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| 11.1 | Broons swoon | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCG Product Management | Tue Jan 12 1993 12:41 | 3 |
| Izzit baseball season yet?
Mark.
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| 11.2 | | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-3/C19 297-4531 | Tue Jan 12 1993 12:57 | 9 |
| Anyone catch the highlights of the Rangers-Canucks game last night?
Seems that during overtime, a fan threw a puck onto the ice, and
into the net just as the Canuck goalie was making a save with the
"real" puck. The goal judge was fooled, and play was halted.
The game ended in a 3-3 tie.
Mike
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| 11.3 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Another NEW Boston Garden gone | Tue Jan 12 1993 13:01 | 4 |
| The game must've been in Vancouver, 'cuz astute New York fans
would never do anything like that...
/Don
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| 11.4 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Jan 12 1993 13:02 | 2 |
| Reggie Lemelin of the Boston Bruins has retired. He was the oldest
goaltender in the NHL.
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| 11.6 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCG Product Management | Tue Jan 12 1993 13:04 | 7 |
| Jd, I went to the Broons / Rangers game at the faux Garden in NY a
couple of weeks back. Great place to watch a game, the outcome
notwithstanding.
Very impressed.
Mark.
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| 11.7 | He throws! He scores! Ejection at 11 | CTHQ::LEARY | Why George why? Because it's there! | Tue Jan 12 1993 13:13 | 1 |
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| 11.8 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Junk Note Free Zone | Tue Jan 12 1993 13:25 | 10 |
| Mark -
The Real Garden, not the Faux Train Station Rat Infested One, is a great
place to watch Hockey, Hoops, the Circus, Track and field, you name
it.
I haven't been to a Rangers game at the Garden in years, but I used to
enjoy it immensely.
JD
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| 11.9 | re.2 | ROYALT::ASHE | It's big, heavy, it's wood... | Tue Jan 12 1993 18:30 | 2 |
| Is TCM on the road thised week?
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| 11.10 | Love Jake's p-name | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Tue Jan 12 1993 22:02 | 5 |
| Was on site and working late hours Monday and Tuesday. Got home in time
to miss the late SportsCenter on Monday.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.11 | Mario diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCG Product Management | Tue Jan 12 1993 22:19 | 11 |
| It was reported on the NESN Broons telecast that Mario Lemieux has been
diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease. The wire report says that he'll miss
4-6 weeks of action and that it is not career or life threatening.
The report added that 90% of cases diagnosed this early are curable.
Press conference in Pittsburgh tomorrow. Keepin' my fingers crossed.
Mark.
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| 11.12 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Squeelers = Loser Girly Mons | Tue Jan 12 1993 22:21 | 10 |
| Same thing is in note 33.3.
The press conference has been scheduled for Friday morning at 9am.
They feel that they have found it early enuf that it won't hamper
Lemieux's career, but if he doesn't respond to the treatment, it can be
potentially fatal.
JaKe
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| 11.13 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Tue Jan 12 1993 23:39 | 7 |
| That is really sad news. ESPN said that the only place they found
Hodgkins is in the node they removed, apparently it did not spread.
However, he will be out about 6 weeks undergoing treatment (radiation I
think).
The Crazy Met
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| 11.14 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Squeelers = Loser Girly Mons | Wed Jan 13 1993 00:03 | 16 |
| It is indeed radiation treatments he will receive for the nexted 4
weeks.
My thought was will he be able to regain his strength in the 2 weeks
after the treatments stop so he'll be able to play???
I had an uncle go thru radiation treatment and it knocked him on his
a$$, zapping all of his strength, cept fer his muscles which help him
puke.
Either that or these may be low level radiation treatment.
(8^(*
JaKe
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| 11.16 | Juneau and Wesley haven't even reached their prime | KALI::MORGAN | Low-End NaC | Wed Jan 13 1993 09:56 | 1 |
| Color my shades black & gold, but no I would definitely not do it...
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| 11.17 | | ROYALT::ASHE | It's big, heavy, it's wood... | Wed Jan 13 1993 12:13 | 2 |
| If you could afford Hull, I would...
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| 11.18 | Main can that Darren Kimble play hokey!!!11 | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Another NEW Boston Garden gone | Wed Jan 13 1993 12:42 | 1 |
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| 11.19 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 10:14 | 9 |
| No, I wouldn't do it.
If you did, yeah, you'd have Hull and Oates probably paired together again,
but I think that you lose more than you gain.
Juneau is definitely the wave of the future, and has a ton more goals left
in him.... Wesley is an extremely solid defensemen.
Nope, wouldn't do it....
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| 11.20 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 1-900-822-NOTY | Thu Jan 14 1993 12:24 | 4 |
| Hey I heard that Lindros is out for Saturday's game against
DaBroons�. Anybody out there hear this too?
/Don_Who_Only_Took_The_Game_To_See_Lindros
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| 11.21 | Lindros on the shelve for 3-4 weeks | DEMING::WEST | | Thu Jan 14 1993 12:27 | 5 |
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YEP...Don thats right, he gone 3-4 weeks again...I picked up tickets
to see him also....but I'm still going, its a night out....
westy.....
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| 11.22 | | MKFSA::LONG | "just keep it between the lines" | Thu Jan 14 1993 12:32 | 4 |
| Yeah /er I read it, too. It seems that he reinjured a shoulder, I think.
Bill
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| 11.23 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 12:53 | 4 |
| > Yeah /er I read it, too. It seems that he reinjured a shoulder, I think.
>
Lindros :== Brian Bosworth of the NHL?
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| 11.24 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 12:54 | 1 |
| Any word on how McKim of the Broons is doing with his busted jaw?
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| 11.25 | | 2408::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Jan 14 1993 13:38 | 7 |
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It's his knee, and his daddy is mad cuz he thinks that Flyer mgmt
rushed him back to soon. Ya right.
Makim's jaw is still broken. 8*)
-TH
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| 11.26 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Junk Note Free Zone | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:03 | 6 |
| IMO< you make that deal for Hull in a heart beat. Players like him only
come along every so often. Caint believe folks are saying 'no'.
Main.
JD
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| 11.27 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:11 | 14 |
| >IMO< you make that deal for Hull in a heart beat. Players like him only
>come along every so often. Caint believe folks are saying 'no'.
Yeah, but it is what you'd have to give up.
Wesley is as solid as they come, and from what I've seen he seems to
keep his haid in pressure situations.
Juneau is gonna be superb with another season or two under yer belt.
How old is Hull? (I truly don't know)....
'Saw
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| 11.28 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:14 | 10 |
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> How old is Hull? (I truly don't know)....
This is the key. If he's at or around 30, it probably doesn't make
sense. I don't think adding Hull with the loss of two solid players
will win the Bruins the Stanley Cup in the short term...
glenn
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| 11.29 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:18 | 10 |
| > This is the key. If he's at or around 30, it probably doesn't make
> sense. I don't think adding Hull with the loss of two solid players
> will win the Bruins the Stanley Cup in the short term...
I wanna say 27, but I could be way off....
'Saw
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| 11.30 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | 1-900-822-NOTY | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:30 | 4 |
| Hull has got to be close to 30. He kicked around in the Calgary
organization and came over to the Blues in the '88 season.
/Don
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| 11.31 | 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Jan 14 1993 14:50 | 7 |
| McKim is progressing, 'Saw
He's up to three vegetable puree cocktails a day.
HTH
MikeL
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| 11.32 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Junk Note Free Zone | Thu Jan 14 1993 15:20 | 6 |
| How long ago was Hull in college? Doesn't seem to long.
And of course, Juneau could turn into a bum after he actually plays a
few years...
Jd
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| 11.33 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Thu Jan 14 1993 15:35 | 13 |
| >How long ago was Hull in college? Doesn't seem to long.
I don't know..
>And of course, Juneau could turn into a bum after he actually plays a
>few years...
Yeah, that's true, but right now he looks like a prospect. He played
himself nicely out of a little slump the other night with a hat trick....
'Saw
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| 11.34 | | ROYALT::ASHE | It's big, heavy, it's wood... | Thu Jan 14 1993 15:38 | 2 |
| Not sure either. He played at Minnesota-Dultuth the same time Oates
was at RPI.
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| 11.35 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Jan 14 1993 16:04 | 4 |
| Juneau received rookie of the month honors at least once this season.
First Lemieux, now Lindros. Who will be next to duck the big, bad
Broons?
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| 11.36 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Fri Jan 15 1993 09:25 | 9 |
| > First Lemieux, now Lindros. Who will be next to duck the big, bad
> Broons?
Well, Barasso has got the chicken pox, and I guess the Pens missed him
last night, losing to the Broons 7-0.....
'Saw
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| 11.37 | The more I think about it, no way I'd do it... | KALI::MORGAN | Low-End NaC | Tue Jan 19 1993 08:10 | 28 |
| Getting back to the Hull for Juneau/Wesley deal. I can't believe some
would say they'd make the deal in a heartbeat! I shoulda grabbed one
of the kid's hockey cards to see exactly how old Hull is, but I do know
he's at least in his late 20s, while Juneau and Wesley are 24. Hull
has 59 points this year, Juneau has 58. Hull's +/- is -25, Juneau's is
+10 and Wesley's is +2. I know this isn't the end-all stat but, when
you're sitting at -25 something isn't going too well when you're out on
the ice.
I'm not of the opinion that Juneau is, or even could be a flash in the
pan. He's the real deal. I believe he has the record at RPI for
points scored, led the Canadien Olympic Team in points last year (ahead
of Lindros), and made a significant impact on the Bruins when he joined
them last year and certainly this one as well. He's also one of the
top 3 rookies this year. Ahead of Lindros in my opinion. He is also a
tough and durable player. He's taken hits that many players wouldn't
even get up from. I'm not talking about the stick or puck to the face
hits, I'm talking bone crushing checks, and the guy bounces right back.
Craig Janney he's not.
If the Bruins were to trade him, what would they do 2 years from now when
Adam Oates is on the downward slope of his career? Were the trade,
say, Wesley and Ruzicka or Wesley and Leach then I'd do it. Of course
St. Louis may not but that's their problem. Then again, if hockey had
REAL free agency, then maybe they'd be forced to take what they could get
as Hull nears the end of his contract.
Steve
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| 11.38 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Tue Jan 19 1993 09:27 | 10 |
| And to put things in perspective, according to The Turk anyway:
"It's pretty evident that Oates made Hull and not
the other way around...."
I still say no way to that trade....
'Saw
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| 11.39 | Rosie no way on Jo-aaaay | AD::HEATH | The jinx is broken, Sox '93 Champs | Tue Jan 19 1993 11:14 | 14 |
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How anybody would trade Juneau at this time is beyond me. He can
play both ends of the ice something that Hull can't or WON'T do.
I wouldn't trad Leach either He is one of the few guys that will go
out everynight and play it physical. Now Rosie, the man of no heart,
now that is an idea. I am not a big fan of Wesley, I think that one on
one he plays it better than just about anyone but when it gets a little
crowded it seems he gets confused and once in awhile kicks it in our
net. I know he is better than I give him credit for (I said I was no
fan) but I feel a trade that includes him and Rosie for Hull would be
a good one for the B's.
Jerry
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| 11.40 | | GOMETS::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy MRO4-3/C19 297-4531 | Tue Jan 19 1993 14:17 | 10 |
| Oates has a history of making people better. At RPI, during the
82/83 season, his linemate, George Servinis lead the nation in scoring.
In '84, he joined the Canadian Olympic team, and John Carter, former
Bruin, moved up to Oates' line, and lead the nation in scoring as well.
Oates is scoring more goals this year because he is playing with a
clone in Juneau. They are pass first types. Joe is faster, but Adam
shines in the corners.
Mike
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| 11.41 | | ROYALT::ASHE | It's big, heavy, it's wood... | Tue Jan 19 1993 15:43 | 5 |
| Juneau didn't break any scoring records that I know of at RPI. Oates
has some, but I don't think Juneau broke any.
Wings-Rangers tonight at Joe Louis. Won't be the same without Domi...
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| 11.42 | | KALI::MORGAN | Low-End NaC | Wed Jan 27 1993 07:44 | 5 |
| FYI, Brett Hull is 28 and will 29 in August, I believe.
B's blew another one. Moog tried to catch a 60 footer with his thumb.
Steve
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| 11.43 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Wed Jan 27 1993 08:41 | 10 |
| > B's blew another one. Moog tried to catch a 60 footer with his thumb.
OUCH.
I had the game on for a while, but my book was getting really interesting,
so rather than run up the electric bill while I was reading, I shut the
TV off....
'Saw
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| 11.44 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Video Poker - Parimutuel's Panacea | Wed Feb 03 1993 12:01 | 5 |
| With Buffalo picking up Fuhr the Broons� now have the worse
goaltending of the four Adams Division playoff teams. Not good.
Hope I get a first round game. 8^)
/Don
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| 11.45 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Video Poker - Parimutuel's Panacea | Mon Feb 08 1993 10:37 | 11 |
| If Saturday's "no hitter" is any indication of Mr Bettman's
vision of what the NHL can become, then I'll be abandoning my portion of
the season ticket consortium I'm in immediately! You have a better chance
of seeing physical contact at the "Beauty and the Beast" show that'll be
running in the Garden this week. Trying to eliminate fighting and high
sticking is commendable, but if the NHL believes that what transpired
Saturday is a valid marketing vehicle to showcase their product then they
are doomed cableland and ratings lower that juicer commercials. UGH! I
gave up when the score was 3-0.
/Don
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| 11.46 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Feb 10 1993 10:06 | 4 |
| Speaking of which, I saw an exerpt from an interview with a European
playing in the NHL. He said he likes the fighting because it keeps the
game cleaner. He claims that in Europe that is a lot of sneaky stick
work that goes unpunished because players can't retaliate.
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| 11.47 | Clean up Hokey! Bring back fighting! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Video Poker - Parimutuel's Panacea | Wed Feb 10 1993 15:25 | 1 |
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| 11.48 | | 2410::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Fri Feb 12 1993 12:10 | 8 |
| re.-2
Thats been known for years.. Germans, Swedes, Fins, Czechs, are all
known for thier Handy stickwork.
Give em a good beating from time to time, keeps em in line....
-TH
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| 11.49 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Feb 17 1993 16:14 | 1 |
| What's this I've been hearing about Ray Borque being tradebait?
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| 11.50 | | TWEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Wed Feb 17 1993 16:22 | 6 |
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Who would want his tired butt ? He gives the puck away more than your
average pond hockey defensman.
-TH
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| 11.51 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Wed Feb 17 1993 16:40 | 7 |
| Rumors from out of Noo Yawk. WFAN investigated and it was just rumors.
I'd take Borque any day over a lot of defensemen.... He can't be
any worse that Zalapski....
'Saw
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| 11.52 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | LifeLiberty&TheSwimsuitOfHappiness | Thu Feb 18 1993 13:21 | 5 |
| A couple of good set to's in the Broons� game last night. It
warmed the cockles of my heart to see hokey players balling their
fists in anger.
/Don
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| 11.53 | | ROYALT::ASHE | I missed the Billy Ray Cyrus special... | Thu Feb 18 1993 13:47 | 2 |
| How bout that Oates? Too bad he's too old to trade Janney and Quintal
to get him...
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| 11.54 | Hey Walt, so I was wrong, once. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | LifeLiberty&TheSwimsuitOfHappiness | Thu Feb 18 1993 13:52 | 1 |
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| 11.55 | | TWEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Feb 18 1993 15:00 | 15 |
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I think Bret Hughs went to the Mike Milbury school of fighting. He
Can't.
This team needs a real good toughguy, the ones that they have, well,
they get beat up to much.
Classic from the Turk last night, after the fighting he says:
"The NHL is trying to get rid of fighting, but they let it go on."
Huh?
-TH
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| 11.56 | Where's Stan Jonathan when you need him? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | LifeLiberty&TheSwimsuitOfHappiness | Thu Feb 18 1993 15:12 | 1 |
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| 11.57 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is THREE years old!!! | Thu Feb 18 1993 15:21 | 5 |
| � Classic from the Turk last night, after the fighting he says:
� "The NHL is trying to get rid of fighting, but they let it go on."
Derek Sanderson - the Scooter of hockey announcers...
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| 11.58 | | ROYALT::ASHE | I missed the Billy Ray Cyrus special... | Thu Feb 18 1993 15:56 | 1 |
| John Wensink!!!
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| 11.59 | ex | SKEWED::MCKAY | | Fri Feb 19 1993 11:31 | 2 |
| Ogie Oglethorpe!
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| 11.60 | Ah Slapshot, the Golden Age of hokey! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | MarkyMark&MargeSchott-KindredSpirits | Fri Feb 19 1993 11:37 | 1 |
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| 11.61 | | ROYALT::ASHE | I missed the Billy Ray Cyrus special... | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:21 | 4 |
| Eddie Shore, Dit Clapper, Toe Blake...
Dave Hanson is now GM of the Capital District Islanders...
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| 11.62 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:32 | 5 |
| Another hockey league is trying to form. They want to occupy a spot
between the AHL and the NHL. Rumor has it Worcester may get a team.
With the the Boston Garden battle is going, Worcester should just hold
out for the Bruins...
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| 11.63 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Know new Taxrifices | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:37 | 5 |
|
Phoenix will have a team in this league. Not sure what it'll do to the
'runners. Apparently, they will go heavy after Europeans.
brews
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| 11.64 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | MarkyMark&MargeSchott-KindredSpirits | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:37 | 3 |
| Hey BigMac will this be a mainly hokey league and allow fighting?
/Don
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| 11.65 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:45 | 3 |
| Sorry, /Don, the article didn't go into much detail over the rules and
stuff. They said they'd be offering higher salaries than the AHL, but
wouldn't be able to match NHL salaries.
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| 11.66 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:49 | 4 |
| Heard on WBZ this AM that the North Stars are moving to Dallas. Izzit
true?
Mark.
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| 11.67 | North Dallas Forty Stars? | GENRAL::WADE | IWon'tForgetToPutRosesOnYourGrave | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:51 | 1 |
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| 11.68 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Know new Taxrifices | Fri Feb 19 1993 12:59 | 2 |
| That big NoStars fain, MrT, must be in shock over losing his team
(twice now).
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| 11.69 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Searching for the little Dougie | Fri Feb 19 1993 13:11 | 5 |
| Its a possibility - however the Mavericks may stop it. Norman Green,
owner of the NoStars has rejected proposals from the Minny Target
Center and the St. Paul Civic Center.
JD
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| 11.70 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | MarkyMark&MargeSchott-KindredSpirits | Fri Feb 19 1993 14:09 | 6 |
| Who owns the Reunion Arena? If the Mavericks do they would
be crazy to turn down a steady tenant. If they don't I can see
where they would be afraid of any competition for the entertainment
(and I use the term tentatively when discussing the Mavericks) dollar.
/Don
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| 11.71 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Tue Feb 23 1993 16:19 | 654 |
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Note 13.0 NHLSTATS: Team Stats thru 2/21 No replies
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Division Standings
Patrick Division TOTAL HOME AWAY
TEAM W L T PTS GF GA W L T GF GA W L T GF GA
---------------------- -------------------- ---------------- ----------------
Pittsburgh Penguins 38 17 5 81 252 196 22 5 3 141 93 16 12 2 111 103
Washington Capitals 31 22 6 68 246 213 14 7 5 118 91 17 15 1 128 122
New Jersey Devils 28 25 5 61 208 207 17 11 2 109 95 11 14 3 99 112
New York Rangers 26 24 9 61 232 225 17 8 4 120 97 9 16 5 112 128
New York Islanders 27 26 6 60 243 213 15 13 2 135 105 12 13 4 108 108
Philadelphia Flyers 20 29 10 50 222 239 14 11 4 122 108 6 18 6 100 131
Adams Division TOTAL HOME AWAY
TEAM W L T PTS GF GA W L T GF GA W L T GF GA
---------------------- -------------------- ---------------- ----------------
Montreal Canadiens 37 19 6 80 251 203 23 8 2 138 94 14 11 4 113 109
Quebec Nordiques 33 18 9 75 247 214 16 11 2 119 111 17 7 7 128 103
Boston Bruins 32 22 6 70 240 212 18 7 2 112 82 14 15 4 128 130
Buffalo Sabres 30 22 7 67 254 206 21 6 2 153 97 9 16 5 101 109
Hartford Whalers 16 39 4 36 193 268 9 18 4 97 128 7 21 0 96 140
Ottawa Senators 7 50 4 18 142 288 7 21 4 78 122 0 29 0 64 166
Norris Division TOTAL HOME AWAY
TEAM W L T PTS GF GA W L T GF GA W L T GF GA
---------------------- -------------------- ---------------- ----------------
Chicago Blackhawks 34 20 8 76 216 171 20 7 4 124 79 14 13 4 92 92
Detroit Red Wings 33 21 8 74 264 205 19 11 3 142 103 14 10 5 122 102
Minnesota North Stars 30 23 8 68 213 206 14 12 6 116 107 16 11 2 97 99
Toronto Maple Leafs 29 22 9 67 203 181 18 10 5 116 91 11 12 4 87 90
St. Louis Blues 26 28 8 60 209 220 15 11 5 113 104 11 17 3 96 116
Tampa Bay Lightning 19 38 4 42 184 228 10 17 2 90 102 9 21 2 94 126
Smythe Division TOTAL HOME AWAY
TEAM W L T PTS GF GA W L T GF GA W L T GF GA
---------------------- -------------------- ---------------- ----------------
Vancouver Canucks 33 18 8 74 252 181 21 5 4 149 75 12 13 4 103 106
Calgary Flames 31 21 9 71 239 206 16 10 4 127 102 15 11 5 112 104
Los Angeles Kings 26 27 7 59 238 258 15 12 4 130 124 11 15 3 108 134
Winnipeg Jets 25 28 6 56 212 227 16 10 2 114 104 9 18 4 98 123
Edmonton Oilers 22 32 8 52 179 237 13 11 5 89 94 9 21 3 90 143
San Jose Sharks 8 50 2 18 164 299 5 24 1 98 145 3 26 1 66 154
Overall Records
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
-- --------------------- -- -- -- -- --- ----- --- --- --- ---- ----
1 Pittsburgh Penguins 60 38 17 5 81 .675 252 196 56 4.19 3.26
2 Montreal Canadiens 62 37 19 6 80 .645 251 203 48 4.04 3.27
3 Vancouver Canucks 59 33 18 8 74 .627 252 181 71 4.27 3.06
4 Quebec Nordiques 60 33 18 9 75 .625 247 214 33 4.11 3.56
5 Chicago Blackhawks 62 34 20 8 76 .613 216 171 45 3.48 2.75
6 Detroit Red Wings 62 33 21 8 74 .597 264 205 59 4.25 3.30
7 Boston Bruins 60 32 22 6 70 .583 240 212 28 4.00 3.53
8 Calgary Flames 61 31 21 9 71 .582 239 206 33 3.91 3.37
9 Washington Capitals 59 31 22 6 68 .576 246 213 33 4.16 3.61
10 Buffalo Sabres 59 30 22 7 67 .568 254 206 48 4.30 3.49
11 Toronto Maple Leafs 60 29 22 9 67 .558 203 181 22 3.38 3.01
12 Minnesota North Stars 61 30 23 8 68 .557 213 206 7 3.49 3.37
13 New Jersey Devils 58 28 25 5 61 .526 208 207 1 3.58 3.56
14 New York Rangers 59 26 24 9 61 .517 232 225 7 3.93 3.81
15 New York Islanders 59 27 26 6 60 .508 243 213 30 4.11 3.61
16 Los Angeles Kings 60 26 27 7 59 .492 238 258 -20 3.96 4.30
17 St. Louis Blues 62 26 28 8 60 .484 209 220 -11 3.37 3.54
18 Winnipeg Jets 59 25 28 6 56 .475 212 227 -15 3.59 3.84
19 Philadelphia Flyers 59 20 29 10 50 .424 222 239 -17 3.76 4.05
20 Edmonton Oilers 62 22 32 8 52 .419 179 237 -58 2.88 3.82
21 Tampa Bay Lightning 61 19 38 4 42 .344 184 228 -44 3.01 3.73
22 Hartford Whalers 59 16 39 4 36 .305 193 268 -75 3.27 4.54
23 San Jose Sharks 60 8 50 2 18 .150 164 299 -135 2.73 4.98
24 Ottawa Senators 61 7 50 4 18 .148 142 288 -146 2.32 4.72
Records in Home Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
-- --------------------- -- -- -- -- --- ----- --- --- --- ---- ----
1 Pittsburgh Penguins 30 22 5 3 47 .783 141 93 48 4.69 3.10
2 Vancouver Canucks 30 21 5 4 46 .767 149 75 74 4.96 2.50
3 Buffalo Sabres 29 21 6 2 44 .759 153 97 56 5.27 3.34
4 Montreal Canadiens 33 23 8 2 48 .727 138 94 44 4.18 2.84
5 Chicago Blackhawks 31 20 7 4 44 .710 124 79 45 4.00 2.54
6 Boston Bruins 27 18 7 2 38 .704 112 82 30 4.14 3.03
7 New York Rangers 29 17 8 4 38 .655 120 97 23 4.13 3.34
8 Washington Capitals 26 14 7 5 33 .635 118 91 27 4.53 3.50
9 Detroit Red Wings 33 19 11 3 41 .621 142 103 39 4.30 3.12
10 Toronto Maple Leafs 33 18 10 5 41 .621 116 91 25 3.51 2.75
11 Winnipeg Jets 28 16 10 2 34 .607 114 104 10 4.07 3.71
12 New Jersey Devils 30 17 11 2 36 .600 109 95 14 3.63 3.16
13 Calgary Flames 30 16 10 4 36 .600 127 102 25 4.23 3.40
14 Quebec Nordiques 29 16 11 2 34 .586 119 111 8 4.10 3.82
15 St. Louis Blues 31 15 11 5 35 .565 113 104 9 3.64 3.35
16 Philadelphia Flyers 29 14 11 4 32 .552 122 108 14 4.20 3.72
17 Los Angeles Kings 31 15 12 4 34 .548 130 124 6 4.19 4.00
18 Edmonton Oilers 29 13 11 5 31 .534 89 94 -5 3.06 3.24
19 New York Islanders 30 15 13 2 32 .533 135 105 30 4.50 3.50
20 Minnesota North Stars 32 14 12 6 34 .531 116 107 9 3.62 3.34
21 Tampa Bay Lightning 29 10 17 2 22 .379 90 102 -12 3.10 3.51
22 Hartford Whalers 31 9 18 4 22 .355 97 128 -31 3.12 4.12
23 Ottawa Senators 32 7 21 4 18 .281 78 122 -44 2.43 3.81
24 San Jose Sharks 30 5 24 1 11 .183 98 145 -47 3.26 4.83
Records in Away Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Quebec Nordiques 31 17 7 7 41 .661 128 103 25 4.12 3.32
2 Minnesota North Stars 29 16 11 2 34 .586 97 99 -2 3.34 3.41
3 Detroit Red Wings 29 14 10 5 33 .569 122 102 20 4.20 3.51
4 Pittsburgh Penguins 30 16 12 2 34 .567 111 103 8 3.70 3.43
5 Calgary Flames 31 15 11 5 35 .565 112 104 8 3.61 3.35
6 Montreal Canadiens 29 14 11 4 32 .552 113 109 4 3.89 3.75
7 Washington Capitals 33 17 15 1 35 .530 128 122 6 3.87 3.69
8 Chicago Blackhawks 31 14 13 4 32 .516 92 92 0 2.96 2.96
9 Boston Bruins 33 14 15 4 32 .485 128 130 -2 3.87 3.93
10 Vancouver Canucks 29 12 13 4 28 .483 103 106 -3 3.55 3.65
11 New York Islanders 29 12 13 4 28 .483 108 108 0 3.72 3.72
12 Toronto Maple Leafs 27 11 12 4 26 .481 87 90 -3 3.22 3.33
13 New Jersey Devils 28 11 14 3 25 .446 99 112 -13 3.53 4.00
14 Los Angeles Kings 29 11 15 3 25 .431 108 134 -26 3.72 4.62
15 St. Louis Blues 31 11 17 3 25 .403 96 116 -20 3.09 3.74
16 Buffalo Sabres 30 9 16 5 23 .383 101 109 -8 3.36 3.63
17 New York Rangers 30 9 16 5 23 .383 112 128 -16 3.73 4.26
18 Winnipeg Jets 31 9 18 4 22 .355 98 123 -25 3.16 3.96
19 Edmonton Oilers 33 9 21 3 21 .318 90 143 -53 2.72 4.33
20 Tampa Bay Lightning 32 9 21 2 20 .313 94 126 -32 2.93 3.93
21 Philadelphia Flyers 30 6 18 6 18 .300 100 131 -31 3.33 4.36
22 Hartford Whalers 28 7 21 0 14 .250 96 140 -44 3.42 5.00
23 San Jose Sharks 30 3 26 1 7 .117 66 154 -88 2.20 5.13
24 Ottawa Senators 29 0 29 0 0 .000 64 166 -102 2.20 5.72
Records in Games vs. Patrick Division
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Pittsburgh Penguins 24 16 6 2 34 .708 96 70 26 4.00 2.91
2 Quebec Nordiques 14 8 4 2 18 .643 61 49 12 4.35 3.50
3 Detroit Red Wings 9 5 3 1 11 .611 46 35 11 5.11 3.88
4 Minnesota North Stars 11 6 4 1 13 .591 37 32 5 3.36 2.90
5 Boston Bruins 18 9 6 3 21 .583 71 65 6 3.94 3.61
6 Montreal Canadiens 16 7 5 4 18 .563 57 59 -2 3.56 3.68
7 New York Islanders 26 14 11 1 29 .558 111 97 14 4.26 3.73
8 New Jersey Devils 25 12 12 1 25 .500 76 94 -18 3.04 3.76
9 Buffalo Sabres 18 7 8 3 17 .472 83 82 1 4.61 4.55
10 Calgary Flames 11 4 5 2 10 .455 40 41 -1 3.63 3.72
11 Winnipeg Jets 11 4 5 2 10 .455 40 43 -3 3.63 3.90
12 Washington Capitals 22 9 11 2 20 .455 84 82 2 3.81 3.72
13 Chicago Blackhawks 9 3 4 2 8 .444 33 31 2 3.66 3.44
14 Edmonton Oilers 9 3 4 2 8 .444 24 33 -9 2.66 3.66
15 Toronto Maple Leafs 8 3 4 1 7 .438 23 31 -8 2.87 3.87
16 New York Rangers 27 10 14 3 23 .426 99 105 -6 3.66 3.88
17 Los Angeles Kings 8 3 5 0 6 .375 26 50 -24 3.25 6.25
18 Vancouver Canucks 8 2 4 2 6 .375 23 30 -7 2.87 3.75
19 Philadelphia Flyers 24 7 14 3 17 .354 88 106 -18 3.66 4.41
20 Tampa Bay Lightning 10 3 6 1 7 .350 34 38 -4 3.40 3.80
21 St. Louis Blues 13 4 8 1 9 .346 47 56 -9 3.61 4.30
22 Hartford Whalers 12 2 9 1 5 .208 39 57 -18 3.25 4.75
23 Ottawa Senators 16 2 13 1 5 .156 41 86 -45 2.56 5.37
24 San Jose Sharks 5 0 5 0 0 .000 14 31 -17 2.80 6.20
Records in Games vs. Adams Division
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Chicago Blackhawks 7 6 1 0 12 .857 29 17 12 4.14 2.42
2 Vancouver Canucks 9 7 1 1 15 .833 41 22 19 4.55 2.44
3 Minnesota North Stars 8 6 1 1 13 .813 38 29 9 4.75 3.62
4 Pittsburgh Penguins 15 11 2 2 24 .800 71 47 24 4.73 3.13
5 Detroit Red Wings 9 6 3 0 12 .667 33 24 9 3.66 2.66
6 Washington Capitals 15 9 4 2 20 .667 63 50 13 4.19 3.33
7 Montreal Canadiens 24 16 8 0 32 .667 102 78 24 4.25 3.25
8 Buffalo Sabres 25 15 7 3 33 .660 110 64 46 4.40 2.56
9 Quebec Nordiques 24 14 7 3 31 .646 102 79 23 4.25 3.29
10 Toronto Maple Leafs 11 6 3 2 14 .636 43 31 12 3.90 2.81
11 Boston Bruins 22 13 8 1 27 .614 82 74 8 3.72 3.36
12 St. Louis Blues 10 5 4 1 11 .550 41 40 1 4.10 4.00
13 Los Angeles Kings 11 5 4 2 12 .545 51 47 4 4.63 4.27
14 New York Rangers 15 6 6 3 15 .500 66 67 -1 4.40 4.46
15 New Jersey Devils 18 8 8 2 18 .500 71 67 4 3.94 3.72
16 New York Islanders 14 5 6 3 13 .464 62 53 9 4.42 3.78
17 Calgary Flames 12 4 5 3 11 .458 43 45 -2 3.58 3.75
18 Edmonton Oilers 11 5 6 0 10 .455 36 41 -5 3.27 3.72
19 Philadelphia Flyers 17 6 9 2 14 .412 65 68 -3 3.82 4.00
20 Winnipeg Jets 10 3 6 1 7 .350 34 44 -10 3.40 4.40
21 Hartford Whalers 27 8 17 2 18 .333 83 119 -36 3.07 4.40
22 Tampa Bay Lightning 9 2 6 1 5 .278 23 31 -8 2.55 3.44
23 Ottawa Senators 26 3 22 1 7 .135 63 128 -65 2.42 4.92
24 San Jose Sharks 12 1 11 0 2 .083 39 62 -23 3.25 5.16
Records in Games vs. Norris Division
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Buffalo Sabres 6 4 1 1 9 .750 27 22 5 4.50 3.66
2 New Jersey Devils 8 5 2 1 11 .688 34 26 8 4.25 3.25
3 Washington Capitals 12 7 3 2 16 .667 52 42 10 4.33 3.50
4 New York Rangers 11 6 3 2 14 .636 40 34 6 3.63 3.09
5 Montreal Canadiens 8 5 3 0 10 .625 31 21 10 3.87 2.62
6 Chicago Blackhawks 26 15 9 2 32 .615 78 65 13 3.00 2.50
7 Calgary Flames 15 8 6 1 17 .567 50 51 -1 3.33 3.40
8 Los Angeles Kings 15 7 5 3 17 .567 67 60 7 4.46 4.00
9 Detroit Red Wings 28 14 11 3 31 .554 118 93 25 4.21 3.32
10 Toronto Maple Leafs 30 14 11 5 33 .550 99 88 11 3.30 2.93
11 Minnesota North Stars 25 12 10 3 27 .540 71 71 0 2.84 2.84
12 Winnipeg Jets 13 7 6 0 14 .538 48 44 4 3.69 3.38
13 Pittsburgh Penguins 11 5 5 1 11 .500 44 50 -6 4.00 4.54
14 Vancouver Canucks 16 6 7 3 15 .469 59 57 2 3.68 3.56
15 Edmonton Oilers 16 5 6 5 15 .469 39 57 -18 2.43 3.56
16 Quebec Nordiques 12 5 6 1 11 .458 45 51 -6 3.75 4.25
17 St. Louis Blues 26 9 12 5 23 .442 72 88 -16 2.76 3.38
18 New York Islanders 10 4 6 0 8 .400 29 34 -5 2.90 3.40
19 Boston Bruins 9 2 5 2 6 .333 28 35 -7 3.11 3.88
20 Philadelphia Flyers 8 2 5 1 5 .313 24 34 -10 3.00 4.25
21 Hartford Whalers 8 2 5 1 5 .313 23 33 -10 2.87 4.12
22 Tampa Bay Lightning 27 7 18 2 16 .296 77 110 -33 2.85 4.07
23 San Jose Sharks 17 1 15 1 3 .088 38 78 -40 2.23 4.58
24 Ottawa Senators 11 0 11 0 0 .000 18 45 -27 1.63 4.09
Records in Games vs. Smythe Division
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 New York Rangers 6 4 1 1 9 .750 27 19 8 4.50 3.16
2 Quebec Nordiques 10 6 1 3 15 .750 39 35 4 3.90 3.50
3 Vancouver Canucks 26 18 6 2 38 .731 129 72 57 4.96 2.76
4 Boston Bruins 11 8 3 0 16 .727 59 38 21 5.36 3.45
5 Calgary Flames 23 15 5 3 33 .717 106 69 37 4.60 3.00
6 Montreal Canadiens 14 9 3 2 20 .714 61 45 16 4.35 3.21
7 Philadelphia Flyers 10 5 1 4 14 .700 45 31 14 4.50 3.10
8 St. Louis Blues 13 8 4 1 17 .654 49 36 13 3.76 2.76
9 Detroit Red Wings 16 8 4 4 20 .625 67 53 14 4.18 3.31
10 Washington Capitals 10 6 4 0 12 .600 47 39 8 4.69 3.90
11 Pittsburgh Penguins 10 6 4 0 12 .600 41 29 12 4.10 2.90
12 Chicago Blackhawks 20 10 6 4 24 .600 76 58 18 3.80 2.90
13 Toronto Maple Leafs 11 6 4 1 13 .591 38 31 7 3.45 2.81
14 New York Islanders 9 4 3 2 10 .556 41 29 12 4.55 3.22
15 New Jersey Devils 7 3 3 1 7 .500 27 20 7 3.85 2.85
16 Winnipeg Jets 25 11 11 3 25 .500 90 96 -6 3.60 3.84
17 Tampa Bay Lightning 15 7 8 0 14 .467 50 49 1 3.33 3.26
18 Los Angeles Kings 26 11 13 2 24 .462 94 101 -7 3.61 3.88
19 Minnesota North Stars 17 6 8 3 15 .441 67 74 -7 3.94 4.35
20 Buffalo Sabres 10 4 6 0 8 .400 34 38 -4 3.40 3.80
21 Ottawa Senators 8 2 4 2 6 .375 20 29 -9 2.50 3.62
22 Edmonton Oilers 26 9 16 1 19 .365 80 106 -26 3.07 4.07
23 Hartford Whalers 12 4 8 0 8 .333 48 59 -11 4.00 4.91
24 San Jose Sharks 26 6 19 1 13 .250 73 128 -55 2.80 4.92
Records in Games During February
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Washington Capitals 7 6 1 0 12 .857 43 25 18 6.14 3.57
2 Montreal Canadiens 7 5 1 1 11 .786 27 18 9 3.85 2.57
3 Detroit Red Wings 8 5 1 2 12 .750 37 23 14 4.62 2.87
4 Quebec Nordiques 8 5 2 1 11 .688 29 26 3 3.62 3.25
5 Toronto Maple Leafs 9 5 2 2 12 .667 33 22 11 3.66 2.44
6 Buffalo Sabres 7 4 2 1 9 .643 27 21 6 3.85 3.00
7 Calgary Flames 9 4 2 3 11 .611 44 31 13 4.88 3.44
8 Pittsburgh Penguins 7 4 3 0 8 .571 25 20 5 3.57 2.85
9 New York Islanders 8 4 3 1 9 .563 31 25 6 3.87 3.12
10 New Jersey Devils 8 4 3 1 9 .563 35 35 0 4.37 4.37
11 Chicago Blackhawks 6 3 3 0 6 .500 21 22 -1 3.50 3.66
12 Vancouver Canucks 8 4 4 0 8 .500 24 22 2 3.00 2.75
13 New York Rangers 8 3 3 2 8 .500 26 27 -1 3.25 3.37
14 Boston Bruins 8 3 3 2 8 .500 28 25 3 3.50 3.12
15 St. Louis Blues 10 4 5 1 9 .450 29 38 -9 2.90 3.80
16 Minnesota North Stars 9 4 5 0 8 .444 32 38 -6 3.55 4.22
17 Edmonton Oilers 9 4 5 0 8 .444 33 34 -1 3.66 3.77
18 Philadelphia Flyers 8 2 3 3 7 .438 25 25 0 3.12 3.12
19 Ottawa Senators 7 2 4 1 5 .357 21 31 -10 3.00 4.42
20 Tampa Bay Lightning 8 2 5 1 5 .313 17 25 -8 2.12 3.12
21 Hartford Whalers 7 2 5 0 4 .286 25 24 1 3.57 3.42
22 Los Angeles Kings 9 2 6 1 5 .278 34 51 -17 3.77 5.66
23 San Jose Sharks 8 2 6 0 4 .250 23 46 -23 2.87 5.75
24 Winnipeg Jets 7 0 6 1 1 .071 17 32 -15 2.42 4.57
Records in Games with >3 GF
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Detroit Red Wings 35 30 2 3 63 .900 206 109 97 5.88 3.11
2 Pittsburgh Penguins 39 34 4 1 69 .885 207 115 92 5.30 2.94
3 Calgary Flames 32 25 1 6 56 .875 173 104 69 5.40 3.25
4 Vancouver Canucks 39 32 3 4 68 .872 208 105 103 5.33 2.69
5 Washington Capitals 33 28 4 1 57 .864 188 116 72 5.69 3.51
6 Montreal Canadiens 35 29 4 2 60 .857 192 114 78 5.48 3.25
7 Boston Bruins 35 29 4 2 60 .857 185 110 75 5.28 3.14
8 Los Angeles Kings 30 22 2 6 50 .833 172 105 67 5.73 3.50
9 Chicago Blackhawks 29 22 3 4 48 .828 151 79 72 5.20 2.72
10 Minnesota North Stars 30 23 4 3 49 .817 155 109 46 5.16 3.63
11 New York Islanders 33 25 5 3 53 .803 182 109 73 5.51 3.30
12 Toronto Maple Leafs 31 23 5 3 49 .790 144 87 57 4.64 2.80
13 Edmonton Oilers 21 15 3 3 33 .786 97 68 29 4.61 3.23
14 New Jersey Devils 28 22 6 0 44 .786 146 97 49 5.21 3.46
15 Winnipeg Jets 29 21 5 3 45 .776 149 103 46 5.13 3.55
16 Quebec Nordiques 38 27 6 5 59 .776 194 135 59 5.10 3.55
17 Buffalo Sabres 36 26 7 3 55 .764 205 131 74 5.69 3.63
18 St. Louis Blues 29 21 6 2 44 .759 143 107 36 4.93 3.68
19 New York Rangers 32 22 7 3 47 .734 173 129 44 5.40 4.03
20 Hartford Whalers 23 15 6 2 32 .696 116 91 25 5.04 3.95
21 Philadelphia Flyers 32 17 9 6 40 .625 165 128 37 5.15 4.00
22 Tampa Bay Lightning 21 12 8 1 25 .595 107 90 17 5.09 4.28
23 San Jose Sharks 19 6 12 1 13 .342 90 101 -11 4.73 5.31
24 Ottawa Senators 11 3 7 1 7 .318 47 53 -6 4.27 4.81
Records in Games with <4 GF
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Chicago Blackhawks 33 12 17 4 28 .424 65 92 -27 1.96 2.78
2 Montreal Canadiens 27 8 15 4 20 .370 59 89 -30 2.18 3.29
3 Quebec Nordiques 22 6 12 4 16 .364 53 79 -26 2.40 3.59
4 Toronto Maple Leafs 29 6 17 6 18 .310 59 94 -35 2.03 3.24
5 Minnesota North Stars 31 7 19 5 19 .306 58 97 -39 1.87 3.12
6 Pittsburgh Penguins 21 4 13 4 12 .286 45 81 -36 2.14 3.85
7 New Jersey Devils 30 6 19 5 17 .283 62 110 -48 2.06 3.66
8 Buffalo Sabres 23 4 15 4 12 .261 49 75 -26 2.13 3.26
9 New York Rangers 27 4 17 6 14 .259 59 96 -37 2.18 3.55
10 Calgary Flames 29 6 20 3 15 .259 66 102 -36 2.27 3.51
11 St. Louis Blues 33 5 22 6 16 .242 66 113 -47 2.00 3.42
12 Edmonton Oilers 41 7 29 5 19 .232 82 169 -87 2.00 4.12
13 Tampa Bay Lightning 40 7 30 3 17 .213 77 138 -61 1.92 3.45
14 Washington Capitals 26 3 18 5 11 .212 58 97 -39 2.23 3.73
15 Detroit Red Wings 27 3 19 5 11 .204 58 96 -38 2.14 3.55
16 Boston Bruins 25 3 18 4 10 .200 55 102 -47 2.20 4.08
17 Philadelphia Flyers 27 3 20 4 10 .185 57 111 -54 2.11 4.11
18 Winnipeg Jets 30 4 23 3 11 .183 63 124 -61 2.09 4.13
19 Vancouver Canucks 20 1 15 4 6 .150 44 76 -32 2.20 3.80
20 Los Angeles Kings 30 4 25 1 9 .150 66 153 -87 2.20 5.10
21 New York Islanders 26 2 21 3 7 .135 61 104 -43 2.34 4.00
22 Ottawa Senators 50 4 43 3 11 .110 95 235 -140 1.90 4.69
23 San Jose Sharks 41 2 38 1 5 .061 74 198 -124 1.80 4.82
24 Hartford Whalers 36 1 33 2 4 .056 77 177 -100 2.13 4.91
Records in Games with >3 GA
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Pittsburgh Penguins 23 8 14 1 17 .370 95 125 -30 4.13 5.43
2 Washington Capitals 31 10 20 1 21 .339 129 153 -24 4.16 4.93
3 Buffalo Sabres 29 8 18 3 19 .328 122 141 -19 4.20 4.86
4 New York Rangers 32 9 20 3 21 .328 132 166 -34 4.12 5.18
5 Minnesota North Stars 26 7 16 3 17 .327 92 133 -41 3.53 5.11
6 Vancouver Canucks 22 5 13 4 14 .318 81 107 -26 3.68 4.86
7 Detroit Red Wings 27 7 17 3 17 .315 114 136 -22 4.22 5.03
8 Los Angeles Kings 37 8 23 6 22 .297 141 211 -70 3.81 5.70
9 Calgary Flames 27 5 16 6 16 .296 95 125 -30 3.51 4.62
10 Quebec Nordiques 26 5 16 5 15 .288 98 137 -39 3.76 5.26
11 Boston Bruins 26 6 18 2 14 .269 93 132 -39 3.57 5.07
12 Montreal Canadiens 25 5 18 2 12 .240 92 131 -39 3.68 5.24
13 Winnipeg Jets 33 6 24 3 15 .227 112 170 -58 3.39 5.15
14 St. Louis Blues 32 6 24 2 14 .219 118 169 -51 3.68 5.28
15 Philadelphia Flyers 37 5 26 6 16 .216 131 194 -63 3.54 5.24
16 New York Islanders 28 4 21 3 11 .196 108 141 -33 3.85 5.03
17 New Jersey Devils 26 5 21 0 10 .192 86 139 -53 3.30 5.34
18 Toronto Maple Leafs 20 2 15 3 7 .175 65 105 -40 3.25 5.25
19 Tampa Bay Lightning 36 5 30 1 11 .153 115 181 -66 3.19 5.02
20 Chicago Blackhawks 22 1 17 4 6 .136 61 102 -41 2.77 4.63
21 Edmonton Oilers 31 2 26 3 7 .113 78 170 -92 2.51 5.48
22 Hartford Whalers 37 3 32 2 8 .108 117 218 -101 3.16 5.89
23 San Jose Sharks 44 1 42 1 3 .034 121 263 -142 2.75 5.97
24 Ottawa Senators 43 0 42 1 1 .012 99 246 -147 2.30 5.72
Records in Games with <4 GA
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 Montreal Canadiens 37 32 1 4 68 .919 159 72 87 4.29 1.94
2 Quebec Nordiques 34 28 2 4 60 .882 149 77 72 4.38 2.26
3 Chicago Blackhawks 40 33 3 4 70 .875 155 69 86 3.87 1.72
4 Pittsburgh Penguins 37 30 3 4 64 .865 157 71 86 4.24 1.91
5 Washington Capitals 28 21 2 5 47 .839 117 60 57 4.17 2.14
6 Boston Bruins 34 26 4 4 56 .824 147 80 67 4.32 2.35
7 Detroit Red Wings 35 26 4 5 57 .814 150 69 81 4.28 1.97
8 Vancouver Canucks 37 28 5 4 60 .811 171 74 97 4.62 2.00
9 Calgary Flames 34 26 5 3 55 .809 144 81 63 4.23 2.38
10 Los Angeles Kings 23 18 4 1 37 .804 97 47 50 4.21 2.04
11 Buffalo Sabres 30 22 4 4 48 .800 132 65 67 4.40 2.16
12 New Jersey Devils 32 23 4 5 51 .797 122 68 54 3.81 2.12
13 New York Islanders 31 23 5 3 49 .790 135 72 63 4.35 2.32
14 Winnipeg Jets 26 19 4 3 41 .788 100 57 43 3.84 2.19
15 Philadelphia Flyers 22 15 3 4 34 .773 91 45 46 4.13 2.04
16 St. Louis Blues 30 20 4 6 46 .767 91 51 40 3.03 1.70
17 Toronto Maple Leafs 40 27 7 6 60 .750 138 76 62 3.45 1.90
18 New York Rangers 27 17 4 6 40 .741 100 59 41 3.70 2.18
19 Minnesota North Stars 35 23 7 5 51 .729 121 73 48 3.45 2.08
20 Edmonton Oilers 31 20 6 5 45 .726 101 67 34 3.25 2.16
21 Hartford Whalers 22 13 7 2 28 .636 76 50 26 3.45 2.27
22 Tampa Bay Lightning 25 14 8 3 31 .620 69 47 22 2.76 1.88
23 Ottawa Senators 18 7 8 3 17 .472 43 42 1 2.38 2.33
24 San Jose Sharks 16 7 8 1 15 .469 43 36 7 2.68 2.25
Records in Overtime Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
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1 New Jersey Devils 9 4 0 5 13 .722 32 28 4 3.55 3.11
2 Quebec Nordiques 14 4 1 9 17 .607 53 50 3 3.78 3.57
3 Detroit Red Wings 10 2 0 8 12 .600 34 32 2 3.40 3.20
4 Pittsburgh Penguins 6 1 0 5 7 .583 20 19 1 3.33 3.16
5 Edmonton Oilers 14 4 2 8 16 .571 46 44 2 3.28 3.14
6 Los Angeles Kings 8 1 0 7 9 .563 37 36 1 4.62 4.50
7 Montreal Canadiens 9 2 1 6 10 .556 26 25 1 2.88 2.77
8 Buffalo Sabres 14 4 3 7 15 .536 50 49 1 3.57 3.50
9 Philadelphia Flyers 15 3 2 10 16 .533 52 51 1 3.46 3.40
10 Washington Capitals 8 1 1 6 8 .500 22 22 0 2.75 2.75
11 Vancouver Canucks 8 0 0 8 8 .500 28 28 0 3.50 3.50
12 Minnesota North Stars 8 0 0 8 8 .500 27 27 0 3.37 3.37
13 Winnipeg Jets 10 2 2 6 10 .500 32 32 0 3.20 3.20
14 Boston Bruins 12 3 3 6 12 .500 36 36 0 3.00 3.00
15 St. Louis Blues 12 2 2 8 12 .500 34 34 0 2.83 2.83
16 New York Rangers 13 2 2 9 13 .500 44 44 0 3.38 3.38
17 Calgary Flames 16 3 4 9 15 .469 54 55 -1 3.37 3.43
18 Toronto Maple Leafs 10 0 1 9 9 .450 29 30 -1 2.90 3.00
19 Tampa Bay Lightning 9 2 3 4 8 .444 31 32 -1 3.44 3.55
20 New York Islanders 9 1 2 6 8 .444 34 35 -1 3.77 3.88
21 San Jose Sharks 7 2 3 2 6 .429 27 28 -1 3.85 4.00
22 Chicago Blackhawks 11 0 3 8 8 .364 36 39 -3 3.27 3.54
23 Ottawa Senators 7 0 3 4 4 .286 18 21 -3 2.57 3.00
24 Hartford Whalers 11 1 6 4 6 .273 36 41 -5 3.27 3.72
Records in Shutouts
# Team GP W L T PTS PCT
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1 Winnipeg Jets 1 1 0 0 2 1.000
2 Vancouver Canucks 4 3 1 0 6 .750
3 Calgary Flames 4 3 1 0 6 .750
4 Pittsburgh Penguins 7 5 2 0 10 .714
5 Chicago Blackhawks 10 7 3 0 14 .700
6 Detroit Red Wings 6 4 2 0 8 .667
7 New Jersey Devils 5 3 2 0 6 .600
8 Minnesota North Stars 5 3 2 0 6 .600
9 Washington Capitals 2 1 1 0 2 .500
10 Boston Bruins 2 1 1 0 2 .500
11 Los Angeles Kings 4 2 2 0 4 .500
12 Toronto Maple Leafs 4 2 2 0 4 .500
13 Montreal Canadiens 5 2 2 1 5 .500
14 New York Rangers 5 2 3 0 4 .400
15 Philadelphia Flyers 4 1 2 1 3 .375
16 San Jose Sharks 3 1 2 0 2 .333
17 Edmonton Oilers 4 1 3 0 2 .250
18 St. Louis Blues 4 1 3 0 2 .250
19 Tampa Bay Lightning 5 1 4 0 2 .200
20 Quebec Nordiques 0 0 0 0 0 .000
21 Buffalo Sabres 1 0 1 0 0 .000
22 Ottawa Senators 1 0 1 0 0 .000
23 Hartford Whalers 1 0 1 0 0 .000
24 New York Islanders 3 0 3 0 0 .000
Overall Streaks Combined Home Away
TEAM W WT L LT W WT L LT W WT L LT
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Boston Bruins 4 4 3 3 5 5 2 2 3 3 4 5
Buffalo Sabres 6 6 4 6 7 7 1 2 2 3 6 11
Calgary Flames 8 10 5 11 6 7 2 5 4 6 4 6
Chicago Blackhawks 5 7 2 3 5 7 2 2 2 5 3 3
Detroit Red Wings 3 6 3 5 4 8 4 4 4 6 4 4
Edmonton Oilers 4 7 4 6 4 5 2 4 2 4 5 9
Hartford Whalers 2 3 5 9 2 6 4 7 2 2 7 7
Los Angeles Kings 4 7 5 10 12 13 4 8 2 3 4 5
Minnesota North Stars 5 7 3 3 3 6 4 4 7 7 3 5
Montreal Canadiens 8 12 3 4 8 9 2 2 4 5 3 4
New Jersey Devils 5 7 3 5 4 6 4 4 3 3 4 6
New York Islanders 4 6 5 5 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4
New York Rangers 4 5 4 6 4 7 4 4 2 4 6 7
Ottawa Senators 2 3 11 21 2 4 5 9 0 0 29 29
Philadelphia Flyers 5 6 6 7 4 7 3 3 2 3 6 7
Pittsburgh Penguins 7 10 3 3 7 11 1 1 3 4 2 2
Quebec Nordiques 4 7 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 6 2 3
San Jose Sharks 1 3 17 20 1 1 9 9 1 2 19 19
St. Louis Blues 4 7 4 5 4 9 4 5 3 3 5 9
Tampa Bay Lightning 4 6 7 7 3 3 6 6 2 3 5 5
Toronto Maple Leafs 5 6 3 4 4 6 2 3 2 6 6 7
Vancouver Canucks 6 9 2 5 9 18 1 4 2 4 2 5
Washington Capitals 7 7 4 5 5 13 3 4 5 5 4 4
Winnipeg Jets 8 10 6 7 9 9 4 5 3 4 8 8
Current Streaks Combined Home Away
TEAM W WT L LT W WT L LT W WT L LT
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Boston Bruins 0 3 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 3 0 1
Buffalo Sabres 0 3 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 3 0 1
Calgary Flames 0 0 1 4 0 4 0 1 0 0 1 3
Chicago Blackhawks 2 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 3
Detroit Red Wings 1 4 0 0 0 8 0 1 2 2 0 0
Edmonton Oilers 0 0 2 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 2 2
Hartford Whalers 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1
Los Angeles Kings 0 0 2 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 2
Minnesota North Stars 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1
Montreal Canadiens 2 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 1 3 0 0
New Jersey Devils 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 2 1 1 0 0
New York Islanders 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1
New York Rangers 2 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 1 1 0 0
Ottawa Senators 0 0 4 4 0 0 1 1 0 0 29 29
Philadelphia Flyers 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 1
Pittsburgh Penguins 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0
Quebec Nordiques 4 5 0 0 1 1 0 0 3 6 0 0
San Jose Sharks 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0
St. Louis Blues 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1
Tampa Bay Lightning 0 0 3 5 0 0 1 3 0 0 3 3
Toronto Maple Leafs 0 6 0 1 0 5 0 1 1 1 0 0
Vancouver Canucks 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1
Washington Capitals 6 6 0 0 2 2 0 0 4 4 0 0
Winnipeg Jets 0 0 6 7 0 0 4 4 0 0 2 3
Goals For and Against by Wins, Losses, and Ties
TEAM W GF GA GFPG GAPG L GF GA GFPG GAPG T G GPG
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Boston Bruins 32 167 84 5.22 2.63 22 55 110 2.50 5.00 6 18 3.00
Buffalo Sabres 30 171 82 5.70 2.73 22 63 104 2.86 4.73 7 20 2.86
Calgary Flames 31 160 80 5.16 2.58 21 46 93 2.19 4.43 9 33 3.67
Chicago Blackhawks 34 150 55 4.41 1.62 20 40 90 2.00 4.50 8 26 3.25
Detroit Red Wings 33 190 83 5.76 2.52 21 48 96 2.29 4.57 8 26 3.25
Edmonton Oilers 22 89 45 4.05 2.05 32 64 166 2.00 5.19 8 26 3.25
Hartford Whalers 16 81 40 5.06 2.50 39 98 214 2.51 5.49 4 14 3.50
Los Angeles Kings 26 145 69 5.58 2.65 27 61 157 2.26 5.81 7 32 4.57
Minnesota North Stars 30 139 70 4.63 2.33 23 47 109 2.04 4.74 8 27 3.38
Montreal Canadiens 37 185 86 5.00 2.32 19 49 100 2.58 5.26 6 17 2.83
New Jersey Devils 28 134 65 4.79 2.32 25 61 129 2.44 5.16 5 13 2.60
New York Islanders 27 150 68 5.56 2.52 26 71 123 2.73 4.73 6 22 3.67
New York Rangers 26 142 73 5.46 2.81 24 63 125 2.63 5.21 9 27 3.00
Ottawa Senators 7 26 14 3.71 2.00 50 106 264 2.12 5.28 4 10 2.50
Philadelphia Flyers 20 110 51 5.50 2.55 29 79 155 2.72 5.34 10 33 3.30
Pittsburgh Penguins 38 197 89 5.18 2.34 17 40 92 2.35 5.41 5 15 3.00
Quebec Nordiques 33 164 84 4.97 2.55 18 51 98 2.83 5.44 9 32 3.56
San Jose Sharks 8 38 19 4.75 2.38 50 120 274 2.40 5.48 2 6 3.00
St. Louis Blues 26 118 59 4.54 2.27 28 71 141 2.54 5.04 8 20 2.50
Tampa Bay Lightning 19 83 43 4.37 2.26 38 90 174 2.37 4.58 4 11 2.75
Toronto Maple Leafs 29 127 54 4.38 1.86 22 51 102 2.32 4.64 9 25 2.78
Vancouver Canucks 33 181 70 5.48 2.12 18 43 83 2.39 4.61 8 28 3.50
Washington Capitals 31 175 91 5.65 2.94 22 56 107 2.55 4.86 6 15 2.50
Winnipeg Jets 25 124 67 4.96 2.68 28 68 140 2.43 5.00 6 20 3.33
Records by Goal Differential
Team 0T 1W 1L 2W 2L 3W 3L 4W 4L 5W 5L 6W 6L 7+ 7+
---- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Bos 6 11 9 8 2 6 4 1 5 3 2 2 0 1 0
Buf 7 10 9 4 8 7 4 2 1 3 0 3 0 1 0
Cal 9 11 9 8 7 4 2 6 1 1 0 0 1 1 1
Chi 8 8 6 9 2 7 9 5 2 3 1 1 0 1 0
Det 8 4 5 11 9 6 5 4 1 5 0 1 1 2 0
Edm 8 10 8 7 3 3 8 0 7 1 4 1 0 0 2
Har 4 3 11 5 7 4 4 4 10 0 3 0 4 0 0
LA 7 6 6 5 3 8 4 3 5 1 5 2 2 1 2
Min 8 11 7 7 5 8 5 2 2 1 3 0 0 1 1
Mon 6 11 6 8 3 7 4 6 4 4 1 0 1 1 0
NJ 5 10 6 7 7 3 7 5 1 2 2 1 1 0 1
NYI 6 7 11 5 7 6 5 2 3 3 0 4 0 0 0
NYR 9 11 5 4 5 3 10 3 3 3 1 1 0 1 0
Ott 4 3 9 3 13 1 9 0 8 0 7 0 1 0 3
Phi 10 7 8 4 7 2 6 3 6 1 0 1 2 2 0
Pit 5 8 5 5 5 13 3 9 0 3 1 0 0 0 3
Que 9 13 4 5 4 9 6 3 3 1 1 1 0 1 0
SJ 2 4 16 2 8 0 8 0 8 1 3 1 3 0 4
StL 8 7 10 11 4 3 7 4 4 1 3 0 0 0 0
TB 4 9 13 4 16 2 4 3 0 1 4 0 0 0 1
Tor 9 6 10 11 5 5 2 5 2 2 1 0 2 0 0
Van 8 6 5 5 6 10 5 5 2 3 0 0 0 4 0
Was 6 8 7 8 6 6 6 7 2 0 0 0 1 2 0
Win 6 10 9 3 7 8 4 3 5 1 2 0 0 0 1
Records in Last 10 Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
-- --------------------- -- -- -- -- --- ----- --- --- --- ---- ----
1 Montreal Canadiens 10 7 2 1 15 .750 43 31 12 4.30 3.10
2 Washington Capitals 10 6 2 2 14 .700 51 34 17 5.10 3.40
3 Toronto Maple Leafs 10 6 2 2 14 .700 36 23 13 3.60 2.30
4 Quebec Nordiques 10 6 2 2 14 .700 38 32 6 3.80 3.20
5 Detroit Red Wings 10 5 1 4 14 .700 43 29 14 4.30 2.90
6 Buffalo Sabres 10 6 3 1 13 .650 41 33 8 4.10 3.30
7 Calgary Flames 10 5 2 3 13 .650 49 35 14 4.90 3.50
8 Chicago Blackhawks 10 5 3 2 12 .600 37 32 5 3.70 3.20
9 Boston Bruins 10 5 3 2 12 .600 40 32 8 4.00 3.20
10 Pittsburgh Penguins 10 5 4 1 11 .550 33 29 4 3.30 2.90
11 New York Islanders 10 5 4 1 11 .550 41 33 8 4.10 3.30
12 Edmonton Oilers 10 5 5 0 10 .500 38 38 0 3.80 3.80
13 Vancouver Canucks 10 4 4 2 10 .500 32 30 2 3.20 3.00
14 New Jersey Devils 10 4 4 2 10 .500 39 41 -2 3.90 4.10
15 St. Louis Blues 10 4 5 1 9 .450 29 38 -9 2.90 3.80
16 Minnesota North Stars 10 4 6 0 8 .400 35 42 -7 3.50 4.19
17 New York Rangers 10 3 5 2 8 .400 31 36 -5 3.10 3.60
18 Tampa Bay Lightning 10 3 6 1 7 .350 23 32 -9 2.30 3.20
19 Ottawa Senators 10 3 6 1 7 .350 30 43 -13 3.00 4.30
20 Philadelphia Flyers 10 2 5 3 7 .350 31 35 -4 3.10 3.50
21 Hartford Whalers 10 3 7 0 6 .300 36 40 -4 3.60 4.00
22 Los Angeles Kings 10 2 6 2 6 .300 36 53 -17 3.60 5.30
23 San Jose Sharks 10 2 8 0 4 .200 29 55 -26 2.90 5.50
24 Winnipeg Jets 10 1 8 1 3 .150 27 46 -19 2.70 4.60
Records in Last 10 Home Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
-- --------------------- -- -- -- -- --- ----- --- --- --- ---- ----
1 Montreal Canadiens 10 8 2 0 16 .800 43 31 12 4.30 3.10
2 Buffalo Sabres 10 8 2 0 16 .800 48 36 12 4.80 3.60
3 Detroit Red Wings 10 7 1 2 16 .800 43 24 19 4.30 2.40
4 Chicago Blackhawks 10 7 2 1 15 .750 47 29 18 4.69 2.90
5 Washington Capitals 10 6 1 3 15 .750 46 30 16 4.60 3.00
6 New York Rangers 10 6 1 3 15 .750 38 28 10 3.80 2.80
7 Pittsburgh Penguins 10 7 3 0 14 .700 42 27 15 4.19 2.70
8 Toronto Maple Leafs 10 6 3 1 13 .650 36 21 15 3.60 2.09
9 New Jersey Devils 10 6 3 1 13 .650 44 35 9 4.40 3.50
10 Boston Bruins 10 6 4 0 12 .600 43 32 11 4.30 3.20
11 Winnipeg Jets 10 6 4 0 12 .600 42 39 3 4.19 3.90
12 New York Islanders 10 5 3 2 12 .600 48 33 15 4.80 3.30
13 Edmonton Oilers 10 5 3 2 12 .600 27 21 6 2.70 2.09
14 Vancouver Canucks 10 5 3 2 12 .600 43 29 14 4.30 2.90
15 St. Louis Blues 10 5 3 2 12 .600 31 34 -3 3.10 3.40
16 Quebec Nordiques 10 5 4 1 11 .550 32 35 -3 3.20 3.50
17 Minnesota North Stars 10 4 5 1 9 .450 39 39 0 3.90 3.90
18 Ottawa Senators 10 4 5 1 9 .450 27 35 -8 2.70 3.50
19 Calgary Flames 10 3 4 3 9 .450 44 39 5 4.40 3.90
20 Philadelphia Flyers 10 3 5 2 8 .400 36 36 0 3.60 3.60
21 Hartford Whalers 10 3 7 0 6 .300 33 41 -8 3.30 4.10
22 Tampa Bay Lightning 10 2 6 2 6 .300 23 32 -9 2.30 3.20
23 Los Angeles Kings 10 2 6 2 6 .300 33 45 -12 3.30 4.50
24 San Jose Sharks 10 1 8 1 3 .150 30 44 -14 3.00 4.40
Records in Last 10 Away Games
# TEAM GP W L T PTS PCT GF GA +/- GFPG GAPG
-- --------------------- -- -- -- -- --- ----- --- --- --- ---- ----
1 Toronto Maple Leafs 10 6 2 2 14 .700 37 27 10 3.70 2.70
2 Quebec Nordiques 10 6 2 2 14 .700 39 31 8 3.90 3.10
3 Minnesota North Stars 10 6 3 1 13 .650 30 29 1 3.00 2.90
4 Detroit Red Wings 10 5 2 3 13 .650 49 30 19 4.90 3.00
5 Washington Capitals 10 6 4 0 12 .600 47 38 9 4.69 3.80
6 New York Islanders 10 6 4 0 12 .600 42 34 8 4.19 3.40
7 St. Louis Blues 10 6 4 0 12 .600 33 29 4 3.30 2.90
8 Montreal Canadiens 10 5 3 2 12 .600 33 33 0 3.30 3.30
9 Boston Bruins 10 4 3 3 11 .550 37 33 4 3.70 3.30
10 Chicago Blackhawks 10 4 4 2 10 .500 28 32 -4 2.80 3.20
11 Winnipeg Jets 10 4 4 2 10 .500 36 35 1 3.60 3.50
12 Vancouver Canucks 10 4 4 2 10 .500 30 33 -3 3.00 3.30
13 Calgary Flames 10 4 4 2 10 .500 35 40 -5 3.50 4.00
14 Buffalo Sabres 10 4 5 1 9 .450 31 33 -2 3.10 3.30
15 Pittsburgh Penguins 10 4 5 1 9 .450 27 33 -6 2.70 3.30
16 Edmonton Oilers 10 4 6 0 8 .400 35 47 -12 3.50 4.69
17 Los Angeles Kings 10 4 6 0 8 .400 36 52 -16 3.60 5.20
18 Philadelphia Flyers 10 2 5 3 7 .350 32 43 -11 3.20 4.30
19 Tampa Bay Lightning 10 3 7 0 6 .300 28 43 -15 2.80 4.30
20 New York Rangers 10 2 6 2 6 .300 34 39 -5 3.40 3.90
21 New Jersey Devils 10 2 6 2 6 .300 34 48 -14 3.40 4.80
22 Hartford Whalers 10 2 8 0 4 .200 37 50 -13 3.70 5.00
23 San Jose Sharks 10 1 9 0 2 .100 16 55 -39 1.60 5.50
24 Ottawa Senators 10 0 10 0 0 .000 26 60 -34 2.60 6.00
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Subject: NHLSTATS: Team Stats thru 2/21
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| 11.72 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Feb 23 1993 16:35 | 3 |
| Apparently that new hockey league that is trying to form will have a
few different rules. One of them that I recall will eliminate the
redline thus reducing the number of offsides calls.
