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| 665.1 | | LEDS::LEWIS | | Tue Aug 23 1988 10:21 | 13 |
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If there's any time limit that would rule me out :-) !!!! Seriously
though, it would be fun to be working on the same project that a
bunch of other people were working on. Anybody interested in building
an Electrostreak (besides Charlie and me)? That might be a fun
winter project. This probably wouldn't fall into your contest
category Tom, because there might not be enough interest in breaking
into electrics. Unfortunately I have to pick my projects carefully
because of limited building time, and already had the 'streak on
the list (plus maybe finishing the Cap?).
Bill
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| 665.2 | Winter electric - Maybe? | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Tue Aug 23 1988 10:34 | 22 |
| > If there's any time limit that would rule me out :-) !!!! Seriously
> though, it would be fun to be working on the same project that a
> bunch of other people were working on. Anybody interested in building
> an Electrostreak (besides Charlie and me)? That might be a fun
> winter project. This probably wouldn't fall into your contest
> category Tom, because there might not be enough interest in breaking
> into electrics. Unfortunately I have to pick my projects carefully
> because of limited building time, and already had the 'streak on
> the list (plus maybe finishing the Cap?).
Been thinking of something electric that won't break props to keep up
stick time thru the winter...
Anybody been watching these adds for the GM Precision Products "Thermal Charger"
Looks interesting and has the prop as a pusher on top so you couldn't break
a prop or bend a motor shaft - BUT does it fly?
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.3 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Tue Aug 23 1988 10:56 | 8 |
| Bill, Yes, I can agree that most noter might not want to build
an electric but if the first proposal for a building contest were
adopted the electric could be entered in the "Sport" catagory. If
a fee of say 5.00 were needed to enter the winner of each catagory
could win the pot.
Tom
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| 665.4 | Sounds OK to me... | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Tue Aug 23 1988 18:57 | 23 |
| I'd consider either type of contest and think it'd be fun. I would
prefer the first type of contest (pick your own plane).
However, I'm not too sure I'd want to put money in. After all, how
am _I_ going to compete with an "expert" builder like the Desert
Rodent? (Or does he just bribe all of those scale judges into
saying he builds a good looking plane? :-) (Or should we ban him
from the contest? ;-) ;-)
I see this contest as a way to give me some incentive to get more
building done. I don't necessarily expect to win, although I
realize that there is a (remote) chance that I could.
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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| 665.5 | WELL, I'M FLATTERED, BUT..... | PNO::CASEYA | THE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8) | Tue Aug 23 1988 19:56 | 20 |
| Dan,
At the rate that I have [not] been building lately, I wouldn't
constitute much of a threat. (Hate to admit it but it's true.)
Like you, I'm in desperate need of some motivation to get something
new on the building-board but am having a terrible time deciding
just _what_ I want to do.
Also, like [I think it was] Bill Lewis, I'm such a slow, fussy builder
that I doubt I could complete even an Ugly Stik within any time
constraint as might applied, let alone a nice sporty number or,
certainly, a scale job. So, you can feel free to enter any such
contest as may result with total disregard for the Rodent being
any kinda' factor. (Thanx fer' th' compliment, though!)
|
| | 00 Adios, Al
|_|_| ( >o
| Z__(O_\_ (The Desert Rat)
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| 665.6 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Wed Aug 24 1988 09:02 | 10 |
|
OK, I haven't any issue with not having an entry fee. I was just
trying to develop more of an incentive. In my club we are going
to propose the one design (option #2) contest. We'll be picking
the Balsa USA stix 40. I mean 20.00 for a kit to start from is cheap
money. We will have to use the wood beams and the wing but after
that anything goes. I myself was thinging of building a canard on
a low winger off of cabane struts extending downward.
Tom
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| 665.7 | I'm in!! | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Wed Aug 24 1988 11:29 | 18 |
| OK, count me in as long as there's no entry fee and we either choose
option #1 (or option #2 w/ electric or a .20 sized engine...). I'm
not prepaired (financially or otherwise) to buy any new engines
until next spring or summer.
So, when do we declaire what plane we're going to build and when can
we start?
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
|_____/
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| 665.8 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Wed Aug 24 1988 11:38 | 15 |
|
Dan, If we as a group approve going with option #2 I'd suggest the
Balsa USA stix. I wouldn't see and issue with saying that a noter
had to use either the 30 or 40 sized stix. They are identical except
for their size. That way engines from 20 to 50 sized could be used.
