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Title:Bodybuilding and Weight Training
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Moderator:PASTA::PIERCE
Created:Tue Jul 14 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1336
Total number of notes:22127

28.0. "Measuring Body Fat" by JON::CALABRIA (John Calabria) Fri Jul 24 1987 12:02

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28.1BEING::MCANULTYFight Crime --- Shoot FirstFri Jul 24 1987 15:2516
28.2fat newsENGINE::MCDONALDFri Jul 24 1987 15:2740
28.3Measure fatUHCLEM::NIKELFri Jul 24 1987 15:2713
28.4more on TingleyENGINE::MCDONALDFri Jul 24 1987 15:329
28.5Another set of numbers...SQM::AITELHelllllllp Mr. Wizard!Fri Jul 24 1987 15:4634
28.6addendumSQM::AITELHelllllllp Mr. Wizard!Fri Jul 24 1987 15:495
28.7Fat, fat, go away....29784::CATHYWed Jul 29 1987 17:0313
28.8The only oil I use is Tropical Tanning Oil.SQM::AITELHelllllllp Mr. Wizard!Thu Jul 30 1987 12:5319
28.9Water tanksRDVAX::STJOHNRDVAX::STJOHNWed Sep 23 1987 12:006
28.10UMASS Medical Center WorcesterCASAD1::JONESVincent Jones - Is this the edge??Wed Sep 23 1987 12:506
28.11Don't worry, there's always another belt hole! :-)NAC::COLELLAWhere are those 3 new men we hired?Wed Sep 23 1987 17:2415
28.12RE .1129881::COYLEThu Sep 24 1987 09:377
28.13Fat accuracyINGRES::CHENEYMon Sep 28 1987 15:5412
28.14Cant count on electrodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JANIS::PITTERWed Sep 30 1987 14:0726
28.15Here's my readings???FROST::REMILLARDremWed Oct 14 1987 16:4142
28.16Low cost dunk!CSCMA::YETMANFor all you do, Disk bug's for youFri Oct 23 1987 10:4634
28.17Update on dunkin.SQM::AITELNO ZUKES!!!!Mon Oct 26 1987 10:5716
28.18Looks good so far...CSCMA::YETMANFor all you do, Disk bug's for youMon Oct 26 1987 20:1412
28.19SOUNDS GOOD!20911::BEYERLINThu May 26 1988 13:5818
28.20Fat TestBAGELS::MATSISMon Aug 29 1988 15:437
28.21first time I'll be testedLEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoFri Sep 02 1988 09:3311
28.22Good Luck!BAGELS::MATSISFri Sep 02 1988 10:4013
28.23resultsLEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoTue Sep 06 1988 09:5120
28.24me too :-)COPA::CABANYAWed Sep 07 1988 13:157
28.25GLDOA::PENFROYPaul Enfroy - Birmingham, M!ch!ganThu Sep 15 1988 12:13120
28.26thanks for your support! :-)COPA::CABANYAThu Sep 15 1988 12:4829
28.27Water Tank Test for Body Fat!AKOV11::BATISTAFri Sep 16 1988 15:3738
28.28List of dates?BAGELS::MATSISFri Sep 16 1988 15:586
28.29Females only?USAVAX::TOMYLJoel R. Tomyl DTN 297-4282Fri Sep 16 1988 16:125
28.30Men can go too!ZILPHA::YETMANWork to become, not to aquireFri Sep 16 1988 17:3812
28.31Six days and counting ...AKOV11::BATISTATue Sep 20 1988 11:229
28.32Get your money in by Sept. 23rd - TOMORROWBPOV04::SKOWRONEKThu Sep 22 1988 12:079
28.33Bummer ...AKOV11::BATISTAMon Sep 26 1988 11:5816
28.34Poor Man's way to check Body FatBMT::CANZONERI1350Thu Oct 06 1988 10:5937
28.35thanks!COPA::CABANYAThu Oct 06 1988 12:5012
28.36...MEDUSA::PARTEECharlie -- no pain, no gainThu Oct 06 1988 13:2211
28.37Computer-Fat11781::HEDEThu Oct 06 1988 13:4518
28.38BMT::CANZONERI1350Thu Oct 06 1988 14:5917
