Conference back40::soapbox

    I notice that C & W have had more "guests" lately, with Michael 
    Goldman filling in for Calptrap this week...
    
    If you want to experience something completely different in talk radio, 
    there is a clear channel AM station in Cleaveland Ohio called WWWE
    (or 3WE) on 1100, which comes in fairly strong in NH at night. 
    Their new talk jock is named "Jazz McKane" and his show is 10PM
    to 2 AM, Eastern TIme. He's kind of a mix of Howard Stern, 
    Doctor Demento and Rush Limbaugh. Very outspoken, definitely
    not a G rated show for the kiddies... 
    
    

    I've received opinion surveys from WRKO twice in the last year. Each
    form had a time slot and name(s) of the talk hosts who were on at that
    time. The first time I got one I checked off the various WRKO talk
    shows I listened to throughout the day. Morning commute - Claprood &
    Whitley, Tom Leikis at 10:00 (occasionally) and Jerry Williams on the
    ride home. 
    
    Last time I filled one out I checked none of their boxes and wrote a
    note on the bottom, saying that Marjorie was making me so nauseous one
    day that I started channel surfing.
    
    (She was in one of her liberal tirrades and was truly making me ill. I
    decided that I didn't need to have my blookd pressure raised like that
    so early in the morning.  "Helllllowww"  Aaaaarrggh!)
    
    Anyway, I informed WRKO that my channel surfing led to the discovery of 
    Don Imus on WEEI and that I have not listened to WRKO since.  
    
    Imus in the morning ...... !!
    
    I love it when he calls someone a stupid moron, bald-headed stooge or
    pencil-necked geek. 
    
    /Intern
    
    

    i've never cared for c&w much.  those big bouffant hairdos so many of
    the singers wear look silly, and the music's pretty awful these days,
    too.

    No, no no no ... not c&w as in country and western ...
    
    
    	oh nevermind    :^/
    
    

      I Claprude can't convert a liberal, nobody can!
    
      She's incredible and oftentimes seems incapable of rational
      thought.  Some mornings she has lit up my blood pressure!!

    As for WRKO, I'd like to see Jerry Williams back in the drive-home
    time period.  I think Howie Carr is capable of having a more
    intelligent program, given his background and experience, but
    I think he intentionally "dumbs down" his show to what he thinks
    his audience will like, and frankly it's getting pretty tedious.
    The signal-to-noise ratio is awful... sometimes he spends entire
    segments on his own staff members or his endless leering search
    for female interns... wgaf?
    
    Carr belongs in the 7-10 time slot, and Williams in the 4-7.
    I don't care what they do with the other ones...  I'm not a
    fan of Clapprood's politics, but she does do great commercials.
    She has that old-style radio pitchwoman's vocal inflections,
    right out of the 50's and 60's.  Maybe she's found her niche...
    
    Chris

|   I think [Howie Carr] intentionally "dumbs down" his show.... 
    
    Sorry, a show on the person you'd most like to toast is not
    "dumbing down" to an audience.  Went right over their heads.
    
    								-mr. bill

 I do like hopping in the car after a crazy day here at work and hearing
 Howie's show..good mindless chatter..though I times, I think he goes a bit
 too far with some of his stuff..I did like Jerry Williams in the afternoons
 too.  I'd still like to see Gene Burns back there in one of the slots.



 Jim

    About the only talk radio I listen to is Steve and Bruce (bad sports,
    better than ever, etc.) on WVMP ( AM 1000 in Chicago)
    
    Kevin Matthews got boring.
    Danny Bonaduce is interesting at time.
    John Brandmeier is still fun to listen to also.
    
    WGN is for old folks.  WLS has some bone head in the afternoons
    after Rush. WJJD does have G. Gordon Liddy.  Now there's an interesting
    guy I like to meet.
    

    >> Sorry, a show on the person you'd most like to toast is not
    >> "dumbing down" to an audience.  Went right over their heads.
    
    That topic was pretty tacky, even if it was in reference to the
    death penalty and which Massachusetts criminals you think most
    "deserve" to be executed.  Strange thing is, the callers that I'd
    heard (before switching to WBZ to listen to everyone's outrage over
    the Reggie Lewis story) couldn't even come up with names other
    than the likes of Whitey Bulger and Pam Smart (who isn't even
    from Mass.).  One name even got "bleeped".
    
