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    Monica Seles has announced that she will not play in either the French
    Open or Wimbeldon.

Well, the wound wasn't that bad according to the docs, so it must be
the psychological aspects keeping her from playing.


At that last tennis match they arrested a German guy armed with a gun
and a knife.  He wasn't out to kill anyone though -- he simply thought
he was James Bond.


'Saw

    the sad thing is that the attacker is getting exactly what he wanted.

    
    Bon jour!  Les Open_Francaise es in happening.  Eet iz uno bon event
    et suprende beaucoup!  Beaucoup homme favorables est avoir!
    
    Que est la penses?
    
    Je rester!
    La francaise etudiant!
    Kevin
    

    
    for the languagelly impared
    
    Hello!  The French Open is happening.  It is a great event woth many
    suprises!  Many male favorites are gone (out)!
    
    What are your thoughts?
    
    I remain,
    a french student!
    Kev
    

Boris Becker, the Dean Smif of tennis...

    Becker did win back-to-back Wombledon titles, 3 in 4 years. He also won
    at least 1 US Open. And in less time than Smiffy took to win 2 NCAA
    titles.
    
    The Crazy Met

    
    Boris cain't play on clay!
    
    'nuff said!
    
    Je rester,
    les francaise etude wot failed!
    Kevin
    

    Kevin, I do not know you very well but the ending of your note does
    indicate that you are of the female persuasion.  Probably just a
    spelling error......
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    Mais oui, you misinterpreted Kevin, Cowboy. He's been trying to
    persuade females all his life, he's not OF the female persuasion.
    
    Bon soir and all that rot,
    MikeL
    

    
    	Abbut-yay esterdayay inay ethey enchfray openray earay usway
    anotheray upsetay!
    Itay eemsay atthay Evenstay Edbergay ostlay againay onay ayclay!
    
    EEhay aintcay ervsay onay aclay!
    
    Iyay emainray,
    Evinkay!
    
    

    Translation:  Parity has now infected tennis too.

    
    Sergi Bruguere of Spain won his firsted French Open by beating the
    current 2x champion Jim Courier in five sets.
    
    I saw parts of the 3rd, 4th and 5th set.  Courier looked like he was
    gonna three-peat midway in the 5th (when I turned off the tee vee).
    Quite the suprise to find out he was beaten.
    
    Interesting trivia:  That was only the 3rd time in history that a
    Spaniard vs. a U.S. player met in the finals.  The Spaniards have now
    won all 3 - Is there a tennis equivalent to a hokey hat trick?
    
    I remain,
    not 1/2 as good a player as those guys so I'll keep the day job!
    Kev
    

    Blimey!
    
    Eye say ol mayte, Wimbleton starts today.  Eye hope the weather hold
    up.

    
    Yabbuteven though he's suffering from a case of wrist tendonitis,
    Andre AGASsi won his first round match yesterday.  He wasn't expected
    to, even though he's the (gasp) reigning Wimbleton Champ.
    As has been the case for something like 96 years, the defending
    champeen played at 2:00PM at center court.
    
    I thought I read that it's been 25-26 years since the defending
    Wimbleton champ lost in the first round.
    
    I remain,
    ::sports tennis announcer?
    Kev
    

    Lendl lost today.

What a shocker for Lendl to lose at Wimbledon - not!

The Crazy Met

Why does he even bother!

JD

 
   Goran Ivanisivec got beat by Todd Martin in five sets... He was 2-1 up in
sets, and 4-2 40-0 in the fourth when he lost his bottle. He lost the set 5-7 and
gave Martin the final set basically 0-6. 

   Also out is Mary-Joe Fernandez, she got beat by Garrison 6-0 6-1.   That's a
bity because she was one of my favourite players. Can anyone out there in the
tennis world tell me if she's still going out with David Wheaton???? By the way
he beat Michael Chang in five sets to make the fourth round.

   Most European papers are claiming that Aggasi has hyped up his injury..  He's
won three games in a row and meets some Aussie qualifier in todays fourth round.
All fourth rd games (men and women) are scheduled to take place today.....


                                                                    -dave-


P.s If someone has any queries concerning the tournament I will be glad to help.

    That crying you heard was from CBS which has to find a way to get some
    viewer interest in a Men's semis that will have no
    McEnroe,Conners,Courier,Becker,Edberg or Lendl.
    
    The mens quarters are Medvedev-Larsoon,Pioline-Masur,Volkov-Muster and
    the only match that anyone cares about Sampras-Chang. If CBS can get
    ratings from this bunch then tennis is far more popular than any of us
    would believe.
    
