Conference pasta::flex

    I hate it when you take your measurement, and you see that
    you lost some size (which is a good thing) everywhere, except
    the calves.  Instead the calves got bigger!  I don't want
    my calves bigger.  They're big enough.  As it is my jeans
    are always tight around the calve.  So much so, I can't wear
    high boots under my jeans.  If I manage to get the boots on
    (after a struggle), wear them for a few hours, then take the
    boots off, I have these lovely lil bruises from where the
    top to the boots where (these are western cowboy boots I'm
    referring to).  I want to wear my boots!   I know, I know,,,
    you can't spot reduce....   urrrrrgggg...

    ..when the cold settles into you sooo badly, that you cannot get that
    workout in that you promised yourself.:(
    
    

    Ooooo, Sue!  That it terrible!  I fractured my tailbone years and years
    ago.  The worst thing was sneezing - you have no idea how much stress
    your body absorbs when you sneeze until you have a broken bone in the
    spine area.  Eeeeeyyyyyoooooooowwwwww!
    Rest, rest, rest until the inflammation dies down.  That's the best you
    can do.  Here's to a speedy recovery!
    
    Sarah

    No funny jokes either Sue? Might hurt that tail bone?:]

    Yeah, it's a real pain in the ass!!  yuk, yuk :-}
    
    Thanks for the sympathy everyone :-)
    
    Sue

    Here's another "Get well"...   from the new kid.
    
    And,  in reply to the sneezing and the pain,  a couple of summers
    ago I had bruised up some ribs pretty badly, actually seperated the
    cartilage between the ribs.  While waiting for a prescription, I
    suddenly got the hiccups...   hic OUCH..   hic OUCH... hic OUCH
         
    My girlfriend and the pharmacist couldn't help but laugh at me.
    
    	helge.
    

    Sue
    
    If no one else volunteers, I will, I can massage those pains away 8^)
    
    I know, I know its a tough job, but someone has to do it ;^)
    
    Brian                                                       

    This is absolutley incredible, but the gym at 4 am is packed!!! of late
    there have been 3 coed teams too.  Its funny today I was doing upright
    rows in front of a mirror and one of the coed teams cut infront of me
    and started checking herself out in front of me.  A tad distracting, not
    to say the least that its kind of rude.  Albeit there was 10 feet
    between the mirror and the stand I was using, but you would think it is
    obvious not to keep doing that while someone is lifting and trying to
    keep good form.
    
    Brian

    :-)  Thanks Brian....but I seem to be having the most trouble 
    putting on undies and pantyhose...it's actually comical to watch!!!
    
    On a serious note...
    I find, now that it's feeling a little better (thanks to the 
    anti-inflammatory) I don't want to get a false sense of security.  
    I don't want to over-due it, because I think it's better than it 
    really is....know what I mean?
    
    Sue

    Sue
    
    anytime you want to take me up on it I'll do it by golly 8^)
    
    Just stay away from seated rows, wowee that killed me.
    
    Brian

    I hate it when you realize that you're doing too much and
    one of the solutions is to quit the gym.
    After 3wks of a hetic workout schedule, my body slammed
    on the brakes.  I'm currently sick (hack-hack), and I 
    know it's from my busy schedule with not enough time to rest. 
    
    I've been enjoying teaching the k-b aerobics classes and
    I don't ever plan to leave my martial arts training.  I
    do however have to cut down on the amount of classes I've
    been teaching.  I teach 5 mornings a week and 1 night.
    Though I've had a couple of weeks that I've taught atleast
    8 classes in one week, then my two nights of martial arts
    on top of that, and lets not forget getting up for the 
    gym and being there at 4:30-4:45a.m. each morning (except Mon).
    
    If I drop going to the gym, then I get an hour extra of
    sleep time and not as much wear and tear on the muscles.
    
    I just wish I could do it all....

    Shannon 
    
    I know what you mean about wishing there was more time in the day for
    the fun stuff, but like all high performance machines, you can't run
    them full bore 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  You really need to give
    them a rest and let them restore or else serious injuries will begin.
    
    Just decide what in your life gives you the greatest joy then let go
    the rest.  I know I often times complicate my life with too many
    things, everytime that happens I have to sit back and uncomplicate  it
    by just focusing on the things that are key to me.
    
