Conference back40::soapbox

    
    Who replaced John Travolta on `Welcome Back Kotter'?
    
    Actor's name:
    
    Character's name:
    

    isn't there a whole NOTE devoted to this?
    
    Chip

    
    I dare say there are entire NOTES devoted to many of 
    the topics that pop up in here.
    

    What famous musician's mother invented Liquid Paper?

    
    
    
    Who invented peanuts?
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    Mike Nesmith, of The Monkees.
    

    
    Who invented Liquid Soap, and why?
    

    
    re: .7 ....must have been a mom.  It's more fun to wash your
    kid's mouths out with that when they swear.  :*)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Just kidding....REALLY!
    
    :*)
    Terrie
    

    What was the very first TV game show?  Bonus points for the
    year that it started...
    
    Chris

    
    Who was the first NFL running back to gain 1000+ yards five seasons in
    a row?
    
    Paul
    
    

  Jimmy Brown?

  George

 Roger Maris?

 Joe Green?

    #1 Jim Brown
    #2 OJ?

    Who was the lightest president of the United States?
    
    Who was the heaviest?
    
    -Jack

    
    Where do we put trivial answers ?
    
      bb

Heaviest was Taft.

    Correct.  Who was the lightest?
    
    Clue: He is considered one of the American forefathers.
    
    Another question...there were ten presidents who were Generals.  Can
    you name them?  
    
    -Jack

What was the first name of the Washington Redskins? and when were they called
that? and for how long?  :-}

Amos

    Lightest?  Probably John Adams.  As I recall, Washington and Jefferson
    were six-footers, but Adams was kinda small.  Or maybe it's Madison I'm
    thinking of.

    If co-presidents count, don't forget HRC.
    
    

>    If co-presidents count, don't forget HRC.
    
That's a lightweight reply.

    Clinton was one of the generals, right?

    Not all First Ladies are co-presidents.
    
    Q: was Taft heavier than the combined weight of Bill + Hillary?

    I thought HArding would have come in as the heavy weight. I don`t think
    there has been 10 generals who have become president. The only ones I
    can think of are Washington, Grant, Eisenhower (sp).

>    Not all First Ladies are co-presidents.

Right.  Bill and Hillary are co-presidents.  Nancy was president.

>    I thought HArding would have come in as the heavy weight.

Clearly you've never seen a full-length photo of Taft.

    You are correct...I haven`t seen a full lenght picture of Taft.
    Pictures can be deceiving. I know I look much less in a photo than I
    really am.

    
    re, .25 - Washington,Grant,Eisenhower are correct.
    
     So at least would be Andrew Jackson, William Henry Harrison,
    Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce.  If Teddy Roosevelt made Brigadier,
    I'm unaware of it - I though he was a colonel.
    
      bb

    Wait! Hillary was a Marine, right?  Maybe SHE was a general!  Does it
    count if you only THINK you're a general?  Maybe it counts if you THINK
    you're a general, but only if you also THINK you're a president?

	I still want the answer from .1!!!!!!

    Did he play a deejay on "WPRK in Cinn(?)"
    
    Dan

    I thought Andrew JAckson was a Colonel as well, and I didn`t know
    Taylor or Harrison were in the Military at all. Goes to show you, ya
    learn something new every day.
    
    Can anyone name all of the people that were promoted to six star
    Generals?

    Name two NFL teams that are named for regions and not cities.  

>>    Name two NFL teams that are named for regions and not cities.  

	oh i know one!  i know one! ;>

Di, are you thinking of the Foxborough Patriots?

    Don't be bashful, don't be shy, blurt it out, give it a try.

    New England Pats
    
    Tampa Bay Bucs

    <---- 1 for 2 

    The lightest president was James Madison at 5'2" weighing in at 110
    lbs.
    
    -Jack

    
    
    And what about .2 and .3??
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

	What about em???

    
    
    ANSWERS!  I want answers!
    
    
    
    :*)
    kiss-kiss
    

    
    I think Tampa Bay is correct but how about NE Pats and Arizona
    Cardinals.
    
    ed

    
    Minnesota Vikings ?  bb
    

    Minisoda is wrong, Tampa is wrong.  New England is correct.  The other 
    one is.......?  
    
    Brian

Minnesota's a city?  Tampa Bay's a city?

    No, they're not.

    
    
    	Then why aren't they the correct answer?
    
    ed

    Minnesota is a state, not a region.  Tampa Bay is a geological feature. 
    New England is a region.  This was the mishigas question on WBCN the
    other day (yesterday?).  There is a correct answer.   
    
    

LBJ was a General PITA.

    Er, um, sorry bout that, it is the two teams named after a region. 
    Scratch the other qualifiers.  

    New England Patriots (no brainer)
    Carolina Panthers (N&S, don't you know)
    
    								-mr. bill

    Green Bay?

    mr. Bill is correct.  

    Carolina is new, isn't this up coming season their first?

    No wonder I didn't get it.

    
    
    Ok, now that that question is out of the way...
    
    Who invented peanuts?  He also invented peanut butter.
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

>>Di, are you thinking of the Foxborough Patriots?

	I was obviously thinking of NE, my dear, but I must confess
	to you, because I cannot tell a lie, that I was thinking the other
	one was probably Tampa Bay, so I must give myself an "F" overall,
	since NE was a no-brainer.

    George Planter and his son Skippy invented peanut butter.

    
    
    WRONG!!
    
    It was someone famous...
    

    George Planter is famous and so is Skippy.  

    
    George Washington Carver         ;^)
    

    
    
    I don't care, it's still the wrong answer.  :*)
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    
    
    OOPS!  .62 is RIGHT!!!  very good young man. :*)
    

    George Washington Carver invented peanut butter.

    
    
    No, Really?!?!?!
    
    
    :*)
    

    Did he have a son named Skippy or maybe even Jif?

    
    
    Nope, I don't think so....
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    snarf
    

    God invented the peanut?

    
    
    Ok...next question...What religion was Pres. James Monroe?
    
    
    Terrie
    

    Someone invented peanuts?  Isn't that kinda like someone
    inventing apples?
    
    Chris

| <<< Note 344.56 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "bouncy bouncy" >>>

| Carolina is new, isn't this up coming season their first?
| No wonder I didn't get it.

	If that's why you didn't "get it" Mr. Richardson, then me thinks your
life needs a boost. :-)

    
    
    Nope.  Peanuts are not natural.  They were organically 'created'.
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

 Goober? ;-)



 George Washington Carver?

    I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.

	Didn't some guy named Shultz invent Peanuts?

    
    
    (In my best Gilda Radner voice)....."Never mind..."
    
    
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    Follow me!  That's good, that's good, eh?  A nod's as good as a wink
    to a blind bat, eh?
    

    Look are you selling something?

    
    
    
       Peanut butter is loaded with fat,......I love it on wheat toast>
    
    
       Ed

    
    
    
    
         What movie was determined by the Motion Picture Academy as being
         the best movie of the 20th century?
    
    
         Ed
    

    When did the 20th century end???

    
    
    
    The Lion King
    
    
    
    
    :*)
    Terrie
    

    
    December 31, 2000.

    
    
    
          In what state is the origin of the Mississippi River?
    
    
          Ed

    What movie was determined as being the best movie of the 19th century?
    

    
    Mississippi
    

RE    <<< Note 344.85 by WECARE::GRIFFIN "John Griffin ZKO1-3/B31 381-1159" >>>

>    December 31, 2000.

  What do you bet everyone celebrates the end of the century on Dec 31, 1999?

  George

    Minnesota.
    
    what's the prize?

 re .86


 Minnesota

    
    
        re.83----I mean up to last year.
    
    
        ......not The Lion King.
    
        Ed

    21st century starts January 1, 2001.

    
    .82:
    
    `Citizen Kane'?   `Birth Of A Nation'?   `Star Wars'?
    

    year snarf
    

    .89
    
    if they do, they'll have to do it all again 12/31/2000.

    President Monroe was a Unitarian...right?

    
    
    
           What was the first t.v. series that featured Clint Eastwood?
    
           .....and what was his name in the series?
    
    
           Minnesota is correct,.....the prize is that you remain on
           the "salary continuation plan" at Digital :-).
    
    
    
           Ed
    

    Rawhide no clue what the character name was

    trivial SNARF
    

    
    
    RE: Monroe being Unitartian....Wrong...sorry.  Try again.
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

  Answer to the movie question: Wings?




    
    
   
>        What was the first t.v. series that featured Clint Eastwood?


   Rawhide

    
          > .....and what was his name in the series?
    


     Rowdie Yates.
    
               

	if it was "Rawhide", then it was Rowdy Yates.
	
	ouch.  the most devastating guy on the planet at that time.

	oops, sorry jimbo.

    
    
    
          Rowdie Yates!!!! unbelievable!!!!!
    
    
          I don't have a clue on how The Motion Picture Academy
          determines what's best,...anyway the movie that was
          voted best was....."Citizen Kane".
    
    
    
          Ed

 no prob, di ;-)

    .74
    
    > Peanuts are not natural.  They were organically 'created'.
    
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
    
    The word "peanut" can be traced at least to 1807, which was 57 years
    before George Washington Carver was born.  Peanuts were widely known
    (as "goobers," a word of African origin) in the American South before
    the American Civil war; they were generally considered fodder for
    animals and slaves.  Peanuts are known scientifically as Arachis
    hypogaea; the specific name indicates the subterranean nature of their
    seedbearing habits.

    
    
    RE: .107
    
    
    Not in their current form.  I learned all this from my son.
    He did a whole thing about it for school.
    
    
    Terrie
    

    
    Here's a good question:
    
    How much stuff does Dick Binder know?
    
    :^)
    

    
    
    
    RE: .108
    
    
    Oh, and he got an 'A++' on the report.
    
    
    
    Terrie
    :*)
    

    re: .109
    
    All of it.

    
    
    RE: .109 and .111
    
    
    ....and then some.
    

    .108
    
    Well, if you want to play the "not in their current form" game,
    howzabout we consider Hereford cattle, Pekingese dogs, Siamese cats,
    Delicious apples, and severl thousand other created species or breeds
    thereof?  Genetic manipulation has been going on for thousands of
    years.