    I do know this: Thye stadium will be packed for all the matches. The
    crowds there don't really seem to care who they watch.

Personally,   I'd rather have a barium enema than watch the US Open.
If there was nothing else on, I'd go out in the yard, and find some
of Rak's dog turd and watch them grow white hair.....


8^)

    Tommy should be having a field day about the faux fans at the US Open.
    These folks are far far worse than the celebrity junket tour that goes
    through Madison Square Garden, the LA Forum, etc when the local teams
    are doing well.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

 I happen to like watching Tennis but the competitors don't matter as
 much as good action. Hate to watch guys slug it out from the baseline.
 I like to watch them make all the shots. 

 The Women aren't bad either but I have to wonder if Gabby cut her short
 if she couldn't pass for a man???

 make

> The Women aren't bad either but I have to wonder if Gabby cut her short
> if she couldn't pass for a man???

I like Gabby....


> make

Hi Make, are you related to Rake?

8^)

I kinds like tennis myself.  I agree that the slug-it-out-from-the-baseline game
is less than thrilling, and usually prefer the women's matches myself.  Bud
Collins made a good point this weekend.  He said that they should have done what
major league baseball did.  Just as MLB outlawed metal bats, pro tennis should
have outlawed metal rackets.  This would reduce the speed/power, and increased 
the skill level required in the players.  Unfortunately, it is probably too late
to go back.

The bad news is, as Dave pointed out, that the big names got wiped out of the
men's competition.  The good news is that Aggassi was one of them.

=Bob=

    re. TCM

  >> Tommy should be having a field day about the faux fans at the US Open.
  >> These folks are far far worse than the celebrity junket tour that goes
  >> through Madison Square Garden, the LA Forum, etc when the local teams
  >> are doing well.
    
     Nope, TCM. Tennis is, was and always will be primarily a sport of the
     country club set. I expect to see the beautiful people at a Grand Slam
     event. When I watch a Knicks game I'd expect to see basketball fans
     but apparently there's a shortage of them in New York. 
    
    re. =bob=

     Bud Collins' opinion is a widely held one. Tennis fans have been de-
     crying the way pro tennis has sold its soul to the sporting goods 
     companies for some time now. And I'm afraid you're right, there's no 
     going back now. The big servers and their smash tennis is here to
     stay. Maybe enough people will get sick enough of the Richard Kraijecks
    (sp.) and realize how much more entertaining the Michael Changs are
     and cause a groundswell. Then again maybe TCM will be the new front
     man for Motley Crue.
  
 
    

>     and cause a groundswell. Then again maybe TCM will be the new front
>     man for Motley Crue.

According to Beavis, ANYONE would be better than Vince Neal....

'Saw
  
 
    

    With Macenroe gone tennis just isnt the same.. I turned it on last
    night and thought we were still in the early rnds, becker got knocked
    out by someone I never seen before and then the next match was this
    guy against another guy :-).....
    
    							MaB

    The only  interesting player is Aggasi.  Chang isn't bad to watch but
    Courier and Sampras are like two machines.
    
    The Men's semis are Sampras against Volkov and Medvedev-Pioline winner
    vs Larrson-Masur winner. Ugghh!!  In between is the women's final which
    will be probably be a one-sided win for Graf. Seles is really missed.

Dave

Aggassi is interesting if yoru are into faux-rebellion and image building.  He's a
pretty good tennis player, more athletic than most, but I persoanlly can't 
stomach his phony image.

=Bob=

    I can remember years where I spent many hours watching what CBS refers
    to as "Super Saturday". None was better than the 1984 marathon match
    between Connors and McEnroe that didn't end until midnight.
    
    I doubt I will watch any tennis tomorrow. Martina's absence diminshes
    the women's side also. Will anyone in this conference watch
    Pilone-Masur,Graf-Sanchez or Sampras-Volkov?

	not me!


	billl

   I ,for one, don't miss MacEnroe or Connors or Nastasie or any of 
  the other players who behaved like spoiled children. Tennis is the 
  only sports where the players behave so badly with so little cons-
  equence. It's almost as if the players are the upper crust and the 
  officials mere servants to be dealt with firmly and to be constantly 
  reminded of their station in life. Thanks goodness we don't see as
  much of it any more. As for Agassi, the "image is everything" label
  is undeserved, IMO. That's a commercial folks. No one thinks that Bo 
  Jackson can drop a Pepsi out a window and run down ten flights of
  stairs to catch it before it hits the ground yet Agassi is some kind
  of poseur because of of a commercial. I thought we celebrated the in-
  dividual in this country. Or is it cool to be different but not too
  different. That would pretty much explains why Sanchez-Vicario has
  a commercial in heavy rotation and Navritalova, probably the best
  women player ever and my favorite athlete, doesn't. 

