Conference 7.286::sports_91

    Oh yeah, I feel obligated to let you all know that over in the Giants
    note there is majority agreement that the Giants receivers wouldn't
    even make the Jets and that the Giants offense is boring.
    
    Dan pointed this out to the Giants fans, and they overwhelmingly
    agreed.
    
    gotta go delete this conference from my notebook now....bye...
    
    JoJ

Relax folks...

JoJ has just been drinking some of that fine Jersey water again.

He'll be his old self again shortly, when he puts on his Village
People 8-tracks, and his Scorpions cassettes!  8^)

'Saw

>    I'd like to encourage all the read only noters, who we all know are
>    avid Jets fans, to participate in this topic even if they choose to
>    RON elsewhere. 
    
    Jets sip discreetly.
    
    RON elsewhere Sid

       Hey JoJ, how's the fambly?
                                    Denny

    Hi Denny,
    
    Fambly doing just fine....btw, Pats looked good this year, huh?
    
    
    JoJ

    
    Wardle! You skinna' where the heck have you been. Geesh without
    you and JD in here I feel less of a typical Boston fan every day.
    It's enough to break a poor guys heart! 
    
    
    Steve

    Put the Jets on the back burner for a while JoJ...how 'bout 
    them Pirates?
    
    
    py

>>    Put the Jets on the back burner for a while JoJ...how 'bout 
>>    them Pirates?
>>    py
    
    Hey Paul...can I fire up the Jets discussions now? Pirates had a great
    run, got stomped in the end unfortunately.
    
    Now, it's almost NFL draft day, and the Jets don't have a first round
    pick. The question is, was Rob Moore worth it? I think so.
    
    JoJ

    Moore was definitely worth it.  If he were coming out this year, he'd
    be a top 3 pick.  Also, the positions the Jets need help this year,
    offensive and defensive linemen, are thin at the high end, meaning the
    Jets aren't losing much by taking either of those positions in the 2nd
    round.
    
    Dan

�    Moore was definitely worth it.  


If Moore is on the Jets, believe Dan, he's All World.  

Mind you, he won't be wearing a Champeenship Ring for a while, and
will heinously be overlooked by the Pro Bowl selection committee, (like
their All World Wide Receivers) but take it from me....He's
ALL WORLD.....

[many 8^)]

'Saw

    Frank,
    
    I'm not sure if you are serious with your comments in .11 or if you are
    being sarcastic. Clearly the Jets receivers deserved to make the pro
    bowl...I thought you admitted to that. 
    
    You aren't doubting Dan's word when it comes to the Jets, are you?
    
    C'mon, tell me the truth, were you serious in that last reply (meaning
    you do believe Dan when it comes to the Jets receivers) or were you
    just kidding around?
    
    JoJ

Well, JoJ, I know both you and Dan.

Dan is a man of integrity, he's fun to party with, and he likes the
Jets.

You're a man of somewhat less integrity (lose a point for vaning dude)
but you're fun to party with and you like the Jets.

Unfortunately, I just can't bring myself to believe the Jets WR corps
is all world.  I mean, where's the proof.  Surely, if they are all
world, they must have some proof?

Where's the Proof!

FrankWa

[many 8^)]

    But, Frank, I just looked in my dictionary under "Wide Receiver" and
    there was a picture of Al Toon. It then said, "for more info, loo under
    'Wesley Walker'".
    
    Rich\
    

YU R TOO BLAM RICH TOO BLAM!

    Frank, mere observation under game conditions will be all the proof you 
    need so see that the Jets receivers are All-World.
    
    JoJ
    
    PS - I am not a vane. Especially when it comes to football. I'm a true
    green Jets fan.....it's just that once they get eliminated, I adopt a
    team for the playoffs.
    

�    green Jets fan.....it's just that once they get eliminated, I adopt a
�    team for the playoffs.
 
	It's happened so many times you must be pretty good at adopting 
teams now JoJ.  You would make a pretty good "foster football family".

				/Don   

    
>    PS - I am not a vane. Especially when it comes to football. I'm a true
>    green Jets fan.....it's just that once they get eliminated, I adopt a
>    team for the playoffs.
    

 Which usually happens to be ABTG!!!!!!!!!!

 ;^)

 mike

>    PS - I am not a vane. Especially when it comes to football. I'm a true
>    green Jets fan.....it's just that once they get eliminated, I adopt a
>    team for the playoffs.

and when that team gets eliminated he adopts another team for the rest of the
playoffs....

and when that team gets eliminated he adopts another team for the rest of the
playoffs....

and when that team gets eliminated he adopts another team for the rest of the
playoffs....

and when that team gets eliminated he adopts another team for the rest of the
playoffs....

until eventually JoJ always ends up rooting for the winning team !!!


It's amazing 


:-)


Metz

    >But, Frank, I just looked in my dictionary under "Wide Receiver" and
    >there was a picture of Al Toon. It then said, "for more info, loo under
    >'Wesley Walker'".
    
    Gee, I must have an old copy.  Mine has pictures of Ed Bell and Derrick
    Gaffney...

    JOJ changes team hats so fast, he's got skid marks on his forehead!
    
    lEe  :*)

He's worn the velcro out on his WardleVAne(tm) hat.

I've heard he's talking with 3m about making a new industrial
strength velcro for SERIOUS vaners.....

'Saw

    This past season I ended up rooting for the Bills in the bowl, so I
    didn't end up with the winning team....that kills that theory.
    
    FWIW, the only teams I won't root for, under any circumstances, are...
    
    The Giants, Cowboys, Rams, KC Royals, Dodgers, and Mets. It hurts to 
    root for the Red Sox, but the year they played the Mets in the Series I
    had to root for them. It hurts to root for G'town, but I did when they
    played UNLV.
    
    But, my most favorite teams are:
    
    Yankees, A's, Cubs....in that order in baseball
    Jets, Lions, Raiders....in that order in Football
    Seton Hall, St. Johns, the Big East, Duke, NC, the ACC....in that order
    DEVILS, Flyers, Canadians, Bruins...then who cares
    Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, no other NBA teams
    
    So as you can see, I'm quite loyal to my teams.
    
    JoJ

 I thought that the Minesota Twins were your second favorite team after the
 Yankees?

 ;^)

mike

    re .27:
    
    Mike, I think you may be thinking of Spud...
    
    
    py

 No Paul, I remember Spud and miss him. JoT will come clean give him time..
 ;^)

 mike

    Mike, you're thinking of 1987....during that season, the Twins were my
    nexted favorite team after the Yankees...this is 1991.
    
    JOj

    JoJ,
    
    Small nit....
    
    Its the CanadiEns, not Canadians.

    re.31
    
    do you think JoJ will really CARE??????  (8^)*  (8^0
    
    JaKe
    

    re: .22
    
>>>    Son of BROKENRECORD.COM?
    
    Doesn't that make it a virus? ;-)
    
    Commander Scott                             

>>    JoJ,
>>    
>>    Small nit....
>>    
>>    Its the CanadiEns, not Canadians.
    
    Sorry, I must have thought I was over in the Brooooonzzz note where
    people have trouble spelling their own names.
    
    JoJ

    See what good thought did ya!!! 8^)

    Kevin Arnold has a picture of Joe Willie Namath on his bedroom wall.  I
    knew there was something I like about that kid...
    
    Dan

    Kevin Arnold is most excellent. He also frequently wears his Jets
    jacket. What's not to like about that kid...?
    
    JoJ

    >Kevin Arnold is most excellent. He also frequently wears his Jets
    >jacket. What's not to like about that kid...?
    
    Poor decision making in the clutch.  He shoulda dumped Winnie and gone
    for the girl who'll need a bra someday!
    
    Dan

    But in one episode last year, Winnie Cooper layed into him something
    good during one of their spats.  She said, "...and you're always
    wearing that stupid Jets jacket.  You've never even been to a Jets
    game.  You don't even know who plays for them!"
    
    	--dan'l

    > Poor decision making in the clutch.  He shoulda dumped Winnie and gone
    > for the girl who'll need a bra someday!
    
    Got that right!  In a later episode the girl's fawning all over him at
    a party and the moron goes soft and tells her off.  I haven't felt good
    about the show since...
    
    But, hey, that's just like his idol, Joe Willie.  One brief dance and
    it's over.  Nexted thing you know he's married, got a kid, and is
    apologizing for the Patriots in a network PR capacity.
    
    glenn
    

Amen.  He shoulda gone for the hot babe, who by the way, was
a guest star on that show that comes on Parker Lewis.

Hot babe, VERY hot, in fact, I'm getting all tingly down there....


Sha-WING!


'Saw

    Kevin Arnold is a wuss, plain and simple.  
    
    
    JD

    
    Couldn't agree with you more JD. The wuss in question couldn't 
    even get up enuff noive to lick some chocolate mousse of of
    Madeline's finger in lasted nights rerun. What a wuss!!!!!!
    Madeline is hot for a 13 year old and he wuss's out for that
    pris Winnie. What a goob.
    
    
    Steve

The chick that plays Madeline is actually 20 years old.

That makes Kevin an even bigger Wuss if he didn't drop Super Cooper for a 20
year old knockout :-)

My wife really gets on my case when I watch the show and say things like "drop
Winnie..go for the chick with the knockers!!!!!!"

Spoiler warning....don't read past this if you haven't kept current with the 
show.....


Winnie dumps Kevin later on for some dude in her school. And Kevin still doesn't
go after madeline.....What a total wussy.....


Metz

Oooh, it makes me feel funny down there, like when I climb the ropes
in gym class......

> My wife really gets on my case when I watch the show and say things like "drop
> Winnie..go for the chick with the knockers!!!!!!"
    
    I was doing something similar, commenting on the girl's amazing ability 
    to raise one eyebrow (what a_actress!), and my wife had the nerve to
    actually say, "You know, she's really not that good looking".  I
    responded, "Yeah, right, and I wonder what you looked like in the
    eighth grade...", and, voila, that was the last I had to deal with 
    her all evening!
    
    glenn
    

    Ah Glenn,
    	The Master of the put-down. How does I ask thees delicately.
    Was thine libido wanting for a period of time as a result?
    
    MikeL    (mucho smileys )
    
    

    I'll be updating my Jets list soon, if you have any friends, family
    members, or giants fans that should be on the Jets Newsletter
    distribution, just lemme know.
    
    JoJ
    
    PS - Kevin is not a wuss. He just doesn't get any direction from his
    older and less mature brother.

    
    Put me on the Jest dist. list, JoJ.  I can't live without reading about
    my hero, Tony Eason.
    
    BTW, effective April 1 my new node will be JETSIP::DHAMEL.  Be sure to
    send it there.
    
