Conference 7.286::home_work

    SPAG'S IS ON RT. 9 IN SHREWSBURY. ABOUT 3 MI. ON THE RIGHT AFTER
    TOWN LINE GOING WEST ON RT.9. BRING CASH.

The quickest way from NH - Go down RT 495 to RT 290.  Get off of RT 290 at exit 
22, and turn left at the bottom of the ramp.  In about a mile you'll come to a 
stop light.  Take a right there.  Spags is on the corner of that road and RT 9.

Bring more cash than you think you can possibly spend.

Paul

    Mi-gawd, someoen who doesn't know where SPAG'S is!    ;-)
    
    Bring more cash than that, and something in which to carry your
    posessions. Leave behind or kiss goodbye small children and the old
    and infirm.

    Spags has a baybanks xpress 24 and some other machines.  I usually
    gather up all the stuff I want to buy, hide it somewhere, then go
    get enough money.
    

      	There are at least three buildings to choose from.  The "main"
    building on Rt. 9 has the hardware, paint, lighting fixtures & a
    million other items from peanut butter to shoes.  However, the large
    power tools (table saws, bandsaws, planers etc.) are in the 
    "Old Schoolhouse Annex" up the hill past the fire station.  Have
    fun and enjoy!

    Up in the Olde Shcoolhouse, where all the really neat tools are,
    is a box with a little sign that says something like 'contractors
    drop your card here to get on our mailing list for special sales.'
    I dropped in my 'boatbuilder' card and get a mailer every couple
    months. Most of the sales are really good stuff! 
    
    I dont know if
    a DEC business card would work, but at the instant print shops
    business cards are cheap and having a card that says something about
    professional and builder never hurts when yoyu are trying to chisel
    down the price at your friendly lumber or tools store.
    
    Ron 'Building and Repair of Fine Wood Boats' Ginger

    Re: .2
    The "right at the stoplight" is onto "Old MIll Road."  Further down
    Old Mill Road the road forks left and right immediately after crossing
    a small stream, with a pond on the left; bear RIGHT at that point.
    
    I'd ammend the "Bring more cash than you think you could possibly
    need" to "Bring no more cash than you can afford to spend."  Especially
    for a first-time visitor, Spag's fever can be overwhelming.  A couple
    friends of mine went to Spag's for the first time and ended up pulling
    out the seats of their car looking for lost change.  As time goes
    on, you become somewhat immune, but it's always pretty amazing.
    
    Beware: although there are lots of good deals, there are also many
    things that are NOT good deals.  You do need to retain some traces
    of price awareness and sanity when buying stuff at Spag's.
    
    Steve

    
    RE: .4  they have ATM's ay?  Not too dumb for an old time store
    that was known for "Spags gives no bags" and whatever you pick up,
    good ole American "cash on the barrelhead."  ..>

    
>    RE: .4  they have ATM's ay?  Not too dumb for an old time store
>    that was known for "Spags gives no bags" and whatever you pick up,
>    good ole American "cash on the barrelhead."  ..>



Er.... you mean not to dumb for the banks to provide such a needed
commodity for all you spagaholics.

There's only one ATM "The Green Machine" on Spags' property - but there's
two (maybe three) nearby - the ones I know are Bay Bank (next to main building)
, and Shawmut (across Rt 9).

A word about pricing at Spags - I've seen 'em write one price on a can, 
immediately cross it out, and write a lower one in, as if the price had been 
"lowered". I haven't decided whether this is sleazy or just clever...

I was reflecting on how long it took me to learn where everything is in Spag's, 
and it occurred to me that a map might be useful for someone who hasn't been 
before.  So I made one.  It's not to scale, and it doesn't include everything,
but it's a start.  If you can't find it, ask.  You may be surprised at where it 
is.  Like mailboxes are hanging on the wall over the pet supplies, and dowling 
jigs are sold at the fishing and hunting counter.

Good luck!

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1  Paper towels, garbage bags					31 Pets, mailboxes
2  Canned goods							32 Paint brushes
3  Spices							33 Glue
4  Sports rackets						34 Power tools
5  Furniture							35 Hand tools
6  Stationary							36 Hardware
7  Gardening/Yard tools						37 Fishing/hunting
8  Camping							38 Photo/watches/jewelry
9  Grandfather clocks						39 Gloves
10 Oriental rugs						40 Kitchen
11 TV, telephone						41 Wood finishing
12 Gas grills, coolers, wood stoves				42 Shoes
13 Luggage							43 Radios
14 Large cooking utensils, alum. foil, food bags		44 Clothes
15 Toys/games							/  Entrance
16 Automotive							X  Check out counter
17 Dairy/meat
18 Electric/lighting
19 Plumbing							At the Schoolhouse:
20 Household cleaners						
21 Golf								Power tools
22 Gardening supplies						Furniture
23 Birdseed							Clothes
24 Food								Plumbing fixtures
25 Rope, extension cords, vitamins				Baby stuff
26 Vacuum cleaners
27 Paint supplies						Also note that there's a garden shop, and that they often have
28 Sandpaper							a tent set up in the parking lot with random items on sale.
29 Baseball/basketball/football
30 Soap/shampoo/toothpaste/etc.

    RE: .2
    
    It's exit 22N off route 290 - signs say, 
    
    		 TO  [70]
    		Shrewsbury
    		Worcester
    
    

re: 11

Come on - you must know by now that anything you can't find must be
in fish and tackle ..... :^)

    An example of a well thought out floor plan:
    
    If you are looking for drywall screwgun bits, they are located in
    a tin can behind the typewriter display at the end of the fishing
    counter.  39 cents each.
    
    Jim Pappas

< Note 255.14 by PAPPAS::JIM "Jim Pappas" >
                                     -<  >-

>    An example of a well thought out floor plan:
    
>    If you are looking for drywall screwgun bits, they are located in
>    a tin can behind the typewriter display at the end of the fishing
>    counter.  39 cents each.
    
>    Jim Pappas




SEE

Everything that you can't find in Spags is in fish and tackle!!!

    What are Spag's hours?  Are they open late Thursday?  At all on
    weekends?
    
    	HRB

I believe that they are open every night till 9, but closed Sunday

Paul

    The best hours to shop are between 4 & 6pm during the week.  The
    place is less conjested both inside and out.

worst time to go -- rainy days!

best times -- sporting events, especially if a boston team is playing!  I
		once went the night of the stanley cup playoffs (I'm not a
		hockey fan) and the place was deserted!!!

-mark

         I am about to embark on my first visit to Spags towards the
    end of this week.  Curiousity has gotten the best of me.  One of
    the things I would like to check out is the brands and prices of
    band saws they sell.  Does anyone have any comments on their
    selection and price?  Also, does Spags accept checks as cash
    or only the truly green stuff from the mint?  Having never been
    there before I have to plan my trip to the bank if checks are
    out...
    
                                               Thanks,
                                               Kevin

    Only foldable green and no plastic either ! Real cash !
    
    ps Bring more than you plan to spend since you will spend more
       every time. Good luck, have fun !
    
    Lloyd

    ...and after spending 2 hours looking for the bandsaws, go up the
    hill to the little schoolhouse...

    When I first bought my house, I could not go into Spags without
    spending $100.  One day I figured that I would save some money and
    showed up with only $80.  I got to the register and sure enough,
    the bill was $100.  I put back something worth $20 and left feeling
    good.
    
    Well, the next day, I decided that I needed that $20 item and went back
    to pick it up.  Spent $100. 
    
    Now a days, I do not necessarily spend $100/visit.  It now almost
    always comes out to a $1/minute.
    
    Jim Pappas

    Like Minnestoa Fats: "Nothin' but CASH...."
    
    Although I overheard a clerk talking to somebody once, and I got
    the idea that it IS possible to pay by check if you get it approved
    in advance or something.  I've never done it, and I may have totally
    misinterpreted what was being talked about.  Easiest thing is to
    bring the green stuff.
    
    Steve    

>    Although I overheard a clerk talking to somebody once, and I got
>    the idea that it IS possible to pay by check if you get it approved
>    in advance or something.  

I'd be surprised.  If you look up, there are signs saying something to the 
effect that: "As of [some date in the early sixties] we will no longer accept 
checks of any kind.  This includes personal checks, business checks, government 
checks, bank checks, cashier's checks and money orders. Only cash will be 
accepted."

I'm not even sure they'll take travellers checks.

Paul

The good news is there FOUR banks with ATMs nearby (one on Spag's property!):

	- BayBank (next to Spag's on Rt 9)
	- WCIS (affiliated with the Cash network - you can use your DCU card)
	- Shawmut bank (across the street from Bay Bank i.e. on the south side
	   of Rt 9)
	- J Random Small Bank - "The Green Machine" is the name of their ATM.
 	  This one is on the edge of Spag's "Old School House"

May have been said before: Spag's is not ALWAYS a bargain. If you know what 
"reasonable" prices are for what you seek, you'll do well there. I'd stay out 
of the kitchen department in general, tho.

    
    	RE: .25
    
    	They do NOT take traveller's checks.
    
    					{cathy}
    
    					who believes shopping at spag's
    					is an art form in of itself...
    

    Don't buy Alpo there.  It's cheaper at Heartland.
    

