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    I believe, Yes Mansell will be in the last 3 races of the season, and
    Rothmans have offered �20m for Mansell and William's in 1995.
    
    Barrachello with Mclaren
    
    Benneton to be booted out of the 1994 season for being STUPID..!!!!
    
    
    G@H
    

    [...lots of boring stuff about Benetton deleted...]

Well, if it was Nomex, maybe....

Dave

Well, it's official.  In a press conference today, Carl Haas 
announced that Nigel Mansell will not be driving for Newman/Haas in 
1995.  Carl Haas said that Mansell has expressed a desire to return 
to F1 racing, and Newman/Haas racing has no desire to stand in the 
way of those plans, so they are releasing him from his contract to 
the team effective immediatley following the last PPG Cup race of the 
season at Laguna Seca.  Haas thanked Mansell for the success he 
brought the Newman/Haas team in 1993, and for the added interest he 
has brought to the sport of IndyCar racing.

Guess he's back to being "YOUR Nige" now......

--PSW

    
    I'm sure Patrick will know more about this, but from what I've
    read, Nigel was negotiating with Renault not Rothmans?
    
    Richard.

    
    Mansell has also confirmed today that he will be driving for Williams
    for the last 3 races of the F1 Calender replacing David Coultard.
    
    Mr Schumacher lost his battle against the 2 race ban and points
    deduction.
    
    If Mansell returns to F1 on 1995 then I want David Coultard to land a
    fairly top drive ie.. Jordan as Barrachello is leaving.
    
    Benneton are up against the world council next wednesday for CHEATING
    (as Normal) with the Fuel filter. Plus they will face charges for the
    plank being undersized in the future.
    
    I say "Kick them out..!!"  They have caused to much trouble in 94, and
    shown a false advantage by bending and breaking the rules..!!
    
    Bye Bye Benneton..!!!!  
    
    
    G@H

     Re. .5
    
    Rothmans have offered �20+m to Williams to secure Mansell and top
    driver in 95.  But is been rumoured that Ferrari have offered around
    �25m for Mansell..
    
    William's, Ferrari, Benneton need a top driver benneton have got Shumi,
    Ferrari have got Berger, and William's have Hill..  Mansell could slot
    into any of these positions but William's and Ferrari have the most
    money..!!!!
    
    I say William's will get him..... but If Ferrari can run Titanium
    Gearbox's then they can afford him as well..??
    
    
    G@H
    

RE: .6

If, as Benetton claim, the FIA Chief Technical Delegate gave them 
verbal permission to remove the filter, then I don't think the 
Benetton team should be penalized in any way, but the FIA should 
consider finding a new Chief Technical Delegate.

On the other hand, if Benetton removed the filter without permission, 
then they deserve to be excluded from the Championship for the whole 
season.

--PSW

    Benneton are appealing against the finding on Schumacher-black flag
    incident.

    These guys REALLY do want Mickey to lose the championship don't they? 
    When are they going to stop -- when the FIA kicks the Shu out of F1
    completely?  Just because he's planning on going to Sauber-Mercedes --
    sheesh.  What a bunch of sore losers!
    	
    	Barb
    

    
    RE: Last note but 1...
    
    Old Shumi lost the battle against the FIA regarding the black flag at
    Silverstone....!!!!!
    
    The FIA are saying that they did not give permission to remove the Fuel
    Filter and that Benneton are lying..!!!
    
    Mansell     - Williams 
    Hill        - Williams
    
    Brundle     - Mclaren
    Barrachello - Mclaren
    
    Coulthard   - Jordan
    Eddie Irvine- Jordan
    
    Shumi	- Austin Maxi 1750cc Class GT Racing...!!!!!
    
    
    G@H
    

    I'm really getting a bad feeling for this Briatore guy
    In F1 the the successfull teams are usually  the ones that 
    exploit the loopholes (sorry, interpret the regs) most effectively
    Colin Chapman was a master at this sort of thing.
    But there's a fine line between interpreting the regs and cheating
    Whenever you see Briatore in the pits etc he looks like a really
    arrogant spoilt brat type who doesn't like not getting his own way.
    He'll be dammed if he doesn't get one over on these beaurocrats etc
    However the "beaurocrats" are determined to get the better of him etc
    Even if if they are riding on the "safety" wagon since Senna's death
    there is NO way he can win. The other more sensible team bosses just 
    get on with the job and dispense with the emotional bit.
    Schu undoubtably deserves the championship this year, he doesn't have
    the best car, the other Bennelton doesn't come close, so it's his skill
    not the car that's making points. If Briatore screws it up for him
    the German's will probably declare war on Italy or something!
    What's this got to do with the '94 season? dunno
    Matt.

    I agree matt,I thought this was going to be for discussions of F1 95?
    
    Tyrone
    

    Back from 3 weeks at the mountains ...
    
    1995 will mean new engines of reduced capacity to 3000cc. I wonder what 
    manufacturers will do: just reduce bore and stroke, rebuild the block
    to make it smaller and lighter or move to a totally different
    architecture (V12-V10-V8-V6 ?). The top teams will probably want to
    have new engines designed. This will certainly mean a complete
    reshuffle of the F1 forces. 
    
    Interesting 

RE: .14

I don't think there will be much reshuffle of the forces in F1.  Back 
when the 3.5 liter formula came in and turbocharging was banned, 
folks said it would break the Honda engine dominance.  It didn't.  I 
think we can be sure that the major players, especially Renault and 
Ford, are already well on the way with designed-from-the-ground-up 
3.0 liter engines.

--PSW

    .15�I don't think there will be much reshuffle of the forces in F1.  Back 
    
    ..... hhhhhmmmmm ..... I've heard about a number of studies made by the
    top engine designers. They compare various engine architectures: bore,
    stroke, number of cylinders, V angle, ... based on engine capacity,
    circuit profile, refueling stops, ...  I also know that Cosworth,
    Renault, Ferrari already have several engine designs/prototypes (V8,
    V10, V12) ready to run or already running on the bench.
    
    In 1995 we may not see a big revolution, just like for previous regs
    changes. I expect more changes later on. 

    A new french F1 team might appear in 1995. Jean Messaoudi, long time
    team manager and owner of several racing schools has put together a
    project called "Junior Team F1". He has a factory, near Dijon and they
    plan to use Dallara chassis with, most probably, Ford HB engines. Eric
    Helary is rumoured to be a driver. Funding is apparently provided by a
    number of french companies who have been supporting Messaoudi for many
    years already. In addition, Messaoudi has apprently secured some big
    budgets from major companies like Texaco. We should know more ..soon 

    3 litre? oh no!
    I watched the Spa race and earlier in the day they had an F3000 race
    who qualified around 2:06, the F1 teams qual'd at around 2:21....
    The F3000' qual'd in almost dry conditions where as the F1 had a "dry"
    line for part of one session the F1 race times where around 1:58 ish?
    on a circuit as long as Spa that doesn't seem much of a gap if 
    engines reduce to 3000cc is there going to be any point in having the
    two Formula's? F1 is supposed to be the bleeding edge of technology
    with something special. Since the latest "Safety" bandwagon started
    it's got silly, what would 95 be like if Senna's suspension hadn't
    broken?? Indycar's looking more interesting all the time.......
    
    Disgruntled
    Matt.

I think F3000 runs with rev limiters.  F1 would not be so limited.

--PSW

Bernie is looking at revamping F3000 too as it is getting too expensive. One
option is going to one engine supplier or one chassis.

    Re -.1
    
    And I guess with F1 going to 3000, there might be a problem with the
    image relative to F1. Maybe they should look at an F1 "B" series, with
    promotion/relegation between it and real F1. Then, firstly, some of the
    new teams could get some serious (and cheaper?) racing, and secondly
    some of the aspiring F1 circuits could at least get an event.

    .19�I think F3000 runs with rev limiters.  F1 would not be so limited.
                                ============
    Yes, the rev limiters, supplied by FIA, are set to 9000. This way they
    don't compete with F1 and (very important) they extend the engine's
    life enormously.

    Don't know if it was discussed during F1 coverage on your side of
    the pond, but Derek Daly was commenting on "rumors from the pits"
    during the race from Monza (ESPN cable) and he said it was rumored
    that Schumacher was talking to Williams for next year.  It was pure
    speculation, but it had the commentators wondering exactly where
    Mansell would wind up for the '95 season.  Apparently Schumacher
    had made it clear that he didn't appreciate what the shennanigans
    at Bennetton were doing to his reputation.  (No one indicated that
    it was a done deal that Schumacher would leave Benetton).
    
