Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    So, does anyone have any opinions on who the Jets might draft with the
    third overall pick?
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    Yo JoJ_NOT,
    
    	Riddle me this.  How did the Jests wind up with the #3 pick?
    	How does that jive with .0? :*)
    
    Claybroon

JoJ, ya been listening to WFAN?   That was a hot topic for a while.

The fans mostly want someone on defense, and they are worried that
the Jests will pick someone like that monster OT from Washington.

I heard Coslett yesterday afternoon on WFAN, talking with Mike and the
Mad Dog about the upcoming Miami-Buffalo game.   They asked him who
he was gonna take #3 and he avoided the question (what else could he
do).


They gotta go wif defense......and it should be an impact player!


'Saw

    I think they'll make a typical Jests pick and grab someone like
    Torretta.
    
    Brews

    Typical Jests pick would be Garrison Hearst, the next Blair Thomas.
    

>    Typical Jests pick would be Garrison Hearst, the next Blair Thomas.

Fans were going bonkers about stuff like that on WFAN.

If the Jests make a stupid pick, then watch for the Bruce Must Go signs
to be out in force nexted season.

They'll want the GMs scalp too (but I cain't think of his name....)


'Saw
    

    The Jets need an LT type defensive end. 
    
    They also need an Emmit Smif type RB.
    
    Hearst may be a good pick, but I think they should go for defense witht
    he #3 pick.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    Is an LT type defensive end the kind that plays linebacker?
    
    8^)
    Brews

    Hey JoJ_NOT,
    
    What the Jests need is to bring back J_e Walt_n!!!!!
    
    Also what the Jests need is a Dallas or San Francisco style team.
    
    Wholesale change, keep nobody.
    
    JaKe
    

    JaKe, you guys had Joe "BrainDead" Walton in PittsburgH. We had him in
    NY...I think it's time the Donks had a chance at him, don't you?
    
    JoJ

    Nah, JoJ
    
    Let him go back to Head Coach(see, Dirty Knees), for the Jests.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    anybody else suspicious about -.2 replies?  See anythang unusual?
    Do we chalk it up to forgetfulness or doth we have a "intruder"
    in our lockerroom?
    
    
    I remain,
    ever an eagle eye!
    Kev
    

    Well, JaKe, the Jets have had their fill of ol' Brain Dead. 
    
    And Kev, no intruder...just a minor mistake on my part, sorry...
    
    Mrs_JoJ (a.k.a. JoJ_NOT)

    
    Mrs. JoJ...   HA !!!  And thats about right too...  Wardle-Vane isn't
    much of a manly man...  More like a Girly Mon !!
    
    BG

    Looks like the Jets are gonna go after Bono and Okoye.
    
    They need a solid RB, but Okoye isn't the right guy for this team. They
    need someone quick and powerful that can catch...like Emmitt Smith.
    
    But, Bono would really help them out.
    
    JoJ_not

    
    >>Looks like the Jets are gonna go after Bono and Okoye.
                                             ^^^^
    They going after Cher, too?????
    
    
    JaKe
    

     Already had her :^)

    "Dreamer, silly little dreamer" (stolen from a song, but it fits -.1)
    
    JaKe
    
    

     Too skinny

    Jake, love that p-name.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

 But didn't you tell us Mrs_Not that Nagle was the second coming of Montana
 what gives???

 BTW tell that big Merck exec you're married to that my aunt ordered Big East
 tickets for us........

 ;^)

Heard on WFAN yesterday that Dennis Byrd is going home to Tulsa (or
whereever it was in Oklahoma) for more therapy on an outpatient basis.

He walked into the press conference unassisted on crutches.

I believe the term miraculous could be used in this instance.....


'Saw

Yup Byrd walking was a great thing to see.

The Crazy Met

    Hey, Joj_NOT,
    
    What does JOJ think about the Jets trading for Boomer today?
    

�    What does JOJ think about the Jets trading for Boomer today?
    
    Is this for real?  If it is that's very interesting.  It was reported
    in AMERICAN_FOOTBALL that Reggie White said he'd talk to the Jets if
    they signed a veteran QB.

    Lets see Ronnie Lott, Leonard Marshall, Boomer Esiason and very
    possible Reggie White.  I guess we know one team thats putting some
    money on the line to put together a winning team next year.  Miami
    and Buffalo are already good teams, the AFC east could become a very
    competative division if the jets keep improving.  The pats are making
    a couple moves but Ive seen nothing about Indy ????  The Jets will be
    playing a easy schedule this year (im assuming do to there bad record
    last season) They could go far this season :-)...

    Is Boomer officially a Jet...or is it a rumour? If so, the Jets are to
    be congratulated, cause they're doing a great job attacking this
    free-agency market. I was hoping Uncle Al would be leading the way, but
    now I'm starting to wonder if he hasn't lost a step or two?
    
    Carloski
    

 Why do I keep thinking California Angels everytime I hear of another
Jets move????????

Jets play Buffalo, Miami, NE, Indianapolis twice each
They also play the teams in the NFC East - Dallas, Wash.,Phil,Giants,Phoenix

I assume there other 3 games are against weaker teams, but they don't
have that weak a schedule.

The Crazy Met

                                
   > I was hoping Uncle Al would be leading the way, but
   > now I'm starting to wonder if he hasn't lost a step or two?
   
    C'mon, Carlos, according to Uncle Al this NFL free agency system will
    lead to the ruination of western civilization.  You wouldn't expect the
    owner of the impoverished Oakland/Los Angeles/Irwindale/Rancho Cucamonga
    Raiders to be actively pursuing free agents at the same time he's
    trying to scrape together the Coliseum rent money, would you (I
    would!)?
    
    ;-)
    glenn
    
                         

    Speaking of Irwindale....I'd bet that generous $10M contribution of
    theirs to Unca Al would just about pay for Montana's contract for two
    years....heck!....if Bucky's worth it, so's Joe.
    
    Carloski
    

    -3...WOW, that stinks.  They look to have a TOUGH schedule this year.
    1/2 there games are against Playoff teams from last year ????? They 
    will need help.  Of course many expected them to do much better last
    year then they did, so if they come around this year plus all there
    additions (if they land R.White) they could easily keep pace with
    Miami and Buffalo.  The pats wont be on top of the AFC east this year
    and I think Indy is confused by this Free Agency stuff :-)
    
    To many things going on, whens draft day ???
    								MaB

Jets got Esiason for a 3rd round draft choice - good deal.

Nagle and Esiason will contend for the starting QB job.

Ken O'Brien was told the Jets will make a deal for him so he can
go to a team that he will get playing time on.

Getting Esiason may help in the White sweepstakes.

The Crazy Met

 >   Ken O'Brien was told the Jets will make a deal for him so he cango to a
 >   team that he will get playing time on.
    
What would the Jets do with an 8th round Arena League draft choice?

�Jets got Esiason for a 3rd round draft choice - good deal.
    
    I still can't believe that's all they had to give up to get him.

Jets are lucky Lou Gorman is not their GM. He likely would have suspected
a trick.

The Crazy Met

    Hey Nazz, what do you think of Dick Steinberg now?

	Reggie White indicating he was pleased that the J-E-S-T-S picked up 
Boomer per his request issued his list of demands that must be met prior to 
his signing on with the team...

	10. J-E-S-T-S must relocate from Medowlands to a stadium that's an
	    easier commute.

	 9. Fair for Lincoln Tunnel must be reduced.

	 8. Abolition of the city income tax.

	 7. Yankees must sign Jim Abbott to a long term contract.

	 6. Reverend Al Sharpton must lose a minimum of 20 lbs.

	 5. WPIX must broadcast more free Yankee games.

	 4. Knicks must trade for an established point guard.

	 3. Free guest spot on The Howard Stern Show.

	 2. Mets must trade Bobby Bonilla

	 1. JoJ's season tickets must be revoked.

Jimbo said that Boomer has always been his second fav QB next to Kenny O but 
after last year Nagle became #1 QB in his list. 

Suprisingly he didn't predict a SB victory yet. 

Jeff

    To keep the netpolice at bay, I'm entering this note for JoJ..as he
    wrote it.
    
    Mrs. JoJ
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    To Slasher, Childs, Riggen, Walt, and the R.O.N. Jets fans...
    
    Picking up Boomer was a great move. He's an excellent QB and excels
    under Coslet's offensive scheme. Reggie White had nothing to do with
    the acquisition. The Jets were negotiating with Boomer since January,
    and when the Bucs let Testaverde go, the Jets sweetened the offer since
    they thought Boomer might go to Sam Wyche if they didn't move fast.
    
    If they get Reggie White, they will have a truly awesome defensive
    line. Plus they still get a high draft pick and are likely to pick a
    defensive impact player.
    
    I've always liked Esiason. Not as much as Kenny of course, but
    B-B-B-Boomer and the Jets kind of reminds me of a song.....
    
    I still think they need a real running back. Thomas is a stiff, Baxter
    is solid but they need a breakaway runner to be in there with him.
    
    The receivers are still world class. They'll miss Toon, but they still
    have three of the better receivers in the league.
    
    FWIW, I expect that they'll make the playoffs this year, and
    considering the rest of the AFC stinks, they could get to the Bowl.
    If they get that far, they'll win it.
    
    JoJ

    JoJ asked me to post this....
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    
    The Jets made a very slick move trading down with Phoenix. JJ is a pro
    bowl RB and will work out very well with the new Boomer offense. They
    were able to pick up JJ and still get the linebacker they wanted.
                                                                     
    The Jets will absolutely contend for the division title this season.
    The Bills are still the team to beat, but they are vulnerable. Miami is
    the only other obstacle and the Jets seem to have no trouble with them.
    
    See ya in the Super Bowl,
    
    Joe Wille

    
    Yo!
    
    Jets seem like they's competing with the Bosox for the 'oldest'
    category....
    
    Saw a car today with Mass plates that read " NY Jets". Pretty cool
    but the dude was up to his pinky's 2nd knuckle up his probiscus.
    
    8^),
    MikeL
    
    Sorry I missed JoJ and Riggen out in Coloraddy!
    

�   Saw a car today with Mass plates that read " NY Jets". Pretty cool
�   but the dude was up to his pinky's 2nd knuckle up his probiscus.

Joe Walton has moved to Mass!!!

Actually, who isn't a second-nuckler on a solitary drive?  Kinda like askin' 
who didn't "know" Rosie as a teenager...

=Bob=

>
>Actually, who isn't a second-nuckler on a solitary drive?  Kinda like askin' 
>who didn't "know" Rosie as a teenager...

I'm convinced that, after singing along with the radio, nose-picking
is the most practiced technique while in the car.....


snag that nasal oyster,
'Saw

    
    Speaking of unmentionables 8^), the famous Seinfeld masturbation show
    is on tonight.
    
    
    
    

    
>>I'm convinced that, after singing along with the radio, nose-picking
>>is the most practiced technique while in the car.....


>>snag that nasal oyster,
    
    The best game to play is to, after snagging one, try and fling it on
    the windshield of the car tailgating ya.  Makes a mess when they turn
    on the windshield wipers, worse than a bug.  Either that, or try and
    hit pedestrians wif them.
    
    Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
    
    JaKe
    

    
    >>           <<< Note 69.47 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>
    >>                                -<     >-
    
    Left ya speechless, eh MAC, er is this "noterisms" fer you hurling on
    you're keyboard?????
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    
    

Jake,

Why on earth would you flick a perfectly tasty sinus oyster out of your
car?


'Saw

    
>>Jake,

>>Why on earth would you flick a perfectly tasty sinus oyster out of your
>>car?


>>'Saw
    
    Only do it if it's after scratching the ol rectum, cause the finger
    imparts an odd taste to the sinus oyster.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Jeez, I make a poifectly sarcastic comment about correlating a NooYawk
    Jetster wif a disgusting habit and lo and behold, this conversation
    goes in the hanky, so to speak...
    
    MikeL
    

Oh, okay.  I got ya.

You had me wonderin' there for a minute.....


'Saw

>    Jeez, I make a poifectly sarcastic comment about correlating a NooYawk
>    Jetster wif a disgusting habit and lo and behold, this conversation
>    goes in the hanky, so to speak...
    
