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1345.1 | Eagle notes | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Mon Aug 12 1991 15:41 | 17 |
| Interesting you should mention Mark Allen's Eagle, I was looking throug
an old 1988 Model Builder and Bill Forey's column was mentioning new
soaring offerings. Among these was the Nisus, now known as the Swift
400, and the Eagle, billed as the first U.S. made production f3b ship.
What really stood out in Forey's description of the Eagle was the
strength of the wing, exemplified by placing it between two chairs 59"
apart and letting 215 pound Mark Allen sit on it. They claim the wing
cannot be broken by winch launching. The airfoil is supposed to be
a special adaptation of the Selig 3010, developed for the Eagle by
Michael Selig himself.
As a side note, does anyone know a good source for 1 piece foam core
wings, presheeted, F3b airfoils?
Regards,
Jim
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1345.2 | F3B general info | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Tue Aug 13 1991 12:20 | 27 |
| The first of a series. Thanks to Phil Renaud, '87 Nat'l team member,
for this outline.
F3B is the international class for soaring competition.
F - FAI designation for model aircraft.
3 - FAI " " R/C "
B - FAI " " thermal/duration sailplanes.
Event designed to measure all around performance of pilot, airplane,
launch equipment, and team.
Thermal/duration and spot landing performance.
Distance performance.
Speed performance.
Competition is man on man.
Eliminates luck factor due to weather conditions.
Winner is contestant with highest number of total points.
World championship events are flown to F3B rules.
" " are held every two years.
Next: Americans in F3B.
Terry
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1345.3 | American performance in F3B | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Tue Aug 13 1991 15:18 | 27 |
| Americans did quite well in the early years, pre- 1979.
Competitive aircraft designs were similar to existing AMA thermal
duration models.
Good thermal duration and spot landing experience.
Americans have not done well in recent years because of:
Lack of F3B contest experience. AMA thermal duration is dominant
event in U.S. contests
Lack of F3B equipment. (Radios, planes, winches, etc.)
Seeming inability of the American modelling community to:
-Design and build competitive, molded fiberglass models
-To accept the fact that F3B is no longer a competition between
pilots, but is truly a TEAM event where all team members share
an equal role in winning and losing.
Sport multi-task designed to bridge gap between AMA and F3B events.
Introduction of distance and speed tasks.
Improve all around sailplane performance.
Wing loading limit to keep speeds reasonable.
Next: What constitutes an F3B contest?
Terry
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1345.4 | What constitutes an F3B Contest ? | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Wed Aug 14 1991 13:26 | 32 |
| Two or more rounds where each round consists of:
Duration
Distance
Speed
Pilot may enter up to two planes but must use the same plane for
the entire round( ie, pilot can only swap planes between rounds)
Airplanes are limited to:
Max. weight: Less than 5 kg. (11 lbs.) with ballast
Max. wing loading: Less than 23 oz./ sq. ft.
Contestants supply their own winches.
Winches must have an internal resistance of at least 15 milli-ohms
and are therefore less powerful than Ford longshaft starter motors.
Winches must have and use an anti-kiting device (brake).
Each pilot is limited to four helpers, one of which is designated
the team manager. Team manager is the official spokesman for the
team, ie, all protests, arguements, and brawls must be routed through
him.
Next: Contest organization/field setup
Terry
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1345.5 | F3B Contest Organization/Field Set-up | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Wed Aug 14 1991 15:33 | 37 |
| Contest Director:
Responsible for overall contest organization and direction.
Task Leaders:
Responsible for organizing contest helpers for each task (duration,
distance, and speed).
Timers/flaggers:
Responsible to their respective Task Leader for timing the
contestants in duration, distance and speed.
Responsible for flagging the models on the distance and speed
course. ["flagging", is a misnomer as turns are signaled with
audio tones].
Flight Line Helpers
Responsible for general flow and organization at the winch line.
Winch Set-UP:
Provisions will be made to set up all winches into the wind.
Turn-arounds may be placed no more than 200 m (656 ft.) from the
winch.
Each team will be allocated about 1.5 m of space on line for their
winches. [such tight spacing is necessary to prevent the row of
winches from becoming unresonably long, at the larger contests.
Even so, the contestants down the line are at a disadvantage being
so far from the sighting rings and having to walk up to them after
the launch on speed and distance tasks].
Line retreiving is only on foot, and the line is pulled down to
the turn-around after each launch to prevent fouling adjacent
lines.
