Conference terri::cars_uk

.0�    	What will be bone with the M25 ?

    In a dramatic change of use, the M25 will be used to store stationary
    vehicles.
    
    Ian.

    Re .1.
    
    No change.
    
    Steve

    According to a Ford advert on ITV last night "There's only one Ford
    Sierra" - All the others must be a figment of your imagination or
    forgeries. 
    If Ford are to be believed, there will never be a petrol shortage!
    
    John

    We will have to re-open the coal mines and extract some form substitute
    for Oil from the coal .
    
    Nuclear power stations , Electric cars , solar cars, or roads that face
    downhill .
    
                             KR

    Wires above the roads, like the old trolleybus wires, and we can all
    drive dodgem cars.
    
    Steve

    re .4 
    
    Ok so you use coal, and process it to produce oil substitute...
    
    but then there's only 300 years worth of coal around. perhaps by then
    they will have sussed out fusion power. 
    
    Huw.
    PS. most plastics are manufactured from oil byproducts, what will we
    then use to pay for this nonexistent petrol????

    You could do as one south american country (brazil?) has done and
    distil a fuel out of sugar cane. 
    
    Richard 

  and we could all own sugar plantations in Jamaica again!

    
    You can run a car on methane, for which there are endless sources.
    You'd need an awful lot of chickens to produce enough by-product to
    power what goes round the M25 every day !
    
    Chris.

    
    
    Exactly when does the oil run out ???? Or more to the point when does
    it become too expensive to get out....
    
    							G.P

    I heard on the radio last night that Norman LeMonte (Sp?) is thinking
    of getting rid of road tax and putting 30p on the price of a Gallon.
    
    Grant 

RE: -.1

Interesting idea - evasion will be tricky!! 10,000 miles per year must be the
break even point (averaging 30 mpg) - below that you're a winner; above...
you're a loser.

At least with road tax there is some incentive to get MOT's and have
insurance since you can't buy the disc without them.

Steve

PS Rotholing from this rathole, I think cars should display insurance
details on the windscreen like in France.

The sort of person who is going to evade insurance is also the sort of
person who is going to evade road tax, so I don't think it's much of an
incentive.

I think MOT certificates should be round discs and replace the current tax disc.
I like the +30p a gallon bit, but them I'm one of the winners!

Scott

ratholing further...
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WHY do i need to produce my registration documents (in addition to other docs)
to buy some road tax???

what does this document prove? (in relation to road tax)

...art (who _loves_ queing in post offices for 40 mins or more)

It proves that you're not maliciously taxing someone else's car!

Jon

>>          <<< Note 1344.15 by VOGON::ATWAL "Don't dream it, be it" >>>

>>WHY do i need to produce my registration documents (in addition to other docs)
>>to buy some road tax???
    
    You don't!
    
    You need the renewal form sent to you, a valid certificate of
    insurance, and an MOT if the car is more than 3 years old.
    
    You do not need to produce the registration form or the old tax disc.
    
    Richard

you do (so I was succinctly informed) need a reg. doc. if you don't have the
renewal form (which I didn't yet have 'cuz of a recent address change)

I (innocently) assumed that the old/out-of-date/illegal tax disk would pretty
much prove that renewal was required; but did the PO/Gummint want my money
(maybe I should have told 'em it was poll tax for the motor :-)

they did kindly point out that I could get a duplicate reg. doc. from the 
DVLC/A which would take a few weeks to arrive...



...scream

When you're getting a tax disc for a new (to you) car, you need
the registration document and form V11. If you can't produce the
registration document, there's some other form to fill in.

When you're getting a tax disc for your car after a period of it
not being taxed, eg. if it's been off the road for a while, you
need the registration document and form V62 (?).

    re .18
    Ah well you didn't say you didn't have the renewal form. Suppose you
    must prove somehow that you have a right to the tax disc. (not getting
    it for a car you INTEND to steal or something)
    
    re.19
    I was answering the comment about RENEWING, initially registering is a
    whole different ball game!.
    
    Richard

	Wait 40 mins?????????????

	I only wait 5 mins if I go on a Saturday, or manage to get the
	"pensions" day, otherwise it's straight away!.
	
	And they're very helpful, I didn't need a reg document or renewal
	form (I bought an ex-demo, and didn't get the docs - then Penta
	dissapeared).
	They gave me a form to fill in, where I ticked a couple of boxes to say
	I was the owner, but never got the reg doc. from the previous owner.
	I had the tax disc on the spot, and a reg doc a couple of weeks later -
	all from one form and one 5 minute visit.

	And the 30p a gallon:

	We own 3 cars, (OKAY, 1 car, 1 workhorse, and 1 toy)
	montego 2.0gti, NG TC 3.5 V8, and 2.25 landy

	I reckon we will probably be about even. They all "drink" above the
	average, but we pay 3 road-fund licences for the two of us, and
	joint 22,000ish miles.

	Just think of all that money we'll get from foreign holiday makers.

	Heather

	......and foreign truck drivers.

    ....what foreign holiday makers? They all come from the US and Japan
    and we are too close to Iraq for them all......

 When I went in for my tax disc a while back, I had left my registrartion 
documemnt at home, but the lady behind the counter said that all she needed was
a number off of it, which would be on my old disc, so all I needed to do was to 
pop out to the car and get the old disc, and hey presto, one new disc.

		 Alan
		~~~~~~

    
    re all these documents required for a new tax disc - they really don't
    prove anything about the vehicle or it's drivers, since both the insurance
    document and the MOT only have to be valid on the date of issue of the
    tax disc - they may well expire the following day, but they will still
    get you the disc. eg, I taxed my old bike for a year, using both an
    insurance doc, and an MOT certificate which expired three days later!
    Also the insurance document may have nothing to do with the vehicle
    being taxed - many certificates don't have a registration number on
    them, and the registered keeper is not necessarily the person who
    insures the vehicle. 

    If they put road tax on top of the petrol price, those of us with
    decmobiles will _really_ lose out. As the lease company pays for
    the tax disc we won't be any the wiser. I do 20,000 miles a year
    most of which is private, with 30p ona gallon it would cost me an
    extra �190 a year :-(
    
    - Roy

    re: .11
    
    Still not quite on the original topic, but...
    
    Adding an amount to each gallon has to be the fairest way of taxing
    cars.  Bigger road users and bigger cars will pay more.  Cars which are
    fuel efficient, and thus environmentally (more) friendly will pay less.
    
    Well done that man!
    
    Mat.
    *:o)
    

Presumably the lease cost will go down by �100 per year if road tax is
abolished, so I don't see the problem...

Scott

	I wonder how it will be administered.


	eg, as of 1st June there'll be 30p on petrol, and a refund for all those
	whose road fund tax has not yet run its course?

	Heather

    Doesn't this old chestnut get dragged out every year just before budget 
    time?
    
    Mark

	This old chestnut probably does.  However, this government likes to
	leak information before budgets and I've read this proposal in several
	quality papers, so I wouldn't be surprised.  One way to do it would be
	to give a date from which petrol would be more highly taxed.  On that
	date you trade in your road tax for whatever value is left.  A great 
	day to steal tax disks...

    
    I'll believe it when I see it.
    
    Mark
    
    PS with 3 cars we'd probably win overall.

    I Also heard that Road tax will be reduced to 10 pounds per year.
    
    Grant