Well, we can call it the Joe Walton Memorial Sinus Oyster Discussion.....

Then it ties into da Jests.....


'Saw    

       At least your having this discustedsion in the correct note!!!!
    
      Tim

    Is this the real jets note, or a replica ???? I think the jets made
    some great moves, Johnny Johnson is a great player, he held out and
    the coach made him pay for that, and from that point neither of them
    were happy with the other, I think all he needed was a change of 
    atmosphere, and the jets will give him that.  The jets lost nothing
    by dropping a slot with phoenix,  they got the player they wanted and
    picked up a much needed running back, excellant move.  Now phoenix 
    didnt real lose here either, they got rid of an unhappy player and
    his salary and replaced him with the player they watned, Id say they
    lost out but accomplished what they wanted, now could they have got
    Hurst anyway ??? Dont know, but if they could have got him with the #4
    they would have been able to trade away Johnny Johnson for some picks
    and got a little more for there money.  I dont know why teams dont just
    wait and see what happens, if they jets had picked Hurst with the #3,
    then attempt to trade JJ and the #4 pick to the jets for Hurst ??? Do
    teams not wait for this for a reason ?????
    
    Oh well great move by the jets, good move by phoenix, could have been
    better.  The jets are trying to make a move this year, I hope it pays
    off for them , I dont want to see Buffalo and Miami on top again this
    year, Id rather see NY and Indy battling for the top...
    
    								MaB

    More from JoJ...edited and posted by yours truly...
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    
    How bout those Islanders!!!!!! 
    
    And, the Jets re-signed Hasty after a sleaze move (attempted) by Cincy.
    No matter, the Jets retained the future pro-bowler. You dudes will
    laugh and think "oh, just more JoJ rhetoric", but the Jets really are
    much improved and barring too many key injuries should contend for the
    AFC East title. 
    
    In fack(tm), /Don even complimented the Jets' moves in a mail message
    (I cain prove this fack). This could be a very big year for NY...the
    Knicks, Isles, Yankees, and Jets all have a real shot at their
    respective titles. No one cares about the Knicks tho'. 
    
    Right now I'm just rootin' for a New England nightmare...Yankees in the
    WS, Jets in the SB. Wouldn't you sorry New England fans just love that?
    
    JoJ_by_proxy

      Haven't we heard this speech before?
    
      I think the record is stuck, stuck, stuck, stuck stuck..............
    
      We will see how good they are on day 1 against the might donks!
    
      Tim

    	JoJ will have to do a lot of creative editing to my mail to
    get a compliment for that SadSack J-E-S-T-S team.
    
    				/Don

    	Primetime Live had a segment about Dennis Byrd and family last
    	night. He seems to be doing well.
    
    	He will walk onto and off the playing field under his own power
    	this week end at the Jets home game.
    
    	He seems like a nice guy. I was glad to see him moving about so
    	well.
    
    	Scott

    What is so special about this Byrd guy anway.  It's not like he's the
    first football player to suffer a cervical injury.  NBC even handed him
    a job.
    
    There are a bunch of nobodys out there who have suffered similar
    injuries who are more in need of the publicity (and money) than Dennis
    Byrd.  I wish they'd spend a little more time on those folks.  If
    anybody would like to help some of these regular folks, let me know.  I
    know of a few organizations that help people in this area.

    I saw the special and enjoyed it.  Mac, Byrd is starting his own
    organization to help these folks.

    He's a nice guy... geniunely nice... he didn't bellyache and say "why
    him"... he worked hard to get to where he is now?  What's so bad about
    that?

Mac

A lot of times when I see them at races, I ask the wheelchair racers why they 
do it (it's kinda dangerous, and training is brutal).  Many reply "well I was 
watching such-and-such a race, and saw the competition there, and got inspired".

Maybe by seeing Dennis Byrd, someone with a spianl cord injury will become 
inspired to push themselves in some way.

=Bob=

    All I'm asking is why him.  Why not one of those wheel chair racers? 
    Why not Darryl Stingley?  Why not a rugby player?  Why not a car crash
    victim?  And why did NBC just hand him a job?

    CBS gave hime the job, not NBC, right?
    
    You'd have to ask CBS why he got the job... 
    

    I figured it was NBC since he's an ex-AFCer.

Probably because Byrd had a chance to beat it.  His injury didn't leave
him in a chair.

Mike Utley, last I heard was still pretty much bound to his wheelchair.

Plus, Byrd was the second in a short period of time.  Probably public
sentiment was primed....


Who knows....
'Saw

>
> How do you measure faith? 
>

With a tape measure.  The Frederick's catalog will tell you how to measure
for bra size, waist size and hip size....


I remain, a tailor in training,
'Saw

It's money Mac.

If a network thought that they would possibly get .000001 rating point higher
by having Dennis Byrd doing the announcing then they'd offer him a job...

Luckily Byrd is pretty well spoken for a football player and he might actually
do well at this job. 

Is Ditka announcing or doing a halftime show for some network? Why do you think
Magic Johnson (even though he's basically unintelligible) was announcing the
NBA playoffs? 

$$$$ and it rules the networks and sports broadcasting....

Metz

�> How do you measure faith? 

Oh, she's the one who does the news on the Today Show, right?

I remain looking for the Fredricks's catalog.

=bob=

    Faith might be in the Victoria's Secret catalog too.

    Hey MAC,
    
    KWITHCHERBITCHIN'!!!!!!!
    
    There's been zillions of "human interest" stories like Byrd's thru the
    years, but as was stated back in here somewhere, Byrd has come a long
    way and maybe seeing what he has done will give somebody the courage to
    put forth the effort and work towards just wiggling their toe, or
    whatever progress is for them, instead of giving up and remaining
    completely paralyzed, or whatever their situation leaves them.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    I suppose he'd prefer to have him on welfare instead of "working"
    at a tee vee station too!
    
    I remain,
    a po' po' laborer....
    Kev
    

    Yeah Mac, get over in 126.* where you belong!

    Don't be fooled by Boomer's repectable stats on Sunday. Most of his
    yardage was attained against a prevent defense. He didn't make the big
    plays. Johnny Mitchell looks good. Ronnie Lott looked old. Leonard
    Marshall was invisible. Elway toyed witht he defense.

    
     Boomer set a record against the Donks...  Most yards for a QB in an
    opener with a new team...  
    
    BG
    
    I HATE THE PREVENT !!
    
    

    Jets beat the Dolphins 24-14 in Miami. Jets always play well against
    Miami so this game may not mean anything more than a 1-1 record.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    re: Mac
    
    Byrd is deserving of whatever has been handed to him. As is the case
    with any ex-Jet. Heck, he had the honor of wearing the Green and White
    so this TV gig doesn't count for anything after that.
    
    
    re: Big Joke...er, Game
    
    The Donks were lucky. Boomer is awesome. As soon as he realized he had
    Rob Moore to throw to, he put some big points up.
    
    We saw Boomer do two things we haven't seen since Al Woodall...he threw
    a ball out of bounds when no one was open to avoid the sack or
    interception....then, yesterday, he was "in the grasp" and threw a
    perfect pass to that ever livin stud muffin Brad Baxter for a big gain
    and turned nothing into something.
    
    And...the Jets as a whole didn't get too conservative with the lead
    yesterday for the first time since Weeb Ewbank. They actually threw a
    pass for a TD to increase the lead...!!!!
    
    I figure by now you all must be as excited about the Jets as ol' JoJ
    is. Especially FrankWa who misses Ray Handy_Man and Walt who has an
    official Freeman McNeil jersey with the wrong colors.
    
    Next patsy for the Jets (pun intended) is New England on Sunday night
    football...two weeks, be there!  Too bad Slasher cain't make the game
    in the Gaaaden State. He has to go watch two grown men in their
    underware hug each other in the middle of an auditorium or somethin...
    
    So, tune in in two weeks to Sunday night football as the R.O.N.'s NY
    Jets crush Drew Bleed_so and the Pats. Watch as Bill Parcells "has
    another donut" and loses it over his most excellent loss to be.
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - Official Disclaimer - this was paraphrased from an original
    document authored by the real JoJ. This is not an Official JoJ note.
    Any attempts to prove that this is an official JoJ note will make you
    look like a girly mon.
    

>               -< Jets hot and streaking to the AFC East title >-

Kind of like green diarrhea????



JOJ_Not,

Has JoJ heard from Dan "I'm a little teapot" Schneider lately?  If so,
what is he up to, and is he still in fine Dan form?

If you're talking to him, tell him the 'Saw says hi......


'Saw

�Has JoJ heard from Dan "I'm a little teapot" Schneider lately?  If so,
�what is he up to, and is he still in fine Dan form?
    
    He's probably still in a coma induced by the Yanks signing Wade Boggs.

    We (the JoJ's) haven't heard from Dan since last Xmas. He called the
    house on Xmas night and met JoJ at the upcoming Jets game. 
    
    Now that the Jets season is underway, JoJ expects to hear from Dan in
    time for the Miami game.
    
    Will have JoJ say "hi" to him for the 'Saw.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Tell JoJ to do more work that requires printers so I can do a site
    visit.
    

>    Tell JoJ to do more work that requires printers so I can do a site
>    visit.

Walt has a good idea.

Also, JoJ should know that I have a whole new crop of Metal bands to
discuss with him, but the Scorps are still right up there....

Metallica ROOLZ!


'Saw
    

    For awhile, JoJ was regularly tuning into 89.5 FM, aka Pirate Radio.
    Pirate Radio plays a solid diet of Metal....but lately, he's reverted
    back to the 70's. Must be having flashbacks....he said to put the
    following line in the notes for 'saw regarding the Scorps:
    
    "who you jivin' with that Cosmic Debris?"
    
    and then he went off mumbling something about goin down to St.
    Alphonso's or somethin....the 70's were wierd.
    
    JoJ_NOT

>
>    For awhile, JoJ was regularly tuning into 89.5 FM, aka Pirate Radio.
>    Pirate Radio plays a solid diet of Metal....but lately, he's reverted
>    back to the 70's. Must be having flashbacks....he said to put the
>    following line in the notes for 'saw regarding the Scorps:
>    
>    "who you jivin' with that Cosmic Debris?"

I used to catch Pirate Radio on the way home from rugby games.


The 70's?   All that Jive Talking, Staying Alive and stuff like that?


    
>    Alphonso's or somethin....the 70's were wierd.
    
The 70s were indeed weird.  You had three choices -- metal, disco,
or Southern Rock.  I chose 1 and 3.

You also had to decide whether to wear the cranberry shirt with your
brown leisure suit or the lime green shirt......


'Saw

    
    	JoJ loved the 70's cuz stacks (shoes) were in fashion.  It
    	made him look taller.
    
    Claybone

                     <<< Note 69.87 by PARVAX::WARDLE_M >>>
                            -< the poodle bites... >-
    
    ...the poodle chews it.

    	JoJ loved the 70's because it was the last time the Jests had a
    competitive team.
    
    				/Don

    
    <<< Note 69.88 by CAM3::WAY >>>
	
    �    Alphonso's or somethin....the 70's were wierd.
    
    That would be 'St. Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast House',
    
    'Where I stole the margarine ...' !!! (Zappa's Apostrophe album).
    
    - acp

    re: .92
    
    Yeah...I know...I was just trying to draw the few Zappa fans (which are
    eclipsed by the Jets fans in here) in here outta da woodwork.
    
    
    Well, Slasher, you're gonna be paying up that first spack of Sammy's as
    JoJ'zzzzz Jetzzzz crush Bleed-so and the Patsies nexted Sunday night.
    
    joj_NOT

     "Where I wheedled on the bingo cards and blew up the latrine"
    
    
    
     "They're so light and fluffy white
      We'll make a fortune by tonight!"
      They're so light and fluffy brown,
      They're the finest in the town!"

    Ask JoJ why he wasn't at the Ground Round lasted night...
    

    	Hey JoJ_Not, just remember that the Pats have come through for me
    the last two years.  Or did JoJ forget the case of Molson I drove back
    from the Medowlands with two years ago?  I had a very, very Merry
    Christmas with that case.
    
