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Conference ssdevo::4wd

Title:4 Wheel Drive
Notice:Welcome to 4WD's new home! = 399
Moderator:TARKIN::LINMAN
Created:Fri Mar 13 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1639
Total number of notes:30449

1370.0. "Snow and Ice" by HDLITE::CARRON () Mon Sep 16 1991 13:53

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1370.1KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Mon Sep 16 1991 14:0813
1370.2A half track is what I really want.MVDS02::SHAWWhich way to Stepford?Mon Sep 16 1991 14:4537
1370.3EXPERIENCES!!!HDLITE::CARRONMon Sep 16 1991 15:2718
1370.4Mitsubishi and Sir Issac NewtonPOWDML::STEILMon Sep 16 1991 16:2115
1370.5Not another "tongue in cheek" reply.MVDS02::SHAWWhich way to Stepford?Tue Sep 17 1991 09:0915
1370.6KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Tue Sep 17 1991 09:5020
1370.7IPOMGR::MAYParts LocatorTue Sep 17 1991 09:535
1370.8AKO588::VULLOTue Sep 17 1991 10:476
1370.9SMARTT::MACNEALruck `n' rollTue Sep 17 1991 12:253
1370.10AMERICAN ARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilWed Sep 18 1991 08:035
1370.11KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 18 1991 08:195
1370.12I like American foriegn is ok at bestDEMING::HAWKEWed Sep 18 1991 08:5018
1370.13INCOMING!!!! Rathole Alert!!!MVDS02::SHAWWhich way to Stepford?Wed Sep 18 1991 08:520
1370.14KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 18 1991 10:0320
1370.15let's DO IT!ARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilWed Sep 18 1991 10:1911
1370.16SMARTT::MACNEALruck `n' rollWed Sep 18 1991 10:592
1370.17AKO588::VULLOWed Sep 18 1991 11:118
1370.18Heh, Folks!GENRAL::KILGORECherokee WomanWed Sep 18 1991 12:006
1370.19KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 18 1991 12:0416
1370.20Onion skin???ARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilWed Sep 18 1991 13:0213
1370.21KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 18 1991 13:3815
1370.22What is your PROBLEM??ARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilWed Sep 18 1991 13:4912
1370.23AKO588::VULLOWed Sep 18 1991 13:5310
1370.24AKO588::VULLOWed Sep 18 1991 14:0512
1370.25Go for itARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilWed Sep 18 1991 14:1412
1370.26Continuing the R.H.DENVER::BERNARDDave from ClevelandWed Sep 18 1991 14:478
1370.27Still Investigating!!!HDLITE::CARRONWed Sep 18 1991 15:1675
1370.28KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 18 1991 15:2310
1370.29DENVER::BERNARDDave from ClevelandWed Sep 18 1991 16:2311
1370.30On NationalismPOWDML::STEILWed Sep 18 1991 18:4712
1370.31Sorry 'bout that chief!ARGUS::HARVEYLabor omnia vincti..VergilThu Sep 19 1991 06:5216
1370.32There is no real secret to snow and ice.MVDS02::SHAWWhich way to Stepford?Thu Sep 19 1991 08:2426
1370.33I understand you may have 70 years of snow driving.CSC32::D_ROYERToo happy being me to be BLUE!Mon Sep 23 1991 09:5938
1370.34Two wheel drive and thin tires do well, if your patientWFOV12::KOEHLERFantasy Factory frensyMon Sep 23 1991 13:559
1370.35Young Weldor in Brit. Grandpappy Skipper, loyal to MOPAR!MVDS02::SHAWViking Departures only from hereTue Sep 24 1991 08:099
1370.36KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Tue Sep 24 1991 08:2412
1370.37Hell, I remember walking thru3' of snow to go to shcoolWFOV12::KOEHLERFantasy Factory frensyTue Sep 24 1991 13:093
1370.38MSKRAT::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 25 1991 09:3217
1370.39HYEND::C_DENOPOULOSWe fought 2nite We killed 2niteWed Sep 25 1991 10:4512
1370.40I don't have a long cummute, so I'm not worried.WFOV11::KOEHLERFantasy Factory frensyWed Sep 25 1991 11:149
1370.41KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Sep 25 1991 12:3214
1370.42Amazing stories! :-)HSOMAI::HARDMANLife's a mountain, not a beach!Wed Sep 25 1991 21:159
1370.43NRMACU::SCHCSRI am the hoi polloiThu Sep 26 1991 05:5034
1370.44HYEND::C_DENOPOULOSUP all night with Rhonda!Mon Dec 02 1991 13:074