    
    
    RE: .113  S'okay by me.  Different is different.
    
    Peanuts, in the form in which we know and love them today, were created
    by George Washington Carver.
    
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    I only like naturally selected peanuts.

    	So you're talking specifically about Virginia Peanuts.
    
    	(as opposed to Spanish Peanuts, for instance.)

    charles shultz invented peanuts.....snoopy dogs too

    re .1
    the character's name was Beau...don't know his real name though...

    from the tv series "columbo", what was lt. columbo's first name?
    
    

    
    Lieutenant 8^).

    And here are the trivia questions for people living outside the US:
    
    (1) Soccer
        
        * Who was the first German international to play in the English 
          league ?
        * Who was the first French international to play in the German
    	  league ?
    	* Which record did Peter Shilton recently lose ?
    
    	* Which teams have won the EC 1 three times or more ?
    
    (2) Geography 
    
       * Name the highest mountain between the Ural and the Atlantic 
    
       * Name the capital of PNG
    
       * Name the second highest mountain in the world. Altitude (metric) ?
     
       * The Vikings founded 3 kingdoms outside of Scandinavia. Where ?
    
    (3) History
    
      * Who was the first Roman Consul to be declared Dictator ? 
    
      * When did Rome become a republic ?
    
      * Which is the oldest city in the world still being inhabited ?
    
    
    
    
    Heiko

    Capital of Papua New Guinea = Port Moresby
    2nd highest mountain = Mt Godwin-Austen (or is it Austin ?) but I have
    no idea how high it is
    

    Correct. (My memory says 8611m.)

 Columbo's first name was Frank.






 Jim

    -1 What a coincidence! So was Drebin's!!! :-)

    I heard a yaffle this morning. What is it ?
    
    

| <<< Note 344.109 by TROOA::COLLINS "The Forest City Madman" >>>



| How much stuff does Dick Binder know?


	Joan, wouldn't it be easier to ask how much stuff DOESN'T he know?

| <<< Note 344.119 by DELNI::SHOOK "Fowl Play Suspected in Hen House Death" >>>

| from the tv series "columbo", what was lt. columbo's first name?

	Peanuts?  he did not have one... just like quincy.

| <<< Note 344.124 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Friend will you be ready?" >>>



| Columbo's first name was Frank.


	Jim, I remember him saying that they never gave him one...

 I believe in one of the episodes in which his "wife" appeared (or perhaps
 it was in her own series) she used his first name.  I could be wrong, of
 course.




Jim

    
    I coulda sworn Quincy had a first name.

	Nope....

    Hey, wait a minute! Wasn't Quincy's first name Jones? :-) :-)
    
    -b

	Jones Quincy.... now what is supposed to be funny about that? :-)

    >> from the tv series "columbo", what was lt. columbo's first name?
    
    Cosmo?
    

    >> What was the very first TV game show?  Bonus points for the
    >> year that it started...
    
    No takers for this one, so here's the answer:
    
    
    
    "Missus Goes A-Shopping", summer 1944.  Yes, 1944, on CBS.  If you
    were one of the few hundred or so in NYC who had a TV that year,
    you could witness such amazing stunts as a woman trying to rid
    herself of a quarter balanced on her nose without moving her head,
    or a large burly truck driver trying to squeeze into a lady's
    girdle.
    
    Such visual antics drove one critic to exclaim (approx. quote),
    "This removes all remaining doubts about the medium.  Television
    IS the FUTURE!!"
    
    Okay, well, no one bit on that one.  How about the first successful
    regularly-scheduled network show of any kind?  Possible hint: it ran
    for about fifteen years.
    
    Chris

      re: .10
    
      I've only read up to about 15, so I may be repeating someone...
    
      Jim Taylor/Green Bay Packers/#31.

     re: .57
    
     George Washington Carver, unless it was God that invented the
     peanuts and Carver discovered them!!  ;-)

      re: .82
    
      Two guesses
    
      Citizen Kane
    
      The Battleship Potemkin

   Who was the 119th person to fly across the Atlantic Ocean?

Was President Monroe Agnostic?

bill powers

                           no, he was an Antagonist

    
    
    Nope....try again....
    

    Terri:
    
    I think I mentioned this and can't remember if you answered.  Was he a
    Unitarian Universalist?
    
    -Jack

    
    
    No Jack, he was not.
    
    
    Sorry....try again....
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

The Unitarians and Universalists merged in the 1960's or 1970's.

Was he a Deist?

    A Free Mason?

| <<< Note 344.148 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "I don't want to go on the cart" >>>

| A Free Mason?


	If anyone knows of any, my dad needs some work done on the foundation
and doesn't have a lot of $$$ to spare...

    The Honey-mooners
    
    joan

    
    
    RE: All the answers to Pres. James Monroe's religion
    are incorrect so far...keep trying folks.  :*)
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

James Monroe died on the 4th of July.

    I know he wasn't Jewish of Catholic.  Was he a quaker?

    WRONGO!!!!  Jefferson and Adams both died on the 4th of July on the
    same year.  Adams died in the AM and Jefferson was so distraught over
    the death, he also died!
    
    -Jack

To whom are you replying, Jack?

    were they that close?
    
    Chip

    Sounds like they may have been lovers.

    
    
    Actually, James Monroe DID die on the fourth of July. 1831, 
    in New York City, at the age of 73.
    
    
    But that doesn't tell us what religion he was.....
    
    
    Keep trying...
    
    
    Terie
    

    Jack:
    
    Gosh...I figured the chances of 3 presidents dying on the 4th were very
    obscure.  Guess I'm wrongo!!  You were righto!
    
    -Jack

What town is the following lyric praising:

Abilene, Abilene, prettiest town I've ever seen...

    
    
    Abilene?
    
    
    :*)
    

    Re: .154
    
    >Adams died in the AM and Jefferson was so distraught over the death,
    >he also died!
    
    How'd he hear about it?  No phones, and express mail service wasn't up
    to our modern standards.

    >> The Honey-mooners
    
    If that's in response to my question about the first successful
    regularly-scheduled network TV series, well, it's a pretty good
    guess (assuming you were referring to his original variety series
    that frequently presented "The Honeymooners" as a regular sketch),
    but it's not the correct answer...
    
    Chris

    My guess re:  the religion of James Monroe -- Mormon?  Or, he may have
    been atheist.
    

    Chelsea:
    
    Read it in a book of American Presidents.  Not sure who the author was.
    
    -Jack

>    My guess re:  the religion of James Monroe -- Mormon?

Impossible.  He died before Mormonism existed.

        <<< Note 344.159 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" >>>

>    Gosh...I figured the chances of 3 presidents dying on the 4th were very
>    obscure.  Guess I'm wrongo!!  You were righto!
    
You're definitely on your game of late, Jack. :')

    He was a member of Dionne Warwick's psychic friends network?

    Presbyterian is my guess, Monroe having a certain Scots flavor to it.

According to Information Please, he was Episcopalian.  BTW, I was wrong about
him dying before Mormonism existed.  Mormonism began in 1830.  Monroe died in
1831.

Speaking of Monroe, in what movie did Marilyn Monroe debut?

    
    
    Very Good Mr. Sacks.  He was Episcopalian.  Too bad you
    needed to look it up to find out though.... :*)
    
    
    Terrie
    

Of course, Episcopalian would have been a good guess for any president.
There sure were a lot of them.  Does that bode well for Mr. Covert's
presidential ambitions?

    According to Information Please, Lincoln's religious affiliation
    was Liberal. I wonder what that means. 
    
    Disciples of Christ claims several other presidents, including LBJ and 
    Ronald Reagan. What sect is this?

    
    
    According to my information, Lincoln had no formal affiliation
    to any one religion.
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

| <<< Note 344.173 by NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085" >>>


| Does that bode well for Mr. Covert's presidential ambitions?


	Depends on if they find him guilty or not guilty... :-)

| <<< Note 344.175 by NETCAD::WOODFORD "Practicing Passive Agression" >>>



| According to my information, Lincoln had no formal affiliation to any one 
| religion.

	Well, Lincoln was a laid back kind of guy.... especially one day when
he went to the theater....

 -1   ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....
    
      Chip

RE:   <<< Note 344.174 by WECARE::GRIFFIN "John Griffin ZKO1-3/B31 381-1159" >>>

       
   > Disciples of Christ claims several other presidents, including LBJ and 
   > Ronald Reagan. What sect is this?


    Desciples of Christ, I believe, are essentially Bible believing/preaching
    Christians who believe that salvation is a combination of faith and works,
    ie, baptism along with faith in Jesus Christ is essential.  Many of them are
    non instrumental, with all of their singing being done acappella.



 Jim

    .136
    
    I've got a secret or
    The Jack Benny Show
    
    joan

    Not that I think you care:
    
    
� Who was the first German international to play in the English league ?
� Who was the first French international to play in the German league ?
� Which record did Peter Shilton recently lose ?
� Which teams have won the EC 1 three times or more ?
   
    J�rgen Klinsmann
    Didier Six
    most caps  
    Bayern and Real I'm sure of. Benfica and AC are good bets, too.
    
� Name the highest mountain between the Ural and the Atlantic 
� Name the capital of PNG
� Name the second highest mountain in the world. Altitude (metric) ?
� The Vikings founded 3 kingdoms outside of Scandinavia. Where ?
    
    Erebus
    Port Morseby
    Mt.Godwin Austen aka K2 8611m
    Kiev (later to become Russia), Normandy, Sicily
    
� Who was the first Roman Consul to be declared Dictator ? 
� When did Rome become a republic ?    
� Which is the oldest city in the world still being inhabited ?
  
    Marius when fighting the Cimbri and Teutonii
    511 BC
    Jericho  
    
    
    NNTTM

    re .126
    A yaffle is a green woodpecker (sounds like some sort of 'orrible
    social disease :-))
    so called because of its loud ringing laughlike cry
    
    now you can finish that elusive crossword !

    Re:  .171 -- I believe that Marilyn Monroe made her movie debut with a
    very small part in "All About Eve."  

