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    A good catalog to have around is the SIG Model Builders Wish Book.
    The 1987 edition is available. I don't usually order anything direct
    from SIG but the catalog is a good reference of whats available.
    It can be had by sending $3.00 to:
    
    SIG Manufacturing Company, Inc.
    401 South Front St.
    Montezuma, Iowa 50171
    
    Phone    515-623-5154
             800-247-5008 (Orders only)
    
    P.S. Don't bother to call and try to get the catalog for free.
         (At least they would not send me a freebie) 
         
                                                    

	I ordered a servo once from Circus and got excellent service.
    Most of the mail order business I do has been with Eberle's. They
    do an outstanding job and their prices are right.
    
    Dan Eaton

    I have a Schluter Champion, and I usually order direct from Minature
    Aircraft, in Florida.  I have had good results from them.
    
    Ken

Ok you guy's up in Yankee land, you have an easy life getting RC gear and pay
peanuts for it. How about this as an idea for a notes subject to help us less
fortunate being's in Ozie land and maybe even the Poms (Hi Bob) over the pond. 

We hear many war stories of poor service from Mail Order Houses. You guy's
having greater access, and I assume more experience in using such
establishments give us the benefit of your knowledge and tell us the good (and
the bad), and some idea of the specialist houses for unusual items that may be
don't advertise widely. Remember we don't have the advantage of Toll free 800
numbers to shop around. 

To start things off can anybody give me a name, address, phone number and hours
of business of a mail order house that keeps the more specialized performance
accessories such as Fox aluminum spinners, Pico pipes and Carbon props. We have
trouble getting a reliable supplier in Oz for such items. I make my own Props
at this stage but it is time consuming and I would rather buy them if I can
find a good prop at a realistic price. 

John.

    John,
    
    I've had excellent luck/service from Tower Hobbies.  I'd be surprised
    if you could come up with many (if any) items they don't stock,
    e.g. kits, radios, engines, hardware, props, accessories, glues,
    paints, even pins, rubberbands, etc., etc. ad infinitum.
    
    Their mailing address is:  Tower Hobbies
    			       P.O. Box 778
    			       Champaign,
    			       Illinois   61820
    
    You said you couldn't use a toll-free 800 number but they list a
    "non" toll-free number which might be of use:  217-398-3636.
    
    Order one of their biiiig yearly catalogs and look through it...I
    think it's just what yer' lookin' fer'.
    
    Adios,	Al

Firstly, I have to agree about Tower; in all my dealings with
them, they have been 100% professional.  I don't like their
service charge of $5, sometimes when you balance the service
charges, other companies come out a few bucks ahead.  But Tower
does have the stuff, in stock all the time, at the advertised
price, no foolin'.

The best alternative to Tower, in my opinion, is Mutchler's;
sorry, I don't have the address handy.  They didn't have the K&B
.20 in stock when I tried to order it from them, despite an
advertisement for it at a special price.

I might add that I usually buy 1 or 2 specific items at a time,
seldom big ticket stuff, so the service charge is a factor.  I
don't think it would mean much if you bought $100 at a crack. 

Tammie's Hobbies in Oregon actually backed off on their
advertised price for the .20.  When I pointed out that the engine
was advertised in the current RCM, and was ordering within the
dateline stated in the ad, the engine was suddenly out of stock.
I wound up paying the extra and buying it from Tower -- again,
because they didn't play games.  

ACE, of course, is always excellent to deal with.

I don't know of any RC type specialty houses, outside of the
usual plans services, or people who sell one or two items in
their product line; cottage industries.

I do know of a few specialty houses for free flight, rubber, and
indoor.  Anyone interested in these places can contact me
offline. 

    John,
    Here are a few Specialty Houses for Performance.
    