    Going there today and have what may be a silly question. Do you
    bring your own bags as I have heard?
    
    Need an ans before 9:00 am as our system is going down for the weekend.
    
    dtn 223 8072.
    
    thanks
    
    Gary
    
    Hey Rich did you find the band saws??

    re: .29
    You CAN bring your own bags, but a true Spag's zealot knows where
    to find empty boxes when he gets there, and uses one of those.
    
    Actually, empty boxes are not too hard to find.  What you do is
    just wander around until you find one, or find one with only an
    item or two left in it that your can pile on the full boxes of
    that item underneath, and take that one.  There tends to be a box
    with empty boxes in it in the electrical department (generally
    poor-quality boxes though), a similar box in the tool department
    (sometimes good small boxes to be had there), and possibly behind
    the counter in the paint department.
    

    re:.30 Did as you said. Boxes everywhere. Is an interesting place.
    Employees quite helpful. Found some excellent prices and some not
    so excellent ones. All in All, worth the trip. ($250 worth)
    Gary

    
    
      Just had to add my two cents worth!!
    I've lived near spags now for about twelve years and have yet to
    see great great prices. The only asset Spag's has is, it has it
    all. If you can find it. I know for a fact that Spag himself shops
    else where, to avoid the crowds.
    
    
    
    ps: just for kicks match the prices of items between Sears and Spags
    and you'll find that Sears charge is worth the eighteen percent.
    
    
                                              Happy shopping
    and remeber Spags live by the motto there's a sucker born every
    minute!!!

Sounds like a public challenge to me!  I don't know what you buy at spags
but I defy you to find a place where I can get cheaper electrical/plumbing
supplies!  I could get into point products as well such as Kitchen Cabinet
hardware, Kitchenaid Mixers, wheel barrows, garden hoses, oil filters, the 
list goes on for much too long for me to try and type it in...

Sure some of their stuff is no cheaper than elsewhere but MOST of it is!

-mark

    I agree!!!  Give an example of where you can get electrical
    supplies cheaper than at spags.  Plumbing too.  Or Oregon
    chains for chainsaws.
    

	Not to mention that Sears is the sleasiest outfit around.
	Check out the 80 some odd replies to the Sears note in 
	CONSUMER.

	Spags prices are typically what sale prices are elsewhere,
	only you don't have to wait for the sale.  And they have
	it all.

--ed/

    RE:.33
    
    Maybe we are all missing his point.  Could reply 33 be a 
    tongue-in-cheek comment?
    

    
    
       Spag's is a desease and you folks can't help that I guess. But
    to answer all your comments. I have compared prices between the
    local hardware store and Spags, also Home centers and Spags and
    The Fair and Spags. The conclusion is still that Spags is a bag
    and that most of their junk is seconds!!!!! My brother is a contractor
    and says that quality is not a Spags specialty. Don't take offense
    just shop around and you'll recover from Spagmania.
    
    
    
                                         See ya at the Fair

    But we're still waiting for specific examples of which electrical/
    plumbing supplies are seconds and where they are cheaper.  Where
    can I get a box of 14-2 wire for less than $14?  The price at
    my local hardware store is about $25 (Apple meadow in Townsend).
    

    Shop at the FAIR????? I have lived near the Fair/Spags for 10 years
    now and wouldn't be bothered by going to the Fair....totally
    unimpressed with goods/service/store/aroma in store, etc.....
    
    Yes, I bring cash and bags to Spags, have found them to have quality
    of goods ranging from poor to very good. If you know your name brand
    and price of that name brand, then I find they often have a price
    equal to, if not better than, the competition. Name brands?????
    I tend to shop for hardware stuff....Moore paint, Cuprinol, Black
    and Decker, Milwaukee tools and Makita are all top branded items
    and certainly good quality at good prices. Yes, other match the
    Spags price, but not all the time. I also have NEVER FOUND a store
    where everyone EVERYONE working on the floor, can be so happy to
    help you. I have never had a complaint in 10 years about the help
    at Spags, something I can't even say about McDonalds......And they
    really work at customer satisfaction.
    
    Spags also supports very nearly every charitable organization around
    in his local area. All ya gotta do is ask and he is ready to contribute
    whatever they can to help. Darn good community relations, if you
    ask me.
    
    You can overcharge me occasionally at Spags, but do it with a smile
    and I will keep coming back.......
    
    (kick soapbox out of way.....)
    
    /A happy Spagomaniac

       Come on now.... everyone knows Spag's is great! 95% of their
    products are top quality. The other 5% are seconds (clothes/shoes).
    The prices are lower than at any other store I have shopped, although
    some items may be priced the same. I have NEVER seen any item marked
    higher. Again, Spag has given more to charitable organizations than
    any merchant in his caliber. This is a Spags note, PLEEEEEEEEEEASE
    don't degrade it by mentioning Sears! (YUCK) I think I bought a
    battery there when I was in high school (young & unexperianced).
    
    another Spagamaniac

    
    
    
      Didn't you people know charity contributions are a tax write off!!
    
    
                 JEEZ thanks Spags

    Ok.  Now we KNOW you're not serious.
    

    
    
       I cant understand why someone would say that spags is not a bargain!
    Maybe if your not an educated consumer. If you are than spags is
    it! you can be taken on occasion at spags on some items if you dont
    know what they sell for elsewhere, but this maybe happens about
    1% of the time. I shop spags almost weekly  and on a yearly
    basis i save close to 50% !!!! 
    
        I dont believe people still shop at sears!!! I haven't been
    there since i was taken one two seperate occasions  in 1979.
    if you exclude spags,K-mart has sears beat by miles. sears is 
    overpriced and they always give people a hard time when it comes
    to warranty service! and i've heard this from many people. sears
    will take a name brand product have it manufactured with thier name
    on it and sell it for about 20% more.  Please heed this warning
    and stay away from sears ...you'll be a richer person for it.
    

    Spag's is great, but there are some gotcha's.
         
    DON'T buy mechanics tools at Spag's unless they're a gag gift! The
    prices may be great, but, for example, the BUFFALO brand socket
    sets they sell are make of a special version of steel produced by
    alloying iron and buffalo chips! And their Great Neck sockets are
    slight seconds, i.e. a 7/16's socket won't always fit a (good) 7/16's
    nut. The SK tools are better but still no great bargain.
    
    Motor oil is cheap -- I buy CASTROL there sometimes, but if you
    watch for sales at Bradlees, it's cheaper there.
    
    Specialty light bulbs, like R20 spots, are 30 to 50% lower than
    anywhere else. And many generic electrical supplies are rock bottom
    price.
    
    Be careful. It's a great place to shop, but not blindly.
    
    And the charitable contributions may reduce taxes, but Spag IS TAKING
    MONEY OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET, AS WELL AS UNCLE SAM'S, WITH THE
    CONTRIBUTIONS. SO WHAT IF IT'S TAX DEDUCTABLE? IT DOES NOT REDUCE
    HIS TAXES DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR!

    OK, Spagologists, can anyone tell me if They have round,
    insect-screened vents for use in attic ventilation? I'm looking
    for two inch or so diameter.
    
    Thanks, Chuck

      One stop shopping.......SPAG'S has it all! I've seen the vents
    your talking about there.

    Yes, SPAGs does have round screened louvered vents (and good prices
    on hole cutters too), but make sure you count them before you leave
    the store. I bought about 40 vents there, actually 3 1/2 boxes of
    them that they pulled from their storage shelves in the back....when I
    got home I realized that one of the supposedly full boxes was 1/2
    empty! Apparently one of the boxes was used to fill the floor display
    bins and was mistaken for a full box when taken out of storage...an
    honest mistake....but I had to go back the day I planned to install
    them (frustrating!).   BTW, this was the ONLY screwup I've ever
    experienced at SPAGs (and I'm a regular customer). 
    							/Glenn  
    

While we're on the subject of counting, if you ever by cabinet hardware count
the screws in those silly little packages.  I've been short changed several
times -- not by spags but by the manufacturer.

-mark

    Now that you mentioned it, I've been shortchanged on screws in
    cabinet hardware from spags too.  It was several years ago, but
    I recall that an unusually large percentage of the packages were
    short on them.  I guess as long as you count them while you're
    picking them out, you'll do ok.
    

    the cylindrical vents are in the plumbing dept as I recall. Bought
    a bunch there for a ridiculous low price compared with local hdwre
    stores
    
    
    			herb
    

    In the November 16th Worcester Sunday Telegram, there was a 12 page
    full-size Spag's insert.  In the center of the top of page 5, there was
    a 5" by 11" photograph of a woman wearing a black evening gown and a
    very fashionable wide-brimmed black hat canted rakishly so as to cover
    her eyes.  She was tastefully draped with pearls and the whole thing
    looked very much like a stock ad photo stolen out of "Vogue" or
    somesuch. The copy ran as follows: 
    
                               Cultured Pearls
                       Lovely, Lustrous, Sophisticated
                          The pick of the pearl crop
    
      Carefully selected by our expert gem buyers.  Great values in the
      sea's most precious jewels.  Cultured pearls, classic and stylish,
             in necklaces, earrings, bracelets, rings, and pins.
    
