Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    I liked the album from George Harrison's Bangledesh benefit
    concert done in the early 70s(?) in Madison Square Garden,
    was disappointed (sort of) by Bruce's live compilation, and
    liked Peter Frampton's from '75.
    
    Don't really care for the idea of live albums.

    
    live albums I would say....
    
    Thin Lizzy            'live and dangerous'
    U2                    'under a blood red sky'
    Brooce                '1975-1985'
    Peter Frampton        'Frampton comes alive'  ( biggest seller ever)
    Wings                 'Wings over America'
    
    looking forward to U2's new live album :-)
    
    

    
    Here's a few of my faves:
    
    Thin Lizzy				'Live & Dangerous'
    Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers       'Pack up the Plantation'
    Black Uhuru				'Tear it up live'
    Dire Straits			'Alchemy'
    King Crimson			'USA'
    U2					'Under a blood red sky'
    Simple Minds			'Live in the City of Light'
    
    I'm sure there's more...
    
    
    				Si
    

    
    my fave live albums:
    
    Aerosmith			live bootleg
    steve ray vaughan		double trouble live
    Lynyrd skynyrd		one from the road
    Blackfoot			live
    Free			live album
    U2				blood red sky
    Thin lizzy			live and dangerous
    UFO				strangers in the night
    Jimi hendrix		in the west
    Deep purple			made in japan
    
    
    steve.

    
    I knew there was one..(we're counting bootlegs right?)
    
    
    Elvis Costello		'Live at the El Mocambo'
    
    
    				Si

    
    My favs...
    
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    Whitesnake - Live....In the heart of the city
    Aerosmith  - Live Bootleg
    Dio	       - Intermission
    Led Zepplin - Song remains the same 
                  
    Kind Regards  
    -Tony Dallison
   

    
    
    
    
    Four Way Street   -    Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

    
    
    Michael
    

    my fave five live
    
    Talking Heads		Stop Making Sense
    Rory Gallagher		Live in Europe
    Thin Lizzy			Live and Dangerous
    Lynyrd Skynyrd		One from the Road
    Deep Purple			Live In Japan.
    
    re .4
    Did Stevie Ray Vaughan have a live album called 'double trouble
    live' ? the only one I was aware of was a live double album called
    'alive' made around 1986.
    - Dave K.

    
    
    Dobedobedo......
    
    		Prince Wembley '86	- Live bootleg
    		Nine Tonight		- Bob Seger
    		All the World's a Stage - Rush
    		Breaking Out (i think)	- Jethro Tull
                                      
    worst I've heard
    
    		Arena			- Duran Duran
    
    Rexley.....			
    

    What I think is really annoying about live albums is that some record
    producers use live albums as an excuse to make poor sound quality
    records.
    Par  example: Rush - Exit Stage Left. Normally Rush produce
    exceptionally good quality albums, but Exit.. is terrible.
    
    If you are going to make a live album then obviously the quality
    is not as good a a studio lp, but there are limits.
    
    Matt. 

    Theoretically, digital recording should make an improvement in the
    quality of live recordings, however I have yet to hear of a mobile
    digital studio.
    
    Rush dislike making live albums so... If they didn't put as much
    effort into 'Exit' then that's understandable.
    
    A quality live recording which is as good as a studio cut is 'Exposed'
    by Mike Oldfield. The quality of this is on a par with his contempary
    studio recordings, and they were technically excellent at the time.
    
    What I would like to know is whether people object to live recordings
    with overdubs. From my point of view the objective of a live album
    is to capture the concert atmosphere. With that in mind I would
    rather listen to an atmospheric live album with overdubs, than vice
    versa.
    
    My fave live albums are:
    
    	Exposed			Mike Oldfield
    	Made in Japan		Deep Purple
    	Tour de Force		Al Di Meola
    	In Concert		Emerson Lake and Palmer
    
    All of these, for me, supply atmosphere first.
    
    Balders
    

    If Rush dislike making live albums then they should'nt have
    bothered!!!.Also all this crap about HI-TECH,DIGITAL remix
    etc,etc, don't stand up I recall some very good LIVE albums
    form the '60s and even some live '1st takes' of very early 
    blues singers bock in the '20s and '30s.Granted they were 
    just one man and his guitar!!.However doing a tour,with the
    aid of a GOOD sound-man,mixer etc surely they can Pick/Mix 
    the best.????
    Other suggestion welcome.
    - Dave K.
    

    
    re 24.8
    the steve ray vaughan album I called double trouble live is the
    alive album ,I got the name wrong sorry for the confusion.
    
    steve.
    