In my club we are proposing such a contest that will be followed
by one day set aside to fly all of the entries. Just to see if what
is built really flies.
I myself am planning on modifying the stix 40 into a stand off early
WW1 reconisence(sp) plane.
Tom
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| 665.9 | | PERFCT::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Wed Aug 24 1988 22:34 | 14 |
| Re:< Note 668.8 by SPKALI::THOMAS >
Sounds like fun. Count me in.
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| 665.10 | I vote for one design... | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Thu Aug 25 1988 09:33 | 40 |
| > 2) The second suggestion in to pick an inexpensive design like
> a Balsa USA stick as the base for the contest. Each noter would
> buy a kit and from it build a plane. You can build it box stock
> of modify it any way you please. You would be required to use in
> your plane the "Fuse sticks and the wing" from the kit. After that
> it's all up to you.
I don't know if I'll be able to join in but I would like to direct the
discussion a little.
How about something like a CUB contest.
There are CUBs available is lots of sizes and colors from lots of vendors.
We could have a prize for the
1. Largest
2. Smallest
3. Fastest
4. Slowest
5. Best finish
6. Worst crash
7. Least fidelity to scale
8. Yellowest (is that a word)
9. Best vertical performance
10. Most gadgets (lights, horn, pilot turns head, waves hand, etc.)
In a pinch you could just have one prize - "Pilots choice" where entrants
cast a vote amongst themselves.
As a side benefit we would all end up with a
1. Scale plane
2. Sport plane
3. Maybe an electric
Al would be allowed to put a Russian star on his vertical stab.
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About timing. Start any time - finish at 1st Spring DEC fun fly even tho
the winner may be via a picture from Arizona.
Any opinions.
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| 665.11 | CUB idea is good one | BZERKR::DUFRESNE | VAXKLR - You make'em, I break'em | Thu Aug 25 1988 10:12 | 4 |
| but..but..but.. I've already built a CUB .. How am going to
participate??
md
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| 665.12 | Flying Cub... | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Thu Aug 25 1988 11:19 | 16 |
| >< Note 668.12 by BZERKR::DUFRESNE "VAXKLR - You make'em, I break'em" >
> -< CUB idea is good one >-
>
> but..but..but.. I've already built a CUB .. How am going to
> participate??
>
> md
You just got a free head start. The challenge for you will be to have
a undamaged CUB by next spring.
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.13 | let juice up the mill | BZERKR::DUFRESNE | VAXKLR - You make'em, I break'em | Thu Aug 25 1988 11:32 | 6 |
| in that case, I think i'll work on getting a pipe for the engine..
you did mention you were giving out prize for the fastest, no ??
md
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| 665.14 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Thu Aug 25 1988 11:33 | 23 |
|
The reasoning for the Balsa USA stix is that;
1)It's cheap
2)Builder can build it stock
3)Or use it to experiment. Case in point mine will be modified
to look like a stand off scale WW1 bird. One fellow in the club
is experimenting and building a canard. Guy never tried to design
anything before but for 20.00 for the basic kit he's game to give
it a try. That the kind of enhancement a contest like this can bring
out.
4)Will fly on anything from a .30 to a .50
5)Isn't beyond anyone's building expertise.
Tom
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| 665.15 | Count me out if it's Cub | UPOVAX::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Fri Aug 26 1988 09:06 | 18 |
| Re:< Note 668.15 by SPKALI::THOMAS >
I'm dead against the Cub idea. I don't like the plane to
begin with. It is a lot more fun to have a kit modification
contest than a scale building contest, and Cub kits are more
expensive. I'm on for the Stick contest, not in if it's a Cub
contest.
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| 665.16 | Only communists don't like Cubs :-) | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Wed Aug 31 1988 11:49 | 67 |
| > I'm dead against the Cub idea. I don't like the plane to
> begin with. It is a lot more fun to have a kit modification
> contest than a scale building contest, and Cub kits are more
> expensive. I'm on for the Stick contest, not in if it's a Cub
> contest.
...
> Anker \_|_/
Gee - guess I hit a sore spot.
Not liking cubs is like not liking motherhood and apple pie.
OK - I don't like sticks! Take that.