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| 11.73 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | See if We care if ya starve, Jesse!! | Tue Feb 23 1993 16:41 | 13 |
| >> <<< Note 11.72 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>
>>Apparently that new hockey league that is trying to form will have a
>>few different rules. One of them that I recall will eliminate the
>>redline thus reducing the number of offsides calls.
Probably result in a few more blown engines, too. OOPs, yer talking
hokey, not auto racing... Nevermind.
(8^)*
JaKe
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| 11.74 | | SLEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Wed Feb 24 1993 09:25 | 8 |
|
They should have gotten rid of the redline years ago. It's a pain
in the a$$. Did the WHA have a no red line rule ? For some reason I
thought they did.
-TH
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| 11.75 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Wed Feb 24 1993 09:52 | 8 |
| > They should have gotten rid of the redline years ago. It's a pain
> in the a$$. Did the WHA have a no red line rule ? For some reason I
> thought they did.
Nope. WHA had a redline.
'Saw
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| 11.76 | Just playing with numbers | DEVOTN::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Wed Feb 24 1993 15:02 | 2 |
| Not that anyone cares, but Montreal has already clinched a Playoff
spot :-) (At least by my math theyre in...)
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| 11.77 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Let's not be L7... | Wed Feb 24 1993 15:37 | 4 |
| Hey 'Saw, your second favorite goon (after RosieGoon�) is returning
to the Broons� tomorrow.
/Don
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| 11.78 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Wed Feb 24 1993 16:12 | 11 |
| Yeah.
I'm going to the game on Saturday, Loge seats, for free. Cain't wait.....
Some guy on the internet was saying that Cam, at 50% was better than anyone
else in the league. I didn't know that Hal liked the Broons and was
on the internet 8^)
'Saw
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| 11.79 | Best action in Gahden since dey fixed Slash' seat | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 11:20 | 11 |
| Well,
I'll be a settin in front of the boob tube, Bud in one hand, Ulf
voodoo doll in the other, wearin by Broon longjohnnies, as I watch
Cammonster dish out punishment to those feign NoStars whilst netting
as hat trick.
Noooo Doooooubt Aboooout it.
Eh
MikeL
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| 11.80 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Thu Feb 25 1993 12:39 | 4 |
| Look for Oates to score 2 goals tonight. He'll see more open ice tonight
than he has at anytime during his career.
Mark.
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| 11.81 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Searching for the little Dougie | Thu Feb 25 1993 12:56 | 9 |
| So the CamGoon finally has decided he milked this little soap opera comeback
enough and is finally going to try to regain the little ounce of mainhood
he had by gracing the ice with his overinflated prescense. Oh, the teeny
bopper crowd will be so excited - not since Michael's tear-jerking Oprahiphany
have the teeney's had so much to get teary eyed for.
Neeley's comeback was taking on Son of God proportions...
JD
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| 11.82 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Thu Feb 25 1993 13:07 | 3 |
| Who is this Neeley guy, JD?
Mark.
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| 11.83 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Thu Feb 25 1993 13:47 | 1 |
| Cam is GOD. 8^)
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| 11.84 | | MKFSA::LONG | A dream is like a river, | Thu Feb 25 1993 14:00 | 4 |
| Is it true that Cam's full name is Camille Neeley?
Just wonderin'
Bill
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| 11.85 | Dat's Cameron Swayze Neely | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 14:22 | 11 |
|
Cam's gittin hisself back in shape so's he cain slap Ulfie da
Ultimate Pengoon around whence the Broons and Pens meet on 3/26.
Rumor has it that the whole Players Assoc is puttin' the ante up on
the bounty for Ulfie's haid. They'll all have to wait in line after
Cammonster.
8^)
MikeL
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| 11.86 | more broon's static...yawn | MKFSA::LONG | A dream is like a river, | Thu Feb 25 1993 15:10 | 11 |
| Wah, wah, wah.
Face it, Cammie can't take a hit and Ulf is a hard nose hockey
defenseman, not a WWF boxer on skates.
Boy, I'd be willing to bet that if these guys were in opposite
black and gold uniforms the tune of this noise would be changed
drastically.
JMHO
Bill
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| 11.87 | Nah, Ulfie needs a bodyguard | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 15:21 | 28 |
| Why Bill,
I'd LOVE ta see Ulfie on the Broons. He's a damn good defenseman
is strong, can move the puck as well as players out of the crease.
That's as far as it goes. But because he takes the extras step and
is considered the biggest cheap shot artist in the game today, I have
no respect for the man. Just ask the Chicago Blackhawks for recent
news on Ulfie. He's dirty and yeller, makes Dale Hunter look like
a choirboy.
And ya haven't followed Cam since '86 if ya don't think he can take a
hit. If ya think Cam is nuttin' but a boxer on skates...... well
think again. If Cam was on the Pens I'd covet him more than Stevens
or Tocchet. He's tough, strong, can score, and even hit cleanly, unlike
Ulf da Goon. He's a mainly Kevin Stevens and Rick Tocchet.
BTW, the hit that caused Cam's injury was his own fault. He tried to
run Ulfie, missed and caused his injuries. The cheapshot we refer to
was the previous game whar ol' Ulfie stuck out his knee and could have
easily ruined Neely's career that night. And that's Ulfie's game...
cheapshot. And what makes Neely mo' po'd is the fact that he STUPIDLY
took the bait and tried to make Ulfie a new ad on the Gahden boards.
He coitainly has paid for it.
But enuf ancient history....
MikeL
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| 11.88 | | SLEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:04 | 17 |
|
I would say that Cam is more of a Toccet, Stevens is a much better
player that Neely could ever be. (Actually they are apples and oranges,
so you really can't compare them.) Cam is noted for his lack of skating
speed and puck handling skills. However, he has the ability to bury the
biscut with a great quick shot, and is one of the most feared hitters
in the NHL.
If he gets more than 10 shifts tonight I would be surprised.
Ulfie, one of the best defenseman in the game. He can take you out of
the game by taking you "off" of your game. Not to well liked, but the
press has done a good job of that. He would be on my team any day. I
also doubt he would ever fight Neely becuase he would lose and he
knows it.
-TH
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| 11.89 | Do I (8^)* or not??? | PFSVAX::JACOB | | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:09 | 9 |
| Ah bring on Cammie Wammie, the freakin' wuss!!! Ulfie'll blow out his
OTHER knee this time. Put Neeley-weeley on the ice wif Ulfie in the
next game they meet and he'll run from Ulf like a wuss from the local
bully.
Cam Sucks!!
JaKe
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| 11.90 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:14 | 2 |
| Has anyone ever seen Bill Long and JD in the same place at the same
tiem?
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| 11.91 | | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:26 | 13 |
| Ah knew what he was doin' Mac. I decided to take tha bait!
Ya know how Bill is, bein' the native Pittsburgher dat he is.
When he thinks of hockey on ice, he conjures up memories a of playing
air hockey sippin' on a Scotch on the rocks. 8^). JaKe being the
exception to the rule ( but we knew that already) about Pitsburghers
and hockeytalk knowledge !!
BTW TH, agreed that Neely and Stevens are apples/oranges. Tocchet's
more the comparison. But I think that Ulfie's rep is well deserved,
his own dang fault it overshadows his admitted ability.
MikeL
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| 11.92 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is THREE years old!!! | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:30 | 6 |
| I've seen the JD and Bill in da same place.
JD's the one wif da huge lats, whereas Bill's da one playin' disco and rap
music.
HTH
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| 11.93 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Does Ulf:=Mr. Dirty??Fact or fiction?? | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:35 | 14 |
|
>> JaKe being the
>>exception to the rule ( but we knew that already) about Pitsburghers
>>and hockeytalk knowledge !!
Watch who you're callin' an exception!!! (8^)*
>>BTW TH, agreed that Neely and Stevens are apples/oranges.
Nah, Neely is more like a lemon.
JaKe
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| 11.94 | A lemon? HAHAHAHA Rollward JaKe! | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:42 | 1 |
|
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| 11.95 | Ulfie is KING! | MKFSA::LONG | A dream is like a river, | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:47 | 14 |
| MikeL,
The comment about the WWF boxer on skates was not in reference to
Cammile. I was refering to the fact that everyone wants Ulf to
slug it out with whoever, but I contend that watching two hockey
players fight/waltz is as exciting as WWF rasslin'. By the way,
who would ruin good Scotch with ice?
=bob=,
You vill pay for dat young man!
Bill
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| 11.96 | Ulf Be GOON | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:56 | 15 |
| oookay Bill,
Ulf plays the European "Sneak attack and run" style. I'm not advocating
fighting, but his actions do provoke, but he decides usually to
hide. It's his shtick and as TH said, he certainly does take his
opponent off his game. His "jab to the chops with glove" and run tactic
is the most galling. And of course, he wears the face guard, which
PO's his opponents off more when he does the cheapshot and hide.
It's too bad because this aspect of his game overshadows his ability.
And if ah recall, payback is a b*tch. Hasn't Ulfie been in and out of
the lineup the last couple of years himself? From "payback" hits from
mucho teams? What goes around, comes around.
MikeL
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| 11.97 | yup, saw them this week... | ROYALT::ASHE | I...feel like... somebody's watchin' me | Thu Feb 25 1993 16:57 | 2 |
| Bill likes to keep it between the lines... JD's always working on his
when he meets guys like Larry Nance and Mark Price...
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| 11.98 | | MKFSA::LONG | ever changin' as it flows, | Thu Feb 25 1993 17:04 | 5 |
| Let me see if I got this straight Mike. Now you say Ulf is a sissy
for wearing a facesheild. I guess those must be nowhere to be seen
on da Gaaden. Come on you can do better than that.
Bill
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| 11.99 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Thu Feb 25 1993 17:20 | 17 |
| RE JD and Bill Long:
Yep, I've seen 'em. Bill had some SERIOUS tapes in his
van -- stuff like Public Enemy, LL Cool J, Saturday Night
Fever, Best of Wild Cherry. I axed him how he was doing
and he told me he was "Chillin'"
JD meanwhile, was relating how he got this awesome pair
of rubbers from his father-in-law, who has like FIVE of
everything, and then was telling me how much he missed
Harrisburg
[with mega-smilies]
'Saw
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| 11.100 | | CAMONE::WAY | J. Edgar -- G-man wearin' a G-string | Thu Feb 25 1993 17:27 | 25 |
| Okay, folks. I'm gonna be at de game on Saturday afternoon. I lucked into
some absolutely GREAT seats (I think). They're in SECTION 2, Row 3, in the
LOGE.
Me and DreadTom are going, and we're gonna be wearing Orange Dreadlock
wigs, and totin' signs that say
+---------------------------+
| |
| BOB 3:16 |
| King Spliff Version |
| |
| (Marley of course!) |
+---------------------------+
Look for us.
Actually, I'm wicked psyched to see Cam again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
'SAw
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| 11.101 | To become the Texas Lone Stars | ANGLIN::WIERSBECK | Remember Twins/Braves in '91? | Thu Feb 25 1993 17:42 | 11 |
| Just heard an interview with NoStars owner Norm Green. A deal is very
close to move the Stars down to Dallas and could come as early as next
Monday or Tuesday. He sounds VERY determined and that it will happen.
Not that I care or anything, but it will seem a little strange not
having Pro Hockey in Minnesota.
Bye Norm,
Spud
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| 11.102 | Say, we'll have to discuss over an "Ahrrn City" | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Thu Feb 25 1993 20:40 | 20 |
| No No No Bill,
You're putting words in me mouth. Wearing a faceguard does not
constitute "sissy". Ulf's a tough player, no doubt. When he provokes
with his patented "cheapshots", he backs away and doesn't stand up to
the confrontation. He has a consistent pattern of leading with his
glove/ebbo/stick into the facial area of his opponents (mostly those
with no face guards). When said opponent is rightfully looking to
git back at him, Ulfie rarely stands up to his opponent. That does
not constitute "sissy" as it's his srategy to provoke and draw his
opponent off his game.
The point is, the NHL players know that Samuelsson is more than
able to play the "honest" game, but chooses to "cheapshot". You don't
see much respect around the league for the way he plays the game.
Face it, while a damn good defenseman, he is a dirty player.
MrCheapshot.
JMHO
MikeL
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| 11.103 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Searching for the little Dougie | Fri Feb 26 1993 08:44 | 9 |
| At least Mike Leary is main enuf to admit that CamGoon, using all
his brain power caused his own injury - and not Ulfie, which is
the Broons Fains Revisionist History of what happened. Old Cammie,
conjuring up all his mental facilities, done almost kilt hisself
by trying to take out the boards with a hit. Po' Cammie. And then
he orchestrated a media-blitz-revivial-comeback-wah-wah-sniff-sniff
story that Don King would be proud of.
JD
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| 11.104 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mama, turn your lamp down low | Fri Feb 26 1993 09:04 | 13 |
| Bottom line, Cam (aka GOD) scored a goal last night in his comeback.
Sure was nice to see #8 back on the ice. Even in my misguided days
as a Whaler fan, after I had left the sacred Black and Gold Old Town fold,
I always coveted Cam for my team.
Hope Cam scores a couple on Saturday.
I wonder if I should make a sign "Cam is GOD(tm)" and see if I cain get
on TV.....
'Saw
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| 11.105 | | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Fri Feb 26 1993 09:09 | 7 |
| JD,
Cammonster admits it hisself. One goal last night, pretty good
performance by Cam. Needs game conditioning obviously but he'll git
there, God and knee willin'.
MikeL
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| 11.106 | The sign says... | AKOCOA::PETERSON | Rank & Stinky | Fri Feb 26 1993 09:18 | 4 |
|
...Make that sign, 'saw, you'llz be under them caimras!
...Mel
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| 11.107 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mama, turn your lamp down low | Fri Feb 26 1993 09:44 | 26 |
| Latest AHL Standings:
International
(Affiliations in parentheses)
Atlantic Division
W L T Pts GF GA
StJohn (Tor) 31 16 11 73 266 224
Frdctn (Mtl) 29 23 9 67 242 217
CpBrtn (Edm) 30 23 6 66 274 242
Monctn (Chi) 22 23 15 59 220 226
Halifx (Que) 20 31 9 47 211 263
Northern Division
W L T Pts GF GA
Prvdnc (Bos) 32 26 2 66 289 270
CapDst (NYI) 26 22 11 63 213 210
Adrndk (Det) 26 27 7 59 234 231
Spgfld (Har) 21 28 11 53 215 249
NHaven (Ott) 16 37 9 41 195 263
Southern Division
W L T Pts GF GA
Bnghtn (NYR) 42 6 8 92 284 156
Rchstr (Buf) 29 25 5 63 262 251
Utica (NJ) 24 25 10 58 239 253
Bltmre (Was) 21 29 9 51 239 265
Hrshy (Phi) 18 33 9 45 224 252
Hmlton (Van) 19 32 5 43 190 225
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| 11.108 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Let's not be L7... | Fri Feb 26 1993 16:37 | 5 |
| Ulfie's a wuss. He uses his hokey stick like the Honkey Tonk Main
used his guitar. He won't drop his gloves and settle matters like a *main*
would.
/Don
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| 11.109 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | | Fri Feb 26 1993 17:50 | 14 |
| >> <<< Note 11.108 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD "Let's not be L7..." >>>
>> Ulfie's a wuss. He uses his hokey stick like the Honkey Tonk Main
>>used his guitar. He won't drop his gloves and settle matters like a *main*
>>would.
Ah, crawl back in yer cave, SLasher. Cam's a malingerer and a wimp who
tried to get sympathy from the public whilst milking his injuries.
Plus, him and Bernice swap Evening Gowns.
Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
JaKe
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| 11.110 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mama, turn your lamp down low | Mon Mar 01 1993 08:28 | 32 |
| Went to the game on Saturday at Da Gahden, wif DreadTom. If we had
sat ANY closer, we'd have needed skates.
The game was intense. Sitting so close, you could see every expression
on the players faces. We were about 15 feet from the Broons penalty
box and got a chance to check out a few Broons, as that dork McCreary
decided that he'd only see things done by the boys in white.
Broons were down 3-1 in the first period, but came back with a goal
by Kimbal or CJ Young (forget who got the earlier of their goals).
Then it looked like Ray Bourque scored, but Cam Neely deflected it in
for his second goal to tie it at three.
As usual when I go to the Garden, it went to OT, and as usual when
I go to the Garden, the Bruins won it in OT, this time Rosie putting
home the winner. The play was made by Neely's hustle though.
This team has missed Neely. There were a lot of plays that he made
defensively that I don't think anyone else could have made. When he's
back 100%, look out.
And I swear, has anyone ever seen JD and Glenn Wesley together?????
'Saw
PS The blonde who is the program manager or floor manager or whatever
you call her (she's up in the booth with Derek and Fred, and seems
to run the show) is a 20 on a scale of 10 --- SHHHHAAAAA-WING!
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| 11.111 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Mar 01 1993 09:44 | 3 |
| Hey, Jake, you trying to tell us that Mario and his various injuries
and illnesses haven't been played up big time in Iron City?? Oh, yeah,
I forgot. You'ze guyz didn't even have a newspaper for months.
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| 11.112 | He's a showman, a thespian extraordinaire! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 01 1993 10:39 | 14 |
|
> Ulfie's a wuss. He uses his hokey stick like the Honkey Tonk Main
> used his guitar. He won't drop his gloves and settle matters like a *main*
> would.
Slash, the reference to the Honky Tonk Main is probably closer to da
troof than you think. No doubt it's not lost on Ulfie that his
cowardly act makes him famous (or infamous) while without it he'd just
be another decent hokey player. Got him a feature in last week's SI.
As Harry Sinden has said many times, you gotta give the public what
they want...
glenn
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| 11.113 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Let's not be L7... | Mon Mar 01 1993 11:52 | 6 |
| Glenn, we all know that Sports Illustrated is a Boston biased
magazine. Just axe JD. The pro-Boston conspiracy is everywhere.
Matter of fack it was probably Broons� fains who blew up the Trade
Center. Hey 'Saw were your seats better than the ones I got?
/Don
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| 11.114 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mama, turn your lamp down low | Mon Mar 01 1993 12:17 | 12 |
| > Glenn, we all know that Sports Illustrated is a Boston biased
> magazine. Just axe JD. The pro-Boston conspiracy is everywhere.
> Matter of fack it was probably Broons� fains who blew up the Trade
> Center. Hey 'Saw were your seats better than the ones I got?
Loge 2, Row 3, Seat 2.
Only better in that we were more towards center ice, and it's an area
where the players tend to mill around at face offs and such....
'Saw
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| 11.115 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Pessimists need kicked in the can't's | Mon Mar 01 1993 16:08 | 7 |
| Hey MAC, what, you been drinking or smoking something todya??
I get in here and already ya tried making two funnies!! VERY
uncharacteristic of you oh MtM, I'm beginning to get concerned.
JaKe
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| 11.116 | haw haw haw | FRETZ::HEISER | there's a Whacko in Waco | Mon Mar 15 1993 15:12 | 2 |
| I wonder what Po'T thinks about his "beloved" North Stars moving to
Dallas.
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| 11.117 | Unconfirmed however,.... | AKOCOA::PETERSON | Andy Kaufman in a wrestlin'match? | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:10 | 7 |
|
...UNCONFIRMED...
Just heard that GreAtsky was traded to the Maple leafs for draft picks.
...Mel
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| 11.118 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:11 | 3 |
| If true, how the mighty have fallen.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.119 | C_GSH_B | CSOA1::BACH | They who know nothing, doubt nothing... | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:58 | 1 |
| I guess Mrs. Greatone got a gig in Toronto or sumpthin'?
|
| 11.120 | The Great Who??? | WMOIS::FASSETT_E | | Tue Mar 23 1993 14:16 | 1 |
| I thought that the trading deadline was yesterday at 3:00 p.m.?
|
| 11.121 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Arsenio spotted with golf pants... | Tue Mar 23 1993 14:25 | 2 |
| It was, must have been a bogus rumor...
|
| 11.122 | | CAMONE::WAY | Shore,Brimsek,Orr,Bourque | Tue Mar 23 1993 15:41 | 18 |
| Whalers traded Murray Craven (age 28) to Vancouver yesterday for somebody
whose name I forget and a draft pick. They also traded Konroyd to
some other team (I forget who) for a draft pick.
Craven was a good player but considered old, and wasn't getting along
with Holmgren the coach, and Konroyd was just old.
Whalers are going to be tough in a few years when this crop of kids they
have mature......
And finally, did I mention that Paul Gilles makes Ulf look like an
alter boy?
'Saw
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| 11.123 | | SLEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue Mar 23 1993 16:12 | 5 |
| Saw,
Thats if the Whale does'nt get moved 1st.
-TH
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| 11.124 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Tue Mar 23 1993 16:29 | 4 |
| Craven's a good left winger. DaBroons� should've tried for
him. Maybe he makes too much money?
/Don
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| 11.125 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Arsenio spotted with golf pants... | Tue Mar 23 1993 16:45 | 2 |
| Konroyd went to da Wings. Didn't think Konroyd was old enough to go
there.
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| 11.126 | | CAM3::WAY | Shore,Brimsek,Orr,Bourque | Tue Mar 23 1993 17:04 | 34 |
| > Konroyd went to da Wings. Didn't think Konroyd was old enough to go
> there.
He was 30 I think.
Re the Whalers moving:
Things are really up in the air at this point. Gordon wants
a return on his investment, and is jacking up the ticket
prices another $3.
The Civic Center lease currently has no provision for him to
receive any portion of the concessions there.
There is talk of the State bailing out the team, similar to
what happened up in Winnepeg, eh? a couple of years ago.
I'm not a Whalers fan, but this is really pretty serious stuff.
Right now, just about the only downtown draw is the Whalers.
They are around 45% of the Civic Center's business, and without
them, downtown will probably die a slow death. (Well, they're
trying like hell to get Casino gambling in Hartford, but who
knows what will happen with that).
My taxes are gonna go up with Shamu the Governor (and Bill
"The Fat Man" Cibes as Treasurer) in office, so they might
as well bail out the Flounders for about three years, then
see if they've got a winning team going......
'Saw
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| 11.127 | | SLEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Mar 25 1993 15:29 | 8 |
|
Went to a hockey game the other night and a Suns vs. Knicks game broke
out............
Amazing.
-TH
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| 11.128 | | CAM3::WAY | Shore,Brimsek,Orr,Bourque | Thu Mar 25 1993 16:40 | 27 |
| > Went to a hockey game the other night and a Suns vs. Knicks game broke
> out............
>
> Amazing.
Jacques replies:
What are yoo talkin aboot dere? Where de hokey players
come from, dey build dem like real men, not like dose
tall, skinny, girly-mon men who fight like de sissies, eh?
Cameron replies:
Eh, you hoser, take off. Basketball players fighting like
real hockey men, eh? Never happen. All those hoops players
know aboot, eh, is slappin'. We had that Danny Ainge guy
playing baseball up here in Toronno, eh, and he was a sissy-boy
even then, eh. So, what are you talking about, you knob.....
This has been an equal opportunity, valuing differences, hockey message
from two diverse region of Canada (eh).
'Saw
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| 11.129 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | Pavel Bure ROOLZ! | Sun Mar 28 1993 19:42 | 16 |
|
Well here in da great white north, whee hockey roolz and Pavel Bure
roolz, the Sports Shows actually showed the Suns/Knicks bout on TeeVee
hilights.
And they loved it "Old Time Hockey" is what they called it. Of course,
to a man, they said KJ deserved a game misconduct, and he definitely
gave a weeney, unmanlike cheapshot. What ticked them off was that
after the elbow to Rivers, KJ doesn't stand over him like a main, but
trots off.
They also thought Greg Anthoney deserved Third Man In status....
Great fun, eh.
JD
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| 11.130 | | CAMONE::WAY | Shane, The Wonder Dog | Mon Mar 29 1993 09:06 | 9 |
| > Great fun, eh.
Eh, take off, JD_Hoser. How the hell are ya, eh? Being doing any
binging?
Coo-roo-coo-coo-coo-coo-coo-coo, Coo-roo-coo-coo-coo-coo-coo-coo!
'Saw
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| 11.134 | | MKFSA::LONG | I got friends in low places | Thu Apr 01 1993 09:34 | 15 |
| The new divisions are something like:
Eastern Conference
Northeast Division
Atlantic Division
Western Conference
Midwest Division
Western Division (not sure about this one)
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| 11.136 | | CAMONE::WAY | Shane, The Wonder Dog | Thu Apr 01 1993 10:47 | 12 |
| Also, the playoff format will resemble the NBA format, where
it's conference wide:
Team 1 vs Team 8
Team 2 vs Team 7
Team 3 vs Team 6
Team 4 vs Team 5
Which seems to be a little more fair.....
'Saw
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| 11.137 | | MKFSA::LONG | I got friends in low places | Thu Apr 01 1993 11:22 | 9 |
| Thanks for your help, Karen. I was going from memory. I read it
in this morning's paper over my Cocoa Puffs.
I seem to recall that each team from the East would play each other 5
times and each of the West teams twice. The West would play each
other 6 times. KInda makes the division breakup a moot point.
billl
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| 11.138 | | ROYALT::ASHE | And if you... just go ahead now | Thu Apr 01 1993 12:27 | 1 |
| Top teams in each division get 1 & 2 seeds automatically...
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| 11.139 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Thu Apr 01 1993 15:51 | 34 |
|
Actually Penguins will play each team in their division 5 teams, teams in
the Eastern Division 4 teams and teams in the Western Conference 2 teams
each.
The new playoff format is nice in 2 ways. First teams like Hartford the last
years would not get in because they happened to have a bad Quebec team in their
divsion while a better team from the other division was left out. Second it
will change the playoff matchups a bit so we won't have to see Buffalo-Boston
every single year.
Northeastern Division next year will definitely be the best of the bunch.
Penguins, Canadians, Bruins, Nordiques. I would guess that 5 teams from
the NE will make it and only 3 from the East.
re: playoff seeds.
The 2 division champs will get the 1 & 2 seeds. Other teams get 3-8.
Round 1. 1 vs 8
4 vs. 5
2 vs. 7
3 vs. 6
Then winner of 1-8 plays 4-5 and winner of 2-7 plays 3-6.
Home ice is still based on record so it is certainly possible that in
round2, the 3rd seed would have home ice over the 2nd seed; this would have
happened in the NBA a few years back when the Knicks won the Atlantic and got
the #2 seed, but Cleveland the #3 seed had a better record. Of course the Cavs
lost in the first round to Chicago so it became a moot point.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.140 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Thu Apr 01 1993 18:27 | 3 |
| Finally, the regular season has meaning.
Mark.
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| 11.141 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Thu Apr 01 1993 19:40 | 3 |
| How does it make the regular season that much more meaningful??
The Crazy Met
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| 11.142 | | CAM3::WAY | RIP #7 | Fri Apr 02 1993 09:34 | 19 |
| I think it makes the regular season more meaningful in a couple of ways.
First, it eliminates situations where you have a team like the Whalers
making the playoffs because of a bad Quebec team, while the 5th place
team in the Patrick had 20 more points than the Whalers. I think that's
really a pretty good thing.
Second, with the new divisional lineup, it's going to be good for the
TV aspect. While a network (say CBS) might not get a huge national
draw for a nationally televised game between LA and Montreal, they
probably will have a lot of regional interest in say Toronto-Detroit,
Pittsburgh-Buffalo, LA-Edmonton etc, so they could put on four
regional games. It's the first step towards a national TV contract.
All of that adds up to a more meaningful regular season.....
JMHO,
'Saw
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| 11.143 | | TWEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Fri Apr 02 1993 10:59 | 10 |
|
Now lets hope that Hockey does'nt turn into Fantasticball. Blecchh.
Looks like a good move, but I wish the would have kept the older
divisional names. I liked them. Bettman has accomplished more in 1 year
than ol Ziggy did in 15. WTF did Ziggey ever do anyway ?
-TH
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| 11.144 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Guess who just got back today... | Fri Apr 02 1993 11:01 | 4 |
| What does a typical sports fan (not necessarily a hockey fan) know what
those names mean or who they are? Not really. I think the new names
make more sense...
|
| 11.145 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Fri Apr 02 1993 11:04 | 5 |
| If they wanted to make the regular season meaningful they would
give the Division winners a first round bye. Quebec, Montr�al and
Boston would really be playing for something then.
/Don
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| 11.146 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Apr 02 1993 15:59 | 2 |
| I still can't believe the NHL is going to let a team call themselves
the Mighty Ducks.
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| 11.148 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Fri Apr 02 1993 16:52 | 7 |
| It's that kinder gentler NHL image that they want to portray.
No fighting, no hitting, the kind of stuff that sells in homes where
they eat Wonder Bread and watch Beverly Hills 90210. I hear where
the Broons� may change their name to the Pooh Bears and replace
the hubbed B on their jerseys with a jar of honey.
/Don
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| 11.149 | | SLEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Fri Apr 02 1993 17:08 | 12 |
| Re.-1
Sounds about right.
Except you forgot that they will ban Coaches Corner, and import more
European's.
Blue must be Howling in his grave.
_th
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| 11.150 | | CAMONE::WAY | Don't start me to talkin' | Tue Apr 06 1993 09:41 | 34 |
| Helluva game last night by the Whalers.
I was avoiding doing my taxes, so I was channel surfing and I came
across the Whalers game. They played a most excellent game in defeating
the Rangers 5-4.
The Rangers needed the game, and looked to be comfortably up 4-2 in the
third. But the Whalers scored three, including Verbeek's 36th goal
late in the game to win it for the Whalers.
The highlight of the year for the team has to be the performance of
Geoff Sanderson, who currently has 45 goals. I can't remember the
last time the Whalers had someone who scored that many for the club.
(Maybe Verbeek or Dineen).
Brian Burke has done a good job with this club. Mario Gosselin is looking
good in goal and I think that next year will be a better year for the
club. Especially if they pick up a monster defensemen. (btw, Zarley
Zalapski ACTUALLY looked like he knew what he was doing last night -- that's
a first).
I read something in Sunday's paper about the State and the Whalers negotiating
and I believe that the State got Gordon to agree NOT to negotiate to move
the club until the State could put some sort of relief package effort on the
table.
I have mixed feelings about this -- this state has enough problems without
trying to bail out the Whalers. On the other hand, without the Whalers,
a lot of the downtown area will basically shut down. If that's the case,
you'd better get the Casino -- otherwise, Hartford will be a ghost town....
'Saw
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| 11.151 | y | TWEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue Apr 06 1993 12:52 | 6 |
|
Looks like the Rangers are chocking before the get to the playoffs.
Getting rid of Nielson in January (?) was IMO a stupid move.
-TH
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| 11.152 | | TWEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue Apr 06 1993 12:52 | 3 |
|
Make tha Choking!
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| 11.153 | Latest Standings.... | CAMONE::WAY | Don't start me to talkin' | Wed Apr 07 1993 13:44 | 55 |
| Article 7814 of clari.sports.hockey:
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Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey
Subject: NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 22:39:39 PDT
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International
(All times EST)
Wales Conference
Patrick Division
W L T Pts. GF GA
y-Pittsburgh 53 21 6 112 343 253
Washington 40 32 7 87 310 273
NY Islanders 38 34 6 82 310 273
New Jersey 38 35 6 82 284 275
NY Rangers 34 33 11 79 294 282
Philadelphia 31 37 11 73 298 308
Adams Division
x-Boston 47 26 7 101 313 261
x-Montreal 47 27 6 100 317 266
x-Quebec 44 26 10 98 334 288
x-Buffalo 38 32 10 86 323 278
Hartford 24 49 5 53 261 346
Ottawa 9 66 4 22 190 372
Campbell Conference
Norris Division
W L T Pts. GF GA
x-Detroit 44 28 9 97 349 271
x-Chicago 43 25 11 97 263 219
x-Toronto 42 26 11 95 277 226
St. Louis 35 34 11 81 267 266
Minnesota 35 35 10 80 262 277
Tampa Bay 22 51 6 50 229 307
Smythe Division
x-Vancouver 42 28 9 93 319 253
x-Calgary 40 29 11 91 300 270
x-Los Angeles 37 33 10 84 323 322
x-Winnipeg 37 36 7 81 304 307
Edmonton 26 46 8 60 231 318
San Jose 11 68 2 24 212 402
x-clinched playoff berth
y-clinched division title
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| 11.154 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Apr 07 1993 13:57 | 2 |
| Wow, expansion team Tampa Bay is only 3 points behind the Whalers and
10 behind the Oilers.
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| 11.155 | That Esposito must be one helluva GM | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ComeToMiami-AndGiveUsYourMoney! | Wed Apr 07 1993 18:02 | 1 |
|
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| 11.157 | There's no Ranger note,sorry | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Thu Apr 08 1993 17:43 | 8 |
| Re: Ranger bashing
That started when Messier got Neilson fired as coach in January.
Real Ranger fans knew the season ended when Leetch slipped on the ice
and broke his ankle.
They have thrown in the towell. 53 years and counting. Anyway
Pittsburgh is unbeatable anyway.
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| 11.156 | Watch out for Tampa Bay next season | MACNAS::PRIDGE | Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup Finalists '92 | Fri Apr 09 1993 04:30 | 6 |
|
In fact with a bit more luck(they have beaten in a lot overtime games)
they would be up there with the Blues and Lone Stars challenging for
that final play off spot in the Norris .
Pat
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| 11.158 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ComeToMiami-AndGiveUsYourMoney! | Fri Apr 16 1993 17:38 | 36 |
| The end of the playoffs as we know them. Next year FantastikBall�
style takes over. I'm probably one of the few who liked the playoffs just
the way they are. The more arcane they make hokey� the better 'cuz it's
never going to replace watching cars go 'round in a circle 160 times with the
good ol' Bubbas down south anyway, and they only way yuppies and their kids
will go is if they take out hittin' and fightin' (all the stuff that makes
hokey� fun). Anyways my predictions (and if anybody is going to the
Broons�/Buffalo game Tuesday stop in downstairs at the Commonwealth
Brewery after six and we'll hoist a few to the last mainly sport).
Prince of Wales Conference
Adams Division
Broons� bop Buffalo in 5
Nords hammer Habs in 6
Patrick Division
Pengoons� pulverize Isles in 4
Capitals clip DEBILS� in 7.
Clarence Campbell Conference
Norris Division
Blackhawks bury Blues in 5
Wings wax Leafs in 6
Smythe Division
Canucks conquer Jets in 7
Kings finish Flames in 5
/Don
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| 11.159 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Be there when I feed the tree... | Fri Apr 16 1993 17:49 | 3 |
| I thought you said Indoor lacrosse was a mainly sport.... at least the
Knicks are trying to make hoops a mainly sport again...
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| 11.160 | Broons look jittery | CTHQ::LEARY | UNC:AnomalyOnHorizon;CHAMPEENSHIP | Sun Apr 18 1993 21:39 | 16 |
| Action so far..
Pittsburgh 6 NJ 3
NY Islanders 1 Washington 0 ( 2nd period)
Buffalo 2 Boston 1 ( 2nd period)
Montreal 1 Quebec 0 ( 2nd period)
St. Louis 4 Chicago 3
Los Angeles 6 Calgary 3
MikeL
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| 11.161 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Will u b there when I feed the tree... | Mon Apr 19 1993 01:20 | 2 |
|
Broons lose, 4-3 on OT.. goal by Bob Sweeney
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| 11.162 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | ABP | Mon Apr 19 1993 01:37 | 6 |
| heh, heh
Montreal lost to Quebec in OT. St. Louis beat Chicago 4-3.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.163 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ComeToMiami-AndGiveUsYourMoney! | Mon Apr 19 1993 22:09 | 39 |
| Ammended for Patrick Division. I forgot that this year was the
neverending regular season.
The end of the playoffs as we know them. Next year FantastikBall�
style takes over. I'm probably one of the few who liked the playoffs just
the way they are. The more arcane they make hokey� the better 'cuz it's
never going to replace watching cars go 'round in a circle 160 times with the
good ol' Bubbas down south anyway, and they only way yuppies and their kids
will go is if they take out hittin' and fightin' (all the stuff that makes
hokey� fun). Anyways my predictions (and if anybody is going to the
Broons�/Buffalo game Tuesday stop in downstairs at the Commonwealth
Brewery after six and we'll hoist a few to the last mainly sport).
Prince of Wales Conference
Adams Division
Broons� bop Buffalo in 5
Nords hammer Habs in 6
Patrick Division
Pengoons� pulverize DEBILS� in 4
Capitals clip Isles in 7.
Clarence Campbell Conference
Norris Division
Blackhawks bury Blues in 5
Wings wax Leafs in 6
Smythe Division
Canucks conquer Jets in 7
Kings finish Flames in 5
/Don
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| 11.164 | | FDCV07::KING | OH NO!!!! I'm a bubba!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Tue Apr 20 1993 09:45 | 12 |
| > <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
> -< SPORTS >-
>================================================================================
>Note 11.161 The National Hockey League (NHL) 161 of 163
>ROYALT::ASHE "Will u b there when I feed the tree..." 2 lines 19-APR-1993 00:20
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Broons lose, 4-3 on OT.. goal by Bob Sweeney
WHY CAN'T WE GET PLAYERS LIKE THAT?
REK
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| 11.165 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Twas a HUGE Texas Barbecue | Tue Apr 20 1993 22:08 | 7 |
| FACT: The teams that have won game two of a NHL playoff series go on
to win THAT series 74% of the time.
JaKe
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| 11.166 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Sun Apr 25 1993 15:02 | 18 |
| Watched last night's games. Gritty comeback by the Sabres. Da Broons
ran an adreneline high for the first period, but couldn't sustain it.
Last night's Quebec-Montreal game was the best game I've seen so far.
3-2 for the Habs. Fantastic hockey - all facets. Hextall was
fantastic in goal again. Roy was great. There was hitting and
great trench work (Hats off to Muller and the Benoit Bruneau line for
the Habs, hats off to Mats Sundin and Kaminski for the Deeks.)
Great end-to-end hockey - especially down the stretch.
Isles-Caps go to OT again. Caps blow 3-0 lead. Isles win THIRD
straight OT win. Methinks the Caps are toasted....
Debils up 1-0 in first.
JD
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| 11.167 | | CAMONE::WAY | I'd have had to miss the dance | Mon Apr 26 1993 09:57 | 10 |
| I was pleased that Ray Ferraro scored a game winning OT goal for the
Islanders. Just another in a long testament to the mistakes of
Ed Johnston.
If anyone has been watching the Islanders game, it looks like Ferraro
is wearing one of those #90, Dennis Byrd stickers on his helmet. Can
anyone confirm this for me?
'Saw
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| 11.168 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Tue Apr 27 1993 11:38 | 38 |
| Last nights Habs-Deeks game was another classic.
Deeks came out in the first period really hitting. Some strange
happenings in this game:
* Ramage of the Habs gets hit in the face with the puck - while he's
sitting on the bench - opens a HUGE cut - lots of blood
* Young lets fly with a slapshot, that goes by the Montreal net, and
goes THROUGH the glass by the goal judge - shatters glass. Goal judge
is removed from game due to injuries (cuts) to hand.
* TWO Muller goals are not allowed after rulings by replay. A third
Habs goal is allowed after replay.
* Patrick Roy gets hit with a slap shot in the shoulder, and goes down
like he's shot. He's shaken. He gives up a shakey goal and is
removed in the second period. Backk up goalie is a little shakey.
Momentum shifts to Nords. THey take the lead. Habs battle back,
as Ron Hextall looks shaky.
* Patrick Roy makes Don Cherry proud (If Jagr got hit like that, he'd
be out for a couple of years nursing the bruise...) and comes out to
play the 3rd period. Lets in a goal, and then closes the door.
* Habs tie it up 4-4 in the third. Head to OT>
* In OT, the Deeks swarm the Habs goal, and Patrick Roy plays the
best goaltending sequence I've seen in the playoffs. Non-stop action
in front of his goal. Matching penalties make it 4 on 4 skating -
whcih has favoured Deeks all series. Deeks keep pressure on - bt
Habs break out - Vinnie Damphouse makes a beauty of a pass to Muller,
who beat Hextall for the Habs Win.
Great game!
Oh Canada! JD
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| 11.169 | Canucks Fly Tonight! | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Tue Apr 27 1993 17:23 | 6 |
|
HOkey double-header tonight - Leafs (GO) vs. DeadWings, while
the soon to be Campbell champeens Canucks will ground the jets.
Tea-MOO Salami is daid meat! Pavel Bure adn Trevor Linden ROOLZ!
JD
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| 11.170 | NHL surprise team = Toronto???? | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Wed Apr 28 1993 09:59 | 0 |
| 11.171 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:07 | 11 |
|
Good game last night, both teams were up and down the ice. Goalies
looked a little suspect, a Pens offensive explosion would eat either of
these two for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Entertaining game though. That announcer for ESPN can't really call a
hockey game to well, IMO. I hate it when they start using Basketball
analogies to describe a hockey play. That just reassures your lack of
knowledge on the game of hockey.
-TH
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| 11.172 | | CAMONE::WAY | I'd have had to miss the dance | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:33 | 14 |
| Here's an observation:
It seems that the hip check is a rare animal indeed these days.
I can remember when Brad Park used to use the hip check as
as wicked awesome part of his arsenal. Nowadays, hardly
anyone does it.
Oh, the good old days, when you'd see a body fly high in the
air off a good old-fashioned, SOLID, hip check.....
'Saw
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| 11.173 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:41 | 19 |
|
Canucks losted to da Jets in OT lasted night. Canucks deserved
tolose. Up 3-1, they let Jets up off da rope. In OT, game winner had
Too-MOOOO Salami throw the puck out front, where it went off a Canucks
skate into the goal for the game winner.
TO Edmonton Thursday night.
Battle of Quebec, Round 6, tonight, CBC 4:40 PCT, Eh! Gotta love it!
Don Cherry got on Felix Potvins' case after the first period lasted
night, said someone needed to throw cold water in his face to wake him
up. Must have worked. Showed the Mark Howe Slash on Doug Gilmor in
Game 4. Gilmour was back playing. As Don says, A Jagr be'd out for
a month crying crocky tears..
"League's turning into a hackers league, hack, hack, hac..."
JD
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| 11.174 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Wed Apr 28 1993 12:07 | 5 |
|
Toronto was a surprise in the regular season. But any team that gets 100
points, or close to it, in a season can hardyl be called a surprise.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.175 | | MKFSA::LONG | If you get there before I do | Wed Apr 28 1993 12:13 | 5 |
| But, then again, we all know that the "regular season" has absolutly
no meaning whatsoever.
billl
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| 11.176 | | MKFSA::LONG | If you get there before I do | Wed Apr 28 1993 12:14 | 5 |
| er, execpt for Ranger fans since that's all they played this year.
billl
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| 11.177 | At least we won more than the Sutters | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 14:31 | 4 |
| Number 3 seed to play the Number 4 seed in the Norris? Sounds typical
to me... GO WINGS!!!
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| 11.178 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:20 | 5 |
|
Toronto is hardly your typical #3 seed.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.179 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:38 | 1 |
| Compared to say who, Montreal?
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| 11.180 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:45 | 9 |
|
This was a wierd year in which 6 or 7 teams had 100+ points. I doubt this
has ever happened before. Very often the difference between the #2 and
#3 seed is fairly large with the #2 closer to the #1 and #3 closer to #4.
This year there are 2 top #2 vs #3 matchups, and the Isles - Caps are real
close. So a #3 winning any of these series is not a real surprise.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.181 | To put the Rangers' *losing* season in proper perspective | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:51 | 13 |
|
> This was a wierd year in which 6 or 7 teams had 100+ points. I doubt this
> has ever happened before.
No great surprise, with the loss-sucking vacuum that the expansion
franchises and the Hartford Whalers create. The teams at the top
didn't get better, they just picked up a bunch more free wins. And
the NHL is going to add two *more* teams under the same expansion
rules? They're getting very close to the point where 80% of the teams
are "quality" .500 or better franchises...
glenn
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| 11.182 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:54 | 5 |
|
Yeah expansion surely had a lot to do with it. I think that in the NL
on 1961 8 of 10 teams playe .500 or better.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.183 | Any update?? | AD::HEATH | The jinx is broken, Sox '93 Champs | Thu Apr 29 1993 07:33 | 12 |
|
Any word on the condition of Turrgeon (#77) from the Islanders? That
goon looser Hunter gave the puck up in his own end and Turrgeon burried
it to make it 5-1. The Caps came back to make it 5-3 but that was as
close as they got. ESPN never gave and injury report. He was taken
off the ice with his shoulder in one of those braces that wrap around
your chest. It appeared to be a dislocation. If he is out for the
'goons series the leauge should kick this idiot out. A few years ago
he did the same thing to Janney in the playoffs.
Jerry
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| 11.184 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Apr 29 1993 10:02 | 8 |
|
On the cheapshot scale that was a 10 ! best one I have seen in awhile
with Hunter Blindsiding Pierre, and boarding him his shoulder is
definetly of the seperated catagory. Standard NHL brawl after that with
Hunter getting the gate. WTF was he thinking anyway ?
-TH
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| 11.185 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Apr 29 1993 10:28 | 17 |
|
Turgeon looks like he's out for the playoffs, according to the report I
heard this morning...
I thought the goon shot by Dale Hunter was just Don Cherry non-European-
rock-star-wannabe-sissy-boy hokey at its finest? I'm sorry, it's still
the after-the-whistle stuff that plagues this game. It's fun in that
fake WWF way until someone gets seriously injured and his team
penalized for the rest of the playoffs.
Hunter should get a half a season suspension. 10 games doesn't get it
done. And those ESPN clowns were half-apologizing for Hunter all the
while, saying that it was just all of his great qualities (hates to
lose, intense competitor) momentarily gone out of control...
glenn
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| 11.186 | | CTHQ::LEARY | I don't do ND spandex | Thu Apr 29 1993 10:37 | 12 |
| Hunter, taking away his goonism, can be a quality hokey player, but
his cheapshots are legend. He makes Ulfie look like a wannabee.
Turgeon has the separated shoulder and is out definitely for their
nexted series( Pitt) which unfortunately for the Islanders and Turgeon,
should mean the end of the season.
And Hunter deserves at least 30 games, but he'll get the obligatory
wrist slap 10. What a joke.
MikeL
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| 11.187 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Thu Apr 29 1993 10:49 | 4 |
| Concussion plus separated shoulder. Out 4-6 weeks. Looked like one
of my shots I give someone in Sega Genesis NHL hokey. Unbelievable
cheap shot. He needs to feel lighter in the pocket. Wouldn't be
surprised if he could be brought up on assault charges...
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| 11.188 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Apr 29 1993 10:55 | 14 |
|
Hunter is a good hockey player, when he wants to be. Heck he's even got
7 goal in 6 games for the playoffs. More than the Bruins scored in a
series with the Sabres.
He seems to like to be Public Enemey #1 though. When he was with the
Nords, They had him playing the team goon on every shift. With the Caps
he seems to get alot of playing time, plays well, then reverts back to
his goon tacktics when needed. Definetly should be bopped for this
cheapshot. 30 games minimun. That Janney ice facial he gave to Craig
was a classic.
-TH
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| 11.189 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Thu Apr 29 1993 11:49 | 31 |
| Well, now for today's report from the Land Where Hockey is King:
The number one topic on all the news reports is the reprehensible cheap
shot deliver3d by Dale Hunter on Turgeon last night. Hunter is being
called the worst things possible. As the CBC Anchor Lady said this
morning, "It's one thing to be big and tough - hockey is a tough game -
but what Hunter did wasn't big, nor tough - it was cowardly, dastardly,
and an unforgiveable cheap shot."
No one has even tried to give an excuse about frustration, etc...all
eyes and ears are waiting Don Cherry's commentary on it tonight - Dale
Hunter is one of Cherry's favorite players.
So the Isles have to face the Pengoons without Turgeon. A tough task
is made that much tougher.
IN the battle for Quebec, the Habs beat the Deeks 6-2, as Depietro
became the first Hab since Mike Mcphee to score a hat trick in the
playoffs.
Ron Hextall was shakey, constantly flopping - as the announcer said he
was "Beaten upstairs where Norman keeps his mum..." (Love that line!)
Habs fans where singing Nananananana AurRevoir with 10 minutes left...
Roy looked sharp again.
Tonight, Canucks at WInterpeg, trying to end the series in front of
"White Noise" - the loud Jets fans.Canucks/Kings and Leafs/ WIngs also.
JD
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| 11.190 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Thu Apr 29 1993 12:01 | 4 |
| That's RPI grad, Mike McPhee to those of you out there...
Ooh, even the Anchor Lady got a shot in at Dale...
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| 11.191 | | CAM3::WAY | on a magic carpet ride... | Thu Apr 29 1993 12:09 | 6 |
| I like that line about being "beaten upstairs where Norman keeps his mum".
Sounds like classic stuff, eh?
'Saw
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| 11.192 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Thu Apr 29 1993 12:45 | 5 |
|
In my worst nightmares I never thought I would root for the Islanders in
any game, much less a playoff series. I guess some nightmares do come true.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.193 | I'm a Rang..,no Dev..,no Islan..,er Sabre feign? | CTHQ::LEARY | I don't do ND spandex | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:00 | 8 |
| C'mon Craze,
As a Ranger fan, I'd a thunk you jumped on both the 16W and Nassau
teams bandwagons. How the hail you think these teams got their
feigns in the firsted place?
8^)
MikeL
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| 11.194 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:06 | 8 |
|
Never!!! Most Rangers fans LOATHE the Islanders. Most Islanders fans LOATHE
the Rangers. Fans of both teams are pretty much indifferent to the DEVILS.
People like Chappy can relate to the situation I find myself in; he probably
had this dilemma during the 1986 World Series.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.195 | just curious... | MKFSA::LONG | If you get there before I do | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:09 | 9 |
| re: Hunter
Has there ever been an instance where criminal charges have been
brought against a hockey player for on-ice actions? Off-ice I've
heard of people being charged with assault for doing a good deal
less.
billl
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| 11.196 | Than Again the Mets really aint organized.:-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | MR INFORMER..LICKY LICKY BOOM BOOM DOWN | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:16 | 8 |
|
No dilemma TCC,
My hatred for the Red Sox is much greater than my hatred
of any other organized sports team.
Chappy
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| 11.197 | | CAM3::WAY | on a magic carpet ride... | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:23 | 16 |
| > No dilemma TCC,
>
> My hatred for the Red Sox is much greater than my hatred
> of any other organized sports team.
Chappy,
You really ought to see someone about that problem. Finding a way
past your hatred, and viewing the world with an open and loving mind
will enrich your life as a person.....
hth,
'Saw
[many, many, 8^)]
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| 11.198 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:38 | 11 |
| I find myself facing TCM's dilema. Only teams I can't stand more than
the Damn Islanders are the PenGoons and their Faux Fans and the Broons.
So I guess I have to hope for the Isles to do it.
Habs over Sabres in 6.
Leafs beat Wings, then have St. Louis feeling Blue.
Canucks spank Jets, Kings douse Flames, then Canucks Abdicate Kings.
JD
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| 11.199 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:39 | 10 |
| Saw -
I am not making this up, but the Headline in the Vancouver Providence
was:
"CANADIANS, EH"
Classic stuff - and worth saving.
\
JD
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| 11.200 | Yer unner arrest? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:41 | 12 |
|
Yabbut I dunno if'n a hokey player was ever tried of assault but I
think there were 1 or maybe 2 players arrested for it.
Didn't Kevin White, a mayor of Boston, in the early 80's, put cops in
da Garden with orders to arrest hokey players if they fought or
somethang like that?
I remain,
really not knowing,
Kev
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| 11.201 | too funny | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Thu Apr 29 1993 14:05 | 4 |
| Kathy Petrie stated in CELTICS this morning that the new Toronto NBA
franchise should be called the:
"Toronto Ehs"
|
| 11.202 | Dave Forbes incident | CTHQ::LEARY | I don't do ND spandex | Thu Apr 29 1993 14:27 | 12 |
| I believe a Broon in the late 70's or early 80's, Dave Forbes was
indicted for spearing a Minnesota NoStar. That spear hit (Dennis
Polonich?) in the eye, causing some damage and eventually ending his
career. At least I thunk it was like dat.
And the most infamous on-ice confrontation, the Wayne Maki-Ted Green
stick swinging incident from which Green was lucky just to have a
fractured skull ( some minimal brain damage), did not result in any
criminal indictments.
MikeL
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| 11.203 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Thu Apr 29 1993 14:34 | 3 |
| It was Henry Boucha of the Stars or the RedWings that Forbes nailed
with a stick.
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| 11.204 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu Apr 29 1993 14:41 | 9 |
|
The Hansons where arrested of the Charlestown Chiefs.
Horrible incedent it was.
Charging somebody with assault while participating in a sporting event
sounds like Cambridge, Ma. democrats at their finest.
-TH
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| 11.205 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Boston Broons� - JuggerNOT | Thu Apr 29 1993 15:03 | 14 |
| I watched the Quebec/Montreal game on the Shearbrooke station
last night and before the game they were showing clips of the series
and playing the theme song from "Rocky" in the background. It was
so bad it was funny.
WALES CONFERENCE
Adams Division Finals. Buffalo over Montreal in 6.
Fantastic Fuhr Frustrates Flying Frenchmen.
Patrick Division Finals. PittsburgH over Long Island in 4.
Punishing Pengoons Pound Pseudo New Yorkers.
/Don
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Subject: Islanders' Turgeon knocked out of next round
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UNIONDALE, N.Y. (UPI) -- New York Islanders center Pierre Turgeon
likely will miss the Patrick Division finals after suffering a
separated
right shoulder and a concussion in Wednesday night's 5-3 victory over
the Washington Capitals in Game 6 of the Patrick semifinals.
Turgeon was blindsided by Washington's Dale Hunter after Turgeon
scored with 8:31 left in the third period to give the Islanders a 5-1
lead. Hunter skated up from behind and rammed Turgeon into the boards,
triggering a melee that resulted in 65 minutes in penalties.
Turgeon was motionless on the ice for several minutes before helped
to the locker room.
The 23-year-old Turgeon sustained a grade three shoulder separation
and will be re-evaluated Thursday, according to Islanders Coach Al
Arbour, who predicted that Turgeon will miss the upcoming Patrick
finals
against the Pittsburgh Penguins.
``If that wasn't a blatant cheap shot, what was?'' said Arbour, who
was highly critical of the officiating in Washington's 6-4 victory in
Game 5 on Monday.
NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman attended Wednesday's game and
summoned
Hunter to a hearing in New York Thursday. Hunter, who was ejected,
pleaded ignorance.
``Turgeon was going in and I chased him,'' Hunter said. ``I didn't
see the puck go in and I didn't know he had scored. If I could take it
back, I would. I regret it and I regret it because he scored.''
Turgeon, who finished sixth in the league in scoring with 132
points
during the regular season, said he hoped Bettman would take action
against Hunter, though the Capitals are done for the season.
``It was a cheap shot,'' Turgeon said. ``I didn't expect anybody to
hit me after the play.''
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| 11.207 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Apr 29 1993 16:24 | 15 |
|
I is an unabashed and unashamed PenGoons FauxFeign! Go 'Goons!
> ``Turgeon was going in and I chased him,'' Hunter said. ``I didn't
> see the puck go in and I didn't know he had scored. If I could take it
> back, I would. I regret it and I regret it because he scored.''
Haw haw haw! This sounds exactly like something a 'rassler would say.
There was no puck anywhere near Turgeon, he had his stick in his air,
was on one skate and pumping his fist in celebration. But Hunter had
"no idea"...
glenn
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| 11.208 | from under the mattress - a secret! ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Apr 29 1993 16:28 | 14 |
|
Yabbut I never liked da Rangers. I allus liked da Islanders but at one
time I'd bet that before ther were Islanders, all da fans were for da
Rangers. Then the Islanders came into existence, followed by their
fans.
Does that mean they was Wardlevaning?
I cain root for the Islanders. so there!
I remain,
proud of my roots but no way will go back to be-in a Noo Yawkah!
Kev
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| 11.209 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Thu Apr 29 1993 16:30 | 5 |
|
The Islanders actually drew on a base of fans in Long Island that did not
follow hockey that much when the only hockey team in town was the Rangers.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.210 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Drink Canada Dry....I'm trying | Thu Apr 29 1993 17:13 | 6 |
| I don't think that Don Cherry will have a favourable thing to say about
Hunter's hit. He surprised me the other day by saying he likes the
rule where you can't hit the opposing player that touches the puck
after an icing call.
pete
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| 11.211 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Apr 29 1993 17:17 | 7 |
| � Charging somebody with assault while participating in a sporting event
� sounds like Cambridge, Ma. democrats at their finest.
Think again. I know of a few cases far removed from Cambridge, MA
where civil suits (not sure of the criminal) were won in a case of
assault during a sporting event. There are some things that are just
too far.
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| 11.212 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Apr 29 1993 17:56 | 9 |
|
Yabbut like MtM says, doncha remember the one about the guy in Oz
who got 6 months in the slammer for squeezing a_opposing rugby
players filbert?
I remain,
wereing a steel cup around those ruggers!
Kev
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| 11.213 | | CAMONE::WAY | on a magic carpet ride... | Thu Apr 29 1993 18:15 | 18 |
| > Yabbut like MtM says, doncha remember the one about the guy in Oz
> who got 6 months in the slammer for squeezing a_opposing rugby
> players filbert?
This case has intrigued me for a while. I mean, how can they prove it?
There was one case in the United States of a rugger, who played for a team
in New York I believe (forget which one) who was arrested and charged
with kicking the face of an opposing player in. (Mac, I read about it
in rugby world a couple of years ago -- the player was from upstate
somewhere I think).
Anyway, I don't remember the outcome of the criminal stuff, but the player
was banned from rugby for life.
'Saw
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| 11.214 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Fri Apr 30 1993 13:19 | 52 |
| Today's Molson Mockey Night in Canada Report:
Da Canucks out-sortied the Jets in Overtime lasted night at the "White
House" in Winterpeg, 4-3, on Greg Adams 2nd goal of the night. Canucks
came back from 3 1-goal deficits in this one. And it was anohter
stragnge game. THREEE video reviews of Canucks goals - 2 were
disalloowed, and the other was allowed.
Canucks had the game won in regulations, as Sergio Mamesso scored with
under a sedon left. However, the video officials ruled the reply
inconclusive deciding if time had run out, and disallowed the game
winner. On replay shots with the clock, it appeared the goal was
scored with 2/10's of a second left...
The Canucks move on to play the LA Kings, who ravaged the Flames 9-6 -
the Kings scored 18 goals in the last two games. The Kings defense
and goal tending will have to shore up if the Kings are to go any
further.
The DeadWings whipped the Leafs in Toronto 7-0-3, as 4 power play and
two short handed goals handed Pat Burns' squad a crushing defeat.
Only opening round playoff series to go seven.
And now for the Don Cherry Report:
Don waxed poetic abou the "Battle For Quebec", and praised Jacques
Demers coaching. Said series like that prove why Canadians are the
greates Hockey plyers in the world
On Dale Hunter, Don was straight: "It was wrong, and Dale knows it was
wrong."
Cherry questioned Turgeon's injury - wondering if he was pulling a
Mario (refeerence to the playoff ending injury Mario 'suffered' last
year on Graves' slash - if you remember, it was, as Cherry said at the
time, a smokescreen). Said Hunter will be made a sacrificial lamb.
CCherry then ripped into Ray Ferrero - who called Hunter a Jerk.
Cherry said "Oh, and what about big Ray Ferraro? There he is, in the
safety of the dressing room, calling Dale Hunter a jerk. Think Ray
Ferraro would call Dale Hunter a Jerk to his face? I doubt it. What
would Ray do to Dale anyway - peck him to death with his visor???"
None of the Canadian announcer� are buying Hunt�r;s line about "no�
knowi�ng that Tu�geon sc�red....
No reports for�a few �ays.....
��D
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| 11.215 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Boston Broons� - JuggerNOT | Fri Apr 30 1993 13:26 | 8 |
| In the Clarence Campbell Conference's Smythe Division Finals
I like the Canucks to clip the Kings in 7. And being a proponent
of the "hot goalie can beat a better team" theory I like Curtis
Joseph to make either the Red Wings or Maple Leafs sing the Blues.
Hey JD, I don't think Hunter is so tough myself when he doesn't
have that stick in his hand and he ain't behind you.
/Don
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| 11.216 | | CAMONE::WAY | Are you Master of your domain? | Fri Apr 30 1993 13:37 | 24 |
| > winner. On replay shots with the clock, it appeared the goal was
> scored with 2/10's of a second left...
This brings up some interesting arguments.
I was under the impression that the red light will not go on if the time
has run out. If the red light came on, then bingo, it's a goal.
But, how quickly can the goal judge push the button?
I remember in the 1972 Olympics, when they first had the computerized
starting blocks, Valery Borzhov was getting such a quick start that the
blocks were claiming he was false starting. Evidently the blocks were
set to .75 seconds. Anything less than that from the time the start
signal was received was deemed a false start.
Okay, not a goal judge is not having to move an entire body, just his
thumb, and the reaction time from having seen the goal to pressing the
button. Can he do this in less than .2 seconds?
Hmmmmmm,
'Saw
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NHL's Bettman on spot over Hunter cheap shot
His thought process paralyzed by a bout of temporary insanity as
his Washington Capitals neared another early playoff exit, Dale ``I ought
to be in jail'' worked himself into a hallucinatory state whereupon he
thought he himself was Dale Earnhardt firing out of a turn at the
Talladega 500.
Just as the NHL tries to clean up its act to attract a larger
following, Hunter's cheap shot of the year once again gives the sport a
major black eye. And new NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman is going to have
to make a statement.
Bettman's announcement Thursday that Hunter would be suspended
``indefinitely'' means nothing. The Capitals and Hunter are through for
the season anyway. All it means is that Bettman gave himself time to
make a very important ruling.
