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| 845.1 | Kyosho = junk. | ROCK::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Thu Jan 19 1989 16:53 | 19 |
| Is this made by Kyosho? If it is, DO NOT BUY IT!!
I have never seen the Melody fly, but all of the Kyosho stuff I've
seen or heard of doesn't fly very well (read: barely flies at all).
Before I invested any money in ANY Kyosho stuff, I'd want to see
someone else waste their money and THEN try to convince me that it
really does fly.
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|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
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| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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| 845.2 | Ditto on Kyosho! | WR2FOR::BEATTY_WI | | Thu Jan 19 1989 19:43 | 9 |
| I would echo the previous noters comments on Kyosho Junk! I have
seen some of their robin/etude/etc planes and I wonder seriously
if Kyosho ever flew one before putting it on the market.
If you are looking for a flexible entry level electric, try a Goldberg
Electra or a Goldberg Sophisticated Lady with the Electric Motor
Pod.
Will Beatty
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| 845.3 | I agree... | TALLIS::FISHER | Only 56 Days till Phoenix! | Fri Jan 20 1989 08:37 | 13 |
| > Is this made by Kyosho? If it is, DO NOT BUY IT!!
>
> I have never seen the Melody fly, but all of the Kyosho stuff I've
> seen or heard of doesn't fly very well (read: barely flies at all).
My words exactly.
I had the ultralight - never got it to fly.
Bye --+--
Kay R. Fisher |
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| 845.4 | Get a cobalt motor | ROCK::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Fri Jan 20 1989 08:40 | 25 |
| Other good flying electric gliders are the Astro Flite Challenger
and the Airtronics Eclipse.
I also STRONGLY recommend using an Astro Flite Cobalt 05 Geared
motor with any of these gliders (including the pevious noters
suggestions). Any of the listed gliders w/ and Astro Cobalt 05
geared will fly VERY well. (At least all of them equipped this way
that I have seen fly well.) If you stick with the "stock" motor,
the performance will be marginal.
Bottom line: if you invest the money for a good motor (a cobalt),
you'll be rewarded with a succesful electric.
I also suggest you read all of note 387.* (Beginners Electrics).
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
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| 845.5 | | RVAX::SMITH | | Fri Jan 20 1989 09:54 | 17 |
| Can someone tell me the difference, if any, between electric motors
sold with electric powered planes (cobalt included), and the electric
motors used in cars. The reason I ask this is because from what
I remember of the price of the cobalt motor, car motors that will
turn upwards of 30k RPM can be had in the $30/40 dollar range.
I know absolutely nothing about electric powered flight, so this
next statement is strictly an assumption, but if you have a geared
motor, such as is talked about with the cobalt, I would take that
to mean the motor does not have an extended shaft that the prop
directly attaches to. Which, I would then assume, would mean that
you could play around with motors.
Does this make any sense to anyone???????
Steve
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| 845.6 | Motor explainations | ROCK::MINER | Electric = No more glow-glop | Fri Jan 20 1989 10:37 | 39 |
| RE: < Note 845.5 by RVAX::SMITH >
> Can someone tell me the difference, if any, between electric motors
> sold with electric powered planes (cobalt included), and the electric
> motors used in cars.
Most of the "car-type" motors are the same thing as the motors that
are included in the plane kits. (The only exception to this that I
know of is the Astro Flite Mini-Challenger which includes an Astro
Cobalt 035 motor.)
Some of the higher performance car-type motors do indeed deliver a
similar amont of power/torque/RPM/whatever but at the expense of
WEIGHT. The cobalt motors are much lighter (typically 2-3 ounces)
for the same performance. This may not sound like much at first,
but it can mean the difference between an electric plane that flies
very well to one that will only climb about 10 feet in 5 minutes
(not really flying in my opinion).
So the only difference (as I know it) between the high-end car
motors and a cobalt is: price and weight. Bottom line is: you get
what you pay for and the cobalts are worth every penny.
RE: geared motors.
Geared plane motors are basically just a standard (or cobalt) motor
with a gearbox added to the front end of the motor. This gearbox
has a shaft to attach the prop to. (Did this answer your question,
Steve?)
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| \ Silent POWER!
_ ___________ _________ | Happy Landings!
| \ | | | | |
|--------|- SANYO + ]-| ASTRO |--| - Dan Miner
|_/ |___________| |_________| |
| / | " The Earth needs more OZONE,
| / not Caster Oil!! "
|_____/
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| 845.7 | Thanks | RVAX::SMITH | | Fri Jan 20 1989 11:59 | 14 |
| Ah yes.....WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!! Could make a difference what?????
