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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
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Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

497.0. "flight line rules" by --UnknownUser-- () Mon Mar 28 1988 09:24

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497.10local field rulesRIPPER::CHADDGo Fast; Turn LeftWed Jan 13 1988 16:3028
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>    	You mentioned in a note that contest directors should do something
>    about taxiing aircraft and I would assure taking off and landing
>    to reduce the problem of one transmitter overpowering another
>    transmitter.If I understand the problem correctly any transmitter
>    can overpower another transmitter no matter what frequency they
>    are on.

Yes Tom absolutely correct. Drive past a broadcast band TX in your car and it
break's through your car radio I/F stage no matter what station you are tuned 
to.

It scares me every time I see a Pilot(?) walk to the end of a runway with a
model, square himself with the model and the runway, then commence to take off
in the direction of the other pilots standing in the defined pilot area. 

In out club we permit this practice with new fliers for a short time, they are 
then required to stand in the designated pilot area for all take off's.

I have seen one club actually put Cyclone Mesh (about 2' high) around the pilot 
area to prevent models hitting the other pilots due to ground loops.

I don't have an answer to the problem, awareness of the problem by all 
concerned and a willingness to work around the problem is the best compromise I 
know.

John.
497.11local field rulesGHANI::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Wed Jan 13 1988 18:3786
Tom,

In response to your question, I can't say that I have [or know of] the defini-
tive solution to prevent 3rd IM and swamping ("capture") type incidents but here
is how the flight lines are set up on the 4-improved, club-hosted, public flying
sites here in the Phoenix area.

First, it was decided that five flight lines (pilot stations) was the optimum
arrangement [as recommended by George Meyers in the "Radio Techniques" column of
Model Aviation).  No more than five aircraft are ever permitted in the air at a
given time.  Any more than five begins to constitute a collision/safety hazard
anyway so this conclusion was rather painless to arrive at and agree upon.

Frequencies were then sorted [again, per recommendations by George Meyers) and
assigned to each flight station in such a manner that, where a 3rd IM potential
exists, at least two of the involved frequencies were assigned to the same sta-
tion, thereby eliminating the possibility of ever having all three frequencies
in use at once.  Hence, a pilot's particular frequency [say ch.-44] can only be
flown from it's assigned flight station [say station-1] and no other, even 
though channel-44 may be open/available.  To fly it from "any" another [vacant]
station defeats the system and opens the possibility for a 3rd IM shoot-down.

Flight stations are separated by 15-feet to minimize/eliminate cross-talk prob-
lems between transmitters.  This makes the overall length of the flight-station
area 45-feet from station-1 to station-5.  The one potential problem which this
setup does nothing to address is the "capture syndrome" when taxying under an-
other transmitter.  I don't know exactly what can be done to alleviate this ex-
cept to make all pilots aware of the potential and put the onus on them, indi-
vidually, to avoid potential capture situations.  In other words, DON"T taxi
under someone else's transmitter!

Locally, we educate all field users to the danger and instruct them in recogniz-
ing risk situations, encouraging them to avoid taxying under another's extended
antenna at all costs.  For the pilot furthest upwind, this means taxying out on-
to the runway at a bias away from the flight-station area so as to avoid taxying
under as many as 4-transmitters.  The taxying pilot has the responsibility "not"
to taxi into the path of another aircraft taking off or landing and, to ensure
that this does not happen, all pilots are required to have a spotter standing 
with them at all times to spot and call traffic and to loudly announce his pi-
lot's intention to taxi out, takeoff, land, etc.  Naturally, dead-sticks have 
priority in any situation but the pilot [or his spotter] is expected to make
other pilots aware of the emergency by loudly announcing the problem.

Other safety/common sense/common courtesy rules necessary to making the system 
work are as follows:

	1. A pilot must have his appropriate frequency-pin "AND" his assigned
	flight-station must be open before he can fly.  Absolutely NO flight-
	line swapping is permitted!  (This to preserve the integrity of the
	3rd IM prevention measures.)

	2. Pilots are required to taxi, takeoff, fly, land and taxi back while 
	standing in the appropriate flight-station.  Pilots are NOT allowed to
	stand behind their aircraft [on the runway] while taking off.

	3. All takeoffs and landings are in line with, NEVER across the runway.
	Traffic pattern is determined by the prevailing wind.

	4. All turnouts "MUST" be "away" from the flight-line/pit area.  Flying 
	behind the flight-line is not permitted at any time, for any reason.

	5. No one is allowed on the runway for any reason except to retrieve a 
	stalled aircraft or remove debris which may have fallen off an aircraft
	and then, ONLY after loudly announcing, "Man on the runway" and confir-
	ming that all pilots have heard and acknowledged the announcement.

	6. Aircraft are only started on the flight line adjacent to the appro-
	priate flight station.  No aircraft are ever allowed to be started or
	run in the pit area.  An area, well removed from the pit area, is set 
	aside for engine test/test-running purposes.

	7. Spectators or others not directly involved in the operation of one of
	the maximum of five aircraft allowed to fly at any given time are not 
	allowed on the flight line and must stay behind a deadline 75' from the 
	runway centerline.

If this setup seems harsh or severe, allow me to assure you that "IT WORKS!"  
The pain level to implement is slight and insignificant with regard to the safe-
ty benefits , not to mention the peace of mind enjoyed with the knowledge that
the possibility of a 3rd IM shoot-down has been eliminated.  It "does," however,
require the understanding and cooperation of **"EVERYONE"** who uses the field!!
Just one inconsiderate person abusing the rules can sabotage all the security
offered by the system. For that reason, all pilots are encouraged to self-police
the system for the benefit/safety of all.

