Conference napalm::musclecars

    Am restoring a '69 LeMans SPRINT 2dr. hardtop I bought new. 4 spd. of
    course.  I need a good used dash pad,  no cracks or other damage, from
    a car without air conditioning.  Any color would be considered.
    Dash pad from Tempest, Custom-S, [2 door, 4door, even wagons] Lemans,
    or GTO will fit.   drop me a line E-mail upseng::hosking,  am in
    APO area 4 days a week & could look at what you have some evening.
    
    	And for those who think 6 cylinder cars are slugs,  try this one
    with 3 weber 45DCOE carbs, headers,  factory ram air IV dual
    exhaust system........[installed back in the good old days when all
    one had to do was order the parts from a local dealer....], and a
    hi-perf. head from a 230 c.i. block sitting on my 250....
    	Only drawback is the high price of 100 octane aviation gas these
    days.
    
    Bigger toys for bigger boys, right?
    

    I need the right front plastic grille for a 68 Fbird. Mine has a small
    rectangular hole in it. If I can't get another grille cheap, then
    perhaps someone can recommend a "decoration" of some sort that looks
    like it's meant to be there even though it covers a hole.

    I was at Amherst yesterday and saw a couple of grilles for 67-68
    'birds. No idea what the pricing was on them, since that wasn't what
    I was looking for. When I left, approx 12:30, they were still there
    so they may be available at the next one (Aug 25th). I was able to
    pick up a pair of '67 Firebird taillights, no cracks or scratches in
    the lenses and the chrome strips just needed a polish for $20.

    
    
    	I will pay the following amounts for the following wrecking yard
    parts; shipping included! Come on you Wrecking Yard types!
    
    	Part		Quantity Needed		Cash to finder
    	----		---------------		--------------
    1) Early Pontiac 	As many as you 		$60-$70/set (no kinks!)
       389 forged rods  can get me.		(Pistons still attached - OK)
       ('57-'62)
    
    2) Pontiac 455      A few			$60-$80/set
       Blocks & Cranks
    
    3) Pontiac       	Many 			$60-$120/set
       Hi-Performance 
       Heads ('67-73)
    
    	
    	Send me mail if you have the ability to pick up any of these items
    for the prices quoted or need parts clarification.
    
    	Thanks, Dave

    Anyone out there have a spare front brake drum for a 1968 Firebird???
    
    Seems to be a scarce item in my area....

    How soon do you need it? I'll be converting my '67 Firebird to discs
    as soon as I get the rotors and calipers and will have a complete
    drum brake set-up with freshly turned drums, new pads, wheels cylinders
    etc. available probably sometime in late November.
    
    Chris

    Chris,
    
    When you get it done, let me know. If I havn't found anything by then,
    I'll definately be interested.
    
    Paul

    
    
    	I'm looking for a seemingly impossible to find part - a Pitman Arm
    for my '68 Firebird (Manual Steering, V8). Mine is a bit loose and I'd
    rather not have it come apart while doing 100+ MPH. I've checked
    everywhere I can think of and only found one lead - a place out of
    California called "Rare Parts" that will rebuild it for $125.00
    
    	The forging number is 9791825BGMT1 should anyone have one lying
    around somewhere.
    
    	Dave

    re: .9
    
    > for my '68 Firebird (Manual Steering, V8). Mine is a bit loose and
                           ***************
    
    
    Gee, that must a true rarity!!!!
    
    Sorry, just couldn't resist :-)
    
    - Jyri -
      

    Try Just Suspension  phone # 201-335-0547. A friend of mine was able
    to get a pitman arm for a '65 Chevy II thru them after trying most of
    the other sources (TRW and Moog had discontinued them).
    
    I think I also remember the pitman being listed in the Ames Performance
    catalog.
    
    Chris

    There are other companys that may be able to help you....
    
      H O Racing Products is the main one that comes to mind. They
    specilize in Pontiac high performance suspension parts.
    
