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Conference vmszoo::flying

Title:General Aviation
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Moderator:STAR::BUDA
Created:Mon Mar 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5214
Total number of notes:66213

5210.0. "Missing, believed lost (misplaced)" by WOTVAX::HILLN (It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall) Thu Apr 10 1997 07:01

    What's the story on the missing A10 Warthog?
    
    All I've heard is odd snatches that it went missing during a training
    exercise about two weeks ago - it disappeared from the radar, then
    briefly reappeared on radar showing it about 800 miles away, and is now
    lost.
    
    Meanwhile the Pentagon is rather embarassed trying to explain:
    1 How it went missing.
    2 Why they can't find it.
    
    Anyone know anything more?
    
    Nick
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5210.1TROOA::MCRAMDigital: There's no Life like it!Thu Apr 10 1997 08:2718
    
    As I understand it went fell out of a 3 ship formation heading South
    West from Davis-Monthan AFB in Arizona and somehow made it's way North 
    West to Colorado.  There was a brief radar sighting and a lot of 
    eyewitnesses who place it there.
    
    Some heard a big bang and saw a smoke plume.  It was carrying 4 Mk.82
    500 pound bombs.
    
    Logically either the pilot ejected and the jet flew itself until it hit
    a mountain, or he became incapacitated and rode it to the end, or an
    accidental ejection-type accident like the Britsh Harrier a few years
    back. (Pilot pulled through canopy by chute, plane flew a long way
    with bang-seat still in the plane).
    
    Marshall
    
    
5210.2Hmm Finders keepers????SSDEVO::RMCLEANThu Apr 10 1997 14:514
  Also... They have had wonderful weather here the past few days (Pea soup fog
and icing) so that they can't even do a good search.  I expect that when the
weather clears a bit more they may well find it.  That is assuming that
the guy didn't fly it someplace and take it apart for parts ;-.]
5210.3still missingMAIL1::BARNESJMon Apr 14 1997 12:5724
    
    I saw one newscast in which an Air Force spokesman reported that:
    
    	1.  The aircraft's transponder had been turned off (or
    	    malfunctioned),
    	2.  The aircraft had been observed making manuvers that could not have
    	    logically been made if the pilot was incapacitated,
    
    Some others have speculated that the aircraft has been "borrowed" but
    if that were the case the pilot could have easily avoided radar
    detection in Colorado since A-10 pilots are trained to use terrain
    masking to evade radar detection.
    
    Local search team members in Colorado were quoted as saying that over
    the years any number of aircraft have been lost in the mountains and
    could not be located, some have been inadvertently found years later by
    hikers. Snowfall in the area could quickly cover a crash site making
    detection almost impossible.
    
    As of this morning the aircraft and pilot are still missing and the
    weather was forecasted to hamper search crews.
    
    JB
                                                  
5210.4PCBUOA::MEDRICKTue Apr 22 1997 13:049
    1. A wingman's transponder is in "standby", only the Flight Lead's
    transponder is "on".
    2. Unless the autopilot was engaged, a straight wing acft without a pilot 
    (disabled or missing) would tend to fly the vertical maneuvers with 
    wing-overs in random directions or in a single direction with an 
    assymetrical load.......a swept wingwould do "dutch rolls" under the same 
    conditions.
    
    Frank
5210.5VMSSG::FRIEDRICHSAsk me about Young EaglesTue Apr 22 1997 16:276
    FWIW - They believe they have found some of the wreckage.   They 
    have spotted it from the air, but have not been able to get people
    in on the ground yet to confirm and/or locate the pilot...
    
    jeff
    
5210.6updateQUAKKS::DWORSACKMon Jun 02 1997 15:475
    another one that didnt want to be found ??? (i thougt when i first
    heard)...
    
    
    i foget how this one turned out ??
5210.7He was foundTROOA::MCRAMDigital: There's no Life like it!Mon Jun 02 1997 16:099
    
    They found the A-10 and enough of the pilot to identify by DNA testing.
    
    I don't think they will ever know *why* he did what he did.
    (Assuming that he wasn't disabled).  
    
    Marshall
    
    
5210.8No Funds, Patchwork MaintenanceSMURF::LIUMy Beer? Scudrunner Dark of courseTue Jun 03 1997 10:2212
    
    And another A-10 went in last week on the same bombing range.
    
    My partner-in-crime's eldest son flys A-10's out of Eilson AFB
    in AK.  The A-10 program is the unwanted orphan of USAF.  The
    airplanes aren't sexy and the original manufacturer is no longer
    in business (Republic).  So it sounds like they are short of
    maintenance funding.  I hear about hydraulic hoses being
    spliced instead of replaced.  And only half the airplanes
    being flyable at a time.  Not a pretty picture.  If they
    don't improve, I expect you'll hear about more crashes.