I missed going to a lot of scale fly ins this summer because I didn't
have a scale plane. So I made a resolution that the Aeromaster would be
the last sport plane I would build. From now on they will be either
Scale, Glider, or Pattern. I build to slow to have trainer planes that
can't also double duty in some organized functions.
I don't think cubs are expensive by the way - the Sure-Flight kit goes
for about $29.
I've been looking at Cub kits a lot lately since this discussion and it's
amazing how many there are - I would like to publish a list of all the
known cub kits - if indeed we have a cub contest.
In a pinch we could have two contests - sticks and cubs.
I assume that Anker's stick will have a ducted fan in or on it :-)
Silence has fallen on the crowd - lets get some discussion on Tom's proposal.
So as I see it we have a complex decision process.
Here is Tom's original proposal...
==================================================================================1. Do we want a building contest
> I suggested this some time before and got a little response
> but lets see how it does now. How about a building contest across
> the notes file. One of two types.
>
> 1) The first suggestion is to run a normal building contest.
> Each noter decides what he/she wants to build and constructs the
> unit. A photo is submitted to a committee and the winners decided.
> We could have ;Scale,Sport,Novice as categories.
>
> 2) The second suggestion in to pick an inexpensive design like
> a Balsa USA stick as the base for the contest. Each noter would
> buy a kit and from it build a plane. You can build it box stock
> of modify it any way you please. You would be required to use in
> your plane the "Fuse sticks and the wing" from the kit. After that
> it's all up to you.
Lets try to form a consensus:
Would everyone who would be willing to participate in a contest
please state what type they want.
To keep things simple I'd like to see answers like
A. Yes - CUB contest
B. Yes - Stick contest
C. Yes - generic building contest - my plane will be a Northstar
or
D. No - her is my opinion of building contests
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.17 | Here's my thoughts (and vote) | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Wed Aug 31 1988 12:08 | 20 |
| For my opinions, see .4 and .7
If we go w/ option #1, I'll build an Astro Challenger and/or an
MK Blue Angel modified for electric. (This is my preferred chioce.)
If we have a CUB Contest, I'll build the ElectriCUB
If we have a Stik contest, I'll enter my (almost finished) G.P. Big Stik
(Or would buy a specific kit if necessary)
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
|_____/
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| 665.18 | Chicago Cubs | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Wed Aug 31 1988 12:55 | 30 |
| Dan's last reply gave me an idea.
How about a generic contest with bonus points for some of the ideas that
are causing controversy.
For instance suppose the max score was 100 points.
That could include a 5 point bonus for
1. Cubby-ness
2. Originality
3. Quietness
So if you build a Stick that looked a lot like a Cub and it was electric
or had a Davis Diesel Muffler or some elaborate muffler scheme then you
could earn 15 Bonus points.
If Anker builds a ducted fan Stick he would get Originality points but
not quietness and Cubby-ness points.
Along those lines how about 5 bonus points for finishing on schedule.
But I don't know how to handle those who have already started.
Oh well - just an Idea.
Sure looks like Dan's is in no matter what.
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.19 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Wed Aug 31 1988 13:33 | 26 |
|
Kay,
Did you take up Cuba diving since I last saw you? Boy
have you gone off the deep end.
My purpose for this contest was to keep it SIMPLE. So that most
if not all noters would not be intimidated in entering. The
thought was to start with a simple basic kit that was cheap.
Anyone could fit into their budget. If you then so choose to built
it box stock then that's great. If however you wanted to experiment
and try and built the kit into something different or a standoff
scale ship then that was also great. I'd prefer to keep to the initial
formula rather than create a complex contest that most would not
be interested in.
If you so intent on building a scale cub then do so.
If that quest infringes on your participation in this contest then
that's a choise you will have to make.
Tom
I vote for the simple contest that starts with a BALSA USA STIX
30 or 40 kit.
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| 665.20 | Come on guys... | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Wed Aug 31 1988 16:02 | 64 |
| I've just gone back and re-read all of the replies to this note.
Here's what people want to build: (I think I got everyone...)