    If these commentators knew where Coulthard was going, they didn't
    say.  Everyone seemed to agree that Coulthard was TOO good not to
    wind up with a major team.  I must say that of all the good, young
    drivers Coulthard definitely caught my eye; maybe the Jordan team
    wouldn't be a bad move, Coulthard does seem to do a better job than
    Irvine of keeping his car on the track past the first lap :-)
    

    .23�    that Schumacher was talking to Williams for next year.  It was pure
    
    This is no real secret. The top drivers are always approached by the
    top teams, just in case. I've watched interviews of Ron Dennis, Jean
    Todt, Frank Williams, Flavio Briatore, etc ... they all mention 
    Schumacher, Hill, Coulthard, Barichello, Al�si ... as someone who will 
    eventually drive for them.
    
    Schumacher is definitely becoming the Renault and Elf champion. Renault
    (and Elf, although the 2 are not connected in any way other than the
    Williams repeated successes) have signed the deal with Benetton for
    some very definite reasons: business development in Germany and eastern
    block. These 2 consortiums will most probably have a word with Flavio
    before the start of the season. 

> Don't know if it was discussed during F1 coverage on your side of
>    the pond, but Derek Daly was commenting on "rumors from the pits"
>    during the race from Monza (ESPN cable)

ESPN had Derek Bell as the Bob's side kick for Monza - he also made some
comments about the olden days in F1.  If you crashed a car back then, you were
out.  Now it seems if you don't crash, people don't think you are driving fast
enough.  He also compared the $1000/race he received 25 years ago, against the
$1,000,000/race top drivers receive now.

Dave

    Oooops, watching 3 races in one weekend can make ya goofy :-) I
    KNOW Daly announced one of the races (Indy?) because others were
    congratulating him on becoming a new daddy earlier in the day.
    
    I just started following F1 again in mid-season; the comments about
    Schumacher and Williams might have been the result of the commentator
    trying to fill in air time, but they made it sound as if this was
    a new possibility due to Schumachers NOT being a happy camper about
    some of the stunts pulled by the Benetton team.
    
    I taped the race, guess I should go back and watch it again; I remember 
    the announcers comments being listed on the screen and they speculated
    about what would happen to Mansell if Schumacher went to Williams.
    
    

    Two teams currently active in F3000 are ready to move into F1 in 1995
    provided they find the necessary $$$ backers:
    
    - FORTI, no info so far.
    
    - DAMS (Driot Arnoux MotorSport), 3rd time F3000 champion in 1994. They
      have a F1 chassis fully designed, built and checked in the wind tunnel.
      Agreement with the engine suppliers still to be signed. 
      A few commitments expected from DAMS sponsors.
      

    Sauber are in a difficult situation. Because of financial problems due
    to a couple of budget no-shows/phonies (last one being the german BROKER
    company) Daimler-Benz Mercedes have been obliged to supply Sauber not
    only with engines but also with fresh money. OK until end of 1994.
    
    Now about 1995 ? Sauber obviously have made a very promising entry into
    the F1 circus BUT they have failed to show progress and consistent
    results (on top of costing a LOT of deutschmarks to Mercedes).
    
    Mercedes have very ostensibly approached a number of teams in order to
    arrange something similar to the McLaren-Peugeot deal. In fact one of
    the teams they have talked to is ... McLaren. No way since they have an
    exclusive deal with Peugeot for several years. The next one was
    Benetton: another no way, Benetton were captured by Elf and Renault
    early enough. 
    
    Who's left is everybody's guess. Next team on the list is Jordan, but
    again there will be fierce competition as many engine suppliers would
    like to team-up with them: Ford Zetec in pole position, Honda not far
    behind ... What about Tyrrell ? they've done great things this year and
    the Yamaha is showing (AT LAST !!!) some progress in performance and
    reliability (together).
    
    Where is Mercedes going ? Minardi ? Larrousse ? why not Sauber ?

>    Where is Mercedes going ? 
    
    Penske, Indy cars.

    .27�- DAMS (Driot Arnoux MotorSport), 3rd time F3000 champion in 1994. They
    .27�  have a F1 chassis fully designed, built and checked in the wind tunnel.
    .27�  Agreement with the engine suppliers still to be signed. 
         
    Driot has confirmed they will move into F1. Goal is to present the car
    in December (or January 1995 depending on how fast they will get the
    engine deal signed). Drivers: Driot would like to have Comas and maybe
    Boullion (an old F3000 champ and the newest F3000 champ).

    Of the 4 new F1 teams whose goal was to enter the championship in 1995
    have postponed their debut. This is the Japanese team (Ikuzawa ?) with
    Peter Windsor as team manager and Enrique Scalabroni as technical
    director.
    
    DAMS, Forti Corse and the French team led by Jean Messaoudi are still
    trying to be there in 1995.
            

    This week's Auto-Hebdo has a 2-page article on Mercedes. 
    
    Their arguments are the same as we've seen everywhere:
    
    - TAG Electronics, because of the FIA decisions, only have a very small
      business (Alfa Romeo Touring Car Championship in 1995 ?). No more
      electronic F1s. Yet the company has 80 highly competent and paid
      engineers and is based in a very expensive setup. No return. 
    - McLaren Cars, besides the good old Sultan of Brunei, have invested
      (and lost) 370M$ (where did they get the figures ?).
    - McLaren International (F1) are not the top F1 team anymore. Philip
      Morris are asking for results. 
    - Mansour Ojjeh is definitely trying to rebuild a better image.
    
    - Mercedes are in trouble. They pour enormous amounts of money into 3
      motor racing disciplines: DTM, IndyCar and F1. DTM is OK, domestic
      market. IndyCar with Penske has a bright future. F1 with Sauber is
      dead.
    - At the Daimler-Benz board there are terrible fights. The only way the
      F1 program can survive is by winning races.
     
    - Based on the above, the Mercedes board is rumoured to have made a
      deal with Roger Penske. Penske would then acquire McLaren/TAG and run
      the F1 activities with the support of Philip Morris, etc ...
    - This way, Ron Dennis will be offered to manage the F1 day to day
      operations. The new company will use a clause of the McLaren-Peugeot
      contract by which any party can bail out if ownership of the other
      party should change.
    
    - Finally Auto Hebdo reveal that most of the background work has been
      conducted by ... Teddy Mayer, currently a Penske employee, who was
      the boss of McLaren when Ron Dennis arrived (and ousted him).
    
    Reality ? Speculations ?

    More FUD ?
    
    John Barnard has been seen at Laguna Seca during the last Indycar race.
    Very officially he declared that Luca di Montezemolo (Ferrari's boss
    and Fiat No2) has given him the task to evaluate a possible move of
    Ferrari into IndyCar. 
    
    This could confirm rumours about Ferrari's management being very 
    disappointed with the current F1 results and no signs of getting better
    results in the near future.
    
    More seriously: Ferrari have lost a big market share in the US. Their
    current IMSA involvement is paying off. The (winning) move into Indycar
    would certainly improve sales. 
                                  

    Ref - 3 
    
    There will also be a factory run Lola team in F1 next year, so we are
    looking at over 30 entries, and therefore pre-qualifying!
    
    Ref McLaren/Penske/Mercedes
    
    Autosport reckons the deal will be announced on October 28th, using a
    get out clause in the Pug contract that allows annulment from either
    direction should an outside party gain a controlling interest in
    McLaren - QED sale of shares by Ojjeh to AN Other (possibly called
    Roger)
    
    Paul

    Patrick
    
    Autosport seems to confirm your rumours about the tie up between Roger
    and Ron. Makes a lot of sense too doesn't it?
    
    Mike

Provisional 1995 Calendar

   Mar 12 Argentina (Buenos Aires)      
   Mar 26 Brazil (Sao Paulo)            
   Apr 16 Pacific (Aida)                
   Apr 30 San Marino                    
   May 14 Spain (Barcelona)             
   May 28 Monaco                        
   Jun 11 Canada (Montreal)             
   Jun 18 to be announced               
   Jul 2  France (Magny-Cours)          
   Jul 16 Britain (Silverstone)         
   Jul 30 Germany (Hockenheim)          
   Aug 13 Hungary (Budapest)            
   Aug 27 Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps)   
   Sep 10 Italy (Monza)                 
   Sep 24 Portugal (Estoril)            
   Oct 8  Europe (Jerez)                
   Oct 29 Japan (Suzuka)                
   Nov 12 Australia (Adelaide)          

This lists 18 races for 1995!  Will they all survive?

Dave

    Apparently San Marino has a big question mark pending the official
    results of the Senna/Ratzenberg inquiries.
     

    Just heard on the radio
    
    Peugeot have decided to have their press conference TODAY (instead of
    Friday in parallel with Mercedes'). 
    
    From the preview there will be 2 topics:
    
    - they will explain why they break the McLaren deal
    - they should announce their new partner team (1995 and onwards), the
      name Jordan being already printed
    
    Maybe Mercedes will move their announcement forward and announce their
    new Penske(McLaren)-Mercedes F1 team in response to the Jordan-Peugeot.

