Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    
    	Browns 20 - 49 ers 17
    
    YOUR KING
    

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    HAL, you slay me.
    
    hahahahahahahaha
    
    JaKe
    

    
    49ers 35 - Pats 18
    
    New England = Dark Horse
    
    Rob M.

    Phish 31 - Niners 30
    
    Mark.

	49rs: 34

      'phins: 17

    Steelers:  24
    
    Cowboys:  16
    
    
    p.s.  49ers get knocked out in the firsted round
    
    
    billl

49ers 20
Steelers 10

The Crazy Met

    
    
       Raiders 35
       Niners  34
    
    
    
    Chap

    Niners 34, Patriots 17
    
    NAZZ

San Fran 31, Cleveburgh 9.

    
    
    NFC 35
    AFC 17

>                             -< NFC twice as good >-
>    
>    NFC 35
>    AFC 17

Musta used one of them Pentiums, eh? 

TTom

    9ers or Cowboys  38
    Stillers         17
    

    
    
    
    ...the half-time extravaganzy will last waaaaaay too long.....
    
    
    JimH

    Patriots 48 niners 47.  Down 44-6 late in the 3rd quarter Bledsoe
    engineers 6 straight TDs, the last after a 49er field goal is on a last
    second hail mary is deflected and tipped several times into Crittendon's
    arms.

    
    		San Francisco 49ers'       31
                                                F
    		New England Patriots       18
    
                                           
    
     

    SF   31
    Mia  45
    
    D Ream

    My man!

    Ah , another gentleman with fine taste I see !
    
    Davie.

    49ers	27
    Steelers	17
    
    Should be an enjoyable game as Buffalo or Denver ain't gonna be
    stinkin the joint up this year!
    
    Pat

>    Should be an enjoyable game as Buffalo or Denver ain't gonna be
>    stinkin the joint up this year!
    
     Naw, it'll be someone else stinking the joint up this year !

I'm going to revise my earlier prediction; call it a gut feeling.

49ers 37
Chiefs 10

The Crazy Met

    
    
    
        I'll revise mine too!!!  :-)
    
    
    9ers     31
    Steelers 10

Hey Chappy you just getting back from mourning the Faiders loss to KC????

The Crazy Met

	Steelers     27
        Sowboys      17

 I was going with the Packers till Sterling left building. I'd like to pick
 the Lions but then you guys would be crying for a year that the Steelers
 didn't beat a worthy opponent......

 mike
 

    Dallas    33
    Chargers  19
    
    3 in a row !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Tom

    
    DALLAS GOES DOWN....
    
    San Fran  35
    Pitt      23  
    
    Score will be 28-23 with Pitt driving and Dieon picks off a O'Donnell
    pass and runs it back 80 yards for a TD and clinchs the Super Bowl...
    
    westy
    

    Well With Denver and Buffalo out the only other 0-4 team is Minny,
    I dont think theyll make it :-)
    
    The NFC is a tough call, Id love to predict someone other then
    Dallas/SF but even a healthy Minny team couldnt beat either of them,
    plus I dont think its possible for Minny to play SF in rnd 2 otherwise
    I could pray that they both lost :-) (SF and Dallas that is).
    
    I hate to say it (Type it) but no one other then SF will represent the
    NFC This year...
    
    In the AFC, My heart wants the Pats but lets WAKE UP and smell the
    coffee, they may be the best team in the AFC right now (7 straight
    wins) but there still too young, and our beloved Bledsoe will throw
    1 too many INT's... So I'll go with (I just cant decide between SD
    and Miami..) oh hell we'll go with Marino...
    
    
    	Miami	51	San Fran	44
    							mab

    
    
    
       rep TCW
    
    
        Yup  :-)
    
    
    Chap

    
    >>Score will be 28-23 with Pitt driving and Dieon picks off a O'Donnell
    >>pass and runs it back 80 yards for a TD and clinchs the Super Bowl...
    
    And then Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene pummel the living sh_t out of
    Deion when he goes into his as$$hole dance on the way to the end zone.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Late, I know, but I was away...
    
    Cleveland 24, Green Bay 20
    
    Joe

    Prediction:
    
    	Miami  38
    	49ers  31
    
    
    		Marino first of the class of '83 to win the big one!!!!!!
    

    Note in the Atlanta paper yesterday - No "Domed" based team has ever made
    an appearance in the Super Bowl.
    
    UMDan
    
    Prediction -
    
    Dallas 35
    Pitts  28

  Dallas comes close.

  George

> - in their regular season meeting, the Chargers were in the game until
>     early in the 4th quarter.

You mean the 38-15 beating that SF administered?? SF led 21-0 in the
1st quarter and 31-9 at the half; if that counts as being in it I would
hate to see your definition of being out of it.

The Crazy Met

Here are the game stats so that we can all see exactly how San Francisco
beat San Diego.

The Niners definitely jumped out early on the Chargers. If'n that happens
in the Super Bowl, they'll be in some serious trouble.