    Chris

    
    Gerald Willams has moved on to bigger things....
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    re.10 
    
    Try WJJD in the late afternoons, 4ish. Pretty funny combo on then, but
    can't recall their names. WMAQ isn't bad either.

Criminey - anytime I've brought Marjorie up in here I didn't even get
nibbles, now I find she's everyone's favorite radio Liberal to hate.

  Not much of a contest, she's the only radio liberal.

  George

    	Well if liberal talkradio were what America whated, she'd be
    	a hit.

RE      <<< Note 335.16 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Whatever happened to ADDATA?" >>>

>    	Well if liberal talkradio were what America whated, she'd be
>    	a hit.

  Right, but if we use that same logic to say that the TV media is liberal
because that's what America wants then suddenly the rules change.

  When conservatives win it's because that's what America wants.

  When liberals win is't all some sort of conspiracy where the minds of the
masses have been warped.

  George

	Give another couple of points to George! He is smokin today!

    Unfortunately, it seems George never shares what he's smokin'.
    
    -b

    	re .17
    
    	*NOW* you're gettin' it, George!

So, you 'RKO junkies...  anyone ever bought a
cellular phone from Phil DePalma?

    No ... I don't neeeed no steeeenking cellular phone.
    
    

>So, you 'RKO junkies...  anyone ever bought a
>cellular phone from Phil DePalma?



 No, but I saw Bill "The meat falls off the BONE" Marlowe on TV last night

Someday I'm going to Tommy Floramo's, just to see
if that's *really* true.

Me, I couldn't buy a phone from Phil, since his
name reminds me of Danny DeVito/"Taxi."

I might also go to Regina Gifts someday, too.

    
|I might also go to Regina Gifts someday, too.
    
    Been there.  Not far from where I live.  Never bought anything.
    
    								-mr. bill

 Tommy Floramo's looked like a fairly nice place, and Mr. Marlowe did demonstate
 the ribs whose meat falls off the BONE..everybody in the place was saying it..

    RE .17

>  Right, but if we use that same logic to say that the TV media is liberal
>because that's what America wants then suddenly the rules change.
>
>  When conservatives win it's because that's what America wants.
>
>  When liberals win is't all some sort of conspiracy where the minds of the
>masses have been warped.

    There is a real difference here: There are many forms of media in
    the US. One form, often practiced on talk radio, is openly liberal
    or conservative. The hosts make no bones about their beliefs and 
    generally do a good job defending them. Here the people have a clear
    choice about what they listen to. In these cases it has
    been the result that liberal shows rate very badly. 

    Another form of media will not claim to be liberal or conservative. In
    fact if you ask the people involved in this media they will claim to
    have no bias at all. Most media fall in this category. This is
    the forum from which most people get their news. It is this group that 
    many on the right claim are biased towards liberals. 

    						Ed

RE                       <<< Note 335.27 by DECC::VOGEL >>>
>    Another form of media will not claim to be liberal or conservative. In
>    fact if you ask the people involved in this media they will claim to
>    have no bias at all. Most media fall in this category. This is
>    the forum from which most people get their news. It is this group that 
>    many on the right claim are biased towards liberals. 

  Yet as just about everyone admits, success on TV is based entirely on who
gets good ratings and who does not, maybe even more so than radio. Obviously
the people who watch TV want to hear the "liberals" who are currently on
the air.

  George

    RE .28
    
>  Yet as just about everyone admits, success on TV is based entirely on who
>gets good ratings and who does not, maybe even more so than radio. Obviously
>the people who watch TV want to hear the "liberals" who are currently on
>the air.
>
    But George, the point is not that people are listening to liberals
    by choice. They are listening to "mainstream" media. People who
    claim to have no political slant.
    
    How many people listen to Dan Rather because he's more liberal than
    Peter Jennings? Probably very few.
    
    Oh...and if it's ratings your intersted in. I understand that more
    Americans watch Entertainment Tonight than all three network newscasts
    combined. (Another sad fact).
    
    						Ed
    
    

RE                      <<< Note 335.29 by DECCXL::VOGEL >>>

>    But George, the point is not that people are listening to liberals
>    by choice. They are listening to "mainstream" media. People who
>    claim to have no political slant.