    				/Don

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH(tm)

    DOUBLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)

    Jets got lucky, you know that... holding here, funmble there.. good
    spot here... pass int. there...
    

    Walt, Walt, Walt...you're just cranky because Barry Sanders was a weak
    fantasy pick this year...(3 td's...ha, you'd be better off with Brad
    Baxter).
    
    Now, lets get to the troof. The Jets let a couple of wins get away, but
    finally learned how to close out the game and get the W. They'll smash
    the Fish this weekend and get back to .500. 
    
    They have a good chance at finishing 10-6. 
    
    BTW, no need to be a Giants apologist. They playes sloppy, the Jets
    won. It's as simple as that.
    
    JoJ

>    Now, lets get to the troof. The Jets let a couple of wins get away, but
>    finally learned how to close out the game and get the W. They'll smash
>    the Fish this weekend and get back to .500. 
>    
>    They have a good chance at finishing 10-6. 

I guess someone in the Wardle house decided to inhale....


>    BTW, no need to be a Giants apologist. They playes sloppy, the Jets
>    won. It's as simple as that.
    
Giants played a good game between the 20s.  Lack of Red Zone production,
tight Jets secondary play, and one horrendously stupid play by
William "Call Me Hulk Hogan" Roberts cost the Giants the game...

Coslett makes Walton look like a Rhodes Scholar.....


'Saw

    
>>I guess someone in the Wardle house decided to inhale....
    
    Or has been reading too many of HAL's notes.
    
    JaKe
    

      The Jets finally win a game,  and Wardle shows up in here.  They
    lose, and before ya know it,  the old modem is broke until the next
    Jets victory...
    
      Hth
    
     Tim
    

    Jets rolll over the hated Dolphins 27-10. 4-4 record. Next 5 games
    are against the Colts (2), Pats, Bengals, Redskins. Jets have had a
    history of losing games they should win. They will be probably be
    favored in all 5 - certainly in 4 - games. If they can win games they
    should they could be 9-4 or 8-5 and in playoff contention.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I think the Jets are still in this baby as well.  If they can at
    least split the Indy Games they should take out NE and Cinncy, although
    Cinncy has to win sooner or later.  But I beleive they will be at 8-5
    coming down the home stretch, but what a stretch it is, Dallas, Buff
    and Houston.  If they beat Buff and 1 other its playoff bound.  Just
    think theyve obviously lost a couple they should have won, Den, Phil
    and the Raiders were all very winable games for the Jets.  They should
    have been fighting for the Division this year instead of for the
    playoffs.  But the AFC has alot of good and bad teams so some teams
    will win 10 games without beating a decent opponent (NYG :-) ).  It
    should be intresting, Boomer is my FFL QB so I hope he keeps on rolling
    them out...
    
    Wont know anything early this year :-)
    
    								MaB

      The Denver game really wasn't winable.  They were down by 20 and the
    prevent defense let them score what they did.
    
      Tim

	Jests sign DeBerg!  Parade in January!

	Kevin

>                     -< 39 years old?  Play for the Jets! >-
>
>
>
>	Jests sign DeBerg!  Parade in January!


I thought it was Miami who signed him.


'Saw

�I thought it was Miami who signed him.
    
    Why would Miami need DeBerg when they have Tommy Hodson?

>    
>    Why would Miami need DeBerg when they have Tommy Hodson?
>

I dunno, but I was doing one of the one-ear on the radio things on the 
way in from lunch, trying to keep from spilling my large D'Angelo's
lemonade out of the bitchin' cool Coca-Cola large Polar Bear cup, and 
the WFAN news guy was saying something as I was going around the corner,
and I thought it was Miami, but I could be wrong.....


'Saw

	'Saw,

	You're right, it is the Dolphins.  I heard it the same way you did,
	just kinda listening to the radio.  My mistake.

	Kevin

That's cool.

I had to pick it up on Mike and the Mad Dog on the way home....


The jests...hmppphhh....8^) 8^)

    None of the above...it's the Jets who are smokin'!!!! Jets play, in
    order: Colts, Pats, Bengals, Colts, Deadskins.
    
    That should put them at 9-4. Then, one win over either the Oilers,
    Bills, or Cowboys will deliver the 10-6 record and probable playoff
    spot.
    
    Boomer is awesome. One of the top QB's in the game. Watch him pick
    apart the Dolts this weekend.
    
    I wish Schneider was around to partake in this discussion...his
    objectivity regarding the Jets would have convinced you all that the
    Jets are for real and have a good shot at unseating the Bills in the
    AFC East.
    
    JoJ

    JoJ
    
    What do you know about football?  Didn't the donks beat up the
    jests this year?
    
    btw I haven't received a copy of JOJ in a long time.  Did I 
    finally get off of your distribution list?
    
    Frank "mmd" Mendez
    

Frank,

We all know that's not REALLY Jim Wardle noting in here.  We realize
it's Marie, his wife, and she's just forgetting to put the _NOT on the
end of the signature.

I mean, the moderators integrity would never knowingly or willingly
let JoJ himself participate....


hth,
'Saw

    Yes Denver beat the Jets in week 1 by a whopping 6pts, what a huge
    victory.  This is a team with many new faces, they went out and grabed
    some good players, Im actually disapointed in Johnny Johnson
    performance I thought he'd be playing alot better.  They got a new TE,
    they lost a top WR (Toon) and In come Boomer, they needed a few extra 
    games to get it together.  The Philly game(lost by 5) and the Raiders
    game (lost by 4) were both comebacks by the other teams, the Jets D
    let them down.  But with there upcoming schedule they have a great 
    shot at hitting the 10Win mark, its funny to think that you might need
    10wins to make the playoffs this year in the AFC ????  The AFC has 7
    teams with better then .500 marks and 3 at .500 so one team with +.500
    record wouldnt be in the playoffs in the afc, yet the NFC would have
    3 4-4 teams fighting for a spot... ??? 
    
    With Cleveland in disaray, and Montana unstability the jets still have
    a shot... Cleveland dropping out of the picture will open it up for
    someone....
    							MaB

but the Jets were losing by 20 at one point against the Donks.

The Crazy Met

      The prevent defense let the jets back in it.  It wasn't do to Boomer
    for the most part.  The jets have only beat 1 team over .500, right?
    
      Tim

    The Jets have only beat 1 team under .500 for there 4 wins.  They Beat
    Miami both games (one with marino one without), they beat the Mighty
    NYG and then the pats(dont count).  The Teams theyve lost too have a
    combined 21-11 record !!!!! and 2 or 3 of them could/should have been
    wins (I know's you can what if should have could have every team).
    The teamms theyved beat have a combined 18-15 record still above .500
    even with the mighty 1-8 record of the pats....  Thats a 39-26 scedule
    to this point....6 teams go to the playoffs and right now 7teams have a
    better record then NY, but Miami without Marino, Cleveland with no QB,
    KC with no Joe are all unknown.  Plus the Raiders are no way a giving 
    to make the playoffs....
    	AFC East Buff, Cent Pitt, West KC
    	WC  Miami, Jets, Houj
    (Pitt and Hou will tie so no sure on the Tie Breaker at this point).
    Miami could get edge out by some tie breaking rules but too early to
    tell at this point ... This is just my WISHES, this is how I would
    like to see it...
    							MaB

      You see the Jets in the playoffs before the Broncos?  Of course they
    do have a easier schedule.  I'm assuming this based on their 4th place
    finish last year.
    
      KC maybe.  Thier defense has to hold together.  Krieg won't take them
    to far.  Oilers are still up and down.  They are the team to be
    watched.  If they forget about there owner/mngrs,  then they can be the
    comeback team.
    
      Tim

    
    
       Well with the Raiders currently at 5-3 and they have games @Cincy
    and home with TB and Seattle. thats 8 wins plus an easy 1 with Denver
    :-). Thats nine, they own the tiebreaker over the jests. Plus they will
    probably sneak out one of the following KC, @SD @BUF @GB.
    
    
    Chappy

    re: .122
    The Raiders won't beat Seattle. Chris Warren will rush for 150 yds in
    the victory.
    
    re: everybody else
    
    Do not underestimate this Jets team. They'll be 9-4 after this 5 game
    stretch and a serious contender for the division.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    
         Already beat them Seachickens in Seattle. Same outcome in LA trust
    me!
    
    Chap

    They could be if they spend their time playing Indy and NE half the
    time...

    Well I just plain dont like Denver so no way will I predict them to
    be in the playoffs.  I forgot about the Raiders winning the TieBreak
    with jets (first is head to head right) so that could be a problem.
    But hey all the jets have to do is win 10 or 11 games instead of 9
    or 10 and there in :-).  Anything can happen, but Hostetler hasnt
    proven to be the Raider's answer at QB, there wr's are average at best
    and I cant figure out who there starting RB's are from week to week.
    SD is  1 or 2 upsets away from changing all of this, but again who
    is there QB ?????  If they start playing Means more... who knows.
    Its still kind of early, the only thing Id say is if you hit 7Loses
    your out.... I dont think 9-7 will cut it in the AFC this year...
    
    								MaB

	Given the fact that Joisey will now have less money when the 
governor elect starts slashing, I came up with an idea to raise revenue for 
the state.  Why not put a special sales tax on Jests season tickets?  When 
you consider the amount of money spent on sanitation and police staffing 
for a Jests game to prevent the Medowlands from looking like a post Rodney 
King verdict South Central Los Angeles, it seems only fair.  What does JoJ 
think about this Marie?
    
    				/Don

      Actually/unfortunately the WR's for the faiders are their only bright
    spot for the offense.  They have speed and can sometimes catch the
    ball.  With that combo,  they usually get 2 td/game from that combo. 
    They don't have a decent RB or running game....
    
      Tim

    Well the Jets have moved in playoff contention earlier then I thought.
    Lets say Buffalo/Pittsburg/KC take the division's.  Miami owns first
    WC and then NYJ, CLEV, HOU, DEN and Rai are all at 5-4 so head to head
    would mean nothing in a 3 or more tie breaker situation.
    
    Houston Plays Cleveland so one of them will drop to 5-5.  SD VS Rai
    could go either way so the Raiders could drop to 5-5, plus Pitt plays
    Denver.  So after next week its very possible the Jets could own a
    WC spot (of course they NEED to win the easy games Cinncy, NE, Indy)
    and theyll be at 8-4 (and then Wash) so 9-4 and the above teams have
    a few games VS Each other that someone has to lose.
    
    This isnt even taking into effect that after this week Miami has to
    play Dallas, NYG, Pittsburg and Buffalo so Miami is not a lock yet
    either.... (Jets in the Playoffs, I hope they take out Buffalo).
    
    								MaB

    Jets finish with three sure losses.  Best they can hope for is 9-7, and
    I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats beat them in a couple a weeks.
    
    NAZZ

    Oh ya 3 straight losses.  They have Dallas, Buffalo and Houston.
    The same Houston that lost to SD, LA Rams and NO..  And Buffalo just
    got man handled by Pitts burg.  The first NYJ VS Buff game was when
    the jets were out of sync and they still only lost 19-10, plus 7 of
    Buffalo's pts came on a 61yrd Interception returned for a TD.....
    The jets threw 2 Interceptions and lost 2 fumbles that game as well.
    The Jets have a great chance at 9-7 and a good chance at 10-6.  Many
    teams still  have a shot, I just Like the Jets chances at this point.
    Again there only 1 loss away from not making it.  If they lose to Cinn
    NE, indy or Wash they can almost pack there bags early for sure....
    I think they have a good enough team to get thru these 4 lesser teams
    and by then it may be too late for many others....
    
    								mab

    Yeah, and the Pats can win 9 straight and finish at 10-6 with a shot at
    the playoffs.

Y'all went too far, thised time.

In week 13, the Jets play the Pats. I found a_error in this here logic
;-).