I'm seriously thinking of getting into electric gliders this spring
so I'm taking little bits and pieces of info here and there for
when I'm ready to go.
Car motors ARE heavy. I've never weighed one, but would guesstimate
as much as 8 or 10 ounces.
Thanks for the info Dan!!!
Steve
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| 845.8 | plane motor for cars? | STEREO::POZZETTA | | Tue Jan 24 1989 08:39 | 6 |
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Can a plane-type electric motor be used in a RC car? It would seem
that someone who was into racing RC cars would want to save 5-6
oz. of weight on their cars with a lighter motor.
HP
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| 845.9 | equal | LEDS::COHEN | | Tue Jan 24 1989 18:20 | 7 |
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Most common 05 sized aircraft motors ARE car motors. In fact, all
the Kyosho planes come with the exact same motor they sell in
their cars.
Exceptions are AstroFlight and Keller, which manufacture motors
specifically designed for airplanes.
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| 845.10 | Cobalt will turn too slow | LEDS::WATT | | Thu Jan 26 1989 08:54 | 10 |
| One problem with using Plane motors for cars is the designed running
speed. The cobalt plane motors (The only ones that are light and
powerful) turn much less rpm than a car motor with a standard 7
cell battery. You can't get a tall enough gear ratio to take advantage
of this kind of motor. You will have a car that will burn rubber
with the best of them but the top speed will not be good. Astro
makes a cobalt car motor but it has the same problem.
Charlie
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| 845.11 | Glider Advice | CSOA1::RANKIN | | Mon Jun 12 1989 11:27 | 17 |
| My neighbors and I could give the Kyosho interested party some advice.
We have 3-Goldberg Electra's, 1-Goldberg Sofisticated Lady with
TeeDee .049, and 1-Kyosho Melody. The Lady with the D&R power pod
and TeeDee .049 flys the longest and highest because it is the most
streamlined and has the longest powered portion of flight. The
Electra's come in second (they have the same wing as the lady) and
a nice large but powerful motor). The Kyosho is pathetic. The owner
is verrrry upset with it and is going to get a Sof. Lady. It is
heavy and under winged. It does survive impact better but it's
1 1/2 - 2 min. flight combined with its poor gliding and flying
are too much.
Go with a Carl Goldberg Sofisticated Lady (not the Gentle Lady)
or the Carl Goldberg Electra.
Good Luck,
JR
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| 845.12 | ? *not* the Gentle Lady ? | ABACUS::RYDER | Alton, who practices omphaloskepsis | Mon Jun 12 1989 13:34 | 6 |
| re Note 845.11 "Go with a Carl Goldberg Sofisticated Lady (not the Gentle Lady)"
This may not be the right place to ask/answer this, but why not
the Gentle Lady?
Alton, who is about to start his Gentle Lady kit.
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| 845.13 | Gentle vs. Softisticated Lady | CSOA1::RANKIN | | Tue Jun 13 1989 15:36 | 13 |
| I looked at both the Gentle Lady and the Sofisticated Lady. There
seems to be two differences.
1) The Sofisticated Lady is more streamlined.
2) The Sofisticated Lady uses the newer Goldberg wing
the same as on the Electra. The two hobby shops that
I talked with (both specialize in planes) recommended
the Sof. Lady.
These were the reasons that I chose. Your needs may vary. I have
noticed a difference in mail order prices of about $5-10.
JR
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| 845.14 | Gentle Lady or the Oly 650 for a beginner | IOENG::SEGOOL | | Wed Jun 14 1989 09:20 | 13 |
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When I was looking for a first glider I talked to a fellow named
Fritz Bien. I didn't know him but I knew he ran some glider meets
for CRRC. He did not recommend the Sofisticated Lady as a first
glider because he felt the the tail boom was a bit too fragile and
was more prone to break on heavy landings. He did recommend the
Gentle Lady or Olympic 650. He thought the 650 might build quicker
because many of the parts are precut. I'm still building one, but
it takes me eons to get anything on the field.
Well, good luck with whatever you decide.
Mike
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| 845.15 | SIG Riser is also a great beginner's glider | CURIE::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Wed Jun 14 1989 12:48 | 10 |
| Re:< Note 845.14 by IOENG::SEGOOL >
I would also recommend the SIG Riser 2M as a beginner's
glider. The only potential weakness is attaching the
tailfeathers, which is easy to beef up with some triangle stock.
I have been very happy with mine and have only damaged it once,
by walking through a doorway and catching the tailfeathers on the
frame!
Anker
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