    Performance Specialties
    P.O. Box 4003
    Carlsbad, Ca. 92008       Engines, Planes, Racing Stuff
    619-729-1658
    
    Lee Custom Engines
    7215 Foothill Blvd
    Tujunga, Ca  91042        K+B Rework
    918-352-3766
    
    Pegaus Eletronics
    14805 W. 149th Terrace
    Olathe, Ks  66062         Good Tach's  $ 120.00 
    
    John Hancock
    P.O. Box 2694
    Abilene, Tx.  79604       FAI + F1 engines, Nelson Heads
    915-677-8568
    
    Superior Racing Products
    P.O. Box 121
    Escondido, Ca  92025
    619-743-5458              F1 Kits, Motor Mounts
    
    Hope this can add to your list,
    
    
    Bob 
    

    Here are some more John,
    
    TruTurn
    ROMCO Mfg., Inc.
    P.O. Box 836
    South Houston, Tx 77587     Great, Light, True and Cheap $ 12.00
    713-943-1867
    
    Kustom Kraftsmanship
    P.O. Box 2699
    Laguna Hills, Ca 92654      Large Selection of Rev-Up Props
    714-830-5162                Custom K+B Engines, Glo-Bee, Racing
                                Wheels, Carbon Fiber, Klotz Oil,
                                Latex + Silicone Fuel Tubing, Etc.
    
    I don't have an answer on what happened to the airplanes. I'm
    going flying with Bruce Richmond this weekend and I'll ask
    him. I think they have been selling the engines. Seems like
    he told me some ended up Down Under.
    
    Why no more FAI. I think it's money and time. Someday there will
    be an overall change do to noise. F1 takes a lot of time and money.
    Fuel is $ 25 to $30 a gallon. Engines don't last long at 65% to
    70% Nitro, etc. A lot of us are into Quarter Midget and Q500 too.
    Add em up and there just isn't the time or money left.
    
    However I do plan to try FAI at this years nats. I'll probably convert
    an old F1 and use a stock engine. I'd rather go slow rather than
    sit around and watch.
    
    Hope you do well at your NATS,
    
    Bob
    

  Well my first try at answering the last memo crashed and burned...


  I just made my first order fro Hobby Lobby last week.  It was a small
order that consisted of 2 universal joints for my boat.  My order arrived
in 3 days but one of the universals is on back-order.  So the speed in
getting the shipment was good, but their supply is questionable.
  
  Jim

>< Note 373.17 by SMEGIT::RYDER "Al Ryder, aquatic sanitary engineer" >
>                    -< timing a Tower order --- a question >-

>    Question: when does the new sales catalog arrive?  Just before the old
>    one expires or just after?  Or much later? 

My copy always arrives a week or two after the beginning of the new phone
sales.  I always figure I'll just badger them about the late arrival
on the phone and they will honor a late phone special.  So far I haven't
seen anything expire that I just had to have.  I have however ordered items
that were not on the phone special and got the phone special price.

During Xmas I suspect they ignored expiration times because so many folks
were having a hard time getting their phone calls thru in prime time.

Al - Are you the Al Ryder from Power and Packaging?

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I have occasionally found prices listed in the monthly magazine advertisements
which are not duplicated in any of the above (yearly catalog, monthly flyers,
or tower talk specials, etc.) - significant reductions from the annual catalog
prices....

Dave

        Hobby Woods has indeed undergone a transition as a result of
        the death of its owner. The materials, prices, and hopefully
        service remain. The new location is 2931 Larkin, Clovis CA
        93612  (209)292-WOOD.
        		9663

    I called after you gave me the number...  They are happily replacing
    the 2 pieces of horizontal stab that were in really bad shape. 
    The guy in customer service was just upset that they would not be
    able to send one out for 10 days or so, when the next production
    run of the Bristol M-1 is scheduled.  At the rate that I build,
    I told him that would be no problem.
    
    Although the kit directions leave a lot to be desired, I am happy
    with Balsa-USA's service.
    
    cheers,
    jeff
    

        Re: .2
        
        Wrong area code! 900- is for phone sex and the like, not balsa.
        The correct information number for Balsa USA is 1-906-863-6421,
        weekdays from 8:00-4:30 Central time. Orders at 1-800-BALSA-US
        daily till 9, 10-6 Saturday, and Noon-4 Sunday. I'm still in need
        of their full catalog if anyone can copy one for me. Thanx.

	
	The July issue of RCM has an ad for a new mail order house.

			OmniModels
			P.O. Box 3397
			Bloomington Il   61702-3397

	This is interesting for a couple of reasons.  The owner is the
	former marketing director for Tower Hobbies, Dave Redden. The 
	ad gives a list of promises to the customer, all of which are
	aimed at the common complaints about Tower. 

