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    Jake,
    
    I'm sorry but....
    
    I just got a phone call from TcM.  He's on the road but he asked me to
    enter this here, just for you.
    
    <exactly as dictated>
    
    " To JaKe with Love;
    
     hehehe"
    
    		TcM
    
    <end of dictation>
    
    I remain,
    doing the occasional dictation thang,
    Kev
    

    At least this file doesn't have all of the replies I put in extolling
    the Steelers beating they was going to give the Bills.
    
    Damned offense just had no punch, then Woodson suffered a concussion on
    the punt return that got blown around by the wind.  Baffle-O took
    advantage of the fack that Woodson wasn't there, both on beating the
    coverages and there not being the CB blitz that Woodson runs so well,
    then Shelton drops a certain 6 points, that would have made it 10-7
    Steelers, and on the nexted play, Baffle-O scores to make it 14-3 and
    the writing was there.  Woodson returned and then broke his
    finger/hand.  John Jackson suffered a sprain in the lower back which,
    initially appeared to be a possible spinal injury, hence the 10 minutes
    lull in the game while they attended to Jackson and whisked him off to
    the hospital.  He's OK now, and I think he was released yesterday from
    the hospital.  
    
    JaKe
    

	Was up in North Conway skiing this weekend.  Made a b-line for the 
	lodge at 12:15. Watched the first half, before the wiff talked me 
	into going back out "shooshin".  

	The Steelers defense looked out for blood on Buffalo's first
	possesion.  Stopped them dead on a 4th and 1 foot play.  Neil
	O'donnell looked flustered, though.  That interception just before
	the end of the half looked like classic "Bubby Ball".

	We skedaddled back to the hotel by 2:30pm, just in time to see
	Jackson being carried off the field by an ambulance.  I couldn't
	believe the 17-3 at that point (around 7 minutes left in the game.)

	Like JaKe, though not happy with the outcome of the game, I'm 
	thrilled that Cowher was able to turn a very mediocre club into 
	a division winner, not to mention the one with the best record
	(once the tiebreakers were sorted out.)  I'm looking forward
	to bigger and better things from the Steelers next year.

	Bill

    
    Hey JaKe, how is it that TcM's sorry-assed teams continue to pack it 
    in before midseason yet you keep getting hung with his embarrassing
    p-names?  Pittsburgh teams deserve better treatment than they're
    getting in here.  Keep up the good work... ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    glenn,
    
    this one had nothing to do with TCM.. It was a bet with Big'N'Lame,
    who's Donks bowwed out around midseason, but nevertheless, we made a
    wager and I lost and gots to wear this thang fer another 167 hours and
    3 minutes.
    
    JaKe
    

    This is nothing new but:
    
    The STEELERS won the AFC Central division this year.
    
    The Offense finished 5th overall in the AFC (2nd Rushing, 9th Passing)
    
    The Defense finished 8th overall in the AFC(8th rushing, 3rd passing)
    
    The STEELERS had 4 players who got selected to the Pro Bowl, Guard
    Carlton Haselrig, Center Dermontti Dawson, Running Back Barry foster,
    and Cornerback Rod Woodson.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
     HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!  Love the P-Name...   Jake, Sorry about the
    Squeelers loss,
    
    
    
    			NOT !!!!!!!!!
    
    
    BG

    Jake,
    
    This be PAYBACK time. LOVE that p-name!!!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	re: pro bowl
    
    	Hasselrig (sp)?  Amazing!  This guy never played football in
    college.  Instead, he won 6 NCAA wrestling titles while wrestling
    for Pitt-Johnstown which is a Div. II school (with wrestling in the
    NCAA, you can participate in the upper divisions even if you are from
    a lower division school).  That's a great accomplishment.
    
    re: Steeler season
    
    	It was a dismal end, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
    It will be tough next year cause the Steelers will have to play a 
    divisional winners schedule, but if they can get the offense moving,
    they should come out O.K.
    
    	Saw in the paper today that Bubby was upset and I thought Cower 
    should have given him a shot in the second half.  O'Donnell stunk
    and clearly showed an absence for 4 weeks.  Secondly, they should
    kill/shoot or whatever that idiot that thinks he can play corner!
    I mean, I was waiting for Parcells on TV to say, "Why don't they
    put someone else over there?  It's so obvious that this guy couldn't
    cover my grandmother and the Bills are going to abuse this guy."
    I mean, where were the coaches on this one?  Is this the best they
    have after Woodsen?  Heaven help us if it is!
    
    	Other than the above, the other missing ingredient with this team
    is a clear-cut leader.  From what I've seen, there is no leadership
    on the field from any player.  No player has taken that step and
    said jump on my back.  There was some junk that the Bills were doing
    that I know if Lambert would of been there, they would have never of
    done them or at least he would of let them know how he felt about it.
    I don't see this in this Steeler team.  Of course it is young, but
    someone needs to step forward and become a leader.  You can say all
    you want about coaches that lead, but all the great teams, and those
    that have won the superbowl have always had great leadership from
    a player or two on the field.  For the Steelers to improve, someone
    has to emerge as the onfield leader.
    
    
    bill..g.
    

	Having spent most of the regular season in Pittsburgh, I
	acquired an affinity for the Steelers (despite being a Bills
	fan). The amazing thing to me was how much Cowher did with
	essentially last year's team. There were few significant
	additions (though Parry, I think, was a big help at safety), but
	the coaching made a huge difference.

	As for this game, I think that Cowher was out coached. Buffalo
	obviously made adjustments to its offense to open up some plays,
	and the Steelers defense did not adjust. The loss of Woodson
	obviously hurt, but the passing game wasn't the only weapon.
	Buffalo managed to run on teh Steelers as well - witness Kenneth
	Davis' 10 carries for something over 100 yards. Even if you take
	out his one long run he has a healthy 6+ yards per carry.

	Buffalo's defense, though, has not received the attention it
	deserves, especially on coaching. Little noticed has been the
	outstanding second half performances of the defense, starting in
	week 2 against SF and continuing through the Houston game. The
	Bills have been able to make the adjustments at half time, and
	these have often made the difference in the game.

	Anyway, I wish the Steelers good luck. Any team that beats the
	Oilers twice is OK I my book, and I can't say enough about the
	sports fans in that city. 

	Roy

    The Bubster was whining and pi$$ing and moaning about not getting the
    START Saturday, and then about not getting in the game.  Brister said
    that if HE was in, they would have scored more points.  This from a guy
    who couldn't direct the offense into the end zone .vs. either the Bears
    or the Vikes this year, and had his best game in 4 years against the
    Brown(spot)s(tm).
    
    Brister said he wanted traded to a team that NEEDS a starting QB.  Only
    problem is, when he gets to that team, they'll still NEED a starting
    QB.
    
    Brister STILL sucks!
    
    
    JaKe
    

	I am surprised, after the difference that O'DOnnell made to
	the team and the lousy showing Bubby had in his chances to
	start, that Brister still has the unmitigated gall to complain
	abot lack of playing time. But then, I guess he's always had a
	bad case of foot in mouth disease.

	If I were the Steelers I would trade for an experienced backup
	who is content to be just that, and dump Brister for whatever
	they can get (read: two mouthpieces and a used towel).

	Roy

	One question I have about the Steelers is what happened to Jeff
	Graham? He seemed ready to fulfill his promise after about 3
	really strong games at WR, and then basically disappeared. Did
	teams all of a sudden decide to double team him, since none of
	the other WRs were real threats? Or was he just another flash in
	the pan?

	Of course, another big factor in the demise of the Steelers'
	passing game was Eric Green. If I were his teammate (and about
	100 lbs heavier) I would smack him upside the head but good. He
	may have basically blown the Steeler's season up his nose with
	his substance abuse suspension.

	Roy

    
    >>	If I were the Steelers I would trade for an experienced backup
    >>	who is content to be just that, and dump Brister for whatever
    >>	they can get (read: two mouthpieces and a used towel).
    
    I think you've overestimated Brister's value, there.
    
    JaKe
    

    >>	One question I have about the Steelers is what happened to Jeff
    >>	Graham? He seemed ready to fulfill his promise after about 3
    >>	really strong games at WR, and then basically disappeared. Did
    >>	teams all of a sudden decide to double team him, since none of
    >>	the other WRs were real threats? Or was he just another flash in
    >>	the pan?
    
    Graham nursed a few injuries through the year.  He was playing at 100%
    for the first three or 4 games, and then suffered from numeorus
    ailments the rest of the year.  he's showed me nothing, though, to make
    me believe he's a game breaking reciever.  His ability to get open in
    marginal at best.  What the STEELERS need for nexted year is a GOOD
    receiver with the ability to get open, and who can get open deep.  One
    of the reasons the STEELERS hardly ever went deep this year is the fact
    that nobody was EVER open.
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

    gawd...  I love that P-NAME !!
    
    BG

    Send Bubby to NE...

      Metz, Huh?
    
      Jake and Childs,  how does it feel to play good football all year
    just to have your season ended on a butt whipping note?
    
            Tim

    
    >>  Jake and Childs,  how does it feel to play good football all year
    >>just to have your season ended on a butt whipping note?
    
    Tim,
    
    At least it was in the semi-finals of the playoffs, when most people,
    other than those whose teams are involved, are out shopping, changing 
    the oil, seeing a movie, etc. and just watch the news that night to see
    who won and who's closer to the Super Bowl.
    
    Now, when the butt whipping takes place on Super Sunday, that's when
    it's humiliating to be a fan of the whippee, although I've never been
    there when it comes to the Super Bowl, just on the winning side.
    
    So, how's it feel on Super Sunday, Tim????
    
    JaKe
    

Wasn't exactly a butt kicking Tim. More like ineffective offensive play
and one big hole in the defense that did them in. It was against the pre-
season favorite to win the division so it wasn't like loosing to Seattle.

Yeah it wasn't enjoyable but then again I can't recall any of us Steeler
fans crowing that they were on their way to the bowl when half a season
was still left to be played.

They're young there's room for improvement unlike the Donks. 10 years in the
league now and what maybe one year Elway threw more TD's than interception,
and you know his better days are behind him.

mike

    ah,  i knew you guys still had it in you!
    
     As to ineffective offense and defensive hole(s),  then I guess those
    are the excuses that can be used when the donks stink up the field
    like the sqeelers did;^)
    
      Next year in Mile hi?
    
      Tim

    
    >> As to ineffective offense and defensive hole(s),  then I guess those
    >>are the excuses that can be used when the donks stink up the field
    >>like the sqeelers did;^)
    
    Nah, the STEELERS just had a bad day, the Donks just SUCK!!!!
    
    (8^0*
    
    JaKe
    

Atleast the Steelers were able to cross midfield without a turnover. The day
Donks drive 80 yards for a td is the day when pigs fly......

mike

Although the season ending on a downer for Pittsburgh fans, I think
there is a lot of good to look at there.  First off, you've got a 
helluva coach.   Second, you've got a helluva running back.   Third,
you won the division.

All of those things from a team that looked absolutely lackluster the
year before.

So many coaches will tell you that part of making it through the playoffs
is luck, especially regarding injuries.   If O'Donnell doesn't get 
injured during the season, perhaps he's 100% right-on during the playoff
game, instead of being rusty (and to me he did look rusty).

Plus, a lot of teams lose in their first year back in the playoffs.
Granted, you can make the case that the Steelers shouldn't have lost,
but I think about the Giants in 1985, losing 21-0 to the Bears.
The Giants took that one loss and used it as a springboard to the
1986 season and the Super Bowl.

So, take heart, Steelers fans.   And hey, have some smelts!  8^)


'Saw

    
    		Cough  Cough  gag  gag
    
    	Should have stayed home!
    
    			Cough  Cough
    
    				Cough  Cough
    
    
    	Choke! Choke!

    Nice line Mike.  Gee thats the 1st I've ever heard that one.
    
      The donks did stink up the field at times this year, no argument. 
    Hopefully with a new coach and a couple of decent drafts and/or free
    agents the donks will be contenders again.
    
      Do the sqeelers play the donks next year?
    
    
      Tim

    
     I don't thin so, Tim   ;^)
    
     Actually I think they do.  Didn't surprise me to see the Squeelers
    totaly fall apart.  GAG !!!
    
    BG

	re: last few

	What a joke!  Brown fans and Bronco fans talking about how bad the
	Steelers are.  Hahahahahahaha

	Thanks for the daily belly roll!

	Bill

    
    Bernie was recovering from ankle surgery in sunny Florida.....and
    
    		not being humiliated!
    
    WOOF!

    Bernice have another heel problem???
    
    
    (8^)*
    
    Lessee, I think The STEELERS play the Donks in Pile It High nexted
    year.  There's only one thing Mr. TEEF will be looking for after that
    gama, CAPS!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

>    Lessee, I think The STEELERS play the Donks in Pile It High nexted
>    year.  There's only one thing Mr. TEEF will be looking for after that
>    gama, CAPS!!!!
    
Gawd I love it -- it's starting early.....


'Saw    

    Hail, 'Saw, if it's starting this early, you and Mac and the other Mods
    might wanna keep you're "set hidden" fingers warmed up and ready to
    strike, cause this could get N A S T Y.
    
    JaKe
    

    Charles Henry Noll elected to Hall of Fame.
    
    Took lousy team, rebuilt thru draft, team won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years.
    
    Election was deserved.
    
    Noll tried to downplay it, saying it was a team thang, not an
    individual accomplishment.
    
    
    JaKe
    

>    Charles Henry Noll elected to Hall of Fame.
>    
>    Took lousy team, rebuilt thru draft, team won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years.
>    
>    Election was deserved.
>    
>    Noll tried to downplay it, saying it was a team thang, not an
>    individual accomplishment.
    

I forget which Super Bowl it was (perhaps their first) but one of their
four wins was the first time a team had ever won where no player on the
team had previous experience with another team.

There were 39 draft choices, and 6 free agents on the squad.....


'Saw    

    Actually, 'Saw, I think there were 2 straight with the STEELERS where
    that could be said.  I think it was the lasted two, though.
    
    Noll was one to live only by the draft.  He did this and near the end,
    it was his undoing.  He did pick up a few people thru free agency, but
    not too many.  Noll also was always reluctant to trade draft picks
    away.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    re: Noll
    
    	Yea, can't wait for his induction speech...  Wonder if he will
    bury the hatchet with Bradshaw and Franco?  Would be a nice jesture.
    
    
    	On another note:  Tuned in to TNN on Sat. night and they were
    talking to Cower but in the background was a huge picture of Jack
    Lambert.  I've read where Lambert has really just dropped off the
    side of the earth and has decided to go low profile and just be
    a normal Joe (read where he is an asst. park ranger).  But I've 
    also wondered if anyone has sought this guy out for a asst. coaching
    position?  The guy was one heck of a player and would probably make
    a decent LB coach.  Geez, seems like he could help someone out instead
    of some of the bums you see being kicked around.  Then that brings
    me to Jack Ham.  I know he was doing some announcing, but there's 
    another guy (arguably the best outside LB to suit up) who should make
    a decent coach.
    
    	But I do get a kick out of folks 'thinking' that Buffalo's LB's
    are the best unit ever..  Guess they forgot about Ham, Lambert, and
    Russell.  2 out of 3 in the Hall ain't bad, plus they never choked
    on the big one and they have 10 rings to show for it...
    
    	Seeing the Cowgirls yesterday just brought back memories...like
    Lambert slamming Harris to the turf after he tried to intimidate
    Roy Gerela!  As Lambert said, "Nobody intimidates the Steelers!"
    Now there was a linebacker!
    
    bill..g.
    

    
    >>Lambert.  I've read where Lambert has really just dropped off the
    >>side of the earth and has decided to go low profile and just be
    >>a normal Joe (read where he is an asst. park ranger).  But I've 
    
    Jack Splat is a Warden for the Pa. Fish and Game Commission.  He
    handles poachers about the same way he handled Quarterbacks and running
    backs, too.  He LOVES to nail people taking deer illegally.  Legendary
    with some of his tactics.
    
    JaKe
    

In terms of the Super Bowl, Green Bay the first year would have to
qualify as a team that had no players that played in a previous SB.
Ithought the Jets in SB III also fit the bill, but they could have
had former players from GB, KC, or Oak

�In terms of the Super Bowl, Green Bay the first year would have to
�qualify as a team that had no players that played in a previous SB.
    
    That's true, TCC.  And the same can be said of their opponent. 
    However, that wasn't the question.  Go back and re-read .36.  There
    will be a quiz at the end of the period.

Wonders never cease! A truly historic moment.

Keith "I love the Yankees and the Lakers" Macneal  is actually
right for a change.

The Crazy Met

    TCC, please spell the name properly.  Also, I haven't lost any p-name
    bets, so actually you could delete that entire reply.

    read in this am's paper that Neil O'Donnell will go to the pro-bowl fer
    the AFC as the third string QB now that Kelly is out of it.
    
    JaKe
    

    Mac,
    
    Your living in the past, that p-name loss was a month ago. But I guess
    a guy whos baseball team hasn't won the WS in 74 years can only find
    solace in the past.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    

That show on HBO with Len Dawson, Chris Collinsworth and Nick Buoniconti
have a segement on "where are they now".

They did a segment on Lambert this season.  He also runs a football camp
and they had a lot of footage with him doing that.


One thing a lot of folks don't know or don't remember was that Lambert
was doing all that Linebacking at only around 220.  THAT really says
something!


I'd hate to have to pick an All-Star linebacking squad, because how could
I pick three or four out of these great names"


		Ray Nitschke
		Dick Butkus
		Joe Schmidt
		Mike Curtis
		Tommy Nobis
		Nick Buoniconti
		Jack Lambert
                Sam Huff


Tough job......


'Saw

    
    	I'd throw Willie Lanier and LeRoy Jordan in there too......
    
    Claybroon

>    	I'd throw Willie Lanier and LeRoy Jordan in there too......
    
No objections here.....

                     
    Jack Lambert was made a little different than most, and continues to be
    that way, from what I've heard.  I think he still lives in Saxonburg PA 
    and according to a couple of my cousins who live there he's still 
    not above cracking some haids at the local establishments if that's
    what his instigators are after...
    
    I don't know what it is about that area of Western PA.  There are a lot
    of characters running around in those hills.  A couple of weeks back I 
    heard that this Mitch Frerotte guy from the Bills is from my hometown
    of Kittanning PA, and I was not surprised to learn that he is the
    designated team maniac, riding into practices on his Harley with his
    butt-length hair flapping in the wind.  Even Jim Kelly, allegedly a
    very disagreeable person, returns home to East Brady from time to time
    and will find no shortage of good ol' boys ready and willing to knock
    him down a peg...
    
    glenn
       

�    Your living in the past, that p-name loss was a month ago. 
    
    Oh, so you really are a member of the Larry Bird Jihad.  I'm surprised,
    I never figured they'd let you in.

    Ah glenn,
    How close is that area to West Virginny??  8^)
    
    And as for LB's, put Butkus on top of dat list. And as for LeRoy
    Jordan, not bad but I'd relace him with Dave Robinson of GB. THAT
    man was a GREAT OLB.
    
    JMHO
    MikeL
    

>    And as for LB's, put Butkus on top of dat list. And as for LeRoy


I forgot to mention that the list was not in a priority order, but how
they came to mind 8^)    

    
    Chuck Bednarik's gotta be on that list, too, but I seriously doubt that
    any of these old-timers could approach a Lawrence Taylor from today's
    game.  Certainly not the finesse types like Nick Buonticonte.  They
    just didn't have that speed combined with the 260-lb payload, and as
    hard as it might be for some of them to admit it, no amount of desire
    or toughness is going to make up for that.
    
    > Ah glenn,
    > How close is that area to West Virginny??  8^)
    
    Wrong direction, but same general idea.  The city of Pittsburgh itself
    is actually a bastion of culture and sophistication in the middle of
    the region.  Just ask JaKe (on second thought), for Western PA he's
    actually a yuppie type in that he's got a real job...  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    Chuck Bednarik's gotta be on that list, too, 

If for no other reason than he was the last two-way, "ironman" type player 8^)



>but I seriously doubt that
>    any of these old-timers could approach a Lawrence Taylor from today's
>    game.  Certainly not the finesse types like Nick Buonticonte.  They

I think part of this is due to the "evolution" of the football player over
time.  They've gotten bigger and faster (even if steroid induced in some
cases).....


'SAw

Mac, Mac, Mac

First you live in the past and now you exhibit a distinct lack of memory.
To refresh your memory I append a note from last Friday and so you don't
need to work too hard I highlight the relevant part of the note:

                    <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
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METSNY::francus "Mets in '93"                        18 lines  29-JAN-1993 12:23
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/Don and TCM have agreed to the following:

If Dallas fails to cover the spread against the Bills in SB XXVII
/Don will use the following p-name for one week

 LA Lakers - The Best Team Ever

On the off-chance that Dallas covers 
TCM will use the following p-name for one week

"Certified Member - Larry Bird Jihad"

>>>> Both /don and TCM wish to state that they believe the p-names they 
>>>> will need to use to be lies, but as honorable men will fulfill the
>>>> terms of this "contract".

The Crazy Met (for /Donn)

    Boy, TCCLBL is awfully defensive lately, ain't he?
    
    brews

Nah Brews, just making sure Mac gets the facts right.  Using TCCLBL this
week like you did is slimey and something that sleazeballs might do, but
hey I lost the p-name bet and use of TCCLBL is my penalty so no point
in arguing over it. But I am doing all of this for Mac's good, since I know
that he cares about the facts and I want to be sure that he has the right ones.

The Crazy Met

btw I was expelled from the Jihad even before I joined.

    
    You weren't good enough to be a member of the Jihad
    
    brews

    I don't know if TC(whatever) is too literal or just too thick.

>But I do get a kick out of folks 'thinking' that Buffalo's LB's
>are the best unit ever..  Guess they forgot about Ham, Lambert, and
>Russell.  2 out of 3 in the Hall ain't bad, plus they never choked 
>on the big one and they have 10 rings to show for it...            

  The thing you have to remember about those 3 Steeler linebackers is that
  they all did everything well. They could rush the passer, play the run
  and drop back to cover receiver's if they had to. They also played the
  whole game. This is in comparison to to today's football with pass rushing
  specialists, run specialists and numerous substitutions.

  Yep, in my book they were the best set of linebackers to ever suit up
  on the same team. And at only 220 lbs., pound for pound, Jake Lambert has to
  be the best linebacker of all time. I remember when they drafted him in
  the 2nd round from Kent State Univ. I said Jack who ? Of course I said the
  same thing earlier about Joe who ?

  Another linebacker that I'd put on an all-star team anyday would 
  be Randy Gradishar. He was never a big hitter but was always in on the play
  and always seemed to cause and recover fumbles.

		Keith

    Of LB's?  They're not the best set in the NFL today.  See New Orleans
    for that...
    

Nah Brews, much too irreverent to be a member.

re: Mac - whattsamatter not getting the respect you think you deserve?? :-)

The Crazy Met

    Some people get so defensive at a little tweak...

And some people can be so obnoxious. See 'Saw could get away with it, so could
Kev, Walt, MikeL, others ...

The Crazy Met

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PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll"                          1 line   2-FEB-1993 12:45
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    Some people get so defensive at a little tweak...
    				      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    
    HEY!    I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Oh, that's "tweak" and not twerp?
    
    never mind......
    

    Some people rate... others act like bullies and arm wrassle wimmen...
    

Forgot to metnion JaKe, wouldn't want him to feel left out.

Thats it Walt, youze got the spirit of  the thing.

The Crazy Met

re: .68 

you done nothin', so if you were in a tweaking mode it would be
perfectly ok.

The Crazy Met

    How about taking this to 27.  This is the Steelers topic.

>    How about taking this to 27.  This is the Steelers topic.


This, SPORTSnotes fans, is the noting equivalent of asking someone to
step outside.....8^)


'Saw

    
    >>           <<< Note 32.70 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

    >>How about taking this to 27.  This is the Steelers topic.

    Ya know MAC, whilst you and TC(changes weekly) was junking up the
    STEELER note back there, I was thinking the same thang.  Was also
    appalled at you, MtfM junking up this note.
    
    Many (8^)*'s
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    JaKE,
    
    I LUV the " TCcW "!
    
    (tm) that sucker right quick!
    
    ps - a variant could be " TCLW "   (TC loses weekly)!!!!
    
    HA!
    I remain,
    hopping he steps outside 1st - I'll lock da door behind 'im!
    Kev
    

    Sees Kev and JaKe are civilized noters (gag!) and therefore are
    entitled to having such fun. TCLW - gotta admit it has a ring to it,
    but only for a few more days :-)
    Hey you wins some, you lose some. I won 2 in a row, now lost 2 in a
    row, thats cool.
    
    re: .72
    
    Just one comment. Mac and I try so hard to elevate the level of
    discussion in this note and put some "class" in it but youze Pittsburgh
    folks just can't appreciate it :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Jake,

A most scathing and wonderful p-name is yours......


'Saw

    'Saw,
    
    Only Earl Scheib hisself could put a finish on a face like that.  I'm
    just waiting fer the rust to come thru the paint in the nexted couple
    months.  That's what happened to any car I had painted there.  Looked
    good fer a month or two, then the rust re-appeared.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    'Saw,
    
    Remember a bunch of notes back you & JaKe were having an exchange
    about a big fan moving lots of air through your crew cut?  Well,
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I got a call from yo barber and he told me to tell you he's sorry
    about having the hickups when you got yer hair cut!
    
    
    
    :^)
    
    I remain,
    thinking of a Big Mac attack too!
    Kev
    

    FWIW,  US(eless)A Today ran a vote of NFL players on who they thought
    the MVP was in their respective conferences, The AFC players voted
    Barry Foster as the AFC's MVP.  The NFC'S players elected Steve Young.
    
    Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
    
    JaKe
    

    Heard that the STEELERS are listening to any offers trade-wise fer
    Bubbly Blister,...er.....Bubby Brister.  Thank God.
    
    Maybe the Patriots should get him, hell, hje could probably be had fer
    a tank of gas fer the team car, and a couple of Nestle CRUNCH bars, but
    I don't think he's worth it.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	come on Jake...you fake...you love Mr. Bubble Blow Butt Brister.
    
    	WOOF!
    

    If'n Brister goes to a team that has a fan as rabid as you are towards
    the 'Spots, I'll gladly buy their beer on my nexted trip to
    Massucktwoshits(which, BTW has not been planned yet).
    
    They'll need all the help they cain get, cause the guys a low-life
    second stringer and that's all he'll ever be.
    
    JaKe
    

    When Barry Foster was voted the STEELERS MVP in December, he
    immediately started spouting off that he wanted more money, via ANOTHER
    renegotiation(ala Dickerson) and that he would hold out if he didn't
    get more money, and that he didn't care about the fans cause they
    "don't pay the salary" and a bunch of other spoiled brat style garbage.
    
    Well, yesterday, at a luncheon he was presented with his MVP Award and
    his speech was not one of acceptance as much as it was an apology, to
    the team and to the fans.  He said he said some things he shouldn't
    have said, and regretted it, but stopped short of saying he would
    report to camp without a new contract.  Lessee, the STEELERS, if they
    renegotiate, should put a clause in saying that if he doesn't equal
    lasted years production, they cain take money back out of his contract,
    at a rate of, say $1000/yard that he misses by.  So, having rushed for
    1692 yards lasted year(or thereabouts), they renegotiate and give him
    $800k/year.  Foster, in turn, only rushed for 1,392, or 300 yards less,
    the STEELERS get back $1000/yard, and Foster has to repay $300k,
    leaving him an effective salary of $500k.  Sounds fair to me.
    
    BTW, now that the Bucs have lost Barry Bonds, I guess Foster may be
    trying to live up to having the name of Barry and being on a sports
    team in the 'Burgh, ie being an a$$hole.
    
    JaKe
    

    The Steelers chose not to designate a "Franchise" player.
    
    
    JaKe
    

      Of course they didn't,  who would it be?
    
      Tim

    OK Tim, and who did the dunkeys pertect?????  Mr Teef?????  OR somebody
    that cain play football????
    
    JaKe
    

  Hey Jake,

	What's up with the Steeler's and free agency. Are they going the
  way of the Pirates and losing their best talent or are they trying to 
  land some good players ? Any other Steeler news ?

	Keith

    Keith
    
    Haven't heard anything one way or the other.  Nuthin in the papers,
    either, although they have said they'd like to sign Hardy Nickerson. 
    Nickerson was peaved at the team fer a while, but it is reported that
    he likes Cowher's system VERY much, and likes Cowher as a coach, too,
    and wants to stay in Pittsburgh.
    