Next:Contest Operations-Definitions
Terry
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1345.6 | Contest Operations--Definitions | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 15 1991 15:29 | 39 |
| Flight Group:
A group of pilots (usually 4) assigned to fly against each other.
Flight groups are assigned by the CD in such a way that team members
do not fly against team mates.
Preparatory time:
Prep time (normally 5 min.) is the time allocated for each flight
group to set up their winches and prepare for their flight.
Working time:
The actual time window in which each flight group must fly their
task. No score, including landing points, will be allowed for that
portion of the flight completed after working time has expired.
Working time for each task is:
Duration: 9 minutes
Distance: 7 min.
Speed: 5 min.
Protest:
A seven letter expletive.
Reflight:
A second attempt/flight awarded to a pilot as a result of winning
a protest or being interfered with in some way. Most reflights are
a result of crossed or fouled winch lines during launching, or as
a result of a contest officials error. If the reason for the reflight
is not the pilots fault, he gets to keep the highest score of the
two flights.
Terry
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1345.7 | Contest Operations--Duration Task | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 15 1991 15:39 | 21 |
| Task Objective:
To remain airborne for exactly 6 minutes to the second. One point
is deducted from 360 for every second over or under 6 minutes.
Time starts when the model is released from the tow line and stops
when the model comes to a REST on the ground. [time spent sliding
on the ground is counted as flight time. You'll never see an F3B
plane with saw tooth landing skids.]
Additional landing points (up to 100) are awarded for spot landings.
Working time: 9 minutes.
Number of relaunches: No limit, last flight counts for score.
Scoring: Man on man within flight group. Highest scoring pilot's
score is normallized to 1000 points. Other pilots receive a percentage
of winner's points.
E.g. if A =460 points and B = 400 points, then A's score would
be 1000 and B's score would be (400/460)*1000= 870 points.
Terry
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1345.8 | Contest Operation--Distance Task | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 15 1991 15:48 | 20 |
| Task Objective:
To complete as many legs (laps) of a 150 meter long course as possible
in 4 minutes. The 150 m course is established by two sighting hoops
(plane A and plane B) located 150m apart. The contest helpers (aka
callers) signal the pilot when the nose of the fuselage of the glider
passes the sighting plane established by the sighting hoops. The
4 minute clock starts when the glider passes plane A in the direction
of plane B.
Working time: 7 minutes.
Number of relaunches: No limit, last counts for score. Four minute
clock restarts with each relaunch. No points awarded for laps completed
after four minute clock or working time clock expire.
Scoring: Same as duration task. Most number of laps normallized
to 1000 points.
Terry
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1345.9 | Contest Operations--Speed Task | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 15 1991 15:57 | 23 |
| Task Objective:
To complete 4 legs (2 laps) of a 150 meter course in the shortest
time.
Sighting hoops and signals, the same as in distance task.
Pilots receive 0 points if safety line is crossed. (line running
parallel to course, between winches and course.
Working time: 5 minutes.
Number of relaunches: No limit, however the pilot may only enter
the speed course once.
Scoring: Not man on man. Otherwise the same as distance and duration.
Lowest time for 4 legs normallized to 1000 points.
Th-h-h-ats all folks.
Terry
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1345.10 | Speed task | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Thu Aug 15 1991 17:26 | 5 |
| What is a competitve time for the speed task?
Thanks,
Jim
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1345.11 | Assuming good flying conditions | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 15 1991 18:51 | 3 |
| <19 seconds to have a chance; 17 to 18 seconds to be with the front
runners.
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1345.12 | F3B speeds | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Fri Aug 16 1991 18:07 | 22 |
| Just to put the F3B speed task into perspective, I figured out the
speed as follows:
time in sec speed in mph
*********** ************
17 = 72.2
18 = 68.2
19 = 64.6
20 = 61.4
21 = 58.4
22 = 55.6
23 = 53.4
24 = 51.1
25 = 49.1
The actual speeds are higher because I could not calculate the added
distance the for the 3 turns. This is close enough though.
Regards,
Jim
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1345.13 | Can lose 40 mph in the turns too | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Fri Aug 16 1991 18:25 | 27 |
| re.12
Thanks Jim, I was hoping someone would calculate those out.
Minimizing the added distance in the turn is what making a good
speed run is all about, plus minimizing horz. and vert. deviations
on the straights.
A good caller is essential. The caller yells "roll", just at the
right time before the turn is reached. The pilot stands the plane
on a wing tip. The caller then yells "turn", and the pilot
pulls it around with the elevator.
It takes a lot of practice and good depth perception to know the
right moment to call, especially when looking at it from an angle,
150 meters away.
