Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    You have to like the way they play so well without all the high priced
    talent like the Blue Jays have.
    
                                 Marc

    
    The Expos are like the Pirates were in the early 90's. Once that talent
    reaches the free agent status - look out. From my understanding,
    Montreal is considered a small market for baseball without deep
    pockets.  Enjoy it now.

    
    Re .2
    
    One significant difference - Montreal hasn't traded away all its top
    minor league talent.  Sure, Walker and Grissom will walk away soon -
    but White, Pride, Floyd, and others will be fine replacements.
    The key will be be for Montreal to continue drafting well.
    
    Joe

>    The key will be be for Montreal to continue drafting well.

This is the key for all of the small market teams.  Under current rules,
they have the player for 6 years.  Use him, like Pitts did with Bonds
and Bonilla, and then replace him with more young talent.  It's far
cheaper to invest in scouts and coaches.

    If only the Montreal fans would come to see the team play they would
    be able to pay the big salaries.They must have the worst fans in
    baseball.

Montreal fans are still recovering from the dismantling of
the great Carter/Raines teams a few years back (like ten?).
Support used to be great, but management got greedy and now
they'll have to be patient. If the 'Spos keep winning the 
crowds should pick up in August.

josh 

    Keeping the young talent in the farm system is easier said than done.
    As the season draws near to close and the Expos are still contending
    and need that "extra" 1 or 2 veterans to push them over the top - guess
    what goes - the farm prospects.
    
    The Pirates did it when they gave the Expos Alou for LHP Zane Smith and
    the Red Sox did it when they gave up Bagewell for a pitcher.

>    Keeping the young talent in the farm system is easier said than done.
>    As the season draws near to close and the Expos are still contending
>    and need that "extra" 1 or 2 veterans to push them over the top - guess
>    what goes - the farm prospects.
    
    Yes, that happens all the time - but there's a smart way to do it
    as well as a dumb one.
    
    The smart one, as the Blue Jays have demonstrated, it to keep the
    best (Delgado, Gonzalez), while trading the lesser talents (Hill,
    Whiten, Boucher, Thompson, Kent, Bell).  Sure, you let some
    good players go that way, but you also trade some who will never
    really pan out while keeping the gems.
    
    The dumb way to go about things, using the Expos as an example,
    would be to trade White and Floyd and White so that they can hold
    on to Pride and the like...
    
>    The Pirates did it when they gave the Expos Alou for LHP Zane Smith and
    
    A reasonable trade, at least in part; Alou, this career year aside,
    has been an OK outfielder, but no star.  If I were a pirates fan,
    I'd be more upset about including Greene in the deal.
    
>    the Red Sox did it when they gave up Bagewell for a pitcher.
    
    I'm not going to comment again on this one... B^)
    
    Joe

    July 26,94 game 1 of a crucial series against Atlanta and the Expos
    come through big time.Now lead the east by 2 1/2 games.

    Maddux pitches for the Bravo's tonight.  Here's hoping the lead goes back
    to 1 1/2 games!
    
    UMDan	

    Sorry to burst!!!! your bubble pal but the final is in from Atlanta
    and the exspos have down it again(montreal 5 atlanta 3).I do beleive
    they have a 3 1/2 game lead now.
    
    
                                   Marc

    Well just remember the Braves came from much further back last year.
    There pitching is still likely to hold up better through the dog days
    of August.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	The Braves might be able to make up the ground if there isn't a
    strike. With a strike looming in August (13th or 16th). Depending on
    the lenght of the strike. The Braves might not have the time.
    
    Ron

Well it is only 3.5 games and they play again tonight. August 13th is 2+ weeks
away and that is plenty of time to make up 3 games.

The Crazy Met

    '92 - Caravan went to Toronto - won the world series
    '93 - Caravan went to Philly - went to the world series
    '94 - Caravan went to Montreal... - ???
    

    Braves win 4 - 1.  Yes, I was at the game.  Rain delayed for 3+ hours. 
    Had to hit the ATM to get more $ for food and libations.  The winning
    effort was worth it though.
     
