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Conference turris::mechanix_3

Title:Please, PROBLEMS and SOLUTIONS only!
Notice:Read Note 1 before creating a new note!
Moderator:CSLALL::NASEAM::READIO
Created:Fri Dec 18 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:347
Total number of notes:2305

88.0. "Alternator questions." by MVDS02::READIO (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman Locks) Fri Dec 18 1992 14:57

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88.1"Pulsing" LightsLEDDEV::UGRINOWMon Jan 11 1993 09:5415
88.2Voltage regulator?MPGS::JGRADYGROUND POUNDERSMon Jan 11 1993 14:585
88.3LUDWIG::YACINOTue Jan 12 1993 12:354
88.4how to check??LEDDEV::UGRINOWTue Jan 12 1993 12:4812
88.5might be really simpleBARUBA::REARWINReinheitsgebotWed Jan 13 1993 12:292
88.6Battery trouble light on in DashCIGRBX::WARDMon Apr 19 1993 10:3217
88.7Possible oil pressure sender errorBROKE::TAYLORJust hang up the phone and drive!Mon Apr 19 1993 13:3020
88.8problem found in f150CIGRBX::WARDMon May 03 1993 11:428
88.9SNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideMon May 17 1993 10:3111
88.10Replace it!MLTVAX::FISHERKill your televisionMon May 17 1993 10:527
88.11Voltage RegulatorSNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideWed May 19 1993 09:464
88.12What about the bulging battery?TROOA::TROU94::YUENWanna be eccentric, but need $$$Wed May 19 1993 10:513
88.13SNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideWed May 19 1993 11:115
88.14Boy, you like to live dangerously.CSC32::D_ROYERChi beve birra campa cent'anni.Wed May 19 1993 12:004
88.15SNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideWed May 19 1993 13:459
88.16If the voltage is right, it's OKLEDS::LEWICKEBosnia, Waco, what's the difference????Wed May 19 1993 14:528
88.17Hopefully my supply of spares will hold me throughMLTVAX::FISHERKill your televisionWed May 19 1993 18:005
88.18SNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideThu May 20 1993 09:4812
88.191981 subaru hatchbackCSC32::W_TUTTLETue Oct 31 1995 01:1029
88.20Blazzing Dash On '86 Toyota VanUSCTR1::GHIGGINSOh Whoa Is MoeTue Oct 31 1995 10:5332
88.21Dry?TEKVAX::KOPECwe're gonna need another Timmy!Tue Oct 31 1995 12:513
88.22Sqeal!!!!!BRITE::FYFETue Oct 31 1995 16:405
88.23exUSCTR1::GHIGGINSOh Whoa Is MoeWed Nov 01 1995 13:527
88.24Alt must be connected to battery.SALEM::GILMANMon Nov 13 1995 15:138
88.2579 dodge charging problemSALEM::LEAVENWORTHThu Oct 17 1996 08:2220
88.263 years? could be shot..TEKVAX::KOPECWhen cubicles fly..Thu Oct 17 1996 11:4310
88.27Crossposted in Carbuffs ...BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Mon Feb 03 1997 09:3159
1984 Cadillac: faulty charging system

Configuration:

	#2 terminal is connected to output post via 10g wire. (This
	   was the original configuration, he bought the car used
	   several years ago).
	#1 terminal is connected to brown wire attached to ignition.
	Output post connected to positive battery post.

	Ignition on - engine off, the alternator (charging system) light 
	is on. Battery surface charge at 13.5v
	Start the engine, the light goes out, and voltage rises to 14.5

Symptom:

	If a load is put on the alternator, such as turning on the
	headlights or heater fan to high, the voltage drops quickly
	to 13v then moving slowly to 12v (alternator appears to stop
	charging and car is running off the battery). 
	
	There are two behaviors that occur when the load is removed.
	Sometimes, the voltage slowly works its way up to 14.5v (alternator 
	working).
	Sometime the voltage stays low. In this case, pulling the alternator 
	harness results in increased engine speed (alternator was generating
	a load on the engine but not putting out current). Reconnecting the
	harness results in 14.5v (immediate) and reduced engine speed (due 
	to increased engine load) .

	When the voltage drops to 13 or less, the alternator light in the dash
	does not illuminate.

	Original and several rebuild alternators exhibit the same properties.
	The original battery, while not very old and testing good, was 
	replaced with a new one.

My involvement:

	I got a call from my brother who was having difficulty with this
	car. When I got there, I found my brother replaced the alternator
	clip and connectors due to the old one being frayed and broken.
	These clips were also making a poor connection, which I fixed.

	We had run a separate connection between the battery and the output
	post to eliminate the possibility of bad connections or broken
	cable to the battery.

	The story is consideralbly more invloved than this, but I'll spare
	the readers the details (my brother made a few mistakes along the
	way). He has swapped out several (4?) alternators all with the
	same symptoms.

	What is the cause and/or how do I diagnose/fix the problem?

	Doug.

	
88.28CHECK THE GROUND PATHUSCTR1::MCANDREWIt's 1A6B5A2B3A4B6A1B2A5B4A3BWed Feb 05 1997 14:0222
    
      Seems like your getting a large voltage drop when the charging
    current increases due to demand.
    
      It could be a high resistance in the battery to engine ground path,
    or the alternator to engine ground path.
    
      An 84 has had plenty of time to develop some corrosion in the
    connectors, cables, and fasteners to engine block, brackets, or
    mountings. Just one ohm when there should be one or two TENTHS of an
    ohm, will cause a significant voltage drop when 40-60 amps is 
    coming off the alternator.
    
      Clean up and tighten all connections in the ground paths. If you have
    an accurate DVOM, check the resistance of the battery ground cable from
    the battery clamp (DISCONNECT IT FIRST) to the alternator frame. Wiggle
    things around to be sure nothing is intermittent.
    
    Regards, Jim
    engine 
    
    
88.29BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Wed Feb 05 1997 15:021
The unexpected answer is posted in Carbuffs ...