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| 37.1 | SEC in football | GENRAL::WADE | one step ahead of the jailer... | Mon Jan 11 1993 18:56 | 4 |
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In what?
Claybroon
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| 37.2 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | RAY What now? I'm Going to Disneyworld! | Tue Jan 12 1993 08:54 | 10 |
| Ah yes, the Pathetic 10. Highest ranked football team was $#9. Went
2-4 in bowls, including choking on 4 that they were favoured in.
A persusal of College Hoops finds the highest ranked team at
Number 12.
Haven't seen the Volleyball rankings, perhaps the Pathetic 10 roolz
there.
JD
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| 37.3 | PAC-10 Hoops Standings | FRETZ::HEISER | real men wear purple | Thu Jan 21 1993 16:21 | 14 |
| Arizona squeaked by ASU last night 91-87 here in Tempe. ASU blew a
13pt second half lead.
W L
Arizona 5 0
Oregon St. 4 0 - picked by PAC coaches to win the conference
California 3 1
UCLA 2 2
USC 2 2
Arizona St. 2 3
Stanford 1 2
Washington 1 2
Washington St. 0 3
Oregon 0 4
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| 37.4 | Little skinny guys making noise | FRETZ::HEISER | it's the *ECONOMY*, STUPID! | Tue Feb 09 1993 18:27 | 19 |
| After being picked by the PAC coaches to finish last in the conference,
ASU has quietly taken over 2nd place halfway into the schedule.
They're a small team, but have a lot of offensive weapons. They are
2nd in the nation as a team in 3pt%.
They're led by Stevin "Hedake" Smith who is:
- 1st in 3ptrs pg at 4.7 (NCAA)
- 1st in scoring at 21.1 ppg (PAC)
- 3rd in steals at 3pg (PAC)
- 10th in 3pt% at 40.3% (PAC)
- 10th in assists at 3.9pg (PAC)
Coach Frieder, who is not known for strong coaching abilities, should
be a lock on PAC-10 COY. Frieder, who also coached the NBA's Gary
Grant (LAC) and Rumeal Robinson (NJN), says Smith is one of the best
guards he's ever had.
Mike
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| 37.5 | PAC-10 Hoops Standings | FRETZ::HEISER | it's the *ECONOMY*, STUPID! | Wed Feb 10 1993 16:46 | 12 |
| Conference Overall
W L W L
Arizona 8 0 14 2
Arizona St. 6 3 12 5
Oregon St. 6 3 10 8
Washington St. 6 3 12 6
Washington 5 4 11 7
California 4 4 10 6
UCLA 4 5 14 7
USC 4 5 11 7
Stanford 1 8 6 15
Oregon 0 9 7 14
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| 37.6 | PAC update | FRETZ::HEISER | Komm Gott, Sch�pfer, Heiliger Geist | Thu Mar 04 1993 18:43 | 32 |
| Arizona St. has won the PAC-10 Wrestling title (again!). The Sun
Devils are #4 in the nation and also have the winner of the NCAA
Wrestler of the Year. The national tournament is in Ames, Iowa (Iowa
St.) from March 18-20. Oregon St. was ranked #13 in the nation and
will also be in the tournament.
ASU has the #1 ranked wrestlers in the 126 and 167 pound classes as well
as the #7 in the 134 class. These 3 are also All-Americans. Shawn
Charles and Ray Miller (2 #1 ranked wrestlers) are attempting to become
ASU's first 4-time All-Americans.
Five of the 6-PAC baseball teams are ranked in the top 20: Arizona
(5), Arizona St. (9), Stanford (10), USC (12), and UCLA (16). Only Cal
is unranked. "Baseball America" calls the 6-PAC the top conference in
the country and 25% of the periodical's top 100 college prospects for
the 1993 draft are in the conference. The 6-PAC has provided the
national champion an unprecedented 22 of the last 45 times. Since the
conference formed in 1979, 5 different teams have won the national
title.
Current Basketball Standings:
W L
Arizona 13 0
Arizona St. 8 5
UCLA 8 5
Washington St. 7 6
Oregon St. 7 7
California 6 6
USC 6 7
Washington 6 7
Stanford 2 10
Oregon 2 12
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| 37.7 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | Pay for Demo.Congress decades | Fri Mar 05 1993 08:31 | 16 |
| > Five of the 6-PAC baseball teams are ranked in the top 20: Arizona
> (5), Arizona St. (9), Stanford (10), USC (12), and UCLA (16). Only Cal
> is unranked. "Baseball America" calls the 6-PAC the top conference in
> the country and 25% of the periodical's top 100 college prospects for
> the 1993 draft are in the conference. The 6-PAC has provided the
> national champion an unprecedented 22 of the last 45 times. Since the
> conference formed in 1979, 5 different teams have won the national
> title.
That must be five different teams, not five different schools.
neither USC nor UCLA have been to the CWS in that period of time.
79: CSF 80: Arizona 81: ASU 82: Miami 83: Texas
84: CSF 85: Miami 86: Arizona 87: Stanford 88: Stanford
89: Wichita 90: Georgia 91: LSU 92: Pepperdine
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| 37.8 | typo | FRETZ::HEISER | Komm Gott, Sch�pfer, Heiliger Geist | Fri Mar 05 1993 12:08 | 1 |
| I checked my sources and that should've read "national bids".
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| 37.9 | heck UT has been there 25 times since 1948 | SPECXN::BROWN | Are you a Turtle? | Mon Mar 08 1993 14:36 | 8 |
|
Mike!
I would check my source again. I know for a fact the Univ. Of Texas of the SWC
has made at least 25 bids for the CWS title which does not include those of A&M
and Arkansas.
Cadzilla
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| 37.10 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 08 1993 15:51 | 18 |
|
> I would check my source again. I know for a fact the Univ. Of Texas of the SWC
> has made at least 25 bids for the CWS title which does not include those of A&M
> and Arkansas.
I think he got the first part right; since 1947, five current Pac-10
schools have won 23 NCAA titles: USC 11, Arizona 6, Stanford 2, Cal 2,
Arizona St. 2. In that span, successful as they have been, Texas has
won it all only twice.
Of course the fact that Mike H's favorite school (the University of
Spoiled Children) won almost half of all the Pac-10 NCAA titles before
the Arizona schools even joined the Pac does not deter him from
capitalizing on the conference's good name, if it can enhance Arizona's
reputation in any way... ;-)
glenn
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| 37.11 | put that in yer pipe and smoke it | FRETZ::HEISER | Komm Gott, Sch�pfer, Heiliger Geist | Mon Mar 08 1993 16:39 | 8 |
| ...and ASU was won a lot more than USC if you count the WAC years,
despite only winning 2 (as much as Texas) since joining the PAC in
1979.
Forget Texas anyway, I'm talking conferences as a whole. Nobody
compares to the PAC in baseball (and other sports too).
Mike
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| 37.13 | Never mind; let the disinformation campaign continue! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 08 1993 16:59 | 21 |
|
> -< put that in yer pipe and smoke it >-
>
> ...and ASU was won a lot more than USC if you count the WAC years,
> despite only winning 2 (as much as Texas) since joining the PAC in
> 1979.
Negative. ASU has won four times, period (make the count I gave
earlier Arizona 4, ASU 4-- not 6,2), and only once since they
joined the PAC. They can't and never will be able to touch the
immortal Rod Dedeaux' record at USC. I was counting *all* titles for
the five schools, regardless of former conference affiliation.
Aw fergit it, why don't we just say that in wrestling, baseball,
football, you name it, the Pac-10 wins almost every title, every year,
with the Arizona schools having the greatest influence toward those
totals. In the rare event that a non-Pac-10 team does manage to win
something, let there be a national celebration!
glenn
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| 37.14 | | SPECXN::BROWN | Are you a Turtle? | Mon Mar 08 1993 17:49 | 0 |
| 37.15 | | SPECXN::BROWN | Are you a Turtle? | Mon Mar 08 1993 17:53 | 7 |
|
My mistake my assumption was that a trip to the CWS was a bid
for the title. UT has made at least 25 trip to CWS and has won 4 not two.
If I'm not mistaken UT won the first two in 47,48 again in 75 or 76 and 83.
Cadzilla
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| 37.16 | | SPECXN::BROWN | Are you a Turtle? | Mon Mar 08 1993 17:53 | 7 |
|
My mistake my assumption was that a trip to the CWS was a bid
for the title. UT has made at least 25 trip to CWS and has won 4 not two.
If I'm not mistaken UT won the first two in 47,48 again in 75 or 76 and 83.
Cadzilla
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| 37.17 | set us all straight on the troof! | FRETZ::HEISER | Komm Gott, Sch�pfer, Heiliger Geist | Tue Mar 09 1993 15:44 | 2 |
| Looks like I'll have to check the bookstore to see if they have an
official sports almanac.
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| 37.18 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Mar 09 1993 17:43 | 14 |
|
> My mistake my assumption was that a trip to the CWS was a bid
> for the title. UT has made at least 25 trip to CWS and has won 4 not two.
> If I'm not mistaken UT won the first two in 47,48 again in 75 or 76 and 83.
Yep, you're right, I didn't go back far enough; Texas won two in
1949-50 (not the first two).
What, Mike, you don't believe me that ASU hasn't won all these
dozens of wrestling amd baseball titles you've imagined? ;-)
glenn
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| 37.19 | | NERMAL::WADE | IWon'tForgetToPutRosesOnYourGrave | Tue Mar 09 1993 21:09 | 15 |
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My high school baseball team went on a road trip to Nebraska.
While in Omaha, we caught the champeenship game between USC
and ASU. This was '78.
ASU had all the horses (Hubie Brooks at SS, Sal Bando's little
brother Chris, and Bob Horner at 3rd).
USC thrashed 'em.
Horner's one of the very few guys (nowadays anyway) who stepped
right up to the majors after college. Didn't Reggie Jackson
also go straight to the show from ASU?
Claybroon
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| 37.20 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Komm Gott, Sch�pfer, Heiliger Geist | Tue Mar 09 1993 23:47 | 6 |
| > Horner's one of the very few guys (nowadays anyway) who stepped
> right up to the majors after college. Didn't Reggie Jackson
> also go straight to the show from ASU?
Yup. Others include Rick Monday, Barry Bonds (Bobby too, I think),
Odibe McDowell, Floyd Bannister, and many others...
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| 37.21 | should be a decent game | FRETZ::HEISER | there's a Whacko in Waco | Tue Mar 16 1993 14:45 | 2 |
| ASU will have to settle for the NIT once again. They host Georgetown
in the opener on Thursday night.
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| 37.23 | ARIZONA | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Mon Mar 22 1993 13:58 | 8 |
| Ya know I was resting post-schusshing in WP when I heard a medley
of Paul Revere and the Raider hits that was most satisfying. Until
I heard the last one which wa a Mark Lindsday solo that rankled.
About that time, I hoid that the Wildcats had pulled a Mama Cass.
Then I put the song and the team together,"Overrated".
MikeL
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| 37.24 | Garfield is right about Mondays | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:10 | 3 |
| Thanks MikeL for putting some laughter in my day!
The Crazy Met
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| 37.25 | yeah right | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:14 | 4 |
| Wasn't that a "weak sister conference" team that ELIMINATED Duke?
Wasn't that a "weak sister conference" team that threw a MAJOR scare
into Michigan?
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| 37.26 | Apparently he sees the light ... | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | Paying for decades of Demo.Congress | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:23 | 6 |
| > Wasn't that a "weak sister conference" team that ELIMINATED Duke?
Yes, it was.
> Wasn't that a "weak sister conference" team that threw a MAJOR scare
> into Michigan?
Yes, it was.
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| 37.27 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:38 | 4 |
| See Mike that is why Cal's win was called an upset. That is why
a UCLA win would have been called an upset.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.28 | hope this helps | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:06 | 10 |
| Yeah but a weak sister conference team shouldn't even be on the same
floor as the Big Guns of the NCAA, never mind competing with them, and
God forbid, beating one of them.
As for the Mildcats(tm), local reports state that when the Santa Clara
upset was announced at the ASU Activity Center (last Thursday night
during the ASU-Georgetown NIT game) the Uncontrollable Laughter beat
the Cheers 53%-47%.
Mike
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| 37.29 | Maybe this is the reason | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:10 | 4 |
| Well since they let teams like Rider and Eastern Carolina in I guess
they figure they need ot let in teams from the Pac-10 as well.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.30 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:31 | 5 |
| � Yeah but a weak sister conference team shouldn't even be on the same
� floor as the Big Guns of the NCAA,
But they have to be since just about every conference sends at least
their conference champ to the NCAAs. Even the Ivy league sent a team.
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| 37.31 | must have been a "fluke" | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:33 | 2 |
| But those teams didn't beat anyone significant, if at all. They were
trounced.
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| 37.32 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:34 | 3 |
| � -< must have been a "fluke" >-
As someone else said, that's why they call it an upset.
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| 37.33 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:40 | 8 |
| Lets see, Princeton lost to Georgetown by 1 point as a #16 seed; if the
ref in that game had any guts he would have called the foul on Georgetown
as time was running out and awarded Princeton 2 foul shots. Penn didn't exactly
get trounced by UMass.
One of the greates things about the NCAA tournament is that major upsets
happen every year, and near upsets occur all the time.
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| 37.34 | NCAA can't say that | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:42 | 1 |
| Georgetown was in the NIT where everyone had a winning record.
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| 37.36 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:45 | 6 |
| re: .34
Mike I'm referring to the Georgetown - Princeton game in the NCAA 3 years
ago, not this years NIT.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.37 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:45 | 4 |
| From what I've heard on television, quite a few teams in the
NIT have a "whining" record too.
/Don
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| 37.38 | Hmm, what a novel idea! | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:49 | 8 |
| Tommy, you're correct, but folks in here claimed that Arizona built
their record and ranking on a bunch of "Tijuana School for Wayward
Girls"-type schools. Under assumptions like that, Michigan and Duke
should've blown the doors off of UCLA and Cal.
Maybe the conference was a wee bit tougher than given credit for.
Mike
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| 37.39 | My apologies for mentioning logic | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 15:52 | 8 |
| re: .38
That logic just doesn't work. Arizona could have indeed built a record against
a bunch of "Tijuana School for Wayward Girls"-type schools. And any one
of those schools could then have played a top team tough - it happens. It
does not prove that the teams that played above their heads are that good.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.40 | how long can upset-minded play be sustained? | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:00 | 5 |
| Then the inverse of the logic doesn't work either. Afterall, who is to
say when and where a team plays over their head? Cal happened to beat
Arizona very easily in Berkley a couple weeks ago.
Mike
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| 37.41 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:06 | 6 |
|
>> how long can upset-minded play be sustained?
For a college hoops answer see NC State in 1983 and Villanova in 1985.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.42 | must actually be talented | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:08 | 2 |
| Ok so 3 weeks. Cal shouldn't have beaten Duke then. They've been playing
that way longer than that.
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| 37.43 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:10 | 8 |
|
>> Ok so 3 weeks. Cal shouldn't have beaten Duke then. They've been playing
>> that way longer than that.
Could also mean they were playing patsies from the Pac-10 before the NCAA
tournament and then got hot.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.44 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:12 | 1 |
| I always thought Duke was a bunch of patsies.
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| 37.45 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:16 | 5 |
| >> I always thought Duke was a bunch of patsies.
Then that makes Cal's win even less impressive.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.46 | definite maybe | HBAHBA::HAAS | Nanook Wannabe | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:20 | 11 |
| > I always thought Duke was a bunch of patsies.
Then that makes the rest of the field that lasted 2 years even less
impressive.
Cal has been playing well the last couple of weeks - 10 or 11 games.
Their win over Duke is an upset, however, in terms of how the teams were
seeded as well as their national ranking. FWIW, it was also a_upset in
terms of the betting public who settled for Duke as a 7 point favorite.
TTom
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| 37.48 | not as good as earlier | HBAHBA::HAAS | Nanook Wannabe | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:53 | 15 |
| yeahbut...
This Duke team is not what they were earlier in the season. I think Duke
peaked at or about the time they beat Michigan. After that, the chemistry
fell off and then Grant Hill was hurt. They never returned to the early
season form.
The other thing to consider is that Duke finished 3rd in the ACC so this
isn't about the best that the ACC could offer versus a_also ran PAC10
team. Didn't Cal finish second?
Laettner was a great, if not likeable, college player. The jury is out on
how good he is in the NBA.
TTom
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| 37.49 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:56 | 4 |
|
Laettner could be Duke's latest version of Danny Ferry. heh heh.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.50 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:30 | 1 |
| TCM, we agree again. Shaq should've went to Barcelona.
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| 37.51 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:35 | 5 |
| > TCM, we agree again
Please don't say that so loud :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 37.52 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:39 | 3 |
| OK
TCM WE AGREE AGAIN!
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| 37.53 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Arsenio spotted with golf pants... | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:50 | 3 |
| UCLA didn't win, so what's the discussion... Michigan was considered
the weakest #1 of the 4, and turned it on when they needed to. But
they still lost... Their best team couldn't beat Santa Clara.
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| 37.54 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon Mar 22 1993 21:56 | 15 |
| > UCLA didn't win, so what's the discussion... Michigan was considered
> the weakest #1 of the 4, and turned it on when they needed to. But
> they still lost...
The 2nd place team (actually UCLA, Cal, and ASU were all tied for 2nd)
from the "weakest" major conference shouldn't even given Michigan a
game. That's the discussion! Is the PAC underrated or is Michigan
overrated?
>Their best team couldn't beat Santa Clara.
For clarity's sake, their best regular season team. In retrospect,
even that may not be true.
Mike
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| 37.55 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Arsenio spotted with golf pants... | Tue Mar 23 1993 09:34 | 0 |
| 37.56 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Tue Mar 23 1993 10:54 | 4 |
| Shaq should've went to Barcelona, but so far Laettner is no
Ferry. He would start on the Celtics (for what that's worth).
/Don
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| 37.57 | | CTHQ::LEARY | US:WorldCop,WillPuffChestForMoney | Tue Mar 23 1993 12:42 | 7 |
| Yo,
Some_a_the Slac10 post-season success is obviously due to late season
peaking. All of which is anathema to consistent_regular_season_success_
but_no_end-of_year_peaks_cuz_a_it_upsets_The_System_UNC_apologists.
MikeL
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| 37.58 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC-ExcellentLossInWaiting | Tue Mar 23 1993 12:46 | 6 |
| You wonder where all these writers are that were criticizing the
California administration after they fired Lou Campenelli. Cal to me
looks like the class of the PAC10 so how bad a move can it be when you
get rid of a guy who's got such a talented team underachieving?
/Don
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| 37.59 | DALE IS TO BLAM! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Nanook Wannabe | Tue Mar 23 1993 14:22 | 13 |
| We all know that the only reason that Cal beat Duke was cuz Dale Brown
said the Duke would blow em out. The PAC10 should hire Dale to predict
their season and they would be fine.
In any case, back to a question that Mike asked: Yes, I think that
Michigan is overrated. They have the talent which gives them the rankings
but they have a major attitude - or lack therein - problem. They seem
more interested in ending the season so they can sign on with the NBA
than actually focusing on the game at hand. Unfortunately for the rest of
the remaining field UCLA probably woke them up and will at least give
Fischer something to preach about.
TTom
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| 37.60 | | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Tue Mar 23 1993 14:49 | 8 |
|
To answer Mike's question, Michigan is definately overrated. Each of
the starting five has a lot of talent and can do a lot for your team,
but Michigan is not a TEAM. They are a bunch of individuals playing
the game of basketball.
Marc
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| 37.61 | haw haw | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Tue Mar 23 1993 15:29 | 1 |
| Ok, I understand now. Michigan = '84 L.A. Lakers
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| 37.62 | fyi | FRETZ::HEISER | break this ball and chain | Thu Apr 22 1993 18:01 | 8 |
| BTW - I never updated the National Rasslin' Rankings.
1. Iowa St.
2. Oklahoma St.
3. Penn St.
4. Arizona St.
ASU finished with 5 All-Americans and 2 individual national champs.
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| 37.63 | PAC contributes 31 players to the NFL | FRETZ::HEISER | the sun was setting in Avalon | Tue Apr 27 1993 17:01 | 2 |
| Well, well, well. Guess what conference had the most members
represented in the NFL draft this year.
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| 37.64 | Devils take over PAC | FRETZ::HEISER | the sun was setting in Avalon | Tue Apr 27 1993 17:10 | 26 |
| ASU has quietly surged to the #2 spot in the nation (Baseball America
and USA Today) and has taken over first in the PAC. They've won 20 of
their last 24 (11 of last 12) and have jumped 4 slots with their 38-15
record. The Devils have swept all PAC teams except for Arizona
(ranked #9) and UCLA (ranked #21). They took 2 of 3 from UCLA this
weekend. Junior Paul LoDuca is currently on a 31-game hitting streak and
has a conference leading .455 average with 107 hits and 72 RBI's. The
Devils have 6 games at home and 1 game in Tucson to end the season.
Team W L GB
Arizona St. 15 9 -
Arizona 14 11 1�
UCLA 13 12 2�
USC 13 12 2�
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A r i z o n a S t a t e U n i v e r s i t y
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| 37.65 | Did ASU win the wrasslin' title again this year? ;-) | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Apr 27 1993 17:25 | 1 |
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| 37.67 | UA ROOLZ | AD::HEATH | The jinx is broken, Sox '93 Champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 08:28 | 8 |
|
Is Brock still coaching at ASWHO? If he is they still stink no
matter what there record.
Jerry
I used to live in Tucson and still follow the CATS.