28.39Normal/Average Body Fat ?SNOC01::LINCOLNNo Pain, No Gain...Thu Oct 06 1988 23:5712
28.40SUBURB::TAYLORGGrant Taylor DTN 899 EXT 5023Fri Oct 07 1988 04:317
28.41Another Percentage PointUSAVAX::TOMYLJoel R. Tomyl DTN 297-4282Fri Oct 07 1988 08:165
28.42Great !BAGELS::MATSISFri Oct 07 1988 10:2515
28.43BMT::CANZONERI1350Fri Oct 07 1988 11:0313
28.44- Bodyfat = High RepsSNOC01::LINCOLNNo Pain, No Gain...Sat Oct 08 1988 07:3143
28.45conversion factors pleaseCLARID::HOFSTEEThe other lane moves fasterThu Oct 13 1988 09:597
28.46I'm a 90 Kilogram weakling...NAC::COLELLA240M Heartbeats from the Presidency.Fri Oct 14 1988 10:189
28.47IND::CANZONERI1350Fri Oct 14 1988 17:1515
28.48BODYFAT DUNK SCHEDULED FOR NOV. 21 !BAGELS::MATSISWed Nov 02 1988 14:0616
28.49DUNK IS SET FOR NOV 21 !BAGELS::MATSISThu Nov 03 1988 10:1320
28.502nd testing...resultsLEZAH::BOBBITTAm I buggin ya? Dont mean t'bug yaWed Nov 09 1988 13:3323
28.51GLDOA::PENFROYPaul Enfroy - Birmingham, M!ch!ganWed Nov 09 1988 14:1511
28.52SUBURB::TAYLORGPumping IronWed Nov 09 1988 14:3914
28.53Yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!BAGELS::MATSISThu Nov 10 1988 13:095
28.54Sensible Lady!SNOC01::LINCOLNNo Pain, No Gain...Fri Nov 11 1988 04:037
28.55LEZAH::BOBBITTE tenebris luxFri Nov 11 1988 09:267
28.56ThanksBAGELS::MATSISFri Nov 11 1988 17:5614
28.57HYDROSTATIC WEIGHINGCOMET::PINARSun Nov 20 1988 21:4356
28.58GLDOA::PENFROYPaul Enfroy - Birmingham, M!ch!ganWed Nov 30 1988 19:5722
28.59<Well, the holidays are over now...>LDYBUG::OSSMANTue Jan 24 1989 16:417
28.60I'll check on it tomorrow night...>LDYBUG::GOLDMANAre Noters terminally addicted? ;-)Wed Jan 25 1989 08:236
28.61Another DUNK!ZILPHA::YETMANWork to become, not to aquireThu Mar 09 1989 10:2022
28.62Parallel discussionsLDYBUG::GOLDMANOne day we&#039;ll all understand...Thu Mar 09 1989 11:136
28.63Body Composition ExperienceFUNBOX::RESKERThu Mar 16 1989 15:1648
28.64BAGELS::MATSISThu Mar 16 1989 15:5917
28.65IND::CANZONERI1425Fri Mar 17 1989 09:008
28.66fat loss/muscle gainsTSE::MICHAUDFri Mar 17 1989 13:4511
28.67BAGELS::MATSISFri Mar 17 1989 14:0323
28.68results from 3rd testLEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoWed Apr 05 1989 14:1814
28.69Knew you could do it!BAGELS::MATSISWed Apr 05 1989 15:4311
28.70Good for you!!CSG::SCHOFIELDWed Apr 05 1989 17:145
28.71LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoThu Apr 06 1989 09:3812
28.72Calipers vs. Water DunkBAGELS::MATSISTue May 16 1989 14:3313
28.73CSG002::SCHOFIELDTue May 16 1989 16:228
28.74The various fat testsLDYBUG::GOLDMANthat&#039;s the way I like itSat Jun 24 1989 16:1733
28.754th test (after a year of workouts...)LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoFri Sep 22 1989 13:0914
28.76Do these test measure water retention?RONALD::OUELLETTEFri Sep 22 1989 13:4513
28.77BAGELS::MATSISFri Sep 22 1989 14:453
28.78Adda girl!DASXPS::KIMBALLFri Sep 22 1989 16:512
28.79Source for calipers and info ?DWOVAX::STARKNinja Turtles, all the way downWed May 02 1990 12:5617
28.80LEDDEV::CALABRIAbarber shops are a communist plotThu May 03 1990 09:2210
28.81Hmmm, could be fun ... :^)DWOVAX::STARKNinja Turtles, all the way downThu May 03 1990 10:1916
