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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

778.0. "Pro Football 1996-1997" by ACISS1::BATTIS (New Chevy Blazer owner) Wed Aug 21 1996 11:22

    
    ok, the season is nearly upon us. Who do you think will win
    their respective divisions, and who will wind up in the Super
    Bowl for 1997?
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778.1POLAR::RICHARDSONSo far away from meWed Aug 21 1996 11:251
    We should do a picks pool and see who is the best prognosticator.
778.2ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerWed Aug 21 1996 11:2513
    
    NFC Central: Green Bay Packers
    NFC East:    Dallas Cowboys
    NFC West:    San Fransisco 49'ers
    
    AFC West: Kansas City Chiefs
    AFC East: New England Patriots
    AFC Central: Pittsburgh Steelers
    
    Super Bowl: Green Bay Packers  vs Kansas City Chiefs
    
    Winner: Green Bay Packers
    
778.3ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerWed Aug 21 1996 11:262
    
    ok, we could do it weekly. rank them 15-1 or by points spread?
778.4POLAR::RICHARDSONSo far away from meWed Aug 21 1996 11:271
    1 point per correct pick, no spreads.
778.5Dallas, although I hope not...GAAS::BRAUCHERWelcome to ParadiseWed Aug 21 1996 12:147
    
      The Cowboys will stumble early with Emmitt out and Michael on
     suspension.  They will put it together by November and will go
     on to win it all, humiliating the Pats in December along the
     way.  No other team has the personnel to match them.
    
      bb
778.6BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Wed Aug 21 1996 12:206
| <<< Note 778.5 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "Welcome to Paradise" >>>


| No other team has the personnel to match them.

	This is good. We don't need more stinkin burnin bodies!
778.7The guy they will miss the most...SALEM::DODASometimes the truth is all you getWed Aug 21 1996 12:2211
           <<< Note 778.5 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "Welcome to Paradise" >>>
                      -< Dallas, although I hope not... >-
    
    >  The Cowboys will stumble early with Emmitt out and Michael on
    > suspension.  They will put it together by November and will go
    > on to win it all, humiliating the Pats in December along the
    > way.  No other team has the personnel to match them.
    
    Uh, who's their TE?

    daryll
778.8GAVEL::JANDROWi think, therefore i have a headacheWed Aug 21 1996 14:044
    
    i think those jaguars are gonna surprise a lot of people this year!!
    
    
778.9PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Aug 21 1996 14:101
    FortyWhiners will win it all.
778.10OTOOA::BERNARDAffairs of the heart can hurtWed Aug 21 1996 14:3514
    
    Predicts
    
    AFC East - New England
    AFC Central - Baltimore
    AFC West - Denver
    
    NFC East - Washington
    NFC Central - G.B
    NFC West - Atlanta
    
    New England will defeat Atlanta for the BOWL.
    
    Smile'in Jack
778.11GENRAL::RALSTONOnly half of us are above average!Wed Aug 21 1996 15:223
    >New England will defeat Atlanta for the BOWL.  
    
    Hehehehehehehe!!
778.12ACISS2::LEECHWed Aug 21 1996 15:382
    I predict that the Bengals will have an equal number of wins and
    losses.  A bold prediction, perhaps, but I make it nonetheless.
778.13Icky shuffle.OTOOA::BERNARDLiquid CourageWed Aug 21 1996 15:411
    
778.14ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerWed Aug 21 1996 16:263
    
    Steve, at least you have Kijana Carter back this year. Plus, i like
    Jeff Blake, very strong arm.
778.15ACISS2::LEECHWed Aug 21 1996 17:047
    They did pretty good in pre-season, but that's rather meaningless, IMO. 
    FWIW, they lost about 5-6 games last year by less than a touchdown -
    most by 3 pts. or less.  Not that they would have won the superbowl or
    anything, but they would have had a decent record.  8^)
    
    
    -steve
778.16MFGFIN::E_WALKERK225.81 23S:115Wed Aug 21 1996 18:191
         It's the Cowboys and Colts this year. No question about it. 
778.17ACISS1::SCHELTERWed Aug 21 1996 18:4411
    Mark!  You're picking the Packers for the Superbowl???
    I don't want no steenkin Bears fan cheering for my team.  B^)
    I must admit I, do like their chance this year.  Depends on Farves
    health.  After that medication addiction thing, he will need
    to find other means of pain relief.  Or, miss a game here or
    there...
    
    
    Mike
    
    
778.18MFGFIN::E_WALKERK225.81 23S:115Wed Aug 21 1996 22:0410
         The way the NFL is set up now, no team but Dallas or possibly the
    49ers will EVER win a superbowl. The AFC will remain a complete
    shambles for a long time, although the teams are slowly improving.
    Green Bay might have a remote chance, but the Patriots will be in the
    gutter this year with strong competition from Miami, Indianapolis, and
    Buffalo. The Broncos look strong now, but we've seen this routine
    before. Expect another off and on season. At least they've gotten back
    to the point where other teams fear Mile High Stadium. Kansas City
    remains the most overrated team in the NFL, with the Raiders a close
    second. 
778.19THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Wed Aug 21 1996 22:071
    Go Pats!!!
778.20Football?BIS1::BRIGGSDenzil Briggs, DTN 856-7679Thu Aug 22 1996 04:494
    Football?  Do you guys not watch real football (soccer)?  Here I was
    getting a little excited about a football note to find it's American 
    Football.
    