San Francisco 38, San Diego 15

Game Recap


Final             1st  2nd  3rd  4th     Total

San Francisco       7   14    3   14       38
San Diego           0    3    6    6       15


Scoring Summary

1st Qtr: SFO - TD, Brent Jones 10 yd pass from Steve Young (Doug Brien kick), 
                   13:29. Drive: 11 plays, 60 yards in 
                   6:09. Key plays: S Young 11-pass to Jones on 
                   3rd-and-4 to San Diego 15.
2nd Qtr: SFO - TD, John Taylor 4 yd pass from Steve Young (Doug Brien kick), 
                   9:21. Drive: 7 plays, 37 yards in 3:55. Key
                   plays: S Young 20-yard pass to Popson to San Diego
                   16.
         SFO - TD, Ricky Watters 4 yd run (Doug Brien kick), 13:09. 
                   Drive: 4 plays, 59 yards in 1:39. Key plays: S 
                   Young 14-yard pass to Rice to San Diego 45; S 
                   Young 23-yard pass to McCaffrey to San Diego 22.
         SDG - FG, John Carney 50 yd, 15:00. Drive: 7 plays, 45 yards
                   in 0:53. Key plays: Humphries 20-yard pass to 
                   Martin to San Francisco 42; Humphries 17-yard pass
                   to Jefferson on 3rd-and-12 to San Francisco 32.
3rd Qtr: SDG - TD, Natrone Means 12 yd run (two-point conversion failed), 
                   5:45. Drive: 11 plays, 47 yards in 5:34. 
                   Key plays: Humphries 4-yard pass to Pupunu on 
                   4th-and-2 to San Francisco 35; Means 1-yard run on
                   3rd-and-1 to San Francisco 23.
         SFO - FG, Doug Brien 22 yd, 10:44. Drive: 9 plays, 71 yards 
                   in 4:46. Key plays: S Young 27-yard pass to Jones 
                   on 1st-and-15 to San Diego 36; Rice 19-yard run to
                   San Diego 18.
4th Qtr: SFO - TD, William Floyd 1 yd run (Doug Brien kick), 6:40. 
                   Drive: 10 plays, 68 yards in 5:19. Key plays: S 
                   Young 20-yard pass to Taylor to San Diego 44; S 
                   Young 20-yard pass to Rice to San Diego 9; S Young
                   8-yard pass to Watters to San Diego 1.
         SDG - TD, Tony Martin 2 yd pass from Stan Humphries 
                   (two-point conversion failed), 9:32. Drive: 10 
                   plays, 73 yards in 2:52. Key plays: Humphries 
                   21-yard pass to Martin on 2nd-and-15 to San Diego 
                   43; Humphries 34-yard pass to Martin to San 
                   Francisco 19; Humphries 8-yard pass to Martin on 
                   3rd-and-10 to San Francisco 2.
         SFO - TD, Deion Sanders 90 yd interception return (Doug Brien kick), 
                   14:28.


Team Statistics

                           SFO            SDG
First downs                 27             20
Rushing                      9              4
Passing                     17             15
Penalty                      1              1
3rd-down efficiency       4-10           8-15
4th-down efficiency        2-4            2-3
Total net yards            417            378
Total plays                 66             67
Average gain               6.3            5.6
Net yards rushing          119             56
Rushes                      33             22
Average per rush           3.6            2.5
Net yards passing          298            322
Completed-attempted      25-32          25-43
Yards per pass             9.0            7.2
Sacked-yards lost          1-6           2-15
Had intercepted              0              2
Punts-average           1-47.0         3-42.7
Return yardage             176            190
Punts-returns             3-32           1-11
Kickoffs-returns          3-54          7-179
Interceptions-returns     2-90            0-0
Penalties-yards           6-31           5-49
Fumbles-lost               3-1            1-0
Time of possession       32:06          27:54


Player Statistics

Missed field goals: SDG (John Carney 42).

San Francisco rushing: Ricky Watters 17-53, William Floyd 10-34, 
Jerry Rice 1-18, Adam Walker 2-10, Steve Young 2-4, Elvis Grbac 1-0.

San Diego rushing: Natrone Means 18-50, Stan Humphries 2-4, Eric Bieniemy 1-3, 
Ronnie Harmon 1--1.

San Francisco passing: Steve Young 25-32 for 304 yards, 0 INT, 2 TD.

San Diego passing: Stan Humphries 25-43 for 337 yards, 2 INT, 1 TD.

San Francisco receiving: Jerry Rice 12-144, John Taylor 5-53, 
Brent Jones 3-48, Ricky Watters 2-12, Ed McCaffrey 1-23, Ted Popson 1-20, 
William Floyd 1-4.

San Diego receiving: Tony Martin 9-172, Ronnie Harmon 5-42, Shawn
Jefferson 4-53, Shannon Mitchell 3-44, Alfred Pupunu 2-10, Natrone Means
1-6, Mark Seay 1-10. 