For a brief recap: Turgeon, who led his New York Islanders with 132
points this season, stole the puck away from Hunter and scored midway
through the third period Wednesday to give his club a 5-1 victory that
insured the Islanders would capture the first-round Patrick Division
semifinal series, 4-2. Turgeon watched his shot go in, then turned and
skated away as he pumped his fist into the air in celebration. A
wonderful TV highlight.
But Hunter, apparently in a fit of rage although he has pleaded
ignorance, sped up in hot pursuit and blindsided Turgeon, slamming him
into the boards. The hit and ensuing brawl instead became the highlight
used on television newscasts around the world that night, an all-too-
familiar NHL scene.
Turgeon suffered a separated shoulder, and his playoffs are over.
The Islanders next meet the two-time defending Stanley Cup champion
Pittsburgh Penguins and don't figure to be around much longer than four
or five games.
Barring another miracle on ice, the Islanders will soon be long
forgotten. But Bettman is going to have to make sure Hunter's hit is
not.
With the Islanders' Game 6 victory beamed to more viewers than ever
before on the NHL's expanded TV deal this year, there couldn't possibly
be a worse display of poor sportsmanship.
It's a good thing Gil Stein still isn't in charge. Hunter would
probably have gotten off with a fine and suspension from training camp.
If the Ziegler Follies still was playing, there'd by no comment from
the league, only the brushing sounds of the matter being swept under the
table.
But here stands Bettman, who in his brief stint in charge of the
league has pledged to make it a better hockey world for you and for me.
He had a rinkside seat for the brutal mugging and immediately summoned
Hunter to New York for a hearing.
``Unwarranted, unsportsmanlike and excessive conduct will not be
accepted,'' the league commissioner said on Thursday after suspending
Hunter ``indefinitely'' pending further review. ``We want to to send a
clear message that the National Hockey League will not tolerate such
behavior.''
Why further review then?
``The shortness of the time after the game made me honor the Capitals
request for an opportunity to examine what had happened, to get over the
emotion of being eliminated and to make a presentation,'' Bettman said.
``The league will also have an opportunity to review the medical records
on Turgeon.''
The announcement of the duration of Hunter's suspension will be made
by the end of next week, the league said.
When word comes down, Gary, the hockey world won't be the only one
watching.
|
| 11.218 | Do they see thru Cherry's act up there, or do people buy it? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Apr 30 1993 18:21 | 17 |
|
> Cherry questioned Turgeon's injury - wondering if he was pulling a
> Mario (refeerence to the playoff ending injury Mario 'suffered' last
> year on Graves' slash - if you remember, it was, as Cherry said at the
> time, a smokescreen). Said Hunter will be made a sacrificial lamb.
Didn't Mario have a broken hand and miss most of the Rangers' series--
or was all that a ruse perpetrated to lull the Rangers into
complacency, which only The Great Don Cherry has the inside dope on?
In any case, I fail to see what the extent of the injury has to do with
the penalty. That's the old "eye for an eye" mentality. The Capitals
season is over; why would Turgeon need to "fake" a concussion and
separated shoulder?
glenn
|
| 11.219 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Mon May 03 1993 10:19 | 12 |
|
Funny how baseball brawls seem to be "part of the game" and nobody gets
worked up over that. Or how about the windmill beefs in a basketball
game. No Biggie. Hockey, on the other hand is filled with neandrathals
that will mugg you at every chance.
It's a shame.
-TH
P.S. The Hunter incident was uncalled for and should be handled with an
appropriate suspension.
|
| 11.220 | Geez, maybe because they almost never happen? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon May 03 1993 10:30 | 21 |
|
> Funny how baseball brawls seem to be "part of the game" and nobody gets
> worked up over that.
Might have something to do with the fact that if you follow a team for
an entire season, over a full 162 games, you might see one or two
fights, tops. And even rarer someone being attacked from behind. Even
with fights in baseball as frequent as they've ever been (due to overly
sensitive batters), they're still rare enough that you'll see every
single one on SportsCenter and still have time left over for game
highlights...
Of course baseball doesn't have a designated "spokesman" like Don
Cherry, who believes Pierre Turgeon is faking it, and also says that
Turgeon should have known who was on the ice before celebrating his
goal (since when haven't hockey players showboated after every goal?).
Don Cherry is a bigger jerk than I thought previously. Oops, I just
called Don Cherry a jerk. I bet I wouldn't do that to his face...
glenn
|
| 11.221 | | GENRAL::WADE | I reckon so..... | Mon May 03 1993 10:59 | 7 |
|
glenn,
"Overly sensitive batters"? Ha! I'd be sensitive too if
somebody hurled a baseball at my ear at about 90 mph..... :*)
Claybone
|
| 11.222 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Mon May 03 1993 11:20 | 19 |
|
One or two fights tops ? I think maybe there's more than that. Granted,
I Don't have stats, but in baseball if a fight breaks out it seems to
me that it gets shrugged off. In hockey it's another black eye for the
sport.
Call a spade a spade. A fight is a fight, is a fight. Whether it's
Hoops, hockey or baseball.
Take Don Cherry for what he's worth, an entertainer. Personally I like
him and his show, but he's a clown and a throwback to the era of a
league thats been dead for quite some time. I'm sure Bettman will have
the NHL in everyone's living room an a few years. We can look forward
to pampered millionare players, ref's that favor a select few, and rules
tailor made for our viewing pleasure. Geez sounds like the NBA. I can't
wait.
-TH
|
| 11.223 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon May 03 1993 11:21 | 9 |
| � Funny how baseball brawls seem to be "part of the game" and nobody gets
� worked up over that. Or how about the windmill beefs in a basketball
� game.
Baseball brawls are few and far between and I've never heard them
referred to as being "part of the game". In case you missed it, the
NBA has now issued an automatic ejection and a 1 game suspension
without pay for anyone throwing a punch in the playoffs. The penalty
is increased to a 1-5 game suspension if the punch lands.
|
| 11.224 | 61 saves in the game!!!11 | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Tue May 04 1993 11:48 | 6 |
| re: Leaves vs Blues
Wow - Curtis, Joseph was hot lasted night. It's a real tribute to Toronto's
initiative to hang in there, and pull one out in OT.
=Bob=
|
| 11.225 | | ROYALT::ASHE | That's the way love goes... | Tue May 04 1993 14:17 | 5 |
| Hunter verdict:
Suspended for pre-season and first 21 (25%) of the regular season.
Capitals fined $150,000
|
| 11.226 | | MKFSA::LONG | If you get there before I do | Tue May 04 1993 14:23 | 10 |
| >> Hunter verdict:
>>
>> Suspended for pre-season and first 21 (25%) of the regular season.
>> Capitals fined $150,000
IMO, that ain't 'nuff. The $150,000 oughta come outa Hunter's pocket.
billl
|
| 11.227 | | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR1-4/E13 237-2468 | Tue May 04 1993 14:25 | 7 |
| I think it does. Instead of paying Hunter, the Capitals pay the
league.
Hunter can't practice with the team until 2 weeks before he comes
back. No preseason either.
Mike
|
| 11.228 | | ROYALT::ASHE | That's the way love goes... | Tue May 04 1993 15:20 | 5 |
| No,
The Caps got fined $150K PLUS Hunter gets his salary for the first 21
games (around the same amount I think) lifted from his wallet. Maybe
it's not both...
|
| 11.229 | | ROYALT::ASHE | That's the way love goes... | Wed May 05 1993 10:50 | 3 |
| It is both. The Caps have to match the money lost by Hunter during his
suspension.
|
| 11.230 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Thu May 06 1993 11:43 | 38 |
| Molson Hockey Night Report:
Another absolute fantastic Hockey Game lasted night between the Blues
and the Leafs. Blues win in double overtime 2-1! Curtis Joseph just
keeps on ticking - he had about 60 saves again - some bordered on the
miraculous. Incredible end-to-end action, with lots of clean checking
and some borderline checking. Here in B.C., they cut away before O.T.
to show Canucks/Kings, but da French station showed the O.t ALLOWING ME
TOwatch it even though I didn't understand what they said.
The Kings spanked the Canucks 6-3, behind the play of Wayne Gretzky.
Sheer poetry. No one passes like Gretzky. No one. Series tied at
1-1. After watching the Blues/Leafs, this game was a monumental
letdown.
Don Cherry Report:
Cherry wore a purple crushed velvet suit last night, setting the tone
for his Coaches Corner. Don waxed poetic about the Leafs and the
Habs, and also had more to say on the Dale Hunter incident.
Cherry said that it isn't the cheapshot or the play - its who you do it
to and where it happens. Seems Bettman and the league had to decide
wheter or not ANderson of the Leafs was to be suspended due to some
stcik work. But up to an hour before game time, they hadn't made a
decesion. Cherry said that's because, "Hey Gary, I know how tough it
is for you to come up here, you know, to this foreign nation - Canada -
but hey Gary, you think you could have called Pat Burns up and let him
know a little earlier..." Cherry wondered if it was another player
other tan Turgeon if Hunter would have gotten the penaltyhe did. Also,
he noted how Hunter is taking it like a man and no whining...
Tonight: Sabrees/Habs Yippeeeeee
JD
|
| 11.231 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Thu May 06 1993 15:11 | 6 |
|
I was fortunate enough to get home in time for the first OT between
Toronto and St. Louis. Wonderful hockey. Some great saves on both ends.
Too bad that game had to end.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.232 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Fri May 07 1993 11:13 | 6 |
| Hockey report:
Habs WIN in OT!!! 3-0. Moligny breaks leg -ouch. ROy doesn't blink,
butFuhr does...
JD
|
| 11.233 | Oh, yea, they're still playing hokey... | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Fri May 07 1993 17:42 | 7 |
| � Habs WIN in OT!!! 3-0. Moligny breaks leg -ouch. ROy doesn't blink,
� butFuhr does...
Only saw a little, but Roy did look pretty awesome. Also, a great all around
play on the winning goal.
=Bob=
|
| 11.234 | | FDCV06::KING | Jessinator attacks Disney, film @11 | Sat May 08 1993 22:26 | 4 |
| What's the record of overtime games in the NHL in post-season...
I think this makes 5 out of 8 for Buffalo...
REK
|
| 11.235 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Sun May 09 1993 16:45 | 27 |
|
Les Habs sweep Buffalo, as Kirk Muller does it again. Don Cherry
summed it up by saying Buffalo had no hunger in this series - seemed
like they were satisfied to make it out of the first round. He
still says the Habs 8 straight wins can be attributed to Jacques
Demers sticking with Roy after the first two Quebec games, when
Roy let in some easy ones, and the French press was calling for
Roy to be benched. He's been great ever since.
Dale Hawerchuck played a gutsy game for the Sabres, who were with
out Mogilny and Lafountaine.
Islanders beat Pengoons to tie series 2-2. Cherry says Arbour has the
Isles believing they can beat the 'Goons. Also, in the regular
season,
the Isles played the Goons tough, with Pits only outscoring the Isles
26-21.
Meanwhile, Sherman and Peabody have set the wayback machine to the
mid 80's and resurrected one Wayne Gretzky. he's Baaaack. And he's
playing his best hockey in yearz. Turns out he suffered a cracked
rib in Game 1 vs. Calgary, but hasn't missed any time. No Jagr is
he.
Blue/Leafs today (1-1) lasted I heard. Canucks/Kings tonight.
JD
|
| 11.236 | | APPLE::FRANCUS | ABP | Sun May 09 1993 22:11 | 6 |
|
The record for OT games in a season for Stanley Cup Playoffs has
already been surpassed.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.237 | | CAMONE::WAY | Glamour!?!?!? | Mon May 10 1993 09:49 | 5 |
| Correct, sir.
To date, there have been 19 such games.....
'Saw
|
| 11.238 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Mon May 10 1993 11:29 | 9 |
|
Canucks spanked da Kings lasted night 7-2. Curtis Joseph becomes
mortal, as da Leafs beat da Blues 4-1.
Tonight, the Pengoons vs. the Islunders.
Must admit that a Montreal/Toronto final would be my dreem matchup.
JD
|
| 11.239 | | MKFSA::LONG | HEY! I ain't 40.....yet | Mon May 10 1993 11:34 | 9 |
| >> Must admit that a Montreal/Toronto final would be my dreem matchup.
>> JD
Hey JD, may your dreams NOT come true!
billl
|
| 11.240 | Kingz Rool ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | The Gates of Delirium | Mon May 10 1993 11:49 | 6 |
| Still can't believe that Montreal defenseman left his man to move
a loose helmet, allowing the Sabres to tie it ...
These are the best playoffs I've seen in years. Go KINGS !
- acp
|
| 11.241 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ESPengoon�N | Mon May 10 1993 13:47 | 5 |
| ABC's has to be drooling over the prospect of a PenGoons�/Kings
Stanley Cup Final. And maybe (with a little help from their friends)
it can happen.
/Don
|
| 11.242 | | ROYALT::ASHE | That's the way love goes... | Mon May 10 1993 14:53 | 1 |
| Or Vancouver-Montreal
|
| 11.243 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Mon May 10 1993 15:41 | 4 |
|
ABC does not have any of the Stanley Cup Finals, they are all on ESPN.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.244 | Same thing Craze, ABC owns ESPengoon�N. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ESPengoon�N | Mon May 10 1993 16:54 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.245 | Hokey night in Canada Report... | CGOOA::DEVLIN | Don Cherry's Grapeline ROOLZ! | Thu May 13 1993 11:44 | 32 |
| Last Night's Hockey Night in Canada Report:
Islungers beat PenGoons 7-5 to force a Game 7 against the best team
money cain buy. PenGoons tried all their tricks -slashes to da face,
more dives than a Greg Louganis retrospective, more whining than Ernie
and Julius.
The Nassau Coliseum was rocking. 'Goons kept coming back, but the
spunky Islundahs kept forging ahead.
CDC commentators hit the nail on da haid - the Pengoons lasted night
were willing to pay the price in front of the net. On almost all the
Islunders goals, the 'Goons failed to clear out in front of Barrasso.
On the opposite end, the Isles punished "Goons in the crease area,
which is how hokey should be played. Now, if only these guys would get
rid of them wimpy visors....
Game 7 looms, and the Pengoons are still huge favorites - the best team
in hokey playing at home vs. the #3 seed playing without its best
player. There's no hope for the Islunders. I fully expect the Goons
to win by about 9-2 or so.
Tonight:
The Leafs try to rap the blues and all that jazz in St. Louis, where
the fans will be rocking. Leafs will try to take Jo-sieve out of his
rythem, while the Leafs try to bring Toronto a new age of hokey.
In L.A. the Kings try to close out the Canucks.
JD
|
| 11.246 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Thu May 13 1993 13:07 | 9 |
|
Pens had the most points in the regular season. Of the teams in the playoffs
the Islanders were 12th in points scored. Pens will probably win easily,
but think of how much fun this file could be if an incredible upset
takes place. I guess we could compare it to the Pens blowing a 3-0 series
lead to the Islanders back in the 1970's. Unlikely but it would be sweet.
Of course then someone would have to stop the Canadians.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.247 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | And there you had it... | Thu May 13 1993 16:09 | 13 |
|
>Pens had the most points in the regular season. Of the teams in the playoffs
>the Islanders were 12th in points scored. Pens will probably win easily,
>but think of how much fun this file could be if an incredible upset
>takes place. I guess we could compare it to the Pens blowing a 3-0 series
>lead to the Islanders back in the 1970's. Unlikely but it would be sweet.
>Of course then someone would have to stop the Canadians.
The Crazy Met
think how much more fun it would be if you had a p-name on it???
;^)
|
| 11.248 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Thu May 13 1993 16:51 | 13 |
| Thanks for the thought MikeC. But that addicted I am not :-) See a p_name
bet on this game would have to have conditions like if the Islanders lose my
p_name change is for one day, if the Pens lose the person accepting the
p_name bet has to use it for a month.
And to be honest I'm not going to be happy becasue the Islanders won, rather
because the Pens lost. In any other series I doubt Icould even contemplate
rooting for the Islanders. J.P. Parise (?) will always live in infamy in
the mind of any Rangers fan. I'm pretty sure he scored a goal 11 seconds
into OT in the 3rd game of a best of 3 series between the Islanders and
Rangers the first time the Islanders got into the playoffs.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.249 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Fri May 14 1993 09:58 | 12 |
|
Anyone see Craig Janney get absolutly pasted in last nights Leafs/Blues
game ? Looks like he caught a rib on the dasher, and he went down and
did the worm. Ouch.
Blue's force a 7th game for Saturday, Best goaltending in the playoffs
so far has been in this series.
Looking for a Habs vs. Leafs final.
-TH
|
| 11.250 | I only watch this sport during the playoffs... | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Fri May 14 1993 10:18 | 12 |
| � Anyone see Craig Janney get absolutly pasted in last nights Leafs/Blues
� game ? Looks like he caught a rib on the dasher, and he went down and
� did the worm. Ouch.
Cought that one - quite a hit. The Blues were crunching people all over
the ice. Rich Sutter layed a great hit on {mumble-mumble} in the third
period too.
I'm rooting for the Leafs here, but I'd ahve to say taht this has been the
most entertaining series of the 'offs so far.
=Bob=
|
| 11.251 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Fri May 14 1993 11:33 | 10 |
|
Kings finished off Vancouver 5-3 to win the series 4-2. Gretzky looked
like the Great One last night. Question is can he continue to play this
way for 2 more series. Kings make it past the second round for the first
time in their history.
Tonight Islanders at Penguins, game 7
Tomorrow night Blues at Leafs, game 7
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.252 | | CAMONE::WAY | Livewire Voodoo | Fri May 14 1993 11:58 | 5 |
| Yes, they made it past the second round, but they have
been in the semi-finals before -- in 1969....
hth,
'Saw
|
| 11.253 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | Don Cherry's Grapeline ROOLZ! | Fri May 14 1993 12:00 | 18 |
|
Well, I missed the Leafs/Blues game cuz I was hobnobbing on the golf
course, but did catch the Kings/Canucks. Kings wanted it more, and
Edmonton South led the way again. Gretzky has been super these
playoffs - I think he has 22 points. Scored his 103rd career playoff
goal, and now has something like 340 playoff points.
Folks on the Vancouver talk shows are wondering who will not be back
next year. Petr Nedved is rumoured to be gone. Took a lot of heat for
not producing in the playoffs after a 38 goal regular season. They
need help in the defensive zone.
Tonight, the Mighty Invincible Unbeatable Pengoons take on the poor
undermanned, understaffed, overachieving, waifs from Long Island at the
totally rad and raucous Igloo.
JD
|
| 11.254 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri May 14 1993 12:01 | 10 |
|
> Rich Sutter layed a great hit on {mumble-mumble} in the third
> period too.
I thought mumble-mumble's neck was broke, too. That was a slightly
vicious (but not illegal! according to Mr. HaveAnotherDonut)
cross-check to the haid...
glenn
|
| 11.255 | | APPLE::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Sat May 15 1993 22:05 | 9 |
| Guess I'm now left rooting for the team coming out of the
Kings vs Blues/Maple Leafs series to wint the Stanley CUp. I just can't
easily stomach the Islanders or Canadaians winning it.
Canadians could sneak in like they did in 1986 when Calgary beat
Edmonton in the divisional final.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.256 | | CAMONE::WAY | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Mon May 17 1993 10:02 | 4 |
| It'd be cool to see a Habs-Leafs final......
'Saw
|
| 11.257 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | Don Cherry's Grapeline ROOLZ! | Mon May 17 1993 11:50 | 29 |
| Well, of course, the hockey world was rocking Friday night, as the
greatest team money can buy, playing before their home fans, against a
third place team playing without their captain and without (for all
purposes) their best player, choked away their 'dynasty' in overtime
with a 4-3 loss to the Islanders. If you though Mario went down like a
lump of bricks when hit by a feather, all you had to do is watch poor
Jarimeeer Jagr go down on a not too hard hit and lay their on the ice,
counting his tresses. Islander have never lost to the Pengoons in a
deciding game.
As Mr. Cherry said, it seemed obvious all playoffs that the Pengoons
thought they could get by with just playing when they wanted to. They
showed an unwillingness to clear the front out for Barrasso.
In Game 7, the hero was Glenn Healy, who withstood the Pengoon
onslaught. Ron Francis played his heart out for the 'goons.
Meanwhile, the Leafs took apart the Blues 6-0 to advance to the semi
vs. L.A>
In Game 1 - Montreal easily handled a flat Islanders team 4-1 - with
the Islanders avoiding a shutout in the last minutes.
IN other Canada Hockey, the Memorial cup has seen Laval lose twice,
once to Sault St. Marie, and once to St. Petersborough. The tourney
continues....
JD
|
| 11.258 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Mon May 17 1993 12:39 | 7 |
| �It'd be cool to see a Habs-Leafs final...
It would be particularly cool if the Leaves could pull it off.
It's been a long time since they won it, probably the second longest
of any of the original six.
=bob=
|
| 11.259 | Or is NY > Mario in this equation? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon May 17 1993 12:41 | 13 |
|
�It'd be cool to see a Habs-Leafs final...
>
> It would be particularly cool if the Leaves could pull it off.
> It's been a long time since they won it, probably the second longest
> of any of the original six.
A major blow to ABC/ESPN/Military Industrial Complex, though. I
hope Slasher has a damn good explanation for how they screwed up so
badly already...
glenn
|
| 11.260 | ESPN probably wants NY vs LA - barf! | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon May 17 1993 12:44 | 10 |
|
Love to see the Leafs win it. But as long as the winner of the Stanley Cup
is the Kings/Leafs winner thats ok. If Gretzky continues to play as brilliantly
as he has so far in the playoffs, Kings might actually pull this off.
I assume the Isles had the lowest point total of the remaining 4, followed
by LA. Toronto and Montreal both had 100+points, who would have home ice
if they met in the Cup finals??
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.261 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | SpaceTheFinalFrontier-YourAdHere | Mon May 17 1993 14:03 | 7 |
| That's easy Glenn, nobody south of the New York border gives
a flying fig about hokey. Everybody knows this country is really run
out of Texas. I predict a Habs/Leafs finals and most television
sets south of the Canadien border will have ESPN deleted from their
remote controls.
/Don
|
| 11.262 | | CTHQ::LEARY | I don't do ND spandex | Mon May 17 1993 14:15 | 19 |
| Wouldn't be so quick to write off the 'Goon dynasty yet, JD.
They're damn good and young, remind me of the 80's Edmonton Oilers.
Remember the Oilers got upset by Calgary in '86 and were prevented
from getting the Threepeat. But didn't they rebound to take the Cup
in '87, '88, and '90?
And I'm rooting for the Leafs also. Couldn't stomach a Kings-Habs
final. They wouldn't know what to do in LA if they won the Cup.
I listened to WEEI this AM and they were laughing at the quote in
USA Today " LA goes hockey-crazy". They called up some 7/11 in LA
near the Forum and asked the two clerks some basic hockey questions
like "Can you name any of the Kings?" or the classic "What's a
blue line?" to which the answer provided by the LA fan was " Ah, I
think it's a line on the LA Metro, no?". Please no Cup in LA.
MikeL
|
| 11.263 | Thanks, Don "The Senator" Robichaud... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon May 17 1993 14:15 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.264 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | J.Unitas,J.Namath,J.Montana,J.Elway | Mon May 17 1993 14:51 | 5 |
| Before Friday night the Islanders were Long Island's team.
Now their New York's team. Mighty big of those Gotham folks to
take "this little team that could" under their expansive wing.
/Don
|
| 11.266 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon May 17 1993 15:22 | 4 |
|
/er is just trying different p_names that might appeal to MikeC.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.267 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Tue May 18 1993 11:48 | 62 |
| Hokey Night in Canada Report:
The Leafs scorched the Kings last night 4-1, on the strength of an
incredible 3rd period performance, with the catalyst being the great
Dougie Gilmour.
Leafs led 1-0 after one. Kings tied it to make it 1-1 after 2.
The third started out with the Kings looking like they had big Mo on
their side, but then Gilmour started the Leafs a humming with a hip
check to a King (Zitnick I think) that made him see stars, the crowd
went crazy, and the Kings were never in it again. First Gilmour fed
Glenn Anderson for a beauty of a goal, beating Hrudey on a great deek.
Then Gilmour scored (his second of the night) on a play that saw the
Leafs give the Kings a lesson in forechecking. Then Gilmour stole an
errant pass, set up behind the net, and fed it to Berg for a 4-1 score.
Leafs outshot the Kings 21-1 in the third period.
And this game had a slugfest near the end. Marty McSorely hit Gilmour
up high with an elbow check, sending Gilmour to the next planet.
Wendell Clark took exception, and a battle between McSorely and Clark -
two heavyweights was on. More action in this fight then in most
Heavyweight champeenship fights. Meanwhile, while they were slugging
it out, Gilmour got up and skated over to the Kings bench, offereing to
take them all on, and Pat Burns had to be restrained from going after
The Coach with the Long Hair.
Great Game.
Gilmoure was Molson First Star, Hrudley (45 saves) the second, and
Glenn Anderson the third, although I felt Felix Potvin was deserving of
a star.
The LEafs checking line with Foligno and Krushanilski (whatever...) was
fantastic.
After the game Burns was still hot. Said if Bill Baumgartner hit
Gretzky like McSorely did Gilmour, they'd be hell to pay from the
league...
Didn't take long for this series to brew some bad blood.
Toronto seems to be "Canada's Team" right now, and the prospect of a
Habs/Leafs final is getting folks fired up.
Don Cherry (who, if Mike Heiser is reading, isn't a color commentator,
but hosts his own show...), talked about the heat he's getting from
folks about Dale Hunter and about his views on visors, stickwork and
the like. First he told the kids that what Hunter did was wrong. You
never, ever, ever hit a guy after the whistle, and never after he
scores, and that should never happen. End of story. But he also said
you never turn your back on a friend, and Dale Hunter is a friend, and
he won't turn his back on him. Meanwhile, he showed clips from
baseball fights, hoops fights, etc., saying that Baseball has had more
bench clearing brawls in the last week than hockey has in the last 5
years. Yet no one complains about them, only hockey fights. He said
"Folks should just stop whining about Hockey, its the greatest game on
earth, and they should just shut up and stop complaining."
Meanwhile, Swift Current takes on the Petersboro Petes tonight in
Memorial Cup action.
JD
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| 11.268 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue May 18 1993 12:00 | 14 |
|
Re: JD
Bench clearing brawls, in BB. My point a few back, but a few in here
seem to think it's O.K. for thier beloved sport, but not O.K. for
Hockey.
Actually, watching hoop and BB players fight is about the same as
watching young girls fight in a schoolyard.
FWIW,
-TH
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| 11.269 | WRITE-LOCKED! | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 18 1993 12:06 | 2 |
| > Actually, watching hoop and BB players fight is about the same as
> watching young girls fight in a schoolyard.
|
| 11.270 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Tue May 18 1993 12:09 | 12 |
| Tarawna has the home ice advantage, eh?
Cool on the brawl. Hokey is getting just a little too much like the
NBA for my tastes, and it's a damned shame.
That Wendell Clarke's a big guy.
Go Leafs! (eh)!
'Saw
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| 11.271 | I really don't care what hokey does, but let's be honest | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 18 1993 12:48 | 26 |
|
> Bench clearing brawls, in BB. My point a few back, but a few in here
> seem to think it's O.K. for thier beloved sport, but not O.K. for
> Hockey.
No. If you want to defend fighting for fighting's sake, then at least
be up front about it and say so like the 'Sawmain. But Don Cherry and
others engage in intellectual dishonesty when they distort the picture
by using terms and statistics like "bench-clearing brawls". For good
reason, participation in "bench-clearing brawls" in hockey is heavily
penalized (because they used to result in near-riots), where 95% of the
time in baseball the "bench-clearing brawl" results in guys standing
around, wondering what to do next, or jumping on the pile to separate
their guy from the opponents'. Baseball does not attempt to preserve
the art of fighting as a part of the game by writing the rules to
encourage two guys to go at it until somebody's out.
Plain and simple, which sport has far and away the most fights? Which
is the only sport to make ample use of the Goon Shot (seen once again
last night with McSorley on Gilmour) where the sole purpose is to take
out the other team's star after the result of the game has become
academic? Forget about the fighting; I can't believe real hockey fans
want to see *that*.
glenn
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| 11.272 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Tue May 18 1993 12:53 | 27 |
| I'm not saying that I want to see fighting continue for fighting's sake, but
I think that it has long been a part of the sport.
Let's face it. Most hockey fights are pretty short, pretty benign, and
often the result of two guys going at each other all night and one finally
losing it.
Bench clearing brawls, goon tactics (hey, let's face it, still a part of hokey)
and cheap shots like Hunter's, have no place in the game.
I like the 3rd man in rule, but sometimes it's not judiciously used.
If McSorely were beating up on some little guy like Fleury, I don't see a
problem with another guy trying to get McSorely off of Fleury. But, I
digress.
Things like the 3rd man rule, the rule where the goalies have to stay in
their crease during a fight etc, are all good. It keeps the unmitigated
violence for violence sake down.
But, I don't have a problem with two guys dukin' it out, mano a mano.....
'Saw
PS I also think that "advertised" fights should be heavily penalized.....
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| 11.273 | Bring back Jay Miller | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Tue May 18 1993 12:59 | 7 |
| Go Leafs!
Those haircuts are another reason to hate the Kings.
Coaching staff must hold their staff meetings at Venice Beach.
MikeL
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| 11.274 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue May 18 1993 13:46 | 7 |
| � Bench clearing brawls, in BB. My point a few back, but a few in here
� seem to think it's O.K. for thier beloved sport, but not O.K. for
� Hockey.
Sorry TH, but what people said in here was that fights in baseball were
a rarity. Noone said they were OK. And despite what Don Cherry said,
they are few and far between.
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| 11.275 | Should also ban the use of McDonald's ketchup packets | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 18 1993 14:01 | 8 |
|
> PS I also think that "advertised" fights should be heavily penalized.....
Yes, this is worst of all! Especially when one guy gets paid to go
rubber-necked and flop to the ice...
glenn
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| 11.276 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue May 18 1993 14:24 | 46 |
|
1st of all I am NOT advocating fighting in any sport, other than
sanctioned boxing. I may have used my words incorrectly in stating it
was O.K. to fight in a certain sport, but not in others, therefore
I apologize.
I don't feel I have to defend fighting and I AM up front about it. Call
a spade a spade. Watching the newscasts and seeing a Baseball or hoop
fight the anounoucers seem to me to have a different tone when
anouncing a hockey brawl vs other sports brawls. Face it the league is
going to be turned into the next NBA anyway, complete with all the
trimmings.
A fight is a fight is a fight, does'nt matter if its in lacrosse or
curling. So I feel that it should be reported all the same, not given
the typical cynicism that preludes a hockey fight when reported by the
media.
I can tell that most a few of you never played the sport, if you did
you could understand the mental aspect of the game. Hockey is a strange
bird, with alot of things happening behind the play/puck carrier. T.V.
does not give you that, and with ESPN's gushing over megahyped
superstars you'll never see it. You can bet on one thing though,
stickwork and cheapshots will continue to increase, see visors, and
retaliation won't be in the form of a good pounding at center ice
because of penalties that will be assed do to fighting in the future.
See Disney's team.
The same people that cry about a hockey fight also saty glued to the
set to see blood when that catcher got beaned in the derby last week.
Wait, slow motion shot, stop, freeze the picture to get maximum facial
distortion and the blood trickling down his cheek.
Am I a little clearer than Mud now ? Hope so. I like Don Cherry, but
take him for face value, and entertainer. Please don't put words in my
mouth by lumping him with me.
At least Hull, Orr, Perant,Richard, and the rest of the hockey
immortals could play the game and dish out a good beating when the
situation called for it. Never heard them complain, just certain folks
that like a whitewashed version of the sport soley for thier clean
viewing pleasure.
Ciao
-TH
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| 11.277 | Again, they're really hitting each other, but it's not "real" | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 18 1993 15:04 | 31 |
|
TH, I'm not trying to lump you in with anyone, but if you say that your
opinion is in agreement with Don Cherry's that similar violence pervades
other sports, and then tack on that baseball and basketball players
fight like schoolgirls (which is in contradiction to the first point),
then, yes, you might get an argument... ;-)
> At least Hull, Orr, Perant,Richard, and the rest of the hockey
> immortals could play the game and dish out a good beating when the
> situation called for it. Never heard them complain, just certain folks
> that like a whitewashed version of the sport soley for thier clean
> viewing pleasure.
I have never called for a whitewashing of the game of hockey. I like
to see a guy crumble in slow-mo from a wicked check just as much as Pat
Borders taking that foul tip to the side of the head. ;-) My primary
objection has always been that much of what is passed off as necessary
"enthusiasm" is actually gratuitous and contrived, is there purely for
entertainment purposes and as such makes a mockery of the game. Other
sports do not have this element where certain players get paid to mix
it up when the game gets dull. This might not have always been the
case in the "old days" (but I doubt it), but it's certainly true today.
Some fans might enjoy this circus aspect to the sport, and if they want
it, fine, but to deny that it exists and claim that it's some vital,
integral part of the game is to deny the obvious. You don't think
these guys that get paid to "hate each other" during the game aren't
sitting in a bar in the off-season or after their careers are over and
laughing all the way to the bank?
glenn
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| 11.278 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue May 18 1993 15:24 | 26 |
| �Watching the newscasts and seeing a Baseball or hoop
� fight the anounoucers seem to me to have a different tone when
� anouncing a hockey brawl vs other sports brawls.
Of course they do because a hockey brawl is a regular occurance unlike
punches thrown in baseball or basketball. And the last time I checked
throwing a punch in baseball or basketball cost you at least an
ejection. Throw a punch in a hockey game and you sit down for 2-5
minutes.
� I can tell that most a few of you never played the sport, if you did
� you could understand the mental aspect of the game.
I haven't played any hockey other than pickup street/floor style but I
do play a very physical game with one referee trying to keep track of
30 players. I understand the mental aspect of a highly competetive
contact sport very well. You're right that I don't understand the
mental aspect of regular cheapshotting, fight instigation, and the need
to drop the gloves becasue someone looked at someone funny.
� Am I a little clearer than Mud now ? Hope so. I like Don Cherry, but
� take him for face value, and entertainer. Please don't put words in my
� mouth by lumping him with me.
Sorry I mistook what you had said about baseball and basketball fights
being common and unnoticed as agreeing with what Don Cherry said.
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| 11.279 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue May 18 1993 16:04 | 39 |
|
Re.278
Why do you insist on putting a spin on what I say ?
>>> You're right that I don't understand the mental aspect of regular
>>> cheapshotting, fight instigation, and the need to drop the gloves
>>> becasue someone looked at someone funny.
Where did I say anything about looking funny, cheapshotting, and fight
instigation ?
>>>Sorry I mistook what you had said about baseball and basketball fights
being common and unnoticed as agreeing with what Don Cherry said.
Again, Where did I say that they were common, and I did'nt see the
episode where on what Cherry said that he and I agree.
All I am saying is report fights the same, wether they are in BB Hoops
or whatever, not with the attiude that I went to a hockey game a
boxing match broke out.
Funny, a few weeks ago I remember seeing something on ESPN reguarding
violence in basketball and how it is on the rise, and what the brains
in the NBA intended to do about it. Never saw that show, anybody ?
Our how about the latest Knicks vs.Suns ? if that happened in a hockey
game you guys would have been on it in a heartbeat.
I guess my point is, that fights do happen, yes in hockey they occur
more, but they also occur in BB and Hoop. They just get a little softer
treatment in the other two by the media. Sounds like a few people are
in denial mode.
-TH
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| 11.280 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue May 18 1993 16:12 | 4 |
|
We were on that Knicks-Suns fight in a heartbeat.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.281 | Most of the time it's actually quite comical,like Larry Holmes | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 18 1993 16:24 | 25 |
|
> I guess my point is, that fights do happen, yes in hockey they occur
> more, but they also occur in BB and Hoop. They just get a little softer
> treatment in the other two by the media. Sounds like a few people are
> in denial mode.
I have to disagree. As I said before, every single baseball fight on
every televised game has been highlighted since the creation of ESPN's
SportsCenter, and (in a majority of the cases) the over-sensitivity of
batters is the problem (not a huge one, but a problem just the same--
resulting in the current warning rule and quicker thumbs for pitchers).
Basketball's fighting problem grew out of control and *has been
addressed* with the one-game suspension rule, which I think you will
see make a notable difference. On a day-to-day basis I think hockey
gets softer treatment, just because it's expected.
My reaction to the treatment of hockey violence by the media is usually
not outrage but laughter-- like with Dan Olbermann's latest in the
Kings-Leafs series where a couple of goons skated around each other,
sizing one another up: "Really ugly scene coming up here. Dancing.
That's right, dancing. They really should do something about dancing
in the NHL."
glenn
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| 11.282 | | ROYALT::ASHE | We don't have to take our clothes off | Tue May 18 1993 16:35 | 9 |
| Getting back to the game, to some degree. I could see why Burns and
Gilmour was upset. They took Gilmour's body out all game and that's
legit. After goal 4, within a minute or 2, they lined up Gilmour after
a goal, someone else on the boards with an elbow and the Gilmour once
they got the power play. One by itself was probably excusable. Two
is iffy. Three meant there was some intent. Of course, that will be
played up in the pregame hype for game 2. Something the commish was
trying to avoid I'm sure.
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| 11.283 | What was the final of the Montreal-NYI game lasted night (I fell asleep) | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Wed May 19 1993 11:02 | 0 |
| 11.284 | | LJOHUB::CRITZ | | Wed May 19 1993 11:04 | 4 |
| I heard on the radio this morning that it was 4-3 Montreal
in double overtime.
Scott
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| 11.285 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Wed May 19 1993 11:42 | 34 |
|
First off, I'll clarify some of this fight stuff. First off, Glenn,
the guy who said the Leafs/Kings game was 'Two Goons Dancing' either
didn't see it, or doesn't have a clue. I go for the second one.
Wendell Clark is NOT a Goon. Not even close. They weren't dancing
either. Clark, the Captain, came to the defense of his best player
getting whacked on a shot that was questionable. This wasn't the case
of a pampered superstar getting angry at a pitch inside. Sorry Glenn,
but that wasn't the case.
To Mac - fighting is not that common anymore in Hockey. It used to be,
that's for sure, but not now. There have been few fights in the
playoffs. And I've watched most of the games.
Most people, including Don Cherry, do not condone cheapshotting, nor do
they yearn for bench clearing brawls (which do not happen anymore due
to suspensions), nor do they advocate the return of the goon. But
folks like Cherry would rather see guys punch it out then rake their
sticks across the face - which is what happens now in lieu of the
fight. That was rare years ago. Now almost every game I watch I see
a stick to the face. Nor do folks advocate the announced fight.
I think many folks are remembering the Broad Street Bully's etc., and
not watching today's game. Fights are fewer, that's for sure.
Look no further than the Turgeon hit - that would have been a bench
clearing brawl five years ago. Those of you defending baseball, think
of the little baby crap that causes those millionaires to go out and
try to break their fingernails yanking on someone's doubleknit blouse,
a pitch inside is what precipitates it.
JD
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| 11.286 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Wed May 19 1993 11:46 | 17 |
| Now for Molson Hockey Night in Canada Report:
Stephan LeBeau is the lastest Hab Hero, as he scored in double OT to
lift the Canadians over the Islanders 4-3. A game of ebb and flow,
sometimes exciting, sometimes boring. Some fantastic goal tending and
frenzied action - especially in the first OT. Islanders had a few
great chances, including Ferraro firing just wide on a open net as Roy
was sprawled on the ice. Also had a shot hit the crossbar after it
beat Healy, and a great Healy save on Bellows.
Habs have now won 10 straight. They broke the Islanders streak of
overtime wins.
Now to the trivia question: How scored the winning goal the last time
the Islanders lost in Overtime (hint: it was 1985)
JD
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| 11.287 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Wed May 19 1993 11:56 | 1 |
| I remember it was a Washington Capitol, so I'll go with Dale Hunter....8^)
|
| 11.288 | I've already said forget the fighting, look at the cheap shots | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed May 19 1993 12:12 | 50 |
|
> Wendell Clark is NOT a Goon. Not even close. They weren't dancing
> either. Clark, the Captain, came to the defense of his best player
> getting whacked on a shot that was questionable. This wasn't the case
> of a pampered superstar getting angry at a pitch inside. Sorry Glenn,
> but that wasn't the case.
Sheesh, it was just a joke (by Keith Olbermann, not me). Maybe you
should write a letter to ESPN defending the merits of the valorous
Wendell Clark and request that no more jokes be allowed over such
serious matters.
> Most people, including Don Cherry, do not condone cheapshotting, nor do
> they yearn for bench clearing brawls (which do not happen anymore due
> to suspensions), nor do they advocate the return of the goon. But
> folks like Cherry would rather see guys punch it out then rake their
> sticks across the face - which is what happens now in lieu of the
> fight. That was rare years ago. Now almost every game I watch I see
> a stick to the face. Nor do folks advocate the announced fight.
Cherry says all that and then he turns around and questions the motives
of the guy that just got cheapshotted (as in the Turgeon case). He does
so with the justification that he's "not going to desert a friend". What
a joke.
FWIW, most of my serious comments on violence in hockey have had nothing
to do with fighting, but the goon shots designed to take somebody out
(which is still quite common, even in the playoffs, from what I've
seen). Watching Pat Burns try to crawl over the dasher to punch out
the opposing coach is all very amusing, and will enhance interest in
the remainder of the series, no doubt, but the fact remains that a
potentially dehabilitating cheap shot initiated the clown show. For
some reason, when anyone brings up the lunacy of such a situation,
everybody gets defensive about it, even though we're supposedly
in agreement.
> Look no further than the Turgeon hit - that would have been a bench
> clearing brawl five years ago. Those of you defending baseball, think
> of the little baby crap that causes those millionaires to go out and
> try to break their fingernails yanking on someone's doubleknit blouse,
> a pitch inside is what precipitates it.
Agreed-- I don't defend it, I think it's ridiculous and that it should
be stopped. In the latest example (which did receive *much* publicity),
Albert "Joey" Belle will be receiving three more days of pine time for
chasing a pitcher around the field even though he didn't even get hit by
the pitch. Baseball doesn't need that, and the penalties are increasing.
glenn
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| 11.290 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | G.Washington,A.Lincoln,G.Bush | Wed May 19 1993 13:29 | 5 |
| 'Cuz that's hokey Tommy. Take away all those intangibles to
the game and you might as well spend your money on "Disney On Ice"
watching Mickey and company.
/Don
|
| 11.291 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Wed May 19 1993 13:49 | 7 |
|
=Bob=
Too bad you missed the end of last nights game. Awesome OT by both goaltenders.
Great game.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.292 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Here's a 25�, call someone who cares | Wed May 19 1993 16:51 | 2 |
| Unless they weren't showing Clark-McSorley but other guys...
|
| 11.293 | | APPLE::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Wed May 19 1993 23:56 | 9 |
| Unlike last years playoffs where round 1 was tight and the rest of the
rounds were mostly blowouts, this year the latter rounds are as good as
the first 2. Last year the semifinals were bith 4 game sweeps as was
the finals. I don't remember too many of the games even being close.
Kings win 3-2 to tie the series at 1 game a piece. Game 3 Friday in LA.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.294 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Thu May 20 1993 09:56 | 9 |
|
� Kings win 3-2 to tie the series at 1 game a piece. Game 3 Friday in LA.
Another great game. Da Leaves were gagging a bit in the third - they had great
chances, but couldn't get the puck on net.
Have you ever seen a more lopsided stat than face-offs won in this series?
=Bob=
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| 11.295 | | ROYALT::ASHE | What? Cheers is going off the air? | Thu May 20 1993 10:59 | 2 |
| Gilmour Starks McSorley with his helmet... film at 11...
|
| 11.296 | | MKFSA::LONG | InTheCornerOfMyMindIsAJukebox | Thu May 20 1993 12:12 | 6 |
| That was a great cocobutt! McSorley just stood there. I don't think
he knew what hit him. Hit him right in the chops.
billl
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| 11.297 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | ANTI\Slash | Thu May 20 1993 12:29 | 5 |
| Luckily, hokey is a mainly sport where haidbutts are allowed. To
bad Burns didn't clock Melrose the other night. He looks like Jane
Fonda in Klute with that haircut.
/Don
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| 11.298 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Thu May 20 1993 13:22 | 9 |
|
Gilmore better be able to take it, because he's great at dishing it out
behind the play. What goes around comes around I guess.
This is a hell of a series, either of these two teams makes the Adams
division look like bantams.
-TH
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| 11.299 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu May 20 1993 13:39 | 3 |
|
Do we have a Kodak moment brewing in here?
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| 11.300 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu May 20 1993 14:21 | 4 |
| �Have you ever seen a more lopsided stat than face-offs won in this series?
Didn't the B's have a lopsided edge in face-offs won against the
Sabres?
|
| 11.301 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Thu May 20 1993 14:24 | 4 |
| Yeah, but if I remember correctly, the Sabres were having the Broons lunch
when it came to face-offs......
'Saw
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| 11.302 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Thu May 20 1993 14:55 | 2 |
| Gilmour has been taking a lot of abuse all playoffs.
|
| 11.303 | who won last night's game? | USDEV::DBA | | Mon May 24 1993 10:40 | 3 |
| Anyone have the score from last night?
John
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| 11.305 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Wed May 26 1993 09:49 | 31 |
| Well, I'm surprised no one has mentioned last night's game yet.
It was some of the most skillful goaltending I've seen in a while.
Felix "The Cat" Potvin is unbelievable, and when you figure the kid
is just 21, and showing that kind of maturity between the pipes
it makes you stop and think.
I got a little tired of John Davidson saying what a great ref
McCreary is though. It was pretty obvious that ABC/ESPN has
given explicit instructions that LA is supposed to win the series.
I guess rating will go way down if it's a CLASSIC Montreal-Toronto
series.
At any rate, there was some hellacious play. LA finally got their
defensemen playing pretty well for most of the game, but they
were only up by one going into the third. Toronto tied it up, and
they went to OT. Toronto won it at 19:41 of the first OT. Personally
I'd figured that they were gonna go into the second OT.
There was a great hit on Zhitnick, the Russian defenseman for LA. He
was rushing up the right side, and tried to cut to the net, but Sylvain
Lefebvre (no relation to Marky Mark) cut him off at the pass, and rode
him into the boards, giving him a little plexiglass face massage.
Zhitnick crumpled, and then tried to get up, looking for all the world
like he'd gone a few rounds with Muhammed Ali.
Gretzky couldn't carry Gilmour's jock.
'Saw
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| 11.306 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is crawling!!! | Wed May 26 1993 09:56 | 12 |
| I only watched the end of the third and the OT, but it looked like a great
game lasted night. I think it was lucky for Potvin that the Leaves took
control of the play at the end of the OT. On a few chances before that he
looked totally exhausted.
The ref did let just about everything go from halfway through the OT on. While
I beleive that the networks want LA in, I also beleive that there is an old
hokey addage that a Stanley Cup game will never be decided on a penalty.
Go Leaves
=Bob= on the bandwagon
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| 11.307 | | MKFSA::LONG | Sorry, we're closed! | Wed May 26 1993 10:43 | 10 |
| McSorley is still sportin' a purty shade on his right eye. Is that from
the "coco-butt" Gilmore gave him?
Hearin' the announcers constantly refer to Gretsky as "The Great One"
is gettin' 'bout as old as hearin' the Braves called "America's Team".
He was just takin' up space out there last night.
I was suprised that the Leafs (or is it Leaves) got away with crashing
the net the way they did towards the end of regulation.
|
| 11.308 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Wed May 26 1993 11:27 | 51 |
| Bill,
McSorely's shiner is still from the Game 1 fight with Clark.
Last night's game can be summed up in three words: Felix the Cat.
The Leafs were flat - played horrible and were down 2-0 late in
the second. Kings had complete control of this game, and then Mike
Krush-a-lin-ski tipped in a shot onthe power play to make it 2-1. From
that point on, the Leafs found new life.
Sylvain Lefebvre knotted the game on a nice four man rush in the third,
as Gilmour dropped off a beauty of a pass on the break. Lefebvre's
shot
just trickled by Hrudly, who was tripped up by his own defenceman.
Both teams had wonderful chances in the third, but the goalies stood
tall.
In OT, the action was incredible, with both goalies coming up big.
Finally Glenn ANderson scored with 39.6 seconds left in the OT as he
whacked in a rebound of his own shot. It was the Fourth playoff
overtime winning goal of ANderson's career.
While in the States, ESPN/ABC may be looking for a Kings final, here in
Canada everyone is looking towards an all-Canada final. Barry Melrose
is still not talking to the Molson Hockey Night in Canada crew because
he says they are biased towards the leafs. Melrose also said the
Toronto papers are all pro-Leafs (DUH Barry!).
The battle between Burns and Melrose continues. The LA fans showered
Burns with Doughnuts the other night, part of Melrose's continued
attack against the portly Burns. Burns, an ex-policeman, said getting
doughnuts thrown at his nothing compared to what he saw while a cop.
Burns also said Melrose should realize that coaching is a fraternity,
and you don't turn on a coach, and that sometime in the future Barry
may find himself all alone out there. Great tabloid material.
In his latest escapades, Don Cherry has taken some heat from the CBUT
station - which is the French station that does the Molson games. Don
isn't very bi-lingual. So last night he tried to show he knew French
by saying things like "Serge Savard, Guy LaFleur, Denny Savard, Bon
Chance, Bon Ami, etc..." I'm sure there will be more.
Meanwhile, the Canadians rest and await the finals. They are playing
great hockey. Guy Carboneau has been spectactular killing penalties,
and Patrick Roy has been at the top of his game.
It's been 7 years since the HABS won the Cup, longest drought since the
Great Depression. Habs go for their 24th cup.
JD
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| 11.309 | Looking forw to Leafs vs Canadiens: CH = ? | AKOCOA::BREEN | Or so the sages speak | Wed May 26 1993 13:05 | 8 |
| I am looking forward to Leafs Habs. I am watching Hockey a little
after giving it up. I have learned why I gave it up and its not
fighting but holding that drives me crazy.
And unquestionably root for the Leafs. But they will probably have to
win a 7th game which I predict will be overtime (easy one, eh).
And I'll try not to mention the ol' 6 team league
|
| 11.310 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Hawaii-BeaconHillWest | Wed May 26 1993 13:40 | 5 |
| What's wrong with those Toronto fains anyway? Don't they know a
real hokey fain throws beer on the ice to protest a bad call? Throwing
soda is so NBAish.
/Don
|
| 11.311 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Wed May 26 1993 14:24 | 11 |
| Eh, it was the stupid announcers, eh.
Real Canadian beer is a little darker than bud, eh, and it makes a darker
stain on the ice.....
I'm surprised that the LAKings aren't whining about the stuff on the ice
causing the winning goal.....
'saw
|
| 11.312 | Especially at them prices! | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Wed May 26 1993 14:51 | 8 |
| Yo /,
A REAL Broon hokey feign would throw someone else's beer onto the
ice, never their own.
HTH
MikeL
|
| 11.313 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Wed May 26 1993 17:22 | 23 |
|
I also thought last nights game was GREAT ! The only thing that ticks
me off is ESPN's announcer Tom Meese. Man is he a meathead.
Tom: "With the goalies pads being black, does that effect his sight of
the puck when trying to stop it ?"
Or how about this gem: "I sure hope that no one gets a skate caught in
that sticky syrup on the ice." Ya, like it suddenly a labrea tar pit
of something.
Calls penalties when it's icing, or vise versa.
Mcreary swallowed his whistle last night with both teams getting
breaks. The biggie was a 6 man on the ice no call in favor of the Kings
with about 5 minutes left.
Goaltending, well what can you say ? Awesome. Even for Hrudey.
Burns is right about Melrose, A few years down the line this could come
back to haunt him.
Looking for a Leafs vs. Habs final.
-TH
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| 11.314 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Wed May 26 1993 18:22 | 2 |
| Canadian beers have higher alkeehol content, so why throw it? It's
much finer bee-ah than Amurican bee-ahs....
|
| 11.315 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Thu May 27 1993 12:00 | 7 |
|
Throwing beer at the ref or Kings would be like showering them with
praise - why throw liquid gold, the nectar of the Great White Icy
North, when you can throw a syrupy chemical concoction from the land of
milk and honey and NBAfantastiKball.
JD
|
| 11.316 | Were the Kings eliminated? | USDEV::DBA | | Fri May 28 1993 10:32 | 3 |
| Did the Kings/Leafs play last night?
John
|
| 11.317 | | CAMONE::WAY | Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate | Fri May 28 1993 10:39 | 6 |
| > Did the Kings/Leafs play last night?
Series tied at 3-3.
'Saw
|
| 11.318 | Kings win 5-4 in OT. Gretzky pots winner. | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Fri May 28 1993 10:41 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.319 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Fri May 28 1993 11:04 | 10 |
| Brilliant pass by Robitalle (sp?0 to set up Gretzky. Gretzky now has
the most goals for regular season+playoffs, 850, surpassing Howes 849.
Kings once again blew a 2 goal lead, this tema with 8 minutes left in
the 3rd. Unlike game 5 they got the OT winner.
Canadians must be loving every minute of this series.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.320 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Fri May 28 1993 11:31 | 10 |
| Molson Hockey Night in Canada Report:
KIngs win in OT 5-4 on Gretzy's goal. Leafs came back from 4-2 deficit
in 3rd, on strength of Captain Wendell Clarks' hat trick. Game 7
Saturday night in Toronto.
Refs seemed to want LA to win, calling a penalty with 12 seconds left
in 3rd period! LA had 4 power play goals!!!!
JD
|
| 11.321 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is standing - walking soon!!! | Fri May 28 1993 11:33 | 6 |
|
� Refs seemed to want LA to win, calling a penalty with 12 seconds left
� in 3rd period! LA had 4 power play goals!!!!
Didn't see the game (past my bed time), but if that is so, it is totally
outrageous, considering what they let go in the third period of Game 5.
|
| 11.322 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Fri May 28 1993 12:01 | 14 |
| Don Cherry was all over Kerry Fraser - said he should have swallowed
the whistle and let them play hockey. Given what the Kings got away
with, Fraser's calls were questionable. It should be noted that with
the Leafs up 2-1, taylor had a step on Jamie Maccoun of the leafs and
Maccound dove, hit the puck, then tripped up Taylor. As the announcers
said, that call is never made if the player gets the puck first. No
call. Forum erupted - stuff thrown on ice, Faser Sucks chants. From
then on, the Kings were in Power Play City.
Should also be noted that the Second Intermission Guest was Goldie Hawn
- who is now a "Big Hockey Fan" - was with her kids - her boys play
Hockey, her Daughter wears braces...
JD
|
| 11.323 | | LCALOR::PETRIE | is anything *simple* to you? | Fri May 28 1993 13:10 | 35 |
| Think The Slash has a future as a hockey coach?
-----------------------------------------------
The title character in that videotape even *I* have seen advertised
on TV, "Hockey With Roger Neilson", is going to coach the expansion
Florida Panthers. (At least they'll learn the art of dekeing.)
Depending on which paper you believe, this is either a fact or a
fack(tm). The Miami Herald has a bullet in the NHL Report this
morning wherein both Wayne Huizenga _and_ Roger Neilson deny
that any offer has been made and/or accepted. The Ft Lauderdale
Sun_Sentinel headlined its Sprots section with "Neilson to Coach
Panthers" (although it *did* admit that the info came from
Authoritative Sources outside the Panthers organization.)
Going by my experience with the two papers & the Heat: when there's
a difference of reporting, the S_S has it right 99% of the time.
Can't *wait* to see "/er to Coach The Mighty Ducks" :^)
Great Moments in Market Pull:
-----------------------------
Announcement in this morning's Miami Herald:
The Florida Panthers
Just Put 25 NHL Teams
On The Endangered Species List
<text talks about how to order season tickets. The final
line at the bottom says:>
FLORIDA PANTHERS
Good Hockey. Great Air Conditioning.
<guffaw*>
Kath
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| 11.324 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Hawaii-BeaconHillWest | Fri May 28 1993 13:23 | 15 |
| � Think The Slash has a future as a hockey coach?
Maybe in the old days when you could slap the players around (and
not hurt your hand on their visors) and instigate fights and all that other
neat stuff, but in today's kinder gentler NHL Alan Alda and Orca Winfrey
would be better suited to handle the "figure skaters with sticks" that the
league wants to promote. 8^(
� FLORIDA PANTHERS
� Good Hockey. Great Air Conditioning.
Hey Kath, in Boston during the playoffs, we had neither of the
above.
/Don
|
| 11.325 | Kings win 1st Campbell ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | I vent, therefore I am ... | Sun May 30 1993 11:08 | 13 |
|
Kings Win ! Kings Win ! Gretzky has 8th career playoff hat trick !
Kings 5, Leafs 4
Another great hockey game. Hats off to Gilmour, Clark and Potvin,
truly some of hockey's finest talent.
On to Montreal, Tuesday night !
Go Kings !
- acp
|
| 11.326 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Tue Jun 01 1993 11:29 | 14 |
| Kings won Game 7. Gretzky the hat trick. TOo bad that Van Hellemond
took the crowd out early by calling a ticky-tack penalty 57 seconds
into the game.
Coupled with the non-call Gretzky slash with blood drawn in Game 6, and
one has to wonder if the league didn't want the all-Canadian final.
Wendell Clark has more heart than most athletes. Incredible.
First game of the finals tonight, At the real Fabled Forum. Can you
imagine how Chic hockey will become if LA wins the cup? Wonder when
Dyan Cannon jumps on the bandwagon...
JD
|
| 11.327 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Jun 01 1993 12:10 | 2 |
| The crowd was out of it 57 seconds into the hockey game? Sounds like a
bunch of fauxfans to me.
|
| 11.328 | enuf already | MKFSA::LONG | You can blame mah heart | Tue Jun 01 1993 12:16 | 8 |
| JD, yer beginin' to sound like a broken record wit da oficials.
First, it was Frasier's fault they lost then it was Van Hellemond...
I wanted to see the Leafs win just as much as you, but can it be
possible that they were just BEATEN?
billl
|
| 11.329 | | CAMONE::WAY | Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate | Tue Jun 01 1993 14:20 | 14 |
| > I wanted to see the Leafs win just as much as you, but can it be
> possible that they were just BEATEN?
It certainly was a good game I thought, but the ref put the whistle away
in the third and let some really egregious things go.
If it hadn't have been for the fluke goal by one of hockey's two most
one-dimensional players, the game would have gone into OT and been
a truly exciting 7th game....
Should be an interesting final....
'Saw
|
| 11.330 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is standing - walking soon!!! | Tue Jun 01 1993 15:27 | 8 |
| I dunno aboutr this refs thang. I missed the last game, but in all the other
Toronto-LA games I saw, it seemed that they let everything go when it was
advantageous to the Kings, and called it close when it was detrimental to
the Leaves.
Sounds like a case for the Slasher conspiracy file...
=Bob=
|
| 11.331 | | CAMONE::WAY | Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate | Wed Jun 02 1993 10:33 | 8 |
| Was it my imagination but were Bill Clement and his partner doing some
SERIOUS pee-pee smooching of the Kings last night....
It's pretty obvious that the ABC/ESPN conglomerate has dictated that the
Kings will win the Cup this year....8^)
'Saw
|
| 11.332 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Wed Jun 02 1993 11:34 | 3 |
| Bill -
Kings won, and that's that.
|
| 11.333 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Wed Jun 02 1993 11:38 | 15 |
|
KIngs won game 1 last night 4-1. Canadians looked flat. Gretzky and
Hrudly were superb.
Re: Mac - Fuaxfans in Toronto. Hardly. But an early penalty can sure
put the dampers on things. That was the concensus of nearly every
commentator (TV and Print media).
Bill - Kings have played good hockey the last two months. Down the
stretch they were tough, and in the playoffs have really gelled. I'm
neither a Kings nor a Leafs fan, but the timing of some of the calls,
when compared to the rest of the playoffs, and more importantly, with
the way things were called in that series, leads to questioning.
JD
|
| 11.334 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Hawaii-BeaconHillWest | Wed Jun 02 1993 13:25 | 1 |
| Have the Montr�al papers called for Demers to be fired yet?
|
| 11.335 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Wed Jun 02 1993 15:29 | 5 |
|
When the Candians won in 1986 they met Calgary in the finals. Calgary won
the first game, Montreal won the next 4.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.336 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Thu Jun 03 1993 11:24 | 15 |
|
Slash -
You woulda loved the story on the Canadian news last night that talked
about 'Hockey Mania' in LA. Where in this bar with these old hags with
Number 99 jerseys on. They didn't have a clue about the game! But
oh, where the 'Big Kings Fans'...
One of them thought it was 'quaint' that the Forum announcers spoke in
French and then English, because "French is a lovely language". Main,
if they show that in Quebec, war will be declared...
Got my burgers and beer ready for tonight...
JD
|
| 11.337 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Jun 03 1993 11:41 | 7 |
|
'Course, this series must be a real dilemma for Don Cherry. The idea
of a Montreal-LA final must be enough to cause his head to explode,
live on national TV...
glenn
|
| 11.338 | | CAMONE::WAY | Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate | Thu Jun 03 1993 12:09 | 9 |
| > 'Course, this series must be a real dilemma for Don Cherry. The idea
> of a Montreal-LA final must be enough to cause his head to explode,
> live on national TV...
Grapes is cool.......
8^)
|
| 11.339 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Hawaii-BeaconHillWest | Thu Jun 03 1993 13:29 | 6 |
| Tonight's game just doesn't hold any interest for me. Next game is
what I can't wait for to see if the dispossesed Laker fains will be
sitting at rinkside in their full sartorial splendor! Hey JD I dated
one of those "99 Hags" once and she really is a BIG Kings fain.
/Don
|
| 11.340 | | CAMONE::WAY | Ruggers eat their dead | Thu Jun 03 1993 13:47 | 7 |
| Hey, at least the elderly lady who sat next to me that evening in the
Gahden was a true hockey fan.
Her jersey was a #2, Eddie Shore jersey.
'Saw
|
| 11.341 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Madonna&Charles,SittingInATree... | Thu Jun 03 1993 13:52 | 5 |
| Rumors are hot and heavy that the Broons� are after Ed Belfour. If
the team could land him they would have a playoff choking goalie to go
with their playoff choking coach! Nice symmetry!
/Don
|
| 11.342 | "Git yo' brie and pheasant under glass here!" | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Thu Jun 03 1993 14:03 | 16 |
| Yea
Ah cain't wait for this series to git to LaLa land. Hope they pan the
crowd often so we can say "hockey-crazed" La feigns. Maybe we'll
get a glimpse_Slasher's ex-girlfirend, the coyote date.
Never forget original Kings' owner Jack Kent Cooke's quip about
hockey in LA and I paraphrase, "When I got the hockey franchise,
I was excited with the prospect of having over 500,000 Canadian
ex-patriates in southern California. Now I know why the moved to
LA... they hate hockey!"
HAHAHA. The new cheer in the Forum is "Go Luc Robitaiile, kick some
bootay".
MikeL
|
| 11.343 | | CAMONE::WAY | Ruggers eat their dead | Thu Jun 03 1993 15:54 | 10 |
| I don't understand what the problem with Moog is that they would want
Belfour.
I thought that throughout the season when healthy Moog and Blue did a
good job.
Could it be age?
'Saw
|
| 11.344 | Sinden=Gorman | CNTROL::CHILDS | Clemens caught without his cape AGAIN! | Thu Jun 03 1993 16:49 | 9 |
|
Saw, you must be braindead or somethin'...how many years has Moog been here?
how many times have they won more than the Adams Division while Moog was
here? How many times has Moog had a great regualr season only to fall flat
on his face in the playoffs? The truth of the matter is the Bruins' defense
sucks worst than Goalie but it's easier to make one guy the scapegoat.
Anything to take the BLAM(tm) off of Harry....
mike
|
| 11.346 | | CAMONE::WAY | Ruggers eat their dead | Fri Jun 04 1993 09:42 | 24 |
| > Marty, cheat cheat never....
>
> Desjardins scores all three for Montreal. I always pick the good ones
> to watch.... right. What a boring game.
The score wasn't boring. 8^) Was Bill Clement pee-pee smooching up
to "Wayne" again????
Mike,
I dunno, I like Moog. I wouldn't say that LA's Hrudey is better than
Moog, nor were some of the other goalies. You hit the nail on the
head with the remark about the defense. There were too many defensive
breakdowns this season (both forwards and defense too BLAM).
Plus, against Buffalo they weren't doing a thing to get the Sabres off
their game. They should have been running Fuhr, and trying to stir things
up. Instead, they got toasted.....
'Saw
|
| 11.347 | That old Forum Black Magic | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Jun 04 1993 10:39 | 7 |
|
Are we supposed to take this here hokey seriously, eh? Canadiens down
a goal inside of two minutes in the Forum, line 'em up boys, let's
check the sticks? ;-)
glenn
|
| 11.348 | | CAMONE::WAY | The sloop is pointing north | Fri Jun 04 1993 10:53 | 13 |
| > Are we supposed to take this here hokey seriously, eh? Canadiens down
> a goal inside of two minutes in the Forum, line 'em up boys, let's
> check the sticks? ;-)
That's always a cool thing to do. It's worth a shot....
The one I always got a kick out of was measuring the goalies pads. As the
game progesses they tend to flatten somewhat and get a little wider.
Nothing like calling that one late in the game....
'Saw
|
| 11.349 | hokey at its best | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Fri Jun 04 1993 11:26 | 20 |
| I don't like the move but the BLAM belongs to Melrose and McFilthy.
Hey, anything's fair and those dorks shoulda covered all bases instead
of looking for the correct gel for their hair.