 What was the answer to the question about Abilene?





Jim

    Marilyn - Some Like it Hot?

No where close to her debut.

Q:  Who was the most highly decorated U.S. serviceman during WWII?

Marilyn Monroe's film debut was in "Scudda-Hoo, Scudda-Hay."

    
    Audie Murphy?

1.) Name the top two U.S. aces of WWII and the aircraft they flew?
    
    
2.) What were the official scores of those two top aces?
    
    
3.) How did those two top U.S. aces die?


4.) Who was the U.S. Navys top ace of WWII and what aircraft did he fly?

    
5.) What U.S. fighter plane had the highest kill to loss ratio and had the most
    aerial victories?

6.) How many japanese carriers were lost at the battle of Midway and what were
    their names?


7.) What type U.S. Navy dive bomber sank the 4 japanese carriers during the
    battle of Midway?



8.) Who were the commanders of the USN & IJN carrier groups during the battle
    of Midway?



9.) What U.S. carrier launched the "Doolittle" raid on Tokyo?



10.) What was the only USN carrier sunk by japanese naval gunfire and in what
     battle did this occur?

        

    Excellent Mz. Debra!!!!
    
    -Meaty

    You ARE a woman of great intellect and stature!

She's the 50-foot woman?

    
    And not only that, I'm clever and tall!

    Thanks tall buddy?

    .190
    
     .5 P51 Mustang?
    
     .9 Hornet
    
     Last one...Lexington (Coral Sea)?

    Q:  What was the music played by Cornwallis' troops during the
    surrender to Washington at Yorktown?

Yankee doodle?

I Surrender Dear?

              <<< Note 344.198 by SMURF::BINDER "vitam gustare" >>>

>    Q:  What was the music played by Cornwallis' troops during the
>    surrender to Washington at Yorktown?

	The World Turned Upside Down.

Jim

    .201
    
    Give the man a see-gar!
    
    Now then, Jim, what was the tune's original title?

 I think I'm turning Japanese?

	coincidentally - did anyone else catch the biography
	special on Clint?  there he was - Rowdy Yates in all his
	glory.  ha-cha.

    Chip:
    
    Correct on 9.  5 was the Grumman F6F Hellcat.  The last was the
    USS Gambier Bay sunk during the battle of Samar.
    
    -Jack

    >> I've got a secret or
    >> The Jack Benny Show
    
    No, but good try (esp. on the latter).  Go back, back, way way back,
    and then go back some more (in time, that is).  Let me know when you
    want the answer, which will probably be anti-climactic. :-)
    
    Chris

| <<< Note 344.203 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Friend will you be ready?" >>>


| I think I'm turning Japanese?


	The song about masturbation.

    >	The song about masturbation.
    
    I really think so...
    
    -b

    RE: .190
    
    6. 4 the Hiryu, Akagi, Soryu and .....
    
    8. Nimitz for the U.S. Yamamoto for Japan
    

           <<< Note 344.209 by CONSLT::MCBRIDE "aspiring peasant" >>>

    6. 4 the Hiryu, Akagi, Soryu and .....
    
        Kaga

  George

        <<< Note 344.190 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" >>>


>7.) What type U.S. Navy dive bomber sank the 4 japanese carriers during the
>    battle of Midway?

      Either the F-4F or the F-6F I think.

>8.) Who were the commanders of the USN & IJN carrier groups during the battle
>    of Midway?


  Well the Commander and Chief of Naval Operations in Washington was Adm King.
Nimitz was the Commander of the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor and two admirals
Fletcher and Sprunce (sp?) commanded the two U.S. task forces.

>9.) What U.S. carrier launched the "Doolittle" raid on Tokyo?

  The U.S.S. Hornet CV-8. The Enterprise CV-6. was providing cover.

  George

    Very good George.  For number 8 I was looking for Admiral Nagumo and
    Raymond Spraunce.
    
    -Jack

 So what's the answer to the question about Abilene?

Abilene, Kansas.

 Phew...that's what I thought..pretty little town, drove through there
 this summer.




 Jim

    .211, .212
    
    The Grumman F4F Wildcat and F6F Hellcat were not dive bombers, and the
    F6F didn't enter action until 1943 or 1944.  The dive bombers that did
    the Japanese carriers in at Midway were Douglas SBD Dauntlesses.

    Urban was his name. From N.J. and died within the few weeks. I think he
    was a Lt. Col. I always thought it was Audie Murphy. I think I still
    have the obit around the house some where.

    .206
    
    How about, The Tonight Show or Your Show Of Shows, or Ed Sullivan.
    
    joan

Was Show of Shows the Sid Ceasar thing?

RE:        <<< Note 344.219 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>

>Was Show of Shows the Sid Ceasar thing?



  Ayuh along with Imogene Coca

    re; most decorated GI was A. Murphy.
    
    Chip

    Correct.  Audie Murphy WAS the most decorated.  Don't believe bogus
    tabloid stories.
    
    Audie Murphy received not only this countries highest honors,
    the congressional medal of honor, silver star, purple heart, but also 
    received frances highest award for valor. It's a matter of fact in the
    US Armies official history of WWII not some bogus newspaper article.
    
    -Jack

RE        <<< Note 344.212 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" >>>

>    Very good George.  For number 8 I was looking for Admiral Nagumo and
>    Raymond Spraunce.
    
  I believe that one of the reasons no one really became a major hero for
commanding the U.S. fleet at the battle of Midway was due to changes of command
that occurred both before and during the battle. 

  In the month or so before the battle, Fletcher returned from Coral Sea where
he had lost the Lexington (CV-2) and gotten the Yorktown (CV-5) beaten up
pretty badly while still dishing out some blows of his own. Halsey meanwhile
returned from the Doolittle Raid with the Enterprise (CV-6) and Hornet (CV-8). 

  The Yorktown was repaired in record time and the plan was that Halsey would
lead the fleet in the defense of Midway from the Enterprise with Fletcher
following on the Yorktown. But days before he was due to leave, Halsey got sick
and Rear Admiral Spraunce, who normally commanded Halsey's cruiser squadron, had
to take over Halsey's task force. 

  Since Fletcher was now senior, he was officially in charge. Since the Yorktown
was delayed, Spraunce left 1st with the Enterprise and Hornet with a plan to
rendevous with Fletcher later. 

  The battle started before they hooked up and planes from both task forces hit
the Imperial fleet at the same time even though they had not coordinated their
assault sinking 3 of the 4 Japanese carriers. Later the 4th carrier launched a
counter attack that hit the Yorktown forcing Fletcher and the Yorktown's crew
to abandon ship. The Yorktown was sunk the next day by a submarine. 

  Fletcher retired to a cruiser and while technically still in command of the
fleet sent a message to Spraunce, who still had two carriers, saying something
like "I will follow your lead". Spraunce was now informally in command of the
fleet. 

  Spraunce then went on to hunt down the last carrier and after it was sunk the
Japanese invasion force retreated but it's not clear he was ever officially
in command of the fleet.

  George

    >> How about, The Tonight Show or Your Show Of Shows, or Ed Sullivan.
    
    Nope, but...
    
    (hint warning)
    
    
    
    You're getting into the right decade at least, i.e., the 1940's,
    with a couple of those guesses.
    
    (another hint warning)
    
    
    
    Think of what kind of program was very popular in the very
    earliest days of television.  This particular program stayed
    on the air for 15 years (although I never watched it myself,
    probably because it was on so late and I was a kid, among other
    reasons).
    
    I feel bad stringing this out for so long, because the answer
    probably isn't "worth it". :-)
    
    Chris

Test pattern.

 $64000 question?

    
    What has the U.N. designated this day (March 23rd) to be?
    

    re: Test pattern
    
    Bwah-hah-hah... as a three-year-old I used to have nightmares
    about falling into the "hole" in the middle of the test pattern.
    
    re: $64,000 Question
    
    Nope... very popular, but came later.
    
    Chris

    >> What has the U.N. designated this day (March 23rd) to be?
    
    Surrender Your Sovereignty Day?
    
    Chris

    Meteorological day?

 United Nations is your Friend day?

    
    .230:
    
    Correct!  Glenn wins the Golden Noogie!!
    
    :^)
    

Charades?

    It's German beer day over here. Really.

    True, But Spruance got the line share of the credit for the victory and
    along with Halsey went on to be task force commanders of the Pacific fleet
    while  Fletcher was relieved of combat command there after.
    
    The 4th Jap carrier to be sunk in the battle (Hiryu) was the carrier that
    disabled the Yorktown and enabled the jap sub I-68 to deliver the coup
    de grace to the Yorktown and its escorting destroyer with a single torpedo
    which was along side the carrier lending assistance with a single torpedo. 
    The Hiryu was sunk by SBD's from the Yorktown & Enterprise.
    
    It was tactical decisions made by Admiral Spruance based on sound
    advice from officers such as captain Brownington that lead to an american
    victory at Midway.
    
    US Naval Intelligences ability to decipher japanese code did not hurt
    either, which gave the US Navy advanced warning of where & when the
    japanese would strike.
    
    
    -Jack

RE        <<< Note 344.235 by MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!" >>>

>    True, But Spruance got the line share of the credit for the victory and
>    along with Halsey went on to be task force commanders of the Pacific fleet
>    while  Fletcher was relieved of combat command there after.
    
  Actually Halsey and Spruance went a lot further than being Task Force
commanders. I believe they both became 5 star Admirals of the fleet.

  There were a couple fleets and Halsey and Spruance would trade off leading
one of them. It was called the 3rd fleet when Halsey was in command and the 5th
fleet when Spruance was in command (or the other way around, I don't remember).
The other fleet was the 7th fleet and consisted of older ships. 

  George

    
    for the first teevee show, was it "what's my line" ?

A lot of people haven't been paying attention to this hint:

>                                      I never watched it myself,
>    probably because it was on so late and I was a kid, among other
>    reasons  

Hence my "Test pattern" guess.  Seriously, I'd say it was some kind of
news program.

    re: TV question
    
    Not Charades (aka "Stump the Stars"), nor "What's My Line"...
    