Bill Lewis Electrostreak
Charlie Watt Electrostreak
Tom T. Stik
Kay Fisher Cub
Anker Anything EXCEPT a Cub
Dan Snow Easy 100 or Stik
Dan Miner (me) Astro Challenger or Electric pattern
I conclude that we can't agree on a kit to build so we should set
this up as Tom's #1 option: we each build what we want to. Tom and
Anker can be as wild as they want to (build a Stik that _TOTALLY_
flies backwards - even the airfoil). Bill, Charlie, and I can build
the electric(s) we want to. Kay can build his Master's qualifier
scale Cub, and Dan Snow can hope that his son doesn't re-kit the
Easy 100 before next spring. :-) :-)
Given that we (maybe?) agree to go with option #1, how do we
determine who wins? Here is a partial list of ideas that have been
suggested:
Largest / Smallest
Fastest / Slowest
Best finish
Worst crash
Best vertical performance
Most gadgets (lights, horn, pilot turns head, waves hand, etc.)
Originality
Quietness
Meets Schedule
Most Impressive
Since we want to keep this open to all "noters", we need the judging
criteria to be based on a picture and/or hard based facts such as
weight, size, wing loading, etc. Since we don't (normally) have
equipment to measure sound level or speed, these things must be
eliminated. I would like to suggest the following criteria to
determine the winner(s):
Most original (Originality)
Largest / Smallest
Lightest / Heaviest
Most Gadgets
Most Innovative
Meets Schedule
(whatever someone else can think of...)
We should avoid criteria that requires the model to be in the
presence of the judges (best vert. performance, worst crash, etc.).
Well, what do y'all think????
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
|_____/
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| 665.21 | Why rules? | MURPHY::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Wed Aug 31 1988 16:42 | 23 |
| Re:< Note 668.21 by RICKS::MINER "Electric = No more glow-glop" >
I suggest we judge with no set criteria. Every judge can
select his/her 1'st, 2'nd and 3'd place. 1'st gets 3 points,
2'nd gets 2 points and 3'd gets 1. You add up all the points and
the winner is the one with most points. Judges can explain WHY
they selected the specific winners and we will be able to figure
out what made certain planes collect a lot of points.
I love competitions without rules - and this seems like
the ultimate - build anything and we won't tell you what you have
to do to win. He who appeals most gets most!
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| 665.22 | Hey Bub - got a cub? | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Wed Aug 31 1988 16:59 | 11 |
| Actually - I didn't necessarily want to build a Cub.
I just thought it might be a central idea that we could
all rally around.
Since I first mentioned it however I have been noticing lots
of Cubs.
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.23 | | LEDS::LEWIS | | Wed Aug 31 1988 21:29 | 7 |
| RE: .21
Dan expressed my feelings pretty well, and I liked Anker's idea
about no rules.
Bill
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| 665.24 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Thu Sep 01 1988 09:20 | 26 |
| OK, So we're going to have a building contest. It appears
that option #1 as Dan has deternimed is the best one to go with.
It also appears that most don't want any complicated (if any)
rules. GREAT. So, I'd like to announce the;
"FIRST ANNUAL NOTERS BUILDING CONTEST"
Anything goes. Build what you like and submit ONE picture
to the contest board (TBD). The only rule is that as of this
date and time the bird must not be completed. In other words
the entry can be in the process of finish or construction and
still be used for this contest. For the car builders this contest
includes you guy's/Girls also.... and any other type of RC model.
Each entrent is on his honor on this one.......
Tom
The only other outstanding issues is what date the photo's have
to be into the contest board and who is on the contest board? I
think three people should comprise the board. I'll donate a gallon
of 12.5% glos fuel to the winner or a 1200 MA battery if the winner
is not glow powered.
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| 665.25 | first one in | BZERKR::DUFRESNE | VAXKLR - You make'em, I break'em | Thu Sep 01 1988 10:58 | 3 |
| FIne by me. COnsider the AQUILLA an entry.
md
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| 665.26 | HELP? | SALEM::COLBY | KEN | Thu Sep 01 1988 15:56 | 10 |
|
Can anyone advise on how to adapt rotor blades to a CUB?
________
/ __|__
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/ __|___|__/ BREAK A BLADE,
Ken
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| 665.27 | Gyro-Cub | CSC32::M_ANTRY | | Thu Sep 01 1988 16:20 | 7 |
| I have seen articles where they took the wing off of plane and istalled
rotor blades in Gyrocopter configuration.
I think you should go for it.
If I remember there were two blades on 1 shaft that counter rotated.
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| 665.28 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Fri Sep 02 1988 09:24 | 11 |
|
All fun'n asside guys a chopper could be an excellent example to
build for the contest. Remember this is a build whatever you like
contest and send in a photo. Simple.
Ken, Good excuse to buy another champion??
