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'Saw

your folks might live just over the border of what needs to be blacked out.

Example: Celtics playing at home with TNTand SCshowing the game.
Game is blacked out on TNT in Cambridge, but is on in Merrimack.

The Crazy Met

>your folks might live just over the border of what needs to be blacked out.

Yeah, it could be, but the weird thing is that IF indeed SC bought the
rights to show it, and I had to watch it on SC, then they should have
been able to see it too.


I think the whole cable thing is a scam anyway 8^)


'Saw

    but isn't Merrimack in another state?

    
     I don't think it matters what state it's in Mike. Just whether it's
     within x number of miles of the game site.

Well, my folks do live in another cable area, covered by a different
carrier.

For the same money, they get far fewer channels than I do, and they
get a significantly high proportion of things blacked out on MSG.
In fact, it seems rare that they get to see any hockey there whatsoever.

They have Sports Channel and see the Whalers, but don't get NESN.


I get a ton of channels, and for the most part get pretty decent coverage.


The thing that gets me about cable is that it's kind of dictated to you
what you'll get.  I guess it's like not having a choice of eletric
or water company, but TV is so much more useful than that....8^)

It'd also be very nice if you could get a decent explanation out
of the NHL, and the cable companies, as to what things are blacked out
and why.  It seems everyone gives a different story.....


'Saw

    	Tommy's right Mike, I have a friend who lives in Athol and during
    the Celtics heyday when they were on TBS alot, home games that were
    blacked out in Boston weren't there.
    
    				/Don

Slasher,

Does the 822 have any significance??  Letters for 8 are TUV, 2 are ABC

The Crazy Met

    	Hey Met have you seen those silly ESPY commercials on ESPN?
    I think we should have one of those 800 numbers for NOTY.
    
    				/Don

    TBS wasn't blacked out Sunday for the Celts-Knicks game in Burlington.

    
    > Hey Met have you seen those silly ESPY commercials on ESPN?
    > I think we should have one of those 800 numbers for NOTY.
    
    My vote went to Otis Nixon...
    
    glenn
    

    	Walt, I believe the blackout rule cannot apply to the away games
    the Celtics switched to the SportsChannel, only the home games.
    
    				/Don

Which commercials? Iam sure I have seen 'em but can't figure out
which you are referring to.

The Crazy Met

ps - and only me friends can shorten my name to Met :-)

re: blackout

At least in basketball it is only for home games. Celtic/Knicks game
was on TNT on Sunday. Celtics could not put that game on Channel 25 but HAD
to put it on SC because TNThad rights to the game and no free channel
could broadcast it.
Since it was a home game for the Knicks, in NY TNT was blacked out
for that game.

The Crazy Met
^^^^^^^^^

    TCM, are you sure about that?  I thought the tape delay of the Knicks
    game was due to Channel 25's self imposed broadcast restrictions.  They
    have been moving broadcasts of games to later timeslots so as not to
    conflict with their regular prime time lineup.  Sportschannel carries
    these games live.  
    
    Worcester cable does not blackout TBS or TNT when the Celts are on.

    
    Solution:  Don't get cable 8^)
    
    Marc
    

    
>    Solution:  Don't get cable 8^)
    
Wrong!!!     

:^)
Joe    

    Worcester may be far enough away to be be exempted from the blackout.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I haven't had cable for over four years now.  Most of the channels are
    junk anyway.  If I could get just CNN and ESPN without paying an
    outrageous fee, I'd probably do it.  Out here they have a local sports
    network that carries a lot of the home Twins, Gophers BB and another
    that carries the Woofs.  Both carry some other college football and BB
    as well.  Problem was you couldn't see the Twins or Gophers games in
    Minneapolis or St. Paul and only a few suburbs because those cable
    companies didn't carry that station.  After a long legal battle, many
    areas now are able to pick up these stations. 
    
    Talk about ticking a lot of local sports fans off.
    
    
    Spud

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Subject: Sports Digest
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TV:	A Child Research Services poll revealed that football is the most 
	watched sport on television by children between the ages of 8 and 12. 
	The study said 53 percent of boys in that age group say they watch 
	football frequently on TV. Basketball was chosen by 45 percent and 
	baseball by 31 percent.

	Last Sunday's NFC Divisional Playoff game between the Dallas Cowboys 
	and Philadelphia Eagles on CBS earned a 25.0 rating, equaling the 
	highest rating for any televised sports event since last year's Super 
	Bowl. The women's figure skating finals of the Winter Olympics on CBS 
	last February also received a 25.0 share.

    
    Yabbut out here in the wilds of Woostah, there's a really neet battle
    going on between Greater Media Cable  and Sprotschannel which
    unfortunately, the suscribers are getting rammed up the ol' rectum.
    
    Seems that Sprotschannel doesn't wannba a premium channel anymore. 
    They want to either be added to the basic packy that everybody gets
    (oh, any by the way, they want a rate hike to go along with it) or they
    wannabe added to a tiered/bundled premium packy.  GMC says they don
    wannadoit becasue they feel that it would be unfair to the masses to
    "pay" for somethang that only a few will appreciate.
    
    Thisted has been going on for a few weeks and the kick in da teef was
    in the lasted week of March when Sprotschannel said that they were
    going to block out the SC on April 1.  GMC got a court restraining
    order for a couple of days.  It's expired and Sportschannel did the
    dirty deed, blocking out da Celtics, da Broons and whatever else they
    carry (I don't get it so I don't know fer shure).
    
    T'is a real gew to read in the Woostah papers the ads that both parties
    are taking out to try to influence the masses against the other guy.
    Seems like the majority of the reactions are against Sprotschannel -
    mostly because of the Celtics who are supposedly playoff bound.  Of
    course, knowing how the papers and media in general are opposed to
    "onjectively" reporting the nooz, I really don't know what to believe.
    
    Anybody directly effected by these two money grubbing companies care to
    express an opion?  I realize that this forum (::Sprots) is deviod of
    such demonstrated behavior but I figured I'f float a trial baloon.
    
    I remain,
    wonderin what Denny wudda said
    Kev
    

    GMC charges enough now for their premium tier it would be robbery to up
    the rate for a "free" Sportschannel.
    
    BTW Kev, SC doesn't carry da Broons.  NESN does.  SC has the Whalers.

    Yabbut Mac,
    
    Since when did being accurate be a prerequisite in da lockerroom?
    Picky, picky, picky.
    
    Sprotschannel wants the basic rate upped not the premium tier. In
    return SC would be added to the basic service.  Remember, GMC has basic
    and <mumblefratz> basic (~60 channels) before ya even get to a
    "premium" tier.  We have extended basic ()yeah that's the name -
    extended basic() and we're paying somethimg like $32.00 month.
    
    I remain,
    wondering if I'm being had?
    Kev
    

    Is it SC that wants the rate hike or GMC?  I'd be willing to bet it's
    GMC.  SC charges the cable companies that carry it anyway.  I would
    think that SC would do OK on the deal without the rate hike since
    they'll dramatically increase viewership.