    
>> A lot of people haven't been paying attention to this hint:
>> 
>> >                                      I never watched it myself,
>> >    probably because it was on so late and I was a kid, among other
>> >    reasons  
>> 
>> Hence my "Test pattern" guess.  Seriously, I'd say it was some kind of
>> news program.
    
    Good to pay attention to that hint, but...
    
    (more hint warning)
    
    
    
    ... it's not a news program.
    
    What kind of program was quite popular in the very early days of
    television (which most of us weren't around for, granted), that
    was on later in the evening, that a kid might not be allowed to
    watch (regardless of its air time), and that could have run on
    and on and on for fifteen years, essentially as long as people
    would sit in front of the tube and watch it, without running out
    of "material"?
    
    Oh, I do feel bad for starting this... the answer's not probably
    not worth all this effort...  how about one more indirect hint:
    
    
    
    If I said the sponsor, it would probably be a dead giveaway to anyone
    who was either around back then or who's better with their TV history
    than I am...
    
    Chris

 Something with Arthur Godfrey?

>> Something with Arthur Godfrey?

	eeeuw.  {shudder}

My mother's never forgiven Arthur Godfrey for firing what's-his-name on the air.

Next guess: pro wrestling.

re: .242 - Julius LaRosa. "No humility"

HTH,

Art

 Hey, its a guess, OK?  ;-)

Arthur Godfrey talent scouts
never ran out of material, ran forever it seemed. :-}

re:  Arthur Godfrey
    
    Another good try... he had two or three different shows on the air
    during the week at one point.  Very popular, until his ego got
    out of control and he fired Julie on the air ("...that was Julie's
    swan song with us.") and buzzed a control tower and a few other
    choice Godfreyisms.
    
    
>> Next guess: pro wrestling.
    
    Aha, now you're getting verrrrry close!
    
    Chris

Roller derby?

    
    Table hockey?
    

    
    boxing sponsored by gillette?

 The Friday night Fights!

    .239
    
    Gillette Cavalcade of Sports.
    
    joan

    It wasn`t a bogus news paper but thats not the issue. I always thought
    it was Mr. Murphy and (if I can find it) reread the news paper article.
    I also understand that Neville Brand (sp) was the second most decorated
    WW II vet.
    

Something with a name like:
"Alcoa theatre" ?

>>    boxing sponsored by gillette?
    
>>    The Friday night Fights!

>>    Gillette Cavalcade of Sports.


Ba-da-BING!!  A triple, hand out three ceegars, plus a fourth one to
Gerald for getting everyone on the right track!

Gillette Cavalcade of Sports ran on NBC from September, 1944 through
the 1959-60 television season.  It was the first regularly-scheduled
network program, and it was a hit beyond all expectations.  The
close-quarters, tightly-contained action was perfect for the limitations
of TV at the time (baseball, for example, didn't work too well until
high-quality telephoto lenses and multi-camera setups became available).

It was so successful that the Dumont network soon followed with
pro wrestling, and had a similar success, though not as long-lasting.

See, the answer *was* anticlimactic, wasn't it? :-)

Chris

>> It was the first regularly-scheduled
>> network program

Whoops, should have said first *successful* regularly-scheduled network
program, like I'd said in the original question.

Chris

    
    
    
    	In the Rocky movies what was his trainer Mickey's last name.
    
    
    			DAC
    

    It was probably referenced at his funeral which was at a synagogue.
    
    -Jack

    errrrm... Smith?

    
    
    	Twice I believe.
    
    	At his funeral and in a lawyers office as the only asset
    	they had that was unemcumbered when Rocky went bankrupt.
    
    
    		DAC
    
    

    
    Goldfine

    
    well what's the answer???

    
    
    		Mickey Goldmill.
    
    		       RIP
    
    
    
    		DAC
    
    	

    
    hell at least I was close.

  What did the town of Ismay, Montana, change its name to in 1993?

	ayuh.  very good.

    
    	Did you know that Ismay is pig latin for "Mis"?
    
    	I bet you didn't.
    

   .267  that occurred to me when i read it too.

    Moe -- Omay
    Larry -- Arrylay
    Curley -- Curley Q
    

    ;>

    Curley -- Barren of Grey Matter
    

    Shall we commence the pie-throwing now?
    

	why soit'nly!

    Another bet to turn us into Ladies gone dreadfully wrong.
    
    {looking down in shame}
    

   .273  I just read a letter-to-the-editor in the Glob from a woman
	 in Chicago (I think), who said it's only in the Boston area that
	 the Stooges are considered, by some, to be a "guy thing" (duh).

	 So we're okay, Jojo.   Phew, huh?  ;>
    

> in the Glob

the mind boggles.  What is a boggle, anyway?

Chris.

>>> in the Glob

>the mind boggles.  What is a boggle, anyway?

	er, the Glob - not-so-affectionate term for the Boston Globe.

	hope this helps.

    .276
    
    >> What is a boggle, anyway?
    >
    > er, the Glob - not-so-affectionate term...
     
    Er, ummm...  Far be it from me to pounce on an oopsie committed by the
    Lady Di, but since I happen to be so far along anyway, I interpreted
    the question as an inquiry into the definition of "boggle."

     
>>    Er, ummm...  Far be it from me to pounce on an oopsie committed by the
>>    Lady Di, but since I happen to be so far along anyway, I interpreted
>>    the question as an inquiry into the definition of "boggle."

	it wasn't an "oopsie".  i assumed he was kidding about the boggle
	question.  he said "the mind boggles" in response to my reference
	to "the Glob".  that's what i thought might need explaining.
	but thanks for playing. ;>

sorry, my mistake; the Boston Globe is renowned for being a glob of
mucus even on these shores, I was just fluff-noting!  :)  I still
don't know what a boggle is, though!

Chris.

    Sexual equality for Stooges fans.  Good news, Di!
    
    But can we believe it if the Globe published it?  {worrying}
    

    {series of smaqs}    

    {running away, yelling, "woowoowoowoowoowoo"}
    
    Cue the theme music.
    

	Ahhhhh.... Ladies..... there will be no brawling in da box.... unless
it's done Dynasty style! :-)

Di, put down those pliers.

    I'll be Linda Evans, with Yanni at my side playing the pan flute.
    Oh, sorry, that'd be Zamfir.
    

	That would make Milady EVILLLLLL!!!!!  Hmmm... what a nice twist....

    I was supposed to be Joan Collins???  Hmmmmpphhh!
    
    (By the way, Glen....  I had lunch at the Piccadilly Pub
    the other day and received prompt, attentive service.  I think
    my theory is being proven!!!!   ;^)  ;^)    )
    

    I'm a little confused. What's the question?

 That's right!

    What?  Second base.
    

    Is this "Sports And Leisure" for a pie?

| <<< Note 344.287 by XEDON::JENSEN >>>


| (By the way, Glen....  I had lunch at the Piccadilly Pub
| the other day and received prompt, attentive service.  I think
| my theory is being proven!!!!   ;^)  ;^)    )

	Hey! Hey! Hey! That's not true!!!  I was there Friday night and got
great service! And there were 4 of us then!!!!  It just might be the
Joanne/Glen combo that does it. We should test this new theory out real soon!

| <<< Note 344.291 by POLAR::RICHARDSON "Repetitive Glad Napping" >>>

| Is this "Sports And Leisure" for a pie?


	Yes.... Milady's crust, my apple filling. Yum!!! 

>>	Yes.... Milady's crust, my apple filling. Yum!!! 

	this is not really fair.  after all, no-one got to try
	a homemade Silva crust.  could be superior.

	I doubt it..... yours was thick, tasty, and melted in yer mouth. YUM
YUM YUM!!!!

    oo-er

>>    oo-er

	i know it, huh?

I didn't think Di was Glen's type.

	Wow.... that one totally got by me. And I wrote the thing..... sigh...

trivia snarf!

    Well, they certainly are trivial...

    Not only that, they're not important either!

	:-)

	Had dinner with my brother last night.  These 25 questions were on
	the placemats.  He knew almost all of 'em.  Some of them are easy,
	but I was still impressed - thought I'd see if the 'boxers knew as
	much.  Here goes, if you're interested:
 
	1. What shortstop was named the AL MVP in both 1983 and 1991?
	2. What Texas Rangers player won the 1991 AL batting title?
	3. Who is the winningest black pitcher in major league history?
	4. What SF Giants slugger set a major league record by drawing 45
	   intentional walks in 1969?
	5. What sporting goods manufacturer supplies all official major
	   league baseballs and also co-sponsors the Gold[en?] Glove
	   Award for fielding?
	6. What pitcher recorded more than 200 victories each in both the 
	   nineteenth and twentieth centuries?
	7. Dividing a hitter's number of total bases on safe hits by his
	   number of times at bat gives you what statistic?
	8. What are the nicknames of the two 1993 NL expansion teams?
	9. Who set a major league record by recording 57 saves in 1990?
       10. What pitcher had the most total strikeouts in both the 1970's and
	   the 1980's?
       11. Who pitched a perfect no-hit game in the 1956 World Series?
       12. What is Roger Clemens' given first name?
       13. What NY Mets player had at least 30 HRs and 30 stolen bases in the
	   same season in 1987, 1989, and 1991?
       14. What Hall of Famer was killed in a plane crash at age 38, in 1972?
       15. What Yankees slugger won back-to-back MVP awards in 1960-61?
       16. Who was the first player to hit 40 HRs and steal 40 bases in
	   the same season?
       17. Who is the most recent player to hit three HRs in a World Series
	   game?
       18. What former major league player starred in the TV series "The
	   Rifleman"?  
       19. Who was nicknamed the "Yankee Clipper"?  
       20. What AL pitching great won 416 games, 110 by shutout?
       21. Who was nicknamed the "Say Hey Kid"?
       22. Multiplying a pitcher's number of earned runs allowed by nine,
	   then dividing by his number of innings pitched, gives you what stat?
       23. What was Ty Cobb's uniform number?
       24. What Hall of Famer's name is mentioned on the plaques of more than
	   ten different Hall of Famers?
       25. What current major league team owner once won the America's Cup?

    RE: 3. Vida Blue?

