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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1621.0. "Engine help needed" by NACAD2::WFIELD () Sun Aug 21 1994 17:39

    I'm having a problem with the OS .32 in my Concept 30 Helicopter that
    is driving me crazy. I am unable to get a needle
    valve setting that will allow the engin to run for more than half a
    tank of fuel. Twice now I have had the engine quit at tree top level
    and the model still had half a tank of fuel when it came down.
    At the start of each flight the engine is running as rich as I can
    possibly make it and still get off the ground.
    I've checked to see if the clunk weight in the
    tank had come undone, it's OK. All the fuel tubing is new also. I've
    checked everything for air leaks and everything seems OK to me. I was
    wondering if maybe I am having a problem with the fuel "foaming"in the
    tank. If so, how can I tell and how can I cure it ?
    Any other suggestions ?
    
    Thanks
    Wayne
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1621.1strange problems, strange counteractionsJGODCL::CLEEUWMon Aug 22 1994 03:0213
    Hi Wayne,
    just my 2c on this.
    If I compare this with the large planes where the RC guys actually sits
    in the plane ;*) I wonder if you might have a low pressure in the tank
    that prevenst the fuel being sucked into the engine.
    Is pressure added on top of the fuel tank (or is this normally not
    required for this kinda engine) or is the fuel sucked out of the tank.
    If you susspect , as you call it "foaming" of the fuel, would it be
    possible to insert a small piece of material in the tank that keeps the
    fuel calm (like a small balsa piece that floats on the fuel and levels
    it). Yes I agree this sound silly but who nows the starnger the
    problem, the stranger theactions to solve it.
    Cheers - Cees 
1621.2Most likely an air leakSNAX::SMITHI FEEL THE NEEDMon Aug 22 1994 08:1312
    Could be a foaming problem but you should be able to see that on the
    ground. If the tank is hidden by the body, take the body off, tie the
    chopper down and run it up to full throttle. If it's foaming, you'll
    see it.
    
    Check again for air leaks. Especially the fuel line "inside" the tank.
    You'll have to remove it to check it. If it has a hole or split, the
    engine will run normally as long as the hole/split is below the fuel
    level. As you use fuel and the fuel level drops, the hole/split becomes
    exposed and starts sucking air. If you ALWAYS have about a half tank of
    fuel left when it does this, I would STRONGLY suspect a leak in the
    line inside the tank.
1621.3More info.LEVERS::WFIELDMon Aug 22 1994 12:2816
    
    RE .1
    Yes it is hooked up to muffler pressure, and I have checked to be sure
    that the lines are not swapped. I have also presurized the tank with a
    fuel bulb and checked all connections for leaks.
    
    RE .2
    I suspected a split in the line inside the tank as well. However I am
    able to richen up the mixture, and it runs fine below a half tank. I
    just can't get a needle valve setting that will remain constant through
    out the entire tank. Probably the smart thing to do at this point is to
    remove the tank and replace the line inside the tank. I guess I have
    just been resisting doing this because the tank is brand new, and it is
    such a pain to get at.
    
    Wayne
1621.4Check Tank HeightLEDS::WATTMon Aug 22 1994 12:467
    Wayne,
    	Tank height is important.  If it is too low, you will go lean as
    the level goes down.  The tank should be located even with the needle
    valve assembly.
    
    Charlie
    
1621.5Fuel problem????STOHUB::JETRGR::EATONDan Eaton St.Louis,MO,USA, 445-6522Mon Aug 22 1994 13:255
Wayne,
Have you tried some different fuel? I had simular problems when I tried a gallon
of Rich's Brew fuel I switched to Cool Power and had no more problems.

Dan Eaton
1621.6Last but not leastSALEM::DEANTue Aug 30 1994 12:525
    If after you have found no problems with the fuel tank and all the hook
    ups, (or fixed them all) an still have the problem, try a new plug.
    
    Dennis