    Brian

so, brian:  pursue that which i enjoy, hmmm....  a tropical paradise with 
moutnains and beaches and wrm weather and scotch and tequila and cigars and 
coffee and gooey cheeseburgers and philly cheesesteaks and nekkid bodies and and
and and and...... oh, it hurts! i'm having chest pains folks.....aarghhhh!

reg.

    No no no reg.  You don't really EJNOY all those things. This decadent
    society has programmed your head to BELIEVE those things are enjoyable.
    do not give in to the programming. Think for yourself!
    
    Resistance is NOT futile.  You WILL NOT be assimilated!
    
    This is what you really prefer : crackling cold mornings, a nice long 
    cross-coutry ski, hammering away at the iron in a frosty gym, lots of 
    cool, clear water, a huge fresh fruit salad and grilled vegetables,
    and a relaxing dip in a hot tub at the end of a full day of hard work.
    Ahhh. There. Doesn't that feel  better?
    
    Scotch, cigars, cheeseburgers, BAH! 

    Sarah
    
    Resistence is futile, I am assimilated.
    
    Good single malt scotch, an excellent Ashton Cigar, a good book, a warm
    sunny beach with lots to look at is definitely heaven.  But,
    unfortunately not something to be done on a daily basis, but an
    excellant way to spend a vacation doing when your taking two weeks off
    from the gym for R&R.
    
    The rest of the time, drinking cold water and lots of it, pumping iron 
    eating healthy and watching my kids grow is definitely my typical program.
    
    When I said focus on the things that make life right, I meant it and
    play and time off to really let go an relax are a critical part to good
    balance and health when used in conjunction with a healthy life style..
    
    As Worf would say "Assimilate this" 8^)
    
    Brian

    "Assimilate this"
    One of my very favorite lines!  My 7-year old son happens to be an
    action-adventure-sci-fi-movie junkie like me.  We takes turns yelling
    out lines and identifying the movies. Worf's line is one of our
    favorites.  
    I'm afraid a cigar and an alcoholic drink wouldn't escape his
    scrutiny. I had the AUDACITY to order a Margarita at dinner one night.
    When it was placed in front of me, he 'whispered' (that's a joke - 7
    year olds whisper like an 18-wheeler air horn) "IS THAT ALCOHOL???"
    
    I still think you all are brainwashed.  What could be better than pain,
    right Geo???
    Sarah
    
    

    Ah Sarah 
    
    Yes, I have a 15 year old daughter, a 14 year old son and a 9 year old
    son.  We have long harped on the dangers of smoking and drinking to the
    point now that a glass of wine with diner is guilt laden. 8^).  I
    indulge only when they are not around so you can see its next to never.
    
    We love Star Trek, star wars, you name the sci fi, action movie and odds 
    are I have the video in my collection.  That First Contact was 
    definitely great.
    
    Pain, pain, now Sarah come into my gym and I'll deliver pain.....
    
    Brian

Re: <<< Note 228.557 by HOTLNE::CORMIER >>>

>>                                      My 7-year old son happens to be an
>>    action-adventure-sci-fi-movie junkie like me.

Check out Dante's Peak.  Mediocre plot supporting some excellent special effects
and decent action.

Couldn't tell if Linda Hamilton kept her conditioning after T2; costuming kept
her well covered because Dante's Peak takes place in a cool climate.

                            Roak

    Roak
    
    In an interview with Hamilton she said she had to let herself get soft
    because her role did not call for a ripped heroine
    
    B

okay, okay already! whip me! beat me! make it hurt sooo goooood!  sorry for that
momentary lapse, but yes- hard work and decent dieting is thr 'right' way to go
however i don't like it one bit, i tell ya!

and brian- don't make drinking such a bad thing! and definitely don't feel 
quilty (unless it's a sixpack/bottle a day habit); there has been much 
scientific evidence to support that a drink or 2 a day or so is very beneficial 
for our bodies and longevity.  thes you kids responsible drinking and the 
benefits of it and try not to demonize it.  yes, much has been found that one 
only needs to drink grape juice for the heart disease prevention help, but it's 
the alcohol (rye, hops, barley, etc and the fermentation of such that is 
desireable as well)

so, ihiw i don't feel as sore as i expected after getting my arse back to the 
gym after  a winter layoff.