778.21soccer???FABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhThu Aug 22 1996 06:398
778.22just a thoughtFABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhThu Aug 22 1996 06:469
778.23ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerThu Aug 22 1996 09:406
778.24OHFSS1::POMEROYThu Aug 22 1996 09:4713
778.25BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Thu Aug 22 1996 10:4413
778.26ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerThu Aug 22 1996 10:503
778.27GAAS::BRAUCHERWelcome to ParadiseThu Aug 22 1996 10:514
778.28ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerThu Aug 22 1996 10:565
778.29<Bright Red Face>OHFSS1::POMEROYThu Aug 22 1996 13:165
778.30PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Aug 22 1996 13:211
778.31SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsThu Aug 22 1996 14:561
778.32CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowThu Aug 22 1996 15:0311
778.33ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerThu Aug 22 1996 15:306
778.34SCASS1::BARBER_Aall of which are American dreamsThu Aug 22 1996 15:323
778.35ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerThu Aug 22 1996 15:362
778.36POLAR::RICHARDSONSo far away from meThu Aug 22 1996 15:377
778.37Bwah... :-)DECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefThu Aug 22 1996 15:4715
778.38MFGFIN::E_WALKERK225.81 23S:115Thu Aug 22 1996 18:072
778.39POLAR::RICHARDSONSo far away from meThu Aug 22 1996 18:122
778.40THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Thu Aug 22 1996 18:251
778.41MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Aug 22 1996 20:214
778.42say it isn't so..THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Thu Aug 22 1996 20:263
778.43makes for a spectacular Monday nightFABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhThu Aug 22 1996 21:4317
778.44AFC will win the Super Bowl this yearFABSIX::D_HORTERTThu Aug 22 1996 23:3921
778.45MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Aug 22 1996 23:514
778.46MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Aug 22 1996 23:554
778.47CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowThu Aug 22 1996 23:563
778.48THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Fri Aug 23 1996 00:021
778.49good buyFABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhFri Aug 23 1996 00:106
778.50POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideFri Aug 23 1996 00:113
778.51MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdFri Aug 23 1996 00:132
778.52FABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhFri Aug 23 1996 00:165
778.53POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideFri Aug 23 1996 00:203
778.54THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Fri Aug 23 1996 00:202
778.55ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerFri Aug 23 1996 09:522
778.56I've got Bollocks.OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightFri Aug 23 1996 12:1311
778.57predictionDELNI::SHOOKI Golf, Therefore I SwearFri Aug 23 1996 13:016
778.58MKOTS3::JMARTINMadison...5&#039;2&#039;&#039; 95 lbs.Fri Aug 23 1996 13:043
778.59PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Aug 23 1996 13:351
778.60ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerFri Aug 23 1996 13:493
778.61Go Pats Go Go Pats GoOTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightFri Aug 23 1996 14:396
778.62PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Aug 23 1996 15:232
778.63WAHOO::LEVESQUEa crimson flare from a raging sunFri Aug 23 1996 16:491
778.64ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerFri Aug 23 1996 16:542
778.65:-)JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit&#039;s Gentle BreezeFri Aug 23 1996 16:543
778.66ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerFri Aug 23 1996 17:172
778.67Green Bay All The Way!!!RICKS::TOOHEYOurselves AloneFri Aug 23 1996 17:516
778.68MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdFri Aug 23 1996 18:303
778.69thanx :~)FABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhFri Aug 23 1996 21:277
778.70FABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhSat Aug 24 1996 00:095
778.71POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideSat Aug 24 1996 00:154
778.72FABSIX::B_LAZZARALike a rockSat Aug 24 1996 00:173
778.73FABSIX::P_OHALLORANGo mbeanfaigh Dia sibhSat Aug 24 1996 00:206
778.74MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdSat Aug 24 1996 00:292
778.75MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdSat Aug 24 1996 00:301
778.76or repeatTHEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Sat Aug 24 1996 01:231
778.77RICKS::TOOHEYOurselves AloneSat Aug 24 1996 10:506
778.78THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Sat Aug 24 1996 15:522
778.79go pats go!DELNI::SHOOKI Golf, Therefore I SwearMon Aug 26 1996 04:285
778.80OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightMon Aug 26 1996 09:557
778.81ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerMon Aug 26 1996 10:184
778.82OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightMon Aug 26 1996 11:354
778.83BIGQ::SILVAquince.ljo.dec.com/www/decplus/Mon Aug 26 1996 12:191
778.84OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightMon Aug 26 1996 16:492
778.85MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdMon Aug 26 1996 18:383
778.86ACISS1::BATTISNew Chevy Blazer ownerTue Aug 27 1996 09:523
778.87Pack Over Chiefs (with my heart!)STRATA::BARBIERITue Aug 27 1996 11:5415
778.88OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightTue Aug 27 1996 12:075
778.89"Paula, You'll Get Over Me!"STRATA::BARBIERITue Aug 27 1996 17:142
778.90OTOOA::BERNARDI experienced love at first sightWed Aug 28 1996 09:574
778.91Oh Man!STRATA::BARBIERIWed Aug 28 1996 10:141
778.92ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 11:332
778.93OTOOA::BERNARDNowhere to run and Nowhere to hideWed Aug 28 1996 13:517
778.94SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Wed Aug 28 1996 13:544
778.95NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Aug 28 1996 13:581
778.96PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BWed Aug 28 1996 13:595
778.97So "person B" has a sense of Humor.OTOOA::BERNARDNowhere to run and Nowhere to hideWed Aug 28 1996 14:249
778.98OTOOA::BERNARDNowhere to run and Nowhere to hideWed Aug 28 1996 14:274
778.99MKOTS3::JMARTINMadison...5&#039;2&#039;&#039; 95 lbs.Wed Aug 28 1996 14:381
778.100Get out of that Jello tree fruitcake.OTOOA::BERNARDNowhere to run and Nowhere to hideWed Aug 28 1996 14:458
778.101MKOTS3::JMARTINMadison...5&#039;2&#039;&#039; 95 lbs.Wed Aug 28 1996 14:471
778.102ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 16:208
778.103how far back OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Aug 28 1996 16:225
778.104ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 16:312
778.105CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowWed Aug 28 1996 16:3214
778.106ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 16:373
778.107OTOOA::BERNARDCan&#039;t do itWed Aug 28 1996 16:426
778.108OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Aug 28 1996 16:434
778.109ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 16:483
778.110OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Aug 28 1996 17:034
778.111ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetWed Aug 28 1996 17:204
778.112You Guys Are Too Young!!!STRATA::BARBIERIWed Aug 28 1996 18:545
778.113PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Wed Aug 28 1996 20:471
778.114WMOIS::CONNELLStory does that to us.Wed Aug 28 1996 21:0210
778.115THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Wed Aug 28 1996 22:062
778.116POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideWed Aug 28 1996 22:113
778.117THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Wed Aug 28 1996 22:141
778.118POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideWed Aug 28 1996 22:166
778.119BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Wed Aug 28 1996 23:2915
778.120THEMAX::SMITH_SR.I.P.-30AUG96Wed Aug 28 1996 23:583
778.121PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Thu Aug 29 1996 01:291
778.122ACISS1::BATTISBlazer = babe magnetThu Aug 29 1996 09:248
778.123predictionGAAS::BRAUCHERWelcome to ParadiseThu Aug 29 1996 09:535
778.124ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanThu Aug 29 1996 10:043
778.125POLAR::RICHARDSONI&#039;m brave but my chicken&#039;s sickThu Aug 29 1996 10:491
778.126OTOOA::BERNARDCan&#039;t do itThu Aug 29 1996 12:0624
778.127PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Thu Aug 29 1996 12:311
778.128HOOEY::TOOHEYOurselves AloneThu Aug 29 1996 12:466
778.129BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Thu Aug 29 1996 13:121
778.130MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Aug 29 1996 22:019
778.131PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Fri Aug 30 1996 13:142
778.132OTOOA::BERNARDYou can&#039;t give it away on 7th AvenueFri Aug 30 1996 14:4310
778.133OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 11:3326
778.134CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowTue Sep 03 1996 11:3712
778.135You asked.OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 11:527
778.136OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 11:568
778.137MKOTS3::JMARTINCleaver...YOU&#039;RE FIRED!!!Tue Sep 03 1996 12:035
778.138WAHOO::LEVESQUEa crimson flare from a raging sunTue Sep 03 1996 12:041
778.139Wait till next year...GAAS::BRAUCHERWelcome to ParadiseTue Sep 03 1996 12:167
778.140ACISS2::LEECHTue Sep 03 1996 12:205
778.141ACISS2::LEECHTue Sep 03 1996 12:222
778.142OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 12:334
778.143CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowTue Sep 03 1996 12:4817
778.144OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 14:146
778.145WAHOO::LEVESQUEa crimson flare from a raging sunTue Sep 03 1996 14:201
778.146CSLALL::HENDERSONEvery knee shall bowTue Sep 03 1996 15:463
778.147OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerTue Sep 03 1996 16:1727
778.148ACISS2::LEECHTue Sep 03 1996 17:1637
778.149MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdTue Sep 03 1996 18:434
778.150ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 04 1996 10:014
778.151ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 04 1996 12:5121
778.152OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerWed Sep 04 1996 15:3111
778.153ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 04 1996 15:463
778.154OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerWed Sep 04 1996 15:575
778.155OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerWed Sep 04 1996 16:5622
778.156ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 04 1996 17:062
778.157PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Wed Sep 04 1996 22:331
778.158ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanThu Sep 05 1996 10:034
778.159OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerThu Sep 05 1996 10:0411
778.160Cowpokes are deadPHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Thu Sep 05 1996 12:173
778.161OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerThu Sep 05 1996 16:1312
778.162BUSY::SLABAlways a Best Man, never a groomThu Sep 05 1996 16:219
778.163And what was your point Slab.OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerThu Sep 05 1996 16:268
778.164OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerThu Sep 05 1996 16:326
778.165BUSY::SLABAlways a Best Man, never a groomThu Sep 05 1996 16:5816
778.166MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Sep 05 1996 17:472
778.167CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Sep 05 1996 17:498
778.168SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulThu Sep 05 1996 17:517
778.169MKOTS3::JMARTINI Need To Get Out More!Thu Sep 05 1996 17:534
778.170CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Sep 05 1996 17:5314
778.171MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Sep 05 1996 17:553
778.172CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Sep 05 1996 17:577
778.173PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Thu Sep 05 1996 18:062
778.174MFGFIN::E_WALKERNight of the Living EdThu Sep 05 1996 18:083
778.175SX4GTO::OLSONDBTC Palo AltoThu Sep 05 1996 18:149
778.176PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Thu Sep 05 1996 19:351
778.177WAHOO::LEVESQUEZiiiiingiiiingiiiiiiing!Fri Sep 06 1996 08:201
778.178ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanFri Sep 06 1996 09:274
778.179PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Fri Sep 06 1996 13:071
778.180MROA::YANNEKISHi, I&#039;m a 10 year NOTES addictFri Sep 06 1996 14:237
778.181OTOOA::BERNARDPeace through Superior Fire PowerFri Sep 06 1996 14:3813
778.182I saw this coming...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Sep 09 1996 10:466
778.183PatriotsCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Sep 09 1996 10:574
778.184ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanMon Sep 09 1996 11:152
778.185ACISS2::LEECHMon Sep 09 1996 14:391
778.186MFGFIN::E_WALKERFuture Pizza BoyMon Sep 09 1996 18:253
778.187Toilet BowlPHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Mon Sep 09 1996 20:091
778.188MFGFIN::E_WALKERFuture Pizza BoyMon Sep 09 1996 20:144
778.189ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanTue Sep 10 1996 09:355
778.190SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulTue Sep 10 1996 09:429
778.191WAHOO::LEVESQUEZiiiiingiiiingiiiiiiing!Tue Sep 10 1996 09:5312
778.192ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanTue Sep 10 1996 10:015
778.193Fickle fanSTAR::JESSOPTam quid?Tue Sep 10 1996 10:538
778.194Payton Manning sweepstakesPHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Tue Sep 10 1996 11:304
778.195MFGFIN::E_WALKERFuture Pizza BoyTue Sep 10 1996 18:074
778.196POLAR::RICHARDSONI won&#039;t get soapedTue Sep 10 1996 18:106
778.197PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Tue Sep 10 1996 18:1810
778.198ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 11 1996 09:252
778.199Reached their level...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Sep 11 1996 10:106
778.200ACISS2::LEECHWed Sep 11 1996 10:259
778.201SMURF::WALTERSWed Sep 11 1996 11:031
778.202OK, so I'm no artist.STAR::JESSOPTam quid?Wed Sep 11 1996 11:0714
778.203SMURF::WALTERSWed Sep 11 1996 11:081
778.204ACISS1::BATTISChicago Bears fanWed Sep 11 1996 11:334
778.205PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Wed Sep 11 1996 12:504
778.206ACISS2::LEECHThu Sep 12 1996 10:209
778.207ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 09:407
778.208ACISS2::LEECHMon Sep 16 1996 10:582
778.209ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 11:022
778.210WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Sep 16 1996 12:483
778.211;-OSHOGUN::KOWALEWICZAre you from away?Mon Sep 16 1996 12:524
778.212POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideMon Sep 16 1996 12:535
778.213NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Sep 16 1996 12:541
778.214ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 13:382
778.215WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Sep 16 1996 14:189
778.216PHXSS1::HEISERmaranatha!Mon Sep 16 1996 14:232
778.217ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 14:242
778.218SALEM::DODASearching for the next distractionMon Sep 16 1996 14:278
778.219ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 14:374
778.220ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 16 1996 17:244
778.221BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Sep 16 1996 17:416
778.222SALEM::DODASearching for the next distractionMon Sep 16 1996 19:143
778.223THEMAX::E_WALKERAsk me about your wifeMon Sep 16 1996 19:366
778.224OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Sep 17 1996 07:324
778.225ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Sep 17 1996 09:159
778.226OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Sep 17 1996 09:497
778.227SUBSYS::NEUMYERYour memory still hangin roundTue Sep 17 1996 10:186
778.228ACISS2::LEECHTue Sep 17 1996 15:502
778.229ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Sep 17 1996 16:314
778.230think i'll tune inGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Sep 20 1996 11:414
778.231WMOIS::GIROUARD_CFri Sep 20 1996 12:004
778.232THEMAX::E_WALKERI&#039;d rather be in VegasFri Sep 20 1996 18:062
778.233SALEM::DODASearching for the next distractionFri Sep 20 1996 18:091
778.234TROOA::BUTKOVICHwhy do birds suddenly appear...Mon Sep 23 1996 00:103
778.235POLAR::RICHARDSONThere ain&#039;t no easy way outMon Sep 23 1996 00:141
778.236ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 09:245
778.237ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 23 1996 09:511
778.238ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 09:573
778.239good gameACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 23 1996 10:062
778.240CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Sep 23 1996 10:073
778.241ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 10:204
778.242BummerYIELD::BARBIERIMon Sep 23 1996 10:214
778.243ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 10:234
778.244POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideMon Sep 23 1996 10:265
778.245ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 23 1996 10:288
778.246ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 10:335
778.247another day at the office ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Sep 23 1996 10:397
778.248CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Sep 23 1996 10:414
778.249ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 23 1996 10:422
778.250Yes! Great game!SALEM::DODASearching for the next distractionMon Sep 23 1996 10:433
778.251Um, where are you from ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Sep 23 1996 10:525
778.252ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 23 1996 11:493
778.253THEMAX::E_WALKERI&#039;d rather be in VegasMon Sep 23 1996 18:023
778.254ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Sep 24 1996 09:311
778.255ColtsSHRCTR::PJOHNSONaut disce, aut discedeTue Sep 24 1996 09:400
778.256thanksACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Sep 24 1996 09:561
778.257POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideTue Sep 24 1996 10:014
778.258ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Sep 24 1996 10:041
778.259SUBSYS::NEUMYERYour memory still hangin roundTue Sep 24 1996 10:074
778.260SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulTue Sep 24 1996 10:146
778.261ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Sep 24 1996 10:416
778.262I just can't bring myself to say KJWAHOO::LEVESQUEenergy spent on passion is never wastedTue Sep 24 1996 11:076
778.263ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Sep 24 1996 11:091
778.264SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulTue Sep 24 1996 12:157
778.265POLAR::RICHARDSONThere ain&#039;t no easy way outTue Sep 24 1996 12:344
778.266SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulTue Sep 24 1996 12:394
778.267BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Sep 24 1996 13:496
778.268SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulTue Sep 24 1996 14:264
778.269MFGFIN::E_WALKERI&#039;d rather be in VegasTue Sep 24 1996 18:011
778.270BUSY::SLABDo ya wanna bump and grind with me?Tue Sep 24 1996 18:065
778.271OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Sep 25 1996 01:403
778.272THEMAX::E_WALKERI&#039;d rather be in VegasWed Sep 25 1996 02:162
778.273BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Sep 25 1996 09:119
778.274ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyWed Sep 25 1996 09:383
778.275ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyWed Sep 25 1996 09:433
778.276ACISS1::SCHELTERWed Sep 25 1996 09:515
778.277ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyWed Sep 25 1996 09:543
778.278ACISS1::SCHELTERWed Sep 25 1996 09:597
778.279ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyWed Sep 25 1996 10:024
778.280BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Wed Sep 25 1996 10:398
778.281bar betGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Sep 25 1996 10:444
778.282WAHOO::LEVESQUEenergy spent on passion is never wastedWed Sep 25 1996 11:021
778.283ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyWed Sep 25 1996 11:464
778.284ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyWed Sep 25 1996 11:511
778.285THEMAX::E_WALKERI&#039;d rather be in VegasThu Sep 26 1996 02:063
778.286ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyThu Sep 26 1996 09:333
778.287POMPY::LESLIEAndy Leslie, DTN 847 6586Thu Sep 26 1996 11:0910
778.288BUSY::SLABLes MiserablesThu Sep 26 1996 11:575
778.289WAHOO::LEVESQUEenergy spent on passion is never wastedThu Sep 26 1996 12:021
778.290ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyThu Sep 26 1996 12:041
778.291more basically- DO you figure?WAHOO::LEVESQUEenergy spent on passion is never wastedThu Sep 26 1996 12:101
778.292BUSY::SLABLes MiserablesThu Sep 26 1996 12:183
778.293BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Thu Sep 26 1996 13:201
778.294SMURF::WALTERSThu Sep 26 1996 13:211
778.295ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyThu Sep 26 1996 13:242
778.296BUSY::SLABLolly^3 get your adverbs here.Thu Sep 26 1996 13:345
778.297ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyThu Sep 26 1996 16:248
778.298SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Sep 26 1996 16:354
778.299PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BThu Sep 26 1996 16:395
778.300NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Sep 26 1996 16:513
778.301ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyThu Sep 26 1996 17:252
778.302BUSY::SLABMinor code 16: car vs guardrailThu Sep 26 1996 17:463
778.303ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyFri Sep 27 1996 09:391
778.304GO PACK!!!YIELD::BARBIERISun Sep 29 1996 13:436
778.305ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 30 1996 09:433
778.306nice comebackGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Sep 30 1996 10:405
778.307ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 30 1996 10:564
778.308ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 30 1996 12:299
778.309ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Sep 30 1996 12:303
778.310ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 30 1996 13:463
778.311Would NOT Take DallasYIELD::BARBIERIMon Sep 30 1996 13:547
778.312GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeMon Sep 30 1996 14:039
778.313hard to stay undefeated...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Sep 30 1996 14:079
778.314ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyMon Sep 30 1996 14:103
778.315BUSY::SLABRepaint Your WagonMon Sep 30 1996 14:523
778.316ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 11:233
778.317leg brokeGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Oct 01 1996 11:279
778.318ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 01 1996 11:4310
778.319ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 12:072
778.320CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Oct 01 1996 12:087
778.321SALEM::DODAOut of my mind, back in 5 minutesTue Oct 01 1996 12:171
778.322ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 12:404
778.323kiss of death for a QbGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Oct 01 1996 14:275
778.324ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 14:295
778.325BYU QB'sYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 01 1996 15:375
778.326LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 15:401
778.327some are holders for FG kickers, tooACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 01 1996 15:521
778.328LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 16:032
778.329PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Oct 01 1996 16:065
778.330SALEM::DODAOut of my mind, back in 5 minutesTue Oct 01 1996 16:084
778.331re: .328ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 01 1996 16:093
778.332LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 16:104
778.333LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 16:123
778.334BUSY::SLABSpank you very much!Tue Oct 01 1996 16:134
778.335ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 16:303
778.336BUSY::SLABSpank you very much!Tue Oct 01 1996 16:566
778.337SALEM::DODAOut of my mind, back in 5 minutesTue Oct 01 1996 16:583
778.338LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 16:594
778.339BUSY::SLABSpank you very much!Tue Oct 01 1996 17:015
778.340ACISS1::BATTISBlazer BoyTue Oct 01 1996 17:334
778.341LANDO::OLIVER_Ba box of starsTue Oct 01 1996 17:363
778.342NPSS::MCSKEANEDavie Dodds IS E.T.Tue Oct 01 1996 17:408
778.343Nielson Wasn't That Good EitherYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 01 1996 19:131
778.344ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 09:325
778.345POMPY::LESLIEAndy, living in a Dilbert worldMon Oct 07 1996 09:396
778.34646 to 38 ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 07 1996 10:176
778.347SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulMon Oct 07 1996 10:485
778.348ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 12:094
778.349besides the Pats...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 07 1996 12:1713
778.350ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 12:263
778.351Is It On Yet???YIELD::BARBIERIMon Oct 07 1996 12:348
778.352ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 13:066
778.353deserve to lose with a stadium that badly named...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 07 1996 14:327
778.354ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 07 1996 15:541
778.355ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 07 1996 15:568
778.356ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 07 1996 15:589
778.357WAHOO::LEVESQUEdrinking life to the leesMon Oct 07 1996 15:591
778.358good thing it was at night - Bengals could maybe sneak out incognito...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 07 1996 16:048
778.359Cool!YIELD::BARBIERIMon Oct 07 1996 16:119
778.360ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 16:255
778.361POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideMon Oct 07 1996 16:285
778.362BUSY::SLABYank my doodle, it&#039;s a dandy.Mon Oct 07 1996 16:303
778.363ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 07 1996 16:414
778.364BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 07 1996 17:053
778.366the good old days....GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 07 1996 17:086
778.367SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Oct 07 1996 17:091
778.368ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 07 1996 18:045
778.369ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberTue Oct 08 1996 09:514
778.370ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 08 1996 10:453
778.3710 - 5. Into the crapper...VMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyWed Oct 09 1996 14:551
778.372ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyWed Oct 09 1996 16:181
778.373bad 3rd quarter in FoxboroGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 14 1996 11:205
778.374WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goMon Oct 14 1996 11:333
778.375ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 14 1996 12:143
778.376ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 14 1996 12:1912
778.377must see this oneGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 14 1996 12:246
778.378ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 14 1996 12:308
778.379BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 14 1996 12:363
778.380Hell, even I'd move to seattle for THIRTY SIX MILLION DOLLARSVMSNET::M_MACIOLEKFour54 Camaro/Only way to flyMon Oct 14 1996 12:596
778.381BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 14 1996 13:093
778.382GENRAL::RALSTONAtheism, Religion of the GodsMon Oct 14 1996 13:163
778.383PCBUOA::KRATZMon Oct 14 1996 13:403
778.384million $ arm, dime brainSALEM::DODAExcitable Boy, they all said...Mon Oct 14 1996 14:0712
778.385ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 14 1996 14:103
778.386ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 14 1996 16:292
778.387Anticipation Mounting...YIELD::BARBIERIMon Oct 14 1996 18:0012
778.388CADSYS::FENNELLNothing is planned by the sea and the sandMon Oct 14 1996 18:0512
778.389POLAR::RICHARDSONBitin&#039; off more than I can spewMon Oct 14 1996 18:081
778.390ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 15 1996 09:5110
778.391HANNAH::MODICADead employee walkingTue Oct 15 1996 09:535
778.392plus they have cheese wedge shaped 'hats' that they wear to gamesWAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goTue Oct 15 1996 09:592
778.393good kickGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Oct 15 1996 10:1810
778.394Brooks GoneYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 15 1996 10:269
778.395ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 15 1996 10:318
778.396My Assessment of Injury SituationYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 15 1996 10:4228
778.397ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 15 1996 11:356
778.398"If A, Then B"YIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 15 1996 11:594
778.399GENRAL::RALSTONAtheism, Religion of the GodsTue Oct 15 1996 12:155
778.400GENRAL::RALSTONAtheism, Religion of the GodsTue Oct 15 1996 12:161
778.401Not Real Concerned About ThatYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 15 1996 12:3514
778.402WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goTue Oct 15 1996 14:279
778.403SALEM::DODAExcitable Boy, they all said...Tue Oct 15 1996 14:4113
778.404AccuracyYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 15 1996 18:449
778.405ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberWed Oct 16 1996 10:323
778.406WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goWed Oct 16 1996 10:372
778.407Not that he'd be the differenceSALEM::DODAExcitable Boy, they all said...Wed Oct 16 1996 10:401
778.408ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberWed Oct 16 1996 11:025
778.409better living through chemicals?WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goWed Oct 16 1996 11:132
778.410ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyWed Oct 16 1996 12:042
778.411Well...GOJIRA::JESSOPWed Oct 16 1996 13:071
778.412ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberWed Oct 16 1996 13:142
778.413if shula stays healthy, that is...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Oct 16 1996 13:215
778.414Hmmm...GOJIRA::JESSOPWed Oct 16 1996 13:224
778.415ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberThu Oct 17 1996 16:463
778.416GOJIRA::JESSOPThu Oct 17 1996 16:492
778.417GB/SF StatYIELD::BARBIERISun Oct 20 1996 13:578
778.418ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 09:354
778.419Pats coast...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 21 1996 09:427
778.420SMARTT::JENNISONIt&#039;s all about soulMon Oct 21 1996 09:446
778.421BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 21 1996 09:482
778.422ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 10:4260
778.423same thing with Redskins except the held onNCMAIL::JAMESSMon Oct 21 1996 10:476
778.424ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 10:567
778.425ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 11:062
778.426SALEM::DODAFrustrated IncorporatedMon Oct 21 1996 11:204
778.427ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 11:312
778.428GENRAL::RALSTONAtheism, Religion of the GodsMon Oct 21 1996 11:334
778.429SALEM::DODAFrustrated IncorporatedMon Oct 21 1996 11:333
778.430ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 12:032
778.431BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 21 1996 12:084
778.432ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 12:4823
778.433ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 13:092
778.434BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 21 1996 14:041
778.435ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 14:363
778.436ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 14:394
778.437At least they'll get a good draft pick.ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 15:052
778.438SALEM::DODAFrustrated IncorporatedMon Oct 21 1996 15:224
778.439ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 16:234
778.440CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Oct 21 1996 16:323
778.441ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 16:344
778.442ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 17:044
778.443ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 17:092
778.444ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 17:193
778.445ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 21 1996 17:223
778.446ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 21 1996 17:551
778.447POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideMon Oct 21 1996 22:264
778.448CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Oct 21 1996 23:394
778.449WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goTue Oct 22 1996 08:054
778.450POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideTue Oct 22 1996 09:266
778.451ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberTue Oct 22 1996 09:313
778.452WAHOO::LEVESQUEguess I&#039;ll set a course and goTue Oct 22 1996 09:493
778.453Now 5-3, tied for AFC East leadGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Oct 28 1996 10:046
778.4548^)ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 28 1996 10:1112
778.455ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 28 1996 12:224
778.456BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 28 1996 13:179
778.457ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Oct 28 1996 13:311
778.458ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 28 1996 13:354
778.459ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberMon Oct 28 1996 13:353
778.460BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 28 1996 16:309
778.461MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Mon Oct 28 1996 18:033
778.462BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Oct 28 1996 18:294
778.463WAHOO::LEVESQUEIt&#039;s just a kiss awayTue Oct 29 1996 07:311
778.464ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Oct 29 1996 09:012
778.465BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Oct 29 1996 09:065
778.466ACISS1::BATTISmz_debra fan club memberTue Oct 29 1996 09:093
778.467Packer BluesYIELD::BARBIERITue Oct 29 1996 16:1913
778.468Packers have esay one nextOHFSS1::POMEROYWed Oct 30 1996 01:544
778.469ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsWed Oct 30 1996 11:584
778.470ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 04 1996 09:063
778.471or is this a misprint ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Nov 04 1996 09:082
778.472ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Nov 04 1996 09:2014
778.473ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 04 1996 09:442
778.474ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Nov 04 1996 10:022
778.475ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 04 1996 10:373
778.476ACISS1::SCHELTERMon Nov 04 1996 14:184
778.477ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 04 1996 15:033
778.478ACISS1::SCHELTERMon Nov 04 1996 15:064
778.479CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Nov 04 1996 19:356
778.480ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Nov 05 1996 08:343
778.481seen this beforeGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Nov 05 1996 09:424
778.482GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Nov 05 1996 10:004
778.483BUSY::SLABSubtract A, substitute O, invert STue Nov 05 1996 10:183
778.484POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorTue Nov 05 1996 10:201
778.485WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjTue Nov 05 1996 10:281
778.487CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue Nov 05 1996 16:421
778.488OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Nov 06 1996 01:214
778.489BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Wed Nov 06 1996 10:219
778.490premonitions of....GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Nov 06 1996 10:235
778.491because you are an experienced Pats fanWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjWed Nov 06 1996 10:337
778.492BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Wed Nov 06 1996 10:393
778.493OHFSS1::POMEROYThu Nov 07 1996 01:316
778.494re -.1NCMAIL::JAMESSThu Nov 07 1996 08:395
778.495ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsThu Nov 07 1996 09:132
778.496GEOFFK::KELLERHarry &amp; Jo, the way to go in &#039;96Thu Nov 07 1996 09:156
778.497ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyThu Nov 07 1996 09:1910
778.498Next : Welcome to F'boro, Mr Elway...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Nov 11 1996 09:5711
778.499ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 11 1996 10:534
778.500WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjMon Nov 11 1996 10:5911
778.501ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Nov 11 1996 12:5811
778.502GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Nov 11 1996 13:131
778.503GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Nov 11 1996 13:212
778.504:/GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Nov 11 1996 13:221
778.505LANDO::OLIVER_BMon Nov 11 1996 13:232
778.506ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 11 1996 13:417
778.507They're what... 2 & 8 now? 8^) ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Nov 11 1996 14:561
778.508BummerYIELD::BARBIERIMon Nov 11 1996 15:188
778.509ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsMon Nov 11 1996 15:284
778.510I Will HopeYIELD::BARBIERIMon Nov 11 1996 16:415
778.511Go Pack!!OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Nov 12 1996 01:493
778.512ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Nov 12 1996 08:083
778.513What If???YIELD::BARBIERITue Nov 12 1996 08:264
778.514ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsTue Nov 12 1996 08:593
778.515BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Nov 12 1996 09:126
778.516ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsTue Nov 12 1996 09:252
778.517BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Nov 12 1996 11:524
778.518Yes...ToastYIELD::BARBIERITue Nov 12 1996 16:261
778.519BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Tue Nov 12 1996 16:385
778.520OHFSS1::POMEROYWed Nov 13 1996 00:564
778.521ACISS1::BATTISVending machines=food of the godsWed Nov 13 1996 09:063
778.522BUSY::SLABStop the boat!Wed Nov 13 1996 10:437
778.523BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Wed Nov 13 1996 11:015
778.524OHFSS1::POMEROYThu Nov 14 1996 01:245
778.525BUSY::SLABThailboat!!Thu Nov 14 1996 10:395
