Conference hbahba::cam_sports

Bruins played a helluva game Saturday against the Blues. 

They looked really bad on defense at times, but Moog was unconscious in
keeping them in it.   Then they couldn't muster any offense against
Curtis Joseph, the Blues goalie, who was like a vacuum cleaner in the net.

They let the Blues tie it and go ahead late in the third, but they did
a GREAT job tying the score with :58 left, when Wesley (JD really, i think)
poked home a pucked the slipped off Joe Juneau's stick.


There was a little controversy in the OT as Hogarth didn't call Shaw's
elbow to the St. Louis guy, but did call the retaliatory 
two-handed-axe-murderer slash back across Shaw's lower back.

The Bruins scored on the ensuing power play, Ray Bourque FINALLY getting
a rising shot from the point, to beat Joseph.

Joseph promptly flung his blocker and stick at Hogarth, and it appeared
that some sort of argument was to take place, but the cameras then
panned to the Bruins celebrating at the other end...


Hey, we got the two points, so I ain't complaining....   Hogarth's officiating
sucked, but never look a gift horse in the mouth....


'Saw

�Joseph promptly flung his blocker and stick at Hogarth, and it appeared
�that some sort of argument was to take place, but the cameras then
�panned to the Bruins celebrating at the other end...
    
    According to yesterday's Springfield paper a couple of Blues got hit
    with game misconducts before they even had a chance to tell Hogarth
    what they really thought of him.
    
    Nice win especially with Neely on the bench nursing a sore/swollen
    knee.  Bruins' trainer says it's to be expected and is nothing to worry
    about.

>    According to yesterday's Springfield paper a couple of Blues got hit
>    with game misconducts before they even had a chance to tell Hogarth
>    what they really thought of him.
    

Showing my ignorance of all the obscure rules of hockey, don't game 
misconducts kind of "add up" towards being suspended for a game somewhere
along the line?


'Saw

    The Neely news is not good.  I don't care what kind of spin they're
    putting on it.  The question is, was it wise to throw this guy into the
    fire the way they did, or should he come back more slowly, playing on
    the power play only, ala Mario, until he's ready for more?  After that
    let him play the power play and maybe the 3rd period, and so on from
    there.
    
    					Steve

    	I think their shuld be more fites in hokey...
    
    				/dOn

Tough loss for the Broons lasted night.

I felt they played pretty well (except for their power play), and could
have won that game with a little more hard work.   The winning goal
for the Pens came off a botched pass, and a Glenn Wesley mess up in
front.

Of course, Barasso was like a human vacuum cleaner too.

On the other hand, John Blue was also Blue Chip last night, making some
spectacular saves.

Bruins didnt' seem to skate with much speed, and I can't figure out if 
it was because they were playing against the Pens, or if they're just
tired or what....


'SAw

       
    ...Right 'saw, it was a tough loss. Pens seemed to hold on for
    dear life in the third period letting the B's have alot of shots
    with many good chances. Barrasso came up big when he had to. If not
    for the defensive F-up's, could've been a win.
    
    Mel
    

    
>>Bruins didnt' seem to skate with much speed, and I can't figure out if 
>>it was because they were playing against the Pens, or if they're just
>>tired or what....
    
    Twas just the superior competition!!  (8^)*
    
    Didn't get to see the game or even listen to it lasted night(as the
    p-name indicates).
    
    JaKe
    

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|    Didn't get to see the game or even listen to it lasted night(as the
|    p-name indicates).
    


Jake, 

	SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!!    

    Ya know, sometimes when yer married ya have to make certain sacrifices. 
    Mrs. JaKe REALLY likes Englebert, and he was in the 'Burgh lasted
    night, so I paid the price and took her.  Wasn't as bad as I thought it
    would be, but it should suffice to say that once in my lifetime is
    enuf.
                        
    JaKe
    

>    Ya know, sometimes when yer married ya have to make certain sacrifices. 
>    Mrs. JaKe REALLY likes Englebert, and he was in the 'Burgh lasted
>    night, so I paid the price and took her.  Wasn't as bad as I thought it
>    would be, but it should suffice to say that once in my lifetime is
>    enuf.
                        

I've often heard of military personal or police officers being called
on to make the Supreme Sacrifice, but I can't begin to imagine what
you went through last night Jake.

I heartily hope that there were some "rewards" involved post-concert.....


'Saw    

    It seems the Bs have been heavily outshooting their opponents lately
    but still coming up on the short end.

    Marriage or not, stuff like that should be against the law!

    	Like Denny said on the way home from a Broons� game on night...
    Start with 1970 and the Broons� have probably outshot their opponents
    in over 90% of the games they've played.  That and $2.50 will get
    you a cheap cup of coffee.  Their defensive lapses will cost them
    dearly come playoff time.  DaBroons� cough it up worse than Dean Smith
    in an Excellent Loss, and they don't have the kind of goaltending
    they've normally had in the last 3-4 years, Blue notwithstanding.
    Andy Moog has been huge in the playoffs the last few years, pulling
    out wins where they should've lost.  But Andy is nowhere near what
    he was, ditto for Ray Bourque and that spells out a first round loss
    to Les Quebec Nordiques.  When Don Sweeny is your best defensemen,
    you're in a world of hurt.
    
    				/Don

>    he was, ditto for Ray Bourque and that spells out a first round loss
>    to Les Quebec Nordiques.  When Don Sweeny is your best defensemen,

Broons have played well against the Queebs this year.  I'm worried about
Montreal.

But on the whole I agree with what you say.....


'Saw

    The Broons have beren doing it with mirrors since 77.  Even in their
    Cup final years (88 and 90) they were exposed by a faster, deeper team.
    OK so in 90 they had a legit shot. 
    
    This team has no d so to speak, its goalies are mush, and their
    offensive firepower is limited to two or three biguns. Leach, Reid,
    Rosie, Kimble, Poulin (at this stage of his career), Donato, Heinz
     are all role
    players. Even with Neely back, they are a looong reach. Even if they
    miraculously survive the Adams (far reach) they'll get kilt by the
    Patrick.  Time to clean house; the only marketable players IMO
    are Juneau and Oates.  Maybe Dimitri.
    
    MikeL
    

>    This team has no d so to speak, its goalies are mush, and their
>    offensive firepower is limited to two or three biguns. Leach, Reid,
>    Rosie, Kimble, Poulin (at this stage of his career), Donato, Heinz
>     are all role
>    players. Even with Neely back, they are a looong reach. Even if they
>    miraculously survive the Adams (far reach) they'll get kilt by the
>    Patrick.  Time to clean house; the only marketable players IMO
>    are Juneau and Oates.  Maybe Dimitri.
    
So you need defensive help, no doubt.  You need to start thinking about
finding the next Ray Bourque.

On offense, I think Juneau, Oates, and Dmitri are a core you can build
around.  Neely would be nice, but will he ever be 100%?


Just something to think about.....

'Saw

    

    	Hey 'Saw, you just don't go down to the corner store and pluck
    out a Ray Bourque.  Instead of looking for another one then should
    concentrate on beefing up their current crop.  You need some guys
    back there with mobility (like the crew Washington currently has),
    but this team could also use a stay at home guy who can clear out
    the net with some ferocity.  Featherstone ain't that guy because
    he takes way to many stupid penalties to be effective.  I still
    think the only team the Broons� match up well with is Buffalo and
    there's no way they're metting them in the first round.  The Adams
    Finals will be the Battle Of Quebec.
    
    				/Don

    Actually the B's defense has been pretty solid over the years.  The
    problem was they didn't have the goal scorers.  They were in a lot of
    2-1, 1-0, 2-0 type games.
    
    The B's have tried to get Ray some help and have someone to take over
    when he left.  Knee injuries keep getting in the way.  The Sox have the
    Curse of Ruth, the Bs have the Curse of Orr.

The B's have been built for years to conform to the small Garden Ice and play
some of the most boring dump and grind hockey ever exhibited as a result of
building a team to play there.

They've been exposed over the years whenever they played a series with a 
team with speed and skill on a decent sized ice. 

They've got to move to a new building with a real sized rink and build a 
team that can compete with the rest of the NHL in an average sized rink.

Mez

    What Metz said mostly,
    
    In the last couple, the Broons have built a team that actually plays
    better on the road 'cuz they has mo' speed ( Juneau, Oates,
    CarmelicecreanTalloneoff, Donato), but cain't maneuver in the small ice
    surface like the Gahden whar you need the physical play. So they really
    don't consistently look "at home".
    
    Anyhoo, it's "FORE" in early May 
    
    MikeL
    

    I can't recall ever seeing anyone "lose it" like Ray Bourque has this
    year.  In years past, he'd be on the ice so much the defensive weakness
    the team had, would pretty much be taken care of by him and a sharp Andy
    Moog.  Now the errant passes and giveaways stick out like a 5 lb. goyda.
    
    Another thing this team lacks is some rabble rousin' types.  They're a
    bunch of goodie two shoes clones.  Give me a McKenzie, Sanderson or
    Shack.  It doesn't have to be a tough guy, just someone who likes to
    bang people and bang 'em hard.  It rubs off on the other guys.  Steve
    Leach showed how effective this can be on Saturday when he probably 
    played his best game of the year.  Give me a guy like Mike McPhee in 
    his prime, or better yet a Cam Neely without any knee problems.  We 
    can forget about Neely playing "his" style of hockey for any length 
    of time.  It's too bad, but it just ain't gonna happen.
    
    					Steve

Slasher,

I almost bought a Ray Bourque last week at the store.....8^)


I agree with what you all are saying.  Makes a lot of sense.  Just have
to draft well, and then develop that talent.  Course, if it was that easy
I wouldn't be sitting here, I'd be there doing it.....8^)


'Saw

Well, as luck would have it I've come into a pair of EXCELLENT
seats for nexted Monday's game against the Failures at the Gahden.

I'm taking my dad, and am looking forward to a GOOOD game.  Of course,
every time I go I see the Bruins win in OT.  This time I'd like to
see a blowout....


'saw

Uh 'Saw I seem to recall a time that you saw the Bruins lose in OT.
Now when could that have been???

The Crazy Met

>Uh 'Saw I seem to recall a time that you saw the Bruins lose in OT.
>Now when could that have been???

Not at the Gahden.  Every time I've been to the Gahden, I've seen them
win in OT.....

Outside the Gahden, I've only seen them lose once....;^)


'Saw

    
>>Uh 'Saw I seem to recall a time that you saw the Bruins lose in OT.
>>Now when could that have been???

> Not at the Gahden.  Every time I've been to the Gahden, I've seen them
> win in OT.....
    
    It's rigged that way; ask /Don.  All hokey games are to be won in OT,
    by the team on home ice.  That maximizes the beer sales...
    
    glenn
    

OH!


I didn't know that.  And here I thought I was their good luck charm....8^)


'Saw

'Saw thats what 'ya get for not consulting with /Don. He would
tell you so himself :-)

The Crazy Met

    It gives Bruins fans somewhat of a good feeling to see that the Bourque of
    old may be rising from the dead.  He easily played his best game of the
    year Monday night against the Rangers, IMO.  It looked like he actually
    had some legs under him the way he was taking the offensive and
    clearing people out in front of the net.  Hopefully, it's a sign of
    things to come with the playoffs quickly approaching.
    
    John Blue was unconscious against the Devils on Tuesday.  You gotta
    like the way this guy is playing.  He's got an unorthodox styly, but it
    seems to be working...
    
    					Steve

>    It gives Bruins fans somewhat of a good feeling to see that the Bourque of
>    old may be rising from the dead.  He easily played his best game of the
>    year Monday night against the Rangers, IMO.  It looked like he actually
>    had some legs under him the way he was taking the offensive and
>    clearing people out in front of the net.  Hopefully, it's a sign of
>    things to come with the playoffs quickly approaching.

I agree Steve.  He and the team looked good against the Rangers.
    
>    John Blue was unconscious against the Devils on Tuesday.  You gotta
>    like the way this guy is playing.  He's got an unorthodox styly, but it
>    seems to be working...
    
The thing I like about Blue is his dream of being a forward.  He's pretty
mobile around the net, and has was definitely good enough for the shutout
against the Devils except for that one fluke goal....


'Saw

    
    Yabbut 'Saw,
    
    You justed better make sure that as you approach mile marker 101 on da
    Mass Pike (after exit 11) you look to the left (north) and give ol' Kev
    a honk with yer horn.  I live about 200 yards away from the "big road".
    
    I remain,
    wondering if'n you posess a BIG HONKER?
    Kev
    

    And the Neely legend continues as he scores a goal and an assist in his
    latest first game back.

    Canucks ROOLZ!
    
    
    CanuckJD

My dad and I went to the Bruins-Whalers game last night.  My dad had
never been to the Garden, and had always wanted to see a game there, and
I could tell from the time we left my house that he was really excited about
the whole deal.

We went drove up the Pike to Riverside Station, parked the truck (which
turned 100,000 miles right at the booth where you pay there) and got on
the T to go to da Gahden.

Had a great meal at the Commonwealth Brewery and then headed over to
the Garden.  With some time to kill we went into the Pro Shop, which was
mobbed, but not quite packed.   I still can't get over the prices for the
jersies and things.  Unreal.   But, I do like that sculpture of Andy Moog.
It's only $900, but it'd be neat to have....8^)

Then we headed into the game.   We had GREAT seats in the Stadium seating
area, and I made sure my dad came down into the loge for a few minutes
to see all the banners and the retired numbers and stuff.

So, we're sitting there just watching the people go buy, and nexted thing
you know these two little old ladies come in and they've got the seats
next to us.  Now, the lady next to me couldn't hold a candle to Irene
Ryan, but she was wicked cool.   She looked old enough to have 
waitressed at the Last Supper, but the COOLEST thing about here was she
was wearing a #2, Eddie Shore jersey.   (My dad and I remarked afterwards
that perhaps she'd even seen Eddie play in real life).

I told my dad that he was in for the experience of his life, when the
Lounge Lizard, Rene Rencourt sang the National Anthem.  My dad told me that
he'd heard him sing it up at Loudon Raceway last summer, but I told him
that you've never experienced Rene until you've heard it in the Garden.

Just prior to the National Anthem, Gord Roberts and Ray Bourque were
given special awards for having played 1000 games in the NHL.


So, the game was good too.  It appeared that Sutter had diddled with his
lines and his defensive combos, and the Bruins defense was a little suspect.
They outshot the Whalers 22-7 in the first period, yet at the end of the
first, it was 2-1 Hartford.   Andy Moog looked like sh*t on the first
Whalers goal, getting caught out of his net....

Kerry Fraser was the ref, and as usual, he sucked.  At one point, he
called a penalty on Joe Juneau for holding the stick.  It got kind of
quiet during the TV timeout, and a fan up behind me yelled
"Fraser, you're just jealous cause you wanted him to hold you".

Well, by the third period, the Whalers were up 3-2, despite being totally
outshot.  Mario Gosselin was keeping them in the game, his catching mitt
acting like a vacuum cleaner.

But, on a late power play, the Bruins tied it, and scored again a few 
minutes later.  They went up 5-3 shortly thereafter, got lazy and let
the Whalers close to 5-4 before they held off the Whale who had pulled
their goalie.

Andy Moog kept the Broons in it down the stretch.

The place went nuts from the Broons 3rd goal on, and the Eddie Shore
fan next to me was going wild too.


By the time we got back to the truck, I got my dad home, and returned home
myself, it was 1:15am, but it was a fine time.

I'm glad I had an opportunity to take my dad too.  Just seeing the excitement
in his eyes at seeing the Garden and enjoying our seats and stuff made it
all worth while.   I know it's a memory I'll treasure for a long time.....


I just hope the Bruins get their heads into the defense pretty quick!


'Saw

�Had a great meal at the Commonwealth Brewery 
    
    I wouldn't call anything you can get through a straw a meal.
    
�But, on a late power play, the Bruins tied it, and scored again a few 
�minutes later.  They went up 5-3 shortly thereafter, 
    
    I think this morning's sports report said 3 goals in under 3 minutes.

3 goals in 99 seconds.

The Crazy Met

>�Had a great meal at the Commonwealth Brewery 
>    
>    I wouldn't call anything you can get through a straw a meal.

Actually, I had a nice steak, with a Burton Bitter, and my dad
had a "harvest pie" with a Blond Ale.

    
>�But, on a late power play, the Bruins tied it, and scored again a few 
>�minutes later.  They went up 5-3 shortly thereafter, 
>    
>    I think this morning's sports report said 3 goals in under 3 minutes.

Right, as Craze said it was 99 seconds.  I was using the term minutes
very loosely.

All I know is that it was INTENSE.  The place was rocking BIG TIME.....


'Saw

    	Hey maybe DaBroons� could use that sculpture of Moog for the
    backup goolie?
    
    				/Don

>    	Hey maybe DaBroons� could use that sculpture of Moog for the
>    backup goolie?
    
Hey, I like John Blue.  He's done pretty well in all the games I've
seen him play except for Detroit lasted weekend.


Oh, /Don, do you know there are Japanese schoolgirls who sit in your seats
when you're not there?  8^)

'saw

    
    Blue ain't to bad, it's just he has zero defense in front of him.
    
    
    -TH

>    Blue ain't to bad, it's just he has zero defense in front of him.
    
I agree.

Actually, I kind of like to watch him roam around.....8^)

GREAT game by the Bruins last night, registering another shutout over
Montreal, 2-0.

The defense in this game was outstanding -- such a far cry from the
Whalers game earlier in the week.

The Bruins held the Habs to just 13 shots overall, and for 19:45 of the
third period, they held the shotless -- only a 160' effort late in the
game, was registered as a shot.

The Bruins are now 3 points out of first place -- I hope they can keep it up.


'Saw
    

    They have the 3rd best record overall, not too shabby with 9 games
    left they could overtake Montreal... Do they play Montreal again
    during those 9 games ????? Should be intresting now that preseason
    is almost over and the real season will be starting soon...

    B's certainly have the ability to survive the Adams playoff tilts.
    The Poulin line is really on. We'll see how Montreal plays when
    Schneider and Daigneault come back.  However methinks any Adams team
    will have to resort to outright murder to beat the 'Goons. If anyone
    else survives the Patrick besides the Pens, it's a crapshoot.
    
    MikeL
    

Don't know if the Habs-Broons match up again before the 'offs or not.

I know they're coming to the 'Ice House' in Harfaa on Tuesday, but
my NHL schedule is at home.....


'Saw

    	Can't believe this is the same team I've been watching all year.
    Almost got a puck lasted night.  Caromed off my pinkey finger and
    went under the seat of the lady next to me.  The only way I could've
    got it might have earned me a night in the lockup.  Loved the hit
    by Juneau on Muller right in front of me.  Joay's come a long way
    defensively this year (unlike that sissy goal scorer up in the Great
    White North).
    
    				/Don
    
    	P.S. Denny Savard is a GOON

    re .40:  (Saw):
    
    Where did you get those great seats and where's my bleepin' check?
    
    :^)
    
    Mark.
    

>    
>    Where did you get those great seats and where's my bleepin' check?
>    


Hey, I had to wait to get yesterday's check before I could mail yours
off.  (The windshield place wanted a check for the new windshield so
I had to wait....)

It should be going out at noon today, if the postman realizes that
the flag up on the box means to take a letter from inside.

Now, to the other deal:

	

	Hear Ye, Hear Ye, All Ye Sports Noters!

	Be it known by all those present that the most excellent
	and wonderful seats that the Chainsaw had at the Gahden
	the other night were offered and purchased by Chainsaw
	from none other than Marky Mark Lufay, formerly of the
	PCBU, but now of the Funky Bunch!

	Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....



'Saw

    Do me.

Well, the bastards in Hartford blacked out the game -- as if that would
entice any Whalers fans to go to the game.

So, I listened to it on WTIC.  It was almost a sellout they said, which
made me even madder about the blackout.

At any rate, Chuck Caton, the Whalers play by play man is one of the
best around, I think, and I could almost visualize what was happening.

It was a goof all told, because the Icehouse sounded like the Gahden,
with shouts of Moog, Moog, and the big cheers for the Broons three goals....


'Saw

    	Hey 'Saw, you won't have to worry about Hafaahd' blacking out
    any playoff games.
    
    				/Don

At least ESPN has the NHLgames now so we don't get stuck with
the bleepin Adams division every freakin night like we did with SC>

The Crazy Met

    Well Craze,
    Besides the 'Goons, the Patrick Div pales in comp to the Adams.
    I'll take Montreal,Boston, Quebec, Buffalo, and yes, even
    Hartford,(minus Ottawa of course) over the Caps, DEVILS, Rangers,
    Islanders, and Flyers this year. Minus Pitt, the hokey in the Adams
    is generally better than the Patrick.
    
    JMHO
    MikeL
    

	Hmm this "my division is better than your division" tripe sounds
	kinda familiar.

	What's next MikeL...ADAMSMikeL???


	billl

    -1, Perish the thought.
    
    Adams division teams have gotten a deserverd rep the last few
    for
    mediocre boring hokey, all true. Pendulum is swinging back. Jest
    respondin'
    to Craze's assumed contention that Adams div hokey on TV is still
    "poor" quality.
    
    MikeL
    

>              -< 'Dey play MAINLY hokey in the Adams Division... >-


Eh, you are right dere, Slash......
    

    The Adams is a woosey division, eh.  No real Canadian tems in it, eh,
    only
    them Frenchy teams.    Now da Patrick is mainly, but out in da West,
    where real Canadian teams skate, now that is real hockey, eh.
    
    JD

    Ha
    Cherry is quite a scream. He don't like the Euro style does he.
    Or for that matter, he never liked the "francais-canadian" player in
    year's past. Has he changed that tune?
    
    He musta had his Ulf slam of the week, no? He HATES Samuelsson.
    
    MikeL
    

    JD, last time I checked (no pun intended), Ottawa was in Ontario.
    
    HTH,
    
    Mark.

�At least ESPN has the NHLgames now so we don't get stuck with
�the bleepin Adams division every freakin night like we did with SC>
    
    So move or buy a dish.

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>>>>>>    So move or buy a dish.
    
    
    Whoa BigMac,
    Swarm_a_bees git undr yo' kilt on the clothesline lasted night?
    
    8^)
    MikeL
            

    re: .71
    
    Now, now there leave poor Mac alone. He has been away from this
    notesfile for a while and clearly is just getting over withdrawl
    symptoms.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    What a goaltenders clinic!  Definitely had the horseshoe placed
    accordingly.  Poulin didn't piss off the Sabres too much this weekend
    did he?  He was all over 'em and Buffalo couldn't take it.
    
    					Steve  

It's very rare that I will sit in my living room and actually yell at the
TV.   Well, this weekend it's a good thing I don't have neighbors, because
I was yelling "Moog" constantly yesterday.


Up until yesterday the finest exhibition of goaltending I had ever seen
was Ken Dryden in a Stanley Cup finals game against Chicago, when I was
in 7th grade.

Andy Moog eclipsed that yesterday, plain and simple.


Bruins are playing very well these days....



'Saw

	The B's control where they finish in the Adams division. They are
currently 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. I would say they
have to split the home and home with Quebec and beat Montreal to finish
in first place. The B's have an easier schedule then Montreal and Quebec.
They finish the season with a home and home against Ottawa.
	It should come down to a B's and Pen's conference championship
series again. Both team's are on a roll right now, the Pen's havn't lost
in the last 14 games. The B's only loss was to the Pen's in the last 10.
The B's will need MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGG, to play like he did yesterday
against Buffalo to get to the cup finals.

/Ron

    Moog won player of the week honors.

>    Moog won player of the week honors.


	Last Saturday and Sunday, God came to earth and donned
	a Boston Bruins uniform.  It happened to be #35 and
	have the name Moog on the back......


8^)


'Saw

    Correction, Mac...Moog was named NHL Player of the *Month*.
    
    Slasher, where are your seats?  I'm in Thursday against the 'Diques and
    the first 2 home playoff games.
    
    Mark.