	What will Ferrari do next year. Surely they won't continue with
	the V12. It hasn't been particularly successful at 3.5 Litres
	and surely would 'go backwards' at 3 Litres. A V8 perhaps?.

	-John

    .39�	What will Ferrari do next year. Surely they won't continue with
    .39�	the V12. It hasn't been particularly successful at 3.5 Litres
    .39�	and surely would 'go backwards' at 3 Litres. A V8 perhaps?.
    
    Very good question John. With all the recent data acquired with the 3.5
    normally aspirated engine era I think the engineers know pretty well
    waht the ideal engine should be. As you rightly pointed out the V12
    might have no future. 
    
    Ferrari (with the backing of Fiat) have had V8s and V10s running for a
    while. Which design is best is their secret. The problem I can sense is
    that the V12 is a Ferrari prestige image. I hope Jean Todt will be
    allowed to pick up the best engine whatever the tradition is ...
    
    Renault have had a V8 and a V12 running also for some time. Will they
    switch to a V8 ?
    
    Recent history (Benetton) has demonstrated that a compact, shorter and 
    lighter car is better than a car with the most powerful engine (and
    more fuel and longer wheelbase and more weight). Of course, the
    driver's ability can somehow work around those weaknesses.  

    News from the front:
    
    - confirmation of Ford supplying Sauber with the ex-Benetton Zetec
      engine. Is this an exclusive contract ? Still fuzzy. In any case the
      links with Mercedes are definitely history.
    
    - Honda/Mugen signed with Minardi Scuderia Italia, after being turned
      down by Peter Sauber. Report says that Mr Honda Jr (boss of Mugen)
      came to Switzerland to visit Sauber but Ford Cologne had more to offer
      apparently (F1 + WSC ?).
    
    - The Ford HB (ordinary paying customer version) will be supplied to 4
      teams. Simtek, Larrousse, DAMS and Lotus.
    
    - Footwork will most probably get the Hart engine (ex-Jordan).
    
    and now ... the latest (strong) rumour:
    
    - Daewoo have bought Team Lotus and the 24M$ debt (15M$ to Honda and
      9M$ to Ford)
    
    Looking at all this: it seems that Mr Briatore has recently made a
    number of big mistakes. Race strategic mistakes at Suzuka and business
    mistakes in his negotiations. 
    
    If the above is true:
    
    - Ligier have no engine
    - Briatore (Walkinshaw) have missed the Lotus, Honda opportunity.

    Several teams have started testing their current F1 chassis with engines 
    de-bored to 3 litre capacity.
    
    What is currently unknown (for obvious competitive reasons) is what the
    respective 3 litre engines will look like. Will they have the same
    block ? smaller one ? same V angle ? less cylinders ? 
    
    The most competitive cars will be the ones with the lighter and/or
    shorter engines.
    
    3 questions:
    
    - will Ferrari change from V12 to V8 ?
    - will any of the V10 champs switch to a V8 ?
    - will there be any V6 ? 
                            

    
    
    	Does anyone know why Bennetton have dropped the Ford powerplant
    for the Renault(or any other?)? Seems the package they have now is
    the most competitive in F1 currently. Why mess with a good thing?
    Would the new 3 litre power plant be any less competitve than the
    current power plant?
    
    	CERASO

Mercedes/Ilmor have a completely new 3.0ltr engine due for final testing in 
Jan/Feb next year. Indications are that this could be THE engine to beat next 
season, as many others are converting their 3.5's from 1994

Nice move Mr Dennis!

John 

    Frentzen confirmed as No 1 driver for Sauber next year at Adelaide.
    Coulthard mentioned as possible for No 2 slot. Ron Dennis considering
    Brundle, Coulthard, Barichello (& Schumacher) for Mc-Merc.
    
    Paul

    It will be interesting to see the difference between Damon Hill (if he
    drives for Williams),and schu if they compete with the same engines.
    As mentioned in this years F1 topic,it does seem silly that they have
    let the excellent Ford engine go.But I have read that Ford didn't want
    to be associated with Benetton after this years trouble.
    
    Tyrone
    

My money is on Barichello or Coulthard for the no2 at McLaren. Much speculation
should be ended this week.

The Sauber team is something of a "dark horse" in all of this. I could see why it
could be an interesting proposition for one of the up and coming young drivers,
as Ford/Cosworth will power the cars next season within an excellent chassis 
package.

John.

 

Perhaps there shuld be a note to speculate on the make up of Williams next 
season. Let's see who comes up with the most far fetched conclusions from
this lot..

As I understand it, this is the state of play:

- Hill has a contract with Williams. However, he hasn't signed it - question
  of $$$$
- Coultard has been told by Frank not to worry. There are a couple of things
  to sort out politically; however he will definitely be driving for
  Williams.
- Mansell smiles benignly. He says that he cannot discuss things; however he
  has a firm contract for F1 in '95, and that it was signed several months
  ago.

- Mansell to somewhere else?
- Fast one being pulled on Coultard to discourage him from signing for
  someone else?
- Plug about to be pulled on Hill - can't afford his terms?
- 3 team Williams?

Any other suggestions?

-Steve

    
    I read last night that 'Our Nige' is negotiating with McLaren. However, 
    I thought John Watson mentioned something about Mansell setting up a
    touring car team.
    
    P

re.49:

Mansell and Coulthard in F1, Hill in BTCC for Williams Renault.

Dave ;-)

    
    Williams bought Lotus - Mansell to Lotus with Ford engines, Coulthard
    No2 at Williams to Alesi.
    
    Hill to Benetton as joint No1 with Schumacher (They need someone who
    can drive the second car faster than a milkfloat! :^)).
    
    Soper to Arrows with Rover badged Hart engine and BMW money! 
    
    Frank Sytner as no2 at Arrows?
    
    Mark

    On RTL (german channel) this morning lots of german beyond my 
    comprehension, and the caption " Mansell to Mercedes?"
    
    Mansell + Mercedes
    Mercedes + McLaren =McCedes with Nige and ???????
    
    Matt

re.53:

Big Ron says (paraphrased) he likes to work with drivers he understands and he's
never understood Mansell.

Dave.

    Seriously I think I heard that Coulthard had signed with Merclaren.

    At the weekend, Palmer (who works for McLaren) reckoned that the way
    was clear for Brundle to stay put in the red and white car for 95. One
    assumes that it will be along side Hakinnen.
    
    Can't see Mansell going there, I have never been under the impression
    that Ron was his biggest fan.
    
    Frank Williams is quoted thus:
    
    "Damon was a revelation (in Adelaide). I would think without a doubt
    that it was his best drive ever. Is he driveing for us in 1995?
    Absolutely. We said so publicly before Monza. Damon is under contract
    and there is no doubt about that."
    
                            Guardian. Monday 14th.
    
    So, there it is. Confirmation of... Nothing at all.
    
    Damon's peformance means that any one that wants to buy-out his
    contract will have to pay a little bit more.
    
    
    Usually by now it is nearly all setled, but there are still so many
    empty seats for 1995.
    
    Terr B.

It now appears, according to newspaper reports yesterday that Mansell will get 
10m pounds from Williams and Damon will get 1m for next season.

Coulthard will now almost certainly sign for McLaren this week, if in fact he has 
not already done so.

John

    There was an article in last week's Carweek stating that McLaren are to
    use Mercedes engines in both F1 and in the Indy series.
    
    Reargards,
    
    Stephen

    
    
    Re. last
    
    I thought Penske would be using the Merc engine in Indy?
    
    Richard.

RE: .59

Lots of people will be using Mercedes engines in IndyCar racing in 
1995.  All the Ilmor engines will be badged as Mercedes now.

--PSW

    What can I say....
    
    The Indy cars in the magazine photo are painted the same colour as the
    McLaren F1 cars.... I didn't read the article in full ('cos I ain't
    really into motor racing)... and the result was the sack of cack for a
    note that I entered in earlier....
    
    Sorreeee...
    
    After reading the article properly this time, Penske are using Mercedes
    engines in Indy, and McLaren are to use Mercedes engines in F1 next
    season.
    
    
    Hell, I can't even work out which note I thought I was answering in the
    first place..... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

I wouldn't worry about

8^)

Sorry  - I forgot to add "it"

    According to an article in Friday's L'Equipe, Coulthard has been
    confirmed at Merclaren for next year.
    
    Edward.

RE:last

This appears to be the case, with more than one source reporting Coulthard's
drive for next season. Patrick Head of Williams is also reported to be rather 
angry at Renault who put a great deal of pressure on Williams to retain Mansell,
when many at Williams, Head included, wanted Coulthard for 1995.