1370.45Colo Springs had the snowiest November on record!GENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Mon Dec 02 1991 13:305
1370.46MRKTNG::VULLOTue Dec 03 1991 07:3716
1370.47HYEND::C_DENOPOULOSUP all night with Rhonda!Tue Dec 03 1991 08:2413
1370.48Giles, would you please get the Jeep ready....AKO539::KALINOWSKITue Dec 03 1991 10:0312
1370.49KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Tue Dec 03 1991 11:026
1370.50POISIS::MAYParts LocatorTue Dec 03 1991 12:298
1370.51KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Tue Dec 03 1991 12:5710
1370.52BUNYIP::QUODLINGMup - mup - mup - mup - mup - mup - mupTue Dec 03 1991 15:0411
1370.53Question: stay in 4WD, or shift in/out often?GOLF::BROUILLETMon Dec 09 1991 10:248
1370.54I shift in and out all the timeGENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Mon Dec 09 1991 10:5611
1370.55KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Mon Dec 09 1991 11:096
1370.56Why save it? The truck will die first anyway!HSOMAI::HARDMANTalk softly, carry a big gun...Mon Dec 09 1991 15:3724
1370.57One obviously good application...BROKE::TAYLORNew IQ test: 4-Way Stop Signs!Tue Dec 10 1991 07:3922
1370.58Be kind to our MotherGENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Tue Dec 10 1991 07:4013
1370.59 For Sale? Maybe! SOLVIT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Wed Dec 11 1991 11:0827
1370.60KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Wed Dec 11 1991 11:325
1370.61IPOMGR::MAYParts LocatorWed Dec 11 1991 11:415
1370.62It's not the vehicle...SALEM::JUNGWed Dec 11 1991 12:077
1370.63Tires GLDOA::BARTONShoot To ThrillWed Dec 11 1991 14:5210
1370.64Yeah! What he said....NWTIMA::ELLISONRAWed Dec 11 1991 16:558
1370.65Try this when stoping.NWTIMA::FOXSPWed Dec 11 1991 22:3413
1370.66Just a word of warning for Colorado driversGENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Thu Dec 12 1991 07:4610
1370.67KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Thu Dec 12 1991 08:0711
1370.68Idle set too high? Wrong tires for the purpose?GENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Thu Dec 12 1991 08:189
1370.69KOALA::DIAMONDNo brag, Just fact.Thu Dec 12 1991 08:299
1370.70WMOIS::CORMIER_PLife is Better on a ShovelheadThu Dec 12 1991 10:505
1370.71HYEND::C_DENOPOULOSUP all night with Rhonda!Thu Dec 12 1991 11:236
1370.72SOLVIT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Thu Dec 12 1991 12:1126
1370.73GENRAL::KILGOREAh, those Utah canyons.....Thu Dec 12 1991 12:593
1370.74Never had any problems with any of mine :-)HSOMAI::HARDMANTalk softly, carry a big gun...Thu Dec 12 1991 17:238
1370.75You've got a good one in the K5...CGHUB::DWYERGreg, NaCM, MKO2, 264-8070Fri Dec 13 1991 07:4832
1370.76Good tires=good handlingRANGER::BONAZZOLIFri Dec 13 1991 10:164
1370.77Out-smart that fast idle of yours!BROKE::TAYLORNew IQ test: 4-Way Stop Signs!Fri Dec 13 1991 12:347
1370.78Might be me - dunno.SOLVIT::OLOUGHLINThe fun begins at 80!Mon Dec 16 1991 10:4526
1370.79I should plug it in at night.MVDS02::SHAWOnly Fools and HorsesTue Dec 17 1991 08:1315
1370.80Continuation pointerHSOMAI::HARDMANTalk softly, carry a big gun...Tue Dec 17 1991 09:134
1370.81"SNOW"DNEAST::TORRES_JORGEFri Aug 28 1992 12:2411
1370.82Wheels thrown out of balanceMLTVAX::FISHERKill your televisionMon Aug 31 1992 16:018
1370.83Against the grainJURAN::HAWKETue Dec 15 1992 10:2312
1370.84LUDWIG::YACINOTue Dec 15 1992 11:494
1370.85Wider margins are great, just don't play there (-:ENGLES::BURGESSTue Dec 15 1992 11:5327
1370.86YesCXDOCS::HELMREICHTue Dec 15 1992 13:019
1370.87Yeah, - BUT!MPGS::MASSICOTTESun Dec 20 1992 15:3530
1370.88Friction is function of the interstitial of....FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Tue Dec 22 1992 10:5716
1370.89I rememmer THAT !ASDS::BURGESSWed Dec 23 1992 09:0614
1370.90Good Even wear is important !JUNCO::LAMOTHEN.E. Summer National Staff MemberMon Dec 28 1992 11:2614
1370.91ice again BIGQ::CHANGTue Feb 11 1997 14:4217
    I read through 1370 but it did not really answer the questions I have.
    