  What they claim means nothing. If people were put off because the main stream
media were too liberal they'd listen to something else, regardless of what
the people on the air claimed as their label.

>    How many people listen to Dan Rather because he's more liberal than
>    Peter Jennings? Probably very few.

  It's not clear Dan Rather is more liberal than Peter Jennings. They seem
pretty much the same to me.
    
>    Oh...and if it's ratings your intersted in. I understand that more
>    Americans watch Entertainment Tonight than all three network newscasts
>    combined. (Another sad fact).
    
  If that's what people want to watch then that's their choice. The point
I'm trying to make is that the right wing either believes or does not believe
that ratings drive who gets on the air depending on whether or not it fits
their point of view.

  When conservatives outnumber liberals on the radio, that's the people's
choice. When liberals outnumber conservatives on TV (regardless of what
they claim to be), suddenly that's not the people's choice.

  Make up your mind, do ratings drive what gets on the air or not?

  George

    George, let me try again.

    Will you agree that there are two different types of media program,
    one that give news facts, and one that give opinion and commentary
    on the news. In general most programs fit into one of these to
    categories. 

    In general most shows which give opinion and commentary (which includes
    most all talk radio) are either openly conservative, liberal, or have
    a panel of speakers which often contain a mix of liberals and conservatives.
    It has been the experience that liberal only shows do very poorly
    while openly conservative shows do quite well. Programs such
    as these gain ratings largely based upon the opinions of their hosts.

    The problem many on the right is with those program that are supposed
    to give news facts. The claim is that these shows are biased towards
    the left. These show get ratings not based upon the opinions presented
    because the opinions are presented in such a hidden way. 

    You are stating that conservatives want it "both ways". I claim
    that you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare opinion
    shows to news facts shows.

    						Ed    

  I don't think your distinction matters. If people truly wanted unbiased facts
and people were truly conservative, they wouldn't tolerate hearing a constant
liberal spin to the news. They'd write in and complain, someone would attempt
an "unbiased" report (read slanted more to the right), the ratings for that
would go up, and the other networks would follow.

  I think it's more the case that people who commute to work and listen to
their car radios tend to be split conservative and centrist. The conservatives
listen to talk radio, the centrist have their fill of it at night and listen
to music.

  The general population which includes these commuters, housewives and kids
tend to be more left of center which is why they prefer their news that way
at night on TV.

  George

    I prefer not to have any one political believe system crammed down my
    throat day in and day out, I don't care whether I agree with it or not.
    I can't imagine anyone wanting that -- unless they FEEL like a
    political outsider, and need their views justified by hearing them over
    and over again on the radio or TV. 
    
    For talk radio, I prefer "nuetral" programs, like Talk of the Nation.
    Or even more, pure entertainment like "Click and Clack."
    
    I get enough biased review of the news here in the 'Box.
    
    Tom

    
    Who is more liberal, Dan Rather or Peter Jennings?
    
    Reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live skit about the Hispanic quiz
    show, which posed the following question:
    
    Quien es mas macho, Ricardo Montalban o Fernando Lamas?
    
    Quien sabe?
    
    bill

    re: "The MEAT... falls OFF... the BONE!"
    
    Unfortunately, the last time I heard the restaurant ad, he'd
    re-taped either the entire ad or just that line, to tone it down
    a little bit, so it's nowhere near as funny as it used to be.
    Damn...
    
    The same thing happened to the old "I've fallen and I can't get up!"
    ad, a long time ago.  Too bad.
    
    
    re: Quien es mas macho?
    
    Ricardo "Khan" Montalban.  Fernando es mas "pretty".
    
    Chris

    pretty :== linda
    
    nnttm

 I've had all of Claptrap and Witless that I can stand.  I'm even changing
 the setting of my clock radio so I don't have to hear them anymore.  I don't
 know which ticks me off more...those 2 or the constant ads that run..




Jim

    I didn't read the story too closely, but the State of Texas has
    apparently issued a warrant for the arrest of Howard Stern, following
    his disparaging comments about that murdered singer (forgot her
    name, sorry... was it Selena?), and about Spanish-style music
    in general.  The warrant is for "disturbing the peace" and other
    seemingly strange charges that I'll have to go back and look up
    if anyone's interested.  The official issuing the warrant said
    that Stern will be arrested if he ever visits Texas.
    
