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Conference ssdevo::4wd

Title:4 Wheel Drive
Notice:Welcome to 4WD's new home! = 399
Moderator:TARKIN::LINMAN
Created:Fri Mar 13 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1639
Total number of notes:30449

335.0. "GM 700R4 TRANNIES" by WLDWST::BROGDEN () Tue Jan 12 1988 14:33

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335.1Welcome To My NightmareTIGER::HHARDMANAt least I'm enjoyin' the ride...Tue Jan 12 1988 15:2262
335.2GM Trannys Not So GoodAKOV85::JNAJARIANWed Jan 13 1988 11:2412
335.3ConversionsWLDWST::BROGDENWed Jan 13 1988 11:3216
335.4Bigger IS BetterTIGER::HHARDMANAt least I'm enjoyin' the ride...Wed Jan 13 1988 12:5528
335.5Secret Warranties?TIGER::HHARDMANAt least I'm enjoyin' the ride...Wed Jan 13 1988 13:4653
335.6Tranny Switch KitANGORA::HHARDMANAt least I'm enjoyin' the ride...Thu Jan 14 1988 06:5119
335.7No problem with 86COBRA::DUFFYThu Jan 14 1988 11:035
335.8My '87 has been great so far..AMULET::TAYLORThu Jan 14 1988 13:2115
335.9STUFFWLDWST::BROGDENThu Jan 14 1988 15:3215
335.10AMULET::TAYLORFri Jan 15 1988 06:3525
335.11Of S-10's and F-150'sANGORA::HHARDMANAt least I'm enjoyin' the ride...Fri Jan 15 1988 06:3514
335.12Its the cableNEXUS::DICKERSONFri Jan 15 1988 14:449
335.13AMULET::TAYLORMon Jan 18 1988 06:1210
335.14200 pan says "METRIC"SETH::WHYNOTMon Jan 18 1988 16:1716
335.15trans running strongMERLAN::DIFRUSCIAMon Apr 11 1988 11:4110
335.16700R4 Still BadAKOV85::JNAJARIANTue Apr 12 1988 08:4511
335.17Ooooohhhhh Noooooooo!!!MILVAX::HOTue Apr 12 1988 08:527
335.18Cooler is betterANGORA::HHARDMANThunderTrucks Ltd.Tue Apr 12 1988 09:065
335.19Lincoln Bail of the Everglades...58019::COREYTue Apr 12 1988 09:1115
335.201st gearLEDS::BEAULIEUThu May 19 1988 11:4417
335.21Time to be fixedDISCVR::LEEChevy 4x4+Mud=funSat Jun 02 1990 08:529
335.22It's probably tired of pulling those 38's aroundUSHS05::HARDMANWild Eyed Southern BoyTue Jun 05 1990 14:116
335.23It likes 38.DISCVR::LEETue Jun 05 1990 15:146
335.24Just wasn't locking upUSHS05::HARDMANWild Eyed Southern BoyWed Jun 06 1990 11:408
335.25Maybe i'll get one.DISCVR::LEEWed Jun 06 1990 15:286
335.26I'm not Harry, but....LEDDEV::LINDI know I can do betterThu Jun 07 1990 12:526
335.27In a warehouse somewhere in Houston...USHS05::HARDMANWild Eyed Southern BoyThu Jun 07 1990 14:096
335.28Whirring Noise. O.K. or you better fix it dealer!BSS::GUTZMERMon Dec 10 1990 18:4018
335.29Make 'em prove that they all do it!USHS05::HARDMANThunderTrucks of TexasTue Dec 11 1990 07:1023
335.30Ford parts?LEDDEV::LINDA 13 second time slip? Now I have one!Tue Dec 11 1990 13:485
335.31If it were a horse, would you shoot it yet? :-)MVDS01::SHAWNone received, none givenWed Dec 12 1990 13:3113
335.32Just go to the top and work down!!!BSS::GUTZMERWed Dec 12 1990 16:5919
335.33Dealers are lower than whale guano.MVDS01::SHAWNone received, none givenThu Dec 13 1990 10:319
335.34Take it to a place that doesn't use the book!!BSS::GUTZMERWed Feb 20 1991 10:2815
335.35Must have been bad ears!CGVAX2::MORTENSONWed Feb 20 1991 10:326
335.36Never to return!!!!!BSS::GUTZMERWed Feb 20 1991 12:167
335.37They should be good at their jobs!BROKE::TAYLORPlease don't annoy George Bush!Wed Feb 20 1991 20:0914
335.38KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Thu Feb 21 1991 09:0513
335.39MVDS01::SHAWSigns signs, everywhere there's signs, fuThu Feb 21 1991 11:0311
335.40Price of bullet proof 700R4..?OSLLAV::EGILK_PSat Mar 16 1991 11:4715
335.41Not cheap!HSOMAI::HARDMANThunderTrucks of TexasSat Mar 16 1991 18:4411
335.42How to make it bullet proof?OSLLAV::EGILK_PWed Mar 20 1991 11:3831
335.43tranny fluid changeSALEM::MACGREGORTue Jun 09 1992 10:174
335.444 plus about a half...HYDRA::BURGESSWater dependentTue Jun 09 1992 14:2116
335.45Buy a case anyway ?HYDRA::BURGESSWater dependentTue Jun 09 1992 14:259
335.46Most of it can't be drained by removing the panHSOMAI::HARDMANLife's too short to drive a HondaTue Jun 09 1992 19:487
335.47change through the tranny lines?SALEM::MACGREGORWed Jun 10 1992 06:3814