                       Just for you  A gift of Love
                         20% off our regular prices
                       Located at our tackle counter

    There must be a violation of physics at Spag's.   *Everything* is
    located at the tackle counter.   Either that, or they have one whopping
    big tackle counter.  :-)

Now that Xmas time is drawing near, lots of noters get together for 
lunch.  I think we should get together and go to SPAGS!!!

-mark

    Re: .54
    
      And meet at the tackle counter?
    
    -Jim
    

    re tackle counter:
    
    Spag's started out (several decades ago) as a fishing tackle store,
    renting part of an empty warehouse.  (Sound like a computer company
    we know? (-;)  Over time, he's added various departments (electrical,
    plumbing, toys/games, clothes -- I think I can remember when he
    started selling jeans & boots).  This accounts for a lot of the
    "intuitively obvious" floor plan he's got; any of you who have been
    in 200+ year-old farmhouses should understand.
    
    Various people are correct about prices there.  Spag's makes no
    claims that he won't be undersold, and sometimes he is.  I too have
    occasionally seen things which I felt were not priced "right" (although
    it seems more often to strike me as "too high -- don't need it"
    than "it's cheaper at Foobar's").  It is useful to know what prices
    are like at other stores which offer the same items.
    
    Given all that, it's still a neat place.  Of course, when I got
    my license so's I could drive myself down there, I'd had close to
    ten years of patronage there, under my belt.  (I can remember a
    time when they didn't sell cheese, eggs, cookies, and other food.
    Gorry, I'm gettin' old...)
    
    The month I moved into my first apartment, I blew two or three hundred
    dollars there.  It was more than I was used to doing; before I moved
    out, I'd been stopping there weekly, though, so it had been less
    obvious.  Thought that I was doing the drunken-sailor routine --
    until October, when I moved into my first house.  Yup, yup, gotta
    have a spade, a rake or two, a hoe, a pick-axe, a trailer for the
    tractor, a saw, ... electrical boxes, duplex outlets, 12-2 Romex...
    paint, turps ...
    
    The bank whose ATM is on Spag's property, next to the Old Schoolhouse,
    is (I think) the largest commercial bank in Worcester.  When I moved
    to Maynard,  I kept my account with them, for obvious reasons. 
    Wonder if they and Spag's could work out some sort of deal for
    helping the cash flow through...
    
    BTW, for the sheds that they sell, in cooperation with the company
    who builds them, I think that they *might* take a check.  You'd
    have to ask, if you're interested.  But for general merchandise,
    it's cold cash.  Can't blame him: it cuts the overhead for dealing
    with plastic & checks, and increases throughput at the check-outs.
    
    Dick
    

    No checks on the sheds. A friend of mine tried, the idea popping
    into his head while he was there for something else.

    A guy in the old schoolhouse contractor's tools dept said that they
    would take a cashier's (and ONLY cashier's) check for a SINGLE item
    over $1000.  I.E. If you buy 2 items for $501 apiece, it's still
    cash.
    
    

    About sheds at Spags'...
    
    Are they the steel type?  How's the selection (styles and sizes)?
    And, of course, prices?

    It seems to me that I remember reading in a newspaper a few years
    ago that SPAGS started by selling car oil.

    RE .59
    
    Sheds at Spags are the wood type.  No steel ones.  I think there's
    somewhere between 4 to 6 different models (probably covers most
    sizes available).  Don't know the exact price, but it includes
    installation.
    
    -al

    .60:
    
    I disbelieve it.  I believe that he's been selling engine oil for
    only about 15 years or so (I don't remember my father getting oil
    there when I was very small -- I KNOW that the area it's in now
    wasn't part of the store 15 or 20 years ago.)  
    
    It's been interesting the last five years: you can almost get a
    balanced diet there, if you're careful to catch the Progresso sales.
    (I usually spring for a case of chickpeas.  Now if he'd start selling
    tahini...)  It wouldn't be too far from balanced -- but not exactly
    standard, either.  But if you can stand to eat Trapist preserves,
    imported Scottish shortbread, and Pepperidge Farm cookies (at about
    15% or 20% off!)...
    
    Dick
    

  Spags has most of their Makita tools on sale this week.  The prices
    are real good.  For example, the recipro saw is $99.
    

    If anyone's interested, the Makita sale at Spags is still on (or
    was last night).  You won't find better prices for Makita tools
    anywhere.  
    

    January's Yankee Magazine has a coupon for $5 off on anything at
    Spags with a minimum $25 purchase.
    

    ...and will they cut it to size?
    
    Thanks, Chuck

They do.  In the plumbing department, last time I was there.   They should
cut it to size also.

>                          -< Yes, Spags does sell Plexiglass >-

>They do.  In the plumbing department, last time I was there.   They should
>cut it to size also.
 
    I've had glass cut to size there, so I'm sure they'll cut the
    plexiglass too.
    

Can someone tell me if Spags sells electric baseboard heaters??

I need 6' and 7' lengths...

Thanks,

Brad.

PS:  It is a ride for me, that is why I am asking, if I could get a phone
	number, that would do also...

>    Can someone tell me if Spags sells electric baseboard heaters??
 
    No, they don't.
    I've been getting them thru the Sears Catalog.
    

    FYI...Spags is unlisted.

    Somerville has them, cost should be around $80 or so.  They were
    running low on certain lengths when I picked up some shorter ones
    last week.
    

    re:  baseboard heaters
   
  >    Somerville has them, cost should be around $80 or so. 
    
    Through the Sears catalog the prices range from $30 for 29" to
    about $60 for 8'.
    

    re plexiglass, back a few: they do indeed have it, but won't cut
    it to size (maybe I didn't ask nice enough :-) There are a handful of
    sizes available and, as mentioned elsewhere, it's not hard to cut
    by scoring (meticulously) and breaking.
    
    Chuck

    
    Is anyone familiar with the selection of lighting available at
    Spags?  We have to select and buy our own indoor and outdoor
    lighting for the home we're buying in Leominster (the builder 
    installs it and credits us @ closing).
    
    When I asked the builder for lighting shop recommendations,
    he suggested Marlboro Elec. Supply (Route 85 in Marlboro...
    he warned us that they run a little on the high side, but 
    carry mfrs. like Quoisel), and also suggested Spags.
    
    Before I journey into Spags, I wanted to check with people
    more familiar with Spags.
    
    Also, does Spags stock mirrored/lighted medicine cabinets
    and doorbells?
    
    thanks...                        /donna
    

    Spags has an annual lighting sale.  It ended last week.  Sorry.
    
    
    But, yes, you can get all kinds of indoor and outdoor lighting
    there.  The prices are good, even though it's not their sale.
    They have medicine cabinets both in the main store (plumbing)
    and in the schoolhouse.  Make sure you check the cabinets in the
    schoolhouse because they have most of them over there.
    

    .75:
    
    And they have several different doorbells; the selection is adequate
    but not extensive.  They'll be in Electrical, very close to the
    lights (oddly enough).
    
    Just remember to bring cash.  If you plan to wander through most
    of the store, bring more cash than you think you'll need.
    
    Dick
    

    The selection in Marlboro Electric is much higher than at Spag's
    although there is some overlap.  Spag's has mainly standard, no
    frills lighting, whereas Marlboro Electric carries the designer
    brands, crystal chandeliers, halogen, table/desk lamps, track lights, etc.
    
    If you are buying lots of lights, you can request the discount
    of 50% of the manufacturer's list price (you say you have a new
    house to buy fixtures for).  They normally sell for 40% off of list.
    
    At 50% off of list, Spag's is only a few bucks cheaper than M.E.
    
    -al

      Although Spag's lighting sale ended this past Saturday, they still
    have a lot of the 'demo' stuff still hanging and at lower prices
    than what they were on sale for.  I believe that these prices apply
    strictly to the demo's but I'm not sure.  Also, if it is only the
    demo's, make sure that the demo comes complete.
    
    -Jim
    
    

    Now that I'm done with any work on the addition that needs this
    (of course), Spags has the Remington Podwer Actuated stud-gun on
    sale for $79 (regularly at spags 129, 169 elsewhere). Costs 25/day
    to rent, so this is a real good deal.
    

	I just picked up Sears power actuated gun for $18.  It's the one you
have to hit with a hammer but for about a $60 difference I'll swing the hammer.
The Sears gun is made by Remington.

    I've been thinking about that purchase for awhile. Did you buy it
    through catalog sales or the store? Does it come with the charges?

    Spags's also has the hammer fired Remington on sale for $17.50.

	The hammer, loads and fasteners have to be ordered through the catalog.
Since it's a Remington you can also get the loads and fasteners from any 
hardware store that sells parts for powder acctuated tools.  The $18 is the
sale price.  I don't know how long the sale lasts.  I haven't used mine yet but
I expect to this weekend.

    
    What is Spag's return policy? Thanks.
    
       mitch

    Spag's has one of the BEST return policy i have ever seen in my *~
    years of shopping. We have NEVER been refused. From a rug which had
    some defects in it, to unopened underwear (my stomach had grown more
    than I had wanted to acknowledge), to parts for a charcoal broiler
    which did not fit but which I had opened and tried to install. On and
    on. If you think it is reasonable to return it, and have a receipt 
    it almost certainly is returnable.