	1) Toll free numbers for everything.  800-535-6664

	2) Lower shipping charges. $2.00 for orders up to $75.00, no charge
	   for orders over $75.00

	3) One price per product. No special discounts that have different
	   stock numbers.


	It will be interesting to see if they can live up to these promises
	and if they will give Tower any real competition.

	Jim

    I _still_ contend that Tower's just not that bad and that other
    mail-order houses have similar and worse problems/service.
    
    Case in point:  At the Colorado Springs Masters Qualifier, I was
    fortunate enough to win a $75 gift-certificate from Doug's Hobby
    Shop in Waldorf Maryland who advertise a mail-order service
    appproximately quarterly in several of the larger magazines.  I
    sent an order in for a deluxe Sullivan starter, a Top-Flite Monokote
    heat-gun (to use for applying Super Coverite and, if I lose my head,
    film coverings too) and  Spring-Air retract hand-pump with built-in
    pressure guage.
    
    The order arrived in about 2-weeks (compared to 4-5 days with Tower)
    but the hand-pump had been back-ordered, even though the girl who
    took the order had told me the item _was_ in stock.  Then, upon
    determining polarity of the power cord prior to installing connectors
    on the new starter, I found, to my disappointement, that the switch
    was screwed up; the starter was _ON_ all the time...no way to shut
    it off!
    
    Upon calling Doug's with this news, they tried to persuade me to
    send the starter back to Sullivan, at which suggestion I balked
    and put the responsibility on _them_ to replace the defective
    merchandise and deal with Sullivan themselves, just like a local
    hobby shop would do.  This they grudgingly agreed to do.
    
    Inquiring into the status of the back-ordered hand-pump, I found
    that they hadn't the foggiest notion when they'd be able to ship
    this item.  Plus, _I_ had to remind them what my balance/credit
    was when the item _was_ finally in stock.
    
    Hey, Tower may not be perfect...I'm certainly not trying to say
    they are.  But, in terms of service and efficiency, they definitely
    appear more professional than many of the other such outfits.
    
    As far as multiple prices, this is how they rate/track sales during
    various periods of the year.  You'll notice that stock numbers change
    with _every_ issue of the Tower-Talk catalog so that sales for that
    period can be tracked...not an unusual practice at all.  Plus, while
    I've read statements to the contrary herein, when I've called in
    an order, I've had them tell me, "Oh yes, that item's on special this
    month" and give me the lowest current price.  Of course, once a
    special has expired, you can no longer get an item for that price
    but what's so strange about that?  I know of no commercial/retail
    stores that will honor a sale price after an advertised expiration
    date...none that desire to stay in business, at least.

      |
      | |      00	 Adios,      Al
    |_|_|      ( >o
      |    Z__(O_\_	(The Desert Rat)

I know we have a topic about mail order houses in general, but
I'm here so here goes:  I ordered my Fox .36 from America's Hobby
Center.  Normally I'd order from Tower, if for no other reason
than they send me a great catalog and flyers.  But America's
offered a $38 price on the Fox, much lower than anyone else.

Anyway, the order was processed quickly, and I received my engine
in about a week.  They also sent along a newspaper-like catalog
for airplanes, and one for (ugh) trains, which I passed on to Dan
Eaton.  America's does not accept plastic, a major inconvenience
in my opinion.  My Fox was shipped COD, which brought the total
S&H charge to $5.50; $3 for America's, and $2.50 for the Postal
Service. 

While I got a good deal on the Fox, I must add that America's
prices in general are higher than Tower, probably due more to
volume than anything else.  This will be a major factor in this
new house staying in business.

Just received my first (and not my last) order from Hobby Horn.

Got a prop adapter faster and cheaper than Tower or Sheldon's.

Faster because both Tower and Sheldon's had them on back order.

Cheaper because they only charge a couple of bucks shipping
on small orders.

Their catalog is pretty good - not as large as Tower or Sheldon's
but contains several major vendors like ACE, Astro...

For their latest catalogue send $2.00 to
 
       Hobby Horn
       P.O. Box 2212
       Westminster, CA 92684
       
       phone is (714)893-8311

They advertise in most magazines and if you call and order
anything you get the catalogue free.