335.48Hydraulic mixer...HSOMAI::HARDMANLife's too short to drive a HondaWed Jun 10 1992 08:396
335.49pain in the butt, eh?SALEM::MACGREGORWed Jun 10 1992 10:024
335.50Best you can do is dilute the old with the newHSOMAI::HARDMANLife's too short to drive a HondaWed Jun 10 1992 21:109
335.51didn't work as plannedSALEM::MACGREGORThu Jun 11 1992 07:2912
335.52What a bummerVISE::LEVESQUENever ever enoughMon Jun 15 1992 10:076
335.53mine made it to 62,000 before problemsSALEM::MACGREGORTue Jun 16 1992 09:0210
335.54Chevy Blazer Transmission Problem/Question.ROCK::SMITHWed Jun 17 1992 10:1230
335.55replaced one 2 days ago....CSC32::J_KALINOWSKIForget NAM?....NEVER!Wed Jun 17 1992 11:537
335.56700R4 failureSALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 06 1992 07:4511
335.57replace with TH350SALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 06 1992 09:188
335.58Frequent fluid changes prolong lifeCSLALL::JEGREENOnly lead dogs get scenery changesMon Jul 06 1992 11:1814
335.59another one bites the dustBROKE::TAYLORThe tie goes to the 18-wheelerMon Jul 06 1992 11:3715
335.60taller but thinner tiresSALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 06 1992 12:0214
335.61I'd look for a used 700R4HSOMAI::HARDMANLife's too short to drive a HondaMon Jul 06 1992 22:589
335.62In a roundabout way I'll gain mileageSALEM::MACGREGORTue Jul 07 1992 07:1110
335.63GIAMEM::JGRADYGROUND POUNDERSTue Jul 07 1992 07:175
335.64TH350 not as nice as 700R4 for towingCSLALL::JEGREENOnly lead dogs get scenery changesTue Jul 07 1992 07:2811
335.65different gear ratios?SALEM::MACGREGORTue Jul 07 1992 07:415
335.66'83 Escort? Slower than slow...HSOMAI::HARDMANLife's too short to drive a HondaTue Jul 07 1992 07:5514
335.67SOLVIT::THOMSRoss 285-3151Tue Jul 07 1992 08:0511
335.68Hopefully this will last awhile.SALEM::MACGREGORTue Jul 07 1992 08:4312
335.69Not exactly stump pulling gearsCSLALL::JEGREENOnly lead dogs get scenery changesTue Jul 07 1992 09:178
335.70Goodbye 700R4SALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 13 1992 07:017
335.71worthy investmentSALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 13 1992 07:033
335.72address of garageSALEM::MACGREGORMon Jul 13 1992 08:558
335.73GMC Transmissions SPEZKO::SMITHRecreational pCYCLEpath...Mon Oct 19 1992 18:5725
335.74Sounds familiar.....VISE::LEVESQUENever ever enoughTue Oct 20 1992 07:327
335.75MILPND::MAYParts LocatorFri Oct 23 1992 10:1810
335.76SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Fri Feb 25 1994 08:0139
335.77sounds like there is a problem with Rte. 93SALEM::MACGREGORWaco, a modern day Alamo?Mon Feb 28 1994 08:128
335.78SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Mon Feb 28 1994 09:2425
335.79How much???ELWOOD::DYMONThu Mar 03 1994 09:015
335.80SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Thu Mar 03 1994 09:534
335.81CSOA1::MATSCHERZThu Mar 03 1994 10:284
335.82 Way off the subject matter... but hey.SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Thu Mar 03 1994 11:137
335.83A 700r4 is a good tranny, isn't it?WFOV11::KOEHLERWFO-DEC Not for sale anymoreThu Mar 03 1994 13:077
335.84yes on adapter kitSALEM::MACGREGORWaco, a modern day Alamo?Mon Mar 07 1994 07:525
335.85need a new tranny???FABSIX::B_LAZZARALike a rockTue May 20 1997 04:408
    After coming off the on-ramp and merging with traffic, I noticed my
    truck would not accelerate at all. Then after a 1/2 mile or so the
    truck was responsive to the throttle. Am I correctly assuming that my
    tranny is slipping? The vehicle is an '86 Blazer with 700r4 tranny.
    The problem is only intermittant. I need help diagnosing the problem in
    order to fix it myself. Worse case, how involved would it be to change
    trannies. I like the 700r4 for trailering my ski boat so I would
    replace it with a rebuilt 700. Any help is appreciated.
335.86JULIET::ROYERGreening up our lives.Tue May 20 1997 09:437
    If you pulled any kind of G-FORCE on the on ramp ---- perhaps you are
    just low on tranny fluid.  
    
