Conference terri::cars_uk

car is priced at 299,999 pounds plus annual rate of inflation until delivered
plus car tax plus VAT.

Tom Walkinshaw (Jaguar Sport) took over 1000 orders together with cash/draft 
deposits of 57 grand each = almost 60 millions in one morning.

Folk that had orders accepted were given a contract stating that the production
line would be srapped after the 333rd model was completed (three cars will be 
used for type approval).

Punters will be notified by the end of February if they will be allowed to buy
the car. Rumours are that only RHD cars will be made.

The value of the deposit has already doubled (assuming car will be delivered),
so there's plenty of people with the readies available...


...Art.

Glad to hear about the RHD only. There was a time when ALL quality cars
were RHD ...

Mark

the reason for RHD only was (hopefully) to prevent speculators from buying
the car with the sole intention to export it at a huge profit.

The engine does not comply with US emissions laws (a further prevention),
but money will surely overcome this hurdle. Wonder how many would actually be
put on the open road anyway...



...Art.

Re: .27

> The engine does not comply with US emissions laws (a further prevention),

When do they plan to deliver this car?  From 1992 EC emissions laws will
almost certainly be as strict as the US laws.

jb

	Current price �367,000. The 'lucky' few have been selected,
	so there's no need to rush anymore.

	-John

	OK you disappointed purchasers now's your chance for the big
	killing.

	Despite the fact that they haven't got the original supercar
	out yet, jaguar have now announced another even more expensive
	model.

	The XJR9 (?) is a sort of road going version of the group C
	car and will weigh in at around �400,000 apparently, to genuine
	enthusiasts only ie. through personal application. Purchase
	will entitle you to do your best to destroy the little goldmine
	by giving automatic entry to a series of circuit races, purely
	for the new model. 

	Make your discreet enquiries now. Personally I think I'll see
	what the new Bugatti looks like before committing.

	-John

    
    Right,
    
    At last my chance has come to take Derek on in the Group K
    series. 
    
    I reckon this should be just the 'kit' I need to take those Ultimas
    on! :^)
    
    Mark

    
    It's not being produced by Jag is it.  I'd read that this was an old 
    TWR project that was temporarily shelved when the XJ220 was announced,
    but has been bought forward again.  And that Jaguar didn't admit they
    knew anything about it.  
    
    It could well make the XJ220 look a bit silly.
    
    Not forgetting 'The Race' with huge prize money if you buy one.  (I
    reckon that is so TWR can make more money producing spares, body shells,
    etc...)
    
    Nigel
    

Re: 
>        will entitle you to do your best to destroy the little goldmine
>        by giving automatic entry to a series of circuit races, purely
>        for the new model. 

I read that the prize offered is a refund of the purchase price. Dunno if 
this meant overall winner of the series or on a per race meeting basis :-)

Dave

    Is this beast being made by TWR or Jaguarsport. I know its one and the same
    but its the difference between it being a Jaguar or a TWR car.
    
    	Garry

    
    As reported by Autocar...
    
    Car will be called "R9R"    
    TWR will manufacture the car using the 7.0litre V12.
    The chassis, transmission, brakes etc will be similar to the XJR9LM
    It will sell for �700,000
    The purchasers will be entitled to enter a race, either with them
    driving or a nominee on their behalf. First prize, �1M
    There is already a running model, road legal, being driven around
    Kiddlington. It has the registration TOM 4. 
    
    Tom was smiling.....

    It seems strange to me that this has only just made the papers.
    Surely a number of people must have known about this ages ago?
    Maybe Tom knows his days running WSPC for Jaguar are coming to
    an end? 
    

    
    When and where will the race be? This could be fun! 
    
    � Maybe Tom knows his days running WSPC for Jaguar are coming to
    � an end? 
    
    Is this just conjecture? Hopefully so. Maybe it's just a good way
    for TWR and/or Jaguar to make a few bob back on their investment
    in their, now redundant V12 Group C machinery. Or maybe it's to
    fund a new 2 race V12 machine (For Daytona and Le Mans)?
    
    Mark

	�700,000 is it, oh well there's a lot of inflation about
	nowadays. I'm just popping out to get one before they reach
	a million.

	Wasn't the official price of the F40 originally �153,000.

	-John

    
Re .36
�    � Maybe Tom knows his days running WSPC for Jaguar are coming to
�    � an end? 
�    Is this just conjecture? Hopefully so.    

    It is conjecture - but I don't imagine TW was very happy at being
    made to use the Ford V8, particularly when he had a 3.5 v12 under
    development. And as an independent man, he must be finding Ford and 
    John Barnard a rather different proposition than Sir John Egan.

            
�                                         Maybe it's just a good way
�    for TWR and/or Jaguar to make a few bob back on their investment
�    in their, now redundant V12 Group C machinery. Or maybe it's to
�    fund a new 2 race V12 machine (For Daytona and Le Mans)?
    
    It would be nice wouldn't it. Unfortunately..... 
    There is no provision under the new Group C regs for any normally
    apsirated car, other than 3.5 litre ones.
    