reg

    reg,
    What evidence has there been in conjunction with those studies that
    show what effect a couple of drinks a day have on the REST of the body?
    If you can get the same benefits with good diet and cardiovascular
    exercise, why put a toxic substance into your body?  The problem I have
    with these studies is they only focus on one aspect.  If you routinely
    drink 2 drinks a day, your heart may be in tip-top shape, but your
    liver may be full of holes. You can get grains and fermentation from
    other foods. Why take the risk?  I'm not saying total abstinence. A
    nice glass of wine, a single malt, etc. - life's little pleasures. But
    treat them as an unusual treat - not a daily constitutional. 
    Off my soapbox.
    Sarah

not knowing exactly how scientific the studies are or whether they monitored 
long term health/body parts effects, but i've read a lot of literature 
discussing the "medicinal value" of an alcoholic beverage consumed regularly.
some good points of interest to note are all the vodka drinking Russian 
centarians and our own country's 'moonshiners' (which may also stem from the 
fact that those people consume large quantities of yogurt or other bacteria 
laden foods).

and not pick a fight, but i really don't believe one's liver will get 
perforatted with wholes, otherwise a whole lot of people would be under medical 
supervision.  the sad thing is, we only hear the few cases that the media wishes
to hype to fit someone's agenda; average those cases in with the population as a
whole that has 1 or 2 drinks every day or 2 and i'll bet the problem would seem
insignifcant (f not non existant).  most people can and do whatever they choose 
to do in life with moderation, the ultra entusiasts go overboard and the 
extremists use those misguided soles to "prove a point".

gotta fly, i need a Pinch.

reg.

    Here's a good one for ya's...
    
    	I just got booted out of the DECFitRoom out here in Kanata cause I
    wasn't using the crappy "buddy" sysstem!!!  Why am I P/O'd?  What do I
    look like a moron?  I've been there for a year and nothing has gone
    wrong!  I had a perfectly good system by doing call-ins with the
    Security desk...whom I work with.  I would gladly get a buddy if I
    found someone who took it even remotely serious.  None of this would
    have happened if a couple of newbies had kept their snitches to
    themselves.  So a couple more people just got put on my $#!+ list!
    
    	They also claimed that my year long membership (that was only 4
    months old when they closed down) was no longer valid because a new
    Fitness instructor took over?!?!  Bite me, my contract was with
    Digital, not the instructor.  
    
    	I do plan on still noting in here because I'll keep working out
    with a friend in my home town...but I thought I should vent a little
    first!
    
    	Jay "Don't Tread on Me" Tysick
    

bummer, but Digital is ultra sticky when it comes to safety; and no one wants to
see anyone starngled from a loaded bar.

keep yer head up; what with all this steam you've worked up, you should be able 
to do wonders for a couple weeks or so! 

reg.

    Best is to start buying your own stuff... But, there is a major
    drawback there..:(
    

    I hate it when
    
    I have to increase my protien intake and try not to use powders (they
    don't agree with my digestion).  That means I have to increase the
    amount of food I am eating and its getting extremely hard to eat as
    much as I have to.  I am getting to the point where I am loosing my
    appetite period.
    
    Brian

    ...when is so dam cold in the spa, I don't want to work out or get run
    down from this phone life that I am constantly cold when I get home.:(
    

rep.                    <<< Note 228.567 by DELNI::OTA >>>

	     Maybe you should listen to your body.  If eating is just about
	making you sick, maybe your body is begging you to back off.  

					Tim

    Tim
    
    You may be right, but if I listened to my body, I sure as heck wouldn't
    make it stiff and sore all the time weightlifting either. 8^)
    
    Brian

	Tim,
		Keep eating, any body builder trying to pack on some serious
size has to go well beyond a maintainance diet. Just eat several smaller meals.
There are a lot of protein powders out there that have come a long way in terms
of digestability. I know I've had problems before, but since I started using
Designer Protein I haven't had any, it's very easy on the gut.

						Rich....

    ...when you think your as young in the head as your not... Sunday was
    my daughters birthday party, took 4 little girls to Happy Times/Good
    Times rollerskaking place in Merrimack NH. Lots of laughts, even when I
    fell on my tush trying to get aquainted with the roller skates! After a
    few mins of gathering my composure, I got up and went, with lots of
    caution back onto the floor and skated with the girls. 
    
