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    Well, let me be the first here, seeing how I was the last in the 91-92
    version.
    
    I suffered through a real terrible varsity football season. The
    Panthers of David Prouty went through an 0-9-1 record. This is the
    first time ever that a Prouty football team has ever gone winless. In
    defense of our team (and myself ;^)), we were a very young team, only
    having 3 seniors. We started 3 sophmores on the offensive line and size
    was a definite problem. We were always smaller than our opponents. On
    the bright side, the JV team won 7 and lost 2. Our losses were 19-14 to
    Northbridge and 20-18 to Oxford. We outscored our opponents 179-79. So
    I guess there is hope for the future.
    
    	How did your school affiliations do this past fall. Jim Groves need
    not reply ;^).... Just kidding Jim. Auburn kicked our proverbial butts
    this season.
    
    
    Later.................Coach

    
    Yabbut major bigtime local news over the weekend and IMO, it might even
    make a mention in the upcoming issue of SI!
    
    In girls track - 
    
    Wachusett regional high school beat Shrewsbury high school in a dual
    meet over the weekend 44-42.  bfd right?
    
    Well, Shrewsbury just happened to have one of the longest ever winning
    record in all of high school sports with their girl's track team.  The
    last time they lost was in May, 1977 to Leominster HS at an outdoor
    meet.  Indoors, the girls last dual meet loss was *never*, having been 
    started in 1979!  Folks, we're only talking about 269 consecutive 
    victories!
    
    For you trivial affectionado's, the all-time record is recognized to be
    292 consecutive victories by the Amherst (N.Y.) High Volleyball team.
    (however, we all know that volleyball's not a sport anyway but that's
    another note!)
    
    Key to Wachusetts victory was the effort of junior Kelly Runstrom in
    the 1,000 yd. run.  KR ran the race of her career finishing 2nd behind
    her teammate Abby Lorge.  Had she finished 3rd, Shrewsbury would have
    won the meet instead.  KR edged the Shrewsbury by "three inches, if
    that" according to the Shrewsbury coach,  Nick DiPilato.
    
    I remain,
    yer occasional reporter,
    Jimmy Olsen_for_Kev
    

    Danke Kev,
    As long as you remember that anythang west of 495 is really junior
    high.
    
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    re: west of 495 = Jr. High
    
    I guess that makes the 3 Indoor State Championships and the 3 Outdoor
    State Championships they won in the lasted 16 years even more sweet.
    No?
    
    and, based on what I said in another note, I remain
    wanting those jr. hi kids away from me!  ;^)
    Kev
    

I can just see these 8th grade bullies picking ol' (or should that be
lil') Kev up over their haids and tossing him into the dumpster.

I remember in 8th grade there were already a couple of kids ready to
shave (face AND back) and I can see that those were the type of testosterone
filled youth who would toss a sophmore dwa..., er, uh, gym teacher
into the dumpster.....

Wow!

'SAw

    
    a little bit more on that Wachusetts - Shrewsbury girls track stuff.
    
    When they said dual meetis I didn't think this is what they meant:
    
    Wachusett's Corrine Cassidy won the 50 and 300.  She also holds the
    fastest times in the CONFERENCE for the:
    
    			45 yd. dash (5.9)
    			50 yd. dash (6.4)
    			300 yd. dash(40.3)
    
    on the other hand, Shrewsbury's Johanna Grochowalski holds the fastest
    conference times in the following events:
    
    			600 yd. (1:35.6)
    		      1,000 yd. (2:57.6)
    		       Mile     (5:41.9)
    		      2 Mile    (12:17.1)
    
    
    That sort of sews up the point of a dual meet?  Two young ladies?
    
    Oh yeah, before the nit-Md.'s strike, here are the other Best
    Performances:
    
    		Shot Put - Andrea Figueras, Shrewsbury (33-5)
    		45yd High Hurdles - Andrea Figueras, Shrewsbury (6.6)
    		50yd High Hurdles - Andrea Figueras, Shrewsbuury(7.1)
    		Mile Relay -  Shrewsbury (4:35.5)
    
    		High Jump - tie - Kara Migliorelli, Wachusett (5-2)
    				Joan Kieza, No. Middlesex
    
    
    Folks, there are 8 teams in this conference.
    
    !!!!!!!
    
    
    I remain,
    reporting on pubescent wimmen!
    Kev
    
    

      The girls basketball team from my old high school here in Colorado
    Springs is ranked 22nd in the nation.  Doherty High Spartans!
    
      I never thought that would happen.  They are defending state and are
    undefeated thus  far.  Blew away a cross town rival the other night,
    83-24.   Congrats!
    
      Tim

    
    This is definitely shake your head in disbelief stuff!
    
    The Mass. State Basketball Officials Association is boycotting all
    Notre Dame Prep (HS near Fitchburg) boys and girls BBall games to
    protest the schools decision to use certified, unpaid volunteer
    referees for their home games instead of the paid, board approved
    officials so they can save money.
    
    The school is within it's legal right since the "blue book" (MIAA's
    rule book) says that board officials are "recommended" not "required"
    
    Naturally the MSBOA say the rules are being interpreted differently and
    they're boycotting (ie not ref'ing) any ND away game too!
    
    Now, a little bit about ND.  The student population is 60 and they have
    had a tough last 3 years.  Population went from 180 to 47, faculty
    salary budget went from $385,000 to $120,000.  All 12 teachers have
    taken severe pay cuts.
    
    They school participates in 7 sports and the cost to the school for
    hiring officials was $6,500 per year (naturally, this is for a few
    hours work each night) while the have some full-time teachers making
    only $7,500 per year.  I believe in Basketball, each referee (2) gets
    $47 per game.
    
    This isn't a bash on individuals who referee (billg) but it sure sounds
    like the organization (union?) could use a little sensitivity training.
    
    I remain,
    Jimmy Olsen_for_Kev
    

    
    
    	Well, I have heard of the situation and it just so happens that
    a past member of my board is the IAABO state president.  IAABO is the
    ruling or officiating body that the MIAA uses to officiate HS
    basketball in MA.
    
    	From what I've heard, ND is not using unpaid certified (meaning
    IAABO certified) officials but instead are using anyone they feel
    qualified.  I could be wrong, but I personally don't see any problem
    if some officials which to donate their time doing a game.  In fact,
    my board donates a whole tournament at the beginning and end of each
    year!  So I don't see the problem using unpaid IAABO officials.
    
    	Again, from what I've heard, ND is in a cruch and doesn't want
    to have to pay the normal fee which is set by the MIAA at 47.00 per
    official, per HS varsity game.
    
    	It is true that IAABO will boycott all ND games.  This is not so
    much out of wanting to kill ND, but if this situation is allowed to
    exist, then other schools will certainly follow claiming hardship
    and wanting either a drop in the fee or use other officials that
    might work for free or less.  Secondly, if ND plays an away game and
    that school is using IAABO officials and then on the return trip to
    ND they don't, wouldn't you as a coach feel a little slighted?  The
    quality of officials drops drastically (IAABO has strick rules and
    regulations on folks becomming and staying certified) when using
    non-certified officials.
    
>    They school participates in 7 sports and the cost to the school for
    hiring officials was $6,500 per year (naturally, this is for a few
    hours work each night) while the have some full-time teachers making
    only $7,500 per year.  I believe in Basketball, each referee (2) gets
>    $47 per game.
    
    You may see it as a few hours each night, but I can assure you that
    for a typical HS varsity game, I usually spend 4 hours in travel, and
    the game.  And, 4 hours is not uncommon.  For a 7:30 start, I usually
    have to leave by 6:00 and rarely make it home before 10:00.  All the
    fans see are the 32 minutes of game time and never take into
    consideration all the travel and preparation that goes into doing a
    game.
    
    As for the 6.5K figure, that must take into consideration all sports.
    No way could a school be spending 6.5K on basketball officials for
    one sport.  Typical HS schedule is 20-25 games at say 100 per game.
    Even if you count JV officials (33 per official x 2 per game) that 
    still only comes out to around 3.5-4K.
    
    If ND plays JV games, maybe they should cancel the JV and just
    concentrate on the varsity.  I also know of a private christian school
    here in SP that plays in their own league which includes some teams
    in Conn. and they only pay the JV rate.  Appears that they don't belong
    to the MIAA, but no one from our board is refusing to do their games
    because of the JV rate instead of the full varsity rate.
    
    
    	bill..g.
    

    
    The article in the Woostah paper said that ND is using "certified"
    officials.  Of course they didn't mention certified by whom either.
    Bill, you are right about the drop in quality, it was mentioned
    by an opposing coach that those they were using weren't as competent
    as board-cert'd but they tried hard.  He had no real complaints.
    
    Both the boys team and the girls team are 3-8 this year so perhaps if
    they have a lousy team and the other team has a fairly easy time
    winning, what good would complaining do?  One coach said something like
    as long as my players weren't in imminemt danger, they'd play.
    
    Wasn't trying to imply $47/game to be excessive, nor disregard travel
    etc. either. ND said somethink like "look, we take in a $80 gate per
    game, the score is 40-7. It doesn't make sense to pay $94."  IMO, taken
    in context with the overall financial shape of the school, I agree.
    Yeah, the $6,500 per year is all sports.
    
    The article did mention the possibility that many other schools could
    follow the ND lead.  However, it also said that the officials are a
    monopoly and that they are dictating that you have to use them.
    
    I guess as long as 'ninj's favorite organization, the MIAA, allows
    stuff like this, conflict is inevitable.
    
    I remain,
    offering to fax ya a copy, if interested
    Kev
    

Why doesn't ND just play in some town-rec league or some lower cost alternative?

I agree with Bill...If you can't foot the bill for the proper officials then
drop out of the league. 

Metz who favors player participation fees to cover this sort of thing

    Metz,
    
    Mebbe you don't understand the definition of "proper officials".  They
    way I see it, first ya gotta be "certified" (meets requirements) and
    then ya have the OPTION of joining the "union".
    
    I dunno what the tuition is but imo, having a official "cert'd' ,meets
    the minimum requirements.  Granted, there is a scale of expertise but
    if'n you meet the minimum qual's, you meet the qualifications.
    
    Kev
    

    I second the notion of playing as a "club" rather than an official high 
    school sport.  There are many rec leagues available they could join,
    and the refs fee is usually around $15-$20 per game.  You oftern must
    guarantee the refs two games a night, but that would save the school
    a lot of money.
    
    NAZZ

    
    
    	Well, I asked my board's VP on Friday about this situation and he
    reiterated that ND was NOT using IAABO certified officials, or for
    that matter, any 'certified' official.  What has been told to me is
    that Uncle Joe and the janitor got their chance to officiate in some
    of these games.  This then leads me back to the visiting coach.  If it
    were you, I doubt that you would like it to much if the guy who showed
    you the toilet was now going to work your game.
    
    	BTW, IAABO does have a lock here in the NE, but I really don't
    consider it a union.  Most of the officials in the NE are IAABO 
    officials and it just so happens that the MIAA here in Mass.
    'recommends' thats schools use IAABO officials.
    
    	Now, if ND is that bad (nothing wrong with being bad, cause most
    HS sports are still based upon competing first and winning second)
    they should opt to possibly form their own league with some other 
    schools and drop out of the MIAA.  Like I said before, my son attends
    a Christian school here in Springfield which plays in a league made
    up of other Christian schools and they don't fall under the MIAA, thus
    they can charge less.  Now in that case, they have come to our board
    and we have provided them with officials at the reduced rate.  So,
    it's not a tight as it seems.  Maybe more of the problem has to deal
    with the MIAA and not really the officials.  I know lots of guys that
    prefer getting 66.00 (2 easy games) instead of 33.00 or 47.00 for
    a night.  Although the competition isn't nearly as good, the money
    is better for the time you put in, plus the kids tend to be far more
    'sportsmanlike' than at the public schools.
    
    bill..g.
    

>    were you, I doubt that you would like it to much if the guy who showed
>    you the toilet was now going to work your game.
    
I thought showing the visiting coach the toilet was the referee's duty.


8^)

    
    
>I thought showing the visiting coach the toilet was the referee's duty.
    
    Nah, the janitor usually shows us the toilet!  Really, you wouldn't
    believe some of the places we have to dress!!
    
    bill..g.
    

>    Nah, the janitor usually shows us the toilet!  Really, you wouldn't
>    believe some of the places we have to dress!!
>    
>    bill..g.


Kinda like workin' here, eh?  8^)    

    
    Thanks bill....g for a most excellent "other side of the coin"
    perspective.  Interesting that there are now 2 totally different
    versions of they are/they ain't using "certified" officials.
    
    IMO, only because I know newspaper's jobs are to sell papers first, and
    report news second will I believe your storey as da troof!
    
    I remain,
    a former *custodian*, NOT a janitor!
    Kev
    

    
     Two sport star Zack McCall of Fitchburg,Mass has chosen to play 
    football at Syracuse. McCall had numerous football and basketball
    scholarship offers.
    
    
     Greg Comella of Xaverian has committed to Stanford. In a press
    conference, Bill Walsh called the Massachusetts running back the
    best high school footbal player in the country.

    
    re: Kev
    
    	Thanks, but that is simply what I have heard.  For all I know,
    what my board executives have told us might be stretching it.
    
    	But I still fall back on the issue that if ND wanted certified
    (IAABO) officials and couldn't pay, why not ask the local board for
    some volunteers?  They might get shot down, but then again, some 
    guys might have done the games as a goodwill gesture.
    
    	The other issue here is certification and just what does it mean.
    IAABO is a entity to its own.  They certify people who must pass a
    written test and floor exam in order to 'wear the patch'.  Each 
    board falls under the IAABO umbrella but has some specific rules
    that other IAABO boards do not.  On my board, we test everyone every
    year.  I have a written test each year just to make sure I stay 
    current.  All IAABO members are also mandated that they attend the
    new rules clinic in November or they can't work for that year.  So,
    within IAABO, they are pretty strick to how they run.  But as with
    most things, there are other groups that certify.  IAABO ususally
    only covers HS and in order to do college, you have to join a 
    college association although many college officials are also IAABO
    officials.
    
    	So, in ND's partial defense, they might be using some other 
    certified officials (but I doubt it seeing that most officials whether
    they belong to group x or y are stick pretty close together) apart
    from IAABO.
    
    	It just so happens that in Mass, the MIAA wants HS's to use IAABO
    officials because they know the calibur of official that comes from
    their ranks.
    
    
    bill..g.
    

    	Tommy, the word around Fitchburg was that Zack was going to
    Ohio State to play basketball and if you watched Fitchburg's last
    two games and the way he played you would've believed it was true.
    Fitchburg's other runner, Bobby Williams was the better back in
    the last two games.
    
    				/Don

    
    
    	Well I've come up with another 'diamond in the rough.'  The
    kids name is Shawn Smith and he is a freshman for Central HS here
    in Springfield, the same school that brought you Travis Best.
    
    	At 6'1'', Smith plays any positon.  He usually plays the point,
    but on defense, he plays underneath.  He can shoot, pass, handle the
    ball, and jump (the guy can dunk easily, and has no problem dunking
    during the game.)  He's also been to several big name camps this
    past summer and received an MVP from one of them.  A friend I was
    talking to today, happened to be talking to a friend of his that
    coaches out in CA and he had already heard of Smith!  So it appears
    that folks are becomming aware of this kid.
    
    	Although always tough Central is having some problems this year
    (they lost their first game in Western Mass in like 80+ games this
    year), they still have a decent team.  Small, but decent.  With
    Central's slightly off year, Western Mass should have a great tourney
    and 2 other inner city schools are giving eveyone fits.
    
    	Folks also have to realize had Edgar Padilla (going to UMASS)
    not elected to stay home in Puerto Rico (I believe he is playing
    or at least tried out for their National team), Central would be
    one tough cookie again.
    
    	Anyway, just remember when in 3 years, folks are talking about
    this Smith kid from Springfield Mass, that you heard it here first!
    
    bill..g.
    
    p.s. He has a great attitude, and I heard that after flunking out 
    last year, he has become an honor student this year.  Seems his family
    situation is horrible and some other folks have tried to step in and
    salvage the situation....and so far, it appears to be working.
    
    

    I saw a very interesting article in the Boston Globe this week about a
    Massconomet 12 year old girl playing varsity (girls) basketball and
    being a key contributor.
    
    Apparently as an 11 year old student manager the previous year she had
    demonstrated her ability to play and an MIAA waiver was granted.
    
    Massconomet is ranked in top 10 in EMASS
    
    Also mentioned in the article was that she had been playing junior high
    school football since the age of 10 and starring.
    
    Just thought this article was remarkable enough to post and I would be
    interested in any other reaction.
    
    Bill a newcomer to this note

    During a girls high school basketball tournament in Ohio a week or so
    ago, one of the teams posted a 105-5 victory.  They did slow down a bit
    in the second half as they had jumped out to a 60-0 halftime lead. 
    Coach claims he wasn't intentionally running the score up and he
    couldn't just tell his team to stop playing their best.

RE: 11 year old varsity player

Isn't there a limit to the number of years she is eligible?  If she plays
now, that means she will have to "retire" from HS sports at 16 years old.
Not good for scholarship possibilities.

	Every state seems to have their own rules governing eligibility, Bob.
	In New Hampshire the NHIAA passed a rule last year that made eighth
	grade, and below, students ineligible for class L (large schools)
	high school sports.  That even includes freshmen sports.  Previous
	to that middle school kids (grades 6-8) were able to tryout and
	play on the high school teams.  My daughter played JV field hockey
	when she was in eighth grade.  Up until then they had no maximum 
	number of years of eligibilty though.

	As far as I know class S, M, and I (small, medium and intermediate)
	schools in New Hampshire kids are eligible for as long as they are 
	students in the school system  (12 years or more).


	Bill

    Depends on the state.  I remember reading about a 7th grader that went
    to my high school that was the #2 singles tennis player.  I think she
    played every year, but I'm not sure.  
    
    re 105-5.  It was 71-0 before they scored.  He did clear the bench and 
    once it gets to that score, do you think the coach should say "OK, let
    them score a basket?"  I know if I'm playing, I'm trying my best to
    keep them from scoring.  And I'm making sure everyone on my team gets
    playing time and a chance to score.  Maybe the game shouldn't have been
    scheduled.  It was a playoff game, right?
    

    
    
    	The coach should be shot.  After the score was 30-0, any coach 
    worth anything would of realized that his opponents were overmatched
    and had no chance of catching up.  At that point, I would of cleared
    the bench, and at halftime asked the opposing coach if he/she wanted
    to call it a game.
    
    	Junk like this makes for bad athletics.  These coaches that always
    say stuff like what do you want me to do etc, shouldn't be coaching.
    If a coach can't evaluate his opposition after 5-10 minutes of play,
    then he/she shouldn't be coaching.
    
    bill..g.
    

�at halftime asked the opposing coach if he/she wanted
�    to call it a game.
    
    
    Is that legal?

    	105-5!  The coach any relation to Billy Tubbs?
    
    				/Don

    
    re: -2
    
    	I'm not sure how 'legal' it is, but I tell you, I would have 
    attempted it.  Since most HS games are attended by the A.D., I would
    have asked him.  Now if both coaches agree, then the game would become
    a forfiet.  I'm sure the ref's wouldn't care since they would be 
    spared a second half of agony and they would be paid for a full game.
    
    	The issue though is that no coach who is really a coach has any
    business beating a team 1xx to 5!  HS athletics is supposed to teach
    sportsmanship, and I really don't see any here.
    
    bill..g.
    

Posted from Paul Y.

Can someone perhaps clarify for him and mail him at his internet address????


'Saw

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Hi 'Saw,

I was curious about the following...could you perhaps post this in the "High
School SPorts" note in SPORTS and see if anyone can clarify?  

This morning's Boston Globe listed the Central/Western Mass. pairings for the
boys' and girls' state basketball semifinals.  Under Division 3 Girls', they
list a Boylston High School.  When I attended high school in Central Mass.
(early 70s), there was no Boylston High School per se, it was Tahanto
Regional.  Is there now a "Boylston High School", or was this a typo that
should have said West Boylston?

thanks in advance,
py


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Good to hear from ol' PY.  Hope he's not too discouraged by the Orioles 
chances thised year.

I cain't answer his question directly, but I will say that I was at Tahanto 
Regional HS for a road race Sunday (a killer 30K), and to the best of my 
recallection it was still called Tahanto Regional.

HTH

=Bob=

    Could some one post the NH Baskatball Championship results?
    
    Thanks, REK

    In the Western MA boys basketball championships lasted week, Holyoke
    knocked off Central for the title.  In what is being called one of the
    most exciting games in Western MA history, a Holyoke player hit a three
    pointer at the buzzer for the game winner.

    State HS finals this weekend at the Centrum;
    
    Boys
    
    Division 1
    Salem/New Bedford(Emass) vs St.John's/Holyoke(C/Wmass)
    
    Division 2
    Belmont/Burke(Emass)     vs Uxbridge/Waconah(C/Wmass)
    
    Division 3
    Lynn Classical/Dover-Sherborn(Emass) vs. Maynard/Smith Academy(C/Wmass)
    
    
    Girls:
    
    Division 1
    
    Haverhill(Emass) vs  Wachusett/Amherst(C/Wmass)
    
    Division 2
    Masconomet(Emass) vs Oxford/Taconic(C/Wmass)
    
    Division 3
    Winthrop(Emass) vs   Boylston/Lee(C/Wmass)
    
    
    MikeL
    

    re: .34
    
        The girls team from Central Mass Division 3 was West Boylston. I
    used "was" because they got beat last night in Springfield.
    
    

    
    
         Well the Mass. State finals are set for this Sat. 
    
    Div 1.    St Johns (21-2) vs. New Bedford (22-3) 7:30 at the Centrum
    
    Div 2.    Wahconah (21-2) vs. Belmont (23-2) 4:00 at the Centrum
    
    Div 3.    Maynard (17-7) (cinderella) vs. Lynn Classical (22-3) 12:30
            at the Centrum
    
                   All Saturday 3/13/93
    
    Chappy

    Full Basketball March Madness Schedule at the Centrum Saturday, 3/13
    
    Division 3
    10:45 AM   Girls    Winthrop vs Lee
    12:30 PM   Boys     Lynn Classical vs. Maynard
    
    Division 2
    2:15 PM    Girls    Masconomet vs Oxford
    4:00 PM    Boys     Belmont  vs  Wahconah
    
    Division 1
    5:45 PM    Girls    Haverhill vs Amherst
    7:30 PM    Boys     New Bedford vs St John's
    
    MikeL
    
    

Mike, any idea of the cost per sessions at the Centrum this saturday....I'm
think of takin' the yungin'..

thank yee

 mike

    
     Mike, it's usually about six bucks for adults (never went with a kid)
     and you can stay for as long as you like. It's really quite a bargain 
     when you think about it.

    Absetively Tommy me main,
    It is quite the bargain and show Mike. I went to the Gahden for the
    EMass games and it was 7 smackers for adults; one admission for all
    events. Mebbe a coupla clams fer the tyke.
    
    Want ta see pure enthusiasm , you gots it.
    
    Bring it on,
    MikeL
      

That's not bad and kids got to be less...

    
    
    
        Don't wanna scare you off but last year and my buddy paid 8 Bucks
    a piece for the finals (Athol Vs. E.Boston) and the other 2 games and
    the guy in front of us was bitching cuz he had to pay the same price
    for his kids. They were about 7 and 10 respectively.
    
    Chappy

    	Plus, much like prison, once you get in there you can't get
    out.  You can't leave and get a decent meal at a decent price then
    re-enter the Centrum, so if you're staying for a few games get ready
    for the highway robbery at the concession stands. 
    
    				/Don

    Re: St. John's
    
    In remembrance of Mr. Hendry, is that the one from Shrewsbury or that
    other pretender to the throne from Danvers?

    there's no St. Johns in Westboro.