TTom

    Well they just beat the NYG, Miami and Indy 3 in a row. (a combined
    16-11 clubs).  There next 4 games are against teams with a combined
    6-30 record.  -1, can you honestly say that the Jets should lose 1
    of there next 4 games.  Cinncy has to win sonner or later, but this
    is a Win in most eye's, then you have NE (there last mtg was 45-7
    when the jets were not playing that well) and then Indy and Wash.
    They may split those last 2 putting them at a tough 8-5 record with
    3 games left.  The Buffalo and Houston game's are in the air at this
    point, but the next 4 are more important.  9 wins could still make it
    (Tie breaking) but 10 should get them in there... If they can just
    hang in there and with the next 4 (easy games) they'll be in damn good
    shape.  If after they lost to the raider's someone said they were going
    to win 3 of there next 4 games people would have laughed them right out
    of this notes file.  But they beat the Giants and then completed the
    sweep of Miami.... They are for real...
    
    								MaB

�    Well they just beat the NYG, Miami and Indy 3 in a row. (a combined
�    16-11 clubs).  
    
    Some would say the NYG are playing above their heads.  Miami is playing
    without Marino.  Indy?  come on.
    
�then you have NE (there last mtg was 45-7
�    when the jets were not playing that well) 
    
    Yeah, right.  The Jets scored 45 pointes but "were not playing that
    well".  The Jets were firing on all cylinders and Boomer was picking
    the Pats apart.  The Pats are not the same team they were when beaten
    by the Jets.  I hope the Jets are taking the Pats as lightly as you
    are.
    
�and then Indy and Wash.
    
    But up above you imply that Indy is a tough team.  Which is it?

   >> then you have NE (there last mtg was 45-7 when the jets were not 
   >> playing that well) 

      Apparently, you think that the Jets can score *twice* on every 
      possession and *not* give up a meaningless score late in the game.
      That's about the only way they could improve on their first game a-
      gainst the Pats. And I noticed the same thing that Mac did about 
      Indy. Either they're tough or a gimme but not both.

>    Some would say the NYG are playing above their heads.  Miami is playing

I wouldn't say the Giants are playing about their heads.  I'd say that
they came off the bye week not having done much (Reeves' fault) and
were looking past what they considered to be a weak NY Jets team, and
on to their big game against Dallas.

Clearly a case of them being complacent with their achievements to that
point, and looking past an opponent they should have taken seriously.


'Saw

I'd say that Indy was tough at the early stages of the season but they are a
gimmee now. Their defense has been decimated by injuries and the offense isn;t
picking up any of the slack...

I'd say the same thing about Philly...

Metz

 Yeah, I forgot about Entmann for a minute there.

>Yeah, I forgot about Entmann for a minute there.

Isn't that the family that bakes bread? or is it cookies?

FYI - I think it's Emptman...


Metz

    	The Giants lofty position in the standings reflects the genius of
    the head coach.  The fact that the Jests are in contention for a
    playoff spot illustrates just how wimpy the AFC has become.
    
    				/Don

    After 5 weeks the jets were 2-3 and all 3 loses were by less then a
    TD, Id say something wasnt quite ticking.  2 of those games were come
    from behind victories (by LA Rai and Phil).  15pts, those 3 loses added
    to gether a mair 15pts.. The jets were not quite on trace for the first
    5 weeks of the season.  The Buffalo Loss was when the Jets had there
    heads down and Buffalo looked great, but the last few weeks things are
    in reverse.  The Jets know (I hope they Know) that there 1 loss away
    from not making the playoffs, from now until when they host Dallas they
    cannot afford a loss.  They should be able to do this, like the saying
    goes I think there the best 5-4 team in football :-)
    
    Ill be rooting for SD, Pitts, Hou, and the Jets this week.  I like to
    pick and Underdog and root for them going in.  Pittsburg should be able
    to beat Denver (But it is in PileHigh Stadium), SD is good enough to 
    beat the raiders (And SD is at home).  The Jets could easily own the
    last WC spot by weekends end...
    
    								mab

  >> FYI - I think it's Emptman...

     How are you gonna correct me when all you can do is "think"
     of what the proper spelling is? You're a 9.5 and climbing!

�    After 5 weeks the jets were 2-3 and all 3 loses were by less then a
�    TD, Id say something wasnt quite ticking.  2 of those games were come
�    from behind victories (by LA Rai and Phil).  15pts, those 3 loses added
�    to gether a mair 15pts.. 
    
    Using this criteria, the New England Patriots are SuperBowl
    bound!!!!!!!

I'm already a 10...You said so yourself...

Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah...

Metz

    -2, Id say that NE as a team is as good or better then Seattle and
    Indy.  Yes NE lost to Sea twice and to Indy once (so far) but if you
    look at the teams offense, Defense and personal Id say NE has improved
    more from last year and will finish higher then both of those teams
    next year and will be back into the playoffs before either of those
    teams.. GUARENTEED AND I WOULD BET ON IT (not in here of course that
    would be illegal :-)..).
    
    The AFC East for the next 3-5 years will look like the NFC East has for
    the past 3-5 years ;-)
    
    								mab

    
    The NFC East this year is as weak as it's ever been since its
    inception.  And it still will have the SB winner.
    
    
    brews

	RE-1

  Get Real,  the afc has never played ram it down your throat football in
the manner of the NFC. The last run over'em back in the afc that lasted any time
was Czonka with the 70's Dolphin's. The afc has always been pass happy.

 Cadzilla2

    	I was telling Waddle the other day that if my some miracle the
    Jests were to make the Super Bowl, it would be interesting to see if
    the Cowboys could reach triple digits on GangGreen.
    
    				/Don

Yo air...

The  chicken hawks are 5-5 (courtesy of a last place schedule I'll admit) and
are significantly better than the Pats. They have a great defense although
recently decimated by injuries, a good pair of wideouts in Brian Blades and
Kelvin Martin, a good runnig back tandem in Chris Warren and John L. Williams
and an up and coming QB in Rick Mirer.....

The big problems they have are in the offensive line and they need a killer
linebacker....

They still get beat on the road and against more veteran teams (esp at QB).

I'll take that bet about the pats and the Hawks even if the Hawks are at a
disadvantage because the Pats will have a last place schedule (again) next year.

Wanna wager a p-name next year?


Metz

    Yeah, Seattle is significantly better than the Patriots.  They beat
    them twice, by a total of four points.  The first time, the Pats had a
    tying FG hit the crossbar in the final second.  The second time, the
    Pats had over 100 years more than the Seahawks in total offense, but 
    Seattle managed one drive at the end of the game for a 10-9 win.
    
    NAZZ

    First , let me put one issue to bed....the Pats sip big time.
    
    Second, the Giants are a decent team in a weak division. They won't
    even come close to beating Dallas this year and if the Eagles didn't
    get hammered with injuries, they wouldn't be able to beat them either.
    
    Third, the Jets will beat the Bungles, Pats, Colts, and Skins. They
    might also beat either the Oilers or the Bills. I doubt if they'll beat
    Dallas in the regular season. If they get to the Super Bowl against the
    Sowboys, they could knock them off.
    
    Fourth, /Don is a just sore because his FFL team has gotten beat 140 to
    26 over the last two weeks and his poor drafting skills are beginning
    to show. So, he has to pick on the mighty Jets. Additionally, him and
    the guy from the SI issue last year still think the Pats are a good
    team and this is causing his brain to short circuit since the words
    Patriots and Good do not compute.
    
    Hope you all enjoy the Jets rise to the top. I know it's killing you to
    admit the Jets finally have a Super Bowl caliber team, but, with a
    little therapy you may see the light...
    
    J
    
    E
    
    T
    
    S
    
    JETS JETS JETS

	JOJ_NOT, surely you jest.  When GangGreen comes to Foxboro next 
week they'll get the Thanksgiving stuffing knocked out of them by the lowly 
Pats.  I hope that you and the Harley contingent (the guys whose girlfriends 
tatoo their cheekbones with skull and crossbones) don't get all traumatic and 
stuff when the Jesters playoff hopes sink to the murky bottom of the 
Medowlands swamp.  By the time December rolls around you and those other 
high class Jests fans will be burning your seats and chanting epitapths to 
whoever the tabloids make the scapegoat for yet another in a series of Jest 
collapses.  Even USAir hasn't had as many crashes as the Jesters. 

				/Don                             

    /'er,
    
    It's too bad you couldn't be down here for this game .vs. the Bungles.
    The Jets are celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the Super Jets super
    bowl victory over the "best_team_in_history Baltimore Colts".
    
    I know you're sorry that you're missing the celebration, so, I'll send
    you a program.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Jets beat the Bengals. No big deal in of itself, but the Jets
    have had trouble winning games against teams they should easily beat.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

      Yeh,  them jetsters really pounded on the worst team in the NFL.  It
    sounds like the planes only won because the kitty cats can't get along
    and wrong way Jay wan't playing(-)
    
      Tim

    Jets still on track, I hope the pats dont un rail them....
    
    7-4 after this week, right.... Not looking too shabby..
    
    							MaB

�    Jets still on track, I hope the pats dont un rail them....
    
    I thought you were a Pats fan. 

      The Jets were awsome against the cats last weekend....

    re: Mac
    
    There are no Pats fans...just Pats apologists.
    
    re: Bengals
    
    Egggzackly what would the difference be if the Jets had scored 45
    points on the Bengals and won, or won by 5 as they did?
    
    All the game proves to me is that the Bengals are a much better team
    than the Patriots.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    The mighty Jets manage 2 first half field goals against the Pats.  A
    Patriot fumble at the Jets' 10 in the waning minutes of the game is the
    only thing that kept the Jets from going down.
    
�    All the game proves to me is that the Bengals are a much better team
�    than the Patriots.
    
    We'll know for sure in a few weeks.  The battle for the #1 draft pick
    is fast approaching.

    Who's that offensive guard fer the Jets (6/4" 340 lbs)??
    He looks disgusting!! And this guy presumably works out? 
    Wait till he retires, he'll be 500 lbs.
    
    Haven't watched much of the NFL this year, but there;s more of these
    "blimps" on both sides of the line than ever before.
    And people talk about baseball players being outta shape and non-
    athletes.
    
    
    MikeL
    

      The difference is the jets played a winless team, and barely won..

    Well if you look at the scores from this week 9 games were decide'd
    by less then a TD.  The jets now OWN a playoff spot and they play
    Indy next week then Wash.  Hopefully this will put them at 9-4 and
    looking good for a WC berth.  The Raiders have Buff and Seattle the
    next 2 weeks so at best the split.  Pitt has NE and Miami another
    hopefull Split, Denver has SD and KC I hope they lose them both :-)
    If this all worked out, plus clev and sea will more then likely lose
    there next too the JETS may have it clinched :-)... Ok alot has to
    happen but there doing exactly what they have to do...
    
    	AFC EAST Miami	 9-2
    	AFC Cent Houston 7-4
    	AFC West Kansas  8-3
    	AFC W/C1 Buffalo 8-3
    	AFC W/C2 Denver  7-4
    	AFC W/C3 NY Jets 7-4
    Hopefulls
    		 Pitt    6-5
    		 Raiders 6-5
    		 Clev    5-6
    		 Seattle 5-6
    		 San D   4-6 (SD could win tonight)
    
    Miami is in an intresting Position, they play NYG, Pitt and Buffalo
    over the next 3 weeks and could clinch HFA thruout with a sweep of
    those 3 games :-) (there last 2 are SD and NE).  The race's are
    getting tight, the race for the #1 pick also got more intresting :-)
    Its down too NE, Cinny and Wash is still alive, the winner of the NE
    Cinncy game will lose this race :-)...
    								mab

    The Jets outscored the Pats 51-7 in two meetings this year. I'd say
    that's complete domination. 
    
    You have to face the facks(tm), the Jets are a serious contender for
    the playoffs and even the division.
    
    They should handle the Colts with ease this Sunday, and go on to beat
    the Redskins the following week. This will bring them into a showdown
    with Dallas. Heck, if Miami can beat Dallas, anyone can, especially a
    Jets team that owns Miami.
    
    JoJ_NOT

�    The Jets outscored the Pats 51-7 in two meetings this year. I'd say
�    that's complete domination. 
    
    Was Sunday's game blacked out in your area?