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    	SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) -- Looking to marry sports with the MTV
    generation, ESPN announced plans Monday to launch a ``hipper'' version
    of its traditional 24-hour sports network.
    	The new offering, to be called ``ESPN 2,'' which will begin airing
    Nov. 2 and will feature sports ranging from snowboarding to sumo
    wrestling to the National Hockey League.
    the lighter market,'' said John Lack, executive vice president of
    marketing and programming. ``We've looking for a hipper, younger, more
    active audience.''
    	ESPN is also hoping to attract advertisers ranging from Coca Cola to
    Mars Candy Inc., but admits it has yet to sign any ``charter''
    advertisers for ESPN 2.
    	Lack said the network will be funded 60 percent by cable-system
    fees
    and 40 percent by advertising. The established ESPN channel, he said,
    had nearly a 50-50 revenue ratio.
    	The new channel will also be beamed initially into only a fraction of
    the 61 million households which currently have access to ESPN. However,
    Lack said that the network's projection showed in three years ESPN 2
    should near the level of household penetration of the parent network.
    	Company executives put the price to the cable operator ranging from
    10 cents to a quarter per household.
    	The network will feature a ``shock jock'' style nightly call-in talk
    show and Sports Night, a program that has as its mission an irreverent
    reporting style of the day's leading sports events.
    	``We are currently in a national search process for a host for our
    nightly call-in show,'' Lack said. ``We would love to develop our own
    version of Larry King.''
    	Another feature will be a nightly show called Jock and Roll, which
    will feature box scores, game summaries, news and standings scrolling
    against the scene as rock music blasts away in the background.
    	Executives also promised that ESPN 2 will offer some form of home-
    shopping service, but did not disclose further details. The cable home-
    shopping arena, a $2.3-billion industry dominated by QVC and Home
    Shopping Network, is expected to boom in coming years with the advent of
    interactive TV.
    	ESPN 2 announced Monday it would televise three NHL contests each
    week and the first two rounds of the playoffs. Additionally, some of the
    overflow from the more than 200 college basketball games it currently
    airs on the parent network will also be shown on the new channel.
    	Lack said it was his network's goal to keep ESPN's basic cable
    designation and to add ESPN 2 to it.
    	``We are not offering ESPN a la carte,'' he said. ``We feel the
    basic cable helps make this network work.''
    	Network executives also said Monday they would launch a pay-per-view
    channel as early as this fall. Lack said that programming would consist
    of college football, boxing and soccer.
    	For college football, Lack said the network would probably offer a
    national game on Saturday and three regional offerings for pay-per-view
    much like ABC Sports Inc. offered last fall.
    	As for boxing, the network said it would cautiously enter the
    field.
                                                                

    There's no radio topic, so I'll put this here.
    
    Ok, Doyle/Mustard on WEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEE III... get replaced by Imus.
    Assuming Dale Arnold's still there?
    Who's replacing Glenn Ordway?
    Is Jimmy Myers still on at night?

Dale Arnold will be staying.

The Crazy Met

    Eddie -> Good riddance
    
    Jimmy was on lasted night
    
    

I though Andelman was staying?

The Crazy Met

    I think Ordway is going to stick with Celtics' broadcasts. 
    
    If Dale is staying, I'd assume the lineup would be:
    
    6-10: Imus
    10-2: Dale
    2-? : Eddie
    Night: Jimmy.
    
    Mike

Caint get rid of Eddie.  He personifies Boston sports fains.

JD

JD is on a real crusade today.

The Crazy Met

    Glenn's replacement is NOT Lou Gorman...
    

    HAHAHA JD,
    And who personifies NooYawk sports feigns, that multi-color sweatered
    Lawngoirland sports announcer idjit on WOR?
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

MikeL clue me in to who you are refering to??

The Crazy Met

HAHAHHA MIkeL - Finally a Boston fain wif some humour...

    Oh what's his name... Russ Salzberg maybe?  Jerry Girard is 100x
    better.
    

    Think you might be right Walt.. It's not Girard.
    
    What is with these NooYawk TV personalities on 'OR??
    
    They have Joesph of the Multicolored Robe doing sports and
    Lloyd the babbling semi-inept lunatic doing weather.
    
    Next they'll have Al Sharpton reviewing movies....
    
    
    MikeL
    

    Mike, re: Al Sharpton.  You should listen to Myers.  That guy has a
    chip on his shoulder.
    
    John "D Cowboys"R .

    I thought Dale Arnold was out too and was going to do Jersey Nets games
    waiting for Bruins job.  Eddie cannot be taken seriously but is a
    curiousity piece with all his alleged "inside" information.  Sometimes
    he does has it and hints like hell as with Boggs/Margo.
    
    His latest btw MikeH is that his contacts in Phoenix organization are
    "worried" about Ollie and => Celtic's were lucky not to have taken him.
    
    And, I probably should post this in [Ask Jake] but ...
    
    Am I sick to listen to weei on way home and thru static nonetheless. 
    And if not what are my options from 5:30-6:30.  103.3 plays bustopbusco
    continuosly and I've already heard williams once on rko.  I am willing
    to try post 50s music but don't know anything good 'cept Linda Ronstadt
    bluebayou and Jake's or somone's cd collection is not for me either....
    (back to station)
    
    
    And, btw; I listened to game 3 on radio and never really appreciated
    the basic skill of j.most in painting the picture (regardless of home
    bias).
    
    btw - where is that british open this year? Ireland?
    I just couldn't follow the yomoko doing play and am not impressed with
    Lanier insights

re: radio

similarly, after listeningto a few of the 1993 NBA playoffs on radio Icould
truly appreciate Marv Albert's radio broadcasts. 

The Crazy Met

Imus is GREAT.  Gotta love his show in the mornin'......


'Saw

too bad he no longer uses Geraldo Santana Banana as his editorial
reader/writer.

The Crazy Met

    Dale Arnold and (sometimes) Jimmy Myers are the only 2 in the current
    lineup worthy of a job.  Cain't stand Andelmann.  Case in point - the
    day after Minnie beat Atlanta 1-0 in the (IMO) greatest WS ever, Eddie
    did a show on the best Chinese food in Boston.
    
    Sports Radio?  NOT.
    
    Mark.

    Interesting that Doyle/Mustard lasted less time than Andy Moes... I
    thought Andy was bad...
    

re: .45

But didn't 'ya know that if a Boston team wasn't in it it didn't count
or matter??

The Crazy Met

    Andleman is not in there for sports but for sports entertainment.  I
    believe he is popular for those issues that surround sports like "will
    Othwein move Pats" etc  He gives an impression, mainly because he comes
    right out and says it, that he is a successful businessman and
    therefore an expert on these matters.
    
    But for pure sports he couldn't make this notefile.
    
    Moes I believe had a big contract and I think he is still working for
    eei but in an admin capacity till the $ucks run out.  He should go back
    with Joe Martel.
    
    Tom Doyle should have no problem resurfacing and he and Mustard had a
    fairly good show but since there was no marketing of it ratings were
    slow to show up.
    
