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Conference vmszoo::rc

Title:	Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:	dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:	VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS

Created:	Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:	Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1706
Total number of notes:	27193

501.0. "RC gets some publicity" by AKOV11::CAVANAGH (We don't need no stinkin badges!) Tue Mar 29 1988 18:08

   Reprinted without permission from The Sunday Independent



	Model planes: a hobby with large scale uses

	By Melanie DuLac

	"Model airplanes always end up by getting this little boy image," 
said Harvey Thomasian of Northboro.  "We like to have little boys in this
hobby; that's the future of aviation in this country but..."

	That 'but' is on the lips of every plane modeler.  It's why they're
reluctant to talk to the media.  They've see too many headlines about "Grown
Men with Their Little Toys."

	An engineer by profession, Thomasian has been involved with model
airplanes since he was six.  He has flown competitively and has held positions
in the Academy of Model Aeronautics, the national sanctioning body of the sport.

	His house is a testament not only to his interest in model planes, but
to his wife's tolerance.  Planes have totally taken over the garage and cellar.
And "When two kids moved out, the planes moved into their bedrooms."

	Thomasian recalled the days when modelers used car batteries to power
their radio transmitters.  "(Now)  it's very high tech.  This hobby is at the
forefront of using modern, up-to-date, composite materials: plastics and epoxies
and Fiberglas, things of that nature."

	Technological advancements made by modelers often find themselves
incorporated into the design of real planes.  Modelers developed a new gyroscope
that is now used to stabilize real planes.  And the technology for cruise 
missiles and remotely-piloted vehicles stems from work done by model plane
hobbyists.

		[1mScientific and defense uses[0m

	Radio-controlled planes are used for geological survey, forestry work
and to measure the earth's radiation.

	Israelis used radio-controlled plane to know out Syrian missile sites.
They also equip some models with television cameras for aerial reconnaissance.
Where they're made of wood, except for the engine and some of the radio parts,
they're undetectable on radar.  If they are shot down, there's no loss of life;
they're not nearly as expensive as the real airplanes, and the film isn't
destroyed, because it sends back live pictures.

	Aerial photography also gets a boost from model planes.  "I worked
for a short time with a few individuals who were doing a project for National
Geographic," said Thomasian.  When volcanic islands explode out of the ocean,
then disappear just as quickly, it takes too long to form an expedition and
find a ship with a landing deck for helicopters.  The solution is a much 
smaller boat and a few people with a model helicopter or plane equipped with
a miniature television camera.

		[1mFrom peaks to pot[0m

	The Swiss use radio-controlled planes to string cables between peaks.
A process that took two years is not accomplished in three months by attaching
a role of tungsten wire to a model plane and stationing a person with a radio
on each peak.  Once the preliminary strand is anchored, heavier wires are 
hauled along it.

	Model planes are also used for nefarious purposes as crop dusting
marijuana fields, or carrying 25 pounds of the drug across the Mexican border.

	[1mThe only flying B-29[0m

	The television and movie industries are big users of model aircraft.
"The public never knows there's only one flying B-29 on the face of this earth,"
and that one is a model, said Thomasian.  Why use a model instead of a real
thing?  No World War II vintage B-29s exist that are still in flying condition,
he explained.

	Byron Originals, a model manufacturer in Ida Grove, Iowa, stages a
yearly three-day World [War] II battle which highlights a B-29 Super Fortress.
It weighs a record 405 pounds, has a wingspan of 28 feet, 20-foot fuselage, and
three separate radio systems to fly it.

	Two-thirds of the dangerous helicopter shots in "The Towering Inferno"
were done by Thomasians friend, Erni Huber, a world champion model helicopter
flying from Danvers.

	"Now, you know how they make all these wonderful movies. They've
got a bunch of old guys like me off in the background," laughed Thomasian.

	Gliders, jets, indoor models, free-flight gasoline-powered planes and
radio-controlled ones are just a few of the types of models with scores of
designs within each category.

	"There's more variety when you're building models than there are 
real airplanes."

		[1mPlanes without pilots0m

	Just what is a radio-controlled airplane?  It's like a real plane
except a radio replaces the pilot.

	Depending on the range of the radio, planes can fly from five to 100
miles.  With radar and the help of the Nave, a model airplane set the 
altitude record of 35,000 feet.