    	Hey Mark, I'm through for the regular season.  Still waiting
    to hear where I am in the playoff rotation.  I'm in Section E, 
    Row E, seats 11,12.  The seats are right under the small side
    scoreboard next to the gool DaBroons� defend in the 1st and 3rd
    periods.  If I get either one of the first two playoff games I'll
    let you know and we can get together (and you can buy me beers 'till
    I pass out).
    
    				/Don

    I sit corrected in my note about Moog being player of the Month.  Silly
    me for assuming Craig Mustard was correct in his AM sports report
    yesterday.  After all, it's not as if WEEI is an all-sports station or
    anything like that.
    
    Slasher, if I only hafta buy you beers until you pass out, I should
    only be out about 2 bits.  :^o.
    
    Mark.

Well, Andy Moog was stellar last night against the Queebs.  He kept the
Broons in it early, and was superb.....


'Saw

�    I sit corrected in my note about Moog being player of the Month.  Silly
�    me for assuming Craig Mustard was correct in his AM sports report
�    yesterday.  After all, it's not as if WEEI is an all-sports station or
�    anything like that.
    
    Apology accepted.  Sounds like you need to start listening to Tank on
    WBCN to get accurate info, Mark.

I will say this much for the Queebs.  Scott Young looked like a house
on fire last night.   As Derek said "I cannot understand why the Whalers
ever traded him -- he's a good solid forward".....   


Andy MOOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


'Saw
    

	Who do the Broons play Thursday?  A friend just called me and asked
	me if I wanted to go and I forgot to ask who they were playing.

	I know it's not the Pens, but I wonder if I should wear my Pens jersey.
	Nah better not.


	billl

>	Who do the Broons play Thursday?  A friend just called me and asked
>	me if I wanted to go and I forgot to ask who they were playing.
>
>	I know it's not the Pens, but I wonder if I should wear my Pens jersey.
>	Nah better not.


It's the second half of their home and home versus the Queebs.....

    Yo Counterfoot billl  8^),
    
    Ya gots two tickets to the Broons-Queebs on Thursday? Who are ya
    takin'??  Dick Radatz??
    
    BTW, if the 'Goons do the mainly thing like they's supposed to and beat
    up on les Habitants from Montreal tonight in the Igloo, then you 
    should wear the 'Goons colors(stolen from the B's of course). You'll
    get  a few cheers. If the 'Goons lose tho.....
    
    8^)
    MikeL
     

	Actually my old friend Willie Stargell is in town and is goin'
	wit me.  He is pretty big, though, I hope we don't get /er's
	broken seat.


	billl

    	Denny, Chap and I are heading up to Montr�al tomorrow to see
    the Broons� get a stranglehold on first in the Adams Saturday night.
    Unfortunately we let Denny make the reservations so we'll be staying
    at some $60.00 a night fleabag called the Chateau Napoleon.  But
    it's supposed to be near Saint Catherine Street.  I haven't been
    to Montr�al in almost 20 years, any suggestions on restaurants or
    adult entertainment establishments?
    
    				/Don

    Sounds like billl will be in for a treat tonight.  During the
    intermissions, former Bruins' greats like Orr, and Hodge will be taking
    shots at Bob Lobel for charity.  Lobel is going to don the pads and try
    to keep the oldtimers from scoring.  BayBank will donate a grand to a
    local charity for each puck that gets buy Lobel.

>    it's supposed to be near Saint Catherine Street.  I haven't been
>    to Montr�al in almost 20 years, any suggestions on restaurants or
>    adult entertainment establishments?
    

Well, if you weren't staying in a fleabag place, I'd tell you to ask
the doorman, or the bell captain.  Whenever I travel to a new place,
I usually do that, and for the most part, I've always made out fairly
well, 'specially if you lay a couple o' bucks on them.....


I can see Slasher now:

		"Ey, dere, I'm lookin' for a place to go after de
		 hokey game, ey."



'Saw

    	Hey Monsieur 'Saw they parle fran�ais en Montr�al.  DaBroons�
    did the same thing last year with Lobel, but only Bobby shot pucks
    at him.  Funniest thing was when Orr hit Lobel in the twisticles.
    
    				/Don

>    	Hey Monsieur 'Saw they parle fran�ais en Montr�al.  DaBroons�
>    did the same thing last year with Lobel, but only Bobby shot pucks
>    at him.  Funniest thing was when Orr hit Lobel in the twisticles.
    


Right, but what I wrote was what the frenchies sound like when they
talk english -- sort of......


'Saw

    Lotta hat tricks last night!  Turned on the game when Bourque scored
    and saw the hats raining down on the ice.  Nice job, Ray!
    
    Saturday could clinch first I think.  I'd guess Quebec was glad to get
    out of town after that fiasco.  They tried every cheap shot outside of
    punching Brent Hughes in the twisticles.
    
    					Steve

Last night was Baybank hat night.

After Smolinski scored his first NHL goal (a pretty one by the way), the
fans tossed the hats.   Long time cleaning them up.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game last night.  Once Frazer finally figured out
that he couldn't make the Bruins lose by calling all the penalties on 
them, he started calling the Queebs for all the stuff they were pulling.

By the time they were 12 minutes into the 3rd, the Queebs had given up
and were just taking stupid penalties.


Bruins are playing strong, team-oriented hockey with a lot of depth.
The new kids up from Providence (well, McKim had been up before) are
playing REALLY well also.....

'Saw

	My second favorite hokey team played real well last night.  Well at 
	least they did for the first and last period.  The second period they
	looked flat.  McKim was the most impressive.  Wow is that guy fast!

	Hexsieve(tm) was atrocous!  There were at least three fights that
	happened for (what seemed to be) no apparent reason.  I mean there 
	was no hard check, slap up side the head or anything like that
	triggering them.  Hough (I think) put a major league hurt on one
	of the Nordiques.  That guy's nose was spead all over his face.

	The most disappointing of the Broons was Wesley.  The guy looked
	like he wanted to be anywhere but at the Gahden last night.

	This being my first non-Penguin game at the Gahden it was nice to be 
	able to cheer for the home team.  Great seats too, eight rows off
	the ice.

	The exhibition between the first and second period with Lobel was
	entertaining.  Looked kinda goofy though what with Lobel in a Broons
	uniform and the "old" timers in white and green BayBank uniforms.


	billl

    Say billl,
    How did Willie like the game? Could he fit in Slash' seat?
    
    And Slash is probably on his way to Montreal today probably, boning
    up on his francais in the car. I tol' him that when he gets to the
    Chalet Napoleon, he order the House Special; the Elba. One nip and
    they tuck you away for the night.
    
    I cain see the Slash tonight wiling away in some Rue de St Catherine
    er, "entertainment center".  Some of his learnings from his francais
    study should come in handy.
    
    "Pardonez moi Fifi, mais voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir?"
    
    "Puis je auvoir dix billets pour ces dix dollars?"
    
    And during his obligatory pit stop,
    
    "Oh!! Desole! J'ecrase tes chaussures!"
    
    Ah yes, Saturday morning should be a doozy for da Slash,
    
    "Oh.... j'ai terriblement mal a la tete"
    
    "Vends tu de l'aspirine double force?"
    
    
    Oh yea, Sundin is a_Ulf in development(grrrr)
    
    8^)
    MikeL
     

>
>	My second favorite hokey team played real well last night.  Well at 
>	least they did for the first and last period.  The second period they
>	looked flat.  McKim was the most impressive.  Wow is that guy fast!

I thought they were really goodin the second, heh heh heh...


>	Hexsieve(tm) was atrocous!  There were at least three fights that
>	happened for (what seemed to be) no apparent reason.  I mean there 
>	was no hard check, slap up side the head or anything like that
>	triggering them.  Hough (I think) put a major league hurt on one
>	of the Nordiques.  That guy's nose was spead all over his face.

Brent Hughes.  Didn't get to see much of it on TV, except for Simon
getting the third man in.  I'm pretty sure that Hughes got the instigator
because he was retaliating and Frazer saw him retaliate.  That would
be in keeping with the way Frazer called the game.   

Frazer is one of those refs that doesn't like the Bruins, because he's
always calling sh*t on them....


>	The exhibition between the first and second period with Lobel was
>	entertaining.  Looked kinda goofy though what with Lobel in a Broons
>	uniform and the "old" timers in white and green BayBank uniforms.

It was weird to see Cheevers with a regular stick and skates, and no pads.


You know what's scary?  I cut my hockey teeth on Bobby Orr, Hodge, Cheevers,
Pie McKenzie.... Now they're all Old Timers......


'Saw

    What's even more scary is da fact that I cut my kockey teef( ironic,
    huh hockey teef), on guys like Bucyk, Don McKenny, Leo Boivon,
    Jerry Toppazini, Ted Green, Tommy Williams and like a few years
    BEFORE  ORR arrived. Boy, the B's sipped then. 
    Lee probably cut his teef on Lord stanley himself.
    
    Now Brent Hughes got 2 minute instigator, 5 fighting and gamer for
    crushing Owen Nolan's nose with a quick first right. Hughes is lucky
    he caught Nolan with that punch. Nolan's a tough guy and woulda
    dusted him. Stay tuned on this one.......
    
    BTW Dave Shaw got Dave Huffman with a good clean shoulder check.
    Had Hoffman seeing stars for a few.  Unlike Kamensky I believe, who
    tried to pitchfork Don Sweeney in true European-style roughhousing.
    
    MikeL
    

    That was a beauty of a check by Shaw.  Had him reaching for the head
    before he even hit the ice!
    
    I remember the first game I went to in '62.  B's/Canadiens.  Benches
    emptied with Ted Green and John Ferguson the main combatants.  The old
    man had me up on his shoulders.  I was hooked immediately.  Actually I
    went to a LOT of games in my early years.  Saw The Gump break his leg 
    in a pileup in front of the net.  Saw Johnny Bower take a Buczyk wrist
    shot to the forehead, before masks were fashionable.  Blood shot out to
    the corner faceoff circle.  He returned after getting stitched of
    course.
    
    Tommy Williams was my favorite and I was fortunate enough to become
    friends with him as he used to hang out at PJ's in Hudson, before
    passing away.
    
    My most memorable evening was when I believe Orr was a rookie. 
    Some dope from Toronto caught him in the schnozz with his stick and
    sent the kid spawling.  His face was a mess.  After he got up, he broke
    away from the trainers and chased the guy all the way around the rink 
    before he proceeded to throw a serious  beatin' on the guy.
    
    Yup, those were the days when men were men, and Ulfies didn't exist.
    
    					Steve
    

    Steve,
    Was that the Brian Conacher fight in '66?  Orr done kilt him. Orr was
    no shrinking violet as you remember. I recall one game in his 2nd or
    3rd year where he pasted MrHockey Gordie Howe agoin the boards and
    dug an elbow to the chops for good measure. And that against probably
    the toughest, most respected (by his peers) player ever to play the
    game. Seen Orr give Beliveua some godd pastes also.
    Ah, back when hockey was hockey and refs needed blood/injury for a
    penalty.
    
    Mike
    

>    3rd year where he pasted MrHockey Gordie Howe agoin the boards and
>    dug an elbow to the chops for good measure. And that against probably
>    the toughest, most respected (by his peers) player ever to play the
>    game. Seen Orr give Beliveua some godd pastes also.
>    Ah, back when hockey was hockey and refs needed blood/injury for a
>    penalty.
    
I've met Gordie Howe and talked with him several times, as he used to
live in my home town.

Most of the hockey players whom I've met who played AGAINST Howe respected
his abilities, but to a man they say that Gordie had the meanest, and
sneakiest elbows in the league -- oh yeah, they were invisible to the
refs too 8^)


Thanks for mentioning some of the older stars names, Steve.  John Fergusen
brings back some memories.


I would have like to have seen that blood shoot out like that.  That's
definitely a manly thing to have happen!


'Saw    

    Ya, Conacher definitely rings a bell, Mike.  You're right, Orr was no
    Lady Bing candidate.  The only times I remember him takin' a wuppin'
    though, were when he was trying to pay back Pat Quinn.  As you remember 
    Pat caught him asleep at the wheel, and Paddy was a big boy.
    
    					Steve
    
     
    
    					

    
    ...RE: 102, 103 & 105! What memories! I was at that game when Orr did
    his dance on Conacher's puss, that was my first game as well, and 
    attended many more with my dad afterward.
    
    (I remember when the city of Boston wanted Quinns haid on a platter)
    
    ...Mel

    How many times did Orr fight Keith Magnuson?  It seemed everytime
    Boston played Chicago, they would go at it.
    
    I don't go as far back as some of you guys, but I started watching
    during the 1969-1970 Cup season.  During the 70's, going to Madison
    Square Garden was always an event for Boston.  Anyone else remember
    Derek Sanderson being pulled out of the penalty box by the fans and the
    ensuing riot that erupted?  How 'bout the rubber chicken?  And Maki
    doming Teddy Green with his stick?
    
    Mark.

Mark, 

You bring back some memories with some of those names, I'll tell ya.

They had a little feature on the "goal that wasn't a goal" in the 1970
season last night on the game.   The thing that got me (and it took me
a few seconds to figure this out) was NO ADVERTISING on the boards!


Bruins looked like they suffered a letdown last night, but they still
won.  Then if you look at the players they had out there, it's understandable.

Adam Oates has just totally delighted this season.  Don Sweeney is definitely
7th player material, and I'm hoping Joe Juneau can get his 100th point.

Weimer looked WICKED slow out there.....


'Saw

Great game by the Bruins last night.

Joe Juneau tied Peter Stastny's rookie assist record, broke Kevin Steven's
rookie point record for LW's, and ended up with 102 points on the season.
Not a bad rookie year at all.


Derek and Fred projected Cam Neely's goal total if he'd played all year,
and it came out at around 71 goals.  Even considering a slump or two
it would have been a damn fine year.

Moog was stellar, Blue looked solid.   


Anyone hear about Poulin's hand?


'Saw

    Just had a coupla bd visions accompanied by the thene from "jaws"
    
    
    A_anonymous phone call was just made to the Boston Symphony
    Orchestra....
    They's searching for a flaxen-haired rotund femme fatale that sometimes
    goes by the handle "Brunhilde"... In the distance, faint throat
    clearing
    and "mi mi mi mi" can be heard....
    
    
    A coupla members of the Boston Garden Bull Gang were seen furtively
    rolling in a giant rotisserie spit into a room in the bowels of the
    Gahden.... another was carrying charcoal... A stuffed dummy of Brian
    Sutter wrapped in a giant "B" wrap was on the spit......Someone is
    being told to look for a giant fork....
    
    
    
    Whew, time to lay off the Mike Milbury chocolate shakes.
    Somebody wake me up.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    >> <<< Note 98.111 by CTHQ::LEARY "UNC:AnomalyOnHorizon;CHAMPEENSHIP" >>>
    >>               -< I hear Elton's 'Requiem for a friend" >-
    
    Minor Nit, It's "Funeral for a Friend" by Elton John.
    
    JaKe
    

    The heck with reality, JaKe; requiem evokes images that are much more
    appropriate; you need to get into a more apocalyptic state of mind to
    make sense of what I am sure the Boston papers will look like in the
    morning.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    ps re: MikeL - the Metropolitan Opera in NY is doing the full Ring cycle
    this week and next. I had tickets for next week and unfortunately won't 
    be able to make it - talk about bummed out. A friend and I have wanted to 
    see the Ring done properly (all in a week) for about a decade. The Met had
    planned to do it in the early 1980's but the orchestra went on strike.
    They finally did it last year, but it was inconvenient. Finally this
    year was a go, and ....
    

    B's have lost the first two games of a playoff series 27 times. 
    They've lost each of the 27 series.
    
    Fuhr has been standing on his head, but I don't ever recall seeing so
    many shots go wide of, or over the net (i.e., they're playing like
    crap).
    
    					Steve

Dies Irae, Dies Illa.....

(I know I misspelled that.  I wrote a Requiem Mass in college but it's
been ages since I've done anything like that).


Things don't look good for the boys from BeanTown.  I think they might
have peaked too soon.   I'm resigning myself to the fact that we might
be saying "Wait till next year"

I don't want to second guess Sutter, but Andy Moog has NOT looked all
that sharp.  Might he have waited too long to switch to Blue?


Finally, I'd resort to an age old hockey tactic.  I'd send a goon
after Mogilny.  Hurt him, hurt him bad, and send a message.   That might
just upset the apple cart.


I'm predicting Buffalo 4 games to 1 now.....


'Saw

	Damn, if this keeps up I won't get to see da Pens at da Gahden
	again this year.


	billl

The really bad news for the Brronz is that they won't be able to 
get those tee times next week since Harfaa had em reserved way 
back in December....

daryll

Stat from WHDH last night:Bruins have never come back to win a series where they
were down 2-0. 

Anyone know of teams that came back from losing the first 2 games at home??

The Crazy Met

ps there might be some comfort in the fact that the way the Pens are playing
it won't make much difference who wins the Adams Division playoffs.

    
    
    >Anyone know of teams that came back from losing the first 2 games at
    home??
      
       Not to sure but the '86 mutts come to mind.
       I wonder why????
    
    Jerry

re:.120

I just love snide remarks. See I was asking about hockey. I know that in
baseball the 1985 Royals and 1986 Mets did it.

The Crazy Met

    >> ps there might be some comfort in the fact that the way the 
    >> Pens are playing it won't make much difference who wins the 
    >> Adams Division playoffs.
    
       Spoken like a true Rangers fan.

mind you I hope I am wrong.

The Crazy Met

	Outhit, outhustled, outcoached, and out to lunch.  If Rick Bowness 
had been the coach Harry would've fired him in between the 2nd and 3rd 
periods.  No excuse for not coming out and playing with some passion in the 
first two games of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.  Broons� should get whatever 
they can for Glen (BerniceWannaBe) Wesley, even if it's just two retreads 
for the zamboni!  Hard to believe it's the same team that took the ice 
against the Habs a week ago Saturday.  I got tickets for home game H and am 
willing to let them go for cost.  Anybody interested?

				/Don

>    What is there left for Sutter to do?  Short of lacing 'em up and
>    playing...  


Goon it up and welcome Mogilny to the NHL.  Lay a beatin' on him.

I'd pay to see him get a bloody nose....8^)


'Saw

    	Karen, Rick Bowness got fired for losing to a far superior
    Pengoons� team with a far inferior Broons� team last year.  No excuses
    for Sutter either.
    
    				/Don

    
    Actually BoneHead got the boot because Harry caught him jawing with
    the Senators Brass, behind Herr Sinden's back. Opps, to late and old
    Ricky boy was outta town faster than Slick Will can backpeddle.
    
    
    -TH 

For years the Bruins have made valiant runs to win their division and then
proceeding to fail in the playoffs against teams both more and less talented
then they are.

Why would anybody expect this year to be any different?

They've never put together the dominant team in hockey since #4 was around. Each
year they put a product on the ice hoping that somehow it will find a way to win
when there is always a team assembled from scratch that has a huge talent
advantage over them (from the front office through the players).

They'll never win anything unless they commit to putting together the best team
instead of the 2nd or 3rd best and hoping for a miracle.

And they'll raise another faux banner into the garden rafters and declare the
season an incredible success.

Bah-humbug...

Hockey isn't a major sport anyways so what are you all getting worked up for?


Metz

>They'll never win anything unless they commit to putting together the best team
>instead of the 2nd or 3rd best and hoping for a miracle.

It'd be kind of tough to put together a better team than Pittsburgh has
now.   I think the Bruins have a lot of talent.

Moog is off, Fuhr is hot, and Sutter waited too long to go to Blue.
Yes, they lost game one, but did not play that badly.   Game 2 they played
like doo-doo, but again, Fuhr stole that game.



>Hockey isn't a major sport anyways so what are you all getting worked up for?

Doesn't have to be a major sport for someone to enjoy it.   I like Nascar
racing, and that ain't a major sport either -- but it beats basketball
hands down 8^)

'Saw

�Hockey isn't a major sport anyways so what are you all getting worked up for?

	Blasphemy Metz!  I put the Gallery Gods curse on you!  May the 
spirit of Pie McKenzie crosscheck you and elbow you in the face for good 
measure!  May your skates always be dull and your life resemble a series of 
game misconducts!  For shame!

�And they'll raise another faux banner into the garden rafters and declare the
�season an incredible success.

	Sadly I must concur.  I love my Broons� and it's a source of 
constant embarrassment to see such a blatant and public display of "banner 
envy".  Harry should come to the realization that the Celtics have more.

				/Don

>	Sadly I must concur.  I love my Broons� and it's a source of 
> constant embarrassment to see such a blatant and public display of "banner 
> envy".  Harry should come to the realization that the Celtics have more.
    
    At least the Red Sox have class.  Not a banner in the place 'ceptin the
    star-spangled one and the occasional tablecloth that Lou Gorman flies 
    out of the owner's box.  The Sox could really make a show of being the
    dominant team of the 1910s if they wanted to...  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

Yeah, it gets to me too.

But it won't stop me from being a fan.

I'd *prefer* just to see the 5 Stanley Cup banners, and the retired
numbers.   But it ain't the players fault....

Oh well.....


'Saw

    Didn't NorthStars or somebody come back from 3-0?  WEEI at lunch had
    90% callers saying "stick with Moog".
    
    As for regular season
    
    I grew up with the old 6 team league with the Montreal having first two
    French-Canadiens in each draft and actually saw Milt Schmidt play (as
    well as Sam Jethroe at Braves field just to confirm my ancientness and
    it was totally night and day between season and cup - Bruins came from
    4th  to challenge one year.
    
    Bookies (from another life) told me that there was no such thing as a
    regular season hockey bet.
    
    I really think someone should ask the players about all this gut
    wrenching striving for home ice, home court - my view of their attitude
    is Orlando-Celtics exhibition last night or a quote from a Sabres
    player which went something like this
    
    (")During the regular season we had to [apportion] points and goals
    [according to (contracts) star status] and once that was over we could
    begin to play as a team.(")
    
    But don't get me wrong - the Canadien Hockey players take the Stanley
    Cup very very seriously (far more so than (my observation) on the
    attitude (are you listening Jose) of American baseball players to the
    "World" Series.
    
    And... I had so many Willie Mays rookie cards I was tossing them...
    Always looking for the Ted card which I later learned was non-existent
    (just to explain the monikor - over the hill)
    
    Bill

    The singer that MikeL discussed in an earlier reply is now gettting to
    the end of her final aria. The coup-de-grace, the final high A is
    mere minutes away.
    
    
    re: .134
    
    2 teams have come back in the NHL from 3-0 deficits. Toronto in a
    Finals 4 decades ago. The Islanders against Pittsburgh in the 
    1970's. That year the d**n Islanders were down in the next series 3-0
    to the Flyers and tied the series at 3-3; Flyers then won game 7.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Not so fast TCM, they're in OT right now, ain't they???
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Nope JaKe, I posted after Buffalo scored to win 4-3 in OT.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Well, here's one pretty pissed off fan that Sutter went with Blue
    instead of Moog.  You're backs are against the wall, you go with your
    best.  Goaltending was the difference, and has been the difference,
    throughout the series.  Fuhr has been sensational.  He made some great
    saves, but none better than the 3 in succession immediately following
    Neely's goal with a couple minutes left.  Oates, Douris and someone
    else all took wacks at the rubber and Fuhr came up big.
    
    So now what's he gonna do?  Go with Moog?  I'll bet he comes back with
    Blue.  To go with Moog now, would admit to making a mistake.
    
    					Steve

I don't think Blue has played badly, and Mogilny CERTAINLY had Moog's
number.

At any rate, there's a lot of truth in what Derek was saying about the
bounces.  Not one bounce has gone the Bruins way..  That's not an excuse,
just a fact.

Plus, the fact that Fuhr has reached criticial mass and is so hot he
might melt down.   (Wasn't Neely's goal a beauty though?)