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| 37.68 | Rassl'n ain't no sprot! ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Wed Apr 28 1993 10:44 | 1 |
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| 37.69 | oh boy, a rival | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:27 | 8 |
| > -< UA ROOLZ >-
Especially in hoops! {insert hysterical laughter}
> Is Brock still coaching at ASWHO? If he is they still stink no
> matter what there record.
Yup, and the UA is always looking up to the top at them.
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| 37.70 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:30 | 9 |
|
> Is Brock still coaching at ASWHO? If he is they still stink no
> matter what there record.
Brock's still there, but they lost their longtime pitching coach in a
bizarre shoplifting scandal. Mike H can supply the details...
glenn
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| 37.71 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:34 | 4 |
| So the Pathetic 10 must be filled with inept coaches. All that Pro
Talent and can't even get teams in da Top 5....
JD
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| 37.72 | | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Wed Apr 28 1993 11:48 | 8 |
| > Brock's still there, but they lost their longtime pitching coach in a
> bizarre shoplifting scandal. Mike H can supply the details...
Actually it wasn't a shoplifting scandal, more along the lines of
indecent exposure.
JD, maybe you're hip to the new math, but when I went to school #2 was
in the Top 5.
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| 37.73 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Boston Broons� - JuggerNOT | Wed Apr 28 1993 13:09 | 4 |
| Hey JD, take a gander of how many ND players went in the draft
and ask yourself why that team wasn't #1.
/Don
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| 37.74 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Apr 28 1993 13:52 | 6 |
|
Mike -
What Pathetic 10 football team was #2??
JD
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| 37.75 | | CTHQ::LEARY | I don't do ND spandex | Wed Apr 28 1993 14:03 | 16 |
| /er,
Ya don't have to axe. I'll tellya. With allthe potential #1's at skill
positions, I soitanly thought last year was ND's bested chance at
numero uno. All ya gotta remember is early-year setbacks. Wif TopGun
(Mirer) and Battering Ram(Bettis) having mediocre to terrible games
agin Michigan and Stanford, with s=credit due to those teams, #1
thoughts were almost gonzo. No solace to moi, but they sure looked
impressive to end the season at #4.
MikeL
Yo, Heiservane. What's this with all the ASU adolation again?
Seems that whence they lost to ND early in the year, you was giving
up the ghost. Done tol' ya that ASU would recover.
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| 37.76 | get into the now | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:00 | 2 |
| JD, you didn't specify football and I assumed you meant either
basketball or baseball since those seasons are current.
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| 37.77 | curioser | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:14 | 3 |
| Some PAC10 baseball players were drafted by the NFL?
TTom
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| 37.78 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 15:37 | 2 |
| Nah, must have been basketball..
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| 37.79 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel, but no Intel inside | Wed Apr 28 1993 17:09 | 1 |
| Wasn't Reggie Jackson drafted by the NFL?
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| 37.80 | Deion's school is ACC now... | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 17:19 | 1 |
| Dave Winfield was... but he went to a Big-10 school...
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| 37.81 | | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Wed Apr 28 1993 17:30 | 1 |
| Didn't Danny White play baseball too?
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| 37.82 | Ok, here's one... but hoop, not gridiron | ROYALT::ASHE | Det. Teamsters:92-93 DEChoop champs | Wed Apr 28 1993 17:39 | 1 |
| Kenny Lofton went to U of A...
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| 37.83 | 'zona baseball is usually good... | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Don Cherry and Seinfeld Roolz | Wed Apr 28 1993 18:06 | 4 |
| Well Mike, you was a crowing about da NFL draft, so I assumed you'd get
the connection.
JD
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| 37.84 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Wed Apr 28 1993 18:24 | 6 |
|
Bullwinkle went to WassaMatter U.
;^)
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| 37.85 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel, but no Intel inside | Wed Apr 28 1993 19:46 | 5 |
|
I was pretty sure Reggie was a 10th or 11th round pick. He played
football for ASU his sophmore year, I think.
brews
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| 37.86 | The good ole days | QUASER::JACKSONTA | If you see Kay | Thu Apr 29 1993 11:24 | 5 |
| I went to ASU to chase girls around (sin city). I wasn't drafted
by the NFL though. My speed was questionable according to scouting
reports.
Tim
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| 37.87 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Thu Apr 29 1993 12:35 | 9 |
| re: .86
Does that mean you weren't fast??
re: WassaMatterU
I always preferred the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople
The Crazy Met
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| 37.88 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel, but no Intel inside | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:10 | 5 |
|
ASU came from 9 strokes back on the lasted day (yesterday)to win the
NCAA golf title. Who was the team that choked?
Arizona! No surprise at the choke!
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| 37.89 | ROOLIN! | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Thu Apr 29 1993 13:34 | 11 |
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| 37.90 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | If you see Kay | Thu Apr 29 1993 19:27 | 3 |
| No I wasn't/am not. Something about going thru the motions...
Tim
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| 37.91 | | DYPSS1::ROPER | MAC IS BACK! | Fri May 14 1993 12:21 | 8 |
| Can any of you PAC-10 folks give me an update on Kentucky's latest
addition? He's Mark Pope from the University of Washington. Pope, at
6'9, decided to transfer to UK after Washington's head coach left.
Pope, who just completed his sophomore season at UW, was named the
PAC-10 freshman of the year in 1990-1991.
Thanks - Bob
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| 37.92 | Stuff garnered from the papers... | DECWET::METZGER | Imagine your logo here. | Fri May 14 1993 14:53 | 15 |
|
Pope was a much heralded recruit when he signed w/ the U-dub. He along
with some other dude that graduated this year was supposed to turn the
program around. They didn't.
He was supposed to be the next coming of Detlef Schrempf. He isn't. He's a
tall guy that can play a little offense and a little defense. He'll be a decent
7th or 8th man for Kentucky but he won't be eligible until the 94-95 season.
He's nothing to get terribly excited about.
He left after they let go coach Nance who had problems with different players
on the team and had been accused of racism.
Metz
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| 37.93 | NCAA seedings are forthcoming | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon May 17 1993 16:45 | 2 |
| ASU wins their first PAC baseball title since 1988 by sweeping Arizona
over the weekend.
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| 37.94 | fyi | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Wed May 26 1993 18:46 | 2 |
| 3 of the college baseball polls rated ASU #1 going into postseason
play.
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| 37.95 | So many nights, I sit by my window... | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Wed May 26 1993 19:13 | 1 |
| Gee, someone must have snarfed them...
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| 37.96 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Wed May 26 1993 19:49 | 4 |
| > -< So many nights, I sit by my window... >-
that's not Axx Sxxxxx! That's Dxxxxx Bxxxx! next thing you'll be
singing Axxxxxxx songs!
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| 37.97 | There was something in the air at night... | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Thu May 27 1993 01:14 | 1 |
| I know, but I only know so many Air Supply lyrics...
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| 37.98 | | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Thu May 27 1993 09:47 | 19 |
| Where's JD when you need him?
Loved that little blurb I saw in both Boston papers regarding Bill
Walsh's blasts towards UDub and subsequent apologies to Don James and
the Washington AD. Seems that Walsh called UDub a "rogue" operation
only interested in football from its athletes and not giving a darn
about academics.
His follow-up apologies were an obvious pc cover-up. HAHAHA
Won't take much more time for Walsh to quickly surpass UDub as the
best in the Pac10, USC's hope for a Mike Garrett/John Robinson
Trojan rejuvenation notwithstanding.
John McKay's wqorst fears coming true... the Radcliffe of the PAC 10
(McKay's words) dominating like the 20's and 30's.
MikeL
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| 37.99 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Thu May 27 1993 10:26 | 2 |
| Break those chains that bind you...
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| 37.100 | You know, I'll still love you... | ROYALT::ASHE | Burning both ends of the knife... | Thu May 27 1993 10:27 | 1 |
| Number 100... happy happy, joy joy...
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| 37.101 | They haven't all been out in the sun too long! ;-) | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:05 | 8 |
|
I had to laugh last night when my brother's girlfriend, a ASU alum
visiting from Tempe, told me that Arizona St's return to the CWS was a
moral victory in itself because only in the past year has most of the
athletic department gotten out of jail...
glenn
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| 37.102 | da troof | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:35 | 2 |
| Actually, ASU sports are experiencing a_re-emergence since I first step
foot on campus last summer.
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| 37.103 | Football rankings?? | POLAR::FAZIO | | Thu Jul 15 1993 11:10 | 1 |
| Any word out west yet RE: preseason football rankings??
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| 37.104 | ASU is the best, forget the rest | FRETZ::HEISER | light without heat | Thu Jul 15 1993 15:22 | 1 |
|
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| 37.105 | Waiting for a last JD salvo | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Thu Jul 15 1993 15:26 | 1 |
|
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| 37.106 | Does .104 look familiar? | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Thu Jul 15 1993 15:44 | 4 |
| So when ASU doesn't win the Pac-10 will Mikey properly put an entry into
the Crow note??
The Crazy Met
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| 37.107 | probably not | FRETZ::HEISER | light without heat | Thu Jul 15 1993 17:10 | 1 |
| at this rate, I won't be noting in here much longer.
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| 37.108 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Thu Jul 15 1993 17:49 | 3 |
| Its hard to find sympathy when you bring things on yourself.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.109 | that's a joke | FRETZ::HEISER | light without heat | Thu Jul 15 1993 18:42 | 2 |
| Nobody deserves that kind of treatment regardless of what I did (which
was nothing really). Many even stated it's BENEATH SPROTS.
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| 37.110 | we can play handball against da curb! | GENRAL::WADE | MyGetUpAndGoMustaGotUpAndWent | Fri Jul 16 1993 08:54 | 4 |
|
Beneath SPROTS? Can't happen! :*)
Claybone
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| 37.111 | | WREATH::DEVLIN | It's just time to say hor d'oevre... | Fri Jul 16 1993 10:32 | 9 |
| Mike H -
Be a man. Go and check archives from years back - maybe RUBY:: days. There were
multiple JD notes giving me crap "JD's nightmare note" and others. Stuff was worse
than what you got. But I was main enough to laugh it off and keep on going.
People in glass houses and all that...
JD
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| 37.112 | | ROYALT::ASHE | I'm back in the saddle again... | Fri Jul 16 1993 10:36 | 1 |
| Many?
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| 37.113 | | FRETZ::HEISER | light without heat | Fri Jul 16 1993 17:04 | 2 |
| real main's don't write sappy, whining "crow" notes to appease people
that don't know how to root for a team.
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| 37.114 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Jul 16 1993 17:12 | 9 |
|
> real main's don't write sappy, whining "crow" notes to appease people
> that don't know how to root for a team.
You mean like abandoning a team and saying "it's over" when they drop a
couple games?
glenn
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| 37.115 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Fri Jul 16 1993 17:19 | 8 |
| Hmm, many folks here still root for the Red Sox despite all the heart
break. At least one of us roots for the Mets even though they are
stinkin' it up bigtime. I don't see the Pitt fans chanign who they're
rooting for. Of course I have notcied one person who has changed some
allegiances from the Celtic to .. oh never mind.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.116 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Jul 16 1993 17:23 | 4 |
| � real main's don't write sappy, whining "crow" notes to appease people
� that don't know how to root for a team.
I thought the problem was the whining going on in the crow note.
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| 37.117 | Finis | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Fri Jul 16 1993 17:40 | 8 |
| Why don't we all drop this manure.
MikeyH has his convoluted reasons so why don't we respect them and
let him continue to fall on his sword which he will do unaided
by us.
MikeL
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| 37.118 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Sun Aug 22 1993 23:51 | 8 |
| Where is JD when 'ya need him??
UW was put on 2 years probation by the NCAA, this include no Bowl
games for 1993 and 1994 seasons, no TV appearances for 1993.
Their footbal coach resigned.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.119 | He'll get another job for more $$$ | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is one year old!!! | Mon Aug 23 1993 09:49 | 1 |
| Don James = rat deserting a sinking ship
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| 37.120 | they weren't a factor anyway | FRETZ::HEISER | slow burn | Mon Aug 23 1993 20:26 | 1 |
| It was the harshest punishment the PAC's ever handed down.
|
| 37.121 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Tue Aug 24 1993 12:12 | 3 |
| What exactly were they(UW and coach James) guilty of ?
Keith
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| 37.122 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Hey... what's going on? | Tue Aug 24 1993 12:19 | 2 |
| Paying players, giving meals to recruits, other things...
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| 37.123 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | squished tomatoes | Tue Aug 24 1993 13:11 | 7 |
|
Although I think James has a legitimate beef (they got hit harder than
Clemson did, for *much* less), I can't see how he can justify in his
mind that it is ok for him to leave his recruits, after saying the
PAC10 was being unfair to his players.
brews
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| 37.124 | | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Tue Aug 24 1993 13:35 | 12 |
| I too question James' decision to leave under these circumstances,
it does seem like he is deserting the ship.
And I raised me eyebrows at the severity of the PAC10 sanctions,
especially since UDUb seems like a first-time offender who
cooperated.
What gives up in Wash.??
MikeL
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| 37.125 | As a Trojan fan I'm delighted even though 4X ROOLS!!!!!! | 38728::CHILDS | ERS, cause everybody can't play U2 | Tue Aug 24 1993 13:43 | 9 |
|
>>> What gives up in Wash.??
Billy Jo 50K? Jobs that didn't exsists and the other previously mentioned
charges. James knew and he condone it IMO. Now he cries he's clean and
cooperated give me a break.....
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| 37.126 | First real non-conference game Mack's played since, ... ever! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 24 1993 13:53 | 7 |
| So what's the scoop with Southern Cal this year. Are they worthy of
the 8.5 points they're giving away against UNC this weekend? Seems
kindof steep for two (2) teams ranked almost the same in preseason
polls.
- ACC Chris
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| 37.127 | does ncaa give it the dec nod?? | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Tue Aug 24 1993 13:53 | 5 |
| Thanks mike,
I was lookin' fer the Seattle spin!! 8^)
MikeL
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| 37.128 | GO DROODS! | OUTSRC::HEISER | slow burn | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:01 | 7 |
| 37.129 | Long note about the whole thing... | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:02 | 94 |
|
Since this is the biggest media story out here since the latest sinking of the
floating bridge I'll fill y'all in on the details and then what the punishments
were and then the media, university and my reactions to the whole deal...
The details are...
QB Billy Joe Hobert solicited and then accepted $50k in loans during 1992. It
was discovered during the '92 season. Hobert was declared ineligible and the
PAc 10 looked into the situation and decided that UW didn't have to forfeit any
games he appeared in.
Then the media (who were previously UW football lapdogs) actually started
looking into the program and uncovered some more dirt like improper recruiting
contacts by some boosters, UW players getting payed more for summer jobs than
other employees and getting free meals, UW players getting cheap cars loans w/
no visible method of payment.
The UW investigated and the PAC 10 investigated. They never found that the
coaches had any direct involvement in these wrongdoings and that it appeared to
be the acts of over zealous boosters.
The PAC 10 decided on the following punishments....
No bowls games for 2 years, reduced scholarships by 30 this year and 25 next,
Not elegible for PAC 10 title and (this is the one that sticks in the craw of
many) they were allowed to play on TV but all revenue went into the PAC 10
coffers (no mention of what it was to be used for).
The reaction by the university ( persident through AD through coaches through
players) was to have a press conference and then whine about how the penalties
were too severe. The coach of the Huskies Don James resigned saying that it was
the strongest possible statement he could makes about how the PAC10 was
treating the UW unfairly and if that's how they presidents of the other
universities were going to insult his character ( he thinks the penalties were
to harsh because the PAC10 committe thinks he and his staff were in on
everything) then he'd resign....
Here are my feelings on the matter...
First of all too much is being made of it. The Media is overreporting this
thing. It's not like the university isn't allowing students to graduate it's
simply the football team isn't going to the Rose Bowl for 2 years...
I'm disgusted with the representatives of the University and the whining they
are doing on TV. Instead of being petulant and complaining about the penalties
they should have said something like this; "We screwed up, here are the
penalties, we think they are too harsh but will abide by them. Here is what we
are doing to make sure this never happens again." Then they should have
proposed an alternate plan where the TV money they were going to rake in would
have gone to something constructive instead into the general coffers of the
PAC10. They might have considered working on the graduation rate of the
football players as well.
I'm disgusted with the PAC10. It's pretty obvious that the other member schools
were getting tired of being pounded by Washington in the past 5 years and saw a
way to hurt the program for a significant amount of time. The penalties are
pretty harsh compared to what the NCAA has handed down to other programs that
have flagrantly broken the rules. Despite what Mike Heiser blabbers The
University of Washington is a football power that the rest of the PAC10 fears.
The PAC10 is acting like some bad cops after busting a pimp by saying "We
caught you, we know you're bad but because you make us so much money we'll
leave you on the street to prostitute yourself for us. Just don't stop the $$$$
from coming in." The whole deal with Tv being allowed but the cash going to the
PAC10 stinks to high heaven.
I'm sure the networks are happy and disappointd at the same time..Happy because
the annual UW vs. Michigan matchup in the Rose Bowl was really getting old and
tv ratings for the big daddy were slipping...Sad because there isn't anybody
else in the PAC10 that has a real shot at a national title year in and out and
having a potential national title winner in the bowl games is what it's all
about.
I'm mostly disgusted with Don James. For a man that's always preached about
overcoming the odds and never quitting he certainly turned tail and split at
the first sign of bad times. If he really cared about the kids he recruited he
would have stuck it out and tried to teach them to be the best football players
they could be during this time. The grand show of resigning didn't accomplish
one damn thing except make him look guilty and like a quitter.
I'm not on the side of the university in this issue. I find it hard to believe
that a program with, I guess, 1 coach for every 10 players didn't know that
guys with no support and fresh out of the LA projects were showing up at school
with brand new camaros and monster trucks. I find it hard to believe that some
coach didn't overhear in the locker room that guys had summer jobs where they
didn't do any work. I think that if you dug hard enough you'd find this in
almost any program though.
The botom line is, they got caught, they should shut up and do the time and get
a program in place that makes sure these infractions don't happen again. The
football program brings in $24 million into the Udub every year. With that sort
of scratch they could afford to make sure they followed the rules.
Metz
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| 37.130 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | slow burn | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:07 | 9 |
| 37.131 | And I did think that Washington was out of control... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:11 | 13 |
|
I do agree that regardless of the extent of the penalties and whether
they were deserved or not, that it's a major conflict of interest to
have the presidents of the other Pac-10 schools voting on Washington's
fate. They can talk all they want about resolving their problems
internally so that they don't have to go up to the big boys (the NCAA),
but that only holds water if you can honestly say that these presidents
are detached and objective authorities (i.e., there are no money
interests at stake). And I don't think that proposition has much
credibility...
glenn
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| 37.133 | This was a travesty, plain and simple. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:19 | 12 |
| For any of you doubting Waugamain's claim that fellow PAC-10 presidents
have no vested interest in this ....
Cain anybody guess where Washington gets all its best players?!
California, that's where.
- ACC Chris
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| 37.134 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie is one year old!!! | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:21 | 10 |
| � This whole mess also points out the problem with the way justice is
� meted out in college athletics, the university, it's fans and it's
� players suffer but the coaches move on, usually to better paying jobs.
BINGO (in this case at least).
Look for James to show up the firsted NFL coach to get canned.
=Bob=
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| 37.135 | | CTHQ::LEARY | McSorley,McFilthy,McNasty | Tue Aug 24 1993 14:30 | 15 |
| The penalty that stood out the most was the scholarship reductions.
What is the correct # per year ( I've seen a couple of figures)?
Yup, having the PAC10 officials decide UDub's fate is just like
having Internal Affairs at each PD. And that doesn't exonerate Wash.
I suppose thwe UDub faithful can't wait for Bill Walsh and the Stanford
Cardinal to visit... after the Genius accused James of running a
rogue operation..
Vewy interesting..
MikeL
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| 37.136 | | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Tue Aug 24 1993 15:05 | 18 |
|
I doubt that James will coach again. He termed his resignation a retirement
instead of as a resignation for a reason.
He's no spring chicken and he's a pretty principaled guy. He said in a radio
interview yesterday that he wouldn't coach again. I think he made the wrong
decision by quitting but he isn't a larry brown type who resigns for a better
position. He did it to make a statement...
Washington has the option to resign from the PAC10 if they want to...
Maybe they should move to the Big10 (11) or shudder...join the big east :-)
Metz
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| 37.137 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | squished tomatoes | Tue Aug 24 1993 15:34 | 6 |
|
I agree with Metz that the other schools appreciated the opportunity
to even things out with UW, and ASU had a major hand in this. From
what I read, the PAC10 officials seemed upset that UW showed little
remorse, and that affected the size of the penalty.
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| 37.138 | fwiw | FRETZ::HEISER | he that dies with more toys, still dies | Tue Aug 24 1993 17:50 | 5 |
| Re: -1
I don't know about that Brews. ASU had an official that chaired the
committee. I don't know enough about the chairperson's
responsibilities to say ASU had a major hand in the decisions.
|
| 37.139 | JD for a Friday afternoon | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Aug 27 1993 17:19 | 27 |
| From JD - I know you all wanted to hear what he had to say about UW's
recent woes (excerpts with permission):
-------------------------------------------------------
I've read with great interest the recent woes of
the flagship of the Pathetic 10 - UDub, and could
only smirk when the great holy man, Don James,
resigned in disgrace. He looks like Left Dizzle's
dance partner.