    I live on a little hill and need to go up a slope driveway.  From time
    to time, the driveway ice up and becomes very slippery.  My front wheel
    drive car with snow tires does not always make it up the driveway. 
    Hence, I am considering a 4wd vechicle.
    
    Questions:
    1) Will a 4wd vechicle help me up a slope & icy driveway?
    
    
    2) I heard a lot about low end torque, is that required to help me up 
       that slope & icy driveway?
    
    thanks
    
    jimmy
1370.92EDSCLU::NICHOLSTue Feb 11 1997 15:2911
Try the simplest (and cheapest) solution first:
    Have you tried going up backwards?  May not help, but worth a try.
    (When going up a hill, more weight shifts toward rear wheels, hence
    off the front.)

IMHO, you are probably best off clearing the snow from your driveway.

Ice is still slippery, no matter how many wheels.
ymmv,
--roger
1370.93Sand is WAY cheaper!HSOSS1::HARDMANIt's a girl! Now what?Tue Feb 11 1997 18:2210
    If you just *want* 4-wheel-drive, then buy one! :-) But do you really
    need it just to get up your driveway a few times a year? You'll be
    amazed how quickly you'll drive up that ice covered slope if you just
    stop and spread a thin coating of sand across it first. It doesn't take
    much sand to provide just enough bite for the tires. 
    
    You can send me 10% of the money you just saved. :-) :-) :-)
    
    Harry
    
1370.94REDZIN::COXWed Feb 12 1997 09:0916
I have a 4wd Grand Cherokee and a driveway that slopes up towards the garage. 
Not only that, the entrance to the garage is on the north face of the house so
there is no melting.  4wd and low range and creeping STILL provides no traction
on ice - not particularly surprising. 

The rear wheel drive Volvo has NO problems getting up the slope.  It has 
studded snows.

If I had studded snows on the 4wd, I would expect it to get traction on ice.  A 
more cost effective solution is to spread a light layer of a mixture of sand, 
rock salt and fireplace ashes.  

Much cheaper than any other solution.


Dave
1370.95MSBCS::KALINOWSKIWed Feb 12 1997 12:5911
    I have to echo -.1
    
    I have a 4WD Wrangler and my brother has a 96 RAM 1500 4WD truck. The
    hill to my driveway has a very good slope and also faces north so the
    snow doesn't melt. 
    
    Going slow in 4wd does no help much at all. going fast in 4wd works
    pretty good if I get a running start at the bottom of the driveway. A
    good layer of sand works best.
    
    Brian
1370.96thanksBIGQ::CHANGThu Feb 13 1997 07:218
    Thanks for all your inputs....
    
    It is very easy to mix up needs and wants.
    
    Thanks again for clarifying.
    
    /Jimmy