    Dickstah
    

 Alright, A "Wonder Years" clique.  Easily my favorite show ... the only
 one on my list that's truly a "must see" at all costs.
 
 I have faith in Kevin but maybe it's because Madeline is so incredibly hot
 looking for a junior high kid that I want her to become a series regular. 
 I love how he gets the Cliff Claven brain cramp syndrome whenever she says
 something to him especially in French.
 
 Wayne is my favorite character, hands down.   They usually only give him
 about 15 or 30 seconds on screen in each episode but he's the focal point
 of every second he's there.   I had seen last night's episode when it
 first ran a few months back and last night I anxiously waited for his one
 and only spot where he snatches the "Kevin Amold" bracelet from him and
 then falls over laughing.  Great stuff.
 
 And the way they portray the teachers is hilarious, too.  The incredibly
 morose and gloomy science teacher from "Ferris Bueller" is a riot and last
 night when he showing black widow spider films while Kevin was wondering
 how best to tell Winnie his original bracelet was lost was classic.
 
 And the French teacher last night, too.  Didn't you just want to smack
 her ???  She was perfect with that sick happy smile and the "Bonjour, la
 class" greeting.   And Cutlip the Marine Corps gym teacher gets me
 rolling everytime he's on, too.
 
 Great great show.  Best on the tube.  Madeline is a stone fox and Winnie
 can have the other kid at Lincoln for all I care.  I'm rooting for Kevin
 and Madeline big time.  Although she will be quite the challenge for the
 young lad.
 
 Bob Hunt

I know, I know, we should discuss "Wonder Years" in the Junk Note, but I just 
caint resist.

I love the show too, mostly because I was the same age at the same time in the 
show.  Wayne is the recreation of my best friend's brother, right down to the 
"fighting" scene in the opening credits.

RE: hot babe

Kevin was thinking long term here.  He knows that a 15 year old with hooters like
that will be chunky by the time she is a senior in HS.  Winnie on the other hand
has the long term babe potential!

=Bob=

    First of all, this is my topic and any discussion regarding "The Wonder
    Years" is welcome. AFter all, Kevin is a Jets fan.
    
    Now, there has been some grass roots lobbying to change the name of
    GiantsMania to JETSmania. Since I'm buying the tickets at group sales,
    I'll gladly give them the new name. Great idea guys...
    
    Joj

>    Now, there has been some grass roots lobbying to change the name of
>    GiantsMania to JETSmania. Since I'm buying the tickets at group sales,
>    I'll gladly give them the new name. Great idea guys...
    

JoJ

Why don't we just call it YUPPIEmania, since you're running it.

Or maybe we could call it DISCOmania, and we could all show up in
leisure suits.  I'm sure the Smithsonian would rent us some, and you
could just pull yours out of mothballs...

8^)

'Saw

PS  Hey, the Scorps are coming around in concert.  I know you don't
    wanna miss it....

 Guys, let's not dismiss this Jetsmania grass roots thing just yet...

 I mean think of all the comic avenues it would open up for display on 
 the rest of the shirt....

 mike

    Hawk, Sugar Ray is innocent. They made him say those things. In fack,
    it could have been Shaughnessy dressed up as Sugar Ray...how many
    plates were stacked on his butt?
    
    JoJ

    Well, I think the Jets made a good choice with their first pick. They
    need to continue the youth movement and with Kenny O'Brien probably
    having only a couple more pro-bowl type years ahead of him, a top notch
    QB was an excellent choice.
    
    JoJ

    It's good the kid'll have a few years behind Kenny to learn the "duck
    down into the rush" technique whilst being sacked.
    
    NAZZ

    So they have Eason, O'Brien, Ryan, Schonert and Nagel?

    Nope.  Pat Ryan doesn't play there anymore.  They have Troy Taylor, who
    was a rookie last year.  Also in the past year or two they've had Kyle
    Mackey.
    
    John

    >So they have Eason, O'Brien, Ryan, Schonert and Nagel?
    
    Ryan was cut a year ago.  Eason is a free agent who the Jets won't
    touch.  I don't think Mackey has been with the team for a year.
    
    Besides O'Brien, Shonert and Nagel, the Jets have Troy Taylor, last
    year's 4th rounder.  SUpposedly O'Brien and Taylor will battle for #1
    this year, but that was before Shonert entered the picture.  I don't
    know what the plans are for him, but if he stays with the team I
    imagine it will be for insurance in case of injury.
    
    Dan

    Typical Dick Steinberg draft - pick somebody for the position that
    you're deepest at.  Hello, Hart Less Dykes.
    
    Youse Jests fans will rue the day that loser became your GM.
    
    NAZZ

    Which position are you referring to, Nazz?  The ones they are deepest
    at are WR and RB.  They took a few RBs deeper in the draft, but the
    went for the QB with their second round (1st) pick, and mostly
    concentrated on the defense, where they need people.  3 DBs in a row at
    one point, and I can't argue with that.
    
    Dan
    
    

    They are four deep at QB, and take a QB with their top pick, and
    he's not even the QB that Steinberg was drooling over (Favre).
    
    I was afraid they were gonna take Jesse Campbell from NC State,
    who I thought would be perfect for them.
    
    Steinberg has a history of destroying a team.  Just look what he
    did to the Pats.  His pathetic drafts of the mid-80's left them where
    they are now, rebuilding the worst team in the league.  I'm just
    thrilled he got a job with an AFC-East rival, so he can destroy them.
    
    NAZZ

    >They are four deep at QB, and take a QB with their top pick, and
    >he's not even the QB that Steinberg was drooling over (Favre).
    
    Marinovich was the first QB on the Jets list.  I don't see 4 deep
    either.  Kenny O can't keep having these pro-bowl quality seasons
    forever, Troy Taylor is an unproven second year player who I'd like to
    see develop but the odds aren't with him, Turk Shonert is a recent
    addition to the team and has only been a capable backup through his 10
    NFL years.  That's only 3 guys, and their is definitely a need to
    develop a future long term starter.
    
    >Steinberg has a history of destroying a team.  Just look what he
    >did to the Pats.
    
    Not that every draft was a great success, but Steinberg had a lot more
    wins than losses as far as that goes.  It was the Sullivans that did in
    the Pats, not Dick Steinberg.  Steinberg developed the reputation in LA
    and then NE of having a fine eye for talent.  I'm quite pleased with
    what he's done with the Jets.
    
    Dan                          

    Here we go again - time to debunk the Dick Steinberg myth.
    
    I've done this in the Patriots note, but I'll be glad to do it
    here for those of you not in the NE note.
    
    Here are the people Steinberg took in the first three rounds of
    the NFL draft, plus the pathetic trades he made during his tenure:
    
    1981:  #1 (19th) Brian Holloway OT- a useless tub of goo
    	   #2 (47th) Tony Collins RB - decent until nose candy problems
    	   #3 - traded for Chuck Foreman UNBELIEVABLY BAD DEAL!!!!
    Rating for 1981 Draft:  D
    
    1982:  #1 (1st) Kem Sims DT - may have been OK player without injuries
    	   #1 (27th) Lester Williams DE - total bust
    	   #2 (40th) Robert Weathers RB - rarely played, cut after 2 years
    THIS GUY WAS A TYPICAL STEINBERG PICK 6-4, 235 GREAT PHYSICAL SPECIMEN.
    ONLY TROUBLE WAS HE COULDN'T PLAY FOOTBALL.  BUT HE LOOKED GREAT ON THE
    COMPUTER!!!
    	   #2 (41st) Andre Tippett LB - great football player
    	   #2 (55th) Darryl Haley OT - complete washout, cut after 3 years
    	   #3 (56th) Cedric Jones WR - clutch receiver; decent career
    	   #3 (60th) Clayton Weishuhn LB - would've been great; knee injury
    Rating for 1982 Draft:  C (But with so many high picks, it should
    have been an A easily - half the picks were complete losers)
    
    1983:  #1 (15th) Tony Eason QB - ahead of Dan Marino
    	   #2 (47th) Darryal Wilson WR - WHO???? Never made one appearance
    	   #3 (74th) Stephen Starring WR - played 4 yrs; never learned plays
    	   #3 (80th) Steve Moore OT - good player 'til weight problem
    Rating for 1983 Draft:  D+
    
    1984:  #1 (1st) Irving Fryar WR - no comment
    	   #2 (43rd) Ed Williams LB - marginal talent, rarely played
    	   #3 (70th) Jonathan Williams RB - WHO????? never played a down
    Rating for 1984 Draft:  D-
    
    1985:  #1 (16th) Traded to San Francisco for 28th and 56th picks
    	   San Francisco took Jerry Rice.  This could be worst trade in
           the history of the NFL.
    	   #1 (28th) Trevor Matich C - nice guy, couldn't block a lick
    	   #2 (48th) Garin Veris DE - nice player, but always getting hurt
    	   #2 (52nd) Jim Bowman DB - marginal player, never a starter
    	   #2 (56th) Ben Thomas DE - lasted one season, cut
    	   #3 (79th) to San Francisco, part of previous deal
    	   #3 (84th) Audrey McMillen DB - never made team
    Rating for 1985 Draft:  F
    
    1986:  #1 (26th) Reggie Dupard RB - almost total bust; Neil Anderson
    of Chicago was the next player taken in draft - nice choice, Dick!!!
    	   #2 (42nd) (from Seattle for Bob Cryder) Mike Ruth NT - a bust
    	   #2 (54th) Vencie Glenn DB - cut in training camp, starter for
    three or four years with Chargers
    	   #3 forfeited by coach Ron Meyer's stashing player on IR
    Rating for 1986 Draft:  F
    
    1987:  #1 (23rd) Bruce Armstrong OT - excellent selection
    	   #2 (50th) traded as part of deal for Sean Farrell
    	   #3 (79th) Bob Perryman FB - pervert, loser, cut in mid-season
    Rating for 1987 Draft:  C
    
    1988:  #1 (17th) John Stephens RB - one good season out of three
    	   #2 (43rd) Vincent Brown LB - great body and potential, few results
    	   #3 (69th) Tom Rehder OT - never started, lost in Plan B
    Rating for 1988 Draft:  C-
    
    1989:  #1 (16th) Hart Lee Dykes WR - overrated, won't go over middle
    	   #2 (43rd) Eric Coleman DB - never started, longshot to make team
    	   #3 (63rd) Marv Cook TE - turned into a decent player
    	   #3 (79th) Chris Gannon DE - never played a down
    Rating for 1989 Draft:  C
    
    Out of 35 players selected by Steinberg in the first three rounds of
    the NFL Draft (including 11 first rounders, two of which were the #1
    selection in the country), I've counted three whose careers were
    severely impacted by injury (Weishuhn, Moore, Veris), eight decent
    players (Collins, Sims, Jones, Fryar, Stephens, Brown, Cook, Dykes),
    and only two outstanding Pro-Bowl types (Tippett, Armstrong).
    