I imagine that all of those in SPORTS that poo-pooed
my expose' of the wrongdoings of the Huskies footaball
program and thought I was on some sort of vendetta
against them and the great state of Wishington, have
already entered notes asking for my NOTES spirit to
forgive them. Once again, I was proven right.
My inside source, a coach at UDub (track), had told me
about the 'dub's footaball practices....I knew that
they would come tumbling down. Now, if they were
real mainly there, they'd renounce their tainted
trophy and resign themselves to playing in that
gutter league of rogues, miscreants, and rejects from
Dexter Manley's School of Speed Reading. If Stanford
ever left the Pathetic 10, the GPA of the league
would fall to around 0.
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| 37.140 | so THAIR! | FRETZ::HEISER | like kissin' thru a windowpane | Fri Aug 27 1993 18:29 | 5 |
| >Dexter Manley's School of Speed Reading. If Stanford
>ever left the Pathetic 10, the GPA of the league
>would fall to around 0.
note as long as I'm in the PAC-10 it won't.
|
| 37.141 | Not a purty site,Anaheim, first Fresno St,now UNC | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Aug 30 1993 10:09 | 7 |
| Ouch!
USC takes it on da chin, 31-9 to the previously underachieving Heels.
McFadden breaks ankle. Johnny Rob needs Tums.
MikeL
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| 37.142 | PAC-10 preview | FRETZ::HEISER | like kissin' thru a windowpane | Mon Aug 30 1993 19:20 | 60 |
| {my paraphrase of the Arizona Republic's version}
1. Arizona - the favorite to win the conference. 7 defensive starters
return to one of the nation's toughest defenses. Their schedule is
favorable since they don't play the Huskies and they play the Trojans
in Tucson. The question marks are they have a new offense (they trashed
the option and entered the '90s) and have a first-year QB. Rob Waldrop
(NG) and Sean Harris (ILB) are candidates for national honors.
2. USC - the Trojans have 18 returning starters and John Robinson back as
coach. They have 2 glaring weaknesses though: their schedule and lack
of team speed. In addition to playing the Wildcats in Tucson, they
face the Huskies in Seattle. The defense figures to be one of the
conference's best and will use a new 4-man front. The starting and
backup QB's return.
3. Washington - UDub lost 7 defensive starters and a QB before the NCAA
sanctions came down. Damon Huard (soph) and Eric Bjornson (jr) are the
leading QB candidates. They will have a frontline returning 4 starters
to work behind. They also still have Napolean Kaufman. Despite 3
successive Rose Bowl appearances, consensus was they were starting to
slip back into the rest of the PAC before being penalized. Personally,
I think they'll be more motivated with something to prove. Only time
will tell if that's enough against the rest of the improved teams.
4. ASU - several publication picked them to finished 2nd, but could really
figure into the Rose Bowl race if they stay healthy. The Droods lost 5
starters on offense, 6 on defense, plus their kicker and punter. That
might be offset since Coach Snyder has had 2 full springs and a full
season to implement his system. Grady Benton, the all-time efficiency
record holder for freshmen, gives the Droods a stable QB situation
(unlike last year). Mario Bates (leading NCAA rusher before injury
last year) and George Montgomery are coming back from knee surgery. If
they return to form, the Droods could have the best running tandem in
the conference. 4 starters return on the offensive line. The
defensive line is a question mark and has to be rebuilt.
5. Stanford - Cardinal have 6 starters returning from offense,
including their QB, and should score lots of points. They will need
it though because of their defense. 7 defensive starters will have to
be replaced. 3 linebackers and 3 of the 4 secondary-men.
6. Oregon - Ducks return 7 each on offense and defense. The writer
claims that taking the PAC title or a bowl berth aren't unrealistic for
the Ducks.
7. UCLA - Bruins were to have 8 defensive starters returning until
Bruce Walker (NG) had a problem with the law. He'll miss the season.
Only 5 offensive starters return, none at QB.
8. California - the Bears have lost their 1,000-yard rusher (Russell
White) and 1,000-yard receiver (Sean Dawkins) but retain their QB.
9. WSU - for a change, the Cougars will emphasize defense this year.
They return 9 defensive starters and only 2 on offense. The new QB was
Bledsoe's backup for 3 years and knows the system.
10. OSU - the Beavers return 36 of the 44 players on last year's
roster (16 starters - 8 on each side of the ball). They are still
considered young, but improving.
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| 37.143 | | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Mon Aug 30 1993 19:39 | 17 |
|
If Beano Bryant gets reinstated I'd have to argue that a backfield of Bryant
and Kaufman is hands over anything else the PAC10 has to offer in the running
department.
UW will win with offense this year instead of defense. They have a formidible
front line for run offense and some great backs.
After last night I'd have to rate USC a little lower than #2 in the PAC10.
It will be a dog fight between Stanford, Arizona and Washington.
I'd like to see Stanford in the Rose Bowl myself...A school with real
academics...
Metz
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| 37.144 | jury is out on Stanford | FRETZ::HEISER | like kissin' thru a windowpane | Mon Aug 30 1993 19:45 | 7 |
| Well according to this writer, Stanford will be the PAC version of the
old Denver Nuggets. They had a great defense last year, but lost all
their linebackers and most of their secondary. The Washington-Stanford
game should be interesting, given all that Walsh said about the Husky
program last season.
Mike
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| 37.145 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Tue Aug 31 1993 15:09 | 5 |
|
Mike, Montgomery is fone for the season (again). Broken foot or
something...
brews
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| 37.146 | | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Tue Aug 31 1993 15:16 | 5 |
| when did that happen? I thought he was just going to miss a few weeks.
tough luck. He didn't have a healthy season his whole collegiate
career.
BTW - ASU is #30 in the latest polls.
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| 37.147 | ACC > PAC-10 | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 31 1993 15:33 | 10 |
| If USC is supposedly the 2nd best team in the PAC-10 is anybody in here
worried that the league but be down (*WAY* down) this year, after
getting thumped by non-football power North Carolina in their own back
yard??!!
BTW, who's the idiot in the AP poll who gave Stanford a #1 vote?! Git
real, bub.
- ACC Chris
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| 37.148 | | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Tue Aug 31 1993 17:02 | 15 |
|
USC is coached by John Robinson. The man invented the term underachievement in
pro football (you know who invented it for College hoops) and he will carry the
tradition back to USC.
USC will not end up #2 in the PAC10 this year.
The PAC10 will be down from the last 2 years. It's quite evident that the
balance of football power has shifted from the PAC10 to the Florida schools.
If the ACC and the PAC10 had a series of games the ACC would back out of it as
fast as they have the ACC-Big East challenge after getting thier heads handed
to them for a couple of years.
Metz
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| 37.149 | I came. I played. I won. (And you're right, every *is* OK!) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 31 1993 18:02 | 20 |
| > If the ACC and the PAC10 had a series of games the ACC would back out
> of it as fast as they have the ACC-Big East challenge after getting
> thier [sic] heads handed to them for a couple of years.
Don't let facts get in your way Metz. The BigEast coaches decided on
canceling the ACC-BigEast Challenge, and if you're even trying to
suggest that the BigEast has been superior to the ACC during the span
of the BigEast-ACC Challenge you oughta have your head examined.
BTW, I'm not conceding the point that PAC10 Football > ACC Football.
Clearly FSU is greater than whoever is the PAC10's best. Meanwhile the
ACC's 2nd best spanked the PAC-10's 2nd best *badly*, on PAC-10 turf no
less!
Overall Metz, from top to bottom, your note 37.148 was a horrendous
effort. [sorry]
- ACC Chris
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| 37.150 | put this in perspective | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Tue Aug 31 1993 18:17 | 11 |
| > Clearly FSU is greater than whoever is the PAC10's best. Meanwhile the
> ACC's 2nd best spanked the PAC-10's 2nd best *badly*, on PAC-10 turf no
> less!
Chris, just because *1* reporter picks USC to take 2nd in the PAC, does
not mean they deserve it. Most preseason publications picked ASU to
take 2nd in the PAC, yet this guy picked them 4th.
You're riding an awful lot on this *1* guy for your wishlist.
Mike
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| 37.151 | Perspective shows ACC no longer_a inferior football league. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Aug 31 1993 18:24 | 5 |
| Whatever Mike. The point is I don't think there's any reason for ACC
fans to concede that PAC10 football > ACC football. Not anymore.
- ACC Chris
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| 37.152 | | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Tue Aug 31 1993 18:47 | 5 |
| Maybe not to the Ivy League, but to the PAC there's no question. UNC
beat one of the PAC's weakest teams. The better team's in any
conference will beat the lesser teams in the PAC (or any conference).
Mike
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| 37.153 | stir,stir,stir.... | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Tue Aug 31 1993 19:25 | 20 |
|
We all know that it was the ACC that womanly backed out of the big east - ACC
challenge to go schedule more cupcakes like Hofstra and the University of
Myrtle beach...
When FSU schedules and beats the top teams of the PAC10 then we'll declare them
better. Ya see FSU has a bad habit of groping for the chicken bone when they
play in the big games (wide right), although I'm sure you know all about that
feeling. Until they actually win the mythical they'll remain a paper tiger and
the darling of the pre-season pundits.
I doubt the ACC (as a whole conference) could even be considered even with the
Big 10 (11) much less the PAC10 and are far short of the conference of the
state of Florida.
I will say that the ACC has the most rabid college football fans going for it
though...even if they are cheering for an inferior product...
Metz
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| 37.154 | | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Tue Aug 31 1993 21:00 | 5 |
| This resembles the East vs. West NBA debate, Donks vs. Brownies, Wilt
vs. Russell, etc. All we have to do is ask how many national football
championships has the ACC won.
BZZZT! The answer is 0, but thanks for playing.
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| 37.155 | I'm dealing with amateurs. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Sep 01 1993 09:35 | 15 |
| > how many national football championships has the ACC won.
> BZZZT! The answer is 0, but thanks for playing.
First Metz incorrectly tells us that everyone knows the ACC dropped out
of the BigEast-ACC Challenge. Completely and 100% false.
Next Mike tells us the ACC has won 0 Titles, an error I might even be
able to accept had the conference not won for 20 or 30 years. In fact,
GaTech shared the national Title in this decade!!! Haw haw!!!
- ACC Chris
BTW, Clemson won a Title in the 80's (forget the exact year) as well.
Haw haw haw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
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| 37.156 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Sep 01 1993 10:11 | 11 |
| How cain youse guys start this argument already?
Exactly 2 college football games have been played this year.
To draw any conclusions this early is premature. And I don't see
how past performance has anything to do with this year. New players,
new teams.
BTW, is there any ACC-PAC10 matchups remaining for the year?
MikeL
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| 37.157 | and I agree with Knorr | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Wed Sep 01 1993 11:36 | 18 |
| > -< I'm dealing with amateurs. >-
Knorr knoweth what he hath spoketh!
Fellas, usually you don't have to have many - if any - facks for a_LDUC
but when you really don't have any it's best to keep the content
non-factual. No ACC Football Titles. Goodun there.
Now as to the ACC-Big East festivities, there's no doubt that the ACC was
better conference in the years that the games were played. Now, from the
other side, the Big East did win more of the actual games played in this
preseason non-thriller.
To the issue of why it was dropped, evidently it was taking too much
outta the Big East beating the ACC early cause as a league they always
seem to fade down the stretch of the season.
TTom
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| 37.158 | so sue me | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:18 | 18 |
| > Next Mike tells us the ACC has won 0 Titles, an error I might even be
> able to accept had the conference not won for 20 or 30 years. In fact,
Okay, I took a shot and was wrong. I couldn't remember any off the top
of my head.
> GaTech shared the national Title in this decade!!! Haw haw!!!
In football?! '93 was Alabama, '92 was Miami, '91 was Washington. I
thought Nother Shame was in '90.
> BTW, Clemson won a Title in the 80's (forget the exact year) as well.
Clemson?! You have to rely on Clemson for this?! The team that
schedules Sisters of the Poor, Tijuana School for Wayward Girls, North
Texas State, and has the refs in their pockets?! Golldang, Chris.
Mike
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| 37.159 | | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:25 | 5 |
|
They shared the title with the CU Buffs. The Buffs won the AP
and the Yella Jackets won the coaches poll (UPI?).
Claybone
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| 37.160 | nuff said | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:31 | 1 |
| Isn't the AP poll the one that also honors teams on probation?
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| 37.161 | not much of a_effort | HBAHBA::HAAS | Ridge Runner | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:37 | 11 |
| > Isn't the AP poll the one that also honors teams on probation?
Probably can't go to far with this slur cause Ga Tech wasn't and ain't on
probation. As for being honored this way, I think Washington ably
represents the PAC10 in the current AP poll. At last glance all the
ranked ACC teams are also in the coaches poll.
And still the lack of knowledge continues to be blatantly, nay proudly,
displayed.
TTom
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| 37.162 | {isfh} | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Wed Sep 01 1993 13:41 | 1 |
| Tom, it means that their poll has less integrity.
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| 37.163 | havin' fun yankin' those chains? | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Wed Sep 01 1993 14:03 | 10 |
|
Mike,
Re-read .159. Ga. Tech. was ranked #1 in the *UPI* coaches
poll. CU was ranked #1 in the AP (the one that you say honors
teams on probation). CU wasn't and isn't on probation. Much
to my chagrin (being a CU fan), I put more weight in the UPI
poll. FWIW.
Claybone
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| 37.164 | and a tie is like kissin' the deliverance dude | FRETZ::HEISER | don't whiz on the electric fence | Wed Sep 01 1993 14:05 | 1 |
|
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| 37.165 | | DECWET::METZGER | Come and play, everything's A OK. | Wed Sep 01 1993 14:33 | 10 |
|
I guess than ACC CRisp was wrong in his initial statement that the ACC was a
weak sister football conference. I mean having a national champion in the 90's
and another in the 80's must mean that ACC football is a powerhouse conference
that should be expectd to whomp the likes of a bad USC team.
So, what's the point? other than the fact that crisp's initial statement was
false..
Metz
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| 37.166 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Sep 01 1993 14:47 | 1 |
| Keep on spinnin', Mike.
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| 37.167 | Wildcats in the Roses? | POLAR::FAZIO | | Thu Sep 02 1993 14:29 | 2 |
| Could someone post some preseason rankings for the PAC? Don't care what
source. Not much in the way of PAC 10 news up here (Ottawa)...
|
| 37.168 | Although I'm told it's inaccurate. (i.e. USC < 2nd) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Sep 02 1993 15:15 | 6 |
| re: .-1
Check out 37.142 for one ...
- ACC Chris
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| 37.169 | PAC has 4 in top 26 | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from a lost civilization | Tue Sep 07 1993 13:54 | 28 |
| Here's the latest AP poll.
1. Florida State (2-0)
2. Alabama (1-0)
3. Michigan (1-0)
4. Miami (1-0)
5. Texas A&M (1-0)
6. Syracuse (1-0)
7. Florida (1-0)
8. Tennessee (1-0)
9. Nebraska (1-0)
10. Colorado (1-0)
11. Notre Dame (1-0)
12. Washington (1-0) PAC-10
13. Arizona (1-0) PAC-10
14. North Carolina (2-0)
15. Penn State (1-0)
16. Ohio State (1-0)
17. Oklahoma (1-0)
18. N. Carolina St. (1-0)
19. South Carolina (1-0)
20. Brigham Young (1-0)
21. Clemson (1-0)
22. Georgia (0-1)
23. Stanford (0-1) PAC-10
24. Baylor (1-0)
25. Boston College (0-1)
26. Arizona State (1-0) PAC-10
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| 37.171 | PAC defense ratings after week 1 | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from a lost civilization | Tue Sep 07 1993 14:04 | 25 |
| The Droods totally embarassed the Utah Utes on Saturday night, 38-0.
ASU is now ranked #24 in USA Today/CNN and #26 in the AP. The only
downside was that they lost their best linebacker, Justin Dragoo, for
the season to a knee injury. ASU travels to Louisville this weekend.
The defense, who lost 7 starters, was most impressive. The Drood D had
3 INT's, 2 FR's, 6 QB sacks, and 9 tackles for a loss. They allowed
256 total yards on offense, but no sustained drives and only 3.8 yards
per offensive play. It was Utah's first shutout since 1983, a team
that prides itself on an explosive offense.
Here is how the PAC's defensive fared in week 1 (except USC which has 2
games under its belt):
Team Offense Defense Difference
Washington 500 274 226
Arizona State 447 256 191
Oregon 393 202 191
USC 399 289 110
Arizona 251 153 98
Oregon State 329 249 80
California 410 374 36
UCLA 374 410 -36
Stanford 274 500 -226
Washington State 220 453 -233
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| 37.172 | rounding out the top 50 | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from a lost civilization | Tue Sep 07 1993 14:10 | 29 |
| > Arizona State is listed in my paper as "among others receiving
BC was #25 with 116 votes. After that it goes:
26. Arizona State - 94 votes
27. Wisconsin 93
28. USC 59
29. Memphis State 57
30. San Diego State 53
31. Auburn 22
32. Georgia Tech 18
33. West Virginia 18
34. California 16
35. Virginia 15
36. Louisville 13
37. Hawaii 12
38. Michigan State 12
39. Mississippi 8
40. UCLA 8
41. Rutgers 5
42. Texas Tech 5
43. Fresno State 4
44. Indiana 3
45. Iowa 3
46. Kansas 3
47. Mississippi St. 2
48. Texas 2
49. Washington St. 2
50. Oregon 1
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| 37.173 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Tue Sep 07 1993 14:38 | 11 |
|
I think Mike was a little to shy to talk about this, but ASU is the
leader in the PAC10 in one thing:
_SIX_ ASU coeds were named to Playboy's Girls of the PAC10 pictorial.
Just some more of the many titles ASU has to be proud of.
brews
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| 37.174 | | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from a lost civilization | Tue Sep 07 1993 18:00 | 6 |
| Brews, in case you don't know it, that's a bi-annual event on campus. I
got to meet some of the contestants last year. PB recruits every
spring *AND* fall on campus.
And judging by campus scenery, I'm not too shy to say I'm not
surprised.
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| 37.175 | all in all, not too good | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Mon Sep 13 1993 14:21 | 13 |
| Not too good for the PAC 10.
In games that mattered, they went oh-fer against the Big10, losing to
Penn St and Ohio St, respectively.
In games that are supposed to be mismatches, mighty Arizona edged
Pacific, rated Stanford barely beat San Jose St and Oregon was a little
better thatn Montana.
Cal looked good, at least in the second half and Washington St mauled
Montana St to keep some respectability.
TTom
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| 37.176 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Mon Sep 13 1993 14:26 | 6 |
|
This looks like a down year for the PAC10. Given Washington's
troubles, USC's and UA's slow start, ASU may have a chance to win it.
brews
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| 37.177 | | ROYALT::ASHE | WE WUZ ROBBED!!! - D.R. | Mon Sep 13 1993 14:42 | 2 |
| Big11 has 5 teams in the top24... (UPI) - #8,11,14,22,24T
Pac10 has 5 teams,#15,19,21,23,24T...
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| 37.178 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | NY YANKEES:A SPORTS DYNASTY | Mon Sep 13 1993 14:43 | 4 |
| So 3 Big11 teams are rated higher than the top team in the PAC10.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.179 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Mon Sep 13 1993 14:46 | 3 |
|
And once the inter-conference play begins, we'll see a quick drop in
both numbers.
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| 37.180 | I never thought I'd say this.. | DECWET::METZGER | Good mornin' america, how are ya'? | Mon Sep 13 1993 15:06 | 25 |
|
It doesn't matter who wins the PAc-10 this year. The winner will get crushed in
the Rose Bowl. OSU showed that the top teams in the Big11 this year are going
to be better than the top teams in the PAC10.
OSU went over,under and through the Huskies. When the huskies played a 4 man
front OSu ran for huge chunks of yardage, when the huskies tacked the front
line OSU threw very effectively. The defensive front line of OSU easily stacked
up a highly regarded O-line of washington and allowed no running room.
Personally I think only a good option team would move the ball against the OSU
defense. Gotta make those big boys run side to side and hope you can beat them
to the corner.
I think the other top team in the PAC10 (Arizona) would have a tough time
moving the ball against this defense and I think OSU has a sophisticated enough
attack to score points against the swarm defense...
If you don't have cornerbacks that can cover mano-a-mano then any 9 man front
defense is going to get burned by a decent passer.
When does OSU play Michigan? It should be a great game....
Metz
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| 37.181 | fwiw | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from the lost civilization | Mon Sep 13 1993 15:52 | 1 |
| ASU had the week off. They play in Louisville this week.
|
| 37.182 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Mon Sep 13 1993 16:31 | 4 |
| 37.183 | thought he was gonna start | FRETZ::HEISER | notes from the lost civilization | Mon Sep 13 1993 18:10 | 1 |
| What happened to Bret Powers at OSU?
|
| 37.184 | | SCCAT::SHERRILL | better than a ferret down the pants | Tue Sep 14 1993 18:53 | 3 |
| re:.180
Ohio State and Mich. play the last game of the year, whenever that is.
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| 37.185 | Ohio St at Michigan, 11/20 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Tue Sep 14 1993 19:28 | 0 |
| 37.186 | | DECWET::METZGER | Good mornin' america, how are ya'? | Tue Sep 14 1993 20:06 | 7 |
|
Whoa Nelly. that's going to be humdinger....
Especially if it's for the rights to the Rose bowl (which I think it will be)
Metz
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| 37.187 | | CAM3::WAY | Hers for the taking.... | Wed Sep 15 1993 10:14 | 13 |
| >Whoa Nelly. that's going to be humdinger....