    
    
    There are a few mention already so I'll give them a miss, but I
    will input a couple I feel are good:
    
                 Judas Priest - Unleashed in the East
                 Quo Live ( when Quo played real music )
    
    TC
    

I agree with .13 there is no reason why a live album should be naff unless the
source material is duff. In which case presumably the concert wasn't worth
paying to see anyway. The quality of the performance almost always shines 
through even the 'snap crackle & pop' of a bad bootleg.

My personal list would include :-

Dylan & the Band - Royal Albert Hall 1966
Doors - Absolutely Live
Grateful Dead - Live Dead (the best of their several excellent live albums)
Man - Maximum Darkness
Fairport Convention - In Real Time
Band - Rock of Ages
Band etc etc - Last Waltz

    
    The Live album has provided me (and friends) with plenty of talk
    in the past - much talk of many bands 'ubicquitous double live'
    albums.
    
    Faves:
    
    Before The Flood		Dylan/Band
    Waiting For Columbus	Little Feat
    Made In Japan		Purple People
    Live Bullet			Bob Seger
    Frampton Comes Alive	Frampton
    Breaking Out		Tull
    Thiry Seconds ...		J. Airplane
    Live Dates			Wishbone Ash
    Todd Rundgren		Another Live
    Todd R			Back To Bars
    Live (double)		J Geils Band
                                            
    The Dead are interesting - must be more live sides than any other
    band.  I mean, how could they resist the "Live Dead" title.  "Live
    In Europe" was originally to be called "Europe on 5,000 dollars
    a day" but Warners nixed it (as they did with other Dead titles).
                           
    Seger's "Nine Tonight" is very live... but catch "Live Bullet" for
    pre-"Night Moves" Seger in great form - can't hear the audience
    though.
    
    Most are touched up in some way ... whatever the sleeves might say!
    
    I guess that's enough for now .....
    
    David.
    
    

    re .13
    � If Rush dislike making live albums the they shouldn't have
    � bothered!!!
      
    Very true, but if their fans want a live album then there may be
    some pressure on them to produce one. In fact Exit feels fine, it
    just sounds bad. What I offered in the above statement was not an
    excuse, just a possible reason. I am NOT apologising on Rush's behalf!
    
    � Also all this crap about HI-TECH,DIGITAL remix...
    
    If the problem is that it sounds poor, then there can be several
    reasons. ONE of these is a noisey recording. Some mobile studios
    are very good, eg The Manor Mobile. Sure, digital wont add atmosphere
    and feeling to a lacklustre recording, but it may enable you to
    hear it better.
    
    � ... I recall some very good LIVE albums from the '60s ...
    
    So do I. I have heard countless live recordings and some have been
    brilliant without sounding fantastic. I even gave you an example
    (Admitedly from the late '70s) which was an analogue recording.
    
    � ... aid of a GOOD sound man,mixer etc ...
    
    Not everyone has access to the best. Good cheap digital recording
    would give bands a better starting point on which to base a live
    album.
    
    The Bottom Line: I think, if you check, that the issue is one of
    sound quality, not musical or atmospheric quality. There are plenty
    of reasons why a live recording can sound bad acoustically, most
    can be solved with time, effort and money. Digital was offered as
    a way of potentially improving acoustic quality without spending
    vast sums. Nothing that a good sound-man can do will fix a lacklustre
    performance.
    
    Balders.
    

    re .16
    
    Exit Stage Left is acoustically poor, but the feeling is there.
    
    Balders
    

    Another great live album is "Plays Live" by Peter Gabriel....
    
    Steve.

    re .13/.18
    Hello Balders,
    		  Just a few more comments....
    
.18�                                    I am NOT apologising on Rush's behalf!
    Fair enough,however you continue later....

.18�    Not everyone has access to the best. Good cheap digital recording
.18�    would give bands a better starting point on which to base a live
.18�    album.
                              
    We're not talking 'garage tapes' here and if RUSH don't have access
    to the best WHO does ?.
    
    Basically if the group play their 'normal' set,the venue acoustics
    good,good mixing and recording set-up and 'proper' remixing and
    overdubbing(where necessary) in the studio afterwards their is no
    excuse for a sub-standard 'live' recording.However if it's not up
    to scratch then it should be 'canned' and start over again.Bet you
    next time it will be right.
    