     These are mostly guesses.
    
     >1. What shortstop was named the AL MVP in both 1983 and 1991?
    
     Cal Ripken, Jr.
    
    >2. What Texas Rangers player won the 1991 AL batting title?
    
    Olerud?
    
    >3. Who is the winningest black pitcher in major league history?
    
     Satchell Page
    
    >5. What sporting goods manufacturer supplies all official major
    >           league baseballs and also co-sponsors the Gold[en?] Glove
    >           Award for fielding?
    
     Rawlings
    
    >7. Dividing a hitter's number of total bases on safe hits by his
    >number of times at bat gives you what statistic?
    
     Slugging percentage
    
    >8. What are the nicknames of the two 1993 NL expansion teams?
    
     Rockies, Marlins
    
    >9. Who set a major league record by recording 57 saves in 1990?
    
     Lee Smith
    
    >10. What pitcher had the most total strikeouts in both the 1970's and
    >the 1980's?
    
     Nolan Ryan
    
    >13. What NY Mets player had at least 30 HRs and 30 stolen bases in the
    >same season in 1987, 1989, and 1991?
    
     Strawberry
    
    >14. What Hall of Famer was killed in a plane crash at age 38, in 1972?
    
     Thurman Munson
    
    >15. What Yankees slugger won back-to-back MVP awards in 1960-61?
    
     Dimaggio
    
    >16. Who was the first player to hit 40 HRs and steal 40 bases in
    >the same season?
    
     Canseco
    
    >17. Who is the most recent player to hit three HRs in a World Series
    >game?
    
     Reggie Jackson
    
    >18. What former major league player starred in the TV series "The
    >           Rifleman"?
    
     Chuck Connors
    
    >19. Who was nicknamed the "Yankee Clipper"?
    
    Joe Dimaggio
    
    >20. What AL pitching great won 416 games, 110 by shutout?
    
     Cy Young
    
    >21. Who was nicknamed the "Say Hey Kid"?
    
     Willie Mays
    
    >22. Multiplying a pitcher's number of earned runs allowed by nine,
    >then dividing by his number of innings pitched, gives you what stat?
    
     ERA
    
    >What was Ty Cobb's uniform number?
    
     10
    
    >25. What current major league team owner once won the America's Cup?
    
     Ted Turner on Courageous in 1974

>    >3. Who is the winningest black pitcher in major league history?
>    
>     Satchell Page

Satchell Paige played in the Negro Leagues.

 4.  Willie McCovey

 3. Bob Gibson

   Doctah, the following were correct:
    
   1. Cal Ripken, Jr.
   5. Rawlings
   7. Slugging percentage
   8. Rockies, Marlins
  10. Nolan Ryan
  16. Canseco
  17. Reggie Jackson
  18. Chuck Connors
  19. Joe Dimaggio
  21. Willie Mays
  22. ERA
  25. Ted Turner on Courageous in 1974

   correct

>>          <<< Note 344.310 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Learning to lean" >>>

 4.  Willie McCovey

  .312  WTF?  i wanted to see how much _'boxers_ knew, not if they
	knew how to send mail to someone.  sheesh.

Forgive me.  I don't know what got into me.  It's gone now.
{head hung in shame}

    If #3 wasn't Bob Gibson, was it Ferguson Jenkins?
    
    -Stephen

    
    Thought I saw him walking up over the hill with Abraham, Martin and
    John.

 .319  well anyways... most of them were right.  even the wild guess(es).

>>    If #3 wasn't Bob Gibson, was it Ferguson Jenkins?

	Yes, it was.

    RE: .319
    
    Oh good. Someone to relieve me of the mantle of reprehensibility;
    even if for a brief time, to unload this burden is a most
    gracious act. Thank you.

    -b

  .324  not a chance.

Di, it not knowing how to send mail.  It's knowing who to send mail to.

>>Di, it not knowing how to send mail.  It's knowing who to send mail to.

	good point. ;>  you are apparently a wizard at that.

	6. What pitcher recorded more than 200 victories each in both the 
	   nineteenth and twentieth centuries?
    
    	Cy Young
    
    
	9. Who set a major league record by recording 57 saves in 1990?
    
    	Dennis Eckersley
    
    
       11. Who pitched a perfect no-hit game in the 1956 World Series?
    
    	Don Larsen
    
    
       14. What Hall of Famer was killed in a plane crash at age 38, in 1972?
    
    	Roberto Clemente
    
    
       15. What Yankees slugger won back-to-back MVP awards in 1960-61?
    
    	Mickey Mantle
    
    
       23. What was Ty Cobb's uniform number?
    
    	3
    
    
       24. What Hall of Famer's name is mentioned on the plaques of more than
	   ten different Hall of Famers?
    
    	Joe Cronin
    
    

    .326
    
    whom
    
    NNTTM.

   these were correct, chris:
    
     6.	Cy Young
    11.	Don Larsen
    14.	Roberto Clemente

 
	1. What shortstop was named the AL MVP in both 1983 and 1991?

		Cal Ripken

	2. What Texas Rangers player won the 1991 AL batting title?

		Rafiel Palmero

	3. Who is the winningest black pitcher in major league history?

			?

	4. What SF Giants slugger set a major league record by drawing 45
	   intentional walks in 1969?

			?

	5. What sporting goods manufacturer supplies all official major
	   league baseballs and also co-sponsors the Gold[en?] Glove
	   Award for fielding?

		Rawlings

	6. What pitcher recorded more than 200 victories each in both the 
	   nineteenth and twentieth centuries?

		Cy Young

	7. Dividing a hitter's number of total bases on safe hits by his
	   number of times at bat gives you what statistic?

		Slugging %

	8. What are the nicknames of the two 1993 NL expansion teams?

		Florida Marlins, and the Colorado Rockies

	9. Who set a major league record by recording 57 saves in 1990?

		Dennis Eckersley  

       10. What pitcher had the most total strikeouts in both the 1970's and
	   the 1980's?

			?

       11. Who pitched a perfect no-hit game in the 1956 World Series?

			?

       12. What is Roger Clemens' given first name?

		Rocket

       13. What NY Mets player had at least 30 HRs and 30 stolen bases in the
	   same season in 1987, 1989, and 1991?

		Howard Johnson

       14. What Hall of Famer was killed in a plane crash at age 38, in 1972?

			?

       15. What Yankees slugger won back-to-back MVP awards in 1960-61?

			?

       16. Who was the first player to hit 40 HRs and steal 40 bases in
	   the same season?

		Jose Canseco

       17. Who is the most recent player to hit three HRs in a World Series
	   game?

		Joe Carter

       18. What former major league player starred in the TV series "The
	   Rifleman"?  

		Chuck Connors

       19. Who was nicknamed the "Yankee Clipper"?  

		Joe Dimaggio

       20. What AL pitching great won 416 games, 110 by shutout?

			?

       21. Who was nicknamed the "Say Hey Kid"?

		Willie Mays

       22. Multiplying a pitcher's number of earned runs allowed by nine,
	   then dividing by his number of innings pitched, gives you what stat?

		Earned Run Average (ERA)

       23. What was Ty Cobb's uniform number?

			?

       24. What Hall of Famer's name is mentioned on the plaques of more than
	   ten different Hall of Famers?

			?

       25. What current major league team owner once won the America's Cup?

			?

       Glen, of the as-yet unanswered ones, this was correct:

	 13. Howard Johnson

	Doug Jones for the most saves of 57?

	>>Doug Jones for the most saves of 57?

	nope.  i happen to know that gerald knows the answer though.

 Bobby Thigpen

	That's it Jim..... I really think that's it. The 2 of them always
reminded me of each other.

  that is correct, sir.

  9. Bobby Thigpen

	that leaves only 2, 12, 15, 20, 23, and 24 unanswered.

     .338  correct:

         15. Roger (Stella) Maris
         20. Walter Johnson

	2. What Texas Rangers player won the 1991 AL batting title?

		Julio Franco

       12. What is Roger Clemens' given first name?

		Kile

       15. What Yankees slugger won back-to-back MVP awards in 1960-61?

		Liver boy?

       24. What Hall of Famer's name is mentioned on the plaques of more than
	   ten different Hall of Famers?

		Cy Young

  

 23.  9

 24.  Casey Stengel

    	In the comic strip "The Archies", what is Archie's last name?

  .340  correct:

	2. Julio Franco
       24. Cy Young

Andrews.

    23. Ty Cobb played before they had numbers on the uniforms.
    
    

    >.324  not a chance.

    Oh well. Then I guess I'll just have to wait until Andy
    Krawiecki gets out of line... :-)
    
    -b

       23. What was Ty Cobb's uniform number?
    
    	4
    
    
       24. What Hall of Famer's name is mentioned on the plaques of more than
	   ten different Hall of Famers?
    
    	Joe McCarthy
    

    you are a true scholar.  ;>

    23. Ty Cobb played before they had numbers on the uniforms.
    
    

    Whoops, replied before catching up...
    
    Chris

    They forgot to ask this one....
    
    
    
    
    Which former Red Sox player was a Polish bumb??

Di, I take it Roger Clemens' given first name isn't Roger?

    
    Is it Sue?
    

>>Di, I take it Roger Clemens' given first name isn't Roger?

	you take it right.

If it's not Roger, might it be 10-4?

>>If it's not Roger, might it be 10-4?

	aagagag.  actually "over and out" might be more apropos.

I read you, good buddy.

    > "over and out"
    
    Now where's that oxymoron topic?

    
    
    And here all along I thought it was Olivia Dehavalid

 2150by

    
    re: .359
    
    Mike,
    
      I think there's an "n" in the last name someplace...
    

    
    
>>    And here all along I thought it was Olivia Dehavalid

	That's Olivia De-ya-have-a-lid?
	A common mistake.

    
    Wow, lady Di.....the colerz, the colerz.......
    
    Thanks Andy, going from a very bad memory I was.
    
    
    

At the suggestion of the non-'boxer whose answers I posted in a moment of
insanity (mea culpa, mea culpa!), I've sent the list to an ex-'boxer who's
a baseball aficionado (is that better, Di?).