    Just hope the STEELERS don't treat free agancy the way the Pirates did
    this year.
    
    JaKe
    

    I read that Mike Tomczak might become a Steeler.

>Mike Tomczak might become a Steeler.

  It sounds like they're givin up on Bubbles. Tomczak ain't the greatest
  QB but I think he'll do better as a backup than Blister.

	Keith

	Yeah Mac, I saw that, too.  Like Keith said, I really prefer Tomczak
	as a backup over Brister.  One kinda wonders what took the Steelers
	so long.  Then again, this is not a done deal yet from what I
	understand.


	Billl

    Neil O'Donnell spent yesterday being wined and dined and getting the
    nickel tour of Tampon Bay, in Fla.   Seems the Buccaneers are
    interested in signing him.  the STEELERS do have first right of
    refusal, or whatever it's called, and cain match Tampon Bay's offer,
    should Tampon Bay make one.  This would probably work out in the
    STEELERS favor if they do make an offer cause then they wouldn't have
    to go thru the negotiation thang, and a possible holdout come this
    summer.  In the event that the Bucs make O'Donnell such a high offer
    that the STEELERS choose not to match it, I'd be glad to see Tomczak in
    camp, cause he could probably easily beat out Brister.
    
    JaKe
    

      Neil has been in the league 5 years? 
    
      tim

    
  >> <<< Note 32.93 by QUASER::JACKSONTA "Cmon baby,finish what you started" >>>

  >>    Neil has been in the league 5 years? 
    
    Nope.  He's been in the league 3 years, but is a restricted free agent.
    
    JaKe
    

    The STEELERS lost two players to free agancy yesterday.  Hardy
    Nickerson signed a reported 3-year $5.1 million contract with the
    Tampon Bay Buccaneers, and Aaron Jones signed a contract wif the New
    England Patsies.
    
    With Nickerson moving to the Bucs, the STEELERS are now allowed to sign
    another big $$$ player, up to the same dollar amount the Nickerson
    signed for.
    
    For the Pats taking Jones, a bust after 5 years in the league, off of
    the STEELERS hands, the Pats will recieve 3 cases of Iron City, and 20
    pounds of Pittsburgh Surf-N-Turf(10 lbs Carp, 10 Lbs Keilbasa).
    
    Thanks Patsies
    
    JaKe
    

>>  Hardy Nickerson signed a reported 3-year $5.1 million contract with the
>>  Tampon Bay Buccaneers

Damn! I was really hopin the Steelers were going to hang on to this guy.  He
is a monster linebacker, in keeping with the Jack Hamm and Jack "Buzzard
Breath" Lambert.


Billl

    Supposedly, the STEELERS were waiting fer Nickerson's agent to give
    them the money figures, and they wanted to match it.
    
    Nickerson's agent says he gave them the $$$ figures, and the STEELERS
    said they'd come nowhere near that amount.
    
    Now, let's sit back and see waht Tampon Bay does regarding O'Donnell,
    whom the Bucs say they WILL make an offer to.  The STEELERS have the
    right to match that offer and keep O'Donnell, who says the STEELERS
    made the playoffs because of him, a STEELER.
    
    jaKe
    

    What position does this Aaron Jones play?

    
    >>           <<< Note 32.98 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

    >>What position does this Aaron Jones play?
    
    Left A$$hole.
    
    Seriously, he played a lot of end, guard and tackle here in Pittsburgh.
    
    Sat on the END of the bench, GUARDed the gatorade, and TACKLEd anybody
    who came near it.
    
    (8^)*
    
    
    Reality: Defensive End(and redifined the position as far as mediocrity
    goes.
    
    
    JaKe
    

Tell us how you REALLY feel, Jake.....

    'Saw if JaKe did that it would probalby be hidden.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  I can't believe that anyone went to the trouble to lure Aaron Jones
  away from the Steelers. He's just another one of their long list of #1
  draft choice busts. At least they draft well in the later rounds.

	Keith

    I think they might have paid the Patsies to take him off their hands.
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    The STEELERS lost another player to free agency.  Tunch Ilkin signed
    witth the Green Bay Packers fer something like $2 mil fer two years.
    
    Ilkin was told by Bill Cowher that if he stayed in Pittsburgh this
    year, he would be a backup to lasted year's first round pick, Leon
    Searcy, who Cowher said would be the starter this year.
    
    There was a write-up in today's paper here on Tim "Sniff-Snort" Worley. 
    he says he's gotten marrie din the lasted year, had a kid(well, his
    wife had the kid), and has totally settled down.  he says he's clean
    from drugs and booze, and ready to take over the Steeler running back
    job again.  IMHO, I'll believe it when I see him play fer the whole
    year.
    
    JaKe
    

    It was reported that the Tampon Bay Bucs will offer Neil O'Donnell $13
    mil over 3 or 4 years.  Although the STEELERS have said they will match
    any offer he gets, there is rumor around here that if Neil gets that
    kind of offer, he'll be wearing orange and white nexted year.
    
    The STEELERS reported today that when the salary cap takes effect in
    '94, ttheir present outlay will be just below the limit(seem like
    they're setting up the fans fer a distappointment).
    
    The article went on to say that teams like the Jests, who are cranking
    out the cash big time this year, will have some huge cutting to do to 
    make it under the cap.
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

The way the Jets have structured their free agent contracts is with a
very large chunk being paid for the 1993 season. The payments for the
1994 and 1995 seasons are much smaller. They did this since then they would not
be that affected when the salary cap went into effect. Cap cannot go
into effect before the 1994 season.

The Crazy Met
 

  Tunch Ilkin was a very good Steeler for a long time. But he's past his
  prime. I can't blame the Steelers for letting him go. In my opinion,
  there's a lot of big bucks being thrown all over the NFL at some players 
  who are over the hill.
 
  I'd hate to see O'Donnell leave but is he really a 13 million dollar QB ?

	Keith

    Word around here is that O'Donnell will be heading south real soon.
    
    Oh No, that leaves the prospect of going back to "Bubby Ball".
    
    Damn it.
    
    JaKe
    

	I gots ta agree with  Keith.  I hate to see O'Donnell go, BUT he 
	is far from a $13M quarterback.  After the way Brister has performed (NOT)
	of late, I can't imagine Cowher going back to that stiff.

	Maybe, just maybe, they have something in the works.  Oh well, I guy
	can dream can't he.


	Billl

They're talking to Tomczak just in case...

    �I'd hate to see O'Donnell leave but is he really a 13 million dollar
    �QB ?
    
    I heard an ESPN report this morning that said TB was offering O'Donnell
    $6 mil for three years....anybody else hear this?
    
    Carlitos
    

    	Don't laugh.  Huge Millions would probably do well on a team
    with a running game and a semblance of an offensive line.  Parcells 
    needs a scapegoat and Huge is as good as anyone.  
    
    				/Don

    Yo /Don,
    Are you, ahem, donning black yet in anticipation of Lisa Coles'
    defection also?  She was on Anvilhaid at drivetime last night the same
    time her DudleyDooright was on 'RKO with Dick Lutsk. Anvilhaid was
    looking fer honeymoon ideas for Hugh and Lisa. Po' Hugh didn't sound
    as erudite and polished as he usually does. Sounded like he stopped off
    as Daisy's fer a few afore he went on the air. Wouldn't blame him.
    
    
    MikeL
    
    

    	The loss of Lisa Coles would be a great blow to the organization.

    Tow offers sheetssigned that the STEELERS have the opportunity of
    matching.
    
    One, Tampon Bay offered Neil O'Donnell $8.125 million over three years. 
    The STEELERS have until Friday to match it, or they lose him and
    receive only a third round pick from Tampon Bay, because the STEELERS
    made him the minimum offer of $265,000.  If they had offered him $500K,
    and lost him, they'd get a first round pick.
    
    The second offer sheet was presented to linebacker Jerroll Williams,
    fer $1.7 mil fer 1 year.  That will be 12 times what Williams made
    lasted year.  The STEELERS, again, made a outrageously low offer and
    will receive only a third round pick fer Williams, also, if he goes.
    
    Why the STEELERS are making a$$holeishly low offers befuddles me. 
    O'Donnell was sure to make at least $800k this year, and to make such a
    ridiculously low figure is just plain DUMB.
    
    Oh well, 11-5 this year, maybe 5-11 nexted season.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Latest word on Neil O'Donnell is that the STEELERS are shopping him fer
    a trade.  If they find a trade that nets them better than the 3rd round
    pick they'd get from Tampon Bay, they'll sign him then do the trade. 
    they have hinted that they may even sign him & trade him to Tampon Bay
    fer a second rounder.
    
    All this tells me the STEELERS, who had the lowest payroll lasted year,
    ain't committed to paying the bucks to keep the better players here,
    and will "try" to shore things up thru the leftovers in the free agent
    pool.
    
    Also, they signed two linebackers today, but I cain't fer the life a me
    remember any names.
    
    JaKe
    

    

    

    WEll, the STEELERS announced a suprise move here in the 'Burgh tonite,
    concerning Neil O'Donnell and the free agency thang,
    
    
    They matched Tampon Bay's offer and announced they WILL NOT trade him
    and that he will be the QB nexted year.
    
    I, fer one, am ecstatic hearing this news, cause the prospect of "Bubby
    Ball" nexted year was NOT making me happy.
    
    JaKe
    

    

  Well, Neil O'Donnell is the best QB they've had since Terry B. and I'm
  glad he'll be wearin the Black n Gold next year but that's still a LOT 
  OF MONEY. I wonder what they'll do when Barry Foster, Rod Woodson and Greg 
  Loyld start gettin big buck offers from everybody all over the league.
  There's got to be a bottom to some of the owner's pockets in the NFL.

  BTW, is there any news or speculation on who they want to draft or what 
  position they'll be trying to improve in the draft.

	Keith

    It appears now the the STEELERS have made Brister expendable(So Long
    Bubby, don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the ay out) since they
    signed Mike Tomczak to be O'Donnell's backup nexted year.
    
    Also, they let Jerrol Williams go to the Chargers and they signed free
    agent linebacker Kevin Greene, who was formerly with the Rams.
    
    JaKe
    

      Kevin Greene is a good pick up.

    
    Yabbut Kevin Greene is a stiff!
    
    
    snort!
    
    I remain,
    freely agenting Tatoo as a short blocker!
    Kev
    

    
    >>I remain,
    >>freely agenting Tatoo as a short blocker!
    >>Kev
    
    And you come up to about, say, Tatoo's shoulders, right Kev????
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Yabbut de plane de plane fakt is if'n a big Steeler blocker tried
    to flatten him, Tatoo could grab on him and we could say that Green,
    the stiff, also got a tatoo while playing!
    
    Everbody knows ya gotsa sit still ta get a tatoo and so far,
    the_other_Kev qualifies cause he's a stiff!!!!
    
    
    snort schelep schnops!
    
    I remain,
    wondering if steelers rust in spittsburg?
    Kev
    

    
    The Steelers are reportedly close to signing a veteran wide receiver,
    once known fer his speed and great hands, that receiver is 
    
    LOUIS LIPPS!!!
    
    The worked him out yesterday at Three Rivers, said he caught anything
    thrown near him, and still cain run a 45.-4.6 40 yd.
    
    REportedly, there won't be much cash in the contract base, but manyt
    many incentives will be built in.
    
    Lipps had numerous hamstring problems early in his career, and it
    wasn't until Jon Kolb put him into a rigorous workout schedule, with
    mucho running up and down STEEP hills, that Lipps was able to put the
    hamstring problems behind him.
    
    Lasted eyar, Lipps thought he was worth over $1/yr, but the Steelers
    only offered $850k.  Lipps held out, and the team released him in
    October with Free Agency looming on the horizon.  Lipps signed on with
    the New Orleans Saints, and caught 2 passes fer 1 yard, before going on
    injured reserve with, what else, hamstring problems, and was released
    after two weeks.
    
    Lipps reportedly will be a slot receiver, a possession type receiver.

    Here's hoping that the Steelers put Lipps thru rigorous training to get 
    those hams in shape, and that Lipps has a great year fer the Steelers.    
    
    JaKe

    The STEELERS signed Louis Lipps to a 1 year, + 1 option
    year, contract yesterday.
    
    No $$$ figures were announced, but the contract is said to be loaded
    with performance incentives.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    

    With the drafting of CB Deon Figures and LB Chad Brown the Steelers now
    have 6 former Buffs on their roster.
    
    Joe

>    With the drafting of CB Deon Figures and LB Chad Brown the Steelers now
>    have 6 former Buffs on their roster.
    
  Being a Buff and Steeler fan, needless to say, I was very happy with the 
  draft yesterday. I think they got an exceptional CB with Figures. I know that
  people will try to compare him to Woodson but he's really a very different
  type of player. I wouldn't call him a big hitter and he doesn't have
  exceptional speed like Woodson. But he's got a knack for blanket coverage
  of receivers and is exceptional in his last few steps in closing on a 
  receiver. Also, he has great hands and exceptional leaping ability. In fact 
  the Steelers may want to try him at wide receiver. He's a great all around
  athlete who has long jumped over 21 feet and high jumped 6'10". He also
  has been known to walk the width of a football field while standing on his 
  hands. I'm surprised he was still available for the Steelers.

  Chad Brown, was one of the preseason favorites to win the Butkus award
  last season. However, he broke a hand and had problems with back spasms
  and ended up playing hurt all year. Still, he played better than most
  linebackers could dream of. The pro scouts say he relies too much on 
  quickness and finess but I've seen him run right over blockers without hardly
  slowing down on the way to the QB.

  Both Figures and Brown were 3 years starters and made big contributions 
  in the championship year. They both look good in Black and Gold.

  BTW, I only count 5 ex-Buffs on the Steeler rouster. Figures, Brown, 
  Ariel Solomon, Joel Steed and Stumpy Howe. Who'd I miss ?

	Keith

>  BTW, I only count 5 ex-Buffs on the Steeler rouster. Figures, Brown, 
>  Ariel Solomon, Joel Steed and Stumpy Howe. Who'd I miss ?

Solomon Wilcots.

  One thing I forgot to mention anout Chad Brown is that he's a very serious
  snake collector and breeder. When he moves to the Steel City, he'll bring
  a bunch of rattlers, boa's, pythons and other exotic snakes. He'll probably
  have more snakes in his apartment than the city zoo has. Before one of the
  Orange Bowls, he got into trouble with the coaches because he took a quick 
  trip to the Bahama's to add a rare snake to his collection and ended up 
  late to one of the practices.

		Keith

    What's really strange is that Ariel Solomon also collects snakes.
    
    
    Joe

    Either of these guys collect Tasmanian one-eyed-oyster-spitting
    snakes?????
    
    
    INquiring minds and all that tihs
    
    
    JaKe
    

>    Either of these guys collect Tasmanian one-eyed-oyster-spitting
>    snakes?????
    
  Are those the ones that are wiggling around in the basement of the 
  Pittsburgh Brewery Co. ? If so, I'll tell Chad to get in touch with you
  when he gets to town cuz I'm know he'll want one and I'm sure you're
  familiar with the place where Iron City is refined.

	Keith

    
  >>Are those the ones that are wiggling around in the basement of the 
  >>Pittsburgh Brewery Co. ? If so, I'll tell Chad to get in touch with you
  >>when he gets to town cuz I'm know he'll want one and I'm sure you're
  >>familiar with the place where Iron City is refined.
    
    God only knows what you'll find wiggling around in the basement of
    Pittsburgh Brewing.  BTW, yes, I AM familiar with the  pit er place
    where Iron City is "created".
    
    JaKe
    

    FWIW,  the STEELERS signed Linebacker Greg LLoyd to a contract
    extension worth a reported $7.1 mil, but I cain't remember teh length.
    
    Lloyd would have become a free agent at the end of this coming season.
    
    JaKe
    

	Noticed in AMERICAN_FOOTBALL that the Steelers drafted Alex Van Pelt
	(QB, Pitt) as their last pick (#216).  He is quite an athlete, but after
	an amazing freshman and sophmore year, he really seemed to fade his last
	two years.

	Off the top of my head I can't think of any other Division I school
	with the same starting qb for his whole four years.


	billl

  I don't know if Van Pelt has the talent for the NFL or not. But, I'm glad 
  that the Steelers are going to give him a chance to make the team. I hope
  they bring him along slow and don't get impatient. His confidence can't 
  be very high after last season. I think that coaching and a lack of a 
  supporting cast really hurt him in his last few years. 

  Pitt really really went down hill fast when they hired Foge Fazio(or whatever
  his name was) as coach. It will be interesting to see what happens at Pitt 
  now that Johnny Majors is back. Majors isn't a young coach anymore and he
  has some health problems but he has been one of the best coaches over the
  last 20 years. Plus, the Pitt football program has really hit rock bottom
  and can't go anywhere but up.

	Keith

    It's too bad Pitt's program went sour after some years of success under
    Majors. Y'all 'burghers should remember that Pitt was one of the rocks
    of college football in its initial heyday ( 1820's and 30's). I'll
    be rooting for Pitt to become a national presence again.
    
    Foge Fazio was never haid coach mterial, IMO. He was a defensive
    coachall his life and that seemed his niche.. He was basically
    overmatched as haid coach.. I know Lou Holtz hired him as defensive
    coordinator at ND for one year(mebbe it was D line coach). He was real
    strong in that role.
    
    Now lemmee say this about Van Pelt. Sorry, but the main had physical
    skills, but he never really impressed me in college. Yea, his frosh and
    soph years he had some good stats, but after Pitt was down by 20 or so
    every game. And again, he had litt;e supporting cast, but an 8th round
    pick is a hope and a prayer.
    
    Finally, IMO, hiring Majors again will help in recruiting, but I hope
    Johnnygets some athletes and lets someone else make resukts outta it.
    Might be too late for him..
    
    JMHO
    MikeL
    

    In Van Pelt's(whose sister Lucy, seen daily in the Peanuts comic strip
    is a BABE) freshman year, Darnell Dickerson had won the starting job,
    but decided more that he wanted to be an a__hole than a QB.  Dickerson
    was, IMHO, another Randall Cunningham type, could run, throw, and evade
    rushers with the best.  When Dickerson lost the job, Van Pelt came in,
    in the late season, and was truely impressive.  
    
    Unfortunately, Paul Hackett got his "lifetime" contract to coach the
    Panthers, and proceeded to recruit horribly, and ran the Pitt program
    straight into the ground.
    
    FWIW, Van Pelt is 6'0", and goes not too much over 200.  Not very big
    fer the NFL.
    
    It is rumored that the STEELERS are shopping Brister around, and wanna
    deal him away, then let Rick Strom and Van Pelt fight it out fer the
    third QB spot.
    
    JaKe
    

    There was another Pitt QB that had great freashman and sophomore years
    and so so junior and senior yrs and his stock dropped by draft day and
    the Dolphins grabbed him in the 6th round in 83 I think.........the
    rest is history.
    
    
    Tom

Marino went at the very end of the first round or in the 2nd, certainly
not in the 6th.

The Crazy Met

    
    
          He was one of the 6 QB's that were all taken in the first rd.
    
    Kelly,Eason (BAHHHHH),O'Brien,Elway,Blackledge and Danny boy
    
    Chap

    I just don't recall Van Pelt having that many physical skills, to tell
    you the truth.  He's not that big, doesn't have a great arm, and he 
    seemed to be out of shape.   Or am I thinking of someone else?
    
    glenn
    

>    seemed to be out of shape.   Or am I thinking of someone else?


Glenn, you're obviously confusing him wif me!    

    You're right glenn.. That's Van Pelt.
    
    And if he becomes 1/3rd the QB Dan Marino is, I'll eat the hat of
    whoever said dat!
    
    MikeL
    

	
	Sun Aug 1	vs. San Fran (at Barcelona, Spain) 1pm
	Sat Aug 7	vs. NY Jets (home) 6pm
	Sat Aug 14	vs. NY Giants (away) 8pm
	Sun Aug 22	vs. Washington (home) 8pm
	Thu Aug 26	vs. Minnesota (away) 8pm

    Tim Worley asked and got reinstated within the lasted day or so.
    
    Worley has reportedly been voluntarily tested 3 times a week since
    December.  
    
    Cowher said his place on the team isn't locked in, but it would be nice
    if he regains his old form, and challenges Foster fer a spot in the
    backfield.
    
    JaKe
    
    

Subject: Steelers Foster wants new contract
Date: Fri, 28 May 93 8:42:25 PDT
 
	PITTSBURGH (UPI) -- The agent for Pittsburgh Steelers running back
Barry Foster says his client wants a new contract and may not report to
training camp if he doesn't get one.
	Jordan Woy, Foster's agent, outlined Foster's demands in a contract
proposal recently received by the Steelers.
	The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette said Friday Foster wants a contract that
will boost the $460,000 salary he is scheduled to make next season to
nearly $3 million.
	Foster signed a new contract with the Steelers before last season
that was supposed to last through 1994. But that was before free agency
and before quarterback Neil O'Donnell signed an $8.2 million contract
with the Steelers.
	Foster rushed for 1,690 yards last season on 390 carries, each
setting a team record.
	Woy compared Foster's salary demands to those of Dallas running back
Emmitt Smith, who led the NFL in rushing with 1,713 yards last season.
	Woy said, ``Emmitt Smith is looking for $4 million, and he'll
probably get it.''
	The Steelers declined to comment on Foster's contract situation,
citing team policy.

    Foster has ONE good year and he wants paid like he's had 3 or 4 good
    years in a row.  What a bozo.  Let him go another year and see if he
    cain repeat his performance of last year.  Plus, the guy renegotiated
    his contract lasted year, and signed the thing happily, now he thinks
    the STEELERS should gladly just tear up the old contract, on which the
    ink is barely dried, and write him a new one because of the one good
    year.
    
    Maybe they should give him big bucks, but put a clause on the contract
    that protects the STEELERS should he get hurt, or just not produce the
    way he did lasted year, say:
    
    1500-1700 yards		$3 mil
    1250-1499 yds		$2 mil
    1000-1249 yds		$1 mil
    750-999 yds			$700 K
    0-749 yds			$425 K
    
    Sounds fair to me.  Pay fer performance.
    
    My main gripe is the guy had a total of less than 700 yds in two
    previous seasons, and STILL wanted more money.  whadda we have here,
    another Eric Dickhea...er Dickerson????
    
    
    JaKe
    

    > My main gripe is the guy had a total of less than 700 yds in two
    > previous seasons, and STILL wanted more money.  whadda we have here,
    > another Eric Dickhea...er Dickerson????
    
    But did the Steelers give him the opportunity to run the ball those
    seasons?
    
    I think the Steelers should compromise, because without Foster they're
    nowhere, and he knows it, and they know it.  Unlike with the situation
    you have in baseball where contracts are two-sided propositions, the 
    contract Foster signed sounds like one of these NFL deals for non-free 
    agent low draft picks where he's stuck with what they're offering, 
    whether he likes it or not, regardless of performance.  Now that 
    they've changed the offense and based it on him and he's a key star,
    I can see where the non-negotiable status quo is no longer acceptable
    to him.
    
    glenn
    

    
    >>I think the Steelers should compromise, because without Foster they're
    >>nowhere, and he knows it, and they know it.
    
    Fine, give him the current contract he has, PLUS an incentive scale
    something like I put in -.2.
    
    
    JaKe
    

Free agency does amazing things, doesn't it? Players start getting 
market value, what a notion! About time the NFL commie owners who
for years masqueraded as capitalists who wanted to make sure that
the league remained competitivie have to pay up.

The Crazy Met

    DA BUBSTER'S GONZO!!!!
    
    Steelers release Brister, JaKe pounds brewskis in celebration.
    
    JaKe
    

     So are the Knicks, Sonics....Opps! Wrong  note
    
     Ben

    no he wasn't that bad, Jake just needed an excuse to pound brewskis. 
    8^)

    But Bubby was the 4th highest rated Steeler QB of all time!!!!

      Maybe the Faiders will pick up Bubbsy?  
    
       I bet Bubbsy wasn't as heart broken as his mommy!  It seems just
    like yesterday when the NBC folks fell in love with that "I will
    attend your games" routine.  
    
      So what are they going to do if Neil gets hurt?
    
      Tim

    
    >>          <<< Note 32.165 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

    >>But Bubby was the 4th highest rated Steeler QB of all time!!!!
    
    Which ain't saying much for the STEELERS track record as far as QB's
    are concerned.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    >>  So what are they going to do if Neil gets hurt?
    
    Mike Tomczak is the STEELERS backup QB.  Rick Strom and Alex Van Pelt
    are going to fight it out for the third QB slot.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    >><<< Note 32.164 by SOLANA::MAY_BR "Inside Intel, but no Intel inside" >>>

    >>no he wasn't that bad, Jake just needed an excuse to pound brewskis. 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    No excuse needed this weekend, had a case of 16 ounce Iron City Roberto
    Clemente cans that I started "processing" into liquid waste.
    
    Re Brister:
    
    No team will pick him up for 10 days after he was waived.  The Steelers
    can decide to "keep" him if some team does, and then try to trade him
    to that team.  After the ten day waiting period, he is no longer
    property of the STEELERs and any team cain schnarf him up(not that any
    team SHOULD) and make him theirs.  Brister said he wants to go
    somewhere where he cain be the starting QB.  Guys got a BIG HAID don't
    he??  Brister was 28-29 in his 57 starts, throwing 51 TD's and 59
    interceptions.  Great in that way, eh??
    
    Hope he rots on the waiver wire.
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

    Brutal JaKe, Brutal!
    
    
	Ben

    
    STEELER CAMP IS OPEN!!!
    
    I cain just hear the pounding together of the pads, see the flight of
    the ball as it misses the wide open reciever by 3 yards...er...sorry, I
    almost forgot that Brister is gone.
    
    I'm getting psyched.  Training camp is open, and over in the Clevescum
    Brown(spot)s(tm) note, Hal should be making his anal...er, sorry, make
    that annual prediction about how the 'Spots have 9 zillion asst.
    coaches, 35 washed up players, 80,000 seats in the garbage dump they
    play in, all filled on game day, with the whole stadium having a
    cumulative IQ of 121.  And he'll say that those are the reasons the
    'Spots will go 16-0 and walk thru the playoffs blindfolded.
    
    
    GAWD I love Football season.
    
    JaKe
    

    

    Camp is open, and the holdouts so far are Barry Foster, who on the
    strength of 1 good season wants the world on a sliver platter, Adrian
    Cooper, who has an option year left, and wants $1 mil plus to play
    backup tight end(unless they use the 2 tight end sets more often),
    Kenny Davidson, who is without any contract.
    
    Louis Lipps, barring re-injury of his hamstrings, should make the team
    easily, and will be a possession reciever.  Coaches are elated already
    at his speed, even though he says he's only 75-80% right now.
    
    Merrill Hoge blasted Foster over the weekend in the papers, saying that
    he has a contract and should be here, regardless of how good a year he
    had.  The was received with mixed reactions among teammates.
    
    Cowher effectively said that Hoge shoulda kept his trap shut, but he
    said it much nicer.
    
    More when I gets it
    
    JaKe
    

    
    JaKe,
    
    Donchaknow that the reason it was/will be as high as 121 is becuz
    Digger_the_goat_dog will be there?  He's signed to be a 2nd_string
    mascot since he's quite the prolific maker of brown_spots ('specially
    on grass)!
    
    I remain,
    ready to retire on his salary!
    Kev
    

	Just how far apart are Foster and the Steelers?  I'd hate to see this
	kid get the farm and then pull up lame.  Or worse yet, see him get
	snubbed by the Steelers then become another Bo Jackson for another
	team.


	billl

                                                 
    > Merrill Hoge blasted Foster over the weekend in the papers, saying that
    > he has a contract and should be here, regardless of how good a year he
    > had.  The was received with mixed reactions among teammates.
    
    Hmmmm, these guys don't play the same position or anything, do they?
    
    Give Foster the money or high-tail it to the cellar!  Look to the
    Pirates as a model, and then do the opposite!
    
    glenn
    

    I, on the other hand, believe the Steelers should tell Foster to take a
    flying leap.  He just renegotiated last fall, for a 4-year deal, and
    ten months later he's unhappy again?!?!?  POOR BABY!!!!!!!!!
    
    When is enough enough?  See ya later Barry - enjoy your retirement.
    
    NAZZ

    > I, on the other hand, believe the Steelers should tell Foster to take a
    > flying leap.  He just renegotiated last fall, for a 4-year deal, and
    > ten months later he's unhappy again?!?!?  POOR BABY!!!!!!!!!
    