    That is an abominable record, one Steinberg should be ashamed of.
    
    NAZZ
    
    	   

    Gannon was resigned as a Plan B free agent last year and was placed on
    the Physically Unable to Perform list on August 28.  This was after
    he'd played the 1989 season for San Diego after being in the Patriots
    last cut in 1989.  Gannon was reactivated on November 6 of last year. 
    He played in the last 6 games of the year and started the last two. 
    His only official stat came against the Redskins.  He was the long
    snapper on punts.  On our second offensive possession (after the Skins
    returned a fumble for a TD during our first possession) he snapped the
    ball over punter Brian Hansen's head and out of the end zone for a
    safety.  He was credited with a rush for no yards and a fumble.
    
    John

re: .69

Excellent Note NAZZ.

The Pats paid for the years that you mentioned last season (and the one before).
There is almost always sommeone chosen after the Pats pick that it didn't take 
a genius to see would be better (i.e. Richmond Webb).

=Bob=

�    I've done this in the Patriots note, but I'll be glad to do it
�    here for those of you not in the NE note.
    
    And as I've said in the Patriots' conference, you are looking at this
    completely out of context with what happened around those picks, the
    crapshoot the NFL draft represents, and letting some dislike of
    individual players cloud your objectivity.
    
    Steinberg was supposed to be clairvoyent and predict the injuries of
    Simms, Weisuhn, and others?  Many other players were picked ahead of
    Dan Marino in the '83 draft so to fault him for that is reaching.
    
    What's the average success rate of the NFL draft?

    Well, Nazz, you've got a lot of sour grapes you've been chewing on.
    Right off the top, let's look at how you graded the 1981 draft as a
    prime example.
    
    >#1 Holloway, #2 Collins, #3 traded.
    
    With a relatively low pick in the draft he took a player that developed
    into a pro bowler and followed up with a 1000 yard rusher.  Sure
    neither sustained success, but you are not going to name me one NFL GM,
    coach or scout who was going to predict that when these guys were 21
    years old.
    
    Nazz rates that draft a D.  If your favorite general manager on earth
    picked a pro bowl offensive lineman and later a 1000 yard rusher, you'd
    be doing hand stands and calling it an A, or B+ on the outside.
    
    Similarly a draft where deep in round 2, Andre Tippett is plucked, you
    give him a C.  Any draft which unearths a largely unknown Andre Tippett
    is not an average draft, my friend.
    
    I only have one year to judge him on the Jets.  He took Blair Thomas in
    the first round, who should be a starting HB for the next 7 years or
    so, Reggie Rembert as the #2 who was regarded as a steal, Tony Stargell
    in #3 who started right away and should be there for years to come, and
    a number of other useful players who not only made the team but some
    like Terance Mathis and Dwayne White, played big roles.  Then he took
    Moore in the supplemental which was a brilliant move, not only looking
    ahead to this years relatively weak draft, but he could afford to trade
    away Rembert for a starting LB and OT from Cinci.
    
    The Jets had one of the best drafts in football last year.  When you
    look at how other teams do in these things, and then take a look at the
    Patriots selections without the jaded viewpoint, you'll see there was a
    good reason that the Pats were known in the mid to late 80s as having
    some of the best talent in football.
    
    Dan

    re .71:
    
    >  What's the average success rate of the NFL draft?
    
    I believe someone recently said in another topic that half of all  
    first-round picks become starters.  
    
    Given that, over 1/3 (13 of 35) of your picks in the *first three* rounds
    becoming solid players seems like an OK percentage to me.
                                                       
    
    py

    OK - this is the last time I debate this.
    
    1) Steinberg's first trade - a #3 pick for Chuck Foreman in 1981 - was
       an unmitigated disaster.
    
    2) In 1982, Steinberg had seven choices in the first three rounds.
       Only ONE, Tippett, became a regular.  Four of the seven were OUT
       OF THE LEAGUE within four years.  I think a C for that draft was
       more than fair.
    
    3) In 1983, after taking Eason, he takes another of his computer
       printout perfect players Darryal Wilson as a WR in middle of
       second round.  Wilson was very fast, but had no clue how to run
       a pass route and was cut before ever playing an NFL game.
    
    4) The 1985 trade of draft picks (NE #1 for SF #1 and #2) turned into
       the Pats trading Jerry Rice for Trevor Matich and Ben Thomas.
    
    5) In 1986, he took Reggie Dupard ahead of Neal Anderson, who was the
       next player selected.  Anderson's an All-pro, Dupard's a reject.
    
    6) Of all the players drafted by Steinberg (not just those in rounds
       1-3) only six ever made the pro bowl:  Collins (1), Holloway (2),
       Marion (1), Stephens (1), Armstrong (1), and Tippett (5).  Only 
       Tippett (and perhaps Armstrong) has showed the consistent high
       quality play that one expects of a Pro-Bowl caliber player.
    
    The bottom line is that Steinberg did a consistently bad job for
    several seasons, and the pathetic depths that that Patriots fell to 
    are testimony to his handiwork.
    
    NAZZ

    hey Nazz, I absolutely agree with one of your points....
    
    The Pats are pathetic.
    
    Joj

    Hi fans...I just got the latest issue of "Jet Stream" magazine....the
    official publication of the NY Jets.
    
    This issue has a draft review. I think the Jets drafted well...all
    Communications majors. I think they make up the bulk of the NFL
    players, right?
    
    Browning Nagle is being billed as the next Jim Kelly. 3rd rounder Mo
    Lewis is a cousin of Joe Greene...and good friends with Richard Dent.
    Therefore, he must be good....he's hangin out with the right people.
    
    The Jets 6th rounder is a RB with a Don King haircut. Steinberg says
    that tackling him is like trying to hit a fly with a
    sledgehammer...whatever that means.
    
    Also, my 9 month old son has mastered the Jets 3rd down cheer....he
    know says "Uh Oh"...
    
    JoJ

    	Just have my 12 bottles of Samuel Adams up here by Xmas Jim.

JoJ --

While you know that only in the direst of situations would I *ever* cheer
for the Jets, I'd really love to see your sun when he's mastered the
Little Teapot-JESTS(tm) cheer....

8^),
'Saw

PS  Say hi to Gerry for me....

>>I'd really love to see your sun when he's mastered the
>>Little Teapot-JESTS(tm) cheer....
    
    sun??? Frankwa, that's very uncharacteristic of you...he is very bright
    though.
    
    He loves the little teapot song. He laughs whenever Dan sings it to
    him.
    
    JoJ

>    Also, my 9 month old son has mastered the Jets 3rd down cheer.
    
    You mean runs from the shotgun formation?  Most 9 month olds cain do
    that.
    
    Mark.

Hahahahahaa....

I can't believe *I* made a typo.  Well, at least I didn't mess up any
apostrophes....

See, actually what I got mixed up was the Old English word "sunu" (from
the German "sohn") and our present day word "son"...

It's tough when you get into that Old English mode and forget get out....

8^)


'Saw

    
    Jests 3rd down cheer, at least with the nose picker..
    
    Rah! Rah! Rah? Lets fool em with the draw!
    It's only 3rd and twenty, and we sip through a straw!
    
    
    
    Steve

    Any of you Jets fans have any info on a reserved DL by the name of
    Beach?  I understand the Pats picked him up for future considerations.

    I got a chance to see the Jets play Saturday night I was impressed
    with their new Quarter back.  The team also looked pretty good
    in other areas.  They will do better then the Pats this year.
    I predict a spit when they play Dolphin, Bills,and Colts.
    
    A JETFANFOREVER
    John 

    
    	So, did everybody receive their "waste of electrons" yet?
    
    	Claybone

Wouldn't be Football season wifout it...

Seems to me JoJ is trying out some new electron covalent bonding scheme....

(a little quantum humor there, heh, heh, heh)


'SAW

    
  >   They will do better then the Pats this year.
    
    Gee, John, you really went out on a limb to predict this, huh?
    
    
    >I predict a spit when they play Dolphin, Bills,and Colts.
     
    I predict a mighty slippery field.
    
    8^)  8^)
    
    Dickstah
                  

    Damn, who the H*ll woke JOJ up?  :*)
    
    lEe

    This morning's USA Today reports that Troy Taylor will get the start at
    QB in Saturday's game against the Giants.  
    
    
    py

       I noticed that JoJ didn't mention the Jest cutting Tony Eason. Could
    it be that he's just covering himself for when they have to bring him
    back?
                                     Denny
    Jets sip!
    

    Hey - I didn't get a copy.  I musta won the lottery!!!
    
    JD

 well LeE, it certainly wasn't the Yankees that woke Jo* up....

 ;^)

    JD, how'd I miss you...hmm, don't worry, I'll go back and double check
    the distribution list and make sure you're on it.
    
    BTW - Lufay didn't read his copy. Could you guys all send him an extra
    one. It's CARROL::LEFEBVRE.
    
    He was so upset that he didn't read it, he called me a douchebag.
    
    JoJ

    Whats the starting backfield gonna look like this year? Blair Thomas
    and Brad Baxter???
    
    Kenn

    Probably. I think McNeil will get some playing time as well.
    
    Baxter played pretty well last year, and if Blair Thomas stays healthy
    there's no telling what they can accomplish.
    
    I wonder how long they're gonna go with Kenny O at QB before they give
    Nagle the nod.
    
    JoJ

�    Probably. I think McNeil will get some playing time as well.
    
    Yeah, about a games worth - just like every other season in his career.

    Hey Mac, check his stats from lasted year...no injuries. The Jets
    finally figured out that they can't send him off tackle every play
    without getting him injured.
    
    JoJ

    I was listening to WFAN Wed. Morning and they had on Dick Steinberg.
    For those of you who don't know GM for the Jets. He was saying that the
    backfield looks to be strong this year and hinted that Blair and Brad
    are the starting lineup. Hector and Mcneil will be used but they will
    probably stay with the 2 primary boys. They are expecting alot from 
    blair and Brad was a nice surprise last year and is expected to spot
    Blair when he needs a break. Jets were forth last year in the league in
    rushing and that was with out Blair full time. Surprised? I was. 
    But alot had to do with the rotation of Mcneil and Hector. Blair lead
    the team but thwe other 3 were close in the same yards last year. You
    should see Blair and Brad starting Saturday nite and they want to look
    at their 6th round pick RB Blaise Bryant from Iowa. GM said that he 
    had all vets and rookies in camp. No HO's so they are expecting a good
    camp and should have a good season. Browning Nagle is still competeing 
    for #2 with Troy Taylor,. Someone in camp likes Troy Taylor and Nagle
    is really going to have to show some stuff to get taylor out of #2. 
    Toon did hurt something during the first preseason but is fine now and
    moore is looking good. They just need a QB to get them the ball.
    					The Rookie 
     

    I'm not sure who in the Jets organization doesn't like Nagle. Taylor is
    ok, but I think Nagle is bigger, faster, and has a better arm. Being a
    rookie is one drawback, but maybe they should take a risk and see how
    it goes.
    
    re: Mac
    
    So, do you think the Pats will score at all this year? I heard Dykes is
    out for the season...what happened, Fryar stab him in the leg or
    something?
    