The near turn is easier since the sighting hoop is right in front
of you. Even so, the pilot relies on the caller, because he doesn't
have time to watch both the plane and the hoop and keep them both
in focus.
Surprisingly, they keep the rudder coupled to the ailerons when
rolling up and the yaw couple isn't noticeable in the second
or so before he pulls around the turn.
Terry
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1345.14 | Speed....Ah.....Makes my knees weak just thinking about it.... | NEURON::ANTRY | | Tue Aug 20 1991 12:12 | 2 |
| My personal best attempt at F3b Speed was with my KING and it was 24 seconds,
I'll never forget it!!!!!!
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1345.15 | Siting Device Questions | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Thu Aug 22 1991 16:29 | 7 |
| Could the use of the sighting device mentioned be more clearly
explained. Who uses it (pilot,caller,judge), who provides it,
what is it made of, how is it positioned?
Thanks,
Jim
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1345.16 | Wire and tripod | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Thu Aug 22 1991 17:00 | 23 |
| The sighting device is a hoop of ~ 1/4" wire bent in a ~15" circle
and mounted on top of a camera tripod. The tripod is extended to
eye level.
To use it, you sight across both sides of the hoop, ie, one side
of the hoop is hidden behind the other so that only one side is
visible when your eye is correctly positioned.
This insures that the callers line of sight is exactly
perpendicular to the flight path.
A hoop is placed at each end of the 150 m course. The caller at
each end, signals the pilot when the nose of the fuselage cuts the
sighting plane. The signal is by audio tone, and is meant to insure
that the pilot doesn't cut the turn short; no tone, no turn, go
back and do it again.
The caller at the near end actually tells the pilot when to turn
by voice. If the pilot waited until he heard the tone to turn, reaction
time would cause him to add many meters to the actual distance flown.
On a perfectly called turn, the pilot doesn't go more than one fuselage
length beyond the sighting plane. This is why a good caller is
essential for setting fast times.
Terry
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1345.17 | Remember the two hopes have to be parallel to each other... | NEURON::ANTRY | | Fri Aug 23 1991 20:02 | 13 |
| They mearly represents two planes (geometrically speaking) that are parallel to
each other, in the distance task you may fly on either side of the sighting
device and even you are not limited where you fly, just as long as you cross
the planes, now in speed the same is true but there is a saftey line involved
that is usually on the winch side of the course or easier said you have to
fly on the side of the course that is away from the winch, this also allows
you the pilot to line yourself up with the sighting device on the pilot end.
You refer to the planes as BASE A being the one closest to the pilot and BASE B
as the one farthest away.
At the Denver 1991 team qualifier we used a telescoping pole with two strings
that came down to the ground and you used the two strings to sight on.
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1345.18 | New F3B speed record | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | A Fistful of Epoxy | Mon Aug 26 1991 11:47 | 14 |
| I just heard about this:
A week ago at the Macintosh, N.M. sod farm, Seth Dawson from Phoenix
set a new AMA F3B speed record with his Omega of 15.8 seconds on
the 600 meter speed run.
They met all the AMA requirements of immediate remeasurement, number
of timers, AMA CD present, etc., so it will go into the books as
a new record.
This is also faster than the present FAI record, but it won't be
recognized because they didn't have all the prerequisite FAI conditions
in place.
Terry
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1345.19 | corrected f3b speeds | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Mon Aug 26 1991 14:50 | 20 |
| re: reply #12
When I calculated the speeds for the f3b speed task in reply #12,
I mistakenly based the calculation on a distance of 600 yards instead
of 600 meters. The corrected calculations, including the new record
aree listed below:
TIME IN SECONDS SPEED IN MPH
*************** *************
15.8 = 84.9
16 = 83.9
17 = 78.9
18 = 74.5
19 = 70.6
20 = 67.1
21 = 63.9
22 = 61.0
23 = 58.3
24 = 55.9
25 = 53.7
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1345.20 | ? | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Thu Aug 29 1991 14:47 | 4 |
| F3B World Champs. concludes this weekend. As of last night, no word
on how the U.S. team is doing.