    First, change fluid and filter, then go for the larger $$$$MONEY$$$$
    swap job.
    
    Dave
335.87Coupla more suggestions/pointers... ref 335.85BRAT::J_GALLAGHERTue May 20 1997 12:5522
    I agree with the routine servicing.  If it has over 35K miles, it's
    due...ESPECIALLY if you consistently tow loads over 1.5Klbs. 
    
    Also have the service done at a tranny shop like AAMCO and have them
    re-adjust all the clutch and band settings to factory specs. 
    Don't let them snow you about non-adjustable electronically controlled 
    tranny's.  They ALL are adjustable until the  clutches and bands wear 
    out completely, and yours is probably due.
    
    If the servicing doesn't help, the 700 is a computer controlled tranny,
    and the engine has Fuel Injection, go for a new throttle position
    sensor, (on the engine, at the pivot point where the throttle linkage
    hooks up).  It is often the cause of a tranny either `hunting' for the 
    right gear or not responding to your demands through the accelerator. 
    
    If it is not a computer controlled, F.I. vehicle, then have the
    kick-down (passing gear/downshift) linkage checked out... it could
    have fallen off or broken.
    
    Regards,
    
    John
335.88off to AAMCOFABSIX::B_LAZZARALike a rockTue May 20 1997 19:218
         Thanks John and Dave, I saw an advertisement for AAMCO and they'll
    do a free diagnostic. From your information, my tranny isn't shot or in
    need of replacement, just a tightening up of the clutches. My concern
    is how much should I expect to pay? In the WANT ADVERTISER a company is
    selling bluprinted and rebuilt 700's and turbo 350's for $450.00 with a
    two year warranty. Invest money in the old or go for the rebuilt?
    Additional info in my truck, 350 4-barrel, 700r4 tranny with over 100k.
    I guess its off to AAMCO. Thanks for your replies.
335.89A few things to consider re. tune-up vs exchange..BRAT::J_GALLAGHERWed May 21 1997 09:2950
    Ref .88
    
    Wow! Only $450 for blueprinted and rebuilt 700's?  I just rebuilt a 
    Volvo (British built Borg-W) 2 years ago and it cost me $1200.00!!!
    