	How fast can they go?  The world speed record for a jet model is
250 MPH.  "The only thing that limits the speed is the visual acuity of the
individual flying it."  Modelers are safety conscious; they like to see their
models at all times.  They don't want a jet whizzing past them in eight 
seconds, and have to turn it around when it's out of sight.  "That's the only
limiting factor; there's no reason why a radio-controlled airplane can't go
400 or 500 miles per hour."

		[1mHobbyist clubs abound in area[0m

	There are about 2 million plane hobbyists in the country; 
Massachusetts alone has about 80 clubs.  In the area, the Central Mass Radio-
Control Modelers with about 100 members uses a field on the Fisheries &
Wildlife property in Westboro.  Charles River Radio-Control Modelers fly at 
the Fort Devens Auxiliary Drop Zone in Hudson.

	Thomasian recommended contacting your local hobby shop for information
about the nearest club.  Most shops have AMA applications, a prerequisite 
for membership.

	About 180,000 people belong to the AMA which is the national sanctioning
body.  The AMA is responsible for reserving radio frequencies from the FCC (so
far there are 32 frequencies for plane modelers.)

		1mTies with Smithsonian[0m

	The AMA is also closely associated with the Smithsonian.  "Many of the
models that the Smithsonian has have come through the AMA or the AMA builders.
And a lot of the work that's done on the restoration of real aircraft is done
by people in the model airplane business."

	The AMA has an insurance program for damage to people or property by
models. To fly under the AMA protection, members must adhere to strict 
competition and safety rules.

	"Inherently, (model planes) aren't all that dangerous," said Thomasian.
"Except if the propeller's turning," then it's like a rotary lawnmower.

	Thomasian's been a pilot for 40 years, and he said, "Pilots find
it difficult to fly these things.  Yet if you can fly a model, you can take
a person out in a real airplane, (because) flying a model airplane is much
more difficult."

	With radio-control planes, you do everything after the fact.  For 
example when landing a plane, "It's much easier to look at the field from
an airplane, rather than watch you airplane come screaming down out of the
sky and try to put it on this little 275 foot patch of grass."

	Malcolm Arbor of Northboro said, "It took me two years to learn
how to land one," which is why spectators applaud particularly smooth landings.

	Also, model planes are flown from two perspectives: "As if you're
in it, then as it's coming towards you, right and left reverse," said Jack
Buckley of Marlboro.  He's one of the country's best scale modelers.

	Scale models are exact replicas of real planes usually reduced to
one-fifth the size.  They are incredibly detailed down to rib stitching,
nuts, bolts, and screws on the instrument panel.  Buckley's even has luggage
in the luggage compartment.

	Most everyone involved with model airplanes began as kids.

	"Some of your most famous aviators in the world have all started
by building model airplanes," said Thomasian, including Chuck Yeager, Burt
Rutan (who designed the plane his brother Dick and Jeana Yeager flew around
the world on a single tank of gas), Werner von Braun and Neil Armstrong.  
And he remembered when on of NASA's top aeronautical scientists, Dr Richard
Whitcomb, ran a little model shop in his cellar on Coventry Road in 
Worcester.

	"This is an extremely educational hobby.  I had to learn to read
sixteenths of an inch on a ruler when I was in the second grade," said
Thomasian. "(When) you get interested in aeronautics at an early age, your
vocabulary comes to you early, physics, mathematics, as well as all the
skills you develop with your hands."