Speaking of Keith Jackson, we were discussing on Sunday how upset he got
with the Michigan return man who didn't field the punt at the 10, and
ND downed it.
I've never heard him get that worked up!
Do you think Keith will be doing the Rose Bowl?
'Saw
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| 37.188 | "Fummmmmbull!" | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Wed Sep 15 1993 11:04 | 4 |
|
I don't know there "Frankaroo" but I sho hope so...
Claybone
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| 37.189 | | CAM3::WAY | Hers for the taking.... | Wed Sep 15 1993 11:13 | 1 |
| He is a classic, isn't he?
|
| 37.190 | artificial turf wasn't kind to them either | FRETZ::HEISER | AWANA | Mon Sep 20 1993 13:17 | 2 |
| Paybacks are brutal and ASU sure got their's from Louisville on
Saturday.
|
| 37.191 | | SCCAT::SHERRILL | better than a ferret down the pants | Mon Sep 20 1993 15:36 | 4 |
|
Boy Stanfud sure pulled one out of their behind vs CU didn't they?? Great
game better outcome.
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| 37.192 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Sep 20 1993 17:00 | 6 |
| Missed the game, how does the Cardinal look?
Good offense, porous defense??
MikeL
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| 37.193 | | SCCAT::SHERRILL | better than a ferret down the pants | Mon Sep 20 1993 17:09 | 8 |
|
Stanfuds offense looked very good , the defense looked ...well not so
good. Things should get better in that they only have a a few starters
back from last years team, They also have 2 or 3 true freshmen starting
on D. The way I see it it will be a tough year with the schedule they
have left. Also the player have to be able to read to go to Stanfud.
BIG disadvantage there.
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| 37.194 | Merci | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Sep 20 1993 17:14 | 8 |
| Thanks Ron,
Thank BillW fer the win fer me willya. Can't let ND git any urges
towards overconfidence when they visit the Farm in a coupla weeks.
MikeL
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| 37.196 | Tommy went to ND? | FRETZ::HEISER | AWANA | Fri Sep 24 1993 18:02 | 4 |
| > Since when does "a few" equal five. I guess that that sparklin'
> ND math in action. This obsession with the past is a tad frightenin'
Probably since "every Phoenix player" equals 2.
|
| 37.197 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Sep 24 1993 21:18 | 5 |
| OK why did this inane discussion end up in the PAC 10 note?
Mac, did you make a moving mistake?? 8^)
|
| 37.198 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Sep 24 1993 21:58 | 70 |
|
>> Since when does "a few" equal five. I guess that that sparklin'
>> ND math in action. This obsession with the past is a tad frightenin'
>> too. Let's point to sumpin' FSU did six or more years ago
OK let's git back to the near past if you want to patently ignore the
not too distant past. OK how;a about looking at FIVE years ago, when
the mighty Fauxnoles garnered the "toughest" schedule three times.
Refer to note 22.155m,
1989, no problem with dat year. Tough schedule (overall). Where did FSU
finish? Remember that the '89 Irish finished #2, having played *8*
teams who went to bowl games, beat then #1 CU in the Orange, lost only
to to Miami, who had a weaker schedule than ex-Pres Ford in 1977. But
dat's life.
'90, major FSU opponents; Georgia Southern, Tulane, Va. Tech,
Cincinnati, Memphis St. oooooooo, all_a_college_football's a-shudderin'
'91, BYU ( gee are they tough fer FSU but "weak fer ND"),Tulane,
Western Michigan (really..),Va.Tech(must be one of them
time-honored traditional slugfests in the bar), Middle-Tennessee
St(no comment),Louisville(boy that Schnellenberger cain recruit
in Franklin Counnty), and I'll even giveya on probation South
Carolina.
'92 First ACC schedule, we're all a-tremblin'....
Duke (nuf said), NCState(cake sorry TTom), Wake(cake), UNC(cake)
Maryland(cake), Va.(yep,cake).
Man, can BB fool Jeff Sagawin... or payin' them off. B*llbustah
schedule indeed...
>> or how Miami
>> got a thug rep before the current administration so that we won't have
>> to admit that both programs is better than ND, have been for awhile and
>> will continue to be as long as Lou "Little 'uns" is a-coachin' and a-
>> tarnishin'.
Let's leave Miami outta this. They have enuf trouble graduating half
their athletes, forget disciplining them. No and I won't adnit both
"programs are better than ND's. Mebbe footballplayingwise)maybe), but
not program-wise. Big distinction.
>> And ND has scheduled tough opponents forever...
True statEment. No denying it, thankee/
>> And patsies too. On a regular basis. FSU plays a tougher schedule than
>> ND. Period. End of discussion. Point to the Parseghian era if'n you want
>> but the facts is there.
Don't have to point to Ara. As I said, no program will schedule a
suicidal year. Point to the Navy's NU's, MSU's (??, gee, even mighty
FSU scheduled them), but are they worse than Middle=Tennesse St.,
duke, furman, wake forst, cincinnati, ga. southern, ad nauseum.
I think not... You can't admit to or ignore the stench from " Under
the Tattered Teepee".
>> BTW - Good luck against the mighty Boilermakers.
Thanks, we'll need it.
MikeL
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| 37.199 | Smellin' like roses in the *right* part of AZ! | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Oct 04 1993 10:18 | 3 |
| Arizona's "weak" offense puts up 30+ vs. USC. Too bad U dub's not on
the schedule this year....make it much more interesting.
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| 37.200 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Real man's sport has started! | Mon Oct 04 1993 11:04 | 1 |
| ASU had a great showing;^)
|
| 37.201 | Cal Bears 5-0 after sensational comeback! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Oct 04 1993 11:04 | 7 |
|
Is Bruce Snyder still happy with his "career move"? Or was the pursuit
of his personal financial goals quite enough for him, thank you? ASU
walloped by the heavy underdog Oregon State Beavers. Ouch...
glenn
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| 37.202 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Ain't no cure for the overseed blues | Mon Oct 04 1993 12:18 | 1 |
| And ASU has a tough game at Wash St. coming up.
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| 37.203 | total humiliation | 16421::HEISER | AWANA | Mon Oct 04 1993 14:10 | 2 |
| If they can't beat the Beavers, every game will be a tough one. I
guess their defense can't handle the wishbone.
|
| 37.204 | wasn't Snyder supposed to make us better? | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Fri Oct 15 1993 20:46 | 6 |
| It was announced yesterday that BC will be coming to the Suns' arena to
play ASU next month. That may prove to be interesting in here.
As for ASU football, stick a fork in them. The hated Mildcats appear
to be the only PAC team that will make some noise outside the
conference.
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| 37.205 | The Genius looked not well pleased | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Oct 18 1993 10:44 | 8 |
| Arizona reaches #7 with a fortunate 27-24 escape of Stanfuhd at
Tucson.
UA ought to send Stenstrom some flowers for his "gift" near the
end of the game.
MikeL
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| 37.206 | | JULIET::SHERRILRO | | Mon Oct 18 1993 13:02 | 2 |
|
Stenstrom has been hit in the head too many times the last few years.
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| 37.207 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Oct 18 1993 15:24 | 7 |
| Yo Ron!!
Whar's your game report from ND-Stanford?? (especially the halter
tops!)
MikeL
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| 37.208 | | DECWET::METZGER | Ask me if I care. | Mon Oct 25 1993 18:33 | 24 |
|
If the Danny White playing for Arizona is the best they can do for Qb's than
don't count on too many Phoenicians playing QB in the NFL any time soon. If
Arizona is the best the PAC10 has to offer this year look for the BIG 10 to be
all over them in the rose bowl. I don't think I've ever seen a team with a
more miserable offense in the catbird seat for the Rose Bowl.
Despite the 9-6 score the defense wasn't that great either. WSU moved the ball
pretty effectively on them all day both running and passing despite having
their 2nd and 3rd string QB's playing musical chairs because the 1st stringer
is out with a broken collarbone. WSU had a last chance FG shot but it sailed
wide..lucky for the kicker he's the coaches son...
OSU, Penn State and even Michigan would crush the best in the PAC 10 this year.
BTW - It looks like the Rose bowl might matter after all with OSU ranked #3 in
the country. If they win all their games they'll be ranked #2 after the loser
of FSU - Notre Dame drops in the polls. Then you'll get a #1 vs. whomever and
OSU vs a PAC 10 chump in the Rose...and another what if scenario? and another
MNC....
Metz
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| 37.209 | keep'em from the Rose Bowl | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Mon Oct 25 1993 19:03 | 8 |
| I think the new Dan White is an out-of-stater.
ASU looks to be revived with their new, true freshman QB. He was a
Parade H.S. All-American from Idaho. He led ASU to a 38-30 win over
Stanford up in Palo Alto. A win badly needed by the Droods.
Here's to ASU beating those Mildcats!
Mike
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| 37.210 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Oct 26 1993 09:20 | 13 |
| Yea Arizona has dodged some major bullets at home vs. middle-of-the-
road conference foes.
And I'm pickin' the winner of the PSU-MSU game to go to the Roses.
Penn St's "D" will slow down the Buckeyes enough to defeat them
even in Columbus and Michigan will dump the Bucks in Ann Arbor.
MSU could be ther sleeper. The Illini might hold the trump card
tho. PSU better be careful with the Illini. Does MSU play Illinois?
Anyhoo, ah believe it's Penn St- UA in da Roses.
MikeL
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| 37.212 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:05 | 6 |
| Good point about UCLA. I forgot about them.
I assume they play Arizona somewhere down the line...
But watch USC upset the UCLAns
MikeL
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| 37.213 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:06 | 16 |
|
> I think the new Dan White is an out-of-stater.
Believe it or not, he's yet another Penn State QB transfer, although
he's from San Diego originally, I think...
Is this vaunted UCLA the same team that struggled mightily with the
mighty Oregon St. Beavers this past weekend? By'not'e is back with
the Buckeyes and so is their offense. I don't think they'd have much
trouble with whomever the Pac-10 sends, although for coaching reasons
the team I'd still most fear is Stanford. They're not that good, but
head-to-head Bill Walsh could have Coach Cooper's jockstrap pulled up
and over his head by the end of the game...
glenn
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| 37.214 | Go Cats! | POLAR::FAZIO | | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:32 | 12 |
| UA plays UCLA this weekend.
With Illinois winning in Ann Arbor this past weekend and Arizona
beating the Illini earlier in the season I think conference
parity has been demonstrated.
As far as UA squeaking by some marginal competition in the past two
weeks, they tend to play well and surprise people when playing top
teams and play below their potential during should be cakewalks. Case
in point - last season almost beating then ranked #1 Miami in Miami,
beating #1 Washington and then losing to the AS "who" slumdogs to end the
season.
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| 37.215 | | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:44 | 20 |
| > teams and play below their potential during should be cakewalks. Case
> in point - last season almost beating then ranked #1 Miami in Miami,
> beating #1 Washington and then losing to the AS "who" slumdogs to end the
> season.
...for the 3rd year in a row and at home. Would make me sick if I was
a Mildcat feign!
UCLA is a 7 point favorite over the Mildcats for this weekend. UCLA
has the best receiver in the country in JJ.
The PAC could realistically end in a 3-way tie, but that would also
give UA the edge since they've *NEVER* been there:
UCLA will beat UA. UCLA already has 1 PAC loss, but will probably get
another from USC. UA will get their first loss this week and their 2nd
from ASU. WSU has 1 already and will lose to UCLA next week.
Go Droods!
Mike
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| 37.216 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:45 | 9 |
| I didn't say "marginal", I said "middle of the road" opponents.
Who is the home team , UA or UCLA? My money goes with the home club
in this case. UA gits it done in Tucson, and I believe that UCLA
can hold court in LA
MikeL
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| 37.217 | | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:49 | 2 |
| I'm pretty sure it's in LA given the spread. About time too, UA has
been squeaking by marginal teams at home for the last month.
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| 37.218 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Oct 26 1993 11:13 | 3 |
| UA vs UCLA is on ESPN - 10:30PM Eastern Sat. night.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.219 | Go Broons! | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Thu Oct 28 1993 12:08 | 7 |
| UCLA is still a 5 pt. favorite. They should cover against the
Mildcats. UCLA's offense is good enough to score a few touchdowns
against UA's defense. UA doesn't have the offense to keep up. JJ
Stokes is gonna have a field day.
ASU is gonna beat UA too. As long as the Bruins don't lose at
Washington St. or USC, they're Rose Bowl bound.
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| 37.221 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Thu Oct 28 1993 14:59 | 9 |
| Can someone in here tell me how to pronounce By'not'e??
Is that the approriate place for the apostrophe?? Where's the
Cadet when you need him?
I'm takin' PSU over the Bucks as ah told Waugamain. However, he's
in major Holtzian denial/sandbaggin'... 8^)
MikeL
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| 37.222 | But we will see... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Oct 28 1993 16:56 | 11 |
|
> I won't be the least bit surprised if OSU loses to a PSU team that
> pretty much has no offense.
I'd like to believe so because it's certainly no mismatch, but I do
think that the Buckeyes are the superior team this year. But then
again, I don't think PSU would have much trouble with the Pac-10 rep to
the Rose Bowl either, nor would Michigan or Michigan St...
glenn
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| 37.223 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | We Want Zolak! | Thu Oct 28 1993 17:00 | 4 |
| The UCLA Broons will crush whatever team the Little 11 sends to the
Rose Bowl.
/Don
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| 37.225 | I don't expect PSU to dumb down to the Big-10 on D... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Oct 29 1993 09:37 | 23 |
|
> There's an old saying in boxing that styles make the fight and UCLA's
> style (should they make it) is perfectly suited to take advantage of
> a bunch of defenses geared to stop smash mouth teams.
You might be right about the other teams but I do think that Penn
State would not match up badly against UCLA. I think Michigan
demonstrated that the best way to beat this PSU defense is on the line
of scrimmage, which is also what Ohio St. will attempt to do tomorrow.
In the past, the Big-10's biggest problem in the Rose Bowl has been, as
you say, adapting to the passing game. PSU has not had that problem
with its defensive coaching preparation against passing teams in the
bowls even after playing smashmouth all year long-- just ask Miami.
I know that the Big-10 has the reputation, but I cannot believe that
just because they joined the conference that there's some kind of
mysterious force that will render a couple of great defensive coaches
in Paterno and coordinator Jerry Sandusky useless. Of course, they
could have problems scoring points regardless of whom they're up
against-- my originally stated concern about this team before the
"sandbagging" claims poured in...
glenn
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| 37.226 | interchangable answer | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Fri Oct 29 1993 11:25 | 5 |
| > afford to get in a shootout with UCLA. UCLA's biggest problem will be
> getting there, if they do they'll win it.
Is that because of the PAC being the superior conference or UCLA
shooting themselves in the foot?
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| 37.227 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Oct 29 1993 11:29 | 3 |
| probably UCLA does not match up well with some teams in the PAC-10
The Crazy Met
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| 37.229 | | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Fri Oct 29 1993 14:18 | 13 |
| > Of UCLA's remaing intra-conference games, one is tomorrow's matchup
> with first place Arizona and the last game of the season is against
> bitter rival USC and the Rose Bowl berth when go to the victor or at
> least USC can end on a positive note (for them) by sending UCLA to a
UCLA has to play at Washington St. next week. WSU has a top-ranked
defense (2nd against the run) and could also knock them off. UA
squeaked by WSU last week.
It's UA's Rose Bowl to lose at this point. UCLA already has a PAC
loss.
Mike
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| 37.231 | only Ohio St and only if a lot | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Oct 29 1993 15:06 | 12 |
| For either the PAC-10 or Big10 to win the MNC, they gotta make sure both
Arizona and Ohio St remain undefeated, have the winner of the ND-Florida
St game lose their bowl, the loser of ND-FSU must look bad in beating
Nebraska, and Alabama must lose to Florida.
Then, Ohio St must win the Rose Bowl. Arizona winning won't get it done
and in fact there's almost no scenario that has Arizona winning the MNC.
It's a combination of looking bad even though they're winning as well as
the heavy influence TV on the eastern vote. The Rose Bowl would be the
first national telecast for Arizona.
TTom
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| 37.233 | complicated and a long shot | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Oct 29 1993 15:47 | 19 |
| What you need is the winner of ND-FSU to be beaten by somebody with a
loss.
Ideally, what you'd like to see if'n you're rooting Ohio St on is for ND
to beat FSU. Then FSU beats Florida, who beats Alabama in the SEC
championship. Then Florida, now with 2 losses, beats ND.
In this scenario, however, that means the FSU would have 1 loss and if'n
they pulverize the Huskers like they usually do, they just might win the
whole thang anyhoo. Especially if'n FSU doesn't lose too badly to ND.
Another way it might happen would be for FSU to beat ND but lose to
Florida.
In any case, it's a real stretch to have Ohio St win the MNC and like I
said afore, I don't see Arizona winning it in any case. I could be wrong
and certainly I'm open to suggestions but I caint see it.
TTom
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| 37.234 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri Oct 29 1993 15:57 | 6 |
| If OSU is undefeated and FSU, NU, ND all lose one or more games then
they could very well in the MNC. Just remember BYU won it when they
played a real cupcake schedule - but they were undefeated.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.235 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Oct 29 1993 16:07 | 10 |
| If'n Florida St and Notre Dame each finish with 1 loss - 1 loses to the
other and the other loses presumably on New Year's - they're still going
to get a lot of votes especially if'n FSU loses at ND and wins the rest.
But you're right, the Buckeyes will get some votes if'n they go
undefeated which'd mean they have to win this weekend versus Penn St,
then at Wisconsin (if they got anything left) and then at Michigan
(ditto). They'd still wanna play and beat a_undefeated Arizona, though.
TTom
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| 37.236 | Undefeated/untied carries big weight, best team or not... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Oct 29 1993 16:19 | 14 |
|
Yes, I don't see an undefeated Ohio St. (especially) or Arizona not
getting the MNC if everyone else has one loss. Alabama with one tie
*might* win over Ohio St. depending on how the games go, but even
that's not a lock. The coaches' poll especially is unlikely to go
against an undefeated team as history shows that this feat is highly
respected by fellow coaches, almost regardless of strength of schedule.
Besides, for either Ohio State or Arizona, finishing undefeated would be
a legitimately impressive accomplishment, which is why I don't see it
happening. Too many bumps in the road to go for each team...
glenn
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| 37.237 | | DECWET::METZGER | Ask me if I care. | Fri Oct 29 1993 16:20 | 17 |
|
The sprotswriters will simply vote for whomever has the best record on January
2nd.
If the winner of the ND-FSU game loses on bowl day and OSU goes undefeated
during BIG10 play and wins the rose bowl over an inflated PAC10 opponent then
they'll win the MNC or you'll have another split champion...
I really doubt that a #3 opponent will leap over OSU into the #1 slot unless
they drub the #1 team (FSU or ND) and OSU looks bad winning the Rose...
You gotta remember who gets to do the voting. The Big 10 coaches will surely
vote for the undefeated champion of thier conference esp if everybody else has
1 loss. There are enough votes out there that simply look at record to give OSU
the MNC easily if they win them all...
Metz
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| 37.238 | but this weekend's OSU-PSU looks good | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Oct 29 1993 16:26 | 12 |
| Metz
In your scenario, what about Alabama finishing the season with 1 tie,
beating Florida or whoever for the SEC and then beating the undefeated
winner of the ND-FSU game?
You gotta beleive the Tide would get a bunch of votes.
And anyhoo, we all know that if'n Ohio St is undefeated going into the
Rose Bowl they'd be favored and ergo have no chance or winning.
TTom
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| 37.239 | | DECWET::METZGER | Ask me if I care. | Fri Oct 29 1993 17:45 | 8 |
|
Won't happen....Bama ain't that good this year...However....You are right in
that they certainly would warrant MNC votes for beating Florida and one of
ND-FSU.
But OSU is currently ranked higher than Bama and inertia is in their favor...
Metz
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| 37.241 | UCLA better than I thought; obvious cream of Pac-10 crop... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 01 1993 11:57 | 22 |
|
Yep, while the Big-10 is demonstrating with each passing week some
serious top-to-bottom depth which will likely land six teams in bowl
games, in the Pac-10 it looks like all UCLA with everybody else far below
(when you consider that the Big-10 outperformed the Pac-10 head-to-head
in early non-conference play, and the Pac-10's uninspired non-con play
in general). It's hard to believe that the UCLA team I saw Saturday
night lost to a powerful but one-dimensional team like Nebraska, much
less California at the start of the year. Of course it only takes one
team and not an entire conference to win conference bragging rights in
the Rose Bowl, and UCLA certainly looks like a team capable of doing that,
especially under home field playing conditions. Ohio State was similiarly
dominant and completely unbeatable within the physical play required by
the wet and snow Saturday in Columbus, but while they have boatloads of
talent at the skill positions their QBs have not been sufficiently
tested under pressure.
It should be a hell of a game, provided both teams hurdle all remaining
roadblocks...
glenn
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| 37.242 | | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Mon Nov 01 1993 12:04 | 9 |
| Glad to see UCLA dominate the Mildcats like predicted. I was even more
thrilled to see ASU finally return a spanking to UDub. What would be
even better is this scenario:
- WSU beats UCLA next to put UA back in the hunt for the Roses.
- ASU knocks UA out of the Rose Bowl, extracting sweet revenge.
- UCLA beats USC the final week to go to Pasadena.