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    Dynaflight Models
    
    P.O. Box 1011
    San Marcos, CA 92069
    
    (619) 744-9605




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    I took Mark Antrys advice and got a free catalog from Alexander
    Aeroplane, 1-800-831-2949.
    They cater to the full scale homebuilt market, but a lot of the
    stuff can be used in models. Good prices on epoxy, foam, wood,etc.
    
    

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Article         4017
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re:  Fox Engines Info/Inexpensive Motors
Date: 27 Feb 91 08:49:25 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Research Labs; East Chicago, IN
 
If you are concerned about the high cost of the better quality 
motors, you can shop around for better prices.  I have found 
that AAA Model Supply (Kingsport TN, phone 1-800-735-0252) 
consistently has the lowest prices of the mail order hobby 
companies for the quality engines.  You can purchase an 
OS 46 FS-ABC for $122 or an Enya 45 CXTV for $112 or a YS 
Futaba 45 for $117 or a Super Tigre 45 for about $100.  The 
Enya SS(Super Sport) series of engines are very reasonably 
priced ($60-80), but I don't know how good they really are.  I 
know I didn't answer your question about Fox motors; I'll 
leave that up to the Fox fanatics.

    I didn't realize that RC modelers would be interested in kite supplies,
    but they are, so here are two kite suppliers:
    
    Into the Wind
    1408 Pearl Street
    Boulder, CO 80302
    303-449-5356
    
    Into the Wind has good service and they take credit cards. They offer a
    good selection of fiberglass and graphite tubes in different sizes.
    Their prices are okay.
    
    High Fly Kite Co.
    30 West End Avenue
    Haddonfield, NJ 08033
    609-429-6260
    
    High Fly is run out of Fran Gramkowsky's home, so call in the evenings
    during the weekday. I don't think he takes plastic.
    
    Both of these firms have catalogs that are free for the asking. They
    both offer pretty good service.
    
    	Marty Sasaki

I recently sent a SASE to CS Flight Systems in Middleboro, MA. asking
for a copy of their catalogue.  I have seen several references to this
outfit in the electric columns of the magazines - all saying favorable
things.

After a week my envelope came back with a scribbled reply that their
catalogue is $4.00.

OK - I'm easy - I sent them $4.00 (plus I'm now on my 3rd stamp).

The other day the "catalogue arrived".
It is about 35 pages of 8.5x11 paper of various colors stapled
together.  The first 8 pages give their prices and sale stuff
and list how many wonderful products they carry.  Then the rest
is a Zerox copy of the actual vendors (ACE, Astro, etc. stuff) to
which you are to apply the correct discount to figure the actual 
price.

OK - hokey - but I can live with that.  So I looked up the only
electric thing I have a memorized price for.  The Astro-Flight
mini-challenger is sold by Tower, Hobby USA, and just about
everybody in the world for $99.99.

CS Flight Systems has this on their sale sheet for only



$110.95

Their front page says in big print "WE ARE WORKING AT BEING
THE #1 SUPPLIER FOR ELECTRIC FLIGHT".

Their return policy stated on the last page is "ALL RETURNS must
be approved by phone.  ALL SALES are final on electric items."

Now let's see - if I order the mini-challenger from them I can
use VISA because it is over the $10.00 min order so that's OK
so $110.95 + $7.00 shipping = 117.95 + I still get to pay Mass state
sales tax on the base price = $123.50.

No mention of getting my $4.00 back on the first order either.

The owner is Charley Sylvia so as they say in the Tuna commercials -

SORRY CHARLEY!

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    Northeast Sailplane Products          802-658-9482
    16 Kirby Lane
    Williston, Vermont  05495  (just north of Burlington)
    
    Sal DeFrancesco    and    Stan Eames, owners
    
    They take plastic.     I like doing business with them.
    
    The catalog is wonderful!          No complaints from me whatsoever.

    Jim, your note on this supplier (Northeast Sailplane Products looked
    interesting.  I therefore, called them and asked them to send me a
    catalogue.  They ststed that their catalogue was $5.00 and was not
    refundable with the first order.
    