    JoJ

    Dykes fell on the knee after jumping up to try to catch a pass.  He
    broke the kneecap and had surgery to repair it yesterday.  He's likely
    gone for the season.
    
    John

    Hey JoJ, mail from NJ don't come south of the Mason-Dixon or what? I
    miss the newsletter. So does my dog. So do the fish I clean.
    
    Rich
    

    RE: Dykes
    
    Must have been turf related...  Gotta love that ASS-TRO-TURF!
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

    You know, for some reason, I really don't miss JoJ all that much.
    
    I wonder if it has anything to do with the way things are going in the
    AFC East. ~/~

    	I disagree BigMac, I had hours and hours of laughs reading JoJ's
    and SnideAir's notes.
    
    				/Don

       Besides Slasher, you'd owe those 2 a coupla cases of beer by now I'm
    sure!
                                    Denny  ;^o

    Jets are actually looking pretty good so far, but the "crash and burn"
    part of the season is still to come...
    
    
    py

    K-k-k-kenny and the Jests... sigh...

This just in from Dan...

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Daniel A Schneider"  9-OCT-1991 14:39:52.08
To:	vaxwrk::needle
CC:	
Subj:	Re:  So how's things?

Yeah, it seems the Yanks started the Red Sox down the road to losing t
I'm really surprised that Morgan was fired.  What was the reaction up there?
Was it even a subject of speculation?  Stump was a foregone conclusion.

Mark my words, Jets are a playoff team...  Put it in SPORTS for me if
you get a chance.  I went to the Miami game 2 weeks ago.

�                   -< We let people like this get MBAs?!?!? >-
    
    They didn't give it to him yet, did they?

       Tell Scneid that slasher wants to buy him beer, again!
                                      Denny

    
    Ooooooh, would I love to see these guys beat the Oilers next week.  

    Miami took the pipe, big-time.  To lose at home in a playoff qualifying
    game is inexcusable.  I guess they never really got over giving up 28
    4th quarter points to SD last week.
    
    Mark.

    	Jim Wardle told me they're going to the Super Bowl.  I kind
    of hope they do and I hope Jo* gets a ticket.  It would be fitting
    for him to have to go to Minnesota, in *January*.  The only thing
    better would be if Dan would have to go with him.  8^)
    
    				/Don

    
     Ha !!1  Jesters in the Bowl...  They gotta come through Denver to get
    there and I don't see `em winning against the MIGHTY DONKS at home.
    I won a ton of money on this game (outside of work) and also hope the
    Jesters squeek by the Soilers nexted(tm) week.  I think that the Donks
    will have it much easier against the Jesters than they might against 
    the Soilers.  Heres to K-K-K Kenny and The Jets...  
    
    BG
    
    

    The Jets would have to get by both Houston and Buffalo to get to
    Denver.  As the worst wild-card team, they would have to play Buffalo
    in the second round.
    
    John

       John, did they change the rule that you can't play teams from
    your division before the Champeenship game? I could have sworn that
    only Wild Cards could play teams from their division. and second round
    games had to be non-division opponents (if possible).
                                   Denny

    I thought so too...  Whats the Scoop !!
    
    BG

    According to the paper, it's worst wild card at Buffalo and nexted
    worse team at Denver in the AFC.  Therefore, Houston can only play
    Denver and New York can only play Buffalo in their second game.
    
    In the NFC, it's worst wild card at Washington and nexted worse at
    either Detroit or Chicago.  Atlanta can only play Washington and if the
    second place team in the Central beats Atlanta, there will be a Detroit
    vs Chicago rematch.
    
    John

      I bet waddle gott sooooo excited yesterday,  that he had premature
    _________........
    
      The planes ain't goin to get past the oilers.   But then again who
    knows?   The oilers choked big time on SAt,  but they will be at home!
    
    	Tim

JETSJETS!JETS!JETS!

    Anyone notice the foreign object come flying in from the crowd as the
    Jets went for the winning field goal.  Perfect throw, and if you've
    ever seen how far away the stands are at Joe Robbie, quite impressive. 
    I don't know how the holder and the kicker kept their concentrations.
    
    At least we know that the Miami fans have now sunk as low as those in
    Cleveland and Denver.
    
    The worst part is, there wouldn't have been a penalty if he'd have
    missed it.
    
    	--dan'l

    Miami fans sinking so low as Cleveland and Denver fans?
    
    Whassamattta,
    Never seen a Hurricane game at the Orange Bowl?
    
    MikeL
    

      If someone in Miami chucked an object on the field,  then that makes
    them no different than other teams' fans that do it.   Unfortunately
    every team has these types of fans.
    
    	Tim

    So Ninj...
    
     What you're saying is that if the Jests win that means the Faiders
    of K.C. come to Denver for the second round ?  And by the same token
    if the Soilers win then they come to Denver and the winner of the
    K.C./ Faiders game comes to Denver ?  Well,  sure would be nice to
    see the Jesters pull it out and have the faiders or K.C. in Pile It
    High Stadium.  No way the Faiders can beat Denver 3x in one year and
    we all know about the Marty S. curse when it comes to playing Denver.
    Looks like the Donks are a lock for the AFC championship game.
    
    BG
    

    I ment goes to luckaolo in the second  question !
    
    

Well I'm on the phone with JoJ right now. 

He was quoted last week officially guarenteeing a Jets win over the defenseless 
fish. 

this week in the horse of lame the Jets will win. 


Jeff 


The real truth is his son "jeff" is destroying the house. and he is having
parental problems dealing with a young Jets fan. 

 

		(Sung to the tune of "Hail to the Redskins")


		Hail to the Je - ets,
		Hail Victory!

		Planes on the flight path,
		Soar for NYC!

    s> Soar for NYC
       ^^^^
    
       Ah, I think you mean CRASH, not soar.
                                    Denny

    	Come on Denny, after a few beers lasted Sunday you were hopping
    around Partner's doing the Jets teapot dance Dan Schneider style.
    
    				/Don

       HA! The 'teapot dance' was because I was trying to git that Yuppy
    Rolling Rock outta my system. I like most draft beers, but that stuff
    was truly bogus!
                                       Denny

      Rolling Rock?  Ick!
    
      Does anyone really think the Jesters are going to get past the oilers
    this weekend?   I Don't!  Its in the house of lame,  and the jets are
    not ready.  They did good to get where they did,  but will empty their
    lockers come Monday.
    
       Tim

 Jetsters are a hard hitting defense something that has disruptive the 
 Oilers from time to time. Pats beat the Oilers, heck the 8-8 Giants
 beat em'. I give the Jesters a chance....

 mike 

    Don't you mean "cower". 

      somebody woke Jesse up

    Hi,
    
    Football season is just around the corner and I was asked to post the
    official 1992 Jets Topic.
    
    I suppose this will help to cheer up all the read only noter Jets fans.
    
    By the way, the Jets have the best group of receivers in the NFL.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Wait a sec.
    We git this note immediatly followin' MrT Gone II.
    I smell somefin' funny!
    
    

    One Jet topic is more than enough.  I'll change the title to make it
    more up to date.

 but who's going to get the ball to them???? Brownie?? HAHAHA 

 mike

    
    So didn't they have a suplemental draft the other day?  Anybody know
    who went where?
    
    B.A.
    

    	Hey Marie, tell Jim that I'm looking forward to that free case
    of beer this year.
    
    				/Don

    /Don,
    
    I don't believe that JoJ liked that Meister Brau that you bought for
    him last year. He came home mumbling about Bruins fans that had trouble
    reading beer labels but no trouble drinking beer and chowing over the
    railing from the cheap seats.
    
    re: Mike
    
    Most experts agree that Brownie will be a standout QB once given the
    opportunity to start. JoJ is still an O'Brien fan, but I don't think
    Kenny can get out of his own way. I hope they don't sign him and are
    forced to go to Taylor or Nagel.
    
    Who picked (no pun intended) up Joe "BD" Walton once the steelers got
    smart? 
    
    JoJ_NOT  

    I believe Joe Walton is now with the Eagles.  
    
    John

    I don't think Walton is with the Birds. The yhired a new OL coach and a
    new Special Teams Coach, but Kotite serves as his own Offensive
    Coordinator. Although, with all of the ex-Jets running around in
    Philadelphia, it wouldn't suprise me if it happened sometime when I was
    out of town and didn't hear about it.
    
    dENNIS
    

    	Hey Mrs. JoJ just make sure there's enough in the budget for
    my case after the Patriots stomp the Jests twice.  And that was
    Dinz hurling off the top deck, not me.
    
    				/Don

    /Don,
    
    The Pats will finish in last this season, right behind the Dolts. I
    known its early, but, it's really hard to envision any team in the AFC East finishing ahead of the
    Jets this season.
    
    You have to figure the Bills will be a contender again, but the fish,
    Pats, and Dolts will be lucky to win 10 games between them.
    
    The Jets should follow up last years success with an even better record
    and perhaps, home field advantage in the playoffs.
    
    JoJ's friend Dan Schneider, who is always very objective when it comes
    to the Jets, was quick to point out how the new tight end will really
    open things up for the Jets offense. I suspect they'll really rack up
    the points this season.
    
    JoJ_NOT

Hey Weendle get out of your wife's account! 

Jets sip and you know it!



Steve

    Who's the NEW Jests Tight end? Mitchell of Nebraska?
    Cuz ya know if it was Brown of ND, Dan woulda never said that!
    
    MikeL
    

    re: .149
    
    You must be that Digger guy. Congrats on being a Bruins fan and being
    able to make complete sentences. Quite an accomplishment. 
    
    re: .150
    
    Brown from ND is one of those TE's that the Giants like. Big, slow, no
    moves, no hands. Actually, most of those attributes apply to an Giants
    receiver, but we all knew that.
    
    Mitchell is awesome. Future HOF'er. 
    
    BTW - JoJ says that alot of you guys thought Lageman was a poor pick a
    few years back. Guess you were all wrong, huh?
    
    Thanks for admitting that.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    >>I don't think Walton is with the Birds. The yhired a new OL coach and a
    
    "Booger" Joe has called it quits (and the NFL heaved a HUGE sigh of
    relief) after his dismal performances of the past, oh, 10 years.
    
