Conference thebay::joyoflex

      And continuing:
      
      Dee-Jay <-- DJ <-- Disk Jockey
      
      Vee-Jay <-- VJ <-- Video Jockey
      
      Bee-Vee-Dees <-- BVDs <-- A brand name of underwear
      
      Vee-Dee-Bees <-- VDB <-- A 1909 Lincoln cent with the designer's
                               initials on it.

      Dave C.

    Whizziwag <-- WYSIWYG <-- What You See Is What You Get
    
    							Ann B.

Excuse me, but I always thought it was pronounced "wizzy wig", not
"wizzy wag".  This seems as good a time to ask as any, what does
"<WAG>" mean ??  I keep seeing it in the Trivia conference.

Back to wizzywig, I've always objected to the claim that certain
computer editor software are "what you see is what you get"
software.  What you see is NOT what you get:

o	You don't really get something only 24 lines long, even though
	that's all you SEE.

o	You don't really get something with a flashing box somewhere
	on it, even though that's what you SEE.

o	You don't really get something that's black background and
	white letters that light up even when the lights are out.

Granted, you may see more than an asterisk with these editors,
and you don't need to type -5T5T$$ all the time at them, but you
still don't see what you get !

/Eric

  <WAG> is "wild-assed guess."  See also <SWAG>, "scientific wild-assed
  guess."

  JP

Also,  Em-cee, from MC, Master of Ceremonies

I've heard of whizzi-mole-wig (WYSIMOLWYG), which is (of course):

		What You See Is More or Less What You Get

    Then there's WYGINS ("wiggins"), meaning What You Get Is No Surprise.
    
    Earl Wajenberg

    Then there's WYGIWYG ("wiggy-wig") - What You Get Is What You Got.
    
    -bs

Then, of course, there is  WYGIWYGIOMYOLYCFIEOHNRDWYWTG:

wiggi-wiggi-ohmy-ohly-cuffy-ohnerd-why-wittig 



"What you get is what you got, if, over many years of looking, you cannot 
find it elsewhere or have never really decided what you want to get."

    Jay are gee  -  my initials.
    
    What's the big deal about writing intials in phonetic form?
    A DJ is a DJ.
    
    Jeff.

    The growing concern that "What you see is ALL you get".
    

    Then there's NIGYSOB (NIGYSOB). "Now I've Got You, Son Of a Bitch"

     
    And when things turn out right that started out wrong -
    
    	A SABU
    
    	A self-adjusting-balls-up
    
    There was another I heard called a SNAFU - does anyone know that
    one?
    

    SNAFU came out of WW II - Situation Normal, All F***ed Up!

    
    
    	I first heard SNAFU while serving in the US Navy 15 years
    	ago. A clean form is 'Situation normal, all fouled up'. Of
    	course in the Navy we used the form in the previous note.
    	We also had an expansion of it.
    
    	SNAFU-DILLIGAF
    
    	'Situation normal, all f***ed up, do I look like I give a f***?'
    
    zack
    
    

    How could you forget FUBAR ?
    
    	(F***ed Up Beyond All Relief)
    
    (now spelled Foobar)
    
    I think this one comes from the military, also.
    

    re:.16
    
    I've always heard it as "...Beyond All Recognition".
    
    --- jerry

    Re .16, .17 (Jerry):
    
    The "F" in FUBAR, etc., can stand either for "F***ED" or "Fouled";
    the latter has been used plenty.
    
    The acronyms are:
    
    SNAFU (Situation Normal: All Fouled Up)
    TARFU (Things Are Really Fouled Up)
    FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition) [Yes, Jerry: that's the
           usual way]
    SAPFU (Surpassing All Previous Foul-Ups) 
    
    ... I mau have forgotten one or two.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    In college, we also used FUBB (Fouled Up Beyond Belief) quite a bit...

      See note 3.57, this conference.
      
      Dave C.

    QANGO is an odd case.  Although the letters are all uppercase,
    it's never spelled out (Q - A - N - G - O) and rarely pronouced
    word by word. From the (fairly recent, I think) day it was coined,
    QANGO (Quasi-Autonomous National Governmental Organization) has
    been one word.
    
    It's usually pronounced with a sneer (and seldom - except in the
    negative - by a government spoke ;-), but that's another story.

    b

    > by a government spoke

    re .21
    
    QuANGO stands for Quasi-Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisation.
    
    
    Quango's are bodies like the Milk Marketing Board, or (I think)
    the Arts Council. A Quango must have more than one member in order
    to operate, hence the phrase "It takes two to Quango.".
    
    Ian.

    	I thought that everyone knew that when there is a a fatal problem
    in accessing a Unibus address via the adaptor on the 11/780, the
    adaptor will store the Unibus address that had the problem in the
    
    Failed UniBus Address Register (FUBAR for short)
    
    for use in later problem diagnosis.
    
    	It is also worthy of note that RSX DECnet will sometimes return a
    status code of IE.NFW when a remote node is completely unreachable, but
    then RSX always liked cryptic error messages.

    re:.18
    
        
    > SNAFU (Situation Normal: All Fouled Up)
    > TARFU (Things Are Really Fouled Up)
    > SAPFU (Surpassing All Previous Foul-Ups) 
    
    OK, so now the challenge I submit to all JoyofLexers is to come
    up with an expansion of KUNGFU. :-)
    
    --- jerry

>    OK, so now the challenge I submit to all JoyofLexers is to come
>    up with an expansion of KUNGFU. :-)
    
Kan't Understand -- Nothing Got Fouled Up.        ;-)


(Or as they used to say "When everything seems to be going right, 
                         You're not aware of everything that's going on."