>        If you think it is reasonable to return it, and have a receipt 
>    it almost certainly is returnable.

    If you don't have a receipt, you can return items too.  They'll
    just send you back to the department to get an authorization from
    someone working there.  I returned ski goggles there that I bought
    6 months before (they were unused and unopened).  The employee
    said "we don't sell these anymore....but I guess we do now", and
    put it back on the shelf.
    

    The flourescent orange SPAG's price tag on the item is usually sufficient
    evidence for a return.  Never had any problems.
    
    -al

      I find that Spag's is as flexible if not more so than most reputable
    stores.  The only thing they are not flexible on is how you pay:CASH
    ONLY!  They even accept manufacturers coupons.  Sometimes they will
    even supply the coupons next to the item.  
    
    -Jim
    

    There are cases when Spag's WILL accept checks, probably bank checks.
    I think if you are paying more than $1000 for something they will
    take a certified check.  This would have to be confirmed with them
    before attempting it as I've never spent that much at Spag's on
    a single item.  But I'm sure someday I will ;-)
    
    Phil

    I brought back a "bug zapper" once that comitted suicide after about
    two months use. The garden department took a look at it, said sorry
    about that, do you want another? I said no thanks, they signed the
    slip and I walked out with $60 in my pocket. 
    
    Charly

      Spags has GFCI's on sale for $8.88 this week.  These are Leviton
    models that have screw terminals like a regular outlet.  They are
    not out in the open. You have to ask for it in the electrical dept 
    and they will write you a slip for it.
    
    -Jim
    

    That's a fantastic price, and those are the best kind of breakers.
    I worried about the kind that uses a piece of 16 or 18 gauge twisted
    wire for serving the down-line outlets.  Those little wires certainly
    aren't capable of carrying 15amps, are they?

    In reading through this note file, Spag's seems to come up very
    often.  That must be some kind of store.  As i live and work in
    Vermont, Spag's is not convenient but I do travel once in awhile
    to Mass.  Where is Spag's located? and what are their hours during
    the week? 
    
    thanks.

>Where is Spag's located? and what are their hours during
    the week? 
    
 Spag's is on Route 9 in Shrewsbury, MA. (a few miles east of Worcester)
Their hours are 8:00 to 8:00 (I think), Monday thru Saturday (I know).
Cash only-- no checks.  Bring your own bags &/or boxes.

						--Mike

      Spag's is open until 9:00.  I've been there after nine a few times
    and they subtly give you the hint by turning off lights here and
    there.  I have never heard the annoying announcements like 'we will
    be closing in x minutes ...'.  They don't have great deals on
    everything but certain departments are known for their low prices.
    Spag's popularity does seem to grow over time.  Even the Wall Street
    Journal write about them on occasion.  I'll confess that I do go
    there quite often...I live three miles from there.  Also, when you
    do go there, make sure you see the daily specials listed by the
    entrances.  
    
    -Jim
    

    Unless the change was recent, they open at 9:00 on weekdays.  Call
    to find out!!! (only kidding!!)

    Mon. - Fri.  9 am - 9 pm
    Sat.	 8 am - 9 pm
    Sun.	  closed
    
    Special Christmas hours.
    
    Bring *LOTS* of cash!!!
    

    Re: .93:   "Call to find out"
    
    Just in case people don't get it, Spag's does NOT have a telephone
    number you can call to find out anything.   Annoying, especially
    when you live 50 miles away, but that's the way it is.  After all,
    you wouldn't expect them to be bothered with "do you have..." phone
    calls, would you?

    re .89

    Remember that stranded wire has a higher current rating than equivalent
    size solid wire.  Current only flows on the skin of a wire and stranded
    wire has more surface area.  It is more difficult to work with (you
    have to make sure all strands are connected, etc.).
    
    Check the code for details.
    
    Steveg 

    Well, if you look in the Worcester phone book under
               Borgatti, Anthony A Jr
    you will find an office number and a residence number.
    If you call the office number they will give you the store number
    (which is 799-2570).

    re .96
    
    Nit:  I think you'll find that current only flows at the surface
    of a conductor at high frequencies.  At 60HZ, it's the total cross
    sectional area you want to consider.  Stranded just gives more flexibility.

    It's still a high frequency effect; not at 60Hz.  The skin effect
    thingie.

    .100 is correct. For those that want to determine the skin
    (or penetration) depth, the equation is
    
    D(pen) (cm) = 7.5 * (frequency)^(-.5)
    
    Multistranded wire is used in some high frequency applications,
    but each strand is individually insulated with varnish. This
    is called Litz (sp?) wire.
    
    George Dvorak
    

    Alas, my beliefs have been shattered!!!
    
    I recently bought an item in the plumbing dept. at Spag's which
    was $.80 cheaper at Sommerville Lumber of all places!!!  It's not
    the $.80 that bothers me, but my trust of Spag's has been shaken
    tremendously.
    
    Another Spag's lesson learned.  Check the main building first and
    then the school house.  They had the same item, in both places,
    marked differently.
    
    Phil

                Spag's is the same as most other stores in one aspect.
        They CAN'T ALWAYS have the lowest price! What they can have is
        prices that you won't get stuck with (i.e. pay way too much)
        along with the good prices for the rest of the stuff. This is
        especially true for those items that they must keep in stock.
        You can't always get the best price from your wholesaler every
        time.
                
                /s/     Bob
                
  Moral (if any) =  You've got to know your prices when shopping
                    anywhere!

    Sale on the electronic stud finders at Spag's - $11.95 with (I think)
    a $2.00 manufacturer's rebate available in addition.  

    RE: .103
    
    I always knew that Spag's prices could be beat at other places but
    the last place on earth I thought would beat them would be Sommerville
    Lumber!!!  From my observations, much of their stuff is 30-50% more
    than other places in order to keep all those "helpful" people on
    the floor.  Oh well, so much for Spag's unbeatable plumbing prices.
    But I still think for every 1 thing that can be had for less elsewhere,
    there are 100 things that you'll save money on.  Hell, I going back
    for 1 thing after work!  I hope I have enough money...
    

    Spag's is just plain the best place, and the most fun too!
    

    You do have to know prices anywhere, but even if Spag's is more
    sometimes, I would rather shop there than Sommervile Lumber.
    At Spags the price is (almost) always clearly marked, and I don't
    have to wait 20 minutes in a checkout line.  Sommerville, however...

    I received a flyer about a tool auction at the Townsend MA VFW on
    July 22 7:30 PM.  This looks like a huge amount of tools.  
    A lot of Makita power tools and a lot of FAMOUS BRAND.  I assume
    most of this is the same junk that you get mail from the
    TOOL LIQUIDATORS about.  (The ads that make it sound like they're
    giving you a change to take all these tools almost for free before
    they dump them in the ocean.)
    
    Most of the tools are new.  I"ll be going just because I live
    nearby.  I thought maybe others might be interested.  
    

      I went to the one in Maynard a few weeks back.  I too received
    a flyer yesterday for one of these in Holden last night.  Yup, same
    company (Bob Cummins Enterprises...Omaha Nebraska).  It was somewhat 
    interesting.  Most of it is imported stuff (read:  I never heard of 
    it before) but they do have some name brand equipment.  I found that 
    there weren't too many deals. You could buy a lot of the stuff at 
    Spags within few dollars of their prices.  If they get the price 
    they are looking for, they will sell massive quantities of it at that
    price (their tractor-trailor is sitting outside).  If they don't get
    the price they are looking for, they will only sell that one unit.  
    For the few dollar difference in price, I would rather buy locally
    and be able to return it if there's a problem.  I don't know how good 
    some of the other equipment is like their bandsaws and drill presses...
    I had never heard of 'Pro-Tech' before. If you know your prices and 
    what you want before going, you may find a good deal.  Also note on 
    the flyer that the tools listed are subject to prior sales.  This
    means that they had all of the stuff when they started in the area but
    may have sold it at a prior auction like the one last night in Holden.
    
    -Jim
    

I just bought a fire extinguisher at Spags for $24.99.  A day later, I saw 
the same one at the Channel (in NH) for $22.00.


My fault,  I didn't shop.

    
    ZONE VALVES FOR $38!! What type?? Were these complete units orjust
    the replacement unit.   Were these TACO????   These are for FHW
    heat, right?? 
    
    Steve

    Where is a good place to buy peat moss in Mass.?  Does Spags sell it?  
    If so, do they have it this time of year or only in the summer?

    Of course Spag's sells it!  I don't know if it's available at this
    time of year though.

    spags has closed it garden shop for the season....
    
    
    jim

    
    or any garden/landscaping store.  these stores are gearing up for
    xmas now but i would be they have peat moss on hand all year.
    
    
    k

    re: .2 and the disappearing peat moss
    
    When they close the garden shop, what happens to all of the other stuff
    they sold there in the spring/summer/fall?  Can't you still buy a
    Spag's ladder in the winter? 
    
    -joet

    >Can't you still buy a Spag's ladder in the winter.
    
    I did.  You go to plumbing to get a slip of paper with the price.
    After you pay for it they go over and unlock the gate and get you
    the ladder.

    Has the price of Romex gone up by 65% everywhere recently or only at Spags?