    He has bought a house here in Pittsburgh and is working in the
    transportation/cargo business.
    
    Heard the other night on Myron Cope's sports talk show.
    
    JaKe
    

    	Hey JOJ_NOT, Lageman is still an overrated stiff!

Hey JO*_NOT, that's a typical reply from a chemically altered New
Jersyite DEVILS fan if I ever read one! 8^)



Digger

    Hey Digger, 
    
    Looking at the bright side, at least neither of us are Ranger fans....
    
    re: \Don
    
    Lageman will make the pro bowl this year. 
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Whew,
    Brown's big, slow , no moves?? Whatya been smokin?
    

    	Anybody else get any mail from New Joisey care of Bruce Coslet?
    Or was I the sole recipient?
    
    				/Don

       Nope! Looks like Slash has become a Jest fan. Nice try to put a spin
    on it though!
                                    Denny

    Hey Slasher, glad you enjoyed that mail from Bruce on Pat Leahy. JoJ
    said he was one of your favorites and that you'd appreciate the
    article.
    
    Feel free to send a copy to the other Jets fans in the conference.
    
    BTW - Browning Nagle has started throwing the ball in training camp. He
    looks like the next Joe Namath. He'll lead the Jets to a bunch of wins
    this year.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    a  bunch  of  wins..... as in  2..
    

    You mean two wins before their home opener, and I agree with you.
    
    The do have a tough home opener against the Niners, but with Montana
    questionable, they should win easily.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    49ers Injury Report:   Probable: Joe Montana      Questionable: None
    
    
    HTH,
    
    Nelly

    
    I think it's quite fitting that Wardle_vane has a girly_mon account.
    
    Wardle needs his wife's permission to note!! HAW HAW HAW

    	Hey JoJ_Not, tell JoJ that the Niners game might be a good one
    for him and his buddies to stay in the Medowlands parking lot drinking 
    that cheap rot-gut NewJoisey beer, 'cuz what transpires inside the 
    Medowlands that day will not be fun for him to watch. 
    
    				/Don 

    Re. .161,
    Bested guffaw I've had in ages. Thanks!
    
    MikeL
    

    To all you doubters,
    
    Brownie's picture was in this sunday's Star Ledger and he was looking
    every bit the future HoF'er he's expected to be. Don't expect to see
    the same sluggish offense as last year from the Jets. They have a new
    TE, a new QB, and a new offensive game plan that should result in
    mega-points.
    
    /Don, that picture of Nagle is on it's way to you. Feel free to request
    any future Jets photos. I'll be happy to send them to you.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Well, the Jets are now 2-0. They crushed two of the NFL's best teams.
    
    Clearly they are on their way to an outstanding season.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    You mean no predictions for an undefeated season yet? Has JoJ
    mellowed out?? :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

       Don't the Jest almost always start out great and then comes the
    inevitable 'crash and burn'!!? Don't see any reason for change this
    year.
                              Denny

    Well, I wouldn't be so bold to predict an undefeated season. They'll
    probably lose a couple of games, but at this point, they have to be the
    favorites to win the AFC East.
    
    They open away against the Falcons. That will be a tough one, but they
    should win the next three or four with no problem. 
    
    Don't be surprised if they knock off the Bills twice this year.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    JoJ...  How Ya Doin...   Now way the Jesters win more than 4 or 5 games
    this year.
    
    Jack

    JoJ_NOT
    
    When was the last time the Jets went 4-0 in preseason??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

       Who cares!!
    

    > Who cares!!
    
    One could say that about most football!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

      No, I care lots about football, but not the Jest!
                                 Denny  8^)

    Has Johnny Mitchell done anything of note this pre-season?
    
    
    Nelly

    It's been 26 years since the Jets went 4-0 in pre-season. 
    
    Jets dominated the much weaker, and much sloppier Giants this past
    weekend. Nagle looked superb. He shredded the tired and old Giants
    defense. 
    
    On an even brighter note, the Pats lost to the Lions by about 1000
    points. 
    
    For those of you who missed the Manis this year, it was the usual good
    time. Chainsaw paced himself so he was coherent during the game this
    time. Cain't say the same for Hawk. But the Hawk was a riot. 
    
    Also, I won $5.00 from Dinz. He gave me the Jets +2. And, he even paid
    up. He tried the old..."do you have change for a $50" routine, but I
    did so he had to pay.
    
    Jets rule!!!
    
    JoJ
    
    PS - Hey Cactus Jack, when ya coming back to the East Coast?
    oh yeah...Donks sip.

      Donks sip?   I thought that typing looked familiar JoJ!!
    
      We will see if your Jets run out of fuel come november 8th!
    
      Tim

Hey Weendle, where's my ticket money? I hope you guy's at least 
had fun spending it.



Steve_the_forgotten_one

    Well, a perfect pre-season for the Jets. 5 - 0....ya gotta love that.
    
    The Jets are one darn good team. I was surprised at how many Jets were
    drafted in our FFL. Even /Don drafted a Jet....who was that, Slasher?
    
    Oh yeah...Browning Nagle...as your starting QB!!!!!!
    
    Jets will be 2-0 after thumping Atlanta and PittsburgH in their first
    two.
    
    LETS GO JETS
    LETS GO JETS
    
    donks do sip. No question about it.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Hey, JoJ_Not... mail me your phone number... we gotta talk printahs...

Hey, JOJ....

I know you're talking football now, but what do you think of the 
big trade Da DEBILS(tm) just made wif da Flounders.

Holik is a nancy-boy who won't fight.  You got stiffed, I think.


And, I heard on the Saturday night football game that the commentator
figures that the Jets are a year away....  Not bad considering....


'Saw

    FWIW, the Worcester T&G football guy picked the Jets to go all the way
    to the Super Bowl this year.

�    FWIW, the Worcester T&G football guy picked the Jets to go all the way
�    to the Super Bowl this year.

Yea, but try not to start celebrating until at least October, Jests fans.   8^)

=Bob=

    
    The guy from the Worcester Paper that made that prediction was last
    seen being dragged back to the asylum in a straightjacket.
    
    Dickstah
    

      Jets vs Vikes in SB?
    
      They both went undefeated so that must mean something......

    As optimistic as I usually am, even I don't expect the Jets to get to
    the Super Bowl this year. Being objective, the Jets should win the
    division at the very least.
    
    re: Frankwa
    
    
    GOWHALE!

�      Jets vs Vikes in SB?
    
    Actually, the guy picking the Jets to call all the way predicted they'd
    lose to the Eagles in the Bowl.

    	Hey JOJ_NOT, tell your hubby that when he comes up here November
    22 to have a 12 pack of Samuel Adams in tow so he can pay up our
    bet.  Jets in the Super Bowl?  HAHAHAHAHAHA�
    
    				/Don

    re: /Don
    
    Why would JoJ have to pay you? He wouldn't take the Pats and give you
    the Jets. You must have that payoff backwards.
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - Jets will crush the Phalcons this weekend. No Rison, No Sanders,
    No Win.

    	Hey JOJ_NOT, tell that cheapskate husband of yours he better
    not show up here with a 12PAK of some polluted Joisey beer or we'll
    set the HarleyPatsFans on him.  The Jeenyus will show the Jests
    how a real coach deals with adversity.
    
    				/Don

    No /Don, it is a well known fack that you broke down in uncontrollable
    despair when Haffenreffer ceased selling beer in your local pub. And
    we all know you have a poster of Miss Rhiengold in your cube. And it
    WAS you who led the funeral procession when Martignetti's sold their
    last GIQ of Narraganssett. And, we aren't fooled by your supposed
    patriotic fervor when you defend the integrity of Pabst Red White and
    Blue. 
    
    And you got the NERVE to accuse someone from the buuutiful state of
    Joisey, home of Ballantine Ale, cousin of Knickerbocker Country, a land
    where the aroma of fresh brewed Piels REAL Draft wafts over the
    countryside, of peddling cheap beer?
    
    /Don, where are your morals?
    
    Rich
    

    JoJ_NOT...
    
     Tell that good for nothing Bum of an old man you got there that he
    ought to give me a call...  I've tried to get in touch but it seems
    the number he gave me no longer works...  Did you move?   My work number
    is 719-548-6019.  Jeanne and I were just talking about the nice time 
    we had with you guys in NYC...  Maybe we'll do it again soon.
    
    P.s.  Tell him to kiss Jerry for me !!

Big Game:


	Send him mail on the Internet.

	His address is:


		DECWRL::"[email protected]"


He'll get it....


'Saw

    Sunday kicks off the Jets banner 1992 season. The AFC east, usually one
    of the most talented divisions in football, is going through a bit of a
    change starting this year.
    
    The reign of the Bills is coming to an end. The Fish are getting old
    and inconsistent. And the Pats, well, lets just say they sip bigtime.
    
    In the meantime, the Jets and the Colts are rebuilding and are on an
    upswing. 
    
    The Colts are about where the Jets were 3 years ago. Spotty talent, but
    a solid core which can be built up. Jeff George getting injured is a
    minor setback because they are still a few years and a few players away
    from being a good team.
    
    The Jets...well, the Jets have one of the best offensive machines in
    the game. Moore, Toon, Burkette, and Mathis would give any team fits.
    The addition of a world class tight end, a much improved defense, and a
    sound offensive line will enable them to win at least 11 games this
    year. 
    
    Nagle will make everyone forget about O'Brien. In fact, he may make
    everyone forget about Montana. He's that good.
    
    So, the changing of the guard will lead to an AFC east that looks
    something like this:
    
    		Jets
    		Bills
    		Fish
    		Colts
    		Pats
    
    in two or three years, it will be:
    
    		Jets
    		Colts
    		Fish
    		Bills
    		Pats
    
    Ahhhhh, the 90's are gonna be great.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Hey JoJ_Not!
    
    Any chance of your SO doing a floppy Type-job hisself and 
     doing a mainly man entry?
    
    Tell'm I said "HI" and is was great ta see him at MikeyC's house lasted
    fall.
    
    btw - hez gotta sign as JoSH (since I'm the SJU guy)1
    
    I remain,
    waiting for Smith's BBall edition!
    Kev
    

       People started forgetting about O'Brien about 1984.
                                  Denny

    	JoJ_Not, flap your gums now, but have my beer in November!

    How depressing...the Jets dominated the Phalcons and lost.
    Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Nobody's fault but the Jets. 9 penalties and two missed
    field goals cost them the game....not to mention the two blown fumble
    calls by the refs.
    
    I guess the Jets were suffering a Pats-effect loss thanks to Jason "I
    can only kick extra points" Starouvsky..
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - Kev, SHU rools

    	As predicted, the Jeenyus found a way to win.  Nagle will have
    a super year, but the Jests defense will hold up like a house of
    cards in a hurricane.  
    