No, while I'd be the happiest guy in the world if the Bruins stormed back
to win four straight, I just don't see it.  In fact, I don't think the
Bruins will win on Saturday either.


At this point, I don't see anyone stopping the PenGoons.  At least Ron
Francis will get another ring....


'Saw


PS  My opinion is that the Bruins peaked too soon, put too much into
    the stretch drive, and have nothing left.  Kind of like a marathoner
    who runs a little too hard a little too soon....

Oh yeah, there's another thing I want to say.

For years I watched the Whalers, basically due to geographic loyalties
and stuff like that.   For years I saw them make the playoffs (mainly
due to a doormat of a Quebec franchise).   For years I saw them lose.

Everyone knows when the Whalers treated Ron Francis like dogshit, I said
"F___ you" to the Whalers, and I'm glad I did.

So, here's my point.



I hear a lot of Bruins fans complaining about their talent.  Well, let me
tell you, the Bruins have A LOT of talent.   Folks complain about Don
Sweeney.  Well, Don Sweeney has a lot of guts, and a lot of grit and
determination.  He'll hit ANYBODY, bigger, smaller, whatever.   The
Hartford Whalers would give their left nut for a Don Sweeney.

Folks complain about Glenn Wesley.  I don't see why.  He's better than
most of the defenesemen I've seen around the league.

Ray Bourque is God(tm), but he makes some mistakes once in a while.
Big Deal.  Every other team in the league would LOVE to have Ray Bourque
on their team -- mistakes and all.

I think that the other teams in the NHL would be hard pressed to come
up with defensive pairings as good as Bouque-Roberts, Shaw-Sweeney,
Wesley-Richer.   I know the Whalers surely can't.

Personally, I don't think the Bruins are that far from the Cup.

JMHO,
'Saw

Blue played ok in goal; certainly at least as well as Moog had been
playing.

Heck of a night in Beantown. One team down 3-0 in the playoffs, another
no-hit. Celtics must feel lucky that they were not playing last night :-)

The Crazy Met

	Heard on WEEI this morning that Harry Sinden is happy with the play 
of the Broons�.  This has me scared.  Last year he was unhappy when the 
team overachieved and reached the Wales Conference Finals.  He subsequently 
fired the coach and raised our ticket prices by $3.00.  If he's happy with 
the current underachievement this means that Sutter is safe and our tickets  
will probably increase by $5.000-$6.00.  And 'Saw you can have Wesley.  The 
guy couldn't take the puck away from someone if'n he had a .44 Magnum 
instead of a stick!  I hope they go down Saturday so my fellow consortium 
member can get an extra $86.00 from Happy Harry Sinden.

				/Don

>instead of a stick!  I hope they go down Saturday so my fellow consortium 
>member can get an extra $86.00 from Happy Harry Sinden.

They will.

I hope they do so that they don't tease us any more.....

Course, if they'd have roughed up Mogilny two games ago, and ran Fuhr
a few times, things might be different 8^)


'Saw

    
    When I posted my visions of doom and gloom for the Broons after game
    2, I still felt that this team coulds pull it out and beat Buffalo.
    Last night was a killer. The Sabres have done just enough to beat
    the Broons and that's all that counts.
    
    It all comes down to that old cliche " Whoever wants it more". The
    Sabres are hungrier than the Broons. They are getting the breaks
    because in general, they are forcing the play and making their own
    breaks. That, in combinbation to Fuhr's solid goaltending, which BTW
    is not Drydenesque, has led to the 3-0. 
    The Sabres are doing three key things to defeat Boston IMO.
       1. Forechecking quicly on the Broons defensemem hiting them
    constantly, making them force the errant pass.
       2. Backchecking ferociously, lining 4 guys up at the blue line
         and clogging up the B's offense. 
       3. Playing real smart hockey and provoking the B's into playing
          the special team derby, 4 on 4's, PP's etc. Buffalo has better
          speed and skill in the open ice and it has shown.
    
    In general, the war horses of Buffalo are far outplaying the warhorses
    of the Broons and dat's the diff. The Bob Seeney's , Dave Hannan's,
    Randy Woods, Doug Bodger, Kryshov and Smelek have come through in
    flying colors. The Poulins, Heinze's, Roberts, Donatos, Kvartonovs
    Leaches, have not. 
    
    The only skill players, outside the goalies, that have really impressed
    are Neely and Mogilny.
    
    But alas, even if the Broons go down to ignominious defeat, they still
    have ac relatively younf team abd will get better as long as we find a
    sucker that will take Wesley.
    
    Anyhoo, here's ma report card.
    
    Goalies
    
    Moog. B-
    Had some key saves, but has not stood on his haid like Fuhr.
    I disagree with the move to take him out after the third goal in Game 2
    and start Blue in Game 3. What did Sutter say that Moog was fighting
    the puck in Game 2?  well if he made that decision soloely on these
    three goals, then I'm Ish Kabibble. Hail, Presley makes a poifect
    shot shorthanded ( coming in after taking away from All-Star Ray
    Bourque). Wood tips one in UNMOLESTED to Moog's right ( whar was
    All-Star dcefensemen Ray Bourque?) and the Mogilny scores on
    a breakaway ( splitting All-Star Ray Bourque and Sweeney). Right Brian!
    
    Blue B
    Come up with some big saves when the Beroons were down 2-0 last night.
    Looked weak on Bob Sweeney's goal ( Don Sweeney back on the 2 on 1,
    whar was All Star defenseman Ray Bourque?). And looked like Shamu
    the killer whale on the OT goal. Good place to try and make a save,
    on yo' stomach!
    
    Bourque C.
    Looks tired, making mental mistakes, errant passes. His miscues gave
    Buffalo their third and fourth goal last night. I expected much more
    fropm him.
    
    Don Sweeney A
    Best player on the ice by far for thje Broons. The little buzzard's got
    bollocks.
    
    Gord Roberts C-
    Below average. Looks slow, takes dumb penalties, makes lousy passes
    outta the zone.
    
    Glen Wesley F
    Hasn't done a damn thing. Running around like Foghorn Leghorn wif
    his haid cut off. Book on hiom mis, take a run at him and he coughs
    the puck up. Book's rat on.
    
    Dave Shaw C
    Cannon fodder
    
    Stephane Richer C
    Young and it shows. He'll get better
    
    Cam Neely B+
    When your best forward by far is slowed down to a crawl but still
    performs, you'r in trouble.
    
    Adam Oates  D
    Just because we traded Craig Janney for him, doesn;t mean he has to
    play like him. Totaly disappeared. See Hannan, Dave.
    
    Joe Juneau  C
    Making bad passes, looks unsure of himself. Love his talent tho.
    He'll improve.
    
    Dave Poulin C+
    Still hustles and can be a force. Losing too many faceoffs. Not
    consistent. Lafontaine beats him on the draw in OT. Goal Buffalo
    
    Steve Heinze C
    Playing like a third liner. Can't put the puck min the ocean.
    
    Peter Douris C
    Playing like a third liner. Can't put the puck in the ocean.
    
    Steve Leach C
    Playing like a third liner. Can't put the puck in the ocean.
    
    Ted Donato C
    Playing like a third liner. Can't put the puck in the ocean.
    
    Someone see a pattern here? See Reid, Dave
    
    Brent Hughes Ugh
    That's all he gets, an ugh
    
    Darin Kimble Double ugh
    That's all he deserves. a double ugh
    
    Dimitri Kvartalnov  F
    Ship him back to Siberia. Looks like he's out for a nice skate with
    the Ice Follies. Back pass my a**. He belongs between Katarina Witt
    and Brian Boitano.
    
    
    MikeL
    
    Of course, all the above done wif pure objectivity
    

Mike, Mike, Mike,

You're obviously a man who has never witnessed TRULY poor play in the
playoffs (cf Hartford Whalers 1986-1992).


IMO Blue is in there for two reasons -- a) he CAN stop Mogilny, and b)
his mobility behind and around the net, and puck handling gives the
defensemen a little relief from the backchecking.

And Fuhr has been downright unconscious.  Un-human even.


I'm no hockey expert, but given the fact that the Sabres are clogging
everything up and forchecking, I'd have gone to the goon game.
Send out Kimble to run Fuhr.  Make Fuhr away that he's got to play hockey,
not just acrobatics.

And how bout someone giving old Alexander Mogilny a bloody nose?  He cain't
fight -- I don't think he knows how.

The ONLY way you can get around a team checking that tightly is to make them
pay for every single check, and make them realize that they are gonna take
a licking.  The Broons haven't done that.


At any rate, it's a moot point now....


'Saw

    	Hey MikeL, Craig Janney is having a pretty good playoff series
    for the St. Louis Blues...
    
    				/Don

    
    
    Hey, I sent Chainsaw mail before the playoffs saying the Broons
    would crash and burn early in the playoffs.  It seemed like it
    was a recurring dream - Broons hot down da stretch.  The bandwagon
    getting full, Moog playing outstanding.
    
    Perhaps they left their playoff legs in the drive to secure first
    in the Adams.   No denying Fuhr is hot.
    
    I get coverage of all the hokey games here - CBC and TSN has double
    (and
    triple) headers, plus updates (usually within 30 seconds of a score
    they break in...) and of course, the GREAT Don Cherry.
    
    Lots of HOT goalies: Joseph has been great.  Hextall has been HOT.\
    Fuhr, etc...
    
    Lasted Night, Sir Don Cherry was going on and on again about how by
    trying to cut down on fighting, the NHL is making the game worse.  Said
    everyone is skeert of getting a suspension, so they don't fight.  Of
    course, what you get is more cuts and slashes and stick work.   Ol'
    Don said it used to be that in a 7 game series, you might see ONE
    cut.  But now, every damn game.   Part of the overall Americanization
    of the game.   Feeling is that to attract a TV Audience, the NHL has
    to have high scoring games, preferential treatment of superstars, and
    disdain the physical play that is the essence of hockey.
    
    Feelings among folks out here is Americans are into the "Instant
    Gratification thing, eh" and want lots of goals.
    
    I told Chainsaw about the feelings about the "Mighty Ducks"
    
    4 games on tonight!   It's great.  I don't have to watch Pittsburgh.
    
    The Battle for Quebec has got top billing>....
    
    JD, Eh?

    da Broons loose in OT and are eliminated in four straight by the
    Sabres.
    
    They blew a 5-2 lead.  Final score 6-5.
    
    Looks like only one Black and Gold team left.  There goes my chances of
    seein' da Pens again live in da Gahden.
    
    billl

    Wow! I heard it was 5-2 on my way out and figured Bruins had this game
    won. 
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Disgusted...
    
    Could see a few new faces next year.  Wesley should be dealt.  Moog
    could be dealt.  Ruzicka should be dumped.  Poulin's a free agent and
    Harry won't lay out the kind of money he'll be looking for.  
    
    They'll probably have a few more Europeans on the team next year. 
    We'll watch 'em skate real nice and run away from any contact.  This is
    depressing...
    
    					Steve  

Yeah, I was kind of bummin' on Sunday.  I saw the game in Champions
in Springfield -- at least the babeage there made the debacle worth
while....


>    Could see a few new faces next year.  Wesley should be dealt.  Moog
>    could be dealt.  Ruzicka should be dumped.  Poulin's a free agent and
>    Harry won't lay out the kind of money he'll be looking for.  

Losing Poulin could be a big blow.  He's probably the craftiest hockey
player I've ever seen.  They should lay out the bucks to keep him.

At least Neely will be back next year.


I personally think that they put too much out in the stretch drive.  They
peaked too soon.


But it's over now.  Now is time to focus on the Red Sox, as they
begin their plunge through the standings....


'Saw    

    Don Cherry last night talked about how by being so hot down the 
    stretch, the Broons had no where to go but down - they couldn't step
    up the game another notch - while the Sabs could.    He talked about
    how he always like for his teams to coast a little the last few games.
    
    Showed a clip of him - as Broons coach - leaving the ice in the Aud at
    the end of the regular season - with the #1 finger raised and the fans
    jeering - scoreboard was Sabs 9 Broons 2.   As Don said, when the
    playoffs started, the Broons cruised, the Sabs played golf...he 
    tongue-in-cheek said that the Broons needed more European style
    players...
    
    JD

    Bruins :== Red Sox

	Doctor Kervorkian couldn't have done a better job of putting the 
Broons� out of their misery than they did themselves by blowing a 5-2 lead. 
Let's see now, the Saint Louis Blues got rid of Sutter because he was 
outcoached in the playoffs.  The Broons go down in the first round (swept), 
to an inferior Sabres team while Saint Louis sweeps past a superior, but 
another Sutter coached hokey club.  Just a coincidence?
 
				/Don

>another Sutter coached hokey club.  Just a coincidence?
 
No.

I still think it was like a marathon runner burning up a little too
quickly.

The Bruins were playing at 100% through the final weeks of the season,
blasting past the front runners.  The old saying "Save some for the
playoffs" never entered their minds.   

It's like they started a 400 meter long "kick" with 500 meters left
in the race....8^)


'Saw

�The Bruins were playing at 100% through the final weeks of the season,
�blasting past the front runners.  The old saying "Save some for the
�playoffs" never entered their minds.   

	So the coach has to bear some of the blame for this just as a 
jockey would for going to the whip too soon.  Muckler instead of ranting 
and raving and sending guys up and down the NHL/AHL ladder stood fast and 
said the regular season swoon would mean nothing when they dropped the puck 
for real (playoffs).  Turns out he was right.  It's not the first time a 
Sutter coached team played in a fog during the "real season".

				/Don

 Wasn't the streak accomplished against "lesser" teams? Anyone who was in
 Hartford that saturday night for that OT yawner against GoWhale shouldn't
 be too surprised by this outcome....

 mike

But Don...

 They needed to win the division in order to hang another Faux banner in the
Gaaaaden. 

Typical Bruins..the drive for the division superceeds to drive for the cup.
How come no other team in hokey has a problem seeing the regular season for
what it is? Only the Bruins continue to think that the regular season means
a thing....

Metz

The Boston media also does not understand that the playoffs is the real
season. Some of the articles when the Broons were about 10 points out
of first were brutal.

The Crazy Met

    
    On the other hand, you have to give the Bruins credit for actually
    playing the regular season games as if they count for something, and
    not just a farcical exercise in going through the motions.  The 
    average NHL ticket does cost some $30+ a pop, and the paying fan 
    should be entitled to some effort for his money.
    
    I tend to believe that most of this "peaked too soon" stuff is
    after-the-fact rationalization, unless you can point to tangible
    measures that were taken to win during the regular season that really 
    cost you something later, like skating double shifts, etc.  Were the
    Bruins guilty of any of this?  All things being equal, in any sport I
    think you'd rather being playing well going into the playoffs than not.
    It's not imperative, but so much of the analysis around streaks and 
    slumps is just pure media psycho-babble translating to "whatever just
    worked/failed is the best formula, at least for this year".
    
    glenn

>    I tend to believe that most of this "peaked too soon" stuff is
>    after-the-fact rationalization, unless you can point to tangible
>    measures that were taken to win during the regular season that really 
>    cost you something later, like skating double shifts, etc.  


No, I kind of disagree.  The first year I was with the Wanderers we had
a hellacious, skin of our teeth drive to try and win the League Championship.
We ended up second on the basis of only tying Mystic River and had to play
a wild-card game.   We worked very hard for the WC game (and those of
us on 3rd side had worse bruises than earlier in the season -- A side
was going nuts on us).  We handily beat Buffalo in Buffalo, and then
were annihilated the next week by Old Blue.

The reason?  No psychological energy left.


The Bruins worked awfully hard to catch the Queebs and the Habs.   The
run down the stretch was against mostly Adams Division opponents.  At any
rate, /Don does have a point about "energy management".   Sutter could
have pulled the reins in just a bit instead of letting them go all out.

The final two games against Ottawa saw a lot of the air go out of the
balloon.   Personally, I think they "peaked" the night they beat the
Habs in Montreal, and then slid down hill from there....


JMHO,
'Saw

    
    If Sutter allowed the boys to get beat up down the stretch, then that's
    a tangible factor heading into the playoffs.  If they were simply
    winning games, I have no problem with that, and don't expect them to 
    try to lose in order to generate some kind of positive karma for later
    on.  I don't follow the Bruins closely enough to know exactly what was
    going on, but I didn't hear a lot of complaining going *into* the
    Buffalo series, from the media or others.  What I do know is that the 
    Penguins recently broke the NHL record for a winning streak, and that 
    this streak was completely meaningless, but I still expect them to win
    it all even though they're doing exactly the opposite of what they did 
    last year when they almost didn't qualify.  There's no demonstrated
    formula.
    
    I remember that in 1988 the Red Sox lost something like 9 of 10 going
    into the playoffs and got swept by the A's in four, and were accused of
    giving the players too much rest and losing their "edge".  Then in 1990
    they won the division on the last day in exciting fashion, winning all 
    the key games in the last week or so.  Result: another four-game sweep 
    at the hands of the A's.  What does it mean?  Nothing, except that not
    much of what happened before has any bearing on the playoffs, which are
    a whole new season.
    
    glenn
        

Baseball is quite a bit different than a sport that actually requires you to 
expend physical energy. :-)

Tell me that most of the NBA teams haven't been coasting for about two weeks
of more after pretty much assuring themselves of relative playoff positions.

The fact of the matter is that the Bruins consistantly to this rush for the
division championship and lose in the playoffs. Perceived or not the impression
is that management values the division title over resting players for the 
up and coming playoffs. They're happy to hang another faux banner in the
garden to keep the suckers (um fans) in their season seats for another year.

It's the same reason I think they keep trading like crazy after every season 
making meaningless changes to ensure a high profile in the papers while the
real teams are celebrating victories....

Metz

    Count me as a fan that appreciates the fact that when I pay $25-$40 for
    a regular season ticket I know I'm going to see 100% effort attending a
    Bruins game.  I think the suckers are those that pay the same price to 
    watch a team "coast" or whatever you want to call it.  The Bruins are
    the one team in town that you can almost be guaranteed will put out a 
    maximum effort night in and night out and their fans appreciate it. 
    
    The Bruins have been to the conference finals for 3 years straight
    and made it to the Cup finals 5 years ago.  Show me another team that's 
    done the same that has coasted during the regular season.  When was the
    last time Buffalo did it?  Or Montreal, or Quebec, or Hartford, or
    the Rangers, or the Islanders, or Philly, Toronto, Chicago, Minnesota
    and on and on and on...
    
    					Steve

    
> It's the same reason I think they keep trading like crazy after every season 
> making meaningless changes to ensure a high profile in the papers while the
> real teams are celebrating victories....
    
    Which when you get right down to it hasn't been that many different
    teams in the last 20 years.  To me, it's a definite problem in
    basketball and hockey that a good formula for getting to the top is
    effectively tanking it for a few years in order to gain the rights to
    the next Jordan or Lemieux.  It goes against the spirit of sport.  
    
    I don't consider ripping teams off for the likes of Neely, Oates, etc. 
    in addition to intelligent drafting (with low picks) of players like 
    Juneau as making "meaningless changes", although, yes, almost 
    paradoxically this skill in acquiring good players at minimal cost may 
    be costing the Bruins the draft rights to great players.  It's 
    questionable that this tank-it route to the championship is a skill, or
    is even totally satisfying in the big picture.  It's mostly luck, as
    far as I can see.  
    
    glenn
    

    The real nightamre scenario is Buffalo winning the Adams and the Blues
    winning their conference, leaving Pitt to play Buffalo and then St.
    Louis.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Why TCM? A great goalie can beat a great team and wasn't "Sniffles" consider
the best at one time?

mike

All I was trying to get at with the rush to the playoffs was that perhaps
the Bruins expended more energy than they had to get to the top of the
Division.

I'm not quite as down on them as Metz is over the faux banner, because
frankly, I give the fans more credit than that.  I'm not impressed
with a banner for winning the Adams Division.


All I can say for sure it what I saw:


		o A FINE season of hockey, with many exciting
	 	  and memorable moments, and two GREAT games with
		  GREAT seats at the Gahden.

		o A team that won over 50 games in the regular season.

		o A team that lost to Buffalo in four straight for
		  the following reasons:

			- Could not turn it up a notch, either because
			  they were flat out or had nothing left to give

			- Grant Fuhr stoned them solid.  From my perspective
			  a lot of the shots he stopped unconsciously were
			  goals in the last games that they'd played against
			  Buffalo in the regular season.

			- The Bruins could not "solve" Buffalo and their
			  game plan.

			- Moog lost his edge.


Bottom line, there's always next year.   I mean, I don't hear anyone
chanting 1940, 1940 about the Bruins, and they certainly haven't made
me wait as long as the Red Sox have....8^)


'Saw

    I think Metz has summed it up perfectly. Sinden consistantly puts forth
    an average team, and expects miracles come playoff time. The Sabres
    were'nt going to roll over for the B's, and when the B's had to fight
    tooth and nail for a win they could'nt so they lost. But hey there is
    alway next year. We'll see a few trades for some lunch pail types,
    little or no talent, wind em up and watch them expend energy while
    accomplishing nothing.
    
    Of all people Sinden should be the one that knows that the regular
    season means nothing, Adams division banners mean even less.
    So whats he do ? Gets the divisional banner and rolls over in the
    playoffs, BFD.
    
    As long as the Jacobs brothers own the team there will never be an
    effort to put forth to get a championship. Just keep them comming back
    year after year for the almosts, and what could have beens. A great
    Buisness plan if you ask me.
    
    HArry can shove all his Adams division banners and Whales conference 
    flags, because they don't mean squat. The Championship does and thats
    the bottom line.
    
    -TH
    

    Frnak -
    
    Perhaps not 1940, but 1972 was a long time ago, no?   21 years and
    counting.
    
    For Broons fans, last nights "Playoff Memories" during the Habs/Deeks
    game was the 1971 Stanley Cup - you know "Ken Dryden"   Thank me later.
    
    Re .171
    
    Don Cherry said the same thing.  Said the only reason the Jacobs
    brothers would be mad about da Broons losing is that they miss out on
    concessions for some more playoff games.   Siad all they are interested
    in is fielding a team that's good enough to make it through the first
    few rounds of the playoffs.   Keeps the money coming in....
    
    JD

A great goalie can beat a great team. I just don't see any of the goalies
staying hot enough to allow a mediocre team to win it all.

The Crazy Met

>    Perhaps not 1940, but 1972 was a long time ago, no?   21 years and
>    counting.

Yeah, it's been a while.....
    
'Saw

>> A great goalie can beat a great team.

	All right, I'll bite.  What meaningless data do you have to back
	up this little FACTOID??????


	billl

John Davidson beating the Islanders in the 1979 semifinals is one example.
Patrick Roy of the Canadians in 1986 was unreal.

Now the 1979 Rangers and 1986 Canadians were good teams, but would never have
gotten as far as they did without a hot goalie.

I'm sure there are other examples like this.

The Crazy Met

You must mean a great goalie with a team in front of him can beat a great team?

I mean a goalie playing by himself would have a really tough time trying to score.
The best he could probably hope for would be a tie...

Even not taken literally.....

Great teams know how to beat a team with a hot goalie. If you lose because the
opposing goalie is hot then by default you aren't a great team....


Metz

>Great teams know how to beat a team with a hot goalie. If you lose because the
>opposing goalie is hot then by default you aren't a great team....

This is not generally accepted by great hockey minds.

Most everyone who's knowlegable on the subject has said that if a goalie
gets hot he can steal a game or even a series from a superior team.
Least that's what I've always heard....

'Saw

In a short series strange things can happen and even the best of teams 
can lose. Sometimes a team goes into the tank, sometimes there is a
pitcher that gets hot, a goalie gets hot, or a basketball player
gets into a zone where he can't miss. 

The Crazy Met

>> This is not generally accepted by great hockey minds.

>> Most everyone who's knowlegable on the subject has said that if a goalie
>> gets hot he can steal a game or even a series from a superior team.
>> Least that's what I've always heard....

	'Saw, would that mean that anyone who does not perscribe to TCM's
	ludicrous theory 1) is not a "great hockey mind" or 2) is not
	"knowlegable on the subject"???