778.526no wayGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Nov 15 1996 17:317
778.527GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Fri Nov 15 1996 18:532
778.528losing uglyWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjMon Nov 18 1996 07:363
778.529BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Nov 18 1996 07:396
778.530WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjMon Nov 18 1996 07:591
778.531ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoMon Nov 18 1996 08:279
778.532Elway on a roll...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Nov 18 1996 09:1211
778.533CBROWN::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Nov 18 1996 09:138
778.534ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoMon Nov 18 1996 09:193
778.535GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Nov 18 1996 12:203
778.536Hoping Bigtime for the CheeseheadsYIELD::BARBIERIMon Nov 18 1996 15:3712
778.537ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoMon Nov 18 1996 15:575
778.538Yeah!YIELD::BARBIERIMon Nov 18 1996 16:0010
778.539WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjTue Nov 19 1996 07:143
778.540ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoTue Nov 19 1996 08:033
778.541ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Nov 19 1996 15:274
778.542WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott itjTue Nov 19 1996 15:335
778.543WMOIS::CONNELLStory does that to us.Tue Nov 19 1996 15:3611
778.544Posted This In American_Football...YIELD::BARBIERITue Nov 19 1996 15:3638
778.545ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoWed Nov 20 1996 08:464
778.546ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoWed Nov 20 1996 09:093
778.547no prediction hereGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Nov 20 1996 09:114
778.548ACISS1::BATTISClueless in ChicagoWed Nov 20 1996 09:234
778.549FABSIX::P_OHALLORANgo mbeanfaigh dia sibhWed Nov 20 1996 21:1110
778.550OHFSS1::POMEROYThu Nov 21 1996 01:095
778.551ACISS1::BATTISThu Nov 21 1996 08:485
778.552ACISS1::BATTISFri Nov 22 1996 08:383
778.553Chi 31 Det 14OHFSS1::POMEROYMon Nov 25 1996 04:134
778.554ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Nov 25 1996 08:415
778.555SALEM::DODAVisibly shaken, not stirredMon Nov 25 1996 08:527
778.556ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Nov 25 1996 09:004
778.557SALEM::DODAVisibly shaken, not stirredMon Nov 25 1996 09:0411
778.558Pats dominate ColtsGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Nov 25 1996 09:0911
778.559ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Nov 25 1996 09:369
778.560BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Nov 25 1996 09:3619
778.561ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Nov 25 1996 09:423
778.562WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Nov 25 1996 10:257
778.563ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Nov 25 1996 10:325
778.564WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Nov 25 1996 10:594
778.565ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Nov 25 1996 11:423
778.566WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Nov 25 1996 13:242
778.567blame SwitzerNCMAIL::JAMESSMon Nov 25 1996 15:135
778.568ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Nov 26 1996 08:382
778.569WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Nov 26 1996 08:511
778.570next up, sd sun. niteGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Nov 26 1996 08:596
778.571ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Nov 26 1996 09:133
778.572GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Nov 26 1996 10:174
778.573ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Nov 26 1996 10:242
778.574GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Nov 26 1996 10:281
778.575ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyThu Nov 28 1996 22:456
778.576BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Nov 29 1996 00:0913
778.577ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Dec 02 1996 08:5513
778.578CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Dec 02 1996 09:025
778.579BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Dec 02 1996 09:459
778.580SHRCTR::PJOHNSONaut disce, aut discedeMon Dec 02 1996 10:094
778.581WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 10:114
778.582pats benefited from friendly refsGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Dec 02 1996 10:3116
778.583WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 11:044
778.584Sad to see the consequences of not throwing the flag earlier....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftMon Dec 02 1996 11:096
778.585SALEM::DODARetired Gnip Gnop ChampionMon Dec 02 1996 11:196
778.586BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Dec 02 1996 11:285
778.587GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Mon Dec 02 1996 11:366
778.588Concussion, last I heard....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftMon Dec 02 1996 11:387
778.589ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 02 1996 12:313
778.590NPSS::MCSKEANEDavie Dodds IS E.T.Mon Dec 02 1996 12:345
778.591BUSY::SLABch-ch-ch-ch-ha-ha-ha-haMon Dec 02 1996 12:516
778.592SALEM::DODARetired Gnip Gnop ChampionMon Dec 02 1996 12:537
778.593WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 12:586
778.594BUSY::SLABch-ch-ch-ch-ha-ha-ha-haMon Dec 02 1996 13:006
778.595HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman noter, on borrowed time.Mon Dec 02 1996 13:039
778.596BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Dec 02 1996 13:0810
778.597BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Dec 02 1996 13:2472
778.598Reality check....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftMon Dec 02 1996 13:3627
778.599WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 14:0018
778.600SALEM::DODARetired Gnip Gnop ChampionMon Dec 02 1996 14:016
778.601BUSY::SLABA cross upon her bedroom wall ...Mon Dec 02 1996 14:038
778.602WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 14:1214
778.603What makes it the right call is it was the right call....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftMon Dec 02 1996 14:1922
778.604WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 14:285
778.605BUSY::SLABA Momentary Lapse of ReasonMon Dec 02 1996 14:353
778.606WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 02 1996 14:3810
778.607Your perception is yours alone....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftMon Dec 02 1996 14:4022
778.608ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 02 1996 15:084
778.609GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Mon Dec 02 1996 15:418
778.610ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 02 1996 15:563
778.611BUSY::SLABA Parting Shot in the DarkMon Dec 02 1996 16:083
778.612BUSY::SLABA Parting Shot in the DarkMon Dec 02 1996 16:085
778.613ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 02 1996 16:153
778.614SHRCTR::PJOHNSONaut disce, aut discedeMon Dec 02 1996 16:157
778.615BUSY::SLABA Parting Shot in the DarkMon Dec 02 1996 16:205
778.616BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.yvv.com/decplus/Mon Dec 02 1996 17:126
778.617BUSY::SLABA swift kick in the butt - $1Mon Dec 02 1996 17:294
778.618WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 03 1996 07:1737
778.619split into two linesWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 03 1996 07:264
778.620WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 03 1996 08:1298
778.621Humphries released, status for Sunday unknown....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it&#039;s comin&#039; from the leftTue Dec 03 1996 09:2133
778.622WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 03 1996 09:244
778.623Bring on the Jets...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Dec 03 1996 09:265
778.624WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 03 1996 09:315
778.625OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Dec 03 1996 10:365
778.626Maybe, maybe not!GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Dec 03 1996 11:0683
778.627ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Dec 03 1996 13:212
778.628ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Dec 05 1996 09:292
778.629(leaning on that 'home-game' theory...)GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeThu Dec 05 1996 09:314
778.630ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Dec 06 1996 08:294
778.631GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeFri Dec 06 1996 08:406
778.632thought this was coolSCASS1::BARBER_Abang bang you&#039;re deadFri Dec 06 1996 13:5176
778.633I'll look for them...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Dec 06 1996 14:0712
778.634ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Dec 06 1996 15:292
778.635POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslieMon Dec 09 1996 03:221
778.636ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Dec 09 1996 08:132
778.637ads were ok, imhoGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Dec 09 1996 08:3710
778.638CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Dec 09 1996 09:275
778.639OHFSS1::POMEROYMon Dec 09 1996 09:448
778.640Ol' BC quarterback lookinGOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 09 1996 15:012
778.641Goes round come round exceptOHFSS1::POMEROYMon Dec 09 1996 15:221
778.642BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 09 1996 15:286
778.643Eh... maybeGOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 09 1996 15:511
778.644ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Dec 10 1996 08:474
778.645GENRAL::RALSTONK=tc^2Tue Dec 10 1996 10:571
778.646POWDML::HANGGELIsweet &amp; juicy on the insideTue Dec 10 1996 11:013
778.647NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Dec 10 1996 11:061
778.648CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Dec 10 1996 11:155
778.649lackluster chiefs last eveGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Dec 10 1996 11:237
778.650BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Dec 10 1996 11:284
778.651ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Dec 10 1996 12:063
778.652GOJIRA::JESSOPTue Dec 10 1996 12:543
778.653ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Dec 10 1996 13:2817
778.654WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 10 1996 13:3411
778.655BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Dec 10 1996 13:489
778.656WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 10 1996 14:097
778.657ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Dec 10 1996 15:174
778.658OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Dec 10 1996 15:394
778.659BUSY::SLABBlack No. 1Tue Dec 10 1996 15:393
778.660GOJIRA::JESSOPTue Dec 10 1996 15:401
778.661ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 16 1996 08:445
778.662GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeMon Dec 16 1996 10:367
778.663BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 16 1996 10:4810
778.664WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 16 1996 11:3614
778.665BUSY::SLABConsume feces and expireMon Dec 16 1996 12:309
778.666MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Mon Dec 16 1996 13:083
778.667WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 16 1996 13:091
778.668BUSY::SLABCrackerMon Dec 16 1996 13:117
778.669HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman noter, on borrowed time.Mon Dec 16 1996 13:1515
778.670MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Mon Dec 16 1996 13:1815
778.671BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 16 1996 13:2726
778.672ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 16 1996 13:355
778.673SMARTT::JENNISONWelcome to Patriot NationMon Dec 16 1996 14:088
778.674GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeMon Dec 16 1996 14:3114
778.675BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 16 1996 14:358
778.676GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeMon Dec 16 1996 14:376
778.677BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 16 1996 14:445
778.678not quite thereGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Dec 16 1996 14:489
778.679Not DetroitOHFSS1::POMEROYMon Dec 16 1996 14:504
778.680BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Dec 16 1996 15:036
778.681ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 16 1996 15:132
778.682CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Dec 16 1996 16:049
778.683WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 17 1996 08:2321
778.684not quiteGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Dec 17 1996 09:495
778.685ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyTue Dec 17 1996 10:082
778.686thank you, Jimmy...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Dec 17 1996 10:104
778.687SMARTT::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledTue Dec 17 1996 10:104
778.688WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Dec 17 1996 10:206
778.689POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorTue Dec 17 1996 10:232
778.690POWDML::HANGGELIsitzprobeTue Dec 17 1996 10:264
778.691NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Dec 17 1996 10:311
778.692OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Dec 17 1996 11:174
778.693MKOTS3::JMARTINBe A Victor..Not a Victim!Tue Dec 17 1996 11:191
778.694save us from another Jim Kelly SuperBowl appearanceTROOA::BUTKOVICHeschew obfuscationTue Dec 17 1996 11:222
778.695OHFSS1::POMEROYTue Dec 17 1996 11:331
778.696GAVEL::JANDROWPartly to Mostly BlondeTue Dec 17 1996 12:167
778.697Go Pack!YIELD::BARBIERIMon Dec 23 1996 15:121
778.698LANDO::OLIVER_Burban camperMon Dec 23 1996 15:151
778.699ACISS1::SCHELTERMon Dec 23 1996 16:025
778.700ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Dec 26 1996 10:584
778.701TROOA::BUTKOVICHon a one way trip to TimbuktuSun Dec 29 1996 17:023
778.702BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Sun Dec 29 1996 20:589
778.703ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 08:163
778.704BUSY::SLABDogbert&#039;s New Ruling Class: 150KMon Dec 30 1996 10:204
778.705WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 30 1996 10:231
778.706BUSY::SLABDogbert&#039;s New Ruling Class: 150KMon Dec 30 1996 10:256
778.707GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 30 1996 10:324
778.708ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 10:412
778.709GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 30 1996 10:431
778.710TROOA::BUTKOVICHI&#039;ll be there in a jiffy!Mon Dec 30 1996 12:522
778.711GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Dec 30 1996 13:032
778.712ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Dec 30 1996 13:153
778.713WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Dec 30 1996 13:163
778.714TROOA::BUTKOVICHoski wee wee, oski wah wahSun Jan 05 1997 17:438
778.715SHRCTR::PJOHNSONVaya con huevos.Sun Jan 05 1997 19:093
778.716Its Possible!!!YIELD::BARBIERISun Jan 05 1997 19:245
778.717POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorSun Jan 05 1997 20:341
778.718POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 06 1997 05:411
778.719BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 06:461
778.720can you say...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 06 1997 09:404
778.721Also PossibleBIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROMon Jan 06 1997 09:449
778.722ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Jan 06 1997 09:5017
778.723POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 06 1997 09:511
778.724Go Pats!LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 06 1997 09:581
778.725POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 06 1997 10:051
778.726LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 06 1997 10:072
778.727CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 10:113
778.728POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 06 1997 10:161
778.729CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 10:1710
778.730accolades in NEGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 06 1997 10:273
778.731BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 11:095
778.732MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 06 1997 13:253
778.733SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Mon Jan 06 1997 13:304
778.734SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 06 1997 13:454
778.735BUSY::SLABFUBARMon Jan 06 1997 13:535
778.736WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 06 1997 14:001
778.737BUSY::SLABFUBARMon Jan 06 1997 14:037
778.738CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 14:135
778.739SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Jan 06 1997 14:215
778.740Amerca's team, ha !GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 06 1997 14:3111
778.741CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 14:343
778.742LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 06 1997 15:062
778.743HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman noter, on borrowed time.Mon Jan 06 1997 15:087
778.744BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 15:167
778.745BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 15:209
778.746WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 06 1997 15:221
778.747HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman noter, on borrowed time.Mon Jan 06 1997 15:2910
778.748POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityMon Jan 06 1997 16:2821
778.749CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 06 1997 16:304
778.750LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 06 1997 16:301
778.751NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Jan 06 1997 16:342
778.752MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 06 1997 16:362
778.753SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 06 1997 16:371
778.754SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Mon Jan 06 1997 16:474
778.755BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 06 1997 17:011
778.756WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Jan 07 1997 06:261
778.757SALEM::DODAHow could we know that promises end?Tue Jan 07 1997 08:45106
778.758SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledTue Jan 07 1997 09:266
778.759DECWIN::JUDYThat&#039;s *Ms. Bitch* to you!!Tue Jan 07 1997 09:354
778.760SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledTue Jan 07 1997 09:3710
778.761GOJIRA::JESSOPTue Jan 07 1997 10:052
778.762BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 07 1997 10:501
778.763LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 07 1997 10:511
778.764BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 07 1997 10:531
778.765LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 07 1997 10:571
778.766MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyTue Jan 07 1997 12:186
778.767LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 07 1997 12:472
778.768GOJIRA::JESSOPTue Jan 07 1997 12:502
778.769BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 07 1997 14:246
778.770BUSY::SLABA Parting Shot in the DarkTue Jan 07 1997 16:088
778.771WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 08 1997 08:1715
778.772ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 08 1997 08:527
778.773BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 08 1997 08:559
778.774SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledWed Jan 08 1997 09:148
778.775BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 08 1997 09:188
778.776absurd, but typical hereGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Jan 08 1997 09:228
778.777NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 08 1997 09:234
778.778BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 08 1997 09:495
778.779NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 08 1997 10:124
778.780BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 08 1997 10:144
778.781NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 08 1997 10:161
778.782GOJIRA::JESSOPWed Jan 08 1997 10:536
778.783BUSY::SLABAn imagine burning in her mind ...Wed Jan 08 1997 11:033
778.784MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyWed Jan 08 1997 11:2510
778.785ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQWed Jan 08 1997 12:062
778.786BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 08 1997 12:4810
778.787succombing to modern depravity...Fenway will be bulldozed next...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Jan 08 1997 13:0318
778.788WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 08 1997 13:1516
778.789Didn't look that old when I was there for soccerTLE::RALTOLeggo My LegoWed Jan 08 1997 13:1525
778.790been there twice, can't say I had a bad timeASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQWed Jan 08 1997 13:164
778.791SUBSYS::NEUMYERBorn to boogieWed Jan 08 1997 13:237
778.792TROOA::BUTKOVICHoski wee wee, oski wah wahWed Jan 08 1997 13:244
778.793Oh yeah, *that* 495... :-)TLE::RALTOLeggo My LegoWed Jan 08 1997 13:3910
778.794BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 08 1997 13:5712
778.795BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 08 1997 14:0112
778.796CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageWed Jan 08 1997 14:147
778.797SMURF::MSCANLONa ferret on the barco-loungerWed Jan 08 1997 14:243
778.798ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 08 1997 14:263
778.799BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 08 1997 14:566
778.800SALEM::DODAChairman of the BoredWed Jan 08 1997 14:583
778.801CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayWed Jan 08 1997 15:293
778.802MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyWed Jan 08 1997 15:4711
778.803GOJIRA::JESSOPWed Jan 08 1997 15:511
778.804POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityWed Jan 08 1997 15:515
778.805MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyWed Jan 08 1997 18:051
778.806WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 09 1997 07:521
778.807POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Thu Jan 09 1997 07:551
778.808NFC and AFC championship gamesWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 09 1997 08:062
778.809WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 09 1997 08:082
778.810POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Thu Jan 09 1997 08:088
778.811WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 09 1997 08:251
778.812GOJIRA::JESSOPThu Jan 09 1997 09:385
778.813BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROThu Jan 09 1997 09:4215
778.814WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 09 1997 10:5529
778.815BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROThu Jan 09 1997 10:588
778.816HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Thu Jan 09 1997 11:007
778.817MROA::YANNEKISThu Jan 09 1997 11:5211
778.818afc hasn't won in a while...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaThu Jan 09 1997 12:084
778.819ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Jan 09 1997 12:103
778.820NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 09 1997 12:223
778.821BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Jan 09 1997 12:361
778.822GOJIRA::JESSOPThu Jan 09 1997 12:372
778.823BUSY::SLABCatch you later!!Thu Jan 09 1997 14:029
778.824BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Jan 09 1997 14:333
778.825SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Fri Jan 10 1997 09:5613
778.826predicting conference champioships...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 10 1997 12:1813
778.827BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 10 1997 12:303
778.828CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each daySat Jan 11 1997 16:4412
778.829CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each daySun Jan 12 1997 22:3411
778.830WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Jan 13 1997 07:423
778.831another NFC crownNCMAIL::JAMESSMon Jan 13 1997 08:447
778.832ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Jan 13 1997 09:1110
778.833WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 13 1997 09:1311
778.834woeful offense, but...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 13 1997 09:208
778.835STAR::MWOLINSKIuCoder sans FrontieresMon Jan 13 1997 10:015
778.836ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 10:103
778.837PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 13 1997 10:1110
778.838STAR::MWOLINSKIuCoder sans FrontieresMon Jan 13 1997 10:157
778.839MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 10:172
778.840PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 13 1997 10:2311
778.841ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Jan 13 1997 10:368
778.842POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 10:392
778.843SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 10:434
778.844CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 10:458
778.845STAR::EVANSMon Jan 13 1997 10:467
778.846POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 13 1997 10:483
778.847CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 10:5011
778.848GO PATS!!LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 13 1997 10:502
778.849the Wisconsin Who ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 13 1997 10:534
778.850POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 10:563
778.851CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 10:583
778.852POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 13 1997 11:001
778.853POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 11:037
778.854SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 13 1997 11:051
778.855CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 11:0811
778.856SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 11:1415
778.857POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 13 1997 11:197
778.858CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 11:258
778.859Go ahead, make my dayPOMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 13 1997 11:262
778.860SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 13 1997 11:271
778.861POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Mon Jan 13 1997 11:292
778.862PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 13 1997 11:295
778.863POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 11:3114
778.864CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 11:3211
778.865CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 11:3514
778.866POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 11:408
778.867ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 11:406
778.868SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 13 1997 11:441
778.869PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 13 1997 11:453
778.870SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Mon Jan 13 1997 11:492
778.871MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 11:502
778.872POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 11:501
778.873SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 13 1997 11:551
778.874WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Jan 13 1997 12:181
778.875ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 12:232
778.876WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 13 1997 12:284
778.877WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 13 1997 12:304
778.878POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 12:3711
778.879ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 12:432
778.880BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 13 1997 13:101
778.881POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 13:121
778.882SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 14:139
778.883POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 14:184
778.884SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 14:234
778.885POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 14:271
778.886SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 14:305
778.887POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 14:365
778.888MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 14:371
778.889GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 13 1997 14:391
778.890GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 13 1997 14:393
778.891POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 14:401
778.892SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledMon Jan 13 1997 14:429
778.893POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 14:454
778.894HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Mon Jan 13 1997 14:4613
778.895Drew can go deeeeeepSHRCTR::YOUNGMon Jan 13 1997 14:507
778.896BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 13 1997 15:095
778.897ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 15:172
778.898being unfairly picked on again, of courseWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 13 1997 15:303
778.899BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 13 1997 15:336
778.900MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 15:371
778.901BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 13 1997 15:381
778.902POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 15:412
778.903COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Jan 13 1997 15:4925
778.904ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 15:534
778.905POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 15:541
778.906MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 15:591
778.907God and Sports (imo)YIELD::BARBIERIMon Jan 13 1997 16:0123
778.908CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Jan 13 1997 16:049
778.909SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Mon Jan 13 1997 16:061
778.910GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 13 1997 16:062
778.911MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 13 1997 16:207
778.912POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 16:251
778.913CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 13 1997 16:263
778.914SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 13 1997 16:271
778.915ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 13 1997 16:332
778.916POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 16:473
778.917CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsMon Jan 13 1997 17:242
778.918BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 13 1997 17:329
778.919POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorMon Jan 13 1997 17:333
778.920Some DetailYIELD::BARBIERIMon Jan 13 1997 19:0630
778.921POMPY::LESLIEandy ��� leslie, DTN 847 6586Tue Jan 14 1997 04:037
778.922BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 14 1997 04:071
778.923WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Jan 14 1997 06:477
778.924WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 14 1997 08:004
778.925Not In My CaseYIELD::BARBIERITue Jan 14 1997 08:0718
778.926BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 14 1997 08:1912
778.927HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Tue Jan 14 1997 08:244
778.928BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 14 1997 08:278
778.929SMURF::WALTERSTue Jan 14 1997 08:422
778.930WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 14 1997 08:439
778.931BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 14 1997 08:5514
778.932PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Jan 14 1997 09:033
778.933ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 14 1997 09:082
778.934CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayTue Jan 14 1997 09:104
778.935ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 14 1997 09:122
778.936MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyTue Jan 14 1997 11:061
778.937SMURF::WALTERSTue Jan 14 1997 11:161
778.938POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorTue Jan 14 1997 11:181
778.939ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 14 1997 12:133
778.940CADSYS::FENNELLNothing is planned by the sea and the sandTue Jan 14 1997 15:431
778.941ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 17 1997 10:004
778.942BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 11:302
778.943ACISS1::SCHELTERFri Jan 17 1997 11:368
778.944BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 11:371
778.945B^)ACISS1::SCHELTERFri Jan 17 1997 12:485
778.946BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 12:501
778.947ACISS1::SCHELTERFri Jan 17 1997 12:555
778.948DECWIN::JUDYThat&#039;s *Ms. Bitch* to you!!Fri Jan 17 1997 13:464
778.949ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 17 1997 14:013
778.950BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 14:031
778.951BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Fri Jan 17 1997 14:114
778.952STAR::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersFri Jan 17 1997 14:214
778.953LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againFri Jan 17 1997 14:231
778.954ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 17 1997 14:302
778.955BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 14:325
778.956STAR::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersFri Jan 17 1997 14:331
778.957BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 17 1997 14:341
778.958MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyFri Jan 17 1997 17:229
778.959SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Fri Jan 17 1997 17:4612
778.960POMPY::LESLIE[email protected]Mon Jan 20 1997 02:507
778.961BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 20 1997 07:504
778.962WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 20 1997 08:313
778.963GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 20 1997 08:551
778.964WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 20 1997 08:59137
778.965GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 20 1997 09:071
778.966WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 20 1997 09:322
778.967MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 20 1997 09:463
778.968ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 20 1997 09:513
778.969How did the AFC do against the NFC this season ??SHRCTR::YOUNGMon Jan 20 1997 10:161
778.970CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsMon Jan 20 1997 10:341
778.971DEVMKO::SHERKI belong! I got circles overme i&#039;sMon Jan 20 1997 10:3711
778.972BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 20 1997 10:485
778.973GOJIRA::JESSOPMon Jan 20 1997 12:082
778.974SHRCTR::PJOHNSONVaya con huevos.Mon Jan 20 1997 12:244
778.975CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 20 1997 12:253
778.976BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Jan 20 1997 13:021
778.977CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 20 1997 13:043
778.978Possible Weird ParallelYIELD::BARBIERIMon Jan 20 1997 13:0810
778.979ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 20 1997 13:373
778.980boot to the backsideWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 20 1997 13:411
778.981POWDML::HANGGELImouth responsibilityMon Jan 20 1997 13:443
778.982MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Jan 20 1997 14:041
778.983He must be one of the winningest coaches in the NFLCADSYS::FENNELLNothing is planned by the sea and the sandMon Jan 20 1997 14:107
778.984WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 20 1997 14:243
778.985TROOA::BUTKOVICHoski wee wee, oski wah wahMon Jan 20 1997 16:252
778.986ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Jan 20 1997 16:333
778.987WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 07:281
778.988HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Tue Jan 21 1997 09:0211
778.989BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 09:116
778.990ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 21 1997 11:483
778.991BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 12:3013
778.992ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 21 1997 12:462
778.993TROOA::BUTKOVICHoski wee wee, oski wah wahTue Jan 21 1997 13:126
778.994BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 13:141
778.995ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 21 1997 13:164
778.996MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyTue Jan 21 1997 13:281
778.997LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 13:541
778.998WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 14:011
778.999LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 14:253
778.1000ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 21 1997 14:374
778.1001WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 14:5319
778.1002BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 14:553
778.1003WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 15:14103
778.1004LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 15:204
778.1005above all else, to thine own preconceptions be trueWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 15:262
778.1006LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 15:291
778.1007BUSY::SLABAnd one of us is left to carry on.Tue Jan 21 1997 15:305
778.1008LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 15:414
778.1009WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 15:5845
778.1010WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 21 1997 16:035
778.1011ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 21 1997 16:113
778.1012LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againTue Jan 21 1997 16:2312
778.1013BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Jan 21 1997 17:1115
778.1014ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 22 1997 08:332
778.1015BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 22 1997 09:302
778.1016like a bad movie...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Jan 22 1997 10:126
778.1017POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorWed Jan 22 1997 10:363
778.1018jokeGOJIRA::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersThu Jan 23 1997 09:5221
778.1019NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 23 1997 10:021
778.1020SMURF::WALTERSThu Jan 23 1997 10:031
778.1021BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Jan 23 1997 10:131
778.1022NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jan 23 1997 10:151
778.1023BUSY::SLABAs you wishThu Jan 23 1997 14:056
778.1024SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Thu Jan 23 1997 14:2112
778.1025BUSY::SLABAs you wishThu Jan 23 1997 14:317
778.1026LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againThu Jan 23 1997 14:364
778.1027BUSY::SLABAs you wishThu Jan 23 1997 14:563
778.1028GRANPA::TDAVISThu Jan 23 1997 15:394
778.1029CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 23 1997 16:0713
778.1030BUSY::SLABAs you wishThu Jan 23 1997 16:143
778.1031DECWIN::JUDYThat&#039;s *Ms. Bitch* to you!!Thu Jan 23 1997 16:186
778.1032POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorFri Jan 24 1997 04:437
	Well, here's hoping the Christian team wins, eh?