    UMDan
    

    Well its August 2,94 10 days before the strike deadline and the Expos
    now hold a 3 1/2 game lead in the national league east.Has anybody 
    heard anything new about the strike?
    
                                     Marc
    

    Yup.

    Thanks for that very informative reply,now I'm totally clear about the 
    whole situation.

>                               -< ANYBODY HOME? >-
>
>    Thanks for that very informative reply,now I'm totally clear about the 
>    whole situation.


Naw, nobody dere is home.

Dere all oot in dere Chrysler wid a couple of cases of beer, and dere
drywall stilts, putting up drywall, no?


Eh, Jacques, hand me dat dere screwgun and a beer......

    The Expos now hold a 4 1/2 game lead over the braves,and now have won
    13 of the last 14 games.AWESOME!!!

    Baseball the Canadian passtime! We allways had hockey and soon we'll
    have football.
    Yo Hagley who's the loser in .20?
    regards
           Sean
    

>    Yo Hagley who's the loser in .20?
>    regards
>           Sean


Eh, you hoser....do me.

Once you get all of your notes set hidden eh, you'll figure it out....8^)    

    Sorry about .24 I put it in the wrong notes file so I deleted the 
    entry. Back to the issue of Baseball.  I don't recall in recent history
    the banner flying south of the border.  Like the saying goes.
    Three times a charm.
    
    Marc

>    Sorry about .24 I put it in the wrong notes file so I deleted the 
>    entry. Back to the issue of Baseball.  I don't recall in recent history
>    the banner flying south of the border.  Like the saying goes.
>    Three times a charm.
    
Like it really means anything where it is.

I could see it if most of the players you had up there were from the
Great White North, but c'mon, all I can think of off the top is Larry Walker.


All of this said with tongue in cheek and a big old smilie....


'Saw

PS I haven't been to Montreal in years, but the last time I was there
   it sure was a pretty place -- clean too.

    Well I heard on the news today that the players association is voting
    today wether or not to start the strike tonight instead of the 12th
    of August. It look s like it could be a season ending strike
    unfortunately.
    
                                       Marc
    

    strike will not start early - based on radio reports.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    It'll be a shame if they strike now,the team is playing so well.What
    a let down.
    regards
           sean
    

    imagine what the KC Royals must be saying - 13 wins in a row.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  It would be a major break for the Expos if there were a strike now. History
shows that experience pays off during the stretch and the Braves are the
guys that have been here before.

  The Expos best chance of winning their division this year is a strike.

  George

    Its true the Expos don't have a lot experience in pennant drives,but
    what a team lacks in experience can possibly made up for with lots of
    enthusiasm. Good coaching and lots of fun and enthusiasm have gotten
    them this far. They also have one of or even the best bullpen in the
    national league with Rojas the set up man and Wetteland the closer.
    It hasn't got them in first place in the league for nothing, Sir.
    
                         Marc
    

  I don't doubt that they are a good team but I don't think that beating the
Braves in a full season is a lock. 

  If the season ends next Thursday they have a very good chance of winning the
division since they are currently a few games up however if they have to play
out the remainder of the season, a 2-3 game lead over a team like the Braves
suddenly looks pretty slim. 

  All I'm saying is that based on probabilities alone, the strike works in
favor of the Expos, not against them.

  George 

    George
    Could it be inferred then that the strike would work in a negative 
    way with respect to the Braves?
    
    Frank
    

    If the Braves held true to form than a strike certainly hurts them. The
    last 3 yers they have been awesome in August and September. Braves
    would still likely be the wildcard team when the strike stops play.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  In terms of winning the division sure. If you are 3 games down with 6 games
to go that's worse than being 3 games down with 50 games to go (or what ever
they've got left), especially if you have a strong team like the Braves.

  I've lost track of what they did over the last couple days but if the Expos
are up by 3 games now with 6 to go that would make their magic number for
winning the division something like 4. If they play out the entire season,
it's a lot higher than that. 