    Question:  is this catalogue worth $5.00 to review if one is not sure
    they will order from them????
    
    RSVP
    
    Regards,
    
    Ollie

	If you like sailplanes, I think the Northeast Sailplanes catalog is
	well worth $5. The descriptions of the planes are much more complete
	than you find in most catalogs, and there are various articles 
	scattered amoung the reviews that are quite interesting to read. (You
	have to read the "trip report" on their last pilgrimage to Cape Cod
	to do slope soaring... it's a riot!). 

	Dave

    Yeah, I agree with Dave. It's worth it. If you end up going to a New
    England glider contest (Simsbury this sunday or Biddeford ME on the
    16th) and they're there, they sell them for $3 since there's no
    shipping involved. If you've read the Old Buzzard's soaring book and
    liked it, you'll like the catalog. Similar style and lots of comments
    on the gliders. They really enjoy the hobby and are more then willing
    to bend your ear on the phone. I found that they were very helpful when
    I mentioned looking for a competitive open class plane on a limited
    budget. If you're into gliders, this is THE catalog to spend your money
    on. They have several manufacturer's planes. This year's catalog is
    organized by class (size) and type (slope, thermal, scale)

    thanks for the info, looks like alot of work and aditional cost
    (micro-servos) and stuff. looks like I'll do the Super Sportster 20
    instead.
    
    Thanks again

    re. 1207- Lamar.
    
    Ph # 505-898-1129. 9140 Guadalupe Trail N.W. Albq. N.M. 87114
    
    Present inventory:
    
    Airfoil templates(paper)
    
    Landing skids (Jaws)
    
    Wing rods-4 sizes-7/32" to 5/16" in 1/32" increments.
    
    Industrial vinyl tape.
    
    Industrial heat guns.
    
    Alum. tube gapless hinges.
    
    Plug-in wing servo connectors.
    

    
    Granite State R/C Products
    65 North Lowell St.
    Methuen, MA  01844-2354
    508-794-4442
    

    
    Fibre Glast Development Corp
    1944 Neva Drive
    Dayton, Ohio, 45414
    513-274-1159
    800-821-3283
    513-274-7267 (FAX)
    
    ATTENTION COMBOSITE BUILDERS!!!
    
    This catalog is for you!  It is FREE for the asking (and advertised in 
    Model Aviation).
    
    This catalog is the NE Sailplanes catalog of composite materials. 
    There are a couple of "how to" and lots of "definition" boxes
    explaining different material.  They have everything from scissors to
    gel coats, fiber glass to carbon fiber.  Resins and pigments and
    bagging supplies.  The catalog is about 35 pages long.  It also
    includes a conversion charts, physical properties of laminates and
    various books on bagging and building with fiber glass to moulding.
    
    Enjoy!
    jeff
    

Re: .-1

This place is really the one stop shopping center for any type of fiberglass
or composite work. Everything including several types of release agents and
several lines of epoxy and polyester resin. They have first and second quality
kevlar and kevlar tape in various widths. Prices looked competitive.

The fax for NSP is the regular number.  Youc all and say " I am sending a fax"
He says " you have n minutes before I disconnect"

Chad

I stopped out and picked up an order of balsa from Eric at National Balsa.
Currently he advertises in MAN and being as local to me as he was, I went 
over and picked my order up. Quality was very good and he's willing to 
custom cut sizes. He'll be getting some 60" long stock in in a couple of 
weeks. I've ordered from Lone Star and Duck Woods and his quality was 
equivalent. He does seem to have sizes the others don't (48" aileron stock).
He also carries basswood as his hardwood spar material. He'll cut you any 
size you'd like.

I'll be dealing with him again in the future.

National Balsa
97 Cherokee Drive
Springfield, MA 01109
(413) 796-1925

    
    I'm not sure if this is the correct topic to place the following, if
    not moderator you might want to move it.
    
    For those of you into big scale, i.e. 1/4 scale and such, and have
    purchased Sachs engines from A&M Aircraft be aware of the following.
    A&M is again OUT OF BUSINESS.  Contrary what you might read in 
    RC Report, i.e. Jim Van Loos article in the June '93 issue, A&M is
    no longer functioning.  I just received a letter from them dated 
    6-10-93 stating, and I quote "A&M Aircraft is no longer in business."
    This letter was in response to a request I made about the repairs of
    my Sachs 2.0 I sent them in early May.
    
