Conference turris::mechanix_3

    Do certain Chrysler-built engines have a higher-than-average rate of
    oil consumption?  My 1991 Plymouth Acclaim 2.5L (I-4) has always needed
    oil between changes and now, with 107K+ miles on it, seems to consume
    about a quart every 700 miles, perhaps less.  In contrast, an
    older Chevrolet Celebrity 2.5L of ours with 140K+ miles burns next to 
    none at all.  What gives?  Poor quality control?
    
    M

    I have a Dodge Spirit (2.5 L Turbo) so far, no oil burning and it is
    just a bit shy of 190K miles.  Runs like a (raped ape), and I have had
    no major problems.
    
    My chevy cav, (2X) both used about 1 qt every 2k miles.  
    
    Dodge gets 20-50 Turbo rated oil, and in the winter has a heater on the
    oil to help keep it thinner.
    
    Dave

My '84 2.6L (Mitsu) motor burns about a quart every 2K.
It has about 160K on it and has done this since new 
according to first owner (140K miles).

Jeff

    my first and second-hand experience with a couple dozen new cars of
    varying makes over the past half-dozen years is that most engines from
    just about any manufacturer burn very little oil.. well under 1qt/3k .. 
    but some just burn a lot.. "many" manufacturers say anything under
    1qt/500mi is "normal" .. 
    
    Large numbers, long tail on the probability distribution..
    
    ...tom

My '93 Dodge Shadow with 2.5 TBI engine (and 75K miles) has begun to stall
occasionally. It stalls after it has warmed up.  It sometimes takes a lot of
cranking to get it  started again.

The computer gives no error codes.  The spark plugs are new.

I've only had this car about a half year, so I don't know its extended history.

It also idles a bit roughly.

Any suggestions of what to check?

Thanks,
Bob

Had problems with mine this spring - Idled rough, hesitated, stalled as it
warmed up. Fuel cleaner seems to have fixed it up.
			John

re Note 227.119 by LGP30::FLEISCHER:

        After the most recent stall I was able to pick up the
        computer codes 11 and 12.  Anyone know what they mean?

        Bob

    Do not recall seeing the 11 but the 12 for a 2.5 L turbo is "from
    memory"  Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor.  I have a lot of
    these little plastic tubes that go everywhere, I just find the one that
    is disconnected/broken, reconnect or replace it and that is usually it.
    I actually replaced the MAP sensor without a change.
    
    The turbo is nice, but a royal pain in the rectum to work on.
    
    Dave