	Countries like Russia, Yugoslavia and China have model airplane 
classes in their schools.  "We don't do as well as we used to (in 
international competitions) because this country has no program for this 
hobby," said Thomasian.
	Beginners can get started for about $400; that will buy them a 95
percent prefabricated model that requires about 20 hours of assembly.  But
although it's a great hobby for children, radio-control planes are not toys.
	"We don't call it a toy when it needs 2,000 hours to build it," 
said Buckley who has just received 45 sets of drawings from a Belfast factory,
so he can build from scratch a scale model of a Short Sky Van.  He estimated 
it'll take him two years to assemble it.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
501.2	Setting the record straight?	NORDIC::COLBURN		`Wed Mar 30 1988 06:28`	7
	Unless the B-29 I saw 2 years ago at Burlington airport crashed,there is a flying B-29 left in the world.A gorgeous B-29 and a B-24 came here to the Burlington,Vermont few years ago for 3 or 4 days and when they left they did a few low-level passes over the airport for the photographers in the crowd.It was beautiful!! Kevin
501.4	THERE IS _ONE_ AND "FIFI' IS HER NAME.......	MAUDIB::CASEYA	THE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)	`Wed Mar 30 1988 10:59`	26
	The sole, surviving, flyable B-29 Superfortress belongs to and is regularly flown by the Confederate Aif Force, based in Harlingen, Texas. Known as "Fifi," this is the same B-29 which Col. Paul Tibbets flew in the CAF's annual airshow in Harlingen in a re-creation of the dropping of the first A-bomb a few years back. You may recall the flap this stirred up among the Japanese who thought it was tasteless to recreate such a terrible event. Fifi has been used in the filming of several movies, one of which was "Enola Gay," the TV movie about the A-bombing of Hiroshima, starring Patrick Duffy. My CAF buddy, Gerald Martin, was among the crew that assembled Fifi from several scrapped airframes and flew it back from the California desert to Texas. Having spent a few days with Gerald this past January, I'm sure Fifi is alive and well as Gerald would surely have told me if something had happened to her. Due to her extreme rarity, however, I'm sure Fifi is not extensively flown anymore. : \| \| 00 Adios, Al \|_\|_\| ( >o \| Z__(O_\_ (The Desert Rat)
501.5	We came out on top !	GALVIA::ECULLEN	It will never fly, Wright !	`Thu Sep 20 1990 10:06`	157
	Hi Guys, What follows here is a memo that I wrote to save our DIGITAL flying site here in Ireland and Ballybrit (GAO). After a couple of meetings etc it was resolved in the favour of, yes, the RC guys ! Nice change. So here it is. Al (Ryder) you may want to put this somewhere else (couldn't see a suitable KEYWORD for it). Regards, Eric. * mail headers removed * Hello Liam, How are things ? Just a quick note to let you know that one of the local farmers beside the Ballybrit plant, adjoining the Gaelic pitch we use to fly off, complained there recently - sometime over the weekend I think. I guess it is the result of a couple of crashes a month (18-AUG) or so ago, and possibly a degree of noise to a lesser extent. Although as you know the field is quite isolated from family homes etc. I will detail these two crashes a bit for the sake of history ! Tim's plane dived into the ground after a tip stall on landing approach coming over one of the farmers fields. A couple of flights later I did a loop, forgetting that I had flicked the elevator onto low rates - hence I hadn't enough throw for the height and ploughed into the ground again on a field supposedly belonging to the farmer. Unfortunately the farmer, wife and daughter were out and were looking on. Not that we were in the mood to pacify them after our bad luck, they inquired about the safety etc of the planes and the possible damage they might do. We replied briefly but in an honest and sincere manner. Going back a bit, the fields that we dropped into were both empty at the time. Also from our experience, cattle and sheep ignore the planes and have never been disturbed by them, either here or in any of our past flying locations. Some of the farmers using the racecourse know that were are there and have not been concerned. They were more concerned about stray dogs attacking the animals. So over the weekend a local farmer, Michael Broderick (51952), called DEC security to complain about the planes. That the planes were flying over his fields and that during the week the noise was preventing children from sleeping. The nearest houses are a considerable distance away, so the noise level can only be fairly low if at all noticable I called Mr Broderick on Sunday afternoon around 16:00 to talk to him about his point of view. Well he said he was representing a number of people (I didn't ask who, as I thought that it was easy for him to say that - but if it comes to