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Conference vmszoo::rc

Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1305.0. "radio controlled on/off switch" by POBOX::KAPLOW (Set the WAYBACK machine for 1982) Fri Mar 22 1991 18:09

        I'm looking for something that might be considered a close cousin
        to an electronic speed controller. I want to  be able to turn on
        and off an electronic device using an RC system to control the
        operation. I don't need speed control, just the on/off
        functionality of a light switch. 
        
        The only specific requirement is that OFF must really be OFF, i.e.
        0.0 volts. The power needed could come from the RX battery, or
        from a seperate source, as I don't meed much for long. 
        
        Is there anything like this available? If not, anyone got a design
        for someone who knows which end of a soldering iron to NOT pick
        up, but not much more (i.e. I can build reasonable kits, but don't
        expect me to design or figure out values for anything).
        
        Worst case, I could rig a servo and a pushbutton switch, but I'd
        prefer a slightly neater solution.
        
        [Moderators - feel free to move this if there is abeter place for
        this discussion]
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1305.1more specs, pleaseBRAT::RYDERperpetually the bewildered beginnerSat Mar 23 1991 06:067
    Topic 938 is related to your request, but let's explore your specs.
        
>>  The only specific requirement is that OFF must really be OFF, 0.0 volts. 
    
    How close to zero?   0.000001 ?    0.0000000000001 ?   0.05 ?
    
    Tell us what is being done with the output of this device.
1305.2Graupner makes On/Off switchHPSPWR::WALTERSat Mar 23 1991 13:0218
    Graupner makes several ON/OFF controls. I have a Graupner Power Switch 20
    in my Challenger electric sailplane. It's designed to switch 20A from a
    7 cell battery. No specs for ON resistance, but I know it uses a simple
    relay to do the switching, so the ON resistance is probably quite low,
    and when it's off, it's OFF. 
    
    The Power Switch 20 includes a battery eliminator circuit so you can
    run your flight pack off the same batteries as the motor. Graupner also
    makes a cheaper switch which does not include the BEC. Hobby Lobby
    carries Graupner stuff. My Fall '90 catalog lists the following prices:
    
    Power Switch 20	$53.50
    Power Switch 25	$61.40
    ON/OFF Control 25	$29.90 (no BEC)
    Mini-Switch 40	$51.90 (no BEC)
    
    
    Dave
1305.3Other SourceLEDS::COHENSo much for Armageddon!Mon Mar 25 1991 09:271
    Astro also makes an inexpensive On/Off switch.
1305.4CLOSUS::TAVARESStay low, keep movingMon Mar 25 1991 10:1710
You didn't state if you wanted a single switch, or a
multi-channels.  However, your local hardware store has a remote
control switch for operating a single device (like a lamp) by
radio.  It uses a small hand held tx box that operates on, I
think, the CB band.  Its range is about 50 feet.

The switch can be interferred with by citizens band, but
the interferring tx has to be close by.  

You plan on blowing up anybody I know?
1305.55,4,3,2,1, BlastoffSNAX::SMITHI FEEL THE NEEDMon Mar 25 1991 12:386
    Re -1
    
    My guess is the switch will be used in a model rocket application.
    He'll need a range of much greater than 50 feet.
    
    Steve
1305.6Model Rocketry - Worlds Fastest Hobby!POBOX::KAPLOWSet the WAYBACK machine for 1982Mon Mar 25 1991 14:5524
        .5 is correct! I'm actually looking at two applications. 
        
        One is the launcher itself. In dealing with higher power models,
        the wires start getting rather long. Also there are times I want
        to head downwind before launching. Seems like a good use for one
        of my RC systems. The positive off requirement is due to ignitor
        sensitivity. Some of the ignitors are very sensitive - the
        continuity check of a typical launch system can set them off.
        While 1-2 ma leakage might be safe, 10 would be questionable, and
        50 a disaster! 
        
        An interesting side question. If this is on the ground, would a 72
        MHz system still be legal, or would I have to use 75? Maybe I'll
        sidestep the problem and stay on one of my old 53 MHz systems.
        
        The second application is definitely airborne. I'd like to
        remotely be able to activate an ejection system on a model while
        it is decending. At high altitude I'd deploy a drogue chute. As
        the model nears the ground, I'd use the RC ssytem to deploy the
        main chute. The goal is to limit the required chase after the
        flight. Maybe I could come up with an RC steerable chute :-)
        
        I'll check out the stuff listed in the previous replies. Thanks
        for the pointers.
1305.7Be sure to use PCM!!RGB::MINERDan Miner, DTN:225-4015, HLO2-1/J12 (@ H11)Mon Mar 25 1991 18:0221
    Bob,

    For either application (chute deployment or launch) you probably
    should use a PCM system that incorporates "hold last" failsafe.

    It could mean disaster if either function were to operate
    prematurely due to even the slightest radio glitch.

    This may sound like a prank note, but I am VERY serious.  
    FM or AM won't guarantee safety in this case.  Use PCM or nothing.

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                      |      \                          Silent POWER!
      _        ___________    _________   |            Happy Landings!
     | \      |           |  |         |  |
     |--------|-  SANYO  + ]-|  ASTRO  |--|              - Dan Miner
     |_/      |___________|  |_________|  |
                      |       /           |     " The Earth needs more OZONE,
                      |      /                       not Castor Oil!! "    
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1305.8use a safety switchBRAT::RYDERperpetually the bewildered beginnerMon Mar 25 1991 18:509
    I'd go a step further and put an arming switch in series with the
    launcher signal with ten feet or whatever of twisted pair to the
    switch.  Then a radio glitch might ruin the flight, but it wouldn't be
    a safety hazard.

    I did not enjoy the video showing the guy arming the pyrotechnics in
    the Zero models.

    Alton, who used to have [and use] a dynamite license on hay field rocks
1305.9Safety Switch is standardRGB::MINERDan Miner, DTN:225-4015, HLO2-1/J12 (@ H11)Mon Mar 25 1991 19:3113
    A saftey switch (or "key") in series is standard equipment and in
    fact required by the NAR(?) which is similar to the AMA.

                       _____
                      |     \
                      |      \                          Silent POWER!
      _        ___________    _________   |            Happy Landings!
     | \      |           |  |         |  |
     |--------|-  SANYO  + ]-|  ASTRO  |--|              - Dan Miner
     |_/      |___________|  |_________|  |
                      |       /           |     " The Earth needs more OZONE,
                      |      /                       not Castor Oil!! "    
                      |_____/