Ya think they'll padlock their dressing room nexted time in Mtl?
Me smells a Habitant rat, wonder which Ogre flunky was sneaking around
the Kings dressing room. If Habs win Cup, they should give this
jamoke a lifetime contract. Low move but legal.
No one seems to be bitching about the tying goal as a result of this
penalty. Some Canadien was camped out right in the crease when
Desjardins scored, and wasn't pushed in. Ol' HairFlambe Fraser
swallowed his whistle. No b*lls.
MikeL
|
| 11.350 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Jun 04 1993 11:27 | 1 |
| I take it they actually caught someone with an oversized stick?
|
| 11.351 | Huh? | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Jun 04 1993 11:28 | 10 |
| Mike, better stick to Roger and Wade bashing. It's well known by
hockey fans that it was primarily due to Moog that the Broons made it
to their recent trips to the Cup finals. It's also well known that the
primary reason they lost to Edmonton both times, and to Pittsburgh in
the Conference Finals, was a lack of offense beyond their first line.
Jes' trying to shed some facks to the discussion. And could you please
pass that bong this way? :^)
Mark.
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| 11.352 | sneaky b*stards | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Fri Jun 04 1993 12:44 | 9 |
| Mac,
The refs, per Canadien request, measured Marty McSorley's stick with
under 2 minutes remaining with the Kings ahaid 2-1. Stick was 1/4 "
too "curvy", thus penalty on Kings, Habs score to tie up game, win in
OT.
MikeL
|
| 11.353 | couldn't happen to a better person, either | MKFSA::LONG | It's boots and chaps, it's cowboy hats, | Fri Jun 04 1993 12:54 | 13 |
| >> Mac,
>> The refs, per Canadien request, measured Marty McSorley's stick with
>> under 2 minutes remaining with the Kings ahaid 2-1. Stick was 1/4 "
>> too "curvy", thus penalty on Kings, Habs score to tie up game, win in
>> OT.
>>
>> MikeL
Now that's more like it. A pro sport enforcing the RULES of the game.
billl
|
| 11.354 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Madonna&Charles,SittingInATree... | Fri Jun 04 1993 12:54 | 5 |
| I thought it was a smart, gutsy call by Demers. If he had been
wrong will less than 2 minutes left, games over and LesHacks head out
to L.A. down 2-0. I still think the Kinks will win in 6.
/Don
|
| 11.355 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Fri Jun 04 1993 13:26 | 9 |
|
Guy Carbineau (SP) Noticed in game in 1 that 2 Queens were using
illegal sticks. Smart call by Demers, and he got the W as a result.
Why he even had a stick with that much of a curve on it is beyond me.
Stupid for any player to have illegal equipment when playing for lord
Stanley.
_TH
|
| 11.356 | hear anything about "X" | CNTROL::CHILDS | Clemens caught without his cape AGAIN! | Fri Jun 04 1993 13:58 | 7 |
|
OOH Marky you vulture you.... ;^)
Good points but I still don't think anymore of Moog now. I've seen enough
easy ones get by him when the pressure's on....
mike
|
| 11.357 | ex | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Jun 04 1993 15:22 | 8 |
| X has a new album out called "<mumble> Zeus". I read somewhere that
Exena Cervenka and John Doe are again happily married. Haven't heard
it yet. I'll probably pick it up this weekend.
Regarding Moog's performance this year, I agree. But it's a stretch to
say he's been that way for the last 7 years.
Mark.
|
| 11.358 | MON 2, LAK 1 in SCF | CSC32::A_PARRACO | I vent, therefore I am ... | Sun Jun 06 1993 11:55 | 8 |
|
The Kings lose Game 3, 4-3, in OT. Kings down 3-0, score 3 straight
in the the 3rd period. Habs score (some French guy I think) less than
a minute into the OT ...
Tough loss, Game 4 Monday night at 7:00 PM MDT on ESPN.
- acp
|
| 11.359 | Did I say, I cain't stand les Habs?! | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Sun Jun 06 1993 19:59 | 13 |
| Looks like the year for les Ogres. Nine (9) OT wins??! Amazing.
What's this I hear about Guy Carbonneau "covering" up a loose puck
in the crease with time exzpiring in OT? Dat's a penalty shot if true.
Anyone see the game?
BTW, Jogn LeClair scored in OT fer les Habs. Don't know for sure his
nationality, ("not that it matters" SEinfeld) but ah believes he's
an American who went to UVm,.
MikeL
|
| 11.360 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Gunga Drain Indian type WaterBoy | Mon Jun 07 1993 10:00 | 3 |
|
he did it near the end of regulation not OT. Les Habs won it 34 seconds into
the OT....
|
| 11.361 | | CAMONE::WAY | The sloop is pointing north | Mon Jun 07 1993 10:43 | 27 |
| I was only half paying attention to the game at that point, but I don't
think Carbonneau gathered it in.
At one point, John Davidson was calling for the penalty shot (during the
break between Period 3 and OT) but then viewed the replay again and said no.
I'd take his word for it.
LeClair scored. French sounding name, but I agree with Mike. I'm 95%
sure he's American and I know he DID go to University of Vermont.
Big article on the Faux Fans in LA who are jumping on the bandwagon.
Several neat quotes from the two reporters in LA who've regularly been
covering the Kings, and were ruding on the other media who all of a sudden
discovered that the Kings have an opportunity to win a championship.
Of course, someone had to explain to them what hockey was first.
One of the actually said "The Bandwagon is about to break what with all the
celebrities jumping on it". Goldie Hawn's picture was in the paper, and
about how she's showing up at the games.....
Melrose said he's being recognized more now too.
'Saw
|
| 11.362 | | GENRAL::WADE | We've got a hole! | Mon Jun 07 1993 11:48 | 5 |
|
MikeC's favorite president was there. I don't know if
he'll remember the game though......
Claybone
|
| 11.363 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Mon Jun 07 1993 11:56 | 18 |
|
re Clay -
I wish I had a tape of a Canucks/Kings playoff game when Ron and Nancy
were there, the CBC announcers had me rollward. They showed a replay
of them watching the game. the announcer says "Watch how their heads
dont' move, just stare straight ahead - I don't think either one of
them cain see the puck!"
Anyway, Les Habs up 2-1.
Re the Stick:
Imagine any ref in the NBA having the guts to call a penalty against
Sir Nathan Detroit Jordan (TM) or Charlie Barkley in the last minute
that turns the game, and possibly the series around. NOT!
JD
|
| 11.364 | Games shouldn't be decided by such... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jun 07 1993 12:07 | 19 |
|
> Imagine any ref in the NBA having the guts to call a penalty against
> Sir Nathan Detroit Jordan (TM) or Charlie Barkley in the last minute
> that turns the game, and possibly the series around. NOT!
But we're talking about an equipment violation, something of a
technicality. Will McDonough had it right in this weekend's paper: it
makes hokey look bad when a guy can play with "illegal" equipment all
game long (in fact, more than a few players do) and then have the game
decided on it when the coach (not the refs) decides to take action
out of desperation. At best it looks bush league and unsporting, at
worst it creates suspicion. It's the equivalent of the bogus initial
ruling when Billy Martin protested George Brett's bat for the amount of
pine tar on it *after* he a home run with it, and got away with it (for
a while). Petty, and a bad rule...
glenn
|
| 11.365 | | CGOOA::DEVLIN | LayinInBedJustLikeBrianWilsonDid | Mon Jun 07 1993 12:15 | 13 |
|
Glenn -
I'd rather that then watch a Fantastik ball game when there's rules
infractions for 48 minutes. When there's rules for Superstars, for
Stars, and for mere regular players.
And like /Don said, if it was *legal* the Habs are penalized and its
over. Kings up 2-0.
The fack Will McDonough says it look bogus means nothing. Will's a
network shill now.
JD
|
| 11.366 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jun 07 1993 12:32 | 31 |
|
> I'd rather that then watch a Fantastik ball game when there's rules
> infractions for 48 minutes. When there's rules for Superstars, for
> Stars, and for mere regular players.
There's not a special set of rules for Wayne and Mario? That's what
I've been hearing. Both sports are heavily influenced by the referees
relative to baseball and football, which is part of the reason I
can enjoy those two sports without having to worry too much about who's
in the striped shirts and what strings might be pulled.
> And like /Don said, if it was *legal* the Habs are penalized and its
> over. Kings up 2-0.
What did he really have to lose? I'm confident that Demers was 99% sure
of what he was doing, and Montreal hadn't scored with a man advantage in,
what, 30 straight power plays or something? I actually believed
Melrose when he said he wouldn't make such a call. The guy takes a lot
of abuse, perhaps deservedly, but I believed him on that one. You
rarely see that call and you know that coaches could ask for it out of
desperation many times, and actually get the call. Small risk, much to
gain...
> The fack Will McDonough says it look bogus means nothing. Will's a
> network shill now.
Didn't say it meant anything special, just that others are shaking
their heads. Network shills aren't supposed to ask tough questions.
glenn
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| 11.367 | | CAM3::WAY | The sloop is pointing north | Mon Jun 07 1993 13:01 | 16 |
| Personally, I think it was a great thing to do.
The rule is there, and is very rarely ever used. If I remember correctly,
one of the reasons that the rule was put in was that the puck has more
of a tendency to dip and bob when fired off a curved stick, and the more
the curve, the more the tendency. So the limits were instituted.
Demers knew he was down, and would be in a much worse position, so he makes
the call. If he's wrong, his chances are totally blown.....
I'd liken it to an appeal play in baseball, on whether or not a guy
left early or without tagging.....
'S?aw
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| 11.368 | Rat on, JD!! | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Mon Jun 07 1993 13:05 | 1 |
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| 11.369 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jun 07 1993 13:10 | 13 |
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> I'd liken it to an appeal play in baseball, on whether or not a guy
> left early or without tagging.....
But that's an appeal of the play's execution, which lies at the essence
of the game. I'd liken it to a call to measure a fielder's glove, which
if not regulation is thrown out of the game, with no penalty. Perhaps
in hockey the violation is considered more serious, and akin to
"cheating", like a pitcher caught with a thumbtack or something. But
to hear Demers praise McSorley's high character you wouldn't know it...
glenn
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| 11.370 | | RUGBY1::way | The sloop is pointing north | Mon Jun 07 1993 13:40 | 13 |
| Well, first off Glenn, Demer's isn't going to give the Kings anything to
rally around, so even if McSorely tortured dogs and burned babies alive,
he'd say good things about him 8^)
You had a better analogy with the pitcher. And if I'm not mistaken, if the
pitcher gets caught with grease or an emory board or the like, he's tossed,
right?
At any rate, it turned out to be a good move for Les Habs...
'Saw
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| 11.371 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jun 07 1993 14:33 | 11 |
|
> You had a better analogy with the pitcher. And if I'm not mistaken, if the
> pitcher gets caught with grease or an emory board or the like, he's tossed,
> right?
Yup, and likely suspended. In baseball, this is a very heinous crime
of commission indeed, where the illegal glove could be merely an
innocent one of omission...
glenn
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| 11.372 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Mon Jun 07 1993 14:37 | 11 |
|
Players are responsible for thier own equipment, Mcsorley must have
known it was illegal, and I suppose Demers new it was illegal from game
one. He just waited for the right time to make the call. Called doing
your homework, and being prepared for the game.
Smart move by the Habs, momentum switched to them, and who is Melrose
tring to fool with his "I would'nt make that call" Hor$e$hit he
would'nt. This is the cup finals, just in case he did'nt know.
-TH
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| 11.373 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Gunga Drain Indian type WaterBoy | Mon Jun 07 1993 14:56 | 13 |
|
> Smart move by the Habs, momentum switched to them, and who is Melrose
> tring to fool with his "I would'nt make that call" Hor$e$hit he
> would'nt. This is the cup finals, just in case he did'nt know.
I don't know -TH, Melrose looks like he's in for the exposure more than the
cup....
it was low down good for nothin' move in my opinion, in case anyone's
interested...
mike
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| 11.374 | | RUGBY1::way | The sloop is pointing north | Mon Jun 07 1993 15:00 | 11 |
| Well, the stick rule was instituted for safety, I believe, so it would
be more than the case of a too-big glove.
I can't be positive with hockey sticks, but I don't think the curve in the
stick "grows" with usage. A goalies pads will spread over time. The call
on the goalies pads is kind of low, but these guys curve their sticks with
a blow torch, and McSorely must've known what he was doing.
'Saw
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| 11.375 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Mon Jun 07 1993 15:25 | 9 |
| Minor nit: didn't LA score the 3 goals in the 2nd period??
The curve on the stick really affects how much the puch rises and
then does tricks. At the NHL level it probably does not matter that
much, but when I played hockey (street hockey) I always curved the
stick as much as I could so I could get lift on a wrist shot.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.376 | | RUGBY1::way | The sloop is pointing north | Mon Jun 07 1993 15:32 | 8 |
| The thing with the puck rising and bobbing and weaving, coupled with the
speed of Bobby Hull's slap shot, instituted the ruling. I think they were
afraid that Hull would kill someone.
Imagine a 100mph knuckleball 8^)
'Saw
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| 11.377 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Mon Jun 07 1993 16:22 | 49 |
|
With the advent of curved sticks came the high rising slap and wrist
shot. Remeber when hockey was truly a mainly sport and the goalies had
no masks ? With the flat blade sticks the shot rarely went above the
waist, and the curved stick made eat rubber.
Alot of players have thier sticks custom made, and no two are alike.
Mcsorley I'm sure has a spec to his sticks which is boarderline, and a
certain few came out illegal. So what, everyone does it, and it only
matters if you get caught. Well Marty got caught alright, and it turned
out to be his biggest NHL blunder.
Mike, you're probably right on Melrose. This is his 15 minutes of
Worhal fame!
Another thing about the sticks, The curve is measured from Heel to Tip.
All the power comes from the heel on both wrist shots and slap shots.
Snap shots are a little different because you can 'snap' the stick,
take your wrists and position as gripping a hockey stick. Snap your
wrists from side to side and you get the idea. A good shooter always
has a good snap shot, due to it's quick release. The shot can go
anywhere off the end of the blade, but target is again heel to center
on the blade for maximun accuracy and power.
The big problem is when taking a wrist/slap shot the puck will rise up
the blade if you don't have good balance or control of the puck. The
curve in the stick will allow the speed and course of the puck to
become, A: faster, B: unpredictable. (Kind of like a Jai-ali stick)
Shooters with less power on a shot may make up for it with a superduper
banana curve. Again, control and accuracy are sacrificed, but with
speed comes another advantage, blowing it by the goalie.
So the 2" curve rule came in, or whatever it's called. Anyone have an
exact definition of the stick rule ?
Toughest shot to stop for a goalie is none of the above, it's the
backhand.
Melrose would be wise to collect all broken sticks after practices in
opposing rinks and his home rink. Nothing like having a trainer form
the opposite team pick out a stick from the trash, measure it, and
laugh as he tells the coach. Melrose has egg on his face for this one,
and Demers pulled the trigger at the right time. Kinda took the sting
out of Melrose's shot, no ?
-TH
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| 11.378 | | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Mon Jun 07 1993 16:40 | 13 |
|
>> but when I played hockey (street hockey) I always curved the
>>stick as much as I could so I could get lift on a wrist shot.
>>The Crazy Met
Coupla reverse curls in yo' yout' and you wouldn't need the curved
stick there Craze. Also ya never woulda had female SPORTSTERS
challenging ya to arm wrasslin'
HTH and 8^)
MikeL
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| 11.379 | | ROYALT::ASHE | RedSox, Northwestern, Lucci | Tue Jun 08 1993 01:47 | 2 |
| Habs win again in OT... 4-3...
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| 11.380 | | CAMONE::WAY | The sloop is pointing north | Tue Jun 08 1993 09:29 | 14 |
| > Habs win again in OT... 4-3...
Minor nit, Walt, it was 3-2....
Who scored the winner?
I heard the end of the 3rd on WFAN on my way home, was tempted to sit up
and watch the OT, but decided I'd better get some sleep instead...
'Saw
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| 11.381 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue Jun 08 1993 10:04 | 4 |
| John Leclair dents the twine in O.T. and is the hero of the Habs.
Lats two games he buried it in O.T.
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| 11.382 | | CAMONE::WAY | The sloop is pointing north | Tue Jun 08 1993 10:06 | 16 |
| > John Leclair dents the twine in O.T. and is the hero of the Habs.
>
> Lats two games he buried it in O.T.
Tell me this man is not going to have some phenomenal stories to tell
his grandchildren.
I saw his goal last Saturday night -- sweet play. He had three opportunities,
and the puck somehow kept finding his stick. Last one was the charm.
Now I wish I had stayed up to watch the ending....
'Saw
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| 11.383 | | ZEKE::SAIA | It's a great day for Roadracing | Tue Jun 08 1993 10:34 | 17 |
| Overall this has been one hell of a playoff series, all divisions had
some great games.
Hrudey has impressed me with his goaltending, before I thought he was
just an average guy between the pipes, but he has come up big.
Zhitnick has'nt been the same since being flattened in Toronto, he's
still looking over his shoulder when digging the boards. He gets a
little timid when he hears Tacks comming his way.
Good up and down action last night, I liked Mullers first goal for the
Habs. The opposing center made a Bantam mistake by not tying up his man
and Muller buried it. If I were Melrose I would have cuffed him one.
Can't wait for the next game, Hopefully I'll see Lord Stanley raised !
Is that the most awesome sports trophy or what.
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| 11.384 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Tue Jun 08 1993 11:48 | 3 |
| Les Habs supposedly have the record with the most consecutive playoff
appearances in sports (40+). Does anyone know if they have the best
winning percentage in all of sports too?
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| 11.385 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Jun 08 1993 12:06 | 6 |
|
I am guessing that record was set in the 1920's-1960's??
I would guess the Celtics and Yankees would also have pretty high percentages.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.386 | | CAM3::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Tue Jun 08 1993 12:23 | 26 |
| Montreal appearances by decade
1927-1929 1 0-1
1930-1939 2 2-0
1940-1949 3 2-1
1950-1959 9 5-4
1960-1969 6 5-1
1970-1979 6 6-0
1980-1989 2 1-1
1990-1992 0 0-0
--- -----
29 21-8 .724
Yankees 36 app, 24W 12L .666
Celtics 19 app 16W 3L .842
I might have miss-tallied, but these are damn close....
'Saw
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| 11.387 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Tue Jun 08 1993 17:45 | 2 |
| That confirms what I thought. Now to flog that local renegade Habs
fan.
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| 11.388 | | LJOHUB::CRITZ | | Wed Jun 09 1993 09:16 | 7 |
| RE: 11.326 and Dyan Cannon...
I saw her in the stands during Game 4.
Are you a prophet or what?
Scott
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| 11.389 | | CAMONE::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Wed Jun 09 1993 09:36 | 32 |
| >Montreal appearances by decade
>
>
> 1927-1929 1 0-1
> 1930-1939 2 2-0
> 1940-1949 3 2-1
> 1950-1959 9 5-4
> 1960-1969 6 5-1
> 1970-1979 6 6-0
> 1980-1989 2 1-1
> 1990-1992 0 0-0
> --- -----
> 29 21-8 .724
I took this out of the World Alamanac.
My NHL Record Book and Media Guide goes farther back thatn 1927, but
I didn't have that here.
I believe right now that the Habs are playing for their 24th Cup,
which many are touting is the best championship tally in all of sports.
However, Glasgow Celtic, in the Scottish Premier League has won at least
39 league titles (their equivalent of the Champeenship) in their 105
year history.
hth,
'Saw
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| 11.390 | don't use no butter, don't use no margarine! | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Wed Jun 09 1993 10:05 | 14 |
|
Yabbut historically speaking, I believe that in the history of the NHL,
only one (1) team has ever come back from a 1-3 record in da finals of
Lord Stanley's cup.
Toronto Maple Leafs.
snort sniff schlep!
I remain,
sticking a fork in 'em - they're toast!
Kev
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| 11.391 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Wed Jun 09 1993 10:21 | 4 |
| One team came back from 0-3 in the Stanley Cup Finals to win it.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.392 | or could it be da broons? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Wed Jun 09 1993 10:28 | 11 |
|
TcM,
That wouldn't happen to be the Islanders by chance, would it?
deening to wonk,
I remain,
100% confident that I'm either right or wrong!
Kev
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| 11.393 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Jun 09 1993 10:51 | 6 |
| I thought the Celtics had 4 losses in the finals? Back in the 40's
or early 50's?
Don't know for sure.
JD
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| 11.394 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Jun 09 1993 10:51 | 6 |
| And Mike H -
Why would you care. You are a Suns fain now. Or are you a Celtics
fain when talking history?
JD
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| 11.395 | | RUGBY1::way | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Wed Jun 09 1993 11:01 | 8 |
| JD,
I might have missed one in the tally. I took a quick run through the
lists in the World Alamanac and it wasn't laid out in a way that made
it really easy to do that....
'Saw
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| 11.396 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Wed Jun 09 1993 12:20 | 5 |
|
Kev, Isles did it in the second round. The Stanley Cup finals where
that happened was in the 1940's or 1950's and it was Detroit vs. Toronto.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.397 | | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Wed Jun 09 1993 12:48 | 6 |
| I believe the Montreal Maroons(no joke) won in the 1920's.
AQlso da Leafs won the 1942 Stanley Cup coming back from a 0-3 deficit
MikeL
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| 11.398 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Thu Jun 10 1993 00:48 | 4 |
| Canadians win game 5 4-1 and take series 4-1.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.399 | their 23rd Cup | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu Jun 10 1993 01:48 | 1 |
|
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| 11.400 | SNARF! | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu Jun 10 1993 01:49 | 1 |
|
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| 11.401 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Thu Jun 10 1993 02:16 | 4 |
| 24th cup.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.402 | Kings D looked overwelmed from the git-go | MKFSA::LONG | JaKe - now that's a poster child! | Thu Jun 10 1993 02:55 | 7 |
| What was most impressive to me was the way that the Habs took the
game right at the Kings. It continued right up until the last minute
of play. I saw very little coasting at all even when the game was
well in hand. Now that's what I like to see in the Cup finals!
billl
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| 11.403 | Wonder how da Broons feel now? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Jun 10 1993 09:25 | 1 |
|
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| 11.404 | | MKFSA::LONG | Pump it up! A little more to the left. | Thu Jun 10 1993 09:27 | 5 |
| Like they should have gone for the pin instead of laying up on
the last hole.
billl
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| 11.405 | | CAMONE::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:22 | 6 |
| It was great to see a REAL hockey team beat up on LA and all their
faux fans. Now po' po' Dyan Cannon has to go find something else to
do.
'Saw
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| 11.406 | Les Pukes win again....sigh | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:23 | 18 |
| Congrats to les Ogres. Number 24, wow.
I haven't been this excited since Prince decided to change his name
to ~squiggly-thang. Gonna change me and the ball'n'chain's names to
: and ; and pay no bills. When they come looking for Mr and Mrs MikeL,
I'm gonna say, "No hablo dudes, we be : and ;.
Anyhoo, the Canadiens showed all_a_hockey how it's done ( take note
Pittfallboig and the Broons). But somebody want ta tell me all this
balderdfash with weepy Denis Savard? Thought I was watching a Tiny
Tim/Alan Alda love in after the game. They're all hugging and kissing
Mr NoShow Savard and he's all_a_weepin". As if he had anything to do
with les Habs winning the Cup. Wish I coulda reached through the screen
and given Denis a few mainly slaps upside the haid. He and Jacques
Demers, that buttkisser. Am I enthused, naaaaaa.
MikeL
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| 11.407 | Detriot-style riots in June! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:29 | 1 |
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| 11.408 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Saw: Home of the Big Johnson catalog | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:31 | 1 |
| Montreal: No est place pour wimp�s...
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| 11.409 | "Those fans don't derserve a champeenship" | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:33 | 9 |
| Say it ain't so.
Rioting and looting in Montreal. Jeez ya think it'd become old
hat after 24 of them.
Peasants!
MikeL
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| 11.410 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Jun 10 1993 10:52 | 4 |
|
Hey, if'n Sir Charles cain import his own personal heckler, who'se to
say Les Habs cain't import their own riot'rs from Detriot?
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| 11.411 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Jun 10 1993 13:32 | 3 |
| � Canadians win game 5 4-1 and take series 4-1.
So much for Mr. Breen's prediction of the refs taking this series to 7.
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| 11.412 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Momma's all right, daddy's all right | Thu Jun 10 1993 14:18 | 3 |
| All of Detriot's rioters were ready to go to Toronto... they stayed
behind for the Jays-Tigers series thised weekend...
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| 11.413 | they just seem a little wierd | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu Jun 10 1993 15:22 | 1 |
| Montriot(tm) - where Detriot meets Bob & Doug Mackenzie
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| 11.414 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | | Thu Jun 10 1993 16:42 | 12 |
|
>> <<< Note 11.402 by MKFSA::LONG "JaKe - now that's a poster child!" >>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EXCUSE ME!!!! Just what in the hail are you referring to, Mr. Long????
Lest you fergit I have 6 unopened 16 ounce Iron City's in Clemente cans
that it wouldn't take too much persuading to get me to drain.
JaKe
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| 11.415 | Kings were weak | AKOCOA::BREEN | Beneath the Pale Moonlight | Thu Jun 10 1993 17:03 | 18 |
| >� Canadians win game 5 4-1 and take series 4-1.
>> So much for Mr. Breen's prediction of the refs taking this series
>>to 7.
barf.
one point. considering on the many kings power plays they could barely
get a shot off last night mere ref(s) couldn't change things.
It was more wishful thinking than anything. the real wishful thinking
was that leafs would be in final.
and my prediction of suns in 7 is looking pretty weak too; anyone for
my stock picks?
Low-to-the-ground Bill
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| 11.416 | don't make me beg | MKFSA::LONG | Pump it up! A little more to the left. | Thu Jun 10 1993 17:55 | 22 |
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>> >> <<< Note 11.402 by MKFSA::LONG "JaKe - now that's a poster child!" >>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>> EXCUSE ME!!!! Just what in the hail are you referring to, Mr. Long????
>>
>> Lest you fergit I have 6 unopened 16 ounce Iron City's in Clemente cans
>> that it wouldn't take too much persuading to get me to drain.
>>
>> JaKe
Twern't nuttin' to it. Actually, it is exactly what I said to my son
when I opened the Clemente poster up in front of him. Only in that
case I said, "Randy, now that's a poster, child!"
His quick response was, "Who you callin' a poster child?"
I just figured you'd appreciated more the way I put it in a p-name.
billl
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| 11.417 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Prince:'just call me..er..sumthin!' | Thu Jun 10 1993 18:01 | 8 |
| Ok billl,
Yer lucky, I was gonna call the wifee to ice down that sixer so's I
could stark pounding them brews when I get home tonight, but now I'll
leave them full fer ya.
JaKe
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| 11.418 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Thu Jun 10 1993 18:03 | 3 |
| hey wait a minute, I thought you were saving that 6 pack for me??
The Crazy Met
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| 11.419 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Prince:'just call me..er..sumthin!' | Thu Jun 10 1993 18:07 | 10 |
| re-.1
TCM,
I thunk ya just wanted some empties and maybe a full can or two.
Enlighten me
JaKe
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| 11.420 | | MKFSA::LONG | Pump it up! A little more to the left. | Thu Jun 10 1993 18:07 | 6 |
| The day a 'burgh fan gives Iron City Beer to a New Yuck fan instead
of another loyal 'burgher will be the day the Ohio flows into the
Allegheny and Monogahela.
billl
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| 11.421 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Thu Jun 10 1993 21:53 | 5 |
| Well we discussed it and bowing to your judgment I decided to
take full cans.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.422 | pre-consumed? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Jun 10 1993 22:34 | 8 |
|
Yabbut what if'n JaKe decides to "recycle" it first and THEN seal the
can?
I remain,
wondering if it would taste any different?
Kev
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| 11.423 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Prince:'just call me..er..sumthin!' | Thu Jun 10 1993 22:36 | 11 |
|
>>I remain,
>>wondering if it would taste any different?
>>Kev
That's a good question, as far as Iron City beer goes!
(8^)
JaKe
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| 11.424 | Take it to the friggin' Junk Note! | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Jun 11 1993 13:19 | 1 |
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| 11.425 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Madonna&Charles,SittingInATree... | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:21 | 6 |
| I still feed bad for the poor saps who have been a Kings fan since
their inception that had to give up their front row seats for the
Glitterattai. Geez, I hope they get Rue De Sainte Catherine fixed up by
the time Denny and I go there this summer.
/Don
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| 11.426 | | RUGBY1::way | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:52 | 9 |
| /Don,
Those po' po' original fains (all two of them) should know better than
to root for an LA team. It's in their season ticket contract that should
any team from LA win and go to the playoffs, they have to give up their
seats to celebs who LOOK good, but know nothing about the sport......
'Saw
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| 11.427 | | DECWET::METZGER | PBS = Profitable Barney Service | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:08 | 5 |
|
The comic tank McNamara has been doing a pretty good job ripping into phaux
fans lately, especially in Basketball...
Metz
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| 11.428 | | AKOCOA::J_RODOPOULOS | | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:10 | 6 |
| Re: .426
Now that you mention it I thought I saw dyan Cannon screaming double
dribble during the hockey game.
John "D Cowboys" R.
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| 11.429 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Shake your body down to the ground... | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:47 | 2 |
| Dyan Cannon... double dribble... nah never mind..
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| 11.430 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Canseco,Barkley,/Don? | Fri Jun 11 1993 20:19 | 2 |
| Isn't that what happened after the Dr. said "Ooops" during her last
surgery?
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| 11.431 | Red Wing trade Ysebaert... | CAM3::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Mon Jun 14 1993 10:35 | 27 |
| From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey,clari.local.michigan
Subject: Red Wings send Ysebaert to Winnipeg
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
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DETROIT (UPI) -- The Detroit Red Wings made another move Friday toward
reshuffling their club after another early playoff exit, trading left
wing Paul Ysebaert to the Winnipeg Jets for prospect Aaron Ward, a
fourth-round pick in this month's draft and future considerations.
Ward, a 20-year-old defenseman, spent the last three years at
Michigan State University. He was the Jets' top pick in the 1988 draft.
Ysebaert, 27, scored 34 goals, tied for third on the team, and had 28
assists in 80 games this past season.
Acquired from the New Jersey Devils in 1990, Ysebaert scored 35 goals
and 75 points in 1991-92, his first full season with Detroit, and led
the NHL in plus-minus with a plus-44 rating.
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| 11.432 | Bowman believed to be taking over as Redwings coach | CAMONE::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Tue Jun 15 1993 10:36 | 41 |
| From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey,clari.local.michigan,clari.local.pennsylvania
Subject: Red Wings set to name Bowman as coach
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 21:01:58 PDT
Location: michigan, canada, pennsylvania
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DETROIT (UPI) -- The Detroit Red Wings scheduled a Tuesday morning
news conference, at which time it is believed they will name the
legendary Scotty Bowman as their new head coach.
Bowman is the winningest coach in NHL history with 969 regular-season
and playoff triumphs. He stepped down from a front-office position to
guide the Pittsburgh Penguins to the Stanley Cup in 1992. He directed
the Montreal Canadiens to five Stanley Cups in the 1970s.
Bowman would succeed Bryan Murray, who recently resigned as head
coach of the Red Wings to concentrate solely on his general manager
duties.
Bowman took over as head coach of the Penguins prior to the 1991-92
season when head coach Bob Johnson became terminally ill. Bowman, who
had been in the Penguins' front office since June 1990, won his sixth
Stanley Cup with the Penguins last spring.
The Penguins were ousted by the New York Islanders last month in the
Patrick Division Finals, falling short in their bid to win three
straight Stanley Cups.
Bowman began his coaching career in 1967 with St. Louis and led the
Blues to three Stanley Cup Final appearances from 1968 to 1970. He
coached the Canadiens from 1971 to 1979 and won five Stanley Cups in
that span, including four straight from 1976 to 1979.
Murray, as coach/general manager, guided Detroit to a 47-28-9 record
and a second-place finish in the Norris Division this past season. The
Red Wings were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs by the
Toronto Maple Leafs.
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| 11.433 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Tue Jun 15 1993 11:37 | 27 |
| Congrats to The Habs.
Jacques Demers deserves a lot of credit. In the first round, when the Nordiques
where up 2-0, it looked over for les Habs. Patrick Roy had let in some bad goals,
and the French Press was calling on Demers to bench him. Demers, citing that
Roy was his only superstar, stuck with Roy. Roy was spectacular from than on.
Demers also started in Game 5 a defenseman who had played in 38 regular season
games, but not much in the playoffs. He hadn't played int he finals, and by
Stanley Cup rules, wouldn't be able to have his name engraved on the cup. Demers
started him in Game 5, and he will be forever on the cup. It was that type of
coach/player relationship that drove the Havs throughout the playoffs.
On Den Savard. Listening to the CBC games, it seems that Denny is well loved
in Canada, and many were rooting for him to finally get his name on the Cup.
Demers benched him a few times in the playoffs - using Savard as an assistant
coach.
Only King I feel for is DAVE TAYLOR, who has been there forever. Woulda been
nice for him to carry around the Cup. But at least he finally played for a team
that made it past the second round...
The Habs always seemed to be able to dig down and find a new hero to complement
Roy's steady play - Kirk Muller, John LeClair, Guy Carbonneau, Patrice Brisbois,
etc....
JD
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| 11.434 | | CAM3::WAY | Ye can nae dispute tha' | Tue Jun 15 1993 11:59 | 12 |
| I saw a thing on ESPN the other evening about the history of the
Stanley Cup, hosted by Ken Dryden.
I guess the tradition of the Captain taking a lap with the Cup started
in the 70s and continued through the 80s, until the Pens started the
tradition of each player taking a small portion of the lap with the Cup.
Dryden, when he won all those Cups, never had a chance to hoist it,
so at the end of the show he did... It was kind of neat.
'Saw
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| 11.435 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Jun 15 1993 12:14 | 5 |
|
Candaians did not come back from a 3-1 deficit in the first round, last
few winners had all done that; but 2-0 is not too shabby.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.436 | Draft results | ROYALT::ASHE | Well, 19 tequilas later, we had a deal | Thu Jun 24 1993 17:52 | 42 |
| Slugword: hkn-draft
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At Quebec City, Canada
(Overall selection by position in parentheses)
Florida Panthers
Goaltenders
John Vanbiesbrouck, Vancouver (1), Mark Fitzpatrick, Quebec
(4), Darren Puppa, Toronto (5).
Defensemen
Milan Tichy, Chicago (1), Paul Laus, Pittsburgh (4), Joe Cirella,
N.Y. Rangers (6), Alexander Godynyuk, Calgary (7), Gord Murphy, Dallas
(9), Steve Bancroft, Winnipeg (12), Stephane Richer, Boston (14), Gord
Hynes, Philadelphia (15).
Forwards
Tom Fitzgerald, N.Y. Islanders (2), Jesse Belanger, Montreal
(3), Scott Levins, Winnipeg (5), Scott Mellanby, Edmonton (8), Brian
Skrudland, Calgary (10), Mike Hough, Washington (11), Dave Lowry, St.
Louis (13), Bill Lindsay, Quebec (16), Andre Lomakin, Philadelphia
(18), Randy Gilhen, Tampa Bay (19).
Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Goaltenders
Guy Hebert, St. Louis (2), Glenn Healy, N.Y. Islanders (3),
Ron Tugnutt, Edmonton (6).
Defensemen
Alexei Kasatonov, New Jersey (2), Sean Hill, Montreal (3),
Bill Houlder, Buffalo (5), Bobby Dollas, Detroit (8), Randy Ladouceur,
Hartford (10), David Williams, San Jose (11), Dennis Vial, Tampa Bay
(13), Mark Ferner, Ottawa (16).
Forwards
Steven King, N.Y. Rangers (1), Tim Sweeney, Boston (4), Troy
Loney, Pittsburgh (6), Stu Grimson, Chicago (7), Terry Yake, Hartford
(9), Jarrod Skalde, New Jersey (12), Bob Corkum, Buffalo (14), Anatoli
Semenov, Vancouver (15), Joe Sacco, Toronto (17).
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| 11.437 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | JudgeTierney-ARapist'sBestFriend | Fri Jun 25 1993 14:06 | 7 |
| There was a small article in this week's TSN about how employees of
the LameDucks have to adhere to the same dress code that's employed in
DisneyWorld. The one that got me was they *had* to wear underwear.
Guess the blonde who sells cotton candy right outside my section at the
Garden will never be able to work for the LameDucks.
/Don
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| 11.438 | | CAMONE::WAY | Nobles of the Mystic Shrine | Mon Jun 28 1993 09:18 | 11 |
| > There was a small article in this week's TSN about how employees of
> the LameDucks have to adhere to the same dress code that's employed in
> DisneyWorld. The one that got me was they *had* to wear underwear.
> Guess the blonde who sells cotton candy right outside my section at the
> Garden will never be able to work for the LameDucks.
I wonder if the LameDucks will have someone in charge of doing an
underwear check?
'Saw
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| 11.439 | Sounds like a nice job---AS LONG its girls..... | MACNAS::PRIDGE | Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup Finalists '92 | Mon Jun 28 1993 14:59 | 4 |
|
Reply 11.438
Where do I send resume to?
Pat
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| 11.440 | | WREATH::DEVLIN | Agassi - the Hairless wonder... | Wed Jun 30 1993 10:32 | 3 |
| Quinn of the Canucks called the Mighty Ducks GM "The Head Duck" - hahahahaha
JD
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| 11.441 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Imus is coming to Boston | Wed Jun 30 1993 13:27 | 1 |
| Would you call the MightyDucks' team physician a quack?
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| 11.442 | Who's gonna dress up as Daisy the mascot | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Wed Jun 30 1993 13:42 | 6 |
| Ouch /!
Jest for that you get hit over the haid wif a mallard.
MikeL
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| 11.443 | I cain hear the whoops of joy in Marlboro! ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's gonna wear maternity clothes! | Thu Aug 12 1993 17:35 | 17 |
|
bzzzt click clack rmmmmm bzzzt
(sounds of warming up the "Oh happy day" machine)
I am happy to announce, primarily for the Sawmains enjoyment, that the
city of Harfaa and the owner(s) of the Harfaa Whalers have agreed in
principle to a 20 year agreement which will allow the GoWhale! to
remain in the city!!!!
You'ze such a lucky guy!
I remain,
the bearer of happiness and great news!
Kev
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| 11.444 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Aug 12 1993 17:39 | 3 |
| How about dem new Whaler commercials! Hey, if the Atlanta Braves and
Dallas Cowboys can zoom from doormat to champ in a short time, why not
the Whalers. Line up for your season tickets now, you lemmings.
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| 11.445 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Noone loves me but my mother... | Thu Aug 12 1993 17:46 | 3 |
| Vladimir Ruzicka (sp?) signs with Ottawa. Sinden calls him a no-good
commie...
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| 11.446 | | CAM3::WAY | Sweet Home Chicago | Thu Aug 12 1993 18:10 | 4 |
| You've got to hand it to Burke and his staff. At least they are trying....
'Saw
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| 11.447 | | DECWET::METZGER | Non-alcoholic beer. What's the point? | Thu Aug 12 1993 20:15 | 9 |
|
My out-laws were here last week. They live outside of Haarfa and are disgusted
with the Whalers and the plans for the new mega-plex. They don't think it will
ever get off the ground and are predicting the Whalers move in 2-3 years.
Of course they were bitching about the state income tax as much as anything..
Metz
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| 11.448 | | CAM3::WAY | Sweet Home Chicago | Fri Aug 13 1993 10:50 | 15 |
| >My out-laws were here last week. They live outside of Haarfa and are disgusted
>with the Whalers and the plans for the new mega-plex. They don't think it will
>ever get off the ground and are predicting the Whalers move in 2-3 years.
>
>Of course they were bitching about the state income tax as much as anything..
As ol' George would say "No' gonna happen"
As to the state income tax, I cain't say as I blame them. 8^)
'Saw
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| 11.449 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Aug 20 1993 13:13 | 4 |
| Ottawa accused of tanking last game against da Broons for first draft
pick - film @ 11.
Mark.
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| 11.450 | Burke leaving Whalers | CAM3::WAY | The Jerky Boys rool! | Wed Sep 01 1993 10:41 | 18 |
| You heard it here first.
Brian Burke, President and GM of the Whalers is leaving to take a job
with the NHL, as VP and head of Hockey Operations or something like that.
Richard Gordon said that it was because under the new agreement with the
State of Connecticut, Burke's duties as President would be impacted and
curtailed.
Someone (Burke perhaps, although I don't think he's commented yet), said
that Burke will stay through the signing of that new defenseman, and then
go....
That's a blow to the Whalers. It definitely is.....
'Saw
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| 11.451 | from the radion..... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Tue Sep 14 1993 11:21 | 14 |
|
Yabbut from me you're hereing THIS foist!
A Brinks truck drove up to the residence of Patrick Roo_Ah (Roy)
yesterday and dropped off $16 million bucks yesterday.
For those who need a clue, this means that he re-signed with the
Montreal Canadiens. The $16 million buckeroos makes Patrick Roo-Ah
the 3rd highest paid player in the National Hokey league.
I remain,
again, yer occasional ::sprots reporter!
Kev
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| 11.452 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | NY YANKEES:A SPORTS DYNASTY | Tue Sep 14 1993 11:46 | 5 |
| $16 million over 4 years. I suspect Ray Borque thoroughly enjoyed
hearing about this and Harry Sinden probably threw a fit.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.453 | At worst a compromise should be made... | RAAJI::MORGAN | | Tue Sep 14 1993 12:57 | 8 |
| I'll be the first to go on record saying that Bourque will not win his
arbitration case if he's asking for $3.25 mil/yr. Sinden does make a
good point in that he should be paid relative to what defensemen are
paid. And the Bruins have offered to make him the highest paid
defenseman. Ray Bourque does not dominate a game at his age. It's not
like we're talking about Bobby Orr here.
Steve
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| 11.454 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | NY YANKEES:A SPORTS DYNASTY | Tue Sep 14 1993 13:10 | 5 |
| in the NHL, unlike baseball, the arbitrator can come up with a figure
that is a compromise.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.455 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Please walk under my tree stand.... | Wed Sep 15 1993 10:51 | 8 |
|
Remember that Patrick Roy's contract is 16 million Canadian money.
If you take in the exchange rate compared to US dollars, plus the higher
taxes in Canada. His contract comes out to about 3 mil a year instead of 4 mil
a year. I'd say Roy is worth more than a Ray Bourque, so Ray should get under
3 mil a year.
Ron
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| 11.456 | he looked losted | 38728::CHILDS | ERS, cause everybody can't play U2 | Thu Sep 16 1993 13:00 | 6 |
|
and of course Harry comes up with "Well that's Montreal and they operate
seperate from the league anyways". Made an excuse about how they signed
the contract to help sell beer etc....
mike
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| 11.457 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | SFGiants'93,NYStockExchange'29 | Thu Sep 16 1993 13:19 | 5 |
| If anybody should appreciate a move that sells more beer it's
Sinden/Jacobs. After all from October until late April (maybe), they
operate Boston's largest bar.
/Don
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| 11.458 | Coffee House roolz | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Thu Sep 16 1993 13:19 | 3 |
| Great p-name, Mike.
Mark.
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| 11.459 | Not too shabby, eh? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Fri Sep 17 1993 15:10 | 18 |
|
Top 5 Coaches and their Salaries
1. Scotty Bowman Red Wings $850,000
2. Mike Keenan NY Rangers $750,000
3. Jacques Demers Canadiens $750,000
4. Al Arbour NY Islanders $700,000
5. Jacques Lemaire NJ Debils $650,000
I remain,
making a little less than those guys :*(
Kev
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| 11.460 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | No, I wanna be Frank this time! | Fri Sep 17 1993 19:24 | 8 |
| Word on the radio tonite is that reports out of California say that the
L.A. owner and Wayne Gretzky are talking new contract that will make
him not only the highest paid player in the NHL(currently Mario at ~$7
mil/yr), but the highest paid player in all of the sports leagues, with
a figure said to be at $30 mil fer 3 years.
JaKe
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| 11.461 | "When will it ever end..." | MKFSA::LONG | All gave some, some gave all | Sat Sep 18 1993 01:36 | 5 |
| All right, everyone together now......
"We're in the wrong business!!!!"
billl
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| 11.462 | somebody tell me I'm dreamin | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Mon Oct 11 1993 14:23 | 13 |
|
Yabbut I thought I heard in the radion yesterday that the (ha) Anaheim
Mighty Ducks played their firsted NHL game Saturday night. Supposedly
the opening ceremony cost > 1/2 million bucks!
That's incredible!
Oh, btw, they lost too.
I remain,
quackin-up everytime I hear their name!
Kev
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| 11.463 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Don't play dat song, dat Achybreaky song | Mon Oct 11 1993 14:40 | 3 |
| Only highlight I saw were a bunch of dancing characters, including the
candle from "Beauty and the Beast".
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| 11.464 | | CAM3::WAY | This chick is toast | Mon Oct 11 1993 14:41 | 8 |
| They're 0-2 on the season.
Randy Ladouceur, former Whaler, is one of their assistant captains.
He's a hard working defenseman, who should help them out.
They took the Islanders to OT last night....
'Saw
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| 11.465 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Ain't no cure for the overseed blues | Mon Oct 11 1993 15:10 | 4 |
| Heard they canned their mascot already. Must be pretty demanding fans
there in Anaheim!
brews
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| 11.466 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Oct 11 1993 16:23 | 5 |
|
Might as well have the ice capades for a team. If I want to see a show
I'll go to the movies. I hope this francise collapses, bring back the
Flyers of 75 and open against them. No that would be a show.
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| 11.467 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | GoPats. GoToStLouis,Baltimore... | Tue Oct 12 1993 13:32 | 6 |
| � Flyers of 75 and open against them. No that would be a show.
That would be good. Could you picture Dave Schultz kicking the
crap out of Roger Rabbit? I would pay to see that.
/Don
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| 11.468 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Wed Oct 13 1993 10:40 | 0 |
| 11.469 | I love me!!! | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't know, he's shooting blanks! | Wed Oct 13 1993 12:37 | 10 |
| Haaaaaaa!
Kings beat the Islanders last night!!!!
Just heard it on the radio, thought I would share that with you all.
Gin
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| 11.470 | | USCTR1::KING | Look, I can hear what you are thinking..... | Wed Oct 13 1993 12:55 | 5 |
| Re:Gin.... Doens't take much to make you days does it... :-}
REK
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| 11.471 | little pleasures go a long way. | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't know, he's shooting blanks! | Wed Oct 13 1993 13:25 | 5 |
| Only when it has to do with beating NY in any sort of sports event.
I like hockey besides.
Gin
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| 11.472 | yabbut don't the Isle's have more of Lord Stanley's hardware? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 13:29 | 10 |
|
You got somethang against noo yawkers?
inquiringly mindless.....
I remain,
a_alleged victim of my birth_site
;^)
Kev
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| 11.473 | 'Saw won't be able to help you with this | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Oct 13 1993 14:18 | 3 |
| yeah watch it Gin.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.474 | 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Oct 13 1993 14:50 | 20 |
| HAHAHA
Gin, I know both those ex-NooYawkas, and you've got nothing to fear.
Mental midgets(note I ain't talking physically now) they is.
They got less in their arsenal than the Polish cavalry did in facing
the German Panzers in WWII.
This here's a mismatch!
1940! 1940! 1940 1940
8^)
MikeL
Hey and I thought you boys done educated us that no real NooYawka could
root for a team from the"island".
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| 11.475 | like shootin fish in a barrell....... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:07 | 20 |
|
Yabbut you 3 piece suit corporate puke ;^p,
If you had any cranial retention, you'da realized Gin was tawkin about
da Islanders, not da rangers so 1940 is totally irrelevant!!!!!!
'sides, I ain't never been a Ranger fan and since I grew up about
8 miles from Nassau Memorial Coliseum, where the Isles play, t'is
only natcheral I root for dem.
So that's strike 2
Care to try again or would you like to step outside?????
;^)
I remain,
having proof that Corporate Pukes have a_IQ less than that of a slug!
Kev
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| 11.476 | gotcha (again)!!!!!!! | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:09 | 13 |
|
Yabbut and one other thing MikeL,
go back and read Gin's title to her note.
Too bad she cain't say the same thing about you!
;^)
I remain,
one of life's little pleasures
Kev
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| 11.477 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:12 | 16 |
|
Yabbut mr hotline 8^)
If'n ya root fer the Islanders ya ain't a true NooYawka right?
After all a true NooYawka roots for the burroughs' teams, n'est-ce-pas?
So you grew up (didya?) 8 miles from the Coliseum.... Where in Queens??
So's are you an Islander or a NooYawka??
If'n ya catch me it won't be two strikes, but a LuckyStrike, ya
Carnesseca-lovin', bball dunkin', ultramarathon crewin' ex-Ranger
feign
Lotsas,
MikeL
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| 11.478 | now we know ya failed geography too! ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:22 | 25 |
|
Yabbut Oh Boy! more on the Farley - Leary wee-wee contest!!!!!
Seems like yer cranial stuff is still doing a malfunction-junction!
Since when, or how could Nassau County be in Queens? Queens is
geographically located on the terra firma called Lawn Guyland.
So is Nassau County (and Suffolk too!) but Queens is a borough
of Noo Yawk City.
Ma home town of Franklin Square is part of the town of Hempstead and
the Town of Hempstead is part of Nassau County so I'm actually a Lawn
Guylander but since Lawn Guyland is also part of the Empire State,
I'm legit in sayin I'm a (ex) Noo Yawker!
as my pal, W.C. Fields would say,
"Goway boy, ya bother me"
;^)
I remain,
saying dis is too easy......
Kev
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| 11.479 | | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't know, he's shooting blanks! | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:31 | 10 |
| I taint afraid of no New Joyoraker. I lived in Long Island for 3
months longer than I wanted to. I have nothing against the state, It
would be loveerly if all the people would just leave.
And Sir Met,
I can take care of myself thank you!
Gin
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| 11.480 | wonder what's next? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:34 | 12 |
|
Yabbut that's neat! Not only am I one of life's little pleasures, but
I also left the state!
I dunno what kinda power she has over me (could it be the .44)
grins
I remain,
having a brother still live on Lawn Guyland who is a_Islander fanatic!
Kev
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| 11.481 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:41 | 12 |
| Kev,
MikeL is right, no tru NooYawka would root for that scum hockey team that
plays in on Long Island; just ain't right.
Gin, folks with your attitude shouldn't even be allowed in New York unless
it is as permanent residents of Rikers Island; we've lots of "guests" who are
housed there.
MikeL - you as a Red Sox fan should know much better than to chant 1940.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.482 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Don't play dat song, dat Achybreaky song | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:41 | 2 |
| I was gonna say she must have meant Lon Gisland...
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| 11.483 | or a_intruder in TcM's account ????? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Carol's wearing maternity clothes | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:51 | 16 |
|
>>>>> MikeL is right, no tru NooYawka
^^^^
Whattzat? True Noo Yawkers pronounce their
"R"'s. Faux Noo Yawkers and Boston-types don't "pahk the cah, pahty,
sistah" etc.
Therefore, Craze, I'm gonna ask Mario to declare you personna
non-gratise in the Empire State!
I remain,
a useR of the R's!
FaRl
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| 11.484 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:55 | 3 |
| buzz off you little dweeb from the Island! :-) or outer boroughs - same thing.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.485 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Oct 13 1993 15:55 | 11 |
| Hey, I've got me credentials there Kev!
I've got a PhT in geography from our ex-Mouske"T"eer.
Nuttin' like a Ranger-Islander feud....
Ya think the Rangers ansd RedSox have it bad? Try the chants in
Chicago, 1917! and 1909!
Ouch,
MikeL
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| 11.486 | | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Wed Oct 13 1993 16:08 | 4 |
|
You know, there is nothing wrong with the city or the island that a
good 40 megaton bomb wouldn't cure.
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| 11.487 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Oct 13 1993 16:46 | 3 |
| MikeL its 1917 and 1908 in Chicago.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.488 | Not to offend anyone. | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't know, he's shooting blanks! | Wed Oct 13 1993 17:22 | 15 |
| Hey!! I lived there, I worked there, I'm not going back so don't
worry.
I was just amazed how people were in this nice little neighborhood I
lived in. I was walking down the street and this poor woman with 2
dobbies in tow, actually braved crossing the street while 2 trucks were
coming just to walk on the other sidej from me. As soon as I passed by
she crossed over again.
Just a bit paranoid if you ask me. Plus you all have that strange
accent.
Gin
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| 11.489 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Oct 13 1993 17:41 | 4 |
| Isn't Connecticut too close?? :-) :-) :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 11.490 | Not here. | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't know, he's shooting blanks! | Wed Oct 13 1993 18:24 | 9 |
| I don't know, Is Conn too close for you?
I like Conn to tell you the truth. I never really went into
any major city while I was there though so I dont' know how
it is. I love the countryside and I bet it is just beautiful
right now. Too bad it's near 80 out here, don't feel like fall
at all.
Gin
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| 11.491 | fyi | 16421::HEISER | parenting: no place for wimps | Fri Nov 05 1993 12:03 | 2 |
| The Oiler's owner has submitted a petition to the league to move the
team to Minneapolis.
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| 11.492 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Fri Nov 05 1993 12:15 | 4 |
| MrT will need a jumbo roll of Bounty when he hears this......
8^)
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| 11.493 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Nov 05 1993 12:33 | 4 |
| Nah, MrT's newest team is the Red Army hockey team :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 11.494 | Annother scumbag pro sports owner | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is one year old!!! | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:14 | 6 |
| The troof on the Edmonton deal appear to be that the owner wants a new
arena to be built in Edmonton, involving some sort of public funding.
The city/province officials are balking, so the guy files the petition
as a threat.
=Bob=
|
| 11.495 | NHL could do worst | MACNAS::PRIDGE | | Sat Nov 06 1993 12:32 | 3 |
| What about Milwaukee ? They are looking for NHL team last time I was in
Chicago.
Pat
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| 11.496 | | MKFSA::LONG | Help! I've lost my OBL and can't get up! | Tue Nov 16 1993 08:50 | 5 |
| I didn't get a chance to grab the paper this morning. Were there
any problems last night with the "non-union" officials?
billl
|
| 11.497 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Nov 17 1993 09:14 | 20 |
| Yesterday, Paul Holmgren was made the GM of the Hartford Whalers, and
Pierre McGuire was made the head coach.
In an interview on the evening news last night Holmgren said that if he
had remained coach he probably would have started strangling the players.
He said something to the effect that "I played 11 years in the NHL, and
maybe I didn't have the talent to play even 1 year, but I always came to
play, I always gave 100% and always wanted to be there".
He went on to say that some of the talented players in Hartford act like
they could care less....
This will be pretty interesting.
btw, the first of the Broons-Whalers games comes on tonight. go BROONS!
'Saw
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| 11.498 | Not like old whalers | AKOCOA::BREEN | Rudy,Rudy,Rudy | Wed Nov 17 1993 09:47 | 3 |
| One thing about the old whalers was that they did give an effort which
seemed to exceed the talent level. They had some great playoff series
with highter ranked clubs and gave good bruins teams fits.
|
| 11.499 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Nov 17 1993 10:07 | 10 |
| Well, it's like Pietrangelo blowing the shot in the Edmonton game the
other night.
He let a 55' wrist shot go by him to tie the game, and his attitude was
"well, I guess I just missed it"....
Some attitude....
'saw
|
| 11.500 | Officials/NHL reach agreement | CAMONE::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 01 1993 09:35 | 44 |
| From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey,clari.sports.top
Subject: NHL officials and league reach agreement
MONTREAL (UPI) -- The National Hockey League Officials and the NHL
have reached an agreement in principle on a new collective bargaining
agreement, ending the first strike by the referees and linesmen in
league history.
The agreement, which was reached after a nine-hour bargaining session
Tuesday, must be approved by both the NHL Board of Governors and the
rank and file of the NHL Officials Association. If it is approved, the
officials are expected to be back to work Thursday night.
Players and coaches expressed relief that the strike would be over
soon.
``The players should be applauded for not pushing things too far,''
New York Rangers center Mark Messier said. ``The players saved the NHL
from embarrassment. This could not have continued until the playoffs.''
``I'm very pleased the strike is over,'' New York Islanders coach Al
Arbour said. ``It was getting to the point where there were problems
every game, most of which the players and the coaches were overlooking.
It was tough on the replacement officials to step in there and expect to
do a job.''
Replacement officials were used by the NHL since the strike was
called. The replacements were hired by the league from among minor-
league referees and linesmen. Some of the replacements have worked
collegiate and international contests.
The NHL officials voted unanimously Nov. 12 to reject the league's
last contract offer. The Association voted 58-0 to reject the latest
offer and offered a counter-proposal to the league. The officials have
been without a contract since Aug. 31.
While players and coaches have been reluctant to criticize the
replacement officials, there have been a number of controversial calls
and non-calls since the strike began. The most recent occurred Sunday in
a game between the New York Rangers and Washington Capitals, when
Rangers right wing Alexei Kovalev tripped Washington's Dale Hunter and
was not whistled for a penalty. Hunter suffered a torn anterior cruciate
ligament in the collision. The league suspended Kovalev on Tuesday,
pending a review of that incident.
``The linesmen had it tougher than the referees, who are simply
judging fouls,'' Rangers president Neil Smith said. ``The linesmen had
to keep the game flowing, calls the offsides and break up the fights.
The NHL has the best players, the best coaches and the best trainers. It
should have the best officials. It's great that it's over.''
|
| 11.501 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Dec 01 1993 11:56 | 6 |
| � While players and coaches have been reluctant to criticize the
�replacement officials, there have been a number of controversial calls
�and non-calls since the strike began.
yeah, right. Like there have never been any controversial
calls/non-calls in the NHL before this.
|
| 11.502 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 01 1993 12:01 | 26 |
| | <<< Note 11.501 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>
|
|� While players and coaches have been reluctant to criticize the
|�replacement officials, there have been a number of controversial calls
|�and non-calls since the strike began.
|
| yeah, right. Like there have never been any controversial
| calls/non-calls in the NHL before this.
There've been lots of controversial calls.
But, if you've tuned in and listened and taken a look at the types of
controversial calls, they're quite a bit different than your normal
controversial calls.
In a lot of instances, the officials in question have been out of position.
Some of the judgement calls have been poor judgement calls, and in
some cases, the refs have been overruled by supervisors in the stands,
which doesn't lend a lot of credibility to the replacement officials.
At least with the REAL officials, I know who I'm yelling at 8^)
'Saw
|
| 11.503 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 02 1993 09:43 | 4 |
|
And the best part is that we don't have to listen to #99 whine anymore.
|
| 11.504 | Stanley Cup Champions | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Thu Dec 02 1993 16:38 | 86 |
| Came across this list of Stanley Cup Champions while I was cleaning up
some directories today. Thought I'd post it here, in case we need
it....
'Saw
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1992-93 -- Montreal Canadiens
1991-92 -- Pittsburgh Penguins
1990-91 -- Pittsburgh Penguins
1989-90 -- Edmonton Oilers
1988-89 -- Calgary Flames
1987-88 -- Edmonton Oilers
1986-87 -- Edmonton Oilers
1985-86 -- Montreal Canadiens
1984-85 -- Edmonton Oilers
1983-84 -- Edmonton Oilers
1982-83 -- New York Islanders
1981-82 -- New York Islanders
1980-81 -- New York Islanders
1979-80 -- New York Islanders
1978-79 -- Montreal Canadiens
1977-78 -- Montreal Canadiens
1976-77 -- Montreal Canadiens
1975-76 -- Montreal Canadiens
1974-75 -- Philadelphia Flyers
1973-74 -- Philadelphia Flyers
1972-73 -- Montreal Canadiens
1971-72 -- Boston Bruins
1970-71 -- Montreal Canadiens
1969-70 -- Boston Bruins
1968-69 -- Montreal Canadiens
1967-68 -- Montreal Canadiens
1966-67 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1965-66 -- Montreal Canadiens
1964-65 -- Montreal Canadiens
1963-64 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1962-63 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1961-62 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1960-61 -- Chicago Blackhawks
1959-60 -- Montreal Canadiens
1958-59 -- Montreal Canadiens
1957-58 -- Montreal Canadiens
1956-57 -- Montreal Canadiens
1955-56 -- Montreal Canadiens
1954-55 -- Detroit Red Wings
1953-54 -- Detroit Red Wings
1952-53 -- Montreal Canadiens
1951-52 -- Detroit Red Wings
1950-51 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1949-50 -- Detroit Red Wings
1948-49 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1947-48 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1946-47 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1945-46 -- Montreal Canadiens
1944-45 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1943-44 -- Montreal Canadiens
1942-43 -- Detroit Red Wings
1941-42 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1940-41 -- Boston Bruins
1939-40 -- New York Rangers
1938-39 -- Boston Bruins
1937-38 -- Chicago Blackhawks
1936-37 -- Detroit Red Wings
1935-36 -- Detroit Red Wings
1934-35 -- Montreal Maroons
1933-34 -- Chicago Blackhawks
1932-33 -- New York Rangers
1931-32 -- Toronto Maple Leafs
1930-31 -- Montreal Canadiens
1929-30 -- Montreal Canadiens
1928-29 -- Boston Bruins
1927-28 -- New York Rangers
1926-27 -- Ottawa Senators
1925-26 -- Montreal Maroons
1924-25 -- Victoria Cougars
1923-24 -- Montreal Canadiens
1922-23 -- Ottawa Senators
1921-22 -- Toronto St. Pats
1920-21 -- Ottawa Senators
1919-20 -- Ottawa Senators
1918-19 -- No champion
1917-18 -- Toronto Arenas
|
| 11.505 | YEEEESSSS BABY! | MKFSA::LONG | T- 7 days and counting... | Thu Dec 02 1993 16:57 | 8 |
| >> 1991-92 -- Pittsburgh Penguins
>> 1990-91 -- Pittsburgh Penguins
Who'd a thunk it? Growing up watching this team constantly have to
battle just to stay out of LAST place, I know I was impressed.
billl
|
| 11.506 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Backsketbrawl Sucks Big Ones | Thu Dec 02 1993 16:58 | 5 |
| And in another 6 mos, you'll be able to add a 1993-94 fer the Pens,
too.
JaKe
|
| 11.507 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Dec 02 1993 17:14 | 5 |
| OK, since hockey was meant to be played outdoors on a Canadian pond, I
say we stop wasting money on this new Boston Garden and tell the Bruins
to go play on the swan pond on Boston Common. Just throw up some
stands around the ponds, use the turnstiles they use for the paddleboat
rentals, and slap a plow on the old Zamboni.
|
| 11.508 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Wanna see the North Pole, kid? | Thu Dec 02 1993 17:22 | 4 |
| Ya know MtfM, yer one fecetious kinda guy.
JaKe
|
| 11.509 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Thu Dec 02 1993 17:27 | 29 |
| Day before yesterday I took a look at the standings and decided to see
who the playoff pairings would be at that moment.
It went like this: (If I remember correctly, it's the top 8 teams in
each conference, regardless of division, then a 1-8, 2-7 etc scenario)
1. New York Rangers
2. Philadelphia
3. New Jersey
4. Pittsburgh
5. Boston
6. Montreal
7. Washington
8. Buffalo
Pairings:
NYR - Buffalo
Phil - Washington
NJ - Montreal
Pitt - Boston
Should make for some interesting combinations when playoff time really
comes.....
'sAw
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| 11.510 | Facetious maybe, but fecetious?? Rollward | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Dec 03 1993 09:54 | 18 |
| <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
-< SPORTS >-
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PTOVAX::JACOB "Wanna see the North Pole, kid?" 4 lines 2-DEC-1993 17:22
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>>>> Ya know MtfM, yer one fecetious kinda guy.
^^^^^^^^^
>>>> JaKe
JaKey, I gots to tell ya I'm rollin' over here. HAHAHAHAHA.
Don't know if Mac will appreciate the connotation here.
TM it.
MikeL
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| 11.511 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Fri Dec 03 1993 10:15 | 6 |
| Broons put some hurtin' on the Eye-landers lasted night.
Oates continues to score at will.
'Saw
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| 11.512 | and you'ze guys said they sucked | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Dec 03 1993 10:40 | 5 |
| 'Saw, how'd you like that snowmobile helmet Juneau is sporting these
days. Nice to see him back so soon.
B's score 7 goals despite one being disallowed due to the ref losing
sight of the puck.
|
| 11.513 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Fri Dec 03 1993 11:27 | 20 |
| > 'Saw, how'd you like that snowmobile helmet Juneau is sporting these
> days. Nice to see him back so soon.
I liked the "compare and contrast" discussion that Fred and Derek had
in relation to the jaw protector the guy from NYI was wearing.
Joe looks mean in that thang....
> B's score 7 goals despite one being disallowed due to the ref losing
> sight of the puck.
Yeah, lots of defensive lapses on NYI...
Big game coming up Saturday night against the Habs.
'Saw
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| 11.514 | :^) | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | Nature bats last | Fri Dec 03 1993 11:59 | 12 |
| <<< Note 11.507 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>
> OK, since hockey was meant to be played outdoors on a Canadian pond, I
> say we stop wasting money on this new Boston Garden and tell the Bruins
> to go play on the swan pond on Boston Common. Just throw up some
> stands around the ponds, use the turnstiles they use for the paddleboat
> rentals, and slap a plow on the old Zamboni.
pssstt! Mac! Ever been to Boston? Everyone knows the pond is at
Boston Public Gardens.