	Just trying to understand the logic, or lack there of.


	billl

	btw, by "great hockey minds" you aren't refering to anyone in SPROTS,
	I hope.

No, I'm only saying that in all of the hockey writing I've ever read,
in all of the knowledgeable color commentary (as opposed to some of the
off-the-wall color commentary) it's a generally accepted tenet that a
hot goalie can steal a game or even a series from a better team.

You can't win if you can't put the puck in the net.  If a hot goalie is
stopping everything in sight (like Moog was down the stretch, like Fuhr
did against the Bruins, like Dryden did in 1971) then you're gonna be
awfully hard pressed to score and win.


'Saw

	Thanks for the clairification, Frank.  That makes perfect sense to
	me.  What TCM was trying to pass as FACTOID didn't sound so plausible.


	billl

Bill what 'Saw said was exactly what I was saying. I guess
you lived too many years in the hicks to figure things out :-)

The Crazy Met

    
    Hot Goalies are the most feared come playoff time. They alone can
    reverse momentum in a game/series, unlike any other player on the team.
    
    Goalie's are definetly a strange lot, I could never figure out what
    goes on upstairs in a goalie head. Besides, who wants to stop rubber at
    close to 100 mph, and get trampled in the process ?
    
    Not me, I'd rather do the trampling.
    
    -TH

	Ok, TCM,  I went back and reread your statement in .173.  It does
	as you say have the same meaning as what ma main 'Saw said.  My error
	was in taking you to mean that a "great goalie" WILL (read always)beat 
	a "great team".
	
	This left no room for the possibility that the "great goalie" might 
	loose.  If that was not what you meant, I'll go against my better
	judgment and appoligize for ever thinking that you could ever come
	up with some obscure statement and attempt to pass it off as FACK. 


	billl

	p.s. Must be this clean fresh air of the country making me so agreeable
	to a city slicker.

> A great goalie can beat a great team.
                 ^^^

apology accepted.

The Crazy Met

  >                              Besides, who wants to stop rubber at
  >  close to 100 mph, and get trampled in the process ?
    
 
    What I do in the privacy of my own home is the business of me and my
    wife!!
    
    brews

-TH,

I can try to explain why a goalie wants to play goalie...

Sometimes it's that they are the youngest of the kids and that's where
they get stuck.

Other times they WANT to play goalie.

Goalies (all goalies) are a little warped, 'specially the guys who 
played wifout masks, like old Gump, Glenn Hall, the Cat, all those guys....

There is something kind of neat about being the last line of defense,
being the hero or the goat, having it all rest on your shoulders etc....

At least I think so.


'Saw

I still disagree...

If you can't beat a hot goalie then you have no business being called a 
great team. Great teams rise to the occasion and win despite the obstacles.
Good teams compile super regular season stats and fail in the playoffs.

There is no such thing as a great team that didn't win it all.

Championships are what seperates good teams from great teams. Dynasties
are great teams that continue to win championships.


Metz

    
    I have always known Goalies to be a little warped. Some where
    emotional, some quiet and reserved, some just plain crazy.
    
    I used to play net in street hockey, but was lost when I tried it on
    skates. Playing hockey is a blast, (I play as much as possable) and
    getting one past a goalie that has been unbeatable is as they say in
    Boston, Wicked pissa.
    
    One thing I have noticed about most, if not all goalies, is that they
    play hurt alot. Some goalies will have bruises up and down thier arms
    from all the rubber they have seen, or take one in a soft spot of the
    pads and drop like a sack-o-spuds. Only to get up and be ready in 30
    seconds, focused and finishing the game.
    
    A good goalie always makes his stops look easy, he can save the day for
    you only to get yanked by the coach and used a a public whipping boy
    because the D has been sandbagging it.
    
    Funny, thos e goalers are. And yes I remember Ed Giacomin, the Gumper
    and all the other greats. Take a biscuit off the dome only to be
    stiched up between periods and come out and play for the rest of the
    night. Baseball players should take a page from some of these guys book
    of playing.
    
    -TH
    

Metz its hard to agree when the definitions that are being used are
different.

Take the Yankees of the early 1960s. They won the WS in 1961 and 1962
after being upset in a bizarre series in 1960. They then won the AL pennant
in both 1963 and 1964. Good team or great team? Only twice in history
has a team won 5 pennants in a row. Does losing that 1960 series in an upset 
downgrade them to a good team from a great team??

Edmonton won 5 of 7 Stanley Cups. Would likely have been 5 in a row and 6 of 7
if not for the goal that Steve Smith of Edmonton scored against Edmonton in
game 7 of the 1986 series against Clagary - good team or great team??

The Crazy Met

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought that winning your division
    ensured a couple of homeice advantages.

    
    Also, why can't there be two great teams in a given year (or period of
    years), and none in some others?  I don't think there are any absolutes
    in this area...
    
    glenn
     

re: home ice

In hockey winning the division would give a team home ice advantage for
the first two rounds this year.

Next year that may not be the case; in
the NBA this is not the case. I believe that next year the NHL will
completely adopt the NBA playoff system.

In each conference the 2 division winners get the 1 and 2 seeds. The next
6 teams are seeded by record 3-8.

Brackets are then: #1 vs. #8, #4 vs. #5
                   #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6

In the second round it is certainly possible that the #3 seed ended the
season with a better overall record than the #2 seed but played in the
other division and came in 2nd. In this case the #3 seed would have the
home court/ice advantage in the 2nd round.

Football is the only sport where playoff matchups after the first round 
are also decided based on where the remaining teams are seeded.

The Crazy Met

That's easy to answer...

Great teams in the years that they won it and good teams when they lost.

You can have the same players on your team from 1 year to the next but each 
season is a new beginning in my book. This means that each season a different
team takes the field. Each year is different and great teams win championships.
Good teams use excuses like hot goalies, injured players, bad bounces and
blown calls.


It's very cut and dry IMO...You can't call a team great if they don't win the
whole enchilada....

Just interchange the word champion with the word great. If putting the word 
champion in place of great makes the statement a lie than ipso facto, 
abracadabra, hocus pocus...the team isn't great.

For example...the 1992 Atlanta Braves were a great team...the 1992 Atlanta
Braves were a championship team is a lie...therefore the 1992 Braves weren't
a great team....

When two hot goalies meet in the championships the team that wins is the
great team and the team that loses is the good team.


Metz

    	BigMac, home ice means precious little in hokey.  There are
    practically no home team REFS� ('cept for Les Habs years ago), and
    when you got a guy like Koharski scanning the seats for glazed donuts
    he can call just about anything ('specially if he's on a sugar high).
    Hot goalies can take a crowd out of the game as can icing the puck
    39 times in a period (Buffalo game 2).
    
    	Mr Jacobs is a popcorn and beer salesman.  He sells popcorn
    and beer at Broons� and Celtics games and as long as kernels and
    suds are being comsumed in mass quantities he's happy.  If there
    were a popcorn and beer Hall Of Fame Jacobs would be the first entry
    in it.  If the Broons� happen to win a Stanley Cup along the way
    fine (then he can raise the prices of popcorn and beer), but it's
    certainly not the main focus of his business.
    
    	Hey JD, I watched the Broons� clinch their lasted Stanley Cup
    in a bar.  When the StRangers last won their Cup my dad wasn't even
    legal drinking age.
    
    				/Don

Metz,

I guess we'll just have to disagree on what the meaning of Great is.
Personally, I feel a team can be a great team and never have won the
Championship.

Overall, the Packers under Lombardi were a great team.  They didn't
win all the Championshps they played, but they were still a great team.
And Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time, IMO.


So, according to your definition, a great team will always beat a
team with a hot goalie.

However, I still stand by my assertion that a lesser team with a hot
goalie can steal a game or even a series from a better, even a great team.


We'll just have to chalk it up there with those other immortal debates:


		Consubstantiation vs. Transubstantiation
		Tastes Great      vs. Less Filling
		Boxers		  vs. Briefs
		Irene Ryan	  vs. William Demarest


hth,
'Saw

    
    Okay, who let Big Mac into Metz' account?   This everything is black
    and white sounds like MacLogic.
    
    So Metz, are you saying a fanastic individual performance can't lift a
    good team past a Great team?    
    
    Are you saying that the Broons in 1970 were Great, and in 1972 were
    Great.   But because they lost in 7 in 1971, in part due to a great
    individual hot goalie performance by Ken Dryden that in 1971, they
    weren't a great team.  So they were Great, Good, Great....They were a
    great team.
    
    JD

    	I've got it all figured out.  The Hokey Gods punished DaBroons�
    for doing dirty to Rejean Lemelin when they let him go.  If it weren't 
    for the hue and cry from the fans and media HappyHarry would've let
    Rejean go without so much as a thank you.
    
    				/Don

Time for a little reading comprehension test JD.


Each of those 3 seasons the Broons fielded 3 different teams. Each season a 
group of individuals gathers to form a team.

Therefore the 1970 and '72 teams were great. The 1970 team was good but not
great because it didn't take home the bacon...

1 year, 1 team.
3 years, 3 different teams.
great team, good team, great team.


Comprende?


Metz

    Broons lost Richer and Sweeney in the draft...

    	That's *Tim* Sweeney, Karen.  Wonder if Harry has the gall to
    increase ticket prices after the pathetic show DaBroons� put on in the
    playoffs?
    
    				/Don

    	Yeah Karen, it would be a real shame if DaBroons� had a defenseman
    that was taller than the president of the Lollipop Guild.
    
    				/Don

    Why Harry offered up Richer and kept Featherstone protected leaves me
    scratching my noggin'.
    
    Mark.

    Why didn't anyone take Dmitri?
    

    Couldn't.  
    
    Broons left him unprotected thinking that his tenure in San Diego 
    counted for professional experience.  Having only 1 yr in the NHL 
    disqualified him.
    
    What confuses me is that Sweeney had less than 1 yr.  Why did he
    qualify?
    
    Mark.

    He played for a while with Calgary...

    
    
    Moog to Dallas for Casey
    
    
    Lou

The article in the Hartford Courant said that, while Casey had a bad year
last year, in the past he's been great.  They are speculating about
which one will show up.

Personally, I think it sucks.  I just don't see Casey being the equal of
Moog in any facet.....


'Saw

	Casey is capable of great runs in the playoffs, but he will have 
some terrible regular season games.  Given the emphasis that Sinden&Sutter 
place on the regular/meaningless season, one has to wonder how long 
before Casey finds himself in the same doghouse than Andy Moog was in.  I 
wish Andy well because he was a good goalie and a class guy and certainly 
didn't deserve the scapegoat tag that some put on him because of the 
pathetic first round loss to the Sabres.

				/Don

Does anyone have any information on this Kid the Broons drafted?

The Courant was overloaded with the "steal of the Century" that Burke
made in getting Pronger, and not one mention, other than the name in a list,
of this kid.

Help,
'Saw

    From what I remember reading yesterday, 'Saw, he won't be in Boston for
    at least 3 years (he's going to college, Lake Superior State I think),
    but the B's like what they've seen of him and are willing to wait.

no media hype, right??:-)

The Crazy Met

>no media hype, right??:-)
>
>The Crazy Met


I know you're just joshin' TCM, but actually I don't think there was any.

Like I said, my paper just had a name, and Sinden seemed subdued on the
little clip of the draft I saw, saying something like "We've had our eye
on him for a while".   Like what else was he going to say? "We pulled
a name out of a hat"?


8^)

'Saw

     
    Another Harry lunch pail type. Big, with hands of Stone. Probably got
    him for a nickel, which according to Harry is the only way to get a
    player.
    
    Not being a Boston GM or anything I would shore up the blue line.
    Letting Richer go and protecting that oaf Featherstone is one of Harry's
    best all time blunders. Glen is slow, and injuryprone and getting long
    in the tooth. So let go    a speedy mobile defenseman with size, and
    keep mr. bad back. Makes perfect sense.
    
    And while I'm doing dumb things, raise ticket prices across the board,
    3 bucks.
    
    

    
    
    re. 218 
    
      I do not think Featherstone is getting long in the tooth.  I think he
    is only 25 or 26.  But everything else is true and I too wish the would
    have kept Richer.  With as few goals as this team scores any help from
    the blue line is welcomed.
    
    Jerry

    As I've said before, even though the Red Sox and Patriots take most 
    of the heat in this town for their incompetence and occasional 
    malfeasance, it's the Bruins' management that wins out for sheer
    classlessness in player relations.  The players themselves have 
    generally been very community-minded and giving to the community, but
    they've been rewarded in inverse proportion to their contributions.
    For crying out loud, Harry, yeah, maybe Andy Moog's regular season play
    *was* going to be affected a bit by the long drawn-out painful battle his
    father was waging against cancer.  I guess since he finally passed away
    last week the green light was finally there to dump Moog.  And Moog took
    it like the consummate professional by refusing to do anything but
    praise the Bruins publicly...
    
    glenn
     

    	Did Harry really raise the ticket prices another $3.00?  Bastard!
    
    				/Don

    
    They have gone up every year for the last 5 or so, so what would make
    this year any different ? 

    	RE: .222
    
    	First time sine 1987 they've gone down in the first round and swept
    to boot.  The worst they had done prior was a second round exit to Montreal
    in '89.  At least in the past Harry could make some kind of arguement
    for the ticket price increase, but certainly not this year.  Doesn't
    mean he won't, but he shouldn't.  Actually after the way they played in
    the "real season" a rebate would be in order.
    
    				/Don

    
    Caps let Langway go... Lessee if Harry tries to sign him up for a last
    hurrah ( ala Guy LaPointe). A sop to the feigns. They'll be touting
    Parade in June. Yea right...
    
    MikeL
    
    Looks as if Harfaa got a sweet deal in drafting defenseman Chris
    Pronger. Good work, BB, if'n the scouting reports are correct.
    
    

>    Looks as if Harfaa got a sweet deal in drafting defenseman Chris
>    Pronger. Good work, BB, if'n the scouting reports are correct.

He's got the size they want, but not the bulk -- yet.  They ultimately
want him at 225, and he's at like 185 right now.  He's planning on 
coming to camp at 205....    
    

	Dave Poulin has signed with the Washington Capitals and Harry 
Sinden has decided to publicly trash one of the classiest Bruins in decades.
Just coincidence that "negotiations" with the Poulin break down one week 
before the season ticket money is due and 99% of the renewal cash is 
safely locked in the vault.  Screw Harry!  Are we to believe it's always 
the player's fault?  Garry Galley was a bad influence, Andy Moog is a baby 
and Dave Poulin is a liar.  Calling Poulin greedy after years and years of 
annual ticket price increases is the ultimate hypocrisy!  The man is lucky 
he's already got my money 'cuz otherwise I would tell him and Milbury to 
shove those broken down seats where the sun don't shine.  Next year he can 
fill Jacob's coffers with somebody else's hard earned cash.

				/Don

    Harry Sinden is a throwback to the Stone Age, Slasher.  He's completely
    out of touch with today's market.
    
    					Steve

    News reports I heard last night said the Bruins offered Poulin pretty
    much what the Caps offered.  What made him go to Washington?

    	Well BigMac, could be Poulin wants one more "legitimate" chance at
    a Stanley Cup.  Could be "excellent losses" don't cut it for him.
    
    				/Don

    Could be.  Since the Caps offer was very close to Da Broons offer,
    where does Harry come off calling Poulin greedy?

    Difference was 125-150k, not much to yo' hockey superstar, but to
    Poul;in I imagine it was.  I can't believe Sinden calling Dave greedy,
    especially after what da Slash has brought out. 
    Harry0(dat's zero) and PitBullbury question "loyalty". HAHAHA
    Tell that to Lemelin, Byers, Moog, Garry Galley. It's a dang bidness.
    Harry0"s answering to a higher GoldenCalf.
    
    MikeL
    

    	I think this whole thing can be best summarized by saying...
    
    	Srew Harry!

I agree.

Boy, this SUCKS.  Poulin was KEY to the Bruins last year in terms of penalty
killing and clutch play.  You don't let someone like that get away.

this sucks.

    I was howling with laughter when I saw the "Sinden Angry" sub-headline 
    to the Poulin story in today's Globe.  Without even looking at the
    article I turned to the guy I was with at lunch and spouted the Broons'
    company line about there being no loyalty in today's game and only 
    money and blah blah blah blah blah and then when I turned the page I saw 
    nearly exactly these same quotes from Harry himself.  Then I read on 
    further and found out that Poulin was only an unrestricted fre agent 
    in the first place by virtue of his below-average salary for a 10-year 
    veteran player.  What a joke.
    
    glenn
     

    
    Typical Sinden B.S. Good luck to #19, he's a class act and a *Great*
    hockey player. 
    
    I hope Harry and Co. retire soon, they are a bunch of lying meatheads. 
    
    -Th

    	The ultimate irony in all this is that they sign this TartarSauce
    defenseman from Quebec after he sat out most of the year with a bad
    back on the word from his agent that they guy's back is okay!  I
    would've rather they apply that money to Poulin's contract and find a
    defenseman like McSorley.  Screw Harry!
    
    				/Don

    Yup,
    Now Steve Kasper's being mentioned as a replacement for Poulin.
    Nuttin' like a re-tread Broon who will work for minimum wage.
    
    MikeL
    
    

    TartarSauce Defenseman?

    Mac,
    
    TartarSauce.   /er was just showing off his wit.
    
    Breakdown the word TARTARS( ancient Slavic/Russian tribe "TATARS)
                       AUCE   ( French phoneticism)
    
    Ya see this defenseman is Russian with a French forebear somewhar,
    plus he was playing in francais quebec.
    
    Capice?
    
    Brilliant, Slash, brilliant
    
    HTH
    MikeL
           
    
    

    Sorry Mac et al (you really is/was a great mod).
    
    However, I must get in one shot as it may be years before I get in
    another.
    
    Bourque and Orr will go down as two of the greatest players in hockey
    WHEN THEY HAVE THE PUCK.
    
    When they do not have the puck, they are generally hopeless.
    
    The way Brad May undressed Bourque in the last game of the playoffs was
    disgraceful.  Any 10 year old kid knows that in that situation you
    knock the man off the puck.
    
    'Nuff said.  So there Broons fans.
    
    Leafs will take it in the upcoming season barring weird injuries.  
    
    rick

I heard via the grapevine today that Bourque is going to arbitration.

I continue to shake my head in disbelief at the Broons ownership/mgmt.

Letting Poulin get away was dumb, but this would be dumber....


Guess it's gonna be an interesting season.....


fw

'Saw

Big stories in the Boston papers is that, not only are they letting Bourque go 
to arbitaration, they are looking to trade him.  They have gotten inquiries
from St. Louis and Quebec.

Whatta buncha scum bags.

=Bob=

    That's not the half of it.  Seems that the two sides are more than
    a million apart.  If Ray wins, and gets a 3 million plus salary, the
    Bruins will probably trade him.
    
    Mike

>    That's not the half of it.  Seems that the two sides are more than
>    a million apart.  If Ray wins, and gets a 3 million plus salary, the
>    Bruins will probably trade him.
    
I don't get the paper during the week, as I just don't have time to read
it.  But I doubt the Hartford paper would cover this story in as much
depth either....


thanks folks,
'Saw

    
    
     Yea, it seem that even though Bourque is at the end of his stint as
    the best defenseman in the NHL it seem strange that Sinbad and Co. will
    not even try to reach some sort of deal.  Granted giving Bourque that
    kind of money now is over paying him (it looks to me he is trying to
    make up for being under paid for years) letting him leave would bring
    the same type of reaction when Orr left.  The talk shows on the radio
    had plenty of "I'll cancel my NESN subscription", "I'll never go to
    another game", if he leaves type of callers and as most people know
    that is nothing but hot air.  But with Poulin gone because of money and
    now this issue with Bourque I, (and alot of people I've talked to) feel
    that with the constant ticket increases across the board what are they 
    doing with the money.  I will not cancel my NESN subscription but if 
    this keeps happening how can I justify spending 75 bucks for two
    tickets 20 bucks for parking ect. for my wife and I to go into a game
    if they are not even going to be competitive?  The Bruins management
    keeps saying "Just because someone else throws around alot of money why
    should I" comments they have to relize that if they won't someone else
    will and they will be left at the bottom of the division with alot of
    they're fan base leaving.  I personally think Bourque is asking for to
    much cash but they all do.  But it seems that, that is just the way the
    market is, and one team cannot change that.  Reach some sort of deal
    with Bourque and be done with it.  If he does win his arbitration case,
    which I think he will, and Sinden holds true to his word and trades
    him for a bag of sticks and a case of scotch alot of might get just
    what we asked for, a new GM.
    
    Jerry

	Well, I disagree that Bourque has been underpaid his entire career.
His entire career he has been one of the top 3 paid defenseman. Always
making market share. The B's have once again offered to make him the
highest paid defenseman at 2.1 mil per year for 2 years. Raymond is asking
3.5 to 4 mil a year. IMO a 33 year old Bourque is not worth 3.5 mil. Don't
give me any of this for past years service crap either. He already got
paid top dollar for the past 15 years. In every single sport it is time
for the ageing veterans to realize. That they aren't in there prime and
they don't deserve top dollar on the down side of there career. If
Bourque was 25 and in his prime, then yes he deserves around 3.0 mil a
year, but not now.
	The other problem the B's have is an owner who lives in Buffalo
and could care less about Hockey. All he cares about is his profit at
the end of the year. You will never see any bruin with a big contract
or any big free agent signings or trades. As long as Jacobs still owns
the team. Problem is Jacobs won't sell the team because he makes money
every year.

Ron

    The previous note is not accurate.  Ray Bourque has been continually
    underpaid throughout his career, and every time it appears that he
    catches up to the salaries of the highest paid defensemen in the NHL,
    the salary scale changes.  And that is what this argument is all about,
    whether the prevailing rate for defensemen is realistic.  The salary
    structure has changed, and the Bruins refuse to recognize it, which is
    their right.  Just because certain owners are overpaying defensemen who
    are not as good as Bourque does not mean the Bruins have to follow
    suit.  However, it is difficult to go against market value once it has
    been established.  The Bruins are fighting that market value, which is
    perfectly legitimate.  It is unfortunate that they are picking their
    fight with Bourque.  Harry has always whined about loyalty when a
    player shooses to sign with another team, but loyalty to him is a one
    way street.  Bourque has been a pillar of the Bruins for over a decade.
    Negotiate with him, make the best deal you wan, but treat him with the
    respect that his years of loyalty to the team deserve.
    
    NAZZ

    	Can't say I'm really surprised but if Broons fans really wanted to
    stick it to Jacobs they would boycott the concessions.  Never happen
    though (but I've been doing it for years).  Guess we'll get blasted
    with stories about how Bourque was really a troublemaker and a
    hindrance to the team's improvement, just like every other Bruin who
    won a salary arbitration or asked for a raise.
    
    				/Don

    
    If Bourque stays or goes, it won't matter. This team is going nowhere 
    in it's own division, forget the finals.
    
    

The broons always manage to win the division. It's when they start playing the
real season that the fact that everybody else coasts through league play and
have team far more talented and are actually able to win away from their home
ice becomes apparent...

Then Harry will cry and the broons will get a new coach and they'll raise
another faux banner to the garden rafters and besoil the real championship
banners (the green ones).

Then they'll raise ticket prices and do nothing to improve the team and repeat
the cycle over again...

Metz

	Well Metz, I have to tell you, that after getting this week's Sports 
Illustrated we may be wrong about the Broons.  This week's issue has a 
listing of all the sports' owners by their net worth and after seeing 
where Mr. Jacobs comes in at, I can sympathize.  After all it's not easy 
making house and car payments not to mention groceries, when you're only 
worth 500 million dollars.

	Yup, Jeremy is the richest hokey owner and the 16th richest owner 
overall in the survey.  Only one team, Walt(e)'s Wings are worth more than 
the Broons (assuming Jeremy would need to sell them to pay the bills).  Looks 
like the Broons brass will have to rev up the denial machine one more time.  
Wonder if Raymond Bourque gets a subscription to SI?