    Rgds.,
    
    - Dave K.

    Hey everybody, I see no mention of the classics
    
      " Nine Below Zero - Live At The Marquee " which is a killer, what
    with all that harmonica an' stuff.
    
    and
     
      " Peter And The Test Tube Babies - P*ssed And Proud " a tremendous
    album played with loadsa gusto and loadsa fun as with all their
    recordings. No smiley here gents. Im being serious.
                                                       
    Ian

    
    re.22
    totally agree about nine  below zero ,the album is superb !!!
    
    steve.s

    Dave
    
    re .21  I think things have got a bit confused. My comment about
    digital recording was aimed across the board, not as a cop-out for
    bands who could and should do better. Rush SHOULD have done better
    on 'Exit...',  especially when compared to 'All the World's a Stage'.
    
    	Some bands deserve better than they can afford. There is a lot
    of good music stuck on 'garage tapes' which is spoilt by the recording
    quality. A good example of this is Haze, who play some fantastic
    prog rock which at time can hardly be heard through the hiss, but
    the concert sound was fine.
    
    Regards
    
    Balders.

    re. 24
    
    Hi Clive (Hi Balders sounds a bit odd)
    
    Totally agree with ya. Actually I'm *tone-deaf* anyways, I'll
    listen to anything if the MOOD is right !. When I listen to CDs
    I get all paranoid (afraid to belch,break wind even breath)
    in case I miss something.I'll probably end up buying the 'Exit'
    live album at the weekend.I must also get my hands on the Nine
    Below Zero album(mentioned earlier) from the Marquee ?.

    I'll swap you some Guinness Draught for some of your Assan tea 
    if you have any left.!!!! :-)
    
    - Dave K.

    
    
    	Try the first Theatre of hate album for live atmosphere.
    
    	Recorded at the Warehouse i think in about 1980ish (God that
       makes me feel old !)
    
    
    		Grub.

    Surely the difinitive live album was -
    
    		'Live'	Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
    
    
    Regards
    
    Eem-Gee

    This is a warning to anyone with Live CDs.
    
    DON'T play live CDs late at night whilst lying down wearing headphones.
    Your feet twitch, you start singing along, yell your head off when
    the songs are announced, and generally act as you would at the gig.
    
    This is bad for your health.
    
    'How so?' I hear you ask.
    
    Well, someone invariably hears all the racket you make, creeps up
    to you and plants a big kick in a painful place.
    
    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
    
    Regards Balders
    

   Some more for the live albums list.....
    
    Leo Kottke - My feet are smiling (12 string guitar including slide)
    
    Ry Cooder - Showtime (say no more squire)
    
    andy imms

    Try the latest Tina Turner double CD.
    
    Absolutely f*****g brillaint.
    
    Rich
    

    
    
    How about.........
    
    the live adventures of Al Kooper and Mick Bloomfield
                           
                         &
    
    Friday Night In San Francisco...John McLaughlin,Al DiMolea,Paco
    DeLucia
    
    
    Both are well worth a listen
    
    Harv                                                        

    Mad Dogs and Englishmen from Joe Cocker and friends takes a lot
    of beating.
    

    I'm suprised the BAND's Last Waltz has only been mentioned once.
    I think this 5/6 sided set is brilliant. Artists performing their
    own material backed by the Band include such diverse people as Clapton,
    Muddy Waters, Dr John, Niel Young, Joni Mitchell, Niel Diamond,
    Dylan etc etc. The Band do many of their best numbers. Sound quality
    (and overall arrangements) are brilliant. This is probably because
    the concert was envisaged, performed and recorded as a full length film.

    Well worth the money.
    
    Richard

    
    W.A.S.P - LIVE IN THE RAW
     
    Get it...

    
    RE: .33
    
    Agree - a complete live "show, not just a gig!
          
    David.

    
    Re: .17
     A small album title confusion, the Dead album that you referred
    to as Live in Europe is "Europe '72". If you like their live albums
    then you should get in touch with some of the deadheads at DEC through
    the Grateful conference. There are tapes of every show that they
    ever played circulating, and the band promotes the idea!!!!!
    