	Go, er, um.... 

	{flips coin}

	Queen Elizabeth!
778.1033ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 08:313
    
    well, I wish you Patriot fans good luck on Sunday, for you will need
    it. I'm afraid that Green Bay is going to keep the NFC's streak alive.
778.1034HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Fri Jan 24 1997 09:008
    
    Thanks Mark. I fear you're right but stranger things have happened.
    One sportswriter predicts all of NE being rendered unconscious
    if the Pats win as we are ill-equiped to handle a championship.
    
    On a side note....the media is ridiculous here in NE.
    
    							Hank
778.1035ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 09:252
    
    Parcells and NE are getting a lot of coverage in Chicago. 
778.1036CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri Jan 24 1997 09:351
    So, who won?
778.1037CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 24 1997 09:3724
    
>    Thanks Mark. I fear you're right but stranger things have happened.
>    One sportswriter predicts all of NE being rendered unconscious
>    if the Pats win as we are ill-equiped to handle a championship.
 

     If they do win, will the thousands of happy fans destroy Providence,
     Boston or Foxborough? 


   
>    On a side note....the media is ridiculous here in NE.
    
 
     from what little I've seen on the tube, the coverage is indeed ridiculous.
     I've managed to avoid most of the "special" sections in the newspapers.
     It seems as if every retail outlet in the area is selling some Patriots
     related articles.  I can't wait til it's over..however, if they do win
     we'll never hear the end of it.



 Jim
778.1038WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 24 1997 09:384
    >I can't wait til it's over..however, if they do win we'll never hear
    >the end of it.
    
     You mean sports fans will be like <some> Christians?
778.1039ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 09:412
    
    yeah, they'll feed them to the lions.
778.1040CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 24 1997 09:538
>    >I can't wait til it's over..however, if they do win we'll never hear
>    >the end of it.
    
 >    You mean sports fans will be like <some> Christians?


  Right.  
778.1041ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 10:073
    
    yes, all of us sports fans are no good beer drinking, belching, 
    obnoxious, god-hating animals. we have no social skills or tact.
778.1042SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Fri Jan 24 1997 10:091
wait, i have tact....
778.1043SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 24 1997 10:225
    .1033
    
    NFC is better?  Well, Blazerboy, *everyone* knew that the NFL was
    better back when the upstart AFL's New York Jets wallopped the NFL's
    Baltimore Colts...
778.1044ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 10:253
    
    Dick, who has won more Super Bowls, NFC or AFC? I rest my case.
    Green Bay will make it 13 straight.
778.1045the oracle says...WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 24 1997 10:345
    Ok- let's open the Superbowl Predictions:
    
    Winner:
    
    Final Score:
778.1046SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 24 1997 10:363
    Winner:  the team that scores the most points
    
    Final score: points_scored_by_winners to points_scored_by_losers
778.1047BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 24 1997 10:437
| <<< Note 778.1033 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago - My Kind of Town" >>>


| I'm afraid that Green Bay is going to keep the NFC's streak alive.

	Is this a halftime show or something? Cuz I ain't never seen a streaker
during the game!
778.1048BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Fri Jan 24 1997 10:452
I think the nude bungee jumping has been cancelled ...
778.1049BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 24 1997 10:4610

	Anyone hear all the rumors that Pete Carroll is going to replace
Parcells within 2 weeks after the superbowl? Why the hell do the media announce
this crap? Why is it they can focus on the game when they talk about Greenbay,
but focus on controversy when talking about the Pats? Didn't they concentrate
on an Irving Friar thing last time they went to the superbowl???


Glen
778.1050SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Fri Jan 24 1997 10:505
Irving was stabbed by his wife with a butcher knife a couple days 
before the game and he couldn't play. It was sort of hard to 
ignore.

daryll
778.1051CADSYS::FENNELLNothing is planned by the sea and the sandFri Jan 24 1997 11:2110
Plus the fact that a few failed drug tests right after the game.

From what I've heard the team has been aware that this was potentially Parcells
last year and have dealt with it.  Will McDonough, who broke the story Monday
pointed out last year he predicted this would be Parcell's last year.

Mark, I think a good bet would be that if the Pats win you'll forgo vendoburgers
- one day for each point of the winning margin.  You can't lose - right???

TIm
778.1052Packers humourTROOA::BUTKOVICHtry a little tendernessFri Jan 24 1997 12:2819
    There was a Packers fan with a really crappy seat at Lambeau.
    Looking with 
    > his binoculars, he spotted an empty seat on the 50-yard line.
    Thinking
    to 
    > himself "what a waste" he made his way down to the empty seat.
    > 
    > When he arrived at the seat, he asked the man sitting next to it, "Is
    this 
    > seat taken?"  The man replied, "This was my wife's seat.  She passed
    away. 
    >  She was a big Packers fan."  The other man replied,"I'm  so sorry to
    hear 
    > of your loss.  May I ask why you didn't give the ticket to a friend
    or  a 
    > relative?"
    > 
    > The man replied, "They're all at the funeral." 
    
778.1053WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 24 1997 12:523
    My prediction:
    
    Patriots 31-24
778.1054ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 24 1997 13:007
    
    .1051
    
    yeah, i could go for that.
    
    Packers 38
    Patriots: 13
778.1055ACISS1::SCHELTERFri Jan 24 1997 13:268
    Packers: 41
    Patriots: 13 maybe 10
    
    
    
    
    Mike
    
778.1056BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 24 1997 13:366
    
    	RE: .1053
    
    	I've got $5 on NE [no point spread, just win/loss] and my unof-
    	ficial prediction is NE 28-25.
    
778.1057ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyFri Jan 24 1997 13:481
    What is that old saying about a fool and his money?  8^)
778.1058SMURF::BINDERErrabit quicquid errare potest.Fri Jan 24 1997 13:508
    .1057
    
    One boob may die, but deathless is
    The royal race of hicks  
    When Ahab went to Ascalon
    They sold him gilded bricks.
    
    			- Don Marquis, "Boob Ballad"
778.1059BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 24 1997 13:526
    
    	RE: .1057
    
    	Well, my friend isn't hurting too badly for money, so I don't think
    	he'll miss it much.
    
778.1060BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 24 1997 14:081
dick.... when one boob dies, does it become a boob cake?
778.1061closeGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 24 1997 14:094
  well, you could hold a boob wake...

  bb
778.1062BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 24 1997 14:121
i don't hold boobs....
778.1063BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 24 1997 14:195
    
    	RE: .1060
    
    	What does that mean, exactly?
    
778.1064PCBUOA::KRATZFri Jan 24 1997 14:324
    My prediction:
    Brett Favre gets knocked out of the game on Grenn Bay's first play...
    Jim McMahon comes in and leads Green Bay to a 46-10 win.
    
778.1065SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledFri Jan 24 1997 14:385
    
    	Patriots: 24
    	Green Bay: 21
    
    
778.1066peering into my crystal....GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 24 1997 15:004
  Patriots 31, Green Bay 28.

  bb
778.1067CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 24 1997 15:049

 Pats 101
 Pack  98




 Oh..wait, this is football isn't it?
778.1068tough goaltending in this one...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 24 1997 15:096
  Don't laugh.  A local kids league game was reported as 35-0.

  It was....  ice hockey !!!

  bb
778.1069SSDEVO::RALSTONK=tc^2Fri Jan 24 1997 16:063
    Pack - 38
    
    Pats - 10
778.1070Watch out!FABSIX::M_CADIEUXKADOUFri Jan 24 1997 22:215
    
    Pack=34
    
    Pats=10/13
    
778.1071It will be a close game until the kickoffFABSIX::D_HORTERTFri Jan 24 1997 23:286
    GREEN BAY:  41
    
    NEW ENGLAND:  17
    
    
                                         
778.1072CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 24 1997 23:3110


 I think rather than watch the game, I'll spend the time surfing AOL, hoping
 that most of the hangers on will be watching the game, and blotto by the
 end of the first quarter.




778.1073BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Sat Jan 25 1997 07:485

	Jim, they will probably have some inter-active thing going on which
will have all the sports fans amazed, and the computer geeks in awe. Triple the
usage I say!
778.1074CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each daySun Jan 26 1997 22:319




 Maybe next year, eh?  


   
778.1075BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Sun Jan 26 1997 22:311
greenbay wins it all!!!!! bummer....
778.1076BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Sun Jan 26 1997 22:348
doc was the closest!


Jim.... for someone who was planning on not doing much with the game.... I'm
surprised you're the 1st one to log in!


Muy party is over... we have way too much food and beer!
778.1077WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Jan 27 1997 06:437
-1 hence the Muy? :-)

while Howard was voted MVP (and deservedly so) he certainly
should have gotten the MOJ Award (Most Obnoxious Jerk) for
his child-like displays and tauntings. 

no class whatsoever. 
778.1078WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 27 1997 07:1412
    At least they made a game of it. Howard's run back was a backbreaker.
    After that the offensive line fell apart. Reggie White USED Max Lane.
    And the Pats never mounted much of a pass rush. But they keys were
    letting the Green Bay receivers behind the defensive secondary and poor
    kick coverage. If not for those problems, there might have been a
    different outcome. The Pats offense played a better game this time.
    Terry Glenn's big catch in the first quarter was a gem. The Pats showed
    a lot of character and should hold their heads high.
    
    Add me to the list of people who can't stand the showboating on every
    decent play. As Tom Landry said (about getting into the end zone): "Act
    like you've been there before."
778.1079saving the bubbly...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Jan 27 1997 08:414
  The Patriots victory party is postponed.

  bb
778.1080PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 08:474
   well at least Battis was wrong.


778.1081CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsMon Jan 27 1997 09:131
    Is it over?  Who won?
778.1082PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 09:157
>    <<< Note 778.1081 by CONSLT::MCBRIDE "Idleness, the holiday of fools" >>>

>    Is it over?

	No, in fact now we have a whole new topic just to discuss
	the best Superbowl commercial.   

778.1083TackyTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxMon Jan 27 1997 09:2222
    Good Lord, I haven't seen so much strutting and prancing since
    I channel-surfed past a 1940s movie musical.  And aside from the
    classlessness of these maneuvers, on at least two occasions the
    Packer running towards the goal actually slowed down (and nearly
    stopped, in fact), so he could strut across the goal line.  Seems
    risky at best.
    
    I'm not a big football fan, but even I was a bit put off by the way
    the national media treated the Patriots during the week and especially
    pre-game, as if they were there as a formality because it says
    somewhere in the rules that an actual team has to be there for Green
    Bay to beat before being handed the trophy.
    
    What was that two-point conversion after the 99-yard kickoff return
    all about?  Was it intended to ensure that even if the Patriots did
    manage to score two more touchdowns and extra points, it would still
    be a tie?
    
    Now that this is over, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of
    Parcells, not to mention the stadium issue.
    