    Bring back Norm Nathan

    Yeah Moes was good with Joe Martel. Guess that station decided that he
    caused too many headaches. Don't matter much now that Imus will be easy
    to catch in the Boston area.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Who took Ordway's spot?  Has that been settled?
    
    When does Imus get funny?  I mean, I'm sure he is, I haven't heard a
    lot, but I haven't heard much "comedy", just bitching and moaning about
    his brother and people who take pot shots at him.

A lot of Imus' skits are really funny. Have you heard those??

The Crazy Met

    Maybe I've missed them.  Most of the time, they've been interviews...

    Imus S*CKS bigtime, if I wanted to listen to garbage then I would have
    made an efford to keep /dons twin Andy Moses on WEEEEEEEEEEEEEI...
    
    REK
    
    I don't like garbage radio, and esp garbage radio from New Yawk...

    Imus skits only show how talented Tom Doyle was.  Imus did say 10
    months hardly was a fair test.
    
    He was greatly upset by a very mild Craig review and unread by me but I
    can guess, a mild by Baker standards in Boston Post.
    
    Anyone read Baker?
    
    

> I don't like garbage radio, and esp garbage radio from New Yawk...

REK does that mean the Pats games should not be carried by radio stations??

The Crazy Met

Baker?? who's Baker?

I did read the Craig review.

The Crazy Met

    I think its "Jim" Baker who does tv, radio reviews for Herald.  Very
    scathing, belittling sort who looks for trivial mistakes to highlight.
    Hates Andelman and vv.
    
    Craig is a much more quality tv writer.  Both cover weei quite a bit,
    neither like Andleman.  Craig seems to have a feud; Baker just being
    himself.

Well if Baker does not like Andelamn that is at least one point in his favor.

The Crazy Met

    I think it's too earlt to judge how Imus will do in Boston. I've heard
    his show before on the FAN and he is talented. I listened on the way in
    and some of  his stuff was funny but I think many Bostonians are used
    to local radio personalities whar the funny stuff and sports was all
    local. Time will tell if Imus' cosmopolitan schtick will go over in
    Beantown. Boston is quite provincial so a more NY/nationally scoped
    syndicated show might not fly. Let's give him a chance tho.
    
    BTW, I liked Tom Doyle. The man is very funny. Now if the FAN and
    Imus needed a local boost, mebbe they could contract Doyle to call
    in on occasion with some of his impersonations/musical ditties.
    Again tho, ah thinks most of Doyle's schtick was local and THAT might
    not fly in NY.
    
   BTW, if Jim Baker canned Imus, then Imus musta been good. Baker is
    simply a muckraker, no more no less. After all, he's a Herald main.
    
    MikeL
    

    I wonder how Eddie is going to handle the sox resurgence.  He had them
    buried in the hope of dwindling gate, tv ratings forcing Sox hand to
    make GM change.
    
    He'll probably be belittling those who show the slightest optimism.
    
    Personally, I didn't see this coming (Sox comeback) because of poor
    defensive range and lack of power to compensate for speed.  But in this
    day a team which plays hard and stays focused can make up for a lot of
    shortcomings.
    
    any changes should be made with caution as the "talent" this team has
    is cohesiveness and the need for real talent is probably too deep to
    make up for this year anyway.  I would like another lefty in the
    rotation since jays and les yankees play worse angainst us southpaws.
    
    But I don't expect to get a call from Lou. 

    	The problem with Imus on WEEI is a lot of his funny stuff is the
    commercials for sponsors and since Boston switches to local commercials
    you miss it.  Also the timing of the local news and sports in
    conjunction with Imus' show stinks.
    
    				/Don

    
    I regret that yet another talk radio show, especially a talk radio show
    on a so-called *sports* station, has gone the way of the low-class
    least-common-demominator gutter humor format.  Not that talk radio was
    ever good, but for a few minutes here and there I did enjoy Mustard and
    Doyle's banter on mostly *sports-related* topics.  Alas, I guess that
    kind of thing just can't succeed any longer, so some New Yorker's got
    to take over another station with an insult format.  It gets old.  We
    deserve it, I guess...
    
    glenn
      

Nah, just the power of the NY media  :-)

The Crazy Met

�    on a so-called *sports* station, has gone the way of the low-class
�    least-common-demominator gutter humor format.  Not that talk radio was

	Gee Glenn, you say that like it's a bad thing...

				/Don

    WCNN in Atlanta (680 AM) just switched over to an all-Sports format a
    week or two ago.  I'm pretty much addicted to it at this point
    (probably the novelty factor) but a few things bug me about "The Fan":
    
    1. Crude female jokes.  Most of these talk show sports jocks never
       pass on the opportunity to spew out some form of stupid opposite-
       sex "joke".  There's a woman on in the morning (Ailene) and they'll
       say stuff like "So Ailene, whadaya wear to bed at night?" and then
       crack up laughing.  Is this funny?  [no]  I'm not overly sensitive
       about women being offended by this stupidity - if they're listening
       they'd we wise to laugh it off as sophomoric ignorance.  I aim
       concerned about *my* intelligence being offended though.
    
    2. #1 wouldn't be so bad if these guys actually knew their sports.
       How many callers must call in and axe a question that these 
       so-called experts don't know the answers to?   They had a special
       guest on this morning who was supposed to be a "Georgia Tech
       Expert" (forget his name) so some guy calls in axing about three (3)
       highly touted baseball players who the Jackets have inked and wants
       to know somethin' about 'em.  (One of 'em was a firsted round
       draft selection.)  The answer was typical of what ya get:
    
    Wail [caller] I can tell you that the coach is real high on these kids
    but ya never now how they're gonna turn out cause high school is lots
    different than college and blah blah blah.  
    
    In other words, he didn't know squat about 'em.  
    
    Reeelly iritating when alot of the callers know more about the subject
    matter than the so-called Sports experts.
    
    :^(
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Since we're on this vein,...
    
    So-called sports TV stations have been bombarding the airwaves with
    trashy exploitative "exercise shows" and skimpy volleyball exhibitions.
    I dunno what's worse, ESPN's "Bodyshaping" "Fitness Pros" or NESN's
    "Women's Pro Volleyball". Why the nerve of the GM's of these stations,
    putting on shows of nubile young scantily-clad wimmins going through
    vigorous exercises. Doing nothing but attracting thousands of panting
    neer-do-well young males to compound this country's moral degridation!
    Why I tell ya there oughta be a law!
    
    And I intend to do my part.. I'm resolutely heading down to Craigville
    Beach on the Cape this weekend to take in all the raunchiness of the
    "Women's Pro Volleyball" toornament.  I intend to be poifectly
    disgusted in ma front-row seats. I'll capture every exploitative
    moment and send my tome to The Pilot.. Might even copy Jimmy Swaggert
    and see if we can git some national attention to rectify this here
    'Sodom and Gommorhaesque' atmosphere!
    
    Hmmmmph...
    MikeL
    

	MikeL, I hope you take the camera along and PLENTY of film!