< Note 255.112 by VIDEO::FINGERHUT >
                       -< $23.95/box instead of $14.95 >-

>    Has the price of Romex gone up by 65% everywhere recently or only at Spags?

Actually, you should replace the word Romex with the word copper. The answer 
is yes, everywhere. Bought any copper tubing lately (assuming thatyou are a 
licenced plumber of course :-))?

how big is a box - i've made several purchases at spags and elsewhere 
over the last few months, and paid about 10�/ft for 14-2

    A "standard box" of wire at Spag's and other "good" electrical supply
    houses is usually 250 feet. Copper wire did take a HUGE JUMP in price
    as of the 1st of the year. Boy was I suprised! 
    
    Grossman's and other "Home Owner" type stores sell "mini" boxes of wire
    in "convienent" lengths of 25', 50' 100' etc... at outrageous prices.
    These are usually the same type of stores that sell a blister pack of 6
    screws for 79 cents.

    Charly

>    how big is a box - i've made several purchases at spags and elsewhere 
>over the last few months, and paid about 10�/ft for 14-2

    That's right.  Except now it's 17�/ft for 14-2. (AT SPAGS).
    

      Re: .116
    
      Don't you mean 12-2?  A few months ago I bought 12-2 for $25/250'.
    It has since gone up to approx $33/250'.  If you by a particular
    length instead of a box then this doesn't apply.  I too was shocked
    by the price increase and asked them about it.  Apparently they
    were also shocked when they had to reorder.  I got the impression that
    they buy massive quantities of the stuff and therefore didn't see
    gradual price increases but only the 'jump' in price.  I'm glad
    I bought it when I did; however, at the rate I'm doing my wiring
    job, I'll never run out!   :^)
    
    -Jim
     

>          Don't you mean 12-2?  A few months ago I bought 12-2 for $25/250'.
>    It has since gone up to approx $33/250'.  
    
    Yes.  Sorry.  The per/foot price I quoted was for 12-2 which as
    you say is $33/box.  14-2 and 12-2 both went up $9/box.
    

    
    Last night my husband bought some electrical cable to use for the
    final phase of putting our electrical service from street to house
    underground. Cost of the cable was double what we paid two months
    ago.  The store manager told my husband that the price of copper
    doubled within the last month.  Our electrician said the same thing.
                                                          
    Kathy

    It seems that because the SDC is switching over to Corporate Gray
    binders for documentation from the red-orange they used to use,
    there was a surplus of zillions of red binders that the SDC couldn't
    use.
    
    Guess who they sold them to?
    

    .120:
    
    I saw some of the "chinese red" binders in the Schoolhouse 2 or
    3 months ago, but they didn't have DEC part numbers -- or do we
    put the part numbers on ourselves?
    
    Dick

    RE: .121
    
    That's correct. SDC buys the binders as blanks and they are
    identified by a 'spine insert' which goes in the plastic end
    sleeve which gives the type of operating system and contents.
    
    This gives flexibility of manufacture and allows reduction of
    parts needed to be stocked. End of tour. ;)
    
    Charlie
    

    I have chinese red binders that have DIGITAL printed on the spine,
    as well as a part number printed on the back.  I also have the
    binders with nothing on them.
    
    My guess is that Digital stopped buying Chinese Red binders so the
    supplier was stuck with them.  I'd say Spags bought them from the
    supplier, not from Digital.
    
    Maybe Spags offered them more than Building 19.
    
    
    

    Part Number 12-13565-02, for the 2.5" binders, in the lower right
    corner of the outside of the back cover.  However, only 2 of 6 that
    I've just inspected have the part number (one printed, one embossed).
    
    Dick

    
    Regarding replies .120-.124
    
    As the SDC implements DEC Standard 073, grey binders will be phased
    in on major new product revisions.  "Point revisions" (ex: VMS 4.1
    to 4.2) will continue to use Chinese red binders.
    
    Therefore, we are, and will continue to consume significant quantities
    of the red binder during change over.  There is NOT as .120 stated
    a "surplus of zillions of red binders that the SDC can't use". 
                                         
    For clarification; 
    1. The SDC does not dispose of ANY product via retail stores.  All 
       obsolete product is transfered to DEC's Property Disposal Center. 
       SDC complies with Digital's policy of insuring all products are 
       non-recognizable (as Digital products) prior to disposal.
    
    2. Under contract, Digital binder suppliers are NOT permitted to sell
       Digital marked products to any party not authorized by Digital.
       We at the SDC closely control the use of the Digital trademark, as
       well as other proprietary data contained in Purchase Specifications.
    
    3. All Digital SDC binders are required to be marked with supplier
       name (or abbreviation) and 2-5-2 Digital part number on the lower
       right rear corner.  
                           
    Since I've been unable to track down anyone that can verify (first hand) 
    the existance of Digital binders from a non-DEC source, it sounds like
    Spag's was probably selling some similarly colored, non-DEC marked
    binders.  Digital does NOT own rights to the Chinese Red color,
    therefore it's possible that excess vinyl was utilized by a supplier to
    produce a "similar" consumer binder product.
    
    In an effort to track down the "potential" source leaking these
    DEC binders (or other SDC products), please notify me immediately on 
    siteing Digital products at ANY retail/discount store.
    
    Thank you.
    Jim Digiorgio
    SDC Purchasing Manager
    DTN 241-3041
    

    I've also seen the Chinese Red binders available retail at The
    Fair in Worcester. The color caught my eye enough for me to pick
    one up and check it out...
    
    Sure enough, it was DEC issue. Said so right on it.
    
    Edd 

    I also saw the DEC binder in FAIR in Whitensville(sp?) several months
    ago.I thought it might be a over-stock by the manafacture because
    I have found some binders there made for Ford and their light truck
    family.
    
    			Wayne

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    I believe you actually call Spag's house, where he has/had the
    "executive office", at 752-8612, then ask to be transferred to 
    the department you're interested in.
    
    It's crazy, but true! I just called and verified.
    
    RB

They have many numbers, some have been posted elsewhere.  I find if
I'm real quick, and ask knowledgable questions (did you get in your
shipment of X, are you open 12/24, etc) they're real helpful. 
However, they don't take to well to 'telephone shoppers' (what kinds
of clock-radios do you carry, how much do they cost, which one has
better features, etc) 

    Does anyone know what Spag's policy on returns is?
    
    I bought something there Monday night which I later saw at Somerville
    Lumber for much less ($16.99 vs. $6.99!, not a sale either).
    
    Do they have a 7 day limit? Don't think I'll be able to make it
    back there within 7 days.
    
    							Thanks,
    								Mark
    

    I am very satisfied with SPAG's return policy. Am CERTAIN (without
    knowing) that if you have the sales slip, your return will be honored
    provided the item has not been used.
    
    				herb

    Ditto to .131.  Their return policy is pretty lenient.  If you have
    the sales slip and the product is unused, you should have no problem.
    There was a note someplace in here I think that said the person
    had been able to return something even without the sales slip because
    the item still had the price sticker that said SPAGS on it.  Give
    it a try, anyway!
    
    The return "desk" is on the left just as you go in the door from the 
    big parking lot.

i've returned things to spag's with receipts, without receipts, right away, 
after six months, broken, unbroken, and all combinations thereof.  as far
as i can tell they are the closest thing to l. l. bean going.

craig

    DIR 255.* reveals several on return policy
    
    
    				herb

ONE CAVEAT:  they wouldn't take back a 4mo old phone because they 
didn't carry them anymore (guess they were all lemons) - told me the 
limit there was 30 days.

    Every ATM within a reasonable distance of Spag's was out of money
    recently.  I've come to the conclusion that I must bring cash from
    farther away as this was the 'one time too many' occurrence!
    

    With the holiday madness and cash only policy it doesn't surprise me.
    WCIS was closed Saturday so they didn't service the machine. Don't
    forget about the one in White City plaza just down the road. I suppose
    you had FINALLY found a parking place when you discovered the empty
    cash machines. And then there's the lack of servicable boxes to be
    found in the holiday hussle/bussle. Gee, I love Spag's at the holidays.
    10 deep outside Door 10 in the Christmas rain.
    
    Santa got a good deal on a Ryobi surfacer/planer and the tool building
    was hardly crowded at all, I heard.

    re .138
    
    Are they really selling Turf Builder +2 for less than Turf Builder??
    
    mike
    

    
    RE: .139
    
    	No, .138 had the descriptions (or the prices) reversed.  I know
    cuz I'm a lot poorer....

    
    
    Yes, sorry about that, I do have the prices backwards.  That's what
    I get for trying to put in hard data..  8^)
    
    I will go back and fix it...
    
    gjd

 
    A (hopefully) correct price list.
    
    Spags is  selling  Scotts lawn fertilizer this year.  The prices appear
    to be better than others I have seen advertised.  Specifically:
    
    Product            Size        Price                  Scotts rebate
                      K feet       at register
    
    
    Turf Builder        6            12.99                Not
    plus halts                                            Applicable
    
    
    Turf Builder        10           16.99                8.00
                        15           24.99                12.00
    
    Turf builder        10           21.99                8.00
    plus 2              15           29.99                12.00

    I think the phone # is in an earlier spag's note?
    