    Phone calls are answered by an answering machine stating to leave name,
    phone number, etc.
    
    Just wanted to let you know.
    
    

Don's Hobbies (303)353-3115 - someplace on Colorado I think.

Over Christmas vacation I was working on a new HLG (Lit Bird)
when I got to deciding the fuselage width and the distance
between two formers.  At this time I would like to have had
the receiver.  But I did not so I used a mock up balsa block
and determined that the only one that would fit (just) was the
RCD 535.  No problem I kept building and then later called Tom's
Hobbie Korner in Chelmsford MA. to order one.  

No problem says his assistant - just come over first and leave a
deposit.

No problem says I - bye.

Steamed I procrastinated for a couple of weeks then called the Hobby 
Emporium in Nashua N.H.  I have a 10 percent discount certificate for
this hobby shop that I received at some contest.

No problem says the clerk - just drop bye and leave a deposit.

No problem says I - I'll leave a deposit if you pay my gas mileage
from Orange.

So I start trying to assemble my order for mail order.  Trying
to find receivers that are compatible with Transmitters etc.

I ended up calling ACE and asking them for the name of their
largest wholesale customer.  This lead me to Don's Hobbies.

I called Don and ordered 1 ACE Nautical Commander System, one
RCD Rx, one Futaba R114H Rx (yes AM non-dual conversion guys)
and 3 S133 micro servos.  Total around $400.

Now don't get me wrong - I end up a Tom's frequently and I wouldn't
mind leaving a deposit if I was there or if I happened to be
going there for something else soon - and I will.

But I wanted that RCD Rx YESTERDAY!

And some of these hobby shop owners wonder why people mail order stuff.

Summary

Don's can get nearly anything - has competitive prices and doesn't
require you to drive over first and leave a deposit.

Yes I volunteered to leave my VISA number at Tom's Hobby Korner and the
Hobby Emporium and no that wasn't good enough.

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If its the Don's Hobbies I know, its in Greeley, a delightful college
town near the Wyoming border, north of Denver.  I made a pilgrimage
there several years ago and wrote something on it in the Hobby Shops
note.  I suspect it has changed somewhat since my trip there, since
they're talking competitive prices and availablility; this store was
interesting because of some of the old bargains to be found there.

Funny, I had some time last week and was thinking of making it up
there, but stayed in Denver instead.

BTW--I don't know if anybody has noticed, but Colorado Discount
Hobbies, AKA B&K (or something like that) Hobbies in Englewood is no
longer.  Like they came in one night and put a medical supplies office
in there, erasing all knowledge and evidence of possibly the best
hobby shop in the state.  However, in my foray last week I discovered
an old place, Blue Yonder Hobbies, that I thought had gone out of
business, has expanded nearby.  Its pretty good, though no match of
the late great Colorado Discount.

Huh, nothing to do with mail order!

I just received an interesting order from:

Improvements
4944 Commerce Parkway
Cleveland, OH 44128-5985

(800)642-2112

It's kinda hard to describe what they sell but what I purchased was
324 disposable paint brushes for $30

Yes I said 324.  Mostly they are the small acid brushes that I like to
use for epoxy but basically I have always been on the lookout for
cheap brushes.  Most of the time I'd rather discard than clean up.

Anyway - can't hurt to call toll free for a catalogue!

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    Help wanted!  Does anyone out there in R/C land know if 
    
    Mutcher's Hobbies, Inc
    4620 Crandall-Lanesville Road
    Corydon, Indinia 47112
    (812) 366-3141
    
    is still in business?
    
    I am interested in their Alon II, Aircoupe manufactured by Jack
    Stafford Models (or the address and phone number of this firm).
    
    Any help will be appreciated.
    
    Ollie
    
    

hi all,

the address and owner of modellhaus has changed:

MOdellhaus
152 Ack Lane East
Bramhall
Stockport
Chesire
SK7 2AA
England

the name of the new owner might be E. Tomlinson, but i am not sure.

Happy christmas to you and your families!

Till' next year!
(Holliday_)Joe T.