	Can't wait to see them at the next git-ta-gether.



	billl

    billl,
    
I'll be on film alright.. I'll be taking over for the recently incarcerated
    Rainbow Main (see JN). REPENT!
    
    MikeL
    

    Who's there?  Rocca?  Masakayian?  Dodd?  Not that I ever watch that...

    I think Masakayan but not sure really. Don't follow it either, and
    wouldn't recognize most of the names. The Globe did a short article
    on the women's circuit and Masakayan was mentioned.
    But they're all HEATHENS!
    
    8^)
    Mikel
    

Walt, 

You just don't catch Imus at the right time. He had a real good 
"editorial" on Lolapalooza as I was driving in; did it as a comparison
to Woodstock; very enjoyable. There was some other stuff as well.

The Crazy Met

    What teams are featured in Lolapalooza?
    
    Reading some of the stuff in here at times I'm surprised that Glenn is
    surprised that this kind of sports talk flourishes.

>  Reading some of the stuff in here at times I'm surprised that Glenn is
> surprised that this kind of sports talk flourishes.

My turn at getting out the RCASO decoder ring.

The Crazy Met

    I didn't know Lollapalooza was broken up by teams... you mean who's
    playing there?
    

�    I didn't know Lollapalooza was broken up by teams... you mean who's
�    playing there?
    
    I figured if it was discussed on a sports talk radio show that it must
    be some kind of sporting exhibition.

>    I figured if it was discussed on a sports talk radio show that it must
>    be some kind of sporting exhibition.

Imus isn't really sports talk radio.  He's the one thing on the FAN that's
not sports.  


I enjoy Imus.  There's days you love him, days you hate him, but his skits
are usually pretty funny, and the interviews that he does are thought
provoking even if you don't agree with what he says.

I don't listen to anything else in the morning any more....


'saw

    Glenn, you hit the nail on the head.  Either *stop* calling WEEI
    "sports radio", or put sports programming on the air.
    
    At least Mustard and Doyle's humor was for the most part, Sports
    related.  Dale Arnold and Jimmy Myers are the only 2 worth tuning in
    to.
    
    Eddie Andelmann is a waste of skin.
    
    Mark.

    For example, the Phoenix-Orlando game is on PPV here on Friday.  It's
    obvious a resident can pick up the TNT or Orlando feed off his dish for
    his own enjoyment.  What stops a sports bar owner from doing the same?

�What stops a sports bar owner from doing the same?
    
    According to what I remember from the court rulings, nothing as long
    he/she isn't charging a cover.

>    According to what I remember from the court rulings, nothing as long
>    he/she isn't charging a cover.
    
    well if that's true, it's gonna get real interesting around here.

    If the PPV folks feel they are losing money due to a large number of
    bars carrying the game, you can bet it will get "interesting". 
    Fighting bar owners over violations of broadcasting rules is about the
    only courtcase the NFL has won.

    and in today's herald or glob is an account of bar-owners threatening
    to boycott miller and bud if nfl didn't layoff their scramble policy.
    
    and winning.

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    I bought a satellite dish after moving to Colorado Springs from the
    East Coast.  One reason was to be able to see the Washington Redskins
    every week.  It's great!
    
    Here's some good news for my fellow NFL "dish-heads" out there from
    next week's "Satellite TV Week":
    
    No NFL PPV
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    As the result of the National Football League's new wallet-bursting
    $4.5 billion four-year TV deal that begins this September, says sports
    columnist Fred Hoffman, no games will be sold to viewers on a
    pay-per-view (PPV) basis.  Also, C/Ku-band satellite feeds will remain
    in the clear.  According to NFL spokesman Scott Ball, "From what I'm
    told, there will not be any pay per view during the next four years." 
    NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue hinted as much during his news
    conference following the announcement of the new TV deals:  "NFL fans
    will continue to receive the broadest television coverage in sports,
    with all regular season and post-season games carried on over-the-air
    television."
    

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    Well, the news from the NFL on PPV has been reversed.  NFL satellite
    viewers and I assume sports bar goers will have to pay (one way or
    another) to watch non-local games.  Start sending those cards and
    letters to the NFL and Budweiser!
    
    Here's the news from "Satellite TV Week" Satellite Sports column by
    Fred Hoffman (January 23-29, 1994):
    
    NFL Set to Scramble in Fall
    ---------------------------
    	Contrary to what was reported here and in "Short Takes" last issue,
    the NFL has decided to begin encrypting its satellite backhauls of
    regular season games.  It will sell the network feeds of the
    out-of-market contests on a "season ticket" basis, beginning with the
    1994-1995 football campaign.
    	In last week's column, Scott Ball of the NFL Media Relations
    department told us that - as the result of the just concluded network
    TV contract - "There will not be any pay per view during the next four
    years."
    	Now, NFL communications director Greg Aiello gives us a modified
    interpretation of that statement.  "There will be no PPV [pay per view]
    in the narrow sense; that is, we will not be offering games on an
    individual basis," said Aiello.  "But in the wider sense, we will be
    offering a 'season ticket package' of out-of-market games to the home
    and commercial C-band dish market."
    	Although many details are still being worked out, this much is
    known:  Scrambled satellite backhauls should be in place by September
    1994; satellite feeds offered for sale in the "season ticket" package
    will be encrypted via VideoCipher II Plus/RS technology, compatible
    with current C-band home receivers; the "season ticket package" would
    include the games involving the dish owner's team of choice; and, no
    prices or distributors for the "season ticket package" have been set
    yet.  There's no word yet on whether the schedule of NFL games offered
    by the stations in the Denver 6 and PrimeTime 24 packages would be
    blacked out to those out-of-market TVRO subscribers.
    	Heading up football's switchover to scrambling are two pay-TV
    veterans:  Showtime's Ron Bernard, now the president of NFL Enterprises
    and - working under Bernard - Mike Schlesier, formerly of Viewer's
    Choice.
    	There's one other change at the NFL.  "Scott Ball is no longer with
    us," reports Aiello.
    

    
     re .85
    
     Hide that before Glenn Waugaman sees it. As upset as he was that
    Suns fans wouldn't be able to see ten games, he'll be downright
    suicidal over that one.

    Anyone know what to set the sattelite dish to to pick up TSN out of
    Canada?

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ESPN NET
 ESPN and PRODIGY announced an alliance to develop a
multimedia sports network, called ESPNET, through the PRODIGY
service.  Initially Prodigy subscribers will have access to
sports news, statistics, photos, bulletin boards and
commentary from ESPN.  Over time, many more features will be
added, including historical information, sound, and
eventually, viewer-controlled full-motion video.  ESPN will be
promoting the service to over sixty million homes.  In return
they will get a cut of the prodigy subscriber fees.  Dataquest
has seen steady growth of on-line membership.  But to date the
TV and PC have remained pretty much separate.  And some of our
surveys showed users have been distracted in the pass by
having to interact with programming.  However, this is a
appropriate time to test this market then with the coming of
baseball season and the endless amounts of statistics and
trivia that ESPN could provide to Prodigy's users.  One
feature being introduced for the baseball season is Player
Track, a service for fantasy league managers that allows them
to track the performances of up to 50 players.


DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY

Did anyone see the ESPN2 show with Jim Everett?  I ddin't see it, but I saw an
excerpt on the news this morning.

Seems some dweeby little guy with a black t-shirt under his sport coat (clearly
in the image "the duece" is trying to create) was interviewing Everett.  He 
called him "Chris" twice.  After the second time, Everett said "stop calling me
Chris", and the dweeb goaded him on it, Everett said "if you call me Chris 
again, you'ld better go to station break right away", to which the dweeb said
"OK Chris".  Everett got up, threw over the table, and went after the guy.  The
news show cut the tape as Everett grabbed the dweeb's lapels.

=Bob=

small note in the worcester rag said it got nasty both guys thrwoing shots 
at one another and the camera crew had to break it up......


mike

�small note in the worcester rag said it got nasty both guys thrwoing shots 
�at one another and the camera crew had to break it up......

The Duece dweeb musta been tougher than he looked then, because Everett was 
at least 4 inched taller than him, and much stronger looking.

�small note in the worcester rag said it got nasty both guys thrwoing shots 
�at one another and the camera crew had to break it up......

> The Duece dweeb musta been tougher than he looked then, because Everett was 
> at least 4 inched taller than him, and much stronger looking.

 Hey, they don't call him Chris for nothing..........

 ;^)

ESPN2, which I don't get from my cable company, seems like yet another
media cave-in to the extremely contagious "image is everything, image over
substance" disease currently invading us.

Call me old-fashioned, but if you go back a bunch of years, even as far
back as the turn of the century, sportswriters (basically the media of the
time) were so much better than what's there today.   Aside from the fact that
a lot of them were EXCELLENT writers, they seemed to be able to cover an
issue, explore an athlete's personality without resorting to slinging dirt.

There's very few, it would seem, media people today (writers, broadcasters
etc) who can do that in a coherent, meaningful way.

Nowadays, you've got this big image thing, and perhaps it is because people
have lost the ability to THINK, everything is in little sound bites, reality
bites or whatever you want to call it.    Personally, I think it sucks.



'Saw

�    Apparently, Jim was briefed as to what type of questions would be asked
�    and he was supposedly told that the interviewer would be calling him
�    'Chris.' 
 
Hmm, perhaps a bag job to garner publicity for ESPN2?

�Call me old-fashioned, but if you go back a bunch of years, even as far
�back as the turn of the century, sportswriters (basically the media of the
�time) were so much better than what's there today.   
    
    I knew you were old, 'Saw, but I didn't think you were that old!

Yeah, I thought of that too.  Perhaps the whole thing was staged.....


"Image is everything"


'Saw

|
|�Call me old-fashioned, but if you go back a bunch of years, even as far
|�back as the turn of the century, sportswriters (basically the media of the
|�time) were so much better than what's there today.   
|    
|    I knew you were old, 'Saw, but I didn't think you were that old!


Call me Ancient of Days....


No, seriously, I do a lot of reading.  A lot of the early sportswriters in 
this century were fabulous writers.  (Read Ring Lardner's short stories
sometimes -- they are wonderful).

I'm not saying they were all great, and the passage of time has this tendency
to bring the best to light and the most heinous to light, and leave the
truly mediocre and bad buried, but compared to then, today's media coverage
for the most part sucks....


'Saw

'Saw isn't that old, he's just been hanging around and listening to
Billte and Lee for too long :-)

The Crazy Met

    
      The 'Deuce Dweeb' is Jim Rome, a smug little know-it-all.
     He's hip, he's brash and he speaks his mind. Or at least that's
     how he pictures himself. In reality, he's a geek, he's obnoxious
     and he's opionated. Worth tuning in for when he has a decent
     guest but if you just want to listen to an overly opionated jerk,
     I'm always here for you.

    
    
>>    "I'm always here for you."
    
    

�      The 'Deuce Dweeb' is Jim Rome, a smug little know-it-all.
�     He's hip, he's brash and he speaks his mind. Or at least that's
�     how he pictures himself. In reality, he's a geek, he's obnoxious
�     and he's opionated. 
    
    Sounds kind of like Imus, Stern, et.al.

opionated?
'zat have something to do with poppies?

I think comparing today's sports media to yesteryear's is a bit like comparing
yesterday's ballplayers to today's - hard to do.

In days of old, it is very likely that the ONLY account of a game was in the 
newspaper, thus the writer had total free reign.  Today everything is immediate.
Electronic outlets strive to have the "scoop" in order to win audiences.  The 
quality of their reporting is secondary to timliness, impact, and "loudness".
Printed media, on the other hand, is dealing with an audience that already knows
the score, and often has seen the game already.  They search for "value added" 
to the situation, and de-emphasis straight reporting.  Today the elite sports
writers don't cover teams, they write columns.  Lardner, Grantland Rice, et al
won their greatest accolades for painting pictures of events with words.  They
weren't always assigned to specific teams, but they would be assigned to 
cover specific games, and were ususally the only reporter from their newspaper
there.

=Bob=

	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   Bring on the screen cleaner!


	billl

    Time has done a lot to filter out most of the garbage that was written. 
    Do you really think anyone would spend the time compiling a book of bad
    sports articles?

  >> opionated?
  >> 'zat have something to do with poppies?
    
     No, it has something to do with Rome always starting his questions
     with "Pa, why does..." � la Opie Taylor.

    You would perhaps enjoy "The Tumult and the Shouting" a collection of
    Grantland Rice stories with biography.
    
    Old granny spend a lot of time hobnobbing with bobby jones,Jack dempsey
    and Ty Cobb (I believe there is a Rice character in the filming of the
    movie which Clemens will appear in).
    
    Not to speak of being the father of all Notre Dame public relations
    directors and probably the one to hold most accountable for the
    lobotomizing of so many Irish fanatics, some of whom grace these
    files...
    
    another ancient one

�   You would perhaps enjoy "The Tumult and the Shouting" a collection of
�   Grantland Rice stories with biography.
 
Read it.  Great prose... 