    This ain't baseball.  Foster didn't sign a deal based on the
    competitive market, pay-for-performance.  He signed a deal that was
    ultimately based on where he was drafted, before he'd played a down.  
    Didn't have much of a choice in the matter, except to retire, maybe.
    Hell of a system the NFL has (or had...)
    
    glenn
    

    Adrian Cooper ended his holdout yesterday, but his contract
    negotiations are continuing.  He was fined $16k for missing 4 days of
    camp.
    
    Re Foster, I think he should get his freakin' brain filled rectum into
    camp, and continue negotiations.
    
    JaKe
    

  Isn't Tim Worley coming back this year ? If Worley can stay sober and
  play up to his talent, Foster may end up like Bobby Humphrey did in Denver.
  Even if Worley remains a dud, I doubt that the Steelers will bend over 
  backwards to re-negotiate Foster's contract.

  BTW, does anybody know how much Bubbles paid the Iggles to sign him up ?

	Keith

>  He signed a deal that was ultimately based on where he was drafted, 
>  before he'd played a down.  
   
   Are you talkin about the same Barry Foster ? He played at least 2 seasons
   with the Steeler's before last year. It's just that Cowher, unlike Noll,
   had the smarts to utilize his talents.

	Keith

    
    Deon Figures, the STEELERS # 1 draft pick, is reportedly travelling
    towards Pittsburgh with intent on signing his contract later this week.
    
    Chad Brown, # 2 draft choice, has said that if the STEELERS don't give
    him what he wants, he'll go back home and go back to raising snakes fer
    a living, which he says nets him about $150,000 a year fer a good year,
    and $80,000 fer a bad year.
    
    Brown and Figures are the STEELERS only unsigned draft picks.
    
    JaKe
    

>    he'll go back home and go back to raising snakes fer
>    a living, which he says nets him about $150,000 a year fer a good year,
>    and $80,000 fer a bad year.
    
  Is this for real ? If so is there a snake raisin starter kit available 
  through any muti-level marketing groups ?

	Keith_who's_always_lookin_fer_a_way_to_retire_early

    
>>  He signed a deal that was ultimately based on where he was drafted, 
>>  before he'd played a down.  
>   
>   Are you talkin about the same Barry Foster ? He played at least 2 seasons
>   with the Steeler's before last year. It's just that Cowher, unlike Noll,
>   had the smarts to utilize his talents.
    
    No, I'm saying that a talented player who isn't originally drafted high 
    is behind the 8-ball from the get-go in the NFL (at least before free 
    agency).  The same thing happened to Keith Jackson with the Eagles.  He 
    had no recourse but to take a low multiyear offer, and then when he 
    performed at an All-Pro level for his position he was out of luck, just
    because his stock had fallen before the draft.  Barry Foster is an even
    more dramatic example of an unrecognized star talent.  Does anybody 
    really believe that Barry Foster is a $400K/year running back?  If he 
    goes out and gets hurt, his career is over and the Steelers can 
    eventually cut him and he won't get paid because his contract is 
    non-guaranteed.  These longterm deals come at *team* demand because
    there's no real security in them in the NFL; they're non-guaranteed.  
    So I think re-negotiation in cases such as Foster's where the player 
    has obviously had no choice but to take an inferior deal is completely
    reasonable.  I won't defend his methods, because I really don't know
    what they are, but in spite of some of these inevitable media rantings
    condemning the guy, the re-negotiation request is fair.
    
    glenn
    

    
  >>Is this for real ? If so is there a snake raisin starter kit available 
  >>through any muti-level marketing groups ?
    
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing myself.
    
    JaKe
    

    Me, too!  Where do I sign up?!?!?
    
    NAZZ

    Deon Figures signed fer $2.8 fer four years.
    
    Only one out is the snake farmer.
    
    JaKe
    

    Foster's agent said that Foster's worth is the same as that of Thurman
    Thomas, who signed a 4 yr $13.5 million deal wif the Bills earlier this
    week.
    
    C'mon, Foster, even if he ends his holdout today, could be one of those
    one year  wonders who never runs fer 100+yds in a game again, and he
    wants the same money as Thomas, who has proven over and over and over
    that he DESERVES the money by turning in a string of great years.
    
    Also, Kenny Davidson has agreed to contract terms with the Steelers and
    is in camp.
    
    JaKe
    

    
      So, if this Barry leaves town after a bitter contract dispute 
     I guess the hacks in Pittsburgh will have someone else to villify
     for as long as he plays ball? It seems to me all that Foster's agent
     is doing is the oldest negotiating ploy in the book which is, come
     in way high and "settle" for what you realistically expected to get
     all along. 

    Yabbut, he's playing a game that Dan Rooney is VERY experienced at
    winning.  The guy has 2, count ec 2, years left on his contract.  HE
    should at least be in camp and let his agent re-negotiate it there.
    
    JaKe
    

�    HE should at least be in camp and let his agent re-negotiate it there.
    
    Oh yeah, that gives him a lot of leverage.

    The whole point of this may be to have Foster show up in time for the
    last exhibition game without having the wear and tear of training camp.
    
    The team can't tell Barry - skip 6 weeks - so this is the ploy used.
    
    b

   Bill, are you saying this is the Steelers idea or Barry's? How good can
  his conditioning be if he misses all of training camp? Chances are that this
  really is about what it seems to be about which is m-o-n-e-y-.

    SI had an article on the Jimmies and mentioned that one of learning
    curves for ownership/GM is in how to avoiding wearing out your stars
    in training camp and the technique is the essentially fake holdout.
    
    So, without ever saying anything there could be an arrangement that as
    long as Foster shows up by Aug 15 or 22 or some date all is fine.
    
    And I would be very surprised if it would take him more than two weeks
    to be ready.  I predict here he comes in in time for last exhibition
    and then has 140 yards in first game.
    
    b

Well Dallas better hope thay are right about this technique now that
Emmet Smith is holding out.

The Crazy Met

    
      re .194
    
      That might make sense for a seasoned veteran but for someone 
      like Foster, who may actually have a legitimate beef about being
      underpaid, this would seem to be for real. Besides, lack of cond-
      ioning at halfback could get you killed. I don't think Emmitt Smith
      is playing around either. 

    Snake Raiser Chad Brown agreed to terms with the STEELERS, leaving only
    Barry Fo$ter not in camp.
    
    The STEELERS left this morning for Barcelona where they will play this
    coming weekend .vs. the 49'ers.
    
    JaKe
    

>    Snake Raiser Chad Brown agreed to terms with the STEELERS, leaving only
>    Barry Fo$ter not in camp.
    
  I was beginning to think that he was never going to sign. A few years back,
  he almost quit the Colorado team because he didn't like playing football.
  Even though he hasn't given the impression of being a motivated player, 
  once he steps on the practice field, or on gameday, he gives 100 percent. 
  If the Steeler's were not able to sign him, it would have been like losing 
  a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder since they traded a 4th round choice to 
  move up in the 2nd round and grab him.

  I'm eager to see Andre Hastings. One of the national sports magazines said 
  that he was a steal in the 3rd round. And as everybody knows, the Black
  and Gold need help at wide receiver. 

  If Foster comes back, I think they'll be a better team than last year.

	Keith

    
  >>If Foster comes back, I think they'll be a better team than last year.
    
    Over the weekend, the STEELERS held one fo their 2 annual
    practice/scrimmage's .vs. the Redskins.  Th STEELERS won the scrimmage,
    34-14, although, that and $1 will get ya a cup of coffee.
    
    The high point, however, was the play of Tim Worley, who played with
    the form that made the STEELERS draft him #1.  He had a few nice runs,
    and caught a screen pass, made a few nice moves, and got good yardage
    on it.
    
    I think that if Worley plays anywhere near what he did in his rookie
    year, when he lead the STEELERS in rushing, then the STEELERS won't
    miss Fo$ter that much, but then again.....
    
    
    JaKe
    

    I thinks that's Barry at the ol' fishing hole

    According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Barry Fo$ter's agent had a
    meeting scheduled with the STEELERS today and said that if things go as
    they did over the phone when he talked to the STEELERS, Fo$ter will
    report to camp when the team returns from their jaunt to Spain.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Latest on Fo$ter is that he'll report to camp on Tuesday, as the
    STEELERS have said they WILL NOT negotiate anything unless he's in
    camp.  It has also been said that the STEELERS will only talk contract
    extension, not renegotiation in this instance.
    
    John Jackson has reportedly asked to be traded, as he is upset at
    splitting time with Justin Strelczyk(sp?).
    
    JaKe
    

  I watched most of yesterday's game that was played in Barcelona. I know
  it's hard to draw conclusions from the first pre-season game but here's
  my impressions:
  
	Neil O'Donnell looked like he spent all of the off season spendin
	money from his new big fat contract instead of workin on becoming
	a better QB. His passes even looked like some of the gems that
	Bubbles used to throw.

	Alex Van Pelt looks like he needs a couple of years experience in
	Arena or Canadian football leagues before he'll be ready to tryout
	for a NFL team.

	Free agent running back, Randy Cuthbert, was the most impressive 
	rookie. It looks like he'll make the team and may be able to challenge 
	Merrill Hoge for a starting position. 

	Tim Worley was impressive but only time will tell if he's put all of
	his drug and concentration problems behind him.

	Kevin Greene looks like an excellent acquisition. Not only does he
	play well but he appears to be a good leader and motivator.

	#1, Deon Figures looked a little above average returning punts but 
	wasn't close to breaking one. He played a lot at cornerback but I 
	don't remember any passes thrown to the men he was gaurding.

	#2, Chad Brown looked good and bad. He forced a QB fumble on a near sack
	but he also failed to make a couple of arm tackles when he should have.
	In all fairness, he hasn't practiced with the team very long.

	#3, Andre Hastings didn't show much and neither did ex-pro bowler
	Louie Lipps. Unless Lipps starts to improve, he may not make the team.
	
	The whole passing game has a lot of room for improvement.

	The offensive line looked excellent. Leon Searcy was a good pick last 
	year.

		Keith

    I watched most of the game as well and the obvious problems that were
    there last year haven't really disappeared, although this was a
    preseason game.  As Keith stated Neil O. looked really clumsy and rusty
    with his passes yesterday.  The only quarterback that looked really
    decent at times was Rick Strom.  The offensive line basically gave all 
    of the quarterbacks time to throw.  Most of the receivers are still
    young but there just doesn't appear to be any separation from the
    db's.  But I think the steelers will still be a good squad if a rookie
    or free agent steps up on the dl or wr.
    
    Roy L.

	Any update for this weekend's game against those lowly Jets?

	What's the latest on Fo$ter?



	billl

>             <<< Note 32.205 by MKFSB::LONG "stuck in CATCH-UP mode" >>>
>
>	Any update for this weekend's game against those lowly Jets?
>
>	What's the latest on Fo$ter?
>
>
>
>	billl


	I read this morning that he's going to show up at camp; seems he's
	tired of all the critisicm he's been receiving.  Could face up to 
	$80K in fines but that's at the discretion of the team.

	Kevin

   I also read that the Steelers have promised him a lengthy contract
  extension with a pay raise.

    He's in camp... making sure Worley doesn't take his job.
    

    
    
    >>						Could face up to 
    >>	$80K in fines but that's at the discretion of the team.
    
    I wonder if, when FOster showed up, he paid this fine by check, cash,
    or on his GOld card?????
    
    The STEELERS won this weekend in exhibition game # 2, and WOrley looks
    better than he EVER has with the STEELERS.
    
    I know, it's only preseason, and injuries to running backs occur with
    the same frequency as I enter junk notes, so I won't get my hopes up,
    but it COULD be an interesting year, rushing-wise, fer the STEELERS
    this year.
    
    JaKe
    

  OK Jake, I wasn't able to see exhibition game # 2 and I'm sittin on the 
  edge of my chair. Other than Worley, how'd the rest of the team look ?

  Did O'Donnell continue his Bubble Blister imitation ?

  Where any of the receivers able to catch a pass this week ?

  How'd the rookies do ? Did any stand out ?     
    
  Did Fo$ter get to play ?

  BTW, I can receive the Pittsburgh Sports Network(KBL) on our satelitte.
  Unfortunately, I don't have any program information available. Is there 
  a Bill Cowher show or any other Steeler shows on KBL ? If so, what time ?

	Keith

>>                    <<< Note 32.210 by PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF >>>

>>  OK Jake, I wasn't able to see exhibition game # 2 and I'm sittin on the 
>>  edge of my chair. Other than Worley, how'd the rest of the team look ?

    To tell ya the trufe, I was not able to see the game, but I do know
    they made too many mistakes.
    
>>  Did O'Donnell continue his Bubble Blister imitation ?

    Nah, he was "less rusty", completing 5 of 7 fer about 60 yards.
    
>>  Where any of the receivers able to catch a pass this week ?
  
    Dunno, cain't remember the receiver stats
    
>>  How'd the rookies do ? Did any stand out ?     
   
    # 1 draft pick, Deon Figures had an int. and a couple of passes
    defended, looked damn good by what the papers say.  Chad "snake Man"
    Brown did fair, but got hurt(sprained ankle??)
     
>>  Did Fo$ter get to play ?

    Nah, he was sidelining it seeing as he only came to camp Thursday
    
>>  BTW, I can receive the Pittsburgh Sports Network(KBL) on our satelitte.
>>  Unfortunately, I don't have any program information available. Is there 
>>  a Bill Cowher show or any other Steeler shows on KBL ? If so, what time ?
  NOpe, no Cowher or Steeler shows.  
    
    I'll see if'n I cain dig up some answers fer ya.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    Folks say this a few times and you'll feel much better:
    
    "it just doesn't matter"
    "it just doesn't matter"
    "it just doesn't matter"
    
    You should have the idea by now.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	re .212:

	Sheesh, I wonder who the Steelers beat this weekend?????????



	billl

>  NOpe, no Cowher or Steeler shows.  
    
  As everyone knows, Western Pa has some very enthusiastic football fans.
  But to show you how crazy things are out here in the land of Rocky Mtn
  Highs, there is a Wade Phillips show, a Bill MaCartney show, a Joe
  Harrington(CU basketball) show and a there used to be an Earle Bruce show
  which I'm sure will soon be a Sonny Lubick show. I'm sure I missed a few
  other Bronco shows.

  And, to top it all off, last Saturday, there was a Bronco pre-season pre-game
  show and a pre-season post-game show. And if that wasn't enough, they
  re-broadcast the game on the same channel the next day.

	Keith

 You forgot Elway's show on Nickelodeon...I think the nameof it is
 WEINERVILLE....

 mike

> You forgot Elway's show on Nickelodeon...I think the nameof it is
> WEINERVILLE....

  I thought that the "Mr Ed" re-runs were the same as the "The John Elway"
  show. Well, maybe he's got more that one show on the air.

  I think I forgot the "Denver Huddle" show in my previous reply but I can't
  remember what channel it's on.

	Keith

        Keith,  you sure do watch alot of football shows;^)
    
      Tim

>        Keith,  you sure do watch alot of football shows;^)
    
  Actually, the only one I watch is the Bill MaCartney show. I also,
  occassionally, listen to Dave Logan's Sports Talk on KOA. Logan's show
  is really the best.

  I aint a Donk fan. Black n Gold are my colors. Although, now that Danny 
  Boy is gone along with all of the jailbirds he used to tolerate, my 
  impression of the Donks is much better than it used to be. I like Wade.

  Man O Man, if you wanted to watch and listen to every Bronco show on the 
  radio and TV, you'd need multiple VCRs and tape recorders and then you'd
  have to take time off work and forget about yer wife and kids to listen 
  to em all.

	Keith

  Man O Man, if you wanted to watch and listen to every Bronco show on the 
  radio and TV, you'd need multiple VCRs and tape recorders and then you'd
  have to take time off work and forget about yer wife and kids to listen 
  to em all.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What else is there other than Star Trek re-runs...


Jeff

    Word here is that the STEELERS have given Barry FOster and offer on a
    contract extension.  The ball is now in FOster's, and his agent's
    court.
    
    JaKe
    

    Guard Duvall Love is out indefinitely seeing as he had his appendix
    removed yesterday.
    
    JaKe
    

	re .221

	What a wimp!  My daughter was playing field hockey a mere 2 weeks
	after an emergency appendectomy.


	billl

    STEELERS beat the Giants Sat. night, 23-16(I think).  Again, I didn't
    get to watch any of the game, but from what I've read, the defense
    played pretty good, saking the Gnats QBs 9 times.
    
    O'Donnell continues to sputter, though.  Twas said he, once again, is
    not hitting receivers properly, and is missing wide open players.
    
    Tomczak played good, 'cept fer the two DUMB interceptions he threw.
    
    Rick Strom also played, fueling the speculation that he, and not Alex
    Van Pelt, will be the team's third QB.
    
    JaKe
    

    Tomczak played good, 'cept fer the two DUMB interceptions he threw.
    
    Funny, we used to say the exact thing every time T-Zack played fer
    da'Bears...
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach (Who liked 'T but was always let down by the guy)

    Twas those "brain cramp" interceptions.
    
    TOmczak HAS outplayed O'Donnell so far, but I doubt that Cowher will
    make a switch in his starting QB before the season starts.  Chould the
    season start, and O'Donnell remain unseccessful though, I doubt COwher
    would have a problem yanking O'Donnell in favor of Tomczak should
    O'Donnell be having a terrible afternoon.
    
    JaKe
    

    T'zak will have two or three a game, and they'll kill ya.

	Hot off the press.....

	Pittsburgh	3  10  0  10 - 23
	N.Y.Giants	0   3  7   7 - 17

	1st quarter
	Pit - FG Anderson 35, 4:58
	
	2nd quarter
	NYG - FG Peterson 25, 1:47
	Pit - FG Anderson 25, 6:53
	Pit - Davenport 7 pass from Tomczak (Anderson kick) 10:17
	
	3rd quarter
	NYG - Smith 22 pass from Da.Brown (Bahr kick) 1:30
	
	4th quarter
	Pit - Worley 4 pass from Tomczak (Anderson kick) :13
	NYG - Smith 59 punt return (Peterson kick) 9:28
	Pit - FG Anderson 44, 13:08

			----------

				Pit	NYG
	First downs		19	16
	Rushes-yds	      35-188   21-68
	Passing			152	158
	Return yds		 28	119
	Comp-Att-Int	      16-29-3  21-42-3
	Sacked-yds lost		4-25	9-51
	Punts			5-46	8-42
	Fumbles-lost		2-0	2-0
	Penalties-yds		8-64	3-24
	Time of possession	30:32	29:28

    The STEELERS today gave linebacker/defensive captain/leading tackler
    David Little his unconditional release, paving the way for Leon
    Kirkland to move right into Little's spot as starter.
    
    Twas said that Little has slowed down too much in his old age(34) and
    the "new" STEELER defense is predicated on speed.
    
    JaKe
    

>    Twas said that Little has slowed down too much in his old age(34) and
>    the "new" STEELER defense is predicated on speed.
    
I think this statement should be clarified a bit.  34 is old in football.
34 is NOT old in real life.



I remain (borrowing a phrase from Kev)
A defender of the chronologically challenged,
'Saw    

    
    Fossil, er I mean 'Saw,
    
    	You are correct.  34 is not old in real life.  It's ancient! :*)
    
    Right behind you,
    
    Claybone

>    Fossil, er I mean 'Saw,
>    
>    	You are correct.  34 is not old in real life.  It's ancient! :*)

Hey, I resemble those remarks!

    
>    Right behind you,

I'll make sure I don't drop the soap then. 8^)

    

Seriously, my ego is feeling pretty good these days.  My "little" brother
(who's actually 2" taller than me, but not as built) is three years
younger than me.

But, in the last month, two completely different sets of people have
told me that they thought I was the younger of the two of us.


I'm psyched.....


'Saw

    
    	Yeah, well I got carded the other day buying beer.  Top that!
    
    	Her being 75 had nothing to do with it either.
    
    Claybone

>    	Yeah, well I got carded the other day buying beer.  Top that!

I've been carded recently at clubs, but not purchasing....  Of course, 
I tend to get most of my beer from my dad, who gets it at a discount.  He's
76 and ain't no one gonna card him!


>    	Her being 75 had nothing to do with it either.
    
Did she have teef?


'Saw

    
>>>    	Her being 75 had nothing to do with it either.
    
>>Did she have teef?
    
    Sheesh, Saw, he lives in Colorado, not West Virginia.
    
    Anyways, toofless gums is a wonderful thang, sometimes.
    
    JaKe
    

    I never get carded.  Then again, I never pay cover charges, I never pay
    for my beer.  Heck, I don't think I pay a thing when I go out.
    
    More mindless dribble from the master.
    
    Gin /aka the dribbler........
    
    

    STEELERS lost lasted night to the Redskins, 10-3.
    
    The first team offense failed yet again to score a TD.  They have not
    scored a single TD so far in any exhibition games.
    
    On the other hand, the defense looks mighty good.  Putting lots of
    pressure on the QB, shut down the run pretty good, decent pass
    coverage.
    
    ALex Van Pelt will be cut real soon, bank on it, as will Louis Lipps.
    
    JaKe
    

    STEELERS cut Louis "Hamstring Challenged"Lipps today, along with vets
    Mark Didio, and Stan Smagala.
    
    Don't know all fo the other cuts, but when I find them out, they'll go
    in here.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    Gary "Stumpy" howe is gone, too.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    This smacks of a conspiracy... 

>    This smacks of a conspiracy... 

Yes, we cannot GLOSS over that fact. 

>    at least get some new ones, guys....

Perhaps Louis Lipps can stick with some new team, and they'll nickname
his "Sugar", and it will be a balm to his spirit.....


How's that, Karen?

'Saw

	JaKe Kisses off Lipps...film @ 11



	billl

  It doesn't surprise me that Lipps was cut. He just wasn't performing well 
  in the pre-season. But you have to give him credit for a great career. 
  I believe his career stats will place him at 2nd place in many categories
  with John Stallworth still in 1st. However, it should be pointed out that
  throughout his entire career, he had some real dogs throwing the ball to him.
  If he had a good QB throwing to him during his prime, he may have been
  recognized as one of the great receivers in the game.

  Too bad about Stumpy Howe, he was a guy that the fans and team loved.
  He was always a little short on talent but his heart was 2nd to none.
  It doesn't surprise me that he was cut, there was a lot of competition 
  at his position.

	Keith

>  throughout his entire career, he had some real dogs throwing the ball to him.
>  If he had a good QB throwing to him during his prime, he may have been
>  recognized as one of the great receivers in the game.

I'm sure there's a pun to be had in here somewhere but I just can't find
it 8^)


>  Too bad about Stumpy Howe, he was a guy that the fans and team loved.
>  He was always a little short on talent but his heart was 2nd to none.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

With a name like Stumpy I wouldn't expect him to be anything else 8^)


'Saw

    Sorry if we were Karen too much about Lipps...
    

    How come every time the STEELERS do something with Louis Lipps, we have
    to go thru all fo the same crummy puns in here???
    
    
    JaKe
    

>    How come every time the STEELERS do something with Louis Lipps, we have
>    to go thru all fo the same crummy puns in here???
    

We're just kissing him goodbye in our own way.  He couldn't stick around,
and we're a little sad about it.

We'll just gloss over it and be done with it.....    

    (8^()
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
        Yup we pretty much SUCKED all we could out of Louis's balmy
    predicament.
    
    
    Chappy

      JaKe is worried about punn's??  Whats with the turn about?
    
      Louis Lipps' ship sank!
    
      Tim

     I understand, Younze guys are just givin us Steeler Fans a bunch 
     of Lipp service.

	Keith

    
    Hey Jake,
    
           What happened to the Steelers last night. Did they forget to
    show up?
    
    
    
             Chappy

	Don't know what JaKe thought about them, but from what I saw
	(while shooting darts at the Legion) they looked pretty good
	between the 20's.  Unfortunatly you don't get points for that.

	I didn't see how the Vikes scored their last two tds. From
	what I saw of the Steeler rush defense it must have been on
	passes.

	I was shocked to see Van Pelt still wearing the uniform.


	billl

    They just plain sucked, as far as scoring points goes, plus Tomczak
    showed, fer the second straight time, why Mike Ditka considered him
    expendable.
    
    The special teams didn't fare too well, giving up a couple of long
    kickoff returns that set up scores fer the Vikes, plus Tomczak
    litterally floated a pass towards Ernie Mills that got picked off and
    almost returned for a TD, and it lead to a TD about 3 plays later.
    
    I didn't get to see the game, but I listened to most of it and as billl
    said, the offense moved fair between the 20's, but couldn't punch it
    into the endzone, cept fer the 14 yard td run by Leroy Thompson, who
    seems to have cemented himself into a 2nd string halfback job with his
    performance lasted night.
    
    JaKe
    

      Word is O'donnel is hurt, and now Tomzak?
    
      Tim

    Mike Tomczak gets the start this week .vs. the 49ers in the season
    opener.  O'Donnell threw well today, but evidently is rusty enough that
    Cowher will not start him.
    
    Cowher did say that O'Donnell will be ready if Tomczak goes down.
    Both will get equal p[ractice this week.
    
    JaKe
    

    Warren Williams and Alex Van Pelt are gonzo.
    
    Rest of the list when I gets a chance later.
    
    JaKe
    

    Foster WILL start, at least that's the reports here this morning.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    End of first half, 49ers are handing the STEELERS their heads, 17-3.
    
    Tomczak is destined to foul up the STEELERS.  He's thrown 2
    interceptions, on in the first quarter that was converted to a 49er TD
    4 plays later, and one at the end of the first half.
    
    Foster hasn't run fer much yardage, and on the one play that he did
    have a decent gain, he fumbled the ball away, and a few plays later,
    the 49ers turned that turnover into a TD also.
    
    
    Young was 15-22, one INt, 2 TD's in the first half.
    
    JaKe
    

    Afterdigging themselves into a deep hole in the first half, Cowher
    inserted O'Donnell into the lineup, and he directed a TD drive on the
    first possession of the second half.  The Refs then went blind, and
    cost the STEELERS a chance at winning the game, blew the Kevin Greene
    offside call bigtime, SF's right guard jumps, Greene rushes in, they
    call Greene fer encroachment.  Bullsh_t.
    
    Oh well, if they hadn't dug the deep hole in the first place, the refs
    wouldn't have had to bail the 49ers out.
    
    JaKe
    

                1       2       3       4       T
SF              10      7       0       7       24
STEELERS        0       3       10      0       13

SCORING SUMMARY:
SF--Cofer 37 yd FG
SF--Rice 5 yd pass from Young(Cofer PAT)
SF--Rice 6 yd pass from Young(Cofer PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 29 yd FG
STEELERS--Foster 5 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 39 yd FG
SF--B. Jones 5 yd pass from Young(Cofer PAT)

Team Stats:
SF                                              STEELERS
21                      1st Downs               12
4-12                    3rd down efficiency     4-14
326                     Net Yards               211
86                      Rush Yds                102
240                     Passing Yds             109
24-36-3                 Compl-Att-Int           13-27-2
1-0                     Sacked-Yds Lost         5-29
6-55                    Penalties-Yds           7-56
2-0                     Fumbles-Lost            3-1
32:52                   Time of Possession      27:08

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
SF--Watters 14-46, Young 7-22, Lee 9-19, Rathman 1-0, Carter 1-(-1),
STEELERS--Foster 17-80, Stone 2-14, O'Donnell 1-9, Thompson 1-2, Hoge 1-0,
          Tomczak 2-(-3)

PASSING:
SF--Young 24-36 3 ints, 240 yards, 3 TD's
STEELERS--Tomczak 4-11, 2 ints, 46 yds, O'Donnell 9-16 0 ints 92 yards

RECEIVING:
SF--Rice 8-78, Jones 6-50, Taylor 4-48, Rathman 2-9, Turner 1-32, J.Williams
        1-15, Lee 1-4, Watters 1-4.
STEELERS--Foster 6-30, Stone 3-52, Thompson 3-44, Hastings 1-12.

INTERCEPTIONS:
SF--D.Griffin, McGruder
STEELERS--Woodson 2, Lake

Attendance 57,502 No Shows 2-98.

JaKe

    re: .266 p_name
    
    so do you think you are Rocky in Rocky Horror Picture Show??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    re-.1
    
    Never seen the thing.  It's regarding how this season may turn out if
    the STEELERS continue to play the way they did in the firsted half
    yesterday.
    
    JaKe
    

	Sure was nice to see O'Donnell come in and do so well.  I found myself
	cringing, though, everytime he was hit.  

	Either Weegie Thompson spent all summer in the sun, or there's a new
	Thompson running for the Steelers.  Which is it?