    
    					
    
    BTW some of my faves are
    
    	Waiting For Columbus     ------    	Little Feat
    	Live Alchemy             ------		Dire Straits
    	????			 ------		The Blues Breakers
    
    
    					Kevin 

    RE: .36
    
    Waiting For Columbus is a great album - good tster for the band
    too!!!  Thanks for the correction on the Dead album too.
    
    David.
    

    
    re .30
    
    I'll second that...especially Proud Mary, Nutbush, Night of a.....etc.
    
    Other faves:
    
    Physical Presence	Level 42
    SKY 5 Live		Sky
    Made in Europe	Deep Purple
    Real to Reel	Marillion
    Live EP		Kate Bush
    
    Paul.
    

	My faves include :-

		Wings Over America	- Wings (From 300+ hours of tapes!)

		Live Dates I		- Wishbone Ash

		All The Worlds A Stage	- Rush
    
		Europe '72		- The 'Dead

		Live From Essen		-  ditto

		Space Ritual		- Hawkwind


	 Also, as theres been much talk about Rush earlier on in this Topic
	did you know that there is a Live Album and Video of there 2nd night
	at the NEC this summer due out soon ?

	 PS. Where did the idea originate that they don't like making Live
	Albums??


		Graham_who_wishes_The_Church_Would_Release_Just_ONE_Live_Track

    My favourite live album has to be Shadows and Light by Joni Mitchell
    even if just for the band line up:
    
    Guitar - Pat Metheney
    Keyboards - Lyle Mays
    Bass - Jaco Pastorius
    Sax - Michael Brecker
    Drums - Don Alias
    
    What a line-up!! Its a real tribute to Joni that all the above gave
    time to tour with her.
    
    Tony
                    

    >What a line-up!! Its a real tribute to Joni that all the above gave
    >time to tour with her.

    Agreed, you WILL NOT get a better line up ANYWHERE. I wanted to
    get a Joni album, didn't know which one until I read who was playing
    on  this album, glad they included the solo's.
    
    Doug.  

re .39

>		Live From Essen		-  Grateful Dead

This isn't a pukka album is it ?

I have a tape I made of the gig which was televised with simultaneous stereo
radio broadcast (the Who were the supporting act), unfortunately I didn't have
a video in those days (1979 - good grief that seems a long time ago). 

Did someone make a bootleg record of this broadcast ? or records as it was
about 3+ hours long. 

Nigel

    
                RACER X - "Live - Extreme Volume"
    
    This album is the 3rd by these guys, and their last.  The 2 guitar
    players are a pair of the most technically precise players around.
    The album is HEAVY, and HARD.  If you are a guitar player then you
    can truly appreciate this music.  It's a rocker ...
    
    
    				Scary

    The Stranglers - All Live and All of the Night

    Bill Withers - Live At Carneigie Hall.
    
    Mike
    
    ps I need a new copy. Anyone got one to sell?

    
    Talking of bootleg tapes I was at Blackbush market and there was
    a stall there selling what I guessed were bootleg recordings of
    live concerts on cassettes. What is the quality like of these
    recordings as a rule? They weren't expensive, but I'd like to think
    I'd get some sound of the group before I part with my cash.
    
    As a rule I DON'T like live albums (in fact on U2's Rattle &
    Hum it took my a few days to realise why I loved some tracks and
    hated others. The answer seemed to be that I liked the studio tracks
    as a rule and disliked the live ones), but Wings Over America is
    better than most other Wings albums I've heard, with the atmosphere
    and excitment of the band playing live coming over well without
    comprimising the sound quality. As someone said earlier, live albums
    are all too often an excuse for duff quality.
    
    Mark

    Bootleg quality is completely variable.  Take along a walkman and
    listen to the tape first.  This is what I usually do.  The tapes
    I have tend to be quite good quality, altho' not up to lp type standard
    obviously.  Some boots come directly from the mixing desk, and these
    are the best.
    
    Mikef

>>>    As a rule I DON'T like live albums (in fact on U2's Rattle &
>>>    Hum it took my a few days to realise why I loved some tracks and
>>>    hated others. The answer seemed to be that I liked the studio tracks
>>>    as a rule and disliked the live ones)

	This I find this hard to understand, esp with a group like U2 that is
at it's best live (IMHO).  Do you remember Bad at live aid, the live version of
A Sort of Homecoming & best of all Sunday, Bloody Sunday on the Rattle & Hum
video.  I have never heard the like of the anger, sadness & spirit that was put
into the latter.  For an Irishman, this is an incrediably moving rendition,
far far superior to the War version.