With it's new Ilmor engine and Mercedes support, big Ron's cars should be able 
to take on the rest, with Hakinnen and a very talented and determined David 
Coulthard!





  
 

    Re. McLaren
    
    Remember that Ron Dennis has offered a 1-year deal to his #2 driver.
    this was confirmed by Frentzen and by Barrichello who turned down the
    offer. I did not read anything about Coulthard's contract but it should
    be a 1-year deal. What can happen in a full season ? How will the Ilmor
    engine work ? How will Coulthard deal with Hakkinen ? Lots of open
    questions ...
    
    I also read (last week-end) Michael Schumacher declare that, unless a
    major thing happens (like what ?), he will be leaving Benetton at the
    end of 1995 to drive for Mercedes(-McLaren). 
                 

    Have not seen any confirmation anywhere regarding Williams line-up OR
    McLaren number two.
    
    But saw interview with Dennis, and the gist of it seemed to be that
    if Williams discarded either Coulthard OR Hill, then McLaren would pick
    him up.
    
    Ron did seem to be of the opinion that Coulthard was THE pick of the
    youngsters.
    
    Anyway, if Williams line-up is as you all say it is, I suppose Mansell
    will be blinkin' red five again? And on that money, team number one?
    
    So we can expect to see him whip Schumacher blindfolded, eh? His words.
    Not mine.
    
    Terry B.

    
    On EuroSport last week David Coulthard was to be seen being driven
    around some circuit in a DTM Mercedes by Schnieder (Klaus ?), he then
    made some complimentary remarks about it being fast and one day maybe
    he wouldn't mind driving in the DTM (in a Mercedes).
    
    Make of that what you will. 

Provisional 1995 F1 World Championship Entries (23-Nov-94)
----------------------------------------------

Team		Engine		Driver 1	Driver 2 	Test driver
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Williams	Renault		Hill		Mansell?	?
Benetton	Renault		Schumacher	?
McLaren		Ilmor		Hakkinen	Coulthard	Magnussen
Ferrari		Ferrari		Berger		Al�si		Larini
Ligier		?		Herbert		Panis		Lagorce
Lotus		Honda-Mugen?	?		?		?
Jordan		Peugeot		Barrichello?	Irvine?		?
Tyrrell		Yamaha-Judd	Katayama	?		?
Sauber		Ford-Zetec?	Wendlinger?	Frentzen	?
Footwork	Ford?		?		?		?
Minardi		Ford?		?		?		?
Larrousse	Ford?		?		?		?
Simtek		Ford?		Brabham?	?		?
Pacific		?		Gachot?		?		?

DAMS ?		Ford?		Comas?		?
Forti Corse	Ford?		Fittipladi?	Moreno?
Junior Team	?
ANOther?

    New F1 teams.
    
    DAMS is having problems with their financial backers. No guarantee that
    they will make it for 1995. If they do Erik Comas will be helping at
    least with testing. Comas is also looking for a good team drive.
    
    On the opposite Jean Messaoudi's Junior Team have reached their budget
    but could not sign a decent engine deal. Will they use some good old
    DFV's ?
    
    Forti Corse have announced a provisional all-brazilian setup with
    Christian Fittipaldi as #1 and Roberto Moreno in the #2 seat. 
    
    The Japanese team have retired. No news from Spain where the Bravo team
    is trying to come back (as every year ...)
                                              

 >So we can expect to see him whip Schumacher blindfolded, eh?

yet another hint that the Williams cars really are controlled remotely from the
pit lane.....:-)

Dave

    March 12 Argentina*				July 16 Britain
    	  26 Brazil*				     30 Germany
    
    April 16 Pacific				August 13 Hungary (Reserve)
    	  30 San Marino(Imola)*			       27 Belguim
    
    May 14 Spain				September 10 Italy (monza)*
    	28 Monaco					  24 Portugal
    
    June 11 Canada				October 8 Europe
    							29 Japan
    
    July 2 France				November 12 Australia
    
    *subject to CCT approval.
    

    All these new teams.
    
    (Always, all these new teams)
    
    Am I right in thinking that there is no qualification (apart from
    money) for a new team?
    
    Perhaps, like drivers needing a super licence there should be a form of
    qualification.
    
    Say, if you are a new team, you need to have won the European or
    Japanese F3000 championship at some time in the last 3 years.
    
    If you are a new constructor, you need to have build a car that won one
    of the above in the last 3 years.
    
    And why not have a relegation system too? A team, or constructor, could
    lose its F1 status if it failed to score points in (say) 3 consecutive
    seasons.
    
    Perhaps the relegation idea should also apply to drivers.
    
    John O'C

    .73�    Am I right in thinking that there is no qualification (apart from
    .73�    money) for a new team?
    
    Absolutely right. All they have to do is deposit a big pot of money
    
    .73�    And why not have a relegation system too? A team, or constructor, could
    .73�    lose its F1 status if it failed to score points in (say) 3 consecutive
    .73�    seasons.
    
    Actually the current system works a bit like this inside F1. There are
    top teams, average teams and back markers. FIA could not push for a
    relegation system this year given the small number of entrants. Next
    year might be different with (maybe) 36 cars.
    

    Jean-Christophe Bouillon, this year's F3000 champion, has been testing
    the Williams-Renault.
    
    Pedro Lamy, who was badly injured earlier this year in testing, has
    signed up to drive a DTM Mercedes next year.
    
    Edward.

    .75�    Jean-Christophe Bouillon, this year's F3000 champion, has been testing
    .75�    the Williams-Renault.
    
    ... at Paul Ricard. The important point is that he quickly went very
    fast (1'05" ish with a chicane built at the end of the long straight
    before the Signes corner). Boullion is definitely looking for a job
    either as a race driver or as a test driver in one of the top teams.

    I heard on the radio this morning that Coulthard has signed for
    Mclaren,and Frank Williams is not too happy.It is reported (from the
    Times) that he was not free to sign with anyone else as Frank wanted
    him for next years season instead of Mansell who will be a lot more
    expensive!
     The argument is to go to the contracts board in Geneva tomorrow.
    What a mess...
    
    Tyrone
    

    I heard it on R4 just now. They also said that Williams' option on
    Coulthard ran out soon after the Ozzie GP. Sounds like our Frank is
    having second thoughts about Mansell, and wants his cake, to eat it,
    and have another cake. I hope he gets fried.
    
    Laurie.

	That Frank Williams is the worst F1 driver manager I've
	ever heard of.   Year in, year out, he messes around his
	drivers - I'm surprised anyone wants to work for him.

	Dave

    
    On the news this morning they said that Coulthard was able to sign for
    McLaren because of a clerical error by some-one in Williams!  
    
    Steve.
    

    Also hot from the press:
    
    Jordan and Peugeot (or is it Jordan-Peugeot ?) have announced their
    driver setup:
    
    	- Rubens Barrichello
    	- Eddie Irvine
    
    Surprise ?

            <<< TIMMII::DISK$USERS4:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CARS_UK.NOTE;1 >>>

Considering that David Coulthard was mainly responsible for testing out the
problems with the FW16 last season, drove superbly in the GP's, is wanted
by almost everyone in the Williams camp including Head, and has demonstrated
notable loyalty and patience with Williams, Frank Williams should not be
treating this guy with such dis-taste, as I am sure that Coulthard would
have liked to stay with Williams.

Ron Denis is reported to be extremely pleased, as are Mercedes with this 
signing. 

Frank Williams has blown it and is left with two old drivers who will frankly
be lucky to win a handful of GP's between them next season!

Mansell's return is a joke and will be shown to be exactly that when David 
Coulthard's red and white McLaren roars past the old boy.

Maybe Frank should listen to his team more than his sponsers.

John



 

    
    ...looks like I will have a Team/Driver combo. to support next year
    after all....
    
    Graham

    .76�    .75�    Jean-Christophe Bouillon, this year's F3000 champion, has been testing
    .76�    .75�    the Williams-Renault.
    .76�    
    .76�    ... at Paul Ricard. The important point is that he quickly went very
    .76�    fast (1'05" ish with a chicane built at the end of the long straight
    .76�    before the Signes corner). Boullion is definitely looking for a job
    .76�    either as a race driver or as a test driver in one of the top teams.
    
    The truth is that both Emmanuel Collard (the current Williams test
    driver) and Jean-Christophe Boullion were present. Emmanuel Collard was
    testing a number of things to do with gearbox, suspension, wings, etc
    ... and had little time to play with the car. He was constantly lapping
    around 1'06"-1'07". 
    
    At the same time Boullion was offered to test drive Hill's car. The
    team did not have a special seat made so Boullion used Hill's. On day 1
    he did around 60 laps with a fastest in 1'05"8. The 2nd day, still with
    Hill's seat, he did 1'05"02. This is truly impressive from a F1 rookie.
    