    If that's an exchanged and installed price, I think I'd buy one if the
    tune up on your old one doesn't work out to your satisfaction.  But 
    first, a coupla thoughts...
    
    - If your 700 is leaking AT ALL, it'll continue to leak... don't bother
    to tune it up... go for the rebuilt with all new seals and innards 
    and service it regularly (more on that later).
    
    The rebuild shop is a local outfit, not a national chain.  Guarantee or
    no, when it breaks, YOU gotta get your vehicle from where it broke to
    THEIR shop, which could be a "forget it" proposition if you happen to
    be in Bum Fork, Montana. 
    
    As for Turbo 350's... light duty...primarily CAR tranny... wouldn't use
    'em in ANYTHING requiring punishment (either a truck or a street-rod).  
    Turbo 400's are the ONLY way to go.  The only 3 speed automatics that 
    could take lots of abuse were built by Chrysler and Ford, not GM.
    
    A 700 is a true TRUCK duty automatic.  I seriously doubt she's shot yet,
    but if she's never been serviced in 100K mi., the lifespan, (should be 
    over 250Kmi. with routine servicing), may have been shortened somewhat
    from clogged filter reduced servo pressures etc. which makes clutches 
    slip and wear.  But I wouldn't think there are any major problems in 
    your 700 unless you've been ignoring the sloppy/slippy shifting and 
    never bothered to check the fluid for a loooong time (like over a coupla
    months).  
    
    It seems that automatics that are serviced regularly tend to last
    forever... I had an old K-car that's still out there with the original
    tranny AND engine and it's got OVER 250K on it... but I changed the oil
    and filter and added 4oz of Slick 50 every 3K mi., and I serviced and 
    adjusted the tranny to spec. every 35-40K. The trans showed no signs 
    of slipping or sloppy shifts, and the tranny guys always commented how 
    clean everything was inside. 
    
    To answer your question...
    
    A tuneup and fluid/filter change should only run $50-$75 depending on
    how many quarts of fluid and filter prices.  Look for a trans-tuneup 
    special or cupon in the papers from one of the major chain shops... that
    way it's covered all over the U.S. if they screw up.
    
    Regards,
    
    John
335.90The quote will decide...FABSIX::B_LAZZARALike a rockWed May 21 1997 23:0213
         Thanks for your reply John. I purchased the truck 2 1/2 years ago
    and have put less than 20k on it. At the time of purchase, I was told
    all the fluids in the vehicle were changed (to include the tranny). I
    verified this by unscrewing the plug and checking for color,etc.. The
    price for the rebuilt is with exchange BUT NOT installed. That's why I
    origionally posted the note to inquire if this is a fairly straight
    forward replacement or a pro only install. I appreciate the guestimate
    figure as a point of reference when I take it to AAMCO on Friday. If
    the cost is close to what you said with no major damage, I'll
    definately have them service it for the reasons you listed. If the cost
    exceeds 150-200$, I'll seriously take a look at replacement.
    
                                                                Barry
335.91Good Decision, Barry ref .90BRAT::J_GALLAGHERThu May 22 1997 10:2311
    Right decision, Barry.
    
    Slide under the vehicle and check for leaks of the red fluid...dampness
    doesn't count, but droplets and soaked chassis/driveline componens 
    aft of the leak site DO.  Also, check the fluid cooling lines up to your 
    radiator or auxiliary cooler in FRONT of the A/C condensor & radiator
    for leaks... if anything's wet or leaking, have it fixed NOW.
    
    Best of luck,
    
    John