Mike
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| 37.243 | OSU one dimensional??? | ROCK::MURPHY | The two Lous | Mon Nov 01 1993 13:17 | 13 |
| I'm not quite certain how OSU can be called one-dimensional. I'd put
By'not'e, Harris, and Cothran against any running back corps in the
country. I'd also stack Joey Galloway up against any WR, including
Stokes and Derrick Alexander. I do believe that Cooper is not utilizing
him as much as he could - but hey, who throws the ball up 3 TD's with
running backs like that? Hoying is slightly better than adequate -
which is sufficient with a burner like Galloway running the patterns.
They should win out easily - but I'll be rooting for the Badgers this
weekend.
Murph
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| 37.245 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Nov 01 1993 14:04 | 4 |
| UCLA is not as good as they looked Saturday night - every break went their way.
They are also much better than they looked in their first 2 games.
The Crazy Met
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| 37.247 | | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Mon Nov 01 1993 15:19 | 5 |
|
Sometimes being one dimensional is no big deal. Just ask
Bama!
Claybone
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| 37.248 | | DECWET::METZGER | Ask me if I care. | Mon Nov 01 1993 15:55 | 20 |
|
UCLA still has a tough time on the offensive line when they play big strong
defense instead of speed defenses like Arizona and Washington. Believe me you
OSU has a big strong defensive line that will put pressure on the QB without
resorting to the blitz.
UCLA has a great offensive coordinator though. He's always been able to spot
holes in a defense and design a game strategy to it.
I think the question will boil down to...will UCLA see the ball enough times
to let their offense put points up on the board. OSU has an offense that is
fully capable of 12 minute drives time after time. If they don;t make mistakes
they win....It's called NFC east football...UCLA plays AFC football and you see
how many super bowls it's gotten the AFC lately...
Ball controll, no mistakes and a good defense usually wins over flashy offense..
Metz
Glad for at leat 1 decent team in the PAC 10 this year...
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| 37.249 | | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Mon Nov 01 1993 16:13 | 4 |
| >they win....It's called NFC east football...UCLA plays AFC football and you see
>how many super bowls it's gotten the AFC lately...
...or how many Rose Bowls the Big 10 has won lately...
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| 37.250 | The losses and close calls are games we didn't get to see... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 01 1993 16:56 | 23 |
|
> I wouldn't fancy their chances against the 'Noles or the Irish but
> they are every bit as good as they looked Saturday night and better.
I was impressed too, but the question is how is it that just one week
before the Arizona game UCLA went well into the 4th quarter at Oregon
St. tied 17-17 (before winning only 20-17)? I understand the emotions
of college football and all that, but it seems as if UCLA has had a few
of these types of efforts and they haven't come exclusively at the
season's start, when the Bruins fell to 0-2 (the same thing happened in
a win against Stanford). Which UCLA team will show up on any given week?
Another thing that is somewhat consistent with TCM's "every break went
their way" comment is the fact that UCLA leads the country in net
turnovers (takeaway/giveaway) which continued through the Arizona game.
That's a very important number to be on the plus side of and is an
indication of an opportunistic defense, but it's also a highly variable
factor that you can't always count on, because it usually says as much
about the competition's carelessness with the ball as your defense.
Can UCLA win if an opponent like Ohio State takes care of the ball?
glenn
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| 37.251 | WOOF! WOOF! | 16421::HEISER | visualize whirled peas | Mon Nov 01 1993 17:24 | 3 |
| Who cares about the Broons! How about that whippin' the Droods laid on
the little Husky Puppies on All Hallows Eve! The Droods sacrificed
lots of pups on Saturday!
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| 37.252 | Wot's the problem up there?? | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Nov 01 1993 17:48 | 7 |
| Yea,
UDub is taking its licks this year. I guess all that emotion to
win one fer ol' Don James just couldn't last....
MikeL
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| 37.254 | Go Droods! | 16421::HEISER | parenting: no place for wimps | Mon Nov 08 1993 11:30 | 5 |
| After blitzing Cal 41-0, ASU still has an outside shot at a bowl (Alamo
or Freedom). They are now 4th in the PAC. Now that they appear to
have their act together, it would be great if they could start the
season over. Tough game this week: UCLA at L.A. We'll see what
the new Droods are made of.
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| 37.255 | Go Devils???????? | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Nov 08 1993 12:09 | 8 |
| I'll find myself in the odd position of rooting for ASU this weekend
vs UCLA. If the 'Devils can get by, we'd have the most interesting
UA-ASU matchup in years!!!
Got down to AZ stadium this weekend to see the Cats school Oregon.
Defense slacked in the 2nd half. Chuck Levy ran the offense
well...better than what I've seen of White.
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| 37.256 | we'll soon see | 16421::HEISER | the NBA: it's pretty darn good | Tue Nov 09 1993 11:57 | 4 |
| I'm surprised ASU is 11 point underdogs to UCLA this weekend. They not
only stopped the Bruins no-shutout 20-year streak last year, but have
really been playing great of late. Unlike UA, ASU has an offense *AND*
a defense.
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| 37.257 | revenge? | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:08 | 6 |
| Arizona St has definitely turned it around with 3 pretty impressive wins.
Maybe the spread is 11 cause they beat the Bruins lasted year. Sometimes,
revenge is a major factor.
TTom
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| 37.258 | Go Droods! | 16421::HEISER | the NBA: it's pretty darn good | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:26 | 18 |
| >Arizona St has definitely turned it around with 3 pretty impressive wins.
Thanks for the apology, TTom. And you thought I didn't see that
"underachieving" slam last week. Jake Plummer is quite the QB. You
can hardly knock a guy that throws a 79-yard TD bomb on his first snap
from scrimmage. The Droods have their traditional long-ball capability
back. Last year, they only had 2 pass-plays over 50 yards all season.
Plummer has had 6 by himself in the 3 games he's started. In addition,
the deep threat has opened up the running game again. The Droods have
been well over 100-yards rushing in the last 3 games. This former
Parade H.S. All-American and ASU have a bright future ahead of them.
Nothing would please me more for ASU to win their final 2 games. It
would keep the Mildcats out of Pasadena in sweet revenge. It will also
allow the UCLA-USC rivalry to decide who goes to the Roses. Finally,
at 7-4 and 3rd or 4th in the PAC, the Droods would be bowl bound.
Mike
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| 37.259 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:37 | 15 |
| Any details on this guy?
[email protected] articles by Nov 1-5, 1993:
--------
Subject: Patriots sign guard Doug Skene
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 20:18:44 EST
FOXBORO, Mass. (UPI) --
...
The 1-7 Patriots also signed rookie defensive end Bryan Hooks, a free
agent out of Arizona State, and assigned him to the practice squad.
Speaking of Arizona Atheletes, the Pats cut former AU LB Chris
Singleton.
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| 37.260 | | 16421::HEISER | the NBA: it's pretty darn good | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:39 | 4 |
| > Speaking of Arizona Atheletes, the Pats cut former AU LB Chris
> Singleton.
...and Miami picked him up before the ink dried on the newspapers.
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| 37.261 | Chris don't do snow. | POLAR::FAZIO | | Tue Nov 09 1993 16:20 | 2 |
| Met Singleton's ex concubine this weekend. She said he *hated* NE and
has wanted to leave for a while.
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| 37.262 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Nov 09 1993 16:58 | 1 |
| So noone has any info on Bryan Hooks, eh?
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| 37.263 | doesn't sound familiar, Mac | 16421::HEISER | the NBA: it's pretty darn good | Tue Nov 09 1993 17:09 | 1 |
|
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| 37.264 | should be interesting | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Fri Nov 12 1993 10:19 | 5 |
| another team that has an upset shot this weekend: ASU. UCLA's starting
QB, Wayne Cook, has been in the hospital all week with kidney problems
(bruised). They finally let him out yesterday, but he's still
urinating blood. It sounds like it would life-threatening for Donahue
to play him. Their backup isn't nearly as good.
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| 37.265 | good enough | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 12 1993 12:06 | 5 |
| In lasted week's game, the UCLA backup played almost 3/4 of the game.
While he may not be as good as Cook, he did fine enough to wooop
Washington St.
TTom
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| 37.266 | gotta luv it! | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 12:29 | 17 |
| ASU showed some mercy on those Bruins last Saturday night. Though the
hottest team in the PAC won 9-3 over the #10 team in the country, the
score could've easily been 19-3 in favor of ASU. The Droods FG kicker
hit the crossbar in the first half and they also drove to the UCLA 15
with 2 minutes left. Instead of embarassing them, they downed the ball
to run out the clock. This disappointed me tremendously ;-) UCLA only
crossed midfield once all day (to score their FG) and that happened
late in the 3rd quarter. The mighty Drood defense scored on an INT
return as well.
If we pummel those Mildcats and USC wins, ASU takes 2nd in the PAC and
will go to the Bowl Coalition. As it is, they're a lock on the Freedom
Bowl. The Mildcats choked their way out of the Roses again. We did
them a favor too by taking out UCLA, but the only PAC team to never
play for the Roses will continue with that label.
Mike
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| 37.267 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Nov 15 1993 12:47 | 3 |
| Noone in the PAC-10 knowing who Bryan Hooks is has me wondering whether
Hooks is a real nobody or if anyone in the PAC-10 topic knows anything
about the PAC-10.
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| 37.268 | OUCH!! | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Nov 15 1993 12:55 | 3 |
| Yep, the Cats pulled off a choke worthy of Lute Olsen this week! I think
the Roses are still reachable if USC beats UCLA and UA wins (PLEASE,
GOD!!) against the Scumdevils. Gotta admit though...ASU *IS* on a tear!
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| 37.269 | 4th in the PAC goes to the Alamo Bowl | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 12:58 | 9 |
| > Yep, the Cats pulled off a choke worthy of Lute Olsen this week! I think
> the Roses are still reachable if USC beats UCLA and UA wins (PLEASE,
> GOD!!) against the Scumdevils. Gotta admit though...ASU *IS* on a tear!
Nope, the Mildcats are completely out of the Rose Bowl picture with
that loss. USC only has 1 PAC loss, UA has 2 now. If both win, USC
goes. The Battle of L.A. decides the Rose Bowl contestant.
UA will probably end up in the Alamo Bowl again.
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| 37.270 | The Battle for the Desert '93! | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Nov 15 1993 13:17 | 4 |
| re .269
Bummer. This means there's only one game left in the season! Where
is it gonna be played this year, Tempe or Tucson?
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| 37.271 | | DECWET::METZGER | America's most beloved game show host | Mon Nov 15 1993 13:40 | 14 |
|
USC is cannon fodder for Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. You'll see carnage not
witnessed since Ben-Hur. The PAC 10 is having avery down year..I don't know if
they are once again leading the college world as it strives to resemble the NFL
in parity or if all the teams are just having a bad season.
Not a team in the PAC 10 deserves to be in the top 10....only an upset over
Ohio in the rose should vault any of them into it.
Mike, Why do 'Zona teams only come on in the 2nd half of the season? Arizona
did it last year (best team int he PAC 10 at the end of the year) and ASU
seems to be doing it again this year....
Metz
|
| 37.272 | They're doing it on the ground and with the big D | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 14:03 | 19 |
| The Mildcats have to come to Tempe for the BIG GAME!
>Not a team in the PAC 10 deserves to be in the top 10....only an upset over
>Ohio in the rose should vault any of them into it.
I'd like the current Droods chances against teams 5-10.
>Mike, Why do 'Zona teams only come on in the 2nd half of the season? Arizona
>did it last year (best team int he PAC 10 at the end of the year) and ASU
>seems to be doing it again this year....
I don't think that's the case. UA started slipping late last season
too and then ASU knocked them off in Tucson. ASU finally got their
offensive line down so that they could run the ball and added a
blue-chip QB to boot. Mario Bates has averaged 150 yards per game
during the streak. He passed 1000 against UCLA and is the first Drood
back to do that in 7 years.
Mike
|
| 37.273 | PAC-10 finish and designated bowls | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 14:08 | 4 |
| 1st - Rose Bowl (USC-UCLA winner)
2nd - Bowl Coalition
3rd - Freedom Bowl
4th - Alamo Bowl
|
| 37.274 | college pranks have begun | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 16:18 | 5 |
| I noticed while at school today that the Mildcat faithful are at it
already. The big "A" on the mountain next to Sun Devil Stadium has
already been painted blue & red. It's bad enough they have to come
here to play the hottest team in the PAC, now they went and PO'd the
whole school.
|
| 37.275 | Happens every year. | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Nov 15 1993 16:34 | 2 |
| The difference is UA students are bright enough to do it without being
caught!
|
| 37.276 | just plain awful with the Roses at stake | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 16:49 | 2 |
| ...but the "#1 defense in the country" isn't smart enough to hold a 20-0
lead in the final quarter.
|
| 37.277 | this all happened when lEe was in his 20's | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Mon Nov 15 1993 16:58 | 14 |
|
Ya'll sure are thin skinned down there in the desert Mike.
Just count yourself lucky you don't play Colorado School of
Mines. They dynamited the pillars in front of some of the
Colorado College buildings back a few decades ago! Had a
bunch of halftime brawls where they were only broken up by
the two teams running out onto the field. The good ole days
I guess.
Mines and CC was the oldest rivalry west of the Mississippi
until CC decided they couldn't hang a couple of years ago.
Claybone
|
| 37.278 | | 16421::HEISER | dweller on the threshold | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:04 | 4 |
| > Ya'll sure are thin skinned down there in the desert Mike.
we're not thin-skinned. I know it's all in good fun, but UA is still
going down.
|
| 37.279 | life is good | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 22 1993 11:14 | 25 |
| Well it was *almost* a perfect weekend!
- The Wolverines completely abused the Buckeyes. Bret Powers must wish
he stayed at ASU now to play backup here. Ha Ha!
- Boston College brought Nother Shame back to reality. Lou was right
all along.
- Miami lost. Always adds to your day.
- The Suns continue their winning ways.
The only drawback to the whole weekend was UCLA beat USC, which
prevents my Droods at a shot at 2nd in the PAC.
Nothing would be finer than having a perfect week with these scenarios:
- ASU whips up on Nogales Tech and hopefully meet Michigan in the
Freedom Bowl.
- The Boomer Sooners do us all a favor in embarrassing the Huskers
*BEFORE* they get to the Orange Bowl. Sure would clear up the polls.
- BC beats West Virginia.
- FSU beats the Gators to set up the title bowl here in Tempe.
- The Fish beating Dallas on Turkey Day
- ...and the Suns and Celtics continuing their great starts.
would be a beautiful world,
Mike
|
| 37.280 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Mon Nov 22 1993 12:08 | 5 |
| If Cornhuskers and WVU both lose then it's probably
back to FSU and ND in the Fiesta Bolw.
The Crazy Met
|
| 37.281 | that's the whole idea | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 22 1993 12:38 | 2 |
| > If Cornhuskers and WVU both lose then it's probably
> back to FSU and ND in the Fiesta Bolw.
|
| 37.285 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Sat Nov 27 1993 18:56 | 3 |
| And of course UA beat ASU.
The Crazy Met
|
| 37.282 | How 'bout them "mildcats"?? | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Nov 29 1993 08:53 | 1 |
|
|
| 37.286 | Snyder is now 1-1 in the GAME | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:35 | 4 |
| Yeah kudos to UA. They now lead the rivalry by 10 W's. The first half
was great, but ASU couldn't continue their running success in the
second half. ASU is the only team to rush for over 100 yards against
them in the last 2 seasons, and they've done it twice.
|
| 37.283 | | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:37 | 7 |
| Like I said elsewhere, congrats to UA. I'll take my heaping of
Nogales-styled Cat Crow. After the first half, the second half was a
major letdown. UA finally figured out how to stop ASU's rushing
attack.
UA vs. Miami in the Fiesta Bowl is still a possibility. No word yet on
ASU's bowl hopes.
|
| 37.287 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:37 | 1 |
| So which bowl is ASU going to ?
|
| 37.288 | ASU gags again and the truth surfaces... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:40 | 9 |
|
> Yeah kudos to UA. They now lead the rivalry by 10 W's.
What?! You mean the school that has no football tradition, no great
NFL alumni, no fictionalized press guide actually leads this rivalry
by 10 wins?
glenn
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| 37.289 | | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:40 | 2 |
| ASU and Cal are tied for 4th in the PAC. It's up to the Sun or Alamo
Bowls who to pick.
|
| 37.290 | | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 11:45 | 9 |
| > What?! You mean the school that has no football tradition, no great
> NFL alumni, no fictionalized press guide actually leads this rivalry
> by 10 wins?
Glenn, the rivalry is 89 years old. They padded their wins early in
this century when ASU was an agriculture school. ASU has been
dominating the series since 1950 when Whizzer White (Danny's father)
helped turned the school's football program around. ASU is 30-12-1 vs.
UA since then.
|
| 37.284 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Elway for MVP? | Mon Nov 29 1993 12:16 | 1 |
| ASU don't deserve it...
|
| 37.291 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Nov 29 1993 12:28 | 5 |
| > ASU and Cal are tied for 4th in the PAC. It's up to the Sun or Alamo
> Bowls who to pick.
The Alamo Bowl picked California. I believe ASU has been left out of
the bowl picture.
|
| 37.292 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Mon Nov 29 1993 12:49 | 9 |
|
ASU ended the season 6-5, Cal was 8-4. Although both were tied in the
PAC, Cal is the logical choice.
Now if someone could explain the logic (without using the term TV) hou
Arizona is in the Fiesta Bowl, after having played only 1 top 25 team,
and losing that game, I'd be greatful.
brews
|
| 37.293 | | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 13:12 | 5 |
| Oh well, maybe next year. They controlled their destiny and blew it,
even if they beat Cal 42-0.
ASU's hoops team is really banged up, but managed to beat BYU by 15 on
Saturday night.
|
| 37.294 | | SPECXN::BROWN | Real Men only need 12 bits | Mon Nov 29 1993 14:19 | 12 |
|
re.290
Which Whizzer White are you refering to. The only Whizzer White that comes
to note is Byron White aka Whizzer White Univ of Colorado 1938 later appointed
supreme court justice by Kennedy in 1961.
Is this some Arizona folklore? ,another Heiserism or just plain BS?
Cadzilla2
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| 37.295 | Whiz Kid | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Mon Nov 29 1993 14:33 | 3 |
| Whizzer White is Danny White's father (ex-Dallas Cowboy QB). I don't
know how he got the nickname, but that's what they've been calling him
around here for at least 50 years. He played at ASU in the late '40s.
|
| 37.296 | Just more Arizona folklore | SPECXN::BROWN | Real Men only need 12 bits | Mon Nov 29 1993 14:35 | 2 |
|
|
| 37.297 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Mon Nov 29 1993 15:16 | 5 |
|
There is two. That's why you often hear Byron "Whizzer" White. ASU's
is Wendell "Whizzer" White.
brews
|
| 37.298 | | SPECXN::BROWN | Real Men only need 12 bits | Mon Nov 29 1993 15:23 | 2 |
|
Thanks for the clarification brews
|
| 37.299 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Mon Nov 29 1993 15:34 | 6 |
| The guy from Coloradi wus "Whizard White". Since he wus a scholar and
a supreme court justice, the nickname fits.
Now why is this guy from ASU called Whizzer ?
Keith
|
| 37.300 | And here's our famous tailback, "Hopalong" Cassady... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 29 1993 15:43 | 14 |
|
> The guy from Coloradi wus "Whizard White". Since he wus a scholar and
> a supreme court justice, the nickname fits.
>
> Now why is this guy from ASU called Whizzer ?
Naw, the legendary "Whizzer" White is indeed Byron White of Colorado,
college football HOFer and Supreme Court justice. In 49 of 50 states
when you speak of "Whizzer" White, they know who exactly you're talking
about. In Arizona, it's "Danny White's father" White, first name not
immediately memorable, he of the, er, conveniently "borrowed" nickname...
glenn
|
| 37.301 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Mon Nov 29 1993 15:50 | 6 |
| > Now why is this guy from ASU called Whizzer ?
Mebbe he's a big beer drinker?
brews
|
| 37.302 | Roundball! | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Dec 06 1993 08:42 | 5 |
| Arizona passes it's first test this season by beating 10th ranked
Oklahoma State. Looks like the new fast break, stop and pop Wildcats
could do more damage than previously thought.
Also, it was good to see Santa Clara pester someone else!!
|
| 37.303 | BC over ASU | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Dec 06 1993 09:52 | 1 |
| Arizona State falls to Boston College in hoops action.
|
| 37.304 | how was the game? | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Mon Dec 06 1993 10:47 | 2 |
| I didn't see or listen to the game since I was out of town, but I heard
the score was 74-70. ASU is really banged up with only 8 in uniform.
|
| 37.305 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Tue Dec 07 1993 11:48 | 8 |
|
#16 UA knocked out #10 ASU in the NCAA Wimmens Volleyball tourney. ASU
had beaten UA twice thised year in PAC10 play, including a 5 game set
won by ASU in the final game 24-22. The star of the match was ASU's
Leanne Shuster who was named 1st team all PAC-10 (Leanne undoubtably
gets her inspiration from her sister because she is on my coed team).\
brews
|
| 37.306 | 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:01 | 8 |
| Volleyball is a girly-mon sport brews.
Take up somefin' mainly like soccer.
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL
MikeL
|
| 37.307 | | 7806::ASHE | While you're gnipping, he's gnopping... | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:31 | 1 |
| ...and you should see some of the girlys that play it...
|
| 37.308 | Please pronounce it properly | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Gentleness overcomes strength | Wed Dec 08 1993 15:14 | 11 |
| No MikeL, you got that all wrong. It's
GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HTH
NAZZ
|
| 37.309 | Mea culpa Nazz, guy musta been a trained baritone | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Dec 08 1993 15:21 | 1 |
|
|
| 37.310 | When the world convenes in the States | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Gentleness overcomes strength | Wed Dec 08 1993 15:46 | 5 |
| I just hope ESPN has that guy doin' some of the World Cup games.