Terry
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1345.21 | Diverse experience | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Thu Aug 29 1991 16:50 | 23 |
| One thing I have noticed about our hobby, is how it tends to "polarize"
many participants. Some do thermal duration and scoff at F3b, some
fly slope only, many power flyers won't even look at a glider and vice
versa. This year's F3B team really shows how diversity apparently
makes for an excellent all around flyer. Lary Jolly is probably the
most consistent glider flyer in America, you can't look at a major
contest and not see his name high up in the rankings. He is
competitive in F3B, Slope racing, Thermal duration, X-Country, and
handlauch. I have seen his picture in old mags for pylon racing,
and he also flys RC helicopters. HE really has done it all! Joe
Wurts is always competitive in any type of glider competition from
hand launch to slope racing to X-Country. Daryll Perkins also fits
the bill. I think we all can learn alot from these guys- that being
that all types of flying can improve your skills. I think Larry Jolly
is due to win in F3B, his consistency has got to pay of sooner or
later. My question is what the h*ll do these guys do for a living?
They seem to have so much time available to fly/build, I really envy
them in this regard. Seriously does anyone know what these guys do to
pay the bills?
Regards,
Jim
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1345.22 | Jolly flies for business as well as fun. | STOHUB::JETRGR::EATON | Dan Eaton St.Louis,MO,USA, 445-6522 | Thu Aug 29 1991 17:46 | 3 |
| Don't know about the rest of the dudes but Larry Jolly runs a business flying
models for the movie industry. That and the fuselage/kit business he has means
he gets to write at least some of his fun off as 'business' expenses.
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1345.23 | Bring back Strombecker solid models | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Thu Aug 29 1991 17:59 | 29 |
| Joe Wurts is an aerodynamicist for one of the Calif. aerospace
companies.
Not sure about Jolly and Perkins, but I know who to ask to find
out.
Seth Dawson is a helicopter aerodynamicist for the big aerospace
co. that has the plant at Tempe, AZ. , not MacD. , the name always
escapes me.
Your right about the polarization, but I've noticed that it falls
into two types:
#1 is the person who is fairly (or very) new to R/C and simply thinks
that what they are doing is all there is.
Type 2 is the person that has been in acft. modeling a long time
and tried many facets, and has settled in their present niche for
various reasons, presumabably because that's where they get the
most enjoyment.
Our club has a lot of type 2's and some fly power on sat. and gliders
on sun. (or vice versa) and others rant and rave about noise pollution
and fuel mess, etc. but when you go in their garages you see great
honking class C free flight brutes, and even control line thingies
lurking in the corners.
It's a funny world.
Terry
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1345.24 | Joe Wurts Trivia | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Fri Aug 30 1991 16:00 | 8 |
| Interesting to hear Joe Wurts makes a living in the Aerodynamics field.
As you all probably know, Joe is a modifier of kits and often flys
his own designs. I read somewhere in a magazine that he uses the
"that looks about right" method of design.
Regards,
Jim
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1345.25 | F3B World Championship results | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Wed Sep 04 1991 10:35 | 34 |
| 1st--Joe Wurts--F3B Eagle.
2nd--Daryl Perkins--F3B Eagle or Comet 89T. Not clear yet, which
plane he used.
29th-Larry Jolly--Comet 89T.
Team Award:
1st--Germany
2nd--U.S.
That's all the finishing positions I have at the moment. More as
I get them.
The U.S. would have had a good chance at capturing the team award
if Jolly had finished higher.
On the speed run on the 6th day (4 rounds per day) he cut plane
B short, twice, and had a bad distance round.
Wurts held on to his 150 point lead, out of a total possible of
16K +, and Perkins broke free of a pack of challengers for 2nd place.
It's not unprecedented that a brand new design in its first world
champs would take 1st place, a British team member did it recently,
but I can't recall when a team placed 1-2.
Weather was cold and windy, ie, a Holland summer.
More later.
Terry
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1345.26 | Upcoming F3B/FAI speed record attempt | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Wed Sep 04 1991 11:16 | 26 |
| The local and Phoenix F3B guys will make another attempt to set
the FAI speed record at the sod farm this fall.
They have gotten the FAI registration, or whatever it's called,
good through the rest of the year for $2! through the AMA.
Timing and course measurement requirements are the same as for AMA
reords.
Last months AMA record by Seth Dawson of 15.8 seconds, broke the
old AMA and FAI records by over 1.2 seconds.
Seth was flying an Omega lightly ballasted (400 grams, 14.1 oz.)
at a wing loading of ~ 16 oz., so there is probably more speed to
be had from that plane, although the Omega fliers think that it
does better when loaded more lightly than typical.
Also, they feel that the separate stab and elev. of the Omega gives
them more consistent turns than the stabilator of the Comet. It's
in the turns that Dawson has the advantage.