				/Don

>where Mr. Jacobs comes in at, I can sympathize.  After all it's not easy 
>making house and car payments not to mention groceries, when you're only 
>worth 500 million dollars.


It ain't easy being an owner.  Why, Richard Gordon had to ask the State
to bail him out, becuase, as he so poignantly said in an interview,
"I had to make the choice for my family -- could I afford to lose a 
million dollars a year, a million that I could have spent on my family"

My heart goes out to the man, really.  I mean that must be really tough.


'Saw

    Yeah but Illitch owns the Tigers too, so cut that in half, right?
    

    	Absolutely Walt(e).  Poor Illitch is probably elligible for food
    stamps.
    
    				/Don

    Can someone tell me waht happened th the Bruins note file
    
    I keep getting "remote node unknown" did anyone ever take it over ?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Kevin
    

    They've been running the spelling and grammar checker on it during the 
    offseason before they put it back online.

�    Can someone tell me waht happened th the Bruins note file
�    
�    I keep getting "remote node unknown" did anyone ever take it over ?
    
    You aren't the first to ask and apparently noone knows the answer.  I
    just tried sending mail to the moderator listed in VTX Easynotes
    (DPE::STARR) and that was bounced as "remote node unknown".

    Alan can be reached on QRYCHE::STARR.

    Here's the scoop on the Bruins Notesfile.
    
From:	QRYCHE::STARR        "Alan Starr MLO5-3/T89 dtn 223-1429" 13-SEP-1993 15:50:55.69
To:	PATE::MACNEAL
CC:	STARR
Subj:	RE: Bruins notesfile

Yo,

> OK if I post your mail in SPORTS?

But of course, no problem! 

lata,
alan
    
From:	QRYCHE::STARR        "Alan Starr MLO5-3/T89 dtn 223-1429" 13-SEP-1993 15:48:51.64
To:	PATE::MACNEAL
CC:	STARR
Subj:	RE: Bruins notesfile

Hi Keith,

I wasn't the active moderator of the conference, I was just added onto the
list when I helped set the conference up early last year. 

The conference's host, Jim Reid, was TFSO'ed a while back. The file survived
for a while on it's own, but now seems to have disappeared. Barry Machado 
has volunteered to start a new version of the BRUINS notesfile, and he
hopes it will be up and running later this week.

For more info, you can refer people to Note #346 in the STKCSC::HOCKEY 
notesfile....

regards,
alan

Anybody call over to Mass General yet to find out how Harry's doing?
I figure Gretsky 25 million might send him into arrest? Maybe LA operates
seperate from the league too???

mike

    	So I assume all these teams are losing money except the Broons�
    who are just managing to get by?  Poor poor Jeremey Jacobs.  I hope
    they charge enough for playoff tickets (regardless of where they are in
    the standings we'll pay for four home games a series) so Mr. Jacobs
    doesn't lose the mansion and porsche.
    
    				/Don

I'm a going to the Broons tonight. Right here in beautiful downtown
Charlotte and I'm wondering if'n anyone can help me out with a couple of
basics. 

1. What are the rules?
2. When's a good time to drink beer?

Actually, the second question is the important one.

TTom

    Since it's an exhibition game, drink all the time 8^)
    
    1. What are the rules?
       Watch the puck at all times. If'n you get distracted, that's the
       time a puck will go in the stands and knock out a few op yo' teef.
    
    2. Drink early and often (kinda like voting in Chicago).
    
    HTH,
    MikeL
    

    
    Yabbut AND speaking of hokey, does anybody have a pointer where all the
    schedules are?  
    
    I remain,
    again with another question
    Kev
    

Thanks for the help but who pays for the beer if I spill it while spittin
out teef?

And Kev, this is the only game in Charlotte. It's a one-game schedule.
I'd be glad to send it to you if'n that helps.

TTom

    
    Yabbut TTom, I don't know what I'd do without ya.  Yer soitenly too
    kind (not!)  ;^)
    
    FWIW, and for a change of pace, I have an answer:
    
    and the answer is -   CVG""::WORK.1[CAMPANELLA.KITS]NHL.EXE
    
    The question is "Where is the pointer to all the NHL games?"
    
    Once ya copy the file, ya gotta do something to your login.com
    that looks something like this:
    
    $NHL  :== $YourDisk:[your account]nhl.exe
    
    
    thing only takes up 39 blocks too!
    
    I remain,
    temporarily "The Answer Man"!
    Kev
    

This hokey stuff is fun.

The Broons won the game, beating the Flyers (at it turned out) 4-1. Some
of the highlights: 

 - Twas a sellout of 9599. No one reported the one missing seat.

 - The Broons were the home team but wore black. What's this all about?
   I thought the home team wore white or at least lighter 'n black.

 - I saw all them stars: Cam, Oates, Bourque, Lindros, et. al. The 
   biggest problem was that by the time you figure out who is who they
   leave the ice. 

 - The zamboni was painted up like Kyle Petty's race car, Mellow Yellow, 
   No. 42, same paint job. The guy driving it needs to take some lessons.
   Between the second and third sets - what are they called sessions? -
   he left a_undone streak right in front of the goalie which drew a
   resounding chorus of jeers from the knowledgeables in the crowd.

 - Only a couple of brief skirmishes. Probably the best one was between
   Mark Recchi and Don Sweeney who duked it out in front of the Boston 
   goal. It looked like there was a definite protocol to the tussle,
   almost choreographed. Either that or a Mark Gastineau boxing match.

 - They make a lot more noise live than they do on TV. 

 - Probably the biggest drawback to the game is that you actually have to
   watch it. Unlike baseball where you can hear the ball being hit and 
   then look for what happened by the time you look for what everyone is
   making noise about they done skated away again.

 - A lot of the players had nice things to say about Charlotte. Lindros,
   for instance, mentioned how much he thought the crowd was into the 
   game. 

FWIW, the Charlotte Checkers will start playing in the East Coast Hockey 
League somehow affiliated with the Broons. The team is owned by a couple 
of ex-Hornets big wigs, including former GM Carl Sheer. Kyle and Richard 
Petty are also own shares. Other notable teams in the league are the 
Wheeling Thunderbirds (since when did W.Va. have a_East Coast?), the 
politically incorrect Knoxville Cherokees, and the Johnstown Chiefs 
(weren't they the team in Slap Shot?).

TTom

    Guess ya musta drank O'Douls. Yo' memory don't seem too cloudy.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    The B's used to wear the Black jersey's at home. Don't know why this
    was changed to light = home Dark = away.
    
    The team in slapshot was the Charlestown Chiefs. Great flick.
    
    Zamboni painted as the #42 car... Blecch.
    
     A Don Sweeney and Mark Recchi beef is'nt what I would call a good
    hockey fight. Neither are known for thier pugilistic skills. They
    should have stuck to tea and crumpets at center ice. 
    
    
    Things to watch for when watching hockey live are how fast and *BIG*
    some of these NHL'ers are. They move with quite alot of finesse while
    carrying speed and the puck. For those who don't skate try it sometime,
    moving the puck ahead while keeping your head up and the opposing
    players away from you in a full contact sport. Definetly not an easy
    task.
    
    Glad to see it was a sellout. Now explaining icing and two line
    offsides to the non hockey fan is a tough job. Too bad you did't get to
    see the mid 70's Flyers and B's play. Bobby Clark, Dave 'the Hammer'
    Shultz and the rest of the Hitler youth would have put on quite a show
    vs. the B's. No that was Hockey !
    
    -TH
    

No it's that dang draft beer.

The lines at the Bud pumps was too long once so I had to settle for a
Miller. Just saying that makes me squeamish.

I switched to Bud cause the lasted time I was in jail they didn't have
Michelob.

TTom

    If you have ever watched college world series (baseball) and then major
    league ball then you have the difference between hockey today, in the
    70s and back in the 6 team league.
    
    Even the bruins were a completely professional outfit.  The problem I
    have watching hockey (the occasional stanley cup game) is
    
    1.  mistakes, mistakes, mistakes
    
    2.  holding, holding ...
    
    3.  toss the puck into the corner, melee about; clear finally, go back
    to the other end, same same, penalty, power play, score.
    
    but the best sporting event of all time was '72 series with russia.
    
    And I did enjoy leafs - blues series - some real hockey finally played
    in that one followed by totally boring LA-anyone.  But all LA teams are
    boring, dodgers became so when they went there, so did raiders
    
    just one opinion
    
    and whatever did happen to leo boivin

    
    Yes, the 72 series was outstanding. Phil Esposito had to be carrie
    from the ice if I recall. 
    
    -Th

    
    Yabbut today, I think in california, Ray Bourque has his arbitration
    hearing to determine what kind of $$$ he's gonna get.  I unnerstand
    that da Broons are offering somethang like $2 million/year but Ray's
    looking for something in the $4-5 million range.
    
    Supposedly the decision needs to be reached on Tuesday.
    
    I remain,
    wondering if he could spare me $.02?
    Kev
    

    
    Manian Rheume (SP) is playing in the second period for the Lightning
    tonight. Coach Sutter said and I quote, "That's great, we'll prepare
    for her and come to kick ass, just like all the other goalies."
    
    

    What's it on?  NESN?
    

    re: The '72 Canada vs Russia Series.
    
    My mom found a book cleaning the cellar. It was co-written by Sinden,
    who coached the team. Brought back alot of memories. It outlined what
    was going on game by game and had some excellent pictures.
    
    FWIW - I'd put the Canada Cup from '87 right up there w/the '72 series.
    
    Shawn
    
    

    Moral of the story - don't bring your kids up to be defensemen.
    
    					Steve

    
    Yabbut I heard thisted AM that Cam Neely had a major bigtime injury to
    his knee lasted night.  Supposedly tore his medial ligament.
    
    Could be out for several months.
    
    I remain,
    playing doctor
    Kev
    

    It was not Cam Neely but Don Sweeney that blew out his knee. This could
    hurt an already suspect defense. Casey made some great stops last
    night on breakaways, but how many times can Casey cover up for the
    defense?

    Courageously and with total dignity, Harry Sinden and the Broons' brass 
    will "abide by the arbitrator's decision..."
    
    glenn
    

    
    Already suspect defense ? Teams like Detroit,Pitts, and NYI are going
    to wreack havoc on this team. They have no defense. If Casey thought he
    saw alot of rubber before, he has'nt seen squat as to what he's going
    to see now. They should have made a deal for Chris Pronger to shore up
    the 'D'. 
    
    

�    Already suspect defense ? 
    
    Interestingly enough, the Bruins were 3rd best in the NHL last year in
    terms of goals against.

    
    Re.-1
    
    And where did that get them ?
    

    	We'll find out this year how much Andy Moog meant to this team.
    
    				/Don

    
    Speaking of da broons, anybody know why I'm getting a privilege
    violation message when I try to access it (on Diver1::)?
    
    

    Have those of you who have been experiencing problems getting into the
    Broons notesfile tried sending mail to the one person who should know
    what's going on -- the moderator?
    
    TH, defense may win championships, but you can't win if you can't
    score.

	Not if, but when.  No Broon� will take Jeremey to arbitration and 
stay with the team.  I would've thought Ray would be the exception, but
after the public treatment Poulin received, I think not.  So the question 
becomes, where will Ray go, what will the Broons� get, and how long before 
the stories start appearing in the Globe and Herald that he's a malingerer, 
a cancer on the team, a disloyal employuee, etc...?

				/Don

    The notes file was moved.
    
    Try mod/entry=boston_bruins/file=diver1::boston_bruins.
    
    Mike

    
    Not only do they have zero defense, they have only one offensive threat
    in the Oates,Juneau,Kneely line. I bet that no team will figure out how
    to stop that.... Besides, Kneely's knee is cut from the same mold as Ol
    #6. Jump on the Qubec Bandwagon, they are the team of the future.  

�    Not only do they have zero defense, 
    
    The GA number may not have earned them a Stanley Cup, but surely that
    warrants them better than a zero defense tag.

    
    I'm speaking of this year, not last. Look at the D.
    It's suspect, thats all.Bourque is aging, D.Sweeney is hurt,
    Featherstone can't play the position, Wesley gets brain fade. 
    
    I wish them well, but with Pitts in the division, along with the
    Championship Habs, and Quebec, the B's look quite weak with only one
    potential scoring line and a pylon defense. Can't wait for the first
    Pitts vs. B's game. 
    
    
    -TH

    It sounds like they're placing great stock in the Rohloff kid who I
    think played at Lake Superior St.  Course, he hasn't so much as played
    in an intrasquad game yet this year though.
    
    					Steve

    Gotta hand it to that gracious winner Harry Sinden.
    
    I didn't disagree with him when he thought that Bourque was asking
    too much at 4 mil+; every athlete is overpaid. But Ray has been the
    tour de force for this club for fourteen years and without him, the
    Broons woulda been squat and Harry knows this.
    
    Then Blowhard and Blowhard Jr get on stage in MSG and after praising
    Bourque to the heavens (had to the obligatory healing), and then
    get to their real agenda. Bourquey got lousy advice, the Players Union
    used him as a landmark case, they messed with the wrong team and guy,
    blah, blah, blah... So what if Harry's right about salaries, he just
    insulted the hell out of his captain. Most of the Broon's players
    thought Ray got jobbed. So much for loyalty and "we're a family"
    business there Harry when you rant and rave insulting yo' meal
    ticket's intelliegence. I hope to hell Harry trades Bourque.. to a
    classy organization.
    
    Pretty soon 5 Guys Named Moe will be skating in black and gold.
    
    Harry, you and your barking dog sip.
    
    MikeL
    

 One thing I thought was kind of strange was that John Dennis (channel 7)
 had Bourque's agent on very soon after the ruling came down and he stated
 what it was. When Dennis asked him if Ray knew the agent said "no, I haven't
 been able to get a hold of him. He's probably on the ice." I'd think it would
 be common courtesy to tell the client before telling the media.

    
    Harry and the old line 1  Players and NHLPA 0
    
    
    Harry is a F(*&^%$ idiot.
    
    
    He is right in some of the things he says, but when you blabber that
    much your bound to get something on the money.
    
    It's a shame that a guy like Mcsorley can get the money for nothing and
    Bourque get's his after 14 years. Things like signing Foresberg and
    Lindros who never played an NHL game don't exactly help. 
    
    And what a turncoat that Mibury is, not only was he a sucky defenseman,
    but he was also a player rep. Now he's got his head so far up Harry's
    butt, he's tickling his bicuspids. I don't feel sorry for Bourque he
    makes 2.25 million bucks a year for playing a game. Plenty of cash.
    I just wish Harry would keep his mouth shut.
    
    
    
    

	Now I've did my trashing of Harry, but let me ask you this.  If 
Jeremy Jacobs sold the Broons today and the new owner said that his number 
one priority was winning the Stanley Cup, would you fire Harry?  I wouldn't.
Just like Glenn Sather isn't responsible for the dismantling of one of 
hokey's greatest teams (Penurious Pocklington is), I wonder what Harry 
would be like working for somebody else?  Remember that Jacobs' priorities 
are #1 Sell Beer, #2 Sell Popcorn #3 Sell Hotdogs #4 Annual raising of 
ticket prices #5 Sell Pizza, etc...  Somewhere way down that list is a 
winning hokey team.  Harry always gets the blame while Jeremy holes up in 
Buffalo counting his money.

				/Don

    
    Harry is a neanderthal Slash. Sure Jacobs is tighter than my cat's
    dental floss, but Harry always comes out with these contradictory
    statements; preaching loyalty and family outta one side of his
     maw and ridiculing those who have the bollocks to challenge.
    
    MikeL
    

               
    Yes, by all accounts Harry absolutely relishes the role that the stingy
    Jacobs has placed him in.  The guy is out-and-out inflammatory and from 
    strictly an intelligent business standpoint there's no compelling reason 
    for him to be so.  Unless angering even the most blinded of Broons' fans
    is somehow smart business...
    
    glenn
    

�Harry always gets the blame while Jeremy holes up in 
�Buffalo counting his money.
    
    From the Knorr/Heiser conspiracy file:
    
    The Buffalo Sabres are really Jeremy's team.  That's why he's so
    tightfisted with the Broons.

	Is anyone else going to the Gahden tonight?


	billl

    	I saw the last home game of the season against Buffalo there Billl. 
    Don't want to revive that sour taste left in my mouth.  I'll be there
    Monday against Roy and Company.
    
    				/Don

    	So Glenn and MikeL, your answer to my "if the Broons were bought by
    an owner whose #1 priority was to win the Stanley Cup would you fire
    Sinden?" question is YES?    
    
    				/Don

 First I'd let him fire Milbury then I'd fire him!!!!!!!!!

    
    > So Glenn and MikeL, your answer to my "if the Broons were bought by
    > an owner whose #1 priority was to win the Stanley Cup would you fire
    > Sinden?" question is YES?    
    
    Sure, if I had a chance to replace him with a bigger thinker.  Don't
    get me wrong, I think Harry's done a fine job overall in his years with
    the Bruins, but it ain't just money that's separated the Broons from
    Montreal, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, etc...
    
    glenn
    

    
    Boot him, time has passed him by. Take the head bum kisser Milbury with
    him while your at it. He's pissed of the marquee players, and most
    probably know that they will never get anywhere with the present
    management system so don't even think about the cup.
    
    

    Two years ago I still woulda kept Harry. I'd can him quicktime.
    He's lost it. 
    
    He's had a history of making some shrewd deas; he done fleeced
    Vancouver for Neely and I thought he was right on in obtaining
    Poulin and Moog (yup, even fer Ranford). But he was gutless in
    letting Lemelin go, insulted his most clutch player, Poulin, and
    msde a real qwuestionable trade for Casey. Hell, even Harry admitted
    that he wasn't sure he got the better goalie in the deal. Then
    why the hail did he trade Moog ( we all know the real reason)?
    
    And about his sidekick BooBoo. I still think Milbury has what it
    takes to be a damn good GM. He's just proving that he's a A#1
    buttsmoocher. 
    
    
    MikeL
    

    Hey, I was looking in the paper today, and saw the standing for the NHL
    and realized that the Pens are now in the same division with the
    Broons, it just hadn't hit me yet, and seeing it there in black and
    white made something in my brain click.
    
    So, in keeping with rivalries, new and old:
    
    
    SHEEZ, the Broons sure do suck.  How did Neely get the high heeled
    skates???  What dress will he be wearing fer the nexted game???
    
    (8^)
    
    JaKe
    

    	Personally RaKe I'm looking forward to the Pengoon� games and
    watching Mario.  The last time I saw such precise and accurate dives
    was the 1972 Olympics with Mark Spitz.
    
    				/Don

    
    Round 1 		/Don	10		JaKe	8
    
    Marc
    

    Do me /er.
    
    Anyways, Spitz weren't a diver, douche-bag, he was a swimmer, methinks
    maybe ya should update yer brain with the name "Greg Louganis".
    
    (8^)
    
    JaKe
    

    Now that I've waded through all the muck,
    
    Twas an eyeopening experience last night at the Gahden.  I say that
    because I thought there was no way the Broons could get as bad as /er
    was making them out to be.  Boy was I wrong!
    
    Shots on goal:  Broons 39   Sabres  20
    Score:   Broons  3   Sabres  5
    
    It would be real easy to say from just seeing those two stats that the
    Broons have no defense and a seive for a goalie.  That would be a gross
    over-simplification. 
    
    To my, admittedly untrained, eye the Broons have a LAZY defense and a
    goalie who was left with his jock around his ankles after LaFontaine
    was done with him.  I'd still start Casey again, though.  Overall he
    did an above average job.
    
    The only way I can try to explain the 39-3, SOG-goal, ratio for the
    Broons was the fact that 30 of the SOG were direct to Fuhr's chest. 
    Those are fine if'n you are crashing the net looking for the rebound,
    but unfortunatly for the Broons, they only did that three times.
    
    The other nine SOG were stopped by some spectacular goaltending work by
    that "non-athletic" looking Fuhr.  (Sorry, Tommy, couldn't resist.)
    
    Still, all things considered, I was lucky enough to be in attendance to
    a real good hockey game.
    
    
    billl

NICE game on Saturday night against the Queebs.

Of course, Fraser didn't let them play, he called about a million penalties.

Oates with the hat trick, Juneau gets a goal and three assists.  Not bad.

Blue did a nice job in goal, and the defense is still a bit suspect, but
with so many short-handed situations, it is tough to tell from this game.


'Saw

    
    
      I think the whole team played pretty well also.  Even that slug
    Wesley.  Stanton is a great pickup for just a draft pick and looked
    pretty good for not knowing the scheme.  With Sweeney down for a few
    more games the D is going to be tested today but when he gets back it
    won't be great but at least we will have two pairings that will work,
    Bourque-Shaw, Sweeney-Stanton.  Sutter keeps putting Wesley and
    Featherstone together, does anyone else think that these two should
    (if you have to play them) be seperated and paired with the two
    strongest defensemen in Bourque and Sweeney?  And the pickup of Stanton
    leaves Roberts, I would guess, the odd man out when Sweeney does get
    back.  And hopefully we have seen the last of Tatrinov (sp).
    
    Jerry
    

Broons have kissed their sister more times this season than anyone else!

8^(

    Three 1-1 games in a row, two against the Ducks & Sharks.
    
    Why Neely on the penalty shot ? 
    
    They'd better pick it up against the Canucks.
    
    Shawn

    	DaBroons� have kissed their sister so much the last few days they
    should move to West Virginny.
    
    				/Don

/er did the brandy help?? was it worth it?

The Crazy Met

    	Craze, I never drink brandy when I watch DaBroons� only beer. 
    Hopefully DaBroons� management will not panic and start cleaning house
    because a couple of meaningless exhibition season ties.
    
    				/Don

    Do the Bruins suck right about now or what?  I see them battling it out
    with Hartford for 6th place in the Northeast division, with Hartford
    taking it should Neely be out for any length of time (which is bound to
    happen).  We just might be watching the worst Bruins team since the 
    pre-Orr days, even with the league as diluteted as it is.
    
    That game last night was a pathetic thing to watch.  Talk about no
    emotion.
    
    					Steve

	What happened last night in the second period?  I was only half
	watching the game while trying to play darts, and not doing a
	very good job at either one. 

	I glanced at the tube just in time to see the Red Wings score an
	empty-netter.  I think the score before the empty-netter was 1-1.
	A little early to go into panic mode wasn't it?


	billl

Re -1,

	What happened when it was 1-1 and Detroit scored an open net goal.
Well something I have never seen before happened. Detroit was in the process
of getting called for a penalty. The B's pulled the Goalie like every team
does to get a 6-5 advantage. To try an score the PP goal before the actual
PP starts. Stumpel was behind the Detroit net and he centered the puck.
Problem is it went thru everybody and down the length of the ice into the
B's net for a Detroit goal.
	What is even more ironic is that the player credited with the goal.
For being the closes player to Stumpel. Was the player sent off the ice for
his penalty after the goal. Not bad score a goal then go to the penalty box.

Ron

    Red Wings ROOL!!!
    
    Called Cathmeister to rub it in lasted night.  She was not amused. 
    She'll see youze guyz on the 12th...
    

The empty netter was the first of that type since Pat Verbeek of the
Whalers did it last season.  I happened to see that one too....

Bruins do SUCK right about now 8^(

    What were you guys saying?

Well, 12 days ago they sucked.

And they didn't blow out the Islanders, and the Edmonton game was close for
quite a while....


At least they didn't snatch a tie from the jaws of victory like the 
stupid Whalers did the other night....  Man, now THEY REALLY SUCK.


'Saw

�And they didn't blow out the Islanders, and the Edmonton game was close for
�quite a while....
    
    ...and they are sittin' in first place.

>    ...and they are sittin' in first place.

For now.  