					>>>==>PStJTT

    re: .25
    
>   OK, so now the challenge I submit to all JoyofLexers is to come
>   up with an expansion of KUNGFU. :-)

    Known Universe Now Generally Fouled Up

    re .18;
    
    FIGMO (F*** It, Got My Orders!) was popular in USAF training
    establishments during the Viet Nam era. Receipt of written orders
    for your next duty assignment was a guarantee of graduation. They
    generally were issued a week or so prior to graduation.
    
    Persons taking an unusually blas� attitude toward training were
    described as being FIGMO.
    
    -dave

FIGMO used in Korea, 1956. Also USAF but I seem to remember it as a "joint 
military expression". Everyone in my section had a "FIGMO Calendar" to mark
off the days before going home. 

        Mike

re. the last couple:

When I was in the Army we had FIGMO and also FUBIS.  FUBIS wasn't quite 
acronymicly (:<)) correct, but stood for

	F*** You Buddy, I'm Short.

A short timer had a FUBIS attitude.

Larry
RA12618855

    Still in the reserves and we PUFO a lot - that is Pack Up and F***
    Off
    

    G'Day,
    
    Rumour has it that that 'F***' word, what ever it is ;-) is FBI
    shorthand for 'Forced unlawful carnal knowledge
    
    

    re:.26 & .27
    
    I think I prefer .26, but both are pretty good.
    
    re:.32
    
    That's a popular myth, but the truth of the matter is that the
    "F-word" is a lot older (by centuries) than the FBI.
    
    --- jerry

    RTFM = Read The Fouled Manual
    
    Susan :*)

    "F" does not always mean "fouled." RTFM stands for "Read The Manual."
    The F is silent. 
    
    	Jon

    M.I.T. students can get a T-shirt with a drawing of one of the
    main building on campus with a large screw through it, and the
    letters I.H.T.F.P.
    
                       "I hate this place."
    
    and again, the "F" is silent.
    
    Dan

    The F is silent, like the P in bath.
    
    Filif

    no it is the P in swiming

    
    	re .38
    
    		>> swiming
    
    		The second "m" im swimming is also silent...
    				      ^
    
    	Joe Oppelt

    Re .39 (Joe):
    
    But "swiming" is a Carrollian word that combines the worst elements
    of "swine" and "rhyming," meaning "the practice of creating piggish
    verse."  The "P" (for "pig") is silent; but the reaction to swiming
    is "P. U.," where the "P" is anything but silent. :-D
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

      Re a few back 

      I thought it was the 'p' in bed.
      
      Dave C.

      
      My grandmother used to say you can tell whether people are
      rich or poor by whether the canopy is over the bed or under
      it.

    SPINLOCK - Synchronous Processing Is Now Lots Of Clever Kode

    Ah, come on! Even devo's know that "code" starts with a "c." The "k"
    really stands for "kudos." 
    
    	Jon,
    	VMS development

    but I'm a nice person so I won't use language like that in a public
    notesfile . . .
    
    --bonnie

    re: .28
    
    FIGMO (Finally I got my orders!) and FIIGMO (F**k it! I got my orders!),
    was still in use when I got out in 1982, and is still being used
    today, as attested by a friend who recently departed for Spain.
    Usually written on a copy of the actual orders (of which you received
    about 3,000 copies :^) from the top left hand corner down to the
    bottom right hand corner as such:
    
           ---------
           | F     |
           |  I    |
           |   I   |
           |    G  |
           |     M |
           |      O|
           ---------
    
    Then it was attached to the outside of the door to the applicable
    airman for all to see.  The choice between FIGMO and FIIGMO was
    directly dependent on the amount of "rebel" in your blood.
    
    Sherm   
    
    
    

    SNAFU == "situation normal, all <F_word>ed up"

    Re .57:
    
    There are two meanings for the "F" in SNAFU, et al.  One is the
    proverbial "F-word"; the other is "fouled" as in:
    
    Situation Normal -- All Fouled Up.
    
    Using the latter-F meaning, related acronyms include:
    
    TARFU (not a veggy dish) = Things Are Really Fouled Up
    FUBAR = Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition
    SAPFU = Surpassing All Previous Foul-Ups
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    re 204.48:  See also 204.18
                            
    					andrew

    TLA = Three Letter Acronym

the "f-word" was put on the gravestones of adulterers:

	For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge 

(taught this in 9th grade at my Catholic high school by my religion teacher -
 we were discussing the differences between vulgarity and swearing - he wrote
 the initial letters on the blackboard in very large print - interesting to
 any teachers, students, or parents who happened to be walking by!)

--angela

    If you see Kay, tell her that's an unlikely etymology.
    

    re: .51
    	It is discussed elsewhere in this file (can't remember exactly
    where), but there is strong evidence that the word entered the English
    language about the same time that Porcine Inedible Gadarene-beast was
    introduced from the Hebrew.

    HMMWV, pronounced 'humm-vee', (the vehicle that Arnold Schwartzenegger
    drives, now they are available to civilians) is a U.S. military acronym
    for (something along the lines of) High Mobility Multi-terrain Wheeled
    Vehicle.  Also known as the Hummer.
    
    		Ian Gordon (who hopes one day to own an MWV even if it is
    not a Hummer)

    Y2K
    
    Year 2000, as in:
    
    "Y2K compliant product is a REQUIREMENT at EDS, and all technology and
    product managers are responsible for communicating both the
    requirements and..."
    

    What happens between 2000 and 2048, since in the computer business K =
    1024 ??????
    
    Why can't people say what they mean ?
    
    Everyone must make sure the stuff we make works past the year 2000!
    
    

    >since in the computer business K = 1024 ??????
    
    Yeah, and how come computer companies steal 2.4% of their employees'
    salaries?  (4.8576% in Japan too.)
    
    >Everyone must make sure the stuff we make works past the year 2000!
    
    Not just past, but also in the year 0 itself!