Our mass order of Omegas will be here by the end of Sept., possibly
in time to get mine ready for our Oct. 13, SMTS event, although
it would be illegal wing loading wise, so will fly the Legend in
competition and just shake down the Omega.
Terry
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1345.27 | | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Wed Sep 04 1991 12:31 | 21 |
| Terry,
Let's hear more about the Omega. Who makes it, airfoil,
winspan/area, weight, cost, etc. My prediction for LArry Jolly
sure proved wrong, although he sure did well in the USA F3B
trials. I think it is safe to say that at the moment Joe Wurts is
the world's top glider guider.
Re: full flying stabs - I think that it takes a real deft touch on
the sticks to fly a machine with a full flying stab, particularly
if you do not have dual rates and the glider is short coupled(ie
Sagitta 600). A small deflection of a full flying stab sure creates
a tremendous change in pitch. I recently set my Sagitta 600 up with
greatly reduced stabilator throws and it really made it a much more
enjoyable ship to fly-much smoother.
Hats off to Wurts and Perkins!!!
Regards,
Jim
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1345.28 | T-tails & Eagles | USRCV1::BLUMJ | | Fri Sep 13 1991 17:07 | 16 |
| The new RCM(October '91) shows a picture of of Mark Allen's f3b
design, the Eagle. It is kind of hard to tell but this ship looks
basically like a Falcon 880 fuselage and empennage. The wing which
will be ofered on the commercial version is the SD7003. Another
picture shows Joe Wurts with his prototype which is said to use
the RG15 airfoil. With the release of this ship(not knowing the
pricing) the search for these esoteric(Kings,Comets,etc) designs from
foreign countries may be over. The thing that really looks different
about this design is the lack of a T-tail. I also notice the new F3b
Synergy from Rich Spicer and his partner(R&R designs?) no longer has
has a T-tail either. Is this the start of a trend? I thought the T-
tail was supposed to have many advantages over the conventional design.
Regards,
Jim
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1345.29 | Build them in Singapore for <$ | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Fri Sep 13 1991 17:42 | 27 |
| The Eagle fuselage is a strengthened and narrowed version of the
Falcon, ~1" wide. It will sell for ~$1000.
Popularity of tail design seems to surge back and forth between
T-tail and non-T tail.
Muller has several designs of both types which have all done well,
and the Omega is a T-tail.
Performance wise it's hard to point to any clear cut advantage of
either type. Theoretically the T-tail has the advantage.
A lot of times I think it comes down to constructional reasons,
ease of building, etc.
For $1000 the Eagle had better be pretty darn esoteric. Actually
there is nothing particularly esoteric about European F3B designs.
They are after all merely the evolution of thermal duration
designs flown to FAI rules. The speed run requirement causes them
to address the strength/low drag side of the equation a little more
throughly than would otherwise be the case. The result is something
that could never be a mass market item, by American hobby industry
standards.
When I pick one up and fondle it (ok, ok, get it out of your systems!)
esoteric isn't the word that comes to mind. "Hernia", maybe...
Terry
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1345.30 | Euro-trip adventures coming up. | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Wed Oct 02 1991 10:47 | 9 |
| At our club meeting last night, Phil and Tom reported in with the
details of their trip to Germany, Sweden, and Switzerland, and the
F3B contest in Munich.
Whoooeee !, what adventures they had ! I'll enter them in installments
as I have the time.
First: Sport flying and talking theory with Dr.Quaback.
Terry
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1345.31 | Sport flying with Dr. Quaback | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Thu Oct 03 1991 14:36 | 30 |
| Upon arriving in Germany (Tom detoured to Sweden to pick up a new
Volvo at the factory) Phil and Tom visited Dr. Quaback. He spent
1 1/2 days with them explaining his theories, and showing them his
new book on launching and speed techniques.
He says that 1/3 of the available altitude should be lost on each
leg of the speed run, his research shows that this is the best
compromise.
For example, entering the course at 300 meters
would give a step of 300, 200 ,134, 90, and crossing the finish
line at 60 meters, which is at least 15X what most people do it
now, but is exactly where most pilots have the most trouble, being
slowest on the last leg due to lack of altitude. So it seems he
may be on to something.
The next day he took them to a Luftsport club near Frankfort
(Bobinghausen ?). Luftsport clubs are where most of the serious
R/C soaring pilots fly. Club members have their choice of full scale
or R/C, and both are done at the same field at the same time, with
no problems. While Phil, Tom, and Dr. Quaback , and others, were
launching and flying off the grass, full scale sailplanes were
launching off the runway 100 meters away. Several hundred meters
in the opposite direction was a Patriot missile battery and a 155mm
howitzer.