Let's see when they play some real teams.  So far, they've been like
the Giants  8^)

    Good to see the rest of the league's fans respect Adam Oates...
    He's behind guys like Lindros, Lemieux and LaFontaine that have been
    out most of the year...
    
    From: [email protected] (United Press International)
    Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey
    Subject: NHL East Conference All-Star Voting
    Keywords: hockey, men's professional
    Copyright: 1993 by UPI, R
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    References: <[email protected]>
    <[email protected]>
    Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 10:48:30 PST
    Location: canada
    ACategory: sports
    Slugword: hkn-stars-list
    Priority: regular
    Format: table
    ANPA: Wc: 347/0; Id: z5657; Src: upi; Sel: xxshp; Adate: 12-14-N/A
    Approved: [email protected]
    Codes: &shpaxx., &shpacn., //ns--s/, tnrb....
    Lines: 33
    
    (Through Dec. 13)
    Centers
            Eric Lindros, Philadelphia, 98,695; Mario Lemieux, Pittsburgh,
    81,632; Joe Sakic, Quebec, 47,439; Pierre Turgeon, NY Islanders, 40,
    407; Kirk Muller, Montreal, 38, 113; Pat LaFontaine, Buffalo, 36,147;
    Adam Oates, Boston, 33,682; Mark Messier, NY Rangers, 31,924; Brian
    Bradley, Tampa Bay, 25,283; Geoff Sanderson, Hartford, 11, 121.
    Wingers
            Jaromir Jagr, Pittsburgh, 133,997; Alexander Mogilny, Buffalo,
    113,352; Mark Recchi, Philadelphia, 84,662; Kevin Stevens, Pittsburgh,
    60,004; Rick Tocchet, Pittsburgh, 54,315; Vincent Damphousse, Montreal,
    50,256; Joe Juneau, Boston, 43,742; Steve Thomas, NY Islanders, 43,
    134; Mike Gartner, NY Rangers, 42,889; Mats Sundin, Quebec, 41,784;
    Adam Graves, NY Rangers, 32,821; Owen Nolan, Quebec, 31,841; Brian
    Bellows, Montreal, 27,815; Petr Klima, Tampa Bay, 26,707; Scott Mellanby,
    Florida, 25,934; Pat Verbeek, Hartford, 21,519; Peter Bondra, Washington,
    13,587; Vladimir Ruzicka, Ottawa, 13,544.
    Defensemen
            Ray Bourque, Boston, 143,383; Brian Leetch, NY Rangers, 99,
    772; Scott Stevens, New Jersey, 71,105; Al Iafrate, Washington, 69,
    329; Darius Kasparaitis, NY Islanders 58, 579; Larry Murphy, Pittsburgh,
    57,035; Garry Galley, Philadelphia, 51,589; Scott Niedermayer, New
    Jersey, 41,339; Eric Desjardins, Montreal, 41,255; Steve Duchesne,
    Quebec, 34,357; Roman Hamrlik, Tampa Bay, 33,377; Matt Schneider, Montreal,
    28,064; Joe Cirella, Florida, 26, 366; Kevin Hatcher, Washington, 23,
    193; Doug Bodger, Buffalo, 19,910; Norm Maciver, Ottawa, 19,223; Zarley
    Zalapski, Hartford, 18,145; Brad Shaw, Ottawa, 13,244.
    Goaltenders
            Patrick Roy, Montreal, 141,418; John Vanbiesbrouck, Florida,
    62,349; Tom Barrasso, Pittsburgh, 50,109; Tommy Soderstrom, Philadelphia,
    47,076; Ron Hextall, NY Islanders, 37,348; Chris Terreri, New Jersey,
    31,291; Grant Fuhr, Buffalo, 29, 136; Jon Casey, Boston, 15,706; Don
    Beaupre, Washington, 8,783;Sean Burke, Hartford, 7,823.
    

    
    Forget the NHL allstar voting, they should make it a sportwriters
    thingie. People go with what they see most, not with what the facts
    are.  Beside the Broons really stink, so who cares.
    

    Interesting comments from Harry Sinden in the Sunday paper.  He's
    blasting John Casey for his poor performance.  As the writer of the
    column so aptly points out, Harry you traded Moog for a career .500
    goaltender.  What did you expect?

    Funny how one of the reasons given for Moog being traded was that
    he gave up a few soft goals.  The hockey gods must be getting back
    at Harry.
    
    Mike

    According to Moog another reason was traded was he wasn't a Sutter kind
    of guy.  Moog's lockerroom style was a little too laid back for Sutter.

    
    For all the great trades harry has pulled off, he sure has his share
    of blunders. 3rd highest payroll in the league and he's got a team that
    plays between the forever 500's and the upper echelon teams. 
    
    Also alot of the draft picks have been busts, the eastern block players
    that they have suck, and the general scouting is horrid. Sorry, they
    won't be going anywhere for a long time but you can bet Harry will make
    another trade and bad mouth his players in the press.
    
    

    	Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Sutter go, especially if Glenn
    Wesley went with him.  I had the misfortune of seeing last Saturday's
    game against the Red Wings and despite the media harping about how it
    was a good game, it was one of the most boring one goal games I have
    ever seen.  Wesley pitched a no-hitter (I don't think he even came
    close to brushing up against anybody) and the team played with no spunk
    at all.  At least half of their third period shots came after the team
    pulled Blue out of the net with a little more than a minute left.  I
    think if the team doesn't make the playoffs they should refund some of
    the ticket price money back to the season ticket holders.
    
    				/Don

re: .337

See Mac, that is why it is good to have the Rangers on. See some real hockey.

The Crazy Met

I thought everybody made the playoffs in the NHL?

Or have they expanded soooo much lately that they decided to leave a few teams
with overly cute nicknames out?

Metz

    	Wait 'till the playoffs Craze, they'll choke again...
    
    				/Don

certainly possible. but they are worth watching at the moment.

The Crazy Met

    
    Rangers are playing well and could do itthis year. They got rid of that 
    meathead Nielson and his 'ode to Ron Dugay' haircut. Good luck to them. 
    
    Fat chance on seeing the delaware north and co. give money back. They
    have increased tickets every year for the last 9(?) while the quality
    has never left the adams division. BFD, a few runs at the cup in 88 and
    again in 90 only to be embarrassed by the Oilers each time. Also it was
    great to show off that dump we call a garden to the rest of the league.
    
     Why don't you like Westly, /er ? I know he has his quirks, but
    Shaw/Roberts/Featherstone all suck equally and all three added up don't
    even come close to #26. Featherstone is another one of Harry's
    nightmares that everyone tends to forget. (Remeber Dave Christian ?
    Sure you do, Harry "forgot" he was a free agent and off he went.) we
    get the lumbering sloth that can't shoot, hit, or pass, but he's big.
    WOW, I forgot. In print, just say he wasn't worth what he was asking 
    and off he went. 
    
    Glen's nickname is Elmers (no kidding) in the locker room. They say his
    gloves are glued to his hands and they will never come off.
    
    Some other Harry bombs:
    
    Drafting that never did nothing Gord Kluzak over Brian bellows with
    Knee problems.
    
    Signing Wes Waltz to a one way contract.    (top draft Pick)
    
    Signing Rob Cimmetta to any contract. (top draft Pick) 
    
    Gary Galley to Arbitration and losing, traded to the Flyers for Gord
    'Monkey boy' Murphy. That was an alltime FU.
    
    I can come up with a ton more.
    

> Rangers are playing well and could do itthis year.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ok meathead! :-) you never, ever, ever say that aloud! :-)

The Crazy Met

    	Wesley has a ton of talent, but no heart.  Featherstone belongs in
    Providence (as a 5th or 6th defenseman).  Featherstone has no mobility
    and even less intelligence.  His "physical presence" consists of taking
    stupid penalties.  This team sure could use Garry Galley right now.
    
    				/Don

> Wesley pitched a no-hitter

great line!

The Crazy Met

    Featherstone is a Sinden/Sutter type of player.

    Have fun with Riendeau.

    I know he played for Sutter in St.Louie and he was a backup to Chevalde
    in Detriot, but other than that don't know much about him.
    
    Any comments ?
    
    

    The only good thing Bruins management has to show for this year is Paul
    Stanton.  One of the top 4 defensemen on the team right now. 
    Everything else they've done over the past 2 years has been blunderous
    (i.e., after Oates).
    
    					Steve

    
    Ditto on Stanton, good pickup he's a solid B-liner

    Which goalie is going down?  Blue I assume since Harry would look even
    worse dropping the guy he traded Moog for.

    Put it this way:
    
    Yzerman was rumored as trade bait for a defenseman and quality
    goalie.  Riendeau was at best the #3 goalie.  He was in the minors
    trying to find himself behind Cheveldae and Osgood.
    

    It's probably gonna be Casey, Mac.  That's the word in the papers
    anyway.
    
    					Steve

    He makes to much moolah to ship him to the AHL, besides if they did he
    would have to clear wavers before going down. Somebody would grab him
    for sure. Blues days are numbered, I would think.
    
     Did Cam Kneeley make the allstar game ? I figured head bum kisser
    Demers would put him in.

    Not yet...

    The guy is averaging over a goal a game.  Would it be a travesty to add
    him to the All Star game?

    Who are they going to take off the team?  He's probably got to play a
    certain number of games to get real consideration.  Of course, as I've
    been told in here, stats aren't everything...
    

�    Who are they going to take off the team?  
    
    Speculation was he'd take Adam Oates' place, but since Oates appears to
    be recovered that probably won't happen.  There are a couple of slots
    open for recognizing players overlooked by the selection process. 
    These typically are given as lifetime acheivement awards, going to
    players in the twilight of the careers.
    
    I don't think there is a # of games requirement to be named to the All
    Star squad.  
    
    The Worcester T&G
    hockey writer is calling for either an expansion of the rosters (citing
    expansion of league), or getting rid of the every team has to have a
    player rule. 

    
    How about getting rid of the all-fake game ?
    

	Did anyone watch last night's game against the Sabres?  All I saw
	was the 3rd period and OT.

	The funniest thing was the way Buffalo's goalie reacted to a shot 
	taken by Murray (I think).  It was a one on one slap shot from 
	just over the blue line.  The goalie had come out about 8 feet from
	the net.  Murray lets loose a rocket.  The goalie reminded me of one
	of those demolition derby cars I had when I was a kid.  You know, 
	the ones that would explode into pieces upon impact.  His legs and
	arms shot staight out from his body.  I was waiting to see them
	come flying off.  He looked like he got hit in the chest with a 
	bazooka from his reaction.

	All in all a very impressive 3rd period by the Broons.


	billl

�	of those demolition derby cars I had when I was a kid.  You know, 
�	the ones that would explode into pieces upon impact.  His legs and
�	arms shot staight out from his body.  I was waiting to see them
�	come flying off.  He looked like he got hit in the chest with a 
�	bazooka from his reaction.
    
    Was that the one where he got hit in the facemask?

	Actually, Mac, I think it hit him on the right collarbone.  One of 
	the announcers said he was hit in the mask, but he got up rubbing 
	his collarbone area.

	Anyhow, yeah I believe we're talking about the same shot.


	billl	

    NEELY IS GAWD...
    
    50 goals in 44 games, not bad for a main skating at 70%.
    I hope Harry gets off his bar stool and makes a serious offer to
    this man, and not pay him lip service..
    
    MikeL
    

Harry said he'll match any offer Cam gets.  

Hopefully he ain't pulling a Gorman.....

t

    The more things change, the more they stay the same..
    
    Broons were riding high, feasting on the mediocre clubs and soared
    to the top of the NE division. Everyone was pumped and looking
    forward to 7 straight games against some of the iron (Washington,
    Pitt, Rangers, NJ, Montreal, Pitt, NJ).  Well guess what??
    Bruins, you be a mediocre club (hear that Harry and your parrot,
    Swillbury? Your players are bustin' ass, they just don't have the
    talent!) as we knew all along.  
    
    With six of these games played, the Broons are 1-4-1, with a whopping
    3 out of a possible 12 points...
    
    When do the Red Sox start??
    
    MikeL
    
    

	There, there, MikeL.  Just keep telling yourself, "This is just 
	the 'pre-season'."  Although it was a sweet win last night through
	these eyes.  You can't let yourself get all wrot up over it.

	That move Jagr put on Casey for the Pen's third goal was a classic.
	Casey had to stop and pull up his jock before they could resume play.



	billl

    Yabbut billl,
    Telleth moi what changes the "real season" gonna bring to dem Broons?
    Just mo' aggravation.
    
    Sigh,
    MikeL
    

	The Broons� were lucky it wasn't 4-0 or 5-0 after the first 7 
minutes.  PittsburgH missed some golden opportunities and Casey's 
goaltending had nothing to do with those missed opportunities.  Casey roams 
around like he's piling up frequent traveler miles back there.   Personally 
I hope the Broons� go down early because if they're not going to win the 
Stanley Cup I would rather not spend the money seeing them pretending.  
They need a goaltender and Billy Ranford is there for the plucking.

				  /Don

Sorry MikeL that kind of talk just isn't gonna convince any of
us that the B's are a mediocre team. If they don't make it at least
as far as the semi-finals they will have to be considered a disappointment.

The Crazy Met

	Yunz know it doesn't matter anywho.  The teams are just paying to decide 
	who gets to loose to the Rangers in the Stanley Cup Finals.

OK, I admit, I don't follow dem Broons too much, but I just don't understand
the trade they made yesterday.

All I hear is that they need scoring, scoring, scoring.  The one guy who seemed 
capable of scoring was Joe Juneau.  On top of that Cam "will he play tonight?"
Neeley goes down with yet another injury, so what do they do?  Trade Juneau's 
butt out of town for a big ol' defenseman!!  I just don't understand.

Also, isn't there a trading deadline in the NHL?  There had to have been seven
or eight trades yesteday, some even involving players I've heard of.  Why would
team make major changes in the make up of their team so close to the 'offs?

I don't get the paper during the week and didn't see the news
last night.

I take it they traded Juneau.  Where?  And for who?

And how stupid was that?


'Saw

    Juneau was traded for Al Iafrate of the Capitals.  He is a big
    defenseman, with one of the hardest shots in the league.
    
    The Bruins now have a pretty solid defensive corp, but scoring is
    going to be a problem.  The Bruins could see the same thing happen
    with Juneau that the Red Wings saw with Oates when they traded him
    to the Blues.
    
    With Cam out, the Bruins were going to have a tough time getting out
    of the first round of the playoffs.  This deal clinches it.  They 
    have gone from 1 1/2 scoring lines to just Oates in 3 days.
    
    Mike

Juneau to Washington for some big defenseman.  Never heard of the guy, but
I'm not much of a hokey fan.

I don't know if ti is "broke" or not, but why make a change so close to the 
plyoffs, especially one where they appear to be "dumping" someone?

=Bob=

�   going to be a problem.  The Bruins could see the same thing happen
�   with Juneau that the Red Wings saw with Oates when they traded him
�   to the Blues.
 
What did they "see"?

    Iafraddy Al, I mean Al Iafrate...
    
    Yeah, last week the trade made sense.  After Neely goes down, I'm not
    sure I would have pulled the trigger.
    

    The RedWings didn't think Oates would amount to much more than a passer
    so they traded him and John Maclane I think to St. Louis for Bernie
    Federko and Tony McKegney.  McKegney was gone before the end of the
    season and Federko retired the end of the year.  Oates was put on the
    same line as Brett Hull...
    
    Juneau was criticized yesterday for not putting the puck in the net as
    much as they'd like, but Harry liked the way he passed the puck and set
    up the power play...
     

I like Iafrate, but it sounds like a pretty boneheaded move to
me.....

> I like Iafrate, but it sounds like a pretty boneheaded move to
> me.....


 which makes perfect sense with Harry involved.......Juneau must have
 been renegotiating or Harry was looking for an early sgapegoat.....

 mike

�All I hear is that they need scoring, scoring, scoring.  The one guy who seemed 
�capable of scoring was Joe Juneau.  On top of that Cam "will he play tonight?"
�Neeley goes down with yet another injury, so what do they do?  Trade Juneau's 
�butt out of town for a big ol' defenseman!!  I just don't understand.
    
    There were some rumblings about this in Sunday's T&G.  The trading
    deadline is fast approaching.  Juneau was one of the most tradable
    players on the club.  Speculation was they'd be going for a scorer with
    Cam going down.  There were some other comments (attributed to B's
    management I think) that sometimes you just have to make a trade to
    make it look like you're doing something.

 but why does it always have to be the wrong thing???????

 mike

       
    I think the more general question is why the NHL allows so many of its
    players to change hands on the eve of the playoffs, every year.  The 
    apparent lack of any serious roster rules just once again highlights 
    the absurdity and meaninglessness of the NHL regular season.  It's nice
    that they don't have the ultra-restrictive structure of the NBA so the
    some moves can be made, but on the other hand you have to wonder if all
    this player movement doesn't hurt fan loyalty with respect to player
    recognition (yeah! we won the Stanley Cup, with a bunch of nameless guys 
    who didn't get us here).  I don't know the specifics of the Juneau 
    situation, but here I was naively thinking that he was one of the bright 
    young emerging stars that the Bruins have been trying to market.  Bam, 
    an injury and/or a slump or two, and he's out the door in a move to
    improve the team for the next three-week window of opportunity...
    
    glenn
     

    The trade means that Sinden packed up this season (Neeley gone, would
    be out in first round with or without Juneau) and looking forward to
    next season. 
    
    Straight up I like the trade, given that Juneau's stock will not be as
    high next season.
    
    Mark.

	The trade makes sense.  The Ray Bourque arbitration case determined 
that defensemen, no matter how good, would not make the same kind of money 
as centers/forwards.  While they have to pay Iafrate 900K now they're 
saving a bundle in future expenses on Juneau's contract.  Now when the 
Bruins raise ticket prices again next year more money can go directly into 
Jacobs' pocket.  Good move Harry!  An added bonus is that the Harley 
Davidson bad boy image that Iafrate cultivates will be a big hit with the 
big hair from Revere teeny-bopper crowd, meaning more sales of Iafrate 
merchandise.

				  /Don

>>    <<< Note 98.384 by DZIGN::ROBICHAUD "ComingSoon-TheTonyaHardingStory" >>>

	Leave it to Slash to figure out the management angle. I always knew
 you were management material.........

 ;^)

    re; .385
    
    Excellent PName!!
    
    Deans gone recruiting.

 Yabbut (all acknowledgments to Kev) will his fishin' be as successful this year
 without a championship under his belt? With the returning players and that
 sorry coaching excuse of a coaching job he did sunday?

 mike

    >Yabbut (all acknowledgments to Kev) will his fishin' be as successful
    >this year without a championship under his belt? With the returning
    >players and that sorry coaching excuse of a coaching job he did sunday?
    
    Has this ever stopped him before?  As a fellow member of the salesscum
    fraterity, I salute Dean!
    
    brews

    With Neely sidelined, Juneau gonzo, and Iafrate on the blueline,
    the B's are gonna hafta rely on team defense and goaltending
    to do anythang in the 'offs(translation:nottoofar). 
    
    Broons'now have one of the top defensive corps in the league but
    cain't put the puck in the ocean with their frontliners(Murray,
    Smolinski and Czerauski may be able to, but who's Oates gonna
    pass to?). 
    
    Only way they can advance is to play 1950's/60's Toronto katey-bar-
    the-door hockey. They're gonna have to take the 90's Canadien
    clutch-grab-hold-hook-trip-tackle-intefere style to a higher level
    and hope the refs let 'em slide.. fat chance, this team don't reside
    on Rue de St Catherine's where the zebras are known to develop
    playoff cataracts...
    
    So..it's on to nexted year for Harry,Parrot and the B's.
    
    MikeL
     

    I give Sinden and the Parrot credit for having the gumption to pull
    the trigger on this one.  While B's management has been pretty much
    lousy with the draft, more often than not, the trades they make work
    out pretty well.
    
    Juneau is only a couple years younger than Iafrate.  Iafrate brings a
    presence to the team that they've lacked (how many times did Moog get
    run in the playoffs last year, with the runner getting only a few token
    shoves from the 5'7" Don Sweeney?).  Juneau uses the smallest stick in the
    league and skates all hunched over.  No wonder he's had his jaw busted
    four times in two years!  
    
    Good trade, but as Mark says, it could also signal the white flag for
    this year.
    
    					Steve

    Actuaaly I don't think the trade was bad at all.
    I've always liked Iafrate and the defensive corps has 4 solid
    defensemen in Bourque, Wesley, Sweeney, and Iafrate with Dave Shaw a
    solid 5th. Roberts is near retirement thank God, Featherhaid
    sips, Huscroft is cannon fodder, but this new kid(Gundir??) might
    pan out for the future. I'm not so sure about the dipsticks between
    the pipes. Casey's streaky and Riendeau looks average.
    
    As far as offense, well it's pot luck. There's only a few who have ther
    skills to shine now that Neely is on the shelf.  I like Oates,
    Smolinski and Murray period (as scorers). Kvartalnov is one-way when he
    plays hard. This Polish player now in Swden is supposed to be excllent
    but that's what they said about Kvartalnov,Stumpel, Panaleyev, ad
    nauseum.   And the rest of them come from the same mold, grinders.
    
    Yup, Harry and Polly have some work to do in the off-season.
    Gotsta find an over the hill offensive threat to continue
    to draw the gullible (not you Slasher!!Never!) fans.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    
      Have to agree about packing it in for this year.  I like the trade
    to be honest.  Juneau is a setup man not a scorer and with Oates on
    the first line that leaves the second line to Juneau with a couple of
    20 goal types.  Iafrate is very big 6'3" 220 and will be a physical
    presence something the B's haven't had in years.  He had a couple of
    goals last night and is only going to thrive with his style of play
    here.  Between Bourque, Iafrate, Sweeney, Wesley that has to be one
    of the best defensive corps in the leauge.  Through in Shaw and Stanton
    with Featherbrain on the bubble and Roberts retired and the D looks 
    good.  In the offseason Sinden the anti-christ and Polly (thats funny)
    are going to have to find another goal scorer.  Crekeski or however you
    spell that is playing in Europe now and is ready to step in and
    contribute.  If they can package that load Heinze with a real hockey
    player they should be able to get a Tony Amonte type.  They are just
    playing out the string now but will be a better team next year.
    
    Jerry

	How can yunz use the words 'Wesley' and 'good defense' in the 
	same sentence?


	billl

    
    
>>>>	How can yunz use the words 'Wesley' and 'good defense' in the 
	same sentence?


    	Yabbut that's easy!  He was referring to Star Trek: The Next
    Generation!
    
    ;*)
    
    Oh, btw, speaking of tanking the rest of the season, would lasted
    night's 5-3 loss (and the 5th in a row) be any indication that there's
    a Carnac or two in dis here sportsbar???
    
    I remain,
    indifferent
    Kev
    

    Isn't Juneau 23, and Iafrate 28?  I don't know much about hockey, but
    it seems to me that in any sport if you make a deal like that to
    rebuild (not to make a run in the playoffs) the player you're getting 
    should be significantly better than the one you're giving up (is that 
    the case here?).  Unless of course you're worried about how much money 
    he's going to make, when he'll be a free agent, etc.
    
    I understand that it doesn't account for ability on the power play so
    it doesn't tell you everything, but even though Juneau wasn't scoring 
    many goals, his +/- was actually slightly better than either Oates' or 
    Neely's.  And this is in a supposed injury-plagued *down* season, for a
    non-physical, non-defensive player.  Is there some missing information 
    here that would account for Juneau not continuing to be a very
    productive player over the next five years?
    
    glenn
      

    
    
    	Yabbut I think lasted night, Juneau scored one goal and Iafrate
    scored 2 or 3 (naturally in a losing effort).
    
    I remain,
    asking what does that mean?
    Kev
    

That's the thing that worries me about this.

Iafrate is old, by hockey standards.

Time will tell, obviously, but I'm in complete agreement about the
playoff outlook --- NIL.


And whoever made the remark about the guys between the pipes was right,
they both suck.