    Chris
778.1084PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 09:268
	I don't see what the big deal is about the touchdown dances.
	All of a sudden these guys, some of whom can barely form
	sentences, are supposed to be classiness-conscious?  
	I think it's kind of fun to watch, actually.



778.1085CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 09:288

  Parcels and his staff are likely gone..the bazillion lifelong Patriots
 fans will vaporize, support for a new stadium will vanish as the team reverts
 average status, and the Pats will be in Cleveland in 2 years.


 Jim
778.1086More random thoughtsTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxMon Jan 27 1997 09:2924
    Oh, and we were also confused by the opening player intros...
    it was apparent that not every player was introduced (including
    many if not most of the "big names").  How was it determined
    who'd get introduced?
    
    Did anyone else think that Parcells looked unhappy and/or
    preoccupied before the game started?
    
    Did anyone else get momentarily fooled by the "Special Report"
    from Fox News?  :-)
    
    Interesting half-time show... seemed like a "show for guys", at
    least that's what my wife thought ("Where are the half-dressed
    guys?").
    
    The locally-produced post-game show on Fox was pretty lame, IMHO.
    It seems like they'll let just about anyone get a job doing television
    these days, since there's so many channels and so much time to fill.
    Those two doing the remote from the field were amazing... one of them
    kept calling the players "man" (as in, "Wow, man..."), and the other
    seemed to be a graduate from the Ted Baxter's Famous Broadcasting
    School.
    
    Chris
778.1087ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Jan 27 1997 09:2913
    After watching GB receivers and would-be MVP showboat like clowns, I
    quickly gave my alleigence to the Pats.  Before then, I really didn't
    care who won, though I did think it would be nice for an AFC team to
    win it for a change.
    
    Why must professional adults act like spoiled children and
    taunt/showboat like idiots.  Good grief men, you are supposed to be
    professional athletes, not school-yard show-offs.  I thought that the 
    Patriots showed a bit of class in this area.  
    
    I thought the game was over in the first part of the first quarter, but
    the Pats came back to take the lead (temporarily), which showed good
    composure. 
778.1088CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 09:3229
    
>    Did anyone else get momentarily fooled by the "Special Report"
>    from Fox News?  :-)
    
 

     I did..and when I found out what it was about, I almost threw something
     at the TV.



       
>    The locally-produced post-game show on Fox was pretty lame, IMHO.
>    It seems like they'll let just about anyone get a job doing television
>    these days, since there's so many channels and so much time to fill.
>    Those two doing the remote from the field were amazing... one of them
>    kept calling the players "man" (as in, "Wow, man..."), and the other
>    seemed to be a graduate from the Ted Baxter's Famous Broadcasting
>    School.
    
 

  The whole TV thing all week was ridiculous, down to the 5 hour pre game
  stuff (of which I watched very little)..but it seems that every Tom, Dick
  and Harriet was down there from every station in New England looking for
  the big interview..heck, they were even trying to talk to the Police horses..
  

 Jim
778.1089CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Jan 27 1997 09:457
    Steve,
    
    what do you think football players get the big bucks for?  Seems to me
    it is entertainment, and why shouldn't they celebrate for their
    audience?  I see it as no more offensive than victory laps around a
    track, the blanket on a winning horse, and ply-by-play given by the
    winning jockey afterwards.  
778.1090SUBSYS::NEUMYERBorn to boogieMon Jan 27 1997 09:485
    
    	I normally don't mind the showboating for a real good play, but GB
    was doing it on every play. Gets a little old.
    
    ej
778.1091WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 27 1997 09:5513
    >what do you think football players get the big bucks for?  Seems to me
    >it is entertainment, and why shouldn't they celebrate for their
    >audience?  I see it as no more offensive than victory laps around a
    >track, the blanket on a winning horse, and ply-by-play given by the
    >winning jockey afterwards.  
    
     Seems to me the victory laps don't happen until after the race.
    
     If I'd been chasing one Rison or Howard and he stopped to prance his
    way into the end zone, I'd have nailed him. I'll take the 15 to put an
    end to the vapid showboating. (Note that I didn't like it when the
    cowboys did it either, in case you think I'm only annoyed because the
    perps were Packers.)
778.1092Like kids taunting each otherTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxMon Jan 27 1997 09:5818
    re: strutting & prancing
    
    Beyond a certain point it goes beyond celebrating into
    humiliating and taunting your opponent.  It's just not
    good sportsmanship, at least the kind of sportsmanship
    that I was taught as a youth.
    
    As for whether they can form complete sentences, I wouldn't know,
    but anyway I don't see the connection, because it's not a
    matter of intelligence, it's a matter of sportsmanship, and
    since these guys are paid megabucks to be professional "sportsmen",
    I expect some behavior along those lines.
    
    Anyway, anyone who can figure out and remember all those complicated
    play diagrams (which is beyond me, at least in the video game that
    I have) has to have something on the ball, so to speak.
    
    Chris
778.1093SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Mon Jan 27 1997 10:044
Howard should've been penalized for taunting on that first return 
when he went into the Patriots bench trash-talking.

daryll
778.1094CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 10:098
    
>    Anyway, anyone who can figure out and remember all those complicated
>    play diagrams (which is beyond me, at least in the video game that
>    I have) has to have something on the ball, so to speak.
    
 

   I've given up on football video/PC games for that very reason
778.1095GAVEL::JANDROWMrs. Stephen Howard-to-beMon Jan 27 1997 10:1012
    the only play i could see the prancing being "justified" was when
    howard did his 99-yard return.  i always like it when that happens
    (well, except maybe when it's the "other" team doing so), but it was a
    bit excessive yesterday.  and what's with the personal foul the pats
    got??  it's ok to taunt and tease your opponent like a spoiled brat,
    but when they react they get in trouble?  
    
    i am still not convinced that favre's touchdown was one.  not that it
    would have made much difference in the game (gb would have still been
    ahead) but no one in the room saw that ball inside the endzone.
    
    
778.1096POMPY::LESLIE[email protected]Mon Jan 27 1997 10:165
    <yawn>
    
    wassatt? it's over? good!
    
    <snore>
778.1097ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyMon Jan 27 1997 10:196
    .1089
    
    High-fives and spiking the ball are fine... even expected - even
    running off the field carrying the TD ball with hands raised is just
    fine, IMO.  Chicken dancing and duck walking into the endzone is taking 
    the "celebration" a bit far, IMO, and definitely lacks class.
778.1098CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 10:278


 After hearing Rison's post game interview, his prancing doesn't surprise me.



 Jim
778.1099WMOIS::CONNELLBe careful. We have boxes.Mon Jan 27 1997 11:5311
    The only showboating that really bothers me is when the defense stops
    the special teams after they've gone a yard or two past the twenty yard
    line on kickoff returns or punts run back from the endsone. I saw GB do
    this at least once and I've seen it during much of the season by all
    teams that I saw. I thought the point was to stop a return man BEFORE
    he reached the 20 yd line. The return team gets the 20 anyway. If the
    returner gets past the 20, it's gravy. Even to the 21 yd. line,
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    
778.1100BUSY::SLABAs you wishMon Jan 27 1997 12:138
    
    	That's potentially alot of work for a receiver to only end up
    	with an extra yard, isn't it?  He could have caught the ball
    	and fallen in the end zone and still gotten to the 20, but he
    	instead decided to run it and got to the 21.
    
    	If he gets to the 25+, then it's worth it.
    
778.1101ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQMon Jan 27 1997 12:185
Not sure how the Pats expected to win by passing 99% of the time. They're
bound to throw a couple of big interceptions sooner or later.

Ditto on the prancing. Spare us the schoolyard antics. I can't even remember
the last unsportsmanlike conduct call I've seen.
778.1102BUSY::SLABAs you wishMon Jan 27 1997 12:249
    
    	"Unsportsmanlike conduct" shouldn't be used against players who
    	"dance", etc.  It should be used against players who could neg-
    	atively affect the remainder of the game ... IE, for someone who
    	starts a fight or beans someone with a helmet or something like
    	that.
    
    	IMO, of course.
    
778.1103LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 27 1997 12:332
    i was surprised to learn that drew bledsoe can
    grip a baseball with his toes.
778.1104PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 12:354
   .1103  yeah, that kind of grossed me out.


778.1105CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 12:366
>    i was surprised to learn that drew bledsoe can
>    grip a baseball with his toes.


   Hey! So can Bret Favre!
778.1106SMURF::WALTERSMon Jan 27 1997 12:372
    After watching White landing on, I'd be surprised
    if he could hold anything.
778.1107PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 12:383
  .1105  aagagag.  oh yeah.

778.1108WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Jan 27 1997 12:384
    >i was surprised to learn that drew bledsoe can
    >grip a baseball with his toes.
    
     I think that you mean Brett Favre.
778.1109LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againMon Jan 27 1997 12:533
    i bet drew could do it too, if he really
    tried.  i'm sure he took that course in 
    college.
778.1110At the same time, yet.POMPY::LESLIE[email protected]Mon Jan 27 1997 12:573
    They're all such bright blokes.
    
    PHD is nose-picking and praising jeesus for their win.
778.1111WMOIS::CONNELLBe careful. We have boxes.Mon Jan 27 1997 13:0617
    M'sieu SLAB, yeah it is a lot of extra work for 1 yard. Some of them
    think they'll get further or try to break "the Big One". They play the
    odds and often end up losing. My problem is if they get even one extra
    yard, then they've gotten further then the gimmee 20 yard line, and the
    defense still celebrates in a showboat manner. "Wow! Look at what I
    did. I stopped him. Granted he got more yards then just to the 20, but
    I am so Great for stopping him at all." The return man doesn't
    celebrate, because he's usually to busy trying to see if he's still in
    one piece and and functioning and doesn't think that he's Batman. (I
    love those commercials.) It's just to much. You stop the guy at the 19
    or less and yes, celebrate. More celebration for closer your endzone.
    20 yd. line and further. No celebration and a penalty of 5 yards if you
    do. IMHO.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ
778.1112WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Jan 27 1997 13:116
i don't mind a little show-boating or dancing in the end zone.

what they don't get paid to do, as entertainers, is go over to
the opponents bench and get in their faces (like Howard did on
his first run back). that's just plain bush - no class -obnoxious,
pick one or all.
778.1113CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 13:1510


 I'm quite near the point where I have little desire to observe/support
 professional sports in any fashion, including baseball which I have loved
 most of my life.  I simply am fed up with the millionaires (players, owners,
 coaches/managers) and their whining and egos.


 Jim
778.1114PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BMon Jan 27 1997 13:174
   .1113  Then there's the bonehead fans paying $2500 a pop for
	  tickets, or whatever.

778.1115CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Jan 27 1997 13:284


  No kidding.
778.1116BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROMon Jan 27 1997 15:559
	
	Although I ususally loathe pre-game shows, I did learn one interesting
	bit of trivia from the Fox pre-game.

	Only 18 teams have ever been to the Superbowl.

	Only 12 have won.

Jim
778.1117ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 28 1997 08:402
    
    I'll try to pick the score better next year, di. honest.
778.1118ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Jan 28 1997 11:132
    i'm pleased as punch that Mike Ditka is back to coaching football
    again. He will make the Saints a better team in a hurry.
778.1119Mike Ditka was hospitalized today...SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Tue Jan 28 1997 11:343
Yeah right. I'll take week 6 in the pool.

daryll
778.1120This guy doesn't pull any punches!BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Tue Jan 28 1997 11:461
Anyone read Mike Barnicle in the Globe today?
778.1121CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsTue Jan 28 1997 12:132
    Don't tell me.  Now that the Pat's have lost, Mikey has seen fit to
    call them a bunch of washed up has beens, right?  
778.1122GOJIRA::JESSOPAnkylosaurs had afterburnersTue Jan 28 1997 13:0910
    Pats played pretty well... really had a chance, if they could tackle,
    and if they protected Bledsoe a little better.  Now if we can get a
    first round draft pick when Parcells goes to NY, and draft some mongo
    lineman and get a decent coach, we'll take it next year!
    
    And I don't see any problem with the dancing.  I dance and point
    fingers at my coworkers, taunting them everytime I solve a QAR.
    Doesn't everybody celebrate their job victories like that???
    
    Mike
778.1123:-)BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Tue Jan 28 1997 14:544
Mike, I'm afraid we'll have to ask you to leave for your offensive
behavior. Your last day will be Friday. Please be prepared to 
hand in your badge at that time.
778.1124ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 29 1997 09:563
    
    Paul Taglibue to help end the impasse between Parcells and Kraft.
    Methinks, Patriots won't be getting reimbursed for Bill's leaving.
778.1125WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 29 1997 10:05139
    >Methinks, Patriots won't be getting reimbursed for Bill's leaving.
    
     Doubtful. Kraft has a clause that prevents Parcells from working for
    anyone else in 97 if he chooses not to coach the Patriots. Kraft has
    him by the short hairs, and Parcells is being a big baby (if you ask
    me.) Here's a piece from yesterday's Globe which is one man's
    understanding of the situation.
    
    This time, owner has Tuna on the hook
    
    By Ron Borges, Globe Columnist, 01/28/97 
    
    NEW ORLEANS - While the Patriots flew home yesterday on a chartered
    flight at midday less than 24 hours after losing Super Bowl XXXI, the
    King of I was on a private plane surrounded by his cronies. This time,
    not only was there no team in Parcells, there was no team with
    Parcells. 
    
    Bill Parcells, the soon-to-be ex-coach of the Patriots, chose to come
    back to Providence with his family and friends rather than travel with
    the team he has led the past four years, a final indication of how
    today's planned settlement meeting with owner Bob Kraft will go. 
    
    Here is the situation Parcells finds himself in this morning. He wants
    to leave, probably for the New York Jets, and Kraft is ready to tell
    him not to let the door hit him in the backside on the way out. But
    Parcells wants to leave without honoring a deal he himself brokered
    last season, and this Kraft will never allow him to do. 
    
    Because of that, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue has had league
    attorneys reviewing the contract since Parcells himself asked Tagliabue
    to step in and rule on the dispute following a recent memorial service
    for former commissioner Pete Rozelle. Kraft made the same request as
    well, by letter, early last week. 
    
    Tagliabue intends to rule on what Parcells' freedom will cost no later
    than Thursday after conducting a telephone negotiating session with
    both parties today. In such disputes, the commissioner is the final
    arbiter, according to the league's constitution, and that provision
    will likely forestall any threatened lawsuits because it is unlikely
    that a court would take jurisdiction in a matter already adjudicated
    under a private arbitration agreement, especially when Parcells was the
    first to ask Tagliabue to step in. 
    
    In the end, the chances that Tagliabue will side with Parcells are
    probably nil, and the King of I knows it. Worse for him, he knows why. 
    
    On Jan. 12, 1996, Parcells thought he had snookered Kraft when the
    owner agreed to allow the coach out of the last year of his original
    contract in exchange for his name on a piece of paper that is now
    haunting him despite his agent's efforts to re-interpret that document. 
    
    At the time, Parcells did not feel well, he was unhappy at the
    Patriots' performance and he felt he had not done a good job of
    coaching in 1995. He believed he did not want to coach again after
    1996, but if he didn't, he knew under the terms of his original
    contract it would cost $1.3 million to buy himself out unless he had
    serious health problems. 
    
    Kraft agreed to amend the contract to void the buyout clause at
    Parcells' request, demanding two things in return: $300,000 that was
    part of a $900,000 lump-sum payment Kraft had made to Parcells when he
    bought the team, and the coach's name on an agreement that bound him to
    the Patriots if he did decide to be a coach, general manager or
    personnel director in 1997. 
    
    The $300,000 was not a buyout of the contract, as Parcells well knows.
    It was payment from a deal Parcells made with previous owner James
    Busch Orthwein for wearing Apex clothing on the sidelines. Had Kraft
    chosen to, he could have tried to hardball Parcells on that because
    Apex went out of business and the Patriots' owner signed a new deal
    with Starter that pays the team rather than the coach for the apparel
    worn by coaches and staff. 
    
    This he did not do, but Kraft was unwilling to allow Parcells to leave
    with $300,000 that Kraft believes he was owed only if he coached in
    1997. More important, he was unwilling to allow him to coach in 1997 if
    it was not with the Patriots. 
    
    Then, as this season unfolded, Parcells was rejuvenated. His team was
    winning and he at some point decided he wanted to continue coaching.
    The problem was, he no longer wanted to work for Kraft, who he felt
    publicly humiliated him when he ordered the drafting of Terry Glenn
    over Parcells' choice of a defensive player last April. But Parcells
    was stuck with that little piece of paper he signed, and the
    machinations began. 
    
    Last Monday Parcells' agent, Robert Fraley, claimed the $300,000 that
    once was alleged to have been used to help pay the salary of assistant
    coach Bill Belichick and to give two other assistants raises was now
    supposedly used to buy Parcells out of his contract. Some 48 hours
    later, Fraley was saying Parcells was ready to pay Kraft $1.2 million
    to get out of a contract he'd said was null and void 48 hours earlier.
    At this point, all Parcells needed was three walnut shells and a pea
    and he could have gotten a job in a sideshow. 
    
    ``I've seen it,'' an NFL executive said of the amended contract. ``Some
    people think no one has seen it but they're wrong. The lawyers have
    been looking at it for Paul. Kraft dotted all the I's and crossed all
    the T's. Parcells has no way out of this and he knows it. He made a big
    mistake.'' 
    
    Anyone who knows Parcells knows that is impossible, however. Mistakes
    are for mortals, not three-time Super Bowl champions. Oh, wait a
    minute. Amend that last statement, too. 
    
    What Parcells signed on Jan. 12, 1996, is now an albatross around his
    neck, and all the lawyers' fees in the world won't get him out of it
    because Kraft intends to hold his feet to the fire. He believes to do
    otherwise would open the door to all kinds of challenges to legitimate
    contracts between owners and coaches, but frankly, it is more than
    that. It is personal now, and when things get personal they tend to get
    vindictive. 
    
    Kraft has made noise about trying to get the first draft pick next
    spring from the Jets if they sign Parcells, but that is unlikely to
    happen. Tagliabue will side with Kraft on his right to compensation -
    even though no specific compensation clause exists - because he
    believes Parcells is legally bound to the Patriots for 1997 and because
    he knows that when they vote on his next contract, Bill Parcells won't
    have a ballot but Bob Kraft will. 
    
    Still, Tagliabue is unlikely to take the No. 1 pick away from aged Leon
    Hess, the quiet man who owns the Jets and probably wishes he never got
    involved in this mess. It is more likely that Tagliabue will award
    Kraft the Jets' second-round pick, claiming they did not tamper with
    Parcells before his contract expired (as was the ruling when Dom Capers
    went to Carolina and the Panthers were forced to give Pittsburgh No. 2
    and 3 picks), but that Kraft is entitled to compensation for Parcells
    breaking his contract. 
    