    				/Don

    
    Jests sip.

    We always knew JoJ was braindead in his neverdieing lovefest with the
    Jets, but now the Colts?????

    Are the Jests owned by Hoover?  Is that why they suck big time?
    
    lEe

    The Jets will dominate the Steelers this Sunday. 
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    >>                 <<< Note 44.204 by PARVAX::WARDLE_M >>>

    >>The Jets will dominate the Steelers this Sunday. 
    
    >>JoJ_NOT
    
    Hey JoJ_NOT,
    
    care to elaborate on this today?????
    
    INquiring minds and all that SLOF
    
    JaKE
    

       Heard on the radio that Jeff Lagamain is gone for the year with a
    knee injury.
                                  Denny

JoJ_NOT watch, Day I

    ok, ok....I admit it, the Jets  played like crapola on Sunday. But, if
    I were a Steelers fan, I wouldn't be overjoyed at their performance
    either. Too many turnovers.
    
    I'm not going to predict a Jets victory this week over the Niners.
    Nagle is out, Lageman is out.
    
    O'brien probably won't get it done in Nagle's absence.
    
    Looks like an 0-3 start. That damn Atlanta loss is gonna hurt bad.
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - On the bright side, the Giants still suck.

>    PS - On the bright side, the Giants still suck.


Yeah, but then again, no one is touting the Giants as being a year away
either.

We EXPECT the Giants to lose each week, and as long as that big bellied
boob is running the show, they'll lose far more than they win.

But the Jets, oh, people are touting the Jets as being "a year away".....


The Jets are doing a Snuffy Smif' job!


'Saw

    
> We EXPECT the Giants to lose each week, and as long as that big bellied
> boob is running the show, they'll lose far more than they win.
    
    Don't be surprised if ex-Giant assistant and current Boston College
    head coach Tom Coughlin is named the head guy of the Giants next
    season.  He's the guy they never should have let get away in the first
    place...
    
    glenn
    

>    Don't be surprised if ex-Giant assistant and current Boston College
>    head coach Tom Coughlin is named the head guy of the Giants next
>    season.  He's the guy they never should have let get away in the first
>    place...
    
I'm hoping that the Big Bellied Boob is gone by mid-season.


I know one thing.  If the Big Bellied Boob was the last defense attorney
on Earth, and I was up on Capitol Felony Murder I (in CT that's a free
trip to the Chair), I'd defend myself.....


'Saw    

    re: Frankwa
    
    No one can say the Giants are a year away. They're two years away from
    their last decent season....soon it will be three, etc..
    
    re: /don
    
    You sir, are no Frankwa.
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - Pats sip big time.

>    re: Frankwa
>    
>    No one can say the Giants are a year away. They're two years away from
>    their last decent season....soon it will be three, etc..
    

Couldn't agree with you more, JOJ_NOT.  As long as the Big Bellied Boob
is their coach, they will always be below the median line in the
NFC EAST (ie 3rd or lower)


'Saw

    I'm predicting the Jets will be 3-3 after 6 games this season.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    So JoJ_NOT are the Jets going to win their next 3 games?? (Hey I hope
    they do, but some of us can still do a reality check).
    
    The Crazy Met
    

What a GREAT game by the Jets yesterday.  Boy, they had me on the edge
of my seat for most of the afternoon.  Yessir, those Jets are something
fierce....


[many 8^)]
'Saw    

    	Jests look far superior to the Billz.  Far superior.

    The Jets play the Rams, Pats, Colts...in that order.
    
    If they want to rebound and get back on track, this is the easiest
    stretch of games they will have this year.
    
    After the Colts, they play Monday Night against the Bills....ugh.
    
    I think with Nagle in, they can win all of their next three. 
    
    Wouldn't you all agree?
    
    JoJ_NOT

	I think ya hear me knocking and i think I'm coming
	in and I'm bringing JOJ and his baby-puke Green Jets baloney
	with me......



8^)

    re: /don
    Yawn......
    
    re: Anyone who doubts the Jets
    
    The Jets will win 3 straight. 
    
    JoJ_NOT

>    re: Anyone who doubts the Jets
>    
>    The Jets will win 3 straight. 
>    
>    JoJ_NOT



Cloud of Hallugeons passes over New Jersey.  Millions affected!

Film @ 11

>    The Jets will win 3 straight. 
      ...then lose their usual 10 in a row!
                              Denny

    Will this be the week that Blair Thomas produces?
    
    
    Methinks he's running out of time/opportunities!!!
    
    
    Nelly

    
    News Flash:
    
    Earlier today the Jets finally held true the prediction of last 20th
    century philosopher JoJ_NOT.  JoJ_NOT had predicted that the Jets would
    "win 3 straight."
    
    Beating the Sacremento Longhorns, Foxboro Hecklers, and the Portland
    Aspens in the last three weeks.  Philip DeTank, coach of the Portland
    Aspens, had this to say:  "I thought for sure that we'd win our first
    game this season.  Being 0-9 is tough, but losing to the Jets is worse.
    Once the refs made that call in the 4th saying we were hovering too
    close to the line of scrimmage I just knew they'd been paid off."
    
    Marc

    I didn't figure the Jets to be any better than 1-2 after Week 3,
    Falcons at the Georgia Dome & SF are tough games for anyone.
    
    That being said, the next three are clearly games that should be won...
    
    
    py

The NY Jets-LA Rams game looks to be a real stinker. Fans of both teams
are saying they should win the game while everyone else wouldn't be
surprised by any outcome.

In any case, if'n the Jets are half the team they're touted to be, they
"should" win because clearly the Rams are horrible.

TTom

    	The Patsies will probably pick up their first win of the year
    against Browning's Bumbling Bonehaids.
    
    				/Don

    Hey Denny, your facks are flawed...the Jets have never lost 10
    straight.
    
    Hey Slasher, how's your FFL team doing? You know, the one with Nagle at
    the helm. Why did you draft Nagle, huh? 
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    He drafted last?
    
    
    
    Steve

    	I took Nagle just to tick you off JoJ_NOT.  
    
    				/Don

    HA! you did not.
    
    If that were the case, how come you won't trade him for that 6-pack of
    Sammies?
    
    JoJ_NOT

       Pats still 1/2 game up on the Jest. Battle a the Titans next Sun.
    night on TNT. Should put an entire nation to sleep!
                                 Denny

Pats are still a half game up on da Jests!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Super bowl bound!! HA HA HA!!!!




Steve

I'm rollward.

You should have seen JoJ at the Manis....  To use and old MrT quote,
he was "strutting his chest", telling us how the Jets were gonna do it
this year, and laughing at our misery with old Boobhaid Handley....


Jets SIP.....



'Saw

    Yo Waddle, didja see how the mighty Rams crushed the hapless Jests. 
    
    Thing a_beauty I tell ya!

    No 0-4 NFL team has ever made the playoffs.

    At this point, I hope the Jets go 2-14. Both wins would be over the
    Pats so /Don would owe JoJ a twelve pack of Sam Adams.
    
    But, I think the Jets will win their next two, and maybe surprise the
    Bills on Monday Night in 4 weeks.
    
    Joj_NOT

    Oh, and btw...Since /Don claims to have picked Nagle "only" to bust
    JoJ's chops, lemme give you a list of notables who were passed by so
    that /Don could have his coveted Brownie. 
    
    At QB, /Don passed up:
    ELWAY, HEBERT, HARBAUGH, O'DONNELL, GANNON, GEORGE
    
    At other key positions, /Don passed up:
    TERRY ALLEN, FOSTER, SHARPE, DUPER, C. CARTER, HAROLD GREEN, CALVIN
    WILLIAMS....
    
    Considering that /Don's team hasn't won since around week 4 last year,
    you would have to believe that he felt Nagle would give him some much
    needed offense this year.
    
    The Slasher's team is The MC Hammeroids, and we're in week 4 of the
    Hammeroid win watch for 1992. 
    
    HTH, CONGRATS,
    
    JoJ_NOT

    	Tsk, tsk, tsk...  James, James, James...  You shouldn't stoop
    to personal attacks just because the J-E-S-T-S are on a par with
    the PAThetriots.  Take your medicine like a main!  BTW, if Samuel
    Adams is on sale in Joisey anytime soon, I would suggest picking
    up a 12 pack and saving some money.
    
    				/Don

    
>    No 0-4 NFL team has ever made the playoffs.
    
    Doug, that's 'cause the seasons have always been at least 10 games. 
    They've never had four game seasons.
    
    HTH,
    
    BREWS

    	Prediction for Sunday night.  I predict that from 8-11 as many,
    if not more babies will be conceived than during any three hour
    period of the "Great Blackout of 1965", proving once again that
    Americans are resourceful and imaginative when confronted with a
    crisis.
    
    				/Don

>>    	Prediction for Sunday night.  I predict that from 8-11 as many,
>>    if not more babies will be conceived than during any three hour
>>    period of the "Great Blackout of 1965", proving once again that
>>    Americans are resourceful and imaginative when confronted with a
>>    crisis.
    
>>    				/Don


	Oops I guess I better cancel my plans to go down there and see the
	game.  Nothing worse than a home "rodeo" while you are away.


	;^)
	Bill

    I was just reading an old SI article this morning that was published
    right before the season started.  It had predictions for the upcoming
    NFL season.  In it they picked the Jets to win the AFC East and make it
    to the AFC Championship game.  Well, since SI CAN'T be wrong, I am
    looking forward to the Jets winning twelve in a row.  It OUGHT to be a
    wonderful show of football prowess.
    
    -Paul Mazur

    
    With the Jest/Pats playing again in week 12, will we see an abnormal
    influx in the birth of twins?
    

My Street & Smith Pro Football Mag on the cover says "Jets set to join the
Elite"....

didn't realize the cellar was the place for the elite...

It must be that injury to all-world Laegman that's doing them in...

       The Jest haven't been the same since they cut Tony Eason!
                                    Denny

    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA!!! M.C. Hammeroids!!!! HA HA HA HA!!!! 
    I love it! 
    
    Tis a sad day when a Jests fan only chop bustin' has to do with 
    a fantasy football league! HA HA HA!!! Jests sip!!
    
    
    
    Steve

 I don't know Steve, I think it's a great day myself....

 ;^)

Nineteen-sixty-nine! Nineteen-sixty-nine!
Nineteen-sixty-nine! Nineteen-sixty-nine!
Nineteen-sixty-nine! Nineteen-sixty-nine!
Nineteen-sixty-nine! Nineteen-sixty-nine!
Nineteen-sixty-nine! Nineteen-sixty-nine!