Tom
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| 665.29 | Count me in. | OPUS::BUSCH | | Fri Sep 02 1988 10:04 | 12 |
| Sounds like fun. Put me down for a "Prodigy" 2-meter glider (just ordered from
Tower last night).
< I'll donate a gallon of 12.5% glos fuel to the winner or a
< 1200 MA battery if the winner is not glow powered.
How about 1 hour of free thermals if the winner is a sailplane? :^)
/\
^/\/ \/\^
Dave Busch (Come to the mountains)
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| 665.30 | Will this Count? | SALEM::COLBY | KEN | Fri Sep 02 1988 11:52 | 17 |
|
Ref: -2
Tom,
I just ordered a scale fuse to put on one of my choppers. I got
the Twin Star from Paul at Helicopters Unlimited. I bought it used
from him. He said that the paint job isn't the best but there are
no cracks or damage, so I am getting as good a deal as if I were
to buy a new one, and I am getting it for $125. I will be doing
a paint job, etc on it over the winter, but I will probably just
fly it as is until then.
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/ __|___|__/ BREAK A BLADE,
Ken
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| 665.31 | B17? | PERFCT::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Fri Sep 02 1988 16:46 | 18 |
| Re:< Note 668.0 by SPKALI::THOMAS >
Since there are no rules, I guess I don't have to tell
you what my entry will be, but I am seriously depating with
myself whether a Royal B17 won't be right. A bit more ambitions
than a Stik, but that's what I would like to spend rainy winter
weekends doing - cold ones are spent flying.
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| 665.32 | More than one entry allowed?? | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Fri Sep 02 1988 17:44 | 34 |
| RE: Panel of Judges. I will also rally behind Anker's proposal for
no rules. I would like to add that I think the panel of judges
should not be a select few, but rather _ALL_ people that enter the
contest. Photos would be mailed to one person initially by some
specific date. This would be the deadline date. Late photos lose.
Then, the whole set of photos would be mailed to everyone submitting
a photo and each person could pick their top 5 choices (in order:
favorite = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points, etc.) and the one with the most
points wins. Howzat??
Is it legal to build and enter more than one plane? If it is, I
plan on the following:
G.P. Big Stik 20 (started but not finished yet)
Astro Challenger electric sailplane
MK Blue Angel electric pattern plane
Aristocrat HLG (maybe)
(maybe a 2 meter glider)
(maybe a .40 sized "serious" pattern plane - specifics undetermined)
If each person is allowed only one entry, I'll go with the .... Hmmm
I'll have to think about this... Either the Astro Challenger or the
MK Blue Angel...
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
|_____/
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| 665.33 | something scale | RICKS::KLADD | | Fri Sep 02 1988 18:09 | 13 |
| i agree with i think it was bill who said "my building time is
precious". so many to build, so little time. given that i wasnt
psyched to have to build a swizzlestik or whatever. now that it
appears i can enter whatever i build, i'll join the contest!
no rules, even better.
i'm not sure what it will be, but it will be scale.
anker, a b17? you crazyman. course theres always been a soft
spot in my heart for the p38.
kevin
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| 665.34 | Another Astro Challenger | IGUANO::WALTER | | Fri Sep 02 1988 23:59 | 14 |
| I think no rules is a good idea. Face it, everytime we set up elaborate
rules, we ignore them anyway. Like, after all the events that were cooked
up for the fly-in Thursday, everyone just flew the planes.
I've got a Kadet Mk II half built, but that will be my beater plane, in
no shape for a contest. So my next preference is an electric glider,
especially after the miserable time I had at the fly-in trying to use
a high start in tall grass and thorn bushes. Since Dan Miner already
seems to be leaning towards the Astro Challenger, I'll go for that too.
Maybe I could compare build notes with him.
Dave Walter
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| 665.35 | sure, sure | LEDS::HUGHES | Dave Hughes (LEDS::HUGHES) NKS-1/E3 291-7214 | Tue Sep 06 1988 10:00 | 11 |
| re: .33
If Dan actually completes ALL those planes I say he wins the
prize by sheer volume. And the prize should be a gallon of
Castor lubricated fuel.
Dan, since you've go so much time on your hands, I plan to be
finishing my basement this fall/winter (one of last winter's
projects that never got started) how about lending a hand?