    Westboro, Shrewsbury,Boylston,Northboro, what's the diff?
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    
     Spags is in Shrewsbury. Always has been.

    Who said there was a St. John's in Westborough?

    Well since Spags is on Rt. 9, I thought it was in Westboro.

    The local rag had a note that tickets could be bought early for $5. at
    the Haverhill High School.  Tickets on game day are $7.00, no mention
    of age ranges, though.
    
    Should be a great game for the Girls Div 1.  Amherst has a Parade All
    American at guard, she's got a full boat to Stanford, I believe.  The
    off guard isn't bad either.
    
    Haverhill's best chance is to stay close during the 1st half, then wear
    them down in the 2nd.  That's their basic strategy, using the bench.
    
    The Hillies usually go 10-12 deep, whereas many teams can only go 7-8. 
    I don't know about Amherst.
    
    Lee

    Oh yeah, the MIAA supposedly told the Haverhill coach that if the 1st
    game goes off on time, then the whole tourney goes, regardless of the
    weather.  Probably has something to do with scheduling at the Centrum.
    
    Since the Haverhill game is at 5:30, and the Div 1 Boys is later,
    (7:30?), lots of teams may be looking for a place to stay.  The
    forecast is for 1-2 feet in Central N.E., wherever that is.
    
    Lee

    Lee,
    I saw Haverhill play twice in the EMass tourney, and they look strong.
    Those twin towwers underneath look unstoppable. But to me they look
    only 7-8 deep this year ( ha, "Only" 7-8 deep in HS).
    
    I'll be there for the first game at least, weather permitting to
    hopefully watch me birthplace team, Winthrop, down them heelbillies
    from Lee. 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

    Route 9 is pretty long.  There are alot of things on Route 9 that
    aren't in Westborough.

    No kidding, Mac.  Sorry for not explicitly stating that I thought Spags
    was in the Westboro section of Rt.9.

    How about that Maynard High Basketball Team !!!!!!!!
    Any other Maynard Residents out there impressed with what this
    small town BBall Team has accomplished....

    What doers Maynard have, a 270lb center? Man, I saw a picture and he
    looks unmoveable.
    
    MikeL
    

    
     re .63
    
     That kid is something like 6'4" 285 lbs and has been recruited by a
    few big name Divisiom 1 football programs. He makes Barkley look like
    a 98 lb weakling.

    Ya, I'm impressed with the DeLeone's...er, Maynard's team, Air.
    
    Tomorrow's HS hoop schedule at the Centrum has been CANCELLED.  Tentative
    makeup date is Sunday.
    
    					Steve

    I had the opportunity to see Armando Deleonne (sp) play football this
    year. I was scouting Uxbridge for the team that I coach and they were
    playing Maynard. He is about 6'5" and approx 280lbs. Nate Moore, the
    speedy back from Uxbridge, 4.5 in the 40, so I've been told, had gotten
    around the end and was speeding down field when from across the field
    came DeLeone (try this spelling) and caught him from behind??? He had a
    good angle on him, but he still caught him from behind. A maynard fan
    told me he had been clocked at 4.6 in the 40. I guess that makes him a
    legit Div I prospect... Good thing his brother can play hoop, though.
    He looked like he was afraid to be on the field when it came to
    football.
    
    
    
    Coach

    Well, the State Tourney got delayed from Sat to Sunday, then from
    Sunday to Tuesday evening for the girls, and I believe Wed for the
    boys.
    
    Too bad it's on weeknights, but rescheduling can be tough.
    
    Lee

    Re .66 (Coach)
    
    Armando is definitely the football player in the family (and can really
    gobble up the backboard in hoop too), but Jarreau (the younger of the
    two) is one helluva basketball and baseball player.
    
    I haven't heard where Armando is going to go to school, but it's been
    assumed that he does have Div. 1 talent.
    
    					Steve

    Congrats to the Amherst Hurricanes, who blasted the Haverhill Hillie
    Girls by a 74-38 score to win the Div I Mass title.  They just plain
    dominated the game, and I'm trying to figure out how they got to lose
    their one game earlier in the year.  I know they avenged that loss
    later in the year, so I'd guess that it must have been an all-around
    off night for them at that time.
    
    The West dominated, winning all 3 titles.
    
    Boys games are scheduled for tonight at the Centrum.
    
    Lee

    Hopefully, the west will dominate again!  Then maybe the Boston papers
    will give them at least a little bit of coverage.
    
    					Steve

    There was some talk about Armondo Deleon (SP) the BIG CENTER FROM
    maynard being looked at by Division 1 schools, Im not sure but
    is NorthEastern A Div 1 ???? That seems to be where hes going,
    rumor is his grades kept him from being more appealing to bigger
    schools...
    
    The Team had a Pizza Party last night on the house at TC Landos in
    Maynard, was talking to one of the Players...

    Eastern teams rooooled last night.
    
    Div. III 	Lynn Classical 68 - Maynard 54
    Div.  II	Belmont 75 - Wahconah 51
    Div.   I	New Bedford 70 - St. John's 67

    RE - .69
    
    
    Oxford won the Div II title and is a Central Mass team, not Western.
    Sorry, gotta get a plug in for Central Mass. ;^)
    
    
    RE  - .71 
    
    Northeastern is a Div I-AA. They play in the Yankee Conference, I
    believe. I would think that Northeastern wouldn't be that easy of a
    school to get into, grade wise. I really don't know... I know that they
    also signed Torrence Graham from Fitchburg High.
    
    
    Coach

    High school track is just beginning, anyone have any predictions for
    the future state champions.  I believe Jesse Cody of Cambridge, and
    Troy Semper of Brockton will again dominate their events this year.

>    High school track is just beginning, anyone have any predictions for
>    the future state champions.  I believe Jesse Cody of Cambridge, and
>    Troy Semper of Brockton will again dominate their events this year.


I *WILL* beat Rich Gedman in the 100 yd dash this year.... that's MY
prediction!


'Saw

    Re.75
    Who are you, what High School is Rich Gedman from?  I hope you are not
    talking about the former Red Sox catcher.  And I also believe that the
    100yd dash is now in meters.

>    Re.75
>    Who are you, what High School is Rich Gedman from?  I hope you are not
>    talking about the former Red Sox catcher.  And I also believe that the
>    100yd dash is now in meters.


Welcome to Sports.

Oh, sorry, I messed up that last reply.


I just use this account.  My dad works for DEC.  

I go to Glastonbury High School in CT, and I run the 100.  Well, we still
call it the 100 yd dash to be difficult.  Drives our coach nuts.

And believe it or not, there is really a kid down here named Rich Gedman.
But he's nothing like the Red Sox catcher.  First off, he's black.  Second
off, he's pretty tall, and he runs like a gazelle.  But I AM going to
get him this season......


Anyway, Welcome to Sports!


'Saw

    'Saw
    
    I hope you do get that Gedman kid in the dash.  Maybe you have heard of
    or seen me run before.  In 1991 I made David Robinson of Prince Tech.
    in CT, and Larry Redden from Stamford CT look real stupid at the New
    England championships in East Hartford.  My name is Rob Crane the
    former Mass. state and New England 300 Meter Hurdles Champ.

Hey, 'Saw... Welcome to SPORTS.NOTE.    One word of caution... don't put
too many "junk" notes in this file.  There's some guys who have nothing
better to do than count them.

Good luck in your race against Rich Gedman.   I'm supposed to play one-on-one
against Larry Bird this summer.  Hope I can beat him.   Oh, maybe you think I
meant the Larry Bird who played for the Celtics!!!  Ha, ha.  No, this guy is my 
neighbor's son.   He's half Chinese/ half Italian... about 5'4" but he can 
really shoot the J.   Last year he made me look real stupid, but this year
I've been working on my left hand.

Well, I'm BIG for a high school kid, but damn, I'm fast.

I go 6', right around 250 (okay, yeah, it's "enhanced", but hey, all the
football guys do it), and I just love to run.....

Hey, Doug.  Good luck against Larry Bird.  That's kind of like my dad's
friend from New Hampshire who knows Dick Raddatz.  Not THE Dick Raddatz,
but the OTHER Dick Raddatz......


'Saw

    
  >> Last year he made me look real stupid, 
    
     There's a real chore.

    Ha ha ha, nice shot, Tommie.  :*)
    
    lEe
    
    

>>>    MSBCS::BRYDIE "The Peter Principle in action" 

	Looks like you still have several levels left to go up...

    
     Lighten up, Doug. I was just bustin' ya.

    HS All American Rasheed Wallace will announce his choice for college
    today at a 3:00 pm news conference at Simon Gratz HS in Philadelphia.
    He has apparently gotten the results from his latest attempt at the
    SATs and has acheived at least a 700. The speculation in Philadelphia
    is that he has chosen North Carolina.
    
    Dennis Faust
    

    I just called the Atlanta Constitution SPORTS department.  (3:40pm,
    EST).  There's nothing on the wire yet as to his decision.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
     And the winner of the "Person Most In Need Of A Life" Award
    goes to the author of this little gem:
    
    "I just called the Atlanta Constitution SPORTS department.  (3:40pm,
     EST).  There's nothing on the wire yet as to his decision."
    
    

    Rasheed Wallace announced his intention to go to North Carolina.
    However, he has not yet gotten the necessary 700 on his SATs. If he
    does not get a 700, he will not be accepted by UNC.
    
    Dennis Faust
    

>    Rasheed Wallace announced his intention to go to North Carolina.
>    However, he has not yet gotten the necessary 700 on his SATs. If he
>    does not get a 700, he will not be accepted by UNC.
    
You can get 400 just by filling in your name.    

The quest for the next 300 starts.......    

I wonder who Dean will get to sit next to him the nexted (tm) time he takes
the test??????

    How about the Clinton Gaels winning the State Division 2 baseball title
    with a 6-5 win over East Bridgewater saturday....not too bad for such a
    small town.
    
    
    Tom

    Even smaller, Tahanto Regional did well until the final game too.

    I wonder if Leominster's football team sipping (they haven't won yet
    thised year), over the past two or so years, has anything to do with
    the uniforms changing colors.  They went from Penn St. blue to a royal
    blue to this lame NC baby blue.   Yuck. 

    	Scram Heiser!  Taking that choke baby blue color over a more mainly
    blue has got to affect how these kids play.
    
    				/Don

    They've been giving the folks of Leominster the blues for years ;-)

    	Fitchburg upset Brockton last Friday night 22-19.  Only about 2,000
    people at the game.  I heard that WhiningSoreLoser Armand Columbo (he
    of the yearly gush column from the Boston Globe) trashed the visitor's
    lockerroom and the city of Fitchburg plans on having him pay for the
    damages.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
    
    				/Don

    
      I can only imagine the litany of excuses that Massachusetts high
     school football's answer to Lou Holtz trotted out after this one.
     Mark my words, if Brockton goes on to win the Eastern Mass. Super
     Bowl, Columbo will be quoted as saying that Brockton is the best
     team in the state and Fitchburg was lucky. Even though year after
     year Fitchburg is their toughest in-state opponent.

    My, my, my, the times sure have changed.  Who would've thought the Red
    Raiders would actually be competitive!

    	Hey Tommy we were sitting with a bunch of Brockton fans, who when
    the score was only 7-0 Brockton, were whining about how the Boxers were
    dominating the game and the REFS� were taking it away from them. 
    Sounded like rehashed Armand.  After the game a bunch of kids from the
    FHS team of two years ago were telling us how they were so much better
    than this one was.  I told them that may be so, but these kids are the
    ones who got the job done.  8^)
    
    				/Don

	Didcha ever notice how the coach/team that is hated the most also
	happen to be the most successful?  I wonder if there's a connection?


	billl

    
    >> Didcha ever notice how the coach/team that is hated the most also
    >> happen to be the most successful?  I wonder if there's a connection?
    
       In a lot of cases, I'm sure there's a connection but not here.
       Armand deserves the ire that he draws. He doesn't attribute any
       of the incredible success of the Brockton program to the fact that 
       at one time it was the biggest high school east of the Mississippi
       and now is still the second largest in the state. No, it's that the 
       Brockton athlete has a certain "mystique". And when he wins, it's
       because his team was better but when they lose the other team was
       lucky. A classic example was after Leominster knocked off his team
       off when Brockton was ranked #1 in the country by USA Today (and
       wrongfully so). After, that game Armand railed that if they played 
       ten more times, Brockton would beat them every time. Too bad, they
       don't though, Armand and your boys got their cocky butts handed to 
       'em by a bunch of farmers when it counted. And after Brockton won the 
       E. Mass. Super Bowl that year, he took another shot at Leominster.  
       Granted, that not every coach would be as succeful with that program 
       but there are also a lot of other coaches who have also done as well 
       or better with a lot less and are a lot more humble about it. It's not 
       success that breeds contempt here, it's high school coach with a skewed
       perspective.

  
    >> Didcha ever notice how the coach/team that is hated the most also
    >> happen to be the most successful?  I wonder if there's a connection?
    
As a former opponent of Brockton, I couldn't agree more with Tommy on this one.
As I've said in here before, Columbo is one of the biggest scum bags I've come 
across in sports at any level.  Not only does he bad mouth his opponents, rub
it in their face when he wins, and makes excuses wehn he loses, but I know for
a fact that he illegally recruits football players form all over the east to
go there, on the promise of college ball in their future.

Why does he do this?  Probably because his ego is the biggest oen east of the 
Mississippi.  If I were to see him today, I would give him the same greeting 
he gave me when I offered him my hand after his team beat us in 1974: "F*&^ off,
son".

=Bob=

    
    What would happen if Lynn MA. pooled its H.S. together. They would have
    about the same amout of kids to pick from, No.?

    -1
    Yup, TH,
    Lynn Classicall, Lynn English, Lynn Tech, St. Mary's and they get the
    Nahant kids.  Where do you think Swampscott, er "borrowed" some of
    their star players for years. "Say son, why don't you declare legal
    residence at your aunt/uncle/stepbrother, etc house for a while
    and come play for the BigBlue?"
    
    MikeL
    

    
    I usually figure brokton as a powerhouse  in football only because they
    have 500+ kids trying out for the team. I grew up in Peabody  (Next to
    wonderful Lynn) and the general consenses was that if Lynn could make
    one team from all its H.S.'s, they would eat Brockton for lunch.
    
    
    I try to stay out of H.S. sports, way to emotional for me with the
    rents and everything. Then you have coaches with these huge ego's, all
    wrapped up in his/her  own little world. Much more important things in
    life. The coach from Brockton is a real gem, he thinks the world of
    H.S. football revolves around B.H.S. and himself. He  needs to get out
    more then he would realize that his piss a$$ life is'nt all that
    meaningfull.
    
    Just my 2 peso's worth.
    
    -TH 

 Lynn does crank out more than its fair share of Division 1 college foot-
ball talent. And you only have to look at what consilidating the high schools 
did to make Springfield a basketball powerhouse and imagine what Lynn would
be like in football. Now, if they ever did that in Worcester forget about it. 

    I used to umpire softball with John Lee of Walpole ("the colonel") who
    I would guess is a generally admired as this fellow is despised.
    
    One game he stopped the proceedings and said to one malcontent
    
    "You know, your the only guy out here who's not having any fun"
    
    And I seem to recall the colonel winning the big one over Brockton at
    least once.

  John Lee was generally regarded as the best high school football coach
 in Mass. (maybe ever). Coaches in the Patriots organization and former
 Pats players had such a high regard for his program that many moved to
 Walpole just so that their kids could play for Lee. Don Hasselbeck, who's 
 son Matt is at BC on a full boat now, is one who comes to mind. Jimmy 
 Rogers former Celtics coach had his kid play for Lee, too. Jimmy's kid
 went to Iowa on a full boat. And yes, Walpole has beaten much bigger 
 Brockton at least once and I'm sure more than that.

�    I used to umpire softball with John Lee of Walpole ("the colonel") who
�    I would guess is a generally admired as this fellow is despised.

True fact.

My school went away to camp with Walpole high one year, and they practiced with 
us on several occasions.

Here was a guy who could get a good laugh with his players, have fun, but be 
as well coached as anyone, and almost as successful as the Brockton's of the 
world.

=Bob=

    From last Saturday:
    
    Xaverian 17, Brockton 6
    
    NAZZ

    	Did Armand trash another lockerroom?
    
    				/Don

 Actually, (not to be Mr. Frigginknowitall but) it's three losses. Two
in state to Fitchburg and Xaverian and one was out of state to Erie, Pa.
Hee-hee, poor Armand. 

The more losses the better.  Thanks for the correction.

Erie PA?

That's one helluva road trip.....

 Yup, Erie, Pa. I gotta give Brockton credit for one thing, they will go
just about anywhere and play anyone. They used to have a yearly matchup 
with Rome, NY and they've also played one of the better teams on Long
Island and some school from Connecticut. That might change if this season
is indicative of Brockton's future.

Eria PA is a long way to go.  I'm assuming they flew out there.  Otherwise
it's a long ride.....

What team from CT?


'Saw

re: Brockton

Yes, they always had matchups with tough out-of-state opponents.  One of the 
reasons that they have increased in recent years was that when the old Suburban 
League was disbanded, none of the other conferences wanted Brockton as a member.
Reason obvious:  they all hated Columbo.

=Bob=

>Reason obvious:  they all hated Columbo.

Yogurt?

Or the detective in the rumpled raincoat?

    	Hey MikeH, I know you don't get Central Mass scores out there so I
    thought I should post this one for you from Friday night October 22...
    
    	Leominster 14
    	St. John's  0
    
    	Could've been worse though since LHS fumbled twice inside St.
    John's 20.  Glad to be of help.
    
    				/Don

    LHS's experience saved them.

    
    
      Tonight. Battle of the year in Western Mass HS Football as the Athol
    Red Raiders take on East Longmeadow in a game that the winner goes to
    the WM Div II Superbowl. The game will be played in Athol, a couple
    thousand people are rumored to be going to the game.
    
    
    Let the pidgeons loose....
    
    Chappy

    Er, 
    What does a person from Athol call hisself? 
    
    "Everybody is from Athol, in their own way"
    
    MikeL
    

    
    
      I call myself Chappy.
    
    
    Chappy  (see)

    Hey Chappy - there's no "d" in pigeons!!!
    
    NAZZ

    
    
       There is in Athol. :-)
    
    
    
    Chap

    
    
    ATHOL   24
    The Previously unbeaten E. Longmeadow  0 zilch nil....
    
    
    Chap

Former Sports Noter Paul Yankawskas is interested in the score
of the West Boylston-Grafton HS game.

If anyone knows the score of the game, either post it here or send
him some mail at

	US1RMC::"[email protected]"


thanks,
'Saw

    
    	My little brother's football team won their state title game
    	last Friday.  Congrats Bro, no flies on you!
    
    	This was actually some kind of two state deal.  Some of the
    	teams in his league are in Louisiana (he's in Mississippi).
    	They played two playoff games in Louisiana (one in Shreveport
    	which is damn near Texas!).
    
    Claybone

>                           -< Rustybone is a champ >-

Good name, Rusty.....


8^)

    
    Re: .131
    
    I just blasted Paul the following 'trons......
    I also think that this is the firsted time in the 12 years I've lived
    in Grafton that the team didni't have a winning season, let alone going
    winless.
    
    
	David Lindberg ran for three touchdowns and 135 yards to lead
	West Boylston past Grafton 28-18.
	The Lions (3-7) ran all over the place, picking up 347 yards on 54
	carries.
	Besides Lindberg, Jeff Martineth ran 20 times for 114 yards an a
	touchdown, and Jason Valentine 16 times for 83 yards for West
	Boylston.
	All of Grafton's TD's were long ones.  Mark Schichilone returned a
	kick 80 yards, Dan Dubois ran 56 yards for one, and Steve Keresczyk
	40 yards for another for the Indians (0-10)

	WB	6  14  8  0  28
	GR      6   6  6  0  18


    
    	I remain,
    remembering they were regulars in the Super Bowls
    Kev
    
    

    My alma mater, West Springfield lost to Springfield Central in one of
    the Super Bowls.  They also lost to brews' alma mater Agawam on
    Thanksgiving Day.
    
    Millbury High, winners of 9 games from 1983-1992, went 11-0-0 in 1993
    and won their Super Bowl.

    
    
    
       LEE 42
       ATHOL 8
    
    
    
       :-(

         It's interesting to note that Acton-Boxboro H.S. put the only 
    blemishes on the records of Super Bowl winners, Westford Academy and North
    Middlesex.
                                                  

  >  They also lost to brews' alma mater Agawam on    Thanksgiving Day.
    
    Thanks for the good news Mac.  Any more details on the game?
    
    brews

�  >  They also lost to brews' alma mater Agawam on    Thanksgiving Day.
�    
�    Thanks for the good news Mac.  Any more details on the game?
    
    Nope, just read the article quickly and blocked it out of my mind even
    more quickly.

    
    Ya didn't happen to save the article, did ya?
    
    brews

    Sorry, I didn't, brews.  I read it while at the inlaws for Turkey Day 
    -- it was their paper.

    It's a sad day in Central Mass. football when Leominster, St. Johns,
    and Fitchburg let schools like Milbury win a bowl.

	I'll say one thing for Central and Western Mass, they don't 
inundate you with a plethora of "Super" Bowl games like Eastern Mass does 
and in the process cheapen the event.  It was pretty lame last Saturday when 
12 Eastern Mass schools were screaming "We're Number 1!" at the end of the 
day.

				/Don

I also wonder about the E-Mass selection process.  If team records are the same,
I believe the first tie-breaker is which team has gone the longest since being 
to a Super Bowl.  Chelmsford trounced Billerica on T'day, but Billerica got 
the nod for the bowl, since it had been so long since they've been there.

=Bob=

>I also wonder about the E-Mass selection process.  If team records are the same,
>I believe the first tie-breaker is which team has gone the longest since being 
>to a Super Bowl.  Chelmsford trounced Billerica on T'day, but Billerica got 
>the nod for the bowl, since it had been so long since they've been there.

Bob,

	You neglected to mention that it was a three-way tie, with Central
Catholic, Chelmsford, and Billerica. Chlemsford lost to Central, and Central
lost to Billerica.

	Besides, Billerica gave an excellent account of themselves, dominating
Woburn 27-7.

 Jim M.	

Yer right, it was a three way tie, but it was clear that Chelmsford would beat
Billerica nine times out of ten,. and that the Central Catholic loss was a 
fluke.   Hmm, this sounds kinda like ND/Florida State/WVA, doesn't it.

=Bob=

    Re: -1 & /Don
    
    Yeah it does sound an awful lot like NCAA football.  So many have a
    claim to #1 until they settle it mano a mano.

	Personally Mike I would prefer if they would do away with the 
"Super" Bowl concept.  It may encourage schools to schedule better 
opponents instead of the current trend of scheduling a team you know that 
can be beaten, yet will rack up 6 or 7 wins and build up your opponent 
quality points so you can make the Super Bowl.  Let the season end on 
Thanksgiving Day.  I figure whatever revenue lost from the "Super" Bowl 
games will be made up by increased attendance at individual games when fans 
see that the opponent is worth giving up a Friday night or Saturday 
afternoon for.

				/Don              

    does that mean game attendance is dwindling too?  I remember going to
    LHS games (had family going there) before I decided on what school I 
    would attend.  Doyle Field was always packed out, regardless of the 
    opponent.  Even Clinton with its crappy teams had a decent following.

    I thik the Eastern Mass Super Bowls are a joke, IMHO. East Bridgewater
    made it with a 5-5 record. One of the reasons for so many is that the
    MIAA see's $$$$$$. They have most of the bowls at school sites, so
    they eliminate a rental fee. In Central Mass, they have the games at
    WPI and pay a fee. I've heard rumors that this will be the last season
    for these at WPI. I think that is a shame because I believe the kids
    really enjoy the games being there. Plus, it is a central location. As
    for the criteria for making the bowls, here is what Central Mass does:
    
    It is based on a point system.
    