  George

    The braves could have a hard time being the wild card team because
    Houston is also playing very well as of late.
    
                                  Marc
    

    Well it's 4 days before the strike deadline and the Expos now hold a 
    commanding 6 game lead on the Braves thanks to a sweep of the Phillies
    on the weekend.YOU GOTTA LIKE IT!!!!
    
                                         Marc
    
    

  Well baring any double headers it appears that if the strike holds the
Expos have clinched the division.

  Parades in Montreal,
  George

>  Well baring any double headers 

Is that where they invite pairs of spectators from the stands to go on 
the field and do a strip tease???

The Crazy Met

  I don't get it.

  George

|  I don't get it.

|  George

It's a word/spelling thang George.  We all know TCM's spelling and grammar are
perfect...

  Oh.

  Ok, now I get it.

  baring, barring.

  When you think of it, one of those should be pronounced bay-ring and the
other bar-ring.

  I wonder what bay-ring would be. Maybe sailing your boat into a bay?

  George

    thanks for the encouragement =bob=
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Going into tonights game against  the Pirates the Expos need one more
    win to establish a new club record of 35 games above five hundred. They
    would bypass the record of the 1979 Expos. Also if the strike does last
    for a long period of time,the way they are talking,the first place
    teams and the wildcard teams would automatically be in the playoffs.
    
                           Marc
    
    

    Well it's the day before the strike deadline and the EXPOS ARE PLAYING
    OUTSTANDING.They now have won 21 out of 23 games and now hold a commanding
    7 game lead on the disgraceful Atlanta girlguide Braves.To bad there
    won't be any baseball tommorow barring a miracle.
    
                               Marc

    Parade in vain!

  You mean if they are lucky there will be no more baseball, or at least not
much. Then they win the division and if there are playoffs they are guaranteed
a spot. 

  George

    
    Sissygirl Expo's can parade all they want.  The Bravo's are in the
    playoffs too (but here's hopin the starters pitch all the innings!) if
    they come back.
    
    UMDan 

    
    AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE STANDINGS THE EXPOS ARE NOW SEVEN (7) (8-1)
    (21/3) GAMES AHEAD OF ATLANTA , IF I DO RECALL THE BRAVES HAD A 5 1/2
    GAME LEAD OVER THE EXPOS EARLIER ON .  NEED I SAY MORE
    

    The fack that the Expos(ed) have won 20 of their lasted 22 has
    something to do with the fack they overcame the Braves.
    
    JaKe
    

RE                      <<< Note 173.52 by POLAR::HAGLEY >>>

>    AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE STANDINGS THE EXPOS ARE NOW SEVEN (7) (8-1)
>    (21/3) GAMES AHEAD OF ATLANTA , IF I DO RECALL THE BRAVES HAD A 5 1/2
>    GAME LEAD OVER THE EXPOS EARLIER ON .  NEED I SAY MORE
    
  No, that says it all. The season ended at the best possible point for the
Expos. The more games they miss the easier it will be for them to hold on to
that lead.

  George

    The way I see it,the only thing that can stop the Expos this season is
    a strike.Should the season continue (miracle required) you can put a 1
    in front of the 7 and thats how your beloved Braves will finish up the
    season.Listening to you boys talkin about the Braves this season you 
    sound just about as bad as the boys talkin about the Bruins in the 
    hockey note.
    regards
               Sean
    

re: .55

and you sound like RCASO of ::redsox fame.

The Crazy Met

    
    When the Expos move to Phoenix, do you guys think we should keep the
    Expos name, or something more indiginous?
    
    boE

    
    
  >> When the Expos move to Phoenix, do you guys think we should keep the
  >> Expos name, or something more indiginous?
    
     I vote for the Phoenix Brownlawns. Barring that, I vote for the
     Phoenix It's-too-friggin'-hot-to-go-outsides.
    

Pheonix Bluehairs?

    
    Arizona Cactuses???
    