    
    The Chargers can win this game flat out IF they can run the ball, have
    some long time-consuming touchdown drives and make SF work for all
    their points.  I'm not saying it will happen, in fact I give my
    Chargers only a 35% chance of winning, but the Niners aren't invicible. 
    They did lose a few games this year, and it could happen again.
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn
    

    The key to beating the 49ers, IMHO, is to disrupt the rythym of their
    offense.  Their offense is timing oriented, Young throws a lot of
    timing passes, and if you can knock the receivers out of their routes,
    and get enough pressure on Young, QUICKLY, while protecting yerself
    from his scrambling, they can be beat, but it's not likely on the 29th
    of this month.
    
    I would, however, If I was a bettign man, take the Chargers and the
    pernts.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Teams have tried to bump Rice early, and that's when he's had his big
    games.  He's stronger than he looks, and if you don't knock him flat
    every time (he almost always the 1st or 2nd option on every pass),
    you've given up a TD.
    
    brews

    
    	If I were S.D.'s defensive coordinator (Arnsbarger?), I'd double
    	the wide receivers (chuck them at the line) and let Junior cover
    	Jones one on one (after the defensive ends have sufficiently held
    	him up of course).  Make S.F. beat them with the run...
    
    	Of course, that's why I work at DEC.  :^)
    
    Claybone

Let's see.

Take 2 defenders, cover Rice; take 2 defenders, cover Taylor; Seau
isolated on Brent Jones; that leaves 6 people to do the rest.

Say you rush 4 of 'em, that leaves 2. Those 2 now have to cover any and
all plays, running and passing, that involves Young, Watters and Floyd.

I'd say that might be a prescription for keeping the score down a bit but
it would also be a slow methodical death march.

That's the problem for teams playing San Fran and trying to matching up.

What Arnsbarger is going to do is almost the opposite. He'll play a soft
zone almost beggin Young to set some Super Bowl records. About the
onliest thing that will stop him will be when they're up 4 TDs and Elvis
comes in.

TTom

    
    If they do that.   Young will have 60+ yards rushing, Watters will
    have 150+ Yards, and Floyd will have 3 or 4 TD's
    
    I already feel bad for San Diego.  They will lose by at least 3 TD's
    if not more.
    
    Rob M.
    

	I don't think anyone believes SD can win, IF they don't do what
	the Giants did against the Bills.  San Diego has to control the ball
	with the rush.  Natrone Means and the 49'ers line might be able to
	do it. If they can hold the ball 35 minutes, they have a chance.

  Of course almost no one believed the Jets could beat the Colts in Super Bowl
III and the Chargers have been surprising people lately but it still seems
very unlikely that they will win.

  I wonder why it is that football, more than any other sport, seems to get
these really one sided matchups in the final championship? I don't remember
that being a problem back in the old NFL Championship game days.

  George

Saw a_editorial cartoon today.

It's a picture of a dog labeled San Diego, with strewn bones lebeled
Miami and Pittsburgh. 

Caption says: 

	Beware of the Underdog

TTom

    	Here's to hoping that all these folks rooting for the underdog
    will do so with their wallet and push the line down to a more
    manageable number.
    
    				   /Don

The blowout to Philly was simply a case of SF pulling a no-show.

The way they played, you coulda run on 'em.

The real loss to consider is their bad showing at the Chiefs. Or course,
KC had Montana so the comparison might not be all that helpful.

TTom

    Re - a few back 
    
    I'm fed up of 'John Taylor is great'. No way does he demand x2
    coverage. If he was so $hit hot then his stats would testify that.
    One catch from Montana in 'The Drive' & the guy rides on hype for
    years.
    	  Davie. 

    
    but what a catch it was!!
    
    Didn't you used to go by alibengal or sumfin??  8^)

  Bud bowl will be closer than the Superbowl.



  Again,

  George

    Mike,
    	I hope your right but isn't that a lot like Phoenix in '93 saying
    
    "We've got Pippen,Cartwright,Bj and Horace under control and a better
    coach to boot"

    How on earth can Ross be a much better coach than Siefert?  Siefert
    has the highest winning percentage over the last 5 years.  SF should
    win by about 10 - 14 points.
    
    

    
    
    	How would Siefert far in Tampa Bay? My mother could have had the
    highest whinning percentage with that team.

    the same could be said about Switzer.  Siefert has had to work through
    two different offensive coordinators and still keep the offense at
    the top.  He has at least three rookies on defense.  The offensive
    line has changed the backfield has completely changed in the last
    four years and finally he coached the team that beat your Dallas
    Cowboys.  Granted he has had talent but you still have to get talent
    to work together.

    
    Jimmy took a team that was 3-13 and went on to two SB wins in just five
    years. Siefert walked into a winning situation when Walsh left to become 
    a TV announcer for NBC. When he could not win the big game, his owner went
    out and bought him a defense.

    
    
        And with that Defense the Lord hath said " There will be no
    3-Peat!!!

    Cadzilla where did jimmy buy Washington and Haley from?
    
    

> When he could not win the big game, his owner went
> out and bought him a defense.
  