    Now the battle will be between Collard and Boullion for the test driver
    job ... unless one of the race drivers feels like retiring ...

    I read yesterday that Peter Sauber is planning to give Karl Wendlinger
    another chance to prove that he is fully fit before officially
    announcing his drivers for next season. I think that HH Frentzen is
    more or less confirmed.
    
    Edward.

    Yes Frentzen is sure. Wendlinger has a seat provided he feels well.

Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed that a meeting will take place today to
decide the Coulthard signing with McLaren issue.

It is reported that Williams feel their prolonged contract was binding, since it
was extended beyond the end of the 1994 racing season, at that time it is
understood the Scot signed for McLaren.

The outcome will decide which team has the valid contract.

It now appears that Patrick Faure(Renault sport president) is the ONLY
person/sponser wanting Mansell...albeit the most influencial; and that Williams
have been looking for ways to remove Mansell from the line-up. Clearly their
lack of haste has brought this issue to a head, as Coulthard, quite rightly, has
to look after his own interests.

I hope that Coulthard drives for McLaren next season, and that Ron-D's cars
are competitive again.

John  
 

    I'm not sure it's just a question of Wendlinger "feeling well". I
    understand that he will be required to drive a full GP simulation (on
    the Barcelona circuit) and that Sauber will take his decision according
    to KW's performance.
    
    Renault, and therefore Patrick Faure, are NOT sponsors of the Williams
    team. They are engine suppliers and for the last three, or maybe even
    four years, they have been the best engine suppliers around. Had it not
    been for the Renault engine, I doubt very much that Williams would have
    won three constructors titles on the trot. While Renault may not be
    entitled to actually choose the drivers, I think that it is in
    Williams' best interest to stay on very good terms with them,
    especially since the Benneton-Renault deal. So when Renault says "We
    want Mansell", Williams would be well advised to listen.
    
    Edward.

I believe (from shakey memory) that the top four available drivers, in terms of
proven race winning ability, are:-

Mansell
Schumacher
Hill
Berger

Thus Williams have two out of the top four, so it looks like they are doing ok.

Dave.

    
    
    From various sources: We now have
    	
    Coulthard to McLaren
    Brundle to Benetton
    Hill & Mansell @ williams
    Irvine & Barrichello @ Jordan.
    
    What about Verstappen ? 

    The only thing I know that Verstappen will drive 6 races for Bennetton.
    But if that's true I don't know.
    

    .88�    I'm not sure it's just a question of Wendlinger "feeling well". I
    .88�    understand that he will be required to drive a full GP simulation (on
    .88�    the Barcelona circuit) and that Sauber will take his decision according
    .88�    to KW's performance.
    
    That's what Peter Sauber meant by 'feeling well'. KW has a reserved
    seat at Sauber UNLESS he decides he cannot drive. No pressure from the
    Sauber team.

    .90�    Coulthard to McLaren
    
    second to Hakkinen
    
    .90�    Brundle to Benetton
    
    Is that so ? Never heard of a contract being signed, although this
    sounds like a good idea. Brundle is the ideal #2. Dennis should have
    kept him.
    
    .90�    Hill & Mansell @ williams
    
    As pointed earlier this is mainly Renault's wish. Hill is signed. I
    don't think the Mansell case is concrete yet.
    
    .90�    Irvine & Barrichello @ Jordan.
    
    Yes. Plus	Al�si & Berger @ Ferrari
    		Herbert & Panis @ Ligier-x
    		Katayama @Tyrrell-Yamaha
    		... any other ?

    
    	Brundle to Benetton is not confirmed - only rumoured/supposed.
    
    Briatore is a fan of Brundle - he is an excellent No2 - Briatore needs
    someone to back up Schumi (92 pts out of 108!!) Brundle is out of a job
    if we believe this Coulthard signing.
    
    
    	Tony B.

    Brundle is quoted as saying that he is prepared to wait all winter
    again to land the drive that he WANTS -- McLaren; for if the Coulthard
    business is cleared up to such a conclusion that the Scot does not race
    for McLaren, then Martin Brundle feels the seat is his. He also says
    that he has three options available to him.
    
    And this is what Mansell has said all along as well; that whatever
    happens, he has something in place. We now know that this doesn't
    include BTCC with the Williams Lagunas as they have announced Menu and
    Hoy (I think) as their line up for 1995.
    
    I agree with sentiments re: Frank Williams, there always seems to be
    somthing amiss in the Didcot camp. Of course, what he doesn't want is
    to lose the Renault engines and end up with taking an inferior package
    as he experienced after losing the Hondas a few years ago.
    
    But, Coulthards arrival has caught Williams off his guard and thrown a
    cat amongst the selection pigeons and he is clearly after time to get
    his decision right. For if he were to jetison Mansell (who claims he
    could win a championship blindfolded) will Coulthard be up to it?
    
    I know what I think.
    
    
    Terry B.
                                                       

    I thought Brundle said he was not prepared to wait all winter...
    
    Tyrone
    

RE:95

With proven speed(two GP fastest laps), great car control and a few more GP's
under his belt Coulthard IS up to it!.....otherwise why is Frank-W and Ron-D
taking so much interest in the guy?

Coulthard stated that he has signed for McLaren, but he would be happy to drive
for Williams....he want's to make sure that he is driving a full season 
next year....rightly so!

Anyhow, it will a couple of weeks before we know the outcome of this issue. 

My money is still on McLaren.

John. 

    What's the one thing old Nige likes? - yes, he needs to feel wanted. Is
    he feeling wanted by Williams right now? I think Frank's either
    equipped with a very short memory, or else he knows exactly what he's
    doing.

I hear Prost is open to offers.

Dave.

Yesterday on Swiss Radio:


Peter Sauber himself talking about testing in Barcelona:

H.H. Frentzen              he will set the time for all the others

Karl Wendlinger            he will have to prove he's ok

But Karl will have some competition. Some other drivers have been invited
too. They are:

Nissen
Fontana
Pedro Lamy

Peter Sauber will decide about his second driver at the end of this week.
If it is not Karl Wendlinger his decision will probably take longer ...


Goran 

    .99�I hear Prost is open to offers.
    
    ... for :	1-  kart racing
                2-  F1 team management
    
    I may be wrong but Prost will never drive a F1 again. As far as KART is
    concerned he is actually practising for the Paris-Bercy in-door kart
    event scheduled for Dec 17-18. Prost is also taking part in kart races
    and having a lot of fun (his words). 

    
    BBC Teletext reported that Prost had said he was thinking of coming
    out of retirement and open to offers. Prost to Williams? Prost to
    Benetton? Renault must be having orgasms.
    
    IMO the critics (the press) are being a bit hard on Frank Williams.
    It is in their interest to stir up the Mansell/Coulthard controversy
    because it's about the only thing worth reporting in F1 at the moment.
    Ron Dennis paid Frank Williams the compliment of saying he was the only
    team manager he respected.... and that's good enough for me.
    
    Although I think Coulthard is a star of the future, I don't believe
    he is good enough to win the championship next season. And that's
    what all this fuss is really about. 
    
    Hill was definitely better than Coulthard last season and IMO Hill
    improved markedly in the last two GPs. Although I'm no fan of Mansell,
    he did show, to me at least, that he does still have the ability to
    win the championship. He also has the advantage of knowing what it takes.
    At the moment, I'd pick Schumacher, Hill, Mansell and Prost(assuming he
    does come out of retirement) as more likely winners of the championship
    next season than Coulthard. There are probably others.
    
    I don't think Frank is rejecting Mansell because he thinks he can't
    win the championship, I think he just knows how much aggro he'll get
    from Mansell, win or lose. Whatever happens, the Renault engine is
    more important than Coulthard, so unless Frank believes he can persuade
    Renault otherwise, he should bite the bullet and sign Mansell. It may
    be, of course, that Frank is just pushing Renault as hard as he can 
    to make sure that they pay the lions share of Mansell's fat fee.
    
    It would seem best for all parties that Prost comes back to Williams
    and Renault should force Benetton to take Mansell :-)
    
    Richard.
    

RE: Last,

Nobody say's Coulthard will actually win next years championship, 
although anything is possible with this kind of talent around.

In the right car Coulthard WILL beat Hill or Mansell next season, to be the top
British driver. In 1996 he will no doubt be making a bid for the championship.
Until then, and for next season, Coulthard will demonstrate to the world of
motor racing, his outstanding and sought after talent ......with at least one 
or two GP wins in 1995! 

John(a totally biased Scot!)
 