28.82YowLEDDEV::CALABRIAbarber shops are a communist plotThu May 03 1990 10:268
28.83And one for my fiance...VIRGO::CRUTCHFIELDToo busy to be doing this!Fri May 04 1990 11:177
28.84Loss is *very* inconsistentDWOVAX::STARKNinja Turtles, all the way downFri May 04 1990 12:5117
28.85CECV03::CORTISTue Feb 12 1991 13:1814
28.86Need to get wetESMAIL::CORTISWed Jan 08 1992 14:3512
28.87northeastern is $45SELECT::SHANAHANThu Jan 09 1992 08:112
28.88RANGER::WIMMERThu Jan 09 1992 09:455
28.89the Army uses the tape methodCHIRPA::DENNINGMon Jan 13 1992 16:357
28.90Yes please Don, I'd be interestedRUTILE::KENNEDYKeith Kennedy FT1.0-001Tue Jan 14 1992 03:200
28.91KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Tue Jan 14 1992 10:2412
28.92Women too?ESCROW::ROBERTSWed Jul 08 1992 13:306
28.93SUBWAY::CANZONERISuperNaturalWed Jul 08 1992 14:129
28.94Just above the hip.REPAIR::ATKINSMon Sep 14 1992 03:5515
28.95spot reduction = no can doRUTILE::COXTake the challenge to your heart.Mon Sep 14 1992 06:4021
28.96DKAS::GALLUPEverything is, or it isn&#039;t.Mon Sep 14 1992 14:5117
28.97CAVLRY::BUCKWhy you wanna break my heart?Mon Sep 14 1992 14:582
28.98SCHOOL::BOBBITTbut that coccoon has to go...Tue Sep 15 1992 11:4010
28.99Harvard health in ChelmsfordESCROW::ROBERTSWed Nov 04 1992 12:194
28.100VAXWRK::ELKINSMon Mar 29 1993 15:057
28.101NEED Tank location ASAP!!!HOTLNE::CORMIERTue Oct 11 1994 12:2918
28.102NOVA::FINNERTYlies, damned lies, and the CAPMTue Oct 11 1994 14:429
28.103Dunk tanks, Northeastern and UMASSHOTLNE::CORMIERThu Oct 20 1994 10:0210
28.104howzat?NOVA::FINNERTYlies, damned lies, and the CAPMThu Oct 20 1994 10:4110
28.105Just being a parrot : )HOTLNE::CORMIERThu Oct 20 1994 11:077
28.106RDGE44::ALEUC8Wed Jan 04 1995 11:229
28.107SHRCTR::SCHILTONDoes fuzzy logic tickle?Wed Jun 14 1995 16:135
28.108Body FatPCBUOA::LBASSETTDesignSun Jun 25 1995 20:305
28.109Nice and close..SHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Mon Jun 26 1995 09:014
28.110PCBUOA::LBASSETTDesignTue Jul 11 1995 13:198
28.111SHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Mon Jul 17 1995 16:077
28.112;-)SHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Thu Sep 28 1995 08:4920
28.113HOTLNE::BURTThu Sep 28 1995 08:5612
28.114I trusted ...SHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Thu Sep 28 1995 09:2516
28.115Sarah knows more, let's ask her...SHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Thu Sep 28 1995 09:265
28.116MEOC02::SNYDERNThe Human Forklift ...Thu Sep 28 1995 20:0410
28.117HOTLNE::BURTFri Sep 29 1995 09:114
28.118I think they are all estimatesHOTLNE::CORMIERMon Oct 02 1995 10:1316
28.119HOTLNE::BURTTue Jan 14 1997 10:0416
28.120MM2KFABSIX::R_LUCHT&quot;Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof&quot;Wed Jan 15 1997 20:347
28.121okay, who's hording the magic blue potion?HOTLNE::BURTThu Jan 16 1997 07:565
28.122MKOTS3::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaThu Jan 16 1997 08:504
28.123Formula for tape-measure body fat %HOTLNE::CORMIERTue May 06 1997 17:0622
    I just stumbled onto a tape-measure version of measuring bodyfat.
    