When the gun crew begin to raise and lower the barrel in training,
Tom says to Phil, "See, I told ya they didn't like us flying here."
Next: Slope soaring the Alps with Martin Bammert.
Terry
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1345.32 | Slope soaring in the Alps | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Fri Oct 04 1991 14:38 | 42 |
| After leaving Frankfurt, Tom and Phil headed for Switzerland to
visit with Martin Bammert, one of the leading European slope gurus.
He took them flying at Hohenmeuuswe (?) purportedly the best slope
site in Europe.
They had to ride an enclosed gondola to the ski area at the top
of the mtn. Tom said it was entertaining to watch the scale flyers
load their 1/3 scale planes (15-20 ft. wingspans) in the gondolas,
which never stop moving at the turn-around point in the terminal.
The 8-9 foot wing panels would stick through a hatch in the roof.
The slope was 200-250 meters high, very steep at the top and curving
gradually down to near level at the bottom.
It was foggy that day, and after three flights with the Omegas,
they gave up as the white and blue color scheme disappeared in the
fog. Tom lost his three times but lucked out and recovered each
time.
They did notice that the Omegas were waaay too slow to be serious
slope planes at that site.
Bammert belonged to another school of choice, the other being the
1/3 scale guys, in that he flew a little dart like thing with <1
meter wing span and painted flourescent red for fog visibility.
With this device (don't know the name) he would fly inverted straight
down the slope. At the bottom he would do half an outside loop
and fly straight back up the slope ! He would rocket over the lip
right in front of their faces, and shoot the h*ll-and-gone over
into the next valley behind the ridge ! Then he would come screaming
back around the end of the ridge where they were standing onto the
first slope. Speed was always rocket-like.
There were several guys flying this type of plane. Tom said it was
unbelievable.
At the top of the ridge was a terminal/chalet type building where
in the summer, various clubs held 3 week workshop/clinics in building
and flying techniques. $70/week, the participants live right there,
and when their planes are finished, they pitch them over the side.
Next: A visit to Herr Fisher and his Omega assembly line.
Terry
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1345.33 | In Herr Fishers workshop | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Mon Oct 07 1991 11:55 | 38 |
| Leaving Switzerland, Phil and Tom headed for Munich to visit
Herr Fisher and see how our Omega order was coming along, and to
get ready for the Oktoberfest contest.
Fisher produces one plane per week in his workshop. His wife does
all the laminating/layup. He does the designing, mold making,
inspection, and joining of the wing shells.
The mold making process is unbelievable. He spends 500-1000 hours,
depending on size/complexity, making the molds. Of course once
they're done he can crank out wings, stabs, pretty quickly.
I won't describe the mold making process unless someone really wants
to hear about it. Suffice it to say, it's not likely to catch on
as a way to spend a chunk o your life. But it is becoming the standard
way of hollow wing construction in Germany.
Frau Fisher lays up the top and bottom wing panels in the female
molds (formed from male molds) using a layer of glass cloth, a layer
of 1 mm balsa and two more layers of cloth. These are vacuum bagged.
The color, customer choice, is lacquar (sp?) brushed on the inside
of the mold, then transfered to the cloth during the bagging.
I still can't believe he gets such a perfect finish using that
technique.
After the top and bottom shells are removed from the bag, Fisher
inspects them, and adds the spar on the lower half. The spar is,
suprise !, balsa !, albeit with CF top and bottom. It's ~3/4"
wide and full depth between the panels, ~1/2-5/8".
He epoxys the brass joiner tubes on the front of the spar, then
joins the two halves together with epoxy. Then puts the whole
assembly in the female molds which are then bolted together until
cured.
Next: The Oktoberfest contest.
Terry
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1345.34 | Okoberfest was great, with or without the beer. | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Thu Oct 10 1991 12:55 | 42 |
| Arriving at the Oktoberfest contest, Phil, Tom, and Seth find that
there are 94 entrants.
Each entrant has two winches (faster relaunch in case of a popoff)
so the line of winches is >100 meters across the end of the field.
With all lines out, the field is literally carpeted with monofilament
sparkling in the morning sun, when there was no fog, which there
was most of the time.
When the master clock snapped over to 0800, the winch power buttons
slammed home and the first round was away, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Such discipline was maintained for the 2 1/2 days of the contest.
The youngest entrant was 10 years old, he didn't win but he didn't
finish last by a long shot.