	What was going on with that dope Watters for the 9ers?  On two 
	seperate interceptions this wacko goes berzerk on the Steeler who
	makes the interception (late hits, unnessasary roughness).  Then he 
	would pull his Roberto "no mas, no mas" Duran impression when someone
	went after him.  Is this guy on a work release program from the looney
	bin or what?  I was glad to see him escorted off the field after the
	second instance.


	billl

    billl
    
    Weegie Thompson ain't been on the STEELERS fer a few years.
    
    The Thompson yer referring to is Leroy Thompson, Barry Foster's backup
    at halfback.  Good runner, good hands.
    
    JaKe
    

      Watters is from Notre DAme!
    
      Tim

I like Kevin Greene, but for all the Pittsburgh fans whining about the
bad call the refs made (and it was atrocious) they were pretty lucky that
Greene didn't get called for a personal foul for taking the free shot
on Steve Young following all the whistles and penalty flags.

Watters acted immature in the extreme.


Lots o' chippiness in the opening day games I saw this weekend -- these
football players must've been watching the baseball players during the 
off-season....


'Saw

    
>>I like Kevin Greene, but for all the Pittsburgh fans whining about the
>>bad call the refs made (and it was atrocious) they were pretty lucky that
>>Greene didn't get called for a personal foul for taking the free shot
>>on Steve Young following all the whistles and penalty flags.
    
    I agree he could've, and maybe should've been flagged. He DID get
    flagged earlier fer unnecessary roughness, and it was a horrible call
    too.  He got blocked into Young, and had his arm out and took Young
    down, but it was a squeaky clean play, but the Refs was busy finding a
    way to help the 49ers get the momentum back and win the game.
    
    JMHO
    
    JaKe
    

     Another Awsome display of football put on by the Squeelers.  Boy that
    Tomzak is gonna take them to the bowl !!   O'donnell game out gunning
    and looked like what he is...  A low round QB on a struggling football
    team.  JaKe...  P_Name says that the Donks have a better record at the
    end of the regular season that the Squeelers.?.?
    
    BG
    

    The only bowl that Tomczak could take them to is the toilet bowl.
    
    O'Donnell admitted he wasn't 100%, and doubts that he will be by this
    Sunday, but word here is that he'll start unless he gets decapitated
    before then.
    
    Watching Tomczak almost makes me miss Brister.
    
    Lemme think about that P_name thang, Big'N'Lame
    
    JaKe
    

    Carlton Haselrig is out for 2-4 weeks with a severely sprained foot.
    
    Seifert made possible the most timely time out call of his career
    Sunday.
    
    The Steelers had stunk up the joint in the first half, diggin
    themselves a 17-3 hole.  They came out in the second half, changed QB's
    and were looking fired up.  They took the 2nd half kickoff and drove
    fer a td to get back in the game at 17-10.  The defense held the 49ers
    on their next possession, and when the STEELERS got the ball again,
    they were again driving.  They chose to go for it on 4th and two at the
    49er 22 yd line, the crowd was in it, the offense was fired up, and I
    just knew they were going to make it.  The Steelers broke the huddle,
    came up to the line, then SF called time out.  Giving Cowher some time
    to think about it, he changed his mind, sent Gary Anderson in, and as
    is his usual, Anderson split the uprights and the STEELERS trailed by
    only 4.  But the damage was done.  Never again in the game did the
    STEELERS seem to have that fired up attitude they had before the
    timeout.  Taking the field goal was the proper thing to do, but it also
    seemed to take the wind out of the STEELERS sails.
    
    Hell, maybe Cowher was going to have O'Donnell try and draw the 49ers
    offside, and if that didn't succeed by the time the play clock was down
    to 1 or 2 seconds, he'd have him call timeout and take the easy 3,
    maybe not, we'll never know.  But, it does seem to me that the STEELERS
    comeback ended there because of a well placed time out.
    
    JaKe
    

    During MNF's halftime show, Steve Young said the Steelers have 1 of the
    top 3 NFL defenses.

    
    >>  <<< Note 32.278 by FRETZ::HEISER "notes from a lost civilization" >>>
    >>                                -< fyi >-

    >>During MNF's halftime show, Steve Young said the Steelers have 1 of the
    >>top 3 NFL defenses.
    
    Wow.  That and 50 cents may get them a small coffee, if the STEELER
    offense doesn't do something resembling putting the ball into the end
    zone once in a while, ya know??
    
    JaKe
    

>    Wow.  That and 50 cents may get them a small coffee, if the STEELER
>    offense doesn't do something resembling putting the ball into the end
>    zone once in a while, ya know??
    
    You can't lose if the other team can't score.  The better defenses are
    good for 7-14 points a game anyway.

	Well, that "better defense" theory went right out the window as the 
	Steelers get bushwacked by the lowly La La Rams.  I didn't get a 
	chance to take a look at the paper so I don't have a clue as to what 
	happened.  I think the score I heard was 28-0.


	billl

    Bill, ya gotta give the Steeler defense more credit. Final score was
    27-0.
    
    HtH
    
    The Crazy Met
    

      Is Bubby still available?:-)
    
      So what were O'donnel's stats there?   Fosters? 
    
      Thats a game to be ashamed of,  I mean 27-0 against the (toe) Jams. 
    Jesse must be smiling though....
    
      Tim

	I'm hopin' JaKe will come in early today and shed a little light
	on this.  I don't even know if O'Donnell played.

	feelin' like a mushroom,
	billl

O'Donnell was supposed to start, according to Saturday's newspapers.  Apparently
he is far from 100%, but still better than Toczak.

    O'Donnell went 17 for 33 for 169 yds, 1 INT

                1       2       3       4       T
STEELERS        0       0       0       0       0
Rams            0       14      3       10      27
SCORING SUMMARY:
Rams--Drayton, 22 yd pass from Everett(Zendejas PAT)
Rams--Gary 6 yd run(Zendejas PAT)
Rams--FG Zendejas 54 yd
Rams--FG Zendejas 50 yd
Rams--Bettis 29 yd run(Zendejas PAT)

TEAM STATS:
STEELERS                                        Rams
11                      1st Downs               20
5-14                    3rd Dn Efficiency       9-17
19-55                   Rushes-yds              32-103
120                     Passing Yds             211
17-33-1                 Compl-Att-Int           21-34-2
5-49                    Sacked-Yds Lost         2-10
2-2                     Fumbles-Lost            2-0
6-38                    Penalties-Yds           3-25
25:02                   Time of Possession      34:58

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
STEELERS--Foster 15-50, Hoge 2-5, O'Donnell 2-0
Rams--Bettis 16-76, Gary 14-30, Everett 2-(-3)

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'Donnell 17-33-1 169 yds, 0 TD's
Rams--Everett 21-34-2 221 yds 1 TD

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--Mills 4-63, Graham 3-35, Davenport 2-23, Stone 2-21, Cooper 1-13,
          Green 1-9, Thompson 1-6, Thigpen 1-4, Worley 1-(-1), Foster 1-(-4).
Rams------Ellard 9-127, Gary 6-36, Drayton 3-48, E.Jones 1-10, Lester 1-4,
          Bettis 1-(-4).

INTERCEPTIONS:
STEELERS--Woodson. Perry
Rams------Homco


Att--50,588


JaKe

    
        > It sucked, truly sucked
    
    
    No Sh$t tell it to my wallet. :-(
    
    
    Chap

    
    re:-1
    
    You also can't win if you don't score!!  The steelers helped to prove
    that yesterday.  It was brutal to watch the game updates and see that 
    the steelers were farther down everytime a score change had been made 
    in the game with the RAMS of all teams. The steelers join a list of 
    what looks like a bunch of pretty poor teams at 0-2.
    
    	Steelers
    	Falcons
    	Patriots
    	Bengals
    	Buccaneers
    	Bears
    	Seahawks
    	Cowboys**      No Emmit Smith
    
    Roy L.

    Hey, don't be lumping the Patriots into that bunch.

    
    Do the Pat's have a win ?
    
    

    
    
    
    
    STEELERS Stats so far.
    
    
                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      10      21       3      17       51
STEELERS        0       3       10      0       13

STEELERS                                        Rams
11                      1st Downs               20
5-14                    3rd Dn Efficiency       9-17
19-55                   Rushes-yds              32-103
120                     Passing Yds             211
17-33-1                 Compl-Att-Int           21-34-2
5-49                    Sacked-Yds Lost         2-10
2-2                     Fumbles-Lost            2-0
6-38                    Penalties-Yds           3-25
25:02                   Time of Possession      34:58

TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
41                      1st Downs               23
13-29                   3rd down efficiency     9-28
640                     Net Yards               386
189                     Rush Yds                157
451                     Passing Yds             229
45-70-5                 Compl-Att-Int           30-60-3
3-10                    Sacked-Yds Lost         10-78
9-80                    Penalties-Yds           13-94
4-0                     Fumbles-Lost            5-3
33:55                   Time of Possession      26:05


INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD

Foster 	 	32	130 	4.1	1
Stone 		2	 14     7.0	0
O'Donnell 	3	  9	3.0	0
Hoge 		3	  5	1.7	0
Thompson 	1	  2	1.0	0
Tomczak 	2	 -3    -1.5	0
	

PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %compl	Td
Tomczak 	4	11	 2 	 46  	11.5	   36.4		0
O'Donnell 	26	49	 1 	261 	10.0	   53.1		0


RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD
Stone 		5		73	       14.6		0
Mills		4		63	       15.8		0
Thompson 	4		50	       12.5		0
Graham		3		35	       11.7		0
Foster 		7		26		3.7		0
Davenport	2		23	       11.5		0
Stone		2		21	       10.5		0
Cooper		1		13	       13.0		0
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0
Green		1		 9		9.0		0
Thigpen		1		 6		6.0		0
Worley		1		-1	       -1.0		0

SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson		2	1	0		7
Foster			0	0	1		6

INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	3
Lake            1
Perry           1


JaKe

    The STEELERS had the wind taken out of their sails REAL early
    yesterday.  The held the Rams to very little yardage on the Rams first
    couple of possessions, then, when it looked like the STEELERS were
    going to get their offense going, they had driven from their 17 to the
    Rams 17, O'Donnell and Leroy Thompson botch an exchange and give the
    ball away, and the rout was on from there.  The STEELERS never seemed
    to recover from that mistake, and the Rams never looked back.
    
    Twas a pitiful display of offense.  The offensive line just cain't
    give either of the QB's much protection, but O'Donnell has to learn the
    thro the freakin ball away and not take a sack sometimes.
    
    More later
    
    JaKe
    

    Foster is supposed to be ready to sign his new big bux contract today
    or tomorrow morning.  
    
    JaKe
    

�    Do the Pat's have a win ?
    
    Nope, but they've played better than some of those teams on that list.

    re-.1
    
    MAC, no 5-11 team ever makes that playoffs just because "they've played
    better than some of those teams".
    
    Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
    
    JaKe
    

  >> The steelers join a list of what looks like a bunch of pretty 
  >> poor teams at 0-2.
    
     yeah, but the Pats *seem* to be moving in the right direction unlike:
 
    	Steelers <-- stuck in place and clinging to long gone glory years.
    	Falcons <-- never was, never will be.
    	Patriots <-- the team of the '90s
    	Bengals <-- things can only get worse. 
    	Buccaneers <-- better than an 0-2 team but not much better.
    	Bears <-- suddenly Ditka doesn't look so bad.
    	Seahawks <-- the team of the 2020s
    	Cowboys**      No Emmit Smith <-- amen.
    
    

    
    >>	Patriots <-- the team of the '90s
    
    Yeah, right, the NFL's version of the Mets, right????
    
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    
    JaKe
    

|    >>	Patriots <-- the team of the '90s
|    
|    Yeah, right, the NFL's version of the Mets, right????
|    
|    
|    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Actually, the Patriots are building in the right direction, and they
have one of the most important cogs for the machine in Bledsoe.  Their
defense is quickly improving -- at least 100% over last year already.

I would not count this team out......


btw, if the Pats were loaded with Pittsburgh's talent, they'd be 2-0.  8^)


'Saw
    

    Well you can get worse even if you are the worst team. 3-13 one year
    and 1-15 the next could certainly qualify as getting worse. Assume 3-13
    was worst in the league that year.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    Is this the same person who said they'd believe the rebuiding in
>    Cleveland (baseball) was for real when they started to win?

Yep, and they did start to win, and they have a helluva squad this
year.  Unfortunately for the Indians, the tragic pre-seaon accident
really hurt (I think) their pitching.  If the pitching comes back
and they retain the level of talent that have now at the other positions,
the team will be consistently in the hunt.
    

The Patriots have had some gaping holes in their lineup for years.  They've
had some poor coaching, and developed a lot of bad habits.  Parcells changed
a lot of those bad habits.

The draft pick only got them Bledsoe.  Despite the protests of some of the
New England fans, I still don't see them having a top quality running
back.

I'm a Giants fan, but it is interesting to watch the Pats rebuild......


'Saw

    

> I'm a Giants fan, but it is interesting to watch the Pats rebuild......
    
    it's more interesting to watch a pot of water boil or listen to grass as
    it grows.
    
    HtH
    
    The Crazy Met
    

�    it's more interesting to watch a pot of water boil or listen to grass as
�    it grows, or go to a New York Mets game.
    
�    HtH
    
�    The Crazy Met

    nah didn't forget anything. see at a NY Mets game there could be a
    no-hitter pitch (see Daryl Kile), a brawl could break out, etc.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    Is there any reason other than that the Steelers don't have anyone else 
    to have some hope in that we're supposed to believe that Neil O'Donnell 
    is even a good QB?  I just don't see it; I really don't, as much as I'd
    like to...
    
    glenn
    
    
       

    I agree with ya glenn.
    O'Donnell had a few good games last year when he bumped the Bubster out
    of the starting job, then he got hurt and he hasn't looked worth a damn
    since, except fer a few minutes in the SF game.
    
    Wonder if that backup guy in Phillthydelfia is avail....er no, fergit
    it.
    
    JaKe
    

glenn,

First you watch Bubby Brister try and play QB.
Then you watch Neil O'Donnell play QB.

The improvement is so dramatic you start to think that O'Donnell is a quality
QB.


My guess is Pitts. is still searching for that elusive NFl quality QB. Why is
that some teams managed to have passable QB's at least 2 deep and others can't
even field 1 NFL calibre QB?

Metz

    Quarterbacks are at a premium.  Look how much the Raiders improved with
    Hostetler at QB.  He's not great, but he's a zillion times better than
    the losers they had at QB for the last few years.
    
    NAZZ

    Jeff George is available...
    

    So are Tony Eason and Tommy Hodson.

I bet if they looked hard enough, they may be able to find Tommy 
Kramer in some alley somewhere.

He's was a great QB and could really do, uh, take a shot.

daryll

>I bet if they looked hard enough, they may be able to find Tommy 
>Kramer in some alley somewhere.
>
>He's was a great QB and could really do, uh, take a shot.

I always thought Joe Kapp was one tough SOB....

    Barry Foster is now the second highest paid Running Back in the NFL.
    
    Can't remember the exact #'s, but he only gets $460k this year plus
    incentives, AND a $2 mil signing bonus.
    
    The contract extension will run thru 1996.
    
    Woodson will be the next to sign, getting a contract in excess of $3
    mil/year.
    
    The STEELERS payroll has gone up 49% since lasted season, when they
    were last in the league, having the lowest payroll of any team.
    
    JaKe
    

      The contract extension thru 96?  And re-negotiated in 95!

    Rod Woodson inked a new contract that starts after this season is over,
    and runs fer 4 years, worth a total of $13 mil.
    
    The Steelers will be at or near the salary cap of $40 mil nexted year.
    
    JaKe
    

    STEELERS find their offense this week, and the defense came alive, too.
    
    They beat the Bungholes 34-7.
    
    O'Donnell 21-25, 189 yds, 3 tds, 0int's
    Foster 100+ yds.
    
    complete stats sometime tomorrow.
    
    JaKe
    

SCORING SUMMARY               

                1       2       3       4       T
Cincinnati      0       7       0       0       7
STEELERS        7       10      10      7       34

STEELERS--Mills, 3 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 33 yd FG
Bengals---Pickens 15 yd pass from Klingler(Pelfrey PAT)
STEELERS--Thigpen 18 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 34 yd FG
STEELERS--Stone 9 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Stone 38 yd run(Anderson PAT)

TEAM STATS:
Cincy                                           STEELERS
11                      1st Downs               23
3-10                    3rd Dn Eff              10-14
19-44                   Rushes-Yds              36-223
126                     Passing Yds             181
18-26-1                 Compl-Att-Int           21-25-0
2-12                    Sacked-Yds Lost         1-8
6-46                    Punts                   2-46
8-70                    Penalties-Yds           5-57
1-0                     Fumbles-Lost            1-1
24:15                   Time of Possession      35:45

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
Cincy--H.Green 12-16, Fenner 4-15, Klingler 3-13
STEELERS--Foster 23-103, Stone 2-65, Thompson 8-41, Worley 3-14.

PASSING:
Cincy--Klingler 17-21-0 1td 135 yds,  Schroeder 1-5 1int 3 yds
STEELERS--O'Donnell 21-25 0int 3td 189 yds, TOmczak 0-0-0-0

RECEIVING:
Cincy--Fenner 5-13, Pickens 4-52, McGee 4-35, Rembert 2-27, H.Green 2-8
       Thomason 1-3.
STEELERS--Foster 5-33, E.Green 4-70, Hoge 3-20, Thompson 3-3, Stone 2-28,
          Worley 2-14, Thigpen 1-18, Mills 1-3. 

Attendance--53,682


JaKe

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      10      28       3      17       58
STEELERS        7      13       20      7       47
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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
52                      1st Downs               46
16-39                   3rd down efficiency     19-42
810                     Net Yards               790
233                     Rush Yds                380
577                     Passing Yds             410
63-96-6                 Compl-Att-Int           51-85-3
5-22                    Sacked-Yds Lost         11-86
17-150                  Penalties-Yds           18-151
5-0                     Fumbles-Lost            6-4
30:42                   Time of Possession      29:18

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	 	55	233 	4.2	1
Stone 		4	 79    19.8	1
Thompson 	9	 43	4.8	0
Worley		3	 14	4.7	0
O'Donnell 	3	  9	3.0	0
Hoge 		3	  5	1.7	0
Tomczak 	2	 -3    -1.5	0
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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %compl	Td
O'Donnell 	47	74	 1 	450 	 9.6	   63.5		3
Tomczak 	4	11	 2 	 46  	11.5	   36.4		0

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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD
Stone 		7	       101	       14.4		1
Green		5		79	       15.8		0
Mills		5		66	       13.2		1
Foster 	       12		59		4.9		0
Thompson 	7		53	        7.6		0
Graham		3		35	       11.7		0
Thigpen		2		24	       12.0		1
Davenport	2		23	       11.5		0
Hoge		3		20	        6.7		0
Worley		3		14	        4.7		0
Cooper		1		13	       13.0		0
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson		4	5	0		17
Stone			0	0	2		12
Foster			0	0	1		 6
Mills			0	0	1		 6
Thigpen			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	3
Perry           2
Lake            1


JaKe

    Dey just showed a graphic on MNF showing the yardage so far(1st qtr)
    and Atlanta has -8 yds and leads 14-7.
    
    THey scored on a kickoff return and a fumble return.
    
    STEELERS scored on a Foster run.
    
    more later
    
    JaKe
    

    Halftime:
    STEELERS 24
    Atlanta  17
    
    Foster--2 TD's
    O'Donnell 1 TD throw to Stone
    Anderson 1 FG, 3 EP's.
    
    JaKe
    

    In the fourth, 45-17 Steelers.  BUT, it IS the Falcons.
    
    Steelers were 1-9 against NFC teams in last 10 meetings before tonight.
    
    Stats in here tomorrow.
    
    JaKe
    

      Have the squeelers played a playoff team from last year yet?  Tough
    schedule;^)
    
      Tim

 Yeah the 49 ers' who were in the real NFL championship game last year and who
 very much like CU got screwed by the refs....

 hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Beating up on the Falcons was quite fun in my estimation.  I was at the
    game and looked bleak in the first quarter but purely from the
    standpoint of steeler errors and coverage.  Barry Foster didn't do much
    all night with the exception of a couple of plays.  He had a 30yd jaunt
    around end for a touchdown and he pile drove 3 or 4 falcons into the
    endzone for a touchdown from about 7 yards out.  Outside of these plays
    he had about 18 rushes for 27yds and a couple pass catches and runs.
    
    The defensive backs had a couple of lapses early but caused coverage
    sacks and fumbles all evening.  Greg Lloyd was awesome on the pressure
    and made some super hits.  The defesive line has gotten a lot bigger
    and applied more pressure than I can recall from last year.  Being in
    Atlanta I have seen both SF and NO defenses against the Falcon
    offensive line and yesterday was the most pressure applied so far. 
    Prior to last night the falcon offense had scored over 60 points in the
    last two games.  The falcon O scored zip last night.
    
    There were quit a few Steeler fans at the game but I was surrounded by
    the falcon faithful.  I got pounded until the end of the first qtr. 
    The steeler hat and yelling after the first drive touchdown was a dead
    giveaway.  All in all it was great to see the steelers play live.  The
    last time they came to Atlanta me and mine tossed our 8 tickets because
    it turned out to be a scab game('87).  Monday night's my bowling night
    and if I absolutely had to miss it, it was good to see the steelers
    kick some butt.
    
    Roy L.
     

    
    
    >>				The defesive line has gotten a lot bigger
    >>and applied more pressure than I can recall from last year.
    
    The addition of Kevin Greene, plus Greg Lloyd just keeps getting meaner
    and better, has helped the STEELER pass rush immensely.
    
    JaKe
    

SCORING SUMMARY:
		1	2	3	4	T
STEELERS      	7	17  	7 	14	45
Atlanta        14  	3  	0  	0	17

STEELERS--Foster 30 yd run(Anderson PAT)
Atlanta---Smith 97 yd Kickoff Return(Johnson PAT)
Atlanta---Clark 46 yd fumble return(Johnson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 21 yd FG
Atlanta---Johnson 49 yd FG
STEELERS--Foster 7 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Stone 4 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Thigpen 7 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Foster 1 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Davidson 18 yd fumble return(Anderson PAT)

TEAM STATS:
STEELERS						Atl
22			1st Downs			16
4-10			3rd Down Efficiency		2-10
34-111			Rushes-Yds			17-44
259			Net Passing Yds			178
19-25-0			Compl-Att-Int			17-38-4
0-0			Sacked-Yds Lost			3-17
4-38			Punts				3-37
5-88			Penalties-Yds			6-50
1-1			Fumbles-Lost			4-2
33:38			Time of Possession		26:22

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:

STEELERS--Foster 20-65, Thompson 7-24, Stone 2-10, O'Donnell 2-8, Worley 2-4,
	  Woodson 1-0.
Atlanta---Pegram 13-37, Dickerson 1-7, Hebert 3-0.

PASSING:


STEELERS--O'Donnell 19-25 0 int's, 2 TD's, 259 yards
Atlanta---Hebert 12-24 2 ints, 0 tds, 131 yards, Tolliver 5-13 2 ints, 0 tds, 
	  64 yards, Miller 0-1 0 ints 0 tds 0 yards

RECEIVING:

STEELERS--Stone 4-68, Hoge 3-33, Mills 2-34, E.Green 2-28, Foster 2-24,
	  Thompson 2-14, Davenport 1-19, Graham 1-19, Cooper 1-13, Thigpen 1-7.
Atlanta---Haynes 5-43, Rison 4-50, Pritchard 3-43, Hill 2-40, Mims 2-19 Pegram
	  1-0.


JaKe

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      24      31       3      17       75
STEELERS       14      30       27     21       92
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
68                      1st Downs               68
18-49                   3rd down efficiency     23-52
36.7%			3rd down eff %		44.2%
1032                    Net Yards               1169
258			Net yds/Game		292.3
277                     Rush Yds                491
69.3			Rush Yds/Gm		122.8
755                     Passing Yds             669
188.8			Pass Yds/Gm		167.3
80-134-10               Compl-Att-Int           70-110-3
8-39                    Sacked-Yds Lost         11-86
23-200                  Penalties-Yds           23-239
9-2                     Fumbles-Lost            7-5
29:37                   Time of Possession      30:23

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	 	75	298 	3.9	3
Stone 		6	 89    14.8	1
Thompson 	16	 68	4.3	0
Worley		5	 18	3.6	0
O'Donnell 	5	 17	3.4	0
Hoge 		3	  5	1.7	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	2	 -3    -1.5	0                    
------------------------------------------
Total         113       492     4.35    4

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell 	66	99	 1 	709 	10.7	   66.7		5
Tomczak 	4	11	 2 	 46  	11.5	   36.4		0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total		70     110       3      755     10.8       63.6         5

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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD
Stone 	       11	       169	       15.4		2
Green		7	       107	       15.3		0
Mills		7	       100	       14.3		1
Foster 	       14		83		5.9		0
Thompson 	9		67	        7.4		0
Graham		4		54	       13.5		0
Hoge		6		53	        8.8		0
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0
Thigpen		3		31	       10.3		2 
Cooper		2		26	       13.0		0 
Worley		3		14	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson		5	11	0		26
Foster			0	0	4		24
Stone			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	5
Perry           2
Lake            1
K.Henry		1
Figures		1

JaKe

      I told you Greene was a good choice.

    
    >>  I told you Greene was a good choice.
    
    Cut right in the mold of the old STEELER linebacker corp.  He and Lloyd
    have been putting tons of pressure on the QB's so far.
    
    JaKe
    

    I still can't figure out what team went to LA to play the rams. 
    Apparently the rams were better than anticipated but 27-0????
    
    Roy L. 

> I still can't figure out what team went to LA to play the rams. 

That was the real Steelers. Monday night was a fluke.

The Crazy Met

    DISTRACTIONS
    
    That's the supposed speculation behind why the STEELERS sucked so hard
    in the first two games.
    
    Barry Foster was pissing and moaning about his contract, the STEELERS
    was negotiating, both with his agent and thru the media, plus they was
    negotiating with Rod Woodson at the same time.
    
    I don't know if that's the answer, but the STEELERS played the past two
    weeks like a good team would, against two such sorry spectacles and the
    Bungholes and the Falcons(who play like their wings have been clipped).
    
    JaKe
    

We all know the first game was lost on the play of Mike Tomazak. Second
game I'd be tempted to lay the blame at Cower's feet for not having them
ready. 

ODonnell's healthy, Barry's happy, hopefully away we go!!!!

mike    

    I'm cautiously optimistic, Mike.
    
    O'Donnell,on the strength of going 40 of 50, with no Int's and 5 TD's,
    and 448 passing yards fer the last two games, has moved into 3rd place
    in the NFL among QB's. 
    
    Carleton Haselrig has checked hisself into a Drug/Alcohol rehab program
    AGAIN, it's the second time in 1993 he's gone in.  The first was in
    April after he got nailed fer drunk driving.
    
    JaKe
    

  Greg Loyld put on some show yesterday. I haven't seen a linebacker hit
  like that since Dick Butkus.

	Keith 

    STEELERS discharged the Chargers, 16-3 yesterday.
    
    Once again, the officials proved that they are on the edge of
    incompetence, nullifying a tremendous TD catch by Jeff Graham.  The
    Steelers had the ball at ~ the SD 5, O'Donnell threw the timing pass to
    the corner, Graham makes a noce catch and drags both feet, the Side
    judge signalled TD, and the back judge came over fer a talk wif the
    side judge, and they changed the call to no td.  The replay clearly
    showed that it WAS a td. Oh well, it didn't hurt the STEELERS in the
    long run.
    
    Gary Anderson moved ahead of Lou Groza into 18th place all time in # of
    field goals.
    
    Greg Lloyd, as stated in the previous reply, put on a clinic as far a
    linebackers goes.  He was EVERYWHERE, and making andbody that got in
    his way pay for touching the ball.
    
    Kevin Greene knocked John Friesz out of the game with a concussion. 
    Greene hit Friesz just as he was throwing the ball, and the result was
    a lame duck pass that Darren Perry made a nice diving interception on,
    and Friesz leaving the game for good.
    