Dave Hughes
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| 665.36 | Well, at least 3 of them... | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Tue Sep 06 1988 12:58 | 28 |
| Dave,
You will note that I carefully placed a "maybe" in the last 3. :-)
The first 3 _WILL_ get finished by next spring (let's say 1-May-89).
Sorry, but I can't help you out with your basement - I'll be too
busy building planes. :-) :-)
> Is it legal to build and enter more than one plane? If it is, I
> plan on the following:
> G.P. Big Stik 20 (started but not finished yet)
> Astro Challenger electric sailplane
> MK Blue Angel electric pattern plane
> Aristocrat HLG (maybe)
> (maybe a 2 meter glider)
> (maybe a .40 sized "serious" pattern plane - specifics undetermined)
_____
| \
| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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| 665.37 | What is the complete date?? | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Tue Sep 06 1988 13:02 | 6 |
| By the way, what is the official date that the planes have to be
completed by?
Gotta' get that schedule chart going... :-)
- Dan Miner
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| 665.38 | Wristo-crap | LEDS::COHEN | | Tue Sep 06 1988 13:47 | 14 |
| >> Aristocrat HLG (maybe)
FYI, its really called a "Wristo-crat" and is made by TopFlight.
This is the red glider that did a "Face Plant" in the middle of
the flying field at last Thursdays funfly. Personally, I would
not recommend this plane. I did not like the construction of the
wing, the fuse is quite small (in fact, if I hadn't used the Tower
micro flight system, the radio would not have fit, the Futaba mini
flight system would be too large), and the internal linkage for
the flying stab gave me fits (this is also the reason it would not
fly on thursday, insufficient elevator throw, and no way to really
adjust it).
Randy (8^D)
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| 665.39 | | OPUS::BUSCH | | Wed Sep 07 1988 10:05 | 7 |
| What will be the criteria for judging? Looks? Ingenuity? Kit-bashing (to borrow
a phrase from the railroad modelers)?
/\
^/\/ \/\^
Dave
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| 665.40 | I'll give it a try....where are the details? | AKOV11::CAVANAGH | We don't need no stinkin badges! | Fri Sep 16 1988 14:23 | 7 |
| I think I might give this a try. I am going to order the Goldberg anniv.
addition Cub. I figure this will be a good 2nd plane for me and I really
liked the Cub that was at the last fun fly (Who owned that one anyhow?)
I am going to stick an OS .40FP in it and build the full size wing.
Jim
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| 665.41 | The Cub has been ordered...wheres the contest?? | AKOV11::CAVANAGH | We don't need no stinkin badges! | Mon Sep 19 1988 10:32 | 16 |
|
> I think I might give this a try. I am going to order the Goldberg anniv.
>addition Cub. I figure this will be a good 2nd plane for me and I really
>liked the Cub that was at the last fun fly (Who owned that one anyhow?)
> I am going to stick an OS .40FP in it and build the full size wing.
Contest or no contest, I ordered the Cub last night from Omni. I almost
went with a 1/4 scale Cub but decided I couldn't store or transport a 9 foot
wing! The 6 1/2 foot wing of the Goldberg Cub fits just right in my car
(a Lynx...same as an Escort). I know this is true because my Kadet Sr. has
a 6 1/2 foot wing span also.
Jim (who obviously likes the larger planes :-)
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| 665.42 | | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Tue Sep 20 1988 10:59 | 20 |
| Some comments on the last few replies......
I don't think it would be fare if some individuals were to enter
more than ONE plane. So I'd suggest that you build your heart out
and then submit a picture of the one you think is the best.
I don't think that everyone who enters a model should vote.
Purely from the logistical standpoint. It would take forever to
get the pictures to all of the entrants. I thin we would be better
served by a panel of three.
I also have not seen anyone respond with a suggested date for all
entries to be submitted.
Maybe this wasn't such a good idea?
Tom
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| 665.43 | Complete date: 1-May-1989 | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Tue Sep 20 1988 11:10 | 20 |
| RE: < Note 668.43 by SPKALI::THOMAS >
> I also have not seen anyone respond with a suggested date for all
> entries to be submitted.
OK. I will state (propose) that the complete date shall be:
1-May-1989
How's that?
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
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|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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| 665.44 | let me stir the pot... | HPSRAD::AJAI | | Tue Sep 20 1988 15:03 | 14 |
| Something that occurred to me - Using a photo to judge a model might
seem like a fine idea on the surface, but you are introducing another
variable. Given a model X, you can take pictures which make it look
really good, OK or even mediocre. A photographer has control over
what he wants to show/not show the viewer - which is not the same
as eyeballing the model yourself.