    You get 10 pionts for defeating a team in your division
    You get 12 points for defeating a team in the next division up.
    You get 14 points for defeating a team that is 2 divisions up from you.
    You get 8 points for defeating a team one division lower the you.
    You get 6 points for defeating a team 2 divisions below you.
    You split the points in the event of a tie.
    You get 2 points for every win that any team you defeat has.
    
    The top 2 point scorers in each division get into the Super Bowls.
    
    Central Mass is thinking about going to a 4th division next year
    because there are more teams in Division III than any other. There are
    48 teams in Central Mass, so the suggestion is to put 12 in each
    division. Right now, the divisions in Central Mass. are based on
    strength of schedule, past history, school size, ETC, ETC. 
    
    
    I hope this takes any confusion away from Super Bowls and how teams get
    there.
    
    
    
    
    
    			Coach

I don't understand why they use this system, unless it is because there
is a plethora of schools.


Down here, they have four "classes":  S, M, L, and LL, depending on
enrollment.  At the end of the year there is a championship game
in each of the classes, so you'll have ONE champion in each class.

There might be a playoff system -- I know there is in soccer, but I'm
not sure about football, but to even think of getting to the championship
game you have to win your division.  (There's a bunch of those, based
on geography).

I'll try to find out more about how it works and post it.  It's been so
long since I've been in school they've change a lot of it anyway....


'Saw

    Amen, Slasher...back in the seventies, Leominster would pack 10K fans
    at Doyle Field for Brockton games.  Admittedly, that number is a far
    cry from the attendance of games played on the south or PA, but when
    was the last time you say 10K fans at a Mass football game that wasn't
    a superbowl?
    
    Mark.

    	The thing is Mark, back then I would go to see the opposition as
    much as Leominster.  LHS had great rivalries with Nashua, Manchester
    and Gardner.  I realize that with Gardner the talent gap got to wide,
    but the New Hampshire teams were dropped because playing them hurt
    Leominster's chances of going to the "Super" Bowl.  Other than
    Brockton, Fitchburg and now North Middlesex most of the teams that come
    to Doyle I could give a flying fig about.
    
    				/Don

    Friday night sojourns from Leominster up to Holman Stadium and to
    Manchester were some good times.
    
    Mark.

In Washington State there are only 4 divisions based on enrollment size. The
Super Bowls are played in 1 night at the Kingdome and televised by one of the
big local affiliates....

It's pretty wild seeing some of these kids from some  small town in Eastern
Washington get their first look inside the Kingdome. It sort of reminds me of
Hoosiers....

Mass doesn't need Eastern, Central and Western super Bowls for each division in
a state the size of a peanut...

Metz

    The Nashua rivalry with LHS was almost as heated as the Fitchburg one.  

�Mass doesn't need Eastern, Central and Western super Bowls for each division in
�a state the size of a peanut...
    
    Of course there are only 4 divisions in your whole state.  There are
    about as many people in all of Washington as there are in Boston.

    Emulate the basketball champeenships.
    
    Cut the EMass Super Bowls back from two per division to one
    Combine the CMass/WMass Super Bowls
    Have each division winner square off.
    
    A_course, the MIAA won't make as much dinero, so forget it.
    
    MikeL
    

Anyone know (or able to find out) if Assabet Valley Voc. H.S. is scheduled
to play hoops next Tuesday (Jan 25)?   I'll be in the area for that night
only.  

    
    
    	Yabbut did anybody else happen to see the news clips of some high
    school basketball team's, ahem, unique tactic in the last 2 seconds
    of the game?
    
    Seems team "A" (since I don't remember the name) is down by one point.
    There's 2 seconds left and team "A" gets to inbound the ball right
    under their basket.
    
    The teams lined up for the pass when all of a sudden a player from team
    "A" ran over to the other side of the court, dropped down on all fours
    and began barking like a dawg!  Everybody on the court turns to watch
    this guy, including the zebra, wondering if he's lost his marbles
    or what when suddenly the inbound pass is made and Whoosh! score 2
    points for team "A" - game's over!!!!!!!!!
    
    After the game, the barker was interviewed and he said that his coach
    told him to "create a diversion" and that's all he could think of!
    
    good move but I'll bet he'll never be invited to REK's for dinner!
    
    :^)
    
    I remain,
    WOOF!  (sorry Hal)
    Kev
    

    
    
    	Yabbut also, howcome our WFAN listeners didn't put in this little
    gem?
    
    The Noo Yawk Public Schools Athletic Association, the governing body
    for high school sprots voted overwhelmingly to ban all NYC HS's and some
    Lawn Guyland schools from the State Champeenships!  Over 30,000
    kids are effected by this ban and there's talk of legal action since
    it could be seen as being racially motivated.
    
    Interesting.....
    
    and as a side note, I believe NYC schools have won something like 20
    out of the last 28 State Championships (I think it's all sports
    combined).  Ya don't think that could have had something to do with it.
    Do ya?
    
    I remain,
    wondering if the M.I.A.A. had employed the NYPSAA people before?
    Kev
    

    I cought the clip on the barking dog play, I couldnt stop laughing.
    Seems like a great play, definate play of the game material, and
    MVP as well :-)
    
    								mab

    that was a riot...
    
            stig

    Yeah a riot.
    
    Quite a sportsman that juvenile is.. and the yahoo coach who prolly
    just got off his sheep farm up there in Wyoming...
    Kid shoulda got on all fours and said Baaah Baaah. But then again,
    he woulda been charged with incitin' a riot with all them slack-
    jawed sheep lovers up theyah...
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    Junior point guard Matt Gordon of Newmarket High School, Newmarket,N.H.
    reached 1000 career points sat. night with a 36 point effort against
    hollis,n.h.
    
    entered the game needing 25 points, had 17 at half time and
    hit the front end of a 1 and 1 with 10 seconds to go in the
    third period to hit his 1000th point...!!!
    
    
    

Congrats, Matt

Wouldn't be any relation, would he?

;-)

    Was that in one of those NH School Districts that have so few kids you
    can dress kids for varsity sports from grades 1-12?  And they only have
    one team, both boys and girls play together?  And if you can prove that
    eveyone on your team is related, you get two points for free throws as
    well as field goals?
    
    NAZZ

    -1,
    
    Anyone know high school eligibilty HS rules here in Mass?
    Specifically, how many years is one eligible to play varsity
    basketball? 
    The reason I ask is that one of the stars in girls' HS BBall
    here in EMass is 8th grader Brianne Stepherson of Masconomet
    HS. And get this, she started as PG on last year's EMass champeenship
    team as a *7th* grader. And I saw her play in person.. she's a poised
    player for age 12.
    
    MikeL
    

    You can play for six years IF the junior high and high school are
    housed in the same structure.  Why that makes a difference I'm not
    sure, but I think it's to help smaller school districts who don't have
    the population to always field teams from grades 9-12.
    
    NAZZ

                                                                       
>    You can play for six years IF the junior high and high school are
>    housed in the same structure.  Why that makes a difference I'm not
>    sure, but I think it's to help smaller school districts who don't have
>    the population to always field teams from grades 9-12.
    
    Hmmmm, sounds like an exception clause for MA schools which condone
    incestuous relationships, like in those hick NH towns...
    
    glenn
    

    Mike,
    	see .25.  The most interesting  thing was that during her grammar
    school days she was a star on the junior high school boys football
    team.
    	Didn't bernie kosar, the dallas cowboy star qb, begin his miami
    matriculation as a 16 year old?
    
    b

    Ah yes glenn,
    Ya see I think Masco is near the NH border so the osmosis rule is
    in effect (actually it's 15 miles away..quite a long osmosis 8^).
    
    And bill,
    I thought you was going to go on that kosar began his playing days
    on the girls' HS BBall team just to continue a long worn out SPROTS
    thread..
    Stepherson cain play and she can fire them up from downtown.
    
    MikeL
    

    re: 168
    
    why yes it was but why that makes a difference I'm not sure...you still
    have to put the ball through the hoop...
    
    
    

    Being from Newburyport and seeing this girl play against my son's
    football team was one of the most remarkable things I've ever
    witnessed. She played for Masco on the 5th-6th grade team. She was a
    running back and Masco had the ball on their own 10 yard line. She took
    a pitchout and went 90 yards untouched. She turned the corner on the
    plane and took off like a bullet. I happened to be standing next to one
    of Newburyport's HS coaches and the expression on his face was
    priceless. The next best player on the team was a 135 lb. tackle who
    also was a girl. That was 3 years ago  and my son still talks about it
    and I constantly remind him of how a girl went around him for 90 yards. 
    (I know, no points for this from the P.C. crowd.) He keeps telling me
    it wasn't his side she went around. 
    For a school district as small as Masco is they have one of the best 
    female sports programs in the state. Their girl's soccer and basketball
    teams are always in the state tourney. It's school district comprises
    Boxford, Topsfield and Middleton and is about 20 miles from the N.H
    border. 

    Haverhill Girl's Basketball Team, 1994 Div 1 State Champions
    
    Congrats, girls.
    
    This is Haverhill's 4th Girls Div 1 State Title in the last 8 years.  
    Not too shabby.
    
    Lee

    Speaking of Haverhill girls, how's your daughter doing Lee?  Did her
    knee ever get back to 100%?
    
    NAZZ

    Hi, Nazz.
    
    Yeah, she had a full year of rehab and finally got to play.  She put in
    2 years with the local JC, Northern Essex CC.  She played with the
    brace the first year, and without it the second year.  The doctor said
    the only purpose of the brace at that point would be to help from
    re-injuring the knee, rather than providing any needed support for
    playing.
    
    Since then, she's joined the Air Force and is at the Presidio in
    Moterey, Ca.  She's studying Arabic and will then go to Crypto school
    to become a Crypto-linguist.  She will most likely then be stationed in
    England for the remainer of her enlistment.
    
    Lee

    
    Is she going to the Navy linguistic school near Monterrey, Lee?  Quite
    a few distinguished alums from there, including KO.
    
    brews

    Wow Lee - congrats to you and your daughter!  You must be one proud
    papa!
    
    NAZZ

    Brews,
    
    It's called the Defense Language School, located on the Presidio of
    Monterey.  People from all military branches attend, as well as 
    government employees from CIA, State Dept, etc.  I don't know if there
    is a Navy linguistic school in addition to this one or not.
    
    Lee

    
    I think that is the same school KO went ot.  Had a different name a few
    years ago when I called on them.
    
    brews

    
    This past weekend my son made it to the Track and Field State meet
    next Saturday at Bridgewater State College.
    
    Does anyone know how to get to Bridgewater State from MA.?
    
    steve

    
|    This past weekend my son made it to the Track and Field State meet
|    next Saturday at Bridgewater State College.
 
Congrats Steve.  What is your son's event?  It seems that there have been a 
number of outstanding performers in this outdoor track season.  Maybe the 
sport is on an upswing.

As for Bridgewater State - it's down on the South Shore somewhere.  (HTH)

=Bob=

>>    Does anyone know how to get to Bridgewater State from MA.?
    
>>    steve
    
    
    Congrats steve. Is MA.? Maynard? Bridgewater is off Rt 24 (south of
    Brockton). Not sure exactly but you can take Rt 24 S from 128.
    
    MikeL
    

    Bob,
    
    Thanks.  My son actually qualified in 2 events:  The 200 (He ran
    a 23.7 and was 4th.  The person who won it got a 23.0!)
    
    He is also the first leg of the 4x110 relay team.  
    The relay team finished 3rd.  (2 jr's a sophomore and a freshman)
    
    Steve

    Hello,
     I know exactly what you mean. I was a high school athlete as well. I
    attended Catholic Memorial High School in the West Roxbury section of
    Boston. I also lettered in 3 sports (football, baseball and track). Our
    varsity teams were not bad (7-3, 6-4, 8-2) in my 3 years on the team(i
    also played 1 year of freshman football. CM plays in the very
    competative Catholic Conferenece(which includes BC High, Xaverian, Don
    Bosco, Malden Catholic and St. John's Prep). I am also proud to say
    that I was named co-athlete of the year in '83(my graduation year), and
    I still hold the school record for the 100-yd dash @ 9.8. It was set in
    1981.
                           -Tony

I hold the record for longest power puke ever at Glastonbury High School.

    Your parents must have been proud.
    
    Mark.

>
>    Your parents must have been proud.
>    
>    Mark.

They were.  All those days of projectile vomiting as a baby really paid off
I guess....


8^)

 Tony, wouldn't 9.8 also qualify as world record time as well???

 mike

MikeC:

100 yard not 100 meter.

The Crazy Met

 thanks Craze. either way Tony was haulin' a$$..........

 mike

>    competative Catholic Conferenece(which includes BC High, Xaverian, Don
>    Bosco, Malden Catholic and St. John's Prep). I am also proud to say
    
    Ahem!  That should be St. Johns Prep the Lesser.  St. Johns Prep the
    Greater is in Shrewsbury.

|    Ahem!  That should be St. Johns Prep the Lesser.  St. Johns Prep the
|    Greater is in Shrewsbury.

Isn't St. Johns in Danvers the perrenial hockey power?  They also had some good
basketball and football teams, as I recall.

    
    	"We went back inside, had a few drinks...
    	 but all he kept talkin' 'bout was glory days!"
    
    -Bruce S.

re: .197

least someone has some good taste in music.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Well, I lost my *good taste* in music when he up and fired
    	the E Street Band and mah main main Clarence.
    
    Claybone

    St. Johns Shrewsbury has more titles than Danvers.

|    St. Johns Shrewsbury has more titles than Danvers.

Yabut, bear in mind they were puny Central Mass. titles...

Clarence was cool.....

He used to be a football player I think (East Kentucky? or East something?)
but he never talks about it....

    Not exactly true, Bob.  Back in the '40s and '50s (when St. Johns was
    still in Worcestor), they dominated many sports and did it against
    Boston area schools too.

Well that means that least Lee and billthe remember some of those
titles :-)

The Crazy Met

    the transition occured during the '60s where the population growth of the
    Boston area schools gave them a much better selection of athletes.  St.
    Johns is a regional school as far as Worcestor is concerned, but the
    city is quite big enough now to compete with Boston on a regular basis.
    Today, team's like the old Hudson hockey dynasty dominating Boston
    schools are rare.
    
    Mike

    Springsteen and the word music in the same breath is an oxymoron in the
    strongest sense of the word.
    
    Yer welcome, Daryll.
    
    Mark.
    

re: .206

My one surprise is that JaKe didn't get here first with that
comment.

The Crazy Met

    ML Carr?  You sure it's isn't a plot to get Dean Smith up north and
    draft Montross?
    
    P.S. dan'l says "hi" and go Vancouver...
    

>    
>    P.S. dan'l says "hi" and go Vancouver...
>    

Does he still have the toll-free?

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     No JD, the problem with the song "Born in the USA" was not that
    people didn't get it. The problem was that it grated on the nerves
    like a whiney spouse, it was preachy and pretentious yet typical
    of the pseudo-working class "Boss". If you want to listen to protest
    music listen to Steel Pulse or Billy Bragg but don't listen to some
    multi-millionaire who lives in Beverly Hills drone on about blue
    collar angst.
    

    Beautiful, Tommy.
    
    Mark.

    someone should teach him how to play 4 chords now too.

    
    	If I listen to the same music as Mark and Tommy, will I
    	be cool like them?
    
    Claybone

    
        Probably not but it's worth a shot.

People should just listen to the music they like and not give a shit
what other people think.

I hear so many people get into the "my music is better than your music"
and I think it's pretty funny.

You don't have to be hip, or what other people think is hip.  You just
have to enjoy what you listen to.

My brother really likes country music.  With some rare exceptions, I
don't tend to.  But he likes it, enjoys it, and it makes him feel good,
so more power to him.  He wonders why I like Hendrix.

To some people, Gene Krupa's tom-tom solo to start "Sing, Sing, Sing"
is crap, but if you're into jazz, it's a classic.  Some folks would never
understand why I get off on Woody Herman's All-Star trumpet section
digging into their unison licks in "Brotherhood of Man" -- I can't explain
it myself, other than I've tried it, and it's a bitch.....

So Claybone, you wanna be hip?  Just listen to what you like and enjoy
it, and you're hip dude...


In a gadda da vide, baby....


'Saw

    
    	I was just doing a little chain yanking 'Saw.  I don't pay 
    	any attention to what's "hip", and it probably shows.
    
    Claybone

    
       Musical tastes really are as subjective a you can get. 
      To me Springsteen started on a long, slow downward spiral 
      after The Wild, The Innocent and The E Street Shuffle. The 
      River and everything afterwards was progressively more com-
      mercial until he decided to go back to where he started as a Bob 
      Dylan disciple and released Nebraska. I have friends who love 
      Brucie and talk glowingly about three plus hour concerts which 
      would be hell to me. They're cool, we're just different people.  

    Hello,
     You wouldn't by any chance be Mark Lefebvre that worked at NEC in
    Boxboro, would you? If so, this is Tony, the person who sat in the same
    cubicle with Jim Charleton in the CD-Rom Support division. What are you
    up to these days?

>     You wouldn't by any chance be Mark Lefebvre that worked at NEC in
>    Boxboro, would you? If so, this is Tony, the person who sat in the same
>    cubicle with Jim Charleton in the CD-Rom Support division. What are you
>    up to these days?
>


If he wore velour shorts, drove a volvo, loved "Marky Mark and the Funky
Bunch", and would tell someone to "Do Me!" for writing about this stuff,
then you must know the same Lufay.....


'Saw

    there is more than one Mark Lefebvre.  One is younger and smarter, grew
    up in Clinton with me, and graduated from St. Johns too.  The other
    notes in here and works for DEC.

    
    	The Mark LuFay I know likes to ruin Christmas for little kiddies
    	via a red rubber ball placed in a strategic location.  :*)
    
    Claybone

    Mike,
    	Hudson never 'dominated' in hockey but was one of seven or eight
    serious contenders during the 50s and 60s.  Arlington,Melrose,Norwood
    and Walpole were the cream, Boston schools themselves never contended
    until the Orr madness spawned rink madness and then the recruiting,
    (which had existed for basketball and football sporadically ) made the
    catholic schools predominate from early 70s on (from the point at which
    they had players to recruit).
    
    Hudson did play Norwood in circa 1960 in tourney result ????
    
    but 40s I can't say
    
    and yes the north shore did have good teams but not yearly state
    semi-finals year in year out 1955-1970 like the four I mentioned.

    Hudson won at least 2, maybe 3 *state* titles in the early '70s.  St. 
    Johns dethroned them as Central Mass (District III) champs when I started
    there in the mid-70s.  St. Johns went to the state finals twice during
    my 4 years, but lost both times to Boston area schools.

    Yes, St. John's Prep is a high school hockey power. But if you follow
    high schooll sports, you are aware that Catholic Memorial has won both
    the EMass and Div. 1 State Championship in hockey for the past 7 years,
    dating back to 1987.
    
                               Tony

 |   Yes, St. John's Prep is a high school hockey power. But if you follow
 |   high schooll sports, you are aware that Catholic Memorial has won both
 |   the EMass and Div. 1 State Championship in hockey for the past 7 years,
 |   dating back to 1987.
 
I did know that.  There is no doubt that CM has a fine sports program.  
Actually, I will support any program that can beat Brockton High regularly.

    Well not being in the state any longer, I don't follow it.  Matignon
    was once an Eastern power when I was in high school.  How are they now?

> Actually, I will support any program that can beat Brockton High regularly.
    
    Like Leominster football?
    
    Mark.

|> Actually, I will support any program that can beat Brockton High regularly.
    
|    Like Leominster football?
 
Yes.  Anyone who puts that low-life Armong Columbo in his place. 

    
    	There are some big time games in Central Mass this weekend!  The
    	Mid-Wach League doesn't get the recognition like the Eastern Mass
    	High School programs but if you ask perennial powerhouse Brockton
    	High who are there tougher opponents . . . they will have to say
    	Central Mass {Fitchburg, Leominster, North Middlesex}.
    
    			    WEEKEND LINE-UP
    
    	Friday   9/16    Brockton at North Middlesex       7pm
    	Saturday 9/17    Danvers  at Oakmont               1pm
    	Saturday 9/17    New Bedford at Fitchburg          7pm
    
    	******  Any predictions are welcome

    
         Brockton has to come to central Mass. just to get someone
        who isn't scared to play them. Armand Columbo doesn't praise
        the opposition very often but he did give Fitchburg and Leom-
        inster credit for playing Brockton when schools in eastern
        Mass wouldn't schedule them. Leominster knocking off Brockton 
        when Brockton was ranked no. 1 in the country remains the best 
        high school football game that I've ever seen. North Middlesex 
        is the new power in central Mass, largely because of the pop-
        ulation shift in central Mass towards the regional schools, and 
        should give Brockton a good game.

    	Bad timing.  I'm going to a wedding at the Cape this weekend,
    otherwise I would go to both the North Middlesex/Brockton and 
    Fitchburg/New Bedford game.  I say Brockton over Middlesex and New
    Bedford over Fitchburg.  But I hope I'm wrong.
    
    				   /Don

    North Middlesex 14, Brockton 7.  NM kept Brocton scoreless till the
    mid 4th quarter.  Brocton then led 7-6.  NM then drove down the field
    and scored the game winning touchdown.  Ruggles (Yes, Scot Ruggles, the
    coaches son.) scored the 2 pt conversion on a keeper.  Touchdowns for
    NM:  Matt Dawson and Jeff Whelan.
    
    New Bedford 42, Fitchburg 7.  I think the New Bedford kids were extra
    pumped because of what happened to Brocton.
    
    Steve  

    That NM win over Brockton is *huge*.  The Globe was absolutely stunned
    on Saturday.
    
    Congrats on yet another "West of 495" victory over the Boxers!
    
    Mark.

    
    North Middlesex is up in my neck of the woods; I live in the town north
    of Townsend and was caught in the traffic jam caused by the pre-game
    hoopla (as it turns out I probably should have just stopped for the
    game).  The win over Brockton is probably the biggest thing to
    ever happen in sports up there, and I'm sure BobM would tell us that
    it couldn't have come against a nicer guy.  From the quotes in the
    Globe that centered only on how poorly his team had executed you could
    just feel the less-than-sportsmanlike smoke pouring out of Columbo's
    ears.  But regardless of its hicktown location, I must admit that the 
    Globe makes that school sound smaller than it really is, like something
    out of Hoosiers with dirt floors or something, which it most certainly
    isn't.  It still ain't close to Brockton, though.
    
    glenn
    

    
       North Middlesex has been *the* power in Central Mass football
      for the last five or so years. They regularly beat Fitchburg and
      Leominster these days just because they now have the numbers on
      their side. The Brockton win may be a big one but that's mainly
      because of Brockton's rep. Brockton isn't the sacry team that they
      used to be. In eastern Mass the power seems to have shifted to
      New Bedford. They've won state titles in every major sport in 
      the last five years.
    

RE: N. Middlesex over Brockton

Right on!  Hurray for anybody who can defeat Columbo and
his dirty program!

Townsend and the surrounding area is not exactly the big
city, but neither is it the sticks.  I don't knwo how big 
the HS is, but bear in mind that is HAS to smaller than 
Brockton.

I had always been ambivilant toward Boston College football.
I give them credit for bringing big-time college ball to
the area, but I can't help but root against them thised
year, with Mark Hartsell from Brockton at QB.

In other HS football news, Wellesley lost to Brookline
yesterday, ending the longest winning streak in the state
of Mass.

=Bob=

         What's remarkable about North Middlesex's victory Friday night is
    that they are starting a whole new offensive backfield.  Star fullback
    Jamie Holston graduated last June along with the incumbent quarterback
    and halfback.  Their replacements, especially QB Scott Ruggles, really
    rose to the occasion in their first starting assignments.
    