    [email protected] articles by Tue, 5 Apr 94:

--------
Subject: NFC May Cost WBST `60 Minutes'
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 15:30:29 PDT
 
	SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) -- The city's CBS affiliate may lose ``60
Minutes'' -- and its network ties -- if it goes ahead with a plan to
carry Fox broadcasts of Chicago Bears games this fall.
	CBS, which lost its four-decade grip on NFC games when it was
outbid by the upstart Fox Broadcasting Co. in December, has said it
will offer ``60 Minutes'' to another South Bend-area station if
WSBT goes ahead with plans to carry the Bears next season.
	CBS said in a written statement that it will ``have to consider
the impact of WSBT-TV's apparent inability to carry `60 Minutes' --
a signature program of the CBS Television Network -- on its longterm
relationship with CBS.''
	South Bend is the largest television market in the nation
without a Fox affiliate. The 7-year-old network's Chicago station
is available on cable, but only about half the homes in the South
Bend area subscribe.
	Chicago is 90 miles west of South Bend, and WSBT broadcast Bears
games each of the 38 seasons CBS had the contract. The station
signed an agreement with Fox last month to carry the Bears and
about seven hours of other Fox programming.
	CBS hasn't yet told its affiliates how it will fill its Sunday
afternoons this fall, and affiliates are allowed to program as they
like in time slots the network hasn't filled.
	CBS spokeswoman Ann Morfogen did not return calls Tuesday.
	James D. Freeman, WSBT's president and general manager,
disagreed with CBS's statement that the station would be unable to
carry ``60 Minutes'' if it also broadcast the Bears.
	The station can delay its Sunday night programming, including
``60 Minutes,'' if football games run over their time slot, Freeman
said. CBS routinely pushed back the starting time of ``60 Minutes''
in the past.
	Robert Kalthoff, vice president and general manager at WSJV, the
South Bend market's ABC affiliate, said he has had preliminary
talks with CBS about ``60 Minutes.''
	Freeman would not comment on the program's status with his
station.
	When it stunned CBS with a $1.6 billion, four-year bid in
December, Fox estimated it would add enough new affiliates to reach
98 percent of TV households by the time football season begins.
	Broadcasting & Cable magazine said at least two other CBS
affiliates -- WJKA in Wilmington, N.C., and KTAB in Abilene, Texas --
both are considering carrying Fox football games.

    	OK, back to Everett and Rome.
    
    	Why would this guy call Jim "Chris?" What would that add to
    	the program? Is/Was he so childish that he couldn't call Everett
    	by his first name?
    
    	I think I'm a little cornfused.
    	Scott

     The Chris is in reference to Chris Everrett the female tennis player.

    	Yeah, I know who Chris EVERT is.
    
    	I'm just saying that this Rome fella is asking for trouble
    	when he calls someone Everett's size "Chris."
    
    	Of course, there last names are not the same, just similar.
    
    	Scott

     Yea but Rome don't care how the name is spelt. He just wants to piss
    the guy off by refering to him as Chris.

Article: 8247
From: [email protected] (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.local.new_england
Subject: Everett Attacks Host On TV
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 21:30:06 PDT
 
	BRISTOL, Conn. (AP) -- New Orleans Saints quarterback Jim
Everett, baited by a television host with taunts of ``Chris
Evert,'' attacked the interviewer during a live ESPN2 broadcast
Wednesday night.
	Everett stood up from his chair during the broadcast, overturned
a table and pounced on the fallen interviewer. An aide on the
studio set tried to pull the player away.
	ESPN2, a spinoff of the cable network EPSN that began
broadcasting last October, said neither Everett nor the
interviewer, Jim Rome, was injured.
	A Saints spokesman said the club will not make a statement on
the incident until Thursday. An ESPN spokesman said no executive at
the network was imediately available for comment.
	Testy exchanges between interviewers and sports personalities
are not uncommon. But Wednesday night's confrontation was
especially unusual in that the two parties actually came to blows.
	Everett was traded from the Los Angeles Rams to the Saints after
last season. Some of his critics, including Rome, have questioned
his toughness, mocking him as ``Chris Evert,'' a questionable
analogy considering Evert was one of the fiercest competitors in
tennis history.
	Shortly after Everett came on the show, ``Talk 2,'' he and the
host exchanged plesantries. But moments later, Rome began referring
to him as ``Chris Evert.''
	The quarterback immediately took issue, became increasingly
irritated as Rome persisted in his juvenile banter and warned him
not to do it again.
	``You better take a station break,'' Everett said. ``You've been
talking behind my back.''
	``Well, now I'm saying it to your face,'' Rome said.
	Rome, smirking, refused to back down, let alone apologize. That
seemed to irk Everett even more.
	``I bet you won't say it again,'' Everett said.
	Rome did just that.
	The 6-foot-5 quarterback stood up, placed his hand on the round
table that separated the two and smashed it into Rome. As Rome
toppled, Everett jumped on him. No punches appeared to be thrown,
although Everett clearly could have inflicted damage had he chose.
	The show cut away. After the scuffle, Rome appeared on the air
and, trying to maintain a veneer a hipness, tried to reassure his
viwers.
	``Hated for something like that to happen,'' he said. ``But
that's that.''

    	ESPN� - The all sports network for the eMpTyV generation!

> ESPN� - The all sports network for the eMpTyV generation!

Is that what you call hockey???

The Crazy Met

Re time filtering out bad writing.

This is true, but what it's really done has filter out bad writers, not the
individual writings of the great talents.

Sportswriters do write columns today, and there are still a few venues for
good sportswriting.....    And yeah, in a sense it is apples and oranges,
because nowadays so much is image over substance....


Re Rome:  Everett should've kick the living feces outta him.  I'd have paid
to see that I think....


'saw

�because nowadays so much is image over substance....
    
    based on your readings of selected articles from a bygone era...

|�because nowadays so much is image over substance....
|    
|    based on your readings of selected articles from a bygone era...


Where did I say that?  Anyone with half a brain can see this trend,
especially from the start of MTV on......


'Saw

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DZIGN::ROBICHAUD "I'mALoserBaby,SoWhyDon'tYouKillMe"   1 line   7-APR-1994 12:27
                      ^^^^^
    
    Yo Slash, ain't that kinda what the IU BBallers say to FatBob during
    practice(insert Hoosier instead_a_loser).
    
    
    MikeL
    
    

�|�because nowadays so much is image over substance....
�|    
�|    based on your readings of selected articles from a bygone era...
�
�
�Where did I say that?  Anyone with half a brain can see this trend,
�especially from the start of MTV on......
    
    Back when you said you've been comparing the recent sportswriters stuff
    to stuff you've been reading in books.
    
    Seems to me you are jumping on the bash-the-MTV-generation trend, you
    old fogie you.

|    Back when you said you've been comparing the recent sportswriters stuff
|    to stuff you've been reading in books.

I might have said it in the same paragraph but I never said that reading and
comparing that stuff led me to see this recent trend.

I really started noticing it over the last couple of years.

|    Seems to me you are jumping on the bash-the-MTV-generation trend, you
|    old fogie you.

Now, I don't dislike MTV -- there are parts that are sometimes amusing.  But
for the most part, even MTV has radically changed, not much for the better.

Even on Inside Edition there's appears to be this trend.  I had left the
TV on after the news while I was doing the dishes last night, not paying
half attention to it, but not wanting to dry my hands and go in, turn it
off, and throw in a CD.   Next thing I know they've got Downtown Julie
Brown talking fashion trends -- in a most "image over substance" trendy
way.

I rarely watch Inside Edition, but I never had the impression that it was
this trendy MTV-wannabe....

'Saw

>>            -< Not to speak of the old Irish Immortalizer hisself >-
    
>>    Not to speak of being the father of all Notre Dame public relations
>>    directors and probably the one to hold most accountable for the
>>    lobotomizing of so many Irish fanatics, some of whom grace these
>>    files...
    