re: Conners, McEnroe, et al. (REK, "et al." is latin. It kinda means 
"and the others")

I was no big fan of theirs at the time, but I will say that most of their 
emotion, be them a gaggle of spoiled brats, was genuine.  They wanted their
way, and wanted to win.  My problem with Aggassi is that his emotions seem faux
to me.  It seems like he is "on" when people are looking, and makes himself a 
walking commercial for Nike, and other products he is looking to endorse.  I 
admit that this is merely being enterprising, and carving out an identity 
which certain market segments can relate to, but I simply find it unappealing.

re: Martina

I'm also a big fan.  She truely dominated the sport for a while.  It 
particularly impressed me how, at the early stages of her dominance, she 
basically re-engineered her body to be leaner, stronger and have more stamina.  
It took hard work and will power to do this.

=Bob=

    At one time I disliked Mcenroe but when I watch a final now in tennis
    and then replay a Final with Mcenroe its jest not any where near as
    exciting.  Yes he spoiled hiw play with some of his temper tantrums but
    I havnt seen anyone in the past 10years as good as he was in his prime.
    Just a bunch of boring players with great serves....
    
    Agassi and Chang are the closets things to excitment in tennis today
    but still dont come close to the play and determination of Mcenroe!

    I've always been a big Cedric Pioline fan myself!
    
    NAZZ

>>    Agassi and Chang are the closets things to excitment in tennis today
			       ^^^^^^^

	Martina has come out of hers, why don't hese guys?


	billl

    
    That reminds me of something funny I heard on the radio a few days
    ago.
    
    Sportscaster:  "Player X outed, er uh, ousted Martina..."  then he just
    broke up laughing.
    
    brews

Other than Agassi (phony image or not?) tennis is just a bunch of automatons
going through the motions now. Courier,Sampras, Medvedev, Lendl, you name it.

Just a bunch of faceless guys with big serves...however they make the womens
game look like it's played in slow motion...

I only watch wimbleton now anyways....

It's football season anyways. Why are we talking about tennis?

I taught my daughter (15 months) to say football this weekend and how to dive
on a fumble....


Metz

    I'd love to be an "automaton" like Courier or Sampras, or any of the
    topnotch baseliners ...
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Tennis is boring.


I'd rather watch someone pick lint out of their belly button than
watch Tennis....


'Saw

>> I'd rather watch someone pick lint out of their belly button than
>> watch Tennis....

	With some it's more like serious excavation in a coal mine shaft.

	But then, if you have an "outie", it just brushes away.


	Now back to your regular scheduled program.....

	billl

�I taught my daughter (15 months) to say football this weekend and how to dive
�on a fumble....
    
    I think I'll pass on football with my daughters.  There is much more
    opportunity in tennis and golf (and more money) and less risk of injury
    (even with the chance of being stabbed in the back).
    
    Besides, I couldn't teach her to dive on a fumble.  I'd have to teach
    her to scoop it up and run with it.  Diving on it and killing it would
    result in a penalty.

>	But then, if you have an "outie", it just brushes away.


Word around the hospital is that the guys who can't tie knots well, 
always make "outies".  The docs who can tie, make "innies"


hth
'Saw

>    I'd love to be an "automaton"  ...

 re .38

  Ayuh, that's a real rib-tickler.

    I'll definately steer my daughter toward hte LPGA as soon as she's big
    enough to swing a club. Big bucks, long career, little risk of injury
    and the added bonus that I'd quit work and be her caddy. 
    
    The only thing to worry about is getting squished by one of those
    heffers that seem to dominate the tour...
    
    Metz
     

    
    Yabbut it's been reported that John MacEnroe has withdrawn his name
    from contention as the Davis Cup captain citing "the lack of time due
    to personal committments".
    
    I think that's unfortunate and there's something going on behind the
    scenes.  JM deserved to be named because of his many years of playing
    for the cup and the leadership qualities he exhibited (in da
    lockerroom).  Unfortunately, I think his "bad boy" public image and 
    his lack of "sensitivity" in the international political arena worked
    against him.
    
    Oh well......
    