 

    Furthermore and considering what happened this year with the brilliant
    Peugeot engine (at least more brilliant than expected by both Peugeot
    and McLaren) what are the chances of Coulthard to shine in the
    championship. He may at best demonstrate his (great) ability vs his 
    #1 driver, Mika Hakkinen, who is definitely NOT a 2nd class driver.

If the new 3.0ltr Ilmor motor does it job...........

Hakkinen and Coulthard could take McLaren to the top again next season, of 
that there is no doubt!

John

    
    
    	Tonight's Evening Standard has this.
    
    	Herbert more than likely to sign as Shumis No.2 at Benetton.
    
    	Ligier are to sign Mugen/Honda engines and part of that dela will
    	state a requirement for a Japanese driver.
    
    

    re:  Prost's returning to the F1 fray.... 
    
    wasn't he the one that stated right after Senna's death that he'd never
    set foot in an F1 car again out of respect for Senna?
    
    Barb
    

    Renault-Sport have disclosed their new engine: labeled RS7 it complies
    with the 3 litre capacity. The RS7 is a 10 cylinder in a 67 degree V
    arrangement as was the previous successful series of RS. The RS7 has
    the same length as the RS6 but it is slightly lower and narrower. The
    heads are completely reworked. 
    
    The RS7 internals are not disclosed but it is obvious that it has a 
    shorter stroke (same bore ?) than the RS6. Both Jean-Jacques His of
    Renault-Sport and Jean-Pierre Boudy of Peugeot-Sport have indicated
    that the new 3litre engines will have shorter stroke dimensions and
    therefore higher peak rev limits. They're talking of 16000rpm today
    with 17000rpm in the short term .... !!! By doing this they plan to
    recuperate the loss imposed by the new capacity limit.
    
    The FIA thought they could limit the engine power to around 600bhp by
    limiting the capacity to 3000cc. The engineers have computed that if
    they just reduce the capacity of their existing 3500cc engines they
    will get around 640bhp. But by changing the internals they will reach
    higher rev limits and quickly get 700, 750 and even 800bhp !!!
    
    JJ His is mentioning that he anticipates the Ferrari V12 (if they stick
    to the V12 architecture) to reach 17000 and even 18000rpm this coming
    season.
    
    The RS7 is running on the bench. It will start its live testing in a
    Williams chassis at Paul Ricard on Dec21. In the meantime Williams are
    planning to run more tests with a modified FW16 chassis at the Estoril
    on Dec 15-16. 

    RE: .108
    
    ## The RS7 is running on the bench. It will start its live testing in a
    ## Williams chassis at Paul Ricard on Dec21. In the meantime Williams are
    ## planning to run more tests with a modified FW16 chassis at the Estoril
    ## on Dec 15-16. 
    
    Patrick,
    
    I take it that it will be a "closed" session at Paul Ricard especially
    as they are checking out a new engine?
    
    Do you think Damon and Nige would be there or is it too early days yet
    for them to spend time on it?
    
    Dave

    
    Regarding a few back where the suggestion is made that Prost should go
    back to Wiiliams. Give that Nige still feels that Prost stabbed him in
    the back at Ferrari and then stole his seat at Williams, I think if
    Mansell thought Prost was up to his tricks again he might just decide
    to do something drastic!
    
    JBG

    Re recent speculation about Prost - what I thought I'd read was that
    he'd said that although he was definitely out of F1, he had a hankering
    after doing something like Touring Cars.

Quite right Nigel. He said no way ever F1, but he does want to drive again and
is thinking of touring cars.

Mike

    17-18K, does this mean we're in for some real good sounding engines
    this year. I still remember the Matra, don't think they were close to
    17K but they sounded sweet.
    
    I think the sound is right up there when it comes to F-1, just gives me
    goose bumps.
    
    I thought I heard someplace (here) that Ferrari were going to bite the
    bullet and go for a 10 or maybe 8 cylinder. I do like the sound of the
    12.
    
    Fred                                                            

    .109�    Patrick,
    .109�    
    .109� I take it that it will be a "closed" session at Paul Ricard especially
    .109� as they are checking out a new engine?
    
    Dave,
    
    I really don't know. For these Williams-Renault testing sessions the
    circuit is generally open to the public. The cars are not accessible
    since Renault have their own private building located inside the
    circuit with in/out access ramps in the middle of the Mistral straight.
    They don't really bother. You can make interesting pictures at the
    Winfield driving school hairpin, at the end of the granstand straight.
    
    As an illustration of this: this is where I last saw the Williams team
    practising last winter, checking out the new FW16. I saw both Senna
    (sigh) and Hill.
    
    .109� Do you think Damon and Nige would be there or is it too early days yet
    .109� for them to spend time on it?
    
    Don't know again. Manu Collard is the current test driver. Maybe
    Boullion.
    
    If you go, let me have a few pictures ... and tell us about the sound
    of the new engine. 

    .106�    	Ligier are to sign Mugen/Honda engines and part of that dela will
    .106�    	state a requirement for a Japanese driver.
    
    The Briatore-Walkinshaw duo is definitely doing things in a big way !
    
    According to Auto-Hebdo's Patrick Camus the deal IS signed. 
    
    Briatore wanted 2 things (on top of what he has already: Benetton, 
    Schumacher and Ligier):
    				1- the Honda V10 engine
    				2- Johnny Herbert
    
    Last summer's actions to get hold of Team Lotus were aimed at either or
    both goals. The real achievement is that he managed to get the 2 things
    he wanted WITHOUT getting Team Lotus (in deep trouble).
    
    Briatore (and Walkinshaw) is definitely the new F1 master, ahead of
    Dennis, Jordan, etc ... (and far ahead of Williams !)

    New teams:
    
    - Lola have reschedule their comeback to 1996
    
    - Junior Team have done the same (for engine unavailability reasons)
    
    - DAMS are ready but still waiting for final budget. By end of December
      they'll know. Knowing that it will be too late to register Driot has
      indicated that he has already planned to register under someone else's
      name (Simtek ?)
    
    - Forti Corse are ready, they have sent their registration and the 500K
      in due time. Behind Forti is Brazilian millionaire and Pedro Diniz
      who will be one of the drivers  

    So Damon has supposedly signed for a million.
    
    Tyrone
    

    
    Lotus have laid off all their staff until after Christmas. David Hunt
    hopes to find some sponsors in the meantime.
    
    Richard.

	Since the reduced weight of the 3 litre engines is likely
	to improve handling and if they can maintain power levels
	then could the cars actually go faster?

	Power counts a lot in F1 at present, and presumably those
	most successful in adapting to 3 litres will prosper. I
	imagine this will be Ford and Renault. Least likely are
	Ferrari who surely must go for 8 or 10 cylinders to be
	competitive.

	Perhaps the changes will lead to closer racing though.

	-John

    Did anyone notice that Berger (#5) and Mansell (#10) both appeared in
    the Forbes magazine list of the world's highest paid sportspeople? 
    
    Berger had the equal highest salary of anyone on the list, as most
    others got a much larger percentage of their money from sponsorship
    deals.

    re -a few
    
    isn't it the brother of James and not father, as he's quoted as being 32
    years old ??                                 

    .119�	imagine this will be Ford and Renault. Least likely are
    .119�	Ferrari who surely must go for 8 or 10 cylinders to be
    
    Ferrari have started testing their new 12 CYL 3 Litre engine at
    Fiorano. Test driver is Larini. I think (not sure) they have both a V8  
    and a V10 projects.
    
    Jordan have started testing an 'intermediary' Peugeot 3 Litre V10 at
    Silverstone (small circuit).

    
    Re: Brother or father....
    
    I saw him on the news... if he's only thirty two he's lived a tougher
    life even than James!
    
    R.

    It's definitely his younger brother David who used to race in various
    formulae up to F3000. 

    re. The Williams tests at Estoril/Paul Ricard
    
    David Coulthard will be driving (which does not mean that the other
    test drivers won't be there too) in accordance with his contract with
    Williams. The contract runs until 31 Dec, 23:59.
    
    re. Jordan-Peugeot
    
    Just heard that Laurent Aiello (pushed by Jabouille and Peugeot Sport)
    will be test driving soon. No news of Kelvin Burt.

I am sure that Coulthard will do a great job testing for Williams, as he already
has done with the FW16 3.5ltr last season.

Coulthard is a well respected test driver with a knack of finding problems and
proposing solutions. Without his valuable inputs, the FW16 would not have been
so good in the latter half of the season. Patrick Head in particular, worked
very closely with Coulthard last season.

This ability in testing makes him valuable to a team, notwithstanding the fact
that he is capable of winning GP's!

John

Anyone got any news on the 3.0ltr Ilmor engine....testing, configuration and/or
what cars it may power next season...re:McLaren and ?