    To me, Stern is usually in bad taste and/or boring (at least since
    his *old* TV show on WWOR a few years ago), but I didn't know that
    bad taste was now a criminal act.  There's been lots of heat on
    various stations and sponsors to cancel his radio and TV shows as
    well.
    
    Why not just let the free market decide?
    
    Chris

    The charges are the catch-all "disorderly conduct".

    Stern's an ass-orifice, and totally lacks anything resembling
    brains or taste, but he's also got the right to say what he
    says, and is worth defending based on Constitutional principles...

    -b

    
    Seems hypocritical from a state whose Democratic party is sueing the
    Repubs for breaking their "Contract with America".  Strange stuff.
    
    jeff

>    Seems hypocritical from a state whose Democratic party is sueing the
>    Repubs for breaking their "Contract with America".  Strange stuff.


	For what?  The Rebubs did what they said they would - VOTE on the 
issues outlined in the contract in 100 days.

	As for Stern - the phrase that does it for me is "I may disagree
with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

ME

    
    It doesn't have to make sense, Komar.  
    
    jeff

| <<< Note 335.42 by USAT05::BENSON "Eternal Weltanschauung" >>>


| It doesn't have to make sense, Komar.

	Some of your notes prove that....

	the root of all evil, according to el presidente.

	Milady, that's blowing it up a bit, isn't it? He talked about talk
radio being unresponsible sometimes. Here is what is so funny about it all. The
radio people say they don't influence people to do these things, but then turn
around and blame the liberal media for influencing people to be the way they
are. Funny how it only works one way... and their way is the right way. Uh
oh... this might be another Christian topic....

    
    
    
    That's not true, Glen.  People get on the nooz media for not reporting
    the truth and for editorializing what is supposed to be nooz.  Talk
    show hosts are not nooz purveyors and never have been.
    
    And you also said that Clintoon "talked about talk radio being
    unresponsible sometimes".  Perhaps you ought to go back and read what
    he really said, it was much more severe than that.
    
    
    Mike

	Mike, that was the jist of it. I didn't have to read it cuz I heard it
on the tv. And please don't give me this news media not reporting the
truth/editorializing crap. Just what do you think a lot of talk radio does? 



Glen

El Presidente just keeps digging himself a deeper hole and making himself
look more like an idiot when he makes these stupid remarks. If he had an
ounce of sense between his ears he'd ignore talk radio as not being worth
the airwaves it travels on.

 I've come to have a great deal of respect for Charles Adler (WRKO and 
 whatever the call letters are of the TV station he's on).




 Jim

    
    
    Glen,
    
    
    Talk radio=opinion
    
    
    news=reporting facts
    
    
    
    that's how it's supposed to be.

    Glen:
    
    El Presidente said that the bombing was done by radical right winged
    terrorist.  Clinton also stated that the school lunch program was cut
    by the agenda of the radical right.  He said that cutting taxes and the
    republican welfare reform was of the radical right.  Now if A = B and B
    = C, then A = C.  I find his communication skills quite insulting along
    with the rest of his socialist ilk!
    
    -Jack

    Clinton is clearly stuck in the late 1960's and early 1970's, where
    this kind of warped logic was big on campus and actually worked to
    some extent on the rest of the nation before we caught on.  It's
    pitifully simple: first establish a phony association between the
    actual evil and the thing that you wish to portray as a real evil,
    and then invoke guilt by association.
    
    If you have the mind of a teenager, I suppose this goes over real
    big.  If you have a bit more on the ball, it's not only absurd, but
    makes him look even more simple-minded and incompetently manipulative
    than he did before.
    
    He's currently the beneficiary of a temporary credibility as a result
    of the Oklahoma City tragedy.  But he's attempting to cast that net
    so far and spread it so thinly (extending the new hatred of the
    "militia right" to talk shows is bizarre) that he risks becoming
    totally ineffective, as usual.
    
    Chris

    re: .52
    
    No one has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of
    consumers.  I think the same logic is applicable to politics, 
    unfortunately, judging by what I see currently.  The bleating is
    defening, and is constantly reinforced via the left-wing media
    establishment.
    