    If you add the scores from both game's I beleive its 51-7 total.
    This weekends game the jets played just good enough to win.  But 
    after losing 2 close games they deserve to win a couple close ones.
    I never really looked at the whole schedule but the Jets actually
    have a legit shot at the division :-), there 1 game behind Buf and
    play them X-Mas weekend and all they have to do is Tie Miami :-).
    They Jets still need to take the next 2 (should be win games) with
    indy and Wash before we can think Division :-) but right now we can
    think Playoffs.  Whats up with Boomer after throwing 9 TD's and
    Rushing for another 1, and 2 300+yrd games in the first 4 weeks he
    cooled way down.  In the past 7 weeks he has just 5TD's and no 300+
    yrd games ???? I hope he turn this around.  The Dallas/Buffalo could
    turn out to be HUGE games for the Jets :-)  Id be very disapointed if
    they end out blowing it... They have a great shot at getting into the
    playoffs, from there anything can happen (Look at Buffalo's road to
    the SB last year).
    
    								mab

    No question about it, the Jets are a real contendah.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    re-.1
    
    Nah, they'll get the ol chicken bone in da throat over the next 5
    games.
    
    JaKe
    

                     <<< Note 69.168 by PARVAX::WARDLE_M >>>

>    No question about it, the Jets are a real contendah.
>    
>    JoJ_NOT
    
    Looking up at the Fish, where they belong.
    
    Mark.

    The fish that havnt been able to beat the Jets this year :-)
    
    The difference in there records are the 2 jets games that the Defense
    gave away late in the 4rth qtr and Leon Lett.  That one incident will
    more then likely change the whole playoff structure this year.  Dallas
    just may have gone from Division Champ and possible HFA to WC team and
    Miami can now afford 1 loss in there next 3 that they would of had the
    luxury of had Leon Lett not been a boneheid :-).  Kind of bumming that
    Dallas made this blunder, would have kept things intresting down the
    stretch...
    
    								MairB

    Hey, /Don, we gots a Pats' fan rooting for the Jests.  What should we
    do about this?

    	BigMac, I say we lock him up in a room with Billy Sullivan for two
    hours.  That'll teach him.  Course we could make him go to a Jests game
    with Waddle...  Nah, I ain't that cruel.
    
    				/Don

>     <<< Note 69.169 by PTOVAX::JACOB "This space being disinfected!!!" >>>
>
>    re-.1
>    
>    Nah, they'll get the ol chicken bone in da throat over the next 5
>    games.
>    
>    JaKe
    
     Prophetic ?

JOJ_Not Watch:

		Day One



'Saw

    Wow what a major bummer, Miami, Buffalo and Denver all lose opening
    the door wide open for the jets to gain major ground and put themselves
    in position for a chance at the division and they blow it.  This is a
    huge loss and just might knock them out of the off's....
    
    Pittsburg didnt look to great against the pats and they have 2 tough
    games coming up (Miami, Houston).  The Raiders just put themselves from
    being border line eliminated to in GREAT shape they have Seattle and TB
    the next 2 weeks.  Denver could be in trouble, they have 2 tough games
    as well KC and Chicago.  There not eliminated, but this put some
    serious hurt on there playoff bid (The losses to Denver and Raiders may
    end up being devastating).  What happen to boomer he hasnt dont squat
    in the last 3 weeks 0 TD's ????  Did Cleveland down NO, I thought I saw
    the final score 17 - 13 Cleveland, if this is the case cleveland actual
    keeps a glimmer of hope alive and NO's seems to be opening the door for
    someone else to make the playoffs.  1 more lose and Atlanta is
    eliminated I thought they just may have been the comeback team of the
    season.... (I guess that belongs to Houston).
    
    Oh and congrats to NYG for beating a real team !!!!!
    
    								mab

>    
>    Oh and congrats to NYG for beating a real team !!!!!
>    

Spoken like a true faux Jets fan......

    How does a Dallas loss give the Giants the division?
    2 gammes out, 4 left, one head to head.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Yes but please look at the schedule, the Giants should be all means
    win 3 out of 4 (Id bet on it) and Dallas could lose 2, if they drop
    down 2 games 1 head to head will not cut it....
    
    NYG have Indy (cant seem to score more then 9pts against anyone), then
    @NO(5 weeks ago I would have said this was a definate loss but NO cant
    seem to regroup and may not even make the playoffs with the play Ive
    seen the last few weeks), then @Phoenix (no hurst, and NYG should be
    back to full strenght, plus this game could close the doors on Dallas
    making the last week for bragging rights only), and then the last week
    against dallas.... Even if they lose this game they could still clinch
    if Dallas loses one more game....
    
    Granted anything can happen (leon lett could learn the game :-).)  But
    with NYG schedule and this HUGE win VS Miami there more then in the
    drivers seat there on the last lap the white flag's out and the rest
    of the division is ridding on 2 flats....)
    
    								mab

>    NYG have Indy (cant seem to score more then 9pts against anyone), then
>    @NO(5 weeks ago I would have said this was a definate loss but NO cant
>    seem to regroup and may not even make the playoffs with the play Ive
>    seen the last few weeks), then @Phoenix (no hurst, and NYG should be
>    back to full strenght, plus this game could close the doors on Dallas
>    making the last week for bragging rights only), and then the last week
>    against dallas.... Even if they lose this game they could still clinch
>    if Dallas loses one more game....
    
Okay, granted, but here's the other side of the coin.

NY should beat the Colts.  But they have NO away on the Monday before
Christmas, and then away at Phoenix following the holiday.

Normally, they'd probably just head to Phoenix in that situation and
practice out there.

With the holiday, they'll come home, and head out there after Christmas.



>    Granted anything can happen (leon lett could learn the game :-).)  But
>    with NYG schedule and this HUGE win VS Miami there more then in the
>    drivers seat there on the last lap the white flag's out and the rest
>    of the division is ridding on 2 flats....)
    
I wouldn't say that by any stretch of the imagination.   

From where I sit, for the Giants to win the division, they have to 
run the table the rest of the way.  If they lose to Dallas however, in the
last game, they still could take the tie-break with Dallas on having
a better division record, I believe.....


'Saw

    If they lose to Dallas again then Dallas wins any head-to-head tie
    breaksince they will have a 2-0 record against the Giants.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    	Oh Yeah, those Jesters are looking like a true Super Bowl
    contender.
    
    				/Don

>    If they lose to Dallas again then Dallas wins any head-to-head tie
>    breaksince they will have a 2-0 record against the Giants.
>    
>    The Crazy Met

Yeah, that's right.  I don't know why I forgot that.  I guess I was thinking
about the permutation where the Giants beat the boys and end up tied....

I listen to Mike and the Mad Dog go through this stuff on the radio on the
way home, and it's kind of tough to get it all straight.....


'Saw
    

    I still cant beleive the outcomes this week.  Id have to say that
    Raiders, SD, NYG, Chic, Indy, Minn and Clev were all upsets with
    only the Rai and Pitt game really hurting NYJ.  Man this week was
    a killer, the AFC East had 1 winner Indy ???  Well this changes 
    everything the Jets now need help even if they beat Washington they
    have a very tough stretch to end the season Dallas, Buffalo and
    Houston.  So a wash win and an upset VS one of those last 3 wont be
    enough they now need the gimme game vs Wash and proberbly 2 wins VS
    those last 3 (Buff and Hou are on the road to top things off).  Even
    with all this the only 3 teams in the AFC mathmatically elimanated
    are NE, Cinncy and Indy (Looks like even if Indy ended at 8-8 at least
    3 other teams would be at 8-8 that win tie breakers).  Seattle is
    still in it :-)
    
    							mab

    And to think I actually took the Jets in the pool....
    
    JoJ_Not watch, Day 1...

    Giants could win a tie-break with Dallas if it was a 3-way tie and
    head-to-head was not involved (wild card with a team in another
    division).
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    They wouldnt include a 3rd team in a tie breaker for the NFC East
    division.  But if Philly somehow ended up tied it would then be
    record vs division (of is it between the 3 teams tied which would
    more then likley still go to dallas seeing theyve now swept the
    season series with Philly).  But hey this is the Jets note, not
    the Giants...
    
    Jets Travle to Washington in a must win game, I hope its on TeeVee.
    
    								mab

    ok, ok, ok....the Jets lost. 
    
    I went to the game. It was without a doubt the worst NFL game I've ever
    attended. Rob Moore and Blair "the wuss" Thomas dropped 8 passes
    between them.
    
    What this means is that the Jets now have to beat Washington and either
    Dallas, Buffalo, or Houston.
    
    Maybe it'll snow on December 18th....Dallas, Snow, Leon Lett....yeah, I
    like how that sounds.
    
    re: /Don
    
    So, how'd the Pats do? Another excellent loss?
    
    JoJ

>    What this means is that the Jets now have to beat Washington and either
>    Dallas, Buffalo, or Houston.
    
     Since they lost to both Denver and L.A., and are 1 game behind Buffalo,
     it probably forces the Jets to beat Washington, and 2 of the last 3 to
     get into the playoffs.

     Having just beaten NE 6-0 then losing to Indy 9-6, the Jets are not
     looking like the type of team to outscore high scoring teams.

>    I went to the game. It was without a doubt the worst NFL game I've ever
>    attended. Rob Moore and Blair "the wuss" Thomas dropped 8 passes
>    between them.
 
    What basically has been Blair Thomas' problem in the NFL?  Is it
    something to do with an inability or lack of desire to work in coming
    back from his initial injury?  This is the guy the Joe Paterno once
    called the most talented player that he ever coached at any position...   
    
    glenn
    

Big controversy in Noo Yawk over da Jets.

It seems that Dave Cadigan (a lineman I think) took umbrage with some question
a reporter asked and went all ballistic.  It's been getting a lot of
media attention on the FAN.  

I haven't paid much attention, since it's only about that team that the
plays in Giants stadium on the days when no one give a s__t....8^)


'Saw

 
> It seems that Dave Cadigan (a lineman I think) took umbrage with some question
> a reporter asked and went all ballistic.  It's been getting a lot of
> media attention on the FAN.  

    Yeah, I heard them talking about this last night.  Typical phony media 
    indignation ("if this guy has any guts at all he'll come on our show
    and explain himself"-- hah!) over a player dressing down some 
    smart-alecky writer that wrote something sarcastic about the defensive 
    coordinator and then turns around and wants to be everybody's buddy 
    the next day.  With all the attention it was getting I initially thought 
    that Coslet had finally snapped and belted someone.  Then I found out
    that it was just some obscure lineman that was screaming at a reporter.  
    Oh what will we do?
    
    glenn
    

    	Hey JOJ_NOT, I never touted the Patriots as a playoff team.  But
    nevertheless the Pats have young talent and are a considerable amount
    under next year's salary cap which should put them in a competitive
    postion to sign players whether here or in St. Louis.  That's more than
    one can say for the Jests who have a swollen payroll with a bunch of
    ancient has beens who spend most of their time beating up reporters
    and kissing Don Imus' wrinkled butt so he'll say nice things about
    them.
    
    				/Don

    The Pats have small salaries because they have no one worth paying any
    real money to.
    
    Jets ahead of the Skins at the half.
    
    JoJ

    Jets win 3-0; when was the last time they beat the Skins?? 8-5 and in
    the playoff hunt; now of they could only score a TD.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    re .194
    
       I wouldn't be talking bad about the Pats in two years (probably one)
    the jokes for New Yawk will be looking up at 'em.  For a team that is
    suppose to make the 'offs they better learn how to put the ball in the 
    'zone or they will only play 17.
    
    Jerry

Hey, JOJ_Not.

Nice FG attempt there.  I know Coslett doesn't like Aguiar, but to have
the center go headhunting on him while he's getting ready to hold...


8^)

�    Jets win 3-0; when was the last time they beat the Skins?? 
    
    If I heard the TV guys correctly, never.  They haven't played against
    each other much, though (8 times?).

      Yep,  them jets are scoring alot of points against those great teams
    that may be in double digit wins when adding all their wins together!
    
      Tim

    	The Jesters will come back down to earth this Saturday.  Dallas
    will slam GangGreen.
    
    				/Don

    What Happend to Boomer ?  He hasnt had a TD in 4 games now.  And he
    hasnt hit 200yrds passing let alone 300yrds.  In the first 4 weeks
    he had 9TD's and 2 300yrd passing games (1 297yrd game).  Since then
    he had 1 good game week10 with 3TD's.  But other then that he hasnt
    looked very good, and these have been against very bad teams ??????
    