Soooo, if you build a great model, but your picture is lousy, and
get "bumped out" in the "contest", is there justice? And how about
vice-versa?
ajai
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| 665.45 | Too many fingers... | SPKALI::THOMAS | | Tue Sep 20 1988 15:12 | 20 |
|
I'm SICK OF THE F***** NOTE.
THANK'S A LOT, You guy's have beat this to death. SHIT you
would think something was at stake. All I was suggestion was
a SIMPLE contest for the sake of participation.
F*** It, I'll not participate or have anything further to
do with this note or idea.
ONCE AGAIN.......... THANK"S A LOT.
FORGET IT, I WILL DELETE THE BASE NOTE.
Tom
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| 665.46 | Just when building season was about to start... | K::FISHER | There's a whale in the groove! | Tue Sep 20 1988 15:30 | 10 |
| >< Note 668.46 by SPKALI::THOMAS >
> -< Too many fingers... >-
Does this mean that I have to take back the $19.66 worth of Balsa that
I just purchased today for the Berliner-Joyce?
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 665.47 | What we need is a good dictator! | MDSUPT::EATON | Dan Eaton | Tue Sep 20 1988 15:56 | 27 |
| Shucks! I kinda liked the idea. However, it became real apparent
that you can't put together a contest like this via committee. You
need a dictator. Some one who would say:
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The contest ends May 1, 1988. Anything not finished now is eliagible
for entry.
All entries must fly. To be judged you need to submit at least two
photos of the aircraft and a statement by at least two witnesses
that they saw it fly.
Judging will be done by me and him on an impartial basis. We do
however, accept bribes from people who can't even stand to lose
'fun' type events.
You must enjoy yourself and not take the contest too seriously.
If you can't heed this last rule then we invite you to take your
aircraft else where. Perhaps the AMA Nats would be better suited
to you.
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That's my idea. Any dictators out there willing to take up the banner? 8^)
Dan Eaton
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| 665.48 | Oh! Oh! | HPSRAD::AJAI | | Tue Sep 20 1988 16:11 | 13 |
| ... and I thought I was being helpful!
Hmmm! I just wanted to pointed out that we should judge the model
and not the photo, but so long as we don't mind mixing the two,
then that's fine, too!
All this has nothing to do with the idea of everyone building a
plane (individual's choice) for the contest, which is a real swell
idea.
ajai
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| 665.49 | Nix the Contest - Let's Do it for FUN | LEDS::WATT | | Tue Sep 20 1988 16:18 | 10 |
| I've just been sitting back reading this silly note. I've never
seen two or three people agree on anything when there is more than
one option. I've got a good idea - everybody build whatever they
want and do with it whatever they want and SCREW the contest. Let's
just make up a photo album of pictures of everyone's projects just
for the FUN of it and the prize will be that it gets circulated
among all of the people who participate. I personally plan to build
an Electrostreek and to finish building my Super Sportster 90.
By the way, what was it that pushed Tom T's hot button?????
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| 665.50 | You can't please everyone........ | AKOV11::CAVANAGH | We don't need no stinkin badges! | Wed Sep 21 1988 10:45 | 28 |
| Re:
> I've just been sitting back reading this silly note. I've never
> seen two or three people agree on anything when there is more than
> one option.
I have to disagree with statement! :-)
Actually, I think a contest is going to be even harder to organize than
the DECRCM club. Ajai had a good point about photos, and it is not possible
to get everyone who might participate together for judging. So I would like
to expand on Charlies idea (just a little) and suggest we hold a fun fly
in the spring that is for new airplanes only. That way a lot of us get to
see the new planes and it still gives incentive to complete the project by
a specific date.
Jim
P.S. Tom - the base note was a great idea, but now you know how the
'Snow-man' felt while trying to organize DECRCM. Everyone
has great ideas (in their own opinion) to add to yours.
I think a true contest would have to be a 'local chapter'
type of thing to really work. I apologize if any of my
entries upset you.
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| 665.51 | I'm in. | RICKS::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Wed Sep 21 1988 15:17 | 14 |
| RE: < Note 668.52 by CSTEAM::HENDERSON "Mode-1 for Ever" >
I'm still in. Count me in for a judge volunteer also.
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| \
| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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