    ...so, I hate it when, you think your in great shape, and Monday
    morning, your legs hurt with differnt leg pains that you never new
    existed. Been faithful squating, but,.....")
     

and hear i was thinking new england was experiencing some minor quakes! so that 
what's knocked out our cable for a few hours? the yell of "TIMBER!" wasn't for 
the woodsman competition?

i like skating, not very well, i just fear falling: it's so far to the floor!

reg.

    The dam cd skipped when I hit!! No sh*t!!;-)
    
    Still lost of laughs! Going to go this sunday with Eva and one of her
    buddies.:) Should be interesting to see how I do or don't do.:)
    
    

    Started running again.  I was moving quite well too.  I don't care for
    the fact that it's two days later and moving isn't quite as easy! 
    Looking forward to the next one though!
    
    	Jay

    Get some streaching in and/or get in a good tub of warm water!!! 

  Oh, I love to hear people moan after a hard run. After all, I've done it
  so many times myself.

  Keep up the good work....

	Keith

    I hate it when I can't stop eatting!  Seems I've been eatting
    alot more junk then I care to,,, and larger meals...
    Seems the more aerobic exercise I get, the hungrier I get... :(
    
    Life just isn't fair... 

    Drink water or get a large roll of duck tape!:)
    
    

    Shan
    
    You look terrific, don't worry about eating too much with your workouts
    your burning a lot more than your eating.
    
    Increase your protien if snacking is getting out of hand, your bodies
    telling you something.  Since I increased my protien intake, my
    appetites dropping like a rock.
    
    Brian

ihiw i exit out and come back in and forget which topic i last replied to! 
shannon: lifecycles is sending me a couple of the poster size heart rate charts
to work [free, too!]; i can send one through in house mail or maybe we could 
get together for lunch or something when they come in. open invitation for a 
musclehead lunchfest, folks.

reg.

p.s.

however, this could've went it to the iliw...

    Cool!  
    
    Let me know when they come in Reg,,, I'll gladly take one
    off of your hands.   If you want to meet for lunch, that's
    fine too...  Why not,,,, I've been in food mode lately...  
    Anyone care to join us?....
    
    Geez, I'm feeling so greedy,,, first I take Brians jubilees,
    now a poster from Reg.   Anyone have anything else they want
    to get rid of???   :)
    
    /shannon

you asked for it, you've got! here: 20 lbs of unwanted waist [waste] collected
from all areas of the body.

thankyou, thankyou, thankyou ! you don't know how happy you've made me! someone 
who actaully wanted something that i want to get rid of without posting 
exceptions 1st!

reg.

  I'm glad there's a topic called "I Hate it When" because I've got to blow
  off a little steam. 

  I usually do my workouts at the YMCA early in the morning but I had to 
  switch my schedule temporarily and do a Sunday afternoon workout. 
  After I finished a great workout, I go back to my locker, put in my key,
  open the door and see my billfold halfway out of my pocket. When I look 
  inside, I find the ones are still there but the 20's and 10's are all gone.
  Some creep took me for about 80 or 100 bucks. I guess it's possibly that I 
  didn't securely latch the door but I don't think so. The locks are not 
  that sophisticated and I think someone either picked the lock or had some
  kind of skeleton key. Almost everyone that I've met at the gym are great 
  people but now I've got to change what I do when I go for a workout because
  of some jerk.

  Grrrrrr !

	Keith

    Keith, Does that ever suck!  
    
    You should ask around and see if it's happened to anyone else or better
    yet take it to YMCA management.  See if they can't set up a video camera? 
    Catch'em in the act?  Then you can get beat you $80 to $100 out of the
    thief!  [^;=
    
    	Jay

what a bummer! however, i never carry cash in my wallet, let alone carry a 
wallet [all the time, anyway], if i do carry, it's in my front pocket or a fanny
pack; i learned a long time ago not to carry cash to the gym with me, either.

sorry to hear about the bad news, but sh*t happens, no one can be trusted.

reg.