    This is it, they need 2 of the next 3 and Dallas will be tough. Sorry
    I cant root against Dallas even though the jets need it more (the Win
    that is).  The Jets blew it againt Indy 2 weeks ago and will need to
    take out Buffalo and Houston to get into the playoffs.  Well I can
    see the light, and its not shinin on the Jets come playoff time :-(.
    Maybe next year.  (of course if Tampa Bay can go on a minny sweep and
    continue winn the next 2 weeks the Jets will have a shot :-) ...)
    
    								Mab

    Well after futher review Id say there's a chance that Denver, Raiders
    Buffalo and Jets could all end up at 10-6.  Buffalo has Miami, NYJ and
    Indy, so Indy's a win but could lose the other 2 and end at 10-6.  IF
    the jets beat buf maybe they can pull it out vs Hou to reach 10-6 as
    well.  Pitt will finish at 9-7, not enough.  The rai will lose to GB,
    Den will beat Chic and TB and the final game bet Rai and Den will land
    in a 4 way tie or knock the Rai out of the playoffs (Asuming NYJ can
    take buffalo).  That the key game for the jets, the Dallas game would
    be huge, but Dallas is awsome and now has new life in the race for
    HFA with the Atlanta Win over SF last week... What the hell happend
    in that game ???
    
    One thing for sure it should come right down to the wire in the afc
    this year.  Last year' NFC race was intense right up to the 4rth qtr 
    of the finaly game's....
    
    								Mab

    re. " -< I love this time of year :-) >-"

    
    >>             <<< Note 69.201 by MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS >>>
    >>       -< Not looking too good, Rai, Den, Buf and Pitt ? Win !! >-
                                                        ^^^^^
    
    Ya hoping fer the STEELERS tonight, eh????
    
    Sure hope that's true, though, and they spear the Fish.
    
    JaKe
    

    Hey I have my Priorities :-), Bill Cowher is the Coach on my FFL
    team and if Pitt wins Im in the Playoffs :-), I also have Fryar
    going so knowing my luck the fish will win and Fryar will go score
    less :-(
    								mab

    How do you accumulate points with the coach?  How many times he has to
    call up to the booth?  How many times you can read his lips when he
    chews out a player?

usually it's 3 points for a victory...

Metz

    Exactamundo, a coach gets 3 pts when his team wins the big goose egg
    when they lose.  I had Fontes for the first 5 wks, 3-2 and have had
    Cowher since (5-3 since I picked him up :-)..)
    
    								Mab

re: a few back

Best bet this week is Dallas -6.5 against the Jets.

:-(

that loss against Indy really hurts. Jets, Buf, Miami could have
all been 9-4.

The Crazy Net

    well like they say the good teams find away to win and the jets havnt
    shown that yet in the close games, theyve done the opposite, found a
    way to lose.  In week 1 they lost by 6 to denver, I didnt see the 
    game so dont know if it was ever winnable.  In week 5 was a killer up
    28-14 vs philly, philly comes back to score 21pts to NYJ 2pts on an
    intentionaly safty.  Philly had a 94yrd interception returned for a
    Touchdown, jets lose 35-30 :-(, Jets threw 2 interceptions that day
    and had 4 fumbles (lost only 1).  They beat themselves on that day.
    In the Raiders game NY was up 17-0 at one point and the Raiders score
    a 1Yrd TD by Bell with a minute left in the game jets lose 24-20.  And
    now they do the worst thing they could, lose to Indy, 9-6, NY had twice
    as many 1st downs, more rushing yrds and passing yrds, but once again
    the jets threw 2 interceptions and fumbled 3 times ! Jets lose... Now
    with Dallas, Buffalo and Houston (3 potential division champs and any
    one could be going to the superbowl this year) things look a little
    bleak to say the least.  The other team fighting for a WC spot have
    slightly weaker schedules :-(
    
    This weeks win was pitiful, 3-0, 98 passing yrds by the jets, but hey
    only 1 fumble, this was one of those games that both teams deserved to
    lose.  AFter losing to indy and bareley getting by washington what
    chance do they have againt there next 3 opponents ???? Have to wait and
    see.....
    							Mab

    I think the Jets are gonna beat the Cowboys.
    
    I really do.
    
    JoJ

|    I think the Jets are gonna beat the Cowboys.
|    
|    I really do.
|    
|    JoJ

I'm shocked.  Nexted thing you know, HAL will be 
picking the Browns thised week...

    Looking at this game objectively, the Jets have a tremendous run
    defense and can run a great ball control offense. Those are the two
    things that give the Cowboys fits.
    
    First thing ya know, the Cowboys defense gets tired, and...to quote Ed
    Norton..."zip zip", they're done.
    
    JoJ

      Careful there MikeL,  before ya know it, someone sitting on Clinton's
    staff will want to legalize drugs(-)
    
      Tim

�    Looking at this game objectively, the Jets have a tremendous run
�    defense and can run a great ball control offense.
    
    Didn't the Pats rack up around 150 yards on the ground against that
    tremendous run defense?  That may be a great ball control offense, but
    they don't control it where it counts -- in the endzone.

    Well, the Jets have done us all one big favor by blowing enough games
    to put their backs against the wall.  Now they have to take 2 of 3
    against good teams and can't back in.
    
    If they beat Dallas and Buffalo then they are a good team which I think
    they are, personnally.
    
    Now some playoff teams may not be that good because of a weaker
    schedule and some luck, Bears come to mind.
    
    Miami is one team in danger of losing out on playoffs.

    How 'bout dem Debils?!?
    
    Mark.

    THAT SHOULD BE IN CAPS!!!

and the present policies are working out great, hey Tim?

boomer's got a rag arm pure and simple Mair. It's all tuckered out...

mike

    	A warning to Sprotsters who may want to contact Waddle about a
    wager on the Jests/Dallas game.  He may say the Jesters are going to
    win, but he will not even take them with the 7 points.  
    
    				/Don

    	Hey JoJ_NOT, please axe JoJ if he purchased those playoff tickets
    he was boasting to me about lasted week.  Thanks in advance.
    
    				/Don

    The jets arnt dead yet, although there body is getting kind of cold.
    The NFC Central really let the jets down, Chicago and TB lost to Den
    and the raiders putting them both a game up on the jets.  And next week
    denver and the raiders both play NFC Central once again, so they could
    both come out with wins which would put the last nail in the coffin
    :-).  Basically the Jets need to win there last 2 (VS BUF and Hou) and
    still need some help, Mia should win there remaining 2 games.  Pitt is
    in the same situation they need to win them both to stay alive.  Will
    be intresting but it still looks like 9wins wont be enough in the AFC
    this year, the AFC West still looks the most impresive, 3 teams will
    more then likely make the playoffs, SD and SEA have both had
    respectable seasons all things considered.
    
    Will be a very intresting playoffs, the Jets gave away 1 too many
    close games.  Boomer has had a complete relapse and cant seem to hit
    anyone for anything worthy of being a decent pass.  There Running Game
    is greatly improved, Johnny Johnson is the real deal and Phoenix made
    a mistake letting him go for Hurst...(But the jury is still out on
    hurst).
    
    maybe they should play Nagle the next 2 weeks to give him some more 
    experience :-), will boomer be back next year and does he have it in
    him to play a 16 games season (He played a 5 or 6 games season and
    then called it quits :-( )
    
    								Mab

    The Jets still have a shot, but beating both Buffalo and Houston is
    gonna be tough.
    
    re: /Don
    
    The money for the playoff tickets went to a good cause...next year's
    season tickets.
    
    BTW - the Jets have two problems that I can see...1. They won't let
    Boomer throw downfield anymore and 2. they have the worst special teams
    in football.
    
    re: Mac
    
    The Pats got alot of yardage on the ground in a mud bowl in the pouring
    rain. I wouldn't consider that anything worth bragging about. Plus, how
    many points did they score?
    
    JOJ_NOT

    	Hey JoJ_NOT, you call Jester season tickets a good cause?  Main,
    you donate money to that bridge in Brooklyn too?
    
    				/Don

    Slasher...remember, you're a Patsy fan. Anyone who spends money to see
    the Pats play must be simple.
    
    JoJ

    
    re. the last few JoJ_not and Slasher comments, talk about a pissing 
    contest between the pot and the kettle!!!!
    
    HAHAHAHA,  Jests-Pats...HAHAHAHAHA as much substance there as "less
    filling-tastes great....hahahahahahaha.
    
    JaKe
    

    sorta like as much substance as the Steelers had on Sunday against
    the Oilers, huh JaKe.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Yea,
    And the STEELERS ought to be sending a thankee note to da Pats
    for their early XMAS gift. 
    
    MikeL
    

    Hey JaKe, how about dem Steelers.

    They're inconsistant at best, and at worst, they're sh_t.  So, what's
    the point???
    
    JaKe
    

    since when did anything in here have to have a point. JaKe you of all
    people should know that. boy I can't wait to unveil your p_name.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    JaKe, don't worry, the Jets will finish ahead of the Steelers.
    
    Haaaaaaaa!!!

    Jests actually played well Sunday..
    
    Too bad their kicker decided to play like Scott Sisson fer the day.
    
    I thought Coslet was gonna have the bigun on ther sideline.
    
    HA
    
    MikeL
    

    Great decision by Coslet to go fer the FG at the end of the game.
    
    Third down and 4, he tries a wuss run.  Fourth down and 3, he shows
    his lack of nads by going for the FG.  This way, he can use Blanchard
    as the scapegoat for his lack of nads.  Even if they miss the 4th down
    play, they've still got their time outs left and could get the ball
    back.  
    
    NAZZ

    	They're the Jets.
    
    	It's December.
    
    	Case closed!

    IM SO CONFUSED...  Ok Buff, Hou, KC Division Winners now onto AFC
    Wildcard teams the winner of the Raiders Denver game is in, correct
    but I seen that the loser may also be in ????  So Miami wins there in
    giving Miami, Den and the Raiders the WC spots.  If the Patriots
    continue there winning ways and upset ths dolphins this opens the door
    for who, just the jets or the jets and pittsburg ?  I read today that
    if the jets end in a 3 or 4 way tie for the Wildcard spots there in ?
    
    This will be a tough game, the good news is if buffalo beats indy in
    the early game Houston will rest moon giving the Jets a little more of
    and advantage.  Miami plays at New England in a 1pm game.  So buy kick
    off time in Houston Sunday night the jets and houston will know whats
    on the line.  It looks like Miami is the odd team out in a tie breaker
    (Im assuming this is afc record).  Come on Pats, the afc wildcard teams
    rests on the pats...
    
    I know pittsburg beat miami but if Miami, NYJ, Pitts and either Rai or
    Den all end up in a tie which 2 make it (TV Said the Jets would be in
    would the Rai and Den both win those tie breakers ?)
    
    A little confusing but fun to see that a NE victory keeps 2 other teams
    alive in the hunt :-)
    
    

Denver is in no matter what - they win all tiebreakers that are possible
for them to be in.

If the Jets win the Steelers, for some reason, have no chance of getting
into the playoffs. 

Jets need a 3 or 4 way tie to get in over the Raiders since they lost
to the Raiders. Jets get in with a 4 way tie of Steelers, Raiders, Dolphins
and with some 3-way ties.

I'll try and type in the chart from the NYT. They do not explain each scenario 
but do give the outcome of who is in the playoffs.

Raiders and Dolphins can get in by winning and can still qualify if they lose.
Steelers and Jets can only get into the playoffs by winning and even
then need help.

The Crazy Met

	Sure was easier when the best team in the AFL played the best in
	NFL, wasn't it??


	billl

Did that ever happen?

I remember that KC won a playoff the year that they beat Minnesota in
SB IV.

TTom

There were always playoffs leading up to the SB.

The Crazy Met

	I'm gonna hafta check my sports encylopedia on that, TCM.  I think the
	only saving grace you might have is that you mentioned SB.  What I may
	be thinking of may have occured before it was called the Super Bowl.

	I'll let you know tomorrow

	billl

    I believe that thru SBIV there was a playoff between East and West conf
    champs in both AFL (my father always called it AFofL) and NFL.
    