    More later
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
SCORING SUMMARY
		1	2	3	4	T
Chargers        0  	3  	0  	0 	3
STEELERS      	3  	3  	7  	3	16


STEELERS--Anderson 37 yd FG
STEELERS--Anderson 34 yd FG
Chargers--Carney 33 yd FG
STEELERS--Kirkland 16 yd Fumble Return(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 35 yd FG

TEAM STATS:
Chargers						STEELERS
12			1st Downs			15
4-12			3rd Dwn Efficiency		3-13
138			Total Yds			304
20-19			Rushes-Yds			36-148
119			Passing yds			156
17-31-1			Compl-Att-Int			16-25-0
1-8			Sacked-Yds Lost			0-0
7-44			Punts				6-44.2
2-15			Penalties			8-70
4-2			Fumbles-Lost			0-0
24:38			Time of Possession		35:22


INDIVIDUAL STATS:

RUSHING:
Chargers--Harmon 3-12, Butts 9-8, Means 5-6, Friesz 2-4, Lewis 1-(-11)
STEELERS--Foster 23-110, Thompson 8-22, Hoge 4-14, O'Donnell 1-2.

PASSING:
Chargers--Friesz 15-26 1 Int 0 TD,  Humphries 2-5 0 int 0 TD.
STEELERS--O'Donnell 16-25 0 Int. 0 TD.

RECEIVING:
Chargers--Miller 6-61, Harmon 4-15, Walker 2-13, Barnes 1-13, Lewis 1-13.
	  Jefferson 1-7, Means 1-4, Butts 1-1.
STEELERS--E.Green 5-81, Graham 4-33, Foster 4-24, Mills 1-9, Stone 1-8,
          Thompson 1-1.


JaKe

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      24      34       3      17       78
STEELERS       17      33       34     24       108
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
80                      1st Downs               83
22-61                   3rd down efficiency     26-65
36.1%			3rd down eff %		40.0%
1170                    Net Yards               1473
234			Net yds/Game		294.6
296                     Rush Yds                636
59.2			Rush Yds/Gm		127.8
874                     Passing Yds             825
174.8			Pass Yds/Gm		165
97-165-11               Compl-Att-Int           86-135-3
9-47                    Sacked-Yds Lost         11-86
25-215                  Penalties-Yds           31-309
13-4                    Fumbles-Lost            7-5
28:37                   Time of Possession      31:23

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	 	98	405 	4.1	3
Thompson 	24	 89	3.8	0
Stone 		6	 89    14.8	1
Hoge 		7	 19	2.7	0
O'Donnell 	6	 19	3.2	0
Worley		5	 18	3.6	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	2	 -3    -1.5	0                    
------------------------------------------
Total         149       636     4.40    4

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell 	82	124	 1 	865 	10.55	   66.1		5
Tomczak 	 4	 11	 2 	 46  	11.5	   36.4		0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total		86      135      3      911     10.59      63.7         5

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD
Green	       12	       189	       15.8		0
Stone 	       11	       169	       15.4		2
Mills		8	       109	       13.6		1
Foster 	       18	       107		5.9		0
Graham		8		87	       10.9		0
Thompson       10		68	        6.8		0
Hoge		6		53	        8.8		0
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0
Thigpen		3		31	       10.3		2 
Cooper		2		26	       13.0		0 
Worley		3		14	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson		8	12	0		36
Foster			0	0	4		24
Stone			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Figures			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	5
Perry           3
Lake            1
K.Henry		1
Figures		1

JaKe

    The Steelers entered this game having won three in a row, and
    apparently were on a roll.  BUT, the last three wins came against teams
    with combined records of 2-12, so what was it really worth.
    
    WEll, from the Aints second play from scrimmage, the STEELERS totally
    dominated them.  That second play was shen Rod Woodson took a pass that
    Derek Brown couldn't find the handle on(Wilson's pass was on the money)
    and went 63 yards for a TD that put the STEELERS up 7-0.  
    
    The STEELER defense only allowed 49 rushing yards to the Aints, who
    entered the game with the NFL's best rushing attack.  No TEAM has
    gained over 100 yards rushing against the STEELER defense this season,
    which, btw, is ranked #1 in the NFL against the rush.
    
    The Aints entered this game with 21 on the season, and got only one
    sack, as tackles John Jackson and Leon Searcy shut out Rickey Jackson
    and Renaldo Turnbull, who had combined for 13 sacks in the first five
    games.
    
    The STEELERS bludgeoned the Aint's defense for 201 rushing yards,
    including Leroy Thompson's 101 yards, his first career 100 yard game,
    and 75 from Barry Foster, who played only the first half before leaving
    with a bruised shoulder.
    
    The Aints had allowed only 7 sacks this season entering this game. 
    They gave up 5 yesterday.
    
    Wade Wilson, who had only thrown 1 interception this season, threw
    three yesterday, including 2 to Rod Woodson, who leads the NFL with 7.
    
    SUre, I'm gushing about this STEELER team and their victory yesterday,
    but the team played up to what expectations of them were at the
    beginning of the season, before they lost to the 49ers and the Rams.
    
    They've now won 4 in a row, and share the lead for the AFC Central with
    the Skidmarks from Clevescum, whom they meet at the Mistake by the Lake
    nexted week in a showdown which will produce a leader in the Central
    Div.
    
    JaKe
    

  ESPN showed an interesting stat yesterday. Against the Aints, the Steelers 
  gained 201 yards on the ground but the defense has only given up somewhere 
  around 160 rushing yards for the lasted 4 games combined.

  Remember a couple of years ago when everyone was complaining about the 
  lack of a pass rush by the Steelers. Cowher and company have done a terrific 
  job in turning one of the worst pass rushing teams into one of the best.

	Keith

    >>                <<< Note 32.342 by PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF >>>
    >>               -< Is this the best Defense in the NFL ? >-
    
    I dunno about that, but it's damned near the best, the way they have
    manhandled peoples fer the lasted 4 weeks.  Woodson is awesome, nw that
    he's being matched against the best players on the field, versus
    playing one corner position all the time and having the other team be
    able to play away from him.
    
SCORING SUMMARY:
                1       2       3       4       T
Saints          0       0       0       14      14
STEELERS        14      10      6       7       37

STEELERS--Woodson 63 yd Interception return(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Foster 20 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 40 yd FG
STEELERS--Foster 1 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 22 yd FG
STEELERS--Anderson 29 yd FG
STEELERS--E.Green 26 yd pass from Tomczak(Anderson PAT)
Saints----Small 3 yd pass from Buck(Andersen PAT)
Saints----Early 63 yd pass from Buck(Andersen PAT)

TEAM STATS:
Saints                                          STEELERS
11                      1st downs               22
1-12                    3rd down efficiency     8-17
267                     Total Net Yds           393
17-49                   Rushes-Yds              47-201
218                     Passing Yds             192
16-34-3                 Compl-Att-Int           15-29-1
5-31                    Sacked-Yds Lost         1-11
9-46                    Punts                   6-35
4-25                    Penalties-Yds           2-9
2-2                     Fumbles-Lost            3-2
22:45                   Time of Possession      37:15

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
SAINTS----Wilson 3-27, D.Brown 10-7, Muster 2-5, Hilliard 1-5, McAfee 1-5.
STEELERS--Thompson 16-101, Foster 21-75, Worley 5-15, Hoge 3-7, Stone 1-4, 
          Tomczak 1-(-1).

PASSING:
Saints----Wilson 6-23 3 ints 0 TD's 85 yards, Buck 10-11 2 TD's 0 ints 164 yds
STEELERS--O'Donnell 12-25 1 TD 1 INT 137 yds., TOmczak 3-4 1 TD 0 Int's 66 yds.

RECEIVING:
Saints----Martin 5-75, Small 4-34, Early 3-92, Smith 1-23, Ned 1-10, D.Brown
          1-9, Turner 1-6.
STEELERS--Thompson 4-23, Stone 3-53, E.Green 3-52, Foster 3-35, Cooper 1-24,
          Thigpen 1-16.

INTERCEPTIONS:
Saints----Taylor
STEELERS--Woodson 2, Lake.

SACKS:
Saints----V.Johnson
STEELERS--Greene 2, Evans, Kirkland, Steed.

JaKe
    

    Of the Saints total of 267 yards, 158 came on the final two drive when
    the STEELERS were playing mostly backups.
    
    The Saints got their first first down of the game on the last play of
    the first half, and entering the 4th qtr, only had 2 first downs.
    
    JaKe
    

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      24      34       3      31       92
STEELERS       31      43       40     31       145
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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
91                      1st Downs               105
23-73                   3rd down efficiency     34-82
31.5%			3rd down eff %		41.5%
1437                    Net Yards               1866
239.5			Net yds/Game		311
345                     Rush Yds                837
57.5			Rush Yds/Gm		139.5
1092                    Passing Yds             1017
182			Pass Yds/Gm		169.5
113-199-14              Compl-Att-Int           101-164-4
14-78                   Sacked-Yds Lost         12-97
29-240                  Penalties-Yds           33-318
15-6                    Fumbles-Lost            10-7
26:48                   Time of Possession      33:12

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      119	480 	4.0	4
Thompson       40	190	4.8	0
Stone 		7	 93    13.3	1
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0
Hoge 	       10	 26	2.6	0
O'Donnell 	6	 19	3.2	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	3	 -4    -1.3	0                    
------------------------------------------
Total         196       837     4.27    5

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell 	94	149	 2     1002 	10.66	   63.1		6
Tomczak 	 7	 15	 2 	112  	16.0	   46.7		1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       101      164      4     1114     11.03      61.6         7

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
STEELERS--Thompson 4-23, Stone 3-53, E.Green 3-52, Foster 3-35, Cooper 1-24,
          Thigpen 1-16.

RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD
Green	       15	       241	       16.1		1
Stone 	       14	       222	       15.9		2
Foster 	       21	       142		6.8		1
Mills		8	       109	       13.6		1
Graham		8		87	       10.9		0
Thompson       14		91	        6.5		0
Hoge		6		53	        8.8		0 
Cooper		3		50	       16.7		0 
Thigpen		4		47	       11.8		2 
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0 
Worley		3		14	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       11	16	0		49
Foster			0	0	6		36
Stone			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Figures			0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
E.Green			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1

JaKe
                 

    Word from STEELER central is that Foster(shoulder) and Thompson(some
    muscle or other) will both be ready and able for Sunday's game at the
    Mistake by the Lake.
    
    The STEELERS have lost 10 of their last 11 games played in the
    Clevescum Sludgepit, where raw sewage is painted green and they try to
    pass it off as turf.  
    
    One of the biggest problems in Clevescum is when the idiots in the Pig
    Pound throw their snacks, ie dog bones, on the field, and throw them at
    opposing players.  The STEELERS are considering a limited Nuclear
    attack on the stands at the open end of the stadium.  Complete
    annihalation fo that area, complete with the morons who inhabit it each
    game day, would raise the cumulative IQ of the stadium by about 1000
    points.
    
    JaKe
    

    	Hey RaKe, at last year's Patriots/Browns game the Cleveland
    faithful who showed up were throwing dog bones at the cheerleaders. 
    One wonders about the stability of someone, who when presented with a 
    string of beautiful women, their first reaction is to throw a doggie 
    biscuit at them?  Is this some kind of Cleveland mating ritual?
    
    				/Don

    
    
    >> One wonders about the stability of someone, who when presented with a
    >> string of beautiful women, their first reaction is to throw a doggie
    >> biscuit at them?  Is this some kind of Cleveland mating ritual?
    
    
      Maybe they looked hungry?
    
      

    	Stevie, while they may be supple the cheerleaders certainly don't
    look overly thin.  Just ask Tommy Brydie.  Right Tommy?
    
    				/Don

	I gotta agree wit /er on this one.  Those Patriettes are not overly thin.
	They seem to be very "supple" in all the right places, if'n yunz know
	what I mean.

	It takes me a week to defog my binoculars after the game. Ah...there
	was a football game, wasn't there?


	billl

 Yup, I was lucky enough to sit with Slasher (that's not the lucky part)
 in his excellent season ticket seats (*that's* the lucky part) right in 
 front of the Pats cheerleaders. A real nice view. I earned the scorn of 
 some joker in a pink giraffe costume on the sidelines, though when I called
 him/her over and made like I was going to shake his/her hand and when he/she
 extended their paw, I told him/her to screw. Hey, I gotta be me. 

    >                                 A real nice view. I earned the scorn of
    >some joker in a pink giraffe costume on the sidelines, though when I called
    >him/her over and made like I was going to shake his/her hand and when
    >he/she extended their paw, I told him/her to screw. Hey, I gotta be me.
    
    
      So that was YOU, you, you..AGGHH!! ..That was my daughter, and it 
    was her first assignment at Foxboro.  She was so proud to finally get a 
    job that got her out from behind a desk punching a keyboard, day
    after day after day.
    And then you did that to her. She was heartbroken and cried for a week.
    To this day, she can't put on that costume without breaking down.
     
      Why, somebody oughtta slug ya..
    
      

    The STEELERS traded Tim Worley today to the BEars for a draft pick
    nexted year.
    
    JaKe
    

    Worley was traded to the Bears for conditional draft picks in the 1994
    and 1995 drafts.
    
    He will back up NealAnderson in Chicago.  he was on the third string
    here behind Barry Foster and Leroy Thompson.
    
    Foster's shoulder injury from Sunday is not serious, and he will start
    against the 'SPots.  Thompson's thigh bruise has him listed as
    probable, but is more serious than Foster's injury.
    
    JaKe
    

    Adrian Cooper, TE is on the inactive list for Sunday, he had a slight
    injury(cain't remember to what), and was listed as probable, but won't
    suit up.  There's some speculation as to whether it's to send a message
    to him about the three dropped passes he's had in the last two weeks,
    including two big drops .vs. New Orleans.
    
    Also, Leroy Thompson, RB, is also inactive for Sunday with a bruised
    thigh.
    
    JaKe
    

SCORING SUMMARY:
                1       2       3       4       T
STEELERS        0       14      6       3       23
Cleveland       0       14      7       7       28

'Spots--Jackson 62 yd pass from Testaverde(Stover PAT)
'Spots--Metcalf 91 yd punt return(Stover PAT)
STEELERS--Foster 4 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Foster 1 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 30 yd FG
'Spots--Wolfley 4 yd pass from Testaverde(Stover PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 46 yd FG
STEELERS--30 yd FG
'SPots--Metcalf 75 yd punt return(Stover PAT)

TEAM STATISTICS:
STEELERS                                                Browns
26                      1st Downs                       12
6-14                    3rd dn Efficiency               3-9
444                     Total Net Yds                   245
33-96                   Rushes-yds                      22-98
348                     Passing yds                     147
25-39-1                 Compl-Att-Int                   10-16-0
2-7                     Sacked-Yds lost                 4-27
3-45                    Punts                           5-50
4-25                    Penalties-Yds                   7-59
2-1                     Fumbles-Lost                    3-1
36:29                   Time of Possession              23:31

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
STEELERS--Foster 28-87, O'Donnell 1-11, Hoge 2-5, Mills 2-(-7)
'Spots----Metclaf 7-53, Vardell 7-19, Baldwin 2-13, Testaverde 1-9, Hoard 1-3
          Kosar 4-1.

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'DOnnell 25-39, 1 Int, 0 TD, 355 yards.
'Spots----Testaverde 9-14, 0 Int, 2 TD's, 167 yards, Kosar 1-2, 0 Int, 0 TD
          7 yds.

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--Green 6-108, Graham 5-89, Stone 5-54, Hoge 4-43, Foster 3-40,
          Thigpen 1-13, Mills 1-8.
'Spots----Metcalf 3-18, Jackson 2-106, Hoard 2-20, Wolfley 2-13, SMith 1-17.

JaKe

No JaKewatch needed here.
    
There's two words which tell the story of why the STEELERS lost in Clevescum 
yesterday, ERIC METCALF.

The STEELERS completely outplayed the Brown(spot)s(tm), offensively AND 
defensively, but it was the RAUNCHY special teams play of the STEELERS, 
blowing their containment coverages on Metcalf not once, but TWICE, allowing
him to have TD punt returns of 91 and 75 yards.  On the second return, which
buried the STEELERS, Special TEams technician ROn Wolfley of the 'Spots
blatantly blockied a STEELER defender from behind.  He said of the block,
"I kind of rolled the dice and stuck my head in there, then looked around
with a beating heart for a flag, but they didn't throw it. I was grateful.
SOmeone must have been shining down on me, because it was close."

It wasn't close it was clipping.  AND, it wasn't a person or a deity shining
down on him.  It was a stadium known to the rest of the world as Cleveland
Municipal Stadium and to the STEELERS as HELL!!!

The STeelers loss yesterday was their 11th in their last 12 games there.
They have lost there to Brown(spot)s(tm) teams to which they were inferior,
and to 'Spots teams that had no business beating them.

Neil O'Donnell had a dareer day passing, completing 25 of 39 passes for 355
yards, but no TD's.  He threw one interception, but the 'Spots player who 
intercepted the pass turned the ball right back over when he fumbled the ball 
when he was hit.

Barry Foster gained 87 yards on 28 carries, and scored two TD's.

The STEELERS held the 'SPots to 98 rushing yards, making it the 7th straight
game that the STEELERS have held their opponent to less than 100 rushing yards
THe 'Spots HAD 101 yards rushing, though, until Bernice knelt on the ball 
three straight times at the end of the game, resulting in three "one yard
losses".

Linebacker Jerry Olsavsky' injury is officially listed as a dislocated 
sprained knee. He is likely gone for the season.  On the play after his injury, 
the STEELERS appeared to let down, allowing Michael Jackson to take s short 
pass, go across the field with it, and break down the sidelines for a 62 yard 
TD.  On the play, linebacker Reggie Barnes, subbing for Olsavsky, was
covering Leroy Hoard. The 'Spots ran a pick on Barnes annd Rod Woodson, 
seeing Hoard go uncovered, broke off his coverage of Jackson to cover Hoard,
TesticleVerde then hit Jackson with a short pass over the middle, and Jackson
did the rest.

On the STEELERS final possession, they were moving the ball when O'Donnell
hit Dwight Stone with a short pass  and as Stone was trying to get out of bounds, 
he was hit and fumbled the ball, the 'SPots recovered, and the game was 
history.

Eric Green had one of the best days of his career, catching 6 passes for 108
yards, including a 55 yd pass from O'Donnell on the STEELERS first scoring
drive.

Gary Anderson's missed FG in the first qtr was his first miss of the season.
Anderson connected on 3 of 4 yesterday, making him 14 of 15 for the season.

Oh well, there's the rematch here the last game fo the season.

JaKe

    I only had a quick glance at the second runback on espn but I think I
    see what you must have called clipping.
    
    However, on punt/kick returns the rule on clipping and call of same is
    very complex and involves the locations of runner,blocker,opponent and 
    goaline.
    
    This is as far as I can go.  Does anybody know
    
    	1.  The rules for clipping as they relate to runbacks and when a
    blocker is "behind" the blockee.
    
    	2.  What I'm talking about? *^)
    
    A similar "clip" occurred in a bc - brigham young game a few years back
    and I was told I just didn't know my football.  True.

    Well, I watched the return a couple of times, and there was a clear
    clip, a 'Spots player took out a STEELER player from behind, hitting
    him at about the knees, but from BEHIND, pure penalty, but the freakin'
    refs are so blind this year....
    
    Oh well, they NEVER should have been in that position to lose that way,
    anyways.
    
    JaKe
    

The Steelers lost this one cause three different times they couldn't make
a tackle. Both Metcalf returns and the deep out to Michael Jackson or
whatever he's calling himself this week shoulda been stopped but weren't
and that was that.

TTom

    Strange as it seems, blocking "from behind" is not necessarily a clip.
    
    But we have some excellent technicians here that can explain it because
    I am not (and was not)sure of the explanation.

�    Strange as it seems, blocking "from behind" is not necessarily a clip.
    
    I thought the only time it wasn't (other than when the ref doesn't see
    it) is within a yard or so of the line of scrimmage.

    
    It's got to do with direction towards goal that x is going and
    direction of y's block.  That fact that "o" has his back to "y" does
    not make it a clip (or again, so I've been told).
    See diagram (crude (I'm no Mike Heiser).
    
    --------------------------------------
    
            /<----
           /
          o/---y<----
    ---->x
    
    ---------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      24      48       10     38       120
STEELERS       31      57       46     34       168
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
103                     1st Downs               131
26-82                   3rd down efficiency     40-96
31.7%			3rd down eff %		41.7%
1682                    Net Yards               2310
240.3			Net yds/Game		330
443                     Rush Yds                933
63.3			Rush Yds/Gm		133.3
1239                    Passing Yds             1365
177			Pass Yds/Gm		195
123-215-14              Compl-Att-Int           126-203-5
18-105                  Sacked-Yds Lost         14-104
36-299                  Penalties-Yds           37-343
18-7                    Fumbles-Lost            12-8
26:20                   Time of Possession      33:40

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      147	568 	3.9	7
Thompson       40	190	4.8	0
Stone 		7	 93    13.3	1
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0
Hoge 	       12	 31	2.6	0
O'Donnell 	7	 30	4.3	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	3	 -4    -1.3	0                    
Mills		2	 -7    -3.5	0
------------------------------------------
Total         229       934     4.1     8

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      119	188	 3     1357 	11.40	   63.3		6
Tomczak 	 7	 15	 2 	112  	16.0	   46.7		1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       126      203      5     1469     11.66      62.1         7


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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       21	       348	       16.6		1
Stone 	       20	       284	       14.2		2        
Foster 	       24	       182		7.6		1        
Graham	       13	       176	       13.8		0        
Mills		9	       117	       13.0		1        
Hoge	       10		96	        9.6		0        
Thompson       14		91	        6.5		0 
Thigpen		5		57	       11.4		2 
Cooper		3		50	       16.7		0 
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                  
SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       14	18	0		60
Foster			0	0	8		48
Stone			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
E.Green			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1

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SACKS:
Greene		4.5
Evans		3.5
Lloyd		3
Steed		1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1
Woodson		2
Davidson	.5


JaKe

    Jerry Olsavsky ius definitely gone for the season.  he tore two
    ligaments in his knee.  Doctors said surgery will be scheduled in aobut
    a week, when the swelling goes down.
    
    It is not known whether this injury will be a career ending injury,
    though.
    
    JaKe
    

    Steeler Special teams coach, John Guy, said he had no nightmares about
    Eric Metcalf's two TD's .vs. his special teams on Sunday.
    
    The reason, he couldn't sleep!!!!  It kept him awake all night.
    
    The STEELERS special teams, ranked high in the NFL lasted year, this
    year are HIGHLY RANK!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
     This is one time that I have to agree with JaKe...  There was 
    a major clip on the second run back.  The reason is wasn't call 
    is the Zebras knew they would get out alive if they had made the
    correct call.  Clevescum fans are well known for the bone/battery/
    bottle throwing tantrums when things don't quite work out the 
    way they would like them to.  Ask the Donks...  They have spoiled 
    several Clowns dreams !!!
    
    BG

> The reason is wasn't call is the Zebras knew they would get out alive

sort of like what one NFL official said about the refs "taking back" the 
Immaculate Reception. They wouldn't get out of Pittsburgh alive.

The Crazy Met

    Exactly like that...  Turn about being fair and all...  I really
    could give a rats ass about either team, TCM...  But I hate to 
    see a game won (and possibly a season turned sour) over a bad 
    call by some bozo zebra...  The "reception" should have come
    back as well IMHO...  But it wasn't nearly as clear cut as this 
    clip.
    
    BG

    GOOD NEWS!!!
    
    The STEELERS Special teams DID NOT cost them a game yesterday!!!!
    
    The fact that the STEELERS were idle yesterday is beside the point.
    
    JaKe
    

    Chad Brown, the rookie who held out and was threatening to not play
    football at all and just go back home and raise snakes for $125k/year
    and was the STEELERS # 2 draft pick this year and went to Colorado U.
    will start this week in place of injured LB Jerry Olsavsky.
    
    Speaking of Olsavsky, doctors say it is still too early to tell if he
    will EVER be able to play football again.  they say his chances are
    50-50 at best right now after tearing all of his ligaments in his knee.
    
    JaKe
    

  Too bad about Olsavsky, he always played his heart out and achieved much
  more than anyone thought he was capable of. You always like to have a guy 
  like him on your team.

    Keith

	"Snake-man" or not, Olsavsky will sure sorely missed.  


	billl

    re-.1
    
    The "Snake-man" had a helluva firsted start yesterday in place of
    Olsavsky, getting two sacks.
    
    The STEELERS started off like they thought this week was the off week. 
    The defense looked a little rusty on the Bungholes firsted drive, but
    stiffened and only yeilded 3 points.  
    
    Later, with the STEELERS on the Bungholes 6, O'Donnell tried to hit
    Ernie Mills with a quick out pass and Bunghole Darryl Williams stepped
    in front of Mills, picked the ball off at the 3, and rambled 97 yards
    for a TD.  The extra point sailed wide and the Bungholes led 9-0.
    
    On the STEELERS next offensive play from scrimmage, O'Donnell fumbled
    the shap, Cincy recovered, and a few plays later, scored ANOTHER TD to
    make the score 16-0 and it appeared the rout was on.  I had the same
    sick feeling in my stomach that I had when the STEELERS were down 17-0
    to the Rams earlier this year, that feeling caused by the fack that the
    STEELERS were getting beaten by a truly inferior opponent.
    
    On the next drive, the same Darryl Williams was Hero turned goat as he
    was caught in 1 on 1 coverage against Eric Green.  O'Donnell hit Green
    in stride, and Green shook a tackler and rumbled the rest of the way in
    fer a TD on a 71 yd TD pass play.
    
    Later, before the end of the first half, O'Donnell hit Merrill Hoge fer
    a TD to make the score 16-14 Bungholes at the half.
    
    Barry Foster scored a TD in the second half, and Gary ANderson added a
    field goal and the comeback was complete, with the STEELERS winning
    24-16.
    
    The Bungholes bacame the first team this year to run for over 100
    yards, totalling 103 yds.  Jay Schroeder added 20 yards to that total
    on the Bungholes last drive on a scramble.
    
    O'Donnell, who had completed two-thirds of his passes over the last 5
    games, had a sub-par day in the completion percentage aspect, but threw
    for 244 yards, 2 tds and only 1 int.
    
    JaKe
    

  Took the kids to da zoo yesterday, so I didn't watch the Steelers play.

  How'd the "Snake-man" do in his firsted NFL start ?

  I'm lookin forward to next Monday night's game against the Bills. It
  should be a good one to watch.
  
	Keith

    
 >> How'd the "Snake-man" do in his firsted NFL start ?

    Two sacks.  Played pretty good otherwise, too.
    
 >> I'm lookin forward to next Monday night's game against the Bills. It
 >> should be a good one to watch.
    
    Suprizingly, the early line on the game is the STEELERS are 3 point
    favorites.  I know that will change by gametime, and the game is in
    Pittsburgh, but I just can't see the STEELERS being favored by 3 over
    the Bills, no matter where they're playing.
    
    JaKe
    

who was favored for the playoff game they played against the Bills last
year??

The Crazy Met

    The bills was favored, if I remember correctly.
    
    JaKe
    

    

SCORING SUMMARY
		1	2	3	4	T
STEELERS	0	14	0	10	24
Cincy		3	13	0	0	16

Cincy--Pelfrey 32 yd FG
Cincy--Williams 97 yd interception return(Pelfrey PAT)
Cincy--Query 7 yd pass from Schroeder(Pelfrey PAT)
STEELERS--E.Green 71 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Hoge 9 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Foster 1 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 23 yd FG

TEAM STATS:
STEELERS					Cincy
21			1st Downs		14
4-12			3rd Dn Eff		6-15
390			Total Net Yds		199
33-146			Rushes-Yds		30-103
244			Net Passing Yds		96
14-34-1			Compl-Att-Int		13-29-1
0-00			Sacked-Yds Lost		3-21
6-41			Punts			7-39
5-48			Penalties		5-40
1-1			Fumbles-Lost		2-0
30:08			Time of Possession	29:52

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
STEELERS--Foster 25-120, L.Thompson 2-18, O'Donnell 6-8.
Cincy-----H.Green 22-59, Schroeder 4-31, Query 1-8, Benjamin 3-5.

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'Donnell 14-34, 1 Int, 2 TD's, 244 yds
Cincy-----Schroeder 13-29, 1 Int, 1 TD, 117 yds.

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--E.Green 3-91, Mills 3-55, Foster 3-35, Stone 2-37, Graham 2-17, 
	  Hoge 1-9.
Cincy-----Query 6-48,  McGee 2-22, Pickens 2-22,  Benjamin 1-16, H.Green 1-8,
	  C.Thompson 1-1.