Mark.
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| 11.515 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Dec 03 1993 12:59 | 7 |
| True, Mark, true.
Maybe Mac got confused cuz there is a skating rink, sorta, on the
Common (er, when filled with H20 or other liquids !)
MikeL
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| 11.516 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | Nature bats last | Fri Dec 03 1993 13:29 | 4 |
| No, Mac wadn't (for Clay) confused...ever see swan boats on the skating
rink at the Common?
Mark.
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| 11.517 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Fri Dec 03 1993 13:34 | 5 |
| Geez, I wouldn't mind if they played Hokey outdoors. It would get
rid of the CelticsLeftover Yuppie types who've started to infiltrate
the Garden. Speakin' of that, hey Mark Lufay, when's your next game?
/Don
|
| 11.518 | Hic! | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Dec 03 1993 13:58 | 14 |
| <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
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>> No, Mac wadn't (for Clay) confused...ever see swan boats on the skating
>> rink at the Common?
Only after a long night at the Bulfinch....
MikeL
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| 11.519 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Dec 03 1993 14:01 | 1 |
| You've seen one patch of lawn in Boston, you've seen them all.
|
| 11.520 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Tongue=10 in, can breath thru ears | Fri Dec 03 1993 15:53 | 8 |
|
>> <<< Note 11.510 by CTHQ::LEARY "Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions" >>>
>> -< Facetious maybe, but fecetious?? Rollward >-
It was MEANT the way it were entered.
JaKe
|
| 11.521 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Dec 03 1993 15:57 | 4 |
| Then maybe JaKe has a little more grey matter than we give him credit
for
NNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
|
| 11.522 | | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Fri Dec 03 1993 16:09 | 4 |
|
What's for me Mahk? Confoozed.......
Claybone (oops! it's hawkey season! ClayBROON!)
|
| 11.523 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:00 | 9 |
|
A few friends of mine are NCAA refs and one got called up to the bigs
last week to ref Hartford. 800 bucks a game for the scabs, not bad. Pay
your expenses, and off you go. The strike ended, and he missed his big
day in the NHL, but was glad he was selected. It would be funny seeing
him on T.V. trying to contain, say Pat Verbeek then next week have me
tripping him in some bush league.
|
| 11.524 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:12 | 6 |
| Verbeek picked up a 10 minute misconduct at the end of one of the games
with the replacement ref. The Whalers had won (surprise, surprise, surprise)
and as Verbeek skated past the ref he said "We beat them, and we had to
beat you guys too".
'Saw
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| 11.525 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:25 | 3 |
|
What a mouth on him, reminds me of one of my all time fav's, Ken 'The
Rat' Linseman.
|
| 11.526 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:35 | 8 |
| Yeah, he's a feisty one.
But, some folks I know say he's a real gentleman off the ice. I've never
bumped into him out anywhere though. (The other Whalers I've run into
have been pretty cool)
'Saw
|
| 11.527 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:53 | 4 |
| Apparently the NHL is trying to get tough on goonism. The Ranger who
knocked Hunter out for a few weeks with a knee injury was given a 5
game suspension. His part in previous altercations led to the stiff
sentence.
|
| 11.528 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 10:19 | 12 |
|
Geeks like Bettman and co, will have the players wearing tu-tu's before
long. As it is nobody hits anymore, and with players being suspended
after the NHL police review films and the like, forget about a good old
fashioned bench clearing brawl. My ref friends say it won't be long
before all fighting is taboo.
I hear Slapshot II is in the making, with Paul Newman returning as Reg
Dunlop, the coach. Forget about the Hansons, the 90's version will be
a bunch of politically correct figure skaters, Dick Buttons style
|
| 11.529 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:16 | 4 |
| �My ref friends say it won't be long
� before all fighting is taboo.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
|
| 11.531 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:35 | 17 |
|
I don't mean it as a bad thing. I enjoy a good hitting, solid contact
type of game. In today's NHL, that type of game is few and far between.
Most so called hockey 'fighters' would be seriously dented by a trained
fighter anyway. With the influx of the Russians, Swedes, Czhecs, the
league has changed. Gone are the days of wearing down your opponent by
physically banging him into the boards everytime he got near the puck,
making him think twice. Once, just once, I would like to see #99 get
tagged with a clean hit. Never happen, he would either cry, whine or
break in two. I like 99 and his high flying style, but also like the
guys like a stay at home defenseman ala Larry Murphy (Pens) or a Gary
Galley (Flyers). These guys can hit and do. (Neither could catch 99)
re: Tommy B. There is no where near the amount of fighting in the NHL
compared to 10-15 years ago. And as far as an answer to your question,
there is no satisfactory explanation. How's that ?
|
| 11.532 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:36 | 10 |
| Simple Tommy, hokey players settle their differences like men.
Instead of throwing a temper tantrum and whining to the referee like a
petulant child, hokey players face a problem and deal with it mano � mano.
Now I realize that as the game is currently structured Janet Reno would
probably only allow games to be televised between midnight and six in the
morning, but quite honestly I will miss the non-soccer like way hokey deals
with issues once Bettman brings the sport in to the politically correct
90s. 8^(
/Don
|
| 11.533 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:39 | 6 |
|
Re.-1
Good, real good!
|
| 11.534 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:43 | 7 |
| re: .530
ha ha. The guy who has a p_name "I need somebody to
shove" asks about fighting in hockey.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.536 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:52 | 7 |
| � Simple Tommy, hokey players settle their differences like men.
Settling differences like a man means to drop the gloves and start
throwing punches just because your opponent looked at you funny? Not
in my book. I'd much rather deliver a bone crunching, clean check into
the boards, gain posession of the puck, and shoot it between the
goalies pads.
|
| 11.538 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:57 | 6 |
| re: .535
ha! that from a guy who still believes the Red Sox
will win a World Series in his lifetime.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.539 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | Nature bats last | Mon Dec 06 1993 11:57 | 5 |
| <<< Note 11.517 by VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD "Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves" >>>
> the Garden. Speakin' of that, hey Mark Lufay, when's your next game?
Saturday, 12/4 against the Habs :^(
|
| 11.540 | You said it: you can't hit what you can't catch... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 06 1993 12:01 | 19 |
|
> I don't mean it as a bad thing. I enjoy a good hitting, solid contact
> type of game. In today's NHL, that type of game is few and far between.
As in any kind of athletic competition, doesn't the style of game
that's played (at least that's played within the rules) move in the
direction of what's successful? If the good clean hitting game is
the superior game strategy and is totally permissible within the
rules, why aren't teams like that put together to combat the inferior
influences of Don Cherry's dreaded evil Europeans? Oh yeah, I forgot,
they already have been; Harry Sinden's Boston Broons, 1973-93...
If the game that evolves from the natural selection of the best players
is considered to be an inferior one, then I guess you have to go back
to the drawing board with rule changes to legalize the illegal stuff
that wasn't previously enforced...
glenn
|
| 11.541 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 06 1993 12:51 | 24 |
|
Re.-1
My fear is what has happened to the NBA will happen to the NHL.
Preferential treatment, and non calls on obvious infractions of the
rules. I.E. two line offsides not being called because he's a star and
will slow the game.
Forget about neandrathal boneheads like Cherry and Sinden. I like to
listen to Cherry because he makes me laugh, and his show is funny
because he's an entertainer not hockey's premier spokesperson.
Your game evolution brings up some good points, but you can't win the
coveted LSC with a team of Mario's. Somebody has to do the dirtywork,
and those guys sure won't. High flying Russian's and European's lack
the gritty toughness of the North American/Canadian counterparts, with
exceptions. (Kaperitis,NYI, Bure, Win, Zhitnik L.A.) They are learning
the game (NHL style) and that takes time. I think the next wave of
personell to come from across the pond with have this ingredient, due
to their predecessors. The high flying style is the one that will be
the to sell to the masses. (enter, Bettman) I like that style but
like the hard hitting fast paced game even better.
|
| 11.542 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Dec 06 1993 12:57 | 27 |
| >
> Your game evolution brings up some good points, but you can't win the
> coveted LSC with a team of Mario's. Somebody has to do the dirtywork,
> and those guys sure won't. High flying Russian's and European's lack
> the gritty toughness of the North American/Canadian counterparts, with
> exceptions. (Kaperitis,NYI, Bure, Win, Zhitnik L.A.) They are learning
> the game (NHL style) and that takes time. I think the next wave of
> personell to come from across the pond with have this ingredient, due
> to their predecessors. The high flying style is the one that will be
> the to sell to the masses. (enter, Bettman) I like that style but
> like the hard hitting fast paced game even better.
Since the influx of Europeans, and the requirement for college players
to wear a full face shied, the "stickwork" has increased in the NHL,
while fighting has declined.
There's always going to be retaliation (and not of the clean check variety),
but I'd rather see two guys drop the gloves and attempt to duke it out
than to see some guy get his stick up and cut 'em.
Nothing wrong with fighting in hockey....
'Saw
|
| 11.543 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Dec 06 1993 13:31 | 8 |
| �I.E. two line offsides not being called because he's a star and
� will slow the game.
I think they're talking about removing this rule. A fledling pro
hockey league that was supposed to start up was definately going to
forgo this rule.
There's also some rumblings about enlarging the ice.
|
| 11.544 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 08 1993 09:21 | 19 |
| Wow, did the Whalers play a helluva game last night.
I was flipping around the dial, trying to find something that wouldn't
distract me too much while I was doing some work (and before NYPD Blue)
and I turned on the Whalers.
Damn, were they good last night. Verbeek got a hat trick, Kron scored
a goal that looked like the puck had one of those laser sights aimed at
the back of the net and they beat up on Washington 6-1.
I haven't seen the Whalers play like that in YEARS. Maybe because
Hartford finally booted out that hat-wearing bitch mayor Carrie Moron
Perry, and put some real in there, the Whalers have started playing
hockey.
Why can't the Bruins play like that? (many 8^))
'SAw
|
| 11.545 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Wed Dec 08 1993 09:58 | 7 |
|
I watched them play Pitts the other night with a never say die
attitude, and was impressed with the Whale. Came back and sent it into
O.T. Only to loose with Jagr busting up the middle and splitting the 'D'
and roofing the biscuit. I was pissed, I wanted the whale to beat the Pens.
Was the Blues vs. Hawks game on ESPN 2 last night ?
|
| 11.546 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 08 1993 10:01 | 15 |
| > I watched them play Pitts the other night with a never say die
> attitude, and was impressed with the Whale. Came back and sent it into
> O.T. Only to loose with Jagr busting up the middle and splitting the 'D'
> and roofing the biscuit. I was pissed, I wanted the whale to beat the Pens.
That was an interesting game too. They got a little overzealous on the
power play and Jar-haid Jagr beat them...
> Was the Blues vs. Hawks game on ESPN 2 last night ?
Don't know, I don't get that one....
'Saw
|
| 11.547 | | 7806::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Wed Dec 08 1993 15:21 | 2 |
| Nope... I got ski jumping and slalom racing...
|
| 11.548 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 09 1993 09:32 | 10 |
| Where are the games that ESPN signed to carry with the NHL ? All I ever
see is college hoop, and my local cable affliate canned MSG in favor of
some real crappy New Hampshire station. Just what I needed. Also no ESPN2
because of lack of channels. WTF ? They were show casing
Lindros/Greatski/Lemuiex but they were all hurt for those games.
Instead of the marquee guys I think they would be better off showing
Blus/Hawks or Toronto/Detriot. Those rivalries equal a Habs B's
matchup and then some. Instead I get to listen to Fred drool and
watch Johnny's eyebrows grow.
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| 11.549 | | MKFSA::LONG | The day of reckoning has arrived... | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:06 | 7 |
| Mike, I was wondering the same thing last night. It seems as
though ESPN has given up on the NHL.
Does anyone know if the contract expired and wasn't renewed?
billl
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| 11.550 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:12 | 8 |
|
I'm hoping that they come through in the playoffs ! I get very few nights
free, and to sit down and enjoy a good NHL game is a treat. So far it's
happened about twice this year. Can't really say watching the Bruins is
entertaining (See Red Sox).
Mike
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| 11.551 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:54 | 2 |
| They're on ESPN2 during college hoop season...
|
| 11.552 | | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Thu Dec 09 1993 11:29 | 5 |
| Walt's right. The bulk of the games are on ESPN2 - I think
at least 3 a week. They'll probably be on the original once
a week or so until the playoffs kick in.
Mike - who doesn't get ESPN2 yet.
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| 11.553 | | MKFSA::LONG | The day of reckoning has arrived... | Thu Dec 09 1993 11:33 | 9 |
| Well that doesn't make any sense. I perceived ESPN2 to be catering
to the new Rolling Rock/Perrier crowd. I would expect them to carry
college hoops and give the "lunch pail/shot-and-a-beer" crowd the
NHL on ESPN.
Go figure.
billl
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| 11.554 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Dec 09 1993 11:58 | 4 |
| Maybe ESPN and NHL are looking to the future, billllll. Unlike MLB
with their insistence on "Prime Time" starts, the NHL is at least
putting games on a network that is catering to the younger crowd.
Capture the young-uns and you've got a fan for life.
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| 11.555 | just can DickyV though... | CNTROL::CHILDS | J. Elders, you got it RIGHT Babeee!! | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:02 | 6 |
|
The parent company ESPN reaches more homes that 2. College BBall is/has
and hopefully always will be a staple at ESPN. Collge BBall is still more
popular that hockey so..........
mike
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| 11.556 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:05 | 5 |
| BigMac's right. Once Bettman remakes the NHL into a quasi-soccer
sissy sport the ToeJam generation will be filling the stadiums to
capacity and espn2 will rival eMpTyV for ratings.
/Don
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| 11.557 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:14 | 15 |
|
Re.555
Unfortunatly for me the that last statement is true. I only watch college
hoops when the NCAA's kick in, and only because I have to. (Tending to
the sports crowd) Christ it bores me to no end, but a good matchup I
would think would supercede a lowly college hoop game. Just a thought.
This is for all you holiday drinkers, the drink for december is a
real doozie.
1.5 oz of Rumplemintz, 1.5 oz of Jagermiester, chilled, straight up and
then straight down. What do you call it ? 'Screaming Nazi'
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| 11.558 | Jager-free for 2 years | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:25 | 8 |
| > 1.5 oz of Rumplemintz, 1.5 oz of Jagermiester, chilled, straight up and
> then straight down. What do you call it ? 'Screaming Nazi'
Sounds ugly. Anything with Jagermiester in it can't be good for
you.
Battling Jager flashbacks,
Mike
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| 11.559 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:29 | 7 |
| Why, do floors spin when you drink it?
Guess who was the play-by-play guy on "the deuce" game lasted night
(Dallas-Pittsburgh).
Bob Neumeier. Only called the Stars "Minnesota" about 3 or 4 times.
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| 11.560 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:39 | 16 |
|
Re: Bob Neumeier, he was at my bar two weeks ago, cocky and arrogent
for and ugly balding throwback to the 70's. There were some ladies he
was a hittin on and he thought he was a real smoothy. I couldn't
contain myself when the gals didn't know who he was, because he was
acting all Bob Lobelish.
Funny thing was Larry Bird called right after he left and I chatted
briefly with him. He was looking for Bob and sounded like he had a few
Nazi's himself. Overall he was very pleasant to speak with, figuring he
was talking to a serf.
Keeping it NHL realated Bob asked for an NBA score and I told him it
was an NHL kind of place. 8*)
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| 11.561 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Thu Dec 09 1993 13:41 | 4 |
| What's with him and Kasey... she's drools all over him on the weekends.
He was ok, but I just couldn't take him seriously last night.
|
| 11.562 | A puck request. | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | You do it once, do it all day. | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:11 | 29 |
| I attened my first ever NHL game last night at the Pond in Anaheim
California. The Ducks won in OT. It was a great game and we had seats
right behind the Duck's bench, on the glass!!! I love it.
Now, I do have favor to ask my fellow noters out there. Let me tell
the short story behind all this first.
I have a friend that plays hockey in a local league. He has been
trying to get tickets to local games and can never get em. He asked me
to get him a puck from last night's game. I wasen't able to and now
feel terrible. After all, he did watch my son for me free of charge so
that I could go.
What I would like to ask is if anyone is going to attened a NHL game
ANYWHERE, could you pick up an official puck for the teams playing? I
was going to go to the team store and buy one for him but I think if I
could get a bunch of them from the different teams it would be a great
Christmas present.
Please contact me and we can work out the money issue. I know the
Duck's pucks were about $8.00.
Thanks so much!!!
Gin
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| 11.563 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Dec 13 1993 13:03 | 8 |
| I don't know about the Disney Hockey Store but most of the ones out
here have the pucks from all the teams.
I've still got to do some Christmas shopping so if you like I can pick
you up a Harfaa one......
'Saw
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| 11.564 | " a Harfaa one......= $4.00 right?" | AKOCOA::BREEN | DJ, Harmon Wages | Mon Dec 13 1993 13:41 | 1 |
|
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| 11.565 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Mon Dec 13 1993 13:46 | 2 |
| No longer a hockey virgin, huh?
|
| 11.566 | Any more? | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | You do it once, do it all day. | Mon Dec 13 1993 13:59 | 17 |
| 'Saw
Thanks!! That would be great. I need the offical ones, with the NHL
seal on one side I think. They had the ones with just the logo but not
the seal.
Walt
I never was a hockey virgin. I lost that cherry a while ago when a
puck narrowly missed my face at a practice. Now if you had said "No
longer a NHL virgin" You would have been correct.
So, now I have a Hartford puck'a'comin.........
Gin
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| 11.567 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | HowdyDoody,ZippyThePinhead,JoJ | Mon Dec 13 1993 14:02 | 5 |
| Well Gin, you could call Harry Sinden and ask for a Broons� puck.
Since they can't put one in the net worth a damn, they should have
plenty to spare.
/Don
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| 11.568 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Dec 13 1993 15:21 | 4 |
| 8.00 for a puck ?
I thought 30 bucks for my sticks was crazy. Yikes!
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| 11.569 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Dec 13 1993 15:38 | 9 |
| If they don't have the seal I won't buy it.
The ones they used to sell had the seal, but I'll check carefully....
I don't know what they charge for them. At any rate, that fat pantload
Lowell Weicker will get his 6% cut.....
'Saw
|
| 11.570 | | USCTR1::KING | | Mon Dec 13 1993 16:04 | 5 |
| Ginny's face stops hockey puck, film at 11:00....
a very big :-}
REK
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| 11.571 | Pucky Duck? | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | You do it once, do it all day. | Mon Dec 13 1993 17:09 | 22 |
| /Don,
And I thought Boston was doing okay this season. At the game last
night they were showing `Hit Slams'. Boston seemed to be doing most of
the heavy checking.
REK,
Yeah! There was one puck that flew over the Ducks box and about 3'
above my head. Some guy a few rows back caught it and then had to
fight for his life not to have it stripped from his hands.
I just remembered something signifigant. The person that I am
collecting the pucks for plays on a local team. Thier jerseys are the
same as the Bruins.
Thanks everyone.
Gin
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| 11.572 | Okay, Freud or Jung...you make the call.... | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Dec 14 1993 09:27 | 9 |
| >
> I just remembered something signifigant.
>
Ah, ve finally haf here a brrrreakthrough.... Zis ist zo good....
Tell me, how long haf you had zees memories?
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| 11.573 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Tue Dec 14 1993 12:16 | 11 |
|
Beee Kind to your
web footed friends
for a duck may beeee
somebody's motherrrrr
:^)
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| 11.574 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | The Few, The Proud, The 1% | Tue Dec 14 1993 12:59 | 13 |
| � /Don,
�
� And I thought Boston was doing okay this season. At the game last
� night they were showing `Hit Slams'. Boston seemed to be doing most of
� the heavy checking.
Must've been highlights from previous seasons because this year the
only `Hit Slams' you'll see in Boston are on the Expressway after the game.
Course Bettman is probably proud of the no-hitters the Broons� have been
pitching on the ice. Rumors are that Dick Button will be replacing Derek
Sanderson behind the microphone.
/Don
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| 11.575 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Tue Dec 14 1993 13:09 | 8 |
| Gin,
Glad to see you went to a game and enjoyed it. Now go check out an IHL
game or and AHL game and watch these guys really hit. Like /er says
ienjoy it now because there won't be any in the future.
When you can explain icing you will have become a knowledgable fan.
|
| 11.576 | Bruins always were a hitting team | AKOCOA::BREEN | Oh come Ed Marinaro | Tue Dec 14 1993 13:36 | 4 |
| Or go to NE Sports Museum and catch a few tapes of Old 50s bruins with
none other than Leo Boivin and a few others
When did Broons change their ways? With retirement of O'Reilly?
|
| 11.577 | .close? | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | You do it once, do it all day. | Tue Dec 14 1993 16:43 | 5 |
| From what I can tell..........icing is when the puck is sent down the
ice and over the lines without being in posession. Sort of like
intentional clock stopping.
Gin
|
| 11.578 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Tue Dec 14 1993 17:18 | 2 |
| I think that's close enough for rock n roll...
|
| 11.579 | tah | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | You do it once, do it all day. | Tue Dec 14 1993 18:08 | 7 |
| Hi Walt!!!
Thanks for the card dear. You're the best.
Gin
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| 11.580 | Not like it used to be... | KALVIN::MORGAN | | Wed Dec 15 1993 08:18 | 6 |
| It's ironic that Boston's two best checkers are also their two best
players, Neely and Bourque. These guys can throw their weight around
with the best of 'em. It's the rest of the team that is non-existent
in this area.
Steve
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| 11.581 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 15 1993 08:59 | 35 |
| >
> It's ironic that Boston's two best checkers are also their two best
> players, Neely and Bourque. These guys can throw their weight around
> with the best of 'em. It's the rest of the team that is non-existent
> in this area.
>
I think it was Carol Vadnais who used throw killer hip checks. I'd get off
on watching that. And Orr was no slouch either.
Funny how the scoring leaders of today are the non-contact players. In the
old days, a player like that would get hammered and it would get them off
their game, (sorta like Mario in the playoffs last year against Jersey)...
Gordie Howe -- now there was a hokey player....
Icing:
When the puck is passed from a teams own half of the ice, and
crosses the goal line, and is then touched by an opposing player
(except for the goalie). If the puck goes though the goal crease
it is not icing.
Icing can be waved off if an opposing player is close enough to
the puck to get it before it crosses the line,
It is also not icing if the team that did the passing can touch
it first.
That's sorta all I can remember....
'Saw
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| 11.582 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Wed Dec 15 1993 09:24 | 2 |
| No problem sweetie...
|
| 11.583 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | I still hate Barbie dolls!!!! | Wed Dec 15 1993 09:41 | 9 |
| Gordie Howe was one tough hombre.
A few years ago I saw him in a hotel in Montreal. I
went over to shake his hand, and it all gnarled and
knotted up. I asked him about it, and he said it was
from all his fights over the years...
Johnny Bucyk laid out some mean hip-checks in his day
too.
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| 11.584 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Dec 15 1993 10:02 | 4 |
| � It is also not icing if the team that did the passing can touch
� it first.
Or if that team is shorthanded.
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| 11.585 | | CAMONE::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Wed Dec 15 1993 10:25 | 23 |
| >Gordie Howe was one tough hombre.
>
>A few years ago I saw him in a hotel in Montreal. I
>went over to shake his hand, and it all gnarled and
>knotted up. I asked him about it, and he said it was
>from all his fights over the years...
When Gordie was living in Glastonbury (still may be I don't know) I used
to bump into him from time to time. He ALWAYS took time to stop and
chat, or to return a hello with a smile and a few words.
Knew a guy who played for the Whalers in the WHA days when Gordie played
for the Aeros, and Tommy (the guy I knew) said that Howe had the fastest
(and sneakiest) elbows of any player in either league.
>Johnny Bucyk laid out some mean hip-checks in his day
>too.
Yep.
And hey, remember Ted Lindsey?
|
| 11.586 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | Nature bats last | Wed Dec 15 1993 12:24 | 3 |
| Steve, Stevie Leach ain't afraid to bang 'em in the corners either.
Mark.
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| 11.587 | | KALI::MORGAN | | Wed Dec 15 1993 13:05 | 4 |
| Ya Mark, I forgot about Leach. He doesn't pick his spots like some of
the tap dancers they have now.
Steve
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| 11.588 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Wed Dec 15 1993 13:41 | 26 |
|
I Remember when Bobby Carpenter was playing with the caps and he was
just selected as the highest American kid out of high school to play
in the pro's. Being from the same hometown and playing with/against him
in my pee-wee days it was an event that nobody wanted to miss when the
Caps played the B's. Well, wouldn't you know it old #12 Wayne Casheman
skates over to him and just pasted him. Really let him have it, Said
welcome to the NHL, kid, smiled and skated away. Cashmnan was a boyhood
Idol of every kid playing hockey in the Boston area so Carpenter must
have had his head spinning.
Alot of my friends played junior and semipro along with Division 1,2
you name it. When the pretty college boys come up and start the
showboating they usually get a good beating from a few of the 'boys'.
Just to let them know that they have to earn it...
Another good friend of mine was playing in the Detriot farm system and
an opposing player cross checked him in the neck, breaking his stick
with the shaft of it splintering and going through the corner of his
neck. He skated over to the bench and said (with the stick piercing
through his neck) "coach, I think I have a problem Here!" He's not
little, 6'1" 220. Thats good sized for a hockey player.
I think the minors on a whole is alot dirtier and rougher than the NHL
. Especially todays NHL.
|
| 11.589 | | FRETZ::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 15 1993 14:31 | 7 |
| > I Remember when Bobby Carpenter was playing with the caps and he was
> just selected as the highest American kid out of high school to play
I saw him play in H.S. a few times. He was pretty good for a guy from
the faux pas St. Johns.
|
| 11.590 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Thu Dec 16 1993 09:12 | 4 |
|
Back then he wa unstopable in H.S.
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| 11.591 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | The Few, The Proud, The 1% | Thu Dec 16 1993 09:15 | 5 |
| The games I've been to this year Leach has been pretty passive.
Last Saturday's game against the Blackhawks in the third period was
the best I've seen him look so far.
/Don
|
| 11.592 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Dec 16 1993 09:22 | 4 |
| Bs stopped a 5 game skid lasted night with a 5-4 win over the Debils.
Wesley gets the hat trick. Neely had a 3 point night with a goal and 2
assists. From what little I saw of the game it looked like it was
going to be a blowout by the Bs.
|
| 11.593 | | GWEN::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Thu Dec 16 1993 09:41 | 2 |
| Ex Albany River Rat Dave Emma had a goal...
|
| 11.594 | Speaking of Great High School Hockey Talents | AKOCOA::BREEN | Sal Conigliaro-oh | Thu Dec 16 1993 11:55 | 9 |
| two great high school hockey players were former redsox coaches?
Richie Hebner and Walter Butch Hriniak; the former probably more of a
nationally recognized talent and drafter by nhl as well as pittsburgh
but from personnally seeing him play a lot, Hriniak was tremendous in
high school at Natick.
|
| 11.595 | and a manager too | AD::HEATH | Have pitchers and catchers reported yet? | Thu Dec 16 1993 15:22 | 6 |
|
Yea and ole Walpole Joe played on the frozen pond at BC.
Jerry
|
| 11.596 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Tue Jan 04 1994 09:06 | 7 |
|
Anyone catch Troy Mallett (sp) nail Jagr last night ? Almost took his
head off, and Jagr took a Mario pill. Caught him moving up ice with his
head (gulp) down and Boom ! Made the highlight reels.
<
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| 11.597 | 'bout time he got nailed | AKOCOA::PETERSON | Functionally illiterate | Tue Jan 04 1994 11:09 | 1 |
|
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| 11.598 | | MKFSA::LONG | I know a survivor! | Tue Jan 04 1994 11:12 | 7 |
| >> 'bout time he got nailed
Now why in hell would a sane person make a statement like that???
(Or is the answer in the question?)
billl
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| 11.599 | | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | Pookie says no to greasers | Fri Jan 07 1994 12:35 | 10 |
| One little note that I would like to add since this is about hockey.
A friend of mine has been trying to get Ducks tickets. We went to one
of the music stores where they are sold and started asking about dates.
The guy went through all the way to the end of the season. They are
sold out!!! Not bad for thier first year!..
Gin
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| 11.600 | | CAMONE::WAY | Mississippi Queen, u know what I mean | Fri Jan 07 1994 12:50 | 4 |
| More nouveau hokey faux fans in California. ...MrT would love it.....
It's not surprising. Guess you gotta be talkin' to the scalpers now.....
|
| 11.601 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | NoTeam-NoBud | Fri Jan 07 1994 13:08 | 4 |
| I dunno Gin. Any game where Tinkerbelle comes flutterin' down from
the rafters ain't really a hokey game!
/Don
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| 11.601 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Jan 07 1994 19:17 | 7 |
| 11.602 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Jan 10 1994 09:41 | 12 |
|
I spoke with a friend of mine on Friday who lives in the San Jose area.
(Ex-Deccie) He said that there are 5 rinks within ten miles and the
biggest problem that they have is not young players but adequate
coaching. I was impressed and glad to see it. Maybe in 15-20 years we
will see a Californian of an Asian backround going off in the top three
in the NHL draft. Unthinkable 10 years ago maybe a reality in two
decades.
I'll be bringing my equipment to play a few games when I go out for my
fall USGP trip at Laguna Seca. If he is the go to guy on his team I'll
look like Orr. 8*)
|
| 11.603 | tinker that one | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | BillyBob loves Charlene. | Mon Jan 10 1994 14:51 | 4 |
| Hey, I can put up with a little tinker as long as they are winning.
Gin
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| 11.604 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Mon Jan 10 1994 14:54 | 10 |
| Hey, when you come right down to it, all of the sports we know and love
are going right down the shitter.
I mean, Tinkerbelle at hockey games, FOX getting the NFC.....
Do you hear the footsteps? I hear the footsteps.....
'Saw
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| 11.605 | | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | BillyBob loves Charlene. | Mon Jan 10 1994 14:56 | 6 |
| Yeah, but I have never seen a whale skate real well.
At least Ducks are at home on the ice.
|
| 11.606 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Jan 10 1994 15:01 | 9 |
|
Cup holders and padded seats at the pond. I was at the Boston Garden on
Saturday and what a rattrap that place is. At least the folks next to
me we cool, not the usual B's slob from suburban hell. I HATE the
Boston Garden, when it's gone, good. Can't wait for a 21st century
facility, but keep the organ.
Couldn't figure out that tinker bell thingie. Tis sad.
|
| 11.607 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Mon Jan 10 1994 16:04 | 4 |
| Hartford Civic Center is a good place to see a game. Good seats, no cup
holders though....
'Saw
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| 11.608 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Mon Jan 10 1994 16:29 | 25 |
|
Ditto on the HCC. I liked it when I was there last year and it had been
a few years since I was down to see a whalers game. I drove down last
year when the whale still had that irrittating theme song and they were
getting beat up by the Habs. Great place to see a game.
I had a trip planned to the Forum on St. Catherine street in Dec/92 but
was snowed in. Was I pissed. B's vs. Habs and it was a B-day present
for my best friends father. Instead we went to the bar and drank Bloody
Marys for breakfeast/lunch/dinner.
A few other rinks that I have to attend a game before I die,
1. Chicago
2. Le Forum
3. Leafs Garden
4. Spectrum
5. MSG
Not in that order though.
Anyone see Cam Stewart get hit by a truck on Saturday night ? One of
the hardest, cleanest hits I have seen in awhile. Sent him to mars.
|
| 11.609 | | MKFSA::LONG | 7 more months and he's all yours | Mon Jan 10 1994 17:01 | 6 |
| 'Saw, might you have the Whalers' schedule handy? What I'm trying
to find out is whether the Pens will play in Hartford again this
season. If so, I'd be highly interested in taking in the game.
billl
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| 11.610 | Go shamooooooos@! | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | I don't get bored, I sleep. | Mon Jan 10 1994 19:58 | 3 |
| What cup holders? There weren't any where I was sitting.
Gin
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| 11.611 | | CAM3::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Jan 11 1994 09:19 | 19 |
| > 'Saw, might you have the Whalers' schedule handy? What I'm trying
> to find out is whether the Pens will play in Hartford again this
> season. If so, I'd be highly interested in taking in the game.
Actually, I don't. I've got a Bruins schedule, but I don't happen to
have a Whalers schedule.
The Whalers are actually playing pretty decent hockey, however, since
Burke has gotten hot, and they're scoring more.
The Pens played there once already. If so, they probably have another
game, if they've been there twice, probably not.
But, if you get a minute, 203-728-6637 is the ticket sales number.....
'Saw
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| 11.612 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Jan 11 1994 12:31 | 14 |
| I saw that hit on Stewart, TH.. He didn't know his own name.
I think it was the same Panther that Stewart had decked in the
Florida zone earlier. I believe he led the IHL in PM's last year.
BTW, who was it Milbury(??) who said that they got Casey for Moog
not fer vindictiveness but to win games? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
B's, despite being mediocre, in 2nd place. Shows ya the dilution of
talent.
They sip.
MikeL
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| 11.613 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Tue Jan 11 1994 13:50 | 26 |
| Wait until the end of this week. The B's have Pens tonight, Detriot,
and just got whacked by the Leafs. Throw in the Flyers this week also.
When they play the upper tier of teams, weakness show that they are A.
one dimensional, B. week between the pipes, C.need help on defense.
Oates is day to day and Kneeley waits for the biscuit, toss in Bourque,
Westley, D.Sweeney, and Juneau there's your Bruins. Incredably
mediocre, I haven't seen them look this lame in a few years. Bet ya see
a ticket increase at the end of this year too.
Cam Stewart, gave a mean hit and took one back twice as hard, then got
the stuffing beat out of him in the third. He should last maybe this
season and maybe a little of next. He'll make the fatal mistake of
pissing off a Toccet or a Messier and pay for it with his career. Guys
like him are a dime a dozen, to bad they only learn the hard way.
Balls, you bet. Brains, I doubt it. They were still checking him out
5-10 minutes after the hit. I was sitting across the B's bench watching
the team doctor and he checked him every thirty or so seconds. (Lights
in his eyes, the regular how many fingers am I holding routine) The
Panthers sitting next to the B's side of the bench were also looking at
him and smiling. Live by the sword, die by it. He is a tough S.O.B.
I'll give him that.
Anyone see the stars beat the Blues when St. louis tried to clear the
puck up the boards and it along with a blues player bumped into the ref
causing a stars breakaway ? They scored and won the game.
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| 11.614 | | CAM3::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Jan 11 1994 13:55 | 11 |
| >
> Wait until the end of this week. The B's have Pens tonight, Detriot,
> and just got whacked by the Leafs. Throw in the Flyers this week also.
> When they play the upper tier of teams, weakness show that they are A.
> one dimensional, B. week between the pipes, C.need help on defense.
> Oates is day to day and Kneeley waits for the biscuit, toss in Bourque,
> Westley, D.Sweeney, and Juneau there's your Bruins. Incredably
> mediocre, I haven't seen them look this lame in a few years. Bet ya see
> a ticket increase at the end of this year too.
From what I've seen this year I kind of have to agree with you.....
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| 11.615 | Gub shy? | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Jan 11 1994 21:47 | 10 |
|
Neely is kinda basket hanging isn't he..
Maybe he's really got nothing leftin the knee to let him all
hang out. He sure ain't balls to the wall like he used to be.
Sure can bury the biscuit still, tho..
MikeL
P.S. I hope he ain't turned chicken if ya get my drift.
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| 11.616 | that number 5 on 31 your outta here Childs | CNTROL::CHILDS | Phil Simms the real NFL MVP! | Wed Jan 12 1994 10:59 | 8 |
| <<< Note 11.610 by SWAM2::MASSEY_VI "I don't get bored, I sleep." >>>
-< Go shamooooooos@! >-
Thanks Gin!!!
we need all the fans we can get........
|
| 11.617 | Latest on Binging people from Canada, eh.... | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 21 1994 12:30 | 42 |
| I have to post this. It's mail I got from JD, about his recent trip to
Montreal......
Enjoy
'Saw
===========================================================================
From: US1RMC::"[email protected]" 21-JAN-1994 12:08:15.71
To: cam::way
CC:
Subj: Hey...
Up in Montreal on business, got tickets to the Habs -
Sat next to two guys from around Ottawa, eh. Leafs fans.
Ha ha. First time to the Forum. They reminded me of the
guys we met Binging in Seattle. First they were binging,
eh. Second, they were really hysterical.
"Hey, you know who's good, Moligney, plays for the Penguins,"
says Hoser 2 to Hoser 1.
"Moligney, there's no such guy you daft. Not on the Penguins,
its Mogilney, he's on Buffalo..." Hoser 1
Hoser 2 says "Isn't Moligney on Pittsburgh?"
Hoser 1 say "Hey you Ale brain, there's no such fucking
person as Moligney, its Mogilney, he's on Buffalo, ask
the Yanks, even they will know!"
Hoser 2 "His first name is Wally or something..."
Hoser 1 "Wally Moligney - fucking ale is eating yer
brains. Too many pucks to yer noggin - its ALEX
Mogilney on Buffalo.
And on and on. Too funny.
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| 11.618 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 21 1994 13:44 | 33 |
| More from JD about the two cool hosers who were bingin' with him....
'Saw
============================================================================
These guys were classics - they asked me about cheering,
"Hey, like here at the Forum, they go GO HABS GO, and
in Toronto, they go GO LEAFS GO - what do they say
in Boston? Do they say Go Broons Go, or Here we
Go Broons? Or do they say Boston?"
So I said, well, I guess they say Go Broons Go, and the
Hoser says to his buddy "Yeah, it is Go Brooons Go, you
were right..."
They were really excited to be at the forum, because
"Hey man, you look at that ice, eh, and think of the
Fucking History man, LaFleur, Richard, Belliveau, just
too much man. Only problem is they get a little too
french here, Ha ha. "
They kept axing me about the Broons - and not being
a fan of da Broons, I couldn't answer half their
questions. They like Cam though. And 'Big ray, #77'
I was rooling for most of the game...
Oh, and they loved Don Cherry, so you know they were
good guys. And they bought me an ale, eh.
JD
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| 11.620 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Jan 21 1994 14:19 | 1 |
| What's Binging?
|
| 11.622 | Tommy Brydie, Rancor-Man of SPORTS....8^) | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 21 1994 14:22 | 12 |
| That's cool stuff.
Did you use a pair of pliers, or did you like dig it out with a screwdriver.
One time, just to see what it felt like, I put my fingernail on my
dad's grinding wheel. It was cool, especially when the blood started to fly
around and hit the ceiling...
I laughed that day, I can tell you....
'Saw
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| 11.623 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 21 1994 14:25 | 17 |
| Binging, means to go on a binge.
One time, when JD and I were in Seattle, and catching a couple of brews before
going in to see the Browns manhandle the Seahawks, we bumped into a
couple of guys from Vancouver (eh) who were down on a three-day weekend
of Binging.
They were pretty funny, and of course, their best line was when JD and
I left the bar to go into the sold-out, ~70K person stadium, they called
after us, "Hey, maybe we'll see you in there...."
So, ever since, "binging" has been a part of our vocabulary, eh....
Canadians are funny.....and fun to party with, I must say, eh.
'Saw
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| 11.624 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Fri Jan 21 1994 14:38 | 4 |
|
I'm surprised JD would go to a Hockey game...... seeing as how the
stick and the puck do all the work along with the blades. 8*)
|
| 11.625 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Thu Jan 27 1994 22:15 | 15 |
| What is the new playoff scheme?
Division winners + the next 6.
Are the division winners ranked 1-2 to start with and then
it is 1-8,
4-5
2-7
3-6
The pairings in the 2 conferences?
The Crazy Met
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| 11.626 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 28 1994 08:25 | 16 |
| > What is the new playoff scheme?
Top eight teams in both divisions. Division winner means nothing. If the
top two teams in Division A have better records than the Division Winner in
Division B, Division B is the 3rd seed.
Pairings are 1-8,2-7, 3-6, 4-5.
I'm not sure how the second round will work, but I imagine it is
top seed remaining vs lowest seed remaining etc....
hth,
'Saw
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| 11.627 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Forty never looked so good | Fri Jan 28 1994 09:02 | 5 |
| Nope....
.625 is correct
pete
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| 11.628 | | ZEKE::SAIA | R.I.P. AMA/CCS #235 | Fri Jan 28 1994 09:10 | 9 |
|
Division winner means nothing ? Tell that to Harry Sinden. He seems to
think that they = the Cup.
Should be interesting to see the new playoff scheduale and how it will
turn out.
|
| 11.629 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Fri Jan 28 1994 09:15 | 9 |
| Okay, I stand corrected. That's not what I originally heard on the
FAN, but I've heard nothing about it lately, so it might have been
early mis-reporting.....
Personally, I think that sucks. I'd rather see it 1-8 based on
points.
'Saw
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| 11.630 | | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Fri Jan 28 1994 09:46 | 7 |
|
While it is true that winning does not mean that much, both division
winners WILL go to the playoffs. Period. The worst they could do is
7th place.
Marc
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| 11.631 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Jan 28 1994 09:51 | 4 |
| If winning the division gets a team the #2 seed then it does mean something
since they get a better first round match up.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.633 | | KALI::MORGAN | | Mon Feb 07 1994 09:38 | 4 |
| A good old fashioned toe-to-toe slugfest it was! McSorley held his own
against the champ, I thought.
Steve
|
| 11.634 | Probie wins on points | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Mon Feb 07 1994 10:12 | 4 |
| That was the longest fight I've seen in a hockey game. It went
longer than some heavyweight fights I've seen.
Mike
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| 11.635 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Sit down, you're rockin' the boat | Mon Feb 07 1994 22:59 | 3 |
| Probie!!! Probie!!! Probie!!! King of the Hill. McSorley, Domi,
etc... are all wannabes...
|
| 11.636 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 08 1994 09:33 | 12 |
| >
> Probie!!! Probie!!! Probie!!! King of the Hill. McSorley, Domi,
> etc... are all wannabes...
You remind me of a Lieutenant I had in the fire department. That's all
I heard for the first 6 months I was in -- Probie, take up that line.
Probie, go get a smoke ejector, Probie give the knob to someone else you
don't know what you're doing.....
Probie this, Loo!
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| 11.637 | Dallas is stuck with him now | ANGLIN::WIERSBECK | Golden Gopher hoops! | Thu Feb 10 1994 17:00 | 24 |
| Even though I don't follow the NHL at all, it was good to finally hear
the truth as to why the North Stars left Minnesota. Pat Forcia, former
No Stars PR rep has publicly stated that he was told by slimeball owner
Norm Green to push on the media the financial problems of the No Stars
as far back as December '92. The real reason Green left was because of
the sexual harrassment charges being filed against him by a woman who
worked for the No Stars. Details have come out and continue to explain
some of the things Green would do her and other women. Things like
touching and kissing women who weren't receptive to such, telling and
showing them how to sit - one story in the paper said he grabbed the
ankles of a woman and crossed her legs differently, telling her "this
is how a lady should sit."
I do know his wife left Minnesota for good several months before the
team moved, never to return there. So at least MN fans had confirmed
what was thought by many, this wasn't about finances - attendance was
in fact picking up over the previous two years. I believe they
averaged 13,000+ last year too.
Just goes to show, if you have the money, community be damned, they'll
pick up their toys and leave if not happy.
Spud
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| 11.638 | This guy go to school with Packwood? | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Thu Feb 10 1994 17:14 | 1 |
|
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| 11.639 | | MKFSA::LONG | and you know they got a helluva band! | Mon Feb 21 1994 10:20 | 17 |
| Got to see a pretty good game from an ideal spot Saturday. Got tix
to the Whalers - Rangers in Haafaad. Seats were in the SportsChannel
Skybox. What a life!
Was interesting to see the place packed with New Yuckers, at least
until the Whalers scored what turned out to be the game winner.
At that point there was a flood of blue and white shirts heading for
the exits. We stayed put until the final buzzer. Of course, it had
nothing to do with the fact that the eats and brewskis kept coming
compliments of SC.
The Rangers' goalie, Richter (I think), got caught taking a nap in the
third period. Other than that it was an entertaining game by both
teams.
billl
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| 11.640 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Mon Feb 21 1994 10:45 | 4 |
| The Sky Boxes in the Civic Center *are* pretty plush. I saw a ZZ Top
concert from up there one night.
Gotta love it....
|
| 11.641 | | METSNY::francus | Boston-TheHubOfTheUniverse | Mon Feb 21 1994 11:11 | 5 |
| billl, who got you the tix?? and a game against NYR and 'ya didn't
even invite me :-(
The Crazy Met
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| 11.642 | | 38346::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Feb 21 1994 12:37 | 2 |
| Yeah, billl, whatsamatta wit you? and after all those nice things TCM
had to say about Pittsburgh.
|
| 11.643 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Ever been to Mount Stoogemore???? | Mon Feb 21 1994 15:58 | 12 |
|
>>billl, who got you the tix?? and a game against NYR and 'ya didn't
>>even invite me :-(
TCM, kwitchyerbitchin.....ya wasn't even in Massucktwoshits Sat. night,
ya was at a much better place, the 'Burgh!!!
Didja get a quiet night's sleep last night without the 2-1/2 yr old
waking ya????
JaKe
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| 11.644 | 'burgh > Boston, could make an argument for that | METSNY::francus | Boston-TheHubOfTheUniverse | Mon Feb 21 1994 16:01 | 9 |
| > Didja get a quiet night's sleep last night without the 2-1/2 yr old
> waking ya????
no, but it was for a good cause.
JaKester, the point isn't that I was not in Boston, point is I wasn't given
the chance to decline.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.645 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | | Mon Feb 21 1994 16:04 | 16 |
|
>>> Didja get a quiet night's sleep last night without the 2-1/2 yr old
>>> waking ya????
>>no, but it was for a good cause.
sounds like yer hand didt reject ya by falling asleep, eh??
(8^)*
>>JaKester, the point isn't that I was not in Boston, point is I wasn't given
>>the chance to decline.
Picky, picky, picky!!!
JaKe
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| 11.646 | | 38346::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Feb 21 1994 16:57 | 3 |
| So what if TCM was or wasn't in Massachusetts. It wouldn't have done
him any good if he was. The game billllllllll went to was in Hartford,
CT.
|
| 11.647 | billl - sduc alert | METSNY::francus | /er's heroes:VictorKiam and PatSullivan | Mon Feb 21 1994 17:00 | 9 |
| I guess Mac needs a lesson in geography.
Billl was in NH and able to drive down to Hartford. Last year lots of folks
managed to drive from the Boston area to Hartford for a game. Now getting
from PA to Hartford is more difficult. I suspect that even Melanie (=Bob='s
4 year old kid) can understand this; that means that maybe Mac will also
be able to understand this, maybe not.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.648 | being of fine namenculture | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon Feb 21 1994 17:36 | 5 |
| tcm,
I'm sure Bill the younger would've invited you if he'd aknown you
was in pittsburgh...
bill'te
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| 11.649 | | MKFSA::LONG | and you know they got a helluva band! | Tue Feb 22 1994 08:28 | 7 |
| Nah, don't try to butter him up. I still wouldn't have invited him.
After all I was just an invitee meself. Only ticket I had control over
was the one in my hand, and I surely wasn't gonna give it to no Mucking
Fets fan!
billl (the younger)
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| 11.650 | | MKFSA::LONG | and you know they got a helluva band! | Tue Feb 22 1994 08:33 | 5 |
| See TC*, I told you the Rangers were the best team in the NHL.
They even beat the Pens in OT last night.
billl
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| 11.651 | Be a main! | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Feb 22 1994 09:23 | 9 |
| Well Craze, sdtop hiding behind those peep shows on 42nd willya!!
Get out and root for those Stanley Cup favorites, the Rangers!
Where's the positive backing and confidence?? You sure you're not a
closet BoSox fan?
MikeL
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| 11.652 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 09:29 | 15 |
| Question:
If I wanted to take in a Rangers game at Madison Square Garden,
and say I wanted to take a train from CT, what would be
the best way to get there?
Is the train station (Grand Central????) anywhere near the Garden,
or would I have to take a cab ($$$$$?) to get there?
Haven't been to the Big Apple is 15 years, so I've no idea where
I'd be going.....
'Saw
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| 11.654 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 10:13 | 13 |
| >
> Penn Central Station is right under the Garden.
>
Oh, cool.
So it sounds like I can take a train in and be right there. That's great.
I've never been to the Garden, and I think it would be cool to see
a game there.....
'Saw
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| 11.655 | Cab or Subway to the Garden | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Tue Feb 22 1994 11:09 | 7 |
| Saw,
Trains from Conn. stop at Grand Central. Penn Central is about
10-15 blocks away. I think it is in the low 30's, but I could
be wrong.
Mike
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| 11.656 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 11:20 | 10 |
| > Trains from Conn. stop at Grand Central. Penn Central is about
> 10-15 blocks away. I think it is in the low 30's, but I could
> be wrong.
Oh.
Is that a bad area? I could walk 10-15 blocks but not in a bad area....8^)
'aw
|
| 11.658 | | METSNY::francus | /er's heroes:VictorKiam and PatSullivan | Tue Feb 22 1994 11:31 | 7 |
| Madison Square Garden is on 7th avenue between 32nd and 33rd st.
Grand Central Station is on 42nd between Lex and Park.
Take the shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square. Then you can
either take the #1,2,or 3 one stop to Penn Station or you could get
on to 7th avenue and walk. Area is well populated and relatively safe.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.659 | | METSNY::francus | /er's heroes:VictorKiam and PatSullivan | Tue Feb 22 1994 11:34 | 13 |
| MikeL
I do root for the Rangers. And I do hope they win the Stanley Cup. But ...
And wouldn't 'ya know it SI did a story on why this could finally
be the Rangers year in this weeks edition of the magazine. Ugh! One
of their comments was that Rangers fans don't want anyone even saying this
might be there year.
They are a real good team, and they are playing very well. But the playoffs
come and something Bucknerian always seems to happen either during the
playoffs or right before them.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.660 | Grand Central location | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Tue Feb 22 1994 11:54 | 2 |
| Grand Central is on 41st and Park which is about a mile from Penn
Station.
|
| 11.661 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 12:23 | 7 |
| >come and something Bucknerian always seems to happen either during the
^^^^^^^^^^
TCM, as painful as I find that remark, you have GOT to (tm) it....
It's priceless......
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| 11.662 | or Wardle might have his present | CNTROL::CHILDS | I need a Rasberry Lollipop | Tue Feb 22 1994 12:47 | 9 |
|
I'll concur with TCM about the safety of the area. When I've gone to BET,
I've walked. taken the subs between both areas and had no problems. Heck
I was out walking up around 112 th and that area with Dan S. and never
had or saw a problem. If you're serious, let me know and I'll give you
Dan's address and phone number (few years old, so I can't guaranty they're
his present).
mike
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| 11.663 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 13:15 | 9 |
| I'm thinking about it Mike.
I'd probably want to have tickets in hand before going, or else pick a
game that's not likely to be sold out and hope to buy them there.
I'll let you know if I get closer to doing it....
'Saw
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| 11.664 | Kidding about packing the 9mm (sorta) | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Tue Feb 22 1994 14:41 | 9 |
| Some newyorkers (my uncle has lived there 30 years) carry a 20 wrapped
around a few singles as mug-money. If they hit you you throw them the
roll, they go after it you go.
you are best off moving purposefully and quickly and soberly. You
might pack that 9mm but if you use it you are the one in trouble.
I never had a problem in my decade of nit trips. You're size will
deter most.
|
| 11.665 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 14:52 | 15 |
| > you are best off moving purposefully and quickly and soberly. You
> might pack that 9mm but if you use it you are the one in trouble.
I'll only carry if I have a permit to carry in that location -- because
if you end up using it, you're in a world of trouble anyway. NYC permits
are notoriously difficult to get, and I don't have one.
But, on the other hand, better judged by 12 than carried by 6 8^)
> I never had a problem in my decade of nit trips. You're size will
> deter most.
I would hope.....8^)
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| 11.666 | The Sawmain does "gallivant"-- I've seen it! ;-) | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Feb 22 1994 15:20 | 10 |
|
> It's either 33rd or 34th and 7th. I think 34th. At that time of night
> it's not bad. I wouldn't go gallavanting around there real late at
> night though.
In other words, 'Saw, you can go to the hokey game, but forego the pink
chiffon this time...
glenn
|
| 11.667 | ] | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Tue Feb 22 1994 15:55 | 5 |
| > In other words, 'Saw, you can go to the hokey game, but forego the pink
> chiffon this time...
I was thinking of light green crenalyn this time.....8^)
|
| 11.668 | #17 | FRETZ::HEISER | shut up 'n' jam! | Wed Feb 23 1994 14:53 | 1 |
| Was Stan Jonathan on the '72 Broons?
|
| 11.669 | Pierre Bouchard remembers him from the '78 team though | KALI::MORGAN | | Wed Feb 23 1994 15:20 | 6 |
| I don't think so. I remember skipping school one day to take in a
training camp practice at the Wallace Civic Center and seeing him.
That would have been around '74, so it was somewhere around that time.
I just don't recall him being on the '72 team.
Steve
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| 11.670 | wasn't Bucyk the captain? | FRETZ::HEISER | shut up 'n' jam! | Wed Feb 23 1994 15:24 | 4 |
| Thanks, I used to go up to WCC to but wasn't sure. How about John
Bucyk? I think he was. KNNS (local WFAN) is having a trivia thing on
naming the '72 team members. They seem to have most of the big/obvious
names.
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| 11.671 | Can't remember the others off hand | KALI::MORGAN | | Wed Feb 23 1994 16:26 | 11 |
| Bucyk definitely was.
Espo, Hodge, Cashman
Stanfield, Bucyk, McKenzie
Sanderson, Westfall, Ace Bailey
Orr, Orr, and Orr
Dallas & Rick Smith
Doak, Bill Spear, Don Awrey
Cheevers and Johnston
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| 11.672 | | FRETZ::HEISER | shut up 'n' jam! | Wed Feb 23 1994 16:33 | 14 |
| > Bucyk definitely was.
that's what I thought. The * denotes those guessed already. Not bad
for a bunch of Phoenicians ;-)
*Espo, *Hodge, *Cashman
*Stanfield, Bucyk, *McKenzie
*Sanderson, *Westfall, *Ace Bailey
*Orr, Orr, and Orr
*Dallas & Rick Smith
Doak, Bill Spear, Don Awrey
*Cheevers and Johnston
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| 11.673 | Who was that third line RW?? | CTHQ::LEARY | Tonya's speed dial number: #* | Wed Feb 23 1994 17:39 | 12 |
|
Espo, Hodge, Cashman
Stanfield, McKenzie, Bucyk,
Sanderson, Mike Walton, ??? I believe Westfall and Bailey were on the
'70 winners only, could be wrong about Westfall.
Orr, Dallas Smith, Don Awrey, Ted Green(yep he was back) and Carol
Vadnais. I think Doakie was only on the '70 team and was on the
Raqngers in '72
MikeL
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| 11.674 | Painful memories for a Ranger fan | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Wed Feb 23 1994 22:04 | 6 |
| Westfall was on the team. He assisted on Ace Bailey's winning goal in
game 1. Westfall was lost in the expansion draft to the Islanders that
summer.
And of course,Cheevers,Sanderson,McKenzie and Green would all go to
the WHA that fall,too.
|
| 11.675 | | CAMONE::WAY | Horseshoes and hand-grenades, man | Thu Feb 24 1994 08:33 | 26 |
| Official Roster, 1972 Boston Bruins:
Gerry Cheevers
Ed Johnston
Bobby Orr
Ted Green
Carol Vadnais
Dallas Smith
Don Awrey
Phil Esposito
Ken Hodge
John Bucyk
Mike Walton
Wayne Cashman
Garnet Bailey
Derek Sanderson
Fred Stanfield
Ed Westfall
John McKenzie
Don Marcotte
Garry Peters
Chris Hayes
hth,
'Saw
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| 11.676 | | 38346::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Feb 24 1994 09:44 | 2 |
| Was that the sucky Broons who beat the snot out of the mighty Rangers
in Madison Square Garden lasted night?
|
| 11.677 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Tonya's speed dial number: #* | Thu Feb 24 1994 10:05 | 14 |
| Don't get excited Mac, don't get excited. It's one of the few times
this year the B's actually dominated a team with a winning record.
I like the way they're playing but come playoff time, all the
opposition
gonna do is clamp down on the big line, pressure the d, whack
Bourque every chance they get and it's bye-bye.
Now the Rangers did a good job on playing possum last night. Ni zip
no nada. You don't get off so easily Craze. This team is still
the favs by far.
MikeL
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| 11.678 | Can you believe we all forgot Don Marcotte? | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Feb 24 1994 10:44 | 1 |
|
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| 11.679 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Mar 09 1994 17:12 | 20 |
| After the excitement of the Canada/Sweden Olympic Shootout, the NHL is
once again considering using a shootout themselves. The proposal is
that the shootout would only be used during regular season games. If
the game is tied at the end of regulation, there will be a 5 minute OT.
If it is still tied, there will be a series of 1 on 1 shots (5?). It
it is still tied, there will be a sudden death shootout. For the
standings, each team will get 1 point if the game is tied after OT.
The winner of the shootout will get an additional point. All playoff
games will be decided in overtime without a shootout.
The feelings about adding this are split almost 50/50 amongst the
owners and coaches. Those for it argue that hockey is entertainment
and the fans are cheated when they sit there and don't see a winner.
The Olympic shootout showed that this format is very exciting and
entertaining. Those against it use the usual "purist" arguments.
Another proposal for avoiding a tie is to have the overtime periods be
6 on 6 affairs (no goalies, no shot on goal can originate outside the
blueline), with each team sending a player off after a set time period
until you get to 4 on 4 or 3 on 3.
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| 11.680 | | 36016::WAY | Fire at will!....(Will who?) | Thu Mar 10 1994 08:19 | 4 |
| From what I've heard, the Players Association is against all of these
proposals.
'Saw
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| 11.681 | This part just makes no sense, right up front... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Mar 10 1994 09:15 | 20 |
|
> For the
> standings, each team will get 1 point if the game is tied after OT.
> The winner of the shootout will get an additional point.
Shootout aside, this part is the dumbest, most illogical thing to
come out of the proposal. Instead of the normal 2 points, the two
teams take a combined 3 points out of these extra-special affairs?
In other words, late in tie games, play ultra-defensive hockey
through the OT, because you can guarantee yourself at least one point
and still win the game in the shootout anyway to come away with the
other point.
Far as I know, if this proposal is adopted the NHL would become the
first league to ditch the fundamental net-.500 outcome to a match where
there is a winner and a loser, or two ties. In these shootout games
there'll be a winner but no loser...
glenn
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| 11.682 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Bo$ton Police | Thu Mar 10 1994 12:43 | 10 |
| I think a shootout would be great! But I would make a few minor
modifications. Each team picks their best marksman and gives him
a revolver. The two participants stand back to back at center ice,
take 10 strides in the opposite direction then turn and fire. The
survivor is then declared the winner. This would add excitement
to the game and provide ample opportunity for advancement from the
minor leagues. I doubt you would see too many teams playing for
a tie under my rules!
/Don
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| 11.683 | | SWAM1::OHL_TA | Ouch! Ice burns to the face! | Thu Mar 10 1994 17:24 | 2 |
| I think we should do that for the world leaders too
|
| 11.684 | I hope I haven't been precipitative on Conn's demise | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Mar 10 1994 17:43 | 5 |
| And Connie Smythe could shout from the grave:
"If this gunplay at hockey games isn't stopped,
We'll have sold out arenas every night"
|
| 11.685 | | CAMONE::WAY | Valor | Thu Mar 24 1994 14:15 | 23 |
| Heard a report on the noon news that several Hartford Whalers were arrested
for being in a brawl last night.
Evidently, they were loath to leave a Buffalo bar at 4am, things got rowdy
and fists got flying.
Arrested (as best I can remember):
Pat Verbeek
Janssens
Potvin
Pronger
Sanderson
and the assistant coach McCarthy(?).
Pronger might have an additional problem, because he's only 19.....
If I hear more I'll post it.....
'SAw
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| 11.686 | | CAMONE::WAY | Valor | Fri Mar 25 1994 12:28 | 12 |
| Okay, I forgot to get all the Whaler names, but the team announced this
noon that two of the coaches (didn't get names) are suspended for the
incident.
Chris Pronger has been suspended for the balance of the season for
underage drinking and the rest of the guys will serve a one-game suspension
tonight.
more as I get it....
'Saw
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| 11.687 | Phoenix Nordiques? | SOLANA::MAY_BR | TFO has been TFSO'd | Fri Mar 25 1994 12:29 | 3 |
|
More serious rumors about businessmen from Detroit buying the Quebec
Nordiques and moving them to Phoenix.
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| 11.688 | things that make you go, "Hmmmmm" | MKFSA::LONG | That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! | Fri Mar 25 1994 12:46 | 5 |
| Would they then be the Phoeniques Nordiques, or the Phoenix Nordix?
billl
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| 11.689 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Shoveling that sunshine | Fri Mar 25 1994 14:40 | 2 |
| What the heck is a Nordique anyway? Is that like the Asian equivalent
of Nodong?
|
| 11.690 | | CAMONE::WAY | Valor | Fri Mar 25 1994 14:55 | 3 |
| Roughly translated, it means Man of the North, or so I've been told.
Not being French Canadian, I'm not 100% sure.....
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| 11.691 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 13 1994 23:51 | 10 |
|
Candians lost so they end the season with 96 points. Bruins have 97
with one game left. Buffalo has a game left. If Buffalo wins do the
Candians end up in 6th in the conference???
Rangers will meet the Isles in round1 - yuck. Pens have a much easier
task in round1 facing the Caps.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.692 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Damn, that toe hurts!!!!! | Thu Apr 14 1994 00:33 | 4 |
| C'mon TCP, the Islanders will be pushovers fer the Rangers, admit it.
JaKe
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| 11.693 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Thu Apr 14 1994 01:12 | 12 |
| JaKe if it were true I would be happy to admit it. I'm a bonafide
ObjectiveSportsAnalyst (tm)
Rangers-Islanders will go at least 6 games, very likely 7. No one
will be happier than me if the Rangers win it in 4 or 5.
Pens should dispatch of the Caps in 5. No sweat.
DEVILS could end up facing the Canadians; I would guess that the Bruins
would rather face Buffalo, so would the DEVILS.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.694 | Rangers-Isles...is the collar tight in MSG?? | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Thu Apr 14 1994 10:36 | 8 |
| Broons win or tie tonight, they capture 4th place.
Buffalo or Montreal? Broons haven't done squat agin the Sabres,
so I'd rather see them face the Habs. Don't matter anyhoo, they
ain't going anywhere.
MikeL
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| 11.695 | | MKFSA::LONG | That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! | Thu Apr 14 1994 10:48 | 6 |
| I hope you're wrong about the Broons, Mike. The longer they
hang around, the better my chances of getting to see the Pens
at the Garden.
billl
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| 11.696 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Thu Apr 14 1994 10:49 | 7 |
| With Casey sucking at around 9 Torr these days, and threatening to cross
the Chainsaw's "How Much Does He Suck" Scale's magical 10 Torr line every
time he steps between the pipes, all Broons fans can hope for is that
Riendeau starts and somehow gets HOT and stays wicked HOT.
Casey is truly a shitty goaltender.....
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| 11.697 | not a hokey fan, but couldn't be that bad! | TNPUBS::ALVEY | The Revolution will NOT be televised | Thu Apr 14 1994 10:57 | 3 |
| Hey 'Saw, did Casey run over your dog or something?
dr.a
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| 11.698 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Thu Apr 14 1994 12:09 | 6 |
| >
>Hey 'Saw, did Casey run over your dog or something?
>
Nah, Casey sucks so bad that my dog would go right through his legs.....
|
| 11.699 | | POWDML::TURBIDE | | Thu Apr 14 1994 13:21 | 7 |
| Speaking of goaltenders, I heard (via my mum) that they have called
John Blue up from the Providence Bruins.
Seeing as I had school after work lasted(tm) night I missed 2/3's
of last night's game. Can anyone confirm Blue being called up?
jo
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| 11.700 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:04 | 10 |
| Huh-huh, huh-huh-huh, she said up....
I called him up but he didn't return my calls....
Seriously, I hadn't heard anything about it, but I hope he coming up for
that human seive Casey, and not for Riendeau....
'saw
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| 11.701 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Whaddya want for nuttin'? | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:09 | 2 |
| Jo who?
|
| 11.702 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:13 | 5 |
| > Jo who?
Jo Mama.
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| 11.703 | the dozens is just a game | GENRAL::WADE | So, what's on your alleged mind? | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:17 | 4 |
|
Watch it 'Saw or we'll wind up playing the dozens in here. :*)
Claybone
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| 11.704 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Whaddya want for nuttin'? | Thu Apr 14 1994 14:26 | 4 |
| That's a game, not a sport... so that's not allowed, right?
and Yo Mama's so dumb she thought carpet cleaner was for washing her
dog in the back of her El Camino...
|
| 11.705 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Thu Apr 14 1994 22:54 | 5 |
|
As Beavis and Butt-head would say:
Washing her dog! Washing her dog!
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| 11.706 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 15 1994 00:12 | 14 |
| After the telecast tonight on ESPN2, John Davidson was analyzing the
East and said that with Lemieux healthy the Pens have to be considered
the favorites in the East. The key for the Rangers is how Mike Richter
plays in the first series. If he plays well early on he will be ok for
the playoffs. Rangers can give the Pens a challenge, but the Pens are
the only team that can control an on/off switch in terms of intensity.