When he stretches that one syllable out for 30 or 40 seconds, it gives
me goosebumps!
NAZZ
|
| 37.311 | trying to change the subject | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 08 1993 16:00 | 3 |
| I just heard today that ASU will be returning 16 of 22 starters next
season. It will be Snyder's litmus test since it's his 3rd year and
he'll have his system and recruits in place.
|
| 37.312 | | 7806::ASHE | I ring my 'lil bell on the sidewalk... | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:44 | 2 |
| In what? Soccer? Thought they start 11...
|
| 37.313 | Snyder doesn't coach soccer | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:52 | 1 |
| soccer is for volleyball players.
|
| 37.314 | Thought some might be interested in this ... | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Dec 20 1993 09:19 | 19 |
| Article: 315
Path: pa.dec.com!decwrl!looking!clarinews
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball.college,clari.local.illinois
Subject: Northeastern Illinois 78, Arizona State 75
TEMPE, Ariz. (UPI) -- Marcus West pumped in 24 points and Ulysses
Moran added 19 points and 11 rebounds Saturday night to spark
Northeastern Illinois to a 78-75, second-half comeback victory over
Arizona State.
West also collected eight assists in running the Golden Eagles
offense, which outshot Arizona State 42 to 40 percent. Reggie Smith
added 16 points and grabbed 10 rebounds for Northeastern Illinois.
Stevon Smith led the Sun Devils with 22 points and Isaac Burton added
21.
Arizona State led 41-35 at the half, but the Golden Eagles then came
alive, hitting 18 of 33 shots in the second half for 54.5 percent. The
Sun Devils didn't respond well to the challenge, going cold at that
juncture. They shot only 33.3 percent in the game's late stages.
|
| 37.315 | PAC gets an A in bowling | OUTSRC::HEISER | no, I'm very, very shy | Mon Jan 03 1994 12:16 | 1 |
| 37.316 | | GWEN::ASHE | Detriot(tm) Lions: 1993 NFC Cent. Champs | Mon Jan 03 1994 12:51 | 1 |
| Did the Big 10 lose one?
|
| 37.318 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Jan 03 1994 12:52 | 3 |
| Michigan St. lost.
The Crazy Met
|
| 37.319 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jan 03 1994 12:54 | 11 |
|
> -< PAC gets an A in bowling >-
You don't get no "A" if'n you don't win the Grandaddy. Arizona, the
team you love to hate MikeH, did themselves proud, but a couple of
early yawners by Cal and USC against the likes of Iowa and Utah don't
make up for dropping the Big One. Least that's what Big-10 feigns have
always been told over the years for their troubles in the Rose...
glenn
|
| 37.320 | UA | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Jan 03 1994 13:28 | 22 |
| Great holiday season for Arizona sports. UA's *ripping* of Miami in
the Fiesta Bowl was significant for the following;
o Proved AZ best in PAC in '93
o Brought national recognition to UA's football program. Could
bring better recruiting classes. Could this be the birth
of a new tradition, an AZ football powerhouse??
o Along with the attention AZ has received in the B-ball world for the
past few years this establishes UA as the premier sports school
in the state. ASU will live in the shadow of the 'cats for
years to come!!!!
In hoops, the 'cats lose by one to Kentucky on a last second tip-in.
Good loss though, could give them the toughness they've lacked come
tourney-time.
Took they're revenge on Michigan though, spanking 'em by 25!!
Oh....to be a Wildcat!
|
| 37.321 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | no, I'm very, very shy | Mon Jan 03 1994 13:41 | 9 |
| 37.322 | Info please. | POLAR::FAZIO | | Thu Jan 13 1994 10:55 | 7 |
| Anyone know the date of the first UA-UCLA basketball matchup??
Also, where did Arizona end up on the UP coaches poll??
It's tough to keep up on PAC sports in Eastern Canada!
Thx.
|
| 37.323 | | FRETZ::HEISER | it ain't me | Thu Jan 13 1994 11:18 | 1 |
| I think it's Jan. 20 (or 24th) at the Poly Pavilion.
|
| 37.324 | boy do I feel old! | TNPUBS::ALVEY | Heather be Thy name... | Thu Jan 13 1994 11:23 | 11 |
| Can somebody on the left coast hep me w/this?
I heard somewhere that Kamal(sp) Hamilton is a highly recruited
high school running back. His father Ray (Sugar Bear) Hamilton
played for the Pats in the 70s and is now an assistant with
the Chargers/Rams/Raiders.
I went to college with Ms Hamilton. Most of us took the Green
Line to school. She drove in from Weston in a BMW. Brought the
kid along sometimes. Cute little dude, wider than he was tall
at age 3.
dr.a
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| 37.325 | UA @ UCLA tonight! | FRETZ::HEISER | Matthew 5:18 | Thu Jan 20 1994 16:40 | 1 |
|
|
| 37.326 | Inquiring minds. | POLAR::FAZIO | | Mon Jan 24 1994 13:55 | 1 |
| What happened??
|
| 37.327 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Jan 24 1994 14:08 | 9 |
| re: .326
kinda obvious what happened if the author of .325 did not post
a score.
UCLA won, fairly easily.
The Crazy Met
|
| 37.328 | | FRETZ::HEISER | shadowlands | Mon Jan 24 1994 15:05 | 5 |
| TCM, repeat after me: UA = Arizona, ASU = Arizona State.
I could care less what UCLA does to UA as long as they beat them
Mildcats. UCLA did hammer ASU by 17, but the Droods hammered USC by 30
to take the southern Cal. split.
|
| 37.329 | needs a diagram | GWEN::ASHE | Sit down, you're rockin' the boat | Mon Jan 24 1994 15:09 | 2 |
| And Droods=ASU? UofA? I'm guessing it's not Bruins...
|
| 37.330 | | FRETZ::HEISER | shadowlands | Mon Jan 24 1994 15:10 | 2 |
| Droods are Debils. Ain't nuthin but felines in that faux pas border
town known as Tucson.
|
| 37.331 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! | Thu Feb 03 1994 15:32 | 12 |
| "I like this list, I know that. I told them I believe they all will
play in a Rose Bowl. That's a pretty powerful recruiting statement
isn't it?" - ASU Coach Bruce Snyder
ASU signed 25 players: 4 - RBs, 5 OL, 6 DL, 9 DBs, and 1 QB.
There are some decisions still pending so it can improve. Scouting
services rated ASU's class 2nd best in the PAC (I think Washington was
#1, Arizona #3) and in the top 25 in the country. The QB is a 6'7"
blue-chip player from California (21 of the 25 are from there, 4 locals).
Go Droods!
Hize
|
| 37.332 | Pressure's on Snyder, he better produce... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Feb 03 1994 16:29 | 13 |
|
> There are some decisions still pending so it can improve. Scouting
> services rated ASU's class 2nd best in the PAC (I think Washington was
> #1, Arizona #3) and in the top 25 in the country.
Everything I've seen has had USC at the top of the Pac-10, and very
near the top for the entire country...
Boston College was ranked at #12 by SuperPrep, FWIW. They did finally
nail down that kid Scott Mutryn, the nationally #1-rated QB from Cleveland.
glenn
|
| 37.333 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! Hey! Ho! | Thu Feb 03 1994 16:42 | 11 |
| > -< Pressure's on Snyder, he better produce... >-
yeah, he finally has nothing but his own recruits now.
> Everything I've seen has had USC at the top of the Pac-10, and very
> near the top for the entire country...
Yeah that's who it was. The local paper said Tennessee was #1 and USC
#2. ASU was behind them in the PAC.
MoD
|
| 37.334 | | FRETZ::HEISER | most corrupt White House ever | Wed Mar 09 1994 12:16 | 4 |
| Local media made sure yesterday that everyone knew ASU wasn't being
investigated. The problem is all the collateral damage done around the
country. It will make recruiting tougher since everyone won't print
a retraction after the initial shock.
|
| 37.335 | another NIT invitation | FRETZ::HEISER | impeach the President and her husband | Mon Mar 14 1994 11:43 | 3 |
| With ASU's performance over UA on Saturday, it makes you wonder what
would've happened if they showed that intensity and effort all season
long.
|
| 37.336 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Mon Mar 14 1994 11:46 | 5 |
|
Yeah, it might make you wonder that or it might make you wonder
if UA really deserves a 2 seed. The answer of course is NO. But
Chappy is right, the West is easily the weakest grouping but that's
not exactly a new thing.
|
| 37.337 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Mar 14 1994 12:44 | 3 |
| Lasted year the East was the weakest group.
The Crazy Met
|
| 37.338 | | FRETZ::HEISER | can you see who I am thru those eyes | Mon Mar 21 1994 14:06 | 15 |
| > BTW, Cal and UCLA are major disappointments....
>
> Frank Mendez
yeah Frank, Arizona (of all teams) has somewhat redeemed the conference
from yet another pathetic showing. Washington St. lost to B.C. but
that isn't that shocking. ASU deserved to be there more than WSU
anyway. Most PAC fans knew they were better.
However, if you look at it like the handicap horses (if beaten they're
measured by how the victor performs afterwards), the UCLA didn't do too
badly. Tulsa has shown that they are't a fluke. There just is no
excuse at all for Cal.
Mike
|
| 37.339 | fyi | FRETZ::HEISER | can you see who I am thru those eyes | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:03 | 1 |
| Jason Kidd has announced a press conference for this Wednesday.
|
| 37.340 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:12 | 10 |
| <<< Note 37.338 by FRETZ::HEISER "can you see who I am thru those eyes" >>>
> yeah Frank, Arizona (of all teams) has somewhat redeemed the conference
> from yet another pathetic showing. Washington St. lost to B.C. but
> that isn't that shocking. ASU deserved to be there more than WSU
> anyway. Most PAC fans knew they were better.
Most of the people on the Pac-10 mailing list were thinking WSU to be
better than ASU at the end of the season. Perhaps you mean most PAC
fans in Arizona.
|
| 37.341 | WSU didn't beat any of the PAC's best | FRETZ::HEISER | can you see who I am thru those eyes | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:15 | 6 |
| > Most of the people on the Pac-10 mailing list were thinking WSU to be
> better than ASU at the end of the season. Perhaps you mean most PAC
> fans in Arizona.
WSU didn't do as well in the conference and had a weaker
outer-conference schedule.
|
| 37.342 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:17 | 18 |
| <<< Note 37.341 by FRETZ::HEISER "can you see who I am thru those eyes" >>>
>> Most of the people on the Pac-10 mailing list were thinking WSU to be
>> better than ASU at the end of the season. Perhaps you mean most PAC
>> fans in Arizona.
>
> WSU didn't do as well in the conference and had a weaker
> outer-conference schedule.
>
WSU and ASU had the same record in the conference, and WSU came on
strong after a dismal 0-4 (0-5?) start in the conference. WSU was
definately playing better basketball at the end of the season, with
wins over Cal and Stanford (the other contender for the 4th PAC-10
NCAA spot) at the end of the season clinching the spot for the Cougars.
ASU played well against Arizona, but didn't peak in the second half
of the season like WSU did.
|
| 37.343 | West Coast Basketball RIP | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:42 | 13 |
| The PAC 10's record since the NCAA tourney expanded has got to be
abysmal. What makes it even worse is the amount of high seeds the
conference is able to garner.
It's about time West Coast basketball is recognized for the pathetic
thing it is.
Everybody is amazed at UCLA's 12 year run between 1963-4 and 1974-5,but
in the majority of them UCLA only had to win two games against the likes
of the Big Sky,WAC and PCAA to reach the final four .
If the NCAA had been 64 teams with non-geographical regions,I doubt
they would have won more than 5 (still a great record).
|
| 37.344 | pretty sorry | FRETZ::HEISER | can you see who I am thru those eyes | Mon Mar 21 1994 15:51 | 2 |
| At one time during the weekend, the only teams around that live west of
the Missouri river were Boise St. and Arizona.
|
| 37.345 | PAC-10 is basically a fraud | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass - 1995 NCAA Champs! | Wed Mar 23 1994 10:03 | 6 |
| PAC-10 in NIT: all three teams lose in first round.
PAC-10 in NCAA: three of four teams lose in first round.
'Nuff said.
NAZZ
|
| 37.346 | not exactly a neutral tournament | FRETZ::HEISER | Mr.Clinton, Linda Thompson is right | Wed Mar 23 1994 11:12 | 3 |
| > PAC-10 in NIT: all three teams lose in first round.
To be fair, ASU had to play BYU on their homecourt.
|
| 37.347 | P-Name explanation | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Wed Mar 23 1994 11:14 | 3 |
| re: Mike
What does your P-name mean?
|
| 37.348 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Mar 23 1994 12:49 | 6 |
| re: .347
do you HAVE to ask??? :-(
The Crazy Met
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| 37.349 | He already knows | FRETZ::HEISER | PoliticalSuicide:Whitewater&LindaThompson | Wed Mar 23 1994 14:22 | 1 |
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| 37.350 | NCAA Baseball icon in a fight for his life | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 13:02 | 6 |
| ASU continues their rain delayed regional today. They're down 3-0 in
the 2nd. The team is trying to give Coach Jim Brock something to
remember. If you've seen him lately, you probably know he's fighting a
losing battle with cancer.
Mike
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| 37.351 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 13:13 | 1 |
| ASU now losing 5-2 in the 5th
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| 37.352 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 13:33 | 1 |
| The Eastern Carolina Catamounts now lead ASU 6-2 in the 6th.
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| 37.353 | ECU is da Pirates | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 27 1994 13:36 | 3 |
| If'n it's Carolina and the Catamounts, it's Western Carolina.
TTom
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| 37.354 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 13:38 | 2 |
| Yeah Tom, sorry about that, you're right. WC now leads ASU 6-4 in the
bottom of the 7th.
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| 37.355 | beautiful | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 27 1994 13:59 | 6 |
| re: Western Carolina.
They're one of my accounts. Nice school. Beautiful country, in the
highlands of NC's Blue Ridge Mountains.
TTom
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| 37.356 | big comeback! | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 14:05 | 1 |
| ASU now leads WC 7-6 in the 8th.
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| 37.357 | ASU beats WC 8-6 | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri May 27 1994 14:29 | 1 |
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| 37.358 | College Baseball loses a Legend | FRETZ::HEISER | ugadanodawonumadja | Mon Jun 13 1994 14:18 | 19 |
| ASU Coach Jim Brock died last night. He left behind a 23-year legacy
at Arizona St., including 11 conference titles and 2 World Series
Championships. He had also coach 168 players that signed pro
contracts, with 63 reaching the MLB level.
Other notable achievements:
- only coach in baseball history to have won national titles at the
American Legion, Jr. College, and NCAA Division 1 levels.
- Coached Mesa Community College to national titles in '70 and '71 and
was the Jr. College COY both seasons.
- PAC-10 COY 5 times in the leagues 16 years and won the conference in
'81, '82, '84, '88, and '93. Missed being the first team to repeat,
since ASU last did it, this season by 1 game.
- He won 1100 games while with ASU, ranking him 7th on the all-time
NCAA Division 1 list.
- Average 47.8 wins per season, 2nd best in NCAA history among coaches
with at least 1000 wins.
- National COY in '77, '81, '84, and '88.
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| 37.359 | Retire the lawn chair; this took some courage... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Jun 13 1994 14:28 | 13 |
|
> ASU Coach Jim Brock died last night. He left behind a 23-year legacy
> at Arizona St., including 11 conference titles and 2 World Series
> Championships. He had also coach 168 players that signed pro
> contracts, with 63 reaching the MLB level.
Damn. RIP, Coach Brock. It just doesn't seem that it could be a complete
coincidence that Brock made it through to the final week of his team's
season before passing away. You know that these guys will never forget
his impact on their lives...
glenn
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| 37.360 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri Aug 05 1994 14:23 | 5 |
| Arizona was picked by the PAC coaches to win that conference. USC was
#2, UCLA #3. ASU was picked #7.
Rumor has it that SI has picked Arizona as #1 for their NCAA preseason
issue.
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| 37.361 | Miami ain't no big thang | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Sep 26 1994 13:05 | 1 |
| Kudos to UDub for bringing some respectability back to the PAC.
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| 37.362 | sort | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Mon Sep 26 1994 13:16 | 5 |
| Hey, Mike,
Oregon prevailed against mighty Iowa, too.
TTom
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| 37.363 | WAC rules! | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Tue Oct 11 1994 10:45 | 9 |
|
No word on the mighty Colorado State Rams defeating Arizona? CSU
is 6-0 and ranked in the top 15 for the first time in umpteen years.
I did a "dir/ti=PAC" and saw the first note. "The best conference in
the land" or something like that. Looks like the WAC has taken that
over, right Heiser?
Kevin
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| 37.364 | | ELMAGO::BENBACA | No QUANTUM leap for Albuquerque! | Tue Oct 11 1994 11:02 | 1 |
| Arizona used to play in the WAC.....or was that Arizona St?
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| 37.365 | Both | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Tue Oct 11 1994 11:06 | 8 |
| > <<< Note 37.364 by ELMAGO::BENBACA "No QUANTUM leap for Albuquerque!" >>>
>
> Arizona used to play in the WAC.....or was that Arizona St?
I think both of them did.
Kevin
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| 37.366 | Yup. | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Tue Oct 11 1994 12:30 | 4 |
|
ASU and UofA both moved from the WAC to the PAC in about the 1977-1978
time frame.
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| 37.367 | forget the Nogales Tech Mildcats | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Oct 11 1994 14:45 | 3 |
| Don't be knockin' me about some team from Mexico. ASU is the only
PAC-10 team in AZ. Nice come from behind win over Stanford last
weekend for the young Droods(tm).
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| 37.368 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Ain't no cure for the overseed blues | Tue Oct 11 1994 15:08 | 8 |
|
UA suffers from the disease the NU used to have whenever they played a
ranked team. Lookit the creampuff, made for #1 schedule they had/have.
They coulda had a cakewalk ala BYU to the MNC, and blew it.
brews
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| 37.369 | things looking up for next year's Droods | FRETZ::HEISER | LHS Blew Devils #1 | Mon Oct 24 1994 12:45 | 3 |
| ASU became the first team this season to score over 10 points against
Washington St. Too bad the 21 points were still a TD behind the
Cougars.
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| 37.370 | gotta luv it | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 31 1994 10:48 | 3 |
| That was quite a nice whuppin' the Droods handed BYU up in Utah.
And the Nogales Tech Cats lose AGAIN!
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| 37.371 | | GENRAL::WADE | FearTheGovernmentWhoFearsYourGuns | Mon Oct 31 1994 11:51 | 4 |
|
So who is going to the Rose? Oregon? Quack!
Claybone
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| 37.372 | anybody but Nogales Tech | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 31 1994 11:51 | 1 |
| Oregon goes if they don't lose again. They play ASU this week.
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| 37.373 | nooop | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 31 1994 12:01 | 16 |
| > Oregon goes if they don't lose again. They play ASU this week.
Not true. Oregon has to win all of its league games and Washington St has
to lose at least 1. The Cougars beat them mighty Ducks in their
head-to-head battle.
Right now, in alphabetical order, the top o' the PAC looks like:
Arizona 4-1 lost to Oregon
Oregon 4-1 lost to Washington St
Southern Cal 4-1 lost to Oregon
Washington St 4-1 lost to Arizona
Kinda nice and in the family, eh?
TTom
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| 37.374 | break one tie | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 31 1994 12:03 | 1 |
| Arizona will play USC in Southern Cal within the next couple weeks.
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| 37.375 | in the cat bird seat | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 31 1994 12:06 | 7 |
| Oregon seems to have the easier road just looking at them compared to
Washington St.
The Ducks play Arizona St, at Stanford, at Oregon St.
The Cougars play Southern Cal, at Oregon St, Washington.
TTom
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| 37.376 | About as exciting as ND vs Navy | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Tue Nov 01 1994 18:48 | 9 |
| Let's see, Oregan and Penn State in the Rose Bowl..
This is definately a game that the whole country wants to see in the
Grandaddy of all bowl games. Ticket scalpers will surely get top dollar
for tickets.....
NOT.
Keith
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| 37.377 | ...on tradition alone... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Nov 02 1994 09:38 | 9 |
|
> Let's see, Oregan and Penn State in the Rose Bowl..
Might be more exciting than that Nebraska-Colorado rivalry, Keith...
;-)
glenn
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| 37.378 | Go Ducks! | GENRAL::WADE | FearTheGovernmentWhoFearsYourGuns | Wed Nov 02 1994 09:42 | 5 |
|
C'mon Keith, any team who's fans attend the game with duck
call in hand is a fun team. Quack! :*)
Claybone
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| 37.379 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Wed Nov 02 1994 10:54 | 5 |
| You guys are right, the Lions chasin the Ducks in the Rose bowl will be
some spectacle. Should we just call it the game of the century now or
wait until they play it ?
Keith
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| 37.380 | If you didn't already know, I work for Rose Bowl Committee... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Nov 02 1994 14:06 | 19 |
|
> You guys are right, the Lions chasin the Ducks in the Rose bowl will be
> some spectacle. Should we just call it the game of the century now or
> wait until they play it ?
Well, I'll enjoy it, even if Penn State does fall out of voting favor.