INTERCEPTIONS:
STEELERS--D.J.Johnson 1-10 yds
Cincy-----Williams 1-97 yds

SACKS:
STEELERS--C.Brown 2, K.Green 1.
Cincy--NONE.

JaKe

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      27      61       10     38       136
STEELERS       31      71       46     44       192
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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
117                     1st Downs               152
32-97                   3rd down efficiency     44-108
32.99%			3rd down eff %		40.7%
1881                    Net Yards               2700
235			Net yds/Game		337.5
546                     Rush Yds                1079
68.25			Rush Yds/Gm		134.9
1335                    Passing Yds             1609
166.9			Pass Yds/Gm		201.1
136-244-15              Compl-Att-Int           140-237-6
21-126                  Sacked-Yds Lost         14-104
41-339                  Penalties-Yds           42-391
20-7                    Fumbles-Lost            13-9
26:46                   Time of Possession      33:14

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      172	688 	4.0	8
Thompson       42	208	5.0	0
Stone 		7	 93    13.3	1
O'Donnell      13	 38	2.9	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0
Hoge 	       12	 31	2.6	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	3	 -4    -1.3	0                    
Mills		2	 -7    -3.5	0
------------------------------------------
Total         262      1080     4.12    9

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      133	222	 4     1601 	12.04	   59.9		8
Tomczak 	 7	 15	 2 	112  	16.0	   46.7		1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       140      237      6     1713     12.24      59.1         9

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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       24	       439	       18.3		2
Stone 	       22	       321	       14.6		2        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1
Graham	       15	       193	       12.9		0        
Mills	       12	       172	       14.3		1        
Hoge	       11	       105	        9.5		1
Thompson       14		91	        6.5		0 
Thigpen		5		57	       11.4		2 
Cooper		3		50	       16.7		0 
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       15	21	0		66
Foster			0	0	9		54
Stone			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
E.Green			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
Hoge			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1
D.J.Johnson	1
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SACKS:
Greene		5.5
Evans		3.5
Lloyd		3
Woodson		2
C.Brown		2
Steed		1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1
Davidson	.5


JaKe             

	I thought I would check up on the teams that were 0-2 after two
    weeks of the season had past.  It's now the halfway point for the
    sixteen week schedule(some teams have 9 games in).
    
================================================================================
Note 32.298                *PITTSBURGH STEELERS NOTE*                 298 of 381
MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!"            15 lines  13-SEP-1993 16:33
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >> The steelers join a list of what looks like a bunch of pretty 
  >> poor teams at 0-2.
    
     yeah, but the Pats *seem* to be moving in the right direction unlike:
 
>    	Steelers <-- stuck in place and clinging to long gone glory years.
>    	Falcons <-- never was, never will be.
>    	Patriots <-- the team of the '90s
>    	Bengals <-- things can only get worse. 
>    	Buccaneers <-- better than an 0-2 team but not much better.
>    	Bears <-- suddenly Ditka doesn't look so bad.
>    	Seahawks <-- the team of the 2020s
>    	Cowboys**      No Emmit Smith <-- amen.
    
        The Cowboys(6-2) got Emmit and returned to superbowl caliber form.
    
        Steelers(5-3) looked like they were on a roll until Cleveland.
        Special teams have to step up.  More info. after buf game monday.
    
        Pats(1-8) took buf to ot but still bad!!
    
    	Falcons(2-6) still never had it never will.
    
    	Bengals(0-8) its only luck has been bad luck.
    
        Bears(3-5) has only beaten worse teams than them.
    
        Seahawks(4-5) no quite an offensive jug yet.
    
    We'll check at the end of the season.
    
    Roy L. 

    Jake,
    
    I have not been in sports note in a few years but this guy Jeff
    Riggen has brought me out of hiding.  He claims that the donko's
    are in the top 3 of best teams in the afc.  He also claims they
    will thrash the Steelers because Cleveland beat the Steelers and
    Denver beat the 'Spots so......  Please set him straight
    
    Frank "mmd" Mendez

Frank I don't think Jake needs any help when it comes to promoting the Squeelers
besides they have to squeel past Buffalo on Monday before they start fearing the
Bronco's. 

But I do have a question. What is the difference between Joe Montana and a 
Dollar ?


You can get 4 quarters from a dollar. 

    The Donks are tough to beat in Pile It Hig, no matter who ya are.  The
    jury is still out on the STEELERS, although they could easily be 6-2
    .vs. 5-3, if it weren't fer the special teams.
    
    The defense ranks among the best in the NFL, and should give Smellway
    problems in two weeks.  Neil O'donnell, even though he had an off day
    Sunday, still got the job done, and has been getting the job done.  He
    continues to make the STEELERS mgmt look good, ie dumping Bubby in
    favor of Neil.  Even though he is STILL bothered by the tendonitis in
    his throwing elbow, he has played well enough to take the STEELERS to a
    5-1 record over their last six games, although some of those games, the
    tone was set by the defense.
    
    Monday night's game against the Bills will show what the STEELERS are
    truly made of.  BIll Cowher and his assistants are continually coming
    up with good game plans.
    
    Barring major injuries in Monday's game, the game in Denver the
    following week should be a damned close game.
    
    JaKe
     

      Is the Monday game in 3 Rivers?  That will be a factor against
    muffalo...  There offense obviously has the potential,  but is lacking
    this season,  or at least should I say they aren't averaging 30+
    points/game.  They just got by a mediocre Pat defense and were soundly
    beat by the fish, and squeaked by the jints.
    
      I expect the sqeelers to win,  and in a way I hope they do,  that way
    the w/l records are closer.  That will be important in late Dec-early
    Jan when it comes to home field.
    
      Tim

    Yep, the Monday nighter is at 3 Rivers Stadium.
    
    JaKe
    

�They just got by a mediocre Pat defense 
    
    They started off mediocre (actually, bad) but are steadily improving. 
    The held the Bills to 1 TD, Seattle to 1, and Indy to 0 over the past 3
    weeks.

>    
>    They started off mediocre (actually, bad) but are steadily improving. 
>    The held the Bills to 1 TD, Seattle to 1, and Indy to 0 over the past 3
>    weeks.
>

To me, that's the hallmark of a Parcells team.  You'll see the defense
develop first.  Hopefully you won't have to go through that period that
the Giants fans went through between '83 and '85 where the defense would
play well all game but then give up something late and lose by 4 points.
They played a lot of prevent back then, late in the games, and even 
Bill's friend Bob Knight would call him up and bitch at him.

After the defense gets really good then the offense will develop.  You
won't see spectacular stuff, but if the team can run, and has a good QB,
it'll be solid, good in cold weather, and win games -- especially when
the defense is dead on.

The only drawback will be if you get down big early -- a Parcells team
is usually in bad shape when that happens, because they're not a quick
strike team.  But I do remember one game in San Francisco when the Jints
were down 21-0 at the half, and they came back BIG to take it.....


'SAw

re: jints coming back from 21-0

wasn't that the scab game on monday night a coupla years back?
what i remember most is parcells doubled over on the sidelines laughing
at bill walsh's option offense.
dr.a

nope, not a scab game. jints lost all 3 scab games - pretty sure about
that. 

The Crazy Met

Not the strike year.

It was in 1986, the first Super Bowl year.  It was on MNF and it was the
game where Bavaro carried like 10 49ers on his back.

I had to be up early the next morning and went to bed at half time.
Boy was I pissed when I picked up the paper the next morning and saw that
the Giants had put on a clinic....


'Saw

�Hopefully you won't have to go through that period that
�the Giants fans went through between '83 and '85 where the defense would
�play well all game but then give up something late and lose by 4 points.
    
    You mean like watching the Bills tie it at the end of regulation last
    week, or Seattle and Indy win it in the closing seconds like the
    previous two weeks?  Other than the early season losses to the Bills
    and the Jets, the Pats have been losing by 3 points or less.

yup, Pats scare me. Jets better be real up for that game, especially
after the massacre earlier this season.

The Crazy Met

    
    >>previous two weeks?  Other than the early season losses to the Bills
    >>and the Jets, the Pats have been losing by 3 points or less.
    
    But they still show up in the "L" column.  When they change the rules
    so that getting into the playoffs is done by least margin of points in
    losses, NE will have a chance, maybe.
    
    JaKe
    

�    But they still show up in the "L" column.  
    
    Did I say they didn't?  I was merely pointing out to 'Saw that his
    observation of Parcells was holding true so far during his tenure with
    the Pats.

>    
>    Did I say they didn't?  I was merely pointing out to 'Saw that his
>    observation of Parcells was holding true so far during his tenure with
>    the Pats.

Well, I guess I didn't explain my observation well enough.

And I should have used '84 and '85.  During those season the Giants
were winning more than losing, were always in the hunt for the playoffs,
and generally, as Giants fans we expected that they would win every week
when we watched.

We liked to use the saying "they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory".

That was in marked contrast to '83 when they went 3-12-1 and we figured
that they'd lose every game, and they sucked. 

To me, right now, the Pats are going through their version of the Giants
1983.  No one expects them to win, they can't run like a Parcells team
can and should run, and only their defense seems to be improving.

Next year seems to be a crucial year for the Pats -- it'll be interesting
to see what kind of talent Parcells can pick up for next year...


'Saw

�No one expects them to win, they can't run like a Parcells team
�can and should run, and only their defense seems to be improving.
    
    Wrong.  They have been running (Russell has come close to logging 100
    yard games 3 weeks in a row now) and the OL is definately improving as
    shown by the improved running game and the decline in sacks.

    Running isn't a problem for the Pats. Neither is defense a problem.
   They just don't do very well in the red zone and they don't know how
   to finish opponents off when they have them down. The good teams have
   that intangible "know how to win". We don't have that yet. We get teams
   down and then not only let them get back up often we help them get back
   up. When we learn how to put people away then we'll start racking up
   'W's.

Okay, I haven't seen the Pats play in the last few weeks so I wasn't
aware of their running improvements.

It sounds like Parcells has the team on the right track.  

I'd speculate that draft priorities would be a Rodney Hampton or Joe
Morris type running back, another good OL, some WR potential, more LBs
(Parcells like LBs).....


'Saw

 >> I'd speculate that draft priorities would be a Rodney Hampton or Joe
 >> Morris type running back, another good OL, some WR potential, more LBs
 >> (Parcells like LBs).....

    Try and pay attention, 'Saw. We don't need running backs. A back with
    break away speed would be nice but he's down on the list of priorities.
    In order of priority we need: a dominant defensive lineman, an outside
    linebacker, an inside linebacker, a speedy wide receiver, a center and a
    speedy running back.

�I'd speculate that draft priorities would be a Rodney Hampton or Joe
�Morris type running back, another good OL, some WR potential, more LBs
�(Parcells like LBs).....
    
    I hate to correct you twice in one day, but the Pats' main priority
    come draft day has to be a pass rusher and some more help at DB.  They
    are pretty well set at RB (the depth has more to do with Russell not
    having any 100 yard games as anything), the OL is young and stocked
    with first round draft choices.  An LB to groom as Tippett's
    replacement probably wouldn't be a bad idea as well as a little more
    depth at WR (I still can't believe they let Fryar go).

> I hate to correct you twice in one day

hah!

The Crazy Met

>    Try and pay attention, 'Saw. We don't need running backs. A back with
>    break away speed would be nice but he's down on the list of priorities.
>    In order of priority we need: a dominant defensive lineman, an outside
>    linebacker, an inside linebacker, a speedy wide receiver, a center and a
>    speedy running back.

Ah, but Tommy, you forget, I've lived through the Parcells era.  
I'm sure there's a few folks who can back me up on this (Jim McFall comes
to mind).

Parcells WILL take a running back.  (Well, in fairness to Parcells, it 
could have been George Young who insisted on all those RBs when we already
had a couple of good ones).  But I'll bet he does.

LBs are definitely a need and Parcells picks good ones....

'Saw

    
    On the other hand (and not to defend my friend 'Saw ;-), if Marshall
    Faulk is available to the Pats, I don't care what the priorities are,
    I'd jump all over him.  The guy can do it all, Heisman race fallout or
    not.  Unless someone can name a comparable impact player at one of
    those other positions (maybe there is one, I honestly don't know right
    now).  Regardless of how well he's performing right at the moment, I
    don't see Leonard Russell as such a valuable player in any serious
    championship bid that you wouldn't upgrade the position if a player
    like Faulk is available...
    
    glenn
    

>    I hate to correct you twice in one day, but the Pats' main priority
>    come draft day has to be a pass rusher and some more help at DB.  They

But you commit the error of thinking logically.

I don't know how much of the Giants draft philosophy was George Young and
how much Parcells, as I've heard conflicting stories on what was what,
but the Giants philosophy for years has been "take the best *athlete* 
available" regardless of position.

There were years when we needed DL but RBs got picked early, as they
were the best athletes available.   I'm saying don't be surprised if
that happens,...


'Saw

> There were years when we needed DL but RBs got picked early, as they
> were the best athletes available.   I'm saying don't be surprised if
> that happens,...

 I would and I wouldn't. If it's a guy as talent as Glenn pointed out then
 Parcells might take him but one of the biggest reasons that he left the
 Giants was because he had little control over the draft. Young and Boisture
 set up the board and that was that. Take a guy by his posistion on the 
 board reguardless of need. Seemed like every year there was a story about
 a player or two that Parcells wanted badly (Guyton and Meggett come to
 mind) that they didn't even want to draft..........

 My guess is that Bill will go for the best defensive player available
 reguardless of the posistion...

 mike

But on the other hand, I've heard Huge George Young say that Parcells had
a say in the draft.  (not that I fully believe anything George Young says
though)....


Be interesting to see what happens.....


'Saw

    Saw,
    
    I clearly unnerstood what ya meant way back there somewhere, just had
    to take the opportunity to bust MtM's hickeys.
    
    JaKe
    

>    to take the opportunity to bust MtM's hickeys.
    
If Mac has hickeys, and his wife didn't give them to him, then he'd
better stop worrying about ME breaking his Excuse-O-Meter, and start
worrying about breaking it hisself when he tells her WHERE he got
the hickeys.....


Whoo-eee!    

    Got them from his Rugby team, didn't he???
    
    JaKe
    

  >> On the other hand (and not to defend my friend 'Saw ;-), if Marshall
  >> Faulk is available to the Pats, I don't care what the priorities are,
  >> I'd jump all over him.  The guy can do it all, Heisman race fallout or
  >> not.  

     I assume that you're basing this on the Sunday Globe article because
     I don't think SDSU has been on national tv until this week. The guy 
     does sound like he can do it all and we don't have a back with his 
     speed. We have other priorities and myself I like Darren Krein from 
     Miami and Stokes from UCLA but I don't think anyone would pass on Faulks 
     if they had a shot at him.
         
    

    Biggest game fo the season for the STEELERS tonight.  They're favored
    by 3.
    
    Lessee, to win, the STEELRS have to neutralize Thurman Thomas, Andre
    Reed, and Jim Kelly, no sweat..........
    
    I gots the VCR set up to record it and after work, I sit down wif a
    cold one or two or 6, the remote, and turn it on, and see the game in
    about 1-1/2 hours.  Best part of that is I won't have to listen to the
    inane bullsh_t that the 3 brain-dead ones on ABC will be spewing
    forth(although, if it's a quiet night here, I may be able to see some
    of the game before going home.)
    
    Santa
    

    OK, so who is going to call Jake when the game is over and tell him the
    score before he can get home and watch the video tape?

    
    >>     <<< Note 32.415 by 16421::HEISER "dweller on the threshold" >>>
    >>                  -< gimme his #, I'll call collect >-
    
    1-800-UPYOURS.
    
    
    Santa
    

>    Biggest game fo the season for the STEELERS tonight.  

  So is there any news on Joel Steed and Gerald Williams ? Are they healthy 
  enough to play tonight ? They've been doing a great job of stoppin the run 
  all year. I'd hate to see the Black n Gold play their biggest game of the 
  year without em.

	Keith    

    
 >> So is there any news on Joel Steed and Gerald Williams ? Are they healthy 
 >> enough to play tonight ? They've been doing a great job of stoppin the run 
    
    Latest I heard was Steed is out, and Gerald Williams says he will play,
    that nothing will stop him from being in the starting line-up.  Past
    them, there's nothing but rookies ready to step in and , hopefully,
    heed the call.
    
    
    Santa_JaKe
    

    STEELERS first possession, 82 yds, 15 plays, capped off by Leroy
    Thompson's 9 yd TD(Foster suffered sprained ankle on first series),
    STEELERS 7-0.
    
    Santa_JaKe
    

    STEELERS take 2nd half kickoff and drive 70 yards, with a TD coming on
    a Neil O'Donnell to Eric Green pass.  STEELERS up 17-0.
    
    Kelly knocked out, almost literally, near thge end of the first half on
    a sack.  Left game with concussion, won't return.
    
    Foster ran for about 29 yds on the STEELERS opening drive, and had to
    leave with a sprained ankle, not to return in the game.
    
    JaKe
    

    *M*A*S*H* unit needed at 3 Rivers.  Andre Reed latest to leave game,
    gone fer x-rays.
    
    Cornelius Bennett crying to official, bigtime.
    
    JaKe
    

    Domination=
    
    thru 3 qtrs, with the score 20-0, STEELERS, 
    the time of possession is STEELERS 32 minutes, Bills 13 minutes.
    
    GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    AFC CENTRAL, suck the STEELERS DUST!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    the STEELERS beat the Bills, 23-0.
    
    It is only the second shutout that Marv Levy has suffered as coach of
    the bills.
    
    The STEELERS set a regular season attendance record in tonight's game.
    
    GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

	'Twas truely a beautiful show put on by the, now resurgant, Steel
	Curtain.  Not only did the heep Kelly on his heels, they shut 
	down "the greatest running back in football" Thurman Thomas.

	Eric Green continues to amaze me.  Imagine being a 190 lb safety
	with this guy rambling at you with a full head of steam.

	I watched this game at the Legion with the sound appropriatly
	turned down.  What was the prognosis on Foster?


	billl

      The sqeeler defense is a great unit this year.  Cower has done well. 
    The donks have their work cut out for next week...
    
      Tim

    I thought he was taping the game and didn't want to know what was going
    on?                                        

  I think John Elway better put on an extra set of pads for this Sunday's
  game against the Steelers. 

	Keith

    Walt, I were taping it, but couldn't resist the urge to listen to it
    during the game.
    
    Barry Foster is OUT for this week's game.  He was having an MRI on the
    ankle today.
    
    The surgeons who operated on LB Jerry Olsavsky's injured knee said the
    damage they found in there was not pretty.  The prognosis for complete
    recovery is not good.  Cowher, during his news conference today said
    that he talked to Jerry, and said that he thinks that if there's
    anybody who can come back from this kind of injury, it's Jerry O.
    
    Joel Steed will play this coming week abainst the Donks.
    
    Whatta game.  Think Don Beebe will remember the hit he took???
    
    Whatta defense, held the Bills to just over 160 yds with 51of it coming
    on one play.  49 rushing yds fer the bills.
    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    How about most of the Baffalo Bills whining and crying like spoilt kids
    lasted night????
    
    Wonder if they thought they was playing in the Super bowl to turn in a
    performance like that?????
    
    The Stat of time of possession, STEELERS 44:51, Bills 15:09 is the most
    lopsided I can ever remember.
    
    What got Cornholeus Bennett all pissed off?????  Myron Cope said he was
    accusing the STEELERS of "kick-boxing".  Dunno, I saw none of it on the
    tape, just a good old fashioned ass kicking, handed out by the
    STEELERS.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    BTW, I know Kevin Greene had on sack lasted night, and I think Kenny
    Davidson got the one that put Kelly into La-La land, but who had the
    third STEELER sack???
    
    I need it for the stats.
    
    JaKe
    

	I know it's tough to find anything negative about last night's
	game, especially wearing these "black and gold" glasses, but I'm
	still concerned with the number of yards given up by the special
	teams.  

	If I recall correctly, the Bills had something like 150 yards
	returning punts, which there weren't many of, and kickoffs,
	which there were six of.  I know it was a far cry from the 
	fiasco in Cleveland, but it is an area which I hope they get a 
	lot better at.


	billl

	JaKe, I don't remember who got the other Steeler sack.

	By the way, am I the only one who didn't recieve a "Steelers Digest"
	last week?  Or was there something about changing the issue date
	since they were playing Monday night?


	billl

    
    >>	If I recall correctly, the Bills had something like 150 yards
    >>	returning punts, which there weren't many of, and kickoffs,
    >>	which there were six of.  I know it was a far cry from the 
    >>	fiasco in Cleveland, but it is an area which I hope they get a 
    >>	lot better at.
    
    Wrongo, billly boy.  The Bills didn't return ANY of the STEELERS 4
    punts.  They DID have 98 yards on 5 kickoff returns, which is under 20
    yds each, which is not a problem.  Special teams gets an A- from me for
    last night, the only thing keeping them from getting a little higher
    grade is the inability to get Woodson open on punt returns.
    
    JaKe
    

Why doesn't Merrill Hodge get the ball more  when Foster is in the game? You
gotta be figureing most defenses key on Foster and Hodge broke several big runs
last night.

I keep  remembering the playoff game a few years back when he had a monster
game and wonder why he can't do it more often...

Metz who only watched part of the game last night...

    
>>Why doesn't Merrill Hodge get the ball more  when Foster is in the game? You
>>gotta be figureing most defenses key on Foster and Hodge broke several big runs
>>last night.
    
    Cause Merrill Hoge is the best blocking fullback the STEELERS have, and
    many of Foster's good runs he gets sprung on a block by Hoge.
    
    I agree with yer thinking, though.  He is a damned good back, and on
    his first runlast night, he got 24 yards, which was 3 less than his
    season total to that point.
    
    JaKe
    

    Found out who had the sacks, twas Greene, Evans and Davidson.
    
    JaKe
    

 Thanks, Jake. I was really on pins and needles there.

    
SCORING SUMMARY:
		1	2	3	4	T
Buffalo         0  	0  	0  	0 	0
STEELERS	7   	3 	10  	3	23

STEELERS--Thompson 9 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 37 yd FG
STEELERS--E.Green 1 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 19 yd FG
STEELERS--Anderson 31 yd FG

TEAM STATS:
Buffalo						STEELERS
9			1st downs		26
2-11			3rd Dn. Efficiency	10-18
157			Total Yds		400
14-47			Rushes-Yds		50-227
110			Net Passing yds		173
11-28-0			Compl-Att-int		16-27-0
3-24			Sacked-Yds lost		4-39
8-45.8			Punts			4-46.8
98			Return Yds		62
5-32			Penalties-Yds		5-55
1-1			Fumbles-Lost		0-0
15:09			time of Possession	44:51

INDIVIDUAL STATS:

RUSHING:
Buffalo--Thomas 13-40, Kelly 1-7.
STEELERS-Thompson 30-108, Hoge 10-64, Foster 5-23, Mills 1-19, Stone 2-8, 
	 Cuthbert 1-7, Tomczak 1-(-2)

PASSING: 
Buffalo--Kelly 7-19-0 93 yds no tds., Reich 4-9-0 41 yds, no tds.
STEELERS-O'Donnell 16-27-0, 212 yds 1 TD, no ints.

RECEIVING:
BUFFALO---Reed 4-72, Thomas 3-22, Beebe 2-33, Metzelaars 1-4, Davis 1-3.
STEELERS--E.Green 6-69, Graham 3-44, Stone 2-29, Mills 2-16, Thompson 2-16,
	  Cooper 1-38.

Sacks:
Buffalo:??????????

STEELERS--Davidson, K.Greene, Evans.


JaKe

    
>>        <<< Note 32.437 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>


>> Thanks, Jake. I was really on pins and needles there.
    
    Are you sure it wasn't the fack that I was using my Tommy Brydie VooDoo
    doll a few minutes ago??????
    
    JaKe
    

    
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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      27      61       10     38       136
STEELERS       38      74       56     47       215

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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
126                     1st Downs               178
34-108                  3rd down efficiency     54-126
31.5%			3rd down eff %		42.9%
2038                    Net Yards               3100
226.4			Net yds/Game		344.4
596                     Rush Yds                1306
66.2			Rush Yds/Gm		145.1
1445                    Passing Yds             1782
160.6			Pass Yds/Gm		198
147-272-15              Compl-Att-Int           156-264-6
24-150                  Sacked-Yds Lost         18-143
46-371                  Penalties-Yds           47-446
21-8                    Fumbles-Lost            13-9
25:29                   Time of Possession      34:31

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      177	711 	4.0	8
Thompson       72	316	4.4	1
Stone 		9	101    11.2	1
Hoge 	       22	 95	4.3	0
O'Donnell      13	 38	2.9	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0                    
Mills		3	  8     2.7	0
Cuthbert	1	  7	7.0	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	4	 -6    -1.5	0

------------------------------------------
Total         312      1303     4.18    10

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      149	249	 4     1813 	12.16	   59.8		9
Tomczak 	 7	 15	 2 	112  	16.0	   46.7		1
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       156      264      6     1925     12.34      59.1         10

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       30	       508	       16.9		3
Stone 	       24	       350	       14.6		2
Graham	       18	       237	       13.2		0        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1        
Mills	       14	       188	       13.4		1 
Thompson       16	       107	        6.7		0        
Hoge	       11	       105	        9.5		1 
Cooper		4		88	       22.0		0 
Thigpen		5		57	       11.4		2 
Davenport	3		42	       14.0		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       18	23	0		77
Foster			0	0	9		54
Stone			0	0	3		18
E.Green			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	2		12
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
Hoge			0	0	1		 6
Thompson		0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1
D.J.Johnson	1

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SACKS:
Greene		6.5
Evans		4.5
Lloyd		3
Woodson		2
C.Brown		2
Steed		1.5
Davidson	1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1  


JaKe             

  Metz, the answer to your question sits in the booth, Ron Airhead...

  Merrill Hoge = Mo Carthon  Foster = Morris and Green = Bavaro.....

  He won a couple of superbowls with it he ain't going to change now...

  The FB will never be featured, just a mild surprise every now and then...

 mike

  Well, last week, Don Beebe of the Bills, said that if he played the 
  Steelers every week, he'd end up with over 200 TDs. Beebe didn't have a good
  day on Monday.

  This week, Bronco wide receiver, Derek Russell, was quoted in the papers
  as saying that Rod Woodsen is "lucky". "He's a good cornerback but he's
  mostly lucky". Woodsen's response was "What's his number ?". At least one
  of the other Bronco receivers knows what reality is. Shannon Sharpe was
  quoted as saying that Woodsen is the "best cornerback in football"

  Should be a good game on Sunday. The Bronco's are always tough to beat in 
  Mile High and their backs are against the wall after last weeks narrow loss.
  I might even go to Pile it High and see if I can get a scalpers ticket.

	Keith

    Re. Derek Russell on Woodson.
    
    He claimed Woodson is lucky and is just always in the right place at
    the right time thru luck.  Is this Russell guy brain daid or what. 
    Isn't being in the right place at the right time what Woodson's PAID TO
    DO?????
    
    ANd Woodson's response of only saying, "What's his number?", IMHO, was
    classic.
    
    Wouldn't want to be Derek Russell on Sunday.
    
    JaKe
    

    Claybone,
    
    To accept the p_name you'll be wearing after the STEELERSmake the DOnks
    bleed all over Piled-high Sunday, just acknowledge it here or in 30.*.
    
    JaKe
    

JaKe,

You might wanna go a little easy on the wagering. I just picked up Neil
O'Donnell for my FFL. You knon he aint gonna score any more.

TTom

    
    	If the Steelers somehow manage to win, done!  You'll be sportin'	
    	a doozy if they lose! 
    	
    	We hhave a deal then.....
    
    Claybone

    Dont bet too soon.. Foster is sitting this one out.  He's more
    important to pittsburg then Emmitt is too Dallas.  Foster has
    as many TD's as the rest of the offense combined.... 1/2 there
    offense from 1 man, plus his running sets up most FG... I hope
    they can pick up the slack, they seem to have capable Receivers
    maybe they'll have an air attack this week... (Need denver to lose
    so the jets will climb up another nothch in there playoff run).
    
    								Mab

    I can't wait to see what JaKe's p_name is going to be after the 
    massacre the Steelers underwent against the Donks.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    ps small consolation, but Bernice had a pretty poor game against
    Atlanta.
    

    
    Re .448
    
    Actually, Kosar wasn't that bad against Dallas.  Not great, by any
    stretch, but 22/39, 186 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT isn't too bad.
    
    Joe

OUEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!


Snort, Snort, Snort...

Take it like a main.

Can you say dominated, embarassed, flat chested. 

HA, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ......