    
    -steve

	Mike, their opinion is stated like fact, and sends people over the
edge, justifies somes beliefs, does nothing, makes people upset. I think the
can put Clinton in the latter catagory

    	Sounds like soapbox.

>	Mike, their opinion is stated like fact, and sends people over the
>edge, justifies somes beliefs, does nothing, makes people upset. I think the
>can put Clinton in the latter catagory

	The fact remains that it is labelled as OPINION.  News is supposed to
be FACT.

ME

    
    
    Well Glen, The Beatles White Album sends some people over the edge as
    well.......

    Turn me on deadmon.

    re: .54
    
    You mean, like Donahue?

I decided this AM that I've absolutely taken all I can stand of the Liberal
Witch of the Airways, Ms. Claptrap, and have sought and found I-Man. He may
take some getting used to, but I refuse to drive to work shouting obscenities
at that dumb Demo whiner any more.

    Claprood's A BIG MOUTH!!

    
    Er, um, I feel another pot and kettle entry coming on... :-)
    

    I think Ms. Marjorie Craprood does an excellent job
    
    
    
    of serving as a prime example of the ultimate liberal whiner ignoramus.

	Brian, that was too funny!

 Chuck Adler is out of the 7-10PM slot on WRKO..

 The 2 chicks, Lori Kramer and Leslie Gold are in..




 (Lucky Jack oughta love that).




 Jim

> (Lucky Jack oughta love that).

	why - because they're women?  they're liberals?  what?

  and btw, they spell it "chiks", if i'm not mistaken.

	Chiklettes, to be more exact. :-)

I've actually only heard the 2 chiks a few times on Saturday AMs. Other
than the fact that they occasionally seem to discuss issues which seem
rather inane (I don't really care how they put on their makeup), I don't 
have much of an opinion about them, other than that I dislike their bantering
style, which reminds me of the Nora Dunne/Jan Hooks singing Whatstheirname
sisters on Saturday Night Live (from which I assume they stole the idea). 

Sorry to hear Chuck's gone. I rather liked him. I assume that the simulcast
clot on channel 68 is now free as well, then.

But, actually, that's not a prime listening hour for me, anyway.

I like Chuck Adler.

Is he there atleast few of times a week..? or is he completely gone..?

Hmm. all good things come to an end!

-Jk

 I think Chuck Adler will be a fill-in guy and it was mentioned in the
 report I read that he may be in WRKO's weekend plans.  As far as I 
 know his TV show is still on, but at 4PM rather than 8 to allow for
 Red Sox fiascos..er, games.



 I liked Adler as well, and while I enjoy listening to the chiks on Saturday
 AM once in a while, I'm a bit disappointed that Adler is gone.



 Jim

I asked Howie about this last Saturday nite at the Newbridge 
Cafe.

Adler was getting killed in the ratings because most people that 
would be in his audience tune to Brudnoy.

So RKO counters with a show for the mindless crowd. 

Levy is gone as well. Thankfully.

daryll

   Adler's an egomaniacal dweeb.  Good riddance.

Ditto Di.

>>Adler was getting killed in the ratings because most people that 
>>would be in his audience tune to Brudnoy.

I was just about to say this. He is the only other talk show host in Boston,
who comes close to Brudnoy, in talking sense and calling a spade a spade.
Of late I liked Adler more than Brudnoy because of the kind of more down-to
-earth topics he pulls in, and his sarcastic sense of humour.

>>So RKO counters with a show for the mindless crowd. 

	Howie Carr tops the list..!

>>Levy is gone as well. Thankfully.

Phyllis Levy ..? Why do they have an old granny as sex talk host..? -): 
Anyway good riddence

	Adler is someone who I tried watching his tv show once. I didn't get
very far. 

  .76  the sweater-vests have _got_ to go.  eesh.  totally dweebish.

> Adler is someone who I tried watching his tv show once.

Anybody know a good parsometer repair shop?

	Maybe that is why he wears them???

> > Adler is someone who I tried watching his tv show once.
> 
> Anybody know a good parsometer repair shop?
    
    "Adler is someone who I tried, watching his tv show once."
    
    In this scenario, Adler was in the room with him while they were both
    watching his pre-taped show.  This probably works better if Glen happens
    to be a judge, or someone who does litigious things like that.
    