   
    Hey! I take offense to, er, I forget...
    

|         <<< Note 64.124 by CTHQ::LEARY "It'sBeenALongTimeComing..." >>>
|                   -< "Outlined against a gray October sky" >-
|
|>>            -< Not to speak of the old Irish Immortalizer hisself >-
|    
|>>    Not to speak of being the father of all Notre Dame public relations
|>>    directors and probably the one to hold most accountable for the
|>>    lobotomizing of so many Irish fanatics, some of whom grace these
|>>    files...
|    
|   
|    Hey! I take offense to, er, I forget...

He's the man who coined the term "The Four Horseman of Notre Dame".....
    

    	I've always disliked the Andre Agassi commercial where he
    	say, "Image is everything." He may not mean image over
    	substance, but that's the way I took it.
    
    	Scott

|    	I've always disliked the Andre Agassi commercial where he
|    	say, "Image is everything." He may not mean image over
|    	substance, but that's the way I took it.
    
Yeah, what he said......

|    	I've always disliked the Andre Agassi commercial where he
|    	say, "Image is everything." He may not mean image over
|    	substance, but that's the way I took it.
 
Agassi is the epitome of image over substance.  I cain't stand the guy...

�Agassi is the epitome of image over substance.  I cain't stand the guy...
    
    You mean he's winning those tournaments because he's getting a good
    score on his artistic expression from the judges?

    
      I think that people who hate Agassi because he's "image over
     substance" are buying his Madison Ave-created image. The sub-
     stance is a guy who gave Pete Sampras time to recover from an 
     illness before Pete took the court.  

|�Agassi is the epitome of image over substance.  I cain't stand the guy...
|    
|    You mean he's winning those tournaments because he's getting a good
|    score on his artistic expression from the judges?

What was the last tournament he WON?  He peaked for the open, but generally 
it's a case of him losing because Courier, et.al. are less "colorful" and 
better players.

Furthermore, I was refering to his image.  He makes himself "look" like  
a) a rebel and b) a "man of the people" (I'm refering to the blue-jeans shorts,
etc), when in fact his behavior bears out that he is a spoiled, pampered, brat.

=Bob=

PS - I'll save somebody the trouble 
	"How do you really feel about Aggasi, =Bob="

    The national market ranking of the Boston metro area for TV ratings of 
    the following "major" sporting events held over the weekend:
    
    	World Cup Soccer, US-Switzerland	#  3 (Atlanta, Cinci, Boston)
    	NBAfantastic Championships              #147 ("near the bottom")
    
    
    glenn
    

    
       What exactly were the Nielsen numbers for these two events?
      Would five people in the Boston area watching the World Cup
      put us near the top?

    Meanwhile 95M watched OJ's "escort" on Friday.  Compare that with the
    118M that watched the initial attack in Desert Storm.

    From what Ive watched on the news they said the WC has been a flop ?
    About 1/2 as many tourist as were expected... They had some people
    on that paid to have table's at a soccer expo type event and about
    20% of what was expected came, from the sounds of it many of them
    lost money ?  
    
    Gee does it take any great wizardry to know that this years NBA finals
    has had lower TV ratings then in the past...
    
    								MaB

>      What exactly were the Nielsen numbers for these two events?
>      Would five people in the Boston area watching the World Cup
>      put us near the top?
    
    Believe it or not the numbers were a 9-something for the NBA and a 
    7-something for US-Switzerland, and considering that the NBA was on
    primetime on Sunday night and the soccer was on Saturday afternoon,
    that's a whupping...
    
    glenn
    

Yeah, the USA game was on in Death Valley of TV Time Slots....

    Im confused whats Higher a 9something of a 7something ????
    								MaB

>    Im confused whats Higher a 9something of a 7something ????

A 9 share is higher than a 7 share, but as Glenn said there's a difference
between Prime Time, when you expect a bunch of people will be watching,
and what I termed "death valley" a time when few people watch TV.

So what he was saying was that a 7 share in the time slot the USA was
in was better than the 9 share the NBA playoffs had at a time when lots
of folks watch TV and they should have captured more viewers.....


'saw

       
>    Im confused whats Higher a 9something of a 7something ????
    
    You're desperate, MaB.  To put it in another perspective, the Boston
    World Cup TV ratings were almost identical to even the primetime 
    Friday night NBA numbers, even with the O.J. drama drawing more people 
    to television sets, driving up the overall percentage of television 
    sets in use and therefore overall ratings.  Your vaunted NBA took a 
    drubbing, at least in the Boston area...
    
    glenn
     

    
       The OJ incident was on *every* station. If it affected NBC's
      numbers at all it was negatively. And to keep this all in per-
      spective, here in Boston candlepin bowling on Saturday morning's
      regularly draws in the fives and is usually one of the top three
      "sport" programs week in and week out. All in all, Boston is really
      a bit overrated as a sports town.

    I guess I dont understand how the ratings worked are they raw #'s
    like 7 means 7mil viewers ? Of is it on a percentage ?  Im assuming
    by your statements it based on # of viewers to reach a 7 or 9 and
    not %
    
    I thought it went by percentage meaning regarless a 9% is better
    then 7%  ????  But in terms of what the Networks care about I bet
    they made more money on Commercials during the NBA Game then with
    Soccer :-) (Boy did the sponsers of this years finals get robbed,
    plus friday's OJ couldnt have helped)..
    
    And I would not be surprised if WC would draw a higher viewship then
    the NBA even in the same time slots or competing... Im sure there's
    alot of TV Viewers out there just like myself that have turned on the
    game to see what all the hoopla was about, and If there's nothing else
    on this weekend and USA is playing I'll put it on and root for USA to
    win (There's a good shot at it, NBA will be over, NFL hasnt starter and
    baseball doesnt mean that much too me)...
    
    Isnt this like a once in a 100year type of event (WC being played on
    US Soil ?).  I think alot of investors were hoping for HUGE response
    from fans of all sports to take intrest in the once in a livetime event
    Hey I even toyed with the idea of tying to get tickets (Untill I found
    out how much..)
    
    								mab
    Whens the next time we would get the chance to see USA play in the
    World Cup inside the United states.
    

    The USA game was on opposite the RedSox, right?  

    I don't even know why they continue to post those candlepin ratings
    under sports programming.  I suppose it's in the interests of being 
    thorough, but it's a gameshow-type program with a regular timeslot, 
    sometimes even taped.
    
> All in all, Boston is really a bit overrated as a sports town.
                               
    Depends on how you look at it.  Boston has very good baseball ratings 
    (per the national average for local teams), very good hockey ratings,
    apparently great ratings for something like the World Cup, and abysmal 
    NBA and NFL ratings.  What that tells me is that for the most part 
    Boston is out of the mainstream, which to some translates to 
    parochialism but which is fine with me, if you even consider the
    number of people in front of TV sets to be a good measure of a 
    "sports town" as opposed to those in attendance or even in 
    participation.
    
    glenn
    
                 

�    Meanwhile 95M watched OJ's "escort" on Friday.  Compare that with the
�    118M that watched the initial attack in Desert Storm.