    I remain,
    not sure how I feel about Barney
    Kev
    

    Sampras is not a baseliner--He has one of the most complete games in
    tennis.
    

    
    	Yabbut how about Andre "I love myself" Agassi's latest move?
    
    Apparently he's petitioning Las Vegas officials to rename 2 streets
    around his property to Agassi Lane and Agassi Road (or somethang to
    that effect).
    
    Sheesh.....
    
    I remain,
    having as racket!
    Kev
    

Real good semi-final match between Edberg and Martin in the Aussie Open. Only
bad part is it ran so late that ESPN2 never did get around to showing the
Rangers-Kings (OT win for NY).

All US final: Sampras vs. Martin

Sampras beat Courier again.

The Crazy Met

Yea, TCM, I heard that it was a great match.

I guess it's been a typical Oz Open - the weather has been hot-hot-hot.  Cain't
see Sampras losign this one.

    It's really hitting the fan now for Capriati in USA Today.

    Her "friends" stated that she couldn't get outta the car to do the
    marijuana thing because she was too stoned after smoking some crack. 
    She's already checked into a rehab center.
    
    After Tracy Austin, you'd think they would learn something about
    putting youngsters under the pressures of pro sports.

I heard she was doing heroin.

One of the other suspects is claiming that Jennifer paid for the motel
room and all the drugs but her narcotic of choice was smack. The one
blabbing supposedly bought it and sold it to her. The third person was
the one busted for crack.

TTom

Man, whatever happened to just drinking.

In college I was so satisfied if I had a bottle of Jack, so cool
tunes and nothing to do but exercise my elbow.....  We didn't need no
steenkin' horse or anything like that....  Shoot, most of us couldn't
afford it....

fw

 but that was then Saw, this is now. 10 bucks of smack will get you higher
 than 10 bucks of booze and without the hangover.........

 mike

    I think Mike's right with today's self-gratification, microwave-instant
    society.  On the other hand, you could argue about the drug of alcohol
    too.

Maybe Jennifer just got all worked up after listening to Rush...

TTom

>    I think Mike's right with today's self-gratification, microwave-instant
>    society.  On the other hand, you could argue about the drug of alcohol
>    too.


Oh, no doubt about the addictiveness of alcohol.  It's definitely a problem
in sports too (just look at Paul Holmgren).

I guess times were different then....


'Saw

    Just legalize it.
    
    Mark.

>
>    Just legalize it.
>    
>    Mark.

Hell, if they did, we could sell it, or use it as an incentive.

Okay, if you buy this AXP you get this bale of marijuana....


How funny would that be.....

    Then Clinton could tax it as well as inhalations to put a major dent in
    the national debt.

re: .62

not at all a bad idea.

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	6597 Capriati Enters Rehab Center
	6598 West Virginia Tennis Probed
 

     Heard this is the second time around at A rehab center for her.
     Read that the first time she entered a $950 a day rehab. 

    Steffi Graf lost in first round to Lori McNeil,one of the biggest
    upsets in tennis history.

    You mean Billie Jean King's stomping of Bobby Riggs has been
    replaced????
    
    REK

    Some US player beat Michael Stitch (#2 seed)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    	Yabbut Martina, playing in her lasted Wimbleton, has advanced to
    the semi-finals.
    
    I think that if she wins, it'll be her 10th title (and a  record)
    
    I remain,
    love-love
    Kev
    

    Did she play yesturday (Or today) Who did she beat, who does she
    play next and when ?  With Graf/Selas/Capriatti all out for various
    reasons (Drugs/Injuries/Choker) this may be her last chance.  Still
    a few good tennis players left in her path.
    
    								mab

    
    
    	Yabbut Michael Chang losted to Pete Sampras yesterday.  He advances
    to the semi-finals.
    
    Boris Becker's in the semi's too.
    
    I remain,
    partially helping?
    Kev
    

    Martina won today.... McNeil won the first set in her match...
    

    Go Martina! Great story at Wimbledon totally overshadowed by OJ,NBA
    draft and World Cup.

And of course she got a LOT of help along the way.

The Crazy Met

    
    
    	Duz she get any $$$ for endorsing snap-on-tools?
    
    ;^)
    
    

    Sampras vs Ivanisavice(sp?) in the Mens's final.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Martina is in the women's final.  I still think they shouldn't let men
    play women's tennis.

    
       They don't, Mikey. Sexual preference is distinct from sexual
      orientation. Martina, by any measure, is one of the greatest
      athletes of our times and a personal favorite of mine. That
      she could go out winning Wimbledon would be a fitting end to
      a great career. Not ony is she a dominating athlete, she's also
      articulate, intelligent and outspoken. I hope she wins it.