    Then after Chiefs win they added balt,pitt and browns to afl and
    created 6 divisions and wild card (first 1,then 2 and now 3).
    
    

    	Mr. Breen is right on the money.  Prior to Super Bowl I the Chiefs
    beat the Bills (because the Pats blew the Eastern crown by losing to
    Namath and the Jests) and the Packers beat the Cowboys.  Prior to Super
    Bowl II the Raiders beat the Oilers and the Packers beat the Cowboys
    again.  Prior to Super Bowl III the Jesters beat the Raiders and the
    Colts clobbered the Browns.  Back in those days the NFL had a Second
    Place Bowl that they played in Miami.  The second place teams in both
    the East and West played.  I think it was finally and mercifully (most
    of the games were a joke) discontinued in either '68 or '69.  But I do
    believe the year the Cheifs won Super Bowl IV they had already included
    a wild card team because I believe the Chiefs beat the Jets first then
    the Raiders on their way to Super Bowl IV and I also think there were
    playoffs in the NFL.
    
    				/Don

    I don't have the playoff scenerio in front of me BUT, I'm almost
    (key word) sure that the Jets get in if they win and Miami loses
    OR if Miami wins, Raiders lose, and Pitt wins.
    
    Jimbo

    	Doesn't matter 'cuz the Jests are going down to Houston.  Unless
    there is a way they can go if they lose.
    
    				/Don

The Jets get in if'n they win and either

		Raiders lose and Steelers win
	or
		Dolphins lose.

TTom

Jets are one game back of both the Dolphins and Raiders. Jets can only
get in if they win and then get some help.

The Crazy Met

	Bill B. was correct with the playoffs being played even as far back as
	SBI.  I, erroneously, thought that AFL and NFL were single divisions,
	kinda like the AL and NL used to be, at the time of SBI.  

	It's no small wonder that I had forgotted this what with the Steelers
	being the doormat  until the '70s.


	billl

    Back in the very early 60s the Steelers contended down to the last few
    games by virtue of a bunch of ties since winning percentage was the deciding
    factor.
    
    Giants were like 7-3
    Browns were      6-4
    Steelers were    5-2-3
    
    	So the bobby layne - jh johnson team actually played a conf
    championship decisive game and were blown out by huff etco.
    
    Billb

billl, you mean TCM was correct. You were itching to prove me wrong
way back in .243. But even though you root for all the wrong teams I forgive
you.

The Crazy Met

	Hey, TCM...ppfffftttttt!!!

	John Henry Johnson...now that was one punishing back.  I saw him play
	in one game in the early '60s.  It seemed like all the defenders were
	just bouncing off him.  'Course that could be a slightly biased
	memory of a VERY young fan.


	Sorry for carrying on 'bout the Steelers in this NewYawk Jets note, Mac.
	I promise to take the next reply to the mainly Steeler note.


	billl

Mac is on vacation. If he wants to spend all day Monday moving
stuff around thats his problem.

The Crazy Met

    .251
    Ah Bill,
    
    I do remember that.. The Steelers did have a shot but the Jints kicked
    their backsides to capture the Eastern conference crown. Think it
    was the old Giants' last hurrah, 1963.. too bad they lost to da Bearz.
    Y.A. got hammered.
    
    And wot did this have to do with da Jests? Well, their precursor
    use to put about 2k in the old Polo Grounds during the early 60's..
    Yeasss, the New Yawk Titans.
    
    MikeL
    

re: .251, .255

youze guys are old

The Crazy Met

    well tcm I've had the following experiences:
    
    Saw Sammy Jethroe and old Boston Braves at Braves field,
    
    Saw Milt Schmidt and Bruins with Terry Sawchuk in goal
    
    Cried over the death of Harry Agannis
    
    Saw Dom Dimaggio make a spectacular catch in cf at Fenway in a game
    against Philadelphia Athletics (but I think Connie Mack had retired but
    I did read his book which is still the best baseball instructional)
    
    Saw Bannister beat Landy

hmm,

Braves left Boston after the 1948 season?? Dom Dimmagio played in the 
mid-late 40's, right? Sawchuck was in the 1950's - fuzzy on that one.
Bannister broke the 4 minute mile in the early 50's.

That list has an event that happened at least 45-46 years ago. Add to that how
old you would have been - and that of course would be a WAG. I'll give
a range 55-59?

The Crazy Met

>>> but at least we're sane

	Hey, speak for yourself!


	billl

�>>> but at least we're sane
�
�	Hey, speak for yourself!
�
�
�	billl

Ah wouldn't speak so fast either, Mikey...

	>>Still crazy after alll these years...

	That's exactly the song I had in mind there, =bob=.


	billl

    TCM,	
    	You need an up to date sports almanac.
    
    Both ("better than his brother Joe") Dominic DiMaggio and the Braves
    left Boston after 52 season.  Dom didn't like Tom Umphlett being handed
    his job by Lou Boudreau (Now whose Waite Hoyt?:-))
    
    And I was a tad in 51,52.  Bannister's heroics were in 54 and Harry
    died in 55.
    
    And Billl took the words right out of my mouth

Wait - did Dominic retire after '52?  I thought he was around later than that.

Didn't Vince DiMaggio play with the Braves?

I done heerd of Joe DiMaggio and Connie Mack.
Who the hail are all them other dudes?

dr.a

    
    >Wait - did Dominic retire after '52?  I thought he was around later
    >than that.
    	He may have played a few games in '53 before retiring no later than
    	May
    Didn't Vince DiMaggio play with the Braves?
    
    	Yes in the 40s, he was oldest of three but before my time.
    
    	You may wanna check with TCM's granpop
    
    Po'olebill
    

Well I was pretty close on Bannister, 4 years off on the Braves. So I'll
skip the almanac.

So when was that catch made by Dom DiMaggio?

The Crazy Met

    Sammy Jethroe was the rookie of the year in 1950/51 for the Boston
    Braves and the first black baseball player in Boston.
    
    He had outstanding speed and led nl in sbs but faded after a couple of
    seasons, low batting average, I think.
    
    He was extremely popular but had the misfortune of sufferring the Jose
    Canseco calamity of having a ball hit him on the head in the outfield, 
    for which he was unjustly remembered.

    
    
    Yabbut dr.a,
    
    I hope this halps
    
    Bannister and Landry were atheletes who trained long and hard to master
    the difficult left-right, left-right, left-right sport.  While some
    said it couldn't be done, Bannister was able to put together 603 of
    those left-right sequences in less than 4 minutes!!!!!!  WOW Huh?
    
    gotcha =bob=  ;^)
    
    I remain,
    still trying to plough through the 500+ unseens since the GT,
    Kev
    

Miami loses twice to help out Jets.  Jets piss away a wonderful opportunity.

Lasted week, folks on the FAN were calling for Coslett's head on a platter.


Anyone else think that guy should be canned????


'Saw

Coslet looked last night like he hadn't a clue.
Coaches on the other side o' the field taking swings
at each other and still he can't score?
Either sumpthin's real wrong with Boomer or sumpthin's
real wrong with Coslet's offensive scheme.
The Oilers ain't that good, particularly w/o Moon.

dr.a

Personally, I think Coslett sucks.  I'm not a Jets fan, and this guy is
easy to hate if you ever listen to him make excuses on WFAN on the afternoons
after a game.


I was rolling over Buddy Ryan losing his cool.  That guy is a psycho -- can
you say Woody Hayes?   I wanna hear the spin control that comes out of 
Houston today about it....


'Saw

    
    
     Didn't see the game (or really want to) but who did Buddy start
    swinging at?  Player or coach.
    
    Jerry

    The big no comment gag order was sent down.
    
    Ryan took a swing at Kevin Gilbreit(sp?), the offensive (especially
    to Buddy) coordinator.
    
    I watched the game at Doc's.  Good thing he's got a spit screen cover.

	While watching the game I couldn't help but think how happy TCM
	would be when the Jets "helped" the Steelers into the playoffs.

	I did especially enjoy the dopey female reporter who immediately
	after the game, with a Houston player standing next to her, told
	the entire viewing audience how the owners had just told the three
	coaches, Pardee, Ryan, and Gilbriet(sp?) not to speak to the press.
	The next thing out of her mouth was to turn to the Houston player 
	and ask him to comment on it.  What a dolt!


	billl

    THe Jests are in surgery today having the chicken bone removed.
    
    JaKe
    

sigh :-(

The Crazy Met

>  <<< Note 69.278 by METSNY::francus "NY Mets/NY Jets, both TRULY SUCK!!!!" >>>
>                        -< rooting for KC next weekend >-
>
>sigh :-(
>
>The Crazy Met

I'm quivering with anticipation over the Coslett interview this afternoon
on the FAN.  

Coslett ain't long for the job, that's my guess......

I think Ray Handley is hanging out in Reno -- perhaps the Jets might
like to hire him as Coslett's O-coordinator....8^)


hahahahahahahaha,
'Saw

    Nice P-name there TCM.....
    
    REK

>>    Nice P-name there TCM.....
>>    
>>    REK

	Yeah, what he said!


	billl

    Coslett must go. There is very little that separates the 10-6 teams
    from the 6-10's. The little things like special teams play,two minute
    offenses decide so many games during a season. Under Coslett,the Jets
    manage to lose far too many of those.
    
    The losses to Philly,LA and Indy were inexcusable. They were lucky to
    have not lost to NE,Wash among others. Only against the Dolphins(twice)
    and the Pats did they really look like a cohesive team.  Coslett has
    gone 6-10,8-8,4-12,8-8. I don't see progress.
    
    

Mike and the Mad Dog tried to pin him down last night on how he
thought his performance has been but he tapped danced like crazy.

As I was listening to it I kept thinking how great he'd be as
a manager here at DEC.

He's pretty useless, but according to the news, he's staying....


hahahahahaha........

'saw

    News said Coslett was just fired for coming up 1 game short of the
    playoffs (not too much patience in NY).  The defensive coordinator
    takes over.

    Coslett got canned?  The feeling on WFAN was that because of the
    win over the Giants, Hess would keep Coslett for another year.
    
    Will Steinberg be next?
    
    Mike

Salzburg (sp) was speculating that the Jets told Coslett that he could
stay if he hired an offensive coordinator, and that he was fired because
he said no.....


'Saw

    	JoJ_NOT is probably in mourning.
    
    				/Don

    1PM news conference.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I got that info in the AZ media guide too.

      They go in 3's

    J_e Walt_n back the the Jests nexted year????
    
    JaKe
    

    They wanted to give Coslet help with the offense. He said no, they said
    goodbye.  Carroll was promoted to head coach.
    

    JoJ_NOT watch, day what, 8????????????
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Pretty quiet in here considering the Jets added another player to the
    Pro Bowl
    
    Boomer will take Montana's spot in the Pro Bowl.  Joe is still shaking
    out the cobwebs after having his head meet the Buffalo turf.

>    Pretty quiet in here considering the Jets added another player to the
>    Pro Bowl
    
     Don't you mean they added A player, not ANOTHER player ?

    Almost time for the AFC East superteam, the NY JETS, to get underway
    with their new coach and new look offense. Should be an impressive
    season for them...I figure they'll go 12-4 and win the division
    outright, don't you guys agree?
    
    JoJ

    
    	Of course we do.  And monkies might fly outa 'Saw's platestacker.
    
    Claybone

>    	And monkies might fly outa 'Saw's platestacker.

BIG monkies!

      Don't we sumfin like this every year?
    
      Tim

    The Jests' best WR,Rob Moore is out 6-8 weeks with a fractured wrist.
    Aaron Glenn,the much-hyped #1 pick,muffed two punts Saturday against
    Philly. 

    
    
    Any comments on Glenn Foley? Has he been playing? Is he likely to
    stick?
    
    

    I heard he fumbled 4 punts..
    

�    I heard he fumbled 4 punts..
    
    I think he lost two,but yes he didn't have a clean catch on four punts.

|    I think he lost two,but yes he didn't have a clean catch on four punts.

What was Glen Foley doing returnign punts, anyway?

    > Foley returning punts
    
    Guess the NFL still doesn't trust QB's from BC :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Not a bad start to the season. 2-0 after beating Buffalo and Denver. Ot
    come from behind win against Denver. Defense has looked good against
    both Kelly and Elway (I know MikeC the latter is no big deal :-).
    