'Saw for JD

Ha HA Saw.  


That one Jets fan got pissed out me for chanting that!

JD

Jason "I can't kick a field goal > 40 yards" Staurovsky was cut by the
Jets after making ony 3 of 8 field goal attempts.


Chap

>Jason "I can't kick a field goal > 40 yards" Staurovsky was cut by the
>Jets after making ony 3 of 8 field goal attempts.


I hear Raul waiting in the wings.....

 nope Saw, they signed some other bum. Raul's too expensive for them. Wish
 the Giants would take him back. 

	To get away from all the "leaf peepers" up here in Cow Hampshah
	a few of my friends and I are making a road trip to the Pats-Jets
	game.  I know, I know, but a road trip is a road trip.

	Does anyone know of any good pubs near the Meadowlands?  Since this
	will be an overnighter we might as well make the most of it!

	Any suggestions?  (Other than the obvious.)

	
	Bill

>	Does anyone know of any good pubs near the Meadowlands?  Since this
>	will be an overnighter we might as well make the most of it!
>
>	Any suggestions?  (Other than the obvious.)


We stay in the Meadowlands Days Inn.

If you go up and hit 17 North (about a healthy spit from the hotel)
there's a few places up the strip that look okay.  Some are the
NJ version of Nudie Bars (which only the Dinz could get excited about)
and some are regular old bars/pubs.

I've never headed South on 17, so I don't know....


'Saw

PS  They tore down the "America's Most Wanted" motel that Hawk and I
    found two years ago....8^(

    Geez, youze guyz are hurting my feelings with all this Jets bashing.
    
    I think the Jets will beat the Pats. But, I no longer care...as long as
    my Fantasy Football team continues to dominates, I'm happy.
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - Slasher...you should come down for the game. At the very least,
    it'll be a great tailgate party.

    Is there any news on the return of Johnny Mitchell???
    
    Kenn

    	Can't make it JoJ_Not.  The kid that sits next to me at the
    Pathetriots games will be there.  He paid $170.00 for two tickets
    on the 40 yard line.  In a way I pity him.
    
    				/Don

       Why do you pity him /Don? Because he's going to a Jest game or
    because he sits next to you?
                                     Denny  8^)

    >>   Why do you pity him /Don? Because he's going to a Jest game or
    >>because he sits next to you?
    >>                                 Denny  8^)
    
    
    Geez, Denny, Slasher may have a tough time deciding which one warrants
    more pity!!!
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    Jets signed Cary Blanchard.  Kicked well for NO in the preseason.

    
    Shouldn't these two be playing for San Fran? 8^)))
    
    
    
    Steph

    You forgot Run it Blair...
    

    
    Well the Jests are better than the Patrots, not saying much there...
    
    
    
    
    
    Steve

       EVERYBODY is better than the Patriots now!
                                    Denny

    Pats play SF next week. Sounds like 0-5 and counting.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    ...and Miami the week after that!
                           Denny

    	Yup, I gotta hand it to JoJ, his J-E-S-T-S are #27 and the
    Pathetriots are #28.  Congrats JoJ!  But the Pats will beat New
    York in Foxboro giving me a push on our annual bet.
    
    				/Don

    Jets will beat the Dolts this week, rest up, and crush the Bills on
    Monday night football!
    
    JoJ_MAYBE

    But I thought the Colts were one of the up and coming teams?
    
    Question:  Do they really need all that hokey music in the Meadowlands
    to get the crowd into the game?

    	The Jesters will have a chance against Buffalo, if Jim Kelly,
    Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, James Lofton, the entire offensive line,
    Bruce Smith and Cornelius Bennett get hurt.  Otherwise, blowout
    city.  
    
    RE: Hokey music.
    
    	All the Stadiums play that stuff now BigMac.  The person who
    does the music at Foxboro does have a sense of humor because they
    play Aretha Franklin's "Rescue Me" quite a bit.
    
    				/Don

�    	All the Stadiums play that stuff now BigMac.  
    
    Please tell me that they don't have dot races.

    	No, at Foxboro you get commercials on the big screen.  Must
    have seen the add for Frank Sinatra � dozen times when the Pats
    were slaughtered by the Bills.
    
    				/Don

    re: BigMac
    
    That's the first game that the music was so totally obnoxious that it
    was intolerable.
    
    They've been playing "Minnie the Moocher" for years now during TV
    timeouts, but this crap that they played on Sunday during the Pats game
    really bit the big one.
    
    Defense gonna rock now...dooomp doomp do do dooooo dooomp....blech!
    
    re: Slasher
    
    Miami held the Bills to 10 points...why can't the Jets do the same?
    
    JoJ_Sort_of

>    JoJ_Sort_of

Hey, JoJ_? I'd give anything if you could send me the picture I heard
about in the Noo Yawk papers where Ray Handjob was standing there, and
on his forehaid they had a gas guage with the needle on EMPTY....

Jets sip, but at least they have a coach....


'Saw

    What a game by the Jests this week, eh J0J_(insert sumthin here)????
    
    I mean, losing 6-3 to the lowly Colts
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    Whilst the Steelers and the Brown(spot)s(tm) were doing the exercise in
    mediocrity, the Jests and the COlts were doing an exercise in
    FUTILITY!!!
    
    The Sominex insomnia cure of the week, that Jests game was, eh??
    
    JaKe
    

�    I mean, losing 6-3 to the lowly Colts
    
    Correction, that's the lowly but up-and-coming Colts, right JoJ?
    
    Playing "Louie, Louie" when the Jets punter comes on was pretty lame
    too.

    
    Jets fans, what happened to Rob Moore? Did he play yesterday or is he
    injured? Fantasy minds would like to know...
    
    Whats up with Nagle, 6 of 16 passes for the day, 147 total yards for
    the day? whats wrong with what was going to be a high potent offense?
    
    Or do we admit that Indianapolis is that much improved?
    
    kevin

�                       -< whats wrong with the jets? >-

	Try "what's not wrong with the J-E-S-T-S".  It'll make for a much 
shorter list.

				/Don

|�                       -< whats wrong with the jets? >-
|
|	Try "what's not wrong with the J-E-S-T-S".  It'll make for a much 
|shorter list.

The DEFINITE ANSWER:


	They sip.

�                       -< whats wrong with the jets? >-


It must be the Walton-effects�   They last a long time.


Chap

    Well, I guess the Jets really do sip. What can I tell ya. It's a good
    thing my other favorite team, the Dolphins, won another big game.
    
    Later...oh, and Rob Moore is playing. No one can get the ball to him.
    
    JoJ_Vane

    I predict the Jets won't lose this week!
    
    I'm sure I'm correct.
    
    JoJ_NOT

       Must be a off week!
                            Denny

     Got to be a Bye week for the Jesters...  JoJ_NOT would never go
    that far out on a limb if they were playing, not even against the
    Broncos !!
    
    BG

    Hey Cacti-Jack, Jets/Donks rumble on November 8 at Pile-it-High
    Stadium.
    
    Think the Donks can stop the Jets world class wide receivers?
    
    Toss Elway some alfalfa for me, will ya.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Don, the Jets are better than the Pats and the Seahawks. C'mon, give em
    the credit they deserve.
    
    Namath

    Yeah, maybe the Lions too..
    

JOJ,

SPARE ME.

Why, at the Manis you were strutting your chest like a Ruffed Grouse in
mating season.   The Jets were going to take the AFC East, they were
loaded with talent and no one could beat them.

I think that the ENTIRE Jets coaching staff has gone to the Snuffy Smif'
School of Block Airways....


No one expected the Pats or the SeaBeagles to do anything.  But a LOT
of folks expected the Jets to win their division  ;^)


So, in my book the Jets are #28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



'Saw

>>No one expected the Pats or the SeaBeagles to do anything.  But a LOT
>>of folks expected the Jets to win their division  ;^)

  Well, that just goes to show you that they don't know anything.
    
>>So, in my book the Jets are #28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We Jets fans don't read your book...
    
    
    BTW, Walt may be correct. They might be able to beat the Lions too.
    
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
     JoJ_NOT !!!
    
     What has that Jersey Hazardous Waste water done to your brain.  For
    you to even question the Mighty Donks ability to STOMP the HAPPLESS
    JESTERS into the Pile-It-High turff is simply ludicrous and is surely
    a direct result of your contact with the Jersey Sludge Monster since your
    return to that dismal state from Colorful Colorado.  Please hit the
    Detoxification center before this damage becomes irreversible.
    
    ;^)
    
    BG
    
    P.s.  They've taken Elway off of the alfalfa...  he was getting a bit
          portly because of the calorie count...  You can now see him
          eating balanced diet of Pile-It-High grass and cracked oats at
    	  half-time of every Mighty Donks football game.  

    >         -< J-E-S-T-E-R-S...  You Are #28An Rightfuly SO !!! >-
    
    Not quite...the sad sack bunch in Foxboro lays undisputed claim to 28th
    and worst so far this year.
    
    
    py

    py,
    
    there is a pretty good argument to back what you say.  27th, 28th,
    whats the difference,  I'll give
    
    BG

If you have a barrel of apple cider, the sedament that forms on the bottom
from a month ago, tends to get mixed up pretty good with the sedament
that forms on the bottom today.

Jets #27?  Pats #28?   Hell, it's all just sediment on the bottom of
the barrel.....


'Saw

Corrected:

    <<< Note 44.306 by CAMONE::WAY "We're the dance band on the Titanic" >>>

If you have a barrel of apple cider, the sediment that forms on the bottom
from a month ago, tends to get mixed up pretty good with the sediment
that forms on the bottom today.

Jets #27?  Pats #28?   Hell, it's all just sediment on the bottom of
the barrel.....


'Saw

     Agreed, `Saw...   And the Jesters have been part of the Sediment
    for so long (Since Joe Willie) that its gonna be ever so difficult 
    for them to ever seperate themselves from the sediment to join the
    cream, so to speak.
    
    
    	For You JoJ_NOT,
    
    BG

    oh yeah....!?!

    ok

    I just want you guys to know that I'll be back in this note the next
    time the Jets win. Until then, PATS/DONKS/GIANTS all sip.
    
    JoJ

    
    re -1   Not true
    
    Brews

    Since Bruce decided to write lock the Jets note..I felt compelled to
    create a kinder gentler Jets note.
    
    The Jets finally played up to their potential against the fish. The
    return of Byrd made a major difference in the pass rush. Marino was
    pressured all day.
    
    O'Brien showed why he was at the pro-bowl last year. He had good
    protection all day and picked apart the Dolphin's overrated defense.
    
    I predict a follow up victory in Denver next week. Beyond that, the
    Jets should beat Cincy and New England. They could be going for a 6-6
    record on thanksgiving weekend against the Chiefs.
    