John

    Patrick,
    
    Rosie just called Paul Ricard and they said that Williams has the
    tracked reserved from the 20th to 22nd of this month. They expect the
    team to be using it between the hours of 09:00 and 16:00.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Dave

    .128�    Rosie just called Paul Ricard and they said that Williams has the
    .128�    tracked reserved from the 20th to 22nd of this month. They expect the
    .128�    team to be using it between the hours of 09:00 and 16:00.
    
    Thanks for the info Dave,
    
    Unfortunately I'll be busy with final preparation of a customer
    proposal. Will you be there ? In the affirmative please let me have a
    couple of pictures. Coulthard is confirmed as test driver. His last
    assignment at Williams (for the year at least) ....
    
    Cheers,	Patrick

    I hear that Damon Hill was voted BBC Sports, er, Personality of the
    year recently.
    
    When asked who he preferred as teamate between Mansell and Coulthard,
    he replied "Whoever is slower".
    
    Edward.

RE: Last

So maybe Damon will be happy with old Mansell........his team certainly are
not!

With these two "old timers" driving for Williams the team won't need a big
trophy room for next season.

Roll on the 1995 season, so that Coulthard can kick Hill's a**e....good and hard!

John




 

    
    You could really get to hate Coulthard, couldn't you....
    
    Mark

    I think some people here are over rating Colthard. I can see he is a very
    fast driver, and could show off how fast because he had a good car. I
    think there are other drivers as good but may not have had the top car
    to show their potential.
    
    The only time I could watch how he drove was in the Canadian GP. In
    that race he had a better start than Hill and pushed off to prove how
    much better he was. He ended up using his tires(tyres) and holding up
    Hill letting Michael get an even bigger lead.
    
    I rate him as young and gutsy, but at the stage Hill was when he first
    drove the Williams. Give him one more year and then watch out. I don't 
    think Hill or Schumacher or Mansell have anything to worry about this 
    season.
    
    Fred
                               

    re. Williams FW16-17 testing
    
    Tests are going on at Estoril. 2 cars are available : one for Coulthard
    and Hill, the other for Collard and Boullion. I think the same combo
    will be at Paul Ricard next week.
    
    While a number of teams are testing at Estoril, Portugal others are
    working at Barcelona, Spain (Jordan-Peugeot and Sauber-Ilmor for instance).
                                                                

    RE: 132
    
    Yes, you could.
    
    Personally, Damon Hill was a worthy winner of the BBC Sports
    personality of the year trophy. He has been quite news-worthy in recent
    weeks.
    
    He quipped that he was suprised that people voted for him even though
    he managed to get them out of bed at 4.00am on two consecutive Sunday
    mornings...
    
    Also said that his season had been greatly influenced by Sennas death,
    and in had that in his mind as he received such awards. He has already
    picked up the Autosport International driver of the Year award.
    
    Other GP drivers present at the BBC event included Coulthard (who was
    interviewed) and Brundle. Mansell conspicuous by his absence.
    
    Seen on CEEFAX tonight that Schumacher will test a Ligier to get a feel
    for the Renault engine.
    
    
    Terry B

    
    Terry,
    
    	it was hardly surprising that our Nige wasn't there. I mean, the
    Beeb didn't have coverage of Indy and I bet their F1 ratings dropped
    when he left so I doubt he got an invite! 8-)
    
    JBG

	Mr Coulthard is a pleasant enough chap, not at all bad in 
	a racing car, but he suffers the desperate misfortune of
	being scottish. Unfortunately this results in support from
	a type who views everything through tartan tinted glasses.

	He is however young and may yet shrug it off. As Dr Johnston
	said "Much can be made of a scotsman if he be caught young".

	-John

    Re .-1
    
    I don't  think terms like 'misfortune of being scottish' should be used
    in this or any other conference.
    
    Royston

    
    John, you forgot the smileys there mate, or were you deliberately
    trying to wind up Mr Wilson?
    
    Coulthard looks like being a star of the future. Whether his talent
    develops in the same way as Schumacher & Hill or get stiffled like
    Alesi remains to be seen. I think Nige deserves one last full season -
    he'll encourage sponsership, which F1 cannot survive without, and make
    the season that much more exciting (eg. he never gives up). If he
    stays, and if Williams stands by his promise to Hill, then Coulthard
    goes to Mclaren which is the best place for him - Ron will look after
    him a hell of a lot better than Frank (IMO) and next season would look
    pretty good.....
    
    eg:
    
    Williams	Benneton	Mclaren		Ferrari
    
    Mansell	Schumacher	Hakkinnen	Alesi
    Hill	Brundell?	Coulthard	Berger
    
    ....4 British drivers in the top 8 seats! 8-)
    
    JBG 

    Re: .137.
    
    As the majority of us unbiased Scotsmen say to loud mouthed Englishmen
    (that comes under the dictionary as one word, doesn't it ?). "Much
    can be made of an Englishman if he's caught young enough. Like a purse
    for the sporran made from his scrotum." Don't stray over the border - 
    we are into ethnic cleansing at the moment.
    
    regards,
            someone with a life & not a chip on his shoodurs.

    One thing after seeing Coulthard on "sportsman of the year" or whatever
    (I don't know whether somebody's already said this in this topic)...
    
    What a Chin.
    
    :-)]

    Re:.140   I'll second that. Im english... well born 4 miles from the
    scottish border...Wouldn't go back down there to stay unless I really
    had to.
    				brian.

    Bizarre bizarre
    
    According to Sport Auto the FIA have decided to soften their views on
    elctronic devices like "drive by wire" clutch and throttle control as
    well as electronic differential provided these devices comply with a
    certain set of strict rules. Strange isn't it ?
    
    The FIA apparently have great confidence in their software experts, the
    LRDA (LDRA?) software company who was able to analyse this year's F1
    black boxes.
    
    If this should be confirmed then each F1 team is required to supply
    their whatever management software to the FIA who will periodically
    and randomly check it against the running cars devices. Needless to say
    the team found guilty of cheating will be excluded from the
    championship ... 

    Just because one Englishman? runs down the Scottish,do you have to sink
    to the same level and run the rest of us down?We're not all the same.
    Enough said....
    
    Tyrone
    

    In the contract of Benetton is written that Verstappen will be the
    second driver next year [1995] and not Herbert.
     The spokesman Maria Bellanca said there isn't any written contract that
    Herbert should be the second driver for Benetton.
    But next week Briatore will return to the Benetton-manufacturingside in
    Enstone to decide whose gone be the second driver.
     
    Greetings Mick..
    

    RE: .143
    
    Patrick,
    
    >>FIA make a 180 on electronics
    
    If any of the teams are using the Pentium chip then could well be a
    180.999992345� about turn on the electronics!
    
    Perhaps the teams could you the FP error to their advantage in the rev
    counter or the non-existant traction control box - sorry it wasn't us
    it was the chip! 
    
    :-)

    re .144
    
    Yes.
    
    
    I was actually trying to incite Jimmy Hill's long lost son. I apologise
    to the few OK Englishmen who write incitive notes of that nature.
    
    Davie

Provisional 1995 F1 World Championship Entries (14-Dec-94)
----------------------------------------------------------

Team		Engine		Driver 1	Driver 2 	Test driver
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Williams	Renault		Hill		Mansell?	Collard?
Benetton	Renault		Schumacher	Brundle?	Verstappen?
McLaren		Ilmor		Hakkinen	Coulthard	Magnussen
Ferrari		Ferrari		Berger		Al�si		Larini
Ligier		Honda-Mugen?	Herbert		Panis		Lagorce
Lotus?		?		?		?		?
Jordan		Peugeot		Barrichello	Irvine		Aiello?
Tyrrell		Yamaha-Judd	Katayama	?		?
Sauber		Ford-Zetec	Wendlinger?	Frentzen	?
Footwork	Hart?		Fittipaldi?	?		?
Minardi		Ford?		Martini?	?		?
Larrousse	Ford?		?		?		?
Simtek		Ford?		Brabham?	?		?
Pacific		Ford?		Gachot?		?		?

DAMS ?		Ford?		Comas?		Boullion?
Forti Corse	Ford?		Fittipaldi?	Moreno?

    
    OK,
    
    	its apparently official (BBC World Service)......the lawyers have
    decided that Coulthard has a vald contract with......wait for it.....
    
    				Frank Williams.
    
    	Eurosport Teletex are claiming that Williams have announced their
    '95 line-up as Hill & Coulthard & that Mansell has had talks with
    Ferrari. Could this mean Alesi in a McLaren? All will be revealed in
    due course.....
    
    JBG

I've created a new conference for F1 discussion. I can't make you use it but it 
will have the advantage of breaking the discussion down into topics, rather than
one long topic for the season.

It's on VANGA::F1

Dave.