    Seifert is on his way to his 2nd Super Bowl victory, with a different
    team and different personnel from the first one, in a league where 
    regardless of what you're given to work with there are no guarantees
    and ample opportunity to screw up.  Seifert has gotten the job done
    long after Bill Walsh has gone.  If you're going to give the credit 
    only to the owner, then we could just as easily say that Jerry Jones
    was the person who built the Cowboys (just ask Jerry, he'll tell you
    so).  Maybe it's up to Jimmy Johnson to take the Tampa Bay job or 
    such to prove he can do it again...
    
    glenn
    
                             

    
    >Seifert is on his way to his 2nd Super Bowl victory, with a different
    >team and different personnel from the first one
    
    Really?  Where was he for his 1st Super Bowl victory?
    
    Marc
    

    that was the superbowl against denver...you know 55-10.  The defense is
    almost completely different.  The offense is different.  No Joe, Roger,
    Tom, and no Holmgren as offensive coordinator.

    
    Ah, so the statement SHOULD have read
    
    Seifert is on his way to his 2nd Super Bowl victory, with the same team
    but different personnel from the first one, 
    
    rather than
    
    Seifert is on his way to his 2nd Super Bowl victory, with a different
    team and different personnel from the first one
    
    Okay, I feel better now.  I thought I was losing my memory or something
    
    Marc
    
         

    Or maybe,
    
    Seifert is on his way to his 2nd Super Bowl victory, with the same franchise
    but different team from the first one.

    I personally don't define team and franchise in the same way.  If the same
    franchise has completely different players, I agree this is a different
    team.

    
    This is the first time in a LONG time that the AFC team is bigger on
    both sides of the ball than the NFC team.
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn
    

    49ers will crush emmm
    
    62-9.
    
    Young will break most of Montana's single Super Bowl records.
    

    
    I'm takin SD for the win!  
    

  Anyone notice that there is surprisingly little hype this year about the
Superbowl? There's almost no talk of it in the Boston papers or on Boston
TV.

  That's odd considering the amount of interest in the Patriots this year.

  George

    
    >> Anyone notice that there is surprisingly little hype this year 
    >> about the Superbowl? There's almost no talk of it in the Boston 
    >> papers or on Boston TV.
    
       I don't know what paper you're reading. There's an article on
       Natrone Means on the fron of the Globes sports section and two
       whole pages of other coverage inside. That's preety much been the
       pattern all week.

    And even if you don't like Andleman, Weei is broadcasting from Miami
    and Eddie has quite the list of characters (diverse to say the least)
    to be interviewed.
    
    I take it the pros and cons of Andleman have been exhausted long ago in
    this forum.

    Sort of agree with George (omigod).  The hype doesn't appear to be as
    prevelant as in years past (IMO).  Probable reasons - O.J. Trial, Newt
    and the Republican takeover of Congress, and the feeling that the outcome
    of the SB has already been determined.
    
    Just wish Ito would have gone ahead and sh*tcanned the media coverage
    on OJ.
    
    UMDan

    i Thinkthe superbowl hype got overhyped this year so that there isn"t
    that much hype compared to the hype of the previous years>  this is
    good unless they hype the fact that there isn"t as much hype and next
    year they hype everything more>
    
    i think my laptop got nailed by a power hit< and screwed up my kb< my
    caps and bs key is all messed up>>>sorry 
    
    brews  bk

    
    
        Nice Grammar

    
    actually< chappy< the grammar is fine>  it"s the punctuation that is
    giving me a problem< becasue as i said< my kb all screwed up>  it seems
    that if the little caplock light is ooff< i type in all caps< LIKE
    THIS> but if i type with the capslock light on< it"s all in lower case
    like this< except that none of my number keys or symbol keys work< the
    bs key takes me to the beginning of the line i"m on< and who else knows
    what"s wrong>  (the little <> are commas and?or periods?)>
    
    brews
    
    ps who are you calling a liar? 

    Bruuuuuce
    
    With all of that time on hold to DECsale you figger you would have
    time< to fix the PROBLEM>
    
    Frank>>>>>
    

    There ain't too much hype cause this year's SB is more like the Lions
    against the Christians, and the Lions been sharpening their claws and
    teeth fer this one.  
    
    JaKe
    

|    There ain't too much hype cause this year's SB is more like the Lions
|    against the Christians, and the Lions been sharpening their claws and

Nah, the Lions lost to the Packers in the firsted round...

    ba-doom
    

    
>>Nah, the Lions lost to the Packers in the firsted round...
    
    Wrongo Lions, douche-bag.
    
    JaKe
    
    

The 49ers' stars are the only thing to talk about this year (as far as
pre-game hype goes).  Not only does the general public regard SD as
no competition, but they don't have any recognizable stars either
(is Junior Seau known by the 'general' public ?).

    What I'd like to see the most this year is fer Deion Sanders to go into
    one of his a$$hole struts/dances and see someone run offa the sidelines
    and baseball bat his knees.
    
    Hell, I'd watch that on tape over and over and over...
    
    
    JaKe
    

  That's a really disturbing thing to have to read this early in the morning.

  What has Dion ever done to deserve such a thing?

  George

 ran his mouth for starters not that I think he deserves quite that severe
 of a punishment. I'd just like to see him get pancaked by an OL.

 so I guess given that Dennis Hopper got one of his shoes for xmas that
 Dieon is the guy that Junior, Young and Means say should be allowed to
 speak?

 mike

    
    
    
          Dennis Hopper is the guy who is gonna be speaking.

| of a punishment. I'd just like to see him get pancaked by an OL.