    Parcells can threaten all the lawsuits he wants, because if he does
    sue, it will be doing what my father always warned me against. It will
    be throwing good money after bad. 
    
    What the King of I needs to see is that for once this is the real world
    he's in, not the sports world. It's a place where businessmen not only
    write contracts but also hold people to them whether they stamp their
    feet or not. 
778.1126An astonishingly rapid fall from graceTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxWed Jan 29 1997 11:047
    I don't think I've ever seen anyone go from media darling to
    media bumb anywhere near as quickly as Bill Parcells.
    
    And I think it would've happened even if the Patriots had won
    the Super Bowl.
    
    Chris
778.1127ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 29 1997 11:154
    
    thanks for the info doc. Tribune wasn't that detailed on this
    development. otoh, is it true the Patriots shunned their fans at
    the teams return from New Orleans?
778.1128NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 29 1997 11:221
Is Lechmere gonna stop plastering his puss all over their ads?
778.1129BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 29 1997 11:261
shunned? I saw a ton of fans at foxboro when they got back.....
778.1130WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 29 1997 11:266
    >otoh, is it true the Patriots shunned their fans at the teams return
    >from New Orleans?
    
     Not according to the TV news. About 300 fans turned out to greet them.
    The big name players didn't come back; they went to Hawaii for the
    pro-bowl.
778.1131ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 29 1997 11:356
    
    Green Bay had hundreds of thousands of people turn out. 60,000 fans
    paid $5 to sit in the stadium, awaiting their heros. They started
    filing in at 2:00 or so. Players got to the stadium around 7:00 p.m.
    The weather was -10. Craziness, sitting in -10 for 4-5 hours. Green
    Bay's fans are a hearty lot.
778.1132NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 29 1997 11:361
Hardy boys.
778.1133BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 29 1997 11:371
greenbay also won.... i wonder if they would have done that if they had lost?
778.1134SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Wed Jan 29 1997 11:381
There's a fine line between "hardy" and "stupid".
778.1135LANDO::OLIVER_Bready to begin againWed Jan 29 1997 11:391
    oh my, there's that word again.
778.1136POWDML::HANGGELILet&#039;s Play ChocolateWed Jan 29 1997 11:393
    
    Kiss me, Hardy.
    
778.1137SALEM::DODALife&#039;s a meeting. Get on the agenda!Wed Jan 29 1997 11:411
<pant>
778.1138SMURF::WALTERSWed Jan 29 1997 11:521
    "Kismet, Hardy"  /hth, nfl, rotc, etc
778.1139POWDML::HANGGELILet&#039;s Play ChocolateWed Jan 29 1997 11:533
    
    I'd rather be kissed than f�ted.
    
778.1140SMURF::WALTERSWed Jan 29 1997 12:021
    I'm sure you are both, m'dear.
778.1141NUBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighWed Jan 29 1997 12:144
I don't know if he found one, but Parcells was trying to find a moving
company to move his furniture today (Wednesday) -- to New Jersey. Heard
this from a company that couldn't meet his schedule.

778.1142WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 29 1997 12:2011
    >Green Bay had hundreds of thousands of people turn out. 60,000 fans
    >paid $5 to sit in the stadium, awaiting their heros. They started
    >filing in at 2:00 or so. Players got to the stadium around 7:00 p.m.
    >The weather was -10. Craziness, sitting in -10 for 4-5 hours. Green
    >Bay's fans are a hearty lot.
    
     Exactly how many professional sports teams does Green Bay have?
    When it's all you've got...
    
     I don't know if I'd characterize it as stupid. Put yourself in their
    mukluks.
778.1143BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROWed Jan 29 1997 14:2310
              <<< Note 778.1142 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Spott Itj" >>>

>     Exactly how many professional sports teams does Green Bay have?
>    When it's all you've got...
 
	Exactly how many people does Green Bay have?

	(It's a relatively small town, right?)

Jim
778.1144REAL fansEVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersWed Jan 29 1997 14:268
>    >Green Bay had hundreds of thousands of people turn out. 60,000 fans
>    >paid $5 to sit in the stadium, awaiting their heros. They started

>     Exactly how many professional sports teams does Green Bay have?
>    When it's all you've got...

I wonder how a city of ~100,000 can support a football team and a stadium
that holds 60,000.
778.1145beer townGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Jan 29 1997 14:274
  they've sometimes played in milwaukee

  bb
778.1146BUSY::SLABAs you wishWed Jan 29 1997 14:396
    
    	RE: .1144
    
    	Yeah, there are more than just Green Bay residents going to the
    	games.
    
778.1147WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Jan 29 1997 14:414
>I wonder how a city of ~100,000 can support a football team and a stadium
>that holds 60,000.
    
     Why doncha axe Foxboro the same question?
778.1148POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorWed Jan 29 1997 14:412
    That's true, I seen a few gulls flying around the field during a game
    once.
778.1149ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Jan 29 1997 14:594
    
    the people of Green bay live and die with the packers. it's the only
    pro sport around. Plus, they have supported this team for decades. A
    real fans town. of course, they are our main rival.
778.1150BUSY::SLABAs you wishWed Jan 29 1997 15:393
    
    	Eesh, at 1st I thought "our" meant "NE's".
    
778.1151EVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersWed Jan 29 1997 15:4610
>>I wonder how a city of ~100,000 can support a football team and a stadium
>>that holds 60,000.
>    
>     Why doncha axe Foxboro the same question?

Not really the same idea, since 1) They're not the Foxboro Patriots, they're
the New England Patriots, and 2) there isn't a large nearby city to support
them, while Foxboro is between Boston and Providence, and near Worcester. 
Milwaukee is sort of around, but that would be kind of like Boston fans
supporting "sort of nearby" NYC area teams.
778.1152Go, uh, uhhh, what's the name of the team again?TLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxWed Jan 29 1997 16:166
> ...but that would be kind of like Boston fans
> supporting "sort of nearby" NYC area teams.
    
    Which may be sooner than we think, if the Cleveland Patriots happen.
    
    Chris
778.1154BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Jan 29 1997 16:472
	So Greenbay had fans up the Wausau when they got back, eh?
778.1153EVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersWed Jan 29 1997 16:505
Well Milwaukee is "only" 117 miles away, it's not as far as I thought.  Other
places nearby are Appleton (pop 66000) and Wausau about 30 miles away.

Boston equivalent would be moving the Patriots to Portland, ME (except
Portland is too big compared to GB!)
778.1155POWDML::HANGGELILet&#039;s Play ChocolateWed Jan 29 1997 17:013
    
    Filthaaaa.
    
778.1156WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Jan 30 1997 07:001
isn't the team owned by the public?
778.1157CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 30 1997 07:265



 Yes.
778.1158WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 30 1997 07:407
    NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue has ruled in favor of Kraft and the
    Patriots and against Parcells, saying that the coach is obligated by
    the amended contract that he brokered to the Patriots for the 97
    season. If he is to work in any official capacity in the NFL it will be
    for the Patriots or with the Patriots' permission (read: compensation).
    Word is that the Pats are looking for a first round draft pick- which
    from the Jets would be the first overall pick.
778.1159HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Thu Jan 30 1997 07:518
    
    Good!
    
    As far as I'm concerned, Parcells screwed the Patriots!
    
    Here's a quote from George Young.
    
    "Why can't he allow an owner to enjoy a Super Bowl in peace?"
778.1160ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Jan 30 1997 08:294
    
    looks like you all are going to have a lame duck coach. Parcells
    isn't worth the number 1 overall pick. Then again, we are talking
    the Jets here.
778.1161Kraft v. ParcellsGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaThu Jan 30 1997 08:304
  I smell a civil suit.

  bb
778.1162WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 30 1997 08:413
    I think that's unlikely, and in any case would be filed by Parcells
    against Kraft and the Patriots. Kraft already has the ruling he wants
    in hand; there's no motivation for him to sue.
778.1163What a maroonCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 30 1997 08:464


 Get lost, Bill...
778.1164ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Jan 30 1997 08:482
    
    jimbob, let me help you out. that would be moron. nnttm, really
778.1165CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 30 1997 08:494


 whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
778.1166Daaaaa, What's up Doc!BRITE::FYFEUse it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.Thu Jan 30 1997 09:440
778.1167WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Jan 30 1997 11:403
let me help a little more Mark...

maroon origin: Three Stooges (where i first heard it as a child)
778.1168ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Jan 30 1997 11:594
    
    ok, here I was all set to pounce on an obvious spelling mistake.
    How was I to know it was a Stooge's line?
    
778.1169WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Jan 30 1997 12:061
    Well, you shoulda remembered it was oft used by Bugs Bunny, at least.
778.1170CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Jan 30 1997 12:318

 I don't recall ever hearing the stooges use it, but am quite familiar
 with Mr. Bunny's usage.



 Jim
778.1171MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyThu Jan 30 1997 12:325
    What a maroon....he he he...what an ignoramous...YIKE!!!
    
    Daaaarr.....you can't fool me anymore...I know who you are...you're that
    screwy rabbit!!!!!!
    
778.1172POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorThu Jan 30 1997 12:383
    "What a maroon. What a gullibull. What a nincowpoop."

    "Stop steamin' up my tail! What are you trying to do, wrinkle it?"
778.1173BARSTR::JANDROWThu Jan 30 1997 13:1010
    
    >> "Stop steamin' up my tail! What are you trying to do, wrinkle it?"
    
    is that before or after he slaps the bull right on the nose??
    
    
    
    
    
    
778.1174POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorThu Jan 30 1997 13:143
    after.

    Then he does the sombrero dance/slapping routine.
778.1175TROOA::BUTKOVICHlet&#039;s work the problem, peopleThu Jan 30 1997 13:166
    ahh... memories.... The Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner Hour, every Saturday at
    5:30.. homemade hamburgers in front of the telly... (wiping a tear from
    me eye)
    
    Oh yeah..... Apparently, Jim Kelly is set to announce his retirement at
    a press conference tomorrow.
778.1176BARSTR::JANDROWThu Jan 30 1997 13:208
    
    i can see the steam flowing from his ring-studded nose now...the bull's
    nose, not jim kelly's.  i love bugs bunny's show...
    
    jim kelly on the other hand...it's time he steps down.  dan marino,
    too.
    
    
778.1177POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorThu Jan 30 1997 13:221
    I think I'll step down too. I've lost the love of the game.
778.1178BARSTR::JANDROWThu Jan 30 1997 13:278
    
    they can still coach.  i just don't think they have what they used to
    have.  or become the back-up dude.
    
    speaking of back-up dudes...did anyone else notice jim macmahon (sp) on
    the sidelines during the 'bowl.  he looked possessed!  but i have to
    say, he did look better (or maybe just younger) than he did when he
    played for the bears...
778.1179BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Jan 30 1997 13:366
| <<< Note 778.1168 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago - My Kind of Town" >>>


| How was I to know it was a Stooge's line?

	What a setup... and no one took the bait! 
778.1180ASIC::RANDOLPHTom R. N1OOQThu Jan 30 1997 14:164
> maroon origin: Three Stooges (where i first heard it as a child)

It might go back even farther... if you watch any WC Fields, Buster Keaton,
any of that really old stuff, you see a lot of Stooge routines.
778.1181WMOIS::GIROUARD_CThu Jan 30 1997 14:181
-1 quite true. comedic theft was rampant back then.
778.1182ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Jan 30 1997 14:242
    
    profootball, people, profootball
778.1183ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 09:192
    
    Joe Bugel expected to be named head coach of the Raiders.
778.1184ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 09:203
    doc, and other Patriot fans. Do you think the Jets will give up the
    overall number 1 pick to sign Parcells? If so, do you think he's
    worth it? I, personally think he's not.
778.1185SMART2::JENNISONGod and sinners, reconciledFri Jan 31 1997 09:214
    
    	Will they sound the trumpet ?
    
    
778.1186HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Fri Jan 31 1997 09:235
    
    Yup, I think the jets will give up the no 1 pick.
    I've read they already have salary cap problems. After all,
    O'Donnell cost them a lot as did Keyshawn.
    As for Parcells, good riddance.
778.1187CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 31 1997 09:275



 Good riddance indeed..
778.1188ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 09:285
    
    the more i read about this, the more I agree with you Hank. Kraft
    paid big bucks for that team, and Parcells did sign the contract.
    Seems like contracts don't mean much anymore, hardly anyone honors
    them. some exceptions though, like Michael Jordan.
778.1189the tuna had tasteGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Jan 31 1997 09:297
  ya, sure, good riddance...take perennial losers from cellar to the
 top, get tossed, franchise down tubes after succession of dodoheads

  won't make the playoffs next year, I'm thinking

  bb
778.1190PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BFri Jan 31 1997 09:359
>         <<< Note 778.1189 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "Champagne  Supernova" >>>

>  ya, sure, good riddance...take perennial losers from cellar to the
> top

	um, yeah, i was wondering why that didn't seem to enter into
	the equation.


778.1191CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 31 1997 09:3911


  Sure, he did a fine job in turning the team around..my hat is off to 
  him for that.  But this whole bit the last week or 2 completely turned
  me off to him.  I don't think he had any intention of being here after
  4 years.  



 Jim
778.1192ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 09:404
    
    Parcells is a great coach, but he's not the only one who can win.
    Keep Holmgren in mind, you never know who will be the next Holmgren
    or Seifert.
778.1193Wait'll next year!SHRCTR::PJOHNSONVaya con huevos.Fri Jan 31 1997 09:458
I have always liked Parcells and still do. He is a great football
coach, albeit with a large ego, to which he's entitled.

I would like to see NE get NY's #1 pick for Parcells, and Siefert, and
win the whole thing next year. I'd be a bit surprised to see it
happen (can the Jets be that dumb?), but it might.

Pete
778.1194HANNAH::MODICAJourneyman&#039;s farewell noting tour.Fri Jan 31 1997 09:4522
    
    Re: .1189
    
    I'll agree that Parcells did a great job with the Pats,
    up to the week of the Superbowl. Then he put his interests
    ahead of the team. One writer speculated that if Parcells
    spent as much time on a game plan as he had on manipulating
    the press via his agent, the outcome may have been different.
    
    I remember reading a remark from an assistant coach.
    Something along the lines of...Here we are at the Superbowl, which
    should be one of the greatest times of our lives, and I don't
    know if I'll have a job on Monday.
    
    I also thought it stunk when he wouldn't accompany the team
    back from the Superbowl
    
    The team gave him everything they had and he abandoned them
    at the worst possible time.
    
    
    							Hank
778.1195WMOIS::GIROUARD_CFri Jan 31 1997 10:018
...large ego to which he's entitled?

why?

is he also entitled to be a rude, crude, and controlling
megalomaniac because of a winning season?

naw, i don't think so.
778.1196SALEM::DODAApparently a true story....Fri Jan 31 1997 10:312
If Heath Shuler is worth a #1 and a #2 as compensation, Parcells 
is certainly worth a #1.
778.1197ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 10:343
    
    shuler is only worth a #1 and a #3. that's only if he is signed between
    February 14th until April 14th. After that, he's just trade bait.
778.1198WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 31 1997 10:4839
>...large ego to which he's entitled?
>
>why?
    
    It comes with being among the elite at your chosen profession. In fact,
    in many professions, it's very nearly a prerequisite. Bill Parcells is
    a very talented, dynamic and skilled football coach. He's also a jerk.
    Most of the time he was in NE, when he was being a jerk it was
    entertaining (and also winning on the football field) so nobody gave
    him much of a hard time. I can remember watching some of his post-game
    (and pre-game) press conferences. Even when he was being an <r.o.> it
    was quite entertaining (most of the time.) Like many other highly
    talented people, he has some significant personality foibles. Because
    we were getting something we wanted, they were overlooked. With his
    machinations at a time when he should have been concentrating his
    efforts on delivering his and the team's best performance, he put those
    foibles in high relief. His subsequent actions betray disloyalty, which
    to Boston sports fans is high treason. He must have known this, which
    means the insult is even greater because he shows that he doesn't care
    at all about his image here. He has Gingriched his goodwill.
    
    He could have been forgiven had he decided to play this differently,
    with honor. If he decided that the deal was "you give me complete
    control or we're not going to be able to come to an agreement" and he
    waited until after the season ended to do it, he'd have been forgiven
    that particular indulgence of egotism (not easily, but he'd have been
    forgiven.) Instead he (again) detracted from the Superbowl by playing
    games. His former employer, George Young of the NY Giants said, "Can't
    he allow an owner to enjoy a Superbowl?" (Similar machinations occurred
    during his two previous trips.)
    
    What has many people pissed off is that he lied to us. He said he was
    going to sit down and talk to Kraft after the season about coaching the
    Patriots, but he obviously had no intentions of doing so. He was only
    interested in wriggling out of his contract; he had no intentions of
    remaining the Patriots head coach.
    
    He's lost his luster. No two ways about it. And he's really intensified
    the Jets-Pats rivalry. It's into Sox-Yankees territory, now.
778.1199Seemed to go beyond what was necessaryTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxFri Jan 31 1997 10:5530
    I'm not all that knowledgeable about football, but I do agree with
    what Jim and Hank said.  He was a great coach up until that last
    couple of weeks, when something obviously changed very suddenly
    and radically.  And at the Super Bowl itself, both during the intros
    and through the game, he clearly looked like he was hardly even
    "there" (at first I thought I was the only one who noticed this,
    but others did too).
    
    I don't expect anyone in pro sports to be completely self-sacrificing,
    but his antics over that last couple of weeks look pretty selfish,
    and not only had an impact on the players and their performance (IMHO)
    but also took a lot of the fun out of the experience for just about
    everyone involved from fans to asst. coaches to the owner.
    
    Now, it's easy to brush off that last point, but to me it's important.
    After all is said and done, sports are supposed to be entertaining and
    fun.  This Super Bowl wasn't as much fun as it should've been,
    regardless of the loss.
    
    As for the Jets, I suspect they'll give up something major for
    Parcells, maybe even the #1 pick, and for them this might be the
    right choice at this time.
    
    As for the Pats, there was one of several pretty good newspaper
    articles/commentary the other day claiming that if Kraft does a
    nationwide search and comes up with the football equivalent of
    a Jimy Williams, there'll be hell to pay from the fans.  I suspect
    this is true.
    