    The Crazy Met
    

 Did anyone receive their Jets' Newsletter yet? I mean they must be going
 to the SuperBowl, right?

 mike

    WOW.... Although Im sad the Pats were robbed 2 games in a row its
    nice to see some new blood in the thick of things in the AFC East.
    I think right now the AFC East is the best in the afc.  Buffalo will
    be in there, as well as Miami and it looks like the Jets may give the
    AFC a run for there money.  The AFC East will have 3 representatives
    in the playoffs and Im still hoping the Pats will make a run, Miami
    and buffalo to start the season is a tough schedule but NY has taken
    out 2 of the better teams in the east and hopefully they'll beat the
    teams they should beat.  But who made there schedule, the 4 time AFC
    championship bills the first week then Denver with Elway and his highly
    improved WR core and now Miami with the 90+% Marino and very decent
    offense.  Thats brutal... NY has a great chance at jumping out to an
    early lead if they can Beat Miami this coming weekend, they have Cle
    Indy and NE the following 3 weeks (Of course there going to lose to NE
    but they can win the other 2).
    
    Im surprised over the Cleveland loss, although week 1 was all special
    teams they seemed better the Pittsburg, I know 1 week does not a season
    make.  Look at the pats 0-2 and I still think they have a shot at .500
    season and potential WildCard...
    
    Go Pats (Good Job Jets)
    
    								MaB

    Hey Jet fans, don't get to cocky, if it wasn't for some stupid play
    calling by Wade Phillips, the Broncos would have beaten the Jets
    by at least 10 points. The Jets aren't that great. To bad Atwater
    didn't knock Moore's head off, instead of just knocking him down.
    
                                            go broncos

    you know -1 is right, all the jets did was beat the 4 time afc
    champs in week 1 and then follow that up by beating the lowly
    0-2 Broncos...  Now had they beat one of the real AFC West Teams
    like Seattle now that would be a different story.
    
    The Jets get a real test this weekend VS Miami... Only time will
    tell if they can continue, but they have a very solid team.
    
    								mab

    there goes the undefeated season.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

From:	AXIS::US1RMC::"[email protected]" "James Wardle"  6-JAN-1995 09:52:23.47
To:	Squash:Racquetball as Chess:Checkers 05-Jan-1995 [email protected]
CC:	
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They've finally broken my spirit....yesterday at lunch, with no knowledge of 
this news, I was laughing at the Eagles and Kotite for implementing the "Joe 
Walton Brain Dead Predictable 3rd and Long Draw" offense. Going home, I hear 
the Jets rehired Kotite.

I've decided to defect...I'm going to become a Steelers fan. At least they 
have a good coach and management that wants to win.

JoS
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Wail, even though the Jets aint competitive, again, it seems that they do
have at least one world class jerk, Keyshawn Johnson.

It's not just his performance in the end zone after his TD catch, wherein
he stomped and took off his helmet and acted like he had won at least the
superbowl. 

And it's not his laughing and grinning on the sidelines while his team
was being whooped by the Colts.

But, add those to his response to the critics about both of 'em, and you
got the makings of some real fun time in the Big Apple. Basically,
Johnson told 'em all that he din't care what anyone thinks about him.

While under some circumstances, this is commendable, evidently Johnson
doesn't realize that he's stuck in New York and they're gonna fry him.

TTom

	Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson the guy that Hayden Fox wanted to make the top 
	draft pick for the Orlando Breakers?  Keyshawn (on the show) told 
	Hayden not to draft him; he wanted to play for a winner.  Kinda 
	ironic, isn't it, him playing for the Jets?

	Kevin

I don't watch _Coach_ or most other network TV.

Keyshawn previously let the world know that he knew more about coaching
than his coaches by announcing that he should be the go to man.

Of course, considering that Kotite is the coach, he may have a point,
there...

TTom

    
    
      Ttom is a PBS man!

About the onliest network TV I watch is football and basketball.

The local PBS people called once and asked for a donation and I told 'em
that when they start showing the NFL call back.

What I mainly watch on TV aside from sports is movies. I'd rather sit in
the comfort of my own home and watch and maybe tape the movies rather
than go to a theater with a bunch of screaming kids. Almost as bad is
going to see a comedy where I usually end up laughing out loud and I look
around and ever one else din't get it.

TTom

I have never understood the "fad" of jumping and jerkin' your body around like
your sittin' in the electric chair after you make a good play.

I find it even harder to understand when your team is down by 30 points.

I mean what's the point.  You wanna dance, go on MTV's The Grind.


JMHO,
'Saw

>About the onliest network TV I watch is football and basketball.

I do watch SOME network TV, mainly NYPD Blue, the XFiles and Homicide.
Aside from the evening news that is.

Other than that I watch PBS, ESPN, History Channel (YES!!!!) and A&E, and
finally, I try hard NOT to miss The Furniture Guys and the how-to show on 
the Learning Channel.

>What I mainly watch on TV aside from sports is movies. I'd rather sit in
>the comfort of my own home and watch and maybe tape the movies rather
>than go to a theater with a bunch of screaming kids. Almost as bad is
>going to see a comedy where I usually end up laughing out loud and I look
>around and ever one else din't get it.

Once every couple of months Kim and I will go to a movie.  Usually, we'll go
out to dinner (someplace casual definitely) and go to a movie.  Sometimes we
hit, sometimes we miss.   More often it's popcorn and a Blockbuster movie.

Some movies are GREAT on the big screen -- "Legends of the Fall" comes to mind,
and other movies, when we get them on video we say "glad we didn't see *this*
in the theater...


'Saw

    speaking of acting up after a play, what is the one arm military press
    the boys are doing now.  It looks like they are doing 3 or 4 quick 
    lifts with the imaginary dumbell......
    
    Jimbo

>XFiles.

Problem with that show is that it's on Friday night. I'm rarely home and
conscious at that time. Luckily a friend tapes 'em so I get to watch a
couple of 'em ever once in a while. From the 10 or so episodes I've seen,
it beats about anything else on the toob.

>NYPD Blue.

Seen this a couple of times. Real impressive especially considering it's
from a major network.

Since we're all baring our souls on what we watch, I confess to watching
C-SPAN. Of course, I listen to talk radio, too.

TTom

    
    
        I've been watching the Happy Days Marathon every night this week
    from 8-12 on Nik_at_night. Can't wait till Erin starts sprouting she
    was a babe the last 2-3 years.. mmmmm....
    
    
    
    
    Chap

Sounds like a case of too much MLB to me....

Good news TTom -- this season X-Files will be on Sunday evening.

I also want to check out the new NBC series "Dark Skies"


I'm baseballed out too.

    
    When did they announce the change in X-Files programming?  When is the
    first episode?
    

I heard about it at the tail end of last season, and have seen the ads somewhat
recently.   However, the premiere will not be until early October.
There was an article in the Sunday paper two weeks ago giving the channel
lineup for this fall.  I'll see if I can dig it out and post it.


'Saw

Clearly, X-Files will compete against TNT or ESPN's Sunday Night Football.  I
guess I'd better get some blank tapes for my VCR.


'Saw

    Is it me or are the Happy Days reruns in no particular order?  Why
    don't they show these in the order they appeared in?  Now the Odd
    Couple can be in any order but how's my 7 year old son going to
    understand Happy Days if Fonz already has the apartment etc.

I read somewhere that The X-Files would start the season on
Fridays and shift to Sunday mid-season.

Mike

    
    What does this have to do with the New York Jets... btw?

    
    >What does this have to do with the New York Jets... btw?
    
    Got me, what does .326 got to do with it?  You are just as guilty.
    
    
    
    RE: - Johnson
    
    Big deal.  The guy scores his first touchdown, celbrates and everyone
    makes him out to be a villian.  See if he does it on his second.  I
    suspect you'd be happy with your first touchdown too.
    
    Then he had the audacity to laugh and joke around on the SIDELINES. 
    Was he not all business on the field?  Did he not try to accomplish
    what was asked of him?  Who cares what he does on the sidelines?  Maybe
    he had a really funny joke that he wanted to tell everyone to take
    their minds off the game.
    
    Marc
    

    I thought the Jets note was the new Junk note.  I took'em again this
    week out of stubborn pride and the forlorn hope that Neil O'Donnell,
    despite being independently wealthy would show the guts and
    determination he showed in the SuperBowl this week.

    >What does this have to do with the New York Jets... btw?

Network TV and the Jets both suck?

The only TV I ever get to watch is Ocean Girl and Martha Stewart.  I have no 
life of my own, my wife/daughter/customer rules it.  I guess that's why I 
don't drink that NA beer.

brews

Isn't that the best way to attract endorsement contracts? Seems like a smart
move on his part. How do you know he didn't get a 5K bonus for that TD with 
the way they write contracts these days? Then of course there's the case of
two running backs, the one with all the endorsement deals is the one who took
his helmet off and kept his balls, the other just flipped the ball to the ref
and went to the sidelines.............


mc

>    >What does this have to do with the New York Jets... btw?


It would take intervention from aliens for the Jets to win a few games this
season.  That's my cut at it.

But who, besides you, really cares?


>The only TV I ever get to watch is Ocean Girl and Martha Stewart.  I have no 
>life of my own, my wife/daughter/customer rules it.  I guess that's why I 
>don't drink that NA beer.

Martha Stewart is the most insipid, tedious, pretentious person I've ever come
across.  Yet still she serves as an inspiration.  If **she** can make money
writing books, so can *I*.


Rich Kotite needs a Martha Stewart influence in his game plans I think....

Wail, if'n I was in charge, I'd adopt the college rules for dancing,
showboating and taunting.

So based on the current rules and regulations, what Keyshawn did was not
even close to a penalty.

Same goes for laughing on the sidelines while your team is stinking up
the place.

However, IMO, put 'em together and you've got was appears to be a guy far
more interested in his own stuff than the team's.

As for endorsements, he's already got at least one with addidas. He's
doing the football version of the Kobe Bryant add about wearing shoes
that look like your feet. 

But whoever asked about discussin the X-files in the Jets topic was
right. They shouldn't be grouped. The X-files is quality. The Jets suck.

As for Sunday night, once again, multiple TVs come to the rescue. 

TTom

   
    Keyshawn's "dance" rated very poorly on style, imo.  I don't mind
    a unique, creative dance every once in a while, but Keyshawn wasn't
    dancing so much as stomping around like a spoiled child.  Then later
    on he told Sterling Sharpe that he was making some kind of "statement"
    based in his problems with Kotite and not being the starting WR nor 
    seeing the ball enough for his satisfaction.  That's the worst part.  
    Uncool.
    
    glenn
    

So naturally, Kotite will start 'im thised week.

The kid has a bunch of talent. I just wish him the best of luck with the
ruthless NY media. He's giving 'em a bunch of material to work with.

TTom

they'll be fawning all over him cause he'll make better copy than any present
Jets, Giants or Yankees. Besides what better way to run Kotite out of NY?

mc

>Martha Stewart is the most insipid, tedious, pretentious person I've ever 
>come across.  Yet still she serves as an inspiration.  If **she** can make 
>money writing books, so can *I*.

 'saw you stop pickin on the shows I get to watch and I'll stop pickin on the 
beer you pick.

brews

>
> 'saw you stop pickin on the shows I get to watch and I'll stop pickin on the 
>beer you pick.
>
>brews


Fair enough, but I just can't imagine you sittin' down to a meal cooked using
Martha Stewart methods, at a table decorated with Marth Stewart decorating
tips, with fresh flowers from a Martha Stewart garden)*


'Saw


*Of course, the garden is maintained by a hired gardener named Hector or 
 something like that.  She stiffed him on his money and he took her to court I
 think.

Sorry 'Saw, but I'd say that Miss Manners (whatever her name is) 
has a full lap lead on Martha Stewart....

daryll

Miss Manners is a hoot. She's witty, funny, and anything but serious.

Another funny manners book is one written by P.J. O'Rourke.

TTom

Hey, I ain't defending the bitch.  I prolly hate her more than all of you.  I 
gotta sit through her crap while I'm trying to read my Saturday paper.

brews