	Man, if OJ had escaped to Iraq the ratings would've been through 
the roof!!

				  /Don

    Boston is VERY overrated as a sports town, IMO. Of course, my main
    comparisons are with the other two towns I have lived near, Chicago,
    and Denver, which are probably running 1 and 2 right now, for overall
    support of their teams. It's a good sports town, but not near the
    maniacs you find in the Windy/Mile Hi Cities.
    
    Of course, IMO, where Boston lacks is in the College FB/Hoops arena,
    BC's big upsets notwithstanding. Boston's ABC affiliate regularly
    defers from showing the College FB game of the week. 
    
    Murph
     

    
    Yea, how 'bout all those people that sold out the hockey Rockies games,
    or the White Sox before they got good.
    
    
    brews

    
      If I had to rank anyone #1, it'd be Buffalo. We get a ton of Bills 
     fans at *Pats* games and Rich Stadium has been sold out forever.
     The minor league baseball team regularly draws over a million fans 
     and the Sabres get great support. Denver can't really say much yet. 
     Yes, the Broncos' fans are rabid. But I saw plenty of empty seats at 
     Nuggets games before they caught fire in the playoffs. The Rockies are 
     still new. Who knows what kind of support they'll get once the shinyness 
     wears off. And what's the name of Denver's hockey team again? The one
     thing that Denver and Buffalo both have in common is that they are
     both from smaller markets. I don't think that it's just coincidence
     that they are also rabid about their teams. Boston has as much civic
     pride as either but it isn't so wrapped up in their sports teams.

    fwiw the ratings for the game on Friday night are called not relevant
    by Nielsen because of the cut aways to the OJ stuff and the fact that
    every other station carried it.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	Here's something interesting from the internet...

From: [email protected] (LittleHurt)
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
Subject: FOX wants your feedback
Date: 12 Aug 1994 23:41:09 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Sender: [email protected]

Football fans,

Fox needs your feedback.  After seeing the FOX Sports network debut of the
NFL, I want to know what you though of the Denver - Sanfrancisco game
Friday night.
I am one of the graphics coordinators for FOX Sports. I do the graphics
for one of the NFL games you see every week. We would love suggestions,
criticisms and praises - if you have them.
My first game is Philadelphia at the Giants on Sept. 4. If you have any
particular suggestions for that game definitely leave me mail.

Thanks,
Eric Shanks
Fox Sports - Broadcast Associate

 the clock and scoreboard logo through out the game was great!!!!

 The wild West self promo wasn't bad....

 The halftime boys fell all over themselves kissing one another's butts - bad!

 Madden and Summerall still the best in the game...

 I thought the camera work was good and stayed with the action....not a lot
 of crowd shots as I remember which was good. Would have like to see the
 Cheerleaders more.......

 mike

    MikeC, it might help him more if you mail -1 to him.

 I did but only the graphics info. What does he care about cheerleaders...

 I was basically just haring my opinions with you guys cause I know how
 much you cherish them...

 ;^)

    
    
     Hi Eric,
    
     Please post more close ups of Dan Reeves.
    
     In addition, would it be possible to blip subliminal messages, say
    10 microseconds feed every 2 minutes?
    
     I'd like the message to read:
    
      SPROTS NOTES RULZ
    
     
    
    Tanks.
    

Childs watched a Donk Game ?????

    re: .155
    
    sure it was a preseason game and he figured he wouldn't have to see too
    much of Elway.
    
    HtH
    
    The Crazy Met

From: [email protected] (LittleHurt)
Sender: [email protected]
    
    
    Which one do we send it to?
    

>From: [email protected] (LittleHurt)
>    
>    
>    Which one do we send it to?


That's the one I sent mine to.  I know that will get to him personally.


I've noticed lately that AOL has a lot of people that use it.....
    

 It's going to be a great year to watch Gilligan's team. With all their
 offensive firepower, Elway's a sure bet to mess up. Heck I even enjoyed
 watching the Sowboys punch their clocks last night....

 mike

    Andleman had Rachel Robinson the widow of Jacky on last afternoon.  I
    was very much impressed with this lady who knows the essence of sports
    and is very intelligent.
    
    Eddie on the other hand is a horrible interviewer mainly because he
    just cannot listen to another person.
    
    The key question:  EA- I've compared Jacky to Pete Rose, do you
    agree[he emphasized between the lines/on the field only]
    
    RR - Know, Jacky was a man of character and that character was a part
    of his play on the field.
    
    I had to think and then understood what she was talking about but it
    did penetrate this brain but never Andelman's.
    
    Then on a late trip there is Andleman again at Bnai Brith getting an
    award from Auerbach and doing the only thing he is good at;
    entertaining thru sports putdowns (his old staple hockey).
    
    billte
    

    An "Eddie Andelman interview" is an oxymoron.
    
    His and Charles Laquidara's voice send me dashing for the dial changer
    in a picosecond.
    
    Mark.

Rachael Robinson was articulte and insightful during her cut-aways during 
Ken Burn's "Baseball".  Even after all these years she conveyed the feelings 
of the time when Jackie was playing baseball, and in his post-baseball years.

From what I can see, she is quite a person.

=Bob=

    I'll give Andelman credit on one front, though: if he doesn't actually
    know anything about sport itself, he has always been quite progressive 
    in his viewpoints on sports policy and business, particularly with 
    regard to the athletes.  Kind of like a very poor man's Howard Cosell.
    It strikes me that if were recounting his memories to Rachel Robinson 
    of seeing Jackie Robinson play and describing what it meant to him as 
    a kid and young adult, he'd be one of the few who could do it without 
    a hint of pretense.  That still doesn't mean she'd get a word in
    edgewise...
    
    Charles Laquidara, on the other hand, has no redeeming qualities and
    hasn't for decades, if ever... ;-)
    
    glenn
      

    
    Charles Laquidara, introduced me to Robin Young so that's worth plenty
    in my book.........

    ;^)


    She was even more gorgeous in person than TV..........

    Duane Glasscock was ok in his time too....

    I haven't listened to BCN in about 5 years so his present status I can't
    speak on..........

 mike      

    I know Laquidara fairly well from an ex-roomie who was his cousin. 
    Having said that, I still can't stand him.
    
    :^)
    
    Mark.

|    She was even more gorgeous in person than TV..........

Agreed.  I saw her once strolling around the Common.  Too bad
she sipped so bad at reading the news.

|    Duane Glasscock was ok in his time too....

Disagree.  Always thought he was stoopid.  JMHO.

=Bob=

    
|    I'll also admit that I've been listening to the hits of the 70s
|    station.  Reminds me of dad and mom takin' us on road trips... 

Here goes Karen with that age thing again.  Yes Karen, we
all know how young you are.

If it weren't for pot I smoked, I'd probably have some
great memories of the 70s.

    70's?  What 70's?
    
    Mark.

   
   ESPNET SportsZone | The ESPN Studios
   
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     _________________________________________________________________
   
   June 10, 1996
   
   ESPN, Inc., the established leader in televised sports news, will
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