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| 82.1 | | 45384::IBL | while you still can! | Tue May 24 1988 15:05 | 6 |
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An "Indie" band, I have always assumed, is one that is signed to
an "independent" record label. Now, what an "independent" record
label is....well....um.....someone help me out here.
Ian!
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| 82.2 | Indie days.. | RDGENG::MOXLEY | Nuke the A33 | Tue May 24 1988 15:27 | 13 |
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A few thoughts on "indie", in the good 'ole days (1977), 'indie'
was fairly easy to identify, most credible punk bands put out their
stuff on 'indie' labels like Rough Trade, and Stiff, (2 of the most
well known).
Nowadays, however, the lines between 'indie' and other labels are
harder to draw, I would suggest that any label ,not associated
or owned by a major record company (Polydor, EMI, WEA, etc etc),
could be called an 'indie'
Any clearer?
Si
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| 82.3 | in 1977 i hope i go to heaven | COGVAX::CAREY | OI THATS YER LOT | Tue May 24 1988 17:07 | 6 |
| Some bands would just release 1 single or Lp for that label.
Not like the major labels that make you sign a package deal.
The Clash - 'Hitsville in the U.K.' is about indie labels
Michael
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| 82.4 | | DITHER::COTTON | | Tue May 24 1988 18:47 | 10 |
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Indie labels usually give their artists total creative powers as
well, rather than forcing them to sign a contract saying that they
must produce x singles and x albums per year.
However, most people interpret the term `indie' to mean `Anorak',
referring to the type of person who listens to indie music.
Lee.
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| 82.5 | | RDGE22::QUICK | I drink therefore I am | Wed May 25 1988 13:21 | 7 |
| >> However, most people interpret the term `indie' to mean `Anorak',
>> referring to the type of person who listens to indie music.
What?
Confused.
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| 82.6 | Who goes there - friend or jacket ? | YIPPEE::BUXTON | Steve Buxton - EAITG Valbonne | Wed May 25 1988 14:02 | 12 |
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RE : .-2
Yeah, I'm with you Jonathan.
Now that we've got "Indie" a little clearer, what kind of person
is an "Anorak" ?
Should we start a new topic called "glossary" ??
- Steve B.
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| 82.7 | | OFFCLU::DKEATING | Not all that shivers is cold | Wed May 25 1988 15:05 | 2 |
| What type of a person/label/group is a Glossary ???
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| 82.8 | |-) | COMICS::KEY | careful with that VAX eugene... | Wed May 25 1988 15:19 | 3 |
| > What type of a person/label/group is a Glossary ???
...The kind that gets interviewed in glossy magazines?
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| 82.9 | | RDGE22::QUICK | I drink therefore I am | Wed May 25 1988 15:50 | 11 |
| No, it's a group from Gloucester...
Incidentally I can now confirm, after carefull reading of the
MM and conversation with several professional musicians, that
the term 'Indie' definitely means 'independant' i.e. independant
of the 'majors' (EMI etc as listed a few notes back). Knowing
the true meanings of music biz slang somehow takes the mystery
out of it and makes it less fun so don't tell me what 'Anorak'
means!
JJ. (Raincoat)
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| 82.10 | Declaration of Independence | MALLET::BARKER | Nigel Barker | Wed May 25 1988 17:14 | 7 |
| Re: < Note 82.9 by RDGE22::QUICK "I drink therefore I am" >
> the term 'Indie' definitely means 'independant' i.e. independant
Does that mean the same as 'independent'?
:-)
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| 82.11 | :-) | LDN01::TECSPEC | | Wed May 25 1988 17:17 | 8 |
| re .10
No silly!! it means INDEPENDENT.
:-):-):-)
Mazzer
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| 82.12 | | RDGE22::QUICK | I drink therefore I am | Wed May 25 1988 17:20 | 3 |
| Nonono, it means indipendynt.
JJ.