'Saw

    Juneau is 26.  Iafrate turned 28 a couple of days ago.
    
    B's played WAY too wide open a game last night against Quebec.  If
    they're going to do anything, they've got to play a more boring
    defensive game.  Hopefully, they can get on the winning side tomorrow
    against Quebec.
    
    Riendeau does suck.
    
    					Steve

    
>    Juneau is 26.  Iafrate turned 28 a couple of days ago.
    
    Okay; that's not so bad.  Was Juneau in the minors all that time
    between college and his rookie season (last year)?
    
    glenn
    

    The good news for those selling hockey as one of the most strenous and
    demanding cardiovascular sports is that Iafrate is down from 2-1/2 (!)
    to just one pack of cigarettes a day.  Harry was "unaware" of this
    habit... ;-)
    
    glenn
     

    Interesting, the Bs go for help on defense rather than get a goal
    scorer to replace Neely.  So what happens?  The guy they pick up scores
    2 and the B's defense fives up 5.

    Glenn,
    
    I think Juneau was around 24 when he graduated from RPI.  He may have
    gotten his Masters in this time span, which would account for his being
    that age at graduation.  He then played a year on the 92 Canadien
    Olympic team (in which he was the top point getter), before finishing
    the season with the B's in the playoffs.  Last year was his first full
    year in the NHL.
    
    He's got a lot of talent, but I think his skating style is somewhat of
    a detriment, resulting in several broken jaws.  I'm sure the upcoming
    contract issue was a factor as well.
    
    					Steve

    
    
>>>    Interesting, the Bs go for help on defense rather than get a goal
>>>    scorer to replace Neely.  So what happens?  The guy they pick up scores
>>>    2 and the B's defense fives up 5.
    
    
    
    	Yabbut is that anything like laying off salesmen to increasse
    revenue???????
    
    I remain,
    sarcastic????  Nawwwww
    Kev
    

�    Gotsta find an over the hill offensive threat to continue
�    to draw the gullible (not you Slasher!!Never!) fans.
    
�    MikeL
    
	Hey Mike, I love hokey and go to the games for the atmosphere (i.e. 
beer and bimbos).  I believe a slight variation of the Moses Malone playoff 
slogan for the 1983 76ers could serve as the Broons� rallying cry for this 
year's Stanley Cup Playoffs.  To wit: 

			Four.  Fore!  Fore!


				  /Don

    Better make a sign and take it to the Gahden Slash. Dat's Beeyootiful!
    Or do the Broons advocate the Pats' gooostapo going after season
    ticket holders with "critical in nature" signs..
    Great PName..have any mutual funds through ol' John?
    
    
    Yo 'Saw,
    28 over the hill? I don't believe so. Iafrate cain skate and shoot.
    Hey maybe Harry will force Sutter to make him a forward...
    
    MikeL
    

>    28 over the hill? I don't believe so. Iafrate cain skate and shoot.
>    Hey maybe Harry will force Sutter to make him a forward...
    
Oh, I'm not saying he can't, and I remember "old" Lanny MacDonald too.

But I heard one night that while in other sports 30 is considered "old"
that age in hockey tends to be around 27.....


I like what Iafrate adds, but no matter how much you play "katie-bar-the-door"
hockey, if you don't put the puck in the net, the best you can hope
for is a tie.

Casey is a stiff, Riendeau, forget about it.....  Hell, I've seen
Slasher move faster getting to a beer than Casey or Riendeau move trying
to stop shots....


'Saw    

    Just heard Bourque is out for the year.  Same injury as Neely.
    
    					Steve

    I thought it was just a sprain...
    

    Great trade:
    		A city for a river
    
    And a capitol city at that

Watched the game against the Ducks last night.

Noticed a few things:


	o Iafrate is going to help the team, no doubt about it.

	o Don Sweeney must be off his Ridalyn, because he was really
	  flying everywhere out there last night.

	o Casey sucks.

	o Oates is still Oates, and if some of the younger guys can
	  step up, and fill the void left by Neely, Oates will still
	  make the plays.

	o Murray was really good last night.

	o Wesley played really well

	o Casey sucks.

	o That new kid up from Providence, Kneepshits or whateve his
	  name is got his first NHL goal.  It was really pretty skillful
	  too.

	o That Gruden is looking pretty good.

	o Who's the stiff who got into the fight?  Cornhusker or
	  something like that.  Man, is he a throwback or what?


Bruins can play well, if everyone steps up.  But, it's still an early
exit in the 'offs, no matter how you look at it.....



'Saw
	

    I see the Bruins are still killing other teams in the shots on goal
    department (something like 41-18 last night).  Given this, why are they
    being beaten (or when they win, why is it as close as it was last
    night).  Is the goal tending really that bad?  How is Moog doing in his
    new home?

>    I see the Bruins are still killing other teams in the shots on goal
>    department (something like 41-18 last night).  Given this, why are they
>    being beaten (or when they win, why is it as close as it was last
>    night).  Is the goal tending really that bad?  How is Moog doing in his
>    new home?
>

Well, I can't speak for other games, but last night Hebert did a superb
job for the Quacks for a while.   Also, as Derek was fond of saying, 
the puck hasn't been bouncing the Bruins way that much lately.


Last night's game wasn't close, though the score would indicate it was.
Anaheim led 1-0 after one.  Bruins tied it 1-1, and then Anaheim quickly
made it 2-1, then the Bruins exploded for 4 goals.

They gave up a late, late goal in the 3rd to make 5-3....



Moog is not burning up the league down in Dallas, and Casey certainly
isn't stealing the odd game like Moog did for Boston last year.  Personally,
I think that trade was a major mistake...

'Saw

�Well, I can't speak for other games, but last night Hebert did a superb
�job for the Quacks for a while.   Also, as Derek was fond of saying, 
�the puck hasn't been bouncing the Bruins way that much lately.

Keeping in mind my standard disclaimer (I don't watch much hokey), I'm kinda
tired of hearing that.  It seems like Fred and Derek or Bob and Chief or 
whomever are always makign that excuse.  I don't know what the story is, but
it seems like they should be at the point of making their own breaks.

re: Moog

He may be playing as well as he did with the Broons, but without the supporting 
cast his numbers are not as good.  He was one Broon who I really liked - came
to play every game, could carry the club when he needed to.

BTW - So who WAS better, Howe or Gretsky?  I think Gretsky is a much better
scorer, but that how had a better all-around game.

=Bob=

    I think the shot total is due to the high number of shots taken by the
    defense.  The Bruins are more of a slap shot - put in the rebound type
    of team than a playmaking team like the Pens.
    
    Mike

I don't think that Gretzky could carry Howe's jock.   Gretzky is a one-way
player, who makes plays and scores.   Even in his sixties, Gordie Howe
could out-defense ol' Wayne-o.

Nice that he got the NHL goal record (though still not the all time I believe
because Howe scored some in the WHA that are not counted -- could be wrong)
but Howe was much better.   Tougher too.


At any rate, I miss Moog.

�I don't think that Gretzky could carry Howe's jock.   Gretzky is a one-way
�player, who makes plays and scores.   Even in his sixties, Gordie Howe
�could out-defense ol' Wayne-o.
    
    I tend to agree,but they are different players from different eras-even
    though they did play in the same league for awhile. Howe's records were
    attained in a 6 team league with less games overall and many games
    against the same teams which got to know each other's strengths and
    weaknesses intimately.

>    I tend to agree,but they are different players from different eras-even
>    though they did play in the same league for awhile. Howe's records were
>    attained in a 6 team league with less games overall and many games
>    against the same teams which got to know each other's strengths and
>    weaknesses intimately.

Yeah, I'll give you that, but the league was also tougher back then.
Wayne-O wouldn't have stood up to the punishment back then....

�Yeah, I'll give you that, but the league was also tougher back then.
�Wayne-O wouldn't have stood up to the punishment back then....
    
    I agree with that too. Not every successful player of the 6 team NHL
    was big -Rocket Richard is an exception.
    
    Mike Keenan of the Rangers is a throwback to the old days. He  doesn't
    trust anyone under 6 foot 190 pounds.

    Slasher, didn't see you at Satuday's Habs game.
    
    That first period was Boston's best hockey all year.  17-2 advantage
    in shots on goal.  Roy didn't have a chance.
    
    Mark.

    
    
    		Yabbut from the "rumor control department", today's Glob
    and a few of the radion stations are saying that Ass't. GM, Mike
    Millbury is going to announce his resignation from da broons and accept
    the head hokey coach postition at BC.
    
    I remain,
    ::Sprots Occasional nooze reporter
    Kev
    

    Re:  Milbury
    
    The Bruins gain is BC's loss!
    
    					Steve

    Interesting article in Sunday's T&G on the Juneau trade.  It made it
    sound like Joey had written his ticket out of here long ago.  Sutter
    and Milbury were questioning his skating style and how it led to broken
    jaws.  They also questioned his off season conditioning program,
    thought he should be shooting the puck more, etc.  Sounds like Andy
    Moog all over again.

    	RE: Milbury over to BC
    
    	Just means he'll be licking a different size boot (Gladchuck's
    instead of Harry's).
    
    				/Don

              <<< Note 98.425 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    Interesting article in Sunday's T&G on the Juneau trade.  It made it
>    sound like Joey had written his ticket out of here long ago.  Sutter
>    and Milbury were questioning his skating style and how it led to broken
>    jaws.  They also questioned his off season conditioning program,
>    thought he should be shooting the puck more, etc.  Sounds like Andy
>    Moog all over again.
    
    Yup, that Worcester T&G is right on top of things...yessiree, Bob..
    
    This was reported in the news and Boston rags for several weeks. News
    does travel fast out to Worcester.
    
    Mark.

�    Slasher, didn't see you at Satuday's Habs game.
    
�    That first period was Boston's best hockey all year.  17-2 advantage
�    in shots on goal.  Roy didn't have a chance.
    
�    Mark.

	How does that Who song go... "Won't get fooled again".  I was at 
the Garden last year when the Broons� allowed the Habs one shot on goal in 
the third period during a 2-0 late season victory.  I was in Montr�al when 
they dominated Les Canadiens to win the Adam Division (another meaningless 
banner), and I was at game 2 of the Buffalo first round playoff embarassment 
(along with you), to see them lose when the games really counted.  Talk to 
me in early May.

				/Don

    Mark, it was a wrap-up of the Juneau saga.

    Saw an interview with Harry this morning about Millbury going to BC. 
    He said he was shocked when he heard the news.  When asked if Mike
    might come back to the Bruins in the future (there were rumors Mike was
    being groomed for the GM position), Harry said he (Mike) made his own
    bed on this one.

    
    
    	Yabbit just a nit about Millbury,
    
    Somebody in one of these here notes stated that Mike had 10 years with
    the Broons.
    
    WRONG!
    
    More like 20 years
    
    hth
    
    I remain,
    also knowing he's 42 years old
    Kev
    

    Kev,
    	Apparently he's been asst gm since '89, coach for a few years
    before that, Minor league coach?, I think for some years and then about
    10 years as a player, give or take.
    
    	The 10 years I used was ex-player but 1974 sounds about right.
    
    I remember him joining the bruins and being ex-walpole and being
    friends with many walpolites - (not cedar junction, mac :-)) I heard
    that he was not a star at walpole in hockey but solid.  "A better
    football player" was one comment.
    
    Also, I believe his brother worked for digital.  I played a little
    basketball with him; quiet guy rather not typical of that old crew (Saw
    and Mac would've fit right in as those basketball games had a rugby
    style about em).
    
    And of course Ceglarski has Walpole roots, coached the high school ne
    champs circa '58.  And of course Songin and Joe Morgan and a few from
    '60 Olympic team.

re: Milbury
I doubt he'll have any regrets down the road.  He's a bright guy, 
who will always do fine, inside or outside hokey.  In fact he is 
probably bright enough to realize that workin' for Harry wasn't gonna
get him anywhere, since as long as Harry was around, he (Harry) would
be pulling the strings.

BTW - I beleive his brother still works for Digital, in a pretty high 
      level finance job (he's also on the board of DCU).  I went to grad 
      school with his other brother - great guy...

=Bob=

>BTW - I beleive his brother still works for Digital, in a pretty high 
>      level finance job (he's also on the board of DCU).  I went to grad 
>      school with his other brother - great guy...

Well, looks like one of them had the sense to get out of a bad organization
then....8^)

'Saw

	Millbury just didn't want to be GM of a Pro Hockey team. He was
assistant GM for two years and just got ticked off. Some of the quotes from
the paper. When you have 3rd and 4th line players along with 5th and 6th
defenceman, coming in with outrageous contract demands it just get tiring.
	Millbury played the game because he loved it, the players today
play for the money. Millbury didn't want to be part of the "new wave" of
hockey. Give me the money now, then I'll score 20 goals for you. Millbury
left ~1 million dollars on the table when he left the B's. He was scheduled
to make ~350K for the next 5 years with the B's. He's going to BC for only
150K a year. Granted his 4 kids now get free rides at BC also.

Ron

	Boy is this team in trouble!  Watched the last period and the OT
	last night.  They've got two work-a-holics in Sweeney and Oates,
	but the rest of the team has already got tee times phoned in.

	Can you decline a playoff spot?  It could be the only way this 
	club can save face.


	billl

    your sandbaggin it billl. Can't let 'ya get a way with it that easy.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	Nah, no TC*'ing, er I mean sandbaggin' going on here.  Now if'n
	I was talking 'bout the Pens you would be correct.

	You obviously havn't seen the Broons play lately.


	billl

    
    I was wondering how billl could be accused of sandbagging on the
    Broons.  Figgered it musta been some double-reverse-negative
    sandbagging for the Pengoons.  Musta been some funny Unix logic TC* was
    using that a sales rep couldn't possibly understand.
    
    brews

  >> logic TC* 
     ^^^^^^^^^
    
    Ah brews, you have, wittingly or unwittingly, penned a new oxymoron.
    
    Kudos,
    MikeL
    

   > Ah brews, you have, wittingly or unwittingly, penned a new oxymoron.    
    
    As a salesrep, it that's a good thing, I did it wittingly; it it's a
    bad thing, it was unwittingly.
    
    brews

Hey, how much does Jon Casey SUCK?  I mean, the guy is like a sieve.


Just wanted to get that off my chest,
'Saw

    
    
    
     Casey = Peters
    
    

    	One of the rumors circulating is that Swillbury took the Boston
    College job because after a meeting with Jacobs he was convinced
    the owner would not spend the money to make DaBroons� a Stanley
    Cup contender.  My take on this is that Swillbury was upset when
    he saw that Jacobs doesn't kick back some of the money he saves
    by signing marginal NHL talent then yearly raising ticket prices
    to the general manager, but rather pockets all the profits.
    
    				  /Don

Hopefully the Bruins won't meet the Pens in the playoffs. Need a team
that will make the Pens work a bit.

The Crazy Met

The Bruins will probably end up facing Buffalo, and go out in 5 games.

Casey sucks.  I mean, this guy sucks so bad he's pulling 5 Torr.  That's
how bad he sucks.   Riendeau ain't that great either.  So without any
good goaltending, even if Borque comes back the Broons are history.

The chances of them meeting the Pens are slim indeed, as long as they
Pens win the Division....


'Saw

    	Craze, you ain't gonna be so cocky when the Miami Panthers put
    a quick and sudden end to the Stanley Cup hopes of a certain Broadway
    team...
    
    				  /Don

	/er, since when has something like that ever stopped him?



	billl

�    	One of the rumors circulating is that Swillbury took the Boston
�    College job because after a meeting with Jacobs he was convinced
�    the owner would not spend the money to make DaBroons� a Stanley
�    Cup contender.  My take on this is that Swillbury was upset when
�    he saw that Jacobs doesn't kick back some of the money he saves
�    by signing marginal NHL talent then yearly raising ticket prices
�    to the general manager, but rather pockets all the profits.
    
    The hockey beat writer for the T&G laid all of the money issues at the
    feet of Sinden in a recent article.  He says Jacob would spend the
    money as long as Sinden OKed it.  Harry is the tightwad.
    
    Also in the article it listed Harry's requirements for the new GM.  The
    guy should not buckle under to salary demands from players, the guy
    should be willing to step in and tell the coach what to do on the ice,
    and the guy should pretty much do what Harry says.

    
    I'm a little confused.  I thought the NHL took up a NBA sytle playoff
    system instead of the old 4 from each division.  Is that not true, the
    previous notes suggest it is the case.
    
    Marc
    

/er ain't no team like the Miami Panthers!

The Crazy Met

/er ain't no team like the Miami Panthers!

The Crazy Met

    TCM, do you find that you are repeating yourself lately?

The playoffs are similar to NBA -- two division winners and 
the next 6 best records.

But, it would appear that with Boston and Buffalo having 91
points, and Washington (7th best of 8) having 82 and Florida
79, that the final two spots will be out of their division
and they won't (probably) catch Boston and Buffalo.

That would equate to the top four in each division making
it, for this year....


'Saw

    	Man did anybody see that picture of Al Iafrate in the Globe
    yesterday?  He looks like he would be right at home in a British
    punk rock band.
    
    				 /Don

    Al Iafrate= Joe Strummer
    
    
    Rat on /er
    
    MikeL
    
    

    And if anyone has today's Boston Herald,
    
    New Broons forward Marius Czerwaski(sp) from Europe is a diad
    ringer to Roger Daltrey..
    
    Strummer and Daltrey on the B's.
    
    MikeL
    

    Any bets on when the Worcester T&G will have a scoop on this
    late breaking Iafrate/Strummer story?
    
    Mark. 

    
    
    How bad does Casey suk??

    
>>>    How bad does Casey suk??
    
    
    	only Dickstah knows and he ain't tellin!
    
    
    ;^)
    

I'm having a hard time making an intra-sports SUCK comparison between
Greenwell and Casey.

Greenwell is pulling about 3 Torr these days, his hitting helping to keep the
overall "suckage" down.   

However, Casey has hit an all time low-pressure on the Chainsaw Suckage
Scale, reaching a record 7 Torr......


In short, Casey, Jon Casey, sucks!


'Saw

�    Strummer and Daltrey on the B's.

	Good to see the B's starting to cater to the Revere Big Hair Crowd 
considering the amount of money they spend of the team.  And I also really 
do believe that Jacobs would spend any amount of money to make the Broons� 
a Stanley Cup contender and the problem is Harry.  He's a swell owner and 
I'm now actually looking forward to giving him more money for next year's 
tickets!

				/Don

Didn't see the game on Saturday where they were embarbassed by the Lightning,
but I did hear that Casey was pulled for the 3rd time in four games.

Then, later on the news, I see someone give the stiff an award.  

What gives?

How much does this guy suck?


On the other hand, I'll give Riendu some credit for yesterday's 3rd period,
after Sutter decided that not only would they play "Katie Bar the Door"
hockey, but that they'd bar the windows, bar the chimney and sit cowering
in the closet hockey....

If Riendu hadn't have made a couple of sterling saves, they'd have left the
City of Brotherly Love with only one point.....


Casey, on the other hand, totally sips through a straw....


'Saw

    I'm a Bruins fan, but at the rate their going and after watching
    Friday's Pens'/Devils game, I think the Devils could go all the
    way this year - they're playing great hockey!
    
    
    :^)

    DEBILS NEED ANOTHER SNIPER.... 

    	Sutter ain't a coach.  He looks good in a suit and doesn't
    criticize management when they make a move solely based on the purse
    strings.  Of course these qualities are paramount when the
    Sinden/Jacobs team select their man.
    
    				  /Don

>    	Sutter ain't a coach.  He looks good in a suit and doesn't
>    criticize management when they make a move solely based on the purse
>    strings.  Of course these qualities are paramount when the
>    Sinden/Jacobs team select their man.
    

So how much does he suck?

I've thought long and hard about this, and based on his getting rid of
Moog simply because Moog wouldn't bend over for him, Sutter debuts
on the Chainsaw's "How Much Does it Suck" Scale and an unprecedented
4.995 Torr.

He was almost into Maureen territory except for the good points /Don
mentioned above.....


'saw

    
    
    This is a little off this subject line, but I heard the Adam Oates was
    caught in a compromising position at a rest stop by a State
    Stormtrooper and he was in the company of a male friend.  Is there
    any truth to this or is this a combonation of rumor and Eddie Anvilhead
    imagination??
    
    finding this all hard to believe
    Jerry
    
    Ps Also was reported that Adam sent flowers to NK on more than one
    occasion and she bad mouthed him or something
    
     

    Urban Legend.

    <<<        <<< Note 98.470 by CAPNET::LEFEBVRE "PCBU Product Management"
    <>>>
    <
    <    Urban Legend.
    
    So was Silky Sullivan.   One of the few Boston Horses to be a serious
    derby contender.  Way back around '60 but still remembered by certain
    august personnages.
    
    I think Carry Back won the derby that Silky would have contended in.
    
    Of course Cheesie had a horse a few years ago that had a big 2 year old
    campaign but never went for roses because some injury.  Dr Fager I
    think. 

So, was Marouelli on drugs last night or what?

That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen -- and to be blunt,
he hosed both the Habs and the Bruins.

What was the deal with the 10 minute misconduct for the elbow he didn't
even see?  How lame was that?

Talk about officiating affecting the outcome of the game, he seemed to
be trying his hardest to do that.

Best part was when Reid flattened him.....


'Saw

wonder if the league will take a look at the kicks that Roy gave
one of the Bruins late in the 3rd.

The Crazy Met

|wonder if the league will take a look at the kicks that Roy gave
|one of the Bruins late in the 3rd.

Probably not.  He's in the strata just below Mario LeMux and Wayne-O.
He could decapitate someone by slashing them if he wanted and not get
too much hassle for it....


'Saw

	Yes, He should have called a penalty with 1 minute left when Roy
kicked a Bruin while he was down. It doesn't matter if it is sent to the
league. When was the last time someone got suspended during the playoffs?
At most they will suspend him for 1 game at the start of next season.

Ron

    	You know as I was watching Montr�al beat my Broons� last night
    I was wondering what could I possibly root for if the Rangers played
    the Canadiens?  Two plane crashes?
    
    				  /Don

Hmm, I didn't realize that Bruins fans had such strong feelings about
the Rangers.

The Crazy Met

    	Not necessarily the Rangers Craze, just New Yawk in general.  8^)

    Slasher, YOU are such a VANE!!!!  (I remember what you said Friday
    night!)
    
    My other comment:  The refs in the NHL are paid off.  They have to
    be.  After last night's game it leaves little doubt.  Too bad Dave
    Reid's run into Dumbbell Dan didn't knock any sense into him.
    
    j

    	Jo, I think you must've misinterpreted what I said.  Just how
    many of those drinks did you have anyway?
    
    				  /Don

    Slasher,
    
    You told me that you didn't think the Broons would make it past the
    first round.
    
    Yesterday, you said you were back on the bandwagon, complete with
    your Broons cap.  :^)
    
    Cath and I were laughing at what a VANE you were! 
    
    jo

    Onliest reason /er is back on the bandwagon is cuz he's only got
    a ticket for the B's fourth home game so he needs the B's to
    take it to 7!
    
    MikeL
    

actually what /er told me is that he wants the 4th Bruin home game
to be against the NY Rangers, so at yesterdays game he obviously
believed that the Bruins would beat the Habs. Talk about someone
not interested in fessing up.

The Crazy Met

�    Slasher,
    
�    You told me that you didn't think the Broons would make it past the
�    first round.

	I said I didn't think I could make it past the first round (of Bass 
ale), but fortunately my second wind kicked in.  And Craze, go back over to 
the 1940 note and wax poetic about your team of overachieving millionaires.

				  /Don

/er by your definition it is underachieving.

The Crazy Met

	Hey Leary, I'm glad your buddy Brian Burke isn't a judge.  "Listen
    Charlie Manson, if you kill just one more person there'll be hell
    to pay!".  What a wuss!  Course I must admit relief that the league
    didn't suspend Glen Wesley for hitting precious Patrick in the skates
    with his shoulder.
    
