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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1433.0. "Rohacell" by N25480::FRIEDRICHS (Keep'm straight 'n level) Mon Jun 15 1992 17:30

    Yesterday I won a package of C.S.T.'s Rohacell.  This is a thin
    material, with a consistency much like the thin foam that you wrap
    things in to protect them.  It is ~1/16" thick.  The piece I got was
    about 4" square.
    
    My question: What do I do with it??
    
    I used to have a CST catalog but I can't find it.  Does anyone have
    any information on what this would be used for??  Has anyone used the
    stuff??
    
    Depending on its qualities, I might use it in strips, imbedded
    vertically on wing panel joints of foam core wings.  I can't think of
    any other use for it!
    
    Thanks!
    jeff
    
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1433.1Rohacell foamUNYEM::BLUMJMon Jun 15 1992 17:4210
    The only place I have seen a piece of Rohacell that small used was
    glued to the inside of a VS sailplanes XICA fin, to provide additional
    stiffness to the fiberglass.  
    
    It sounds like what you got is a sample of the material.
    
                                            
                                                        Regards,
    
                                                        Jim
1433.2There is some info buried in here somewhereHANNAH::REITHJim HANNAH:: Reith DSG1/2E6 235-8039Mon Jun 15 1992 17:488
I've read articles (and heard from Terry T) that they've made hollow spars by 
starting with a box structure of this stuff and adding CF and fiberglass to 
make a very rigid, light structure. I was somewhat surprised when I saw the 
small size of your piece.

Bob Kaplow used to use it and actually took the CST coupons I had for it last 
year. There was a discussion about it's uses in here (somewhere). Alas, he's 
moved on.
1433.3Rohacell usesRGB::MINERDan Miner, DTN:225-4015, HLO2-1/J12 (@ H11)Mon Jun 15 1992 18:3125
    As I understand it, Rohacell isn't used for strengen as much as it's
    used for light weight filler.  Let me explain...

    If you have a foam wing with no sheeting, it's pretty flexible and
    usually isn't strong enough.  (Gremlin's excepted :-)  But, when you
    add balsa or fiberglass (or carbon or Kevlar or Spectra or ...) then
    the COMPOSITE structure is very strong.  The strength actually comes
    from the sheeting material, NOT the foam.  The foam is there simply
    to act as a filler to keep the sheeting in the proper place.

    Thus, Rohacell is just filler to keep the "strong" materials in a
    composite structure the correct distance from each other.  Since
    Rohacell only comes in thin sheets (and is not hot wire cuttable as
    far as I know), it is used for areas that it isn't desirable to have
    foam filling the entire area and it is possible to put fiberglass on
    both sides of the Rohacell.

    In other words, a piece of Rohacell with a layer of 3 oz. cloth on
    both sides will be stronger than 2 (or 3 or maybe 4 or 5) layers of
    just 3 oz. glass cloth.

    For a clearer explaination of this, get Jack Lambie's (sp?) book on
    composite construction from Zenith Aviation Books.

                                - Dan
1433.4CXDOCS::TAVARESJohn-Stay low, keep movingTue Jun 16 1992 10:519
How is this material used?  Sounds like it might be laid up like FG
cloth using resin or epoxy.  Interesting.

I think SIG makes some material that you soften with lacquer thinner
or dope then form around an object like a cowling blank.  Its sort of
cardboard looking and when it dries its the shape of the blank and can
be removed.  You would have to give it a little structure with FG
cloth or something, but it sounds like the Rohacell (sp) of this
topic.  
1433.5Like Styropor only betterMINNY::MUELLERAThu Jun 18 1992 08:057
    We used Rohacell (Dow Corning makes the stuff) very much like styropor.
    That means cuting it with a hot wire. Additionally it can be sanded
    grinded and drilled, which styropor can't. Finaly Rohacell can be
    coated directly with fiberglass (epoxy) without having to have a layer
    of (abachi)wood inbetween, because styropor would melt. Make the whole
    plane (you should get blocks of it, it's used for isolation in buildings) 
    out of this material.
1433.6Its a "common" material for them hi-tech wingsBZERKR::DUFRESNEVAXKLR - You make'em, I break'emTue Aug 25 1992 10:1710
Rohacell is widely used in Europe for making wings, especially for them hi-tech
gliders.

The basic technique requires that you make a mold for the wing.
You them make a sandwich of carbon fiber or FG, then the rohacell, then an other 
layer of Carbon fider or FG. vacumm bagging is then used to form the wing.

The result is tough, light, expensive and very precise.

Marc Dufresne
1433.7Welcome back!STOHUB::JETRGR::EATONDan Eaton St.Louis,MO,USA, 445-6522Tue Aug 25 1992 11:185
Hi Mark,
I did a double take when I saw your name. With so many of the old timers leaving
in the past year or so its a pleasure to see you back.

Dan Eaton