    Chris
778.1200WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjFri Jan 31 1997 10:583
    I thought the most obvious display of Parcells' mere attendance at the
    Superbowl wass his failure to make any adjustments whatsoever. He just
    sat around, waiting for the final gun (by all appearances.)
778.1201CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 31 1997 11:049
    
>    As for the Pats, there was one of several pretty good newspaper
>    articles/commentary the other day claiming that if Kraft does a
>    nationwide search and comes up with the football equivalent of
>    a Jimy Williams, there'll be hell to pay from the fans.  I suspect
>    this is true.
    
 
  arrrggh..
778.1202Stay tuned for further "news"TLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxFri Jan 31 1997 12:254
    I guess Parcells just had a news conference in which he announced
    the astonishing news that he was leaving as Patriots coach.  :-O  :-)
    
    Chris
778.1203CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Jan 31 1997 12:324


 I'm stunned
778.1204Jets won't get himEVMS::MORONEYUHF ComputersFri Jan 31 1997 12:341
Due to a prior contract, Parcells won't be coaching for any team in 1997.
778.1205BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 31 1997 12:351
did he state that?????
778.1206BUSY::SLABAs you wishFri Jan 31 1997 12:406
    
    	His contract states that.
    
    	He needs NE's permission to coach next year, and they're appar-
    	ently not going to give it to him.
    
778.1207BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Jan 31 1997 12:471
nothing short of a #1 pick....
778.1208ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 12:552
    
    NBC has an opening.
778.1209STAR::EVANSFri Jan 31 1997 12:555
They'd use the #1 pick to take Orlando Pace to protect Bledsoe's blind side.

Jim


778.1210ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Jan 31 1997 13:153
    
    Orlando Pace would be a good pick for anyone, Jim. Peyton Manning
    would then be taken by NO.
778.1211WMOIS::GIROUARD_CFri Jan 31 1997 13:225
i agree with every word, Doc. it seems that the "entitled" just
does not work for me. 

i guess some folks embrace class when faced with extraordinary
displays of talent (Vaughn - Ripkin) and some act like BP. 
778.1212ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Feb 03 1997 09:332
    
    Pete Carroll due to be named head coach of the Patriots.
778.1213last yr in FxbroGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaMon Feb 03 1997 09:364
 97-98, 7-9.

  bb
778.1214MKOTS3::JMARTINEbonics Is Not ApplyMon Feb 03 1997 10:3011
    On Claptrap and Witless this morning, they had the father of a
    Merrimack youth.  Dad is suing Bob Kraft for emotional suffering since
    son had to wait in line three hours and didn't get ticket.  He followed
    the rules and the line was dispersed by police, only to have ruffians
    move in and get the tickets.  Now son tells father he won't play on
    Merrimack high school team unless dad gives him a Ford Bronce...and dad
    is giving in to this.
    
    The biproduct of a new generation.  How wonderful.
    
    -Jack
778.1215CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Feb 03 1997 10:324


  the kid and father should both be caned.  what a bunch o' maroons.
778.1216WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjMon Feb 03 1997 12:3674
    Patriots hire Carroll as coach
    
    By Howard Ulman, Associated Press, 02/03/97 
    
    FOXBORO, Mass. (AP) - Pete Carroll, the defensive coordinator of the
    San Francisco 49ers the last two years, is the new coach of the New
    England Patriots, succeeding Bill Parcells. 
    
    A Patriots spokesman today confirmed the appointment, which had been
    expected even before Parcells and the Patriots officially severed ties
    Friday. 
    
    The announcement, which comes eight days after the Patriots lost 35-21
    to the Green Bay Packers in the Super Bowl, is to be made at a news
    conference at noon EST. 
    
    Carroll, the head coach for the New York Jets in 1994, reportedly
    interviewed for the St. Louis Rams coaching job but was passed over for
    Dick Vermeil. 
    
    Carroll was bypassed by the 49ers when they hired University of
    California coach Steve Mariucci a day after George Seifert resigned as
    coach after eight seasons. 
    
    Carroll, 45, was 6-10 in his one season with the Jets. He was fired by
    Jets owner Leon Hess after that season and then joined the 49ers staff. 
    
    Parcells and New England owner Robert Kraft split over a contract
    dispute in which NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue ruled in favor of the
    Patriots. 
    
    Now the Jets, who covet Parcells for their coaching vacancy, must
    decide if they are willing to give up their overall No. 1 pick to the
    Patriots in compensation for signing the coach who won two Super Bowls
    with the New York Giants. 
    
    Carroll has experience at both the college and pro level. His NFL
    stints include a stay with the Minnesota Vikings as defensive backfield
    coach from 1985-89 and Jets defensive coordinator from 1990 until he
    was made head coach for the 1994 season. 
    
    After taking the Patriots from last place in the AFC East to the Super
    Bowl in his four seasons, Parcells stepped down because he wasn't happy
    not having final say over personnel moves. 
    
    ``They want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop
    for some of the groceries,'' Parcells has said. 
    
    Parcells' dissatisfaction in New England goes back a long way. After
    the team went 6-10 in 1995, he wasn't sure he wanted to meet the final
    year of his contract in 1997. 
    
    But he'd have to pay Kraft $1.2 million to get out of that year. So he
    asked Kraft to remove the last year from the deal. Kraft agreed and the
    contract was amended Jan. 12, 1996. 
    
    In exchange, Parcells agreed that if he wanted to coach in 1997 it
    could be only for the Patriots, unless they gave their consent. 
    
    On Friday, Parcells and Kraft held their own news conferences at the
    same lectern. Parcells said he was resigning and didn't know what his
    future held; Kraft insisted the two had a cordial relationship, but the
    organization would thrive without Parcells. 
    
    ``I know I'm not the easiest guy all the time but, by and large, I've
    been treated fairly,'' the ex-coach said at the time. ``With me
    leaving, it's going to be Bob Kraft's team now.'' 
    
    Kraft praised Parcells as a motivator who in just four years molded a
    franchise with a reputation for failure into a Super Bowl team. 
    
    ``Bill Parcells brought huge credibility here,'' Kraft said. ``He got
    the ball rolling and created the excitement and did more for this
    franchise than anyone could have done. I wish he was still here.'' 
778.1217CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Feb 03 1997 12:407

 According to Kraft at the new coach news conference, the Jets have asked him
 for permission to talk to Parcells and Kraft is "considering" it.


 Jim
778.1218BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon Feb 03 1997 12:445


	That would be cool.... we would have 2 first round draft picks. Kraft
could choose one, and Pete could choose the other! :-)
778.1219CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayMon Feb 03 1997 12:509


 I think Kraft will stall them a bit as he wants a couple of Parcells'
 assistant coaches.



 Jim
778.1220death spiral in F'boro...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaTue Feb 04 1997 13:209
  This is getting very ugly.  Jets hired Beliczec (sp ?) as "head coach".
 Kraft opens the question of whether the Jets "tampered" with Parcells.
 Asks, "how can I let him coach next year, he knows our playbook ?"  And
 Parcells is weighing possible lawsuit, while Kraft dangles for draft picks.

  Pete Caroll ?  Gimme a break - not fit to carry the Tuna's clipboard...

  bb
778.1221WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Feb 04 1997 14:0733
    Jets' plan: Belichick the coach, Parcells on deck
    
    By Barry Wilner, Associated Press, 02/04/97; 13:21 
    
    HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. - Unwilling to strike a deal with New England for Bill
    Parcells, the New York Jets said today they will hire him as a
    consultant and have him as their coach no later than next year. 
    
    For now, Bill Belichick, Parcells' longtime aide, will become the
    interim coach. Jets president Steve Gutman said Belichick is also
    likely to be the successor after Parcells coaches ``two or more
    years.'' 
    
    ``Bill and I will work in concert as we always have and I think we'll
    be successful,'' Belichick said at a news conference at the Jets'
    headquarters. 
    
    Parcells, who coached the Patriots to the Super Bowl this season, will
    have no responsibility in coaching or personnel matters although he is
    to have an office at the Jets' complex. 
    
    Belichick, who was the Cleveland Browns' head coach for five seasons,
    spent last season as Parcells' defensive coordinator with the Patriots. 
    
    He is not the coach the woeful Jets sought. But with negotiations to
    acquire Parcells going nowhere and the Jets adamant in retaining their
    overall No. 1 draft pick, the club turned to Belichick as a successor
    to Rich Kotite, filling the last NFL coaching vacancy. 
    
    Gutman said negotiations for Parcells to take over sooner were
    continuing between Jets owner Leon Hess and Patriots owner Robert
    Kraft. But Gutman reiterated that the Jets will not give up the first
    pick in April's draft to secure Parcells as their coach for next season
778.1222WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Feb 04 1997 14:116
    I don't believe Kraft will accept Parcells working for the Jets even as
    a consultant without going back to Tagliabue unless the Jets come
    across with compensation. This announced arrangement seems to directly
    contravene the commissioner's ruling. Look for a deal to emerge with a
    couple of second round picks (this year and next year) and another
    player.
778.1223BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Feb 04 1997 14:401
i think the other player will be richie kotite.... :-)
778.1224do "consultants" wear headsets ?GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Feb 05 1997 11:519
  The Jets have hired Bill Parcells as a "consultant" for this year,
 and indicated he will be head coach next year.

  Kraft is hopping mad, and will complain to Tagliabue.

  I still say this is all going to court.

  bb
778.1225ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Feb 05 1997 12:036
    
    no it won't. Parcells is not a head coach. he is keeping within
    his contract with kraft. It didn't say he couldn't be a consultant
    for one year and head coach the next. Kraft will lose in court if
    he decides to file. Jets did the thing that makes the most sense
    for them, plus they keep the #1 pick.
778.1226yeah, rightGAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Feb 05 1997 12:085
  How do you KNOW he isn't a head coach ?  Because the Jets give him
 some other title ?  What a crock - he's a head coach, and this is a ruse.

  bb
778.1227ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Feb 05 1997 12:103
    
    bb, you are far to cynical a person. you must learn on occasion
    to trust other people. 
778.1228BUSY::SLABAll the leaves are brownWed Feb 05 1997 12:145
    
    	Yeah, people are inherently good.
    
    	Some just have occasional bad thoughts.
    
778.1229WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Feb 05 1997 12:4016
    The "consultant" deal is, in fact, "a transparent farce." Kraft will be
    told by Tagliabue to make a deal. Tagliabue has to do what's best for
    all of football, and that is to get Parcells on the sidelines next year
    for a team in the largest TV market. This ploy by the Jets is simply an
    indication that Kraft misplayed his hand. He had great cards, but you
    can't hold the ace forever. His mistake was not letting the Jets talk
    to Parcells prior to coming to an agreement on compensation. He should
    have let the Jets and Parcells talk and get real comfortable with each
    other and structure Parcells' contract and everything. Then he would
    have been in a stronger position to extract high compensation.
    
    The idea of getting the #1 pick in the draft was basically fantasy.
    What he should hold out for is the #2 picks for this year and next year
    and perhaps a player. That would be agreed to by the Jets (after
    hemming, hawing and complaining) in order to get Parcells on the
    sidelines.
778.1230BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Feb 05 1997 12:474

	This must make the coach they have now (Belichek [sp?]) feel real
comfy. 
778.1231and he's getting beaucoup bucksWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Feb 05 1997 12:482
    He doesn't care. He's a good pal of Parcells, and has been promised the
    head coaching job when Parcells retires.
778.1232Pats vs. Jets games ought to be interestingTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxWed Feb 05 1997 13:5612
    I haven't read the contract, of course, but my hazy memory of a
    couple of weeks ago seems to recall that Parcells wouldn't be allowed
    to join an NFL team in *any* capacity, not just as coach.  No?  Has
    any newsdroid reported on this lately?
    
    In any event, I agree that Kraft played tough for a little too long.
    Unless that contract does read explicitly as I'd said above, he's
    not going to end up with much.
    
    Funny how fast this thing teeter-totters back and forth.
    
    Chris
778.1233SHRCTR::PJOHNSONVaya con huevos.Wed Feb 05 1997 14:178
I'm still amazed that NY didn't give up an unknown for a known draft
pick for Parcells). I think Tag'll tell NY to bench Parcells for the
season (and I mean bench) or give NE the #1 pick.

If teams are allowed to screw each other the way NY is screwing with
NE, all hell will break loose on Tag's watch. Not good at all.

Pete
778.1234NHASAD::SHERKI belong! I got circles overme i&#039;sThu Feb 06 1997 06:4933
    
Hah,
    
    The league is cornered.  If they tell NY to give up more than a
    pittance they can tell Parcells to leave.  At this point Parcells 
    would be sitting on a monster civil suit against the league for
    lost future earnings.  It is very clear that Kraft and Parcells were
    not in agreement long before the Jets opportunity came up.  Trying
    to get the Jets to pay for this is not likely to float.
    
    
    I don't want to see player for coach deals at all and I think the NFL
    made a big mistake entertaining such a deal.  On the next team you
    might find a real genius at picking players for the draft.  Is there
    going to be draft picks given up when such a person leaves?
    
    So Parcells is sitting on an agreement that says he won't head coach
    or serve in a comparable position for another team.  Until he does
    that I don't see that he has broken the agreement.  Given this 
    language and the present situation there might be room for an agreement
    as to what "comparable position" encompasses but that is about it.   
        
    BTW - this stuff about "he know's our playbook" looks to me like crap.
    Given all the coaches, assistant coaches, players moving around the 
    league there should be a pretty good library of playbooks with each
    team.
    
    Looks to me like Kraft has been snookered.  Parcells has done a good
    job of positioning himself to win.  This  should come as no suprise 
    to those who have followed his coaching with the Patriots.
    
    ken
    
778.1235Including Drew's personal qb coachBIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Feb 06 1997 07:294

	5 other coaches, including the defensive coordinator, have gone to the
Jets. 
778.1236WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Feb 06 1997 07:5568
    >The league is cornered.  If they tell NY to give up more than a
    >pittance they can tell Parcells to leave.  
    
     Which they really, really don't want to do.
    
    >At this point Parcells  would be sitting on a monster civil suit
    >against the league for lost future earnings.  
    
     That would be throwing good money after bad. Parcells well knows that
    the commissioner is the final arbiter in such matters. In addition,
    what civil court is going to want to take a case in which a private
    resolution has been brokered already, particularly when Parcells went
    to Tagliabue first.
    
    >It is very clear that Kraft and Parcells were
    >not in agreement long before the Jets opportunity came up.  Trying
    >to get the Jets to pay for this is not likely to float.
    
     Parcells didn't play it right. If he'd let Kraft fire him, then he'd
    have been free and clear. But he wanted to play games. He wanted the
    bigtime attention during super bowl week. He got it. At a price.
    
    >I don't want to see player for coach deals at all and I think the NFL
    >made a big mistake entertaining such a deal.  
    
    This doesn't make sense, unless you feel that Parcells should have been
    allowed to simply break his contract without recourse for the Patriots. 
    
     Parcells signed a contract that precluded him from working anywhere
    else in the 97 season. It seems to me that the only people that can
    release him from that contract are the Patriots. That's called
    leverage. The Jets clearly want him, and want him bad. But the Jets are
    conference and division rivals. Kraft knows how talented Parcells is,
    and would quite frankly prefer that Parcells retire or at least not
    coach in a position that will give another team a competitive
    advantage. But that's just the situation. Parcells is going to a rival
    team, and will be in a position to significantly negatively affect the
    Patriots. Kraft would be an idiot not to try to A) get the maximum
    possible compensation prior to releasing Parcells from his obligations
    or B) prevent Parcells from working for any other organization.
    
    >On the next team you might find a real genius at picking players for
    >the draft.  Is there going to be draft picks given up when such a
    >person leaves?
    
     I guess that depends on whether he's still under contract and how
    badly the other team wants him.
    
    >Given this  language and the present situation there might be room for
    >an agreement as to what "comparable position" encompasses but that is
    >about it.
    
     It seems to me that the role of "consultant" he will be taking is
    substantially similar to being the head coach considering the fact that
    he will be the head coach the following year. It seems like a simple
    ploy, and Tagliabue should stop this naked end run around his ruling or
    else he'll be vulnerable to unending challenges to his authority from
    others. I expect that privately Tagliabue will be urging the two sides
    to come to terms.
    
    >BTW - this stuff about "he know's our playbook" looks to me like crap.
    
     I don't think that is the issue. He knows the relative strengths and
    weaknesses of the team more than anyone else in the league. That is
    obviously a significant competitive advantage for him to take to a
    rival club.
    
    
778.1237Tuna will file suit next...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaThu Feb 06 1997 08:515
  Tagliabue has ordered Parcells to cease and desist advising the Jets
 on anything related to football.

  bb
778.1238CSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayThu Feb 06 1997 08:545



  I shoulda listened to my Dad and become a lawyer.
778.1239SMART2::JENNISONAnd baby makes fiveThu Feb 06 1997 08:556
    
    	I listened to my Dad, and look where I ended up!
    
    	The grass is always greener...
    
    
778.1240NHASAD::SHERKI belong! I got circles overme i&#039;sThu Feb 06 1997 09:0147
    
    
    >>     Which they really, really don't want to do.
    
    -	Remember we're talking one year here.  The Jet's are covered for
        next year even without Parcells.
        
    
    He was under contract.  That is a money issue.  Kraft want's
    compensation then it should have been dollars.  
    
>    That would be throwing good money after bad. Parcells well knows that
>    the commissioner is the final arbiter in such matters. In addition,
>    what civil court is going to want to take a case in which a private
>    resolution has been brokered already, particularly when Parcells went
>    to Tagliabue first.
    
     I disagree that the commissioner in the final arbiter in this. 
    Parcells and Kraft/Patriots agreed to use him as an arbiter and both
    sides accepted his resolution.  That resolution is binding.  I know
    of no further agreement between the parties to accept Tag as a
    arbiter beyond this point. Is this something I've missed?  The NFL can 
    take further positions on this but the final arbiter, if called on , will 
    be the court system.
    
    I believe Tag's decision made it clear what the conditions were around
    abrogating the contract.  Once that was done and accepted by Kraft and
    Parcells the old contract is moot.  Parcells is no longer under contract 
    to the Patriots.  He is, however, bound by the arbitration agreement.  
    What is at issue is that I see no way Parcells can be found in violation of
    that agreement unless it can be shown that he is acting as coach for
    the Jets.  Sure that might happen but it hasn't yet.  My point is that
    any further restrictions which are not included in the existing
    agreement which impact Parcells earnings or future earnings are grounds
    for a civil suit.  Tag can penalize the Jets but if that penalty impacts 
    Parcells earning power and the NFL cannot expect to show he violated the 
    arbitration agreement then why shouldn't he sue?  Looks to me like both 
    the NFL and Patriots have botched up contracts/agreements  by leaving big 
    holes in them.  That is their loss.
    
    BTW - I suspect that if Kraft had fired Parcells before all this stuff
    happened, the NE fans would have been really down on him.  
    
    ken
    
    
    
778.1241WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Feb 06 1997 09:2320
    >He was under contract.  That is a money issue.  Kraft want's
    >compensation then it should have been dollars.  
    