anything more - well then we can ask) who were not happy about the planes. His main points were that of the noise, flying over his fields and safety. I reasured him of our commitment to safety - being of the utmost importance. There are from time to time onlookers or people walking through whom we caution on the dangers of standing near or in line with the propellers, standing in the middle of the field etc. We ask them to move if they are in any possible danger. I am not sure if he talking about people on DIGITAL private property or in the fields, certainly it could not be in the gardens of the houses, I ask ? I respected his wish for us not to fly low over his fields, and in as far as possible we will not. I pointed out that the wind direction is a main consideration here and that they are flying at low speed on approach. As far as noise is concerned I am surprised - noise level is very low - both Tim and myself are using the best and quietest of engines OS46S- ABC's which are of the quietest running. Of comparative noise's around in the area one has farm machinery and the local commercial air traffic. I could make more noise with a lawn mower. Another reason for my surprise is the length of time that it took for him to act - lately the evenings have been short and we are packing up by 20:00 on the, one possibly two, weekdays that we go out. And this time, by any standards, is early in the evening before lights out for young kids. If he had complained in April through to about mid August I might accept this more. Anyway I strongly suspect that his wife was the main force behind the complaint - he wasn't too upset when we met him on the 18-AUG. To rectify this situation we are going to limit out flying over the farmer's fields in as much as possible. We are taking this as limiting our low altitude flying over the fields. At reducing the noise late at night - the evenings are getting shorter and we will be eliminating the weekday flying probably by the end of this month. The weekend flying is generally on Saturday afternoon and possibly Sunday afternoon (seldom). We will endeavor to use the larger, higher pitched propellers to reduce noise to as low as possible. That said the noise levels are below the maximum level acceptable by the Model Aeronautices Council Of Ireland (MACI). Insurance is another point that is worth mentioning. All people who use the field have and always will be insured by MACI. That said, I suspect that the end of this is yet to come ! We have compromised here and expect this to be recognised. This compromise limits us a lot in the use of airspace surrounding the field. And it makes us have to fly down wind if the the wind direction is from the west, or south west and possibly south to some extent. Here are details of some mishaps/events that have occurred in the 5 months that we have been using the field. Tim Pasley and myself are the only RCM guys using the field except for a couple of times one extra person was out. 26_APR_90: Got DEC Ballybrit flying site. 27_APR_90: DEC-Ballybrit - Hit the tree in the top corner - broke off nose ! 13_JUL_90: Hit that Tree @DEC again - minor damage. 18_AUG_90: Bad crash. Looped into ground 18_AUG_90: Tim went straight into the dirt ! The number of flights is about 700+ each. So in 5 months for the two of us you are looking at 0.2% from a statistical point of view. That is very seldom - if you look at the log of flights over the period below. Only a percentage of these flights may have annoyed Mr Broderick. I have specific details on all days, weather etc but I won't clutter this note with all that. MONTH FLIGHTS April Flights 140 May Flights 172 June Flights 85 July Flights 214 August Flights 77 September Flights 70 *************************** NB *********************** Not to forget that we are extremely appreciative of DIGITAL giving us the permission to have use of the field. ********************************************************** It's unfortunate that Radio Control Modelers don't have any particular rights to pursue their hobby. Always is the case that they get the short straw. If you feel that it may be of interest to forward this to relevant persons please feel free to do so. This note is in anticipation of further communication from Mr Broderick and those that he may represent. And should it continue I would like to be heard and if possible those who decide, to come out while we are flying some day to see for themselves.- Kind regards, Eric, PTG/Mervue/Ireland/Galway. DTN 890-2228 Home 21092
501.6	a show for cub scouts	ABACUS::RYDER	perpetually the bewildered beginner	`Tue Jun 04 1991 23:25`	17