    >     Phoenix It's-too-friggin'-hot-to-go-outsides.
    
    that only applies to wusses.  As humid as it was there in July, I'd
    much rather live here where I can at least stay dry.  New England could
    stand to lose that humidity.  Because of it, people can't fathom 108
    being nothing to get worked up over.
    
    It also cracks you up to hear all the New Englanders complain about the 
    heat while us Phoenicians didn't even break a sweat in it.
    
    Mike

    
|    Arizona Cactuses???

That's Cacti Jim.  

re: Pheonix heat

Yabut could I go running inthe middle of the day, like I do here?  From what I 
understand, that dry heat is dangerous for anyone who exerts themselved outside.
Serious dehydration danger.

=Bob=

    Bob, when it's 95 degrees with 85% humidity, do you still jog in the
    "middle of the day"?

|    Bob, when it's 95 degrees with 85% humidity, do you still jog in the
|    "middle of the day"?

No, I still run though.

Actually, most runners seek alternative times during the very hot weather.  If
I can't get out in the morning, I'll run at lunch.

=Bob=

   > How to insult a runner: call him/her a jogger
    
    Thanks, =Bob=, I didn't know that.  
    
    brews

  >   <<< Note 173.59 by CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH "Hakuna Matata - means no worries..." >>>
  >  Pheonix Bluehairs?
    
    Hey you stupid jogger, all the bluehairs leave here in the summertime. 
    The bright sunlight reflects too much off the white patent leather
    shoes and really bothers their cataracts, despite those big old
    wraparound glasses they wear.
    
    brews 

    what's the difference between running and jogging?  pace?

    
|    Hey you stupid jogger, all the bluehairs leave here in the summertime. 
|    The bright sunlight reflects too much off the white patent leather
|    shoes and really bothers their cataracts, despite those big old
|    wraparound glasses they wear.
 
I'm terribly insulted...

|    what's the difference between running and jogging?  pace?

Yea, pretty much.

    so instead of 
    
    LEFT               RIGHT             LEFT              RIGHT
    
    we get
    
    LEFT    RIGHT      LEFT     RIGHT    LEFT    RIGHT      LEFT     RIGHT
    
    yeah I'd be insulted too!

�    what's the difference between running and jogging?  pace?
    
    We always use the three P's-Pace,purpose and planning.
    
    Runners generally run a faster pace than joggers,although if I'm doing
    a recovery run,I may be slogging along slowly.
    
    Purpose-runners usually have racetime goals,joggers tend to be out
    there to lose a few pounds.
    
    Planning-Knowing the weather(how to dress),what time of day to
    run,running on good courses. Runners tend to run at sunrise or sunset
    in the summer to beat the heat,joggers don't always consider that.
    Runners wear just enough clothing to keep them warm and dry in the
    winter or as little as possible to keep them cool in summer. Joggers
    tend to wear sweatsuits year round.
    

    From my recollection of my running days the difference is pain.
    
    runners go as fast as the pain will let them; joggers go till pain
    starts.
    
    Or as previously mentioned a runner will set a goal and make it
    regardless of pain although I did the July noon stuff and misjedged my
    goal and about passed out, vomited a few times, made it and quit.

|    regardless of pain although I did the July noon stuff and misjedged my
|    goal and about passed out, vomited a few times, made it and quit.

Hey, that's when it really gets to be fun.

re: others

I never said that running was the toughest sport in the world, but I surely 
ain't gonna kick the bucket at 66 from clogged arteries.  In fact at 66 I hope 
to be running my 40th Boston Marathon.

=Bob=

  >  CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH "Hakuna Matata - means no worries.." 7 lines 12-AUG-1994
    
  >  I'm terribly insulted...
   You oughta be! do you thin Jim Fixx thought he'd get past 66?
    
    brews
                  

    
    
    
>|    Arizona Cactuses???
>
>That's Cacti Jim.  
    
    
    My dictionary lists either form as legal plural of cactus. Take that
    you jogger!!! :-)
    
    
    

 Hey I'm a jogger and I set goals and achieve them. Just not as fast as
 the runners that all. Then again if being a runner means being as snobbish
 as Dave describes who wants to be one? 