    Also there is PST (performance suspension technologies)
    
    And Mr. Suspension......
                                                 note. A-body  GTO,Lemans
    And Kanter Products.....                           F-body  Firebird
    
    H O racing specilizes in A-Bodies (complete front end rebuilds) and 70
    & up F-bodied cars (sway bars and springs). I'm thinking that some of 
    the early A-Body stuff just might work. I'll scrounge up the numbers 
    & adresses for these companies and post them (hopefully) tomorrow.
    
                                                  Rod
    
    

    oops!
    
                components       I think!
    

    Classic Camaro has a listing for the 67-69 Pitman arm w/o power
    steering for $59.80 part # 18768. This will fit your Firebird.
    
    phone # 1-800-854-1280

    
    
    	Re: -1
    
    	I gave them a call and they confirmed what I already suspected,
    they ARE dissimilar. Called a couple of other places including the one
    mentioned a couple of entries before that. The concensus is in:
    
    	o There are NONE available wether it be OEM, NOS, Replica, wrecking
    	  yard (at least in the Denver area) or any other source. In fact I
    	  challenge anyone to prove me wrong!
    
    	So, I took mine down to the local shop today that will send it to
    Rare Parts Inc. in CA for a rebuild for $125.00. Ouch! Better than
    ending up in the trees though! Felt like taking out a special insurance
    policy in it as I left it off...
    
    	Did get 'em to give me a receipt for it though...
    
    	Dave

    Dave, One other place to try is Bill's Bird's in New York. I don't have
    the number but they advertise in most of the major rags. I was able to
    a harmonic balancer for my '67 when all other avenues failed ( I called
    20+ places before I finally found it). They usually have the obscure
    pieces that no one else carries.

    
    
    	Got my Pitman Arm and does it look good! The guys in CA did a good
    job on it. So now I'm set! 
    
    	I am still convinced that this is the only route to take if one
    needs to get a 'new' pitman arm for a '68 bird - manual steering. 
    
    	DaveZ

    Dave,
    
      But why would you want manual steering? The amount of power it takes
    to have a power steering pump is minimul. Install a WS6 steering box
    in your '68 (I have one in my '67) and enjoy the ease of steering and
    2.25 turns lock to lock.
    
    Chris

    -1   Whats a "WS6" steering box??? Is that a GM number?? Is this a used
    box and if so what kind of cost and work is involved?
    
    Paul_who_also_has_a_68_bird_with_manual_steering

    The steering box came out of a "WS6" equipped Trans Am. The WS6 option
    made the car handle better (different spring rates, shock, sway bars
    and the quicker ratio steering box) than the base T/A. The WS6 steering
    box changed by lock to lock from somewhere around 4 to 2.25. Granted if
    your arm twitches you could easily end up pointed in a different
    direction.
    
    Chris

      What year WS6 box did you put into your 'bird?
    
    Rich

    
    
    	Re: .18
    
    	I don't particularly *want* manual steering, its just what is in
    there now and I lack the capital (and motivation) to swap it out seeing
    as how my engine building project is into the $4K realm. 
    
    	It works fine...
    
    	Dave

    RE: .21
    
    Rich,
    
      I think the box is an '81 which is 2.5 turns lock to lock. Mated 
    to the '67 p.s. pitman arm and different steering geometry of the 
    '67 vs. the '81 got the lock to lock to a little less than 2.25. I
    also used a '75 ragjoint to connect the column to the steering box.
    A special pressure hose was made to tie the steering box and pump
    together.
    
    RE: 22
    
      Dave,
    
       What are you having done to your engine that is bringing the price
    into the $4K range? I am asking because I had the following done to
    my 400 Pontiac and it cost me a little over $1350 (15% jobber disc.);
    
    Heads: Milled, magnafluxed, shot blasted, 3 angle valve job, 8 intake
           valves.
    
    Shortblock: Magnafluxed, shot blasted, squared, crank polished, resize
                rods, balance assy(with clutch assy), bore 30 over, forged 
                pistons, ARP rod bolts.
    
    Misc: Assemble shortblock, installed cam bearings, freeze plugs, Felpro
          gasket set.
    