I'm one of those countless tens of millions whose sanity is questioned
every year when the Rose Bowl puts up the highest TV ratings (the Fiesta
Bowl is only occasionally a better game anyway) of all the bowls. Joe
Paterno finally going to the Rose Bowl will be a special event, and
new teams in PSU and either Oregon (last Rose Bowl 1958) or Wash St (1931)
will bring fan presences to match Wisconsin's last year. The game may
well be a blowout but going in it's not going to be that much less
interesting than any of the other projected games with the exception
of Nebraska-Miami. Florida-Notre Dame? Texas-Alabama? Colorado-Florida St?
In any case, no one is getting what they _really_ want, the MNC bowl...
glenn
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| 37.381 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 02 1994 14:31 | 1 |
| Enjoy it while you can. The Droods are gonna own it next season.
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| 37.382 | Growl, grrr, quack, quack... | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Wed Nov 02 1994 15:07 | 8 |
| Yea, I'd love to see the Lions and Huskers mix it up also. It would be a
monster event for college football and TV entertainment. Unfortunately, we
gotta live with the status quo.
BTW, if'n the Ducks make it to the grandaddy of all bowl games, I'll pick
PSU by 10. When I say 10, I mean 10 touchdowns.
Keith
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| 37.383 | Don't count your Ducks... | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Wed Nov 02 1994 15:14 | 21 |
|
Contrary to (what seems to be) popular belief, Oregon is not exactly
in the drivers seat to win the lackluster� Pac-10.
Hypothetical: If Oregon, Arizona and Wazoo all end the season with nine
overall wins and a 7-1 conference record, the University of Arizona will
go to it's first Rose Bowl. Even though Oregon beat Arizona, the firsted
tie breaker is a point system giving 4 pts. for a conference win, 3 pts.
for a non-conference I-A win and two for a non I-A win. The Ducks beat
Portland State... and the fact they were even on the schedule might kill
the roses. Points would be: Arizona and Wazoo with 34, Ducks with 33.
Arizona has Cal at home, USC in LA, and ASU at home left.
Ah, what sweet revenge it would be for the Devils to return the favor
of knocking our beloved in-state rival out of the Rose Bowl... :)
�Interesting to note that the Pac is getting very little respect despite
having 5 teams in the top 25... though all in the 12-22 range.
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| 37.384 | Anybody but the Trojans... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Nov 02 1994 15:35 | 23 |
|
> Contrary to (what seems to be) popular belief, Oregon is not exactly
> in the drivers seat to win the lackluster� Pac-10.
They don't control their own destiny (none of the teams do), but they
do seem to be in the best position, schedule-wise. Washington St. has
those two tough games left with USC and Washington, and, even at home,
I don't think they're going to win both of them. It looks good for the
Ducks if'n they don't choke (which they very well could, starting with
Arizona St.).
As long as USC doesn't make it, I don't care. The Pac-10 rep isn't
going to be strong regardless, but a Penn State re-match with USC is
a big dog, even though USC might just be the best team of the Pac-10
contenders. On Saturday Dick Vermeil made the statement that he'd
never seen anything quite like the 35-0 first-half barrage that PSU
put on OSU. Well, I know what he meant, as those last 10 minutes
were awesome, but the halftime score of that earlier game was also
Penn State 35, USC 0. A re-match falls under the category of
"absolutely nothing to gain".
glenn
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| 37.385 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 02 1994 15:45 | 2 |
| USC is probably playing the best ball right now in the PAC. They would
still probably lose to UCLA though, as pathetic as they are this year.
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| 37.386 | USC wins PAC-10 | CSC32::A_PARRACO | Hope for the Dope | Sat Nov 05 1994 09:01 | 6 |
|
Trojans wil go to the Rose Bowl, you heard it here first.
Go Coach Robbie !
- acp
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| 37.387 | | PTOS02::JACOBR | Politically incorrect & damn proud of it | Sun Nov 06 1994 08:14 | 5 |
| re.386
And get KILLED by Penn State!!!!
JaKe
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| 37.388 | Rose Bowl | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 07 1994 09:28 | 8 |
|
I kinda of think that the winner of the USC-Arizona game this weekend will
wind up in the Rose Bowl. Whoever it is will be whupped on, but I think that
PSU vs Arizona would be the closest (best) game. Of course I'm still hoping
for Arizona to be primed to go, having only to beat ASU turkey weekend, and
then... revenge time. :)
Greg
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| 37.389 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Nov 07 1994 09:35 | 2 |
| So which of the two, Stanford or Oregon State, is going to beat
Oregon ? If Oregon wins out, they go to the Rose Bowl.
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| 37.390 | | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 07 1994 09:44 | 4 |
|
Where are Oregon's last games played? And are you sure that
if Oregon and Arizona both win out, that Oregon has more 'points'
than Arizona?
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| 37.391 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Browns rule, Pats SIP! | Mon Nov 07 1994 09:52 | 7 |
|
It's being widely reported that Oregon now controls its own destiny--
I assume because of the head-to-head sweep Oregon owns against USC and
Arizona.
glenn
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| 37.392 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | Dawgs RULE, Pats SIP! | Mon Nov 07 1994 10:14 | 5 |
| 37.393 | :*) | GENRAL::WADE | FearTheGovernmentWhoFearsYourGuns | Mon Nov 07 1994 10:22 | 5 |
|
I see Ice is still stinging from that whuppin' PSU laid on
his Buckeyes...
Claybone
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| 37.394 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Nov 07 1994 10:59 | 7 |
| Oregon owns head-to-head against both Arizona and USC. Contrary
to what was published earlier, the "points" system applies in a
3-way tie only if one team does not have a win against both the other
teams (i.e., each team was 1-1 against the other two, or if two of
the teams did not meet each other). This doesn't apply, since Oregon
has played and beaten the other two. Oregon travels to Stanford, then
plays OSU at home.
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| 37.395 | | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 07 1994 11:08 | 7 |
|
Re: -.1
Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that it was
simply; first conference record, then points system, and then head-to-head.
I should have known that nothing is that simple... Oregon is the team
to beat.
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| 37.396 | Go Ducks | 25022::BREEN | | Mon Nov 07 1994 11:08 | 6 |
| I happened upon the Sports Illustrated College Preview and it had
Arizona as pre-season #1 and no mention of Oregon anywhere. Oregon
State was mentioned at about #50.
Personnally I'd like to see these webbed, wonders of the west and root
like hell for them against the Nittany Lions
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| 37.397 | They can play D | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Browns rule, Pats SIP! | Mon Nov 07 1994 11:38 | 17 |
|
> Personnally I'd like to see these webbed, wonders of the west and root
> like hell for them against the Nittany Lions
Oregon's defense has come together and really does appear to be
semi-legitimate, as good as anybody else's out in the wild Pac-10,
possibly including Arizona's much-hyped Desert Swarm. That's the
kind of team it'll take to beat Penn St, one with a strong defense. I
think Penn St will get such a test next weekend in Illinois, where
if they don't prepare themselves better than they did against Indiana
(it showed early, before Penn St wore the Hoosiers out) they could get
beat. That game might be an indication of what the Rose Bowl will look
like; whether a low-scoring team with a strong defense can hang in
there...
glenn
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| 37.398 | go ducks | BSS::MARLAND | | Mon Nov 07 1994 12:45 | 3 |
| I was thinking Oregon would coast through the next two games and get
that trip to the rose bowl but after seeing what Stanford did to
Washington it may not be that easy.
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| 37.399 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | Dawgs RULE, Pats SIP! | Mon Nov 07 1994 21:23 | 5 |
| 37.400 | some things never change | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 14 1994 12:03 | 1 |
| Arizona chokes away the Roses again.
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| 37.401 | ASU?? | BSS::MENDEZ | | Mon Nov 14 1994 13:22 | 2 |
| And what happened to the Sun Devils this week???
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| 37.402 | next year the Roses return to Tempe | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 14 1994 17:03 | 1 |
| they were trounced by UCLA.
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| 37.403 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 16 1994 13:23 | 4 |
| Kareem is rumored to be a candidate for the vacant USC coaching job.
ASU has a good shot at a 20-win season this year. They'll face a good
test in the Maui Classic next week.
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| 37.404 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Nov 22 1994 11:34 | 5 |
| That's an awfully big spread in the UA-ASU game. I'm not sure UA could
handle all 15 of those points. They couldn't even handle a dozen roses!
ASU pasted Texas A&M in the Maui Tournament yesterday, 103-73. They
get the Michigan-Tulane winner next.
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| 37.405 | ASU beats Michigan | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Wed Nov 23 1994 09:51 | 13 |
|
Wow. It's been awhile since I've been optimistic about a Sun Devil
team, but Frieder's squad looked good last night. It really is the
healthiest team he's had since his arrival. A bit of a scare when
Mario Bennett went down after an inside pass/jam, but it was only a
slightly sprained ankle... thankfully not the ACL revisited.
Tonight will be a test against the Terps, Bennett was the largest starter
last night at 6'9". After tonight, their toughest non-conference opponent
is OSU w/ Big Country here in Tempe.
For us, just making the dance would be an improvement... but dawn may be
rising.
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| 37.406 | GO DROODS! | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 23 1994 11:17 | 12 |
| They didn't just beat Michigan, they *TROUNCED* the #13 Wolverines
79-62!!! Maryland beat Utah 90-78 to setup the championship game
tonight at 8pm (MST). Should be a good game against Joe Smith & Co.
Indiana is fighting it out for 4th against Tulane.
The first half ended with ASU-Michigan tied at 38. The Droods came out
in the second half with a full-court press and went on an 13-0 tear and
never looked back.
ASU is now 4-0 lifetime vs. Michigan (3 in hoops and the '86 Rose Bowl).
Mike
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| 37.407 | UMD vs ASU | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | One hand clapping | Wed Nov 23 1994 11:26 | 6 |
| Should be a good game tonight. Utah looked good until Van Horn(?)
fouled out. Smith low couldn't be stopped.
Finally a Terp team to cheer about (this year)!
UMDan
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| 37.408 | Gary > Dean | CNTROL::CHILDS | Swimsuit Issue - Sonic Youth | Wed Nov 23 1994 12:48 | 7 |
|
Should be a good game tonight. I haven't seen ASU yet but the turnovers
they've been causing certainly stick out and grap you. Marland looks
great though. They'll be right there with the dreaded Tarheals for the
ACC crown. In fact I agree with Doug that they'll win it.
mike
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| 37.409 | Looks like a monumental choke job by the devils | AD::HEATH | Can the Pats duplilcate it??? | Mon Nov 28 1994 12:04 | 9 |
|
Mike....
Nothing about the UA ASU game on Friday? Maybe you should do the
Droods a favor and explain to them that there is 4 quarters in a game
not 3. :*)
Jerry
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| 37.410 | There's a new contender in the PAC | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 28 1994 13:45 | 11 |
| Yeah they lost, but did very well for a 15pt dog. I said a week ago
that they would cover. The football team finished with its worst
record in decades. Fans half-expected it though. With the recruits
coming in and the experience this young team now has, next year should
be a blue chip year.
But how about the Drood hoopsters!!! They spanked Michigan and
Maryland last week to win the Maui Tournament. They've come out of
nowhere to #13 in the new USA Today poll!
Mike
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| 37.411 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Clinton happens | Mon Nov 28 1994 13:52 | 8 |
| > With the recruits coming in and the experience this young team now
> has, next year should be a blue chip year.
and you accused me of wishful thinking? THis team is in trouble for a
couple years, I think. Snyder will start looking for a new job by this
time next year.
brews
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| 37.412 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 28 1994 13:54 | 6 |
| I don't think so Brews. They have barely a handful of seniors starting
on both sides of the ball. Everyone, including the media, was saying
in August to write off this season because next season will be the team
to watch.
Mike
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| 37.413 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Clinton happens | Mon Nov 28 1994 13:56 | 6 |
|
Yabbut, they didn't beat anyone, and didn't look good in their losses
(except maybe the UA loss, but everyone now knows how overrated they
were).
brews
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| 37.414 | they had lots of injuries this year too | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 28 1994 14:06 | 1 |
| They pasted BYU in Utah when they were ranked.
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| 37.415 | | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Mon Nov 28 1994 16:56 | 5 |
|
Looks like Bill Walsh is out at Stanford, by his own choice apparently.
Kevin
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| 37.416 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Nov 28 1994 17:04 | 2 |
| His players had a meeting with the AD and revolted against him. They
didn't like the direction Walsh was taking the program.
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| 37.417 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Dec 05 1994 12:40 | 11 |
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| 37.418 | thud! | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 05 1994 12:51 | 10 |
| You mean the hoops team that lost to New Mexico. Choke would be a better
description.
At one point, with the scores in the 60s, them ASUers were up by 6. About
1 minute later they was down by 6. After being favored by 4 or so, they
went on to lose 87-71.
Dean, and his ilk, woulda been proud of this fold.
TTom
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| 37.419 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Dec 05 1994 12:57 | 2 |
| The Pit is never an easy place to win and I believe NM is ranked as
well. ASU will remain in the top 20.
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| 37.420 | partial credit | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 05 1994 13:03 | 16 |
| > The Pit is never an easy place to win and I believe NM is ranked as
> well.
As someone in here likes to write, bzzzzt, wrong answer, but thanks for
playing. New Mexico is at the very bottom of other teams receiving votes.
Perhaps, in a manner of indistinction, you are thinking of #21 New Mexico
State?
And oh yes, the Pit is the place for any Pack fans. Site of Jim Valvano's
miracle of '83.
> ASU will remain in the top 20.
They are currently at #16.
TTom
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| 37.421 | thanks for the correction | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Dec 05 1994 16:16 | 1 |
| NMS is ranked, but NM only received 6 votes for a ranking.
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| 37.422 | ;=) | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 05 1994 16:20 | 5 |
| Hey, we caint have any of this cordial apology stuff here in SPROTS.
I demand a_apology for apologizing.
TTom
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| 37.423 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Dec 05 1994 16:23 | 5 |
| Okay Tom, sorry.
How's this?
F O A D!
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| 37.424 | Go Lobos! | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | We're #5 Baby; that's not too bad! | Wed Dec 07 1994 10:00 | 13 |
| I happened to watch the ASU-New Mexico game, and it was a very
entertaining contest. ASU led by as many as 14 in the first half, but
the Lobos made a nice run to close to within a couple of baskets at
halftime. Second half is back and forth until with about 9 minutes
left, NM coach Bliss gets T'd up after one of their players gets pushed
OB and there is no call. The Pit goes ballistic, the team gets
psyched, ASU hits one FG in the next 6 minutes, and the Lobos roar
to the victory.
ASU seemed to tank it once they lost the lead, and Frieder had no clue
how to stop the bleeding.
NAZZ
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| 37.425 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Dec 07 1994 11:48 | 2 |
| Super Mario got mauled quite a few times too without a call, but that's
par for the course in the Pit.
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| 37.426 | I was waiting for that one! ;-) | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | We're #5 Baby; that's not too bad! | Thu Dec 08 1994 09:26 | 3 |
| Nice whine Mike!
NAZZ
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| 37.427 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 08 1994 11:10 | 1 |
| I wasn't whining, Silver Fox, I was relating reality to ya!
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| 37.428 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Dec 14 1994 13:11 | 18 |
| Da Droods move up 3 spots in the polls to #13 without even playing a
game! Maybe we should take the rest of the season off and we'll be in
the top 5!
Drood wrasslin is #5 in the country.
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| 37.429 | curious question... | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Thu Dec 15 1994 10:17 | 9 |
|
dru-id (also Dru-id) n. [Lat. druides, druids, prob. of Celtic orig] A member
of an order of priests in ancient Britain and Gaul who appear in Welsh and
Irish legend as prophets and sorcerers.
I can see the relationship to the Celts... but being a newcomer to this
esteemed forum, I missed how it got connected to the Sun Devils. Is it
a Heisermainism? Please help.
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| 37.430 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 15 1994 11:08 | 2 |
| Droods were devil worshipers. I think 'Sawmain came up with it during a
Halloween debate years ago.
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| 37.431 | | CAMONE::WAY | I'll miss you, Rak, my friend | Thu Dec 15 1994 11:13 | 20 |
| > Droods were devil worshipers. I think 'Sawmain came up with it during a
> Halloween debate years ago.
Yes.
Actually, the evolution came from the Halloween debate, combined with
a veiled reference to the proscribed "Dwarf Tossing" topic.
I wrote something about little lawn statues for Halloween, and I remember
using the term Droods. Kev or Jake asked if the statues could be tossed,
something like that.
Then Denny Rieu starting using the term a lot, and the rest was history.
Since the Arizona team is nicknamed Sun Devils, Mike calls them the Droods....
'Saw
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| 37.432 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Thu Dec 15 1994 11:27 | 4 |
| >> Droods were devil worshipers.
They were? I think you're wrong (again).
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| 37.433 | | CAMONE::WAY | I'll miss you, Rak, my friend | Thu Dec 15 1994 11:35 | 1 |
| Yeah, didn't the Druids have something to do with trees and whatnot?
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| 37.434 | look it up | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 15 1994 12:36 | 2 |
| Droods were extreme pagans into witchcraft and blood sacrifices - from
animals to humans. They sacrificed to Samhain, which is Satan.
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| 37.435 | The golden rule applies here | AKOCOA::BREEN | Come Monday... | Thu Dec 15 1994 15:35 | 10 |
| I don't know where you are looking it up but Caesar simply classified
the Druids of Gaul and Britain as religious ministers of the Celts.
They of course had to be eliminated when Christianity spread thru the
area. The classification of devil worshippers was applied to the early
christians.
There is a order of druidry in England and this Country but it is a
charitable organization. Tree worship shouldn't be knocked unless
you've tried it.
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| 37.436 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 15 1994 16:55 | 1 |
| Bill, don't get wierd on us now.
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| 37.437 | Tourney stretch run | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Mar 03 1995 10:58 | 15 |
| 37.438 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Fri Mar 03 1995 11:37 | 4 |
|
They'll be lucky to get a #4, Mike. They gots one more loss a-coming.
brews
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| 37.439 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Mar 03 1995 12:26 | 1 |
| 37.440 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same... | Sat Mar 04 1995 13:50 | 5 |
| 37.441 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Mar 06 1995 09:36 | 1 |
| 37.442 | Final 4 bound, baby! | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Mar 13 1995 10:55 | 11 |
| 37.443 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Mon Mar 13 1995 12:23 | 2 |
|
and I hit it right on wif my prediction!!, baby!
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| 37.444 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same... | Wed Mar 15 1995 07:46 | 9 |
| 37.445 | Come on Mike, root for the Ducks! ;^) | NWD002::JOYNER_GL | Did I do that? | Wed Mar 15 1995 13:43 | 5 |
| Oregon is continuing it's outstanding year in sports by making the
tourny for the first time in 30-something years. Let's see if they can
win the first game Thursday against Texas. I'll be rootin' for 'em!
Glen.
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| 37.446 | PAC is tough this year | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Mar 15 1995 13:51 | 1 |
| 37.447 | PAC-10 starts off the NCAA in the usual manner | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass to the Final Four! | Thu Mar 16 1995 15:26 | 5 |
| So much for that prediction, Mike.
FINAL SCORE: Maimi (Ohio) 71, Arizona 62
NAZZ
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| 37.448 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Mar 16 1995 15:47 | 2 |
| 37.449 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Fri Mar 24 1995 11:16 | 7 |
| 37.450 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Mar 24 1995 11:53 | 8 |
|
>> Mario's line was 39min, 16pts, 4asts, 8rebs. Not too bad for being
>> double and triple teamed all night (which they couldn't do if ASU had
>> an outside threat).
Not bad numbers but not super and certainly much less than ASU needed.
The double and triple teaming must have happened after CBS cutaway
because from what I saw Bennett was just up against superior talent.
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| 37.451 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Fri Mar 24 1995 11:59 | 5 |
| 37.452 | Maybe tonight I'll try to stay awake | AKOCOA::BREEN | The roar of the paint | Fri Mar 24 1995 12:03 | 2 |
| How did Antoine Walker look,do? Pitino hadn't used him much prior to
lastnight and I didn't stay up for either game.
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| 37.453 | Great job, Bruins! | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 12:35 | 2 |
| 37.454 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | bumhiem, lappas...idiots | Tue Apr 04 1995 14:09 | 5 |
| > Congrats to the best team in the land from the toughest conference in
> the land!
UCLA did a great job and deserves to be called the best in the country.
But the rest of the Pac10 lived down to its reputation.
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| 37.455 | home o' the reigning choke king | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Apr 04 1995 14:35 | 6 |
| > Congrats to the best team in the land from the toughest conference in
> the land!
And this from a guy who lives in Arizona.
TTom
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| 37.456 | all that matters, it was a good year | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:10 | 1 |
| 37.457 | devilish | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:18 | 3 |
| You mean the team that you don't go watch but nonetheless claim as yours?
TTom
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| 37.458 | "Home Court" advantage didn't hurt the Bruins | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:26 | 20 |
| Although it was a well officiated game and well played by UCLA much of
their success did depend on the officials interpretations fitting in
with UCLA strategy. What was virtually a home court for the Bruins
obviously didn't hurt.
I happen to agree with the way officials called the game but two areas
were judged in UCLA's favor (this is only second half viewing):
Zidek used the Wooden patented method of two hands up
vertically to stop Corliss and when Corliss went into the hands no
whistle was blown (a lot of "good" no whistles).
Bailey especially among others was very agressive on the
offensive boards and there were several no calls (over the back) (not)
made.
The Arkansas attempt to draw offensive charges also went by
the boards.
In another venue with different officials UCLA would have been made to
adapt and Zidek especially would be given the Camby treatment(Ryan was
at it again in glove - did he see the UMass - OSU game?)