If an o-lineman LOOKS at Deon, he goes down to the ground 
and calls for the Log Cabin Syrup...

=Bob=

    Just one questions and be honest.   Would any of you guys want him
    on your team.  Regardless of the distractions.
    

    
    
         Yup

yup

The Crazy Met

  I'd love to see Neon Dion on the Patriots.

  George

    
     Yup.

    
>    Just one questions and be honest.   Would any of you guys want him
>    on your team.  Regardless of the distractions.
    
    Regardless of the distractions?  Hmmm... I'm not sure you _can_
    disregard the distractions.
    
    I'll say no anyway, unless disregarding the distractions means his
    personality has changed...
    
    Joe

    Nope.
    
    JaKe
    

What 'distractions' does Deion bring to the football field ?

    re.103
    
    The biggest ears since "Dumbo"????
    
    
    JaKe
    

RE                    <<< Note 202.103 by USCTR1::GARBARINO >>>

>What 'distractions' does Deion bring to the football field ?

  The one that must drive fans nuts is that they don't get to see their
Quarterback play as much because sometimes he runs the kickoff back for a
touchdown. 

  Ditto when he intercepts a pass then runs that in instead of getting tackled.

  I don't know how fans could be expected to put up with that stuff. 

  George

    George, ya must love Deion just as much as figger skatin'.
    
    JaKe
    

    By distractions I mean the hot dogging on some interceptions or
    touchdowns.  Been a 49er fan for a long time and have watched Deion
    with Atlanta slow down Rice.  In face Deion has killed the 9ers at
    times with his punt and kickoff returns.  I couldn't stand the guy
    when he was in Atlanta.  Since he is a 49er I can stand him.  The
    guy is an extraordinary athlete.
    

>    when he was in Atlanta.  Since he is a 49er I can stand him.  The
>    guy is an extraordinary athlete.

A lot of the players have said this too -- couldn't stand him, but now he's
on our team, so we can.


I dunno, I must not have much flash and flair in me.  My two favorite 
49ers are Bart Oates and Harris Barton.....
    

    >>I dunno, I must not have much flash and flair in me.  My two favorite 
    >>49ers are Bart Oates and Harris Barton.....
    
    What else would you expect from a "prop-butt"?
    
    
    billl

|    >>I dunno, I must not have much flash and flair in me.  My two favorite 
|    >>49ers are Bart Oates and Harris Barton.....
|    
|    What else would you expect from a "prop-butt"?
    
    
Yeah, well, what can I say?  To me, the offensive line are the unsung heroes...


'Saw

>I dunno, I must not have much flash and flair in me.  My two favorite 
>49ers are Bart Oates and Harris Barton.....

How does Bart Oates get that helmet over his FAT HEAD ???

>    To a man, Deion's biggest detractors are middle-aged,
>   slow white guys who couldn't even begin to dream of
>   doing what the Neon Peon does. I ain't particularly 
>   crazy about his MC Hammer routine but the cat can play. 
>   Give him his due.

Well, I'm almost middle-aged, and I'm definitely a slow white guy.

Neon Deion does some things VERY well, and other things not so well.
He's fast -- speed overcomes other technical flaws.  Not being speedy
I know that well.

He doesn't hit or tackle.  I think it is laughable that he was defensive
player of the year.  I'd take Woodson as an all around player first.


BUT, with the exception of his histrionics, I *enjoy* watching him play....




As to Bart Oates' haid, they just make a helmet big enough.  He doesn't
have the biggest haid in football though -- that was one of the Washington
hogs from back in the 80s.  One of the tackles.  I remember John Madden
saying the guy had a "big ol' pumpkin haid!"


'Saw

    

 funny Tommy but I don't recall anybody saying the guy couldn't play.
 Just that they can't stand his BS. He gets his dues as a player who
 can cover from me but that's it. So much of his claim to fame though
 is built on hype because he plays two sports and the flashiness he
 eludes. I think Terry McDainels is every bit as good as a cover-man
 but I serioulsy doubt that if Terry played for the Niners this year 
 that he would have won Defensive Player of the year despite the fact
 that he hits and probably plays better zone defense that Dieon. 

 The way I see it despite the fact that his teammates say he's a good
 guy and teammate is that Dieon is only in for Dieon. If he really cared
 about his teammates he'd drop one sport for the other and certainly he'd
 concentrate on hitting and playing better zone defensive if football was
 his sport of choice.....

 mike

    
    	I'll tell you what, I hope Means goes wide around end and 
    	Deion comes up to try to make the block.  
    
    	Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    

 no prediction just things I'd like to see:

 Ricky Watters  2 fumbles lost.....

 Steve Young    3 interceptions...

 Means pancake Dieon on an a sweep...

 Papupu catch one in the flat and Pancake Dieon...