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| 82.13 | A-Z music: Pt1 | DITHER::COTTON | | Wed May 25 1988 18:15 | 13 |
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What I meant by Anorak:
Indie music is usually associated with student types, i.e. Unwashed types with
tender emotions and brutal haircuts. They were also famed for the anoraks they
wore, thus the term anorak music or an anorak band. These are condescending
terms though, they usually refer to the blander elements of the indie scene,
bands like the Shop Assistants, the Flatmates or the Close Lobsters.
See? Pop made simple. Anyone care to define Psychogothic or Skatethrashmetal?
Lee.
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| 82.14 | Psychogothic | COMICS::KEY | careful with that VAX eugene... | Thu May 26 1988 15:34 | 3 |
| Rat Scabies.
Next!
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| 82.15 | Yep! | RDGENG::MOXLEY | Nuke the A33 | Thu May 26 1988 15:37 | 7 |
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.13� Anyone care to define Psychogothic or Skatethrashmetal?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
M�torhead!
Si
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| 82.16 | Jumping Someone Else's Train | MED::ARTHUR | Once upon a time warp... | Fri May 27 1988 22:25 | 42 |
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I'm going to attempt this once and hope someone doesn't sh*t on me...
Indie or independent is the little guy. Not the guy smoking the cigar
wearing the 3-piece suit - with the limos on tour and Miller Light
sponsoring the concerts.
Also, he's the guy who has the more challenging record (generally).
In the UK there are the Charts (ugh!) and the indie charts.
In the U.S. if you're on an independent label it generally means
CBS or Warner-Electra-Asylum (where they should put me) doesn't
want you.
In the UK you just go and form your own label...take for example
UB40. The formed the DEP label and put out good records. Then, when
they signed with a major label they put out records that could earn
them big amounts of $$$ in a short time.
In the states, an independent record may probably be a regional
(local) thing. And almost certainly won't be carried by the big
boys (larger retail chains).
In the UK (smaller geographically for those of you not in the know)
distribution channels are made easier.
These indie labels spawn some of the more critically aclaimed stuff...
not the Business Oriented Rock. It generally has the feel of:
These guys are out to make music they want
NOT
These guys are really selling a lot of records
I tried...I guess you can't preach to the converted...
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| 82.17 | Skateboarding+thrashing about wildly+U235=>;-) | ANGORA::JLUDGATE | Wage Peace | Sat May 28 1988 05:34 | 19 |
| re: .16
Thank you very much for enlightening me, I had always thought it
had something to do with where the records were printed ;-)
re: .13
>Anyone care to define ... Skatethrashmetal?
Ya, that's what skatey's listen to out in CA and other mythical
places when they head out to their concrete tubes. I knew a skatey
in college, they can be really nice people, but try not to make
comments about their skateboards, or, if you do, make the comments
sound like compliments.
People keep telling me that Punk died, but I know better, he just
moved out of the city, bought a skateboard, covered it with stickers,
picked up the tempo of his music, started wearing jams, and not
a soul recognized him when they met him.
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| 82.18 | set mod/hat=on | RDGENG::KEDMUNDS | $ no !fm2r, no comment | Sat May 28 1988 14:49 | 12 |
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whoops! I write record reviews for my college paper......I recently
did a review on the "Wild Swans"....I used the term, "Indy" to refer
to a type of guitar style....sort of like Will Seargant's
expressive/expansive style....Oh well, thank goodness I didn't get
caught on that one.....ce.
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| 82.19 | Glossary entry #437 | YIPPEE::BUXTON | Steve Buxton - EAITG Valbonne | Mon May 30 1988 16:00 | 8 |
| RE .17
And what are Jams ?
(Anything like Jim-Jams = Pyjamas ??)
- Steve B.
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| 82.20 | Anything to do with UNDIEs ??? ;-) | OFFCLU::DKEATING | Not all that shivers is cold | Mon May 30 1988 16:22 | 1 |
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| 82.21 | Walking Dictionary... | MED::ARTHUR | Once upon a time warp... | Mon May 30 1988 19:02 | 25 |
| Jams (jamz) n. Slang. They are those unsightly colourful
shorts that go down to your knees. (Not Bermuda SHORTS)
The kind that only look good if you are about 16, wear
hightop basketball boots and wear a rat tail.
What is a rat tail?
