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Conference ssdevo::4wd

Title:4 Wheel Drive
Notice:Welcome to 4WD's new home! = 399
Moderator:TARKIN::LINMAN
Created:Fri Mar 13 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1639
Total number of notes:30449

1333.0. "Rear axles" by HELIX::NAYLOR (Mark E. Naylor) Mon May 06 1991 21:39

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1333.1BTW, is there an existing topic to cover this ?CRATE::RUTTERRut The NutTue May 07 1991 02:0316
1333.2ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGHA Fistful of EpoxyTue May 07 1991 14:239
1333.3CHEST::RUTTERRut The NutWed May 08 1991 02:086
1333.4Full floatersROYALT::HARPERWed May 08 1991 14:567
1333.5Not just for off-roadHSOMAI::HARDMANThunderTrucks of TexasWed May 08 1991 16:416
1333.6Salisbury?!?COMET::SWARTZELLSSat May 11 1991 08:385
1333.7JOKUR::MAYParts LocatorTue May 14 1991 10:404
1333.8SOLVIT::KEITHReal men double clutchWed Jul 24 1991 13:3216
1333.9It's where the money goesKETJE::SHASTA::RUTTERI'm Back 'Ome in SeptemberWed Aug 07 1991 08:2218
1333.10SMARTT::MACNEALruck `n' rollWed Aug 07 1991 10:105
1333.11KETJE::SHASTA::RUTTERIt Bloody Often Screws-upThu Aug 08 1991 02:2416
1333.12Jeep pickup axlesROYALT::HARPERFri Oct 04 1991 10:429
1333.13Ask the expertsHSOMAI::HARDMANLife's a mountain, not a beach!Wed Oct 30 1991 15:485
1333.14You were correctROYALT::HARPERThu Oct 31 1991 10:267
1333.15Jeep CJ rear axle codes (AMC Corp. axle)CGHUB::DWYERGreg, NaCM, MKO2, 264-8070Wed Aug 05 1992 08:4516
1333.16 '86 Jeep CJ7 rear/front axles ??? JUPITR::HWAGNERWed Aug 12 1992 12:5711
1333.17SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Thu Aug 13 1992 11:468
1333.18Re 1333 Axe that Axle TerminologyMKOTS3::J_GALLAGHERWed Sep 25 1996 12:3837
1333.19like aspirin, it's a generic term, nowCSLALL::NASEAM::READIOA Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksThu Sep 26 1996 09:4728
1333.20Ford 10.5" rears..KISMIF::GAMMON::JEMIOLOThu Oct 31 1996 13:4114
1333.21I hate when that happens!SUBSYS::WOJDAKTue Mar 25 1997 09:3022
    My rear axle snapped a few week's ago on the passenger side, just
    behind the drum. It snapped driving down the highway at approx.
    35MPH and I was able to get it safely to the side of the road.
    I am running 35" tires and have now found out that
    the half-ton rear-end/axle assembly on my '78 Bronco is probably 
    not strong enough to handle this size of tire. I have also spoken with  
    two Jeep owners who say this is a common occurance with Jeeps and
    larger tires. One of them was planning on going to the Ford rear end
    until he heard of my problem.
    
    I am looking into going to smaller tires,but how small do I go?Is there
    a way to strengthen the axles without changing the entire rear-end
    assembly? I have replaced the axle with a junk yard unit for now.
    It did leave a nice crease in the rear fender panel.8^(
    
    What about aftermarket assemblies? 
    
                Rich                                    
    
    
    
     
1333.22WMOIS::WHITE_CTue Mar 25 1997 09:355
    
     Get a Ford 9".....Very strong units!
    
     Chris
    
1333.23WMOIS::WHITE_CTue Mar 25 1997 09:366
    
    Oh yea, you did mention not replacing the whole unit....But it should
    not be too bad to do.
    
    
    Chris
1333.24Mongo axles?HSOSS1::HARDMANIt's a girl! Now what?Tue Mar 25 1997 16:5415
    Same thing happened to a friend of mines' '73 F-150, back when they
    used 9-inch rear-ends under them. I think it was just over 105,000
    miles when it happened. Luckily, he was just turning a corner at about
    2 mph when it snapped.
    
    One solution is a full-floating axle, like is used on 1-ton, Heavy duty
    3/4 ton and nearly all older 3/4 ton trucks. These have a hollow
    spindle and use tapered roller bearings, just like the front axle has.
    The axle shaft itself does not support the weight of the vehicle, the
    spindle does. Only problem is, they use 8-lug wheels, which means you
    either carry two spares or change the front axle to 8-lug as well. It's
    not the cheapest solution, but it sure is heavy-duty! :-)
    
    Harry
    
1333.25hows that again...EDSCLU::NICHOLSWed Mar 26 1997 08:0634
Harry--

>    3/4 ton and nearly all older 3/4 ton trucks. These have a hollow
>    spindle and use tapered roller bearings, just like the front axle has.
>    The axle shaft itself does not support the weight of the vehicle, the
>    spindle does. Only problem is, they use 8-lug wheels, which means you

could you explain this a little more?  what is the difference between an
axle shaft and an axle spindle?  in my simple mind's image of an axle
i cant imagine how theyre different...  Arent there bearings at both ends
of the axle anyway (diff and wheel/brake drum)?  If not, how is it kept
from spinning out of true and rubbing the housing?

                               --|
    /--\                       | |--
 --- xx -----------------------J |  
 ==0*XX*=0====================0==|
 --- xx -----------------------7 |
    \--/                       | |--
                               --|

I am not quite sure how to put labels on what ive drawn, so ill try to
describe it....

the pile of x's is the diff.  the *'s are the gear at the end of the axle
where is goes into the diff.  the = is the axle.  the 0 are the bearings.
at the right end, there are two semi connected pieces: the 'plate' that
the brake shoes and stuff attach too (firmly attached to the axle housing)
and the brake drum and lug nut piece (which would attach to the axle).

am i all wet on how this is put together? or am i at least close?

--roger
1333.269" Vs FloatersKISMIF::JEMIOLOWed Mar 26 1997 08:5817
    re -1   On the 9" axle, you have a retaining plate, bearing, keeper on
    the Axle.  The bearing and keeper are pressed onto the shaft after the
    retaining plate, The Axle is then inserted into the housing and 4 bolts
    on the retaining plate hole the bearing in place in the axle tube.
    The press fit of the bearing and keeper. Vehicle weight is supported
    by the wheel-bearing-axle-housing-spring path
    
    On Floater (3/4hd, old3/4 + 1ton) the rear wheel assemble is supported
    by two tapered bearings which run on races on the Axle tube. The
    assembly is retained by two large nuts and a lock ring. The axle is
    inserted through the assemble and bolts to the outside of the wheel
    assemble.. vehicle weight is supported by the
    wheel-bearing-housing-spring path.. The Axle does not bear any of the
    weight.
    
    JJ