 Jefferson outrun Dieon for a catch a score....

 niners build a 17 point lead and blow it.........

 score I'd like to see   San Diego 35  Niners  23

 mike

The reasons Deion is great (and BETTER than Woodson) are:

	1- opposing offenses fear throwing his way...he DOES take a
	   WR out of the gameplan

	2- he rarely (if ever) gets beat deep

and most importantly

	3- he turns interceptions into TOUCHDOWNS...half of his INTs
	   this year went the other way for 6 points

What do I want to see ?

	- Mike C jump through his TV set and pancake Deion !!

	- Ricky Watters go 80 yards on a TD run

	- Steve Young have an awful day

	- Chargers win

  >> funny Tommy but I don't recall anybody saying the guy couldn't play.
  >> Just that they can't stand his BS. 
    
     And that they'd like to see him kneecapped. And for what? For being
     too flashy? I don't like the dancin' either but I don't wish the guy 
     a career ending injury. I remember hearing the same things about Ali 
     when he was young and certain folks wanted to see him get decapitated 
     for the same reasons. He was a brash young black man who didn't know
     how to act subdued and humble, who didn't know (and really didn't *care*)
     that you weren't allowed to express yourself when you did something 
     bordering on great. I think that are differences in how different
     cultures approach sports. Larry Bird is the quintessential example
     of one style of basketball and Michael Jordan of another. They're
     both great and entertaining and neither one of them deserves to be
     kneecapped for being what and who they are.

>>>	- Mike C jump through his TV set and pancake Deion !!

 yeah that would be great.........

    
    I would jump at the chance to strap it own again just to take a shot
    at the jamf. 

 I agree with you there Tommy, no one deserves to be kneecapped. I wouldn't
 mind seeing him Woozy though. Kinda like the Hammer Williamson back in #2.

 I also never wanted to see Ali seriously hurt but I sure did want to see
 him on his butt every round........

 mike

To me, it doesn't make a difference if someone is white or black.  Personally,
I've never been into folks who have to shoot off their mouth about how
great they are.  That's just me.

When I was in college, I had the opportunity to play in the wind ensemble
or orchestra while some pretty good guest soloists came to play with us.
Some were very brash prima donnas.  Others were very quite, and let their
playing speak for them.  I always tended to prefer the second kind I guess.

So, I'm not saying Ali wasn't a great boxer (he was) nor Deion a great
DB.  I guess I'm saying that I just don't like the mouth that goes along
with it.  

But, again, that's just me.....


'Saw

    I didn't think there was anybody who wasn't an Ali fan.
    The man exuded power and personality and charm.  To be anywhere
    near him was (and probably still is) to sense greatness.
    dr.a
    

    C.mon, Tommy, why does it always have to be because he is black.
    Isn't it possible that people can look at his antics and have a
    reaction to it without considering his race?  
    
    For my money I'd like to see Sanders get a real bell-ringing hit
    put on him.  Just the same as I did Mark Gastineau and Brian 
    Bozworth.  
    
    
    billl

    
    
    
        What I wanna see!!!
    
        SF TO Win by 38!!! Over 53/54.
    
        Deion with a couple picks and a TD!
    
          Mc Hammer, Ricky Watters, William Floyd, and Deion all doing a
    Rap video in the endzone after the game!
    
    
    Chap

    What I want to see...
    
    I want the 9ers to win first of all and to have Steve Young to be MVP.
    I'd like to see Rice and Jones have big games and...
    I'd like to see the defense play some hard hittin in your face
    football.  

	Hey Tommy Brydie, judging by the defensive reaction in here I guess
you hit the nail right on the head with the Sanders comments.  But I do 
disagree with one thing.  Jordan and Bird were not all that different.  
Somebody once told me that the only difference between Bird and Jordan was 
that they both did the same things, just Larry did it three inches off the 
ground and Michael did it three feet off the ground.  Larry certainly was 
no shrinking violet when it came to brashness, it's just that it was called 
confidence in him where it might be called cocky in a black athlete.

				   /Don

    
    JAke, how can you not like Deion, but put up with Tim McKyer.  I've
    seen both of them play for SF, and the difference is that Deion backs
    up what he says, and doesn't trash talk nearly as much as McKyer.  I'd 
    guess that if Deion was a Steeler, he'd be OK in your book.
    
    RE Woodson vs. Deion-  Early in the season, Woodson got burned a few
    times when he was on single coverage.  The Steelers had to rethink the
    strategy and you didn't see Woodson man-to-man on the big receivers in
    the league, like you do with Deion.  Would Woodson have shut down
    Harper and let the Steelers double Irvin, the way Deion did?
    
    brews

.124:

>   I didn't think there was anybody who wasn't an Ali fan.
>   The man exuded power and personality and charm.  To be anywhere
>   near him was (and probably still is) to sense greatness.
>   dr.a

Even before he announced his conversion to Islam after winning the
title, Ali was controversial.  He was brash and loud and boastful
(and brilliantly funny, if you didn't find him offensive).  He
recited self-composed poetry to the press, which usually included
a prediction of the round in which he would knock his opponent out.
An awful lot of whites detested him, because in those days athletes
were supposed to be humble about their accomplishments and say "Aw
shucks" a lot.  White athletes who deviated from this norm were
labelled "flakes", and more or less tolerated.  Ali was not tolerated,
by many, and in most of his pretitle fights, more of the crowd was
against him than for him.  No question that a black athlete was
given less leeway than a white one; if Ali had been white, people
would have chuckled and shaken their heads.