Well Pens/Rangers both have to win 2 series before they can meet.
Devils host Buffalo, Bruins host Montreal in the other 2 first round
matchups. West matchups not yet decided - some games still need to be
finished.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.707 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | Pats Day or BUST!!!! | Fri Apr 15 1994 00:53 | 4 |
| GO PENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JaKe
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| 11.708 | Go DEBILS!!!! | POWDML::TURBIDE | | Fri Apr 15 1994 09:31 | 11 |
| RE: .706
John Davidson?
The game I was watching last night had Bill Clement on ESPN2 and he
said the same thing.
Do you have your announcers mixed-up or does ESPN2 have standard
comments for all of their announcers?
jo
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| 11.709 | Not like picking the Sharks to win | GAVEL::PCLX31::satow | gavel::satow, dtn 223-2584 | Fri Apr 15 1994 09:38 | 8 |
| re: .708
Neither of those statements (Pens w/ a healthy Lemieux are favorites, Richter
is the key for the Rangers) are exactly bold conclusions, requiring PhD
level analysis. It's entirely possible that they (and many other hockey
commentators) came to the same conclusion quite independently.
Clay
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| 11.710 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Muhammed, Muhammed Ali... | Fri Apr 15 1994 10:26 | 6 |
| > As Beavis and Butt-head would say:
> Washing her dog! Washing her dog!
I thought it was Breaking the law ! Breaking the law !
|
| 11.711 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Fri Apr 15 1994 10:27 | 7 |
| Yes, but in the Laundromat episode they do washing the dog, washing the
dog....
That's before they talk about lemon-scented chunks.....
8^)
|
| 11.712 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 15 1994 11:40 | 12 |
| ESPN2 was doing the wonderful job that ESPN has always done in cutting in and
out of different games. Anyways they cut to the beginning of the
St. Louis-Winnipeg game - they got one of the local feeds. Now of
course this was a hockey game that had some playoff implications but in the
first minute or two the announcers started sending out wishes for happy
birthdays, etc. But the one that REALLY caught my attention was the
congratulations they sent out to some kid who was going to the
University of Wyoming in the fall. Boy its different in some places
out there!
The Crazy Met
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| 11.713 | quick summary | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 19 1994 01:15 | 14 |
| Bruins-Montreal tied at 1 game a piece. Next 2 games in Montreal
Rangers lead the Islanders 2-0; next 2 games in Long Island
Caps lead the Pens 1-0, next game in Pittsburgh, then 2 in DC
Buffalo leads the DEVILS 1-0, next game in NJm then 2 in Buffalo
Sharks beat Detroit 5-4 in game 1, next game in Detroit then 3 in San
Jose
Toronot leads Chicago 1-0, next game in Toronto then 2 in Chicago
Dallas leads St. Louis 1-0, next game in Dallas then 2 in St. Louis
Calgary was leading Vancouver in game 1, game 2 in Calgary, games 3 and
4 in Vancouver.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.714 | | CAMONE::WAY | Smells like dead teen spirit | Tue Apr 19 1994 09:38 | 10 |
| I thought Casey looked like absolute SH*T on goals 2 and 3 last night.
He might have had some stellar stops earlier, but the Bruins should have
won this game.
Casey is back up to around 4.5 on the Torr meter, after a big drop to
2.2 after Saturday's game....
'Saw
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| 11.715 | It's all just a clever trap, eh, TCM? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Apr 19 1994 12:37 | 7 |
|
When do the effects of that vaunted Rangers-Islanders rivalry kick in,
on the Islanders' side? I'm predicting sometime after the fourth
straight shutout, when the LawnGuylandGoons come over the glass...
glenn
|
| 11.716 | talk to me after 14 more wins, not before that | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 19 1994 13:16 | 4 |
| so far so good. Isles swept in 1981, I think.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.717 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Richardson > Dean | Tue Apr 19 1994 13:42 | 4 |
| Rangers look like a juggernaut. Anything less than a Stanley
Cup has to be considered serious DeanSmithLike underachievement.
/Don
|
| 11.718 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 19 1994 13:52 | 6 |
| juggernaut when not facing a decent goalie. put a guy like Roy in
the other net and it becomes a whole 'nother ball game. Be happy
to get to the team that should win it all, the Pens.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.719 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Richardson > Dean | Tue Apr 19 1994 13:54 | 3 |
| Come on Craze, be a main like Nolan Richardson was!
/Don
|
| 11.720 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 19 1994 13:58 | 6 |
| Lets not get into what I think about some of the stuff Nolan Richardson
was doing and saying. The debate over Clinton/Bush etc. will seem
very mild.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.721 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Richardson > Dean | Tue Apr 19 1994 14:02 | 7 |
| Huh? I was referring to Nolan's stating the obvious when he
said after the sweet sixteen round that his was the team to beat.
It's time for you Ranger fans to throw off that 1940 cloak of despair
and face up to the fact that your team should win the Stanley Cup
this year. Come on Craze, you can do it.
/Don
|
| 11.722 | wouldn't be true | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 19 1994 14:03 | 4 |
| Not a chance!
The Crazy Met
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| 11.723 | A chastened Ranger fan | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Wed Apr 20 1994 13:49 | 14 |
| I might be the only other noter in this conference who roots for the
same four teams(Mets,Jets,Knicks,Rangers) as TCM(that is our curse).
Like Bosox fans,long suffering is redundant when describing Ranger
fans. We have to win 14 more games,probably having to beat our fiercest
rivals,the defending champions(Mtl),and the most talented team(Pitt)
with the greatest player on the planet.
If we get those 10 more wins and make it to the finals -we will
have to overcome the immense pressure of being expected to breeze in an
anticlimactic series.
As a Ranger fan you learn never to take anything for granted. I didn't
relax in either Islander game until late in the third period.
|
| 11.724 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 20 1994 13:53 | 6 |
| re: .723
bravo! encore! well said!
The Crazy Met
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| 11.725 | big city? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Wed Apr 20 1994 13:55 | 4 |
| Does this mean we've settled the controversy over ice skating judging and
whether college hoops is a lame sport?
TTom
|
| 11.726 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 20 1994 13:59 | 6 |
| re: .725
huh???
The Crazy Met
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| 11.727 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Wed Apr 20 1994 14:23 | 1 |
| Ranger sandbagging at it's finest.
|
| 11.728 | Oh NO!! There's two of them | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Apr 20 1994 14:28 | 7 |
| (to borrow the punch line from an old wwII joke)
But I can't see where Toronto, Wings, Dallas for starters would be any
cakewalk for any eastern team. We're not talking American league
baseball supremacy over NL by any means.
billte (no I wasn't one of the Irishmen on the island)
|
| 11.729 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Apr 26 1994 16:21 | 10 |
| � JaKe if it were true I would be happy to admit it. I'm a bonafide
� ObjectiveSportsAnalyst (tm)
�
� Rangers-Islanders will go at least 6 games, very likely 7. No one
� will be happier than me if the Rangers win it in 4 or 5.
�
� Pens should dispatch of the Caps in 5. No sweat.
TCM, you're fitting in quite well with the other self proclaimed OSA's
in thised here conference.
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| 11.730 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Apr 26 1994 18:01 | 9 |
| oh goody, Mac is back, now we'll get to once again see knee jerk
reactions every time the Red Sox/Pats/Bruins/Celtics are criticized.
------------------------------
btw how was the trip??
The Crazy Met
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| 11.731 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | We like our beer flat as can be.. | Tue Apr 26 1994 18:05 | 7 |
|
Red Sox/Pats/Bruins/Celtics suck!!!!
Welcome back MtfM
JaKe
|
| 11.732 | Gilmour is GOD (hear that Part-Time Mario????) | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Wed Apr 27 1994 09:48 | 19 |
| Did anyone else watch the Chicago-Toronto game last night?
What a GREAT hockey game. That Gilmour is unbelievable. I've never
seen anyone play like he did last night. Amazing.
And Belfour, under siege did a masterful job of turning away all but one.
Unfortunately, all it took was one.
Potvin, hardly tested at all by the Hawk for 2/3 of the game, came up
really big down the stretch.
One of the finest hockey games I've ever seen....
Too bad the Bruins couldn't get a guy like Gilmour....
'Saw
|
| 11.733 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 27 1994 12:48 | 7 |
|
Good hockey games last night. ESPN2 had Detroit at San Jose which was
also fun to watch. The San Jose game could not compare with the quality
of the Chicago-Toronto game but it was a lot of fun to watch.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.734 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Wed Apr 27 1994 12:53 | 8 |
| I don't get 2.
Who won?
btw, the Look of the Deuce is pretty hokey I think. All this shit about
[nhl - fire on ice] is so hokey.....
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| 11.735 | surprise of the playoffs so far | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Wed Apr 27 1994 12:59 | 1 |
| yeah who won the Sharks game?
|
| 11.736 | | METSNY::francus | GO CAPS! | Wed Apr 27 1994 13:04 | 6 |
| 6-4 Sharks;
don't you folks read the Scoreboard note??
The Crazy Met
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| 11.737 | that's a nice Chicken Bone Detroit has | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Wed Apr 27 1994 13:16 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.738 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Wed Apr 27 1994 13:21 | 4 |
| Go Sharks!
|
| 11.739 | | METSNY::francus | GO CAPS! | Wed Apr 27 1994 14:18 | 6 |
| re: .737
not yet. Next 2 games are in Detroit. But as 'Saw put it in .738
Go Sharks!
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| 11.740 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Thu Apr 28 1994 00:31 | 8 |
| Anyone now if ESPN has exclusive coverage rights to the Stanley Cup
playoffs after some point? Rangers could in theory meet the Bruins in
the Conference finals. EPSN would obviously show the games, but would
it be blacked out for Bruin games (home games I guess) that are on
NESN?
The Crazy Met
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| 11.741 | Don't think so... | AKOCOA::PETERSON | NHL = No Holding Lemieux | Thu Apr 28 1994 08:30 | 6 |
|
...No,..shouldn't be blacked out. Earlier this year I watched the
B's vs. Flames on NESN that was also being televised by ESPN, so
I'd have to say that a black out wouldn't apply.
...Mel
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| 11.742 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | 26/8=3.25 --- 8 tough loses | Thu Apr 28 1994 08:39 | 8 |
|
That B's, Flames game was probably the only time all year that NESN
didn't black out the game. The B's home playoff games even if on ESPN are
blacked out within 50 miles of Boston. If the B's can clinch the series it
will be shown on TV 38. Example the B's are on 38 this Friday for game
seven, even though it is at the garden.
Ron
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| 11.743 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Thanks Zeke... | Thu Apr 28 1994 19:24 | 2 |
| Too bad the Sabre-DEBIL game wasn't on last night...
|
| 11.744 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 00:12 | 10 |
| re: .743
yup. and just like that Caps-Isles game a few years back I would
have watched it until it ended. There is little to compare with
OT in the NHL playoffs. Baseball, Baseketball, Football have
some sort of OT, but generally it takes time for things to develop. In
hockey every potential rush or pass can lead to a quick shot and goal.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.745 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Fri Apr 29 1994 09:38 | 18 |
| GREAT game last night in Chicago. Those last two games were two of the
most exciting hockey games I've ever seen.
Great jobs by both goalies and it was a shame anyone had to lose.
Great remark by Berg about Doug Gilmour. It went something like
"you can have Mario and Gretzky, but there's no one in the game who
plays as well at both ends of the ice as Gilmour. He's the common
man's hockey player."
Wendell Clarke was a freight train out there last night.
What a GREAT game....
'Saw
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| 11.746 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 10:32 | 6 |
| back-to-back 1-0 wins, Potvin is a hot goaltender at the moment.
Detroit finally played like they should.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.748 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Fri Apr 29 1994 11:24 | 14 |
| Just heard this on the news.
The keepers of the Sahara Desert are extremely worried
this morning, as they are experiencing a severe shortage
of sand. Someone has been stealing bagful after bagful.
Authorities are hopeful however, as they have a suspect
they are investigating.
Someone answering the description of Yoseff Francus has
been seen in the area of late, with sandbags and a
shovel......
Film at 11.....
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| 11.749 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 11:33 | 9 |
| Gee Karen thanks for putting words in my mouth. Should the
Rangers and Maple Leafs meet I will comment on that issue at
that time. .746 was a factual statement, nothing more. If you
wish to disagree with the statement that Potvin is a hot goalie
please I would love to read the argument, it would be most
enjoyable.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.751 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 12:09 | 4 |
| then i'll let you keep your snide remarks to yourself :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 11.752 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Apr 29 1994 13:59 | 4 |
|
I'm tempted to post a note stating that it's a shame that some of
these other series aren't as exciting as that vibrant Rangers-Isles
rivalry was. But I won't. I'm bigger than that.
|
| 11.753 | | MKFSA::LONG | If you like your freedom, thank a Vet! | Fri Apr 29 1994 15:14 | 5 |
| re.752
Don't bother. He wouldn't understand anyway.
billl
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| 11.754 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 16:13 | 7 |
| re: .752
Tommy at a loss for words? Tommy showing restraint?? my oh my what is
this world coming to.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.755 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Apr 29 1994 16:42 | 6 |
|
Showing restraint perhaps but never at a loss for words. Much to your
chagrin I'm sure. But it is my sworn duty to expose those of you who
for whom the term "objective analyst" is a euphemism for "sorry-assed
sandbagger". A lonely, thankless task to be sure but as the saying goes,
"eternal vigilance is the price of voyeurism" or something like that.
|
| 11.756 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Fri Apr 29 1994 16:44 | 18 |
| >
> Showing restraint perhaps but never at a loss for words. Much to your
> chagrin I'm sure. But it is my sworn duty to expose those of you who
> for whom the term "objective analyst" is a euphemism for "sorry-assed
> sandbagger". A lonely, thankless task to be sure but as the saying goes,
> "eternal vigilance is the price of voyeurism" or something like that.
>
Well put.
But it's
Eternal vigilance is the price of a colostomy.
hth,
'aw
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| 11.757 | as I clean my monitor ;-) | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Fri Apr 29 1994 17:11 | 2 |
| > for whom the term "objective analyst" is a euphemism for "sorry-assed
> sandbagger". A lonely, thankless task to be sure but as the saying goes,
|
| 11.758 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Apr 29 1994 18:55 | 10 |
| re: .755
> A lonely, thankless task to be sure but as the saying goes
> "eternal vigilance is the price of voyeurism" or something like that.
Tommy, you should really see someone about this martyr complex you seem
to have.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.759 | Sharks and Canucks advance ! | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Vox Clamantis in Deserto | Sun May 01 1994 12:00 | 12 |
|
Sharks ! Sharks ! Sharks ! Pull off a 3-2 stunner over the Wings.
Poor Wings, 2 straight 100+ point seasons, and lose in the 1st
round each time ...
Excellent Game 7 with the 'Nucks and Flames. 'Nucks pull it out shortly
into the 2nd OT with a goal by Bure ! What great hitting in this one,
especially where the guy was checked up and onto the top of the net !
I love this game !
- acp
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| 11.760 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Mon May 02 1994 09:45 | 18 |
| Thoughts from the weekend.
First off, great job Sharks. You gotta love it. I've never much liked
the Red Wings, and their talent laden team did the ultimate Snuffy Smif'
chicken bone routine, and it was exquisite to watch.
Was disappointed with the outcome of the Flames series, but it was nice
to see the "Bonus Coverage" from ESPN. That's one reason why they're so
good -- they'd do something like that.
Bruins on Friday night were spectacular, and you had to love the crowd
doing the Rooo-wah thing. Patrick sucked, and I'm so glad they got
spanked. Guess the old fake appendicitis thing didn't work.....
'Saw
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| 11.761 | ABC Coverage sucked yesterday. | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Mon May 02 1994 09:49 | 27 |
| Okay, I hope beyond all hope that ABC does NOT have the exclusive contract
on the finals.
Why?
Because their coverage is atrocious. The director of the Bruins-NJ game
yesterday must have never covered a hockey game before.
I cannot believe how many times they made fundamental mistakes. At one
point, NJ had a 2-on-1. The camera shot followed the guy with the puck,
in close up, almost all the way into the net.
I can't remember how many times on a power play, they'd pull some closeup
of two guys battling in the corner while the puck was on its way back
out to the point.
And for almost an entire power play, the showed it from the "end zone"
camera behind Casey -- problem being that angle "flattened" every thing
out and you had no idea where the puck was at.
And they did a lousy job of following the puck.
Thank God NESN/38 or ESPN will have it on Tuesday....
'SAw
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| 11.762 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Thanks Zeke... | Mon May 02 1994 10:23 | 2 |
| Sigh...
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| 11.763 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon May 02 1994 10:38 | 8 |
| 'Sawmain,
In one note you compliment ESPN, in the other you blast ABC.
But you see ESPN actually bought the air time and did the
production on ABC. Same crew, same announcers, etc.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.764 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Mon May 02 1994 10:48 | 12 |
| >In one note you compliment ESPN, in the other you blast ABC.
>But you see ESPN actually bought the air time and did the
>production on ABC. Same crew, same announcers, etc.
I'm aware that ABC and ESPN have that arrangement, however, the coverage
was really different in terms of "shot selection".
Perhaps it might have been a rookie director. At any rate, it was
pretty bad.
'Saw
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| 11.765 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | You gotta put down the duckie... | Mon May 02 1994 11:37 | 8 |
| | Sigh...
Is that the sigh of relief from the Wings after gettign the chicken bone
dis-loged? Unforatunately, it was a little too late...
ISFH
=Bob=
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| 11.766 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Thanks Zeke... | Mon May 02 1994 14:08 | 5 |
| This wasn't decided Saturday. It was decided when they traded
Cheveldae and didn't get a top-flight goalie in return. Why make
the trade if you're just going to start Osgood anyway? Cheveldae
got booed out of Detroit, but when they got Essensa instead of say,
Fuhr, they were dead in the water.
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| 11.767 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 00:42 | 8 |
| The Wild West continues true to form. San Jose beats Toronto 3-2,
Vancouver beats Dallas 6-4 (5-4 +an empty net goal).
San Jose win is bigger than Vancouver's in one sense since San Jose
has the 3 middle games at home.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.768 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Go Broons�! | Tue May 03 1994 12:41 | 6 |
| Craze, this should make the StRangers run for the Cup about as
difficult as Sherman's March To The Sea. The only team they may have to
face that finished as high as a top four seed is either Joisey or Boston.
Just tell Keenan and company to follow the yellow brick road.
/Don
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| 11.769 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Tue May 03 1994 12:49 | 10 |
| > Craze, this should make the StRangers run for the Cup about as
>difficult as Sherman's March To The Sea. The only team they may have to
>face that finished as high as a top four seed is either Joisey or Boston.
>Just tell Keenan and company to follow the yellow brick road.
Easier than that. They'll slip to the Cup like a warm knife through
soft butter....
In fact, start chilling the champagne -- it's a done deal.....
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| 11.770 | A Master plan? | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Holtz, ACC Crisp, TC* | Tue May 03 1994 13:04 | 4 |
| I wonder if this plan to get hte stRangers to win the Cup is part of
the NHL's effort to look more like the NBA in the marketing aspect?
brews
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| 11.771 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 13:05 | 9 |
| however it happens, if it does, won't make it any less sweet.
If the Rangers win the cup, 1 glass of champagne per person in
on me at the next get together I can make - will figure out how many bottles
that is at the appropriate time.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.772 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue May 03 1994 14:20 | 18 |
|
>> however it happens, if it does, won't make it any less sweet.
Craze, you'll be too worried about what grave misfortune will
equalize the Rangers winning the Cup to enjoy it for very long.
Given how much the Rangers finally winning it all means to you,
I'd say that your genitals shriveling, drying and then falling
off ought to balance things. Enjoy.
>> If the Rangers win the cup, 1 glass of champagne per person in
>> on me at the next get together I can make - will figure out how
>> many bottles that is at the appropriate time.
"1 glass of champagne per person"? What are you going to do after
we've had our "1 glass per person"? Cork the bottle and take it
home? The last of the big time spenders. And none of that domestic
crap either.
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| 11.773 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Thanks Zeke... | Tue May 03 1994 14:29 | 2 |
| Van-Dal is 2-2-1-1-1?
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| 11.774 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Tue May 03 1994 14:30 | 6 |
| >
> Van-Dal is 2-2-1-1-1?
>
Yes.
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| 11.775 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 14:34 | 8 |
| Umm, Tommy, you po' po' soul must not get champagne very often.
A bottle can generally handle maybe 8 glasses. If I'm in a really
good mood, guess that means Tommy isn't there :-), I might even
splurge for more. Oh yeah, bad champagne is not champagne in my
book, more akin to heavy sweet malaga - yech!
The Crazy Met
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| 11.776 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Holtz, ACC Crisp, TC* | Tue May 03 1994 14:46 | 8 |
| > And none of that domestic crap either.
No need to worry about this, Tommy. By specifying "champagne," it MUST
be imported from the Champagne region of France. They have a trademark
on the word, and only allow it to be used on the stuff from their
region. The other stuff says "Methode Champagnois" or sumfin like dat.
brews
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| 11.777 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Go Broons�! | Tue May 03 1994 14:50 | 9 |
| So is the distance between Dallas and Vancouver that much less
than it is between Detriot� and San Jose? I thought the reasoning
behind the 2-3-3 was to use it when extensive travel was involved? Seems
like it should have been used here. I think the 2-3-2 home court
disadvantage is just a smokescreen to help the Sharks win more series
thereby increasing the sales of San Jose jerseys to mall rats across the
country.
/Don
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| 11.778 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 14:51 | 5 |
| hmm, good question. I could be wrong. Vancouver-Dallas could be
a 2-3-2 scheme.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.779 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Tue May 03 1994 14:52 | 3 |
| I thought it was more a question of time zones than extensive travel.
Could be wrong.....
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| 11.780 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 14:54 | 10 |
| Sorry, Brews but specifying champagne in the context that I did is
generally assumed as "Methode Champagnois". There are some
very good wines made via "Methode Champagnois".
that are not from the Champagne area of France.
Anyway it is still waaaaay too early to worry about this. This is the
NY Rangers we are talking about.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.781 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Tue May 03 1994 15:01 | 1 |
| Beer and whiskey roolz......8^)
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| 11.782 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Holtz, ACC Crisp, TC* | Tue May 03 1994 15:01 | 11 |
| > Sorry, Brews but specifying champagne in the context that I did
> isgenerally assumed as "Methode Champagnois". There are somevery good
> wines made via "Methode Champagnois".that are not from the Champagne
> area of France.
I'm glad that you admit your error, but I don't think anyone in France
will agree with your assumption. Maybe we should put it up to a vote
or trial in here? I can pick up some Dom for you at Price Club pretty
cheap, but you can do better and at a lower price if you shop around.
brews
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| 11.783 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 15:05 | 6 |
| Piper Heidsic is pretty good; there is also things like Taittinger, Mums,
and all kinds of other stuff that is considered to be champagne. And since
I'm not asking anyone in France, their objections are irrelvant.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.784 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Holtz, ACC Crisp, TC* | Tue May 03 1994 15:10 | 5 |
| > and all kinds of other stuff that is considered to be champagne
It aint champagne. Mumm may actually have a champagne.
brews
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| 11.785 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 15:19 | 4 |
| we're arguing over sematics.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.786 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue May 03 1994 15:21 | 2 |
|
There's something new.
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| 11.787 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 03 1994 15:25 | 6 |
| re: .786
your amazing insight continues to astound all of us.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.788 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue May 03 1994 15:26 | 2 |
|
There's something new.
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| 11.789 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Tue May 03 1994 15:29 | 13 |
|
Yabbut, instead of champagne,
can I have gin instead?
;^)
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| 11.790 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels and Raw Beef | Mon May 09 1994 16:18 | 9 |
| I'm really kind of annoyed that the only coverage for the two Western
Series is ESPN2.
My cable company doesn't offer it, and I think it kind of sucks that
somewhere we cannot get access. I mean, I don't much give two hoots
about Wednesday night baseball. A couple of weeks back they'd cover
hockey on ESPN.
As Seinfeld would say "What's with that?"
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| 11.791 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Mon May 09 1994 16:33 | 11 |
|
'Saw Tuesday night I think you'll get the Western conference on
both ESPN and ESPN2. Problem has been that the West had Wednesday night,
Friday night - don't know what was on - and Sunday night. Wed. and Sun.
are ESPN's baseball nights.
At least with ESPN2 the games are available, while without it no one
would get to see the games.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.792 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels and Raw Beef | Mon May 09 1994 16:45 | 9 |
| >At least with ESPN2 the games are available, while without it no one
>would get to see the games.
Good point, Craze. I'll have to call my cable company and bitch....
(lotta good that will do....)
'Saw
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| 11.793 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Go Broons�! | Wed May 11 1994 09:07 | 5 |
| Anybody else pulling for a Vancouver/San Jose Western Conference
Finals? I would be fun the watch Craze building up these sorry
squads to be the equivalent of the 1950's Canadian dynasty teams.
/Don
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| 11.794 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Yes I Am !!! | Wed May 11 1994 10:14 | 5 |
|
Craze is hoping that the Sharks go to the finals against his
Rangers. That way he can come out and say the Rangers should win the cup.
Ron
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| 11.795 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 11 1994 10:21 | 9 |
|
>> Craze is hoping that the Sharks go to the finals against his
>> Rangers. That way he can come out and say the Rangers should
>> win the cup.
I don't think Craze is that bold. Given that he was still afeared
of the Isles when they were down 3-0 in the series, I'd say Craze
would give the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders an even chance of beating
his Rangers.
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| 11.796 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels and Raw Beef | Wed May 11 1994 10:29 | 7 |
| > would give the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders an even chance of beating
> his Rangers.
Actually, Tommy, that's probably the ONLY team that has a chance of
beating the Rangers. I mean, if I was the Rangers, and I saw those
Cheerleaders coming out, I'd just roll over and quit right there.....8^)
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| 11.797 | realisitic, as always | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 12:37 | 10 |
|
As an ObjectiveSportsAnalyst I have no choice but to say the following.
The Canadians and Islanders are out of the way and the Rangers are now
in the conference finals. The Rangers should beat any team they might face
from the Western conference. Rangers should also beat the DEVILS or
Bruins to get to the finals.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.798 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 11 1994 12:45 | 15 |
|
>> The Canadians and Islanders are out of the way and the Rangers
>> are now in the conference finals.
Thank goodness them Islanders are out, eh? The Rangers damn near
broke a sweat in that series.
>> The Rangers should beat any team they might face from the Western
>> conference. Rangers should also beat the DEVILS or Bruins to get to
>> the finals.
With your track record analyzing hockey contests, I fully expect
the Devils to eliminate the Rangers in six.
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| 11.799 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 12:51 | 6 |
| re: .798
good to see that you will bitch about anything, Tommy.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.800 | ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Wed May 11 1994 12:52 | 1 |
|
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| 11.801 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Home of the driveby noter... | Wed May 11 1994 13:52 | 2 |
| Not me... I've got a roommate giving me a hard time about the Norris...
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| 11.802 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 11 1994 15:15 | 12 |
|
re .799
Stop your crying, Craze. You brought it on yourself by emasculating
yourself in front of the entire SPORTSnotes community when you built
up the pathetic Islanders and downplayed the best team in hockey. If
it would've been ACC Chris or MikeL or Heiser or myself, you'd be
relishing the role of inquistor. But the shoe's on the other foot and
it's none too comfy. Too bad. Too damn bad. I ain't doing nothing
but holding up the great SPORTSnotes tradition. And enjoying doing
it. Hehehe!!!
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| 11.803 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knick,Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 15:36 | 24 |
|
Tommy actually you are being a real jerk, but you are so accustomed to that role
that expecting anything else from you is pointless. You and your favorite sport
boxing really do define the lowest common denominator in things human.
It is no surprise that you gravitate to boxing.
It is also fairly obvious that you simply have no clue about sports history.
Your clear attitude is that if it happened more than a few years old and
did not involve your favorite team it is irrelevant, no matter what the
facts happen to be.
You truly have no sense of history, or even worse you simply choose to ignore
it, if you can really claim that 54 years of frustration is meaningless.
No Red Sox fan or Cubs fan will believe that their team has actually won the
WS until the last out is recorded and no Rangers fan will believe that the
Rangers have won the Stanley Cup until the last second has ticked off in the
clinching game of the final series. As a Red Sox fan you MIGHT be able to
understand it, but then again in your role as consummate jerk you
probably won't.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.804 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | You gotta put down the duckie... | Wed May 11 1994 15:41 | 4 |
| | METSNY::francus "Rangers,Knick,Mets in '94"
Scary part 'bout this pname is that if it said Yanks, it's acutally possible.
What could be worse?
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| 11.805 | I thought you was enjoying this?? | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Wed May 11 1994 15:41 | 13 |
| Jayzus Craze,
I didn't realize how much you resembled a large mouf bass the way you
attacked that bait.
Chill out main, this is SPROTS not life.
And even if I do understand your paranoia in a way, we didn't see
any mainly predictions from the get-go. Shouldas, wouldas if this team
is out, ain't no ringing endorsement. Too late for that.
MikeL
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| 11.806 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knick,Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 15:45 | 7 |
|
well my nightmare would be
Celtics,Islanders,Cowboys,Yankees
The Crazy Met
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| 11.807 | Celtics RULE | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Wed May 11 1994 16:23 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.808 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 16:23 | 4 |
| ruled
The Crazy Met
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| 11.809 | who's won more than 16 titles? | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Wed May 11 1994 16:24 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.810 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 16:29 | 4 |
| rule is present tense, and therefore in this context incorrect.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.811 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed May 11 1994 16:30 | 1 |
| Why are we talking basketball in the NHL note?
|
| 11.812 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 16:31 | 4 |
| because of .804
The Crazy Met
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| 11.813 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Wed May 11 1994 16:39 | 6 |
|
> Who's won more than 16 titles?
NY YANKEES
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| 11.814 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 16:40 | 7 |
|
> Who's won more than 16 titles?
Montreal Canadians
The Crazy Met
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| 11.815 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 11 1994 16:44 | 20 |
| re .803
Craze, I would prefer to stick to a discussion of your awful awful
(toss in another awful) record analyzing and predicting the NHL
playoffs thus far. Anyone who calls himself an "ObjectiveSports
Analyst" is open to criticism about his ability to objectively
analyze sports. If you can't take it then call yourself what you
really are - SubjectiveRangers'Scaredycat. These constant references
to past history are by and large irrelevant when the best players
on your team have been imported from proven winners. Ask Mark Messier
if he gives a damn about "Rangers history". Of course, he doesn't.
It's a crutch. If the Sox had managed to assemble the type of talent
that the Rangers have from a bunch of proven winners, I certainly
wouldn't be making the kind of namby-pamby statements that you have.
But rather than stand on your record (and I can understand why you
would rather forget it), you choose to hurl insults and steer the
discussion away from the real topic at hand, which really is noting
in the best SPORTS tradition.
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| 11.816 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 16:59 | 28 |
| nope! what players think about and what fans think about do not
need to be the same thing. I suspect that just about everyone in here
has been wrong more often than not re: this year's NHL playoffs. Keep
in mind, fwiw, that I never predicted the Islanders would beat the Rangers,
simply that I was scared of 'em. Sure Rangers handled them a while
lot easier than I figured, good I'm happy I was wrong about that.
Objective analysis, especially in sports,
never has and never will guarantee that a prediction that is made will
be the correct one - that is why they still play the games.
As long as you are dealing with fans history is relevant. Red Sox players
in 1986 likely said something like not winning since 1918 is not
relevant, this team is different than the previous teams. How many fans
considered history irrelevant and completely believed those statements??
In 1992 I thought the Rangers would win
the cup and said so - the fact that the prediction was wrong is irrelvant.
And on the 1992 team many of the players were imported from proven winners;
Messier and Graves were both on that team as well.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, it is as simple as that.
oh and btw Tommy, .803 is simply playing by your rules.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.817 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed May 11 1994 17:06 | 12 |
| �As long as you are dealing with fans history is relevant. Red Sox players
�in 1986 likely said something like not winning since 1918 is not
�relevant, this team is different than the previous teams. How many fans
�considered history irrelevant and completely believed those statements??
Most believed the hype about the Mets being the best team in baseball.
�oh and btw Tommy, .803 is simply playing by your rules.
I don't think so. It's been quite some time since I've seen such a
blatant personal attack in here. Maybe you need to refill your valium
prescription.
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| 11.818 | valium, never had it, does it work Mac?? | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 17:16 | 5 |
|
Can some help Mac out here? MikeL try and help MtM out a little bit.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.819 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 11 1994 17:31 | 35 |
|
>> nope! what players think about and what fans think about do not
>> need to be the same thing.
Never said they were. What I am saying is that the Red Sox nor
the Rangers (I suspect) have ever had a team as dominating as
this year's Rangers. The players involved haven't gotten into
the habit of losing like say, the Bills and Broncos. Quite the
contrary. This "woe is us" spiel has a reall hollow ring when
your team sports twenty-five championship rings between 'em, but
I guess if you're prepared to believe that the Isles could take
the Rangers to seven games, you're really prepared to believe
just about anything.
>> I suspect that just about everyone in here has been wrong more
>> often than not re: this year's NHL playoffs.
There's only one hockey fan calling himself an "Objective Sports
Analyst" and he's been wrong every step of the way. And what's worse,
by his own admission he can't be objective because his opinion is too
clouded by the past.
>> Keep in mind, fwiw, that I never predicted the Islanders would beat
>> the Rangers, simply that I was scared of 'em.
And we all saw just how much merit that had.
>> oh and btw Tommy, .803 is simply playing by your rules.
I don't remember calling you a jerk just making a complete mockery of
your record. This isn't one of those contrived arguments I used to
have with Glenn and of which I am sincerely embarassed. I'm serious
when I tell you that you're being ridiculous and a wuss about it
all.
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| 11.820 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed May 11 1994 17:46 | 7 |
| 1946 world series sox were big favorites, partly because of american
league dominance (perceived) at the time.
'78 sox would have been big favorites if they had got by the yankees
(*&^)
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| 11.821 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 17:55 | 27 |
|
Who would ever have believed that the Sharks would take Detroit to 7
games and win, or lead Toronto 3-2.
re: Rangers
Many of the same players were on the 1992 team that had the best record
and still did not win. Those players had won Stanley Cups yet they
blew it big time against the Pens in the second round. So just
because a team has players who have won before doesn't mean that they
will win this year.
> There's only one hockey fan calling himself an "Objective Sports
> Analyst" and he's been wrong every step of the way
One has no bearing on the other. Objectively San Jose and Vancouver should
be lining up for tee times, but they are not. There is no way that the Isles
should have come close against the Pens last year, but they won that
series. Emotion can have a heck of an effect in the playoffs and simply
because you seem to believe that is not the case does not make it untrue.
Sometimes, part of doing analysis requires examining the past, IMNSHO this
is one of those times.
> I'm serious when I tell you that you're being ridiculous
See above.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.822 | Tcm, beware those Sharks, they are for real | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed May 11 1994 17:58 | 10 |
| >Who would ever have believed that the Sharks would take Detroit to 7
>games and win, or lead Toronto 3-2.
Anyone who had never seen them prior to last night. They are not a
fluke but a team that has come into it's own. Speed to burn with
mistakes from lack of experience and perhaps less than top goal tending
the drawbacks.
How they play against the more physical east is a question but vv is
too.
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| 11.823 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 18:07 | 24 |
| re: .822
> Anyone who had never seen them prior to last night
meaning most of the hockey world. they are playing some great hockey,
but Detroit did have 20+ more points than them during the season.
> mistakes from lack of experience
some, but their top players (the 2 Russians) have played in the Olympics
and World Championships which means they have big game experience.
Toronot can't be counted out; they do have the next 2 at home. That did not
help Detroit but maybe Toronto can find a way to win at home.
If Sharks do win that means that the 3 series with the 2-3-2 format were
won by the lower ranked team.
Sharks-Vancouver would revert to a 2-2-1-1-1 format, Vancouver with home
ice. Toronto-Vancouver would be 2-3-2 with Toronto having the choice
of 4 home games or the 3 middle ones.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.824 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Wed May 11 1994 18:14 | 9 |
| TCM,
A lot of the points you make are true, if the teams are close.
The Rangers are by far and away one of the best teams to come along
in a long time -- mostly ex-Oilers to be sure, another team I loathe --
but you're really sandbagging considering the Rangers domination....
fw
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| 11.825 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 21:28 | 12 |
|
'Saw the point is that the Sharks and Red Wings are not that close;
Isles and Pens were not that close.
People who even Tommy might consider objective, the ESPN analysts,
thought that the Pens would be favored to win the Stanley Cup. So
saying that the Rangers are far and away one of the best teams to come
along in a while is pushing it. Yeah they have been playing some very
good hockey and should bet their next opponents, but ...
The Crazy Met
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| 11.826 | Information anyone? | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed May 11 1994 23:22 | 10 |
|
DEVILS vs Rangers starting Sunday at MSG.
I would appreciate it if someone could check if their has ever been to
all-NY series before. Since the 3 NY teams have been in the same
division for a while it is certainly possible it has happened but I
cannot remember it happening.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.827 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Thu May 12 1994 01:01 | 6 |
| re: .803, .816
folks, you're thinking about the wrong Tommy rule. MikeL think you
can clue 'em in.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.828 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 12 1994 09:14 | 4 |
| Didn't see the game, but the Bruins screwed the pooch and stepped out
the door last night....
'Saw
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| 11.829 | OK Craze, give up the ghost | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Thu May 12 1994 10:31 | 18 |
| Awright Craze I'll bail you out.
Maybe you shoulda used smileys cuz it's unexpected from you.
And I gotta tellya, I misread .803. At first glance it looks like
a personal attack but it's not. You used phrases like "being a jerk",
and "consummate role as a jerk". Ya deserve credit Meshugge, you fooled
me, but prolly not Tommy.. Tommy's much sharper than moi and if you
don't believe that, he'll tell you ( Is there where those smileys go?).
And you ought to TM that Toronot, cuz if SJ gits 'em, they truly will
be Toro_not!
About the 'Goons-Rangers. Yea a lot of people picked the Penguins
because of past Cup victories.. but NY is the stronger team.
They're proving it.
MikeL
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| 11.831 | dear mods, please read | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Thu May 12 1994 11:48 | 12 |
|
Moderators,
Please take action on the growing instance of personal attacks in this
notesfile. It is against corporate guidelines and, at least, I am
getting sick of it. It is just this kind of thing that shuts down
conferences and I'd like to keep this one around. Joking around is one
thing, but recently this has not been the case.
Respectfully submitted,
Marc MacGregor
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| 11.832 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 12 1994 11:50 | 1 |
| Okay, boys and girls, stop the personal attacks....
|
| 11.833 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | TCM - World's Greatest Sandbagger | Thu May 12 1994 12:06 | 8 |
|
Despite the regular season record and despite how hot the
Rangers are right now, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see
the Devils make a real series of it. The Rangers can't be
out-finessed but the Devils play that chippy, agressive style
that just might enable them to hang with the Rangers. It
certainly will be a better series than if the Bruins had
advanced.
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| 11.834 | | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Thu May 12 1994 12:10 | 9 |
|
I agree Tommy. I think the Rangers will take it in 5, outside
chance of 6, but I think that style will keep the games close.
The Devil's butt-ugly style will slow the Rangers down a bit.
But the talent-laden "rent a flag" Rangers will win. Major choke
if they don't.
MikeL
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| 11.835 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 12 1994 12:25 | 7 |
| I don't know Tommy. The Bruins did give the Rangers a harder time of
it during the season, that Jersey did.
Not that it means a whole helluva lot, of course, but it's one thing
to take into account....
'Saw
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| 11.836 | Remember 1981 | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Thu May 12 1994 12:28 | 5 |
| Rangers played Islanders in 1981 semis. Islanders won 4 straight. That
year they laid the playiff teams out 1-16. The Rangers beat the Kings
and Blues to reach the semis. They came in as the number 11 or 12 seed.
HTH
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| 11.837 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Thu May 12 1994 13:02 | 8 |
|
Life is too important to be taken seriously!
Chap
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| 11.838 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 12 1994 13:02 | 6 |
| So if I agree with .833 and .834 does that make
Tommy and MikeL sandbaggers??
The Crazy Met
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| 11.839 | | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Thu May 12 1994 13:19 | 9 |
| No Craze,
You support the Rangers and are about as up-front as Ollie North was.
You the sandbagger. I predicted a Ranger Cup from the git go.
You, in contrast, mealy-mouthed a wishy-washy straddle the fence
attitude. For shame!
MikeL
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| 11.840 | it just doesn't matter ... | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 12 1994 13:20 | 4 |
| as long as they keep winning.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.841 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | PoliticallyCorrectScrabble | Thu May 12 1994 13:29 | 4 |
| StRangers in 6. StRangers have the talent to sweep, but Joisey
has more heart.
/Don
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| 11.842 | Devils did it with mirrors | SPIKED::SWEENEY | Tom Sweeney in OGO | Thu May 12 1994 13:32 | 5 |
| Rangers in 5.
Once the debils face a team their own size, they'll go down.
zamboni
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| 11.843 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu May 12 1994 14:18 | 7 |
| �I don't know Tommy. The Bruins did give the Rangers a harder time of
�it during the season, that Jersey did.
Didn't the Nets go 4-1 against the Knicks in the regular season?
TCM, I think you've been away from NY too long. No self respecting New
Yorker would call a team from Jersey a NY team.
|
| 11.844 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 12 1994 14:31 | 12 |
| >
> Didn't the Nets go 4-1 against the Knicks in the regular season?
>
Yeah, big deal. That's basketball.
The Bruins-Jersey series, with one minor exception, followed true to form
with the regular series....
New York sweeps. If they don't, Jersey gets a paltry victory.
'Saw
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| 11.845 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri May 13 1994 12:58 | 10 |
| Got home in time to watch the end of regulation and the OT between
the Sharks and Maple Leafs. The shot by the Sharks at the beginning
of OT beat Potvin and hit the crossbar may have been the Sharks final
chance to win the series. Sharks came back after a 6th game loss to
Detroit - it was by a large margin. Will be fascinating to see how
they respond to losing in OT, especially after that shot that just
missed.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.846 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Fri May 13 1994 13:01 | 8 |
|
Yabbut although they weren't on the cover of SI, there was a really
big write up on the Sharks so I figger it was close enuf for the SI KoD
to take effect lasted night.
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| 11.847 | surfin' with kosher lobster | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Fri May 13 1994 16:30 | 7 |
| Anyone see the shot of the crowd in San Jose after the Leafs
scored goal #2? Nice hand across the arm intercourse you!
Rivals that Houscum Oiler fan tellin' the audience "We're #1"
wif his middle digit.
MikeL
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| 11.848 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Fri May 13 1994 16:32 | 20 |
| > -< surfin' with kosher lobster >-
>
> Anyone see the shot of the crowd in San Jose after the Leafs
> scored goal #2? Nice hand across the arm intercourse you!
> Rivals that Houscum Oiler fan tellin' the audience "We're #1"
> wif his middle digit.
I think it's great they are so pumped up about their team. I can't blame
them.
They've managed, in a couple of years to make the playoffs, and there's
not a person in the Hartford area who follows hockey that doesn't wish that
the crowds at the Civic Center were half as pumped.
Of course, if they'd ever get rid of the yuppie scum that sits down
front, it'd be much more rowdy and better....
'saw
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| 11.849 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri May 13 1994 16:45 | 2 |
| Speaking of hockey and the Whalers, rumor has it their AHL team will
move from Springfield to Worcester.
|
| 11.850 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Home of the driveby noter... | Fri May 13 1994 16:46 | 2 |
| I thought it was a done deal...
|
| 11.851 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri May 13 1994 16:48 | 2 |
| Walt, that's the rumor. I don't get the weekday paper, so I can't
either confirm, nor deny.
|
| 11.852 | :^) | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri May 13 1994 16:59 | 3 |
| Wait a couple of weeks, it'll show up on the T&G.
Mark.
|
| 11.853 | Mac's reading that Pony Express again | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Fri May 13 1994 17:01 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.854 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri May 13 1994 17:02 | 2 |
| AHL hockey, arena football, Gilrein's, we're talking Paris of the
nineties here folks...
|
| 11.855 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | You gotta put down the duckie... | Fri May 13 1994 17:22 | 4 |
| | AHL hockey, arena football, Gilrein's, we're talking Paris of the
| nineties here folks...
yea, not to mention Rugby...
|
| 11.856 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Sun May 15 1994 00:04 | 5 |
| That OT shot that hit the crossbar was the Sharks last great chance.
Maple Leafs won 4-1 tonight to win the series 4-3.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.857 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Brillant, Charming and Nasty | Mon May 16 1994 09:26 | 4 |
|
DEBILS 4 rangers 3 in 2 ot....Somebody get TCM a box of Depends.........
;^)
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| 11.858 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Mon May 16 1994 10:05 | 14 |
| The Maple Leafs game was excellent.
I really couldn't root for anyone, because I thought the Sharks had done
a helluva job to get there, but I'd like to see Wendell Clarke get a
ring, and personally, I think that Doug Gilmour is the best Center in the
game -- Gretzky and Mario couldn't carry his jock on their best days....
Still, it was an excellent game.
And mark my words -- Irbe is going to be a force to be reckoned with in
the future....
'Saw
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| 11.859 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon May 16 1994 10:30 | 1 |
| Richer does it again
|
| 11.860 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Mon May 16 1994 10:31 | 5 |
| > Richer does it again
I wonder if Richter tried a Casey-like feeble poke-check attempt....8^)
|
| 11.861 | Richer>Richter | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Mon May 16 1994 12:01 | 1 |
| Richter was just as helpless as Casey.
|
| 11.862 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Mon May 16 1994 12:29 | 10 |
| >
> Richter was just as helpless as Casey.
>
No one is a helpless as Casey when it comes to a breakaway.
Was it a breakaway goal?
|
| 11.863 | A breakaway sortof | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Mon May 16 1994 12:32 | 3 |
| Richer skated past Adam Graves and came in from about 25 feet. Not a
true breakaway but one-on-one. Both teams missed numerous chances.
Two minutes earlier Kovalev hit the post on a breakaway.
|
| 11.864 | Heard this on the radio today | PTOVAX::SCHRAMM | | Mon May 16 1994 13:07 | 3 |
|
The Devils vs the Rangers.... kind of makes you root for a national
disaster instead. 8^)
|
| 11.865 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Home of the driveby noter... | Mon May 16 1994 18:26 | 2 |
| Richter got a piece of it. It deflected off his stick into the net.
|
| 11.866 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed May 18 1994 02:04 | 16 |
| Depending on point of view I either had the fortune or misfortune of
missing Sunday's game; I did see the latter half of tonights game.
Rangers won 4-0 to tie the series.
In the first 7 games of the playoffs the Rangers showed a real killer
instinct. When they had a team down by a goal or 2 they kept up the
pressure and put them away with another goal. In the next 3 games, of
which they won one, the killer instinct seemed to be missing. Rangers
played a great defensive game tonight and turned it up in the 3rd to
put the game out of reach. If they can keep this up they will do just
fine.
On to NJ for game 3 on Thursday night.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.867 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed May 18 1994 02:05 | 6 |
| one footnote to Sunday's game. It was the first game this season that
the Rangers led going into the 3rd and lost. They either won or tied
all other games they had a lead going into the 3rd period.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.868 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 00:14 | 5 |
| Canucks win game 2 4-3. Series tied at 1. Next 3 games are in
Vancouver.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.869 | Good call, but POOR call 'in context'.... | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 19 1994 09:51 | 16 |
| >
> Canucks win game 2 4-3. Series tied at 1. Next 3 games are in
> Vancouver.
Compared to what he let go most of the 3rd, and figuring that every goal
in the game was scored on the power play, that fat shit Koharski had
to know that he was giving the game away by calling that penalty.
What a blow job call -- but what can you expect from Koharski.
Darren Pang and Tom Mees are getting on my nerves too. I have to fire
off a letter to those bozos letting them know what a scrum really is...
'Saw
|
| 11.870 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 12:16 | 6 |
|
what was the call? I saw one call on the bear hug pull down that seemed
legit.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.871 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Thu May 19 1994 12:22 | 20 |
| >what was the call? I saw one call on the bear hug pull down that seemed
>legit.
That was the call.
It wasn't so much that that call wasn't legit, as it was that he had
just let about 15 other just as legit calls go. I couldn't understand
him making the call because at that point the Canuck had already passed
the puck and it didn't appear there was any real threat on the Leaf's
goal.
In light of the context, it seemed extremely arbitrary (and a typical
Koharski call IMO) and definitely determined the outcome of the game.
That Meese and Pang immediately started smooching Koharski's pudgy peepee
was pretty poor too....
'Saw
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| 11.872 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Fri May 20 1994 09:53 | 8 |
| Who did Pat Burns coach before Leafs and the Habs?
I know he had the Habs and left because of a lot of "Montreal" reasons.
Where was he before?
'Saw
|
| 11.873 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Let me see shake yo tailfeather... | Fri May 20 1994 10:47 | 2 |
| Wasn't he a Cop? Then in the Montreal farm system?
|
| 11.874 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Fri May 20 1994 10:50 | 7 |
| >
> Wasn't he a Cop? Then in the Montreal farm system?
>
No, I know he coached someone before he went to the Habs, because it
was a big deal when he went to them, I think.....
|
| 11.875 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri May 20 1994 12:57 | 3 |
| Nope. Habs were first.
Mark.
|
| 11.876 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Fri May 20 1994 14:37 | 9 |
| >
> Nope. Habs were first.
>
Okay, I stand corrected.
I thought for sure that he had another one under his belt....
'Saw
|
| 11.877 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri May 20 1994 14:58 | 1 |
| The Whalers fired their coach.
|
| 11.878 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Let me see shake yo tailfeather... | Fri May 20 1994 15:17 | 2 |
| So did the Flyers...
|
| 11.879 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Fri May 20 1994 15:28 | 8 |
| Rumor around here has it that he was the fall guy in the whole
player incident in Buffalo fiasco.
He wasn't a great coach, so that could have something to do with it to,
but he certainly couldn't control the players.....
'Saw
|
| 11.880 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Sun May 22 1994 23:44 | 4 |
| Vancouver leads 3-1 in games, win game 4 2-0 (1 empty netter).
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.881 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Tue May 24 1994 10:12 | 23 |
| I think this is going to be one of those "odd in-between" years in the
NHL.
It's quite likely now that the Rangers have pretty much pulled off the
Sports Choke of the Century (if not of all time), it'll probably be
Vancouver and New Jersey -- not the matchup the NHL would like I'm sure.
I did took a cursory glance at the list of champs and it seems that every
few years or so a couple of non-regulars make it to the finals, or
maybe one non-regular knocks off a team that's got a few Cups under their
belt.
The last one that comes to mind is Calgary knocking off Montreal, although
last year, if LA had done that it would have been a similar situation.
This year, you'll quite likely have one team that's never been there
and one team that hasn't been there in 15 years or so....
Odd, and interesting at the same time....
'Saw
|
| 11.882 | How's Richer's jaw? | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Tue May 24 1994 10:22 | 7 |
| Don't count out the Rangers yet 'Saw. They are capable of turning
this around. Just look at their total domination in Game 2.
Ended up 3-0 and easily could have been 6-0. But Joisey does have the
mo' if that means anything in this battle across the Hudson.
MikeL
|
| 11.883 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Tue May 24 1994 10:27 | 22 |
| >
> Don't count out the Rangers yet 'Saw. They are capable of turning
> this around. Just look at their total domination in Game 2.
> Ended up 3-0 and easily could have been 6-0. But Joisey does have the
> mo' if that means anything in this battle across the Hudson.
>
Gag, gag, gag....
The Rangers have tried everything in the last 50 years to win the Cup.
This year they tried buying, trading, and wheeling and dealing.
Doesn't seem to have worked.....
We're on the verge of the biggest choke of this century....
'Saw
|
| 11.884 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | TCM - World's Greatest Sandbagger | Tue May 24 1994 10:29 | 14 |
|
"Sports Choke Of The Century"? I guess it's this month's
'Choke of the Century' whereas Bob McCullough not winning the
Boston Marathon was April's and Dean-o losing to BC was March's.
Truth be told, the Rangers-Devils matchup reminds me of that
old boxing maxim, "styles make the fight". If Craze hadn't
posted that note telling us (what we already knew but knew
didn't matter) that the Islanders were one of two teams that
have come back from a 3-0 series deficit when the Islanders
had scored but a single goal to that point, he would have gotten
a lot more slack but that remark was the clincher. It really was
beyond ridiculous. Still, I'll be rooting for New Jersey. Not
just to be anti-NY but because they play the type of hockey that
used to be associated with the big bad Bruins.
|
| 11.885 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Tue May 24 1994 10:44 | 4 |
| The Rangers loss would be a big choke, but as a die hard Red Sox
fan, I still think a two-run lead, two outs and no one on in what
potentially is the last inning to win a World Series, and then blow it,
is a bigger choke.
|
| 11.886 | None bigger than that, babe... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 24 1994 10:46 | 11 |
|
> The Rangers loss would be a big choke, but as a die hard Red Sox
> fan, I still think a two-run lead, two outs and no one on in what
> potentially is the last inning to win a World Series, and then blow it,
> is a bigger choke.
Of course it is! As Red Sox fans we take pride in our ability to stand
up and tell it like it is...
glenn
|
| 11.887 | | CAMONE::WAY | Un-filtered Camels, Raw Beef, Coffee | Tue May 24 1994 11:03 | 6 |
| Jeez, a guy can't engage in a little hyperbole without everyone taking
him literally.
Boy!
'Saw
|
| 11.888 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Tue May 24 1994 11:26 | 16 |
| 'Saw
First, agreed that a Rangers loss would be a choke.
On the other hand, Detroit losing to San Jose this year,
Pens losing to the Islanders last year,
Bruins losing to the Canadians in 1971,
all qualify as greater upsets. forget about all the hyperbole running
around here for the last 2 months for one moment. Rangers beat the DEVILS
by 6-7 points over the season and they were 6-0 against them (then
again we all know what regular season records mean). But in the 3
cases above the teams that lost were 20-30 points better over the season.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.889 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | 10+40+60=ByeBye | Tue May 24 1994 11:48 | 5 |
| Using the above CCF (Craze Choke Formula) the Red Sox collapse
against the Mets is not that bad a choke since the Mets won more
games than them that year.
/Don
|
| 11.890 | didn't hear any chants of MCMXL last night? | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Tue May 24 1994 12:10 | 7 |
| HAHAHAHA Crazy Choke Formula.. TM that Slash!!
71 Broons certainly did choke as will the rangers(small 'r' till/if
they win Cup) if they don't win.
MikeL
|
| 11.891 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Tue May 24 1994 12:34 | 10 |
|
/er that the Red Sox lost the WS to the Mets was not a choke, Mets
were favored and Mets should have won it.
The Red Sox choke in 1986 basically involved one game, game 6. I don't
care what the relative records are in that situation, up by 2, 2 out,
no one on base, and losing is a choke.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.892 | remember what bruce said??? | SALEM::STIG | Big Sister HILLARY is Watching You!! | Tue May 24 1994 14:02 | 3 |
| but bruce hurst said it wasn't a choke..on national tv and all...
stig
|
| 11.893 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Wed May 25 1994 00:50 | 5 |
| Maple Leafs are once again tempting the fates. They had a 3-0 lead.
It is now 3-3 after regulation, going to OT.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.894 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Wed May 25 1994 02:24 | 5 |
| Canucks win 4-3 in double OT, win series 4-1. They play winner of
Rangers/DEVILS for the Stanley Cup.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.895 | besides the choke job | AD::HEATH | This is it.. the end of the curse. Sox '94 champs | Wed May 25 1994 08:04 | 7 |
|
What a waste. I hit the rack after the first with the Canucks down
3-0. What happened?
Jerry
|
| 11.896 | | CAMONE::WAY | Bleaume | Wed May 25 1994 10:10 | 12 |
| It saddens me to hear of the Leafs defeat. I had hoped the Wendell
Clarke would get a shot at Lord Stanley's Cup.
Look for the Rangers to lose and we'll see a Canucks-Devils cup final.
Question -- for the Sunday game, and the finals would start on Sunday,
how is ESPN going to do it? Are the really going to put the FINALS
on the Deuce? That would suck major league.....
'Saw
|
| 11.897 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Wed May 25 1994 12:23 | 12 |
|
Stanley Cup finals are starting on Tuesday. So Tuesday,Thursday,Saturday,
Monday,Wednesday,Friday, and then I believe a game 7 would be Saturday
or Monday.
re: last nights game.
Canucks scored 3 very quick goals to tie it up. By the time I started
watching it was 3-3 going to the 3rd.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.898 | | CAMONE::WAY | Bleaume | Wed May 25 1994 12:28 | 10 |
| >Stanley Cup finals are starting on Tuesday. So Tuesday,Thursday,Saturday,
>Monday,Wednesday,Friday, and then I believe a game 7 would be Saturday
>or Monday.
Thanks TCM -- I was wondering what it would be.... I guess my point
about Sunday's in 5.* are moot...
'Saw
|
| 11.900 | | MKFSA::LONG | Dancin' INSIDE the fire | Fri Jun 03 1994 10:15 | 6 |
| >> B's let Casey go search for greener pastures...
'Saw is going to need some serious consoling today!
billl
|
| 11.901 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | You gotta put down the duckie... | Fri Jun 03 1994 10:17 | 3 |
| | B's let Casey go search for greener pastures...
Really? I heard that about John Blue, not Casey.
|
| 11.902 | | CAMONE::WAY | Alas poor baldric | Fri Jun 03 1994 10:17 | 26 |
| >
> B's let Casey go search for greener pastures...
>
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
I wish I was working at home today, because if I was I'd nude up,
grease my body up with butter, run outside and dance before the
Sun God......
I'm so psyched. Casey sucked SO bad I was worried they'd actually
keep him.....
Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus!
'Saw
PS Now we just have to find a good goalie....
|
| 11.904 | For those who know "Stand By Me".... | CAMONE::WAY | Alas poor baldric | Fri Jun 03 1994 12:22 | 12 |
| > The radio (AAF) said Jon Casey was let go... now that's the same
> station that said that the Rangers beat the DEVILS lasted night, so...
Oh please let it be true, oh please, oh please.
I swear I won't hawk no more dirty magazines.....
'Saw
|
| 11.905 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | TCM - World's Greatest Sandbagger | Fri Jun 03 1994 12:28 | 5 |
|
The way I heard it is that it's just a play by Harry to get
Casey on the cheap. If no one signs him and his 1 million+
contract then Harry can tender him a cheaper offer. He could
very well be in a Bruins uniform again next season.
|
| 11.906 | -1 Bingo! It's harry's style | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Fri Jun 03 1994 12:29 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.907 | | CAMONE::WAY | Alas poor baldric | Fri Jun 03 1994 12:38 | 4 |
| How much does THAT suck?
8^)
|
| 11.908 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Fri Jun 03 1994 13:04 | 7 |
| Actually, a brilliant move by Harry. Signs Casey for a song, platoons
Casey with the rookie from Lake Superior State, groom the rookie as his
playoff goalie.
What's the problem?
Mark.
|
| 11.909 | Seen this type of move all too often | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Fri Jun 03 1994 13:12 | 17 |
| I have no problem with this particular move Mark. It makes perfect
bidness and hokey sense. I don't think it's brilliant either; pretty
basic.
But this move is endemic of the organization. Never mind getting and
paying for talent, get anything that will fill seats for the least
possible price. Good bidness for the Jacobs short-term, not for
long-term. Season tickets(after the early Shawmut Center euphoria)
will decrease, *if* this facade of a Cup-driven (as opposed to pure
short-term, $ driven company) ruse is foisted on its customers..
But these are Broon fans (witness Slash, 8^), they'll continue
to suffer mediocrity willingly...
MikeL
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| 11.910 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Like A Moth To A Flame | Fri Jun 03 1994 13:39 | 8 |
| � But these are Broon fans (witness Slash, 8^), they'll continue
� to suffer mediocrity willingly...
As long as there's beer, bimbos and fights (on the ice) you're
absolutely right. But if one of the above goes, so do I. Course if the
Broons� played in New Yawk we would be called long-suffering *loyal* fans.
/Don
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| 11.911 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Yankees are an embarassment-GeorgeK | Fri Jun 03 1994 15:14 | 5 |
| re -1
Any doubt that /er is a mains main now?
brews
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| 11.912 | ??? | MSE1::FRANCUS | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Sun Jun 05 1994 19:02 | 20 |
|
An informational question:
I have never made secret my opinion of the Boston media - sports
and otherwise. That is why over the last few weeks I have been
rather surprised
that the Boston media has been gentle in their treatment of the Rangers
and even hear some of the broadcasters and writers hoping that the
Rangers finally win it.
I know that Ed Harding of channel 5 has, or at least had, close ties
with the Celtics. Does he also have very close ties to the Bruins or
any other reason to have something against the Rangers? Just curious
since he is the only one who seems to be disappointed when the Rangers
win a playoff game.
The Crazy Met
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| 11.913 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Like A Moth To A Flame | Mon Jun 06 1994 09:11 | 8 |
| The Boston hokey media like all hokey media is following the
Bettman lead and repeating the mantra "The Rangers winning the Cup
is good for hockey..." Heck I was subjected to it watching the local
sports talk show following the Sox game yesterday. I never liked Harding,
but have newfound respect for his anti-establishment stance regarding
the StRangers.
/Don
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| 11.914 | Get a life, TCM! | KALI::MORGAN | | Mon Jun 06 1994 09:12 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.915 | | METSNY::francus | Rangers,Knicks,Mets in '94 | Mon Jun 06 1994 11:41 | 6 |
| re: .914
is that the best you can come up with when your teams are all out of it??
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.916 | Back to the Garden | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Hazelwood Sips ! | Sun Jun 12 1994 10:02 | 8 |
|
We're going to Game 7 fans !
Canucks 4, Rangers 1 - ouch !
Go 'Nucks !
- acp
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| 11.917 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Wed Jun 15 1994 01:00 | 9 |
| re: .916
not this year. Rangers win 3-2.
anyone know the internet address for wcvb?? Just wanted to send
a "love letter" to Ed Harding.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.918 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Wed Jun 15 1994 01:49 | 4 |
| never mind it is [email protected]
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.919 | And Sharks in '95 | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:10 | 10 |
| of all people mike barnicle of glob talks hockey today and of all
things I couldn't agree more.
nhl had a tremendous championship round and final round showed
passing,skating, hitting, good goaltending, fierce play in the corners
(but combined with team play in the red zone); stars, personalities,
hexes, counter-hexes...
congratulations to nhl for winning over a long ago fan like myself and
mr barnicle (who I am no great fan of).
|
| 11.920 | | METSNY::francus | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:32 | 22 |
|
ESPN got a 5.2 rating for game 7 making it the highest rated
sporting event ever on cable; this does not include the NY area which
had ESPN blacked out and had the game on MSG. MSG got a 16.2 rating
for the game beating out all other programming (networks included), and
MSG is only on cable so does not even reach all households. Combining
the ratings of ESPN and MSG the total ratings for this game was 6.9 which
blows away the 5.0 rating (previous high for sports on cable) that ESPN
got for game 7 of the 1987 series between Philadelphia and Edmonton.
Last time the NHL had the visibility to really build their recognition
might have been 1980 when the Olympic team won the gold. It will
be very interesting to see how they try and capitalize on this.
fwiw ESPN rating in Boston also beat the network program which is unusual
since Boston generally has very low TV ratings for games with non-local
teams (I guess there really are that many NY haters :-)
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.921 | | CAMONE::WAY | Farewell #11 | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:40 | 29 |
| One thing I did not like was some of the director's choices in camera
coverage.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I found that there were far too
many shots like this:
Puck goes in corner, Player comes into corner, gets hit
while kicking puck back to point.
ESPN would continually, and predictably and invariable cut to the
corner camera for a close up of the guy getting grabbed. Meantime,
before the shot was ever fully visually established, the puck was back
at the point, sometimes being shot or being passed.
While on the whole I enjoyed the coverage, there were a lot of times
where I didn't enjoy the camera angles.
Personally, I prefer the approach that I've seen on NESN and SC.
The corner cameras are used almost exclusively for reply footage, or when
it is pretty sure the puck is going to stay in the corner. I don't know
who directs the broadcasts for those local (Whalers, Bruins) telecasts,
but I think that ESPN should have hired some of them.
That's just MHO though....
'Saw
|
| 11.922 | | METSNY::francus | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:43 | 7 |
| One of the problems with marketing hockey is that it is very tough to
show the game on TV. Stuff like the goalie cam really helps but covering
action in the corners is very tough. If it becomes worth it I suspect that
the TV folks will find ways to solve that problem.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.923 | | CAMONE::WAY | Farewell #11 | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:58 | 16 |
| NESN and SC seemed to do an okay job.
They'd use a zoom from one of the center ice cameras, and if it looked like
the puck would be tied up for a while, then they'd do a close up, but
seemed to get back VERY quickly once the puck was out.
It seemed the director would anticipate better than the ESPN director.
Personally, I found that the longer shots gave a better picture of the
flow.
Goalie-Cam was f-ing awesome!