    I have  not  seen  it  in  a  circular.  I suppose I could send you the
    in-store slip which has the hand written item and price on it, (this is
    the slip which you  take  to the register and then to the pickup door),
    if that would do you any good.
    
    Kind regards,
    
    gjd

    Well, it seems that Spags has an unlisted phone number, so the
    phone call verificaton won't work. I guess Spags isn't into
    answering questions!!
    
    Thanks for the offer on the slip, but I think it needs to be a
    sales flyer or phone call verification.
    
    I'll keep my eyes opened for sales in the Nashua area.
    mike

    
    
    NOTE 255.97 has a phone number for SPAGS..
    
    TRY IT OUT!
    
    Steve
    

    re .-1
    
    Yes, you're right! Thanks. I started reading forward and encountered
    a note saying they were unlisted, so I didn't go any further. I also
    called information and was told they were unlisted, but the number
    listed here works fine!
    
    Builders Square in Nashua called and verified the prices and so they
    matched them, plus I ended up with a coupon for 10% of the difference
    on each bag I bought. Turned out to be a good deal.
    
    Thanks!
    
    mike
    

    
    re:-1
         
         Where's my 5% of the 10% :-)
    
    
    Glad it worked out for you...
    
    Steve
     

    There's an ad on page 13 of today's Boston Globe that includes a
    coupon good for $10 off on a purchase totaling more than $50 at
    Spag's from March 13-18.
    

    Does anyone know what Spag's hours will be for this weekend?  Will they
    be open Saturday and Monday, at their regular hours?
    
       Gary

    The only change I would imagine is they may be closed Monday night.
    Saturday should be the same.  Where are you coming from?
    
    Elaine

    Townsend.  It's a long drive, which is why I asked.  I'd hate to go out
    of my way just to find them closed, especially since Builder's Square
    is closer, much more likely to be open, takes plastic, and has prices
    almost as good.
    
       Gary

    Call them and ask.  The number is listed somewhere in this topic.

    Factory reconditioned RYOBI power tools on sale at O'Connor's hardware
    on Rt 3A, Billerica:
    
    Sawzall - $78
    Screw Gun-$49
    10" Miter/Cutoff-119
    
    All reconditioned tools carry full manuf. warranty and are in new
    factory packaging.
    

    Could someone post the dates of Spag's annual paint sale?
    
    Thanks.
    

    This was the closest topic I could find concerning SPAGS.  I'm in need
    of a decent size tarp (the blue type) and was wondering if anyone has
    ever seen them at Spags.  They have an unlisted phone number.  Thanks
    in advance.
    
    					Steve

    the spags numbers are listed in several places in this conference
    

    Spags had a 25 X 40' tarp for $56.95.  Twenty to twenty five dollars
    cheaper than any lumber or hardware store in the Maynard area.  The
    number that's listed in reply .8 is not the number I used to contact
    the store yesterday.  It's not even the same exchange, but it may
    work.  It may not be a good idea to publish an unlisted phone number in
    this notes conference, so if anyone wants it, feel free to contact me.
    Thanks for all the help.
    
    					Steve

    Well, 508-799-2570 does work, I called Spag's yesterday.
    grins,
    gjd

I saw a mention of the fishing tackle counter in another note, and that jogged
my memory.  I was at Spag's last week, and the fishing tackle counter is no 
more!  It's gone, vanished, replaced.  When they opened their new "Sports shop"
store, all the fishing stuff went there.  The hand tools moved down from the
corner where they were to where the fishing tackle counter used to be, and
paint invaded the corner where the tools were.

There were other changes too, of course.  Gardening and plumbing took over the
golf area.  Art supplies took over the racktets, electronics and telephones 
took over the camping area.

But the biggest loss is the famous fishing tackle counter.

Paul

       Where's the 'new sports shop store'?
                                        Denny

In the general Spag's complex.  It's on the same side of the street as the
garden shop, as you go toward the schoolhouse it's on the left just as you'd
turn right to go up the hill to the schoolhouse.

Paul

It was always more fun to *talk* about the fishing tackle counter than to
actually shop there -- the new arrangement is a big improvement, once I
relearn where everything is.

But speaking of Spag's renovation, I was in the store a few months ago
and heard a customer complain about the cramped quarters in the shoe
department.  The clerk replied with a detailed explanation of how the
planned new layout would provide more seating space and make it easier
to shop for shoes, when the new sports shop finally opened.  In what other 
store do the clerks know all the details of planned renovations?  

	Enjoy,
	Larry

    I was in Spag's last night, and the whole store seemed more roomy,
    and easier to get around (hadn't been there for a month or more).
    Was more pleasant being there, I never liked the claustrophobic
    atmosphere, but did like the deals, which don't seem too good these
    days (I noticed more prices aren't much different than other stores
    these days, which is a big change from days past, when everything
    was much cheaper than any other store...)
    
    Fred

Fear not the crowds will fill in all available space ;^)

If Paul Weiss can take a few minutes from debating building codes, could he
update the map in .11 to take into account the new sporting goods building?

    Not really.  I've only been there once since the change, and I don't
    know exactly where everything's moved.  From what I could see, though,
    everything else is pretty much where it used to be, there's just more
    space for it.  If you just remove all the sporting goods from that map,
    and figure that adjacent goods have expanded into the sporting goods
    areas, it's still pretty accurate.
    
    Paul

Spag's is about the best you can get as far as service after you buy...

I bought a DML dovetail router bit there last spring to do the sliding 
dovetails on my cabinet drawers.  What with summer projects, I didn't get 
around to using it until last weekend.  The bit broke where it thins down into
a narrow neck just below the dovetail.  So yesterday I brought it back to 
Spag's.  I didn't have a sales receipt, I didn't even have the little plastic
case the bit had come in.  All I had was the broken bit.  I brought it in and
explained the situation, and the guy immediately replaced it with a new one,
no questions asked.

Even though it's 50 miles away, I'll keep buying stuff there.

While I was there I noticed two things:  One, they have the Hitachi 8" sliding
compound miter saw on sale for $399, which is a great price.  Their regular
price (the best I've seen) is $469.  Fine Homebuilding loved it when they
reviewed miter saws.  Unfortunately, the sale ends tomorrow.  The other thing
I saw was a "last one" 2HP Unisaw (no unifence) for $999.

Could someone who goes there frequently post a note here next time the Delta 
dust collector goes on sale?  Their regular is $329, which is a very good 
price, but I've heard of them selling it for about $289.

Paul

    I put this here because I coundn't find a generic "store" note, and 
because this store is close to Spag's and probably worth a trip.

    HQ is now open at the intersection of rt 140 and rt 9 in Shrewsbury. 
Close to the SHR plant, it is on the westbound side of rt 9. It has a side 
entrance onto the access road to rt 140 so you can reverse directions 
whatever direction you come from. 

    I was in there Friday nite. Big store, with lots of nearly everything 
you are going to look for when fixing or improving your home. I did not do 
a lot of pricing, I left my reading glasses at home. I expect a few real 
good bargains as they establish themselves. My guess is that they will go 
head to head with Spag's on some stuff, and kill Somerville and Grossman's 
in the process. Store claims to be the size of 2 football fields, be 
forwarned!

    No grand opening yet, probably within the next week or so. Friday nite 
was not packed, so I had time to stroll thru the place at my leisure.

    I have no interest in the place other than it being one more place to 
spend my money.....

    Vic H

It looks like they're going head-to-head with *everyone*, including Spag's, by
advertising lowest price on everything *plus* a 10% reduction if you find it
lower elsewhere.  Goodbye, SL and Grossman's and (possibly) Spag's hardware.

Pete

    
    Ah, but do they have free delivery?  Not owning a truck, I've often 
    bought at Somerville because I would never be able to get it home 
    otherwise..  
    
    /Jeff

    
    If the competition gets too rough, then Spags will cut their prices.
    If push comes to shove, Spags has the potential to beat anyone's
    prices.
    
    Mike

My experience with Builders Square is that you can save a few bucks on
commodity items if you have written evidence (newspaper ad, etc.) of
a lower price.  For small amounts, it's probably not worth the hassle.
From what I've seen of BS and HQ, they don't have the selection or
quality of Spags or Somerville.

Was @ HQ last weekend and compared the price of a light fixture, HQ wanted
$32.00, Spags was $15.00.  Also compared a 220v 4000w wall mounted electric
heating unit.  HQ was $93.00, Keystone Electric Supply was $65.00.

FWIW, the place didn't look that busy either...

/J

I visited HQ in Shrewsbury this morning, and I was impressed.
I'll have to go over my price comparisons carefully, but it
looked to me as if their price/quality is overall much better
than Sommerville Lumber -- and they have a lot more selection.
The place is HUGE!!!

For example, they had shop lights with ballasts at under $9.
At Spags, they used to be $15 and are now $10.  The last time
I was at Sommerville, they just had the kind without ballasts,
on sale for $10.  On the other hand, Spags has peat moss on 
sale at $6, whereas HQ ss selling it (non-sale) for a couple 
of dollars more (I left my price sheet in my car).  5"x5"x8'
landscape timbers were a bit less than Spags special price,
and *dramatically* less than at Sommerville and Grossman's, 
but, oddly enough, more than at a hardware store near me 
(Caldwell's in Berlin, who beat out everyone on that one item).