	I just put my foot in my mouth; I said yes to a request to put on a show for a Cub Scout jamboree(?) in Wilton NH on the afternoon of 6/15. The audience will be about 50 boys (ages 8-12) plus about 20 adults. The request is for "[model plane] activities that draw their interest". The site is a baseball field with the audience on one side with no audio/visual aids such as a public address system. The duration is at least an hour, at most three. I'd like some suggestions. With only a week and a half between now and that day, I have to move quickly to plan, recruit, and detail. This Wednesday night I'll bring it up to my club, but planning anything is not their strong suit. (They make DEC look decisive in comparison.) Hmmmn. If I felt confident about the preparations, I bet we could get some good local TV and/or newspaper coverage. Alton
501.7	a handout for youngsters	BRAT::RYDER	perpetually the bewildered beginner	`Fri Jun 14 1991 01:53`	74
	The following is a draft of a one-page handout for the cub scouts mentioned in .-1 Comments? ----------------------------------------------------------------- What does it cost to get started? "Penny gliders" --- about a dollar or less Free-flight gliders --- about five dollars Free-flight rubber --- maybe $10 dollars? U-control "gas" power --- about $100 Radio controlled gliders --- about $200 Radio controlled "gas" power --- about $300 Radio controlled electric power--- about $300 or more (not really suitable for beginners) Do NOT get a car radio with the intention of later using it in a plane. It is a violation of federal law to do so, and it is unsafe. [Is this really an FCC regulation or an AMA ruling? I'm not absolutely certain.] Except for free-flight gliders, do not try to learn without help. It is too expensive and disappointing and, in some cases, dangerous. To get help and guidance, join a club or at least talk to a knowledgeable hobby shop owner. Model clubs, both radio control and U control, offer free advice and instruction. Alternatively, a hobby shop owner might be able to arrange for some help from one of his "regular" customers. If you are going to fly anything but small gliders, join the Academy of Model Aeronautics --- mostly for the insurance coverage, but a club is apt to require AMA membership as a prerequisite for joining the club. Besides, the AMA magazine includes plans for planes you can build. If you are going to fly planes, you might want to understand HOW planes fly. If you want your plane to fly well, you MUST learn how they fly. How do you learn? Start with a book from the library or your school. [Is there a scout merit badge book on the topic?] Then spend some time at a flying field and ask questions. During the school year, ask your science teacher. You will find it fun to learn a fact and then see it demonstrated by your own plane after changes to it made by your own hands. Once you are hooked by this hobby, you will never stop learning --- not even when you are old. Books: (Available from Carstens Publications, Box 700, Newton, NJ 07860) Carroll, "Learning to Fly R/C Model Airplanes" Sarpolus, "Building and Flying Control Line Model Aircraft" Schroder, "How to Build & Fly R/C Gliders" [Anyone know of a good, simple, theory-and-practice-of-flight book?] R/C Clubs: Southern NH Flying Eagles R/C Club Butch Bason, President 603-487-2281 (members in Wilton, Hudson, Concord and in everywhere in between) (flying fields in New Boston and in Merrimack) Ashelot Valley Flyers (in the Keene area) Bruce Thompson, President 603-352-6175 (this may be the VP's phone) Hobby shops near Wilton: Hobbies Plus, 650 Amherst St, Nashua (on 101A near Alexander's) [There used to be a shop in Peterborough. Where did it go?]
501.8	Too low for power estimate!	TINCUP::OSWALD	TANSTAAFL!	`Fri Jun 14 1991 16:40`	35
	Al, nice table, but I think your estimate for power flight is too low. Plane kit, Aerostar 40 or Eagle 2 $65 Engine, OS .40 FP $65 2 2oz thin CA $12 1 2oz thick CA $ 6 2 rolls Moneycote $22 1 4 channel radio $119 3 Wheels $ 5 1 gas tank $ 5 3'fuel tubing $ 2 $301 1 gallon fuel $10 1 fuel pump of some kind $10 1 starter battery of some kind $15 $35 AMA dues $40 Grand Total $376 When someone asks me I usually say $350 bare minimum for the plane and radio in flying condition. $400 including minimal field equipment. There are always more little things to buy for that first plane than I listed. The flight equipment listed is absolute minimum and isn't really much fun to fly with, but you can usually borrow stuff from others in the club for a while. Getting a new OS .40 started without a starter is a real pain. Also, I know you can get most everything I listed cheaper through mail-order, but I don't like to get people started that way. Hobby shops, while more expensive, should offer help that more than outweigh the extra cost. For what its worth, Randy
501.9	R/C ornithopter on CNN	ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH	Janine T., come fly with me!	`Tue Nov 19 1991 10:25`	17