    Aw, that is just rotten. I avoid all problems like that by locking my
    purse in the trunk of my car. My car has an alarm on it.  It's lousy
    that you have to think of things like how to avoid being ripped off in
    a gym. We'd almost like to think we muscle-heads are above that sort of
    thing : (
    Definitely report it to management. If there's a pattern, the suspect
    will be easier to identify. You can't put a camera in a locker room -
    privacy issue. 
    Sarah

    Shannon,
    I don't think I want to KNOW what 'taking Brian's jubilees' means.
    Shannon and reg,
    I'll gladly go to lunch! Any day except Friday. Anybody else in the
    vicinity?  
    Let's see, let me rummage around and see if there is any cast-off I can
    give to Shannon.  Hmmm, I'll check : )
    Sarah
    

    Sarah
    
    Lets just say that Shan took my cherrys and leave it at that 8^)
    
    About the Y, at the one I go to in Greendale there are huge signs
    everywhere not to keep money in your lockers.  In fact there are small
    lock boxes at the service desk you rent for a 25 cents you can lock
    your wallet in. They must have a serious problem in the Y's then. 
    Sorry about your loss, at least they left your wallet and credit cards
    right?  If thats the case I suspect it must be a kid, any pro would
    have taken all of it.
    
    Brian

    
    I'm up for a lunch with everyone.  anyday is good for me.  Sarah we can
    drive together.
    
    - as for the Cherry's, I don't think I'll touch that one :-)
    
    I just hope the both of you praticed "Safe Chocolate"
    
    Lou

    Not only did I take them,,, but I ate them too!  They were
    quite good...
    
    :)

    Reg,,, this luncheon could turn out to be your lucky day.
    The way it's looking now, it's going to be you, and THREE
    women.  What a lucky guy!
    

  Yep, I reported it to the management on Wed. I was told the manager would
  call me back but I haven't heard from him/her yet. In Colorado Springs,
  there are 2 Y's. One downtown and a newer one on the north east side of
  town. Both have excellent weight rooms. The one downtown is busier and 
  has signs all over that say, don't leave valuables in the lockers. The one
  on the northeast has no signs like that. I've been going there for almost 3
  years without any problems. But I go early in the morning and I've got a 
  feeling that most thieves are still in bed at that time. Maybe that's why
  I never had any problems or heard of any problems until I went in the middle
  of the afternoon on a Sunday.

  Yes, Brian, they didn't take my wallet or credit card. And surprisingly,
  they left the one dollar bills. I think they wanted me to think I hadn't
  been ripped off, at least until I left the Y. That way, I wouldn't know where
  I had been ripped off and thus it would be harder to find the bad guy.

  One thing is for sure, since the creep made some fast money, I'm sure he'll
  be back. I'll take additional precautions from now on.

	Keith

    Keith
    
    I remember reading years ago that someone did this to an older
    gentleman.  He got even by sewing a bunch of fine fishing hooks to
    the inside of his pants pocket.  When the thief reached in got
    themselves all tangeled up and was easy to spot and arrest.
    
    Brian

    I hate it when I am in the last 4 weeks of my quarter cycle before I
    take two weeks off and I have a wicked bad cold.  Man, these last 4
    weeks I generally go crazy trying to break platues and I have the worst
    congested head and chest that I am almost dizzy.  I hate to take
    tomorrow off because its chest day, but man, I am exhausted from this
    cold.  I am also suffering some real bicep pain in my left arm, I can
    tell I need this break coming up.  The good side is that I think I put
    on some quality pounds and can't wait to tape at the end of this
    quarter.
    
    Brian

I have the posters! they sent 2, both for the taking; i just want to copy 
pertinent info for myself.  Now, how do i distribute them?  lunch the rest of 
this week is more than likely bad for me; however, next week should be more 
quiet.

Reg.


                      <<< Note 228.581 by HOTLNE::BURT >>>

ihiw i exit out and come back in and forget which topic i last replied to! 
shannon: lifecycles is sending me a couple of the poster size heart rate charts
to work [free, too!]; i can send one through in house mail or maybe we could 
get together for lunch or something when they come in. open invitation for a 
musclehead lunchfest, folks.

reg.

p.s.

however, this could've went it to the iliw...