	It's hard to belive, well for me at least, that a team can "totally"
	dominate a team like Buffalo on Monday, then be completely embarrassed
	by the likes of the Broncos six days later.

	Thompson, who filled in for Foster against Buffalo, had a great 
	game against the Bills.  Against Denver he has a nightmarish day.
	"Butter fingers" is an understatment.

	I sure hope the 11/15 Steelers show up next Sunday, not the 11/21
	ones.


	billl

    
    >>	It's hard to belive, well for me at least, that a team can "totally"
    >>	dominate a team like Buffalo on Monday, then be completely embarrassed
    >>	by the likes of the Broncos six days later.
    
    I don't find it that unbelievable.  They played with extreme emotion
    lasted week, and were bound to suffer some kind of let down, but to get
    kicked out of the place is an embarrasment.
    
    Nexted week .vs. the Oilscum should be the REAL STEELERS.  The game
    will mean a helluva lot more than yesterday's ass kickin' did.
    
    JaKe
    

  The Steelers have lost all 3 games that they have played on real grass.
  When they play on the carpet, they're 6-1.

  The Bronc's looked good yesterday. I hope the Steeler's recover for an even
  bigger game this coming Sunday in Houston.

	Keith

    Bingo Keith.
    
    The Donks looked REAL good yesterday, and it was Mr. Teef's day in the
    sun.  He was about as "ON" as he'll ever, or has ever, been.  The Donks
    probably would've beaten ANYONE yesterday.
    
    Santa_JaKe
    

    
    	That p-name sure looks good on you Jake.  You should make
    	it permanent......
    
    Claybone

    re ast 2
    
    I made my bet, lost, and now must pay the supreme price.
    
    (8^(
    
    JaKe
    

                       DEN              Pitts
First downs            23               19
Total Yards            364              349
Rushing Yards          107              101
Attempts               34               22
Passing Yards          257              248
Passes (C-A-I)         18-25-0          23-38-1
SACKED                 2                4
FUMBLES (lost)         1 (0)            4 (2)            


SCORE                  37               13

              

      Wow, The stats are closer than the game.  I didn't think Pitt had
    over 250 yards.
    
      Denver ran the ball well compared to what I thought they would do.
    
      Tim

    The killer for the STEELERS in this game was teh turnovers.  I think
    the Donks scored off of every turnover.
    
    Other thatn that, as Tim said, the game was close stats wise.
    
    JaKe
    

The Squeeelers has 264 yards in the second half battling back from a 20-0 
deficit 81 yards were in the final drive with the scrubs playing. 

mathmatically for you that's 

349 total minus 264 in the second half equals 85 first half offense Peeeuuuuu. 

264 second half yards minus 81 scrubs yards equals 183 sesond half panic yards. 


Face it Jake the Squeelers got it worse than Ned Beatty in Deliverence 

    Nah, Jeff, Ol Ned got it worse, the STEELERS weren't doing any
    squeeling.  Plus, it looked like they sorta deserved it, and was all
    greased up from the start, at least Leroy Thompson was greased up, the
    way he dropped a perfect pass from O'donnell on the firsted play of the
    game for the STEELERS, then proceeded to fumble 3 more times over the
    course of the game.  That, plus Woodson's fumble, and O'Donnell's
    interception spelled the need for ROLAIDS for the flight back to the
    burgh.
    
    JaKe
    

    Only person that p_name would look better on is Mike Childs.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

SCORING SUMMARY:

		1	2	3	4	T
Pittsburgh      0  	0  	6  	7	13
Denver         10 	10 	14  	3	37

Denver--Elam 48 yd FG
Denver--Delpino 1 yd run(Elam PAT)
Denver--Russell recovered fumble in end zone(Elam PAT)
Denver--Elam 27 yd FG
STEELERS--Anderson 37 yd FG
Denver--Delpino 1 yd run(Elam PAT)
Denver--Johnson 13 yd pass from Elway(Elam PAT)
STEELERS--Anderson 38 yd FG
Denver--Elam 28 yd FG
STEELERS--Thigpen 39 yd pass from Tomczak(Anderson PAT)
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TEAM STATISTICS:

STEELERS					Denver
19			1st Downs		23
5-12			3rd Down Efficiency	5-11
349			Total Net Yds		364
22-101			Rushes-Yds		34-107
248			Net Passing Yds		257
23-38-1			Compl-Att-int		18-25-0
4-30			Sacked-Yds lost		2-19
3-50.7			Punts			3-49.3
6-63			Penalties		3-22
4-2			Fumbles-Lost		1-0
27:49			Time of Possession	32:11

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:

RUSHING:
STEELERS--Thompson 17-77, Hoge 3-17, O'Donnell 2-7.
Denver----Bernstine 18-55, Delpino 10-41, Elway 2-8, Rivers 1-3, Milburn 2-1
	  Maddox 1-(-1).

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'Donnell 18-32 1 Int, 0 TD's, 197 yds, Tomczak 5-6 0Int's, 1 TD.
Denver----Elway 18-25 0 Int, 1 TD 276 yds.

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--E.Green 7-99, Mills 3-35, Hoge 3-0, Thigpen 2-57, Stone 2-48,
	  Thompson 2-5, Jorden 1-12, Graham 1-10, Davenport 1-9, Cuthbert 1-3.
Denver----Johnson 5-63, Russell 4-82, Sharpe 4-80, Milburn 2-17, Johnson 1-31, 
	  Delpino 1-2, Bernstine 1-1.

JaKe

    The one bright spot in the loss to the Donks Sunday:
    
    
    
    Eric Green 7 catches, 99 yds.  The guy continues to kill defenses.
    
    JaKe
    

    When is foster do to come back ???
    
    tony
    

    Foster is listed as doubtful for Sunday, but a decision will be held
    off until just before gametime Sunday night.
    
    JaKe
    

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      37      71       24     41       173
STEELERS       38      74       62     54       228

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
149                     1st Downs               197
39-119                  3rd down efficiency     59-138
32.8%			3rd down eff %		42.8%
2402                    Net Yards               3449
240.2			Net yds/Game		344.9
703                     Rush Yds                1407
70.3			Rush Yds/Gm		140.7
1702                    Passing Yds             2030
170.2			Pass Yds/Gm		203
165-297-15              Compl-Att-Int           179-302-7
26-169                  Sacked-Yds Lost         22-173
49-393                  Penalties-Yds           53-509
22-8                    Fumbles-Lost            17-11
26:09                   Time of Possession      33:51

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      177	711 	4.0	8
Thompson       89	393	4.4	1
Hoge 	       25	112	4.5	0
Stone 		9	101    11.2	1
O'Donnell      15	 45	3.0	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0                    
Mills		3	  8     2.7	0
Cuthbert	1	  7	7.0	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	4	 -6    -1.5	0

------------------------------------------
Total         334      1404     4.20   10

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      167	281	 5     2010 	12.03	   59.4		9
Tomczak 	12	 21	 2 	193  	16.08	   57.1		2
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       179      302      7     2203     12.31      59.3         11

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.

RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       37	       607	       16.4		3
Stone 	       26	       398	       15.3		2
Graham	       19	       247	       13.0		0        
Mills	       17	       223	       13.1		1        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1 
Thigpen		7	       114	       16.3		3 
Thompson       18	       112	        6.2		0        
Hoge	       14	       105	        7.5		1 
Cooper		4		88	       22.0		0
Davenport	4		51	       12.8		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
Jorden		1		12	       12.0		0
Cuthbert	1		 3		3.0		0

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       20	24	0		84
Foster			0	0	9		54
Stone			0	0	3		18
E.Green			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	3		18
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
Hoge			0	0	1		 6
Thompson		0	0	1		 6

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1
D.J.Johnson	1

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SACKS:
Greene		7.5
Evans		4.5
Lloyd		3
Woodson		2
C.Brown		2
Steed		1.5
Davidson	1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1
Lake		1  


JaKe             

    Eric Green has set a new STEELERS yardage record for tight ends in a
    season, breaking the old record of 603 yards.  He has 607 yards thru 10
    games.
    
    JaKe
    

    Is that rushing, passing, or both?

�    Is that rushing, passing, or both?
    
    Since when does a tight end rush?

    
    
�    Is that rushing, passing, or both?
    
>>    Since when does a tight end rush?
    
    
    	Yabbut thisted is for DiNz
    
    Since when does a tight rush end?
    
    I remain,
    a bit too tight today
    Kev
    

    He rushes on the TE option and also after catching a pass.

�                             -< glad to help, Mac >-
�
�    He rushes on the TE option and also after catching a pass.
    
    You're as much help here as you are in the trivia note.  I can't
    remember the last time I've seen a TE option run and yards after
    catching a pass are called receiving yards.

	One need only take a look at Eric Greene, Mike, and realize he is
	not built for the End-around play that I think you are referring to.
	I can't believe you were serious about the "after reception" yards
	being rushing yards.....were you?


	billl

�	I can't believe you were serious about the "after reception" yards
�	being rushing yards.....were you?
    
    Sure you can, billll.  Just look in the Trivia topic and at Mike's
    definition for Arizona atheletes.

    No, every idjit knows those are passing yards, even if he is rushing to
    pile them up.

    Mike, is everything OK out west?  You seem to be falling into a habit
    of asking silly questions you already know the answers to.

    Mac, now that's a silly question.  Everyone says I know nothing and
    make everything up.

	I'd like to blame it on some of those REAL questionable calls in the
	HomerDome, but the truth is the Steelers got out played. 

	23-3...Ouch

	Thank God Dr 00:00 isn't in here.  He'd fill up a disk in a hurry.



	billl

	I hope Cowher made the receiving corps of the Steelers ride in a
	Cessna for the ride back to the 'burgh.  These guys couldn't catch
	a cold last night.

	The only "good" thing to come out of last night was that it sets the
	tone for when these two teams play at Three Rivers.  I hope the
	defense squishes Moon into the turk!

	Who'd a thunk it...the Steelers a game behind the Oilers!  Yuck!!!


	billl

Bill,

Something to make you feel better:



	The Browns.....



hth,
'Saw

    JaKe watch, Day 1...

	Duh...do the words "Second Shift" mean anything to ya, Mac.

	If'n he don't show within the next two hours, somebody get over to
	the Westinghouse Bridge pronto.


	billl

�	Duh...do the words "Second Shift" mean anything to ya, Mac.
    
    About as much as business trip/vacation mean to folks in here.  We know
    JaKe's got a terminal at home.

>    
>    About as much as business trip/vacation mean to folks in here.  We know
>    JaKe's got a terminal at home.
>


Yabbut we also know that he can only log in from home:

	a) when Mrs. Jake is out
	b) when Mrs. Jake lets him


My guess is she's got him working on some project or something!


'Saw

    
>>Yabbut we also know that he can only log in from home:

>>	a) when Mrs. Jake is out
>>	b) when Mrs. Jake lets him

    Everybody's gotta be a freakin' smart ass, huh????     (8^)
    
    MAC, Do me.  I gots a laptop, sure, but I'm also doing Santa_JaKe and
    this morning, got up with the obligatory "Steelers played lasted night
    and I got plastered along with them" hangover, downed some coffee, and
    went to play Ho-Ho.
    
    Busy freakin' day at the mall, too.  239 twerp.....er.....kids in 4
    hours, then home fer a quick shower and off to work.
    
    Passed by the Westinghouse Bridge, sure looked tempting, but came in
    here anyways.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    RE billl
    
    I, too, thought there were a few "non-calls" against the Oilscum
    secondary, where they was tugging on the STEELERS receivers arm,
    slowing them down, and they didn't make the catch, which could've been
    called pass interference, or at least defensive holding.  Lord knows
    they called interference on the STEELERS enuf.
    
    The defense played good in the first half, good pass rush, only gave up
    10 points, kept the STEELERS in the game.  Then, they musta had some
    Thanksgiving Turkey during halftime cause they came out flat for the
    second half.  No pressure on Moon, and he picked them apart.
    
    The STEELERS will have to win the division to make the playoffs, cause
    there are too many teams in the other divisions that are going to suck
    up the wild card spots.  And the STEELERS don't have an easy schedule
    from here on, either.
    
    JaKe
    

    Easy there, JaKe, or we'll send you to the whiny sore loser topic.

  No wonder there's three rivers in Pittsburgh. You cry about Bobby Bonilla,
 you cry about Barry Bonds, you cry about the reffing when the Steelers get
 whupped. Whoever wrote 'Cry Me A River' must have been from Pittsburgh.

    Those po' Pittsburgher kids.
    
    Havin' to go sit on hungover Santa_Jake's lap...
    Did any kid have the cojones to axe Santa fer a_WarrenMoon_autographed
    football??
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    Nah, they were outplayed, but I just thought ?I should point those
    "non-calls" out.  The way the offense played, they probably woulda
    given the ball a way anyways shortly thereafter.
    
    Hell, the only way they could get into field goal range was by GETTING
    a pass interference call.
    
    They sucked.  Tomczak sucked, the offensive line was truly offensive,
    the secondary did their impression of a sieve for the second straight
    game, and the STEELERS are mimmicking the Saints too much.
    
    JaKe
    

Did anybody see the Oiler that ripped Tomscak's helmet off his haid then 
put him in a headlock and proceeded to give about 3-4 uppercuts before both
benches cleared later in the game ?

Then the camera focused in on this player and he was trash talking to MOM.


Scum like that should be fined and suspended. He should a hugged Tomscak for 
throwing his umteenth interception. 

Jeff 

	What's the word in the 'burgh on O'Donnell?  I'm not sure Tomzack
	can even beat the hapless Pats this weekend.


	billl

O'Donnell claims he's gonna play. However, the line makers arent' that
sure and the Steelers-New England game is off the board.

But then again, they'll probably win even with Tomzack, at least they
should be the favorite.

TTom

    Word here is that O'Donnell WILL play.
    
    BIggest problem the other day for the STEELERS receivers was their
    inability to hold onto the ball.  O'DOnnell was hitting them perfectly,
    but they just couldn't or wouldn't hang onto the ball.  7 drops by the
    receivers, 6 of which when O'DOnnell was at the helm.
    
    O'Donnell was 13-26, shoulda been 19-26, and the drops made a big
    difference in the game, that's fer sure.
    
    JaKe
    

	My guess is that the Steeler receiving corps is getting the "LeonLett"
	treatment at practice.  That is if the donkey cart the receivers rode 
	in from Houston has pulled into the 'burgh yet.


	billl

SCORING SUMMARY:
                
                1       2       3       4       T
STEELERS        0       3       0       0       3
Houston         0       10      10      3       23

Houston--Del Greco 43 yd FG
STEELERS-Anderson 42 yd FG
Houston--Brown 3 yd run(Del Greco PAT)
Houston--Jeffires 66 yd pass from Moon(Del Greco PAT)
Houston--Del Greco 21 yd FG
Houston--Del Greco 28 yd FG

TEAM STATS:
STEELERS                                        Houston
18                      1st Downs               20
3-13                    3rd Dn Efficiency       3-12
234                     Total Net Yds           391
17-65                   Rushes-Yds              30-125
169                     Net Passing Yds         266
21-39-2                 Compl-Att-Int           21-34-1
6-45                    Sacked-Yds Lost         3-29
6-45                    Punts                   5-49
12-88                   Penalties-Yds           12-134
2-2                     Fumbles-Lost            2-0
27:50                   Time of Possession      32:10

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
STEELERS--L.Thompson 15-31, O'Donnell 1-27, Hoge 1-7.
HOUSTON---G.Brown 19-79, Tillman 1-34, Moon 10-12.

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'Donnell 13-26 0 int 153 yds, Tomczak 8-13 2 ints 61 yds.
HOUSTON---Moon 21-34 1 int 1 TD 295 yds

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--Graham 8-102, E.Mills 6-86, E.Green 3-15, Hoge 1-5, Cooper 1-3,
          Stone 1-3, L.Thompson 1-0.
Houston---Jeffires 7-139, Givins 5-86, Duncan 4-22, Slaughter 3-38, 
          G.Brown 2-10.

SACKS:
STEELERS--Lake 2, Evans 1.
Houston---Fuller 4, S.Jones 1, Childress 1.

INTERCEPTIONS:
STEELERS--D.J.Johnson 1
Houston---McDowell, Dishman.

JaKe

	re p-name:

	MIL from Hell is soon to appear on my doorstep.  I'm thinking about
	putting a cot up in here.


	billl

   >  MIL from Hell is soon to appear on my doorstep. 
    
    HMMM, my MIL didn't say anything about traveling back east...

    
    
    Yabbut I really got Carol good with this line;
    
    "Yeah but at least your MIL is better than *MY* MIL!!!!!:
    
    
    ;^)
    
    I still have the bruises to show for it too!
    
    I remain,
    kinda liking my MIL actually....
    Kev
    

    Finally, able to get rid of that gawd awful p_name I had to have from
    ANOTHER losing bet.
    
    Neil O'Donnell WILL play on Sunday .vs. the Patsies.
    
    Foster is listed as "questionable".
    
    What is also questionable, according to COwher and others at the
    STEELERS offices, is Foster's willingness to play hurt.  Foster has
    said that he WILL NOT return until he is 100%, period.
    
    JaKe
    
    
    

	I have some mixed feelings towards this, if in fact it's true.
	
	As a fan who wants the Steelers to win at all costs, I'm disappointed
	with Foster.  The team really needs him.  
	
	But, I can kinda understand why someone would not want to risk 
	agrivating an injury by playing on it before it is 100%.  Then 
	again that's why he's making the big buck$


	billl

�    Finally, able to get rid of that gawd awful p_name I had to have from
�    ANOTHER losing bet.
    
    Better be careful, JaKe.  You might surpass TC* in p-name bets lost.

�	But, I can kinda understand why someone would not want to risk 
�	agrivating an injury by playing on it before it is 100%.  Then 
�	again that's why he's making the big buck$
    
    Yeah, so he can hear the fans and media bitch and moan about him coming
    back too early if he does reinjure himself.

	re .507:

	Yeah speaking of "no-win-situations"...it would appear that no fan 
	can mention any player in here on any level without having to endure
	the "Rath-of-Mac".


	billl

�	Yeah speaking of "no-win-situations"...it would appear that no fan 
�	can mention any player in here on any level without having to endure
�	the "Rath-of-Mac".
    
    You forgot the W in Rath.
    
    Besides, you're generallizing.  You didn't see me getting on Tommy's
    case over the Barkley stuff or on Walt over the KJ stuff.

	Mac (you spelling wizard), turn the record over.  This side is all 	
	worn out.


	billl

    
    	Aw Jake, that p-name looked right purty on you.  You should
    	keep it on for a while longer.
    
    Claybone

    Do me, Clayboner.
    
    Now, If only I could find a sucker fer this week whence the STEELERS
    are going to kick the Patsies into the river.
    
    I needs to win a p_name bet to get back above .500 in bets.
    
    Any Patsies fan out there with the gonads??
    
    JaKe
    

    Oh, wimpy kinda bet, eh, Slasher.  I never deal in pernts.
    
    JaKe
    

    	First RaKe says the Steelers are going to maul and maim the
    Patrtios, then won't give the Vegas line.  HAHAHAHAHA�  Hey RaKe, I
    never make stoopid bets.  Be a main and back up your claims or take it
    to the Phil&Ophrah file!
                  
    				/Don

    
    /Don,
    
    	When Jake and I bet for p-name supremacy, there was no points
    	involved.  Straight up, mano e mano!  Be a main Roachy!
    
    Claybone

    /er, a REAL main would take the bet straight up, no pernts, but a
    regular whinig wimp would cry for points, which are you???
    
    
    JaKe
    

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      37      81       34     44       196
STEELERS       38      77       62     54       231

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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
169                     1st Downs               215
42-131                  3rd down efficiency     62-151
32.1%			3rd down eff %		41.1%
2793                    Net Yards               3683
253.9			Net yds/Game		334.8
828                     Rush Yds                1472
75.3			Rush Yds/Gm		133.9
1968                    Passing Yds             2199
178.9			Pass Yds/Gm		199.9
186-331-16              Compl-Att-Int           200-341-9
29-198                  Sacked-Yds Lost         28-218
61-527                  Penalties-Yds           65-597
24-8                    Fumbles-Lost            19-13
26:42                   Time of Possession      33:18

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      177	711 	4.0	8
Thompson      104	424	4.1	1
Hoge 	       26	119	4.6	0
Stone 		9	101    11.2	1
O'Donnell      16	 72	4.5	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0                    
Mills		3	  8     2.7	0
Cuthbert	1	  7	7.0	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	4	 -6    -1.5	0

------------------------------------------
Total         351      1469     4.19   10

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      180	307	 5     2163 	12.02	   58.6		9
Tomczak 	20	 34	 4 	254  	12.70	   58.8		2
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total	       200      341      9     2417     12.09      58.7         11

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.

RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       40	       622	       15.6		3
Stone 	       27	       401	       14.9		2
Graham	       27	       349	       12.9		0        
Mills	       23	       309	       13.4		1        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1 
Thigpen		7	       114	       16.3		3 
Thompson       19	       112	        5.9		0        
Hoge	       15	       110	        7.3		1 
Cooper		5		91	       18.2		0
Davenport	4		51	       12.8		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
Jorden		1		12	       12.0		0
Cuthbert	1		 3		3.0		0

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       21	24	0		87
Foster			0	0	9		54
Stone			0	0	3		18
E.Green			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	3		18
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
Hoge			0	0	1		 6
Thompson		0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           3
Lake            2
D.J.Johnson	2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1

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SACKS:
Greene		7.5
Evans		5.5
Lloyd		3
Lake		3
Woodson		2
C.Brown		2
Steed		1.5
Davidson	1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1  


JaKe             

    Well they need at least 9-7 to make the playoffs. A loss at NE could
    put that out of reach.  The intrestig thing is there only 1 game
    behind Houston so if they beat NE (A should be Gimme) they then have
    Mia and Hou both are winable games and Houston has to finish up with
    SF and NYJ.  Pittsburg is one win away from the division, the houston
    game is huge, but I hope there not looking ahead.  Maimi even withoug
    Marino has been looking pretty good.
    								mab

    Without winning the division, the STEELERS won't make the playoffs,
    with the Jests having a lucky year, and the AFC West having a contendah
    or two.  No wild card will come from the AFC Central.
    
    JaKe
    

    re: .518
    
    JaKe,
    
    that question is much too easy to answer.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    You're welcome
    

	Not a pretty win, but a win none the less.  I wonder how much
	longer O'Donnell will be able to go with his arm obviously
	bothering him as much as it is.

	Classic Bill Parcells after Bledsoe through the interception
	in the endzone.  Camera goes to Parcells just in time to get
	his reaction.  Didn't have to be a lipreader to tell what he
	was saying.

	I thought going for it at the end of the game was the right 
	call for the Pats.  I only question the play selection. I'd 
	have given it to someone alot bigger than Bledsoe, like Russell.


	billl

    Man the pats juts keep getting robbed, I had the game on and was
    playing cards at the same time but was it me or everytime they went
    to a replay is was to show the pats getting robbed.  Both those
    Interceptions were incomplete passes.  I always thought if the ball
    touched the turf before you had control it was incomplete.  The
    russell call on the 3rd and goal, very close if the tids were turned
    and that was pittsburg doing the exact same play they would have 
    called it a TouchDown.  The pats almost played major spoilers and
    appeard to have outplayed Pittsburg.  5 Interceptions and they still
    could have won the game (Twice).  This was a gift from the Refs, from
    Bledsoe and from Parcells, why try a QB sneak, you either give it to
    Russell or roll out to Coates or cook... Bledsoe has a gun and can
    tread the ball thru the defense... Use the short passes to the tight
    ends and eat these teams alive.  Use the timing and bomb patterns and
    set yourself up for 5 interceptions... sorry bill dont yell at your QB
    try and learn his limitations, he is a rookie, he's not Joe Montana !!
    
    								mab

Nice holiday present to the STEELERS yesterday.  The Pats outplayed them for 
the most part, particularly on the lines.

I agree with Billl (and disagree with Bill) on the lasted play.  The Pats had
nothing to lose by going for the win.  On the last play the Pats had one of the 
big fullbacks lined up in an I formation, with Russell behind him, perfect 
formation to give it to Russell.  I suspect it was a bit of a chess game move - 
Parcells figured that everyone would look for a plunge by Russell, so he tried 
to catch them off guard with a sneak.

Now if it were 50 degrees colder, and the Pats had a guard named Kramer (and 
the game meant something)...

=Bob=

    re:. 526 - last line
    
    Pats still wouldn't have made it; I mean this is nt the Packers
    we're talking about.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    re .525


     Both of the two INTs that you refer to *should* have been
    ruled incomplete passes but the fact is that they were close 
    enough to go the other way. If you feel like you have to 
    place blame for this loss then place it where it belongs -
    squarely on Drew Bledsoe's shoulders. He's a rookie and it
    was painfully obvious yesterday. Bad decisions (especially the
    interception that he threw in the end zone), locking on to
    receivers, missing receivers, not even being able to handle 
    the snap. Just when I thought he'd made every mistake in the 
    book, he gets t-rex type arms on the qb sneak to end the game. 
    He hasn't led this team to a victory all year and I'm not sure 
    he will for the duration. Not if he keeps beating himself and
    this team.

    
    I thought the QB sneak was a good call.  The fullback plunge in that
    spot against a very tough defense specifically stacked up to stop it 
    is not an easy play, and requires some fair execution to succeed.  I
    had clear visions of the lumbering Russell getting stacked up in the
    backfield by a swarming Steeler defense before he could even get 
    moving, myself.  This is opposed to the sneak where to gain a half-yard 
    or less you usually need only a clean snap (don't say it) and just a 
    little bit of initial penetration.  It was there.  For some reason 
    Bledsoe was taking great care with the ball as if he had another down 
    to work with.  Which was rather strange because he hadn't exercised 
    any caution at all with the ball in the preceding 59+ minutes.
    
    The Steelers aren't anywhere near as good as I had believed just a
    month ago.  Barry Foster should hold out again for another doubling of
    his salary, because without him this team's offense is flat-out inept.
    
    glenn
     

�I only question the play selection. 
    
    Join the club.  Play selection after the first quarter was questionable
    the rest of the game.  Bledsoe was toasting the Steeler secondary in
    the first quarter, especially All-World CB Woodson.  The second quarter
    the Pats racked up less than 50 yards.  Pats' fans have seen the
    offense get stuffed up the middle on 3rd & short and 4th & short all
    season long after they've just ripped off 8 & 9 yard gains by running
    off and outside the tackles.  Isn't Ray Perkins, the O-coordinator, an
    ex-Giant coach too?
    
    It's amazing to think the Pats turned the ball over 6 times and still
    had a chance to win the game.

>    off and outside the tackles.  Isn't Ray Perkins, the O-coordinator, an
>    ex-Giant coach too?
    

Piss and moan, piss and moan.....


Actually, Perkins was an extremely unsuccessful Giants coach, who then
went to Alabama.  

Now, I'm a bit hazy on this, but I think he was the one who got a raw 
deal down there because he lost the Auburn game.  (Unless I'm thinking
of Bill Curry.....)

I'm not a big Perkins fan, mainly because he's more conservative even than
Ron Earhardt, who was pretty conservative.....


But piss and moan about ex-Giants coaches.  At least the Giants have in the
playoffs recently, and their Super Bowl rings don't say "2nd Place".....


'SAw

�But piss and moan about ex-Giants coaches.  At least the Giants have in the
�playoffs recently, and their Super Bowl rings don't say "2nd Place".....
    
    I certainly will when they are not living up to their Super Bowl
    winning hype and making boneheaded decisions.  Parcells, Belicheck,
    Handley, and Perkins certainly warrant criticism for their coaching.
    
    Interesting comments by the Football writer for the T&G.  He mentioned
    that Parcells is getting some Coach of the Year nominations for what
    he's done with the Pats so far.  How he's done so much with so little
    talent.  MacPherson won 6 games with an arguably a less talented bunch
    and he was run out of town.

    Pats and Bengals are both 1-11. Who would get
    the #1 pick? Has any team gotten the #1 pick 3 yearas
    i  a row??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    MacPherson won 6 games with an arguably a less talented bunch
>    and he was run out of town.
 
    Sure, Mac, but there's the small matter of winning only one game after
    the season that you won those 6, which is generally not the direction you
    want to see...
    
    glenn
                

	Okay RaKe, now I realize why you didn't want to make the bet.  
Despite puffing out your chest and claiming the Squeelers would take the 
Patriots apart and scatter the remains to the three rivers, you actually 
knew different.  You knew the Patriots would stand toe to toe with the 
Squeelers despite being hopelessly outmanned.  You knew they would stay in 
the game despite their quarterback throwing more bad passes than a nerd in 
a swinging singles bar.  You knew it would take an "Immaculate Reception" 
type of home call to save the Squeelers sorry butts.  You knew the 
Squeelers were not MAN enough to cover a 10 point spread.  I understand.

