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1667.1 | Oil doesn't repair | HOTSPR::KENNEDY | Vote Rab C. Nesbitt | Wed Jan 22 1992 13:30 | 19 |
| I would recommend that the bigend shells are replaced before the crank
is damaged beyond salvation - that is if it is not too late already.
Reshelling, and a possible crank regrind, will be cheaper than a new
crankshaft.
I would not advocate using "straight" oil in what is a relatively
modern engine. For many years engines have been designed with the
detergent, anti-corrosion and multigrade properties of modern lubricants
in mind.
Synthetic oils only surpass mineral oils in extreme conditions, and/or
allow extended oil change intervals.
My personal view on oil additives is - if they are so good why does no
oil company put them in their products?
Bite the bullet - get it fixed before it goes bang!
- John.
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1667.2 | big ends are relatively cheap | CMOTEC::JASPER | | Wed Jan 22 1992 14:05 | 1 |
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1667.3 | | LARVAE::LINCOLN_J | | Fri Jan 24 1992 15:07 | 11 |
| Nice Car. Use modern multigrade it's better.
Big end bearings are cheap to buy, but getting a � ton, cast
iron 3 litre engine out of a car and getting the crankshaft
ground is a different kettle of fish.
Trivia question - What was unusual about the 3 speed gearbox
on the original Healey 100/4 (precursor to the 3000)?
-John
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1667.4 | Pre-selector box ? (A'la ERA...) | FUTURS::WATSON | Rik Watson | Fri Jan 24 1992 16:08 | 1 |
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1667.5 | 'fraid not | LARVAE::LINCOLN_J | | Fri Jan 24 1992 16:25 | 0 |
1667.6 | Overdrive on 2nd and top? | HOTSPR::KENNEDY | Vote Rab C. Nesbitt | Fri Jan 24 1992 16:38 | 1 |
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1667.7 | 3 cogs used in a 4 cog box? | ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGH | Naked in a cave in the Jemez | Fri Jan 24 1992 16:49 | 6 |
| Wasn't the low gear blocked off, so that you were effectively
starting in 2nd gear ?
Due to the drive train having been lifted from the Austin A-90 saloon
and the 100/4 not needing such a low starting gear?
Terry
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1667.8 | Manual Auto | HOTSPR::KENNEDY | Vote Rab C. Nesbitt | Fri Jan 24 1992 17:05 | 1 |
| 3 speed automatic gearbox with manual shift only!
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1667.9 | done! | LARVAE::LINCOLN_J | | Mon Jan 27 1992 12:03 | 8 |
| .7 is correct. They wanted to achieve the magic ton for top
speed and in the frugal early fifties the choice of transmission
bits was limited. So the arrangement used gave the top speed
but resulted in 1st being so low it was blanked off, hence
producing what may well have been the only 3 speed car with
a 4 speed gearbox.
-John
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1667.10 | | UNTADH::STUBBS | | Wed Jan 29 1992 13:38 | 2 |
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But isn't the 100/4 a wonderful shape?
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1667.11 | | FUTURS::LEECH | O.K. Mr. Moley... | Wed Jan 29 1992 14:42 | 3 |
| re -1.
Yes.
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1667.12 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Wed Jan 29 1992 15:37 | 7 |
| .9� but resulted in 1st being so low it was blanked off, hence
.9� producing what may well have been the only 3 speed car with
.9� a 4 speed gearbox.
I've owned both a BN1 (3 speed) and a BN2 (4 speed). I did not know
about the hidden 1st gear. Have they in fact used the same gearbox in
the BN2 with different ratios ? or have they used a different box ?
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1667.13 | Back to the noise | UNTADA::STUBBS | | Tue Mar 03 1992 15:55 | 11 |
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Closer investigation into the noise from my engine compartment has
revealed that my rocker/tappet settings desparately need resetting,
rather than big end trouble.
I have now had one go at it, but it seems to be one of those tasks
that takes lots of patience and lots of time.
BTW. I have changed the oil to Castrol GTX 20/50. It is definitely
better than the 10/40 I was topping up with.
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1667.14 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | a beacon of tolerance & politeness | Tue Mar 03 1992 17:21 | 14 |
| There's a handy tip for tappets, assuming you're dealing with a four
cylinder engine, with the conventional 8 tappets. It's called the "Rule
of Nine". Basically, deduct the number of a tappet FULLY down (ie
valve open) from 9, and that's the one you adjust.