    				  /Don

    /er, when was the last time ANY pro got suspended for
    a play-off game?
    
    REK

 maybe my brain is rusty but didn't Parrish get clipped for a game for
 knockin Whinning Bill out in the playoffs?

 mike

    Did Hextall get suspended for whacking a guy or two in the shins?
    

    Burkey's always been a political main Slash. He musta bowed to the
    pol pressure from Mt St Royal (they don't want anudder riot up there
    on Rue de St Catherine's like in 1955 when CC suspended the Rocket).
    He did tell Sinden that he felt that Roy deserved a match penalty
    but that's all he was gonna do. That musta made Harry real happy.
    I think Burke read the riot act to the supe of refs(Marouelli sips).
    Po' Brian, he said "Montreal has been warned.". Sheesh Bettman musta
    applied the pressure from above. Weak Burkey,weak...
    
    But ah ain't upset about that. Here I read that Burkey was at the
    Broons-Habs game on Monday night and he didn't gimmee a call for free
    tickets and beer! A_course he prolly did and I was at the stoopid
    Bosox game with you jamokes listenin' to motormouth Doc.
    Serves me right!
    
    MikeL
    

Burke's okay.

What I'm hoping is that he's enough of a purist to keep Bettman from
turning the game into a three-ring circus, with shootouts and cheerleaders
and team mascots prowling the stands....

Bottom line, what it comes down to however, is that Roo-wah is one of the
Chosen Few, part of the Brat Pack lead by Wayne-O and Mario "Work When
I Want" Lemie-Ux, and will be coddled no matter what.   I mean, he only
kicked Glenn Wesley, for crissakes....  It wasn't like he kicked one
of the Brat Pack.....


'Saw

    That was one physical game entre 'guins and caps last night.
    
    The holding is getting out of hand though.

re: suspension

Adam Graves in the 1991 playoffs. Of course the incident did involve
cry-baby Mario.

The Crazy Met

|Adam Graves in the 1991 playoffs. Of course the incident did involve
|cry-baby Mario.

If Mario "I Play When I Want" Lemie-UX had been a man, he'd have sucked
it up and played, and no one would have cared about it...


'Saw

    REK, so also Dale Hunter.  
    
    Mark.

    Hextal was suppended 5 games at the start of the next season... I
    thought... I didn't think Hunter was suspended in the play-offs...
    
    REK

    	So will Sutter really start John Blue in game 3?  Kind of proves
    my point about what kind of coach he is [LOUSY].
    
    				  /Don

>    	So will Sutter really start John Blue in game 3?  Kind of proves
>    my point about what kind of coach he is [LOUSY].
    
Hell, why not?

No one, and I mean no one could look as lousy as Casey did on goals 2 and
3 Monday night....


'SAW

    
    
     I expect Vinnie to start game 3 tonight fwiw.  Most people thought he
    should have started the series anyway.  I'm not Sly's mom but if I look
    into my crystal ball Casey will be playing somewhere else next year. 
    Playing Blue would be a mistake, give Vinnie the start he's earned it.
    (Not that Blue would be bad but he has been gone awhile).  I think the
    B's are going to come out flying tonight and win a close game 4-3/3-2
    type.  If they can get home ice back they're in good shape.  Iafrate
    has to reintroduce himself to Mr. Keane, yea he was on his heals when
    that weasle hit him but gottsta save some face.  
    
    Does anyone know if we get the same officials again.  I forget if they
    work the entire series or just the first 2/go to another series (when 
    the teams move).
    
    Jerry

the officials don't necessarily work consecutive games. likely
a different set of officials tomorrow. (isn't the next Bruins-Mtl game
on Thursday??)

The Crazy Met

Yeah, Habs-Broons is tomorrow night.

We've been really stiffed with the refs so far.  Marouelli could screw up
a wet dream. 

And Casey, man, Casey is up to about 14 Torr right now as we speak....


'Saw

    
    Ah yes, master of bs Jacques Demers is pumping up his Habnots for the
    dreaded Broon monstahs. He's spouting off to the Montreal Gazette
    that he hears vicious rumors that the B's intend to cause
    StPatrickdeRoy bodily harm. StPat says he will not be deterred by
    threats and Demers is concerned about possible Broon goon  tactics.
    What caused all this? The Bruins stating that they have to try and set
    up shop to tryand obstruct HolyRoy's view. Gee isn't that dirty!!
    But the master Jacques has declared "Guerre!" in Montreal..
    
    
    Oh and Jacques and InnocentePatrice deny any "kicking" of Glen Wesley.
    Demers claims that Roy was only pushing Wesley away with his skates,
    not kicking him.  StPat claims he was just trying to protect hisself
    by "shoving" Wesley to one side with his foot. Yea and I suppose
    Carbonneau was trying to protect his knee from Wesley's groin by doing
    the Confiteor Deo genuflection into the 'nads...
    
    MikeL
    
    

    Just heard on WBZ radio Roy is out with accute appendicitis(sp)

    RE: .503
    
    
    What a shame!  <insert healthy dose of sarcasm here!>
    
    jo

    I never saw a cute appendix.

	Mommy!  Mommy!  My tummy hurts.


Or for Patrick:

	Maman, maman, j'ai mal a la gorge...


'Saw

how long is Roy out for?? if it is only a very few days then it is
once again a plot by the hockey gods against the Rangers.

Watch Roy come back to face the Rangers in the next series (assuming both
teams get there - not at all clear) and be rested and totally dominate
them.

The Crazy Met

    Ya know Craze you'se getting mo' sickening with every reply.
    
    If,God forbid, every other NHL team got involved in a disaster
    and the Rangers had to face a plethora of farm teams, you'd still
    be sandbaggin'.. What a putz!! 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

this is fun!!!!!

The Crazy Met

>                       -< That's mal a l'estomac, 'saw >-

Nah, we learned in french that it's either the gorge or the ventre, and
I couldn't remember which....

I think it's an idiomatic expression....  Or idiotic, as most french
expressions go....8^)




    

    RE: .508
    
    AMEN!
    
    Makes you wonder if he ever heard the term:  Put up or SHUT UP! 
    
    j

> Put up or SHUT UP! 
    
done that before.

The Crazy Met

>>> Put up or SHUT UP! 
    
>>done that before.

>>The Crazy Met

	You obviously mean the "Put up" and not the "shut up".


	billl

 Yo Bill hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa.........

 any confirmation that Roy is actually out besides a radio station? I mean
 DJ's aren't exactly the most reliable sources around........

 mike

bruins notesfile has info that this was confirmed on WBZ radio.

The Crazy Met

	Roy has been put on some antibiotics. After more tests are run
they will decide if his appendix is removed tomorrow. If he has it taken
out, he will be out 2 weeks.
	I've had my appendix taken out the pain in your lower abdomen is not
fun. Roy is crazy if he doesn't opt for the surgury and have it taken out.
You can die if your appendix ruptures.

Ron

    
    >>I never saw a cute appendix.
    
    I knew a guy once who took his wife to the doctor cause she was sick,
    the doc did tests and told the guy that his wife had acute angina,
    
    the guy replied
    
    Yeah, and nice boobs too, but what the hell's wrong with her?????
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

With Roy gone the Bruins have no excuses to not win this series.
Agreed MikeL???

The Crazy Met

    	Unlike YOU Craze, I'll step up and say that without Roy the
    Broons� should win this series.  Course that just sets up a thrashing
    by the Gotham Millionaires in the next round.
    
    				  /Don

/er bfd, I'm waiting to hear MikeL say that.

The Crazy Met

    bruins win 6-3

    What a difference an appendicitis attack makes.  B's would have been
    real hard pressed to win this series with Roy in net.  There's no doubt
    that the Bruins should now win if Roy is definitely out, which I would
    believe he is.  I've never heard of an inflammed appendix being cured
    by aid of prescription medicine.
    
    The Canadiens just don't have the Oates or Bourque type of player which
    is the difference in the two teams.
    
    					Steve

    	Rooah will make a miraculous game 4 comeback on Saturday and
    the series will go seven games.
    
    				/Don

	I ain't no doctor, and I've never played one on TV, but I've
	never heard of a case of acute appendicitis that was even attempted
	to be treated with antibiotics.

	Somebody's full of do-do here...

	billl

    Bill mah man,
    
    "...full of do-do here..."
    
    I agree!  This past summer my Mum had her appendix burst and it was
    not a pleasant thing for her: almost 2 weeks in the hospital in some
    severe pain.
    
    If Roy was as bad as they claim I can't imagine him playing Saturday
    night.  Either that, the media is exaggerating the facts.  (Nah, they
    wouldn't do that, would they?)
    
    jo

On a brighter note than Roo-Wahs index, uh, er appendix, is Glenn Murray
a stud or what?  Man, what a work ethic.

And Freddie Knipsheer....man he's almost the Chainsaw's new favorite Bruin.

There was some good work going on last night, except for about 6 seconds
in the 2nd period.


And, hey, does Iafrate look like a crazed dog when he's got his game
face on or what?


'Saw

    Take notice Craze
    
    If Roy is out for the series, Bruins should win. No hedge, no ifs.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    Mebbe they are trying to see if'n they can get another game or two out
    of Hooo-ah (reminds of the saying Pacino had in that movie where he's
    the blind sob that drives the Ferrari) by using medication instead of
    putting him under the knife.  IF they operate, he's out for sure.
    
    Either way, Broons have this one in the bag (see how to do it, TC*).
    brews 

    "I hope for Patrick's sake he's not sick"
    
    Harry Sinden on his expecting Roy in goal next game

    Well I Roy comes back on Sat., tell the Broons to aim for the solar
    plexus! All's fair and all that rot... 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

    
    
     Anybody else think that Knipsheer should continue to dress and if
    Sutter feels he needs Huscroft in the lineup tomorrow night (he just
    might) he should scratch that waste of air Hienze?  
    
    Jerry

    
    knipsheer looked real good. Po' Heinze is starting to remind me
    of Bob "The Matador" Sweeney. (BC stiff  8^).
    
    Line of the day at the gas station this AM
    "What the hell was Tugnutt doing on those two long goals?" "Tugn'it"
    
    
    MikeL
    
    

I don't think Heinze is so bad.  I think you get more out of him in 
a series like this than Huscroft.

The B's need performances like Knipsheer and Murray last night.  They
don't need fists against Montreal.

Knipsheer is good.  I like him...

Oh yeah, I'd give the reins to Riendeau until he screws up.  


'Saw

>    knipsheer looked real good. Po' Heinze is starting to remind me
>    of Bob "The Matador" Sweeney. (BC stiff  8^).
    
Wasn't it Heinze who set up Murray on the 5th goal?    If so, that was
a sweet play....

Or was that Reid?

    I thought it was Reid.. of course I was sipping on a Grant's Scottish
    Ale so I could be wrong.(don't all hokey players look alike?).
    
    
    MikeL
    

I get those lines mixed up.

I know Reid penalty kills, but I though Reid was on the line with
Smolinksi.

Doesn't Knipsheer center Murray's line?

Or do I have it totally f-ed up?


'Saw

    'Saw,
    
    Murray's line usually consists of himself, Jozef Stumpel and Brent
    Hughes.
    
    jo

    
    ...It was Hughes who set Murray up, I think.
    
    ...Mel

Oh, okay.

Then I stand corrected on Heinze.  It was HUGHES I was thinking of.

I'm sorry.


At any rate, definitely keep Knipsheer, and lose Huscroft, until we
play the Rangers or the PenGoons....

'Saw

    I believe it was Hughes that set up Murray.  If Heinze could develop or
    at least attempt a wrist shot once in a while, ala Leach, Murray and of 
    course Neely, he'd be far more effective.  All he ever does is wind up 
    and more often than not it gets blocked.
    
    For the most part, Hughes was basically taking up ice out there last 
    night.
    
    					Steve

That shot by Murray for goal #5 was a sweet shot though, especially once you
saw what he had for net.   

And the earlier goal, where he worked his butt off, tying up two guys
each time, forechecking was classic hockey...

I almost fell off the couch when Knipsheer scored.  That was a helluva
goal, even though Tugnutt shouldn've had it...


'Saw

 well /er, what da think of Sutter's bold prediction that "the Canadians
 can't play with us". Is he stupid or a man's man like Nolan????

 mike

Personally, I think the whole Roy appendicitis thing was something cooked
up by that Weasel Faced Jock Demers to pump them up....

Shick sucks -- he's one of the absolute worst, only better than Koharski....


'SAw

    I think Sutter's comment was refreshing. Overall, the B's have
    outplayed lesOgres in every game. Patrick"Dieu" Roy has won two games
    for the C's. Sutter is correct and not stupid at all. Hey, we all
    saw how "fired" up the Habs got when StPatrick rolled off the
    ICU bed to suit up. Wow, the Habs got so fired up they came out
    and got totally outplayed by the B's. Maybe Sutter will get the Habs so
    fired up that theu come out like a house_a_fire and get stoopid
    penalties. Great move Brian.. the Habs need to play disciplined,
    position hokey to win and pray for Roy to be unstoppable. Here's
    hoping they play out of their element, po'd at Sutter. But I'll
    tell ya, nothing's gonna change.. Demers might have printed out
    Sutter's comments for the players, but this Habs team really cannot
    play with the Bruins..so it'll be katey bar the door and pray for
    Roy to be big.
    
    The Bruins did themselves no favors in losing Game 4. They did a
    lousy job on the 3rd Hab goal (second Hab goal in the 5-3), and
    disappeared for the last 3 minutes of period 2 and let Carbonneau
    sneak in to make it 4-2. Two or three defensive lapses by the
    B's did them in. Overall they controlled the game but that gets ya boo
    if you don't put the puck in the net. Roy was outstanding..
    And Shick is terrible. I still can't believe that call on Oates.
    First Schick tells Oates to watch for the interference (StPatrick
    musta bitched) and then calls it on Oates who with Roy was clearly
    2 feet outside the crease. Hell the defenseman was shoving Oates as
    well..bogus call.  Oh well, Sinden's outlook was priceless.
    Harry was axed why he was taking it so well. He responded that he'd
    seen it all up in the Forum for 20 odd years and nothing surprises
    him anymore.
    
    MikeL
    

    Harry may have seen it for 20 years but it's been going on much longer.
    
    nhl is a league created by montreal for montrealers first, canadians
    second and an occasional fish is thrown to the American teams.
    
    This is supposedly going to change with the new guy but it hasn't yet.

    	Hey I hope the series goes 7 games.  Now that Pittsburgh has
    screwed up my chance of seeing the StRangers in the next round a
    7th game with Les Habitants would be a nice alternative.  Hey stop
    getting on Shick.  He's just doing his job.  Now that we've got
    an NBA marketing guy running the league we couldn't have Adam Oates
    goal ruining the "Miracle on Saint Catherine's Street" slant on
    game four.  If Shick allows that goal he works the rest of his career
    in the ECHL.  By the way I told you so about Rooah making a "miracle"
    appearance in Saturday night's game.
    
    				  /Don

/er, Pens haven't screwed up your chances yet.
btw Buffalo could screw up your chances as well.

The Crazy Met

	Oh darn!  Here I was anticipating a night watching the Pens on NESN
	with their backs to the wall, and some guy goes and gives me tickets
	to the Broons.  What's a fellow to do?


	billl

billl, since the Rangers closed out the series you should give me the
tickets. see that was easy.

The Crazy Met

	No problem, Craze.  Be waiting outside for me.  



	billl

where should I meet you??

The Crazy Met

	South station.

    Roy starting in goal Saturday night was about the most predictable
    happening since the annual "Foreigner wins Masters"

    Well MikeL, Tommy, /er, Canadians have just won 2-1 after being outshot
    58 to 30-something. Bruins apparently outplayed the Canadians for the
    whole game. But Roy was in goal and the Canadians won. Still want to
    tell me that being very concerned about the Canadians is unfounded????
    
    Go ahead you geniuses lets hear it.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    How's the Habs-Broons series stand?????
    
    JaKe
    

    Habs lead 3-2, game 6 Wednesday in Montreal.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    see what happens when your coach starts talking crap?? insert foot in
    mouth sutter...
    
              stig

    Every word of what Sutter says is true, except in the goaltender
    department.  The Bruins thoroughly dominated play until the overtime
    when they were too afraid to make any mistakes.  Roy had to make maybe
    3 tough saves in the overtime period, and they were all in one flurry.
    Habs caught a break when their first goal went in off a falling Glen
    Wesley's skate.
    
    Can somebody explain to me why Dmitri Kvartalnov isn't suiting up at
    all when the Bruins are streetpedaling for goals?  
    
    					Steve

>                      -< Casey played an excellent game. >-
                          ^^^^^

In a word, the reason why the Bruins are down 3-2 in games.

With any small amount of luck this guy won't be wearing Bruins black
and gold next year.....


'Saw

    
    I agree that Sutter's words are still true. The Canadiens sat
    back on their heels, relying on Roy to keep them in the game
    until the B's made a mistake.
    
    I doubt very much that the Canadiens could have done anything
    more if they wanted to to contradict Sutter's words.  The Broons
    simply dominated for 2 1/2 periods.   The last half of the third
    and OT was even. Hughes made a bad clearing pass in the OT and
    bang it's over.. Casey played well, hell, LeClair's goal banked
    off Wesley's skates. Roy was outstanding and the B's shooters
    make him doubly so. Hard workers and they bust their tails, were
    all over the Habs, but just about all of them couldn't put the
    puck in the ocean. 
    
    It's a mental thing now. The B's gotta believe Roy is invincible.
    But they seem to play well in the more open ice of the Forum.
    Ain't over yet.
    
    MikeL
    

	Some thoughts from rinkside last night...

	The final talley for SOG was 61-36.  Roy was very good, but most
	seemed to hit him square in the chest.  Casey got a little sloppy 
	at times, but got away with it mostly.  I attributed it to the 
	fact that the majority of play in regulation was in front of Roy.

	What the hail was in Sutter's mind when with 30 seconds to go in 
	regulation, the Broons dump it into the Habs end and for some 
	inexplicable reason he calls a line change.  We're talking the
	last thirty 30 seconds of the freaking game and this dope is
	worried about a line change.

	If Casey is the standard for 'Saw's TORR scale that Wesley needs
	a scale of his own.  He was without a clue last night.  Twice he
	checked a Broons player as they were trying to make a line change.
	He really looked lost when he was in the game.

	They really need to post the scores to other games more than twice.
	I was going crazy wondering how the Pens were doing.  At the end of
	the second period of the B's game they post a second period score
	in the Pen's game and not until half way through OT do they get 
	around to showing the final.  (At which point I jump for joy, 
	getting strange looks from everyone else in the section, since it 
	was a TV timeout in the B's game.)

	All things considered last night's game was some fantastic hockey.
	Looks like both Black and Gold teams have their backs against the 
	proverbial wall now.


	billl

I don't care how good Casey was last night, and I confess I had drill and
didn't see the game, but overall, based on this season's performance the
guy has got to go.

I think they keep Wesley because he scores every once in a while.  It
surely can't be because of his defensive ability.

And I've often wondered why they pair Roberts and Shaw, both of whom are
pretty slow.  Granted, at 36 Roberts has enough experience to be the
wiley veteran defenseman, but pair him with someone fast....

"My Kingdom, my Kingdom for a goal scorer....."


'Saw

 > Well MikeL, Tommy, /er, Canadians have just won 2-1 after being outshot
 > 58 to 30-something. Bruins apparently outplayed the Canadians for the
 > whole game. But Roy was in goal and the Canadians won. Still want to
 > tell me that being very concerned about the Canadians is unfounded????
    
 > Go ahead you geniuses lets hear it.
  
   I don't remember saying much of anything about this series, Craze. It
   seems that the same illness that had you thinking the Isles/Ramgers was
   a great rivalry has clouded your judgement on this issue as well. 
    

    Tommy, wake up. I meant that you were all complaining when I said that
    as a Rangers fan I would not be thrilled about them having to play the
    Canadians, because of Roy; nothing to do with the Bruins.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Some more history for my man Tommy.
    
    1986, round 3 of the playoffs - conference finals.
    
    Rangers vs Canadians
    
    Candaians win the first two games at home. Game 3 goes into OT. Ragers
    are completely dominating play and blistering shots on goal. Roy makes
    one phenomenal save after another. Canadians score and win. Rangers do
    win game 4 but then lose game 5 in Montreal. It was that performance in
    game 3 that basically decided the series.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    >> I meant that you were all complaining when I said that as a Rangers 
    >> fan I would not be thrilled about them having to play the Canadians, 
    
       Well then pardon me for thinking that you had/have no credibilty 
       because you said the exact same thing about the Isles and we all 
       saw what happened there. Compared to you Chicken Little was a 
       pragmatist.
    

    What is that basket that Roy is wearing on his left hand?  A fishing
    net.  Why do they let them use those things.
    
    Bruins never change.  They think a volume of shots from bad angles, 30
    feet + will eventually result in something going in.  Maybe for
    tugnut(sic) but not for patrick or elite goalies.
    
    They have to learn to make and finish a play which has some logic or
    design - it was painfully obvious that bruins had to lose even to young
    phillip who produced the only serious bruins chance when he said a
    prayer.  He then lost interest and habs had a typical canadian style
    goal (nothing for 5 minutes then bang,bang).

    and here I thought that when faced with facks like last nights game
    Tommy would see the light. Silly me.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
  >> and here I thought that when faced with facks like last nights game
  >> Tommy would see the light. Silly me.
    
     If you mean you expect me to conclude that because Roy handles the
     Neely-less Bruins (not that Neely is *the* difference here) that
     he'll handle the Rangers with equal ease, I can't. The Rangers'
     skill people are far better than the Bruins'. Kill the sandbagging, 
     Craze. It's gone beyond nauseating to the point where I'm beginning 
     to think that you actually need help.    
    

> where I'm beginning to think that you actually need help.    
    

I thought that was evident a looooong time ago. What took you
so long to figure it out. As I said earlier get a clue.

The Crazy Met

 With goaltending being probably the biggest part of the game I still find
 Sutter's comments stupid and uncalled for........

 mike

> With goaltending being probably the biggest part
                         ^^^^^^^^

who the heck you kidding?? most important, unquestionably! A hot
goalie can steal a series, no other position can have that kind
of impact.

The Crazy Met

> With goaltending being probably the biggest part
                         ^^^^^^^^

> who the heck you kidding?? most important, unquestionably! A hot
> goalie can steal a series, no other position can have that kind
> of impact.


 jump on anything that will keep your sandbaggin theories alive huh?

 a hot scorer could be just as damaging I would think.......

 ;^)

    
    	I've been a Canadiens fan since 1964, and I have to say that the
    Canadiens/Bruins rivalry is equal to any in sports.  Period.  It's
    always a battle and a thrill to watch.
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
    

    yabbut, don't ya think the Bruins could have picked a better role
    model, in their performance against their bitter rivals, than the Red Sox??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	I know it was late and all, there TC*, but I don't get 98.577.


	billl

Tonight's do or die.

I'm NOT wearing my Bruins hat today, since I wore it for the last
two losses....


'Saw

	If by some miracle both Black and Gold teams pull this off,  do
	they play each other in the next round?


	billl

>	If by some miracle both Black and Gold teams pull this off,  do
>	they play each other in the next round?

I don't know.

I've been assuming that the Bruins would get the Rangers, but I'm probably
wrong.


Sanity check:  the formula for the next round is highest seed remaining
versus lowest seed remaining etc?


'Saw

	Sutter is a terrible coach.  His answer to any problem is to work 
harder.  That philosophy doesn't always prove true, especially in the 
playoffs where coaching ability, or lack thereof, can make the difference 
in a series.  Craze, speaking of scalding goaltenders, hasn't the StRangers 
goolie allowed only 3 goals in 4 games?  That's less that a goal a game 
average!  Looks like if the StRangers score 2 goals a game against the 
Canadiens they're looking at another sweep.

				    /Don