         The N.M. defense was the real story however, as Brockton only
    managed 22 yards of total offense in the first half, and then only
    mustered the one scoring drive in the second.
    
         To give an idea of the relative sizes of the two schools, North
    Middlesex draws from Pepperell (pop. approx 10,000), Townsend (pop.
    approx. 10,000) and Ashby (pop. approx 4000).  Brockton, according to
    the Massachusetts Atlas in my office, has a population of just under
    100,000 residents.  At one time, Brockton H.S. was one of the largest
    High School's in the Eastern U.S.
    
         The real power in Massachusetts High School football this season
    however is New Bedford, as evidenced by their 42-8 whomping of
    Fitchburg.  Tailback JoJo Goodine has Division 1 Collegiate Star
    written all over him!
                                     
    Russ

    
    	I was in attendance to see Oakmont Regional {Ashburnham and
    	Westminster} defeat Danvers 20-13 this past Saturday.  Danvers
    	was a good football team, they were well coached and all the
    	players displayed great sportsmanship.  
    
    	North Middlesex is amazing, they seem to find talented athletes
    	every year but Coach Ruggles has done a great job over the past
    	5-7 years.  
    

    My step-son, Jason O'loughlin, goes to North Middlesex and is on the
    Football team.  We were talking about the game and about Brockton.
    The coaches told them that 1,300 kids tried out for the Brocton football 
    team this year.  (That is the total population of North Middlesex!)
    
    On to Westboro this Saturday.
    
    steve
    
    

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>    steve                                       ^^^^^^^
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Space Cowboy?  

Gangster of Love?
    

    
    Fly like an eagle........
    
    No relation... actually I think there are about 4 of that work at 
    Digital.
    
    I don't get Sports Channel, but I thought I heard at the game Friday
    night that the game would be replayed on Sports Channel Reebok High
    School game of the week. (NM v Brockton)   Anybody else here that?
    
    steve  

>    No relation... actually I think there are about 4 of that work at 
>    Digital.
    
Darn!

I thought I'd ask for free tickets or something 8^)

    
    Saturday North Middlesex beat Westboro 28-0.  On North Middlesex's
    first play from scrimage Jesse Aubin ran for 57 yards for the td.
    From there NM Dominated the game.  
    At the half the score was 21-0 and the starters came out for one
    last series of the day.  Touchdown.  Then Sandy Ruggles pulled
    his starters and played the subs.  
    Touchdowns by: Jesse Aubin 57yds,2yds,  Scot Ruggles 1yd, and
    Jason O'loughlin 10yds.
    
    Next stop:  At Wachusett on Saturday.
    
    BTW, Butch Hobson was at the game. (I guess he lives in Westboro)
       Butch sat with the people in the stands and signed autographs 
       all day.  
    
    Steve
         

    
    
    
    	Best bet for nexted week:
    
    		Malden Catholic will crush those wuss'es from Xaverian H.S.
    
    
    		Guarenteed. Take it to the bank....
    
    JimH 

    
| Malden Catholic will crush those wuss'es from Xaverian H.S.
 
Is it Malden Catholic that plays in Brother Dilboy Stadium?

    
    
    
>Is it Malden Catholic that plays in Brother Dilboy Stadium?
    
	We used to play (years ago) in Brother Gilbert Stadium. But
    that was torn down in the late 70's to make way for "Urban
    renewal" (plus the brothers got a HUGE cash payment for the 
    land!). MC shared MacDonald Stadium with Malden HS for several 
    years, before building a new football field & track right next
    to the school. I don't know if the named the new field 
    Brother Gilbert II.
    
    	I think there is a Dilboy Field, which is owned by the MDC
    on Rt 16 in Somerville.
    
    	I like the idea of combining the two names: Brother Dilbert
    Stadium!!!
    
    JimH -- MC ROOLZ!!!!
    
    
    

|    land!). MC shared MacDonald Stadium with Malden HS for several 
|    years, before building a new football field & track right next

I think I've got my old Greater Boston League stadiums confused.  I 
thought that Malden HS played in Hormel Stadium - or is that Medford?

You know you're getting old when they are tearing down the stadiums
you played in.

=Bob=

    Oh Jim, you poor helpless romantic - your allegiance to the old High
    School is touching.
    
    But if MC stays within five touchdowns of Xaverian it will be an upset.
    
    Final score prediction:  Xaverian 41, MC 6.
    
    NAZZ

    
    
    	Bob, Hormel is "Medfa" High's stadium, it is right on the Revere
    Beach parkway next to the Mystic river, MacDonald is in Malden
    with the railroad tracks running right behind it. Used to be the
    bet way to sneak into the games, until the MBTA ruined it by putting
    in the electric third rail.
    
    	Hey NAZZ, tell everybody the story about how Xaverian dropped
    MC as their turkey day rivalry game right after the firsted time 
    they beat ya in umpteen years! Xaverian knows MC is a school on
    the rise, and they are SKEEREED to play them. You'ld drop us
    from the schedule if the league would let you!
    
    MC 24, X 6
    
    JimH
    

    PLease JimH, NEVER,EVER,EVER mention Xaverian and Notre Dame in
    the same sentence again.  My heart cain't take it.
    
    NAZZ

    Besides, everyone knows St. Johns-Shrewbury is the best Catholic H.S.
    in Massachusetts.

    
       St. John's of Shrewsbury was 1-9 in football last year. Must
      have been a down recruiting year for them.

         <<< Note 16.255 by FRETZ::HEISER "Grace changes everything" >>>

    >    Besides, everyone knows St. Johns-Shrewbury is the best Catholic H.S.
    >    in Massachusetts.
    
    Mike, please help me out.  I cain't find Shrewbury on my map of the Bay
    State.  
    
    Mark.
    

    Mark, it's the school that whupped your Leominster behind for the state
    baseball title in '76.
    
    glad to help,
    Mike

    Bzztt!  Wrong!  
    
    True, St. John's beat us in the districts in '76, but beat Brockton for
    the state title.  
    
    I guess they place history on the same pedestal as spelling at St.
    John's, eh?
    
    Mark.

    As far as you're concerned, Leominster High was sent home packing where
    they belong.
    
    Too bad they were 1-9 last season, but it's too much pressure on the
    younguns to win it all the time.  Being a religious school, they have
    to let other schools have a turn once in a while.  They can continue to
    bask in the glory of numerous other sports championship titles.
    
    Mike

    >>They can continue to bask in the glory of numerous other sports 
    >>championship titles.
    
    Yabbut, are the titles in the 'major sports'?
    
    (I love ratholes!)
    nyuk, nyuk,
    
    billl

    >    Yabbut, are the titles in the 'major sports'?
    
    Of course: football, baseball, basketball, and hockey.
    
    They even won the District III soccer title 3 years in a row when I was
    there.  The sissy soccer coach recruited those sissies from all over
    Worcestor County.

    pssst...Mike!  It's "Worcester".
    
    Mark.

    Thanks.  So I was 1 letter off, just be glad I didn't spell it like
    it's pronounced.

    
      re .262
    
      When was the last time that St. John's won a state title in anything?
      Much as I might not like to admit it, there's a pretty large gap be-
      tween eastern Mass. and central/estern Mass in sports talent completely
      due to the population distribution. Certain very large schools like 
      Spingfield Central and Fitchburg might be able to produce a basketball
      team that can compete with the Boston schools and in baseball a 
      Clinton or similar school occasionally wins a state title but by and
      large, the eastern schools dominate especially in football and hockey. 

    I'm not sure Tommy.  I haven't lived there for 13 of the last 14 years. 
    I know they've won a fistful of the bowl games since I've been gone. 
    Not sure of the other sports.  When I was there, we *OWNED* District
    III.
    
    Mike

    One other thing, Mike.  Since your aforementioned 1976 St. John's
    title, Leominster has won 1 State baseball title and at least 2 (and I
    believe as many as 4) Super bowls.
    
    Mark.

    I believe St. Johns has won 4 Bowls as well since 1980.  I'll see your
    4 Bowls and raise you at least as many Hockey titles, which was always
    LHS's Achilles heel.  
    
    From '76 to '80 alone (my 4 years), St. Johns won 3 District III titles
    (including a triple OT thriller over Hudson in '77), and made it to the
    State Finals in '78 and '79.  In '78 we lost to St. Johns of Danbury
    7-6 in double OT thriller.  They were up 6-1 with 7 minutes left in the
    3rd period and we rallied to tie it.  After we made it 6-4, the Danbury
    coach pulled their goalie due to shell shock, but we were on a roll. 
    We missed some golden chances in both OT's to win the State Title.  In '79 
    we lost to Matignon 6-4.  We *OWNED* Worcestor County Hockey back then.  
    We would've 4-peated if it wasn't for Hudson ending their reign in '76.  
    St. Peters was our only real competition in District hockey back then.  We 
    played Bobby Carpenter and St. Johns of Danbury once each year of our 
    title runs.  We had a couple kids who could skate with him and were just 
    as good.  I'm surprised none of them gave the NHL a shot.
    
    '77 was our best football year where we beat Fitchburg for the District
    III title at Doyle Field in Leominster.  We whupped the Red Raiders
    twice that year.  The Blue Devils had a down year that year.  We
    whupped them at Doyle Field too on the 2nd game of the season.  Ron
    Darling was the QB that year.
    
    '78 and '79 were our best basketball outings.  In '78 we upset Holy
    Name and Dwayne McLain (of Villanova fame) for the District title.  We
    lost a nailbiter to Lexington during the Eastern bracket of the state
    playoffs.  '79 we lost to Holy Name in the District title game and they
    went on to lose to Ewing and Cambridge R&L in the finals.  We had 2
    7-footers on our team, but they made George Muresan look like Hakeem.
    
    '76 was the last State Baseball title I know of.  St. Johns, St.
    Peters, and Leominster were always fighting it out for Worcestor & 
    District III dominance in baseball.  Ron Darling was the exalted
    flamethrower during this era.
    
    Of course, we won 3 District III titles in a row in hockey.  Leominster
    was our biggest rival here too.
    
    ah the memories!
    Mike

    
    
    
    > ....In '78 we lost to St. Johns of Danbury ...
    
    
    	St. John's Prep of Danvers. Geez Mike, has the desert heat so
    scrambled your brains that you forgot all your Mass. geography.
    
    	You're lucky John Hendry didn't see the butchery you've inflicted
    upon his alma mater! :-)
    
    JimH
    
    

    I knew the right name.  If I felt they deserved the proper name, I
    would've entered.

    
    sorry but hudson beat st. johns in 77, and then lost to matigon 4-2
    in springfield. in 78 hudson beat burlington 4-3 in ot in the boston
    gardens, Mark Chiasson who works for dec scored the winning goal. 
    Hudsons still the last public school to win the Div 1 state title.
    That triple ot game had to be finished the next afternoon. 
    My brother played on both teams 77&78.
    
    			ED
    
    
    
    

    Ed, yeah you're right now that I clear some of the cobwebs off.  I'm
    not sure why I thought the Pioneers won it, but I do remember treking
    back up to Orchard Hills on Saturday to finish the final OT.  
    
    Mike

    Remember when Orchard Hills had ice!!!!!  Just a wooden floor these
    days.

Anyone from Hudson remember the Poor Farm Lounge (an real dive in an
old barn-type structure).  I remember somebody painted the side of the
building with a big congrats to to Hudson hockey team in '78.   

I think one of my boyhood pals was on that team - Steve Shea.   And Ed Rand's
brother was Tommy???   ( I went to Assabet, so I didn't really care about
H.H.S. hockey). 

    North Middlesex 53
    Wachusett	    13
    
    North Middlesex totally dominated this game jumping on Wachusett
    on the Second play from Scrimage.  (Jesse Aubin 50yd td interception.)
    Wachusett couldn't stop North Middlesex once.  At the half the score
    was 40-13.    Touchdowns for NM; J Aubin, O'loughlin, Ruggles (2),
    Piper, Dawson (2), Grieder.
    
    Milford at home this Friday.
    
    Steve
                                             

    I ain't from Hudson, but I sure remember the Poor Farm pub.  What a
    place.  Ranks right up there with those other top notch pubs in Hudson;
    Bar Lunch, Mansion House, Billy Jack's.

    Hey Jim Halpin:  remember this predisction from last week?
    
    	Xaverian 41, Malden Catholic 6
    
    Looks like I was giving your old alma mater too much credit!!!
    The final score was:
    
    	Xaverian 48, Malden Catholic 8
    
    NAZZ

    
    
    >Hey Jim Halpin:  remember this predisction from last week?
    >
    >	Xaverian 41, Malden Catholic 6
    >
    >Looks like I was giving your old alma mater too much credit!!!
    >The final score was:
    >
    >	Xaverian 48, Malden Catholic 8
    
    
    	BS!!! You obviously didn't think we had enough talent to
    get a 2-point conversion!!! Well, we showed you!!!! :-(
    
    JimH - who is a St. John's of Shrewbury (sic) fan this week!!!!
    
    
    

    Shrewsbury may be undefeated, but they're goin' down this weekend!
    
    NAZZ

>    Shrewsbury may be undefeated, but they're goin' down this weekend!
    
  they're not they lost to Fitchburg last week.........

 mike

    
    
>>    Shrewsbury may be undefeated, but they're goin' down this weekend!
>    
>  they're not they lost to Fitchburg last week.........
    
    	Mike,
    
    		You'll have to excuse poor ol'Nazz. I'm afraid his brains
    are a frazzled as Heiser's when it comes to identifying schools. Nazz
    meant St. John of the Shrewbury, not Shrewsbury H.S.
    
    		I'll stop by Nazz' office and *try* to explain the
    difference to him, but I'll make no guarantees about succeeding.
    
    JimH
    

    So how is the best St. Johns in Mass. doing so far this year?  What's
    the importance of this week?
    
    thanks,
    Mike

    
    
    >So how is the best St. Johns in Mass. doing so far this year?  What's
    >the importance of this week?
    
    
    	St. John of the Shrew is 3-0 so far this year, ranked second in 
    Central Mass Div 1 (Still using the old Super Bowl format, which EMASS
    abandoned a few years ago for the meaningless 1-A & 1-B bowl format)
    They are behind No. Middlesex, and are the only two undeated Div 1
    teams.
    
    	St. John of the Shrew plays NAZZ's 'X' high school this weekend.
    
    JimH
    
    

    Xaverian is 2-1, having lost its opener to a team from CT by a point,
    and destroying Don Bosco and the hapless Malden Catholic by about 40
    points each the last two weeks.
    
    NAZZ
    
    PS - Many thanks to JimH for explaining to me the difference between
    St John's of Shrewsbury and Shrewsbury HS.  My mother always said it's
    important to learn one new thing every day.

    
    St Johns of Shrewsbury will be at North Middlesex on 10/14.
    
    Should be a good game.   Last year I believe NM won by 1 point
    at St Johns.
    
    Steve

    As a kid I used to play where Xaverian Bros is now.  There was a big
    mansion and we'd make trips for apples.  The big joy was when either
    the caretaker (whoever he was) or the cops would arrive.
    
    The caretaker used to take potshots with a shotgun loaded with
    rocksalt.  One of my biggest disappointments was that he stopped using
    the shotgun just before my first run.
    
    Some overprotective parent probably complained on the sly about his kid
    coming home with an ass full of rocksalt.

    
    North Middlesex 44
    Milford         36
    
    The first have had Milford going into the locker room with a lead.
    Both teams came out and started to light up the scoreboard.  With 
    less than a minute to go Milford had the ball at the NM 4yd line.
    Bad snap and NM recovered the fumble.
    
    St Johns next week at North Middlesex.
    
    

    
    
        Athol Red Raiders beat there arch rivals Ware Indians this weekend
    20-18. All that stands in the way now is East Longmeadow High. To a
    trip too there 2nd Western Mass Div II Super Bowl in a row.
    
    
    
    chap

In other HS grid news:

Not that I follow it closely, but I guess that Chelmsford
HS went a long way toward capturing another Merrimack
Valley Conference title by beating Lowell High Friday
night.  Seems that Lowell has a great team thised year,
and this game was labeled critical.

=Bob=

    So who won the Catholic bowl?

    
      St. John's got crushed by Xaverian.

        The game of the week in Central Mass could be the rematch of
    	last years Division 2, Central Mass Super Bowl:
    
    		     St. Peter Marian {3-0}
    		             at
    		     Oakmont Regional {4-0}
    
    	Last year, St. Peter Marian escaped WPI with the title and
    	this year it could be the same two schools in December!  Does
    	anyone have any information/stats on St. Peters this season.
    	Oakmont has a great defense, allowing only a avg. of 4 points
    	and it's offense avgerages 33 points a game.  If you like High
    	School Football take a ride out to the country side . . . It 
    	should be a great one.

    
    		The Oakmont Spartans beat St. Peter Marian {the best
    		team in Central Mass, Div. II}, 22-14 on Saturday.
    		Oakmont won the game with strong defensive plays and
    		power running in between the tackles with Shane Smith,
    		Ben Linnus, and Matt Nelson.  Oakmont has another tough
    		game this weekend against neighbor Fitchburg.  Fitchburg
    		leads the series 3-2!  Oh, and by the way Oakmont stopped
    		St. Peter Marian's 24 game win streak!

Yabut, the much vaunted Xaverian couldn't beat the 
red/black scum of Brockton High Saturday.  I think
it was a 3 point victory for Brockton.

Thanks, NAZZ.

    
>Yabut, the much vaunted Xaverian couldn't beat the 
>red/black scum of Brockton High Saturday.  I think
>it was a 3 point victory for Brockton.
    
    	Brockton gave up 21 points in the 1st period to Xaverian, and the
    coach decided to stick in a Sophmore running back. The kid ended up
    running for ***!!!406!!!*** yards.
    
    	Yiicks!!! NAZZ did you end up going to the game???
    
    JimH
    
    

    Did Harris (the aforementioned Boxer running back) have an older
    brother that was also a stud?  I seem to remember a "Harris" who ran up
    some unconscious numbers a few years back for Brockton.
    
    Mark.

    
     This Harris was Peter. The other was Rudy who along with Darnell
    Campbell made up probably the best backfield ever in the state. Not
    sure if the two are related. I do know that a matchup with New Bed-
    ford, and their great running back JoJo Goodine, is now that much
    more interesting. I may even trek down form Worcester County.

    
    North Middlesex 41
    St Johns of Shrewsbury 14
    
    	North Middlesex now 5-0 rolled over St Johns.  Total team
    effort.  
    
    	North Middlesex travels to Shrewsbury on Friday.

    
    		Is there anyone in Division I, Mid-Wach league 
    		who could possibly upset North Middlesex?  I see
    		them winning the league and the Super Bowl again.
    		How many years in a row has Middlesex made Super
    		Bowl appearances?  Some of the Middlesex players took
    		interest in the St. Peters/Oakmont game Saturday even
    		though they don't play neither team.  
    

    
    
    re: .1
    
    	If North Middlesex goes to the Super Bowl this year it will be
    their 6th STRAIGHT YEAR!  The tough games will be November 4th against
    Fitchburg and Nov 11th against Leominster.  Then on Thanksgiving
    Fitchburg will play Leominster.  
    
    	North Middlesex has just about locked a bid in the Super Bowl, 
    Fitchburg or Leominster should be the opposition.  
    
    	

                    CENTRAL MASS FOOTBALL RATINGS

    TEAM	   RECORD	RATING		NEXT OPPONENT
    DIVISION I
    N. Middlesex     5-0         15.20          Shrewsbury
    Leominster       4-1          9.60          St. John's
    Fitchburg        3-2          7.60          Oakmont
    St. John's       3-2          7.20          Leominster
    Milford          2-3          5.60          Algonquin
    Marlboro         2-3          4.80          Wachusett
    Holy Name        2-3          4.40          Doherty
    Wachusett        2-3          4.00          Marlboro
    Doherty          0-5          0.00          Holy Name
    Shrewsbury       0-5          0.00          N. Middlesex
    
    TEAM           RECORD        RATING         NEXT OPPONENT
    DIVISION II
    Algonquin        5-0         14.00          Milford
    Oakmont          5-0         12.40          Fitchburg
    Gardner          4-1         12.40          Westboro
    St. Peter-Marian 3-1         10.50          St. Bernard's
    Burncoat         3-2          8.00          Shepard Hill
    Westboro         3-2          7.80          Gardner
    St. Bernard's    3-3          7.30          St. Peter-Marian
    Shepard Hill     3-2          6.40          Burncoat
    Southbridge      2-3          6.00          Uxbridge
    Nashoba          2-3          5.20          Hudson
    Worc. South      1-5          2.00          Open
    Hudson           1-4          1.80          Nashoba
    Bartlett         0-5          0.00          Tantasqua
    Tantasqua        0-5          0.00          Bartlett
    
    DIVISION III  {Top 8 teams in 24 team divison}
    Clinton          5-0         14.20          Lunenburg
    Leicester        5-0         13.80          Littleton
    Littleton        5-0         12.60          Leicester
    Lunenburg        5-0         12.60          Clinton
    Keefe Tech       5-0         11.20          Bay Path
    Millbury         4-1         10.40          Oxford
    Bay Path         4-1          9.40          Keefe Tech
    David Prouty     3-1-1        9.00          Worc. North
    

    thanks for posting that!
    
    Do teams only play within their division now?  It looks like the old
    Midland League was split up among II and III.  
    
    What's up with Clinton?

    Mike,
    
    	Teams play teams outside of there division. Example Marlboro/Hudson
    on T-day. Playing a team outside your division could hurt/help you
    come Super Bowl time.
    	If you beat a team in your Division it is worth say 2 pts. Beating
    a team in a lower divison is worth only 1.5 pts. For the D2 and D3 teams,
    they can earn 2.5 pts, for beating a team in a higher division.
    	They also try and factor in strength of schedule points. Ex. Team A
    beats Team B. Team B finishes the season at 7-3. Team A would receive
    .5 pts for each of Team B's wins. Whereas if Team A beat Team C and
    Team C went 0-10. Team A would not receive any extra points, because
    Team C didn't win a game.
    	My point system isn't correct, but thats why on Thanksgiving Day.
    If the points are close, 3 or 4 teams usually have a chance of going
    to the SB. If tne right teams win.
    
    Ron

What formula do they use for the ratings

The Crazy Met

 not sure but I think they factor in the size of the school population to draft
 players from. Also I think it's 8 points for a victory in your division, 10
 for a victory above division and 6 for beating a team in a lower division.

 mike

    You get 12 points for a win against a team in a higher division, 10
    against a team in your own division and 8 against a lower division
    team. For every win by a team that you defeat you get an additional 2
    points and 1 for a tie. Add up all of the points and divide by the
    number of games you've played and that should be your rating.
    
    Mike

    Yeah Jim, I was at the Brockton-Xaverian game.  It was a tremendous
    game, but tremendously disappointing to me.  Xaverian's best lineman, a
    6-5 265 lb junior was injured and did not play.  Brockton ran the same
    play 80% of the time, a second man through trap that put their 270 lb
    guard on out 190 lb DE and their 290 lb tackle cracking down on out 210
    lb inside LB.  They ran this play 30 times and Xaverain stopped it
    twice.
    
    Here's a game summary.  Broickton wins the toss, defers, kicks off.
    Xaverian goes 65 years in five plays.  Tim hassleback TD pass.  PAT
    good 7-0.
    
    Brockton takes the kickoff, marches downfield, Harris TD.  PAT blocked.
    7-6.
    
    Xaverian gets the kickoff, runback to midfield.  Four plays, touchdown,
    on a 26 yard run.  PAT - it's a fake!  Holder passes for 2 pt
    conversion!  15-6.
    
    Brockton takes kickoff.  ON third play, Harris goes 60 yards to
    Xaverian 12.  Next play, fullback fumbles, Xaverian recovers.  Second
    play for Xaverian, Hasslebeck scrambles, hits O'Connor for 76 yd TD
    PAT good.  22-6 Xaverian.  End of quarter as Brockton is marching.
    