'Saw
|
| 11.924 | If it's compelling, I'll watch... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:03 | 18 |
|
> fwiw ESPN rating in Boston also beat the network program which is unusual
> since Boston generally has very low TV ratings for games with non-local
> teams (I guess there really are that many NY haters :-)
Like I said before, it's a testament to good taste. Put something good
on (outside of the local teams), and Bostonians will watch. Put crap
on like the Denver Broncos versus the Seattle Seahawks, and they'll
find something better to do (the same holds in NYC, which is usually
right down there with Boston in these national TV ratings). No shame
in that; it's called having a life. Boston's ratings for the Rangers'
games especially have been very high throughout the playoffs, even
early on when the Bruins were still alive (now watch TCM try to weasel
out of this one-- no, the interest in the Rangers wasn't just due to
NY transplants ;-).
glenn
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| 11.925 | | METSNY::francus | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:13 | 4 |
| nah I'm in much too good a mood to get into a SDUC.
The Crazy Met (who is down to cloud 7 or 8)
|
| 11.926 | | METSNY::francus | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:16 | 13 |
| actually it would be fascinating to see the TV ratings for national
telecasts with non-local teams playing for these cities:
New York
Boston
Chicago
LA
Philadelphia
Detroit
SF
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.927 | | METSNY::francus | NY Rangers 1994 Stanley Cup Champions | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:21 | 27 |
| Just had to repost this from the usenet.
From: [email protected] (Lydia Mancini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: First Russians ever to hoist the Cup???
Date: 15 Jun 1994 16:16:53 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Lines: 22
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: marge.cs.mcgill.ca
[email protected] (HANNU L A HIETANEN, 931-2407 306) writes:
> According to some Finnish TV commentators Kovalev, Zubov and
> Nemchinov were the first Russians ever to hoist the Stanley Cup.
> Is it really so?
Several sports telecasts here confirmed the same thing.
So now we have Russian, Swede and Finn names on the Cup.
Don Cherry must be so happy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[rest deleted]
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| 11.928 | | FRETZ::HEISER | ugadanodawonumadja | Thu Jun 16 1994 14:14 | 5 |
| One thing that is making the NHL more popular too is the obvious
appearance of athletes that actually love the game. People appreciate
athletes with the "when it was a game" mentality. I lost interest in
MLB after the first strike. Another strike this year will be deadly
for MLB.
|
| 11.929 | but not the rrest of the story.... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:47 | 16 |
|
Yabbut in da nooze around the world.....
Longtime New York Islander Lorne Henning was named the head coach.
This knocks Mike Millbury out of one more chance.
In other nooze, thisted weeks' SI had a pretty long article on hokey
being hot and basketball being not.
hth
I remain,
reportitng for your enjoyment!
Kev
|
| 11.931 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Fri Jul 01 1994 09:00 | 10 |
|
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Party at Saw's house!!!!!!
Chap
|
| 11.932 | what 'Sawmain will have is .. | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Jul 01 1994 09:49 | 6 |
| re: .931
Party?? you mean an all out blowout.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.933 | 'Saw's got a thing for goalies... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | Vamos Argentina Todavia, - Maradona | Fri Jul 01 1994 10:46 | 8 |
|
> Party?? you mean an all out blowout.
With Tony Meola as the guest of honor...
glenn
|
| 11.934 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pop quiz... | Tue Jul 05 1994 10:22 | 4 |
| Since I'm moving at the end of the month, everybody come down to the
Sawmill.
We'll get toasted and burn the place to the ground.........
|
| 11.935 | huh? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Tue Jul 05 1994 10:32 | 8 |
|
Yabbut what does -.1 have to do with Hokey???????
I remain,
seriously inquiring if'n ya need help w/the move?
Kev
|
| 11.936 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pop quiz... | Tue Jul 05 1994 11:17 | 15 |
| >
> Yabbut what does -.1 have to do with Hokey???????
>
It'll be the party for Casey going back where he belongs....
> seriously inquiring if'n ya need help w/the move?
Thanks for the offer but right now I'm all set. I'll let yunze know though....
'Saw
|
| 11.937 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | | Tue Jul 05 1994 16:17 | 12 |
|
Yabbut any word yet on who gets the Ass't. GM slot with Da Broons?
I thunk I heard that maybe Eddie Westphal, ex-Islander face-off hero,
was being considered, as was Millbury and some other guy.
Slasher?????????
I remain,
wishin Hawk and Dickstah and -dan'l were here today
Kev
|
| 11.938 | HTH | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Tue Jul 05 1994 16:19 | 8 |
|
I hear Mike O'Connell is the # 1 candidate?
Chap
|
| 11.939 | whay rubbish | AD::HEATH | It'll be Oct soon and Butch will be gone | Wed Jul 06 1994 08:21 | 6 |
|
Yup it is offical. Mike O'Connell was named asst GM yesterday. Harry
said the puppet he was looking for was in the Orginization all along.
Jerry
|
| 11.940 | | PTOS02::JACOBR | Follically Challenged!! | Thu Sep 22 1994 16:38 | 5 |
| Gary Bettman, Comish NHL, jsut announced that if there is no agreement
between the owners and players, the season will be put on hold.
JaKe
|
| 11.941 | Hockey on Hold? | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Antelope Freeway, One Mile | Thu Sep 29 1994 10:13 | 16 |
| Hard to believe, but it appears that the NHL is going to put the season
on hold. From what I can gather in the papers here in Atlanta, unless
something radical takes place in the next two days, the season will be
put on hold (lock out?).
I find it hard to believe that the NHL really wants to do this.
Besides football, their is really nothing else out there for casual sports
fan to spend money on (except for food, clothing, mortgage, etc.).
Seem to be that the NHL would have been in a great position to capture
some of the discretionary sports money freed up by the baseball strike.
But hey, I guess its par for the course for professionsl sports.
UMDan
|
| 11.942 | | CAMONE::WAY | Models caskets for D'Esopo's | Thu Sep 29 1994 10:19 | 8 |
| Someone made the remark the other night that they cannot believe that the
NHL would let someone who knows nothing about hockey (Bettman) mess up
the show.
Seems to me to be a case of where the owners want the world....
'Saw
|
| 11.943 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Thu Sep 29 1994 12:48 | 6 |
|
If you saw Chris Chelios being interviewed about Bettman and
the impending lockout then you have to think that if Bettman and
his family are found hacked to pieces that Chelios will be held
in some part responsible. Surely the most bizarre comments that I've
ever heard from an athlete and that's saying something.
|
| 11.944 | Feed him to da fishes | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Thu Sep 29 1994 12:53 | 7 |
|
I know, when he said something needs to be done with that man I
did a double take.
Chap
|
| 11.945 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Sep 29 1994 12:58 | 3 |
| I couldn't believe another sport would be that stupid to strike after
seeing what baseball has done to its faithful. MLB and now the NHL
will be sorry. Fans aren't as forgiving anymore.
|
| 11.946 | The Kids who play for fun/School Spirit | MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Thu Sep 29 1994 13:18 | 9 |
| NBA may not be too far behind, and after the NFL Implamented a cap
maybe they'll change there toon next year and strike as well.... 95
could be a very sad year for sports.
I think I'll try and get more involved in local sports next year, take
my kids to a few High School games (basketball/football, maybe even
baseball).
mab
|
| 11.947 | It's easy to say "it's the money", but something more is wrong | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Thu Sep 29 1994 13:28 | 17 |
|
> I couldn't believe another sport would be that stupid to strike after
> seeing what baseball has done to its faithful. MLB and now the NHL
> will be sorry. Fans aren't as forgiving anymore.
Well, MikeH, that might be the surface reaction of many people, but I
still think that fans are going to have to start asking just why it is
that sports league after sports league can continue to claim, in the
face of immense revenues and public tax perks (New Boston Garden? sure,
we'll take your money, just don't expect a promise that we'll play),
that free market competition for their athletes is wrong. Something's
busted and it isn't just baseball, or hockey. Don't kid yourself. The
NFL went through a prolonged 5-year struggle in the courts and now the
NBA is looking at the same problem, with all the same "solutions"...
glenn
|
| 11.948 | | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Thu Sep 29 1994 14:38 | 9 |
| Heard on the radio at lunch that the players are willing to agree
not to strike for the entire season if the owners agree not to lock
them out. I'm not sure if they would play under the old contract
or something else.
Smart move by the players. It makes the owners take the fall if the
season doesn't start.
Mike
|
| 11.949 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Sep 29 1994 14:53 | 13 |
| For the NHL not to start the season on time would be a monumental mistake.
The NBA starts up in a month from now, baseball's playoff and WS are
cancelled. For a number of reasons the NHL gained a lot of momentum during
last year's Stanley Cup playoffs; they just signed a TV deal with FOX and
ESPN will be able to show playoff games (and a few regular season games) in
all markets - no blackouts in NY because of MSG, in Boston because of NESN,
elsewhere because of SportsChannel. The teams in the South have drawn well.
Then again we keep saying about every sport how can the owners/players (pick
one or both) be so stupid.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.950 | | CAMONE::WAY | Models caskets for D'Esopo's | Thu Sep 29 1994 15:04 | 8 |
| From what I've heard, since day one the players have said they will play
without a contract.
It's definitely a lockout, not a strike and I think you have to look
to Bettman for that.
'Saw
|
| 11.951 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Sep 29 1994 16:10 | 2 |
| High school and even college sports will reap many benefits from all of
these clowns.
|
| 11.952 | Lockout on the way.... | SPIKED::SWEENEY | Tom Sweeney in OGO | Fri Sep 30 1994 09:11 | 14 |
| Well,
The bright owners have voted. Despite the players guarantee
to not strike for this season or the playoffs, the owners are
going to lock them out on Saturday unless an agreement can be
reached beforehand.
Are they cutting their noses off to spite their face or
what? As was noted a few replies ago, the NHL has just been
starting to enjoy an upswing in national popularity. With
baseball out, the NBA on the verge, this is the time for the
NHL to more fully embellish themselves. What idjiots.
zamboni (just wants to ice)
|
| 11.953 | | CAMONE::WAY | Models caskets for D'Esopo's | Fri Sep 30 1994 10:07 | 10 |
| Well, it seems clear to me in this respect, that the onwers are squarely to
BLAM for this now, and at least it's a clear cut picture, unlike baseball.
I know that Richard Gordon, erstwhile Whalers owner, alienated himself from
the common people of central Connecticut, whining about money (he of the
millions and millions). Seems like all the owners now are of the same
ilk.
'Saw
|
| 11.954 | bizarre | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Fri Sep 30 1994 10:49 | 5 |
| At least one owner has said that he would lose less money if they did not
play then if they played.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.955 | | CAMONE::WAY | Models caskets for D'Esopo's | Fri Sep 30 1994 11:39 | 16 |
| >
>At least one owner has said that he would lose less money if they did not
>play then if they played.
>
I guess it probably all comes down to the fact that you can make an
accounting ledger say anything you want it to, with the right interpretation.
I've seen enough financial smoke and mirrors in THIS place to convince
me that a good, although perhaps unscrupulous, accountant could convince
you that a pile of dog turds was really chocolate souffle.....
'Saw
|
| 11.956 | | 24661::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Fri Sep 30 1994 12:58 | 3 |
| The baseball strike didn't really phase me, but this WILL hurt.
Mark.
|
| 11.957 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Fri Sep 30 1994 14:17 | 8 |
| Does anyone know just what the issues are in the Hockey strike?
The players said something about guaranteeing not to strike if the owners
promised something to do with "give backs". Anyone know what that means?
Just what are they fighting about?
George
|
| 11.958 | | 24661::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Fri Sep 30 1994 14:19 | 3 |
| Don't worry, George...it's no big deal.
Mark.
|
| 11.959 | This may sound familiar | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Fri Sep 30 1994 14:41 | 20 |
| George, they're essentially fighting about the same issues that have
stopped baseball. While Bettman has been very careful to avoid the
term "salary cap", the league's position is that salaries are growing
out of control and it's up to the players to help ownership stop it.
The league's offer provided for a tax on payrolls above the league
average, to be distributed to those with payrolls below the league
average. The players' counteroffer proposed a tax on revenues
rather than salaries. In addition, the league cancelled unilaterally
a number of player benefits (meal money, transportation to training
camp, and many more) about 3 or 4 weeks ago.
This information is largely from The Hockey News, and is probably a
week out of date.
Personally, I'm baffled that the league turned down the players'
no-strike offer. I don't normally smell union-busters behind
every bush, but I'm hard put to find another reason for such a
hard line.
Steve
|
| 11.960 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Fri Sep 30 1994 15:11 | 5 |
| Now in baseball they claim that the anti-trust exemption is the reason that
they can't settle this in court. Why can't the players take the hockey owners
to court?
George
|
| 11.961 | NHL season on hold | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Fri Sep 30 1994 16:31 | 11 |
| It official.
Bettman has announced that the season is on hold for two weeks.
His "reasoning" was that this would give them time to see if'n they can
make some progress on the impasse.
The players reaction is that this is just the start of something long and
nasty.
TTom
|
| 11.962 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Sun Oct 02 1994 00:30 | 8 |
| re: .960
The players could take the owners to court IF the owners uni-laterally
imposed a salary cap after declaring an impasse. That is in the NHL
they could; in MLB they cannot because of the anti-trust exemption.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.963 | | CAMONE::WAY | Models caskets for D'Esopo's | Mon Oct 03 1994 10:26 | 12 |
| I was talking with my dad on Friday afternoon. While there's lots of
benefits from his "retirement job" of working in the liquor store, one of them
is that he's on a first name basis with Emile "The Cat" Francis.
I can't remember any direct quotes, but he saw Emile on Friday and he was
saying that Bettman was nuts not to go with the players offer. He said
that was a major "good faith" move.
If I hear anything else I'll let you know.....
'Saw
|
| 11.964 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Oct 07 1994 14:17 | 3 |
|
Any hockey strike predictions? Maybe George is going on vacation
and he and the players will both be back to work in two weeks?
|
| 11.965 | | 57045::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:05 | 5 |
| Sounds like the talks between owners and players may be leading to an
agreement. anyone have more info??
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.966 | we sure need a little action | 25022::BREEN | | Thu Nov 10 1994 16:30 | 1 |
| with the length of the playoffs they should only play 65 games anyway
|
| 11.967 | Beach and Hockey | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | One hand clapping | Thu Nov 10 1994 17:29 | 4 |
| Great. They'll probably extend the season. Stanley Cup in August?
UMDan
|
| 11.1000 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | Dawgs RULE, Pats SIP! | Thu Nov 17 1994 10:39 | 2 |
| 11.1001 | According to Dale Arnold | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Tue Jan 10 1995 12:47 | 5 |
| As of 12:45 Eastern time, an agreement still hasn't been reached and
both parties are still at the table. Evidently free agency is the only
remaining issue to close on.
Mark.
|
| 11.1002 | Juat say no to the NHL! | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Free Whitey Bulger! | Tue Jan 10 1995 12:57 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.1003 | According to WEEI a deal has been reached | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Tue Jan 10 1995 13:30 | 12 |
| The Canadian wire services are reporting that "the framework for a deal
between the players and the owners has been reached" and that
confirmation of settlement should happen this afternoon. The players
had a con-call with union reps at 1:00; the owners is in progress.
Speculation on WEEI is that the rank and file is being informed that a
deal has been reached.
More as it comes.....
Mark.
|
| 11.1004 | | MSBCS::GALVIN | R.T. Galvin, PKO2 223-2625 | Tue Jan 10 1995 13:32 | 1 |
| Press Conference scheduled for 13:30 EST. Anyone listening in???
|
| 11.1005 | 8^( | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Free Whitey Bulger! | Tue Jan 10 1995 14:09 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.1006 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Jan 10 1995 14:29 | 3 |
| deal is coming up in a few minutes. DJ said players caved and lost.
Jimbo
|
| 11.1007 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 10 1995 14:44 | 7 |
|
I guess this makes that creep Gary Bettman the NHL's Man of the Year.
Don't look for the players to happily and aggressively market Mighty
Ducks merchandise in the future, though...
glenn
|
| 11.1008 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Jan 10 1995 15:42 | 11 |
|
Latest I have seen is
ESPN reporting a compromise on free agency with age being phased in.
Players could becomefree agents at 32 in the first two years of deal
then 31 and finally 30 in the last two years of the deal.
Other 11 issues were dealt with. fwiw owners also gave in by not
getting their salary cap or tax.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1009 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Tue Jan 10 1995 15:53 | 3 |
| Ok, so drop the puck!
George
|
| 11.1010 | A confederacy of dunces indeed | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue Jan 10 1995 16:27 | 10 |
|
>> ESPN reporting a compromise on free agency with age being phased in.
>> Players could becomefree agents at 32 in the first two years of deal
>> then 31 and finally 30 in the last two years of the deal.
So basically, the owners consented to free the players to take
the highest bid at the point in their careers where most of them
have the least value. Them owners just give give give 'til it hurts.
|
| 11.1011 | than again, this contract may be renegotiated | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Tue Jan 10 1995 16:46 | 10 |
| this may encourage more to stay in college with the shorter season than
juniors and minors plus some leverage (oops they gave that away too).
I'd guess long term contracts start happening about the age of 28 to
lock some players in. How old is Oates I wonder.
Big question will be total salaries and average salaries vs what they'd
be in the owners best 'cap offer. I'd bet after a few years the
majority of players will see the cap would have been better except for
the stars.
|
| 11.1012 | | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Tue Jan 10 1995 16:56 | 6 |
| Wonder if this action will have any impact on the Baseball talks? If
they (the Hockey owners) couldn't get a cap, do the baseball team
owners think that they can? I mean, were NHL salaries really that out
of control?
UMDan
|
| 11.1013 | Not over yet | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Jan 10 1995 16:57 | 5 |
| Well the owners were deadlocked on the new contract and there is
another con-call scheduled at 6PM.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1014 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Tue Jan 10 1995 17:04 | 3 |
| What TCM just said.
Mark.
|
| 11.1015 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Jan 10 1995 19:57 | 9 |
| Still nothing; owners are split over the free agency thing. Why they
don't do something like the following is beyond me.
1st 2 years: 32 with 4 years in league
2nd 2 years: 31 with 5 years in league
3rd 2 years: 30 with 6 years in league
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1016 | Pretty funny for Harry | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is FIVE!!! | Wed Jan 11 1995 08:28 | 5 |
| Good laugh:
Harry Sinden: "This is our last, last. last offer."
=Bob=
|
| 11.1017 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:23 | 8 |
| Actually wasn't it our:
final,final,final,final offer
No word yet from the players.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1018 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:28 | 14 |
| Reactions I heard last night were rather interesting.....
Lots of folks called in to the local sports talk show (with Arnold Dean
on WTIC-AM in Hartford), and some of them had been strictly pro-owner...
up until yesterday afternoon.
To me at this point, the owners are doing something very stupid. They've
gotten the players to make a bunch of concessions, some of them pretty
big. Now it seems they want blood. This could ultimately backfire in
their faces in the years to come.
'Saw
|
| 11.1019 | How do these guys maintain popularity? | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:36 | 14 |
|
> To me at this point, the owners are doing something very stupid. They've
> gotten the players to make a bunch of concessions, some of them pretty
> big. Now it seems they want blood. This could ultimately backfire in
> their faces in the years to come.
And apparently from the big, rich US teams, the Big Bad Broons are one
of the few who'd just as soon shut it down as give the players even an
inch. I don't understand this, because they've always been successful
both on and off the ice while toeing the financial line under the old
system. Jeremy Jacobs and Company are just absolutely shameless...
glenn
|
| 11.1020 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:46 | 14 |
| Interesting point last night too.....
Apparently, in Canada, it is against the law to use replacement players.
It brings up some pretty intriguing possibilities should MLB decide to
go the replacement player route, and should hockey decide to do that, it'd
be even more interesting....
Personally, I'm running out of favorites sports to watch. Football will
be down in about three weeks, and that means that all that's on is
basketball, which is not a favorite of mine by any means.... Oh well....
'Saw
|
| 11.1021 | Poker game goes on | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:51 | 11 |
| Glenn think about it, Harry did thrive in a voluntary "Cap" environment
and surely thinks his lack of the Cup was only because he was foolishly
outspent by the Edmontons and Penquins.
He'd love a Cap and if he thinks no agreement will see a 'Cap
implementation that would explain his behavior.
Now if a dozen stars could sign contracts with Europe teams to go into
effect for 1995-96 season effective (if not canceled) 15-Jan-95 then
the lockout would be over. That's the kind of poker the NHL owners
would understand and grudginly respect.
|
| 11.1022 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:14 | 10 |
| RE <<< Note 11.1020 by CAMONE::WAY "Conspiring to make a mutiny..." >>>
>Personally, I'm running out of favorites sports to watch. Football will
>be down in about three weeks, and that means that all that's on is
>basketball, which is not a favorite of mine by any means.... Oh well....
Seems it should be about time for an America's Cup. Don't they sail this
winter? Or is that next year?
George
|
| 11.1023 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:30 | 11 |
| > Seems it should be about time for an America's Cup. Don't they sail this
>winter? Or is that next year?
Actually, as I enjoy sailing and the ocean, the America's Cup does hold
interest for me.
It is due in 1995, but I believe it'll be late summer probably, early
fall. I think it'll be in San Diego, if I'm not mistaken.....
'Saw
|
| 11.1024 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:42 | 12 |
| RE <<< Note 11.1023 by CAMONE::WAY "Conspiring to make a mutiny..." >>>
>It is due in 1995, but I believe it'll be late summer probably, early
>fall. I think it'll be in San Diego, if I'm not mistaken.....
The San Diego Yacht club still has the cup so it would make sense that they
would have it there again. In the past they have resisted attempts to have it
moved to Hawaii because of the financial boost to the community.
What will this be for Conner, Stars and Stripes III?
George
|
| 11.1025 | Couldn't disappoint TCM | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:43 | 2 |
|
And this has exactly _what to do with the "National Hockey League"?
|
| 11.1026 | | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Wed Jan 11 1995 12:30 | 5 |
|
Strike over, season to start on Monday.
Kevin
|
| 11.1027 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 12:40 | 16 |
| > Strike over, season to start on Monday.
>
> Kevin
Not quite yet.
They still have the (perhaps mere) formality of having all the players
vote on the offer. They'll probably pass it, but you never know.....
Quick question -- who was the coach of the Rangers last year? Roger Nielson?
I can't for the life of me remember......
'Saw
|
| 11.1028 | Kennan | CNTROL::CHILDS | Theresa's Sound World | Wed Jan 11 1995 12:49 | 0 |
| 11.1029 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Time for Vacation... | Wed Jan 11 1995 12:52 | 9 |
| 'Saw,
Mike Keenan was coach of the Rangers last year. He collected his
million dollar bonus from the Rangers for winning the cup. Then
turned around and became GM of St. Louis, Detroit, or Chicago? The
Rangers filed a grievance and Keenan had to return his million dollar
bonus to the Rangers.
Ron
|
| 11.1030 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Wed Jan 11 1995 13:00 | 4 |
| WEEI reporting the players have accepted. Broons practice at Merrimack
this afternoon.
Mark.
|
| 11.1031 | Damn! | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Free Whitey Bulger! | Wed Jan 11 1995 13:21 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.1032 | Where's Whitey? | MSBCS::GALVIN | R.T. Galvin, PKO2 223-2625 | Wed Jan 11 1995 13:25 | 8 |
|
>>> DZIGN::ROBICHAUD "Free Whitey Bulger!"
Whitey ain't in custody. Somehow 48 hours before the warrant for his
arrest, he mysteriously disappeared.
|
| 11.1033 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 13:58 | 17 |
| Right, Keenan!
Thanks folks. I remember all the controversy now. Had a big blank there
for a long while though...
re Whitey:
|>>> DZIGN::ROBICHAUD "Free Whitey Bulger!"
|
|
| Whitey ain't in custody. Somehow 48 hours before the warrant for his
| arrest, he mysteriously disappeared.
Who's Whitey?
|
| 11.1034 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Time for Vacation... | Wed Jan 11 1995 14:06 | 13 |
|
Whitey Bulger is the brother of the head honcho in the Mass state
senate, Billy Bulger. Whitey is alleged to be one of the biggest
underworld crime figures in Mass. He was just indicted by the
feds, on racketeering, murder, extortion, etc... Some of the crimes
he has suppose to have committed date back to 1965. They have been
trying to indict him FOREVER.
About 5 years ago he won the lottery game Megabucks. It was a big
joke, people thought he had fixed the lottery. They have been looking
for him for a week now. He is most likely in the Caymen islands sipping
Pina Coladas. I'd be very surprised if they find him.
Ron
|
| 11.1035 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Wed Jan 11 1995 14:28 | 3 |
| And the connection to the NHL is?
Mark.
|
| 11.1036 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 14:37 | 19 |
| >
> And the connection to the NHL is?
>
> Mark.
He's backing Harry Sinden?
Haven't heard about that down here....
Anybody got a probable/possible Bruins roster they could post? I've
forgotten just about everyone except for Bourque, Neely, Oates and Reid.
Does Iafrate still play for them?
'Saw
|
| 11.1037 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 11 1995 14:58 | 12 |
| re: .1034
Almost; he was indicted for racketerring, loan sharking and some other
stuff but the biggies of drugs and murder were not in the indictment.
One of his associates won Megabucks a few years back and decided to
give Whitey half of the winnings. The Feds were real upset since Whitey
now had a bona fide source of income.
And this has as much to do with hockey as the Dolphins CHOKE job against
SD this past weekend.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1038 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 11 1995 15:47 | 9 |
| So assuming they play, now what?
Do they come up with a new schedule or do they just chop off the games
that have already passed?
Seems that if they just chop, there won't be an even number of games against
each team in the division and so forth.
George
|
| 11.1039 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | In the shuffing madness | Wed Jan 11 1995 15:50 | 3 |
|
If they start next week as planned , it will be a 48 games season,
with a full playoff schedule. Ending sometime in early July.
|
| 11.1040 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Wed Jan 11 1995 15:51 | 3 |
| Which will put added pressure on teams to win in the regular season.
Mark.
|
| 11.1041 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:01 | 8 |
| Yes. The intensity level will be up there, and the teams will play
roughly a game every other night. I'd look for more injuries problems
if that's the case.
George, I think they've formulated a new schedule, but I won't swear to it.
'Saw
|
| 11.1042 | Hockey and fireworks! | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:09 | 9 |
| Oh boy, Stanley Cup playoffs and 4th of July Fireworks. Maybe the NBA
finals will be going on too! Probably won't have to worry about
baseball though.
One of these days people are going to turn their backs on professional
sports with the owners and players pulling crap like this (no fact,
just a hunch).
UMDan
|
| 11.1043 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Time for Vacation... | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:28 | 20 |
|
They have formulated a new schedule. It will be something like
a baseball schedule. You will only play teams in your conference. So
the travel times will be limited. Ex. Boston will not play the LA
kings, Edmonton, Calagary, San Jose.
The Stanley Cup Finals will be the only time the 2 conferences play
each other. Just like the World Series when the National plays the
American league champ.
Boston will only have to fly North to Quebec, South to Tampa Bay,
and the farthest West will be Pittsburgh. So the teams like the B's
benefit by not having to change time zones. This type of schedule
kills the LA Kings and Mighty Ducks. They do the most travelling
anyways.
For season ticket holder and people buying tickets from people/
scalpers at the Garden. I doubt they will print new tickets. They
will tell you to just use Game #1, Game #2 etc. So if you go to a
game make sure you have the right #. Most of the dates will probably
be wrong on the ticket also.
Ron
|
| 11.1044 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:30 | 7 |
| I think Hockey fans 'cept \er will be resilient, after all when Hockey
expanded its brains out and offered a product little above college back
in the 70s fans hardly noticed (but they lost me).
But hockey will fight scab baseball in April and May for fans and if
they decide to simply let all teams compete for the Cup may put a
serious dent in baseball.
|
| 11.1045 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:31 | 10 |
|
> Which will put added pressure on teams to win in the regular season.
But not too much because 16 teams are still going to the playoffs.
All it means is that some of your usual underachieving regular-season
teams like the Penguins are only going to be able to slack off for
20 games instead of 50...
glenn
|
| 11.1046 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed Jan 11 1995 17:04 | 13 |
| > One of these days people are going to turn their backs on professional
> sports with the owners and players pulling crap like this (no fact,
> just a hunch).
I read an article at the beginning of the decade that projected that
professional team sports would become less important to the average
American as we move through the '90s. The reason given was these sports
would become less important as recreational activities to our society, as
it changes from a manufacturing/industrial society to one that is
service/professionally oriented (the key here being that our current
favorite sports were born/grew during the Industrial Revolution).
That's the quickie summary of what the person believes.
|
| 11.1047 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Theresa's Sound World | Wed Jan 11 1995 17:17 | 5 |
|
so less travel, play your most hated rivals to up the gates, shorter season
and less pay for employees, boy did these owners make out or whaT????
mike
|
| 11.1048 | hockey is not a real sport... | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Wed Jan 11 1995 19:02 | 5 |
| 11.1049 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 11 1995 22:18 | 7 |
| re: .1048
Actually your just upset that Cleveland is not considered a major
league city!
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1050 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Thu Jan 12 1995 07:57 | 13 |
| 11.1051 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Jan 12 1995 09:18 | 5 |
| So now ObnoxiousDawg is looking at the world; haw! For someone whos
mindset never left the slime of Clevescum that is truly precious.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1052 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Thu Jan 12 1995 09:25 | 11 |
| RE <<< Note 11.1048 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "STEELERS, best in the AFC" >>>
> Why not dump the playoff fiasco (reduce the number of teams) and extend the
> regular season?
In one word, money.
Playoffs really rake in the bucks. They almost always sell out and they get
the best ratings on TV.
George
|
| 11.1053 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Thu Jan 12 1995 09:58 | 21 |
| > Playoffs really rake in the bucks. They almost always sell out and they get
>the best ratings on TV.
And last year there were quite a few quality playoff series. Yes, later
in the playoffs when you'd expect it, but also early in the playoffs.
The NHL really, really blew it big time this year. They had an opportunity
to cash in on the popularity of the playoffs last year, and the good
fortune (for the league at least) of the Rangers winning the Cup. If they
had been SMART this year, instead of a bunch of greedy rich guys, they could
have parlayed that into something bigger.
The playoffs in the NHL have so many teams because of $$$. The league
needs that revenue because they don't pull in the big bucks that basketball,
football, and baseball do.....
JMHO,
'Saw
|
| 11.1054 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Thu Jan 12 1995 10:37 | 12 |
| TCM, mebbe if there were more people in Cleveland who could *understand*
the game of hockey, they could eventually field a team locally.
The problem is the game is too cerebral for the Cleveland folks to keep
up.
Cleveland will *always* be a 2nd class sports city until they can field
more than 2 professional sports franchises (Indians intentionally
omitted).
HTH,
Mark.
|
| 11.1055 | | ROCK::HUBER | Most folks call them green onions, but they're really scallions | Thu Jan 12 1995 11:01 | 8 |
|
Hockey too cerebral? Hmmm... odd thought. Now college hockey,
maybe...
BTW, Cleveland does field at least 5 professional sports
franchises (Browns, Indians, Cavs, Lumberjacks, Crunch), FWIW.
Joe
|
| 11.1057 | Hockey has improved in last 5 years | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Thu Jan 12 1995 11:36 | 17 |
| The NHL should have let all teams get into the Stanley cup, something
they've always wanted to do and never had the excuse before.
I think with the speed of hockey it is one of the more cerebral sports
but only in the sense of Larry Bird type intelligence. Perhaps many
get it thru the repetition similar to the complex choreography that
dancers are able to learn (I still cannot master the Hully Gully).
Now that NHL have filled the rosters with the best Europeans and
Americans (and latter have the Hockey acadamies and elite leagues like
with the Mass Catholic teams) hockey has become much more entertaining.
The next step is to get rid of the holding and slashing and put a
premium on talent - maybe this agreement will free the league up to do
that.
billte
|
| 11.1058 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Jan 12 1995 11:37 | 7 |
| You're really in trouble when you put teams like the Crunch and
Lumberjacks in there. What sports do they play, tiddlywinks and
hopscotch?
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1059 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Thu Jan 12 1995 15:28 | 4 |
| 11.1060 | lazy pet, have a clue before you mouth off... | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Thu Jan 12 1995 15:29 | 9 |
| 11.1061 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Thu Jan 12 1995 15:58 | 16 |
|
I agree with 'Saw. Hockey missed a great opportunity because
of this dispute. The Stanley Cup Finals this past year were
much more dramatic than either the Super Bowl or NBA Finals
and with the added story of the Rangers ending years of fut-
ility and the big fat plus of them being from New York, this
year could have been a big step towards narrowing the gap
between the NHL and the Big Three. Too bad they were too busy
fighting over pennies because they let alot of dollars slip
away. And if they really do hope to become on par with the
Big Three, they had better take another cue and move away from
podunk towns like Edmonton, Calgary and such (at least they were
smart enough to avoid Cleveland) and move toward hotter and
bigger US cities. Unfortunately the inability to do that may be
what ultimately limits their growth because the product is
definitely there.
|
| 11.1062 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Thu Jan 12 1995 16:01 | 20 |
| <<< Note 11.1059 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "STEELERS, best in the AFC" >>>
> Gerry Cheevers was convinced that Boston >> Cleveland that he jumped
> from the Bruins to the Cleveland Whalers in the WHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the ass-end of his career.
"Paul Gronowski was so convinced that Cleveland >> Boston that he jumped
from Cleveland to Boston in order to make a living."
Nice try.
It took a $1M+ contract to get Cheevers to go to the minor league
Cleveland entry into the W(uss)HA.
HTH.
Mark.
|
| 11.1063 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Thu Jan 12 1995 16:06 | 12 |
| I'm not so sure that they missed an opportunity.
In most sports there are the die hard fans and the casual fans. For the most
part the die hard fans might make a lot of noise but they'll be back. As for
the casual fans, they probably don't tune in until the 2nd half or early
playoffs anyway. By the time the playoffs start, that bunch will forget that
it was hockey that was on strike.
Baseball did themselves some damage by skipping a World Series but for Hockey
this won't mean much after all the fuss dies down.
George
|
| 11.1064 | | TOOK::HALPIN | Welcome Cleveland Browns, to the Wait-till-nexted-year club. | Thu Jan 12 1995 16:10 | 11 |
|
Was the team really the Cleveland Whalers??????
No wonder Oil Can Boyd thought Munincipal Stadium was built nex to
an ocean!!!! :-)
JimH
|
| 11.1065 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Thu Jan 12 1995 16:18 | 21 |
|
You always forget the 'IMOs', George. I would
have considered myself less than a casual fan
of hockey before last year. I disliked the sport.
But when I couldn't bring myself to watch what
was passing for the NBA last year, I started watch-
ing the regular season and then the Stanley Cup
playoffs and I found myself liking it. I don't
think that I'm completely alone on that score.
I could have seen myself tuning in to catch some
games from the beginning of the season. The NHL
coud have hooked me and folks like me even further
but they blew it. Instead of using the early part
of the season to further convert the 'casual fans'
who the NHL has far too many of and appease the
'hardcore fan' which the NHL has far too few of,
they spent their time pulling each other's hair.
Baseball's on strike, the NBA is as entertaining
as cleaning the oven and the NHL isn't smart enough
to capitalize. They just seem bent on being the poor
relative.
|
| 11.1066 | ;-1 - What he said | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Thu Jan 12 1995 16:30 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.1067 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Thu Jan 12 1995 17:00 | 11 |
| So are you saying that you would have watched hockey but now that they had
their strike you won't watch hockey?
To me that makes no sense. It seems that either you like hockey and you will
watch or you don't like hockey and you won't watch. Why pick your sports
based on the results of their labor negotiations?
In fact, the end of the strike is going to create publicity which should get
people tuning in to see what all the fuss is about.
George
|
| 11.1068 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Thu Jan 12 1995 17:33 | 10 |
| 11.1069 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Jan 12 1995 17:51 | 6 |
| re: Cleveland hockey - precisely ObnoxiouDawg, Cleveland can't even get
a team into the major leagues in that sport; a sad commentary on the
low ranking on the totem pole for Clevescum.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1070 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Thu Jan 12 1995 20:32 | 3 |
| 11.1071 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Thu Jan 12 1995 22:33 | 5 |
| At least mosquitos suck blood because they need it for sustenance;
ObnoxiousDawg must do it just for the fun of it.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1072 | (8^)* | PTOS02::JACOBR | STEELERS-1994 AFC Central Champs | Thu Jan 12 1995 22:42 | 10 |
|
>>At least mosquitos suck blood because they need it for sustenance;
>>ObnoxiousDawg must do it just for the fun of it.
'Spots fans tend to be more like flies than mosquitos in their
selection of "food", ya know, like they tend to choose the piles the
Dawgs leave behind.
JaKe
|
| 11.1073 | WHA memories -- take me back to high school! | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Jan 13 1995 08:36 | 24 |
| The Cleveland team was not the Whalers. I can't remember what their nickname
was, but I remember Cincinnati had the Stingers.
The Whalers were the New England Whalers, and if I'm not mistaken, their
goaltender was a guy named Al Smith.
The first professional hockey game I ever saw was the New England Whalers
versus the Houston Aeros, with the Howe family -- Gordie, Mark and Marty.
WHA teams I remember:
Winnepeg Jets
Edmonton Oilers
New England Whalers
Cincinnati Stingers
Cleveland _________
Houston Aeros
Minnesota Fighting Saints
can't remember any more....
'Saw
|
| 11.1074 | WHA TEAM | BRAT::HEBERT | | Fri Jan 13 1995 09:25 | 4 |
| Cleveland Barons sp?
mh
|
| 11.1075 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Jan 13 1995 09:38 | 8 |
| > Cleveland Barons sp?
>
>
> mh
BINGO. That rings a bell most definitely!
|
| 11.1076 | Did the Barons come over from the WHA??? | TOOK::HALPIN | Welcome Cleveland Browns, to the Wait-till-nexted-year club. | Fri Jan 13 1995 09:42 | 11 |
|
The Cleveland Barons were the short-lived NHL team. Didn't they
merge with the Colorado Rockies and become the N.J. Devils???
I guy I graduated from High Shool with, Mike Fidler, played for
the Barons for a season or two....
JimH
|
| 11.1077 | | ROCK::HUBER | Most folks call them green onions, but they're really scallions | Fri Jan 13 1995 09:43 | 4 |
|
The Barons became the North Stars...
Joe
|
| 11.1078 | Beyond the rancor; what real harm in dumping ho-hum early season? | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Jan 13 1995 09:56 | 19 |
|
I think that the NHL and its players were smart enough to avert the
major damage (in stark contrast to what MLB did to its most cherished
institution, the World Series). They got this thing done when they
absolutely had to: as the NFL season is wrapping up and hockey and
basketball go head-to-head by themselves in that so-called dead period
between the Super Bowl and baseball, the NCAA, NBA, and NHL playoffs.
It's been offered in the past by casual and die-hard fans alike that the
relatively meaningless and overly expensive NHL regular season is about
20 games too long anyway, that the season should be only about 60 games.
To many including myself autumn hockey and basketball are just a rumor.
If you can get past the bad taste left in the mouth by all the
infighting (I understand that many fans can't) and to the substance of
what the fans are left with, it's really not so bad. I don't even like
hockey that much but I'll continue to watch NHL games and playoffs over
the NBA, same as last year.
glenn
|
| 11.1079 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:15 | 13 |
| > The Barons became the North Stars...
>
> Joe
Sort of.
I checked my hockey history file, which I should have done to begin with
and it's noted that the Cleveland Barons moved from Oakland (Golden Seals)
and then merged with the existing Minnesota franchise (which started
in 1968)...
I guess we'll have to try and remember what the WHA Cleveland team was....
|
| 11.1080 | | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:27 | 5 |
| The Barons were merged into the North Stars, an already existing franchise.
The Colorado Rockies did indeed move to New Jersey to become the Devils.
Steve
|
| 11.1081 | Crusaders | IMBETR::DUPREZ | | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:43 | 8 |
|
I'm almost certain the Cleveland WHA franchise was the
Crusaders.
I vaguely remember the logo including a helmet or some
sort of medieval armor.
Roland
|
| 11.1082 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | STEELERS, best in the AFC | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:46 | 4 |
| 11.1083 | | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:49 | 14 |
| > <<< Note 11.1080 by MUNDIS::SSHERMAN "Steve Sherman @MFR" >>>
>
>The Barons were merged into the North Stars, an already existing franchise.
>
>The Colorado Rockies did indeed move to New Jersey to become the Devils.
>
>Steve
And I think the Rockies came from Atlanta where they were the Atlanta
Flames (?) I seem to remember that Atlanta had the goalie from the
US olympic team that took the gold. What was his name, I can't seem
to remember.
Kevin
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| 11.1084 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Jan 13 1995 10:57 | 17 |
| > And I think the Rockies came from Atlanta where they were the Atlanta
> Flames (?) I seem to remember that Atlanta had the goalie from the
> US olympic team that took the gold. What was his name, I can't seem
> to remember.
>
> Kevin
>
No. Atlanta started in Atlanta in 1973 as the Flames, then transferred
to Calgary.
Colorado Rockies spent one year in Kansas City as the Scouts, then
transferred to Colorado as the Rockies from 177-1982, then transferred
to New Jersey.....
'Saw
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| 11.1085 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Time for Vacation... | Fri Jan 13 1995 11:17 | 4 |
|
The '80 Olympic Gold medal hockey goalie was Jim Craig.
Ron
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| 11.1086 | Based on info from RTFM1::HOCKEY | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Fri Jan 13 1995 11:18 | 40 |
| Apparently, we came within a whisker of losing the season. The info
in the ::HOCKEY notesfile suggests that many owners were so resistant
to unrestricted free agency that they voted 14-12 to reject an
agreement that Goodenow and Bettman had concocted, because it allowed
players to become free agents without compensation at the age of 30.
Bettman and Goodenow sat down again, and came up with allowing it at
32 for 2 years, 31 for 2 years, and 30 thereafter, and Bettman just
managed to get that accepted by a majority of owners.
What this says to me, is that Bettman's negotiating hands were tied by
the need to come up with something acceptable to the various factions
among ownership. He could only offer meaningful free agency if it
were tied to a salary cap or a stiff luxury tax, something which
would never be acceptable to the players.
My guess is that the Players' Association could have bought the idea
of a luxury tax, if it hadn't been so punitive (maxing out at 122%, it
would have cost the Blues over 5 mil this season). The resulting CBA
might have been better for both sides than the one the players are now
voting on, but, because it would have included unrestricted free
agency in a player's prime, it probably couldn't have got a majority
of the owners.
Now, the hawks among the clubs (including Boston, BTW) have overplayed
their hand. While the deal does roll back most of the players' gains
of two years ago, it does nothing to help the weaker franchises (e.g.,
Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Quebec, Hartford).
It looks to me like everyone has lost, some more than others. The
weak franchises are still in trouble, the players have less freedom
of movement than their counterparts in all other major sports, the
strong franchises can compete for restricted free agents only with
the uncertainties of compensation (I'm not sure of the details of
that). Both parties have the right to reopen the deal after two
years. Count on it.
But it'll be nice to have them back on the ice again.
Steve
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| 11.1087 | He'll still probably draft weak-kneed defensemen... | PCBUOA::MORGAN | | Fri Jan 13 1995 11:22 | 5 |
| I'm sure Sinden's happier than you know what, with a rookie salary cap
to limit what he has to pay for the Whalers three 1st rounders, plus
his own.
Steve
|
| 11.1088 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Jan 13 1995 12:32 | 6 |
| I'm surprised Bettman hasn't resigned. Basically, the owners left him
out on a limb, then sawed it off behind him. If it were me, I'd have
two words for the owners, and they wouldn't be "Let's Dance"....
'Saw
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| 11.1089 | Hey Steve | MSBCS::GALVIN | R.T. Galvin, PKO2 223-2625 | Fri Jan 13 1995 13:10 | 11 |
| > PCBUOA::MORGAN 5 lines 13-JAN-1995 11:22
> -< He'll still probably draft weak-kneed defensemen... >-
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sure Sinden's happier than you know what, with a rookie salary cap
> to limit what he has to pay for the Whalers three 1st rounders, plus
> his own.
> Steve
Hey, wus that Steve Morgan....one time major contributor to this
conference, now quietly off in RON land?
|
| 11.1090 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Fri Jan 13 1995 13:20 | 6 |
| Steve has moved onward and upward by joining the PC Biz Unit. And yes,
he's as ugly in person as he is with his noting personna.
:^)
Mark.
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| 11.1091 | Another one for Scupper get'gethers | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Fri Jan 13 1995 15:46 | 1 |
|
|
| 11.1092 | What's with the pack of dogs outside the main lobby? | PCBUOA::MORGAN | | Fri Jan 13 1995 16:49 | 11 |
| Hey Mark, I resemble that remark! :-) There's only one person in this
building that would get Lassie hot and that's you!
Ya, it's me Trace. As Mark said I've move onward. The upward part is
an unkown right now though! :-) Actually, I consider myself
priviledged to have been associated with the Noter of the Year, Glenn
Waugaman and now, the walking L.L. Bean catalog himself, Mark Lefebvre.
:-)))
Steve
|
| 11.1093 | | TAOVC::BACKHOST | | Thu Jan 19 1995 23:15 | 4 |
| Do me.
<...>
|
| 11.1094 | B's open up on Sunday | PCBUOA::MORGAN | | Fri Jan 20 1995 09:00 | 4 |
| Hahahaha...I was wondering when we were all gonna hear from you. How's
the rice wine treating you?
Steve
|
| 11.1095 | Fans are back? | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Fri Jan 20 1995 10:00 | 8 |
| Looks like the fans are not abandoning the NHL. Today's paper
reported that scalpers are getting $1,500 per ticket for the Rangers
game tonight (banner raising), and that Tampa Bay is anticipating a
sellout crowd of 27,000+.
Wonder what the attendance will be at the other games?
UMDan
|
| 11.1096 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Fri Jan 20 1995 10:24 | 8 |
| No surprise about the Rangers. First of all they generally sold out when
they were a mediocre team during part of the 1980's (unlike the Knicks
where seats were readily available). Second, raising the banner is something
that Rangers fans have waited a very long time for.
Tampa Bay does surprise me.
The Crazy Met
|
| 11.1097 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Mon Jan 23 1995 09:36 | 17 |
| YES!
Though I was fed up by the lockout (damned owners), and I thought I'd
be luke warm (wonder what the origin of that expression is?) about this
48 game season, I have to come clean.
I was shamelessly watching the Bruins yesterday, like a man with a horse
jones watches his stuff bubblin' in the spoon.
Hat trick for Neely -- Neely is STILL GOD(tm), the twelfth in his career.
Lacher looked good, but only faced 19 shots.
Go Broons! Parade in {July, August}
'Saw
|
| 11.1098 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same... | Wed Jan 25 1995 15:59 | 4 |
| 11.1099 | without that goofy bird on it | AD::HEATH | Pitchers and catchers report when??? | Wed Jan 25 1995 16:34 | 5 |
|
Real men where black.
Jerry
|
| 11.1100 | SNARF | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Jan 27 1995 01:42 | 2 |
| 11.1101 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same... | Tue Jan 31 1995 06:54 | 4 |
| 11.1102 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 08:19 | 7 |
| Does anyone have a list handy of the scoring leaders? Jagr has
got to be close to, if not on, the top of the list. He certainly
is filling the void left by Lemieux.
billl
|
| 11.1105 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Feb 10 1995 09:03 | 7 |
| > Does anyone have a list handy of the scoring leaders? Jagr has
> got to be close to, if not on, the top of the list. He certainly
> is filling the void left by Lemieux.
He's a nancy-boy....
|
| 11.1106 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 11:21 | 6 |
| >>He's a nancy-boy....
I know, but he's one goal scoring, stick-handlin', nancy-boy!
billl
|
| 11.1107 | notice Cammie "the weenie" Neely absent name.... | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 11:25 | 18 |
| Just found this while surfing the net. I think it includes last
night's games...
Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM PP SH GW GT S Pctg
Joe Sakic Quebec 10 5 14 19 13 6 0 1 1 0 36 13.9
Jaromir Jagr Pittsburgh 10 8 10 18 11 4 2 2 4 0 45 17.8
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 11 9 8 17 2- 0 4 1 0 1 45 20.0
Jeremy Roenick Chicago 11 5 12 17 6 8 1 0 0 0 30 16.7
Ron Francis Pittsburgh 10 4 13 17 8 2 0 0 0 0 21 19.0
Bernie Nicholls Chicago 11 7 9 16 10 6 4 1 2 0 22 31.8
Brett Hull St Louis 10 9 5 14 6 8 1 1 3 0 45 20.0
Wendel Clark Quebec 10 8 6 14 7 17 3 0 0 0 33 24.2
Keith Tkachuk Winnipeg 11 7 7 14 2- 57 3 0 0 1 31 22.6
Steve Yzerman Detroit 10 4 10 14 4 10 0 0 0 0 33 12.1
billl
|
| 11.1108 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 11:29 | 4 |
| Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM PP SH GW GT S Pctg
^^^ ^^^
| |
anyone know what these mean? -----------
|
| 11.1109 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Was there life before ESPN? | Fri Feb 10 1995 11:35 | 6 |
| +/-
The net differnce between how many goals are scored when the player is
on the ice for his team and against his team.
PIM
Penalties in minutes
|
| 11.1110 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Feb 10 1995 11:43 | 3 |
| 11.1111 | Hockey heating up; good ol' days are back | AKOCOA::BREEN | That is enough for me and for thee | Fri Feb 10 1995 12:01 | 8 |
| Speaking of Teemu, Salanne was run at last night in the Canucks - Jets
game and had to leave, don't know if he'll miss any games.
Jets were extremely pissed and vow to do the same to Pavel Bure the
next time they meet (if Bure "dresses").
"Dresses" is not a Nancy shot just hockey jargon for play :-) (I know
you'all knew that...)
|
| 11.1112 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Feb 10 1995 12:08 | 4 |
| Cam's got a lot of goals, not many assists.
At least he's no nancy!
|
| 11.1113 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 13:23 | 3 |
| >>At least he's no nancy!
says you
|
| 11.1114 | | CAMONE::WAY | Conspiring to make a mutiny... | Fri Feb 10 1995 13:28 | 8 |
| |>>At least he's no nancy!
|
| says you
Right says me.
No flies on Cam!
|
| 11.1115 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Fri Feb 10 1995 13:33 | 19 |
| more hokey stats...
NHL Goals Against Average Leaders
(Minimum 3 games played)
Player Team GP GA Avg
Chris Osgood Detroit 4 5 1.25
Dominik Hasek Buffalo 7 9 1.27
Ed Belfour Chicago 10 19 1.90
Stephane Fiset Quebec 9 18 2.00
Rick Tabaracci Washington 4 8 2.11
Blaine Lacher Boston 7 16 2.26
Sean Burke Hartford 7 16 2.26
Andy Moog Dallas 6 13 2.36
Patrick Roy Montreal 9 21 2.43
Daren Puppa Tampa Bay 8 20 2.47
|
| 11.1116 | A bit more precision about +/- | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Mon Feb 13 1995 07:09 | 20 |
| A player is credited with a plus point if he is on the ice when his team
scores at even strength or shorthanded or into an empty net.
A player is charged with a minus point if he is on the ice when is team
is scored upon at even strength, with the man advantage, or into an
empty net.
In other words, power play goals for and against do not affect the plus-
minus.
People have been debating the value of the +/- for years. For a while,
maybe 15 or 20 years ago, The Hockey News published the Adjusted +/-,
which in essence was PM[player] / PM[team] * 100. Often enough, this
yielded results that were (gently put) counterintuitive, such as rating
a +2 defenseman on a lousy team higher than (e.g.) Jean Beliveau.
Many of the NHL's statistical methods are at best dubious. See the method
of determining the winning goaler when more than one has played.
Steve
|
| 11.1117 | Sergay hot,hot,hot last night | AKOCOA::BREEN | That is enough for me and for thee | Tue Feb 14 1995 14:50 | 2 |
| I see Fedorov had 4 last night but missed on the ot penalty shot to
make it 5 and the win.
|
| 11.1118 | | CAMONE::WAY | Strokin' my Ito beard | Tue Feb 28 1995 10:40 | 2 |
| Anyone hear any more on the rumor that someone wants to buy the
Nordiques and move them to Denver?
|
| 11.1119 | | MKFSA::LONG | Let your tongue hang out. Stay cool. | Tue Feb 28 1995 11:01 | 4 |
| WOnder if they'd call them the Rockies (again).
billl
|
| 11.1120 | The guys slime so anything goes witness the Lindros deal | AD::HEATH | Pitchers and catchers report when??? | Tue Feb 28 1995 12:32 | 6 |
|
I heard that Abut (owner of the 'Geeks) was meeting with a groups from
both Pheonix and Denver.
Jerry
|
| 11.1121 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Was there life before ESPN? | Tue Feb 28 1995 12:53 | 5 |
| Didn't the owner of some satellite company make an offer for the Nords?
Also Winnipeg is rumored to be wanting to move to Minnesota and
Edmonton is always looking to move. Will the strength of the US dollar
compared to Canada's make it impossible for most Canadian teams to make
money?
|
| 11.1122 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Bustings over, changed again.. | Tue Feb 28 1995 12:54 | 9 |
|
He has a standing offer of 75 million in US dollars for the team,
from some US company. They want to move the team to Denver and build
an arena. I believe this company or person owns the Denver Nuggets
also. Since he wants to build the arena next door to where the Nuggets
play. If the province of Quebec builds him a new stadium, he will not
sell and keep the team.
Ron
|
| 11.1123 | | MKFSA::LONG | Let your tongue hang out. Stay cool. | Mon Mar 06 1995 09:39 | 20 |
|
Here's the top ten as of yesterday...
(Nice to see Oates break into it.)
Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM PP SH GW GT S
Jaromir Jagr Pittsburgh 22 16 17 33 10 14 2 3 6 0 96
Alexei Zhamnov Winnipeg 22 11 19 30 0 8 6 0 1 0 71
Joe Sakic Quebec 20 9 20 29 12 8 0 1 2 0 77
Eric Lindros Philadelphia 20 10 18 28 10 19 3 0 1 1 62
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 21 11 16 27 4- 0 5 1 1 1 87
Ron Francis Pittsburgh 18 5 22 27 14 2 1 0 0 0 39
Bernie Nicholls Chicago 21 12 14 26 8 12 7 1 3 0 43
Keith Tkachuk Winnipeg 22 11 15 26 2- 90 6 0 0 1 59
Adam Oates Boston 21 6 20 26 4 0 2 0 1 0 57
Theoren Fleury Calgary 22 15 10 25 3 40 6 1 2 0 83
|
| 11.1124 | Thanks, Billl | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Mon Mar 06 1995 11:18 | 13 |
| > Bernie Nicholls Chicago 21 12 14 26 8 12 7 1 3 0 43
Good to see Bernie in there. He has always come across as a good guy,
and he has had some real hard times in life. A lot of people wrote
him off, some saying that he was ordinary without Gretzky (demonstrably
nonsense: he was very good without Gretzky, extraordinary with him).
I guess the new building and the full size rink has transformed the
Hawks. It's going to take a while to overcome my aversion for the
franchise, based in part on style and in part on Wirtz, but Bernie's
success will speed the process along.
Steve
|
| 11.1125 | | CAMONE::WAY | Snake and Nape | Mon Mar 06 1995 11:36 | 5 |
| I never liked Chicago, but never disliked them either.
Definitely COOL uniforms...
I wish the NHL would go back to dark at home, white on the road....
|
| 11.1126 | Bernie N. | IMBETR::DUPREZ | | Mon Mar 06 1995 11:42 | 12 |
|
RE: .1124 and Bernie Nicholls being a nice guy
From what I've seen and heard, he's a Picasso with a
stick. And I don't mean when he's got the puck.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a really big liking
for guys who cheap shot a lot with the stick. (Which is
why Claude Lemieux getting hit by Cam Neely last week was
such a pleasure...)
Roland
|
| 11.1127 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Bustings over, changed again.. | Mon Mar 06 1995 11:55 | 11 |
| > Bernie Nicholls Chicago 21 12 14 26
I read over the weekend that Nicholls has had two, four goal games.
So in the other 19 games he has only 4 goals. With the 14 assists it
looks like when he isn't scoring big. He is contributing in other ways.
Other points mentioned in the Globe. I believe Joe Juneau has 1
goal and 10 assists for Washington. Bob Sweeney was 0-0-0 for the
first 15 games with Buffalo this year.
Ron
|
| 11.1128 | A Picasso, not a Rodin | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Mon Mar 06 1995 12:42 | 17 |
| Yeah, Bernie used the stick when he was feeling lazy on defense, which
was most of the time. If the stat was available, I'd guess the bulk of
his penalties would be of the holding/hooking/tripping variety. But I
don't remember ever seeing him use the stick as a weapon.
Re being a nice guy: that rarely has anything to do with a player's style
on the ice. Even after he was traded, the Ranger announcers never stopped
talking about what a nice guy Tony Granato is, but he is no angel on the ice.
In his younger days, Nicholls had something of a temper, and picked up
more than his share of misconducts (the most famous case being the Miracle
on Manchester, when LA came back from 5 goals down to beat the Oilers in
OT--Bernie was in the press box before the end of the 2nd period). But he
has mellowed in recent years, a combination no doubt of inevitable maturing
and perspective resulting from the blows life has dealt him off the ice.
Steve
|
| 11.1129 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | Dean > Bumhiem | Mon Mar 06 1995 13:10 | 3 |
| > Bernie Nicholls Chicago 21 12 14 26
Any guesses on what happened to him in NY ? Couldn't handle the pressure ?
|
| 11.1131 | Channel surf w/Broons - Caps | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Tue Mar 07 1995 10:35 | 3 |
| Anyone know if Quebec/Pitts to be televised tonight?
Mark.
|
| 11.1132 | He led the team in scoring | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Fri Mar 10 1995 08:06 | 14 |
| .1129:
> > Bernie Nicholls Chicago 21 12 14 26
>
> Any guesses on what happened to him in NY ? Couldn't handle the pressure ?
Nicholls played very well for New York. He was only considered unsuccessful
by those writers who expected him to score 70 goals again, despite the Rangers
having neglected to bring Gretzky along with him.
He seems, however, to have his best seasons centering the second line and
filling the net on the power play with blasts from the left wing faceoff
circle.
Steve
|
| 11.1133 | thru 3/12 scoring laaders | MKFSA::LONG | Let your tongue hang out. Stay cool. | Mon Mar 13 1995 09:20 | 15 |
| Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM PP SH GW GT S Pct
Jaromir Jagr Pittsburgh 25 16 20 36 9 14 2 3 6 0 104 15.4
Eric Lindros Philadelphia 23 12 22 34 12 27 3 0 2 1 74 16.2
Joe Sakic Quebec 24 12 22 34 13 10 0 1 4 0 85 14.1
Alexei Zhamnov Winnipeg 24 12 20 32 1 8 6 0 2 0 77 15.6
John Cullen Pittsburgh 25 12 18 30 6 39 2 0 1 0 54 22.2
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 23 12 18 30 2- 0 5 2 1 1 92 13.0
John Leclair Philadelphia 23 13 16 29 11 14 4 0 1 0 69 18.8
Ron Francis Pittsburgh 21 6 23 29 13 6 2 0 0 0 48 12.5
Brett Hull St Louis 22 18 10 28 11 8 5 1 5 0 93 19.4
Theoren Fleury Calgary 25 16 12 28 2 42 7 1 2 0 92 17.4
Bernie Nicholls Chicago 24 13 15 28 4 14 7 1 3 0 51 25.5
Keith Tkachuk Winnipeg 24 12 16 28 1- 94 6 0 0 1 63 19.0
|
| 11.1134 | Went to BU and Harry and Co draft a slug like Hienze | AD::HEATH | Pitchers and catchers report when??? | Mon Mar 13 1995 11:43 | 9 |
|
> Keith Tkachuk Winnipeg 24 12 16 28 1- 94 6 0 0 1 63 19.0
Most underated player in the NHL. With a LW like him the B's could be
contenders. No joke.
Jerry
|
| 11.1135 | goals against leaders thru 3/12 | MKFSA::LONG | Let your tongue hang out. Stay cool. | Mon Mar 13 1995 16:56 | 14 |
| no suprises here...
Player Team GP GA Avg
Jocelyn Thibault Quebec 10 18 1.93
Chris Osgood Detroit 9 16 1.96
Dominik Hasek Buffalo 19 38 1.96
Wade Flaherty San Jose 7 12 2.18
Blaine Lacher Boston 18 35 2.20
Mike Vernon Detroit 15 34 2.26
Sean Burke Hartford 20 45 2.35
Olaf Kolzig Washington 10 21 2.40
Ed Belfour Chicago 20 45 2.40
Rick Tabaracci Washington 8 16 2.42
|
| 11.1136 | From Satchel Sports | MPGS::MCCARTHY | Mike McCarthy SHR3-2/W1 237-2468 | Thu Mar 23 1995 15:41 | 5 |
| The Rangers acquired Pat Verbeek from the Whalers for Glen Featherstone
(nice two handed chop to Claude Lemieux last night), minor leaguer
Michael Stewart, 1995 first round pick and a 1996 fourth round pick.
Mike
|
| 11.1137 | Lindros takes the leads | MKFSA::LONG | movin' on up! | Tue Mar 28 1995 14:31 | 15 |
| Looks like the majority of goal scoring in the NHL is between
just a few teams...
Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM PP SH GW GT S
Eric Lindros Philadelphia 30 19 30 49 19 35 5 0 3 1 95
Jaromir Jagr Pittsburgh 32 23 23 46 15 16 5 3 7 0 129
Alexei Zhamnov Winnipeg 30 16 25 41 5 10 7 0 2 0 91
Joe Sakic Quebec 30 13 28 41 15 10 0 1 4 0 105
Bernie Nicholls Chicago 30 21 19 40 7 20 11 2 5 0 74
Mikael Renberg Philadelphia 30 16 22 38 18 10 6 0 1 0 81
Ron Francis Pittsburgh 28 8 30 38 20 10 2 0 0 0 64
John Leclair Philadelphia 30 18 19 37 18 18 5 0 4 0 91
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 29 13 23 36 4 2 5 2 1 1 115
Theoren Fleury Calgary 32 20 15 35 0 64 8 1 3 0 116
|
| 11.1138 | B's need this one bad | AD::HEATH | Pitchers and catchers report when??? | Tue Mar 28 1995 18:24 | 8 |
|
Eric Lindros Philadelphia 30 19 30 49 19 35 5 0 3 1 95
These will look the same tomorrow to. He will go pointless
Jerry
|
| 11.1140 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Kete, SS-306, On Eternal Patrol | Thu Mar 30 1995 10:37 | 5 |
| Can someone please tell me who else Featherstone played with besides the
Blues and the Rangers?
'Saw
|
| 11.1141 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Money + Boredom = MJ | Thu Mar 30 1995 10:48 | 5 |
|
He played the third pilon that holds up the net for the Bruins.
A.K.A. Mr Cement Skates.
Ron
|
| 11.1142 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Trigger SS-237, On Eternal Patrol | Thu Mar 30 1995 11:02 | 11 |
| > He played the third pilon that holds up the net for the Bruins.
> A.K.A. Mr Cement Skates.
That's what I thought.......
He seems to be doing well in Harfaa though.
Good game for the Bruins the other night....
'Saw
|
| 11.1144 | Hockey players' nicknames | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Mon Apr 03 1995 07:31 | 17 |
| Watched a game between NY Rangers and the Whale (from about a month ago),
and was struck in the intermission and postgame interviews by some patterns
in the nicknames players give each other (as opposed to what the press calls
them. I mean, you don't think his teammates say "Hi, Great" when they run
into Gretzky, do you?).
Between periods 2 and 3, Rosen and Davidson interviewed Massachusetts' own
Brian Noonan, who talked about his role on the power play with Mess, Gravey,
Leetchie, and Zubie (this is tremendously imaginative), briefly replacing
Larms, whose position it normally is. After the game, Adam Graves was on,
and he talked about the excellent effort put out by Noons, and the fine
defensive play of Potsy (Karpovtsev) and Book (Beukeboom).
And then it occurred to me: if Adam Graves' name were really Gravey, his
nickname would be Graves.
Steve
|
| 11.1145 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Pickeral SS-177, On Eternal Patrol | Mon Apr 03 1995 09:39 | 10 |
| Someone, somewhere, did a TV piece on Hockey nicknames.
Normally, he said, they add an "sy".... Gravesy or Oatesy, for example.
Some are just more "natural" -- Pat Verbeek was called Beeker in Harfaa.
They're really pretty normal.
I've heard that they call Jagr "Sweetsy"......
|
| 11.1146 | Mess is running the show | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Mon Apr 03 1995 12:16 | 11 |
| The Ranger nicknaming style is very much like the mid-80s Oilers style,
suggesting to me that in this arena, as in so many others, it's Mark
Messier leading the way.
I remember an interview with him and Gretzky during a Kings game last
season--they're still "Gretz" and "Mess".
I'm not quite sure what the rules are, for example why Andy Moog was
Moager rather than Moags, but I assume the cap'n knows what he's about.
Steve
|
| 11.1147 | Break up the Senators! | IMBETR::DUPREZ | | Fri Apr 28 1995 09:33 | 7 |
|
Can anyone stop this scoring juggernaut????
All kidding aside, they seem to have picked it up a little. Of course,
you could also note that they're out of it and the games mean nothing.
It'll be interesting to see if they continue to play better early next
year.
|
| 11.1148 | They'll continue to improve (I hope) | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Fri Apr 28 1995 09:38 | 12 |
| The Sens improved themselves at the trading deadline with the addition of
Martin Straka, who was finding it hard to get enough playing time to work
on his game in Pittsburgh.