Phil managed a ~46th place, Phil and Tom were in the 70's. But they
(insert standard disclaimer here).
The current wing finishing fad is to use a lot of flourescent colors
and embed cartoon characters in the top layers of the wing laminate.
One guy had the entire bottom wing surface finished to look like
a brick wall, with Snoopy hanging by his hands, peering over the
top.
Phil noticed that the Omegas could launch as high as the best, and
higher than most. Also, V-tails were pretty popular and did well
but not in the winners circle yet. The rationale for V-tails is
to reduce aft weight, thereby reduce nose weight and overall weight
and get higher launches. Phil thought they yawed a bit on the speed
runs.
Everyone was very helpful, answered all questions, and there seemed
to be no dark secrets held in reserve. Winch set ups were pretty
simple, albeit with ~$150 Audi starter motors, exchange.
The *secret* is really practice, practice , practice, with enough
top level competition to judge your progress against.
All in all they had a great time and are already making plans for
next year.
Terry
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1345.35 | New F3B national record. | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Go ahead...make my plane. | Thu Oct 10 1991 13:03 | 10 |
| At the RMSA speed trials in Denver last month Jack (?) Sasson
did two back to back 15.5 second runs, followed with a 15.8 second.
So Seth's record didn't stand long and now we're headed for *speed
wars*, and everyone will flock out here to take advantage of the
low drag atmosphere, a la bicycle time trialing, the greatest
number of TT records having been set on the road that runs right
past our sod farm. What does it all mean.......?
Terry
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1345.36 | Received my Omega F3B. | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Janine T., come fly with me! | Mon Nov 25 1991 10:55 | 50 |
| Our Omegas finally arrived last week, so friday night I went up to
Phil Renauds house to pick mine up.
He had alread sent the 4 plane Phoenix order on, but the four
local planes were layed out on his pool table, and an impressive
sight it was.
I ordered a white fuselage with white wing and stab on top
and bright red on bottom.
The other three had bright yellow fuse., yellow wing and stab tops
and cobalt blue bottoms. Looked like a 1940 Naval training squadron.
Phil spent over an hour briefing me on the basic assembly techniques,
which takes ~40 hours, and explaining what all the hardware bits
and pieces were.
Fisher custom fabricates the stab bellcranks and installs the rudder
and elev. pushrods; music wire running inside of double small diameter
ny-rods.
The wing rod is a ~3/4" X 12" CF rod with the 4 degree dihedral
angle built in. Fisher has these made to his specs by an outside
source.
The rod is a removeable press fit through the fuselage walls,
riding in steel sleeves molded in.
Just behind the l.e. and ~2" forward of the t.e. are ~1" steel pins,
two per side which plug into steel sockets in the wing root
and fuselage sides and prevent the wing from rotating.
The joint between the wing root and fuse. shoulder is pefect, top
and bottom. Tape is used around the joint to secure the wing
laterally.
The t.e. of the wing is open in about 1/2". A full span vertical grain
balsa spar seals off the hollow interior. The flaps and ailerons have
a lip molded on their l.e. and this fits into the t.e. recess providing
a gap free hinge line with the extra weight of arrow shafts.
Hinging is done with Graupner Telsa tape which undergoes a change
after being installed for a few days. I wouldn't have believed
tape could be a viable hinge on an F3B plane but seeing is believing
and noone has had problems with it.
The transferred paint job is flawless. Shows the advantage of
female molds vs. mylar. The method carries the paint around the
l.e .perfectly. Of course it takes him 500-1000 hours to make
the molds.
More later as I examine this critter more closely.
Terry
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1345.37 | Omega, empty weight | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Janine T., come fly with me! | Tue Nov 26 1991 12:30 | 24 |
| With nothing to do last night, Janine having been preempted by
a M.A.S.H. special, I decided to weigh all the Omega parts.
Oz. Grams
Wings, inc. flaps/ail.
Right--20.55 582.55
Left --20.27 574.75
Fuselage ---------------10.78 305.7
Stab/elevator------------2.17 61.5
Rudder------------------- .62 17.5
Total--54.4 oz. 1542 grams
Add to that, 8 oz. +/- .5 0z. of balance weight, and the radio/6 servos
and <85 oz. flying weight is easily attainable.
Terry
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1345.38 | We voted down hosting Team Finals | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Janine T., come fly with me! | Wed Dec 04 1991 12:55 | 38 |
| Last night at our club meeting we voted down by a 3:1 margin, the
proposal that we host the U.S. team selection finals on Labor Day
weekend in '92.