    Didn't they let Renee Richards play in the women's draw in the 70's?
    

    Orientation has squat to do with it.  Her domination is obvious as you
    stated.  Makes you feel sorry for the rest.

    
    
    	Yabbut I wanna know what she does with all those big silver
    plates they give the winner.  I mean, just how many hor d'euves can ya
    put out at one time??????
    
    	I know she cain't stack too many plates.
    
    I remain,
    probably not able to watch tomorrow,
    Kev
    

    MikeH Navratilova has not won a grand slam tournament in about 3 years.
    Graf,Seles,Sanchez-Vicario, Sabatani have won 'em (mostly the first 2).
    She did dominate at one point for 2-3 years, but so did Graf and then
    Seles.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
     >> MikeH Navratilova has not won a grand slam tournament in about 3
     >> years.
    
    
    
        Ohhh, THAT type of domination.
    
        Never mind...
    
    
    

  >> Orientation has squat to do with it.  Her domination is obvious as you
  >> stated.  Makes you feel sorry for the rest.

     Nobody called Seles a man and she was just as dominating before an
     overzealous fan decided the only Monica that Steffi could beat was
     a dead one (he wasn't far from right)> Nope, try and gloss over it
     but folks (including yourself) can't get past Martina's lesbianism
     and recognise her as perhaps the top female athlete of our (yours and 
     mine) generation.
    

    You must have simply misunderstood MikeH again, Tommy.  He was once
    again just making fun of the wealthy...
    
    glenn
    

    Martina is a lesbian?!

RE                <<< Note 116.88 by FRETZ::HEISER "Maranatha!" >>>

>    Martina is a lesbian?!

  Yes. Remember the big palimony suit a few years back?

  George

    
    
    >> Yes. Remember the big palimony suit a few years back?
    
    
      I'll bet Martina's got a lot of pals. What's the beef?
    
    
    

    I don't recall it.  It's not like I consider tennis to be sport that I
    would follow too closely.

    
    
|    >> Yes. Remember the big palimony suit a few years back?
    
|      I'll bet Martina's got a lot of pals. What's the beef?

No, no, she got sued by her horse, remember?

Actually, the thing that is most impressive about Martina, is that she 
virtually "rebuilt" her body during the height of her career.  When she
hit the big time, she was downright chunky.  She had terrible eating habits
and trainng habits.  She began to listen to people, and lost a lot of weight, 
while getting stronger, and gainign stamina.  It was this that led her to her
dominating years.

=Bob=

    
>>|    >> Yes. Remember the big palimony suit a few years back?
    
>>|      I'll bet Martina's got a lot of pals. What's the beef?

>>No, no, she got sued by her horse, remember?
    
    No, No, No.  If she was sued by her horse, that woulda been
    Palaminomony.
    
    Schnorttt Schittt Schleppps
    
    JaKe
    

|    I don't recall it.  It's not like I consider tennis to be sport that I
|    would follow too closely.

Yea, and you never heard of the John Birch Society either...

    
>>virtually "rebuilt" her body during the height of her career.  When she
>>hit the big time, she was downright chunky.  She had terrible eating habits
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Now, she's just downright BUTT_UGLY!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

   
 |   Now, she's just downright BUTT_UGLY!!!!!
 
Spoken by one of America's truely beautiful people...

    Re -.1
    
    
    I gots one of the shiniest solar panels you'll EVER see!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    SPORTS is still the only place I've heard of the JB Society.

    Martinez won the first set...
    

    Martines won the match in 3 sets.
    
    Spanish players are doing well in this year's grand slams.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

It was a good match.

Martina played well except for three costly errors in the 3rd set, but
Martinez was unconscious with some of the shots she was making.  Clearly
she was dead-bang on......


'Saw

    
    
    	Yabbut and Pete Sampras took home his second straight Wimbleton
    title on Sunday.  I think it took 4 sets.
    
    I remain,
    wondering how long their balls stay fuzzy?
    Kev
    

Sampras tokk 3 sets 7-6 7-6 6-0

The Crazy Met

    They replace the balls every 9 games, maybe it's 7...
    

Wimbldon is on.

Already two big upsets: Michael Chang and Jim Courrier both lost in the
firsted round.

Top seeds Sampras and Becker both advanced.

TTom

    Agassi's out as well.
    
    
    CHARLEY