 Good think for me I know =BoB=, so I know that's not true of all runners
 but there are many runners out there who think down on us joggers. Too
 bad for them cause we have more fun........

 ;^)

    
    
    The only diff between joggers and runners is that 
    joggers keep moving at red lights.
    
    

    I thought this was supposed to be a f**KING notes file about the Expos
    not this B.S. that's been unloaded in the last 23 notes. Who the hell
    cares about your goddamn hot weather or jogging.You wanna talk to each
    other like that try another notes file,this ones for baseball's overall
    league leaders the MONTREAL EXPOS.
                       --------
                        ------
                         ----
                          --

    Hey Hagley, what node is the Expos notes file on?

I guess this guy hasn't ben around ::SPROTS too long...

    
    
    
    	Will MLB force the Expos franchise to move if Quebec secedes
    from the rest of Canada?
    
    JimH
    

    No Expos news, they're on strike... Ottawa is at Pawtucket.  Hope
    this lynx issues to the parent club.
    

    re .79
    
    Stop your crying. If fans from cities like Montreal supported your
    teams through thick and thin instead of jumping on the bandwagon
    when they are successful then we wouldn't have them crying about
    revenue sharing and we wouldn't have a strike. We're trashing your
    note because we blame you personally for the strike.

    
    
    anybody remember going to expo '67?
    
    

	I knew a guy in high school who got arested for expo....never mind.



	billl

    Where do you find Alouette or Concorde jerseys?
    
    Can you trade players during the strike?  Where is Walker going to
    wind up?  Is he having surgery during the strike?
    

	Heard on the news last night that folks on the DL do NOT get paid.
	This kinda suprised me.  Actually it was on ESPN that I heard it.


	billl

    I thought they did...
    

    re .85
    
    Listen you cry ass could it be that you could be a little sore because
    you know if their wasn't a strike it would have the 3rd year in a row 
    that the championship goes north of the border.  Baseball, the great
    Canadian Passtime.

    re .80
    
    Hey Heiser, since when has the heat and humidity of New England, or 
    Arizona been a sport.  A study shows that varying temperatures 
    increases ones intellect.  I see the heat fries some brains down there.
    
                               Marc
    

    Marc, I looked all over TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES and didn't find any
    Expos notes file.  They have some for the Red Sox, Mets, and of course
    SPORTS, but no Expos.  What node is the Expos one on?
    
    thanks,
    Mike

    
  >> Hey Heiser, since when has the heat and humidity of New England, or 
  >> Arizona been a sport.  A study shows that varying temperatures 
  >> increases ones intellect.  I see the heat fries some brains down there.
    
     Hahahaha. Marc, you've got potential.
    
    

    re: .77
    
� Hey I'm a jogger and I set goals and achieve them. Just not as fast as
� the runners that all. Then again if being a runner means being as snobbish
� as Dave describes who wants to be one? 

    You sound more like a runner. *^)
    Many runners skirt the line between both.
    
    
� Good think for me I know =BoB=, so I know that's not true of all runners
� but there are many runners out there who think down on us joggers. Too
� bad for them cause we have more fun........
    
    =Bob= is a great guy and a far better runner than I'll ever hope to be.
    I admire joggers. I have lots of fun running. There are some runners
    who don't have much fun and some  joggers who don't.  I just wanted to
    explain that there IS a difference.
    
    To make Mr Hagley happy.
    
    How bout them Expos!
    

    The key factor is last year, our office trip went to Philly.  The year
    before was Toronto.  This was Montreal...
    

    Did anyone hear that Jim McMahon got traded?
    
    

�  >> Arizona been a sport.  A study shows that varying temperatures 
�  >> increases ones intellect.  I see the heat fries some brains down there.
    
    So who gives a rip about some freakin' lunatic Canadian study.  Given
    the state of the Canadian healthcare system, I'll trust the real
    doctors that we have in America.  

    >    Did anyone hear that Jim McMahon got traded?
    
    which one of you are asking?