    Brockton scores on a Harris 16 yd run after making a 4th and 1
    conversion.  Xaverian had them stopped earlier in the drive, but a
    penalty gave Brockton new life.  PAT - 2 pt try no good.  22-12.
    
    Xaverian fumbles, Brockton throws and interception, halftime.
    
    Brockton takes the 2nd half kickoff, methodically moves downfield for
    TD run (5 yds) by Harris.  Harris stuffed on 2 pt try, in which
    Brockton inexplicably tries a pitchout.  22-18 Xaverian.
    
    Then comes the key sequence of the game.  Xaverian marches downfield.
    Has a 4th and goal at Brockton 2.  Ignore FG, go for TD.  Hasslebeck
    fakes handoff, rolls left, easy TD.  but NO!  Ref calls X for holding!
    TD disallowed, it's now 4th and 12.  Again no FG.  Hasslebeck scrambles
    passes in desperation to FB, who carries 4 defenders the last 5 yds to
    end zone, but because his back was turned ref rules ball didn't cross
    the plane, no TD.  Probably a good call.  
    
    ]Brockton then marches 99 yds for TD.  Included in this drive is one of
    two passes they complete on the day, a center screen that they called
    right after a sack.  It went for 46 yards.  Harris scored again.  Again
    they go for 2.  Again they pitch to Harris.  Again he gets stuffed, but
    Brockton now has the lead 24-22.
    
    Xaverian throws an interception, Brockton fumbles (not Harris). 
    Xaverian, on 4th and 4 from their own 46 with 6 1/2 minutes left in
    game, punts.  Terrible idea.  Brockton marches for a TD from Harris
    again, who on a 3rd and 8 from his own 17 goes for 15 yds.  to start
    drive, then finishes it with a 12 yd run.  PAT kick good 31-22.
    
    Xaverian gets the ball with 4+ minutes left.  They complete two passes,
    then Hasslebeck throws an interception.  I start to leave, but roughing
    the passer called.  X gets a break finally.  Four plays later, TD run.
    PAT good, 3:01 left 31-29 Brockton.
    
    X to kick off Brockton expects onsides kick. ten men up.  X kicks deep.
    the deep man has no clue, he lets ball roll!!!!!  X rushes after it as
    the ball keeps rolling deep in Brockton territory toward the sideline.
    Ball rolls OB at Brockton 1 yd line as a mass of players try to recover
    it.  Brockton then runs out the clock with Harris (35 carries, 406
    yds!!!!).  Final score 31-29 Brockton.
    
    NAZZ

    
    >> Xaverian's best lineman, a 6-5 265 lb junior was injured and did not play.  
    >> Brockton ran the same play 80% of the time, a second man through trap that 
    >> put their 270 lb guard on out 190 lb DE and their 290 lb tackle cracking 
    >> down on out 210 lb inside LB.  
    
       The size on these kids is scary. It wasn't all that long ago that
       these kids would have been big for pros. I read a piece on Chelms-
       ford the other day and while they traditionally have big linemen,
       this year's kids are huge. They average about 270. Frightening.

    
    
    
    	Geez, NAZZ. You sure you didn't go to the Pitt/W. Virginia game by
    accident???
    
      JimH :-)
    

    Don't worry Tommy.  We'll hold your hand so you won't be skeert.

    When I played football in High School (1970 - 73) I was 6', 175 lbs, and
    played the offensive and defensive lines.  I wish I was the size I am 
    today (still 6', but 225lbs (ripplin' mussle of course:-))).  The "stud"
    on any team was aither a real quick back or somone who was semi-quick
    and weighed over 230 lbs.  You look at the Parade All-Americans and
    most of the O and D linemen are over 300lbs.  Chemicals in the meat and
    milk I guess.
    
    UMDan 

    re: .305    
    
    Mike,
    
    A few years ago the Midland league and the Wachusett league merged to
    become the MidWach league.
    
    RTG

    Go Blue Devils!!!!
    
    Mark.

    Good to hear we have the home field!  GO PIONEERS!  WHUP THEM STANKY
    CHEESE PINK DEVILS!

    
    
         Bandwagon Jumper!!!! :-)
    
    
    Isn't Tombstone High playing Tumbleweed Tech this weekend?
    
    
    Chap

    
    			Fitchburg	31
    	                                    Final
    			Oakmont		28
    
    	Oakmont won physically, but 3 key turnovers in crucial
    	areas of the field costed them the game.  Fitchburg had
    	a 24-0 lead in the 3rd quarter but the Oakmont players 
    	didn't quit and played with alot of desire.  You Leominster
    	fans need to take away Fitchburg's passing attack and you 
    	will win on Turkey Day this year.  Fitchburg's defense is
    	not very good and you can run to the defensive right side 
    	all day!  Fitchburg has two quick wide-outs and a quarterback
    	who throws the ball very well.  Oakmont's Matt Nelson continues
    	to lead the offense { 20 carries for 238 yards, 3 TD'S }. 
    	Oakmont now plays Algonquin this Saturday and the winner of this
    	game should win the Mid-Wach B title and get a birth to the 
    	Super Bowl!

    North Middlesex 48
    Shrewsbury      22
    
    	North Middlesex rolled again to a victory. The game was over early
    and at the half the score was NM 34 Sh 0.  Scot Ruggles had a good
    night passing.
    
    	Next is Marlboro at home Friday night.   
    
    Steve

    Merrimack	    23
    Pinkerton Acad  19
    
    This was a huge upset for Merrimack.  It not only ended what would
    have been the longest winning streak for a high school football team
    in the state, but it also got the P.A. jinx off of Merrimack's back.
    
    
    billl

    Congrats to the Blew Devils.

    Mike, always knew you weren't main enough to belly up.  Welcher. 
    Cheat.
    
    Mark.

    what are you talking about?

    So where's the game report?

    SPEAK LOUDER, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU!

            <<< Note 16.328 by FRETZ::HEISER "LHS Blue Devils #1" >>>

    >So where's the game report?
    
    See 132.701.
    
    Mark.

    Now why would a Mass. high school game report be in the AZ Cards'
    topic?

    See the Boston Globe...
    

    the Pony Express hasn't arrived yet.

                        CENTRAL MASS. SUPER BOWL RATINGS
			 {Top 5 teams in each division}
    
    TEAM		RECORD		RATING		NEXT OPPONENT
    DIVISION I
    North Middlesex     6-0-0           15.33           Marlboro
    Leominster          5-1-0           11.00           Brockton
    Fitchburg           4-2-0           10.00           Wachusett
    Milford             3-3-0            8.00           Westboro
    Marlboro            3-3-0            6.67           North Middlesex
    
    DIVISION II         
    Algonquin           5-1-0           12.50           Oakmont
    St. Peter-Marian    4-1-0           12.00           Shepard Hill
    Oakmont             5-1-0           11.33           Algonquin
    Gardner             4-2-0           11.00           Nashoba
    Westboro            4-2-0            9.67           Milford
    
    DIVISION III
    Clinton		6-0-0           15.83           Narragansett
    Leicester           6-0-0           15.17           Grafton
    Keefe Tech          6-0-0           13.00           Ashland
    Littleton           5-1-0  		11.83           Lunenburg
    Millbury            5-1-0           11.50           Auburn
    

                     <<< Note 16.334 by WMOIS::BUCKLEY_M >>>
                          -< 1994 Super Bowl Ratings >-

                        CENTRAL MASS. SUPER BOWL RATINGS
			 {Top 5 teams in each division}
    
>    TEAM		RECORD		RATING		NEXT OPPONENT
>    DIVISION I
>    North Middlesex     6-0-0           15.33           Marlboro
>    Leominster          5-1-0           11.00           Brockton
>    Fitchburg           4-2-0           10.00           Wachusett
>    Milford             3-3-0            8.00           Westboro
>    Marlboro            3-3-0            6.67           North Middlesex
    
    If LHS (likely) loses to Brockton and Fitchburg beats Wachusett, would
    Leominster still maintain 2nd place given that LHS and FHS would have
    identical records and given the relative difficulty of the opponent?
    
    Regardless, the Thanksgiving game would likely determine who plays North
    Middelsex for the Bowl.
    
    Mark.

    Lemontown has a 5-1 record for an 11 point ave or 66 total points
    If they lose to Brockton they will still have 66 points in 7 games.
    
    Fitchburg is 4-2 with a 10 point ave or 60 total points.  A win over
    Wach. gets them 10 + points for every Wach win or at least 70 total
    points if Wach is winless.
    
    Fitchburg would jump ahead of Lemontown.
    
    HTH
    Jimbo

    
    North Middlesex plays Fitchburg on 11/4 and 
    Leominster on 11/11.
    
    Who knows what could happen!

    I'd have to check my daughter's student ticket again, but I think
    Leominster plays  both  Brockton (Oct. 28th)  and North Middlesex
    (Nov. 11) at home.
    
    John

    Glad to see Lemonstaah(tm) still has a shot at it!

    
    	North Middlesex's Super Bowl opponent will have a record 
    	of 7 wins & 3 losses unless there is a upset along the 
    	way!  It has been NM, Leominster, and Fitchburg every year
    	in the Superbowl for awhile now . . . what could be done to
    	get some new teams in there!  North Middlesex is a powerhouse
    	and deserves to play but how does a team with a 7-3 record make
    	the Superbowl?
    

    ...in keeping with the bet

    			OAKMONT REGIONAL        25
                                                  Final
    			ALGONQUIN REGIONAL      13
    
    	Oakmont improves its record to 5-1 {2-0 in division} with
    	a win over Algonquin Saturday.  It was a physical game, keyed 
    	with a tough defensive stand early in the 4th quarter.  Oakmont
    	held Algonquin on four downs from the 3 yard line when the score
    	was 19-13.  Matt Nelson had 20 carries for 180 yards and 2 TD'S,
    	Ben Linnus had a rushing TD and a TD reception.  Oakmont plays
    	Westboro at home this Saturday.  If Oakmont wins the last three
    	games which are all divisional games {Westboro, Nashoba, Gardner}
    	they will win the Mid-Wach B title and get a berth to the Div. II
    	Superbowl.      
    		

    North Middlesex 42
    Marlboro	    18
    
    Patriots dominated from the beginning.  The game was put away early,
    at half the score was 35-6 NM.  NM had 339 yards rushing on 33 carries.
    My stepson, Jason O'loughlin, had 179 yards - 2tds on 7 carries.
    Touchdown runs of 78 (paper says 70) and 73 yards.
    
    Next Friday night at Fitchburg!

    AND THESE GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE #1?!!!

    	I was shocked on Friday night.  With over 7 minutes left in
    the game and Brockton having scored less than 40 points, Columbo
    pulled his offensive starters out of the game.  Guess he's taking
    the game with New Bedford seriously.  Hey Heiser, would you like
    to know the score of the Leominster/St. John's game last week?
    
    				/Don

    		CENTRAL MASS SUPERBOWL RATINGS {Top 5 teams only}
    TEAM		RECORD		RATING		NEXT OPPONENT
    DIVISION I
    North Middlesex     7-0-0           16.29           Fitchburg
    Fitchburg           5-2-0           11.43           North Middlesex
    Leominster          5-2-0            9.71           Milford
    Milford             4-3-0            9.43           Leominster
    Holy Name           4-3-0            6.29           St. Peter-Marian
    
    DIVISION II
    Oakmont             6-1-0           13.43           Westboro
    St. Peter-Marian    5-1-0           13.33           Holy Name
    Algonquin           5-2-0           11.29           Hudson
    Gardner             4-3-0           10.00           Wachusett
    Westboro            4-3-0            8.86           Oakmont
    
    DIVISION III
    Clinton	 	7-0-0           16.43           Littleton
    Leicester           7-0-0           15.57           Millbury
    Keefe Tech          7-0-0           14.57           Marian
    Lunenburg           6-1-0           13.00           Narragansett
    David Prouty        5-1-1           11.71           Grafton
    

    			LEADING SCORERS IN CENTRAL MASS
    				   {Top 10}
    
    NAME, SCHOOL		TD	2P	1P	FG	TP
    Jerry Azumah, SPM           17       3       0       0     108
    Matt Nelson, Oakmont        16       1       0       0      98
    Matt Gentile, Tantasqua     12       1       0       0      74
    Jerry Peterson, Ware        11       4       0       0      74
    Damiann Dalrymple, Kill     12       0       0       0      72
    Chris Bordeau, Ware          7       3      13       2      67
    Adam LaFleche, SHill        11       0       0       0      66
    Scot Ruggles, NM            10       3       0       0      66
    Jason Wilson, Lunenburg     10       1       0       0      62
    Andy St. Peter, Murdock      9       4       0       0      62
    
    

    None of these schools would have a prayer against a Phoenix area 5A or
    4A school.

    >>None of these schools would have a prayer against a Phoenix area 5A or 
    >>4A school.
      
    What kind of a lame statement is that to make.  Especially since you
    know damn good and well that no high school team from the East Coast
    will ever play any high school team from your neck of the woods.
    
    Or are you just trying to show us how many bandwagons you can jump
    on and off of with out twisting your ankle?
    
    
    billl  

    It's the kind of razzin that gets folks like you riled up everytime.

    
     >>  -< Does Mass have any nationally ranked teams? >-
    
         No and neither does Phoenix. According to USA Today the highest
         ranked team from Phoenix is South Mountain which ranks 10th in
         the West. The highest ranked team from Mass is New Bedford which
         ranks *5th* in the East. New Bedford and Brockton and possibly
         Walpole could play any one from Phoenix and hold their own or
         better.
        

    From today's USA TODAY:  Arizona nor Massachusetts have a top 25
    ranked team.  BUT.  From the reginal rankings:
    
    South Mountain, Phoenix (8-0) is ranked 10th in the West.
    New Bedford, Mass (7-0) is ranked 5th in the east.
    
    Looks like New Bedford is ranked higher than AZ! 8^)
    
    

Just for ha-has, could someone post who's ranked......

    yeah but the Western desert rats are bigger and tougher than those
    Eastern pansies.

    
    
      The USA Today High School Football Top 25
    
    
       1) Bishop Amat, La Puente, Calif.
       2) Miami Southridge
       3) Central Catholic, Allentown, Pa.
       4) Cooper, Abilene, Texas
       5) Bergen Catholic, Oradell, NJ
       6) John Curtis, River Ridge, La.
       7) De La Salle, Concord, Calif
       8) Hazelwood East, St. Louis
       9) Midwest City, Okla.
      10) Louisville Male
      11) Douglas Byrd, Fayetteville, NC
      12) Riverdale, Murfreesboro, Tenn
      13) Colquitt County, Moultrie, Ga.
      14) Central Bucks West, Doylestown, Pa.
      15) Euclid, Ohio
      16) Annadale, Va.
      17) Downers Grove (Ill.) South
      18) Los Alamitos, Calif.
      19) Boulder, Colo.
      20) Prosser, Wash.
      21) St. Louis, Honolulu
      22) Penn, Mishawaka, Ind.
      23) Jenks, Okla.
      24) Berkeley, Moncks Corner, SC
      25) Shades Valley, Birmingham, Ala
    

    1.	Bishiop Amat, La Puenta, CA 8-0
    2.	Miami Southridge 8-0
    3. 	Central Catholic, Allentown PA 9-0
    4.	Cooper, Abilene, TX 8-0
    5.	Bergen Catholic, Oradell, NJ 6-0
    6.	John Curtis, River Ridge, LA 7-0
    7.	De La Salle, Concord, CA 8-0
    8. 	Hazelwood East, St Louis 9-0
    9.	Midwest City, OK  9-0
    10.	Louisville Male	10-0
    11.	Douglas Byrd, Fayetteville NC 9-0
    12.	Riverdale, Murfreesboro, TN 9-0
    13.	Colquitt County, Moultrie, Ga 8-0
    14.	Central Bucks West, Doylestown, PA 9-0
    15.	Euclid OH 9-0
    16.	Annandale, VA 8-0
    17.	Downers Grove IL South 10-0
    18.	Los Alamitos, CA 8-0
    19.	Boulder, CO 9-0
    20.	Prosser, WA 8-0
    21.	St Louis, Honolulu HI 10-0
    22.	Penn, Mishawaka, IN 10-0
    23.	Jenks, OK 9-0
    24. Berkeley, Moncks Corner SC 10-0
    25.	Shades Valley, Birmingham, AL 9-0

>                       -< don't mess with Texas either >-
>
>    yeah but the Western desert rats are bigger and tougher than those
>    Eastern pansies.
    
    We went through this last year, when it was concluded that Danny 
    White is the all-time best football player from Arizona (real, not 
    imagined).  Don't be lumping that mediocre Arizona football in with 
    other legit western/midwestern states like Texas or California.  
    Massachusetts-Arizona might be a decent matchup, but certain 
    medium-sized counties in Pennsylvania could field teams that'd send 
    the all-time 'Zona team back home to Phoenix, cryin' to momma...
    
    glenn
     

Couple of Catholic schools in that list.  Guess them Catholics can
play some mean football 8^)

    >>It's the kind of razzin that gets folks like you riled up everytime.
    
    
    	Riled up? Not hardly.  Just callin' a meaningless chest-puffer
    	when I see one.
    
    
    	billl

    
      Hey SMiller, stop following me around!

    
    
    No Florida teams on that list....
    
    Seems that all of the big-time Division 1-A college programs have at
    least one star from that state on their team. Miami, FSU, and Florida
    all recruit locally. Seems like an odd omisiion.
    
    

>    We went through this last year, when it was concluded that Danny 
>    White is the all-time best football player from Arizona (real, not 
    
    Maybe you determined that.  Darren Woodson, the Cowboys DB, from
    Maryvale H.S. via ASU is staking a very good claim to that.  That dude
    can HIT!
    
    Frank Kush put as many Droods in the NFL as any other big-time NCAA coach.
    A decent percentage of them were locals too.

>    2.	Miami Southridge 8-0
    
    is this FL or OH?
    

>    Frank Kush put as many Droods in the NFL as any other big-time NCAA coach.
    
    Non-fact.  I'm sure that Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, John McKay, Woody
    Hayes, Barry Switzer, Darrell Royal, Tom Osborne, Bo Schembechler and 
    a couple dozen other coaches would be interested in knowing just where
    all those Droods disappeared to...
    
    glenn
    

    
      Miami Southridge is a Fla. team. Still, only one Fla. team?

>    Non-fact.  I'm sure that Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, John McKay, Woody
>    Hayes, Barry Switzer, Darrell Royal, Tom Osborne, Bo Schembechler and 
>    a couple dozen other coaches would be interested in knowing just where
>    all those Droods disappeared to...
    
    Glenn, look at all the ASU alums in the NFL from the '60s up to now and
    you'll gain some perspective.  I never said anything about greatness or
    badness.  I said they contributed as much as any other program to NFL
    rosters.  To see where they are today and where they were in the '70s
    is a downright shame.
    
    Mike

    Mike Haynes is currently eligible for the HoF.  Did he go to ASU or
    USC?

    
    	Isn't he from CU?

    The Colorado Michael Haynes is a different one, the recent one.  I'm
    pretty sure that the great Michael Haynes was from California but did
    go to ASU.  Considering that he made the NFL's 75th Anniversery
    All-Time team, I'd have to say that he's the best player ever from
    Arizona St, if not the state of Arizona itself.
    
    glenn
    

    Thanks Glenn.  The entry in -1 was truly worthy of Art Neuvo Crow Cafe.

    
    North Middlesex 35
    Fitchburg	     7
    
    A very close game in the first half.  NM first score was in the 2nd
    on a Fitchburg fumble in the end zone.  14-0 at half.
    The game was a power game of a lot of punts and turnovers by both
    sides.

    
    Cuyahoga Falls 17
    Stow 14
    
    Overtime.
    
    My Alma Mater might make the state playoffs for the first time I
    can remember...

    
    >Cuyahoga Falls 17
    
    	What's the school nickname? "The Flaming Cataracts"
    
    JimH :-)
    
    
    

    
    Tigers.
    
    And the part of the Cuyahoga that burned was nowhere near the Falls,
    where the Cuyahoga is quite clean and a popular swimming spot in
    the summer.
    
    Joe

    
      St John's Prep 35 
      St John's (S)   0

    
    Friday night at Leominster.
    
    

>      St John's Prep 35 
>      St John's (S)   0
                 ^^^


What does the S stand for?

S = Shewsbury.....

thnx

    		    CENTRAL MASS SUPERBOWL RATINGS
                    {top 5 teams in each division}
    
    TEAM	      RECORD          RATING          NEXT OPPONENT
    DIVISION I
    North Middlesex   8-0-0           17.25           Leominster
    Leominster        6-2-0           11.00           North Middlesex
    Fitchburg         5-3-0           10.50           Westboro
    Milford           4-4-0            8.50           Marlboro
    Marlboro          4-4-0            6.50           Milford
    
    DIVISION II
    St. Peter-Marian  6-1-0           14.86           Doherty
    Oakmont           7-1-0           14.50           Nashoba
    Algonquin         6-2-0           12.12           Holy Name
    Gardner           5-3-0           11.25           Clinton
    Nashoba           5-3-0            9.50           Oakmont
    
    DIVISION III
    Clinton           8-0-0           17.63           Gardner
    Leicester         8-0-0           16.47           Boston Catholic
    Keefe Tech        8-0-0           15.75           Monty Tech
    Lunenburg         7-1-0           13.63           Murdock
    David Prouty      6-1-1           12.75           Millbury
    
    *****  The Superbowl games will be held on Saturday Dec. 3rd at WPI.
    

    It's really unfortunate that you could have the following scenarios
    play out for Super Saturday:
    
    Division I:  A team with 3 losses may play against NM
    Divison III: A team that goes undefeated may not play in a bowl.
    
    Is this divisonal alignment the best way to handle who goes to the
    bowls and who stays home?  Why not have three games, but take the top 6
    rated teams across the board, rather then the top 2 in each division.
    
    Just wondering....RTG

>>>        <<< Note 16.388 by MSBCS::GALVIN "R.T. Galvin, PKO2 223-2625" >>>

>>>    ...  Why not have three games, but take the top 6
>>>    rated teams across the board, rather then the top 2 in each division.

       There is a much graeter disparity between division than most people 
       imagine, in my opinion.  

       In general I would guess that there might be overlap of ability about 
       half-way up the table of the next division up, i.e. a top D2 team would 
       beat the lower teams in D1, but would have a tough go of it against a 
       team in the upper quarter of D1.

       Clark

    	It is unfortunate for a team like Keefe Tech who will could
    	go undefeated, win the Colonial Division, and still won't get
    	a Superbowl berth.  In 1991, Oakmont had one of there better 
    	teams in the history of the school . . . they won there division
    	but still didn't get to play in the Superbowl.  Oakmont crushed the
    	two teams {Bartlett & Hudson} who played in the Superbowl that 
    	year.  The reason being is that the MIAA went to a 11 game schedule
    	that year and the only team available for Oakmont to play was 
    	Division III Monty Tech.  Oakmont received 8 points for beating the
    	team in a lower division and Tech went winless the rest of the year
    	so Oakmont lost out on mega-rating points.  With this current
    	system, the best team doesn't always represent there Division in
    	the Superbowl.  How often does Keefe Tech have a Superbowl caliber
    	team?  It may take another 5 to 15 years for a small school like
    	Keefe Tech to reach the Superbowl again.  As it stands now there
    	are:  10 teams in DIV. I, 13 teams in DIV. II, 24 teams in DIV III.
    	Why doesn't the MIAA make a fourth division and let some of the
    	smaller/weaker football programs get a feel of what it is like to 
    	play in the Superbowl?  
    