.304>	Had dinner with my brother last night.

This restaurant of which you speak - they have some interest in ball
players, er what?

    
    Who directed the film version of `Valley Of The Dolls'?
    

Russ Meyer, no?  Or was that "Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens?"

    
    If my info was correct, it was not Russ Meyer.
    

    
    It wasn't Roman Polanski, or some such?

    
    nope.
    

Roger Vadim?

    
    Nyet.
    

Related question: what TV personality wrote screenplays for Russ Meyer films
before he was famous?

    
    Roger Ebert?
    

    May West?!

.374 is correct.

    
    My nefarious source alleges that .374 is also the correct answer to
    .366.  I will confirm tonight, if Code Warrior doesn't before then.
    

    
    If Roman Polanski is the correct answer, I want my �5.

    
    Not 5 #, 5 �!
    
    8^)
    

    
>>    If Roman Polanski is the correct answer, I want my �5.

	he sprang to mind for me too.  what is wrong with all of
	us?  that's what i wanna know.

Roman Polanski was a countyman of Claude Rueben Bukowski.

    
    Okay...here's the straight dope.  My answer of "Roger Ebert" was
    incorrect, although he probably wrote the screenplay.
    
    The director of `Valley Of The Dolls' was...
    
    
    Mark Robson.
    

  .385  okay, but dear, you forgot to address the issue of what's wrong
	with all of us.  

    
    And who the heck is Mark Robson?  Did Roman Polanski have _anything_ to
    do with this movie?

    
    .386:
    
    I believe fluoridation has driven you all mad.
    

    
    Okay, here's one:
    
    What is Hugh Grant's middle name?
    

    
    Hugh TFC Grant.
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    Wrong!   Liar!
    

    Re; Hugh Grant's middle name... gotta be John :-)

    G?

 "man am I stupid"

    
    "lefty"
    
    (another obscure soapbox reference)
    
    -b

    Research.
    
    Chris

    
    "Four weddings and a hand job"
    
    -b

    "I need a life"?

	single?

	snarf?

    
    Okay, no-one knows.  It's `Mungo'.
    
    Seriously.
    

    
    You're a silly man, Joan.

    
    I've been called worse.   ;^)
    

    I thought "Grant" was his middle name, and Rection was his "real" last
    name.
    MadMike

	SCREAM!!!!!!! Too funny!!!!!

Figgers.  That's jr. high humor.

    Hugh "Oi, I look like a douche bag on national news" Grant?
    Hugh "Cripes, everyones gonna be thinking about me doing the el-slammo
    while watching my new movie" Grant?
    Hugh "Hard(on) copy is gonna rip me to R.O. for weeks" Grant?

| <<< Note 344.406 by NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085" >>>

| Figgers.  That's jr. high humor.


	HEY!!!!!!!  i resemble that.... :-)

    Grant will be interviewed by Leno tonight if anybody is interested.
    
    ...Tom

| <<< Note 344.409 by DASHER::RALSTON "cantwejustbenicetoeachother?:)" >>>

| Grant will be interviewed by Leno tonight if anybody is interested.

	Do you think they will even "touch" the subject? :-)

    Sure, unless Grant turns out to be a real jerk-off  :)
    
    ...Tom

Is Oral Roberts going to be Leno's other guest?  Will Hootie and the Blowfish
be on?

    
    Maybe Whoopie Goldberg! :-)
    
    -b

    Or maybe Dick Smothers?
    
    Chris

    Thigpen may have set the record for most saves in 1990, but the current
    holder of that record is
    
     Jeff Reardon, Boston Red Sox

>    Thigpen may have set the record for most saves in 1990, but the current

I never realized that Sara played ball . . . 

    
    re .418, Yeltsin's condition
    
    Er, this is trivia?
    

    
    It may be trivia, but it sure ain't a question.
    

    Okay.  The first show to show a married couple in the same bed came out
    in the 60's.  The show was a comedy, kind of a silly one.  Yet this
    fact caused an uproar in the media about the portrayal of a couple in
    the same bed.  What was the show.
    
    Hint: Here spot...here boy!

    
    
    The Munsters

    Excellent!!!  The Munsters are alive and well in Greenbelt I see!

    "Lily, be careful... my bolts!"
    
    Chris

So what _is_ Roger Clemens' given name?

    
    <--- maybe it's Margot, 'cause didn't he get ****ed by Wade
         Boggs too? :-)
    
    -b

 i thought you'd never ask.

                                  -< William >-

	I'm sure it's Bill, Mack or Buddy...... but he's plain ugly to me.... 

    What was Butch Hobsons real first name?

 Was or is?

    Was...as in what is his first name on his birth certificate?!

    Excellent...you get a gold star!

    
    
    eesshhh....i'd change my name too, if it were clell...
    
    (i miss butch...he is such a cutie..)
    
    

Butch Jandrow.  Has a nice ring to it.  People might misunderstand your
proclivities, though.

    My cousin used to babysit for him and his wife.  They lived in
    Framingham in the 70's.
    
    -Jack

>    Was...as in what is his first name on his birth certificate?!

   The question was "What was Butch Hobson's real name".   To the best of
 my knowledge, Mr. Hobson is still alive and his real name has not changed..
 thus the question should be "what IS Butch Hobson's real name?"




 Jim

>    My cousin used to babysit for him and his wife.  They lived in
>    Framingham in the 70's.
    
 
    He and his wife needed a babysitter?



 Jim

    
    > (i miss butch...he is such a cutie..)

    Admit it, you just enjoyed watching him run around in those tight
    pants... :-)

    Dan

    re: "Butch"
    
    Hobson ("Winsome" Hobson has a nice ring to it) just wanted
    to name himself after the kid who played Eddie Munster.  Maybe
    he identified with the Wolfman doll...
    
    Chris

	Why yes Dan, I do. :-)

    Okay...hers' an interesting one.
    
    There are three songs from the 70's.  They were all a number 1 hit at
    one specific time in that decade but they all had the same title.  Of
    course they were all sung by different groups.
    
    Clue:
    
    Flowing between heaven and hades...another flowing...poker!

    -1 isn't that copyright infringement?

    Okay Meat-O-Rama! We give up!

    The Gambler?

    Mary Michael:
    
    No but you are on the right track.  Although it has nothing to do with
    the gambler, the star of the Gambler is one of the answers.
    
    The clue was an attempt to indicate the three groups that sang their
    perspective songs.  I'll make it more explicit.
    
    The 1st group came out with their song in 1970.  They are named after a
    river that separates heaven and Hades.  Big 70's group.
    
    The second group had the word river in their title.
    
    The third singer starred in a movie he wrote the theme song for and his
    song with the same title is a famous love song you would hear on a
    station like WMJX or soft rock type stations.
    
    2nd Clue:  Nickname for a goderator.
    
    -Jack

    styx, little river band, kenny rogers
    
    processig second clue now...
    
    -b

        Just passing through...
            
>    The 1st group came out with their song in 1970.  They are named after a
>    river that separates heaven and Hades.  Big 70's group.
 
        Styx?
           
>    The second group had the word river in their title.
        
        Little River Band?
    
>    The third singer starred in a movie he wrote the theme song for and his
>    song with the same title is a famous love song you would hear on a
>    station like WMJX or soft rock type stations.
        
        Kenny Rogers?
    
        

    
    
    As was said in .448........

    I congradulate all of you for your astuteness on the subject.  Did the
    clue of nickname for goderator help?...that being the lovely lady Di?
    
    

    Congratulate you idiot!!!!

    Don't be so hard on yourself Meatoramaman!

    re: .446 (and I haven't read past this note yet, your clues finally
    kicked my brain into gear)
    
    
    I got it!   The song is "Lady"
    
    The groups/singers were Kenny Rogers, Styx, and Little River Band.
    
    
    -steve

    Correct Stevo.  Congrads to you also!
    

	Jack, I don't think of milady when the word goderator is spoken. If'n
you had said one of the most radiant, beautiful, spectacular goderators, then I
would have known! :-)

    Uhhhhh....sorry
    
    
    
    You're right!
    
    
    
    Di will forgive me!

Shouldn't it be goddesserator?  Oh, I forgot.  Chelsea's not here to bait.

 the man Chelsea?

    Mebbe godderatress or godderatrix perhaps?  

	me thinks brian has the correct version!!!! 

    To anybody:
    
    
    
    
    Queen to Queen's level three?

    That's what Scotty asked the Captain, who was actually Lord Garth at
    the time when he tried to beam back up to the ship.

That episode was just on the other day.

A local station is showing all the episodes in order, at least according
to a listing I have. They started it with the pilot with Jeff Hunter as
Cap'n Kirk.

Thus far thised week, "The Mark of Gideon" (Kirk suckered to another
planet for his menangitis antibodies), "The Lights of Zetar" (Scottie
finally has a female friend and she loses it) and "The Cloud Minders"
(elite make slaves mine Zenonite which emits a gas that makes 'em stupid
and mad).

TTom

    I forget what the counter move was. rook to queen's level 2?

    Bzzzzt!  Actually, lord Garth was Mr. Spock when he tried to trick his
    way on the enterprise....
    
    Queen to Queen's level three?

    King to Queen's Level four?

    Close...
    
    It was Queen to Kings level four!
    
    

re .464
    
�to a listing I have. They started it with the pilot with Jeff Hunter as
�Cap'n Kirk.
    
    I thought Jeff Junter played Captain Christopher Pike in the first
    pilot.
    
    Balders

             <<< Note 344.464 by HBAHBA::HAAS "time compressed" >>>
>A local station is showing all the episodes in order, at least according
>to a listing I have. They started it with the pilot with Jeff Hunter as
>Cap'n Kirk.

	They are not showing them in order of original broadcast. THe pilot,
	on it's own, never made it to the airwaves. It was later recut with
	with new scenes and broadcast as Menagerie.

Jim

    The Meagerie was on last night.

    re: .468
    
    That was my next guess.  

    Jeffrey Hunter played Captain Christopher Pike, not Captain James Kirk. 
    The original series proposal made by Roddenberry in 1964 had the
    captain named Robert April.
    