Their delivery policy is $15 within 15 miles for orders from
$100 to $399, plus $1/mile for over 15 miles.  Delivery for 
orders of $400 or more costs $15 less (i.e. free within 15 miles).

Another thing.  The sales help were as deliberately friendly as
I've found anywhere.  At the second encounter, it was clear that
they were all told to say hello to any customer who even hestitates
while walking by.  It made it a lot simpler to ask for help, and
it's quite a change from Spag's, where the clerks are all very
friendly if you can get their attention.  I'm sure things will
change at HQ, though, as they build customer volume.

One thing I'm curious about -- when they say they'll give 10%
off anyone else's lower price on the "same item", how similar
does the item have to be?  Exact same brand?  Or functionally
the same (e.g. 5 cubic feet of peat moss)?  I forgot to ask that.

My initial conclusion is that if I know they have what I need
at Spag's, I'll still go there.  But if some of what I want is
at HQ and some is at both, I'll probably just buy it all at HQ.
I don't expect to ever go to Sommerville again, and I never did
go to Grossman's.

	Enjoy,
	Larry

Re: .170

Regarding the price-matching policy - Builders Square has the same policy 
(find a lower price and we'll match it plus give you a 10% credit).  I
tried to get BS to match Somerville's price on 250 feet of 12/2 Romex, and
they wouldn't, saying it was a different brand.  It was, but I considered
this a commodity item, and if I had been the manager, I'd have matched the
price rather than lose a sale.  I said fine and headed up to Somerville.


Re: general

I have not been overly impressed with Spags for hardware.  I've found I have
to be very aware of prices, as they are high on some things and low
on others.

		Steve

    I live down near the HQ in Norwood and find that it's pretty good. 
    Having only a Grossman's nearby, it really does blow it away.  I've
    seen that the formally packed parking lot at Grossman's now has quite a
    few empty parking spots.
    
    As with anyplace, you just have to know price.  I've seen things at HQ
    that are much less than other places, but then again, more. An example
    of better price is a halogen pole lamp I bought there for $37.77, I saw
    the EXACT same one (same brand, etc) at Lechmere for $59.99.  As far as
    tools go, HQ doesn't carry the better brands (IMHO) like Porter-Cable,
    AEG, etc.  So, I think that Spag's wins hands down on that aspect,
    also, Spag's carries Benjamin Moore paint and HQ doesn't.
    
    All in all, HQ is convenient and they take plastic and checks, but I think 
    Spag's will be able to hold their own.
    
    Susan

    SL is the most convenient to me and I have found that they will match
    prices. Example: SL's usual FullView storm door is $279 and it was on
    sale at Grossman's for $219 (SL's usual sale price is 229). Sales rep
    calls Grossman's to check price AND if there is a delivery charge. In
    my case, there was a delivery charge of $25 or so, so the SL rep takes
    $219 + $25 and offers me that price. I said no deal, I'll wait for a
    regular SL sale and the free delivery. So he wrote the slip at $229 and
    I got the free delivery.
    
    I suspect most places can deal a little, but they need to be pushed.
    And having a printed ad in hand makes pushing easier. Sort of like
    buying a car ;-)

    
    HQ will be opening in Nashua late summer or early fall on the south
    Daniel Webster (traffic snarl) Highway.
    
    This is just north of the Pheasant Lane Mall and JUST south of
    Grossman's.  I rather expect that the latter will only be true for a
    short while.

    What is HQ?

Home Quarters.  There are three major national "home center" chains that
I know of -- Builder's Square (owned by K-Mart), Home Quarters (owned by
Hechinger) and Home Depot (owned by Home Depot?).  They've all made their
move into New England recently.

    
    Ooops.
    
    reply 174 should have said HD - Home Depot moving into south Nashua.
    I didn't realize there was an HQ and a HD.

re: 255.176                        Spag's???                         176 of 176
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Home Quarters.  There are three major national "home center" chains that
>I know of -- Builder's Square (owned by K-Mart), Home Quarters (owned by
>Hechinger) and Home Depot (owned by Home Depot?).  They've all made their
>move into New England recently.

Which will also include Home Quarters in Worcester, Ma on Plantation Road,
according to the Ads in the Worcester Telegram

-BobE

The HQ price protection stipulates same manufacturer, same model number.  I
stopped by there yesterday to check out about six things and they had none of
them (things like shot-filled mallets, flat clamps, � inch oak veneer ply ...
nothing really unusual in my opinion).

I spoke with a salesperson who related a story about matching the price.  The
upshot was that they do not adjust their price just because somebody 'catches'
them, and I'm sure their marketers have a good feel for what %-age of John Q.
Public will comparison shop and follow up on a price protection guarantee.

I've heard ads on the radio for some other new place in Shrewsbury (forgot the
name) that's about to open that sells surplus building materials.  Anyone know
more about them? Do they sell stuff that normal homeowners would use or is
it stuff for commercial builders?

-Mike

    I'm not sure if this is who you heard about but my sister works at
    Howlett Lumber in Charlton (and Holland) and they are going to open a
    Bargain Bay in  Shrewsbury sometime soon. They have one near the
    Charlton store and it is sort of a scratch and dent sale place. Sheet
    goods with dinged corners, mis-ordered custom windows, one of a kind
    vanities/cabinets... You get the idea.

re -1:

The name "Bargain Bay" sounds right.  Thanks.

-Mike

It's on route 20 just west of South Street (where Digital/Shrewsbury is
located).  I drive by it on my way to work.  The signs have been up for about a
week, but I can't tell what stuff they have.  I was thinking of stopping in on
Saturday.

								-- Chuck Newman

    At HQ, has anyone successfully received the 10% off the better price
    in another store (and particularly off Spag's price)?
    

    Not to get into an HQ rathole in the Spag's note, but...
    
    yes, I scored bigtime with an HQ pricematch of a Somerville Lumber
    advertised price on some Armstrong ceiling tiles. HQ's rack price was 
    (approx) $37/carton. SL's advertised price was approx $32/ctn. HQ sold
    me the material for approx $29/ctn (90% of SL's price). Since I
    purchased 10 cartons, I saved more than $80! 
    
    FWIW, on numerous occasions I've also gotten price matches at HQ on
    various items, but nothing close to the dollar volume of my ceiling-tile  
    experience.  

    
    My fiance' and I bought a "Forever" storm door from them about a month
    ago. I don't remember all the numbers but we saved about fifty bucks.
    We've been back a couple of times and they haven't adjusted their price
    on that item. The competing price was from Sommerville Lumber.
    
    Steve

Someplace in this topic, somebody announced that HQ or another similar store
with near-spags prices was to open in the new mall just south of Grossman's
in Nashua, NH.

Can anyone confirm or deny this? I keep looking for a sign to spring up, but
don't see any, and the mall looks like no vacancies exist for that large a
business.

There is a Service Merchandise, perhaps that was confused with a HQ-type
store? It looked like the Service Merch. was a regular one, not a home
improvement specialty one.

Anybody know?

Erik

    There is a "Home Depot" being built next to the Pheasant Lane
    mall (south of Grossman's).  I've seen the "coming soon" signs
    but no date as to when it will open.  The building is mostly
    steel girders at this point.

Yes, Home Depot is one of the anchors of the "Willow Springs Mall" being
built just north of the Pheasant Lane Mall.  Other anchors are
Barkamian jewelers (building further along) and Marshall's.  If you thought
traffic in South Nashua was bad now, just wait till this new mall opens!

			Steve

    There are also plans to build either a HQ or HD in Salem NH according to
    an article I read. There are negotiating for the Parcel of land that 
    currently is occupied by the Fireside motel and the seafood restaurant.
                                                                      

I'd guess it's HQ, since it's relatively close to the HD that's going up
in Nashua.

Does Spag's have bulbs in yet?

Paul

Unless you're asking about light bulbs, you might try PICA::GARDEN.
I'd be surprised if they don't have them yet.

    Yup!

    FYI....Spags is having one of their big "contractor" tool sales this
           week. Two page add in Worcester Sunday Telegram.  Mostly power
           tools by Delta, Porter Cable and Bosch. Didn't see many Makita
           or Milwaukee in the ad.
    
           BTW, both Home Depot and Home Quarters in NH will match Spags
           advertised prices AND discout an additional 10%. You do need 
           to present an ad which indicates IDENTICAL make and model #'s

> Spags is having one of their big "contractor" tool sales

> Didn't see many Makita
> or Milwaukee in the ad.

Hmm, I only took a quick look, but I thought I saw a Makita drill
(model 6404 -- not a cordless) and the Milwaukee Sawzall on sale. The
Sawzall was only (if I recall) $6 less than the regular price, which is
always a good deal, anyway.

    Can someone tell me if the Porter Cable Biscuit Joiner is on sale and
    for how much?
    
    George

Hammar Hardware in Nashua is having a "Makita day" this Thursday - I didn't
notice if they had special prices on Makita tools, but they would have
"Miss Makita" there starting at 3PM handing out autographed calendars!  (I
had thought this sort of thing had gone out with the 1970s, but I guess not...)

