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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1421.0. "whip type aerial on Futaba radio ?" by GALVIA::ECULLEN (It will never fly, Wright !) Thu Apr 16 1992 10:12

    Has anyone converted from using the traditional extendable aerial to
    the short rubber stub type on the Futaba sets ? I have never seen them
    (Futaba) advertise them. Multiplex offer them on some of their sets. It
    would be great to use them as they won't get in the way as much and get
    broken. I must break one a year and bend them a lot more often !
    
    Eric();
    
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1421.1No problem on the groundVTLAKE::VTLAKE::WHITE_RPigs don't IntermodalFri Apr 17 1992 14:135
    Eric, I've seen them used on car radios (pistol grip and 2 stick) with
    no problems of glitching or radio interference from neighboring
    channels.  Have not seem them used in the air.
    
    Robert
1421.2Whip it goodLEDS::COHENWhat do I drive? a Taylor-Made!Thu Apr 23 1992 15:0413

    Range experienced in ground application is typically less than 100
    Yards.  Airborne systems typically go out beyond 400.

    That means what's suitable for ground based use is not necessarily good
    for airborne use.

    And, if you do go out of range on the ground, you just have to wait till
    you run into something.  If you go out of range in the air, you also
    have to wait to run into something.  There are more somethings to run
    into on the ground than in the air.  I prefer to go out of range on the
    ground, thank you.
1421.3Range reduced to half with whip aerialsKBOMFG::KLINGENBERGFri Apr 24 1992 05:3417
    As far as I know, the whip aerials are offered by Multiplex for most
    all systems that have usually aerials without coil (since late
    seventies). They (Multiplex) warn however that the range might be
    reduced to half. If you take into account that many Multplex systems
    are used for big sailplanes, this is definately an application where
    you would not want to change for a whip aerial. For small planes that
    can't be controlled over long distances anyway because of their size,
    the whip aerials work flawlessly. I assume that for most power flyers
    they are okay as well (since power planes usually are kept close to the
    field and the pilot). Not sure about cases where interference is an
    issue (big gas engines etc.). And the whip aerials are offered here (in
    Germany) for use in 27, 35 and 40 MHz applications. I have no idea
    whether they work as well in 72 Mhz ranges.
    
    Best regards,
                  Hartmut
                         
1421.4Why Sacrafice RangeLEDS::WATTFri Apr 24 1992 08:575
    I surely wouldn't sacrafice range (safety margin) for the convenience
    of a whip antenna!  It ain't worth it.
    
    Charlie
    
1421.5Insufficient motivation to try them myself.ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGHCeramic Nose Puppys here now !Fri Apr 24 1992 11:0213
    There's a guy in Calif. that sells these small black, fat, ~12" long
    flexible antennas as used on walkie-talkies, hand-held CBs, etc.
    I assume that this is what we're talking about.
    
    His models are for Airtronics and other popular American brands.
    
    I've only seen them used for gliders at a couple of the Az. contests,
    and I've asked the users how they like them and how they affect the
    range. They've all said that they've noticed no difference.
    
    FWIW.
    
    Terry
1421.6output loadingPCL::JAMESObject DisorientedFri Apr 24 1992 17:589
Hey, guys, doesn't shortening the antenna load up the output stage more?

Seems to me that the antenna is part of a tuned system that resonates at
the Tx frequency.  Messing with the length, at least without a coil, will
create standing waves that can cook the output transistor.

Is true?  And don't the Tx instructions say not to operate with the antenna
pushed in?

1421.7Base loadedVTLAKE::VTLAKE::WHITE_RPigs don't IntermodalSun Apr 26 1992 20:326
    re -1
    
    You're right, but the whip antennaes alleviate this problem with a
    large coil at the base of the antennae.  Thus the term "base loaded."
    
    Robert
1421.8GALVIA::ECULLENIt will never fly, Wright !Mon Apr 27 1992 10:225
    Interesting replies. Looks like I might just stick to the normal
    antennae. I might write to Futaba to see if they recommend any and
    what are the limitations if any.
    
    Eric.