Adios,	Al
497.5TrainingSPKALI::THOMASMon Mar 28 1988 13:4451
    
    Anker,   I think you will find that it will boil down to the one
    thing that stops most anything   "" CHANGE "".  Specific spacing
    will require that most if not all the flyers change how the takeoff
    and land. I've seen that most flyers takeoff standing begind the
    plane. They also usually land the plane after it passes themselves.
    Only those that are active contest flyers will takeoff standing
    away from the runway.
    	What I usually teach to the beginner is the first couple of
    takeoffs are down from in back of the ship. From there on out I
    get them to progressively stand farther and farther away from the
    centerline of the runway. Eventually ( after about 12 takeoffs)
    they are standing adjacent to the lpane and about 20 ft off of the
    runway. I also teach a beginner to set up the plane to land adjacent
    to one's feet. If you can land a plane at your feet there isn't
    a field that you can take off of that you can't land on. No matter
    how short the runway is. 
    	You should designate that there are only as many flyers flying
    as there are pilot positions layed out on the field. We have gone
    to four positions. The first pilot up takes the most down wind position
    so on and so forth.
    	You must practice taking off standing on the side of the plane.
    You will find that sooner or later you will get to the point where
    the plane will actually be facing you on an angle and you will take
    the ship off getting the wheel to break the ground prependicular
    to your feet.
    
    
    
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497.6IF MAN WAS MEANT TO FLY.........MAUDIB::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Mon Mar 28 1988 15:1952
    Re: .-2, Anker,
    
    As Tom alludes to in .-1, resistance to change is always the biggest
    obstacle to progress, even when the benefits are obvious.  Tom may
    also have hit on the specific reason for resistance: the fact that
    pilots can no longer stand behinf their aircraft on takeoff.
    
    This seems to be more an eastern phenomena.  We learn to takeoff/land
    standing remote from the aircraft from day-1 out here but a big
    flap developed at one of the first U.S. Scale Masters when some eastern
    based pilots, with Ramon Torres in the vanguard, insisted that they
    be allowed to go out on the runway to stand behind their aircraft
    on takeoff.  Safety considerations shut this proposal down immediately
    and Torres carped and griped throughout the meet that this gave
    an unfair advantage to the western pilots.  HOGWASH!!
    
    In any event, taking off/landing while standing remote from the
    model is simply an acquired skill..., the throwing down of yet another
    "crutch" and I can't imagine why any modeler would _not_ want to
    improve their pilot skills; maybe that's a way to sell the idea.
    The benefits are too obvious to be ignored; reduced or eliminated
    3IM, better safety, etc., etc.  Are the objectors satisfied with 
    being [Ugh!] toy-drivers or wouldn't they prefer to become accom-
    plished pilots? 
    
    Tom reminded me that, in addition to the 30' spacing between pilot-
    boxes (all our fields have 5), we allow no more than 5 ships in
    the air at a time.  This is accomplished by having 5 flightline
    clips; to fly you must have the appropriate frequency clip _AND_
    a flightline clip...if all 5 flightline clips are out, you retain
    yer' frequency clip and wait for the next available flightline clip.
    This cuts down a lot of confusion, not to mention traffic, and ensures
    that each pilot has a properly separated box to stand in.
    
    A fellow from one of the local fields told me at our recent fly-in
    that 3IM used to run rampant at their field, there being 2-3 instances
    of it weekly.  Now, he told me, after instituting the separated
    pilots' boxes and the 5-at-a-time rule they observed us using, they
    can't remember the last time they had a case of 3IM.  Pretty good
    testimonial, I'd say...especially when you consider that they have
    _NOT_ instituted any sort of frequency-to-flightline sorting...just
    the separation and the 5-plane limit.
    
    We take no credit for the system...it was all taken from this-or-that
    article by the radio experts, e.g. Odino, Meyers, et al, published
    in the national R/C mags.  

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      | |      00	 Adios,      Al
    |_|_|      ( >o
      |    Z__(O_\_	(The Desert Rat)

497.8LEDS::LEWISMon Mar 28 1988 20:5214
    
>    This seems to be more an eastern phenomena.  We learn to takeoff/land
>       standing remote from the aircraft from day-1 out here but a

    So do we in CMRCM!  I'm surprised any clubs allow people to stand
    in the runway to take off as a regular procedure.  I've found it
    easier to teach the first few takeoffs from behind the plane, but
    quickly move the student to doing takoffs from the side of the runway
    once he's done a few on his own from behind.
    
    Our runway is so small you would be asking for an accident if people
    regularly walked onto the runway to take off.
    
    Bill
497.12gory justification for pilot protection & not taxiing to pitsABACUS::RYDERperpetually the bewildered beginnerSat Sep 22 1990 03:5020
    extracted from an 11-JAN-1988 note by John Chadd
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We had a bad accident that is worth making note of in the hope that it can be 
avoided in the future. A 1/4 Scale Pitts was taxiing to the runway. As it 
passed another flier standing in the pilot area the throttle fully opened and 
the model went into the leg of the unsuspecting pilot causing major internal 
and external cuts with a fiber prop. The injured pilot was taken to hospital 
and required 30 internal and external stitches. He will probably be on crutches 
for many weeks.

On review we believe the accident was caused by the second transmitter swamping 
the models receiver due to the close proximity. 

We have all been conscious of accidents caused by taxiing to the pits and most 
clubs have banned the practice, however this is the first time I have actually 
heard of the type of accident as I describe above. I can tell you it gave 
everybody a bit of a shock. Any comments.

John.