That's that unsightly extra strand of hair teenagers
sometimes wear down their backs. It is usually quite
thin and sticks out well beyond the hairline - but
much too thin to be a pony tail.
Is this a generation gap or a culture gap?
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| 82.22 | | ANGORA::JLUDGATE | Wage Peace | Mon May 30 1988 19:24 | 15 |
| > Jams (jamz) n. Slang. They are those unsightly colourful
> shorts that go down to your knees. (Not Bermuda SHORTS)
> The kind that only look good if you are about 16, wear
^^^^?
> hightop basketball boots and wear a rat tail.
Silly me, I thought they were fashionable, not good looking.
They (jams) are also worn by skateboarders to a) protect their kness
from falls and b) hide those insightly scrapes from when they do
fall.
None of what I say is based on fact, just personal observation.
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| 82.23 | | MUHIS::MCHEQUER | Infected with the seasons of change | Tue May 31 1988 09:31 | 20 |
| > < Note 82.22 by ANGORA::JLUDGATE "Wage Peace" >
> They (jams) are also worn by skateboarders to a) protect their kness
> from falls and b) hide those insightly scrapes from when they do
> fall.
> None of what I say is based on fact, just personal observation.
They won't protect you that much, since they are only cotton,
if you want protection on a board, use 'knee caps'. 'knee caps'
being thick padded bandage that you put over your knee's, but only
nambs do this anyway.
Jams are usually seen at the beach, since the style comes from a make
called 'Jams' who produce beach wear....
Gru�
Mark
(who owns a few snappy Jams)
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| 82.24 | | SUBURB::DALLISON | If its too LOUD, you're too OLD | Tue May 31 1988 12:37 | 12 |
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I used to skate down at Southsea 'till I broke my 'board trying
to get air out of a concrete quater-pipe. I then started doing
BMX freestyle (Kids stuff? we're talking an expensive sport here
- would *you* pay �35 for a pair of handle-bars?) and then broke
several frames, so I could no longer afford it.
Anybody with any sense would skate with pads on, unless they
like having knees and elbows that look like pizza's.
-Tony
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| 82.25 | Watch where huskies go/Don't eat that yellow snow | MALLET::BARKER | Nigel Barker | Tue May 31 1988 12:57 | 13 |
| Re ANORAK
n. skin or cloth hooded jacket for wear in polar regions; similar
weaterproof garment for ordinary wear.
Strangely enough it is one of the few Eskimo words in use in English,
igloo and kayak are the only others that I can think of.
The eskimos apparently have dozens of words for snow with meanings
varying from 'that soft stuff that falls in late April' to 'that windy stuff
that gets down the back of your anorak and sends shivers down your spine'
Nigel
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| 82.26 | | MUHIS::MCHEQUER | Infected with the seasons of change | Tue May 31 1988 17:49 | 7 |
| re > Anybody with any sense would skate with pads on, unless they like
> having knees and elbows that look like pizza's.
Where-as nambs are clean and tidy.... un'scratched
Gru�
Mark... (Pizza's are cool)
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| 82.27 | | SUBURB::DALLISON | If its too LOUD, you're too OLD | Tue May 31 1988 18:15 | 1 |
| whassa namb???
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| 82.28 | | PLDVAX::JLUDGATE | Wage Peace | Tue May 31 1988 19:07 | 19 |
| re: .24
>Anybody with any sense would skate with pads on, unless they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>like having knees and elbows that look like pizza's.
Who said that skateys have any sense? (don't forget, these are
the same guys who take their shirts off to go slamming at a Suicidal
Tendencies concert) ;-) ;-)
I agree with what you said, just that I observed my friends skating
around campus going to and from classes, and also hanging out
practicing tricks in public squares until cops chased them away.
In these settings, people don't bother with the safety equipment,
but I'm sure that if and when they went to those specially prepared
courses and concrete pipes they would wear the gloves and pads.
jonathan
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| 82.29 | Language lessons #74 | YIPPEE::BUXTON | Steve Buxton - EAITG Valbonne | Wed Jun 01 1988 11:50 | 10 |
| RE : .-1
"who take their shirts off to go slamming"
^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this entry in a foreign language ?