    
    	Records within MID-WACH Division 1:
    
    	North Middlesex 5-0
        Leominster 	4-0 (v North Middlesex Friday night)
        Fitchburg	4-1 (v Fitchburg on Turkey Day)
    
    	If North Middlesex beats Leominster on Friday night then the
    Thanksgiving day game between Leominster and Fitchburg decides who goes
    to the SuperBowl against NM.  If LHS beats NM Friday night then things
    will get interesting.
    
    
    Steve

    re: Fitchburg       4-1 (v Fitchburg on Turkey Day)
    
    	Should read (v Leominster on Turkey Day)
    
    sorry

    What got in the water at Clinton?  Or did they stop spiking it?

    
  >> What got in the water at Clinton?  Or did they stop spiking it?
    
     The general consensus is that certain less-than-manly types have
     moved west and the local gene pool is stronger because of it. As a
     result we (the town, not me and the kids) managed to win the state
     baseball title in '93 and are now on course for the SB. 

    Nah that can't be.  You're still there getting the fathers drunk.

Mikey... I am probably mistaken, but didn't you lose a p-name bet?  ;)


Just wondering,

Greg

    Perhaps there was a trade with the Cubs but I'm not sure which nl club
    he roots for.

    
      re .396
    
      Actually, Mike it's been 16 years since Clowntown last went to the
      Super Bowl so we were due. The enrollment of the school has shrunk
      to the point where we're a divsion III school and no longer play
      the schools that were our rivals when I was there (Shrewsbury, West-
      boro, Algonquin, Milford, etc.). This year was actually the first 
      time in I think 4 years that they beat Nashoba our most bitter
      rival from the neigboring towns of Bolton, Lancaster and Stow.

    Where is the LHS/FHS T-Day game this year?
    
    Mark.

    Hey Tommy,
    
    It's about you stirred something up in this file.  I remember those
    days at Nashoba, kicking Clinton's butts all the way back to High St.
    
    Of course, this is coming from a non-player.  In those days, iffn you
    didn't go 190, you didn't go out for football.  I was barely tipping
    the scales at 150.  But we did win 30 in a row, ending when I as a
    freshman.  Nashoba still has a decent team, and with school choice, has
    not had to drop to Div III due to low enrollment.
    
    Good luck to the Gaels, but stay outta Bolton!
    
    RTG

    
    North Middlesex 29
    Leominster 	    15
    
    Leominster jumped on North Middlesex early 60 td pass and a long 
    drive put them up 15-0.  NM looked flat! NM Scored on a long drive
    right before the half to make it 15-7.  
    Second half was all NM!  NM Scored early in the 3rd to make it 15-15.
    On the kick off Leominster fumbled.  A few plays late it was 22-15 NM.
    
    NM plays the winner of Fitchburg / Leominster on Turkey day for the 
    Super Bowl.
    
    
    

Don't have exact scores, but:

New Bedford 	   40  (?)
Brockton    	   28  (?)

Xaverian Brothers  28
Chelmsford         21

    RE: -.1
    
    It was a cold night game time temp they said was 38.  I stayed the 
    whole night and froze my butt off!  My step-son plays for NM so it
    really wasn't that bad.
      
    Once NM got momentum it was over.  Besides LHS's qb Rackasak (sp?)
    Number 34 John Miller is a very good runner with speed.

    way to go Blew Devils(tm)!

    How are the Mass. state soccer playoffs shaping up?
    
    call me curious

      
    	How about a discussion on High School "Thanksgiving Day Games?"  
    	For the teams that are not in Super Bowl contention, Thanksgiving   
    	Day is their Super Bowl game and for most seniors they will be 
    	"strapping" it up for the last time.  I think most states have done
    	away with the Thanksgiving Day games but I for one would rather see
    	Massachusetts stick with the Turkey Day games than go to a playoff
    	system!  DISCUSS how long your High School that you either attended
    	or that is in your city has been playing the rival game.  What is 
    	the record of the series and anything else you want to mention
    	about the game. 

    RE: Mass state soccer tourney.....EMASS
    
    Boys
    Div 1    Today.......Weymouth  vs.  St. John's Prep
    
    Div 2    Tomorrow....Westford Academy  vs.  Duxbury
    
    Div 3    Today.......Wayland  vs.  Archbishop Williams
    
    Girls
    Div 1 EMASS Final   Marshfield  1  Winchester  0  (OT)
    
    Div 2    Tomorrow....Duxbury  vs.  Masconomet
    
    Div 3    Today.......Pentucket  vs.  Sacred Heart
    
    RTG

    While most towns are doing away with their Turkey Day games, 
    Merrimack HS is starting a tradition.  They are going to play
    Londonderry HS, a long time rival.
    
    
    billl

Londonderry will kick some serious butt.

Is London related to Karen?

�    RE: Mass state soccer tourney.....EMASS
�    
�    Boys
�    Div 1    Today.......Weymouth  vs.  St. John's Prep
    
    Meanwhile, the best St. John's Prep (Shrewsbury) won its 3rd District
    III title in a row last weekend by beating Algonquin.

    
    
    
    	Re: Soccer tourney
    
    
    	I beleive St. John of the Shrew is playing Waconah Regional
    (Dalton) in the other Div 1 semifinal. From memory out of this
    morning's Worcester T&G...
    
    
    JimH
    

    
      So basically, Mikey you already knew about St. John's but
     just wanted someone to post it in here? 

    Does this mean that there could be a State Final Division 1 match of
    St. Johns  vs.  St. Johns?
    
    I'll put my money on St. Johns!!

    yeah I knew.  There's a noter out there who has a son on the St. Johns
    (S) team that keeps me informed.  Since he's so close to the action, he
    doesn't want to subject himself to the abusive soccer haters in here.
    
    St. Johns (S) plays in western Mass tonight against Ludlow.  St. Johns (D) 
    is ranked 7th in the nation (USA Today).  St. Johns (S) has 4 losses, 3 
    against ranked teams: twice to St. Johns (D), once to 11th New Bedford, and
    once to Boston College High.  They've already extracted revenge against
    BC High by beating them 3-0 in Shrewsbury.  
    
    St. Johns (S) is 16-4-1 going into tonight, but they are 13-0-1 against
    Central Mass. teams.  They have 62 goals for and 5 goals against so far
    this season, including both victories over undefeated teams in the
    District playoffs.
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    No soccer hater here.  Never played, but I coach 2 youth teams, and my
    alma mater, Nashoba Regional did win the State Div 2 title a couple
    years back, and was runner-up the year before.
    
    RTG

    Heiser.
    
    Your boys from Shrewsbury lost to Ludlow in the Div 1 Semifinals, 4-2.
    
    Meanwhile, Nashoba Regional girls advanced to the Div finals with a win
    over Springfield Cathedral, 2-1
    
    RTG

    Yeah I heard.  Too bad too since they were up 2-1 at the half.

                MID-WACH High School Football All-Stars
MID-WACH A
    Offense:  Keith Wallace {Wachusett}
              Clarence Yarborough {Fitchburg}
    	      Dan Schneider {Fitchburg}
    	      Todd Steffanidies {Fitchburg}
    	      Mark Brandimarte {Leominster}
              Mike Spinelli {Leominster}
              Bob Raxasack {Leominster}
    	      David Woolacott {North Middlesex}
    	      Dave Razzaboni {North Middlesex}
              Scot Ruggles {North Middlesex}
              Lance Podlesney {Marlboro}
    	      Steve Scioli {Milford}
    	      Joe Gallerani {Milford}
    
    Defense:  Derek Salmi {Leominster}
              Rob DiMarzio {Leominster}
              John Miller {Leominster}
              Justin Grenier {Shrewsbury}
    	      Carl Zschurchen {Shrewsbury}
              Jason Sullivan {Marlboro}
              J.J. Donohue {Marlboro}
    	      Paul Marble {Fitchburg}
    	      Greg Graham {Fitchburg}
    	      Matt Dawson {North Middlesex}
    	      Mike Piper {North Middlesex}
    	      Mike Kelly {Milford}
    	      Murray Bristol {Wachusett}
    
    Offensive MVP:  Scot Ruggles {North Middlesex}
    Defensive MVP:  Mike Piper {North Middlesex}
    
    MID-WACH B
    Offense:  Mike Janikas {Gardner}
              Aaron Laliberte {Gardner}
    	      Jan Stevens {Gardner}
    	      Gerry Topping {Westboro}
    	      Adam Hurley {Westboro}
    	      Sean O'Malley {Westboro}
    	      Chris Hopkins {Westboro}
    	      Jeff Colette {Hudson}
    	      Brian Pochini {Oakmont}
              Matt Nelson {Oakmont}
              Tim O'Day {Oakmont}
    	      Greg Newton {Nashoba}
              Shawn Welch {Nashoba}
      
    Defense:  Shane Smith {Oakmont}
              Paul Collette {Oakmont}
              Ben Linnus {Oakmont}
              Tom Keblin {Nashoba}
              Carlos Cintron {Nashoba}
              Jamie McNamera {Nashoba}
              Matt Schiler {Nashoba}
              Brian Fischer {Westboro}
              Mike Thompson {Westboro}
              Brian Shattuck {Algonquin}
              Jason Gould {Hudson}
    	      Jay Roan {Hudson}
              Randy Brown {Gardner}
    
    Offensive MVP:  Tim O'Day {Oakmont}
    Defensive MVP:  Matt Schiller {Nashoba}
    
    MID-WACH C
    Offense:  Dan Notaro {Clinton}
              Joe Kraft {Clinton}
              Guy Eaton {Clinton}
              Matt Anderson {Clinton}
              Casey Day {Maynard}
              Tom Shelton {Ayer}
              Eric Rivas {Littleton}
              Mike Anderson {Littleton}
              Cliff Bolden {Lunenburg}
              Michael Wright {Lunenburg}
              Jason Wilson {Lunenburg}
              Josh Mason {Narragansett}
              Ryan Woodland {Murdock}
              Andy St.Peter {Murdock}
              
    Defense:  Chris Garvey {Lunenburg}
              Dan Delise {Lunenburg}
              Mike Mayo {Lunenburg}
              Jeff Brisson {Lunenburg}
              Tom Connor {Murdock}
              Kris Robinson {Murdock}
              Bob Frick {Clinton}
              Jamie Polack {Clinton}
    	      David Flaherty {Clinton}
              Donny Fetterhoff {Littleton}
              Nick Warwick {Ayer}
              Jeremy Graham {Ayer}
              Donny Sheriff {Ayer}
              Al Merriam {Maynard}
    	      Jon LaSage {Maynard}
    
    Offensive MVP:  Jason Wilson {Lunenburg}
    Defensive MVP:  David Flaherty {Clinton}
    

    
    
    	Boy they start the Football brainwashing early in Leominster don't
    they! My son is in Kindergarden at the Bennet St. school, and today
    is officially "Blue & White Day". All the kids are wearing the school
    colors, yesterday they learned the school song, and today some members
    of the LHS Football Team and Cheerleader squad are coming to visit the
    Kindergarden classes.
    
    	I asked Ryan if Daddies were allowed to come to school today? :-)
    
    JimH
    

Wanna check out them Cheerleaders, eh, Jim?

8^)

    
    
    
>Wanna check out them Cheerleaders, eh, Jim?
    
    	Who me? Nah, I just want to help develop school & community
    spirit in the LHS graduating class of 2007! :-)
    
    JimH
    

    

heh, heh, heh......

    And to think, all Phillip had to talk about was his big play dough
    project.  I'll have to get on him about Panther spirit.
    
    He doesn't car about traditional sports just auto racing and karate.
    
    He did 18 holes with me up in Waumbek using a golf cart.

    
    
    
    >He doesn't car about traditional sports just auto racing and karate.
                ^^^                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    	I hope that was accidental!!!
    
    	My Kindergardener just got his Tae Kwon Do Lt. Green Belt yesterday. Of
    course, I don't think he's ready for Street Fighting just yet!!!
    
    JimH
    

    My oldest boy is at Poon belt and my youngest is a green belt.  I'm
    already dreading the $450 black belt fee for my oldest in a few months.

    
     All this has what to do with 'High School Sports'?

    Tommy,
    	we didn't want to add "Kindergarden Sports" note of its own.
    
    	and if you've never been to a 5 year old Karate class ...

    I still recall the expression on my 4-year old's face when he broke his
    first board.

    
    RE.1  
    
    A lot of people are predicting that Leominster will win the Turkey
    day game.  James McCall of Fitchburg (Captain, speedy receiver and 
    return man) has been kicked off the team for yelling back at the 
    Fitchburg Coaches.
    
    Steve

    	I was talking to a few of the Fitchburg fans at the Oakmont
    	Fitchburg game and they were telling me that he is 20 years
    	old!  Is this true?  I know in Massachusetts you have to file
    	for a waiver if a player is going to be 19 years old during the
    	sports season but I think 20 is a little old to be playing High
    	School football . . . Drew Bledsoe was 21 when he started in the
    	NFL.

    
    	Yes James McCall is 20 years old.  As far as the MIAA rules for
    eligibility, I don't know.  It might also depend on when he turned 
    20.   Does High School work that same as College?  Only 4 years of 
    Eligibilty in a varsity sport?
    
    Steve

Wow, sounds like James McCall needs JD's help more than
Donte "Not So" Bright......

    
    
    	Wow. I was wondering why he wasn't listed on Fitchburg's
    roster in this mornings T&G!!!
    
    	Is James McCall older than his brother Zack?
    
    JimH
    

    
    If you asking if Zack was 20 when he was a senior, I don't know.
    
    But Zack is his older Brother..   Speaking of Zack anybody know where
    he is now?   I know he dropped out of Syracuse two years ago and enrolled
    in a prep school.  W 
    
    

    
    
    
    
    Zack mcall i beleive is at Marquete (sp).  Their going to be on Tv
    either tonight or tommorrow ESPN.  

    
    Here's my Happy Thanksgiving wish to all you sprots noters.  May your
    HS team win big tomorrow.
    
    I will be at Alumni Field in Maynard, for the Maynard vs. Nashoba game. 
    This is I think the 6th!  and last game in short lived rivalry. 
    Nashoba is going elsewhere next year, looking to add a Div II or higher
    school to their Turkey day.  Maynard in Div III, doesn't seem to be
    enough of a challenge these days.
    
    Happy T-day to all!
    
    RTG

    Reminds me of the Cheech & Chong skit about the 36-year old in the 8th
    grade that is majoring in metal shop.

    
    
    	Zack must have been at least 19 when he graduated then, which was
    two years ago (93). He dropped out of Syracuse, turning down his
    football scholarship. Enrolled at Cushing Academy in Ausburnham last
    year...
    

Hi.

My name's James.  James McCall.  People call me James McCall....





I rememer when I was in fourth grade.  I was 9 going on 10.  There was
this kid in my math class, Carl Mulligan, who was 13.  This kid was
dumber 'n a stump.  Seriously.  

He'd bring National Geographic to class, to look at the African women.

I think he dropped out at 16 (probably 6th grade or so).


I can't imagine being 13 and hitting puberty and all, and being in a class
full of 10 year olds..... Must've been tough.  No wonder he was enthralled
with National Georgraphic.....


'Saw

    
    John Augustinowicz (I can't spell it, but neither could he) was the 13
    year old in my 4th grade class.  And he was big for his age.  I
    remember him well because for some reason, it was decided we were
    supposed to have a "big fight" after school.  I was scared fecal
    matterless all day.  Finally, 3:00 comes around and "the big fight"
    begins.  We started out wrestling and I was doing OK.  I was pretty
    wiry at the time, and was holding my own.  Then some stupid 6th grader
    says "Oh, I thought this was gonna be a boxing fight, not a wrestling
    fight" (the asshole was 6 inches taller than me, but still half John's 
    size, but I didn't see him volunteering to fight John).  My whole
    strategy was to stretch the fight out until a teacher came along to
    break it up, but if punches were gonna get thrown, this strategy had a
    serious flaw.  Fortunately, I was able to Leonard him, until a teacher
    came along.  John and I became friends after the fight.  It was good to
    have a friend in Jr. High who could drive you to school.
    
    brews 

  >   My oldest boy is at Poon belt 
    
    You get a belt for poon pang in karate?  

    Brews, the Poon belt is red & black and is one level below 1st degree
    black belt.  

                           -< not bad for a 10-year old >- 
    
    I'll say.  Most kids don't get it until they're teenagers.
    
    brews

    
      I graduated from high school with a kid who was 21 years old 
     at graduation and one of my best friends in school. He was a
     reformed hoodlum who really wanted to get his diploma. He went
     to school during the day, worked full time at night and had his
     own apartment. This kid McCall doesn't sound as responsible but
     at least he's staying in school.

    >     there kids" note. Nobody cares if you're kid got his poon belt,
    
    Tommy, you really shouldn't call yourself a 'nobody.'

Tommy, I admire the ambition and commitment of your friend.

Somehow, Carl Mulligan just didn't have the same kind of attitude.

But I see where I might have misjudged James McCall.....

    
    Well North Middlesex ran over Cambridge Ringe & Latin 42-13.
    It was over after the first play from scrimage.  Hand off to Matt
    Dawson and he rumbled 40 yds for a touchdown.  With 8:33 seconds
    to go in the first quarter it was 14-0 NM.  
    
    Wednesday after noon James McCall was re-instated to Fitchburg's
    football team.  This doesn't say much for their coach!!!!!!!!!!!
    Fitchburg beat Leominster badly.  
    
    December 3rd - 12:30 pm - at WPI 
    Fitchburg v. North Middlesex for Div 1 Superbowl  (round 3)
    

    
    	In North Middlesex's win over Cambridge R&L it was costly.
    Starting Fullback/Middle Line Backer Matt Dawson Broke his wrist
    in two places.  
    
    Matt will be playing in the SuperBowl with the cast.

    	Oakmont blanked Gardner with a score of 28-0.  This marks the 4th
    	straight year that Oakmont has shutout Gardner.  Oakmonts defense
    	dominated the game holding Gardner to only 81 total yards.  The win
    	clinches a second straight Division II Superbowl appearance, and a
    	rematch with 2 year defending champ St. Peter-Marian on Dec. 3rd at
    	WPI.  

    Nashoba crushed Maynard....53-0!!  
    
    Unfortunately, Nashoba ended up 7-3, with their 3 losses being by a
    total of 5 points.  3rd place in Division II doesn't get you into a
    superbowl.  Too Bad!
    
    RTG

    	If Nashoba drops Maynard as their Thanksgiving Day rival, who will
    	be their opponent?  In the Fitchburg Sentinel they said North 
    	Middlesex would be a likely canidate for Nashoba since both teams 
    	are looking for a Turkey Day opponent and that both programs are 
    	one of the best programs in Central Mass.
     
    	Is there any truth that Clinton will be moving into 
    	Division II {Mid-Wach B} next year?  I think Clinton would
    	be competitive in the Mid-Wach B along with Oakmont, Westboro,
    	Algonquin, Nashoba, Hudson, and Gardner.     
                                                            

    re: -.1
    
    I also read that about NM playing Nashoba.  In the Nashua Telegraph
    they had a big article on Sandy Ruggles and how he wants to play
    Nashua every year at Thanksgiving.  He wants to keep his team
    challanged every year and playing Cambridge doesn't challange the kids.
    
    Doesn't Nashua play Bishop Guertin on Turkey Day?
    
    Steve

    >>Doesn't Nashua play Bishop Guertin on Turkey Day?
    
    	Yep.

    I would love to see Nashoba play NM on turkey day.  When I was at
    Nashoba, NM was a regularly scheduled game.  Of course that was the
    days when NRHS was unbeatable, and NM was mediocre.  
    
    After witnessing t-day this year, I feel for Maynard.  They had 17
    players on the field.  All but 3 went both ways.  It was impossible to
    keep up with a team that was throwing in fresh bodies on every play.
    
    Nashoba needs a higher level team to improve its chances of higher SB
    ratings.  
    
    I also agree Clinton should move up to Div II.  They were the Nashoba
    rivals on t-day when I was in school.  Not those are memories!

    
      Nashoba should be playing Clinton on Thanksgiving Day. It's
     as natural a high school rivalry as any. Unfortunately, the
     series ended when the Chieftain fans had their appetites
     spoiled one too many times. Kinda hard to eat that turkey
     with tears streaming down your cheeks and a big ole lump in
     your throat.

    Yabut, our cheerleaders were better looking than yours, so there!
    
    I agree, NRHS vs. Clinton should be brought back, but NM doesn't sound
    too bad.....only problem is too far to travel for away games.
    
    RTG 

    >    Yabut, our cheerleaders were better looking than yours, so there!

    
    From the AD at Clinton,  Clinton will not play Nashoba on Turkey day
    ever again, awhile back Nashoba quit on Clinton and they say the hell
    with them, also in the last meeting Clinton will not move up into Div.
    2 because of their size, in there division Littleton, and Lunenburg
    have more kids, so they move first. Clinton has 78 kids in the senior
    class, the largest class is the second grade at 118, most class B
    schools have 125+ per class....so CLinton will stay in "C"......
    
    Good Luck to CLinton in the "Super Bowl" this Saturday....../kevin 

    Wow! 78 kids in a senior class! That kinda puts things in perspective
    since I had 1300 in mine.
    
    I guess there's advantages to both extremes, but if I had my choice it
    would be somewhere around 200.
    
    
    
    billl

>    Wow! 78 kids in a senior class! That kinda puts things in perspective
>    since I had 1300 in mine.

That's HUGE!

We had 458 kids in our senior class, about 1600 in the entire high school.

We were, at the time, the richest class ever to graduate -- the class president
ended up at First Chemical Bank in New York once he got to the real world.

My brother's class ('79) was the largest to come through the high school
at 479 or so.....

    
>    I guess there's advantages to both extremes, but if I had my choice it
>    would be somewhere around 200.
    
Yeah, that sounds like it might be kind of cool......

    	Did anyone see yesterdays article in the Worcester T&G on
    	St. Peter-Marian tailback Jerry Azumah?  This is what he
    	has accomplished this year:
    		o  Led his team to a 9-1 season {loss to Oakmont}
    		o  Scored 28 TD'S
    		o  1,596 rushing yards on 97 carries 
    		o  An average of 16.4 yards per carry
    		o  Has ripped off runs of 50 yards or more 14 times
    		o  HIGH-HONORS STUDENT
    
    	Azumah's coach, Owen Kilcoyne coached Joe Morris, Jamie Morris,
    	and Billy Brooks all who went to the NFL says:  "Jerry, at this
    	stage of his career, is the same level Joe Morris was at this
    	stage."   
    

    Awesome stats!
    
    I have heard of Kilcoyne, but how did he coach the other guys?  Didn't
    Jaimie Morris (Ayer), and Billy Brooks (Framingham) go to High School
    at the same time?  
    
    RTG

    Is that the same Owen Kilcoyne that once coached Clinton H.S.?

    
      Yup. Owen coached at CHS back in the early to mid '70s.

    I remember him well, a good friend of Dad's.  I had him for my P.E.
    teacher for a few years before I left the Clinton school system. 
    Nobody dared to jerk him around while in his class.
    
    Mike

     CENTRAL MASS. SUPERBOWL STANDINGS
    
    	SCHOOL         	GP      W-L    
	Leominster     	9       7-2
    	Oakmont        	6       4-2
    	Northbridge    	6       3-3
    	Fitchburg      	6       2-4
    	Ware           	6       1-5
    	Milford		5       4-1
    	North Middlesex 5       4-1
    	Grafton         5 	3-2
    	Lunenburg	5	3-2
    	St. John's      5	3-2
    	Bay Path	5	0-5
    	Ayer		4	2-2
    	Algonquin	4	1-3
    	Assabet		4	1-3
    	Hudson		4	1-3
    	Athol		3	2-1
    	Bartlett	3	0-3
    	Westford	2	2-0
    	South		2	2-0
    	Uxbridge	2	2-0
    	St. P-Marian    2 	2-0
    	Doherty		2	1-1
    	Westboro	2	1-1
    	Marlboro	2	1-1
    	Southbridge	2	0-2
    	W. Boylston     1	1-0
    	Narragansett    1	1-0
    	Millbury	1	1-0
    	David Prouty	1 	0-1
    	Hudson Catholic 1	0-1
    	Burncoat	1	0-1
    	Shepard Hill	1	0-1
    	Nashoba		1	0-1
    	Monty Tech	1	0-1
    	Shrewsbury	1	0-1
    	Clinton		1	0-1
    	Maynard		1	0-1
    	Keefe Tech	1	0-1
    
    **  Schools that haven't yet qualified for a Superbowl:  Auburn,
    Gardner, Holy Name, Littleton, Murdock, Nashoba Tech, North, Oxford,
    St. Bernard's, Tantasqua, Wachusett, Worcester Voke.
     