    I believe that the only character retained from The Cage was Spock,
    although Majel Barrett, who had played the nameless First Officer
    "Number One" in The Cage, was recast as nurse Christine Chapel.

    
    ...and later recast as Roddenberry's wife.
    

    Well, yes, but I was being nice, remembering that this is a family
    notesfile.  Truth is that GR and MB were, shall we say, better-than-
    average friends long before GR became a divorc�.

    
    Dick, you are *such* a jennulman.
    

    Any Star Trek fan should read Joel Engel's biography of Gene
    Roddenberry, then read David Alexander's, and then as an exercise
    in mental gymnastics, try to reconcile the two.  :-)
    
    I saw part of "The Menagerie" the other night, and as usual it
    was butchered.  For example, they cut out the whole "So that's
    it then?  No apologies?..." "Your unsuitability has condemned
    our race to death.  Is that not enough?" thing.  Instead they
    just cut happily to "Well, let's get back to the ship."  Gaa.
    
    "The Cage" has been shown in more recent years, and is of course
    out on video.  I'd recommend seeing it, it's got some great lines
    that were cut out of "The Menagerie" for continuity and/or, er,
    "network standards" reasons.
    
    One of my favorite GR stores was when he was, uh, enjoying Majel
    Barrett and Nichelle Nichols around the same time while he was
    married (this was before "Star Trek"), and he decided to end it
    with Nichelle, so he sadistically brought her over to Majel's house
    without telling either one of them ahead of time, and let them all
    sort out the whole mess for themselves.
    
    Chris

    You have 10 bags of coins...one has gold coins and the other nine have
    counterfeit coins.  They look and feel exactly the same.  The gold
    coins are 1 and a quarter ounces and the counterfeit are 1 ounce...so
    it is impossible to tell the weight by holding them.
    
    You also have an electronic scale.  You can use the scale once for a
    quick reading...then the scale self destructs.  How can you use it this
    one time to adequately determine which bags are counterfeit and which
    aren't?
    
    -Jack

    Put two bags of coins on the scale, remove one.  If the resultant
    number is less than half, the bag removed is the gold, if exaclty half,
    they are both fake, greater than half, the bag on the scale is the
    gold.  
    
    or 
    
    Put one bag on the scale, keep adding bags until the additional weight
    is larger than the previous weight added.  That bag will be the gold.  
    
    Or
    
    Put all of the bags on the scale and remove one bag at a time.  If the
    difference is larger than the previous bag, that's the gold.  
    
    You have used the scale once as there will always be a reading. 

    Brian:
    
    Good ideas except the scale only shows a number for two seconds.  So
    you can't put them all on the scale at once!  Sorry bout that!
    
    -Jack


Put 1 coin from Bag 1, 2 coins from Bag 2, ..., 10 coins from Bag 10 on the
scale (all at once, one at a time is too slow)

Read measurement on scale.

Duck so you won't be hit by flying coins as the scale explodes.

Subtract 55 oz. from measurement.

Divide remainder by 1/4 oz (or multiply by 4)

The number (which should be an integer) is the bag # of the real coins.

This has some connection with computer error checking algorithms.

    Take it to the bank.

    oh great....now how am I gonna get to sleep 2night? :-/

    YOU CHEAT!  WHY DO YOU CHEAT?!?!?!  Show me the 2 second reference. 
    Show me, show me, show me!  I win, I win, I win!  Oh, this isn't a
    Theo-political-sexual note?  Sorry for tirade Jack.  
    
    Brian

    .478
    
    Aw, c'mon, Jack, iffen you're gonna give people puzzles, at least make
    them hard puzzles.  Like this one:
    
    You have 12 coins.  ONE is counterfeit.  Its weight is different from
    the weight of the 11 good coins.  You have a balance scale that shows
    only whether the contents of the pans DO or DO NOT balance.  In THREE
    weighings, isolate the bad coin and tell whether it is too heavy or too
    light.

    AND tell whether it is too heavy or too light?
    Hmmm...a really tough one!
    Pride's at stake...drop all else to solve this dang thing.

    I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb and say it can't be done...I'd love to
    be proved wrong!
    
    I can isolate the bad coin if it's known in advance whether it's too
    heavy or light with three weighings, or if it's not known in four...
    
    
    Still thinking...

    Wait! Wait!
    I proved myself wrong!..now I just gotta format it (in my brain and in
    EDT)....

    re: .478 (I haven't read ahead yet...)
    
    Put all the bags on the scale.  Take them off one and a time, noting
    the decrease in weight.  One bag has to decrease in weight more than
    the others, and that will be the bag you are looking for.
    
    
    -steve

    Dang, wrong again.
    
    Back to my original statement: can't be done. Nosir, noway, nohow.
    
    If it's known in advance whether it's heavy or light, you can isolate it
    from more than 25 coins in 3 weighings.
    
    The problem comes down to:
    4 possible counterfeits, 1 weighing left, it's known whether or not
    it's heavy or light.
    
    2 possible counterfeits, 1 weighing left, it's not known whether or not
    it's heavy or light.
    
    Aggg!
    
    Anyone else enjoying this discussion I'm having with myself?

    I propose:
    
    If it is known whether the bad coin is heavy or light, 1 coin
    can be identified from a group of 27 in three weighings.
    
    If it is not known whether the bad coin is heavy or light, 1 coin
    can be identified from a group of no more than 9 in three weighings.

    .491
    
    > If it is not known whether the bad coin is heavy or light, 1 coin
    > can be identified from a group of no more than 9 in three weighings.
    
    Wrong.  When you give up, drop over to my cube to see the flowchart I
    drew sometime back along around 1968 of my solution.

    >around 1968 of my solution.
    
    would that qualify as a misplaced preposition?
    

    .493
    
    No.  Maybe the sentence would be easier to parse if expressed this way:
    
    Erratum fecisti.  Cum quaestionem prodes, ueni in officinam meam ut
    explicationis chartam uides quam circa a.u.c. mmdccxx finxi.

    Congratulations Madman!!  You are krect!

       
>>       I have trouble pronouncing mmdccxx.

	xxxxxx xxxxxx's half-sister.

    After visiting Mr. Binder, I can verify that he is in possesion of a
    solution to the proposed problem. After I proved myself wrong 3 or 4
    times, he got the dubious honor of being able to do it for the last
    time.
    
    A really cool solution, too, if you like such things. Complex and
    elegant at the same time.
    
    And no, the solution is not easily reproducible in the 'box. You'll
    have to go see it for yourself.

    
    Maybe he can scan it into our homepage.
    

>    A really cool solution, too, if you like such things. Complex and
>    elegant at the same time.

But of course.  It's Binder's solution.

    Or recreate it with MacDraw and then import it onto the page...whaddya
    think?

    Mr Covington is correct in that the form of the solution I presented is
    not suitable for presentation here.  But there are other forms, so I'll
    express the solution in a form that's suitable, i.e., pseudocode. 
    
    This may not look like the pseudocode you know.  Tough.
    
    divide coins into 3 groups of 4 coins each;
    weigh a against b;
    IF a == b THEN				{ bad coin is in c }
      weigh c1.c2 against c3.b1;
      IF c1.c2 == c3.b1 THEN			{ bad coin is c4 }
        weigh c4 against b1;
        IF c4 down THEN
          EXIT					{ ** c4 is heavy }
        ELSE
          EXIT					{ ** c4 is light }
        ENDIF;
      ELSE
        IF c1.c2 down THEN
          weigh c2.c3 against b1.b2;
          IF c2.c3 == b1.b2 THEN
            EXIT				{ ** c1 is heavy }
          ELSE
            IF c2,c3 down THEN
              EXIT				{ ** c2 is heavy }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** c3 is light }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ELSE
          weigh c2.c3 against b1.b2;
          IF c2.c3 == b1.b2 THEN
            EXIT				{ ** c1 is light }
          ELSE
            IF c2,c3 down THEN
              EXIT				{ ** c2 is light }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** c3 is heavy }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ENDIF;
      ENDIF;
    ELSE
      IF a down THEN
        weight a4.b3.c1 against b2.a3.b4;
        IF a4.b3.c1 == b2.a3.b4 THEN
          weigh a1 against a2;
          IF a1 == a2 THEN
            EXIT				{ ** b1 is light }
          ELSE
            IF a1 down THEN
              EXIT				{ ** a1 is heavy }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** a2 is heavy }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ELSE
          IF a4.b3.c1 down THEN
            weigh b2 against b4;
            IF b2 == b4 THEN
              EXIT				{ ** a4 is heavy }
            ELSE
              IF b2 down THEN
                EXIT				{ ** b4 is light }
              ELSE
                EXIT				{ ** b2 is light }
              ENDIF;
            ENDIF;
          ELSE
            weigh a3 against c1;
            IF a3 == c1 THEN
              EXIT				{ ** b3 is light }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** a3 is heavy }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ENDIF;
      ELSE
        weight b4.a3.c1 against a2.b3.a4;
        IF b4.a3.c1 == a2.b3.a4 THEN
          weigh b1 against b2;
          IF b1 == b2 THEN
            EXIT				{ ** a1 is light }
          ELSE
            IF b1 down THEN
              EXIT				{ ** b1 is heavy }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** b2 is heavy }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ELSE
          IF b4.a3.c1 down THEN
            weigh a2 against a4;
            IF a2 == a4 THEN
              EXIT				{ ** b4 is heavy }
            ELSE
              IF a2 down THEN
                EXIT				{ ** a4 is light }
              ELSE
                EXIT				{ ** a2 is light }
              ENDIF;
            ENDIF;
          ELSE
            weigh b3 against c1;
            IF b3 == c1 THEN
              EXIT				{ ** a3 is light }
            ELSE
              EXIT				{ ** b3 is heavy }
            ENDIF;
          ENDIF;
        ENDIF;
      ENDIF;
    ENDIF;
    END.

    
    <---- Oh, sure, easy for YOU to say...
    

    
    i wish you handn't been so hasty in posting that solution
    dick. i was enjoying working that one out... hadn't reached
    a solution yet, but i was barking up the right tree having
    decided to divide the twelve into groups of four... oh
    well. next time, keep your cards to your chest a bit longer.
    