Anyone care to explain this one ??
- Steve (I must be older than I feel) B.
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| 82.30 | | GYPSC::CHISHOLM | Dem Tambourines! | Wed Jun 01 1988 12:27 | 13 |
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> "who take their shirts off to go slamming"
^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is this entry in a foreign language ?
> Anyone care to explain this one ??
Slamming = Slam dancing = deliberately crashing into as many
people as possible. It's OK in a small club, but I recently
saw 2 or 3 hundred Germans slamming at a Pogues concert, I
was glad I wasn't in the middle of that!.
Doug
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| 82.31 | | SUBURB::DALLISON | those negative vibes. . . | Wed Jun 01 1988 12:34 | 19 |
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.29� go slamming???
Slamming/moshing is a term for a type of "dance", just generally
slamming into anything and anybody in a drunken stupor. (Its great
though!!!). Moshing is associated generally with Thrash metal bands
like Anthrax and Mettalica etc.. but I don't know too much about
slamming.
I used to go down the street tic-tak 'ing and 360� spins in
the street without gear on. Its not really logical to jump on
your board and trick for an hour if it takes you 20 mins to get
padded up. Obviously, if you're gonna do the bowls then a helmet
is a must. When I did BMX freestyle I used to practise in my garden,
on my quater-pipe and I always wore a lid. I never used to ride my
bike out of competition, skate-park or my Garden anyway.
Take it to the max...
-Tony
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| 82.32 | Oh dear . . . | YIPPEE::BUXTON | Steve Buxton - EAITG Valbonne | Thu Jun 02 1988 13:42 | 13 |
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RE : .-1
Thrash metal bands ?
Quater-pipe ?
Maybe I ought to just admit I'm getting old and pick up a different
conference . . .
- Steve (I always get this depressed when my birthday's approaching) B.
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| 82.33 | | SUBURB::DALLISON | just tuning the G-string... | Thu Jun 02 1988 14:52 | 50 |
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A quarter pipe is one quarter of large pipe, used for skate
boards and BMX's (and the odd Sainsburys shopping trolley).
top
_
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8ft | .
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- L________.
An example of it use follows:
An aerial
=========
Mad biker rides towards the pipe quite rapidly, aiming for the centre
of the pipe....rides up the top of the pipe and literally rides
straight up in the air. As the back wheel leaves the TOP of the
pipe rider flicks the bike 180� in the air, getting the bike completely
flat (horizontal) in mid air, whilst he does this the bike is still
rising and can sometimes reach 12 feet above the top of the quater-pipe.
landing...
This is the hard bit....once the rider has done his trick, and assuming
his is still in control of the thing (if he isn't in control then
the bike finds its own way down). Rider is now up in the air, above
the pipe and racing DOWN towards the top of the pipe. He tucks
his butt over the back wheel to balance his body weight (so he doesn't
go over the handle-bars, thats quite funny to watch %-). His front
wheel should land smoothly on the top on the pipe, and as long as his body
weight is balanced over the bike his back wheel should follow smoothly.
If the latter part of this exercise fails then the rider is generally
admitted to the nearest emergency ward.
NB, if you notice your back wheel is higher than you are then I'll
see you in the emergency ward.
There are variations of this such as One handers,
one footers, One handers/one footers, No footers,
No handers, No handers/No footers (known to most
as crashing :-)
Thrash metal, er well you'd better ask a mosher about that.
Where are you MoshDuck?????
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| 82.34 | re slamming | GALLOP::COOPERM | | Fri Jun 03 1988 14:42 | 15 |
| Slamming used to be called Wrecking when I went to Poly' (or sometimes rucking).
I think this name came from a psycho-billy band called the wrecking crew
(When the M.O.R band The Cutting Crew had there first hit, 'I just died
in your arms' they were booked into my local towns roughest nightclub to
play on 'alternive night'.They were booked on the name alone - everyone
thought they were a psycho-billy band !)
I would have loved to see the reactions of the couple of hundred
scooter-boys, flat-tops, psycho-billys and assorted hard-cases who turned
up, when they started playing.