    I also caught the story on news at ten last night,Coulthard to stay
    with Williams next season.Good luck to a fine Scotsman... :^)
    
    Tyrone
    

    
    Re -.2
    
    Dave,
    
    	it seems to me we have a pretty daft situation here. None of the
    regular F1 contributors expressed a desire for a seperate F1 conference
    & now we're going to have 3 sources of F1 information/discussion, ie.
    here, RACERS in the US and your new F1 conference. We should either
    shift all the F1 info from here into your new conference or otherwise
    forget the new conference & keep it all here. My vote goes for keeping
    it here. What do others think. I do want to have to access 2
    conferences to see who has the most up-to-date info.
    
    JBG

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	Mr Coulthard is a pleasant enough chap, not at all bad in 
	a racing car, but he suffers the desperate misfortune of
	being scottish. Unfortunately this results in support from
	a type who views everything through tartan tinted glasses.

	He is however young and may yet shrug it off. As Dr Johnston
	said "Much can be made of a scotsman if he be caught young".

	-John

Other GP drivers to suffer from the same "misfortune" were Jackie Stewart and
er....Jim Clark?

And why should us poor, down trodden Scot's not support with "tartan tinted
glasses".....especially when Coulthard can beat the "cream" of British GP
drivers......an old foggie and someone who does not have the gut's to overtake
anything during a race.

As Dr Johnston(who?) said also "Much can be made of a prat if he be brain dead 
too"

John. 




     

	I think that you're mixing up Dr Johnson with Robbie Coltrane.

	As for Coultard, what a balls up.  I'd rather that he had joined
	Mclaren, apart from the good Scotish sounding name, it's not
	run by Frank Williams.  Given a good car and the right tutorship,
	I think that he'll be one of the greats.  He clearly has talent.

	Dave (Yorkshireman, not a hint of Scotish blood and *absolutely*
	 	no southern muck :o~)

	

Personally I don't mind "wading" through all the other CARS_UK topics to 
get to F1. 

Occasionally I see something interesting, occasionally I laugh - there are 
some quite ludicrous topics on doing up cars and putting in big speakers or 
big carburettors or both! I still not sure it's not a wind up - I can't see 
the point!

Back to the point - thanks Dave for setting it up, but I'd prefer it in one 
place.

Rupert

    
    I vote we leave it here, if it's being put to the vote that is...
    
    Graham

    Well, CEEFAX and ITV TELETEXT service merely state that Williams have a
    valid contract (testing until end of 94) with Coulthard and therefore
    have first option on Coulthards services for next season, where as
    EuroSport (as mentioned a couple of notes ago) did say that Coulthard
    was confirmed as Hills partner next season.
    
    In that report, they also showed footage of Schumacher giving the
    Renault a test in a current Ligier. Then we saw Panis put his car
    through its paces around Estoril while the commentator told us that the
    Frenchman had told them that one of the Suzuki clan would be his
    driving partner next season and that the cars will run Mugens.
    
    
    Terry B

    Barcelona tests (last week)
    ---------------------------
    
    Eddie Irvine was the sole Jordan-Peugeot driver (Barrichello is present
    at Estoril this week in the 2nd car). Irvine tested both the 'old' 1994
    car with some minor mods and the new 1995 car with the new 'interim' 3
    litre Peugeot V10. At the same time Heinz-Harald Frentzen was testing
    the 'old' Sauber-Ilmor.
    
    Guess what ?
    
    Irvine was fastest in the new 1995 Jordan-Peugeot 3 litre version !

    Re -.1 - how did the times compare with the 3.5 times Patrick?
    

I could not give a ^%^%# where F1 is discussed, Notes is very democratic, if you
don't use the new conference, I'll shut it down. If you see the advantage of
seperate topics then you know what to do.

Regards,
Dave.

    
    Dave,
    
    	I don't want to have to look in BOTH places. So, either copy the F1
    note from CARS to F1 or shut F1 down - there's no point having both
    sources - it defeats the whole object!
    
    JBG

    I don't see why F1 can't be discussed in both notesfiles.
    
    Several folks have made it clear they only access cars_uk to look
    at F1 notes.
    
    The original idea for this conference was to discuss cars and motoring
    in the UK. Whilst discussion of motor racing is fine it would make
    sense to have a seperate conference so that it can easily discussed in
    seperate topics instead of one long string.
    
    I guess the next few days/weeks will decide. Already there is a
    following in VANGA::F1 (including myself in read only mode). 
    Most noters skim several notesfile. I don't see it as any hassle to 
    scan one more.
    
    FWIW
    
    Royston

    I often find that there is some much opinionated pontification in the
    F% notes that I next unseen them. I would prefer it to be outside, I
    think. I'm not too sure about all motor sport though. I'm kind of
    ambivalent about the whole thing really.
    
    If the F1 conference is to survive, I can see the case for moving the
    F1 notes from here to the new conference.
    
    Laurie.

    As a Canadian owner of a British car, I like to browse through this
    file.  I find it interesting.  The F1 coverage is good and a nice bonus
    but I will not make the effort to go to a different conference to see
    F1 coverage.  I think the F1 discussions should stay where it is in
    this Notes file.
    
    FWIW,
    Brian Pituley
    
    PS:  I don't really care which team Mansell ends up driving for......he
    makes whatever series he drives in more interesting.  Yes, he may whine
    and yes, he may show bad manners and poor grace at times but at least
    he stands out from the crowd of driver 'droids that make up so much of
    the racing scene.  
    
    

    .159�    Re -.1 - how did the times compare with the 3.5 times Patrick?
    
    I think Irvine did 1'24"1 in the 3.0 vs 1'24"28 in the 3.5. Frentzen
    was also doing around 1'24"2 in this year's Sauber-Ilmor.
    
    Needless to say Peugeot and Jordan were very happy.  

    Schumacher took the Ligier-Renault for a spin round Estoril yesterday.
    He took two whole seconds off Panis' best time in practice for this
    year's Portuguese GP. This was the first time he'd ever sat in the car.
    
    This man clearly has extra-terrestrial talent, just like Moss, Clark,
    or Senna.
    
    Edward.

RE :Last

I always thought the Schu was awesome, and suspect that the Benetton is
"holding" him back somewhat. In a Williams or McLaren he could be even better!

John

    .166�    Schumacher took the Ligier-Renault for a spin round Estoril yesterday.
    .166�    He took two whole seconds off Panis' best time in practice for this
    .166�    year's Portuguese GP. This was the first time he'd ever sat in the car.
    
    Schumacher did 1'20"8, then Panis did 1'21"5. I don't have times for
    Herbert, Lagorce and Jorg Muller.
    
    BTW, the Briatore family has released the following official statement:
    
    - Benetton-Renault team:	Schumacher, Herbert
    - Ligier-Honda team:	Panis, Suzuki
    
    Aguri Suzuki was obviously part of the Honda deal. No comment on the
    Mercedes contract signed by Schumacher for 1996.
    
    Tyrrell Yamaha have Katayama and Blundell testing an interim car.
    
    Williams-Renault also have an interim car based on the FW16B on test
    with the RS6C engine. Coulthard and Collard set fastest lap times (1
    second below Schumi and the Ligier).
    
    Luca di Montezemolo has officially announced that Ferrari have a V10 on
    the bench. Depending on progress this new engine may appear in a race
    car in 1995. 

    Rubens Barrichello and Laurent Aiello are conducting tests with the 
    interim Jordan-Peugeot with the 3 litre V10.

    
    ...I've gone to VANGA::F1
    
    Tony.

    Open VANGA::F1.
    Remote node is not currently reachable.
    And the UK is closed for a week.
    
    I heard on the tranny this am that Benneton have denied any interest in
    signing Mansell for next year and have repeated that their second
    driver will "probably" be Herbert.
    
    So where does this leave "Il Leone"? I suspect he may be left out in
    the cold next year, albeit at huge expense to Williams. There again, a
    one-year contract with Mclaren might suit him.
    
    Happy New Year to all F1 noters.
    Edward.

    �Remote node is not currently reachable.  And the UK is closed for a
     week.
    
    There was a request that machines not needed over the Xmas break should
    be powered off. Several UK notesfile host machine are shutdown at
    present for this reason.
    
    Yesterday, today and tomorrow are not official holidays in the UK 
    and many companies are working as usual. Digital is not officially open
    for business until next week but the CSC is open and we are taking plenty
    of support calls.
    
    Royston

VANGA::F1 is now open again for business. 

Dave.

What's up with Wanga? I was never able to connect to this node?

Best regards,
Jean-Charles

    �What's up with Wanga? I was never able to connect to this node?
    
    Perhaps because its VANGA:: ?
    
    Royston

    WANGA should be VANGA

    I'd have thought the pointer in the notes title would have been clue
    enough !
    
    Royston