Conference vmszoo::rc

    Ken Colby
    
    	Currently flying:
    		Schluter Champion with Webre Speed 60
    		Schluter Scout with OS long stroke 61
    
    	Radio is JR Galaxy transmitter  for both with
    		FM receiver in the Champion and PCM receiver in
    		the Scout.  Both machines are on 53.5 Mhz.

    
    Dan Eaton
    
    	Currently flying:
    		GMP Cobra with Enya 45CX
    		GMP Cobra with OS 50FSH
    
    	Radio is a JR Century VII with a GMP (Kraft) gyro doing honors
    on the tail rotor.
    
    The mechanics from the second Cobra are destined for a 1/9 scale
    Cobra gunship fuselage I'm working on. 

re:350.0
    
    >    		   Choppers I'm looking at are; Schluter Junior 50
>    						EXCEL 50
>    						Kalt Cyclone

If the EXCEL 50 is anything like it's big brother I'd go for it. About
four people in my club have them and all like them. Best of all from my point 
of view is they aren't another @#@#@#-@#@#@ plastic helicopter. There are 
some small gotcha's they've found in the instructions but other wise they
look pretty good.

Dan  

	Bob Day

	Can usually be found lurking around UV0 in the UK

	Currently 'flying' a Morley Bell 47G.. Magnum (thunder tigre)
	40 ABC engine,
	Quest giro.
	JR Core heli-radio and 4001 servos.

	Had a lot of problems with the Super Tigre 40 ABC that I 
	originally installed.. Came within a gnat's of buying a
	Heim Bell 222, this will probably still be my next chopper.
	Bought the Thunder Tiger engine instead and this completely 
	transformed the Bell. So much so that it'll last me for a 
	good while yet.... 

	The Bell has one great advantage over Kalt and Schluter choppers.
	The spares are cheap.....

	bob 

    Jimi Ibbett, TTB1-1/E09 (Nashua NH). 264-3804.
    
    Just bought Dan Arvidson's Schluter HeliBoy package deal (Century
    VII radio, Kraft Gyro, etc). R/C experience to date is a much modified
    Hornet car. I also have about 20 hours in real copters which *may*
    help me get the hang of flying this one -- I hope.
    
    Also spent the last coupla hours extracting all the chopper related
    notes. Really helped me figure out the gizmos on the transmitter.
    I hope to have it all ready to begin adjustments/balance/etc in
    2-3 weeks...

    Jimi, Try and tie up with some accomplished chopper pilots in your
    area. Ken Colby would be a start. He's in NIO. Also go out and
    purchase a High Point Balances and a "Helicopter" balancing shaft
    for the High point. This is an invaluable tool.
    I hate to say this but the only think that 20 hrs in full sixed
    choppers is going to buy you is some knowledge of how it works and
    perhaps some theory. Orientation is everyone's biggest problem.
    
    			GOOD LUCK      
    						Tom

    I agree Tom, I know how it's all supposed to work, but the R/C ship
    sure isn't going to give me any 'seat-of-the-pants' feedback... :-)
    
    Jimi.
    
    p.s. Thankyou for the hints.

.7>        I hate to say this but the only think that 20 hrs in full sixed
.7> choppers is going to buy you is some knowledge of how it works and
.7> perhaps some theory. Orientation is everyone's biggest problem.


    I'm in total agreement with Tom...I'm a flight instructor in full-size
    airplanes, but that does not help me with those little critter airplanes!
    
    
    Chuck Owen

>    Jimi, Try and tie up with some accomplished chopper pilots in your
>    area. Ken Colby would be a start. He's in NIO. 

Definitely good advice. Learning to fly really isn't that hard on a chopper
thats set up correctly. Getting a chopper set up correctly is just about
impossible for a beginner. Sort of a Catch 22 situation.

>    Also go out and
>    purchase a High Point Balances and a "Helicopter" balancing shaft
>    for the High point. This is an invaluable tool.

The high point balancer is one of the best tools you can buy. Hold on a minute
about the balancing shaft. I think Tom is probably talking about using the
same method of balancing blades on the hi-point that I was taught. I used to
do the same thing. I used a spare main shaft with a machined balance weight
counter weight to keep the rotor head from flipping the assembly off the 
hi-point. Some people buy a "Helicopter" balancing shaft and some people
like my friend Cam machine fancy adjustable balancing gizmos to do the job.

You don't need it. About a month ago I was reading through an old article in
RCH magazine. In an artical about getting the vibration out of a Champion
heli there was a picture of the guy Hi-pointing the head. Guess what? No 
balancing shaft to be seen. The guy was using the hi-point as it was designed
to be used. 

The high-point consists of a base and two towers. At the top of each tower are
two separate but intermeshed wheels. If you lay a shaft across the two towers
it rest against the edges of the four wheels an turns very freely. Where the
wheels inter-mesh on the bottom side there's a hole in the tower. If you extend
the legs that attach the tower to the base you can raise that hole untill a
shaft can pass across the one tower and thru the second tower on a level keel.
With a rotor head on the shaft, now you don't need a balance shaft. Maybe a
picture would explain it better.

                          Twr 1     Twr 2
                  H                   |
                  e                   |
                  a --------+---------+------- Main shaft
                  d         |         |
                            |
                            |
                     _____________________
                     |      Base plate   |
                     ---------------------

Hope that makes sense,

Dan Eaton

    Ben Tyler
    
     Where= GSO
     Work = Quality
    
    I have just finished putting together a Concept 30 DX. I'm joining a
    local club and learning a lot about flying choppers from this notes
    file. I flew planes back in my 20's but my heart has always been on
    helichopters. So now that my life has seltled down some it was time to
    take the plunge.

    
    	Chuck Baldridge
    
    	Where: CXO1
    
    	After lots of mail messages with Dan Eaton in St Louis and Ralph
    Walker in CXO3, I finally did it and bought my first helicopter today.
    I got the new Concept 30 SX with OS 32H engine, Futaba 154 gyro and
    JR Max 5 w/ 5 servos and 1000ma battery.
    
    I have been phone shopping for the past couple of weeks and so I had
    prices, etc, then went down to see Jack at Custom Hobbies here in
    Colorado Springs, showed him what I had and he said: "I'll match those
    prices."  He has ordered the radio and the gyro, but I brought the
    helicopter kit and engine home.  I've been reading the manual all
    afternoon and can't wait to start. From what I can read, the manual
    seems to be as complete as I have seen.  I'll post a review after I get
    it all built and fired up.
    
    Chuck
    

    Welcome to the world of rotor flight!
    
    Ben