  >  A study shows that varying temperatures increases ones intellect. 
  >  I see the heat fries some brains down there.    
    
    First, it's a ggod theng the apostrophe police got TFSO'd, or you'd be
    in the slammer, bub.  Second, if this was true, which I doubt, Arizona
    would have the highest intellect in N.A., since it has the greatest
    range of temps of any state or province.  
    
    There is _maybe_ one person in this note that might argue that Arizona
    has the greatest intellects, so I think we can call simply agree that
    the hypothesis is pure bunk.
    
    brews  

    aren't Buddy Ryan and Charles Barkley great Arizonan intellects?

    
  >> So who gives a rip about some freakin' lunatic Canadian study.  Given
  >> the state of the Canadian healthcare system, I'll trust the real
  >> doctors that we have in America.  
    
     This goes a long ways toward backing up Marc's statement about
     sun-addled brains in Arizona. You're a certifiable wacko, Heiser.

    re .98
    
    Hey Heiser,here we go again were getting off the sports subject,but if
    I have to here goes. Speaking of freaking health care systems,didn't
    that goof ball Clinton adopt the same health care plan that Ontario
    already has. Gotta like those Expos eh!
    
                            Marc
    

    
    
    >> that goof ball Clinton adopt the same health care plan that Ontario
    >> already has. 
    
     Why yes, he did.
    
    Everybody else said stick it.
    
    

    Ya' gotta learn something about how laws get passed in the US.
    President can do diddly squat until congress passes something; and it
    looks like what Congress is debating does not look like the Canadian
    system.
    
    re: bandwagon - where were all the Expos fans last season and the year
    before that, and the year before that, ad nauseum.
    
    The Crazy Met

    Joggers exercise.  Runners train.

    Just because someone gets 40% of the majority vote and still wins the
    Presidency, doesn't mean he's smarter than a Hosehead(tm).

    re .106
    
    I agree with you totally the Montreal fans have to be some of the worst 
    fans. If they would get big crowds all the time then they could afford
    to pay for the big money players. But they even play with these young
    rookies and do well,the fans still don't show up. But now that they are
    doing so well the crowds finally show up(bandwagonning for sure). But I
    have to say myself and my co-workers have stuck with them through thick
    and thin.
    

    hey hagley,
    	Does my name look familiar(re: hockey). you sure are testy. You 
    must have absolutely no sense of humor. You cant even let a
    conversation wander a little bit. Lighten up! We are here to have
    discussions not fight over stupid little things. This is twice I have
    seen you now with those incredibly strong (oops i mean weak)come-backs.
    Once again I see you still have a great sense of direction.(sure you
    do) The Braves have always played well down the stretch. Your lucky the
    season ended early(maybe). Otherwise your Expos probably wouldve fallen
    apart. I know these rookies are going to want alot of money now. That
    means the team is very likely to fall apart the next few years. We'll
    just see what happens to the mighty expos.
    						Mike

>    It also cracks you up to hear all the New Englanders complain about the 
>    heat while us Phoenicians didn't even break a sweat in it.
    
It's all relative.

I used to consult in Greenville SC, and the coldest winter day I saw down
there had me out in just a heavy sweater, whilst all those good ol' boys
had out their Air Force snorkel parkas and their electric handwarmers.

They looked at me like I was nuts and I just asked them if they were really
cold or just trying to look like they were.

Of course, the friggen heat in the summer had my cojones draggin' on the
ground.....


'Saw

    RE .110 
    
    Ya I regonize your name for the hockey file,I new I smelled something
    bad. You gonna smell this one up with your stupid comments.GOTTA LIKE
    THOSE EXPOS.

 at 10:30 a mile Dave, I'd hardly say I qualify for runners status...

 Sid's description is the most accurate one. We exercise, Runners train
 and wear them crazy gortex suits....

 ;^)

 

| at 10:30 a mile Dave, I'd hardly say I qualify for runners status...

Yabut Mike, you survived Bancroft Hill - aanyone who can do that is a runner.