Then he won the title, announced his conversion, and refused to be
drafted into the Army.  By now half the country thought he was a
hero and the other half thought he was a traitor.  Race was not the
issue at this point, except of course that his religion understood
itself as the faith of the blacks.

After he won his case before the Supreme Court and returned to boxing
after more than three years away, he was on a collision course with
Joe Frazier.  When they met in the first contest between undefeated
HW champions, Frazier was the champion of the patriotic set; it was
very much a political issue.

But times changed.  The war ended, Malcolm X was murdered, Ali
himself got sick of Muslims telling him he shouldn't have Angelo
Dundee in his corner.  Ali's fights were no longer political issues
by the time he took the title back from George Foreman, and he won
grudging respect from many detractors by his show of courage in the
brutally punishing third fight with Frazier.

Finally, in retirement, he achieved in America the status of icon
that he had long since had in the rest of the world.

If anyone's interested on more about this remarkable man, Thomas
Hauser's oral biography is a pretty good piece of work.

Steve

    	I predict that the Beavis and Butthead halftime show will be
    watched more than the one in Miami.
    
    				   /Don

>     Jeff Lageman are after a sack. Saw professes to be colorblind and
>     I know that by and large he is but says his two favorite players are
>     Barton and Oates - two big, fairly slow white guys. And there's
>     absolutely nothing wrong with that. He can indentify with those
>     guys and in the end that's what it comes down to.

Yes, but also keep in mind the fact that they tend to be behind the
scenes guys.  You don't see a lot of reporters running up to Oates
after the game saying "Bart, that was some great snapping out there today".

By the very nature of the position, you DON'T want to hear your name 
called.  

So, I identify with them because they let their playing speak for them,
not necessarily because they're white.  I've also kept an eye on Steve
Wallace and Jackie Slater (talk about STUD-dom, all those years in the
NFL playing tackle)......

I identify more with the quietness of the position than the color necessarily.


But I'll be honest as I say with tongue in cheek:

	If we whities could ever produce an NFL cornerback,
	I sure would be rootin' for him..... [lotsa 8^)]


'Saw
    
    

    I've predicted the AFC 10 straight times and another one means nothing.
    
    I like San Diego and liked them vs Pitt and they are probably the best
    bet the AFC has had in awhile.
    
    So SD 31 49ers 30
    
    Billte

    I think the Chargers will suprise many by not only covering the spread,
    but beating the 49ers outright.
    
    Chargers	31
    49ers	17
    
    
    billl

    
    If I say that Jerry Rice is my favorite player does that mean I'm a
    fast black guy.  Sheeiitt, it's a good thimg my mother died before she
    found this out.  8^)
    
    brews

'Saw, the reason you go for the grunts up front is that you're a rugger.

If I say my favorite ballplayer is Barry Bonds, does that make me a...
no, never mind.  I'll have the Pittsburghers on my case anyway.

Kinda surprising, considering the spread, how many of you are picking
the Chargers to win.

Steve

    >>Kinda surprising, considering the spread, how many of you are picking
    >>the Chargers to win.
    
    I think it comes from the age old "root for the 'dog" attitude.
    
    
    
    billl

>
>'Saw, the reason you go for the grunts up front is that you're a rugger.
>


Well, I'm sure that is part of it, but as a kid I always liked the linemen,
both offensive and defensive.

But hey, you can't go by me.  I liked brussel sprouts as a kid too!


8^)

|But hey, you can't go by me.  I liked brussel sprouts as a kid too!

See, your mother was right, they helped you grow up big and strong!

'Bout the only thing I didn't really like as a kid was spinach.

I did like beets back then, although I don't care for them now.....

We didn't always have a lot of luxuries when I was growing up, but I can
never remember a time when there was not plenty of good food on the table.


'saw

    
    Hi out there, get with it......
    
    Bolts go bust with mistakes   SF 49ers  42
                                  SD Bolts  16
    
    49ers want it bad......Dieon dances up a storm to victory.....
    
    westy
                     

    
    'Saw,
    
    	When I was a kid, we put the slow, fat kids on the line....
    
    Claybone

    Just hope its a good game -
    
    SF 31
    
    SD 21
    
    UMDan

    
    
    So Clayboy which did you play, guard or tackle? (:^)> 

    
    >>	1- opposing offenses fear throwing his way...he DOES take a
    >>	   WR out of the gameplan

    It ain't like opposing defenses pick on Woodson like a green rookie. 
    they tend not to throw his way.
    
    >>	2- he rarely (if ever) gets beat deep

    Woodson got beat early deep this year, but he gambled on those plays
    and lost.  
    

>>	3- he turns interceptions into TOUCHDOWNS...half of his INTs
>>	   this year went the other way for 6 points
    
    Half of Woodson's Int's this year also went fer TD's.
    
