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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1619.0. "Engine pumps" by UNYEM::BLUMJ () Tue Aug 09 1994 12:55

    My towplane is progressing steadily to the point where I am asking
    questions about fuel tank placement. 
    
    I will be using a 24 oz. tank and some folks are recommending the
    use of a pump.  My pattern friend Todd Sheehan has specifically
    recommended a Klein(sp?) pump.
    
    What do you guys think about pumps - are they a good idea?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jim
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1619.1My 2 centsSNAX::SMITHI FEEL THE NEEDTue Aug 09 1994 13:3422
    Jim,
    
    	The need for a pump would be determined by the placement of the
    fuel tank. Where your building a stock plane to be used for towing as
    opposed to wild aerobatics, go with the instructions.
    
    	If the plans call for the tank to be right behind the firewall and
    you can get the center of the tank "about" even with the carb, no pump
    should be necessary. If the tank is back under the wing, or if you
    choose to put the tank back there, a pump will be necessary.
    
    	In my poinion, pumps just complicate things and if you can avoid
    it, do so. If your considering changing the tank placement, you'll also
    need to consider where your going to mount the pump. You'll have to
    make sure its accessible for adjustments etc. You can do a certain
    amount of "setup" on a test stand, but if you need any fine tuning,
    you'll need to be able to get to the pump.
    
    	If the main purpose of this plane is to tow gliders, a changing CG
    due to fuel usage shouldn't even come into play. You won't burn enough
    fuel during a tow to make any difference. So, basically unless your
    planning on doing some precision aerobatics with your tow plane, KISS.
1619.2Steve's Dead OnLEDS::WATTWed Aug 10 1994 17:3413
    Jim,
    	I agree with Steve 100%.  You should not need a pump - and I would
    not worry one bit about changing CG with fuel load.  This ain't a
    pattern ship.  You will get trim changes with throttle changes, you
    will get roll with rudder and other things that sport planes do that
    would be undesirable for a pattern ship.  Keep your setup simple and it
    will be more reliable.  All pattern ships use pumped engines for two
    reasons:  To allow the tank to be on the CG so you do not get a trim
    change as the fuel burns.  To keep the engine from changing mixture on
    long verticals.
    
    Charlie
    
1619.3UNYEM::BLUMJThu Aug 11 1994 10:1712
    I would prefer not to use a pump, if for no other reason than the
    cost savings.
    
    It was presented to me that a pump would increase, not decrease the
    reliability of the engine by providing a constant fuel flow.
    
    Thanks for the information.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Jim
1619.4UNYEM::BLUMJThu Aug 11 1994 10:2917
    RE: -1
    
    I will start without a pump and see how it works.  I can always
    add it later.  This airplane has a fiberglass fuselage with no
    bulkheads so ease of access is not an issue.
    
    The Klein pump apparently requires drilling a hole in the crankcase
    which I do not want to do if I do not have to.
    
    Also I may not need to use a 24 oz. tank, although this was what was
    recommended.  I will wait to see what the fuel consumption is on
    the engine I finally choose.  A smaller tank should present less of
    a CG issue.
    
    Good luck at the Glen, N.Y. meet!  Try to say hi to my clubmate
    Todd Sheehan who will be flying a R/C city Punch in advanced.
     
1619.5Will DoLEDS::WATTThu Aug 11 1994 11:2210
    Jim,
    	Eric and I will be competing in Advanced also at Glen.  
    
    Your decision to nix the pump is a good one.  I don't think they
    improve reliability and they definately add more things that can cause
    problems if they are not right.  Pumps are necessary in some
    applications but not in yours.
    
    Charlie