(the audience probobly wrecked the place ( no pun intended !)
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| 82.35 | Scooter-boys & psycho-billys?????? | JUNIOR::CHILTON | Good things come to those who work | Fri Jun 03 1988 16:31 | 2 |
| re.34
;scooter-boys, flat-tops, psycho-billys
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| 82.36 | scooter-boys, flat-tops and psycho-billys | GALLOP::COOPERM | | Mon Jun 06 1988 15:05 | 33 |
| Flat tops: this ones easy ! Its the style of haircut where all the hair
is combed upwards and cut with electric clippers into a flat topped wedge.
Favored by all kinds of student types. You might see the odd anorak with
a flat top (see earlier notes re anorak),
but flat tops tend to be a little more towards the extremes of musical
taste.
Scooter-boys . These have evolved from the sixties Mods. You could say that
at one extreme of the scooter boys is the old fashioned mod and at the other
is your basic skinhead.(also, owning a scooter helps !).
Where I hail from, of the local clubs, the Pool Dam Scooter Club was Generaly
reckoned to contain some of the most Psychopathic nutters in the area. Scooter
boys must be second in the don't-want-to-meet-in-a-dark-alley league. (second
behind scooter girls - just as evil ,but they scratch !)
Psycho-billy :Take a rockabilly band,replace acustic with
electric, hike up the volume,double the speed, and you've got
psycho-billy !
Best psycho-billy bands I've heard - The meteors, restless
You will also find psycho-billys listening to the likes of the clash and
other Punky stuff .
you can spot psycho-billys a mile of 'cos they all dress like they're
going to a barn dance, exept they have flat tops, often with the front fringe
grown to six inches or more long and made to point out from the fore head
like a sordfishes spike, using bags of gel and about two cans of hairspray.
P.S. this is all up to date as of LAST summer, so the above, being trendy
have probobly shaved of their flat-tops and bought skate boards. ah well
such is progress !
There is that any clearer ?
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| 82.37 | Scooter boys & girls.... kac kac kac | MUHIS::MCHEQUER | Infected with the seasons of change | Mon Jun 06 1988 17:53 | 8 |
| I thought Scooter boys and girls got the names from 'scoot'ing away, at
the slightest hint off any trouble on their little Roger ram jets.
The only reason you don't want to meet a scooter in an alley, is
because he/she will usually run into you in a fit of panic.
Gru�
Mark
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| 82.38 | Indie taster album? | CURRNT::SAXBY | Isn't it 5.30 yet? | Fri Nov 10 1989 15:50 | 14 |
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Are there any good indie compilation albums around?
I bought an album called Pillows and Prayers years ago which was
a compilation album put out at a silly price (was it 99p?) with
lots of tracks by the artists on a particular label. There is some
great stuff on it and some real dross, but I'd quite like to get
something similar to get a taste of the new indie groups who I
don't know much about, since it is a good way to decide what you
like the sound of and what you don't?
Any recomendations?
Mark
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| 82.39 | ... | BAHTAT::STURROCK | Dear Magda....? | Fri Nov 10 1989 16:57 | 6 |
| A definate buy has to be the 'Indie Hits' series of albums. I think
there's about 5 or 6 volumes available now. They're the indie version
of 'Now That's What I Call...'. Some dross, some good stuff. Check
out your local indie record shops 'various' section.
Bruce
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| 82.40 | That's the way the Cookie crumbles | AYOV18::GHERMAN | George Herman 823-3016 | Fri Nov 10 1989 18:31 | 2 |
| Hot Cookies has some tasty tracks for "Cooking Vinyl" including
some Michelle Shocked.
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| 82.41 | Ooops again... | ERIC::STURROCK | Dear Magda....? | Mon Nov 13 1989 10:09 | 3 |
| When I said 'Indie Hits' I meant 'Indie Top 20'.
B
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| 82.42 | Is it all like this? | CURRNT::SAXBY | Digital? Yeah I worked there ONCE! | Fri Feb 16 1990 15:15 | 7 |
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Since I couldn't find any particular note about them I'll ask my
question here...