In other words, ensure valve 5 is fully open, right on the cam, and
then adjust tappet 4 for gap. Wipe the oil off those adjusted so you
can keep track of them.
Another tip, is to take the plugs out (they usually are anyway), put
the car in second gear (on level ground!), and "pull/push" the tappets
up and down. Much easier than trying to pull on the fan belt.
Laurie.
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1667.15 | some like it hot... | SHIPS::SAUNDERS_N | Village Idiot says RKE | Tue Mar 03 1992 20:57 | 5 |
| Also that the engine is either cold or hot at the time of checking/adjustment,
some manufactures prefer in inflict burns as well as scratches when manually
turning the engine over.
Nigel.
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1667.16 | | MARVIN::RUSLING | SHARK/DOLPHIN Software Project Leader | Wed Mar 04 1992 10:55 | 5 |
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A good tip for moving the tappets, Laurie, only the last time I did
that I stood the car on my foot. Not painful, just embarassing.
Dave
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1667.17 | | LARVAE::LINCOLN_J | | Wed Mar 04 1992 12:39 | 24 |
| 'Adjusting the tappets' - fine old expression which strictly
speaking only applies to side valve engines but always seems to
get used for OHV ones too.
Since it's a six you need to use the rule of x (can't remember)
instead of 9.
One thing I learnt early on adjusting rocker arm clearances is
that with use the valve heads wear a groove (of considerable
depth relatively speaking) into the rocker arm. This means that
if you just put feeler gauges between the two, you end up setting
the gap far too large ie. feeler gauge + wear. I used to have
a set of feeler gauges which had been narrowed down so that they
would fit in the groove to overcome this. Also there was a tool
coloquially known as a "Tappet Adjuster" which worked by closing
the gap fully and then backing off by the desired amount as
indicated on a scale. This could be used with the engine
actually running (idling) with a bit of practice and made the
whole exercise a doddle.
If you should get tired of messing about with this old toad
of a car I'll see if I can find some room in may garage for it.
-John
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1667.18 | It must be possible | UNTADH::STUBBS | | Fri Mar 06 1992 12:38 | 18 |
| RE: .17 The possibility of local or uneven valve wear is not one
I had considered.
I do know, that when I drove the car from the garage at
Christmas (I had had the head reconditioned) it drove very
smoothly. If I was still in the U.K. I would get the same
engineer to set them up again - I had been told that they
would need checking after 500 miles.
The HAYNES manual seems clear as to which valve to adjust
when - valve 1 fully open -> adjust valve 12.
valve 2 fully open -> adjust valve 11 etc
There definitely seems to be an art to it so I shall
persevere.
Any more tips I shall be grateful of.
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1667.19 | Too much oil pressure? | UNTADH::STUBBS | | Thu Feb 11 1993 16:51 | 51 |
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Well, the engine eventually seized. Last year I had it completely
rebuilt - it needed it anyway.
Having now run the new engine in I am left with a problem,
caused by the oil pressure of a healthy engine. Basically,
oil is forced up through the breather pipe in the rocker
cover, through the air filter and drips onto the exhaust
manifold!
Here is the layout:
Air
filter
_____
| | Flexible hose
| --------------------- Breather
| ___________________ \ T-bar
| | \ \------ o----------o
| | \________ o___ ____o to tappets |
| | | | |
| | _____________| |_____________ |
| | / \ V
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v | |
v | |
Oil | ROCKER COVER |
drips | |
v --------------------------------
v | |
CYLINDER HEAD
The flexible breather hose goes from the air filter to the
rocker cover and then to the tappet cover.
The air filter is an old-fashioned oil-filled wire gauze type.
The air filter probably pulls the oil up the flexible pipe
since there is a vacuum in the air filter caused by the air
intake.
If I remove the flexible hose from the air filter, the oil
leak is not so severe. But then I have no filtering for the
air in the rocker cover.
Any suggestions on how I can maintain an air filter on the
rocker cover breather pipe and stop the overflow of oil?
- Jonathan
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1667.20 | | ESBS01::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Fri Feb 12 1993 08:58 | 11 |
| � Having now run the new engine in I am left with a problem,
� caused by the oil pressure of a healthy engine. Basically,
� oil is forced up through the breather pipe in the rocker
� cover, through the air filter and drips onto the exhaust
� -< Too much oil pressure? >-
I would have thought this was caused by 'too much blow-by', rather than
'too much oil pressure'. Are you sure the engine is now run in ?