In addition, they'll have the first or second pick in the amateur draft.
If they pick well, they could have a kid who can step in and help next
year.
It'll be a while before they contend, but when they get into their new
building, our colleagues in Kanata should have a show worth seeing.
Steve
|
| 11.1149 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Grenadier SS-210, On Eternal Patrol | Fri Apr 28 1995 09:44 | 14 |
| Yes, they seem to have improved from abyssmal to dismal, but there is
light, I think at the end of the tunnel.
They seemed, this year anyway, to lose a lot of close games. Lots of one goal
affairs and lots of close ones where they'd pull the goalie and then lose
by 2.....
Next year should be interesting....
'Saw
PS USA is doing well in the World Hockey Championships I heard....
|
| 11.1150 | Haven't paid that much attention | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Fri Apr 28 1995 13:36 | 14 |
| I'm not all that sure how the US is doing at the World's. I've watched
maybe a grand total of 90 minutes of it over four nights, two in my hotel
room (the alternative was the OJ trial), and what I've seen has been so
boring, you'd think it was Florida against Tampa Bay. Almost everybody
is now playing the 1-2-2 (the Neutral Zone Trap).
And of course nobody is fielding their best team, because those players
are in the NHL (exceptions: Austria, France, Norway, who have no NHLers,
and Germany, with one [Uwe Krupp], but he may be banned for a doping
incident a few years back).
So it's pretty feeble stuff.
Steve
|
| 11.1151 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Grenadier SS-210, On Eternal Patrol | Fri Apr 28 1995 14:13 | 5 |
| US is undefeated and at the top of their bracket, and have clinched a spot
in the quarter(?)-finals....
'Saw
|
| 11.1152 | That Bud ad says it all for me..... | CAMONE::WAY | USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam | Thu May 04 1995 09:28 | 5 |
|
"Some say it's only a game....."
"But man, can it be glorious."
|
| 11.1153 | What would be the name? | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Wed May 17 1995 11:00 | 11 |
|
Looks like today could be the day when the Nordiques announce that
they're moving to Denver. Comsat, who owns the Nuggets, have offered
$75M for the Quebec team. If true, they would play in McNichols
arena next year, then move to the new Pepsi arena when it opens.
Seems strange that a big hockey city like Quebec cain't keep a NHL
team. I'm assuming that it's a big hockey city since it's in Canada
but I guess that could be a wrong assumption.
Kevin
|
| 11.1154 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed May 17 1995 11:17 | 5 |
| > Looks like today could be the day when the Nordiques announce that
> they're moving to Denver.
Denver had the Rockies (today's Devils) and couldn't/wouldn't support
them. Why would the NHL allow a team in that market ?
|
| 11.1155 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam | Wed May 17 1995 11:22 | 13 |
| >
>Denver had the Rockies (today's Devils) and couldn't/wouldn't support
>them. Why would the NHL allow a team in that market ?
>
Perhaps because of the current sports surge in the Denver area what with
the Rockies baseball team, and the Broncos?
The Rockies hockey team was there a long time ago. Perhaps the climate
has changed?
'Saw
|
| 11.1156 | | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Wed May 17 1995 11:34 | 21 |
| <<< Note 11.1155 by CAMONE::WAY "USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam" >>>
>Perhaps because of the current sports surge in the Denver area what with
>the Rockies baseball team, and the Broncos?
>
>The Rockies hockey team was there a long time ago. Perhaps the climate
>has changed?
>
>
>'Saw
'Saw, don't forget the Nuggets. They sold out almost all, if not all,
of their home games this year. You know, one thing I could never figure
out. Denver had a minor league baseball team that never drew very
well. Buffalo, on the other hand, supports its minor league team
very well. But when it came to expansion, Denver got the nod. Seemed
like a big risk for MLB to take.
Kevin
|
| 11.1157 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam | Wed May 17 1995 11:38 | 9 |
| Kev,
I KNEW there was one time I was forgetting.... I'm not a big hoops person
so that's probably why.
I don't understand the Buffalo thing either....
'Saw
|
| 11.1158 | I got reasons for ya ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Harry Browne in 96 | Wed May 17 1995 11:43 | 8 |
|
cause the Yankmees would have filed a lawsuit claiming that a team
in Buffalo drew on their fan base and po' po' George would go broke.
A whole new batch of Yuppies now live in Denver so perhaps it will
fly.
mike
|
| 11.1159 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Wed May 17 1995 12:00 | 14 |
| Yep, the Nuggets did sell out all of their home games.
The minor league Denver Grizzlies are averaging around 10,000-11,000
fans a game. Not too shabby. However, the ticket prices are cheap and
a NHL team would sell their tickets for 2 or 3 times more. Also, the
Grizzlies are winners. I'm not completely convinced that an NHL team
would be a big winner in Denver. When you add a new MLB team and a new
NHL team within 3 years of each other. Plus, you have increased interest
in CU and CSU athletic events. That's a lot of competition for sports
entertainment dollars in a relatively small market.
However, I hope it works out well.
Keith
|
| 11.1160 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed May 17 1995 12:21 | 14 |
|
It's the difference between big league and minor league
sports. There's a certain cache and pride in having a major
league team alnog with the knowledge that you're seeing the
very best at it play. Why will the NHL let the Nordiques move?
There's 75 million reasons to start with. Also the NHL may
have finally woken up and realized that if they want to come
closer to the big three in all the meaningful categories then
they have to have a presence in big *American* cities. I'm
surprised that it was Quebec and not one of the smaller Canadian
cities that lost its team but a bit of a move southward for the
league is inevitable. See any Nordiques, Flames or Senators gear
on kids in the mall lately?
|
| 11.1161 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam | Wed May 17 1995 13:30 | 6 |
| I've never seen any Nords stuff or Senators stuff on anyone.
I have seen Flames stuff though....not a lot in this area, but I've
seen it....
'Saw
|
| 11.1162 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed May 17 1995 14:17 | 5 |
| > cause the Yankmees would have filed a lawsuit claiming that a team
> in Buffalo drew on their fan base and po' po' George would go broke.
Mike, get a map. Buffalo is hardly a threat to a NYC team. It's ~7 hours
drive. Cleveland, Toronto and Pittsburgh would be more threatened.
|
| 11.1163 | that's not what I thought | CNTROL::CHILDS | Harry Browne in 96 | Wed May 17 1995 14:23 | 4 |
|
you mean they're only New York ctiy's team not the state???
mike
|
| 11.1164 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed May 17 1995 16:04 | 5 |
| > you mean they're only New York ctiy's team not the state???
I doubt MLB's rules define territorial rights by state. How could
Calif have 2 in the AL and 2 in NL ? I'm sure it's by distance,
which would exclude Buffalo as a NYC domain.
|
| 11.1165 | Geography defined by NBC, ABC, CBS | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Fri May 19 1995 09:30 | 11 |
| The territory that really matters is the TV market, and that's one reason
Denver is considered to be a hotter property by the NHL than in the days
of the Rockies. Further, if the Nordiques do move, they wouldn't have to
go through the agony of an expansion team; the Nords are young and talented
and will contend for years to come, while the Rocks just plain stank up
the ice.
I doubt, however, that the rest of the league likes this move, if it
happens. They'd rather expand to Denver and cash in the fee.
Steve
|
| 11.1166 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Largato SS-371, In Memoriam | Fri May 19 1995 09:49 | 6 |
| What's the latest with Winnipeg? I heard they were moving, but then heard
that unofficially, the Gov't ponied up the money to keep them.
What up wid dat?
|
| 11.1167 | GO LEAFS!!!!!! | POLAR::GROSE | | Fri May 19 1995 18:24 | 11 |
|
Re: 1166
The government has all but given the check to the Jets. Support from
the fans (about 25 000 I think) is the only reason the Winnipeg Jets
are not the Minnesota(sp?) Jets. There is still a chance of the Jets
moving, but it looks good for them staying in Winnipeg. Well as long
as the government doesn't back out! Wish the Nords were doing half as
well.
Jason
|
| 11.1168 | HAPPY TO HEAR IT!!! | POLAR::KAOM25::ARIAL_S | | Mon May 22 1995 08:33 | 12 |
|
The jets are officially staying in Winnepeg for atleast another year,
the team is trying work out a multi year contract with Winnepeg
Entertainment for the new home of the Jets.......(I'm happy to hear it)
I just didn't see the reasoning in giving Minnesota another team after
taking there's away only a few years ago......I am glad to see the Jets
stay in Winnipeg.....especially to see them stay in Canada!!!!!!!
P.K.
|
| 11.1169 | Denver Nordiques | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Thu May 25 1995 11:22 | 6 |
|
Press conference today at 11:45 Denver time. Should be to announce
that Quebec is moving to Denver.
Kevin
|
| 11.1170 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | fifty lashes with a gui icon | Thu May 25 1995 15:24 | 3 |
|
Its true, Comsat, the Nuggets owners have purchased the Nordiques.
Wonder if they'll take over for the Grizzly's?
|
| 11.1171 | should've come to Phoenix | OUTSRC::HEISER | Maranatha! | Thu May 25 1995 16:48 | 1 |
| 11.1172 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Thu May 25 1995 17:10 | 17 |
| > Will the NHL make it in Denver this time?
Most people think so but I've got my doubts. Just 2 years ago, Denver
only had 2 big time sports teams, the Broncos and the Nuggets. 4 Years
ago, the Nuggets were talkin about leavin town because they weren't
making enough money. Now Denver's got 4 big league teams plus improved
CU and CSU teams. The IHL Denver Grizzlies have drawn good crowds and most of
the fans will probably go to see the new NHL team. But the tickets will
be triple the cost and they might decide to not go as often or leave the
kids at home. Meanwhile, the Bronco's, the Nuggets, the Rockies and CU
football have all raised ticket prices recently. There's only so many sports
entertainment dollars to go around.
I think Comsat is sticking it's neck out. But I hope it all works out well
for the Denver Hockey fans and Comsat.
Keith
|
| 11.1173 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Where is the grass greener? | Fri May 26 1995 09:45 | 6 |
|
The Denver Nordiques will move into the Western Conference. While
the Toronto Maple Leafs get moved to the East.
Ron
|
| 11.1174 | | MKOTS3::LONG | Life is better left to chance. | Fri May 26 1995 11:59 | 6 |
| I know it's really no qualifier, but I attended a few NHL Rockies
in the 70's. The city of Denver barely filled a quarter of the seats
in McNichols Arena. What makes them think this will change now?
billl
|
| 11.1175 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Fri May 26 1995 12:54 | 15 |
| > What makes them think this will change now?
I'm not sure. Perhaps they noticed the record crowds that the Rockies
have drawn. As previously stated, the IHL Denver Grizzlies have done
well with attendance. The town has seen a lot of growth in the last
decade. With the Nordiques, they are starting with a decent team.
The old Denver NHL team was pretty bad. Add in the new stadium, better
parking and entertainment in the neighborhood. All of this together is what
is making Comsat optimistic.
Yesterday's Rocky Mtn News reported that only 10 cites have a major league
team in the 4 big sports. Denver is now one of that elite club but it's
the smallest city of those 10.
Keith
|
| 11.1176 | | GENRAL::WADE | Ah'm Yo Huckleberry... | Thu Aug 10 1995 14:22 | 5 |
|
It's been reported in another notesfile that the team name for
Colorado will be "Avalanche". Blech...
Clay
|
| 11.1177 | | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Thu Aug 10 1995 17:00 | 5 |
|
Blue, black, and silver for the colors.
Kevin
|
| 11.1178 | wtfo | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | What ever happened to Bob Steele? | Thu Aug 10 1995 18:01 | 2 |
|
I heard red blue and silver from the local cx note.
|
| 11.1179 | Colorado Avalanche | FABSIX::E_MAXWELL | Oh flight attendent! | Fri Aug 11 1995 03:08 | 8 |
| The name, logo and color scheme for the team was announced by
team Executive President Shawn Hunter in
a news conference at the Westin Tabor Center Hotel in Denver. The logo
will feature a color scheme of burgundy,
silver, blue and black.
Lil Ed
|
| 11.1180 | ...and burgandy | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Fri Aug 11 1995 10:08 | 11 |
| |. <<< Note 11.1178 by OLD1S::CADZILLA2 "What ever happened to Bob Steele?" >>>
|. -< wtfo >
|
| I heard red blue and silver from the local cx note.
I missed the burgandy part. Some Avalanche official says that burgandy
will be the next hot color in sports franchises. Did Digital start
a trend?
|
| 11.1182 | | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Mon Oct 09 1995 11:23 | 14 |
| > Gees, how ugly are those new NYIslander unis? The 'creator' musta been
> dosing bigtime...
Yeah, really!
> I like Colorado's but don't like the name...
I've never been a fan of "singular" team names. The Avalanche is pretty
hokey.
'Saw
|
| 11.1183 | not | AD::HEATH | Tribe Roooools Sox;Sox commit biggest choke in sports | Mon Oct 09 1995 13:44 | 5 |
|
I like the Sasquatch footprint on the shoulders. What a nice touch.
Jerry
|
| 11.1184 | Phoenix now has all 4 major sports | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Nov 30 1995 10:53 | 4 |
| 11.1185 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | Will work for sleep.. | Thu Nov 30 1995 10:55 | 3 |
| >Phoenix now has all 4 major sports
And had to swipe from other cities to get three of them... :-)
|
| 11.1186 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | Will work for sleep.. | Thu Nov 30 1995 10:57 | 1 |
| Nope, not three - two. Cardinals and Jets.
|
| 11.1188 | Thibault is gonna be a good one | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Wed Dec 06 1995 11:40 | 6 |
|
This will make the 'Lanche Stanely Cup Champs without a doubt this
year. In the long run the scabs win this though.
Jerry
|
| 11.1190 | Kasper is our SAVIOUR! | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:04 | 11 |
| C'mon guys!
We ALL know that Boston is going to win the Cup this year.
Kasper is going to all of a sudden get tranmorgrafied and become CoY and
Boston's gonna run away with it, beating Los Angeles 4-0 in the Finals...
It's a given! You heard it here first.....
'Saw
|
| 11.1191 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:08 | 12 |
|
Frank,
Why do you continually blame Kasper when its the Defense that has
got them into the mess they are in? He can't go out there and Play
Defense for them. Besides Bourque and Sweeney the rest of them guys
have sucked. Makes me wonder how undervalued Glenn Wesley really was.
Chap
|
| 11.1192 | | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:19 | 25 |
| > Why do you continually blame Kasper when its the Defense that has
> got them into the mess they are in? He can't go out there and Play
> Defense for them. Besides Bourque and Sweeney the rest of them guys
> have sucked. Makes me wonder how undervalued Glenn Wesley really was.
Then why have a coach at all? Why not just say "Okay guys, let's go out and
play..."
Read my previous note to Jerry on the subject and you'll understand my
position.
A coach directs it all, is responsible for it all, and owns the whole
enchilada.
The defense sucks. Well, it's pretty simple. Either Kasper is allowing them
to continue sucking -- and these guys have played damned well in previous
seasons so it's not a case of shitty talent -- or he is incapable of driving
them to success. It's either/or.
'Saw
|
| 11.1193 | call me a cynic | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | A day in infamy | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:21 | 13 |
| I think that in these days of mega-contracts for
professional sports the coach has less and less to
do with the "inspiration" a players performs with.
The coach simply puts together a game plan. Then
it's up to the rich kids to execute it.
The guy who signs the other line on their contract
is thier sole motivator.
billl
|
| 11.1194 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | A day in infamy | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:23 | 8 |
| >>-- and these guys have played damned well in previous
>>seasons so it's not a case of shitty talent --
Frank, I think this is where your theory breaks down.
billl
|
| 11.1195 | | PCBUOA::MORGAN | | Wed Dec 06 1995 12:47 | 19 |
| Let's see, there are three defensemen left over from last year's team,
Bourque, Sweeney and the fossil Kasatonov, who was originally signed as
a power play specialist. McLaren has played well for a rookie, but he
does play like a rookie and has benefited from being paired with
Bourque. Zombo downright sucks. Gruden and Rohloff have played
poorly. Time will tell how Cornforth fairs. Other than Bourque, and to
an extent Sweeney, they have nobody that can carry the puck out of their
own end. Wesley has definitely been missed, and to rely on Iafrate at
this point, it completely hopeless. Add to this mix, a underachieving
bunch of forwards and you have yourself an embarassing team
representing the Boston Bruins.
Did Lacher become a sieve overnight? I don't think you can blame the
team's problems on him or Kasper for that matter. It all boils down to
lousy team defense.
Steve
|
| 11.1196 | | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Wed Dec 06 1995 14:03 | 26 |
| re billl,
I said nothing about inspiration.
In MY job these days I'm ANYTHING BUT inspired. The could pay me 3 mil a year
here and I wouldn't be inspired. But I'm driven to produce by my boss and
other intangibles.
It's the same thing on the ice. Inspiration has little to do with it,
motivation a bit more, but ultimately it is up to the coach to mold and
promote the team concept, and drive results.
re Steve,
That may be so, but I think you give Kasper far too much credit. He has
allowed a lack of discipline and a lack of agressiveness to taint his defense.
He cannot go out there and headman the puck out of the zone, but he sure as
hell can let these guys know that he won't tolerate the things you and I have
been seeing.
Clearly, and obviously, he has NOT done that.
'Saw
|
| 11.1197 | Kasper still is the one I'd hold accountable | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Wed Dec 06 1995 14:57 | 11 |
|
Chappy...
To say the the entire D has sucked is crazy. Bourque is having a
very solid year. Leading the team in points, #1 is scoring for a d'man
and is a + small amount +/-. Plus at age 35 is loggin that many
minutes. Sweeney has played allright but not as good as last year but
after those two they have SUCKED.
Jerry
|
| 11.1198 | IMO | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Dec 06 1995 15:47 | 13 |
|
I meant the whole D except for Ray and to some extent Sweeney. I
was really excited about this team. But seeing about 50% of there games
so far. A blind man could see what is wrong. Shoddy Defense, guys
standing around on D. Making bad clearing passes. But the Goaltending
has also been a little suspect. I think they need to go out and get
another Defenseman. Iafrate is a waste of a Roster spot.
Chap
|
| 11.1199 | | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Thu Dec 07 1995 08:34 | 16 |
| > I meant the whole D except for Ray and to some extent Sweeney. I
> was really excited about this team. But seeing about 50% of there games
> so far. A blind man could see what is wrong. Shoddy Defense, guys
> standing around on D. Making bad clearing passes. But the Goaltending
> has also been a little suspect. I think they need to go out and get
> another Defenseman. Iafrate is a waste of a Roster spot.
GEEZ Chappy, go ahead and change your story now. Bourque and Sweeney are, for
all intents and purposes, one-third of the defense, so in all actuality you
really meant that 2/3 of the Bruins defense sucks....
Iafrate can be a stud if he'd ever "get over" his knees....
'Saw
|
| 11.1200 | Go talk to Glen 'Saw he can help you.... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Thu Dec 07 1995 09:28 | 23 |
| <<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
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Frank,
Why do you continually blame Kasper when its the Defense that has
got them into the mess they are in? He can't go out there and Play
Defense for them. Besides Bourque and Sweeney the rest of them guys
have sucked. Makes me wonder how undervalued Glenn Wesley really was.
Chap
BTW this was my original note. I never changed my story??????
|
| 11.1201 | | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Thu Dec 07 1995 10:01 | 12 |
| >
> BTW this was my original note. I never changed my story??????
>
I stand corrected.
I read your note with the wrong inflections on "besides".....
I was wrong....
'Saw
|
| 11.1202 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | A day in infamy | Thu Dec 07 1995 10:49 | 10 |
| >I was wrong....
>'Saw
'Saw, this is a very scary place to be admitting
anything, much less a mistake.
billl
|
| 11.1203 | Besides, I'm going on vacation soon anyway! | CAM::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Thu Dec 07 1995 11:32 | 10 |
| > 'Saw, this is a very scary place to be admitting
> anything, much less a mistake.
Ah, what the hell. I wouldn't be much if I couldn't admit I was wrong when I
erred, and I wouldn't be much if I gloated too much when I was right.
If people want to ping on me for it, let 'em....
'Saw
|
| 11.1205 | Crossing I's and dotting T's | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Feb 26 1996 10:02 | 9 |
| This rumor has been on CNN International and STKHLM::HOCKEY as well.
Apparently it is expected to be finalized tomorrow, Gretzky could be
feeding Brett Hull by Thursday. The word is that some of the financial
details are still unresolved. I take that to mean that Gretzky has not
yet agreed to a deal for the next two years, without which St. Louis
would be brain dead to make the trade. He becomes an unrestricted free
agent at the end of this season, if he hasn't signed beforehand.
Steve
|
| 11.1206 | | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Mon Feb 26 1996 13:08 | 6 |
|
Yea, I heard something about the corps in and around St. Louis,
Ralston Parina, Bud ect...banding together to help foot the bill.
Not sure what to make of this but Tardiff is a solid hockey player
and how much longer can The Fake One go????
|
| 11.1207 | Long enough to win another cup | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Feb 26 1996 13:37 | 6 |
| Well, I just finished watching LA's game with NYR the week after the
All Star Game, and based on that performance, I'd say he's got two
more 100+ point seasons in him. Especially if he's feeding the puck
to Brett Hull.
Steve
|
| 11.1208 | | PSDVAX::ROBICHAUD | Don'tTakeComedyFromStrangers | Mon Feb 26 1996 15:35 | 6 |
| Gretzky will never win another Stanley Cup with the Blues. Had he
taken less money and went with the StRangers he could've been a
champion again. But despite what he says, this whole thing was
probably about money.
/Don
|
| 11.1209 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Can the Coach... | Mon Feb 26 1996 16:14 | 8 |
|
Do people feel that Gretzky is THAT much better a passer at his
age, then Adam Oates? Brett Hull scored 76 goals with Oates feeding him
the puck. Even with a full year of Gretzky, Hull doesn't score 70
again. Hull scored a lot of goals from the slot. Teams are covering
that area of the ice much better today, so Gretzky doesn't help much.
Ron
|
| 11.1210 | da Broons got their work cut out for them | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Beat em Bucs | Fri Mar 08 1996 14:34 | 21 |
| NHL conference standings updated through games of March 7.
Eastern Conference
GP W L T Pts
1) PITTSBURGH 65 40 21 4 84
2) NY RANGERS 66 35 18 13 83
3) FLORIDA 65 35 22 8 78
4) PHILADELPHIA 63 32 19 12 76
5) TAMPA BAY 65 31 25 9 71
6) WASHINGTON 64 31 25 8 70
7) NEW JERSEY 64 29 25 10 68
8) MONTREAL 64 30 27 7 67
--------------------------------------------
9) BOSTON 64 28 28 8 64
10) HARTFORD 63 26 30 7 59
BUFFALO 64 26 31 7 59
12) NY ISLANDERS 65 19 38 8 46
13) OTTAWA 64 12 49 3 27
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| 11.1211 | Never thought I'd be saying this | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Mar 11 1996 07:20 | 4 |
| Gotta be impressed with the job the Esposito brothers and Terry Crisp
have done in Tampa Bay.
Steve
|
| 11.1213 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Thu Mar 14 1996 09:42 | 1 |
| So after it all, Wendell is back in Tarawna...
|
| 11.1214 | Speaking of trades | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Mar 18 1996 09:34 | 12 |
| The New York Rangers sent Ray Ferraro, Mattias Norstr�m, Nathan Lafayette,
and Ian Laperriere to the Los Angeles Kings for Jari Kurri, Marty McSorley,
and Shane Churla.
The Rangers get bigger, the Kings get younger and cheaper.
The guy I feel for is Ferraro, who signed from the Islanders as a free
agent, turning down larger offers, because he wanted a shot at playing
for a winner. There is a lesson here for all free agents, especially to
be kept in mind when owners and GMs prattle on about loyalty.
Steve
|
| 11.1215 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Mon Mar 18 1996 09:53 | 15 |
| Well put Steve.
I'm familiar with Ferraro from his tenure with the Whale. Hard working,
tenacious, capable of scoring, yet small. Neil Smith claimed he wanted
size.
The Hartford Courant announced with trade with a nifty little parenthetical
comment:
Ray Ferraro was traded (kicking and screaming) to the Kings, along
with...
'Saw
|
| 11.1216 | So long, Ray, you got screwed | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Mar 18 1996 10:36 | 15 |
| Yeah, Ferraro made no secret of wanting to be where he was. He was often
mentioned as part of a possible deal for Gretzky (along with Luc Robitaille),
and told anyone who would listen why he signed with New York and why he
wanted to stay there.
Actually, he's also the part of the deal I understand least. I assume
Kurri now will center the Rangers' second line. Fine, he's better in his
own zone than Ferraro, though not the player he used to be offensively.
But why does LA want Ferraro? He'll be 32 in August. Why not try to get
younger players, like the (unrelated) Ferraro twins now in Binghamton?
Meanwhile, adding Churla and McSorley suddenly makes the Rangers a very
good sized team. Come playoff time, don't let them out of your sight.
Steve
|
| 11.1217 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Tue Apr 02 1996 15:17 | 37 |
| And on another note it is looking more and more like we've got our own little
"Modell" situation brewing here in Hartford.
I'm no Whalers fan, and I'm astounded at the ability of the club to put a team
on the ice year after year and fail to make the playoffs. Surprisingly enough
right now they have a damned good team.
At any rate, there is this big push on to sell 11,000 season tickets by May,
there is a special panel meeting to help market the team better, and there is a
push on to sell luxury boxes to keep the team from moving.
It's no secret that the Hartford Whalers are a big part of the Hartford scene
in terms of revenue and "draw into the city." There are other things in
Hartford that are cool to be sure, but the Whalers get people into the city and
a lot of businesses depend on that revenue.
It's also no secret that the team is doing a kind of squeeze play on the city.
They claim they can't keep losing 10-15 million a year and remain in the city.
On the other hand, they haven't exactly put a winner on the ice and their
ticket prices are through the roof, so why go to the Coliseum?
The latest event in this saga is the most interesting. It seems that a Whaler
VP has his house on the market. His reason is that with a small child an
another on the way, they need more room. The house is a four bedroom and when
asked about that, he quickly claimed that his wife didn't like that layout.
In addition, Gerald Diduck, Whaler's defensemen, and his wife have their house
on the market. They reason is ostensibly that they want to build a bigger
house.
Quite frankly, I'm figuring the Whalers to pull a Modell and head for
Nashville at the end of the season. While I wouldn't miss the team,
unfortutnately, it would be bad for Hartford.
'Saw
|
| 11.1218 | Round the wives up, and interrogate, interrogate, interogate | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Pride of Steel | Tue Apr 02 1996 15:36 | 13 |
|
> In addition, Gerald Diduck, Whaler's defensemen, and his wife have their house
> on the market. They reason is ostensibly that they want to build a bigger
> house.
You Hartfordians are major paranoid. You think The Whale would
let a mere defenseman in on these sinister plans? ;-)
Just curious, where is this info coming from? Sounds like someone
at the Hartford Courant needs to get a life...
glenn
|
| 11.1219 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Tue Apr 02 1996 15:45 | 35 |
| > You Hartfordians are major paranoid. You think The Whale would
> let a mere defenseman in on these sinister plans? ;-)
I'm just tellin' ya what I heard on the news.
> Just curious, where is this info coming from? Sounds like someone
> at the Hartford Courant needs to get a life...
Actually, you're not far off.
WFSB-TV3 claims to be the highest rated of the three local newscasts. The
others are WTNH-TV8 in New Haven and WVIT-TV30 in Hartford.
TV3 pissed a lot of folks off when the dumped their anchor when he was sick
with his heart problem, and then let their long time sports anchor (Dave Smith)
go. For me that was the last straw. I really enjoyed Dave Smith.
At any rate, TV30 is the home station of Beasley Reece on Sports, and the rest
of their crew is first rate. So, a lot of viewers have been migrating to TV30.
In fact there was a big article on this in the Courant recently.
TV3 has been trying to scoop every one (and doing kind of a poor job) lately.
The story aired on TV3 last night after the NCAA game. I was watching it in a
bar waiting for AAA to call me back to confirm a tow-truck was coming for my
pickup, which lost it's "serpentine" belt. (Talk about a single point of
failure!).
I guess when you're in a bar, soaking wet, on a Monday night, waiting for AAA
to call, you'll watch anything.
'Saw
|
| 11.1220 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | You never can tell | Tue Apr 02 1996 17:42 | 8 |
| I thought Hartford moving was old hat, I heard about it weeks ago. The
team has basically said to Hartford, if you can support us we'll stay
else we'll have to leave. Hartford doesn't have the interest in the
team to keep it.
This is the exact opposite of the Modell situation in that all the
parties are talking and reasonable. This is more like Boston Braves
drawing 272,000 in 1952 and leaving the next year for Milwaukee.
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| 11.1221 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Wed Apr 03 1996 09:23 | 32 |
| > I thought Hartford moving was old hat, I heard about it weeks ago. The
> team has basically said to Hartford, if you can support us we'll stay
> else we'll have to leave. Hartford doesn't have the interest in the
> team to keep it.
Yes and no.
It's been threatened for years, actually, since that fat pantload Lyin' Lowell
Weicker was in the Governor's Mansion. Before it was whiney Richard Gordon,
pleading with all of us that he could support his family if he kept losing
$20 million a year.
Somehow that plea just never touched the hearts of folks who couldn't afford to
take a family of four to a hockey game.
With the new owners it's a little different.
It's not so much that Hartford doesn't have the interest. In a sense they do.
But there are a lot of folks around here who wouldn't go see them every night
because they are either Bruins or Ranger fans.
Then there are the folks that don't want to pay escalating ticket prices to see
a team that has not made the playoffs in years.
> This is the exact opposite of the Modell situation in that all the
> parties are talking and reasonable. This is more like Boston Braves
> drawing 272,000 in 1952 and leaving the next year for Milwaukee.
Well, if you can call Art Modell reasonable.....
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| 11.1222 | Checkers win!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 01 1996 10:40 | 21 |
| Wail it aint like it's Boston and Montreal but then again the Charlotte
and the Jacksonville are still playing.
Went to the local East Coast Hokey League game lasted night. The
Charlotte Checkers beat the Jacksonville Lizard Kings 5-3 scoring twice
in the 3rd period for the win.
It had all the basic makings of a grand sprots evening: cold budweisers,
a trash can to gather round, a TV monitor and if'n you wanted you could
actually go in and sit down and watch it.
I've only seen NHL a couple of times but this seems a lot closer to the
college game. Firsted of all, they actually try unlike a lot of major
league sprots. Nextedly, when you're there you hear a whole lot more of
the game. On TV you hear some of the board checks but hardly ever the
sounds of the slap shots, the skates and the bodies hitting the ice.
And ya gotta love the Lizard Kings!~ Their uniforms are sorta like green
Spiderman costumes.
TTom
|
| 11.1223 | Checkers beat Lizard Kings | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 02 1996 12:02 | 6 |
| The Checkers continue their domination of the Lizard Kings, blowin 'em
out 8-2 lasted night at Jacksonville.
It looks like this one's gonna be over afore it gets back to Charlotte.
TTom
|
| 11.1224 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Thu May 02 1996 12:23 | 2 |
| You just *can't* beat the name "Lizard Kings". I'd love to work in the
office where they came up with that name...
|
| 11.1225 | good name, good image | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 02 1996 13:24 | 8 |
| re: Lizard Kings
The image I get is from that movie _Dreamscape_ where Dennis Quaid
invades Eddie Albert's dream along with some bad guy who knows that Quaid
has this phobia about a lizard king and he turns into one to scare the
sheet outta ol' Dennis.
TTom
|
| 11.1226 | The Lizard Kings go down!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri May 03 1996 12:05 | 8 |
| The Checkers win!~
Charlotte completed the sweep of Jacksonville with a rousing 6-1 finish
lasted night to win the Jack Riley Cup for the ECHL championship.
Charlotte never trailed the whole series.
TTom
|
| 11.1227 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Beat em Bucs | Fri May 10 1996 13:55 | 15 |
| After watching last night's game I'd have to say there
is a new prima donna team in the NHL according to the
officials. That is the boys in blue and red.
Messy-a and his brood of thugs musta had some magic
unis on that rendered them invisible to "Donut Man".
Honestly, though, I was getting a little tired of seeing
Lemieux's raising his arms and looking at Koharski. I mean
if he would always just whack them back the way he did a
few times last night he'd probably be getting a lot fewer
whacks himself.
billl
|
| 11.1228 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri May 10 1996 14:22 | 1 |
| Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.....
|
| 11.1229 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Fri May 10 1996 15:00 | 7 |
| > Honestly, though, I was getting a little tired of seeing
> Lemieux's raising his arms and looking at Koharski.
Join the rest of us, Billl.
Actually, he does get a little sympathy from me for having to look at
"the fat pig".
|
| 11.1230 | | DELNI::FORGET | | Thu May 16 1996 09:09 | 6 |
|
heard on the news this morning. the Whalers will stay in Hartford
for at least 2 more years.
Game #7 St.Louis vs Detroit 8:00 @ESPN
|
| 11.1231 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu May 16 1996 10:05 | 45 |
| > heard on the news this morning. the Whalers will stay in Hartford
> for at least 2 more years.
It gets better....
Karmanos, their owner, basically said:
Good news and bad news. The good news is we're staying. The
bad news is that if we don't improve our losses in two years,
we're outta here.
To stem our losses we're going to have to cut costs, and do
more with less.
I found that to be very humerous. Sounds like he's from the Bob Palmer
school of (mis)managment.
Here's the situation as I see it.
1. The deal that they have with the Civic Center doesn't (last
I knew) give them a percentage, or else it's very, very small,
of the concessions, or parking revenues.
2. They have the smallest arena in the NHL.
3. On the other hand, people down here are NOT going to shell
out good, hard earned money for a team that hasn't made the
playoffs in five years.
My solution for the situation is for the State to oversee, or finagle or
something, the deal with the Civic Center and the Whalers. (As part of an
organization that recently ran an event at the Civic Center I can tell you it
is wicked expensive to do business there).
On the other hand, the Whalers have to put a winner on the ice. Raising season
ticket prices and expecting the fans to buy them when your product on the ice
is a piss poor perenially out of the running team, is ludicrous.
I figure they're gone in two years anyway.
'saw
|
| 11.1232 | in my dreams | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Thu May 16 1996 13:19 | 4 |
|
Well lets see the Whalers wanna cut costs uh. I can see a Brendan
Shannahan for Steve Hienze trade on the Horizon.
|
| 11.1233 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu May 16 1996 14:03 | 27 |
| > -< in my dreams >-
>
>
>
> Well lets see the Whalers wanna cut costs uh. I can see a Brendan
> Shannahan for Steve Hienze trade on the Horizon.
The Whalers have decent talent. What I cannot understand is why they were not
winning more.
Burke is a damned good goaltender -- when he gets into the zone he's
unstoppable, and give the amount of rubber he's faced in his Whalers career is
astounding and he's never complained.
Geoff Sanderson can score. He was THE man before Shanahan came along.
Shanahan leads the team well.
Their defense is decent, even with Glenn Wesley. 8^)
I do not understand why they haven't won more. If they win more, they put more
asses in the seats, which is what Karmanos wants.
Personally, given the abyssmal history of the team lately, the fans did a
remarkable job in this recent ticket campaign. But it's damned hard to ask
fans to part with their money for the product they've seen....
|
| 11.1234 | | PTOSS1::SCHRAMME | Eric Schramm (412)829-0710 | Thu May 16 1996 14:32 | 3 |
|
Hartford's winning problem is that they play in the Eastern Conference.
If they played in the West they would of easily made the playoffs.
|
| 11.1235 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu May 16 1996 14:38 | 11 |
| >
> Hartford's winning problem is that they play in the Eastern Conference.
> If they played in the West they would of easily made the playoffs.
>
I noticed that at the end of the season.
Hopefully, this year, for the city and state, they'll have a better season.
'Saw
|
| 11.1236 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | Better days are coming bye and bye. BS | Thu May 16 1996 15:57 | 9 |
| I don't think Conneticut as a state has a hockey mentality. The
perfect Conneticut sport is the UConn lady huskies.
Does Hartford or NewHaven have a CBA or minor league basketball team?
They do have one of the better sources of basketball talent and even
athletic talent - I wouldn't be surprised that they'd pass Mass. in
this respect although we could always pull Harry Agannis out of the
bag to counter SF's Young.
|
| 11.1237 | Jimmy Dinsmore did them under! | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Thu May 16 1996 16:46 | 1 |
| The Whale's curse is simple. It's the curse of the DINZ!!!!!!!!!!
|
| 11.1238 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri May 17 1996 09:27 | 6 |
| Actually, you're partially right on the hockey mentality. But if he team was
winning (which they never have really since they've been in Hartford), it would
be a different story.
I *THINK* there's a CBA team here, but I'm not sure. You know me and
basketball.
|
| 11.1239 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri May 17 1996 12:27 | 12 |
| Enjoyed the Detroit-St. Louis game last night immensely.
At some points, I got a little bit antsy with the camera coverage. ESPN would
opt for a close up of a nose-rub in the corner, and then not know exactly where
the puck was while the ensuing rush up ice took place.
However, a lot of this close in coverage was incredible. The play in the
corners was intense, and some of the clips showed just how well these guys
skate. How these guys keep their feet and push and shove and dig for the puck
is astounding.
'Saw
|
| 11.1240 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Beat em Bucs | Fri May 17 1996 13:23 | 10 |
| I don't like ESPN's hockey coverage. Those moments
of quickly flashing between close up shots and full
ice shots are too much for my visual neurons to handle.
I'd rather they keep the full ice shot thoughout, then
show the closeup as a reply during stopages in play.
billl
|
| 11.1241 | Av's in 6 if they'd a been playin the Penquins it'd a been 5 | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Mon Jun 03 1996 07:25 | 16 |
|
Well its down to two. Pigeons take the pipe just like my B's. Great
quote by the Hairmiester before game 7..."I hate game 7's"...yup thats
a great attitude to have going in to the biggest game of the season to
date. I may be a little off here but ain't win or play golf what its
all about? In any sport the ultimate is playing for your teams right
to move on. Game 7 is really simple leave it on the field/rink/court
or go home. There are exceptions but Grapes b right Euros are soft.
On a brighter note Claude the fraud has been suspended for games 1 & 2
of the finals for his hit on Draper.
Jerry
|
| 11.1242 | | CSC32::MACGREGOR | Colorado: the TRUE mid-west | Mon Jun 03 1996 16:17 | 16 |
|
Speaking of the suspension to C.L. I have no problem with the
suspension, but am I the only person that wonders why the NHL can't
come up with even remotely close penalties for the same offense.
Take the simplist of examples. Two identical hits. In the first, the
person being hit stays (sort of) on his feet and plays on. In the
second, the person being hit falls and cracks open his chin on the ice.
Net result, one hitter goes on, while the other gets a 5 minute major.
Shouldn't the penalities be based on the offense, not the result of the
offense?
Marc, part-time hockey fan looking for some logic
|
| 11.1243 | | THEMAX::JACKSON | Set the drag just right! | Mon Jun 03 1996 18:58 | 6 |
| I think the officials are out for CL. Yes he does play rougher than
alot of others, but that shot he gave wasn't any different than others
that I've seen in that series and most of 'em going without
penalties...
Tim
|
| 11.1244 | Claude'll get whats commin to him | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Tue Jun 04 1996 07:44 | 16 |
|
It was a 5 and a game for two reasons. One is the end result, Draper
was all busted up, ref sees that and hands out a major. 2ndly Tim is
right, it was a reputation call. Claude is not stranger to this type
of dirty/cheap play and if he is involved they will "consider the
source" type of thing. When I first saw it I thought it was nothing
more than a 2 min minor maybe a double minor, but after seeing Draper
I knew Claude was gone. It was a cheap shot and one that really didn't
need to be taken, Draper had already dished the puck, Claude was simply
finishing his check, he could have pulled up but that wouldn't be his
style. If that was Deadmarsh or just about any other 'Lanche player
he may have gotton the 5 and a game but there would be no suspension.
Jerry
|
| 11.1245 | lame | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jun 04 1996 10:40 | 13 |
| Having seen both the Claude la Fraud hit and the Bad Albert Joey
situation, I think both of 'em got robbed. I agree that the penalties
were based largey on reputation.
In Claude's case, he had the misfortune of the guy's face hitting the
boards. Dumb luck, that.
With Joey, the guy was in the basepath and you're supposed to break the
play up, just like when you're heading home and the catcher is in the
way. Pete Rose leveled some guy from Cleveland in a_All Star game once
worse than this and he was a hero!~
TTom
|
| 11.1246 | And he SCOOOORES! | MFGFIN::JACKSON | Set the drag just right! | Tue Jun 04 1996 23:14 | 7 |
| I hope Claude doesn't hurt the team in the long run. I didn't think
it was a cheap shot, or should I say any cheaper than all the other
elbow in the back checks.
Av's are up 3-1 after 2 periods. All 3 goals in the 2nd.....
Tim
|
| 11.1248 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Wed Jun 05 1996 09:48 | 8 |
| >
> ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Blues veteran goaltender Jon Casey was rewarded
> for a solid postseason Monday with a new multi-year contract.
>
Just proves that the Blues (who traded away Adam Oates for Craig Janney) can be
just as stupid as the Bruins....
|
| 11.1249 | 3-1 Avalanche | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 05 1996 10:54 | 15 |
| Hey this hokey stuff is cool, heh-heh heh-heh.
But that blue thing they do with the puck has gotta go. Like we're too
stupid to follow it without their electronic assistance.
Panthers scored first on a major defensive lapse. Then Colorado scored 3
goals in about 4 minutes late in the second. Goalies dominated the rest
of the game.
Has a singular name ever won the cup afore?
BTW, I found it interesting that the judges, in a precedented move,
awared each goal exactly 1 point.
TTom
|
| 11.1250 | | CSC32::MACGREGOR | Colorado: the TRUE mid-west | Wed Jun 05 1996 11:16 | 10 |
|
>BTW, I found it interesting that the judges, in a precedented move,
>awared each goal exactly 1 point.
I completely agree. I am routing for the Avs, but Ricci's shot was
probably only worth about 0.6 goals. I was so pleased with the home
cooking that allowed it to be worth 1.0 goals.
Marc
|
| 11.1251 | "Barging" replaced by hooking and holding today, Phil | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Wed Jun 05 1996 12:09 | 11 |
| Karen are you goading Frank? Shame, shame.
Phil liked that blue smoke and especially the red streak on the hard
shots - I even like the red a little but you can have the blue.
Phil wanted to know why they don't "barge them into the curb, more" and
why not more barging in the middle of the ice and not only "at the
curb".
I was going to tell a long story about Boivan and Flaman but it was
past bedtime.
|
| 11.1252 | ? | POWDML::GARBARINO | | Tue Jun 11 1996 13:02 | 12 |
| I don't follow hockey much. I have enjoyed the Stanley Cup playoffs
at times over the years. From you veteran hockey fans, do you get
enjoyment out of a game in which only 1 goal is scored (from 119 shots) ?
And given that most claim the most exciting moment in hockey is "the
penalty shot", shouldn't hockey try to create more of these type of
situations (shooter vs. goalie) in the flow of the game (eg: allow
the two-line pass) ?
While Beezer's performance in the 1st OT was exciting (the one-on-one
glove stop), it seems a shame that one player (ie: goalie) can dominate
a game and a series...and lead a middle-of-the-pack team to the title.
|
| 11.1253 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Hardball, good ol' country | Tue Jun 11 1996 13:06 | 16 |
|
> While Beezer's performance in the 1st OT was exciting (the one-on-one
> glove stop), it seems a shame that one player (ie: goalie) can dominate
> a game and a series...and lead a middle-of-the-pack team to the title.
On the other hand, while it's certainly true that the goalie has a
huge impact on the game, from what I saw of the last few series,
the impact of Roy/Beezer has been overrated, the solid play elsewhere
underrated. I don't think Vanbiesbrouck "beat" Pittsburgh, for
example...
Maybe not so with Florida, but Colorado is a damned good team, period.
glenn
|
| 11.1254 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Tue Jun 11 1996 13:40 | 5 |
| >From you veteran hockey fans, do you get
>enjoyment out of a game in which only 1 goal is scored (from 119 shots) ?
Yes. In fact, playoff games like these damn near give me a coronary.
I'm half-glad I didn't watch - I'd have been too wired to go to bed.
|
| 11.1255 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Jun 11 1996 13:42 | 39 |
| >I don't follow hockey much. I have enjoyed the Stanley Cup playoffs
>at times over the years. From you veteran hockey fans, do you get
>enjoyment out of a game in which only 1 goal is scored (from 119 shots) ?
Yes. The game is much more than scoring.
While I find the "neutral zone trap" a bit boring, I can get just as excited
about a good, hard-hitting defensive struggle.
But, then too, I'm a person who likes suspense, and you get a lot of that
with OT games.
>And given that most claim the most exciting moment in hockey is "the
>penalty shot", shouldn't hockey try to create more of these type of
>situations (shooter vs. goalie) in the flow of the game (eg: allow
>the two-line pass) ?
Overrated claim, IMO. Enough of them happen.
A good low hard shot from the point by a Ray Bourque with a good screen in
front of the keeper and a forward who can deflect the puck in mid air is, IMO,
just as exciting.
The folks who claim penalty shots are the most exciting are the same folks who
feel it necessary to put blue dots and red streaks on the screen....
>While Beezer's performance in the 1st OT was exciting (the one-on-one
>glove stop), it seems a shame that one player (ie: goalie) can dominate
>a game and a series...and lead a middle-of-the-pack team to the title.
Disagree. Florida ruled the world until the All-Star break....finished in the
middle of the pack, but were the best team in hockey for three months.
Florida worked their asses off and wanted it more than Pittsburgh, Philly, and
Boston....
|
| 11.1256 | not all D is glorious | PHXSS1::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Tue Jun 11 1996 14:03 | 2 |
| 11.1257 | Highly singular plural | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Fri Jun 14 1996 09:22 | 9 |
| .1249 on 5-Jun, TTom:
>Has a singular name ever won the cup afore?
Two teams whose names did not terminate with "s" have won the Cup, Montreal
AAA (1893, 1894, 1902, Feb 1903) and the Ottawa Silver Seven (Mar 1903, 1904,
1905, 1906). Whether those count as singular is another matter.
Steve
|
| 11.1258 | depends | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 14 1996 10:31 | 7 |
| Thanks for the info.
I guess it's a distinction between "singular" and "ending with a_s".
Certainly, MLB has had a Sox win a time of 2.
TTom
|
| 11.1259 | | NQOS01::nqsrv101.nqo.dec.com::may_br | BRUCE MAY | Mon Jun 17 1996 16:55 | 4 |
| rumor going round that THe Great One may end up a Coyote next season. Gotta
check with Groaner to see if it's ok for me to be a fan of theirs, though.
brews
|
| 11.1260 | | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Tue Jun 18 1996 13:08 | 6 |
|
I hope that is true. I don't want the mediocre one hookin up with
his playmate messyhair and have to listen to those dopes on ESPN drool
all over the StRangers for another year.
|
| 11.1261 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Hardball, good ol' country | Tue Jun 18 1996 13:58 | 10 |
|
> I hope that is true. I don't want the mediocre one hookin up with
> his playmate messyhair and have to listen to those dopes on ESPN drool
> all over the StRangers for another year.
Tell it like it is, Jerry...
glenn
|
| 11.1262 | Jacobs lets go a little mug money | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Thu Jul 18 1996 15:22 | 4 |
| Meanwhile Harry and Michael have raided Ottawa and other triple A
affiliates for their annual big signing spree.
Details? See Jerry,Karen, Frank.. or your local Bruins notes domain.
|
| 11.1263 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri Jul 19 1996 09:39 | 5 |
| Well, actually I get very litte information down here, even though I have
folks scouring the paper during the week (which I don't get).
I know they lost Dave Reid, which, IMO, is unconscionable(sp) AND
reprehensible.
|
| 11.1264 | And Sinden has the gaul to whine about Milbury takin his head scout | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Sat Jul 20 1996 16:13 | 10 |
|
Typical Sinden. He spent big last year and it bit 'em in da booty so
this year he's takin the other route with players like McCleary ect.
Barry Ritcher (the guy from the StRangers org) was voted best D'man in
the AHL last year so he should provide some help on the blue line. The
other guys are just plumbers to go along with Hienze and the rest of
local 249.
Jerry
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| 11.1265 | I missed this one | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Jul 22 1996 10:32 | 6 |
| Jerry, do I understand you correctly that the Bruins signed Barry Richter
away from the Rangers' organization? I wasn't aware he was a free agent.
Do you have any further details? This is an excellent pick up for Boston,
in my opinion.
Steve
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| 11.1266 | Dog track time for Harry | MYLIFE::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy SHR3-1/P32 237-2468 | Mon Jul 22 1996 10:52 | 13 |
| Richter's signing was announced last week, along with Troy
Mallette and Sheldon Kennedy.
It looks like Sniden is moving the team towards the Devils
and Panthers in terms of style. One scoring line (Oates and
whoever), and the rest will be bangers. The end results probably
won't change, but it will be cheaper.
Harry needs to stop whining. He threw quite the fit when Gordie
Clark went to the Islanders, and still can't admit that he screwed
up with the Kevin Stevens trade.
Mike
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| 11.1267 | Speaking of signings... | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Jul 22 1996 11:09 | 17 |
| Thanks, Mike. Sounds to me as if the Bruins might actually be a bit better
this season, if less entertaining.
Meanwhile, of course, Wayne Gretzky has rejoined his old buddies Mark
Messier and Kevin Lowe in New York, signing (as CNN International reported
it) a two-year $10M contract (and turning down a 3-year $18M deal with
another team).
I'm delighted about it. Since Ranger games are the only ones I see (except
for visits to the US), this will be my first chance to watch Gretzky and
the other New York Oilers play an entire season. It comes a bit late in
his career, but I expect to enjoy it nonetheless. It'll be particularly
interesting to see what the effect is on Alexei Kovalev, a wonderfully
talented player who at this point in his career may be the greatest
underachiever in NHL history.
Steve
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| 11.1268 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Jul 22 1996 11:09 | 10 |
| Steve, I'm sorry I didn't give details about Harry's moves. I forgot
about you out in Beer-tasets-good-land. I have no doubt that these are
well researched picks and there are many "finds" out of the AHL
especially where the big club is well stacked as the Rangers
purportedly are on defense. Certainly I have tons more confidence in
Harry's ability to find a bargain than with the phony running the
Redsox.
But to get to the very top Harry and Jacobs will have to spend serious
money.
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| 11.1269 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Mon Jul 22 1996 11:15 | 10 |
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Barry Richter?
Any more details on the guy? Defenseman? He doesn't ring a bell.
Chap
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| 11.1270 | Barry Richter | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Jul 22 1996 12:08 | 11 |
| Yes, a defenseman, out of the University of Wisconsin, drafted by Whalers
32nd overall in 1988. Runs about 6'2", 190 lb., pretty good mobility. I
think he was part of the deal that also brought Pat Verbeek to New York,
but I'm not 100% sure.
He's been unable to crack the Rangers' veteran defense core (which may say
as much about Ranger management as about Richter), but has been dominant in
the AHL. On the few occasions he's played in New York, he's looked to me
like he's ready for the NHL.
Steve
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| 11.1271 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Fri Aug 30 1996 16:38 | 10 |
| Is No one following the World Cup thing being played around the world?
Real Hockey is very exciting but since the nhl over expanded to such a
degree it is extremely rare. The very best single sporting event in
the history of the world could be the Canada teams victory over Russia
in Moscow in 1972 in oblivion.
God do I hate the people who run tv and sports tv in this country. My
friend had it down to college basketball period in the 70s and now just
follows (and writes) amateur running.
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| 11.1272 | | FABSIX::C_BOLDEN | | Sat Aug 31 1996 03:40 | 17 |
|
I watch some of the games from the European divison. Basically
it will be North American final between Canada, Russia and/or USA.
Two of these teams will make the finals. The Finns could sneak
into the final with their defense. The USA and Canada game will
be rock/sock em game. I expect a lot of hits in this game.
Yes, I really do hate the tv sports personal in this country.
Rotten programming in this country for sports, especially the
olympics. Bunch of birdbrains and pinheads run the tv sports
in this country.
/Craig
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| 11.1273 | | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Sat Aug 31 1996 14:58 | 14 |
|
Did watch a bit of Canada vs Russia the other night. Both teams
looked good with Russia a team of younger faster players and Canada
having the Medicare/Good one with his sister Messyhair. Even with
that Team Canada is the team to beat. Sakic, Lindros, Shannahan up
front with Desjardians, Foote and Stevens will be to much for most
teams. I was impressed with the Russia in one way they did not back
down from Lindros and company. Kasperiatis, plays for the Fish Sticks,
dropped the gloves and threw hands with Lindros and for the most part
they didn't back down. USA - Canada will be a good match up. Both
are physical teams will play it tough.
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| 11.1274 | Great hockey | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Sep 02 1996 06:56 | 30 |
| I'm watching it as best I can. The European TV rights are owned by some
Swiss outfit, and the German rights have been acquired by DSF, Germany's
poor man's answer to ESPN. They're showing the whole tournament live on
their digital satellite outfit, which means that about 10 people nationwide
can watch it. They're also showing an hour of excerpts on the regular
cable outfit at about 2 PM the following day, so my VCR is getting a
workout.
Here, of course, the big news is Germany's defeat of the Czech Republic
the other day. All credit to the Germans for working their tails off,
but what a disappointment the Czechs were. Of course, the forwards are
taking most of the heat, especially Jagr and Nedved, but the defense and
goaltending were catastrophic. And where was Dominik Hasek? Turek and
Briza are decent goalers, but only Hasek would have a prayer against the
barrage of rubber the defense is letting through.
Great victory for the US over Canada, the first ever in Canada (World)
Cup play.
And I have to say I think the Russians were jobbed against Canada. The
first goal did not have to be disallowed (though I admit to do so was
defensible). And the officials screwed up mightily on the too-many-men
situation. If Khabibulin was not off the ice in time, the penalty should
have been called immediately. If he was off, the goal should have counted.
I have no idea where he was, as the TV coverage did not show him leaving
the ice, though the German announcer said he was going off.
Promises to be an outstanding tournament.
Steve
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| 11.1275 | Still think Team Canada is the team to beat | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Tue Sep 03 1996 10:34 | 8 |
|
Team USA beat Team Russia last night 5-2. Only saw a bit but it
seems Team USA is better than expected. Team USA got Slovakia tonight
then on to round 2.
Jerry
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| 11.1276 | 1979 worse than 1978 for many | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Tue Sep 03 1996 10:49 | 4 |
| Jerry who is televising the Cup? Nesn? Deuce? Nickolodeon?
Steve, You want to tell Jerry, myself, Frank... about too many men on
the ice? Trust me, we know all about it.
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| 11.1277 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | | Tue Sep 03 1996 11:29 | 2 |
|
What is this note doing in the SPORTS notesfile?
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| 11.1278 | USA by 3 | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Tue Sep 03 1996 14:35 | 6 |
|
Nesn, SportsChanel NE and maybe da duece. The USA Slovakia game is
on Sportschannel tonight.
Jerry
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| 11.1279 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Tue Sep 03 1996 14:53 | 1 |
| Well I don't have sc but that's okay, tonight is Niles night
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| 11.1280 | | FABSIX::R_LUCHT | "Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof" | Wed Sep 04 1996 05:22 | 2 |
| A better question is what are ignorant Groaners doing in the SPORTS
notesfile?
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| 11.1281 | Very impressive | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Fri Sep 06 1996 10:44 | 11 |
| Got home last night and watched the video of the US' last two games, and
have to say beating Canada was no fluke. Even given the Russians' history
of sandbagging in preliminary rounds, the Americans handled them pretty
easily. Clearly, they have the best defense in the tournament. I'd say
they've got a real shot at the whole thing.
Billte, I know you know about too many men. What I think I was asking (it
was so long ago) is if any of you know where Khabibulin was when the sixth
Russian skated onto the ice. Or indeed if the officials knew.
Steve
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| 11.1282 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Fri Sep 06 1996 15:11 | 7 |
| Steve, what's taken for granted around here is that everyone knows
about the Bruins losing a Stanley Cup because of too many many on the
ice ('79 I think, Heath takes the anniversary off and dons sackcloth
and ashes like many manic Bruins faithful).
I'll look in TV guide and see if I can find a Cup game I can watch. I
may even take NESN if the Redsox survive Chicago this weekend.
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| 11.1283 | those canadiens sure love their hockey | FABSIX::E_MAXWELL | The torture never stops... | Sat Sep 07 1996 02:40 | 6 |
|
An announced crowd of only 13,422 turned out at the 21,361-seat
Molson Centre to watch Team canada beat team germany 4 - 1.
Lil Ed
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| 11.1284 | Very big deal to the Germans | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Clean living and a fast outfield | Mon Sep 09 1996 08:29 | 29 |
| > An announced crowd of only 13,422 turned out at the 21,361-seat
> Molson Centre to watch Team canada beat team germany 4 - 1.
Most likely they were being gouged in the wallet to see what should have
been a very one-sided game. They'll be there for the finals.
The fact that it wasn't is a moral victory for the German side. Many of
them had said after the game with the Czechs that they hoped their opponent
would be Canada, the general tenor being, "If we're going to play one game
and out, we'd like it to be against some of the legends of hockey history."
Add to that that some of the Germans are in fact Canadians (like Benoit
Doucet and Mark Mackay), and you can imagine how they felt. To lose by
only 4-1 must feel almost like winning. There was a nice article in
Saturday's S�ddeutsche that I should have posted, it would have given you
a good sense of what it looked like from over here. "Just to be on the
ice with Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier is something I'll remember all my
life" and that sort of thing. Also an amusing account of Mackay inviting
his junior teammate and now opponent (don't remember who) for a beer after
the game and being told, "Can't make it, we're boarding a plane for the
next game," and Mackay thinking, yeah, but what if *we're* playing in that
next game?
BTW I never did hear why Olaf K�lzig (that's how they're spelling it here,
since he discovered his German ancestors) was replaced by Pepi Heiss in
goal. Did he have a commitment to return to the Caps? Did he lose the
job? Anybody know?
Steve
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| 11.1285 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Mon Sep 16 1996 10:35 | 25 |
| 11.1286 | Poor baby needs his rest | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Two months to Maui - Go UMass! | Mon Sep 16 1996 11:04 | 9 |
| 11.1287 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Mon Sep 16 1996 11:07 | 17 |
| 11.1288 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Mon Sep 16 1996 11:08 | 21 |
| 11.1289 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Sep 16 1996 11:30 | 9 |
| 11.1290 | :-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Mon Sep 16 1996 12:30 | 6 |
| 11.1291 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Mon Sep 16 1996 12:47 | 9 |
| 11.1292 | | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Mon Sep 16 1996 13:54 | 4 |
| 11.1293 | | NQOS01::nqsrv127.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 16 1996 14:14 | 7 |
| 11.1294 | | MYLIFE::mccarthy | Mike McCarthy SHR3-1/P32 237-2468 | Mon Sep 16 1996 14:29 | 11 |
| 11.1295 | how ironic | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Sep 16 1996 14:29 | 3 |
| 11.1296 | | PTOSS1::SCHRAMME | Eric Schramm (412)829-0710 | Mon Sep 16 1996 16:43 | 7 |
| 11.1297 | | NQOS01::nqsrv237.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 16 1996 20:34 | 7 |
| 11.1298 | 96-97 NHL Schedule | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Oct 04 1996 14:37 | 1471 |
| 11.1299 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Thu Oct 10 1996 07:33 | 7 |
| 11.1300 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu Oct 10 1996 10:23 | 25 |
| 11.1301 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Mon Dec 16 1996 08:42 | 1 |
| 11.1302 | I'll sleep better. | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Mon Jan 13 1997 06:08 | 2 |
| 11.1303 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Mon Jan 13 1997 09:46 | 3 |
| 11.1304 | File under: Wishful thinking | SALEM::DODA | One World within.... | Tue Jan 14 1997 09:34 | 3 |
| 11.1305 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Jan 14 1997 10:30 | 1 |
| 11.1306 | Hi Jim | MKOTS3::LONG | Taxation without representation | Tue Jan 14 1997 10:55 | 4 |
| 11.1307 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Jan 14 1997 11:59 | 3 |
| 11.1308 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Tue Jan 14 1997 12:50 | 6 |
| 11.1309 | | SALEM::DODA | One World within.... | Tue Jan 14 1997 14:23 | 1 |
| 11.1310 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Jan 14 1997 14:45 | 7 |
| 11.1311 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Fri Jan 17 1997 14:42 | 4 |
| 11.1312 | Maxed at one third of the league | RTOMS1::SHERMANS | The former MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Mon Jan 20 1997 08:39 | 9 |
| 11.1313 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Mon Jan 20 1997 08:51 | 3 |
| 11.1314 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Mon Jan 20 1997 08:57 | 2 |
| 11.1315 | I CAN count to seven | RTOMS1::SHERMANS | The former MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Mon Jan 20 1997 09:42 | 34 |
| 11.1316 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Mon Jan 20 1997 09:46 | 1 |
| 11.1317 | | CHEFS::TRAFFIC | Reservoir Mod | Mon Jan 20 1997 10:37 | 4 |
| 11.1318 | Oh Canada... | RTOMS2::SHERMANS | The former MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Mon Jan 20 1997 11:22 | 15 |
| 11.1319 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Wed Mar 26 1997 08:56 | 15 |
| Okay, all the reports are leaning HEAVILY towards the Whalers being out of here
next season.
The way it goes, Gov. Rowland made his final offer, and the Whalers didn't
accept it.
News conference at 2:00 p.m. for the *official* announcement.
Actually, I'm glad. First off, my already high taxes won't go up to support
some millionaire owner, and second, we might get MORE Bruins coverage in the
Hartford Courant....
'Saw
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| 11.1320 | | PKOW52::BURROWS | Racers Ready...3...2...1... | Wed Mar 26 1997 09:15 | 7 |
|
>>> ... we might get MORE Bruins coverage in the Hartford Courant....
Probably not much to be glad about there until Harry takes a hike.
CBB
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| 11.1321 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Wed Mar 26 1997 09:47 | 11 |
| |
|>>> ... we might get MORE Bruins coverage in the Hartford Courant....
|
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| Probably not much to be glad about there until Harry takes a hike.
|
| CBB
Yabbut, anything is better than the column inch we get now....
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| 11.1322 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu Mar 27 1997 09:04 | 10 |
| Well, it is official. The Whalers will be moving out of Hartford at the end of
June.
Can't say I'm all broke up over it....
Further, it was pretty funny at the press conference yesterday. Gov. Rowland
made a little Freudian slip. He meant to say "One of the final sticking
points was..." but instead said "One of the final STAKING points was..."
Glad my tax dollars aren't going to bail this team out any more....
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| 11.1323 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Thu Mar 27 1997 09:42 | 9 |
|
> Well, it is official. The Whalers will be moving out of Hartford at the end of
> June.
What'll become of the Mall? Hartford is the only place around where
you can go to Filene's and see a hockey game break out...
glenn
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| 11.1324 | to think I first used bball slang for "sells out" | MKOTS3::BREEN | From Thurs to Sunday | Thu Mar 27 1997 09:47 | 2 |
| I would think they could make a go of a woman's basketball franchise.
The UConn woman's basketball team sells out Gompers.
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| 11.1325 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Thu Mar 27 1997 10:09 | 21 |
| Well, actually, there's not a Filenes at the Civic Center. In fact, there are
rarely any shops there that I would go to just to go to shop.
They'll still use it for concerts, and stuff like that. UCONN plays some homes
games there, as does the University of Hartford.
In addition the women's pro hoops league has a team there. I haven't been to
one of their games, but my friends have, and let's just say that the spectators
there fill a decidedly certain tyep of niche in society. I don't want to
mention what niche because it seems these days identify anyone different from
yourself generates a reaction somewhat akin to calling an artillery barrage on
your position.
The CT Pride, a CBA team I believe plays there.
I would expect that a minor league hockey franchise might spring up -- perfect
place for them.
Will it affect downtown? Probably not, IMO.
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| 11.1326 | And how about that Tara Lipinski! | MKOTS3::BREEN | From Thurs to Sunday | Thu Mar 27 1997 11:16 | 5 |
| Frank, you wouldn't be saying that if a certain party could get there
by trolley, the air conditioning never failed and Hamblisch played the
piano at halftime he'd gladly be part of that niche.
All kidding aside, the wbl's seem to be going the other way.
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| 11.1327 | No professional hockey teams left in the area now... | SALEM::DODA | Pacing the cage | Fri Mar 28 1997 08:24 | 9 |
| <<< Note 11.1322 by CAM::WAY "and keep me steadfast" >>>
>Well, it is official. The Whalers will be moving out of Hartford at the end of
>June.
Apparently it's San Diego. That explains the mass suicide out
there.
daryll
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| 11.1328 | :-) (Where was OJ at the time?) | MKOTS3::BREEN | From Thurs to Sunday | Fri Mar 28 1997 09:35 | 1 |
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| 11.1329 | | BRLLNT::LONG | Taxation without representation | Fri Mar 28 1997 10:23 | 4 |
| OJ was last seen on a grassy knoll just outside the house.
billl
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| 11.1330 | | CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI | Braves, 1914 1957 1995 WS Champs | Fri Mar 28 1997 10:54 | 6 |
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.... peeking through a hole in a one dollar bill made by cutting out
the eye on the top of the pyramid.
George
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