Is 'Brassneck' typical of the Wedding Presents' material?
Mark
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| 82.43 | It's fairly typical .. | GREBO::GURU | Only losers take the bus | Fri Feb 16 1990 15:23 | 3 |
| It's not one of their best tracks, if you are a first time buyer of Weddoes
material then the best bet would be the album "George Best" rather than
"Bizarro".
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| 82.44 | I thought they MUST be better! | CURRNT::SAXBY | Digital? Yeah I worked there ONCE! | Fri Feb 16 1990 15:45 | 23 |
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I wasn't thinking of buying any of their material on the basis of
Brassneck. Quite the opposite!
It sounded unbelievably dated and unimaginitive to me! I'll accept
that we all have different ideas about what's good and bad, but
some of the notes in here led me to conclude that the Weddoes
were the leading edge of the indie scene at the moment.
Brassneck sounded like a really shoddy attempt to reproduce early
Joy Division material (even down to the down-in-the-throat vocals)
and I've heard dozens of no-hope bands playing the same turgid tune
over and over again.
I've little experience of the indie groups, but what I have heard
doesn't lead me to believe that they offer anything new to relieve
the generally poor level of the music scene at the moment.
Sorry, but I don't like 'em one little bit, any more than I liked
that kind of post-punk group in the late 70s-early 80s.
Mark
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| 82.45 | George is best.... | SUBURB::COLEJ | Deep and Meaningless.... | Fri Feb 16 1990 16:43 | 9 |
| I like them, but Mark, I must agree with you.....
They are sort of, thrashy guitars and a quiet spoken lyric...
Sort of like Mark Knopfler meet the housemartins at a Drugs party...
Juju
xxxx
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| 82.46 | URGENT ******* | IGETIT::BROWNM | Only 18 working days to go | Wed Jul 24 1991 16:18 | 12 |
| I have a really urgent request (my Supervisor has tasked me find out -
honest).
He reckons there is a particular Indie chart that the music industry
follows. I reckon there is no standard here because there are so many
Indie charts (each magazine has one nowadays) and they are all compiled
in a different way.
Who's right???
matty
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| 82.47 | | CHEFS::PF90 | | Wed Jul 24 1991 16:25 | 4 |
| I think you are Matty.
Tim
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| 82.48 | " | ARRODS::WHITEHEADJ | Too breathless then to wonder | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:04 | 0 |
| 82.49 | | IGETIT::BROWNM | Only 18 working days to go | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:10 | 6 |
| What does " mean?
matty
ps. Thanks Tim
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| 82.50 | ? | XSTACY::PATTISON | A rolling stone gets the worm | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:11 | 8 |
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If you take the regular charts, and cross out all the records from major
labels... surely what's left is the "indie chart"?
Anyway there is some sort of a national chart, Channel 4 teletext publish
it every week. Where do they get their figures from?
Dave
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| 82.51 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:12 | 3 |
| Presumably " = Ditto.
Mark
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| 82.52 | | CHEFS::PF90 | | Wed Jul 24 1991 18:14 | 8 |
| re .50
I don't think that is strictly fair as a large percentage of indie
records will be sold through independent record shops. Maybe the best
indie chart would be one that "The chain with no name" could produce.
Tim
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| 82.53 | | ARRODS::WHITEHEADJ | The weak are never free | Thu Jul 25 1991 10:01 | 4 |
| Sorry, I thought " was common usage for ditto. So, yes, it did mean
ditto.
Jane.
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| 82.54 | | IGETIT::BROWNM | Only 18 working days to go | Thu Jul 25 1991 13:53 | 4 |
| Sorry, I knew " meant ditto. I'm just too thick to pick up on it that
quick.
honest, humble, stupid matty
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| 82.55 | | IGETIT::BROWNM | Only 18 working days to go | Thu Jul 25 1991 13:54 | 3 |
| Maybe we should start a topic called;
What's `"' mean?
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| 82.56 | "`?'" | CRATE::HAZEL | Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten | Thu Jul 25 1991 13:55 | 2 |
| What's "`"'" mean?
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