    
    

    		A friend of mine is looking for a 389 for his '65
    GTO.  Would like a '65 but it's not critical as the car is not
    original (currently has a 400 in it with bad bearings).  Any
    pointers would be appreciated.  (please don't hurt yourselves
    falling out of your chairs laughing, I know he's in for a 
    surprise).
    
    thanx,
    	   bob
    

    
    
    Short Answer: After a phone sweep of wrecking yards, your
    		  friend may have to look in Hemmings.
    
    Conjecture & Suggestion:
    
    	Does he need a long block, short block, or the whole thing with carbs,
    intake, and air cleaner? If he doesn't already have the tri-power 
    induction system, he might consider getting a new car.  The difference in 
    price between a correct GTO and one with transplanted engine might be less
    than the cost of the parts, never mind the work.  
    
    	An original `65 is for sale a couple of blocks away from me (Santa 
    Clara, CA ) for an $8-9K asking price.  It's in nice, if imperfect
    shape, and everything is there.  Pretty, incorrect cars sell for
    nearly as much.  Restoration costs make starting with a complete car
    much less expensive.
    
    						John
    						(Former `65 owner)  
                                             

    
    	Why should we fall out of our chairs laughing? Guess I'm thick...
    
    	Anyway I had a 389 not 2 months ago, sold it for $135.00. They can
    still be found in wrecking yards in Colorado at least, don't know about
    the rest of the country. I know a guy in Tennessee that sells 398's to
    scrappers by the pound. 
    	
    	Why doesn't he consider a real engine like a 428 or 455?
    
    	Dave
    
    (Who's Firebird wasn't original either and went radical 455)

    		I guess the jokes on me.  Given the responses he's been
    getting in New England trying to locate an engine (primarily laughter),
    we figured it would be very difficult to locate one.  Guess we'll
    just have to widen the search a little further.  Thanx for the 
    responses.
    
    bob

    Bob,
    
    
        I'll look in some of my smoke signals and legend news letters and
    see if I can locate a 389 in your area. Do you think he would prefer
    a correct stamped motor? Those are usually the ones advertised in the
    mags.
    
    Rod.

    		Thanx for the help.  He talked with a guy in Michigan
    yesterday that has a correct stamped complete 389 for $3500.  He's
    still looking.  He's going to look at a long block today or tomorrow
    that he found ($150).  Somehow this doesn't sound right to me, but
    it's his deal.  Given how close it is to spring, I told him it 
    might be better to take a trip to Hershey or Carlisle if he can't
    find a complete engine before then.  Would that make sense?
    
    thanx,
    	   bob
    

    
    I'm looking for a rear bumper to a '67 GTO.  Mine is from a
    Tempest/Lemans and looks terrible.
    
    BTW:  "67 bumper had retangle backup lights to the sides and below
    license plate mounting,  '66 had round.
    
    

    wanted:   1970 ram air iv head #12.  only need one.
    
    mail: steve kline @fvo
    dtn: 538-6731
    
                   

    Looking for the letters P O N T I A C and 4 0 0 for the trunk lid of a
    67,68 Firebird. Also need the two "bird" emblems for the front fenders
    that are in front of the word Firebird for the same vehicle.
    
    They are available from Performance Years in Pa, but I'm looking for a
    cheaper source.. like maybe someone has some spares sitting under their
    workbench or maybe in their backyard..
    
    Paul

    
    	400 emblems? I've got a set that I pulled off my '68 Firebird to
    put on the 455 emblems. I paid $60 for the set of 455 emblems, so I'd
    let my perfectly good 400 emblems go for $45.
    
    	Other emblems? I get the best prices from Bob's Pontiac Parts. Let
    me know if you need a phone# or address.
    
    	Dave

    Dave, thanks, but I've got the ones for the hood. I need the 400 emblem
    for the trunk lid. And yes, please post the phone # and address.
    Paul

    
    
    	For just about any part anyone could want for any Firebird -
    
    
    	Bob's Auto Parts
    	20 Dexter Plaza
    	Pearl River, NY 10965-2335
    
    	(800)-992-2006

    
    	What is "Bob's Auto Parts"?  Is it like Ames, Year One, or
    	Perfomance?  Repro parts?  NOS?  A big junk yard?
    
    
    
    	Hammer.

    
    	Bob's is mostly repro; comparable to Ames...