    Chris

>Adler was getting killed in the ratings because most people that 
>would be in his audience tune to Brudnoy.

There I go again, failing to fit in.

Everytime I tune in to Brudnoy I think he's reading fairy tales at
someone's bedside. He doesn't have the sort of radio voice that gets
one incensed about the issues.

Chuck Adler, on the other hand, has the sort of voice that can really get
you fired up about the issues.

	Not only does Adler get his facts bungled up and misconstrue what
	his callers are saying, but often, if they disagree with him, he
	insults them and cuts them off.  Williams is a real winner when it
	comes to that too.  They could both take some lessons from Carr on
	how to argue with people without making it sound like your manhood's
	at stake.

At least Chuck makes the Claptrap and Witless show a lot more interesting
when he sits in for Witless.

>Everytime I tune in to Brudnoy I think he's reading fairy tales at
>someone's bedside.

Hey, there's no reason to bring up his sexual preference.

>At least Chuck makes the Claptrap and Witless show a lot more interesting
>when he sits in for Witless.

	that's not too tough.

    According to the I-man, Howard Stern is now aired in Boston, haven't
    found him yet, but then I've not been looking for Stern, either...
    
    WBCN or WFNX, my guess...

BCN early AM slot where Laquidera (sp?) used to be.

    
    I swear... I don't understand why you folks put yourselves through
    these gyrations and stresses by listening to these people...
    
    
    Is it some kind of S&M thing????
    

  if i wanted to be masochistic, i'd listen to "smooth jazz".

    It's like eating a live toad for breakfast, since nothing worse 
    should happen to you for the rest of the day.
    
    

I haven't listened to talk radio since the days of Joe Pyne.  My brother
was a fan, and I sometimes listened in for laughs.

    di's groovin' to kenny g!

   .92  that's cruel and unusual.  and not particularly
	comely, i might add.

    sorry.  i'm simply overcomely by the man and his muzak.

| <<< Note 335.81 by MOLAR::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>



| Everytime I tune in to Brudnoy I think he's reading fairy tales 

	He just may be doing that, Jack!

    
    91.
    
    Joe Pyne? 
    
    What a blast from the past!  I seem to think he had a TV show, yes?

    
    
    Bonnie,
    
     You have to realize that Di has a long memory and wanted to throw in
    that subtle dig about me liking smooth jazz..
    
     Like any other sort of music, it can be overplayed and the songs can
    get to the "gak" stage.
    
      There are some nice songs by Kenny G. that you don't hear over and
    over and they are easy to listen to. Same with Sade... although most of
    the artists are not as well known as these...
    
     I get enough stress here at work to meet deadlines, I don't need to
    get pre-stressed on my way to work. I tend to take the back roads and
    will stop at a pond/swamp/field to check out the birds and take the
    occasional photo.. whilst listening to smooth jazz, of course... ;)
    

   Oph's memory is clearly just as long.

    oops.  i snagged the kenny g comment outta the air
    just to rib di a little.  that was my full intention;
    no animus involved.

    
			  (__)
                          (00)
                   /-------\/ 
                  / |     || \ 
                 *  ||W---|| Snarf. 
                    ~~    ~~  

    

>So RKO counters with a show for the mindless crowd. 

 OK!!




>Levy is gone as well. Thankfully.


  Indeed.

>   Adler's an egomaniacal dweeb.  Good riddance.


  I liked him for a while, but recently I've begun to feel just about the
 same.



Jim

  I heard Witless use the "S" word (preceding comments were blanked out) when
  arguing with Claptrap yesterday morning.  From what I gathered he was
  telling Claptrap what he suspected she was full of..



 Jim

 Sounds like Witless is leaving WRKO and Claptrap may not be too far behind..



 Jim

    
    you love them, jim.  admit it.

    does claptrap trap clap?

 rrrrrrrright.

The fact that Claprood (and others of her ilk, and they're not all 
females) garners repute makes me wonder what in the hell I'm doing 
wrong that I couldn't pay her taxes.

Depressing,
Peet

 Tom Irwin (formerly known as Tai on WFNX [never heard him]) will replace
 Witless on WRKO..the new program to be called "Claptrap and company".

 
 

Morning Guy Tai will be leaving WFNX??? Bummer...