				Steve

       Well, I suppose we all knew deep down that someday it would come to
    this!
       According to today's Worcester T&G, Spag's, beginning today, will
    accept VISA and MC! And, starting Nov 1, will be open on Sunday! What's
    next. Bags? Order from chaos!!?
                             Denny

You missed reporting that they're probably going to start accepting personal
checks soon.  It's a sign that the economy and competition is finally hurting.

			Steve

�It's a sign that the economy and competition is finally hurting.
    
    The competition has certainly been increasing.  Just down the road from
    them there is HQ, BJ's and Sam's.  A Costco is opening up in Worcester
    soon.

I can't help but wonder if the death of Spag's wife had anything to do with it.
She was the treasurer of the enterprise, and I have heard that she was the
brains behind its success.  I wonder if she was opposed to checks and credit
cards, so they couldn't make the change while she was alive...

Elaine

       Where's COSTCO going to be located?
                                     Denny

�       Where's COSTCO going to be located?
    
    On the site formerly occupied by Weber Lumber on Gold Star Blvd.

    
    the reason they didnt take check or cards is because
    before it was easy to pass a bad check or card.  So
    they got burnt to often.
    
    JD

    .201:
    
    My guess was that their "cash only" policy reduced or eliminated:
    
    --  losses due to bad checks or cancelled/stolen cards
    --  the overhead of cashing checks (I *think* that the banks charge
    	merchants per check) and the bank charge for credit (3% to 4%,
    	I think it used to be)
    --	the 'overhead' of the additional time spent in line dealing with
    	non-cash payments;  increased throughput at the checkout might
    	translate into fewer cashiers.
    
    I assumed that all this accounted for a respectable portion of the
    lower prices there.
    
    Dick

Banks probably cut special deals for accounts of Spag's magnitude, so I doubt
if they'd pay a per-check charge.  Credit card charges for large merchants
are quite low these days -- probably less than 1%.  And with on-line
verification, credit cards are quick and safe.

BTW, the changes at Spag's have been discussed in NOTED::MASSACHUSETTS.

Businesses don't get charged for depositing checks, but most businesses with
any smarts will subscribe to a check verification service which guarantees
the check, and this costs something (though less than credit cards).

			Steve

re .204:

Fleet Bank charges per item for deposits into business money market accounts.

The three banks I've dealt with in NH have charged from .10 to .25 per item 
deposited in a checking account - including cash (any quantity of cash is 
considered a single item).

    
    Spags' isn't taking checks, just plastic.
    
    Bob
    

    
>    Spags' isn't taking checks, just plastic.
    
    Spag's does, as predicted by several folks, have separate CASH ONLY 
lines available for those with liquid assets to spend....

    	Vic

    I had said that the article suggested that they would accept
    checks in the future.
    
    And yes, there do exist checking accounts which charge for deposits,
    but they tend to be the ones with very low minimum balances.  I've
    never had such an account.  I can't speak for business accounts,
    but charging for deposits has always struck me as counterproductive.
    
    			Steve

    They will take some kinds of checks for items over $1000.
    
    Marc H.

��    never had such an account.  I can't speak for business accounts,
��    but charging for deposits has always struck me as counterproductive.

    What folks have been saying here is that it is quite common
    for a business account to have a charge per-item deposited.

    You seem to be arguing that you've had personal accounts
    which do not have a per-item charge.   

    Anyone know or suspect when Spag's will hold its next "big tool sale"?
    Is it a regularly scheduled event? Once per year? Twice? More often?
    
    Need to make a decision and purchase a new cordless VSR drill/driver,
    but am willing to wait for the next Spag's sale if the prices are really
    as good as people have mentioned.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Freddie

             <<< Note 255.212 by SSGV01::CHALMERS "More power!" >>>
                    -< When is Spag's next big tool sale? >-

>    Anyone know or suspect when Spag's will hold its next "big tool sale"?
>    Is it a regularly scheduled event? Once per year? Twice? More often?
    
    Spags seems to run a tool sale when a mfr gives them an allowance or 
other promotional consideration for doing so. They run different mfrs at 
different times. One week might be Delta, another time Ryobi, another time 
Makita. Sometimes they seem to run a "tool-fest" that offers lots of stuff 
all at once, including the infamous Norm Abrams from TBS fame on site to 
answer questions and work the crowd. (Please, don't start on Norm again)

    Best bet is to watch the Worcester Telegram and Gazette Sunday Paper. 
If you don't get that, then just hope that someone mentions it in this or 
the tools notesfile. Tools will OFTEN have someone mention that Spags is 
having a sale on such and such this week.

    	Vic

    Followup to my reply .212
    
    FYI...Someone in the NOTED::WOODWORKING_AND_TOOLS notes file has
    graciously volunteered to compile a VAXmail distribution list in order
    to notify interested noters of upcoming Spag's sales. See note 1768.

>            <<< Note 255.210 by JUPITR::HILDEBRANT "I'm the NRA" >>>
>
>    They will take some kinds of checks for items over $1000.
>    
>    Marc H.

  Yes, that's always been true. My wife was there last week, and
  mentioned seeing one of their oriental rugs priced at $32,000. Marked
  down from $60,000. She figures they'd take a credit card for that,
  now.

  When she told me about the new VISA/MC policy, I was shocked and
  saddened (mainly for fear of long checkout lines). She assured me it
  seems to be well under control.

  God, I love that store. I would pay a premium to shop there rather
  than give my business to CostCo, HD, HQ, or any other of those giant
  impersonal discount chains.

    I just paid $432 for the Ryobi BT3000 with stand and video at
    Home Depot in Nashua.  Builders Square had it advertised for $480
    with stand, but they said it was a misprint - stand not included.
    Home Depot complained the B.S. price was below cost, but when I showed
    them the ad, they said $480 less 10 percent.  I thought it a pretty
    good deal.  The Build Sq ad said price good through Nov 10 and the
    Depot had a bunch last nite.
    

Sounds like a good racket.  Store A advertises an item below cost.  Since
they have a disclaimer about typos, they can claim it's a typo.  Store B
promises to match (or beat) advertised prices.  They have no way of knowing
that Store A has claimed it's a typo and won't actually honor the price.
It's a good way for Store A to cause Store B to lose money.

    re long checkout lines for credit cards:  the speed dialing and
    automatic registers (with speed dialing, verification built in) have
    really cut this down to where using a credit card is nearly as fast as
    using cash...assuming the store uses these updated systems.
    
    Jim

    I haven't seen any impact on the lines with the introduction of credit
    cards at Spags.  They have plenty of cash only lines and the credit
    card lines do move quickly due to the reasons stated in .216.

    
    Anybody have the phone number for spags ?
    
    

    Mr. Borgatti passed away on friday.  He was 79.
    
    Brian

    
    It was mentioned in the local paper that he started the business with a
    $25 loan. Quite an ROI!
    
    I wonder where his funeral will be...
    

>    Mr. Borgatti passed away on friday.  He was 79.
>    
>    Brian


Ninety seven, not seventy nine

I think 79 is correct.  Also, the loan was $35, but so what...

			Steve

    Spags was born on Feb 29th, 1916, a leap year baby. He was about
    a week shy of his 80th birthday.

    The loan was $35, from his mohter, so that he could open a
    fireworks stand at the current location. You could say the
    business skyrocketed! ;-)

    The store will be closed Tuesday for the funeral.

    He was quite a man and will be missed. :-(

    Charly

    That's a shame.  He was a very nice man.  My first husband worked
    for him at his home/offices for many years.  He was very good
    to us when we were starting out.  He and his wife came to
    our wedding and reception.  They got more attention than
    we did :-)
    
    Mary-Michael
    

Can a Spag's Regular visitor do me a favor???  I'm moving into my new house 
soon and will need a lot of paint, etc.  I'm trying to decide if its worth
the drive to spags.  I understandf they carry Benjamin Moorre paints.

Could someone check on the price of Benjamin Moore AquaGlo (their top of line 
egshell latex) at Spags?

thanks

Gary

Since you work at MKO, check out the price at Nashua Wallpaper and Paint in
Nashua.  They can be quite competitive, and you save the MA sales tax.

				Steve

I just picked up a gallon of the aquaglo pearl (I think that migh be a step
above eggshell and one below semi-gloss) a couple of weeks ago.  it was on
sale then for around $15/gal.  a LOT cheaper than the $25+ the local paint
store sells it for.  I think spags regular price in it is around $19 or so...

alas, this data is a couple of weeks old, so it may be back to the $19 price
by now.

-mark

    My recollection is that the Nashua Wallpaper and Paint price is right
    around $20 (tax-free).
    
    					Steve

    Has someone been to Spag's to buy annual flowers recently?  Are they
    selling in 6 packs or 4 packs this year?  At what price?
    
    I've seen 4 pack annuals at Home Depot and HQ for $0.98.  Spags usually
    has 6 packs for about that price.  I'm on my own with three kids this
    weekend and I'm trying to figure out if it is worth the trip to Spags
    to make out annual impatiens purchase.  Planting is a fun project with
    the kids but taking them to the crowd at Spags is no fun unless it is
    worthwhile.
    
    Thanks for any info.
    
    						Mark