    -b

 .504  ditto.

    .504
    
    Dividing the coins into three groups and isolating the bad coin if it's
    in group C are the easy parts.  Unless you went ahead and read the
    whole solution, in which case you have no grounds for bitching, you
    still have a lot of work to do.  I deliberately put the easy stuff at
    the top.

    
    true, but half the job is finding the right place to start, and
    the rest is just the tedious details. i'll wait for the next
    one...
    
    -b

    
    It can be done by dividing the coins into 3 groups of 4 or 4 groups of
    3.  
    
    

    (I think Dick may actually back me up on this one..)
    
    It can't be done starting in 4 groups of 3.
    
    And, starting with three groups of 4 is SO far from the end that you
    may as well go ahead and try to figger it out on your own...unless, of
    course, you read the entire pseudocode, copmprehended it and memorized
    it in one swell foop.

    .507
    
    > but half the job is finding the right place to start...
    
    It took me less than 10 minutes to figure out where to start.  I can
    assure you that the rest was not all tedious details.  But who cares
    anyway, I'm just a first-class jerk for posting the solution.  :-)

>>    unless, of
>>    course, you read the entire pseudocode, copmprehended it and memorized
>>    it in one swell foop.

	well of course we did.  who do you think you're dealing with here?

    
    I stand corrected, it would take 4 weighings with 4 groups of 3 unless
    you encountered a weight discrepancy with your first weighing.
    
    
    Mike
    
    
    P.S.  Dick, it has nothing to do with your posting the solution. ;')
    
    
    

    re: .511
    
    Obviously people possessed of far greater intelligence than my own.
    :)
    Silly me, I wasted all that time contradicting myself, developing group
    theory proofs on why it could or couldn't be done, and generally tying
    my brain stem in a knot.
    Seriously, if you're interested in solving it on your own, go ahead and
    keep trying. The solution is quite complex and farily difficult to come
    by. <-  :)

    .512
    
    It wouldn't matter whether or not you got a weight discrepancy in your
    first weighing. Still takes 4 times, either way.
    
    You actually get more info if there is a weight discrepancy on the
    first weighing if you use 4 groups of 3.

    
    RE: .514  Nope, if you get a discrepancy in your first weighing, you
    can name that tune in 3 weighings.
    
    ooo  ooo  ooo  ooo
     A    B    C    D
    
    weigh A&B, there is a discr.
    
    weigh B&C -> no discr (you have identified A as your culprit)
    weigh B&C -> discr (you have identified B as your culprit)
    
    Then take suspect pile  ooo
                            abc
    
    weigh a&b,
    
    no discr, c is your culprit
     
    aha, you are right if there is a discrepancy it will take 4.

    Also, don't forget (the real kicker)
    
    You have no idea whether or not the bogus coin is heavy or light!
    
    So if you weigh A vs. B, you can not deduce which one is bogus from
    that weighing alone.

       <<< ROBTOB::ROBTOB$DKA300:[BRAIN_BOGGLERS]BRAIN_BOGGLERS.NOTE;4 >>>
                              -< Brain Bogglers >-
================================================================================
Note 43.5             12 coins, 3 PRE-DETERMINED weighings               5 of 13
GENRAL::DCHAMBERLAIN                                 51 lines   5-APR-1988 16:19
                        -< Weigh Your Words Carefully >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Some years ago I came across an interesting "solution" to this
problem, but have not seen it in any of the repeats that have appeared
in these notes (and also CLT::MATH).

	I believe credit is due to the TV conjurer/magician David Nixon -
Any U.K. noters remember him ?  Is he still alive ?  -  I don't have his
exact solution so have reconstructed one using the same ideas.

	Noters who like word boggles might enjoy creating other versions.
The usual word game rules would apply - no proper nouns, plurals etc.,
UNLESS someone devised an answer containing ONLY proper nouns which would
be really elegant.

	Since there will be many "correct" answers I won't put UNSOLVED
against it, nor do I intend this to be a competition with a winner; simply
working out A solution should be reward enough.

	Well here goes:  (BTW this particular solution assumes there is
one and only one counterfeit coin)

	Instead of numbering the coins 1-12, use letters, and my
solution uses:

	A D E F H I M N O R S T 

	This doesn't look too interesting until the letters are rearranged to:

	MAN FIRED SHOT

	Then the following words are weighed:

	R A F T  /  D I M E

	F I R E  /  S H O T

	M O A N  /  S T I R


	Inspection of the balance results will identify the counterfeit
coin and whether it is heavier or lighter than the others.

	Get the idea?  Start with a phrase that makes some sort of sense
then weigh words.

	Any takers.  Anyone care to try a foreign (i.e. not English)
version?


Good Luck

Derek

    ...trying to come up with a possible setup of coins that would not pass
    the test of the previous example...

    How do you spell the name if the Australian airline?
    
    With or without a "u"?
    
    (Raq oughta know this one...)

    Ain't they outta bizniss?
    

    Yah, it's for real..I wanna know. Figgered it was a good place to ask.

    OK, folks, let's see how long we can keep this up...  kinda like
    "KeepAway" in the info realm...
    

    
    Q____as
    

    Aggg! I >know< that much...
    
    Izzit Qantas or Quantas?
    
    Methinks Qantas...but I have to know! Lives are at stake! The future
    of the free world rests on this!
    
    Well, not really...

    
    re: .528
    
    Wrong what?
    
    We were asked to play "Keepaway"... I coulda just as easily put in
    
    Q________________as 

    SABENA: Such A Bloody Experience, Never Again!

    Ha! Mr. Topaz gave it away!
    
    I think...or was it a carefully calcualted plot? If he knows that I
    know that he knows that I want to know that..
    
    (repeat into a mumbling pit of despair)

    And anyhoo, SABENA should be renamed SARDINEA, not becuz they fly to
    the island neighbor of Corsica, but because they wedge ya buttcheeks
    tergedder sumpin fierce in them liddle seetz.
    
    Hope this helps, ::COVINGTON...
    

    Infintesimally.
    
    I've already forgotten the original question.
    
    :)

	Q  ?? (Queensbury??)
	And
	Northern
	Territories
	Air 
	Services

    Queensland.

    Tanks much!

	binder:  thanks.

    If train A leaves New York at 11:30am  and
    Train B leaves Chicago at 4:40pm...
    
    What is the price of tea in china?

	Take your pick. I'm not fussy. Territory it is then.

    3:30?

    
    Not even Aeroflot can top Sabena for lousy flights, in my experience.
    
    8^p
    
    

    
    re: .540
    
    >What is the price of tea in china?
    
    Buck three eighty????
    

    
    Ask Lucky Jack; he knows from train trips.
    
    

 Hey, I like trains!

    I say he should be panned.
    

    Ahhhh.... It's Friday?

    A dollar twenty?

        Re: price of tea in China - dunno (again) but the Japanese have a
        yen for it - hth!
        
        Sabena - flew with them into Antwerp once - and once only - never
        again! As for their unisex turletts by checkin... no, that was
        fun.
        
        &y
        

    
    i have some fond memories regarding sabena, their personnel,
    and an airport hotel in frankfurt. never flew on the actual
    airline, but i give them very high grades for ground service.
    oh yes, indeed.
    
    -b

	.547
	
	Can I put i on my resum�? 
				"Panned from Soapbox"
	It'd look so good.
	

	Why doesn't rain come down the chimney and into
	the fireplace?

    
    because of the "chimney cap"... the metal thingy that serves
    as a little roof over the chimney opening.
    
    -b

    My house's three chimneys, containing a total of six flues, have no
    chimney caps.  Guess again.

     
    do i have to?
    
    -b

Air shredders.

Rain comes down all 3 flues of my chimney and splashes/drains to the area
inside the cleanout doors in the basement, unless I've got a stove burning
on that flue, in which case it apparently evaporates before it gets that
far.

    something's terribly, terribly wrong with your house, Jack.

    
    it has the flu(e)
    
    -b

Jack doesn't have an air shredder.  I'm afraid his run of luck is over.

It could have been the mason that built the chimney I suppose.

He went through an awful lot of Old Milwaukee.

    
He went through an awful lot of Old Milwaukee.
    
    Are there any good lots of Old Mil?

    No.

    
    <--- correct!
    

    	re .553
    
    	In some cases it does.  With no chimney cap, rain certainly
    	enters the opening.  Now, depending on a variety of factors
    	it may or may not make it all the way down to your fireplace.
    	That's why it's better to have a chimney cap.

>    	That's why it's better to have a chimney cap.

But it's much better to have an air shredder.

  while this is all fascinating, so far no-one has given the
  answer that the magazine gave.

The magazine editors ain't seen my chimbley.

12DOT2::HOME_WORK note 1906.

PS.
   (knock on simulated wood-like desktop substance) I think the fleas
   may finally have met their match.

	that gerald - he's good, isn't he?  the world at his 
	fingertips.


	

    
    re: rainwater...
    
     The birds and squirrels get it all before it hits bottom???
    

    Most fireplaces have an area called a smoke shelf, which is a little
    chamber right behind the damper.  On some, the chimney is located right 
    above the smoke shelf, so rain would go onto the smoke shelf instead of 
    down into the fireplace.
         
    I think the smoke shelf is meant to cut down on wind gusts blowing
    smoke into your room.

    i believe the caps main purpose is to help regulate the air pressure
    so a more consistent draft is maintained... 

The main purpose of a chimney cap is to keep raccoons out.

    .577
    
    Unless you live at the very tip-top of the hill, you still need your
    air shredder, Karen.  The wind can pile up an area of heavy air over
    your garden, and you'll need to fluff it up again, or the rain won't
    get to toe plants in the garden.

Toe plants?  Is that what you plant between stepping stones?

    
    She plants toe plants by the back door.
    

    I thought an air shredder was a heavy metal fan who pretends to play
    guitar along with the music.
    
    Chris

	i had some toe plants one year.  they grew two feet.

    
    They sound like runaway plants......

>    They sound like runaway plants......

Triffids.

What are the names and positions of the "players" mentioned
in Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First" skit?

 I don't know