				/Don

>    I certainly will when they are not living up to their Super Bowl
>    winning hype and making boneheaded decisions.  Parcells, Belicheck,
>    Handley, and Perkins certainly warrant criticism for their coaching.

Compare the talent on those Super Bowl teams with the collection of
rag-tag individuals that Parcells inherited.

Take Handley out of the equation.  He was a Giants coach (and I and other
Giants fans use the terms extremely loosely) who coached the Giants
and he was never, in any stretch of the imagination, held up as an
example of a good coach.  Giants fans can piss and moan about him
all they want.  

Bellichick is not coaching the Pats either.  He's a bonehead -- he should
have hired an offenisve coordinator and now he's paying the price.

But as for the rest, I don't see what you're bitchin' about.  At least
you've got a chance to go somewhere now.   MacPherson sure as hell wasn't
going to get them there -- he ran a country club just like Handley did
for the Giants during his tenure...
    

>    Interesting comments by the Football writer for the T&G.  He mentioned
>    that Parcells is getting some Coach of the Year nominations for what
>    he's done with the Pats so far.  How he's done so much with so little
>    talent.  MacPherson won 6 games with an arguably a less talented bunch
>    and he was run out of town.

MacPherson didn't have it -- never will.... just like Handley.


'Saw

   " I certainly will when they are not living up to their Super Bowl
     winning hype and making boneheaded decisions.  Parcells, Belicheck,
     Handley, and Perkins certainly warrant criticism for their coaching."

      Saw, I like Parcells, too but Mac is correct in what he says. 
     Parcells deserves his fair share of criticism for some of the 
     decisions that have been made. Starting with hiring Perkins for
     offensive coordinator moving on to playing Secules over Zolak.
     And now even his drafting Bledsoe over Mirer isn't looking like
     such a great move given that Drew has won ZERO games as a pro
     and has looked pretty bad (dumb) doing it. Few Pats fans expected 
     to win right away but this giving the games away week after week
     is incredibly frustrating.

�Compare the talent on those Super Bowl teams with the collection of
�rag-tag individuals that Parcells inherited.
    
    So, are you saying it was the talent and not the coaching that got the
    Giants those 2 SB wins?
    
    FWIW, there are only 32 "inherited" players on the Patriot roster.  The
    rest of the bunch weren't here last year.

>    
>    So, are you saying it was the talent and not the coaching that got the
>    Giants those 2 SB wins?

C'mon Mac, you know better than that.  I won't even entertain a statement
so downright STOOOOPID.  I ought to make you write on the chalkboard
500 times - "I will use my brain, I will use my brain"  8^)
    

Give it time you guys.  You want results overnight from a squad that
had very little talent on it when he took over.   

Okay, I question Perkins too.  But I do know what Parcells did with the
Giants when he came on board.  

I guess I probably bitched and whined and pissed and moaned as much as
you did, in that first season when they went 3-12-1.  But within four
seasons after that they were the champs.  And have been contending ever
since, with the exception of TRBC's tenure.


You're in better shape now than you were under Country Club MacPherson....


'Saw

   " I certainly will when they are not living up to their Super Bowl
     winning hype and making boneheaded decisions.  Parcells, Belicheck,
     Handley, and Perkins certainly warrant criticism for their coaching."

      Saw, I like Parcells, too but Mac is correct in what he says. 
     Parcells deserves his fair share of criticism for some of the 
     decisions that have been made. Starting with hiring Perkins for
     offensive coordinator moving on to playing Secules over Zolak.
     And now even his drafting Bledsoe over Mirer isn't looking like
     such a great move given that Drew has won ZERO games as a pro
     and has looked pretty bad (read: dumb) doing it. On the plus side, 
     the defense is playing well but they played well last year,too. 
     The biggest improvement this year has probably been the o-line
     but that could be attributed to the return of Bruce Armstrong and
     another year of experience for Chung and Harlow, who knows. We ex-
     pected to have to suffer through a tough season, it's the so close
     yet so far away thing that's killin' me.

>     And now even his drafting Bledsoe over Mirer isn't looking like
>     such a great move given that Drew has won ZERO games as a pro
>     and has looked pretty bad (dumb) doing it.
    
    Hey, a bit of the early lustre has worn off Mirer, too.  On a better
    all-around team he's been chucking up the INTs with regularity; before
    this past game, at least, at a greater rate than Bledsoe.  To me, the
    kind of mistakes that Bledsoe is making right now count near zero in an
    overall evaluation of his ability.  They're expected, and as with the
    other decisions such as to dump Fryar which might be costing you games 
    right at present, who cares?  I am much more pleased with some of the 
    more spectacular things that Bledsoe has demonstrated that he is capable 
    of than disappointed by the mistakes made yesterday, when he was being 
    asked to throw on nearly every down with the Steelers' pass rush
    continuously in his face.  
    
    Obviously horrible games like yesterday can't continue in the future, 
    but there's no good reason to expect them to.  First-season performance 
    of true rookie QBs on lousy teams is a very poor predictor of future 
    performance (the exceptions like Dan Marino usually occur under
    different circumstances-- Marino joined the AFC champion, for example).  
    Hell, I'm happy that the guy is actually getting to play now and make 
    these mistakes right up front in his first season.  Meanwhile, he's 
    showing that he's not the weak-armed, immobile, high-percentage dump-off 
    artist like Marc Wilson, as some "draft expert" had him pegged as.  The 
    Marc Wilson-type on yesterday's field of play was Neil O'Donnell.  Give 
    me Bledsoe any day...     
    
    glenn
    

�Give it time you guys.  You want results overnight from a squad that
�had very little talent on it when he took over.   
    
    The squad of very little talent had 2 Rookies of the Year (one of who
    was traded and is I think out of football now), a Pro Bowl tightend
    (who is hardly used as a receiver under the Parcells regime), a #1
    draftpick at QB, several first round picks in the OL, a pro-bowler
    (coming off knee surgery) in the OL, and 2 LBs with Pro Bowl
    experience.  I think the lack of talent on this club is somewhat
    overstated.
    
�>    So, are you saying it was the talent and not the coaching that got the
�>    Giants those 2 SB wins?
�
�C'mon Mac, you know better than that.  I won't even entertain a statement
�so downright STOOOOPID.  I ought to make you write on the chalkboard
�500 times - "I will use my brain, I will use my brain"  8^)
    
    When I see a team that was supposed to be up and coming struggling at
    1-11 with a superstar coach, and a team that was supposed to be on the
    decline having a chance at the NFC East crown behind a Bronco reject
    for a head coach, the question just has to be asked.

>    When I see a team that was supposed to be up and coming struggling at
>    1-11 with a superstar coach, and a team that was supposed to be on the
>    decline having a chance at the NFC East crown behind a Bronco reject
>    for a head coach, the question just has to be asked.


Reeves isn't a bad coach -- he's just a coach who can't win the big one.
I hope that changes in New York, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

And as for how poor he was, look at the Broncos this year.  They aren't
doing too well.

In fact, most teams don't do well the first year under a new coach.  There
are exceptions, but it's not the rule....


'Saw

  >> Hey, a bit of the early lustre has worn off Mirer, too.  On a better
  >> all-around team he's been chucking up the INTs with regularity; before
  >> this past game, at least, at a greater rate than Bledsoe.  

     New England has one of the better o-lines in the league. Seattle has
     one of the worst. 

  >> I am much more pleased with some of the more spectacular things that 
  >> Bledsoe has demonstrated that he is capable of than disappointed by 
  >> the mistakes made yesterday, when he was being asked to throw on nearly 
  >> every down with the Steelers' pass rush continuously in his face.  
    
     I didn't see that much of a Steelers rush. In fact, I could be wrong 
     but I don't think that they had *one* sack. I don't think they really
     had very many pressures. The mistakes Bledsoe was making were things
     that kids learn in Pop Warner like that totally boneheaded INT in
     the end zone. What he thought he was going to do there, I have no idea.
     The kid does have a great arm but so do Elway and Jeff George and 
     a host of other guys that don't have Super Bowl rings. I realize that 
     QBs take on average about four years to come into their own but I'd 
     like to see some small degree of brain activity to go with that live 
     arm.

    Slasher....do me.....
    
    It's almost embarrassing to be a STEELER fan with the way the offense
    played yesterday.  It was dreadfully apparent that O'Donnell's bruised
    shoulder was hurting, and he couldn't get enough on the ball to throw a
    deep pass, even once in the game.  Everything was short out patterns,
    and dump off type swing passes, no deep passes at all, and the STEELERS
    radio announcers were crying all day for a deep pass, cause they was
    saying that Dwight Stone and Ernie Mills were open most of the game.
    
    O'Donnell's performance was dreadful....The only bright spot yesterday
    was the play of Merrill Hoge.
    
    I dread the thought of nexted Monday night's game against the fish,
    unless the STEELERS can pull their collective heads out of their butts
    and get things back in gear, tough thing fer them to do since it's in
    Miami and on grass.
    
    Oh Well......
    
    JaKe
    

    Try to remember that Bledsoe is still a year and a half younger than 
    Glen Foley and a whole host of other college quarterbacks I'm sure.
    
    					Steve

re: mirer vs. Bledsoe...

Mirere has been chucking the inty's lately and still hasn't shown the ability
to go deep. I realize that most rookies go with the dump off pass or the short
out instead of the bomb but with 2 very good recievers in Brian Blades and
Kelvin Martin the team still lacks the big play. 

Mirere also has a good running back with Chris Warren and a great blocking back
(esp  picking up the blitz) and dump off back in John L Williams. Couple that
with a huge Te target in Ferrell Edmunds and I still can't  figure  out why the
offense doesn't score....

Yes, Mirer has a sieve in front of him pass blocking but even when he has time
he hasn't put the long ball on the numbers....

Both Bledsoe and Mirer are throwing the stupid INT at almost every
opportunity...I hope Rick takes home yesterdays film of Montana and studies it
every night during the off season...Joe can make Willie Davis JJ Birden and a
host of other mediocre recievers look like all pros.

Remember Bledsoe missed a bunch of games this season.

I'd still take Bledsoe over Mirer because of the arm and the ability to throw
downfield...We'll see what happens next year. I'd take either of them over Jim
Harbaugh, Bubby Brister, Wade Wilson, Todd Philcox and the host of other
pretenders in the league  right now...

Only time will tell if they'll rise to the first tier of Marino, Montana,
Aikman status or settle amongst the Hebert, Testaverde, George category...

Metz

    Hey Mac, Tommy
    
    I thought this was the Steelers note :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

SCORING SUMMARY:
		1	2	3	4	T
Pats		14	0	0	0	14
STEELERS	0	17	0	0	17

Pats---Coates 3 yd pass from Bledsoe(Sisson PAT)
Pats---Russell 3 yd run(Sisson PAT)
STEELERS-Hoge 5 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS-Anderson 35 yd FG
STEELERS-Hoge 1 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)

TEAM STATS:

Pats						STEELERS
20			1st Downs		14
3-14			3rd Dn Efficiency	5-19
349			Total Net Yds		217
24-53			Rushes-Yds		32-125
296			Net Passing Yds		92
18-48-5			Compl-Att-Int		17-32-0
0-0			Sacked-Yds Lost		3-23
5-45			Punts			11-43
3-25			Penalties		10-72
25:58			Time of Possession	34:02

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
Pats--Russell 19-54, Bledsoe 5-(-1)
STEELERS--Thompson 22-82, Hoge 10-43.

PASSING:
Pats--Bledsoe 18-48 5 ints 1 td, 296 yds
STEELERS--O'Donnell 17-32 0 ints, 2 tds, 115 yds.

RECEIVING:
Pats--Timpson 4-97, Crittenden 3-69, Coates 3-33, Brisby 2-43, Croom 2-33, Gash
      2-14, Russell 1-4, Turner 1-3.
STEELERS--Hoge 8-51, Thompson 4-20, Mills 1-13, Stone 1-13, E.Green 1-7, Cooper
	  1-6, Graham 1-5.

INTERCEPTIONS:
STEELERS--G.Brown 2, Perry, Davidson, Lake.

JaKe

    Part of the PAts success yesterday against the STEELERS offensive
    offense was due to the fact that they appeared to realize, along with
    everyone else with access to seeing the game, that O'Donnell was unable
    to go deep, and stacked the line fo scrimmage with 7-8 men at a time,
    daring the STEELERS to try and run.  
    
    The STEELRS 11 punts were the most since at least 1969, which is when
    they started keeping such records.
    
    Gary Anderson's 35 yd FG yesterday moved him into 12th place on the
    alltime scoring list ahead of Chris Bahr, with 1214 points.
    
    Leroy Thompson's 36 yd run in the 2nd qtr was the longest of his
    career.
    
    JaKe
    

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      51      81       34     44       210
STEELERS       38      94       62     54       248

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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
189                     1st Downs               229
45-145                  3rd down efficiency     67-170
31.0%			3rd down eff %		39.4%
3142                    Net Yards               3900
261.8			Net yds/Game		325
881                     Rush Yds                1597
73.4			Rush Yds/Gm		133.1
2264                    Passing Yds             2291
188.7			Pass Yds/Gm		190.9
204-379-21              Compl-Att-Int           217-373-9
29-198                  Sacked-Yds Lost         31-241
64-552                  Penalties-Yds           75-669
28-9                    Fumbles-Lost            20-13
26:38                   Time of Possession      33:22

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      177	711 	4.0	8
Thompson      126	506	4.0	1
Hoge 	       36	162	4.5	0
Stone 		9	101    11.2	1
O'Donnell      16	 72	4.5	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0                    
Mills		3	  8     2.7	0
Cuthbert	1	  7	7.0	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	4	 -6    -1.5	0

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Total         383      1594     4.16   10

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      197	339	 5     2278 	11.56	   58.1		11
Tomczak 	20	 34	 4 	254  	12.70	   58.8		 2
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Total	       217      373      9     2532     11.67      58.2         13

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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       41	       629	       15.3		3
Stone 	       28	       414	       14.8		2
Graham	       28	       354	       12.6		0        
Mills	       24	       322	       13.4		1        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1        
Hoge	       23	       161	        7.0		3 
Thompson       23	       132	        5.7		0 
Thigpen		7	       114	       16.3		3
Cooper		6		97	       16.2		0
Davenport	4		51	       12.8		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
Jorden		1		12	       12.0		0
Cuthbert	1		 3		3.0		0

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       22	26	0		92
Foster			0	0	9		54
Stone			0	0	3		18
E.Green			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	3		18
Hoge			0	0	3		18
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6
Thompson		0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	7
Perry           4
Lake            3
D.J.Johnson	2
G.Brown		2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1
Davidson	1

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SACKS:
Greene		7.5
Evans		5.5
Lloyd		3
Lake		3
Woodson		2
C.Brown		2
Steed		1.5
Davidson	1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1  


JaKe             

Word on the FAN is that O'Donnell is hurting far more than he's letting
on, and that it's really damaging the team's ability to go deep.

Who's the backup QB?  I fergit....


'Saw

	backup QB is Tomzack.  He had a terrible outing the last game that 
	O'Donnell missed.  These injuries couldn't be happening at a more
	inoppurtune time.  (As if there is a good time for them!)

	What's the latest scuttle on Foster in the 'burgh?


	billl

    Foster is still ?????able.  Walking on the ankle is fine, jogging is
    fine, but he cain't run hard on it, or cut on it yet.
    
    JaKe
    

Jake,

	For the past 4 games the Pats have been putting 7/8 men on the line
forcing teams to pass. The Pats couldn't stop the run early in the season,
thus going to the 7 man fronts. So they didn't go to the 7 man front, because
O'Donnel couldn't throw the ball 20 yrds. Besides the interceptions, the Pats
loss this game because they couldn't run the ball. The pats had 24 carries
for 53 yrds, a measly 2.1 yrds per carry, pitiful. The lack of 3rd down
conversions hurt both teams also. Oh, well that's 8 games lost by a total
of 26 points, 2 lost in the 4th quarter, and 1 smoke job in New York.

Ron

    Actually the Pats did fairly well in the 3rd down conversion business. 
    Certainly much better than Pittsburgh -- but that ain't saying much.

    
    >>          <<< Note 32.556 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

    >>Actually the Pats did fairly well in the 3rd down conversion business. 
    >>Certainly much better than Pittsburgh -- but that ain't saying much.
    
    What game you looking at MAC?????
    
    Pats was 3 of 14 on 3rd down conv(21%)
    
    STEELERS was 5-19 on 3rd down(26%)
    
    Now, both stunk, but to say the Pats did better ain't quite true, is it
    now???
    
    JaKe
    

    Was that all?  It seemed like they were doing better than that.  Maybe
    because they were actually moving the ball downfield when they weren't
    turning it over.

    
    >>									Maybe
    >>because they were actually moving the ball downfield when they weren't
    turning it over.                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Guess that leaves out 99.935% of the second half, don't it???
    
    JaKe
    

    I'll bet you weren't this cocky with 17 seconds left in the game, JaKe.

    Wif 17 seconds left in the game, I was uncorking the tequila bottle to
    either
    
    		1). Celebrate the STEELERS playing an absolutely horrible
    game and winning
    
    or
    
    		2). Try and drown out the fact that they played an
    absolutely horrible game and LOST and therefore about killed any chance
    at post season games this year.
    
    AND, by the way, in seeing the replay about 22 zillion times, I thought
    BLedsoe got over, although the camera angle wasn't directly on the
    line.
    
    JaKe
    

        From the angle they showed on NBC, which I thought was right on
        the line, his helmet was the only thing that broke the plane.
        Like Tommy said, I think, his T-rex arms are the only reason
        the ball never broke the plane.

        I said it before...not a pretty win by any stretch of the imagination,
        but a win none the less.


        billl

    Foster practiced today for the first time since injuring the ankle
    against Baffalo.
    
    Time will tell.......
    
    JaKe
    

    End of 1 qtr:
    
    Fish 	3
    Steelers	0
    
    Twas all Fish in the 1st, two long drives, one ending in a FG, the
    other ending in a missed FG.  Steelers went 3 and out on first
    possession, and the qtr ended with the Steelers having their second
    possession of the game.
    
    JaKe
    

    I stunk in the pool this week.

    At the half, 
    
    Steelers	7
    Fish	6
    
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    End of 3 qtrs:
    
    
    Steelers 	14
    Fish	 6
    
    
    JaKe
    

    The Steelers mishandled O.J. McDuffy oin punt coverage and almost blew
    a 21-6 lead.  They also mishandled the clock after stopping Miami on
    4th down, leaving too much time where Miami would get the ball back
    with enuf time to get into field goal position, but Rod Woodson picked
    off a DeBerg pass with 10 seconds left to ice the Steeler win at 21-20.
    
    Next week's game against the Houscum Oilslicks is now very important. 
    If the Oilscum win, they win the AFC Central and the STEELERS have to
    vie fer a wild card slot.  If the STEELERS win, they go into a tie for
    first in the division, an sty in the running for the division title,
    although if the season ends in a tie with Houston fer teh division, the
    Oilscum will win the tiebreakers because of a better divisional record.
    
    JaKe
    

    The STEELERS have petitioned the league to allow them to play ONLY
    Monday night games nexted year, citing their 3-0 record on Monday
    nights this year, and the fact that they have won their last 4 Monday
    night games.
    
    It was only the 5th time a team has won all three appearances on MNF
    in one year, the other teams to do it were Miami, Oakland, and San
    Francisco(twice).
    
    Schnorttt Schittt Schleppps
    
    JaKe
    

SCORING SUMMARY

		1	2	3	4	T
STEELERS        0  	7  	7  	7	21
Miami           3  	3  	0 	14	20

Miami--Stoyanovich 31 yd FG
STEELERS--Thompson 1 yd run(Anderson PAT)
Miami--Stoyanovich 22 yd FG
STEELERS--Thompson 3 yd run(Anderson PAT)
STEELERS--Hoge 2 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
Miami--Jackson 3 yd pass from DeBerg(Stoyanovich PAT)
Miami--McDuffie 72 yd punt return(Stoyanovich PAT)
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STEELERS       						Miami
19			1st Downs			21
7-15			3rd Down Efficiency		9-15
265			Net yards			348
38-120			Rushes-Yds			17-49
145			Net Passing Yds			299
16-28-0			Compl-Att-Int			27-44-2
2-18			Sacked-Yds Lost			5-45
7-45.4			Punts				3-37.3
6-56			Penalties			2-3
0-0			Fumbles-Lost			3-1
32:47			Time of Possession		27:13

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
STEELERS--Thompson 28-81, Hoge 6-21, Stone 1-12, O'Donnell 3-6.
Miami-----Kirby 13-45, Byars 4-4.

PASSING:
STEELERS--O'Donnell 16-28 0 ints, 1 TD 163 yards.
Miami-----DeBerg 27-44 2 ints, 1 TD 344 yards.

RECEIVING:
STEELERS--Stone 5-33, Thompson 4-61, E.Green 3-37, Hoge 3-20, Mills 1-12.
Miami-----Kirby 7-107, Fryar 5-84, Byars 5-57, Jackson 3-42, Ingram 3-32,
	  McDuffie 2-18, Martin 1-4, Higgs 1-0.

INTERCEPTIONS:
STEELERS--Lake, Woodson.
Miami-----None.

SACKS:
STEELERS--Lloyd 2, C.Brown 1, Lake 1, Henry 1.
Miami-----Cox 1, Klingbell 1.


JaKe

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                1       2       3       4       T
Opponents      54      84       34     58       230
STEELERS       38     101       69     61       269

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TEAM STATS:
Opponents                                       STEELERS
210                     1st Downs               248
54-160                  3rd down efficiency     74-185
33.8%			3rd down eff %		40.0%
3490                    Net Yards               4165
268.5			Net yds/Game		320.4
930                     Rush Yds                1717
71.5			Rush Yds/Gm		132.1
2563                    Passing Yds             2436
197.2			Pass Yds/Gm		187.4
231-423-23              Compl-Att-Int           233-401-9
34-243                  Sacked-Yds Lost         33-259
66-555                  Penalties-Yds           81-725
31-10                   Fumbles-Lost            20-13
26:41                   Time of Possession      33:19

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INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
		Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Foster 	      177	711 	4.0	8
Thompson      154	587	3.8	3
Hoge 	       42	183	4.4	0
Stone 	       10	113    11.3	1
O'Donnell      19	 78	4.1	0
Worley	       10	 33	3.3	0                    
Mills		3	  8     2.7	0
Cuthbert	1	  7	7.0	0
Woodson		1	  0     0.0     0
Tomczak 	4	 -6    -1.5	0

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Total         421      1714     4.07   12

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PASSING:
		Compl	Att	Int	Yds	Yd/Compl   %Compl	Td
O'Donnell      213	367	 5     2441 	11.46	   58.0		12
Tomczak 	20	 34	 4 	254  	12.70	   58.8		 2
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Total	       233      401      9     2695     11.57      58.1         14

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RECEIVING:
		Rec		Yds		Yd/rec		TD       
Green	       44	       666	       15.1		3
Stone 	       33	       447	       13.5		2
Graham	       28	       354	       12.6		0        
Mills	       25	       334	       13.4		1        
Foster 	       27	       217		8.0		1 
Thompson       27	       193	        7.1		0        
Hoge	       26	       181	        7.0		4
Thigpen		7	       114	       16.3		3
Cooper		6		97	       16.2		0
Davenport	4		51	       12.8		0 
Worley		3		13	        4.7		0 
Hastings  	1		12	       12.0		0 
Jorden		1		12	       12.0		0
Cuthbert	1		 3		3.0		0

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SCORING:
			FG	PAT	TD		TOT
Anderson	       22	29	0		95
Foster			0	0	9		54
Hoge			0	0	4		24
Stone			0	0	3		18
E.Green			0	0	3		18
Thigpen			0	0	3		18
Thompson		0	0	3		18
Mills			0	0	1		 6
K.Davidson		0	0	1		 6
Kirkland		0	0	1		 6
Woodson			0	0	1		 6

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INTERCEPTIONS:
Woodson 	8
Perry           4
Lake            4
D.J.Johnson	2
G.Brown		2
K.Henry		1
Figures		1
Davidson	1

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SACKS:
Greene		7.5
Evans		5.5
Lloyd		5
Lake		4
C.Brown		3
Woodson		2
Steed		1.5
Davidson	1.5
Kirkland	1
G.Williams	1
Henry		1  


JaKe             

    As the week rolls on, it's becoming apparent that the chances of Barry
    Foster playing this Sunday are remote.  
    
    Probablry woulda been better off to break the ankle instead of sprain
    it.
    
    JaKe
    

    REport that was passed on to me tonight is that Barry Foster is done
    for the season, has a torn tendon or ligament in the injured ankle and
    will undergo surgery soon.
    
    JaKe
    

    STEELERS blow chances for the playoffs, now have hard road to travel to
    make it as a wild card team.
    
    Congrats to the Freakin' Oilscum fer finally nwinning a division title.
    
    JaKe
    

      Dem slicks are for real,  or so it seams...

thank you Oilers.

The Crazy Met

    Well the stealers are not out of it yet, but without foster how far
    can they possible go.  They have to sub par teams in Seattle and
    Cleveland (not low low teams but not playoff teams either).  They
    could easily (very easily) win them both finishing at 10-6 on the
    season.  This could put them in a fight with Miami, Den and la for
    WC spots in the afc, Miami can still finish 11-5 but Raiders could
    still be in trouble, they have Green Bay and Denver and need 1 win
    for any shot (2 wins and there in there).  I think KC needs 1 more
    win to clinch the AFC West ?
    
    NYJ still in it mathmatically but wont go into details (there gonnas
    for sure :-( )
    
    								mab

    Sick one heard at a Christmas Party Sat. night follows <FF>
    
    
    What's the similarity between the Houston Oilers Offense and the Oiler
    Defense???????
    
    Both Use the shotgun!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

what are the permutations for the AFC playoffs?

Bills probably win the East
Oilers win the Central
KC leading the West

Denver and Miami leading for the wildcard.

what about the last wildcard spot??

The Crazy Met

SCORING SUMMARY:
       		1	2	3	4	T
Houston		14	6	3	3	26
STEELERS	0	3	7	7	17

Houston--G.Brown 38 yd pass from Moon(DelGreco PAT)
Houston--Orlando 38 yd interception return(DelGreco PAT)
Houston--DelGreco 34 yd FG
Houston--DelGreco 22 yd FG
STEELERS-Anderson 26 yd FG
Houston--DelGreco 33 yd FG
STEELERS-E.Green 36 yd pass from O'Donnell(Anderson PAT)
Houston--DelGreco 21 yd FG
STEELERS-Hoge 5 yd run(Anderson PAT)

Team Stats:
Houston							STEELERS
20			1st Downs			21
2-12			3rd Down Efficiency		6-20
383			Total Net Yds			385
25-117			Rushes-Yds			18-38
266			Net Passing Yds			347
19-38-0			Compl-Att-Int			24-57-2
1-2			Sacked-Yds Lost			6-53
4-46			Punts				7-40
6-62			Penalties			5-32
2-2			Fumbles-Lost			3-1
30:50			Time of Possession		29:10

INDIVIDUAL STATS:
RUSHING:
HOUSTON--G.BROWN 20-100, MOON 5-17.
STEELERS-Thompson 13-19, Stone 1-11, Hoge 2-5, Tomczak 1-2, O'Donnell 1-1.

PASSING:
Houston--Moon 19-38 0 int, 1 td, 268 yds.
STEELERS-O'Donnell 15-37 1 int, 256 yds, 1 td...Tomczak 9-20 1 int 144 yds.

RECEIVING:
Houston--Givens 5-71, G.Brown 4-80, Wellman 4-59, Duncan 3-27, Jeffires 2-10,
	 Slaughter 1-21.
STEELERS-Graham 7-192, E.Green 6-92, Thompson 3-14, Mills 2-39, Hastings 2-32,
	 Hoge 2-25, Cooper 2-6.

SACKS:
Houston--S.Jones 2, Childress 1, Marshall 1, Montgomery 1, Fuller 1.
STEELERS-Lake 1.

INTERCEPTIONS:
Houston--Orlando 2.
STEELERS-None

JaKe

    I look forward to the Christmas day game when the 49ers offense will
    dissect the Oilscum's defense with surgical precision.
    
    JaKe