It was felt that not enough people would commit to working 3 days
in a row, 8-10 hours a day.
Exactly what the AMA will do now to get a host club/site is uncertain,
as they had already granted an extention to us to make a decision.
Personally, I feel that the U.S. team selection method should follow
the European method of using the results from the contests over
the whole flying season, rather than a one-time do or die contest.
They pick the top three pilots based on their cumulative season scores.
This avoids having to have a special selection contest. Of course
this is perhaps easier to do when you have hundreds of guys competing
and traveling within a relatively small area.
The few dozen U.S. F3B contenders have to travel more to compete at
the few F3B contests during the season but have to meet only the
minimal eligibility requirements (which in themselves, would not be
sufficient to win any single contest) in order to qualify for the
team selection finals.
The minimum eligibility standards are:
Speed run of 24 seconds or less.
Distance of 16 laps or more.
Duration event scoring at least 400 points(360 points is max. possible
from flight time. Other 40 are landing points.)
Do all this in a AMA sanctioned contest with at least 5 other entrants.
Terry
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1345.39 | Jack it up and roll in a new plane.... | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Naked in a cave in the Jemez | Thu Mar 12 1992 12:11 | 50 |
| Looks like I'm going to have to get started on finishing the Omega
now that sod farm flying season is approaching.
Last night I took the Omega over to Tom Thompsons house to find out
what the latest ECOs and assembly technique were.
He immediately grabbed a hammer and chisel and knocked out the
spruce servo mounting blocks from my wings, saying with an evil smirk,
"Nothing like taking a hammer and chisel to your $1K airplane (a slight
exaggeration) 'eh ?"
Anyway they came out more or less cleanly, and must be repositioned
over 1/2" to allow the ailerons and flap pushrods to meet the control
surfaces at a different point which has been found to eliminate
any tendency to flutter during sub 16 second speed runs, not that I'll
be approaching such figures myself in this lietime.
Also, all epoxying (Hobbypoxy II only) must be done with milled
fiberglass added. Milled fiberglass looks like white micro-balloons
but causes the epoxy to resist cracking better when under sudden shock
loads.
My rudder and elev. pushrod housings had to be lowered where they
come through the forward keel baffle/cone assembly. There's
probably some German word to describe this, and it might be short
enough to fit on one line. ;^)
Since I shouldn't have epoxied in the baffle/cone assy. until I
had mounted the 5/16" CF wing rod in the fuse., I now have to cut
access holes in it to allow access to the inner wing root so that
epoxy can be packed between the grease coated rod and the fuse. with
the wings plugged in and aligned until the epoxy cures, then the rod
is withdrawn.
This sounds like real fun.
My Airtronics heavy duty tow hook is hopelessly wimpy, a #10 nail
threaded into a 10-32 blind nut sandwiched in a 4 ply spruce/ply
5" X 1" slipper sanded to fit the bottom fuselage radius is the
reliable way to go. Unfortunately this area is inacessable with
the keel glued in, so will have to go with the Airtronics until
I can think of a solution.
Tom is assembling another Omega now, so we've agreed to get together
and do each step in concert so that I won't waste time with
my own outdated assembly schemes.
Jeez, weren't those 10 cent Comet kit days nice ? Sigh.
Terry
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1345.40 | A neat system, if I can pass it on. | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Naked in a cave in the Jemez | Thu Mar 12 1992 12:51 | 34 |
| re .39
Whoops! That should be a 7/8" CF wing rod.
Also Phil R. generated a nice set of CAD drawings showing how to
cut the PCB material for the control surface horns, which are now
made from one piece of 5/16" rather than the three laminated 1/16"
pieces used previously.
The attachment point for the clevis is made from a regular Du-Bro
threaded barrel fitting with the barrel portion cut off ~1/8" from
where the threads start. At this point the barrel is solid, not hollow.
A hole is drilled to take the clevis pin. The threaded portion
of the barrel is then inserted in a hole drilled down the PCB horn
front to back at an angle. The solid portion with the clevis hole
then winds up being positioned just below the top leading edge of
the horn, with everthing embedded within the surfaces and invisible
when the surfaces are installed in the wing.
This system can be used on any wing whether it be balsa, foam, etc.
and the horns could be made from spruce or even balsa, if F3B style
flight loads are not to be encountered.
I intend to use this system on all my flap/aileron ships from now
on.
If I can figure out how to draw the barrel/horn assy. on a character
cell terminal, I'll enter it in 399.
No more excuses for having exposed horns/pushrods on your wings !
Terry
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