    I get sick. I've been so lucky all winter, not a single sniffle or
    cough. Wow, I was doing sooo well. Until a certain 'someone' showed up
    for work last week with a nasty case of the flu, or virus or whatever.
    Now I've got it. And I've got a LOT of things to do, not the least of
    which is the first of a 6-week course of self-defense and Mui Thai
    tomorrow night, and a housefull of people for Easter dinner on Sunday.
    And I was on such a roll; hitting personal bests with weights and 
    cardio equipment, and generally feeling quite invincible. 
    Pride goeth before the fall, apparently...
    Bleh, Sarah

    Whelp... for a guy who got a flu shot last fall. I cought ever dam flu
    that went around! I have been very sick and am sick of being sick!
    Spring where the hell are you!!! 

never had a flu shot and only catch the flu in the summer (go figure), if at 
all; i can't ever remember when/if i've had the flu or it's symptoms during the 
winter/cold months, when the viruses are supposed to be most prevailent.  knock 
on wood.

ihiw: a physical therapist is assigned to me that is 1/3 my size and has the 
strength of a hamster.  thought i was getting some sports injury therapy, but 
like any good hmo that uses the facility best designed for 'its' needs, i am 
stuck with the same old wimpy therapy center that doesn't really know how to 
work with sports related injuries; i'm not saying that the folks aren;t 
knowledgeable in biomechanics and which muscle group does this etc, but it's one
of those review you personal activity history and "my, you really are active; i 
really don't know what to tell that would slow you down". 

it was totally comical for anyone watching as this tiny little person attempted
to strecth, move and manipulate my body; the table was way too high for her and
she put herself into a dangerous situation by using a stool to climb up on and 
attempt to work with me.

i'm a little concerned about the eval as the exercises i was given to do seem to
have made the problem worse; after tomorrow, if it's not feeling any better, i 
am going to call and let off steam.

i don't see why your doctor (of whom mine is intune with me) would continue to 
send me to 'their' pt clinic for sports related injuries instead of bucking up
the referral for a real sports injury therapy center! and i've expressed this
before!

i don't see why the pt clinic would assign someone to a patient without finding
out some other pertinent details FIRST.

as an aside: aren't pt's usually trained medical professionals? why is it so 
nerve racking to check someone out in the underwear vs shorts? especially if i
wore my exercise shorts, which are spandex and much more revealing? [i was told
to bring shorts with me and i really didn't think i needed them in a medical 
building.]

worse off: the pt they want to have check me out next time is FAT! i'm sorry- i 
just truly believe that a physical therapist should be in shape, the epitome of
what it should look like to be fully functioning and capable of keeping your 
body healthy.  the medical industry has become so unprofessional like, it just 
goes to show how much of a couch potatoe nation we've become.

so, yes, i'm sore and i'm angry and getting older by the minute!

reg.

that laast line in below from .1< should say [ i was NOT told to bring....]

sorry for the confusion.


>as an aside: aren't pt's usually trained medical professionals? why is it so 
>nerve racking to check someone out in the underwear vs shorts? especially if i
>wore my exercise shorts, which are spandex and much more revealing? [i was told
>to bring shorts with me and i really didn't think i needed them in a medical 
>building.]

    Reg,  absolutely let them know if you are unsatisfied.
    
    Back in '89 after a knee surgery, I was going to a physical therapist
    which was suggested by my doctor at the time.  While I was inside
    doing lame excercises, she was outside SMOKING!  I kid you not.
    After the second visit, I told her I wouldn't be back.  When she asked
    why, I told her "because I can do better excercises at home and you'll
    have more free time to smoke."
    
    Yeah sure lots of people smoke, but like you said, someone in the
    health field should be healthy, yes?
    
    	helge.

    IF that theripit was one of our HMO folks, yha better make a stink
    about it.!!

    I used to think this way.  However, I've had enough experiences with
    the health professions that I've started to, if not sympathize, at
    least understand the situation better.
    
    There are a lot of jobs in which you wouldn't think twice about how the
    job holder dresses, or what personal habits they have.  I guess the
    stereotypical one that comes to mind would be a sanitation worker. 
    Another I have familiarity with is coal miners.  The stereotype is that
    these are poor, hard-luck types, with little good in their life, and
    smoking, drinking, and reclining in front of the tube are just how they
    cope.
    
    Interestingly enough, these stereotypes are pretty far off the mark. 
    The people you stereotypically thik of as "low class" tend to have very
    high self esteem and a lot of pride and energy, and take pretty good
    care of themselves, if for no other reason than their line of work.
    