    Men  : -98.42 + 4.15 X Waist - .082 X weight
    
    Women: -76.76 + 4.15 X waist - .082 X weight
    
    
    Take this number, DIVIDE by your weight. That will give you your
    bodyfat percentage.
    
    Waist = inches taken at your navel
    Weight = weight in pounds
    
    I did it, estimating my waist sizie (Oddly enough, I don't have a tape
    measure handy!) and it came out to 19%, which is what I had for a
    caliper test recently.  So, it appears to be as accurate as a caliper
    test.
    
    Give it a try and see if it comes out to what you expected. It could
    just bo a coincidence that it was the same number for me.
    
    Sarah
28.124HOTLNE::BURTrude people ruleWed May 07 1997 09:5339
<                     <<< Note 28.123 by HOTLNE::CORMIER >>>
<                    -< Formula for tape-measure body fat % >-
<
<   I just stumbled onto a tape-measure version of measuring bodyfat.
<    
<    Men  : -98.42 + 4.15 X Waist - .082 X weight
<    
<    Women: -76.76 + 4.15 X waist - .082 X weight
<    
<    
<    Take this number, DIVIDE by your weight. That will give you your
<    bodyfat percentage.
<    
<    Waist = inches taken at your navel
<    Weight = weight in pounds
<    
<    I did it, estimating my waist sizie (Oddly enough, I don't have a tape
<    measure handy!) and it came out to 19%, which is what I had for a
<    caliper test recently.  So, it appears to be as accurate as a caliper
<    test.
<    
<    Give it a try and see if it comes out to what you expected. It could
<    just bo a coincidence that it was the same number for me.
<    
<    Sarah

Sarah,

i'm guessing we're using higher order math 1st?
	Men  : -98.42 + 4.15 X Waist - .082 X weight
would be:
	Men  : (-98.42 + (4.15 X Waist) - (.082 X weight))/weight

is there a multiply by 100 in there at the end to convert to percent? please 
tell me this is so, cause i'm doing a hell-lava better than i thought! 8^)

reg.


28.125Do the multiplication 1st!HOTLNE::CORMIERWed May 07 1997 12:0214
    reg,
    Picky picky picky. EVERYBODY knows you do the multiplication first ; )
    
    Remember, this is about as accurate as a caliper test, so add on about
    2-3%.  And as always, standard disclaimer, your mileage may vary...
    
    So, what is your number? Come on, I stated MY number. Who else tried
    this?  How far off is it?
    
    I know there is always a controversy using the same place for measuring
    men and women (Men tend to gain fat in the waist, women in the hips,
    etc.), but the difference in the -X numbers may offset that. Let me 
    know!
    
28.126Am I in a comfort zone?POLAR::TYSICKPrying Open my Third EyeWed May 07 1997 16:197
    I just did mine and I guess it's OK?
    
    	It says I'm about 17.58% body fat.  I take it that, that is pretty
    well OK?  If someone wishes to do the math with my waist size and
    weight..by all means...waist 31 and weight 180.
    
    	Jay
28.127Seems pretty accurateFABSIX::R_LUCHT&quot;Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof&quot;Wed May 07 1997 21:423
	My last caliper test had me at around 12% body fat, with this test it
calculated to 12.46%, so I would say it's pretty accurate. 6'2", 230 Lbs, 12%
bodyfat, the hard work is paying off. Where's the warm weather?
28.128I don't get itMROA::SULLIVAN_SThu May 08 1997 09:556
    All right, call me stupid if you want, but I don't get it...
    