    JMHO, and a fact
    
    JaKe
    

	Woodson's an outstanding cornerback, but coverage isn't the main
	reason why; he's not the coverage corner that Deion is, and QB's aren't
	going to avoid their WR's on his side just because he lines up over
	there against him.  Deion is more likely to take away a receiver
	so the QB won't even consider him.

	On the other hand, Woodson is much better than Deion in hard hitting
	and tackling, and will be involved in plays other than coverage.

	Deion is faster, but both can be good return guys when used.

    The blood-letting started on play # 3 when Young hit Rice fer a TD.
    
    San Fran is gonna roll.
    
    Chargers went 3 and out and now SF will make it 14-0and by the half,
    everybody'll be watching Jacques Cousteau er sumthing like that.
    
    oops, Watters just caught a pass fer a td and it'll be 14-zip
    momentarily.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Yup after that first score the game was over. SD couldn't stop the SF
    offense which was no real surprise. Unlike the Steelers or Dolphins SF
    has a multi-dimensiona offense which no one has been able to stop since
    late October.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

First off, yep, I played line, Claybone, but I could pancake people pretty
well....


Second off, I watched the game and what a helluva game it was.  Young and
Rice were unconscious together, Watters was right on.  The San Fran line
played extremely well until later in the game.

Neon Deion actually made a tackle, made an inty late, but I was more impressed
about the footage of him during the pre-game, where he talked about growing up
and how he doesn't drink or smoke. 

Stubblefield and Bryant Young, are studs.


Jerry Markbreit kept his crew notably "out of it", and I was pleased he
was officiating.  You don't often see a lot of controversy in a game he
does.


'Saw

|   Any back to the subject at hand -
    
|   The prediction. From the guy who picked San Diego over Pittsburg.
|   From the guy who said that he'd take Grant Hill over Big Dog in the
|   draft. From the guy who said Dominique as a mistake. And the guy who
|   wanted Errict Rhett in the draft. 
    
|          San Franciso 23
|          San Diego    27
 

Damn, knew I shouldn't have bet the life savings based on this...

Oh well, the kids can always be plumbers when they grow up.
Just don't know how I'm gonna buy them new shoes...

=Bob=

Hey, =Bob=, even the great predictors miss one once in a while.  You
should have been suspicious at the latest since Hal won KotH and
promptly went on a losing streak that quite possibly continues to
this day.

Steve

    
    The Chargers flat out got beat by a much better team.  The Niners
    were awesome and were hitting on all cylinders.  It was quite a
    beating.
    
    My Chargers need to fill some holes this off-season.
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn

    
    	Whoever was wishing for Deion to get nailed got his wish.
    	Ronnie Harmon tattoo'd him but good...
    
    Claybone

    
      Kept the streak alive. I havne't called a Super Bowl correctly
     since the Nixon administration.

    Those Chargers did have one heckuva two-point
    conversion play, though.
    dr.a
    

    
      You'll pay, Karen. It may be awhile but you'll pay.

Tommy, LOVE that p_name

The Crazy Met

   >> Hey Tommy, what are some of Mike Lupica's best works?

      A short list:

                   Title - Subtitle
    
      Just Add Water (instant Rangers fan!) - The Yoseff Francus Story    

      A Season In The Clink - The Continuing Saga Of The NY Mets

      Cruel And Unusual Punishment - The Karen Derry Story

      How Much Is That Title In The Window? - The Phoenix Suns Story      

      
      
      
      
      
    

you forgot

Call Me A Ballbuster - The Tommy Brydie Saga

The Crazy Met

    "Deprived of Excellence"
    	
    	- The Trials and Tribulations of being a Cleveland Sports Fan.
    
    "Got a Dictionary?" 
    
        - George Maiewski on Sports
    
    "The Devil Made Me Do It"
    
    	- Life and Times of Mike Heiser
    
    "We're Only In It for the Money"
    
    	- Don Robichaud's Guide to Profesional Sports
    
    "Waxing Tritely"  
    
        - The Frank Way Essay Collection :^)
    
    

    
    
    
    "The Agony and the Ectasy"		A life's work in the field of Cheeze-wiz

 good to see you didn't loose your sense of humor Tommy.....

 "He went Insane, She said Yes" - the Dan Medvid Story

 "The Crow Eaters' Jinx" - The Mike Childs Story

 mike

    
    
    "Those pigs are flying" - The Cleveland Browns Super Bowl story
    
    

|    "Waxing Tritely"  
|    
|        - The Frank Way Essay Collection :^)
|    


Et tu, Brut�?
    

	"Two Bricks Shy of a Load"  -  Hal and Groaners joint saga

	"A Little Dab'll Due Ya" - Nathan Jacon's 99 uses for Cheez Wiz




	billl

    	"101 Ways to cook brie in a Beemer" - Mark Lefebvre

    re.170
    
    
    Who is "Nathan Jacon"??????????
    
    
    JaKe
    

>    Who is "Nathan Jacon"??????????
    
Iris Chacon's bastard son?

>    Who is "Nathan Jacon"??????????

	Sheesh...am I supposed to re-read the thing for typos before
	hitting ^Z

	Make that Nathan Jacob.



	billl