J.R.
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1667.21 | let it breath .. | UBOHUB::BELL_A1 | still they want more | Fri Feb 12 1993 09:30 | 16 |
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The problem you describe is indeed excess 'oil' pressure. I assume that
you have checked the oil level, for excess ?. This problem is usually
caused by a pressure build up in the crank area. On most manufacturers
engines there is a 'sump' breather hose with a pressure valve attached.
As the engine has been 'rebuilt' this hose may be trapped, obstructed
or the valve may have been reversed. It was common on Ford OHV engines
to block this pipe and increase crank pressure when 'tuning' for
endurance sports, somthing about extra pressure below the pistons
acting as a cushion. Is the dipstick a tight fit ? does it tend to
'pop'out of it's holder ? this is usually evidence of high crank
pressure, which forces the oil into the rocker box very violently and
fill the breather tube void.
Alan.
ex 'stage 3' escort owner who has the same problem.
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1667.22 | Dip-stick stays dipped. | UNTADH::STUBBS | | Fri Feb 12 1993 12:21 | 21 |
| The engine has done 1200 miles. I suppose that by 3000 miles I could
consider it truly run in.
Re: -1 the oil level is OK and the dipstick is not tight and doesn't
pop out.
The oil pressure is about 60, dropping to 40 when warm and idling.
The problem does not seem as bad now as it did, but I assumed it was
because I removed the breather pipe from the air filter and let it
dangle away from the exhaust manifold (you can imagine the smoke!)
I seem to remember the garage having to manufacture an oil
recirculation pipe because there wasn't one before.
What do you mean by "blow-by"? Is this the oil redirected to the
rocker arms?
Thanks for the pointers.
- Jonathan
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1667.23 | | FORTY2::PALKA | | Fri Feb 12 1993 12:45 | 14 |
| The breather pipe is there to allow any excess gases in the sump/rocker
cover to escape (via the inlet manifold so that any oil gets burnt).
Normally there is only a small amount of gas that has to go this route.
In an old engine the valve guides and piston rings get worn, and allow
more gases to escape from the cylinder into the sump and rocker cover.
This is known as 'blow by'. Another possible source of gas is a gasket
leak, which might allow the coolant to evaporate. If you get too much
flow of gas via the breather pipe then it can carry oil with it. If the
breather is blocked these gases buildup, and will eventually exit via
some other path. E.g. via the dipstick.
Andrew
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1667.24 | Worn rocker bushes throw oil into vent | WMOIS::GAVIN_B | | Fri Feb 12 1993 13:44 | 21 |
| Years ago when I worked as a BMC mechanic we often had Healeys come
in with exactly the problem you describe. It always turned out to be
worn rocker arm bushings and shaft. The Rocker cover vent is located
where it gets a direct shot of oil thrown off the rocker arms, and
there is no baffle to prevent this oil from going up the pipe.
I'd start by putting a good oil pressure gauge on the engine to make
sure someone didn't jack up the pressure to delay the inevitable
rebuild; if pressure is out of spec, look for the relief valve on
the filter mounting block and adjust if needed. (only if NEEDED !!)
The most likely fix, but not cheap, is replacing the rocker shaft and
bushes.
As a last resort, a baffle inside the rocker cover will keep most of
the oil out of the vent.
Good luck with your Healey, It's a fun car
- Bill
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1667.25 | Worn shaft probable! Don't tell the wife. | UNTADH::STUBBS | | Fri Feb 12 1993 14:55 | 18 |
| Thanks for the replies, esp. .-1.
I have not doubt that the engine rebuild was a good one - I watched it
progress. Also it was "blue-printed" - the major moving parts were
machined to within a high tolerance and then dynamically balanced.
However, the rocker assembly is not new so I can imagine that the
explanation of "worn rocker shaft and bushes" is valid.
As long as there is sufficient oil reaching all parts of the rocker
assembly and there is no harmful vibration then I reckon they should
be alright. But I'll have a good look.
I shall investigate adding a baffle in front of the breather hole.
The existing rocker cover is a very old bashed tin one. It does not
give a good seal so oil leaks out the side. When I tighten down the
two securing bolts it lifts at the edges. I have bought a new allow
cover in the hope that this will be much more rigid.
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