     I see you've borrowed the Mark Batti's signature edition of the Ronco
    Spurious Apostrophe inserter. :-)
    
     The contract is not just about money. This is quite plain by any
    reasonable interpretation of the contract. The contract amendment
    plainly stated that in the event that Parcells did not coach the
    Patriots for the 97 season he could not coach for any other team in the
    NFL. Why do you think that amendment was made? For money?
    
    >I believe Tag's decision made it clear what the conditions were around
    >abrogating the contract.  Once that was done and accepted by Kraft and
    >Parcells the old contract is moot.
    
     And the contract has not been abrogated. It has been interpreted, by
    Paul Tagliabue, to preclude Parcells from working for any other NFL
    club. That contract is still in effect. This seems to be something you
    are missing.
778.1242BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Feb 06 1997 09:277
| <<< Note 778.1237 by GAAS::BRAUCHER "Champagne  Supernova" >>>

| Tagliabue has ordered Parcells to cease and desist advising the Jets
| on anything related to football.

	bb.... when did that happen???? This morning the news made it sound
like Parcells will get away with what he is doing.
778.1243SHOGUN::KOWALEWICZAre you from away?Thu Feb 06 1997 11:0116
�  <<< Note 778.1235 by BIGQ::SILVA "http://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/" >>>
�                    -< Including Drew's personal qb coach >-

�	5 other coaches, including the defensive coordinator, have gone to the
�Jets. 


  Nay, I beg to differ. 

  "Yesterday Palmer chose not to stay, opting to take the coordinator's job
   in Jacksonville where he'll work for Tom Coughlin and with quarterback
   Mark Brunell."

                          Boston Herald  Feb 6 1997 pg 94

kb
778.1244DEVMKO::SHERKI belong! I got circles overme i&#039;sThu Feb 06 1997 11:1625
>         And the contract has not been abrogated. It has been interpreted, by
>    Paul Tagliabue, to preclude Parcells from working for any other NFL
>    club. That contract is still in effect. This seems to be something you
>    are missing.
>
    
        The contract was for services with the Patriots as head coach.
    I think we are saying the same thing here except for one nit.  I'm
    not arguing that Parcells is bound by the interpretation of the
    exclusionary clause in the contract as interpreted by Tag.
    
        The statement I recall hearing on the news, however, is not
    the one shown above.  I recognize the fact that I may have missed
    something here.  My recollection was that Parcells was excluded
    from working as "Head coach" for another NFL club without coming
    to an agreement as to compensation with the Patriots.
    
        This is very different from the statement above.
    
        As for this mornings news, I believe that Tag told the
    Jets/Parcells to hold off until he has time to review.  I
    don't believe he's taken a position yet.
    
    ken
    
778.1245WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Feb 06 1997 11:2425
    >My recollection was that Parcells was excluded from working as "Head
    >coach" for another NFL club without coming to an agreement as to
    >compensation with the Patriots.
    
     To be technical, the ruling was that Parcells is obligated to the NE
    Patriots for the 97 season and may not be a coach, GM or other
    comparable position in another organization without the consent of the
    Patriots franchise.
    
    >    As for this mornings news, I believe that Tag told the
    >Jets/Parcells to hold off until he has time to review.  I
    >don't believe he's taken a position yet.
    
     Yes, that's my understanding. Parcells can't be in contact with the
    Jets until after Tagliabue's ruling.
    
     It seems to me that the Jets are guilty of tampering for talking to
    Parcells at all after not being granted permission by the Patriots.
    Without permission there is supposed to be no contact at all between
    the club and the coach. That the Jets hired him in an ostensibly
    non-coaching role for next year with the promise of a head coaching
    position for the following year it would seem that they must have had
    contact with him. This, to me, seems to be tampering, per the NFL's
    definition.
    
778.1246DEVMKO::SHERKI belong! I got circles overme i&#039;sThu Feb 06 1997 12:4511
    
     I'd be curious if Tagliabue had already considered the "tampering"
    issue before he rendered his opinion.  As well, the Jet's didn't
    have to contact Parcells.  The media did it for him.  If they offered
    him a contract, even a verbal request to negotiate one, then that is a 
    different story and I'd be suprised if they were that stupid.  My gut 
    feeling is that if a tampering charge would have stuck, Kraft would have 
    gone for it in the last round.  
    
    ken
    
778.1247two words: Neil O'DonnellSALEM::DODAApparently a true story....Fri Feb 07 1997 09:397
   > I'd be suprised if they were that stupid.

    This is the NY Jets we're talking about. Take a look at their 
    last 6-7 1st rd picks and tell me that "stupid" doesn't come to 
    mind. They are that stupid.

    daryll
778.1248the saga continues...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Feb 07 1997 09:426
  Word today is PT is trying to have a meeting next week with kraft/tuna,
 and avoid court by allowing Jets consulting for two 2nd round picks.
 Stay tuned.

  bb
778.1249SHRCTR::PJOHNSONVaya con huevos.Fri Feb 07 1997 17:394
That might work, unless Kraft smells that 1st rounder. Who might it
be, anyway? An offensive lineman?

Peet
778.1250don't need anymore ofthoseCSLALL::HENDERSONGive the world a smile each dayFri Feb 07 1997 20:244


 Hopefully not too offensive...
778.1251BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri Feb 07 1997 20:573

	I can't remember his name, but he is a real good offensive lineman.
778.1252ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownMon Feb 10 1997 08:543
    
    Tuna scheduled to meet with PT today, Kraft too, to decide on
    compensation. Let's hope they resolve this soap opera soon.
778.1253WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Feb 11 1997 07:20116
    
    Jets get Parcells, Patriots get picks
    
    NEW YORK - National Football League commissioner Paul Tagliabue, acting
    as sole arbiter in a dispute concerning the services of former Patriots
    coach Bill Parcells, ruled yesterday that Parcells can immediately
    become head coach of the New York Jets in exchange for four draft picks
    that will be awarded to New England over the next three years.
    
    The Patriots will receive the Jets' third- and fourth-round picks in
    this April's draft, plus New York's second-round selection in 1998 and
    first-round pick in the 1999 draft. In addition, the Jets must make a
    $300,000 contribution to the Patriots' charitable foundation. 
    
    Last week, Parcells agreed to a deal in which he would become head
    coach of the Jets after a year as a consultant. Patriots owner Robert
    Kraft protested the arrangement, charging that it violated a ruling by
    Tagliabue that prevented Parcells from taking a head coaching or
    comparable position with another team unless the Patriots gave
    permission. 
    
    For such permission, Kraft initially insisted on getting the Jets'
    first-round pick this year, which is the first overall in the college
    draft. 
    
    Yesterday, in a 47th-floor board room of a Third Avenue office building
    that houses the NFL law firm of Skadden Arts, the sides spent hours
    spinning their wheels, with Kraft reiterating his desire for the No. 1
    pick, while Jets owner Leon Hess was willing to give only a pair of
    third-round picks. 
    
    Shortly before 4 p.m., however, there was a breakthrough. The sides
    agreed to binding arbitration, with Tagliabue as the arbiter. 
    
    ``This will be a decision that will make fans of the New England
    Patriots and the New York Jets very happy,'' the commissioner said in
    an announcement in the building's lobby. 
    
    The deal will allow Parcells to begin coaching immediately with a
    six-year deal worth almost $20 million, plus a mutual option for a
    seventh year. 
    
    In a statement released by the Jets, Parcells said, ``The club has
    shown tremendous faith and confidence in me and my staff. I can't wait
    to get to work tomorrow to start rewarding the tremendous confidence
    Leon Hess has placed in me.'' 
    
    Bill Belichick, who had been named the Jets' head coach as part of the
    original deal, will revert to assistant head coach - the position he
    held under Parcells with the Patriots last year - and likely work with
    Al Groh on defense. Belichick has a five-year agreement with the Jets
    and is the heir apparent to Parcells. 
    
    The Patriots will receive the 61st and 91st selections in this year's
    draft. Kraft said there was no discussion of acquiring any current Jets
    players. 
    
    The deal clearly was designed by Tagliabue so as not to cripple the
    Jets' chances of rebuilding - they're coming off a 1-15 season - yet
    the commissioner put stock in the Patriots' contention that Parcells is
    worth a No. 1 pick, which he awarded them in 1999. 
    
    ``I did what I think was fair to both sides,'' said the commissioner.
    ``I looked at a young team with talented players like the Patriots and
    gave them choices that would ensure their future as they begin to lose
    veterans to the salary cap.'' 
    
    Tagliabue also stoked the Jets-Patriots rivalry by announcing that the
    teams would play in a Sunday night game next season. 
    
    Tagliabue said he allowed no discussion of possible tampering, nor did
    he ever rule solely on the merits of the consulting position as a way
    around Tagliabue's previous ruling. The commissioner had phoned both
    sides over the weekend in an unsuccessful attempt to nudge them into an
    agreement. 
    
    ``There were wide differences and both thought it should be resolved
    today,'' said Tagliabue. ``They authorized me to make a decision. Both
    teams had to give a little and neither got exactly what they wanted.'' 
    
    According to Kraft, the sides never spoke face-to-face until yesterday
    and reports that the Jets had offered a pair of second-round were
    erroneous. 
    
    ``Both sides wanted to get this resolved,'' said Kraft. ``After
    negotiating for many hours, it was obvious neither one of us was going
    to budge. I think the commissioner did a terrific job in settling this
    dispute. I think from here on out the Jets and the Patriots can deal
    with things a lot better. There's no animosity between us.'' 
    
    Kraft said he backed off tampering charges against Hess and Jets
    president Steve Gutman because, ``I felt after speaking to Mr. Hess and
    Mr. Gutman face to face that everything they tried to do was above
    board. I just wanted to get this over with, get the possible deal for
    our team and allow Bill to work again. We didn't want to keep him from
    working. 
    
    ``In the end, I think we got a heck of a deal. We're getting four young
    players who will be able to replace some of our aging players in time.
    I didn't want to come out of this with nothing. I thought we deserved
    compensation and the commissioner was fair to both sides. 
    
    ``We were looking for a much bigger settlement, but sometimes your own
    view can be narrow. We had to do what was best for both teams and the
    NFL. When I finally sat with Leon and Steve, the dicussions had a
    different flavor to the ones we'd had over the phone. We had great
    plans with that first pick, but in the end it was important to get a
    deal done.'' 
    
    Tagliabue also had a long chat with Kraft about the fact that even
    though he had lost a terrific coach, he also had hired ``one of the
    best young coaches'' in the game,'' referring to Pete Carroll. 
    
    Hess, 82, who makes few public appearances, said, ``We're very happy
    and the commissioner did a hell of a job. Parcells will be on our
    payroll tomorrow.'' 
778.1254WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Feb 11 1997 08:052
Bill must be very, very happy (although no one will ever be
able to tell) for getting his way.
778.1255WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Feb 11 1997 08:122
    I think everybody got something, but nobody got everything they wanted.
    Tagliabue's deal brokering was very well done, IMO. 
778.1256ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownTue Feb 11 1997 08:242
    
    I concur. Everyone got something.
778.1257POMPY::LESLIEAndy Leslie, DEC man walking...Tue Feb 11 1997 08:281
    But the Jets still won't win much in 97/8.
778.1258BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Feb 11 1997 09:083

	But chances are they won't lose as bad. :-)
778.1259SSDEVO::RALSTONT minus 3 days and countingTue Feb 11 1997 10:143
    >But the Jets still won't win much in 97/8.
    
    But, either will the Pats.
778.1260BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Feb 11 1997 12:163

	Milady.... should that be neither??? I'm trying to learn here! :-)
778.1261PENUTS::DDESMAISONSperson BTue Feb 11 1997 12:215
  .1260  yes, but i wouldn't want to give Tommy an aneurysm 
	 correcting him, so let's keep it between us.


778.1262BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue Feb 11 1997 12:253

	Then I AM learning.... phew... looks like you're rubbing off on me. :-)
778.1263SSDEVO::RALSTONT minus 3 days and countingTue Feb 11 1997 20:464
    >yes, but i wouldn't want to give Tommy an aneurysm
    >correcting him, so let's keep it between us.
    
    Suddenly I got a headache, then I discovered this reply. Weird Huh?  :)
778.1264it's unamerican, i tell ya...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaWed Feb 12 1997 08:094
  What, nobody is suing ?

  bb
778.1265ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Feb 13 1997 09:093
    
    well the Parcells/Kraft situation has been resolved. Parcells gets
    to coach immediately, and the Patriots get 4 draft choices.
778.1266They need to put more riders on that Pony Express :-)TLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxThu Feb 13 1997 09:3411
    Yeah... it's better than nothing, and it's not too bad I guess, but
    given the contract (which should have been more precisely worded,
    to be sure; I suspect that future ones will be), I still think that
    the Jets got the better deal.
    
    Kraft made some tactical errors by saying what he wanted (and would
    accept) wayyy too early.  Kind of like walking into a car dealer and
    immediately announcing to everyone in the showroom how much you want
    to pay for a car.
    
    Chris
778.1267SALEM::DODASomeday, someway....Thu Feb 13 1997 09:446
I think Kraft picked the Hess' pocket on this deal. The Pats get 
two great picks this year to strengthen the OL, a great pick next 
year and a #1 in 1999 which could very well be a middle rd pick 
at worst. A great deal.

daryll
778.1268a day late and a dollar shortWAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu Feb 13 1997 10:174
    >well the Parcells/Kraft situation has been resolved. Parcells gets
    >to coach immediately, and the Patriots get 4 draft choices.
    
     Thanks, Scoop! (er, what about .1253?)
778.1269ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Feb 13 1997 10:182
    
    <--- I realized that after the fact. i am so embarassed.
778.1270WECARE::GRIFFINJohn Griffin zko1-3/b31 381-1159Thu Feb 13 1997 10:203
    The important question in all of this is this: who'll be doing ads for
    Lechmere next year?
    
778.1271The Will Decker of the NFLTLE::RALTONow featuring Synchro-VoxThu Feb 13 1997 10:243
    Bill Belichick?  :-)  (sp?)
    
    Chris
778.1272ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownWed Feb 19 1997 11:582
    
    Bears finally sign Rick Mirer as their starting QB.
778.1273BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed Feb 19 1997 12:123

	Take it to topic 12, please.
778.1274ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Feb 20 1997 12:433
    
    can't wait to Mirer in training camp this summer. Hopefully the
    Bears will finish over .500 this year. 
778.1275yeesh, he wasn't worth a #1 pick the first timeSALEM::DODASomething so strong...Thu Feb 20 1997 12:551
You mean despite having him at QB?
778.1276ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownThu Feb 20 1997 13:042
    
    he will do good, mark my words.
778.1277he's a stiffSALEM::DODASomething so strong...Thu Feb 20 1997 13:113
I predict by wk7 you'll be marking them, as my dog would.

daryll
778.1278BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Feb 20 1997 18:264


	I wonder if he would have been better if he was under Parcells?
778.1279BUSY::SLABDo ya wanna bump and grind with me?Thu Feb 20 1997 18:373
    
    	Filthy!!
    
778.1280BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu Feb 20 1997 18:373

	:-)
778.1281POLAR::RICHARDSONPatented Problem GeneratorThu Feb 20 1997 19:171
        unnatural!
778.1282SMURF::WALTERSFri Feb 21 1997 08:241
    Where's my spuerbowl....
778.1283capitalism...GAAS::BRAUCHERChampagne SupernovaFri Feb 21 1997 08:255
  super mvp return guy D. Howard is in Fxbro today trolling for Kraft
 millions...unrestricted free agent...says he's "interested in the Patriots"

  bb
778.1284SALEM::DODASomething so strong...Fri Feb 21 1997 08:341
Please no.
778.1285ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Feb 21 1997 08:532
    
    <---- you have a better return guy in NE? 
778.1286SALEM::DODASomething so strong...Fri Feb 21 1997 09:298
You think paying a guy millions because he had a good game in the 
SB is good business?

Does the name Larry Brown mean anything to you?

Ask the Raiders if they're happy with that investment.

daryll
778.1287ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Feb 21 1997 10:014
    
    oh, and another thing, he also plays wide receiver. it's a fact of life
    that players are going to cost you more and more, even the mariginal
    ones.
778.1288SALEM::DODASomething so strong...Fri Feb 21 1997 10:3217
Uh, right. He's listed as a wide-out as well. Have you seen his 
stats NFL stats at WR? Ask the Redskins. He sucks. That's why 
they cut him pre-season. Even GB wouldn't start him there when 
they lost 3 of their starters last season. They resigned players 
that had cut in camp rather than start Howard. A ringing 
endorsement.

The guy couldn't run a decent pass route if it was painted on 
the field for him.

You're not making the case that he's somehow moved from 
ultimate stiff at WR to an actual contributor based on one game 
where he never lined up at that position?

Thanks, I hope we pass.

daryll
778.1289ACISS1::BATTISChicago - My Kind of TownFri Feb 21 1997 10:344
    
    << Thanks, I hope we pass.
    
    That is why he's there in the first place.
778.1290SALEM::DODASomething so strong...Fri Feb 21 1997 10:376
Oh, and Larry Brown was the Cowboy who picked off two passes that 
Neil O'Donnell had the misfortune of throwing right at him in the 
SB. Last year the Raiders sign him to a couple million more than 
what he's worth only to find out that he's just not that good.

daryll
778.1291small nitNCMAIL::JAMESSTue Feb 25 1997 15:514
    The Redskins did not cut Howard. He was taken in the expansion draft by
    Jacksonville. 
    
                                Steve J.
778.1292WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjWed Feb 26 1997 07:262
    In other words, the Redskins didn't see enough value in him to protect
    him.
778.1293SALEM::DODARunning on faithWed Feb 26 1997 09:005
So Jacksonville released him?

Oh, that's an improvement.

daryll
778.1294ACISS1::BATTISCarnations,not just for Easter anymoreWed Mar 05 1997 09:252
    
    Desmond Howard signs with the Raiders.
778.1295ACISS1::BATTISFerzie fanTue Apr 15 1997 12:472
    
    Draft is this Sunday. who will be number #1?
778.1296BUSY::SLABAudiophiles do it &#039;til it hertz!Tue Apr 15 1997 12:574
    
    	Not sure, but no matter who Chicago gets they'll still play like
    	#2.
    
778.1297old i know, but deserving of comment.SALEM::DODADon&#039;t make me come down there...Tue Apr 15 1997 14:031
Steve Bono <snicker>
778.1298ACISS1::BATTISFerzie fanTue Apr 15 1997 16:282
    
    shawn, that was cold and cruel. you're taking after di, i see.
778.1299ACISS1::BATTISFerzie fanTue Apr 22 1997 09:323
    
    Bears drafted Darnell Autry from Northwestern. Danny Wurfel went to
    New Orleans in the 4th round. In my opinion, a steal.