    Someone feel like showing an example with a waist and weight
    measurement...  oh ya,,, and don't forget to show the answer...
    
    daahh,,,,, thank you
28.129And I don't even work for NASA! [^;=POLAR::TYSICKPrying Open my Third EyeThu May 08 1997 10:0312
    
     -98.42 + 4.15 x (31)waist  -  .082 x (180)weight
    
    	             3179.67    -   14.76
    
    	              3164.91  Divided by 180
    
    			     17.58%
    
    	Okeydokeypokey!
    
    		Jay
28.130MROA::SULLIVAN_SThu May 08 1997 10:4515
    I just did mine,,,  it looks nice,,, I just find it hard to
    believe that my % is 17.83.
    Someone feel like double checking for me...  waist 29, weight 131
    
    This past winter when the health fair was here, they used their
    lil machine and gave me a body fat% of 22%, last March (96) it
    was 19% (calipers).
    
    I guess I just find it had to believe because, my cloths have
    been feeling tighter and my eatting habits haven't been
    the best in the world....  Though maybe my aerobics helping
    keep my bad habits in line.....
    
    /shannon
    
28.131HOTLNE::BURTrude people ruleThu May 08 1997 11:1447
<         <<< Note 28.129 by POLAR::TYSICK "Prying Open my Third Eye" >>>
<                   -< And I don't even work for NASA!  [^;= >-
<
<    
<     -98.42 + 4.15 x (31)waist  -  .082 x (180)weight
<    
<    	             3179.67    -   14.76
<    
<    	              3164.91  Divided by 180
<    
<    			     17.58%
<    
<    	Okeydokeypokey!
<    
<    		Jay


i was wondering how many people wowould do this! someone, please tell me if i'm 
wrong, but i remember math this way:

<     -98.42 + 4.15 x (31)waist  -  .082 x (180)weight
<    
<    	             3179.67    -   14.76
<    
<    	              3164.91  Divided by 180
<    
<    			     17.58%

	-98.42 (that's MINUS FOLKS, change sign key on your calc)
	+ (4.15 x waist, 31)
	- (.082 x weight, 180)

	all equals:	
	
	- 98.42
	+128.65
	- 14.76
	--------
	15.47

	15.47/180=0.0859

	which is why i asked about the times 100: 0.0859 x 100 [conv to %]=8.59

what did i do wrong?????

reg.
28.132All I know is : 3.14 are round. Cake are square.POLAR::TYSICKPrying Open my Third EyeThu May 08 1997 11:556
    I told ya, this is why I don't work for NASA.  [^;=
    
    	Gawd, it just reminded me of High School.  Do we have a
    mathemagician among us, or what?
    
    	Jay
28.133 !!!!!! CHEFS::SIGMA_HHLMr TThu May 08 1997 13:2311
    
    I can only seem to get the version in .129 right if the first number is
    98.42 and not -98.42.
    
    Something must be wrong, surely!
    
    Tony
    
    {:^{
    
    
28.134HOTLNE::BURTrude people ruleThu May 08 1997 13:4912
well, it's like with any good mathematical formulae: there are conversion 
factors [or the more aptly put "fudge factors"] that one must take into account.
the -98.42 has to represent something which is why is must be subtracted from
conversion of waist and weight  to unitless features [4.15 x waist (which is in 
inches) and 0.082 x weight (which is usually in lbs)]; the -98.42 has to unit 
out the final division of weight (in lbs) such that the result is unitless as
answers that eventually end up in percent are generally unitless.

so, either the punction in the equation is wrong, or some of us are 'thinner' 
than we thought.

reg.
28.135PCBUOA::BAYJJim, PortablesThu May 08 1997 15:2412
    Well, mine was <blush> 33%.  At the health fair last October their
    little ultrasonic thingy said 37%.  I'd guess that the 2-3% fudge
    factor needs to be applied, so 35% after a few months of moderate
    exercise would seem to make sense.
    
    The measures I am using are body mass index (BMI), waist-to-hip ratio,
    and now the body fat approximater (and weight, obviously).  I'm due to
    see the doc again next month, so we'll see how his calipers compare to
    the estimator.
    
    jeb