    

    How about that Texas 5-A state chamionship game. Team A (cann't
    remember the names)is behind 41-17 with 3 minutes to go in the game.
    They score a TD and then recover the onside kick. They then score again
    and recover the onside kick a couple of more times.They keep going until 
    they take they take the lead 44-41 with 26 seconds left. The place was
    going crazy. Then Team B takes the kickoff and runs it back for a td to
    win the game. They showed this on about all of the sports shows last
    and the announcers of the game were hysterical. 

    	When the team took the lead 44-41 they should have did a squib
    	kick so there kickoff team could break the wedge and get to 
    	the return man.  Do they play defense in Texas? 

    
    
    
          It was hilarious the Announcer said I feel so sick for these kids
    I think I'm gonna puke, (after team B scored again). :-)
    
    
    Chap

    This is my attempt at what the announcer said after the team fielded
    theh ball.
    
    	mumble fields it at the 10, starts to his left, breaks a tackle
    	and OH NO...NO...NO...NO....OH NO...(guy crosses goal line)..
        I think I'm going to puke...
    
    The game was at the Cowboys stadium.
    
    Jimbo

    
    
    
    	The HS announcers really cracked me up after the 2nd TD. They
    started berating all the people who left the game early and "...were
    now listening to the game on their car radios driving back to East
    Plano", called them a bunch of strange names including "you sorry
    dogs"!
    
    JimH
    

Anyone have the EASTERN Mass Superbowl matchups?  I had the newspaper stopped 
when I was on vacation.

>Anyone have the EASTERN Mass Superbowl matchups?  I had the newspaper stopped 
>when I was on vacation.

Do they ever have like a Super Superbowl, with the three (I'm assuming)
regional winners facing off?

I know down here there is ONE State Champion per class (based on enrollment,
the classes being S,M,L and LL).

Sounds like up in Mass, the best you can be is Eastern Mass Champ.....


'Saw

    EMASS Super Bowl pairings
    
    Div 1A     Peabody  vs. New Bedford  @BU 1:30
        1B     Xaverian at Falmouth
    
    Div 2A     Brookline  vs.  Chelmsford  @NE  1:30
        2B     Stoneham at Acton-Boxboro
    
    Div 3A     Salem vs.  Whitman-Hanson  @BU  10:30
        3B     Bishop Feehan at Mansfield
    
    Div 4A     East Bridgewater at North Andover
        4B     Matignon at Fairhaven
    
    Div 5A     West Roxbury  vs.  East Boston  @White Stadium
        5B     Tyngsboro vs.  Nantucket  @Walpole
    
    Div 6A     Cathedral at Westwood
        6B     Trinity Catholic at Millis
    
    CENTRAL MASS
    
    Div  1     North Middlesex  vs.  Fitchburg  @WPI  12:30
    
         2     St. Peter-Marian  vs.  Oakmont   @WPI   3:00
    
         3     Clinton  vs.  Leicester  @WPI  9:45
    
    WESTERN MASS
    
    Div  1     Springfield Catholic vs. South Hadley @Springfield Coll
    
         2     East Longmeadow  vs.  Lee  @Springfield Coll

    
    
>Sounds like up in Mass, the best you can be is Eastern Mass Champ.....
    
    	You can't even get that anymore 'Saw, as you see in .480, the
    MIAA did away with the Emass Superbowls a few years back and replaced
    them with these stupid MIAA nA/nB Championship games. So there isn't
    even a clear 'champion' within a division anymore.
    
    	It's worse than the college bowl situation. It all comes down to
    how much the MIAA can rake in in ticket sales at the 'championship'
    games....
    
    JimH
    
    

re: Mass Supes

Yes the best you can be in MA is Division Champeen.  In
easterm MA, where the population center is, they have gone
from one Supe per division to two, classifying the teams
accordingly.  I haven't any idea why they did that, all 
I know is that the good news is that Brockton High was
out of the running thised year.

=Bob=

    
    1989  11-0	Central Mass Div II Super Bowl Champions
    1990  10-1  Central Mass Div II Super Bowl Champions
    1991  10-1	Central Mass Div II Super Bowl Runner Up
    1992  11-0  Central Mass Div I Super Bowl Champions
    1993  10-1  Central Mass Div I Super Bowl Champions
    
    and....
    
    1994  11-0  Central Mass Div I Super Bowl Champions
    
    Great Game by both sides.  21-14 NM.  Ruggles scored on a 1yd 
    keeper midway throught the second quarter.  (7-0)  On Fitchburg's
    next posetion, Steffanides (Great arm) through a 86yd td toss to
    Clarence Yarbrough.  Great finger tip catch!  
    
    In the fourth quarter, Fitchburg went up 14-7 on a Yarbrough slant
    pass.  5:00 minutes to play.  NM ran the ball a few times and then
    Ruggles LOFTED the ball to Billy Keefe.... 71yds later the game is 
    tied!  3:22 left to play.  Fitchburg got the ball and ran a play.
    Then the big mistake... Steffanides through an interception at the 
    50 yard line.  
    The next play Ruggles got sacked for a 10 yard loss.  Two running plays
    later the ball is at the 50.   24 seconds left.
    Fitchburg calls a time out.   North Middlesex has their normal set for
    punts.  (Punter and 2 up backs for blocking) The ball was snapped to
    one of the upbacks, (Lucas Babbitt)  The punter runs left, the whole
    line goes left Lucas puts the ball between Jesse Aubin's (Other up
    back) legs.  Lucas takes off left.  The only people that stay are Jesse 
    and Jason O'loughlin.  O'loughlin throws 2 key blocks and springs Jesse
    free for the touchdown!!!!!!!  
    

    	Jerry Azumah proved to be to much for the Oakmont Regionals defense
    	as he carried the ball 23 times for 243 yards and 3 touchdowns as
    	St. Peter-Marian beat Oakmont Regional, 42-15.  This is St. Peters
    	third straight Central Mass. Division II Superbowl.  Oakmont was
    	impressive and led 9-6 at halftime.  St. Peters made the proper 
    	adjustments and went on to explode in the 2nd half with 36 points.
    	Oakmonts coach Dave LaRoche said:  "Azumah proved today he's the 
    	best back in Central Mass.  He's certainly the best back we've ever 
    	played against - and that includes the Morris brothers when they
    	were at Ayer."
    
    	OTHER SUPER BOWL SCORES:
    	CENTRAL MASS:  DIVISION I
    			North Middlesex  21    Fitchburg 14
    		       DIVISION II
    			St. Peter-Marian 42    Oakmont 15
    		       DIVISION III
    			Clinton 12    Leicester  7
    	WESTERN MASS:  DIVISION I
    			Springfield Central  15    South Hadley 14
    		       DIVISION II
    			Lee   27      E. Longmeadow  7
    	EASTERN MASS:  
    	DIVISION 1A     New Bedford    21     Peabody        12
    	         1B     Xaverian       20     Falmouth        0
    		 2A     Chelmsford     29     Brookline        0
    		 2B     Acton-Boxboro  23     Stoneham         0
    		 3A     Whitman-Hanson 13     Salem            0
                 3B     Mansfield      20     Bishop Feehan   13
    		 4A     North Andover  28     E. Bridgewater  13
    		 4B     Fair Haven     32     Matignon        24
    		 5A     East Boston    18     West Roxbury    14
    	  	 5B     Tyngsboro      31     Nantucket        7
    		 6A     Westwood       39     Cathedral        8
    		 6B     Millis         28     Trinity Catholic 6
             

I found out over the weekend that there are a couple of more classes down
here than I thought:

	Class SS and Class MM

That means there are six classes based on enrollment (they must've added them
lately).


Hartford Public High won the Class LL title last Friday night....

    RE: -.1
    
    <<1) Why doesn't the state have one state champion at each level?>>
    Not sure, other than the fact there are MANY schools in Division I.
    New Hampshire has one Div I league.  (Class L) They have a playoff
    system.
    
    <<2) How many overall teams are there in say, the top Central Mass>>
    <<division fighting for this super bowl crown?>>
    In Div I Central Mass there are 10 teams.  Top 2 make the Super Bowl.
    
    Steve

|    <<1) Why doesn't the state have one state champion at each level?>>

The easy answer is that the coaches/administrators are no
different than anyone else in sports, in that they see the 
opportunity for additional paydays, thus two "championship
games" per division.  I'm not sure if this is the case,
however.  Like virtually everything else in Mass, the 
high school sports scene is riddled with political 
in-battling.  The result is that anything can happen,
and it ususally does.

=Bob=

    Their is really one reason why Mass doesn't have a playoff system. It's
    called Thanksgiving day. It's such a big thing in Central and Eastern
    Mass that it's virtually impossible to have more then one week of
    playoffs without running into basketball and hokey seasons. As it is
    right now any football player in EM whose team plays in the Super Bowl 
    and plays hokey or basketball loses one week of practice. I played out
    in Western Mass and our seasons were over around Veterans day. If your
    team was lucky enough to play in a Super Bowl you had about 3 weeks in
    between your last game and the Super Bowl.
    What I don't understand is why they don't make a Northeastern and
    SouthEastern Super Bowls. At least you could claim championships of a
    certain part of the stats.

    It's official.   North Middlesex will start playing Nashoba on
    Thanksgiving starting in 1995.  Next year's game will be played
    in Bolton.

    
    September 15, Friday	@Brockton	7:00pm
    September 22, Friday	Westboro	7:00pm
    September 29, Friday	Wachusett	7:00pm
    October 6, Friday		@Milford	7:00pm
    October 14, Saturday	@St Johns	1:30pm
    October 20, Friday		Shrewsbury	7:00pm
    October 27, Friday		@Marlboro	7:00pm
    November 3, Friday		Fitchburg	7:00pm
    November 10, Friday		Leominster	7:00pm
    November 23, Thursday	@Nashoba	10:00am

|    September 15, Friday	@Brockton	7:00pm

Go Northern Middlesex...

    
    Chelmsford picked up Brockton this year.  Not sure where the game
    will be played.

|    Chelmsford picked up Brockton this year.  Not sure where the game
|    will be played.

After a couple of Supe victories the past several years, Chelmsford
seems to be drawing top notch competition.  Thised year they had a 
game with Xaverian, at Chelmsford.  Xaverain won, but it was a close
game, and a real battle.  If it's in Chelmsford, perhaps it will be 
the firsted HS football game I will attend since moving to town eight
years ago.

Go Chelmsford, beat Brockton.  In fack, go anyone, beat Brockton.

=Bob=

    Go NRHS!!!  I will be at that game nexted Turkey day.  It will bring
    back memories of when NM and NRHS played in my days at Nashoba.
    
    RTG

    Just looking fer some opinions.
    
    Locally, there is a ninth grader whose parents yanked him out of the
    public school so they could home school him this school year, and for
    the remaining years of high school, also.
    
    The kid, most probably his parents too, decides he wants to play high
    school sports, even though he doesn't attend the school.  he tried out
    for backsketbrawl and, although he was supposedly pretty good, didn't
    get on the team.  Now, the school says that since the kid is getting
    home schooled, he's no eligible to play on the school's baseball team. 
    he has gone through 2 levels of courts and both have denied him and now
    he, and his parents, are scheduled for a hearing at the local FEDERAL
    COURT on the matter.
    
    IMHO, this kid doesn't deserve to play fer the high school being he
    ain't enrolled there.  Isn't the high school team supposed to be
    composed of, and representative of the school and its students???
    
    Another frivolous waste of the tax-payers money in fighting this thang.
    
    Lessee, suppose, fer shits and giggles, that the court orders the high
    school to let the kid play.  Then, in the third game of the season, the
    kid blows out a knee legging out a double.  Who are his parents going
    to sue over the kid's knee, you guessed it, the school district.  Even
    though they would have sued to make the kid play.
    
    I say let the kid field his own one twerp team.
    
    JMHO
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    	Is this the kid in Massachusetts Jake? I've seen a few articles
    in the local papers about one here.
    
    	The school (or is it the MIAA) argues the he's not enrolled in
    the school. The parents say that since his home schooling comes
    under the jurisdiction of the local school board (the parents
    have to have an approved lesson plan), he should be allowed
    to take part in all extracuricular activities at the high school.
    Sports. Drama. Debating Team...
    
    	I don't know how I feel about it. More and more people are home
    schooling their kids, so its an issue that will probably keep coming
    up...
    
    JimH
    

    I disagree.  The kid's saving the town money by not occupying a seat
    but he should be able to play sports.  I don't see why they're making
    it a problem.
    
    If the kid was a star in football or basketball they'd have no problem
    with him playing.  The teacher's are probably afraid of losing jobs if
    too many kids do home schooling and are making a stand.

    Nah, he's in Western Pennsylvania.
    
    JaKe
    

    Well, the kid is, according to his mother, a "gifted athlete."
    
    
    My opinion, his mommy wants him on the high school team to try and
    showcase his baseball talents so's they cain squeeze a scholarship
    outta some college.
    
    Again, I say if the kid ain't enrolled in the school, to hell wif him. 
    
    Re, the kid being under the local school board's  jurisdiction as far
    as curriculum goes, here in Pa. the state sets the requirements when it
    comes to home schooling and ya gotta satisfy them.
    
    JaKe
    

                    
    FWIW, my kids' parttime babysitter is home-schooled and participates in 
    junior-high sports and cheerleading.  I don't see the problem with
    it.  The kid's parents are taxpayers and part of the community.  Part 
    of that home schooling requires regular reporting to the school board 
    and testing, so there is not complete autonomy from the school district.  
    Meanwhile she maintains the normal friendships with her former 
    classmates from within the town.  I guess I'd have to hear a better 
    reason against it than what amounts to "just because you're not getting 
    that education in _our_ buildings", all for the same tax-dollar 
    contribution.  Especially if as opposed to a lot of kids who are
    participating in the sports programs, she _is_ actually concerned 
    with getting an education.
    
    glenn
    

>    Home schooling parents still pay taxes that end up in the educational
>    [sic] system.  He deserves to be there as much as anyone else until
>    they say home schoolers don't have to pay taxes.

     So do my grandparents, but my father isn't eligible to play baseball
     in high school, because he doesn't go to school there.

     I pay taxes that go to support welfare, but I can't go and collect
     checks because I don't qualify.

     The fact that a person pays taxes doesn't mean they get a right to
     even one of the services that those taxes support.  We pay taxes
     because we want to live in a community and be a citizen of this
     country, and that's one of the burdens of those choices.

>     The fact that a person pays taxes doesn't mean they get a right to
>     even one of the services that those taxes support. 
    
    It doesn't make it an absolute right but it sure lends the potential
    recipient of the services credibility.  In this case, with the kid's
    parents paying taxes, and the kid's progress being monitored by the 
    school district, what is the essential qualification (I don't mean 
    some anal-retentive bureaucrat's essential qualification, rather a
    reasonable one) missing that pertains to participation in after-school 
    sports?  The kid's not taking PE classes during the day under Coach 
    Smith?  Normally participation in extracurricular sports is considered 
    a privilege granted with maintaining good academic standing, so that'd 
    be the criterion I'd apply...
    
    glenn
     

    Here in Colorado there was a case of a "gifted" athlete being able
    to compete in soccer at a different school.  The athlete was attending
    a private school that did not have the sport.  The athlete petitioned
    to play at a different school that had soccer.  The courts allowed
    her to play soccer at different school.  
    
    How is this different than Jakes question?????????
    
    

>    It doesn't make it an absolute right but it sure lends the potential
>    recipient of the services credibility.  In this case, with the kid's
>    parents paying taxes, and the kid's progress being monitored by the 
                           ---------------------------------------------
>    school district, what is the essential qualification (I don't mean 
     ---------------
>    some anal-retentive bureaucrat's essential qualification, rather a
>    reasonable one) missing that pertains to participation in after-school 
>    sports?  


     If this is being done, and done with the cooperation of the parents
     (rather than over strenuous objections), I'd have less of a problem
     with it.  Of course, Jake hasn't told us anything in this regards.
     I am familiar with several situations here in Georgia, and local
     school districts are not involved in monitoring the situations in even
     the slightest degree (and there would be a BIG objection on one family's
     part if there was a hint of it).

        The school sports programs' participants are representative of
        the school not the town.  That is to say it is the Merrimack
        High School Football team not the Town of Merrimack Football
        team. 

	Therefore I believe that if a parent chooses to have their
        child home-taught the child gets all the benifits/drawbacks
	that go along with it.  If the parent chooses to have their 
	child attend public schools then the child gets the benifits/
	drawbacks that go with that.  To me it's one way or the other.

	The "I pay the taxes, I deserve all the services" arguement
	does not apply here.  For example, if you live on a main
	road of a town you might get more frequent snow plowing than
	if you lived on a small dead end street.  The resident on the
	dead end street pays taxes just like you, but that doesn't mean
	he "deserves" to get his street plowed as often as the main 
	thorofare.

	

	billl

As a former teacher, I have very mixed feelings about home schooling.

On the one hand, the one-on-one attention and demands are good for any
student. Especially in these days of classroom overcrowding.

Plus, the addition of more cultural stuff than can go on in the classroom
(say more in-depth study of classical music, or sculpture, or stuff like
that) is an advantage.  Plus, the parents always have the option of
getting the kids out for hands-on stuff (as on Swiss educator said
"Show them a mountain, THEN teach them how to spell it.").


On the other hand, I think that some of the socialization skills that
are developed in the classroom (good and bad) are lost, and lets face it,
for the most part in our young lives, almost all of our social circles
revolve around school.

The sports question enters into the latter.  I think it totally depends
on the rules of the school district.  If the rules are that you have
to be "enrolled" in the school, I could see a situation where the kid
pays a fee to be allowed to play the sport -- the fee would go towards
the insurance coverage that is normally carried for the team.

If the rules are other than that, I think you have to examine the rules
in the individual case....

Personally, and my opinion is always subject to change, if I could afford
it, and I didn't live in a good school district, I'd send my kid to private
school before I'd home school.....


'Saw

    THere is only one criterion that applies to this case, and that is
    whether or not the extra curricular activities at the high school are
    for high school studaents or anyone in the town.
    
    I am of the opinion that these activities are the privilege of the kids
    attending the high school.  These are, as someone pointed out earlier,
    school activites, not town activities, so whether these people pay
    taxes is irrelevant.  In order to participate, you must be enrolled in
    school.  In my town, the high school sports program suffers because
    several good athletes go to private school.  If they do not play sports
    at the private school, should they be allowed to compete for the town
    team because their parents pay taxes?  I don't think so.
    
    NAZZ

    
>    THere is only one criterion that applies to this case, and that is
>    whether or not the extra curricular activities at the high school are
>    for high school studaents or anyone in the town.
    
    Absolutely.  As far as the district and its voters are concerned, at
    some level the distinction is up to them.  Any such "high school-only" 
    rule certainly isn't a constitutional one.
    
>    In my town, the high school sports program suffers because
>    several good athletes go to private school.  If they do not play sports
>    at the private school, should they be allowed to compete for the town
>    team because their parents pay taxes?  I don't think so.
  
    The sports programs suffer in what sense?  Winning versus losing?  That
    shouldn't be a factor.  Again, I think in the abstract it might be easy
    to say that some rich kid going to private school shouldn't be able to
    take advantage of the district's sports programs (I'd even agree that 
    enrollment at a completely different school, as opposed to home 
    schooling under the district's supervision, is a different case and 
    that student should be disqualified).  But I look at the example of my
    babysitter, whose family is not well off but is schooled at home
    strictly for personal reasons, who is a good kid, works hard at her
    schooling and afterwards, and I can't see that pointing at a rulebook 
    is a good enough reason to exclude her from participation.   As far 
    as I know the issue has never come up and no one in the town has ever 
    objected to this kind of a thing, but if it ever did come to a town 
    debate or vote I'd certainly support her...
    
    glenn
    
               
    

>                   -< Socialization is a very weak argument >-

It's a weakER argument, among other, but it is a viable one.

I think the environment that best prepares you for the average work
environment is the school.  There's all types of folks there, not just
ones who share a common interest with your own kids (Sunday school, scouts
etc).  I think that's a worthy skill to learn (i.e. how to deal with
folks with dissimilar interests).

I'm not against home schooling -- in some instances it is the only viable
option -- but I do have mixed feelings.

>    'Saw socialization skills can be attained in many other places besides
>    school (i.e., siblings, neighborhood friends, Sunday school, scouts,
>    Little League, Pop Warner, etc.).  A good friend of mine is a 5th grade
>    teacher and is about to home school his own because of the sorry state
>    of our school systems.
    
Don't disagree with your points -- I think those are fine places to
gain skills, but I think that they are in addition to what one gains at
school.

However, if the public schools suck that bad, then it certainly is an
option.  I'm not familiar with how the schools are out there.  

In CT, there are some fine school systems, some bad ones, and lots of
choices for private and parochial schools for those who choose and can
afford them....

I'm not even sure what the policies are in this area for home schooling....


'saw

    Glenn, the town suffers in numbers of participants, and therefore
    suffers in the win-loss category.  The girls High School basketball
    varsity had 11 girls try out, two quit, and one of the captains blew
    out her knee.  That left the team to try to compete with only eight
    players.  Naturally, they often got overwhelmed.  It was the same in
    virtually every other sport.  Many parents would like to see Dracut
    move to a conference with a compatable school population (with
    Wilmington moving to the Cape Ann League, Dracut is by far the smallest
    town in the Marrimack Vallwey), but the old-town pols and the AD long
    for a return to the good old days, so that's not going to happen soon.
    
    There is a 6-1 girl that goes to Notre Dame Academy who lives in
    Dracut.  She was a backup this year for NDA, but she would have meant
    the differnce between 2-16 and a .500 season for the Dracut girls if
    she were allowed to play for Dracut High.  But I am not advocating
    that.  What I am saying is that if athletics were town-based and not
    school-based, Dracut would have had a better team.
    
    NAZZ

    I think the socialization is important but Mike has a point, perhaps it
    is best attained in other venues.  I think it depends on the kid, some
    are best served in public, others private others home.
    
    I certainly don't think that non-members would be the worst thing for
    school sports.  The worst thing is the early age cliqueing and the lack
    of real competitive tryouts for teams, not to speak of coaches
    prejudices (not racial) that effect final makeup of teams.
    
    I'd like to see the selection of the members of sports teams be done
    in some way that the coach himself is not the sole decision maker (or
    perhaps outside his approval entirely).

    Out here in Colorado we are constantly hearing the argument that sports
    in a given school are a privilege.  It costs alot of money to pay for
    football, baseball, basketball, wrestling etc....  In fact it has been
    said that some sports will either have to be dropped or kids parents
    will have to come up with extra money.  If that is the case, then what
    would be the problem with a homeschooled athlete paying to play on a
    given team.  Apparently taxes are not enough to cover extra-curricular
    activities....
    

I'm certainly no expert, but I have heard the debates, and some sports
are VERY expensive.  

Football programs are extremely expensive to run, with all the insurance and
stuff like that.  There have been instances that I've heard of where kids
who wanted to play football have had to pay "athletic fees."  It is the
difference between having a football program and not having one....