    Wanted: Pontiac flywheel for 11" clutch.
    
    Chris Roche
    dtn:285-3809

	Wanted for 1970 GTO:

	driver side front fender and Ram Air hood and parts.

	Gordon Roberts
	dtn 592-4540

    
    Gordon,
    
    I have a friend that specializes in GM and MoPar muscle car parts. His
    name is Bob Everett and his business number is (206)872-9477. I know he
    has a supply of new and used GTO parts.
    
    Don Berry
    
    

    WANTED:
    
       Need a hood for a 1980 Grand Prix with a scoop (one from a Hemi
    Dodge 440) ,would pefer a fiberglass hood.
      If anybody knows where i can find one of these with a scoop or not
    please reply. They have nothing up here in Canada as far as I know,
    maybe somewhere down in the States.
    
                                        Ken

    What the heck are you talking about?!?!? An '80 Grand Prix hood with a
    Hemi scoop ?!?!?!
    
    Stan 

    It seems that maybe i hit a sour note when looking for a hood,what i 
    am interested in is a aftermarket fiberglass hood for a 1980 Grand Prix
    and a scoop off of a Hemi. Ya a Hemi scoop because i like the look
    of this style of scoop plus i need as much air to get to the big block
    455 H.O motor that is sitting underneath it.
    Any info about this would be greatly helpfull e.g - sources,prices.
    
                           Thanks Ken
    

    The hood will be the hardest to find.  I called one company that makes
    lots of different fiberglass parts looking for a hood for my '80
    Bonneville....no luck.  These guys told me that it was doubtfull that
    anyone would have such a beast.  Smaller models like LaMans
    yes...biggies such as the Bonny and GP...not so likely.
    
    They suggested making my own.
    
    I've thought about getting a hood out of a junker and cutting away
    everything but the mounting flanges, latch and edges and then just
    using some fiberglass "board" type stuff to fill the center (you could
    leave a spot for a scoop if needed).
    
    Trying to save some weight?  I've got some other tricks I'm willing to
    share if you're trying to keep it looking stock on the road.
    
    /tb/
    

    Hi Tom In reply to your question about saving some weight and keeping
    it stock looking I am very interested in whatever you can come up 
    with. I also have a couple of sources that may be able to help me in
    finding a fiberglass hood,if these pan out are you still interested 
    in a hood for your Bonny? Waiting for your reply.
    
                             Ken

    Have you called Harwood?  They make fiberglass hoods.  You may have
    to buy a hood and then mate the fiberglass scoop of your choice onto
    that.  That's if you want to go 100% fiberglass.  I think there are
    another 2 sources for fiberglass hoods that I can readily find if
    harwood doens't make the hood.
    
    If you're after weight &/or looks.  Remove your hood, remove the
    hood springs and take a cutting wheel to all the structural bracing
    on the back of the hood.  Once you have all excess metal off your hood
    have the hood dipped into that solution that lightens metal (I don't
    have the procedures name handy at the moment.  After the hoods been
    dipped, then stick on the fiberglass hood scoop of your choice. and
    pin the hood down on all 4 corners (and maybe pin it 4 times up front
    so it doesn't try and tear your hood off at speed).
       
    Regards,
    MadMike

    Making your own hood out of fibreglass is a simple enough process. One
    thing to keep in mind though is that the final hood is only as good as
    the one you take the mould off of - i.e. the initial gelcoat will
    "copy" every scratch, ding or whatever. So the easiest thing to do is
    do all the initial bodywork on the original hood, then make the mould
    and finally the hood. I made one years ago for my Road Runner and worked
    with a small fiberglass outfit and had them blow on the 'glass (beats
    laying it up by hand if you have that option). I later managed to get an
    order and sell one hood which broke me even on expenses. There are a
    number of places that can give you advice and may even do odd bits of
    labour if you so wish. Places that make truck caps are ideal.
    