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| 37.459 | RE: .458 and Zidek | IMBETR::DUPREZ | | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:39 | 19 |
|
What Zidek was doing was perfect, and he should never
be called for it. It's called the "principle of
verticality". The defensive player is entitled to the
space directly above him. I'm sure the explanation is
a little more detailed than that, but that's the gist of
it.
Even after a stinker of a shooting day on his part (every
day is a bad shooting day for me), I'm still a big Corliss
Williamson fan.
It was pretty refreshing to sit down, watch a *big* basketball
game, and have it cleanly decided without too much controversy
about the refereeing. There was absolutely no doubt as to who
the better team was, especially given that UCLA didn't have
their starting point guard.
Roland
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| 37.460 | nice filters you have there | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:51 | 1 |
| 37.461 | This May Tell the Story | WREATH::SCOPA | | Tue Apr 04 1995 17:23 | 1 |
| Get this....UCLA attempted 7 treys.......Arkansas attempted 28.
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| 37.462 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 18:01 | 4 |
| 37.463 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | bumhiem, lappas...idiots | Wed Apr 05 1995 12:35 | 6 |
| > -< This May Tell the Story >-
> Get this....UCLA attempted 7 treys.......Arkansas attempted 28.
That, and the fact that Corliss Williamson sucked.
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| 37.464 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Fri Aug 04 1995 14:41 | 17 |
| 37.465 | sure? | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Fri Aug 04 1995 15:05 | 7 |
| > ASU was picked to finish 9th in the PAC this season, ...
By whom? You wouldn't be sandbaggin us there, Mike, now would you?
Who's picked to win the PAC?
TTom
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| 37.466 | ASU has a tough schedule! | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Fri Aug 04 1995 16:18 | 3 |
| 37.467 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Fri Aug 04 1995 17:07 | 13 |
| > Everyone seems to think that
> Robinson has restored USC to glory.
He's done a great job of recruiting the last couple of years. But there
are lingering stories about some of the recruits and maybe USC being
under investigation. The rumor is that one or more recruits paid
other people to take the SAT test and then signed their name at the bottom.
Who knows how all of this will shake out.
USC has the talent but so far it hasn't translated into restored glory.
Keith
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| 37.468 | at least the offense is pretty good | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Tue Sep 05 1995 13:14 | 8 |
| 37.469 | ASU was the '75 MNC | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Mon Oct 16 1995 12:34 | 5 |
| 37.470 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Oct 16 1995 12:37 | 5 |
| > In celebration of the 20th anniversary of being robbed of the MNC, the
> '75 team had a reunion with Coach Kush. This year's Droods dumped
> their old WAC nemesis in the process, BYU.
Unless you think BYU was deserving of their title, ASU was a deserving #2.
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| 37.471 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | Cleveland Indians are king, Eddie Murray is gawd... | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:02 | 4 |
| > In celebration of the 20th anniversary of being robbed of the MNC, the
> '75 team had a reunion with Coach Kush.
How many of them did he hit?
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| 37.472 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:08 | 7 |
| 37.473 | | GENRAL::WADE | Ah'm Yo Huckleberry... | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:18 | 5 |
|
Kush is lucky one of his *men* didn't crappie flop his skinny
little butt.
Claybone
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| 37.474 | and a question | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:39 | 13 |
| > ASU was the only undefeated team in '75 and should've been the champs.
Papa Joe and Penn St used to sing this tired litany until he bellied up
to the bar and actually won one.
> Kush hit all of them. If you've played football and was never hit by
> the coach, your team probably was just as lousy and unsuccessful (i.e.,
> losers). It takes men to play a men's game.
I guess beating kids is a time honored tradition out there. So Mike, are
your kids losers or do you beat 'em?
TTom
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| 37.475 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:45 | 7 |
| 37.476 | Real men don't need to hit | CSLALL::BRULE | you killed freakin Larry! | Mon Oct 16 1995 14:37 | 11 |
| > Kush hit all of them. If you've played football and was never hit by
> the coach, your team probably was just as lousy and unsuccessful i.e.,
> losers. It takes men to play a men's game.
THIS IS TOTAL AND COMPLETE BS. A coach (or any adult) that has to rely
on hitting anyone to get there message across is a loser. You can yell
and scream at people but to rely on physical violence proves to me that
this person is not a good coach. If my college coach punched me I would
have hit him back. Kush was a loser.
Mike
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| 37.477 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Oct 16 1995 15:44 | 5 |
| > ASU was the only undefeated team in '75 and should've been the champs.
So then you do think BYU earned its national title as well.
'75 ASU didn't play anyone until they won in the Fiesta Bowl.
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| 37.478 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Mon Oct 16 1995 16:43 | 4 |
| 37.479 | another scandal at ASU | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Mar 06 1996 18:27 | 19 |
| 37.480 | Unbelievable!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Mar 07 1996 09:43 | 10 |
| Mike,
I heard this in a blurb on ESPN. Unbelievable!~
As for having assistant coaches that relate to the players, that has been
a trend for quite a while at most places. Hail, even Dean has Phil Ford
on the bench, although his primary role seems to be placating Vince
Carter about why he's on the bench.
TTom
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| 37.481 | don't hear about this stuff at Duke, UNC, etc., | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Mar 07 1996 11:32 | 6 |
| 37.482 | update on ASU basketball | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Mar 20 1996 15:50 | 17 |
| 37.483 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove | Wed Mar 20 1996 16:06 | 4 |
|
>> The women should have equal humiliation.
And this would accomplish exactly what?
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| 37.484 | Prop48? | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 20 1996 16:11 | 6 |
| Mike,
Aren't these guys - at least some of 'em - on the Prop48 or whatever
program?
TTom
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| 37.485 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Mar 20 1996 19:57 | 12 |
| 37.486 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove | Thu Mar 21 1996 13:51 | 18 |
|
>> They receive the same blemish that the players now live with, the
>> humiliation from the media, and possible school rejection. This is an
>> equal rights society and in too many cases like this the males receive
>> 100% of the blemishes.
In this case the males were monumentally stupid and are paying the
price. Give me about twenty pounds of diced onions and I might be
able to work up a tear for 'em. The players had their fun, got caught
and are paying the price. Too bad. Publishing the girls names wouldn't
get them tossed out of school. They ain't in school and they don't ex-
actly sound like Radcliffe material. It might cause them some humil-
iation but I'd hardly call that justice. The best thing that could
happen is that someone in the future will be faced with a similar
situation and remember these three clowns from ASU and then do the
right thing. It's unfortunate but the players put themselves in that
situation. Of course, it's always easier to blame someone else.
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| 37.487 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Mar 21 1996 14:08 | 10 |
| 37.488 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove | Thu Mar 21 1996 16:25 | 11 |
| >> Sure the players were stupid, but their mates were too.
So they should be made to wear the scarlet letter? These
players aren't 'sacrificial lambs'. You might argue that
the legal charges being dropped should get the same amount
of press as the charges being brought but these guys broke
several sets of rules and now it's up to the university
to determine the extent of their punishment. Humiliating
a couple of girls isn't going to serve anyone. That's just
being vindictive.
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| 37.489 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Mar 21 1996 17:31 | 2 |
| 37.490 | As always, public education is the answer | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Pride of Steel | Thu Mar 21 1996 17:45 | 17 |
|
> Then what should be done to make sure the girls don't make the same
> mistake again as well?
Perhaps a public relations campaign on the vices of hanging around
Arizona State athletes. I'd suggest a motto of "Keep Your Daughters
'way from the Droods!"
On a related note, I saw where Nebraska Marty's bud, the totally
completely reformed, retrained and refitted Christian Peter got
hisself into another sexual scrape, and pleaded co contest (nolo
contendre, or maybe nolo comprende, is apparently the Husker fight
song now). Of course Peter has no remaining eligibility, so it's
okay for Dr. Tom to morally condemn him...)
glenn
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| 37.491 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Mar 21 1996 21:26 | 2 |
| 37.491 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Jul 31 1996 20:47 | 10 |
| 37.492 | How many years in a row now Mikey? ;-) | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Hardball, good ol' country | Thu Aug 01 1996 09:47 | 11 |
|
> Today was media day for the PAC in L.A. preseason picks of note are:
>
> 1. USC
> 2. ASU
Which only means that once again ASU will fail to meet
ex-pec-torations...
glenn
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| 37.493 | | NQOS01::nqsrv240.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Thu Aug 01 1996 13:40 | 2 |
| Nah, that's UA, Glenn. ASU has done better than expectorated the last
couple of years.
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| 37.494 | Arnie the Genius picks ASU | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Fri Sep 20 1996 15:11 | 15 |
| 37.495 | Pac-10 has no homefield "pits"... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 20 1996 15:17 | 9 |
| 37.496 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Fri Sep 20 1996 15:31 | 2 |
| 37.497 | keep your optimism | THEMAX::JACKSON | The lights are dimming | Fri Sep 20 1996 18:49 | 9 |
| 37.498 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Fri Sep 20 1996 20:15 | 3 |
| 37.499 | | NQOS01::nqsrv115.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Sat Sep 21 1996 15:24 | 1 |
| 37.500 | DROOD snarf | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Sat Sep 21 1996 19:03 | 2 |
| 37.501 | | NQOS01::nqsrv144.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Sat Sep 21 1996 22:53 | 3 |
| 37.502 | YES!!!! | OUTSRC::16.65.144.36::ALLEMANG | | Sun Sep 22 1996 04:41 | 12 |
| 37.503 | | tun-10.imc.das.dec.com::dfaust | Dennis Faust | Sun Sep 22 1996 07:15 | 34 |
| 37.504 | | NQOS01::nqsrv323.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 23 1996 14:58 | 20 |
| 37.505 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Sep 23 1996 15:16 | 17 |
| 37.506 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Mon Sep 23 1996 15:25 | 13 |
| 37.507 | nice try | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Sep 23 1996 15:42 | 14 |
| 37.508 | | NQOS01::nqsrv211.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 23 1996 16:00 | 10 |
| 37.509 | | CSC32::MACGREGOR | Colorado: the TRUE mid-west | Mon Sep 23 1996 16:12 | 10 |
| 37.510 | | NQOS01::nqsrv213.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 23 1996 16:39 | 6 |
| 37.511 | | SMART2::CHILDS | | Mon Sep 23 1996 17:47 | 9 |
| 37.512 | The spin doctah | BSS::MENDEZ | | Mon Sep 23 1996 17:49 | 6 |
| 37.513 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | PM&D Tools Support | Mon Sep 23 1996 17:55 | 3 |
| 37.514 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Sep 23 1996 20:16 | 13 |
| 37.515 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Sep 24 1996 08:10 | 14 |
| 37.516 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Tue Sep 24 1996 11:54 | 5 |
| 37.517 | he's a genius | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Tue Sep 24 1996 11:56 | 1 |
| 37.518 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Sep 24 1996 14:46 | 6 |
| 37.519 | wow! 3 days later ans he's still whinning | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Tue Sep 24 1996 15:20 | 5 |
| 37.520 | PAC-10 players of the week | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Wed Sep 25 1996 14:11 | 6 |
| 37.521 | go figure | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Sep 30 1996 13:10 | 3 |
| 37.522 | | NQOS01::nqsrv211.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Sep 30 1996 20:03 | 9 |
| 37.524 | | NQOS01::nqsrv125.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Oct 07 1996 13:56 | 5 |
| 37.525 | how bout them Broncos | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round (Racing). | Mon Oct 07 1996 13:59 | 163 |
| 37.526 | GO DROODS! | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 13:51 | 33 |
| 37.527 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Tommy knows Steeler respect. | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:02 | 8 |
| 37.528 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:04 | 6 |
| 37.529 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:06 | 7 |
| 37.530 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | I'm a punk | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:08 | 14 |
| 37.531 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:11 | 11 |
| 37.532 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:16 | 18 |
| 37.533 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:18 | 5 |
| 37.534 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | I'm a punk | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:24 | 14 |
| 37.535 | in the mix | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:27 | 14 |
| 37.536 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:35 | 24 |
| 37.537 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Tommy knows Steeler respect. | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:39 | 5 |
| 37.538 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:40 | 17 |
| 37.539 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 14:44 | 14 |
| 37.540 | how I see 'em | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:06 | 17 |
| 37.541 | ...say the networks... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:08 | 9 |
| 37.542 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:08 | 3 |
| 37.543 | IMHO | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:12 | 7 |
| 37.544 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:14 | 10 |
| 37.545 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:14 | 3 |
| 37.546 | we'll know after Nov. 30 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:18 | 11 |
| 37.547 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Tommy knows Steeler respect. | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:20 | 7 |
| 37.548 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:21 | 3 |
| 37.549 | | NQOS01::nqsrv128.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:27 | 4 |
| 37.550 | | PTOSS1::SCHRAMME | Eric Schramm (412)829-0710 | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:29 | 8 |
| 37.551 | | NQOS01::nqsrv128.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:35 | 6 |
| 37.552 | any other stuff I'll put in the Big East note... | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:35 | 12 |
| 37.553 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:36 | 1 |
| 37.554 | re: this and that and them, too | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:51 | 20 |
| 37.555 | | NQOS01::nqsrv128.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Oct 21 1996 15:58 | 5 |
| 37.556 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 16:03 | 1 |
| 37.557 | | VMSNET::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Oct 21 1996 16:10 | 9 |
| 37.558 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Mon Oct 21 1996 16:16 | 3 |
| 37.559 | could happen but won't | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 16:16 | 14 |
| 37.560 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Oct 21 1996 16:56 | 2 |
| 37.561 | take the time to vote | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 17:01 | 16 |
| 37.562 | Nobody Would Play Them | YIELD::BARBIERI | | Mon Oct 21 1996 19:16 | 10 |
| 37.563 | it may be slim and none, but there's still a chance | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 21:57 | 2 |
| 37.564 | bring back the late '70s, early '80s run | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Oct 21 1996 22:13 | 19 |
| 37.565 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Tue Oct 22 1996 00:51 | 3 |
| 37.566 | GO DROODS! 9-0 for first time since 1982! | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Nov 04 1996 11:27 | 11 |
| 37.567 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Wed Nov 06 1996 17:01 | 2 |
| 37.568 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Thu Nov 07 1996 09:33 | 8 |
| 37.569 | what the hail? | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Thu Nov 07 1996 10:02 | 10 |
| 37.570 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Thu Nov 07 1996 10:08 | 7 |
| 37.571 | Maybe some kind of reprimand more appropriate | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Welcome back, NBA! | Thu Nov 07 1996 10:21 | 11 |
| 37.572 | why not | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Thu Nov 07 1996 10:23 | 6 |
| 37.573 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Thu Nov 07 1996 14:20 | 8 |
| 37.574 | Go Devils | OUTSRC::16.65.144.36::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 11 1996 10:48 | 18 |
| 37.575 | one more and then,... | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 11 1996 10:56 | 10 |
| 37.576 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Nov 11 1996 11:23 | 11 |
| 37.577 | I'll be on the same wagon, too. | OUTSRC::16.65.144.36::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 11 1996 11:31 | 8 |
| 37.578 | redemption | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 11 1996 11:39 | 10 |
| 37.579 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Nov 11 1996 12:01 | 1 |
| 37.580 | :) | OUTSRC::16.65.144.36::ALLEMANG | | Mon Nov 11 1996 12:39 | 5 |
| 37.581 | | NQOS01::nqsrv135.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Mon Nov 11 1996 12:55 | 6 |
| 37.582 | nuff said | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 11 1996 12:58 | 2 |
| 37.583 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Mon Nov 11 1996 14:03 | 9 |
| 37.584 | | AD::HEATH | The albatross and whales they are my brother | Tue Nov 12 1996 06:33 | 8 |
| 37.585 | PAC-10 Football | OUTSRC::16.65.144.36::ALLEMANG | | Tue Nov 12 1996 09:36 | 21 |
| 37.586 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Tue Nov 12 1996 10:28 | 19 |
| 37.587 | the fix | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 12 1996 10:31 | 11 |
| 37.588 | Tomey & the Mafia | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Tue Nov 12 1996 10:33 | 2 |
| 37.589 | the plot thickens | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 12 1996 10:37 | 8 |
| 37.590 | ASU's State Press | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Nov 27 1996 11:33 | 6 |
| 37.591 | Rose Bowl | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Nov 27 1996 11:35 | 31 |
| 37.592 | check out our WWW page! | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Tue Dec 03 1996 00:09 | 7 |
| 37.593 | gotsta know | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 10:48 | 11 |
| 37.594 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Tue Dec 03 1996 13:34 | 8 |
| 37.595 | fading gator | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 13:38 | 4 |
| 37.596 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Just cover, baby! | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:24 | 5 |
| 37.597 | I suppose | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:27 | 9 |
| 37.598 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Just cover, baby! | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:31 | 6 |
| 37.599 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:51 | 12 |
| 37.600 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:06 | 9 |
| 37.601 | doubt it, but it could happen | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:09 | 9 |
| 37.602 | I'm sure there's more, but not many | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:21 | 11 |
| 37.603 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | PM&D PSE Tools Support | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:21 | 2 |
| 37.604 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Just cover, baby! | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:24 | 2 |
| 37.605 | I knew there was more, but not that many | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Tue Dec 03 1996 16:08 | 6 |
| 37.606 | Two differant approaches | CSLALL::BRULE | Scooter Macgruder rules | Tue Dec 03 1996 16:08 | 14 |
| 37.607 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 04 1996 10:49 | 2 |
| 37.608 | | NQOS01::nqsrv140.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | Pee Wee Herman's bodydouble | Mon Dec 09 1996 13:19 | 7 |
| 37.609 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Mon Dec 09 1996 13:28 | 2 |
| 37.610 | A Former Packer | YIELD::BARBIERI | | Mon Dec 09 1996 16:38 | 3 |
| 37.611 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Just cover, baby! | Mon Dec 09 1996 16:45 | 4 |
| 37.612 | diff'rent trend | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 10 1996 09:53 | 11 |
| 37.613 | we don't need no steenkin' facts! | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Tue Dec 10 1996 10:22 | 9 |
| 37.614 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 11 1996 10:47 | 13 |
| 37.615 | go dog | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 11 1996 11:04 | 10 |
| 37.616 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Wed Dec 11 1996 11:10 | 12 |
| 37.617 | reserved | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 11 1996 11:21 | 5 |
| 37.618 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 11 1996 11:27 | 9 |
| 37.619 | that should help | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 11 1996 11:30 | 7 |
| 37.620 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Wed Dec 11 1996 12:03 | 8 |
| 37.621 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 11 1996 12:18 | 2 |
| 37.622 | ASU's Athletic Dept. site | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 11 1996 18:01 | 1 |
| 37.623 | ASU - OSU history | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Wed Dec 11 1996 18:02 | 4 |
| 37.624 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Thu Dec 12 1996 16:22 | 4 |
| 37.625 | Conference WWW page | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Thu Dec 12 1996 16:36 | 1 |
| 37.626 | ASU owned the WAC | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Thu Dec 12 1996 17:29 | 31 |
| 37.627 | well-deserved | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Fri Dec 13 1996 10:52 | 1 |
| 37.628 | Rose Bowl... | CSC32::M_HENDERSON | Warren Report = Fiction | Thu Jan 02 1997 10:41 | 9 |
| 37.629 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Chad Brown da main! | Thu Jan 02 1997 10:45 | 13 |
| 37.630 | ughest | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:06 | 8 |
| 37.631 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:12 | 10 |
| 37.632 | not a TD | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:15 | 9 |
| 37.633 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:23 | 10 |
| 37.634 | | MKOTS3::16.23.144.11::Long | taxation without representation | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:35 | 6 |
| 37.635 | some bad but most good | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:41 | 17 |
| 37.636 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:48 | 5 |
| 37.637 | College football officiating as bad as it gets | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Chad Brown da main! | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:53 | 17 |
| 37.638 | | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:53 | 6 |
| 37.639 | ready to move on | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:54 | 6 |
| 37.640 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 11:56 | 3 |
| 37.641 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | NEW YORK YANKEES WORLD CHAMPS | Thu Jan 02 1997 12:05 | 13 |
| 37.642 | a joke? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 12:06 | 6 |
| 37.643 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Thu Jan 02 1997 12:20 | 11 |
| 37.644 | timing | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 12:23 | 12 |
| 37.645 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 13:10 | 9 |
| 37.646 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Thu Jan 02 1997 13:14 | 14 |
| 37.647 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Thu Jan 02 1997 13:43 | 6 |
| 37.648 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Kazaam's my man | Thu Jan 02 1997 14:50 | 11 |
| 37.649 | The Rose Bowl | PHXSS1::16.65.144.36::Allemang | | Fri Jan 03 1997 11:59 | 48 |
| 37.650 | beeuh heeuh | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Jan 03 1997 12:01 | 6 |
| 37.651 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Fri Jan 03 1997 15:51 | 23 |
| 37.652 | Springs | YIELD::BARBIERI | | Sun Jan 05 1997 16:50 | 8 |
| 37.653 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Mon Jan 06 1997 08:48 | 7 |
| 37.654 | still the best bowl game this year | PHXSS1::HEISER | R.I.O.T. | Mon Jan 06 1997 10:29 | 2 |
| 37.655 | the Nike group | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri Feb 14 1997 14:41 | 15 |
| ASU is about to become the next school to have uniforms by Nike.
They're paying the school ~$1M for the right.
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| 37.656 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri Mar 14 1997 11:05 | 1 |
| Something is definitely wrong when the PAC goes 3-0 on opening night.
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