    

    Re :-
    
�    The purchasers will be entitled to enter a race, either with them
�    driving or a nominee on their behalf. First prize, �1M
    
    If I can spare the 700K to buy the car, I think I would be prepared
    to gamble another 300K to pay Senna (or some other top F1 driver) to
    take my place in the race.  If I (they) won, I could pay them and
    keep the care for free...
    
    I did read (in CAR this month) that Senna is reputedly paid 500K per
    race this season.  Surely, he would like to show his hand in some other
    form of racing for suitable remuneration ?
    
    John Rutter ( can anyone lend me one million pounds, please ? )
    
    
    

    
    � It would be nice wouldn't it. Unfortunately..... 
    � There is no provision under the new Group C regs for any normally
    � apsirated car, other than 3.5 litre ones.
    
    Le Mans should be fun, though. What price a privateer Spice win or
    maybe even the ADA! FISA WILL back down if they don't get enough
    serious entries for Le Mans as it is, and will remain, the jewel
    in the WSC. Witness the number of people at WSPC races compared
    with the crowd at Le Mans (even in terms of proportion - Le Mans
    crowds went up, everywhere else they went down!).
    
    I'll be suprised if some sort of special rule isn't applied to
    Le Mans.
    
    Mark

    According to an article in Fast Lane (December issue),
    the Walkinshaw Jaguar will only be sold as a race car now.
    
    Reason stated was 'pressure from Jaguar factory', who
    seem none to pleased at the way this car would out-perform
    the XJ220...
    
    Also, Porsche will not now produce a road-going version
    of their 962 - due to general public opinion on environmental issues.
    
    J.R.

    
    
    The reason for the R9 (now XJR-15 or somesuch I think) not being
    sold as "road-going" was the need for type approval tests. To
    complete the type approval tests you have to "write-off" a number
    of cars. With very limited production this didn't make much sense
    to TW, so he's selling the cars for "racing" only.
    
    However, as the car conforms to all the "construction and use"
    regulations, it would be quite possible to register it as a kit
    car. 
    

    
    The XJ220 recently broke the old Nurburgring production car record in the
    hands of John Nielsen (Or was it Andy Wallace?). The record was broken
    by quite a hefty margin and Jaguar CLAIM that the car was running on OE
    tyres rather than some racing specials. Sounds like fun, eh?
    
    Mark

    
    A chat with a good friend over the weekend (his wife works at TWR) 
    revealed that TWR/Jaguarsport are developing a successor to the 220.  
    Tom W. is currently in the process of hiring a team to manage the project. 
    
    Initial plans are for a power unit to be supplied by a little company
    who work out of Milton Keynes.........
    
    
    Nev.

	The Times at the weekend had an interesting article about
	the fate of the XJ220. 350 cars were planned and 1500 people 
	applied. Production was stopped at 280 cars and 78 remain 
	unsold.

	In an out of court settlement 10 aspiring owners (more likely
	speculators) have agreed to pay �100,000 each for the right 
	of not having to buy the car. This would be in excess of the
	�50,000 deposit they paid initially. The 1,150 disappointed  
	punters seem to have vapourised and there are 78 cars left
	at a knockdown price of �250,000 (I bet you could do a deal
	on it) instead of the �400,000 that it was.

	Earlier in this note it was speculated as to how the car would
	be a worth a million by the year 2000. I disputed this and 
	said �100,000. Unfortunately those replies have been deleted.

	However I'm definitely winning the argument. It seems the 
	going rate "might be �190,000" according to the Times.

	By some quirk of fate the same page included a report on 
	one of the few cars that can out accelerate the 220 and this
	example only costs �25,000 - the Caterham SE8. This 4.3 
	litre Lotus 7 was described by Jeremy Whotsit as lethal, 
	the XJ220 was just lethal to your wallet.

	-John_I_told_you_so

    Ahem, puleeeez...
    
    Westfield SEiGHT
    
    ;-)
    
    CHeers,
    Dan

    
    Only got to drop another 170 grand and I'll be off to get one :^)
    
    Mark

�	Earlier in this note it was speculated as to how the car would
�	be a worth a million by the year 2000. I disputed this and 
�	said �100,000. Unfortunately those replies have been deleted.
        
        Well at the risk of embarassing other regular contributors
        the notes have not been deleted, they are in the archive
        conference (with all the other pre 1990 notes).
        
        	TIMMII::CARS_UK_ARCHIVE   (<KP7> to add)
        
        Ian.

Thanks to Ian for the KP7 stuff....
    
    
    This note is re-posted for John (.46) so he can bathe in glory :-)
    
    Royston (co-mod)
    
    
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	Well at 15% interest rates �250,000 equates to �1,011,389.43�p
	in ten years time.

	My estimate for it's value then is �100,000. Buy one if you wish,
	but don't use it that'd make it worth even less!.

	-John
    

    Some of the cars might find their way into the BPR GT championship. 
    TWR have prepared a number of chassis: slightly detuned engine, light
    chassis, etc ... competitive price if I remember well. Now, the car has
    to prove against the usual McLaren GTR, F40 and Porsches.