    The basic flow is as follows:
    
    1- prep original hood
    2- wax original hood with mould release
    3- do step 2 again
    4- do step 2 again
    5- paint on the gelcoat
    6- lay on fine 'glass (valene) and let dry
    7- lightly sand (one coat won't stick to a previously dried coat due to
       the resin coatings)
    8- lay on courser mat (at least 2 layers - the more the better) lay
    them on continuously while wet.
    9- 'glass on a 2x4 framework for support
    10- pop the mould off the hood
    11- clean the mould then wax at least 3 times
    12- repeat all the steps used to make the mould
    13- hood "bracing" can be made out of virtually anything since it is
    the 'glass that gives the strength. Do NOT use styrofoan tho' as the
    resins promptly desolve it.
    
    Have fun.
    
    Stan 

    Mike:
          Do you have a phone number and address for Harwood? If you can 
    also list the phone # and address for the other 2 sources.
    The answer to your question about going 100% fiberglass is "yes" if 
    I can find somebody who makes one for the G.P.
     Weight is the number 1 thing to bring down as i have dropped off
    close to 500 lbs. so far but am looking for another 500 plus to come
    off,e.g (plexiglass windows,no heater,braces out of doors,no bumper
    weights on the inside,interior stripped of all not needed factory
    goodies) but allways have an ear open for suggestions!!!!!!
    
    KEN

    Unlimited Products: 714-735-7770
    "Highest Quality Lightweight Fiberglass"
    
    Harwood Industries
    Tech: 903-566-6001
    Sales: 800-822-3392.
    
    Both of these places readily stock "common" body styles.  They may be
    able to send you somewhere else, or they may make you a hood to
    your specs.  Be prepared to pay...
    
    MadMike

    
    
    Mike
         Thanks for the speedy reply,will phone them in the morning and
    let everybody know what i find out. In reply to " be prepared to pay"
    that sounds very familar as i live in Canada and you pay through the
    teeth for anything high performance and Pontiac has to be one of the
    most dear. I was quoted up here with a price of over $ 1000 dollars
    for a make shift hood(not worth it here).
    
    KEN

    $1000. !!!!
    
    Send me your hood and $500 and I'll make you more than a "makeshift"
    hood !!
    
    Stan

    Sounds good!!!!!
    First let me check on some other sources that I have to look into,and 
    if they don't pan out and your offer still stands I might just take
    you up on it.By the way whats your address so I can check into some
    prices on shipping????
    
    
    Ken
    

    Brantford, Ont.
    
    Are you in Ottawa? If so, I should be in that neck of the woods during
    the summer for a quarterly. If you're not in a big hurry...
    
    Stan

    
    Yes I am in Ottawa,Ont. I work at the Kanata Manufacturing Plant on 
    Herzberg Rd,the shift that I am working is afternoons.
     In reply to if I am in a big hurry the answer is "no",I would like 
    to see a new hood on it before next Spring!!!
     If you stop in this way please let me know before you leave so that 
    we can have a little chat.
     My extension # is 591-4347 and can be reached via pager if no answer
    at my work # ,the pager # is 593-3368.
    
    
    Ken
    

    
    
    Looking for::
    
    1980 Grand Prix 2dr  left and right doors,they have to be rust free
    and no power options please,also looking for a mint rear bumper for
    the same car.
    
                        Any suggestions????
    
    IN reply to previous notes about a hood, found one in Sudbury off
    of a 1980 Grand Prix with a snorkel scoop for 25 bucks that was in
    mint shape,picked it up and is working perfectly on the beast!!!!
    
                           Ken

    for another fellow employee
    
    Nigel Webb
    dtn: 592-4049
    bss::n_webb
    
    
    wanted:
    
    
    	Tri power for 1967 GTO 389
        need everything to convert from standard 4bbl
    
    
    

    Well I'm about 2 months away from finishing my 5 year restification 
    of my '67 Firebird, just in time for the POCI Nationals at Loon Mt. 
    I'm looking for the left radiator filler panel. As far as I know these
    only came on 67 and 68 400 and A.C. equipped cars, maybe even '69's. 
    The fiberglass repros are junk so I returned the ones I purchased and 
    was able to get a original steel right side, but no left. Most of the 
    used parts dealers won't break up a pair.
    
    Chris Roche
    1967 Firebird, 400, tripower, 4spd, 3:90 posi.