    Health care.  Now *thats* a different story.  I've never been in health
    care, but I've worked in a pharmacy (Dad ran the joint).  Funny thing
    about pharmacies - the majority of their clientele are sick!  Isn't
    that odd!  And of course, the same goes for other areas of health care. 
    At least by the time they come in the drug store they are ambulatory,
    rather than laying on a stretcher missing pieces.
    
    Do you know what the suicide rate is in the medicla profession?  Its
    high.  Why?  Because its depressing.  After seeing the walking wounded
    all day long, and every body fluid that never should have been visible,
    you don't tend to go home walking on a cloud because of all the good
    you've done.  Sure, there's some of that, but mostly you are burned out
    knowing you're going to do it again tomorrow.  
    
    Consequently, health care people, including doctors, tend to have very
    bad personal habits, and to not take very good care of themselves (Dad
    smoked right up until Mom died of lung cancer). They get a certain
    amount of status from being in the medical field, but its not as pretty
    as it sounds.
    
    The end result, is that a lot of health care people are technicians.  I
    am convinced that this goes double for doctors.  They practice an art
    day in and day out.  I consider computer programming to be much more
    exiting then lancing boils.  "Duh, gee, I think I'll make this one look
    like a rabbit!".
    
    I understand your frustration.  Boy, do I.  You expect to go to a
    doctor, and like a surrogate mother, expect them to "make it all
    better".  Reality is, they don't have all the answers.  And they have
    most of the same problems.
    
    Do you deserve better care?  Yes!  Can you get it?  Sure, if you are
    willing to work for it.  But I find more and more, that if the answer
    is within my grasp, I'd rather get it myself, than waste someone else's
    time fumbling for and answer that will probably be wrong.
    
    jeb (what got *me* in a mood???? :-)
    

wow, all these ogres in training!

anyway, i work very hard at not 'classing' people except for these that really 
deserve it (murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc); so, when i see somebody i let 
it slide UNTIL i find out what they do for work.  i would say the same of a 5'2"
400 firefighter/policeman- get a different line of work.

i also don;t expect the doc et al to make me better, only i can do that; i 
expect a better patient/doctor pairing when it comes to therapy and i expect to 
be sent to the right therapy center; likewise, i expect to be treated by someone
in their field to really look the part.  the 400 lb lab technician sampling my 
blood i wouldn't expect to be slim and svelte or muscular (fine if they are), 
but the PHYSICAL THERAPIST i EXPECT to be in shape.

reg.

    It is hard to imagine being able to do a PE's job properly without
    being reasonably in shape.  At 5'7", no matter how much I may want to,
    I can't play pro basketball - just won't happen.  There are some jobs
    that have certain requirements that just don't seem to be overcomable
    by sheer will power.
    
    jeb
    

    We get a BEAUTIFUL couple of days off. Nice long weekend. Perfect for
    working outside - yard work, cycling, running, anything you want!
    And I am SICK as a dog!!!  I got some kind of virus, and was so sick
    Friday - Monday. I finally am able to put some food into my stomach 
    today. Bleh! What a waste!  Grumble, mumble about loss of progress,
    loss of muscle mass, no energy, waste of perfectly good weather, etc.
    etc.
    S

    Boy do I hate it when, I get up at 2:40AM drink my protein shake,
    stretch, get in the car drive down to the gym, as I drive I notice no
    cars in front the lights are out, as I pull to the front door, a tiny
    bell rings off in my head, egads the sign on the door says, Gym opens
    Tuesday due to the night guy taking memorial day off........
    
    Driving back home, kicking myself saying now what the hell do I do,
    stretched, filled to the top with protein and a cup of coffee, now what
    does one do at 3:30AM??????
    
    Brian who should know by now to call the gym the day before a holiday
    for the hours.
    
    

    That sucks!
    
    	I would have curled right up their on the welcome mat and waited
    for it to open...24 hours later....not!
    
    	Jay

stretched, full of protein, motivated: what's your wife doing at 3:30 am?  8^)

reg.

    My wife is...
    
    rolling over saying if you wake me up, it better be for a house fire,
    the kids are hurt or you lost a limb and you have it on ice and an
    amubulance is on the way......8^)