	Did anyone see the CNN report last night on the R/C glow powered ornithopter ? Two profs at a univ. in N.Y. state ? Didn't catch the location, have been working on it for 20 years. It looks like a boxy standard class glider, the engine is out of sight inside the fuselage, driving the outboard flapping wing sections through some sort of reciprocating linkage that wasn't deducible from the pictures . Control is by conventional elev. and rudder. Mating the high rpm glow engine with the low cyclic rate of the wings with a durable mechanism must have been a real project in itself, but the upshot is that this thing really flies well. CNN usually repeats their science & technology portion of the news over several days, so be on the lookout for this report. Terry
501.10		SA1794::TENEROWICZT		`Tue Nov 19 1991 11:13`	14
	Terry, I saw a short clip. I thought they were from Onterio? Anyways... They did go into some discussion about what is different on their design as opposed to a real bird. In that a rral birds wing shape changes from out streatched to close to it's body during the wing beating process. Their design used a different principle of allowing the wing to flex a bit. They did a lot of wind tunnel experiments to get the proper amount of flex to allow the wing to lift and propel the design. Tom
501.11	Ornithopter coverage on CNN	ZENDIA::REITH	Jim Reith DTN 226-6102 - LTN2-1/F02	`Mon Nov 25 1991 08:45`	10
	I generally watch CNN's Science and Technology week on sundays. This weekend they had an expanded segment on the ornithopter. It looked like an oldtimer freeflight but the wings were VERY flexible and articulated near the cabin. The flapping was induced by the cabin area moving up and down and the wing struts supporting the hinged areas. The design and wind tunnel processes were talked about and it appeared that if the engine stopped flapping the wings, it would glude quite well. High aspect wings with a stiff leading edge and purely an up and down movement with the trailing edge flexing to provide the lift. A very interesting 10 minute segment.
501.12	RC Flying wing on CNN	ZENDIA::REITH	Jim Reith DTN 226-6102 - LTN2-1/F02	`Fri Dec 20 1991 08:32`	11
	CNN Science & Technology had a brief note last night on a guy (famous theoretical aerodynamist) that built an RC plane which has a asymetrical wing. The plane has a straight wing which is swept about 60 degrees to the forward motion. Looked like he was flying it with a JR X-347 from the switches shown. It was a neat flying wing with two fins and no fuselage. He feels that this will lead to better flighht characteristics in trans and hypersonic flight. CNN has a half hour S&T week in review on sundays at 12:30. It will probably be expanded there (that was how I saw the ornithopter a couple of weeks back)
501.13		SA1794::TENEROWICZT		`Fri Dec 20 1991 09:42`	8
	Jim, Two years ago, my club ran a building contest using the Balsa USA Stick kit. One flyer built it stock except for a forward swepted wing It really flew well. Seemed stable and very controlable at lower speeds. I'd guess he had about 25 degree of swept in each wing panel. Tom
501.14	Whole (straight) wing flys at and angle	RGB::MINER	Dan Miner, DTN:225-4015, HLO2-1/J12 (@ H11)	`Fri Dec 20 1991 13:35`	15
	This is _NOT_ a forward swept flying wing. It is a flying wing flying at an angle. Imagine a Gremlin with the right wing flying ahead of the left wing. In other words, forward sweep on the right wing, rear sweep on the left wing. Looks weird. _____ \| \ \| \ Silent POWER! _ ___________ _________ \| Happy Landings! \| \ \| \| \| \| \| \|--------\|- SANYO + ]-\| ASTRO \|--\| - Dan Miner \|_/ \|___________\| \|_________\| \| \ \| \| " The Earth needs more OZONE, \ \| not Castor Oil!! " \_____\|
501.15		MPGS::REITH	Jim (MPGS::) Reith - DTN 237-3045 SHR3-1/U32	`Tue Dec 12 1995 08:58`	10
	Another show on Model Airplanes This morning at 5am on Fox 25 (Boston) I saw National Geographic: On Assignment and they were showing some guy flying what looked to be an Ugly Stick with a video camera on it (similar to what Rich Bono has). I only saw the end of the segment but it looked interesting. They switched between ground and air video. Don't know if there's a repeat scheduled but it was interesting while surfing through the coverage of the big fire last night. Jim
501.16	Up in the morning and out to school...	GAAS::FISHER	BXB2-2/G08 DTN 293-5695	`Tue Dec 12 1995 12:15`	13
	><<< Note 501.15 by MPGS::REITH "Jim (MPGS::) Reith - DTN 237-3045 SHR3-1/U32" >>> > >Another show on Model Airplanes > >This morning at 5am on Fox 25 (Boston) I saw National Geographic: On I can only assume he was up at 5:00AM working on my new Gremlin :-) Bye --+-- Kay R. Fisher \| ---------------O--------------- ################################################################################

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501.0. "RC gets some publicity" by AKOV11::CAVANAGH (We don&#039;t need no stinkin badges!) Tue Mar 29 1988 18:08

501.0. "RC gets some publicity" by AKOV11::CAVANAGH (We don't need no stinkin badges!) Tue Mar 29 1988 18:08