'saw

    Nazz,
    What you say about Dracut has a chance of coming true. The Cape Ann
    league might be looking to expand. There is beginning to be too big of a
    differance between the large and small schools in the CAL. With
    Wilmington coming into the league next year there is 11 teams that play
    football. There is talk of splitting the football league into large and
    small and adding one or more teams from either the Northeastern
    Conference or the Merrimack Valley. There is also rumors that North
    Andover might move to the Merrimack Valley.
    
    Mike

Many towns, Chelmsford included, have gone to user fees for sports.  My kids
don't start in the public school until next year, but it is my understanding
that the cost for any sport is $500 per season!!  This is a huge amount, and it
is obvious that less expensive sports are funding more expensive ones.

BTW 'Saw, I read a survey a few years ago that stated that Conn. public school
teachers are amoung the highest paid in the country, and that the schools are
anoung the highest rated as a whole.  What a surprise there.

=bob=

    
    My friend's Dad was the AD for my HS.  He said that football basically
    broke even (it's one of the few sports that draws big crowds and
    charges an admission), basketball (boys) makes pretty good money
    (admission plus low cost of equipment), and all the rest lose money for
    the school.  Now if you want each sport to pay its own way, the girls
    sports would end up the big losers in this.
    
    brews  

>
>BTW 'Saw, I read a survey a few years ago that stated that Conn. public school
>teachers are amoung the highest paid in the country, and that the schools are
>anoung the highest rated as a whole.  What a surprise there.
>

One of the reasons why I didn't go into teaching was the horrendously low
salaries.

I graduated with my BS in Music Ed in 1980, with my provisional (good for
10 years) teaching certificate.  The average salary I was looking at was
about 9-12K per year.

Since then, due to a lot of pressure, teaching salaries have increased
to the point where my friends who are still in teaching no longer have
to work during the summer -- they used to HAVE to, now it's optional.

I have mixed feelings on the subject -- on the one hand, there's lot of
bs to contend with, what with parenting skills (on the whole) declining.
On the other hand, in a lot of subjects, once you get your goals and objectives
and lesson plans down, if you're not a "go-getter" you can survive from
year to year by coasting.....

Inner city schools are another baliwick all together though....


'Saw

>    
>    not just here 'Saw, it's all over.  Between OBE and liberals using B.F.
>    Skinner's techniques to brainwash children to honor group rights instead 
>    of individual rights, we're cranking out kids who can't read, write,
>    and make change.
>    

Skinner always fascinated me.

But skills are lacking, no doubt.

Recently in New Haven, the superintendant of schools banned "Huckleberry Finn"
from being taught in one middle school (still on the library shelves however)
because one student took offense.

Instead of using the opportunity to explore race relations (which ostensibly
was one of Twain's intents in writing the book) the Super took the easy
way out so that no one would be offended.

I have a problem with the avoidance of the controversy for one, and with
the fact that an opportunity to learn was wasted -- even after the
director of the Mark Twain house/library/etc offered to help New Haven
schools set up a comprehensive teaching plan for Huck Finn....

Oh well....


'Saw

        <<< Note 16.520 by OUTSRC::HEISER "Grace changes everything" >>>

    
>    not just here 'Saw, it's all over.  Between OBE and liberals using B.F.
>    Skinner's techniques to brainwash children to honor group rights instead 
>    of individual rights, we're cranking out kids who can't read, write,
>    and make change.
>    ^^^
>    Mike
	

	Hey Mikey, I think that should be "or".  Where'd you go to school
	anyhoo?  :-)

	Kevin

| not just here 'Saw, it's all over.  Between OBE and liberals using B.F.
| Skinner's techniques to brainwash children to honor group rights instead 
| of individual rights, we're cranking out kids who can't read, write,

Thanks again, Rush.

Let's not blame any group or groups for the falture of our public education. 
All groups have a hand in it.  I agree with you in that the basic thinking
skills are no longer taught, but on the other hand, we can blame the
budget-cutting right for the sever under-funding of schools, and we can blame
old-school traditionalist for not allowing any new ideas that would make our
students competitive with the rest of the world's to get into our educational
system.

I'm teaching an SAT prep course now, and it is a major ordeal for me to get the
kids to break into groups because they have to move their chairs out of the
assembly-line straight rows that their teachers insist upon.

=bob=

    
      I though this was the 'High School Sports' note not the
     'Mike Heiser and his wacko religious right politics' note.

    
      Yet another note that has nothing to do with 'High School
     Sports'. Apparently, must have Phoenix the lowest scoring 
     for reading comprehension, Mikey because you're dragging down 
     the average. Take it to ::SOAPBOX.

| Title:  face the facts, then laugh if you can

I agree that well compensated teachers and well funded programs do not equal
good schools.  It takes innovation, motivation, and dedication (I feel like MrT).

I suspect that you couldn't turn that equation around, and find schools at the
bottom of the list with SAT scores in the top percentiles.

=bob=

I was gonna say something, and forgot what it was, but I'm pretty
sure it didn't have anything to do with high school sports...

8^)

    Hey 'Saw - I almost took a teaching job down your way five years
    ago in the beautiful suburb of West Hartford.  Despite having a
    B.A. and an M.Ed. in education and four years teaching experience,
    I still would have had to take an $8,000 pay cut from the lavish wage
    I'm pulling in here at Digital.  I ultimately turned down the job
    (timing was the major reason), which was a great move for me, since by
    January the town voted to rescind the funds for the position and the
    person they hired had to be laid off!!!
    
    NAZZ

West Hartford is where I did my student teaching.  Big commitment to 
education in that town -- there's a large Jewish population and as such
a large Jewish interest in the educational system.  I won't make blanket
statements, but I know from my Jewish friends that they do, as a rule, take
a big interest in education.

I taught music studnets, 6th-9th grades.  I swear, that town has no bell
curve when it comes to music students.  I never had a C music student.
I taught wind ensemble, jazz band, guitar class and general music.  All either
A/B or D/F students.  Weirdest thing I ever saw.

Great kids though.  I had one kid in guitar class who I SWEAR was the
reincarnation of Hendrix.  Looked like him, had those long Jimi Hendrix
fingers, and would have restrung his guitar backwards if I'd have let him.

He could play rings around me, so I tailored my assignments for him.  Instead
of learning this or that chord progression, I'd give him a tune from 
an album and tell him to come back and play it for me.  I figured I couldn't
ever play guitar as well as he could so I'd work his ear and stuff like
that....   


West Hartford is a nice town....  Hell, too bad you didn't get the job.
I could've taken you out for a beer now and again....8^)


'saw

    
     re .531
    
      Mikey, that's three straight replies that have nothing to do 
     with the topic of the note. I realize you don't have enough
     self control to keep yourself getting up on your little soapbox
     and boring anyone unfortunate enough to cross your path to tears
     but please try to contain yourself to notesfiles, where folks
     who share your affliction, congregate. maybe if you played
     high school sports you'd have something to talk about on the
     subject.

    
    
    	Back to home schooling and H.S. sports. I guess I tend to lean
    towards doing what's right for the student. That is I don't see
    a reason for a home schooled student not to be allowed to play for
    the local high school. My understanding from what I've read about
    Massachusetts home schooling, is that the student is considered part
    of the local school system. The education plan is approved by the
    school district. Books are provided by the school system. Any special
    needs are provided by the school system (BTW, this is true even if
    the student is attending a private school).
    
    	But mostly I think it should been allowed simply because it
    is good for kids to be involved in athletics (or drama, debating,
    math club, ...). Strip away the politics of the situation and look
    at what's best for the kid.
    
    	Now, the kid still has to make the team. His parents should be
    responsible for getting the kid to all the practices. No exceptions
    should be made for a 'home-schooled' student athlete...
    
    JimH
    

    Tommy, be gentle with him.

    >D.C. has the biggest budget of any urban area in the country.
    >Highest-paid administrators, highest-paid teachers, most $ per student
    
    Yo Mike, ever bother to check your information first.
    
    Average Salaries (1993-1994)  NEA Research
    
    1. Conn.	$49,910
    2. Alaska	 46,581
    3. N.Y. 	 45,772
    4. N.J.	 44,693
    5. D.C.	 42,543
    
    Guess D.C. does have the highest after all.
    
    Marc
    

    2 points, take down, MacGregor.
    
    Mark.

>    1. Conn.	$49,910
>    2. Alaska	 46,581

There's an extremely interesting dichotomy here.

When I was in college, one of my Ed professors had a daughter who was a
teacher in Alaska.  She taught in three towns, and ultimately had to get
her pilot's license to shuttle back and forth between the towns.

Plus in Alaska I guess stuff is *really* expensive.....


'Saw
    

    THat's not fair using facts to take down Mike. He doesn't use them.
    Why do you have to?   :^)
    
    Mike

>>>    Average Salaries (1993-1994)  NEA Research
    
>>>    1. Conn.	$49,910
>>>    2. Alaska	 46,581
>>>    3. N.Y. 	 45,772
>>>    4. N.J.	 44,693
>>>    5. D.C.	 42,543
    
>>>    Guess D.C. does have the highest after all.
    
Apples to oranges - DC is the only truly urban area listed; the rest are 
states with large areas of rural and suburban populations.

Would you have the NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. figures available? 
    
Clark

From Mike H:

>    not just here 'Saw, it's all over.  Between OBE and liberals using B.F.
>    Skinner's techniques to brainwash children to honor group rights instead 
>    of individual rights, we're cranking out kids who can't read, write,
>    and make change.

From Tommy B:
    
>      I though this was the 'High School Sports' note not the
>     'Mike Heiser and his wacko religious right politics' note.

From Mike H:

>    tommy, when you have a few kids in public school and are involved
>    enough in your local schools to have a clue, then you can talk.  
>    Otherwise, you're just as uninformed as ever.  First the Discovery Zone 
>    thread, now this.  You could double your credibility by remaining silent.

From Sid:

    As someone who has kids in public school and has been involved enough
    in the local schools (and educational research) to have far more than
    simply a clue, I would have to say that Tommy's characterization of
    Mike's analysis of public education is pretty close to the mark.  While
    Tommy *may* be uninformed on this subject (I don't know), it didn't
    stop him from nailing this one.

    As for home-schooled kids being allowed to participate in public school
    sporting programs, I think I have to go with the "let them participate"
    crowd.  Public education is rooted in the concept of community.  It is
    an integral part of the greater society, not some peripheral appendage.
    Those children who receive their education outside the public school
    system are still part of that same greater community.  I guess I feel
    that the "who pays" issue is a detail to be worked out, not a driving
    force.  The fullness and richness of a child's education (and that
    includes far more than the three Rs) continues to be the responsibility
    of all of us.
    
    Sid 
    
    P.S. I'll have to play hit-and-run with this note, since I don't know
    when I'll look in here next.  This note caught my eye last night.  If
    you wish to continue the discussion with me, Mike, send mail.  I
    promise not be hurt if you don't.  :-)

    
 >> Apples to oranges - DC is the only truly urban area listed; the rest are 
 >> states with large areas of rural and suburban populations.

     If anything, the rural areas would be dragging down the averages for 
     Conn., NY and NJ. The pay scale in NYC is certainly higher than it
     is in Watertown, NY. Even so, none of this has anything to do with
     sports or high school sports.
    

    
    Clark,
    
    >Apples to oranges - DC is the only truly urban area listed; the rest
    >are states with large areas of rural and suburban populations.
    
    >Would you have the NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. figures available?
    
    Unfortunately I don't have the individual city statistics available and
    you are correct that having a state higher does not necessarily mean
    that the city has more.  However, let's think about this a moment.  How
    many teachers in the state of NY are in a city (I don't know, but it is
    a very large number)?  How many are not in a city (also a large
    number)?  If the city of NY is less than $42,543, then how much must
    the rest of the state be to make up the difference to reach $45,772. 
    My *guess* would be around $50,000+   
    
    Now I don't know about NY, but I am a teacher part time and I can
    assure you that *most* rural areas pass a whole lot less than the urban
    ones.
    
    And what about Alaska, how many teachers are there that aren't in
    cities.  My guess is virtually none.  So to make up the difference the
    rural ones must be paid a ton of money.
    
    
    In any case, you are correct.  I don't have individual city numbers,
    just the 50 states and the District of Columbia.  However, I'd be
    willing to bet my paycheck that Mikes statement is inaccurate.
    
    Marc
    

>    Your information conflicts with Tony Snow's (of USA Today) research.

You mean Tony Snow of subsitute_for_Rush fame?

BTW, did Rush play high school sports?

TTom

No, but I heard the intro: Live, from the back of Dennis Rodman's
motorcycle ... ".

The great thing about Babe is that she knows practically nothing about
sports. She sounds like all her knowledge is from USA Today and if'n the
name aint in the headlines she don't know it.

And she don't know nothing about no high school sports, fer sure.

TTom

>BTW, did Rush play high school sports?

  Nope, a little too chubby to make the team or run a 9.5 forty.

	Keith

>    OUTSRC::HEISER "Grace changes everything"
>                  1 line 21-MAR-1995 11:43                    
>    -< I only listen to sports talk radio >----
    
    
    Who do you listen to in the morning drive time?

    >Who do you listen to in the morning drive time?
    
    Eric Johnson, The Simple Minds and other non-mainstream music.
    
    Mark.

      
    >Who do you listen to in the morning drive time?
    
    Currently loaded in the CD player in the car:

    Liz Phair's Exile in Guyville
    Hootie & the Blowfish
    Green Day
    Soundgarden
    Freedie Johnson
    Wheezer
    EC's Behind the Sun
    Grass Roots Greatest Hits Vol 1
    Skynyrd's Gold and Platinum
    The Call's Let the Day Begin

    I've only got a 30 minute ride in, so I hit random scan on 
    get a little of each on the way in.

    daryll

Hmmm....

I listen to Imus on the way in, but the tape in the tape player is the
latest opus from the Allman Brothers.

The tape in the tape player here is "Der Ring des Nibelungen", well, actually
highlights from....  That's Wagner's cycle of operas for those without
a classical bent.

I've been listening to a lot more classical music lately.


Did anyone catch the 60 Minutes report on Kurt Mazur the other evening, the
Music Director of the New York Philharmonic AND the Leipzig Orchestra?


'Saw

And speaking of high school sports, Stephon Marbury from Brooklyn has
been named the high school boys player of the year.

Marbury is headed to Georgia Tech for all of those who don't show the
ACC enough respect ;-).

TTom

  <<< Note 16.559 by OUTSRC::HEISER "Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai" >>>

   >>    The Call's Let the Day Begin
    
    >is this new?  I liked some of their early stuff.

    It's about 4 years old actually. I have Red Moon as well.

    daryll

    >>I have Red Moon as well.
    
    You really should be the spank(er) instead of the spank(ee) 
    at least until that clears up.
    
    
    billl

>    You really should be the spank(er) instead of the spank(ee) 
>    at least until that clears up.
    
Just as long as you're not the wanker....

    
	So, TTom, did he break it?
    
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VNS SPORTS REPORT:                                 [Don Canney, VNS Sports Desk]
==================                                 [Merrimack, NH, USA         ]

"CLOSE TO HOME":

Thanks to Peter Flack in the Morrisville, NC office for the following story on
a member of the Digital family:

Shawn Gallagher, son of Ed Gallagher, (Digital employee) tied the national
high school baseball hitting streak record when he had a hit in his 51st
consecutive game.  He will attempting to break the record on Tuesday night.
He plays for New Hanover High School in Wilmington, NC, which is currently 20-0
and rated number 1 in the country in most high school polls (including USA
Today).  He is batting .629 (!!) and a couple of weeks ago, tied another
national high school record by hitting 5 home runs in one game! (This news item
was on the major wire services and ESPN - and might be in USA Today as well).
                                                                               

5 dingers in one game!

Who was the genius who pitched to him the 4th and 5th times?

	Reported on ESPN this morning that the streak was ended at 51
	games ...

	Also reported a bit of trivia ... who holds the longest hitting
	streak in professional (majors and minors) baseball? And how long
	was the streak?

	Vinny

>	Also reported a bit of trivia ... who holds the longest hitting
>	streak in professional (majors and minors) baseball? And how long
>	was the streak?

        Didn't Joe D. have a 60+ game hitting streak in the minors ?  

  Wilt Chamberlain hitting on women in bars?

  George

>>        Didn't Joe D. have a 60+ game hitting streak in the minors ?  

	Yup ... 61 games ...

    	Could someone give me directions to Danvers High School, I will
    	be coming from Westminster.  

         For the second year running, the country boyz from Ashby,
    Pepperell and Townsend (North Middlesex Regional H.S.) prevailed over
    big bad Brockton High School, this year by a 14-13 score.  North
    Middlesex stopped All-World running back Peter Harris, on a fourth
    and short, inside the NMRHS 20, late in the game, to preserve the win.
    
         Today's practice with Coach Columbo will be none too pleasant for
    the Boxers!
    
    Russ

    
    	Granted Brockton is a power house. However what coach goes for
    the lead in the 3rd quarter, instead of the tie? He goes for 2 and
    a 15-14 lead. Instead of the extra point and a 14-14 tie. They don't
    score the 2 and trail 14-13. Then don't score again and lose. Also
    does anybody know ANY high school team with a field goal kicker?
    4th and short late in the 4th quarter. Inside your opponets 20. Do
    you attempt a 32-35 yrd field goal to win? Even if you get the 1st
    down. You still havn't scored.
    
    Ron

    I think there are quite a few High School teams with Field goal
    kickers. On my 7th and 8th grade team I have a 7th grader who can kick
    a 30 yard field goal. I saw Newburyport High win a game 2 years ago
    where the differance was a 40 yard field goal. 

    RE: .573
    
    Not sure if anyone was at the game, but I was.  When Peter Harris
    (Barry Sanders like) ran 46 yds for the touchdown to make it 14-13
    NM, Columbo didn't even flinch.  He held up 2 fingers.  Brockton
    ran a pitch to Robert Simmons, STUFFED by NM.    
    
    As far as the end of the game when it was 4th and 2 on the North 
    Middlesex's 11 yd line.  I agree with Colombos's decision to go
    for it.  It was a screen pass to Harris, Jeff Grieder made the play
    of his football career and tackled Harris.  Had he slipped past
    Grieder.... touchdown Brockton.
    
    Hats off to North Middlesex's coaches!  They did a great job!
    My step-son, Jason O'Loughlin (12 carries 94 yds) told me after the
    game that Brockton played dirty all night.  One time when QB Scot
    Ruggles was down, a Brockton player came in and punched Ruggles in 
    the groin. (Ouch!)  Others got the same treatment.  
    
    Total team effort!  
    Westboro at home on Friday night.
    
    
    Steve

>    Ruggles was down, a Brockton player came in and punched Ruggles in 
>    the groin. (Ouch!)  Others got the same treatment.  
    


This reminds me of how Hawk always laughed about Don King complaining
that the opponent punched his man "in da tes-tic-kals!"

    	Westboro should be tough this year and will contend for the
    	Mid-Wach B title, but NMRH maybe just a little bit better. 
    	I am happy for Coach Ruggles and NMRH, I played @ Oakmont Regional
    	and that was one team you had to be up for when you played them. 
    	Great Coach and the kids like to play for him . . . Brockton was 
        ranked 11th in the County and lost so I wonder if NMRH will be 
        ranked?  
    
    	Oakmont plays Holyoke this weekend at home.  Holyoke has 
    	RB Cedric Washington who is a 1995 Reebok Pre-season All-American! 
                                                    

    
    Brockton, who last week was ranked 11 in the Nation and 3 in the 
    East region dropped out of sight of everything. (Thanks to NM 8^)
    
    North Middlesex is not ranked nationally nor should it be.  Granted
    we beat a high ranked team, but our schedule does not warrent a 
    National ranking.  
    
    The past two years Westboro has lost to NM 0-35 in each game.
    But like -.1 said Westboro should have a good year.
    
    Steve

    Brockton is back in the local area this friday night. Chelmsford
    will host them,  be there early....   what a battle this will be !!
    
    frank

    
    O.k.  Everyone watch Channel 5 sports Friday night at 6:00pm.
    North Middlesex made it as this weeks "High 5" !!
    
    Congrat's NM... You all deserve it!
    
    

    
    Leominster at North Middlesex 11/10.

    RE .580 >>  O.k.  Everyone watch Channel 5 sports Friday night at
    6:00pm. North Middlesex made it as this weeks "High 5" !!
    
    I happened to catch this, very impressed with the BIG win over
    brockton. I didn't now they were on such an impressive streak.
    
    
                                                          Lil Ed
    
    

    What was the final Brockton-Chelmsford score. I heard Chelmsford laid a
    big time whooping on the boys from Brockton but didn't hear the score.
    
    Mike

    It was an unbelievable 37-6 at the half!!!!!  Brockton scored two
    meaningless touchdowns against the Chelmsford third string to make the
    final look slightly more respectable at 51-26, but it was a serious
    ass-whuppin Tom Caito's boys gave to ol' Armand Columbo.
    
    Can't wait for the Xaverian - Chelmsford game later this year.
    
    NAZZ

    Chelmsford beat Brockton in every aspect of football. Ran the football
    whenever. Jason Biladeau of Chelmsford rushed for 199 yards. the 
    defense scored two TD's. one returning an interception, the other, they
    stole the ball between a backfield exchange. Chelmsford was prepared to
    play football, Brockton came to play a game..
    
    Chelmsford certainly retains its number 1 rank....
    
    frank 

    
    	North Middlesex had an easy time of it Friday night against
    Wachusett.  Final score was 41-7.  At the half NM was up 34-0.
    Lots of subs played the second half.
    
    Jason O'loughlin -> 2 tds, 4 carries 43 yds, 1 reception 72yds.
    
    

Meantime, in CT, Chesire set the new state record for a win streak.

Prior to Friday evening, Chesire had won 36 straight games.  Friday evening
they defeated Southington 28-14 to set the new state record for a winning
streak.

Congrats to the kids from Chesire.


'Saw

    Xaverian waxed pretender to the throne Malden Catholic 33-15 Friday
    evening.  Nice to see X coach Charlie Stevenson pull a Michigan and
    refuse to run up the score.
    
    Also nice to see Brockton move to 0-3, and Armand show his class by
    sprinting to the team bus to avoid reporters.  Wadda dipweed.
    
    NAZZ

    
    North Middlesex continues to roll (4-0).  NM beat Milford 35-20 Friday 
    night.  Defense wasn't all that good, but the offense carried
    the team.  Jason O'Loughlin 14 carries 172 yds and 3 td's.
    
    Brockton beat Fitchburg 29-20
    Doherty beat Leominster 14-8
    Westboro beat Marlboro 6-0
    and yesterday
    Lowell beat Chelmsford!

    
    	North Middlesex stays undefeated.  St Johns of Shrewsbury played
    NM even the first quarter. (0-0) but then NM's offense came alive.
    Jason O'Loughlin 11 carries 144 yds 3tds, 
    St Johns couldn't convert key 4th down plays in the first half.
    Final Score: North Middlesex 32 St Johns 20
    
    Scary Moment: Early in the 3rd quarter All-Star fullback/Middle LB
    Matt Dawson came out with his left arm just hanging.  Found out
    later that Matt couldn't feel anything in his arm.  (Pinched Nerve in
    his neck.)
    
    Shrewsbury next week.
    
    Steve

    
    	Tewksbury beats Chelmsford, 28-27 to stay undefeated.
    	Lowell beats New Bedford, 27-20, N.B. winner of 19 straight and 2 SB's.
    
    	Lowell plays undefeated Tewksbury this Saturday afternoon at
    Tewksbury.

    
    	North Middlesex had an easy time of it Friday night beating
    Shrewsbury 41-6.  Six different NM players scored touchdowns.
    Over 60 NM players saw action.
    
    	Next game is Friday night at Marlboro.