	For other bands perhaps they perform better in the studio, but surely
not U2!

-Brian.

    
    Re .48
    
    I guess it's just a case of each to his own. That's the way I feel
    about the album and that's it. I didn't decide I didn't like the
    live tracks, it just seems that the tracks I don't like are the
    live ones.
    
    Mark

      
      22 Months of silence in here. So I like to take it away.
      
      My favourite Live Albums:
      
      Seconds Out - Genesis
      Plays Live - Peter Gabriel
      A Show Of Hands - Rush
      Urk - The Nits
      Live - Sting (Italian Bootleg Import)
      
      
      I've seen a Live CD by a band called U.K.
      
      This band features Bill Bruford on the drums (whom I know from his
      works with Genesis, King Crimson and Yes). And there's Alan Holdsworth
      on the guitar who has also played for Pierre Moerlens Gong.
      
      Has anyone heard about this album? Which kind of music are on it.
      It is woth buying?
      
      Any comment will be appreciate.
      
      >PETER<_who_likes_live_albums_a_lot_more_than_studio_albums
      

    
    The band UK had 3 albums :
    
    UK (with Bruford on drums, Holdsworth on guitar, Eddie Jobson on
    keyboards/violin, and John Wetton on bass/vocals)
    
    Danger Money (with Wetton, Jobson and Terry Bozzio on drums)
    
    Night by Nigh- LIVE (with Wetton, Jobson and Bozzio)
    
    I personally love the 1st album, very progressive 70's rock, but the
    last 2 don't thrill me that much. There is 1 song called 'Carrying No
    Cross' from danger Money that is very hot though ........
    
    - acp

      
      I know about a Live Album by Al Stewart.
      It is entitled "Indian Summer - Live" or so. I can't get it here in
      Germany. Does anybody know, about a release of this album in England
      or in America? And, is it still availible? ...and, is it also
      availible as a CD?
      
      Any comment on this will be appreciate.
      
      A second question is about Yes. I've seen the CD Box "Yesyears" at a
      record store. It was quite expensive ($65 or 40 Pounds Sterling).
      I've seen that there are a few non-released, remixed songs and live
      versions on it. Has anybody got it by now? Is it worth buying?
      I'm not sure if I will do, as I think it is a lot of money for a three
      CD Box.
      
      Thank you all,
      
      in expectation,
      
      |PETER|
      

    
    	I forget the title but I think I saw the live Al Stewart release
    	you're asking about.  Send me mail to discuss further.
    
    	As for Yes, I'm pretty sure it has been reviewed in RECORDS or
    	CD or one of the many music related conferences.
    
    	- Jim

    I generally prefer live albums.  Most recent purchase was Stanley
    Clarke Live 1976-77, with excellent versions of Lopsy Lu, Silly Putty,
    and other biggies.
    
    Other favorite Live Albums:
    
    War Live		War
    Gratitude		Earth, Wind, & Fire
    Peter Gabriel Plays Live
    Parliament Live 
    Live in the City of
    Light		Simple Minds
    Live at Blues Alley	Wynton Marsalis
    
    
    Darnley

    
    The Stranglers (again!) - LIVE (XCERT)
    
    ....the band hate it, but I love it   
    
                     and
    
    Live at the Hope and Anchor, some rare live performances on 
    this one. Checkout "choosey suzie" and "mean to me" and you'll
    see what I mean....
    
    Charlie.
    
    
    
    

    Hi Folks.
    A friend of mine is looking for A CD of"Live with Guitar"by Kevin
    Ayers.    We live in Massachusettes,U.S of A.
    
                          Crazy_Al

    
    		The best live albums (not in this order) for me are:
    
    	Renaissance			Live at the Carnegie Hall
    	MAGMA				Live
    	Frank Zappa			Roxy & Elsewher
    	Yes				Yessongs
    	King Crimson 			USA
    	Camel				A Live Record
    	Premiata Forneria Marconi	Cook
    	Pink Floyd			Ummagumma (the live disc)
    	
    	and more ...

    Someone mentioned Camel in this conference, and his name isn't
    Clive....?
    
    m
    
    

    Oi! I've never mentioned Camel in this conference. At least, I don't
    think I have.
    
    Balders

    Yes, you're probably right.  But taking the mickey is much more fun
    than being correct anytime, as you will be finding out soon....
    
    
    m