    Hey /Don, was that Bruins-fan-looking goon in SI a friend of yours?
    He's typical of the New England sports fan, huh?
    
    JoJ_NOT 

>    Since Bruce decided to write lock the Jets note..I felt compelled to
>    create a kinder gentler Jets note.
    

I move this to 44.last, where it belongs.


'Saw

      The Jets have been playing good ball the last 2 weeks,  but do you
    really think that will carry over into Denver JoJ_*?  You lived here
    and have seen enough donk games to know better than that!
    
       Tim

    
    Hey JOJ kwitcherwhinin.  this note ain't write-locked.
    
    Brews, the non-facist mod.

>    Hey JOJ kwitcherwhinin.  this note ain't write-locked.
>    
>    Brews, the non-facist mod.


It was, until I opened it up this mornin'.......

    
    > Brews, the non-facist mod.
    
    Does this imply that there is a fascist mod in this notesfile?? :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    But why was I accused?  I was gone all lasted week, ask TCM.  
    
    Brews, who would never do anything unethical with his moderator privs

    
    > Brews, who would never do anything unethical with his moderator privs
    
    Yeah right, just ask Kev!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
     No Way the jesters walk outa Pile It Hih with a victory this week.
    look for a big Donks win !!
    
    BG

    	Congrats JOJ_Not, the J-E-S-T-S have moved up to #25 in my 
    estimation.  Not bad for a team that most pundits picked as the pride 
    of the AFC.  And I would rather partay with a WestVirginee type
    than the J-e-s-t-s feigns who use tablecloths and wear raccoon coats.
    
    				/Don

    For those of you who haven't met /Don before, check out last week's
    Sports Illustrated. He is the handsome guy leaning over the cement wall
    talking to the players...
    
    re: Cacti-Jack
    
    The Donks will lose to the Jets. No problem.
    
    JoJ_RULES

     Wardle,
    
     I had a reply in here that was for some reason set hidden. 
    Call me dude...  (719) 548-6019.  I wanna talk to ya about 
    the game and how we might celebrate the out come.
    
    BG

    There was good reason for set/hidden (can't believe I am saying this).
    No I can't do set/hidden in this file but did see the note beforeit was
    hidden. In a notesfile I moderate I had to do a set/hidden in a similar
    situation. Notes like those are never allowed in a Digital notesfile.
    From my recollection no Moderator discretion on this.
    
    The Crazy Met

>    There was good reason for set/hidden (can't believe I am saying this).

There's ALWAYS a good reason for set/hidden  8^)



>    No I can't do set/hidden in this file but did see the note beforeit was
>    hidden. In a notesfile I moderate I had to do a set/hidden in a similar
>    situation. Notes like those are never allowed in a Digital notesfile.
>    From my recollection no Moderator discretion on this.
    
Thanks for the vote of confidence TCM.  It's nice to hear someone say
something NICE about us for a change....8^)


'Saw

BTW , it WAS Mac, as I was in meeting all afternoon......

    
    re -1
    
    Can't believe you wrote that after the mail you sent me, 'saw.  8^)
    
    Brews

>    Can't believe you wrote that after the mail you sent me, 'saw.  8^)
    
Brews, it's kinda like being the Jets Head Coach.  You have to project
a facade to the fans, of infallibility, and yet with the other coaches,
you'll sit around and fart, and get on their case.....


8^)
'Saw

    
    Hey Mac, can I set 'saw's note hidden?  He said fart.
    
    BtFM (in training)

    Hey Frankwa, can you mail me the hidden note...I'm curious .
    
    re: Cocka-Jack
    
    The only celebratin' goin on after this sunday will be here in Jersey
    as we celebrate the continuation of the Jets climb to .500.
    
    Jets rule, Donks drool....
    
    JoJ_NOT
    
    PS - I'll try to give you a ring tomorrow...(Jack, that is)
    

    	Hey JoJ_Not, if the Jesters finish at .500 I will personally
    deliver the 12 PAK of Sam Adams to your doorstep in Joisey clad
    in only a green ribbon.
    
    				/Don

>    	Hey JoJ_Not, if the Jesters finish at .500 I will personally
>    deliver the 12 PAK of Sam Adams to your doorstep in Joisey clad
>    in only a green ribbon.
>    
>    				/Don


/Don covered himself really well here.  Chances are much greater of the
Jests finishing above or below .500.

However, on the off-chance that they do come in at .500, I'll bring the
camera.....   for the latest issue of WWF Magazine!


'Saw

    Slasher, you ought to be in politics...
    
    BG

    Hey Frank, since each game is independent of the others, the
    probability that the Jets finish at .500 is probably equal to above or
    below.
    
    However, if you somehow factor in the first 8 games, I would assume
    that its more likely the will finish below .500 than above .500.
    
    In fack, its probably more likely they will finish at .500 than above
    .500.
    
    Therefore, /Don, in order to "cover" himself (and admittedly this is a
    big job), should have chosen "Over .500" for his end of the bet.
    
    In any case, I'm sure you'll all be rooting for the Jets to finish at
    exackly .500. This is one bet I'd love to win.
    
    JoJ_NOT_anxious_to_see_/Don_in_only_a_ribbon

>    Hey Frank, since each game is independent of the others, the
>    probability that the Jets finish at .500 is probably equal to above or
>    below.
    
Yes, but I was trying to take into account some of the strength of their
schedule......

'Saw


PS  I wanna see Slasher in da ribbon store, explaining to the lady
    clerk why he needs green ribbon.......

    
     Well,  The Jests gave it a good shot... Winning in Pile-It-High is
    a tall order for even the best teams (which we all no the Jests are 
    not).  Great game for the Broncos...  This could be a turning point.
    
     Speaking of the Jesters...  I was in Denver for the weekend at a 
    TQM conference and the AZTEC exibit at the Museum.  We stayed the
    night at the Westin hotel in the Tabor center.  On sunday morning
    I rode down in the elevator with Al Toon and Rob Moore.  Man are 
    those guys tall.  I told them I had this "friend" by the name of
    JoJ_Not that was na obsolute fanatic about the Jesters...  They said
    they had heard of the legend but didn't believe anyone could be so
    rabid to stick with their lowly team for so long.
    
    BG

    BG
    	Next time you ride in an elevator with Mr. Toon tell him he
    is riding the pine in FFL.
    
    Jimbo

     You can't BLAM(tm) Toon for that...  Lang hit him hard and put him 
    outa there... 
    
    BG

    enlighten me, I didn't see the game.  Toon has not produced all
    year and will never see action in my lineup again.  I'm going
    to trade him for John Stephens. 8*)
    
    Jimbo

       I'd certainly play {car)Toon when the Jest play the Pats! The Pats
    have no d-backs.
                                denny

    
     Toon only played for a short time in the Donks game...  He was 
    Smashed by the Donks defense on that reception he made and never
    returned...  His beel was still ringing in the second half.  Not
    serious,  he'll be back nexted week I'm sure.  
    
    BG

    Hey Jack, the Donks sip. Ok, they got lucky and beat the injured Jets.
    Big deal. They won't win the division, and if they manage to make it to
    the playoffs, they'll get hammered early.
    
    BTW - I know you didn't really talk to Toon and Moore because they
    certainly know me and when I have them over on Thanksgiving I'll ask
    about you. I know they'd remember any Denver fan who could speak in
    complete sentences.
    
    JoJ_the_Donk_hater

    Wouldn't a Vikings - Donks superbowl be like a Red Sox - Cubs world
    series? 
    
    The Crazy Met
    

       ...the world would end after the 2-minute warning!
                                   Denny

    Wardle...
    
     The Donks thrashed the lowly Jests...  Get used to it (you should be 
    by now) the Jests will finish in the cellar.  
    
    DONKS ROOL
    
    BG

    BTW...  No one ever accused me of being able to speak in complete
    sentences...  Stop it !!!
    
    BG

    
>    BTW - I know you didn't really talk to Toon and Moore because they
>    certainly know me and when I have them over on Thanksgiving I'll ask
>    about you. I know they'd remember any Denver fan who could speak in
>    complete sentences.
    
>    JoJ_the_Donk_hater
    
    Hey, JoJ, we will all have Toon and Moore on Thanksgiving, cause they,
    like the rest of Jests, are turkeys.
    
    Brews

    
    >the jests will finish in the cellar.
    
    Did they re-allign the conferences in mid-season?  Where did the
    Patriots go?
    

    Sorry...
    
     One spot out of the cellar !
    
    BG

    Jets have an easy one this week after thumping the Bengals. This week
    they draw the Pats with Zolak from Remulak at QB. Should be no sweat to
    stomp these weenies.
    
    Any fantasy football owners that have Rob Moore should start him this
    week. He's bound to get 100+ yards and two TDs.
    
    Baxter should get an easy hunnert as well.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    	It's a shame you can't make it up here JoJ_NOT, 'cuz I would
    love to see your sour puss after the PATRIOTS and Zolak The Magnificent
    upset the J-E-S-T-S (assuming that any J-E-S-T-S loss could be
    considered an upset).  Rob Less will be completely handcuffed by
    the resurgent PATRIOTS secondary.
    
    				/Don

    
    Gotta go with the Green Wennies in this one...
    
    Prediction:  (and I'm pretty far out on a limb here  ;^)  )
    
    Patsies finish 1-15... Trade first round choice for a loser
    and proceed to finish 5-11 nexted(tm) year.
    
    BG

�    Patsies finish 1-15... Trade first round choice for a loser
�    and proceed to finish 5-11 nexted(tm) year.
    
�    BG

	No way BigLame, the Pats would never trade the first round pick 
for Elway!
                                                                       
				/Don

     What Ever /er...  You Know you would kill to have BBJ on the Pats.
    Being the Stud that he is he could probably bring even the Patsies
    into the plaoffs the first year.  After all,  he's single handedly
    carrier the Broncos to 3 Superbowls.  Elway would be a GREAT addition
    to many teams in the NFL...  The Raiders, Greenbay, Midgets, etc
    would kill to have him.
    
    BG  
    
    (Wake up /er...  Elway is Gawd !!! And don't you forget it !)

    Elway chokes in big games. 
    
    The Pats won't improve to 5-11 nexted year.
    
    The Jets will win the AFC nexted year.
    
    Carnac

    
    I'M IN STICHES.... !!!
    
    If the Jests win the AFC nexted year I'll send ya a case of Coors
    
    ;^)
    
    BG

      Jets win AFC next year?   Give me some of that good stuff you
    have;^)))
    
      I wouldn't be suprised to see the colts do better than the NJ jets
    next year!
    
    	Tim

    Lemme translate what the JESTS feigns meant
    
    AFC meaning Arena Football Conference
    
    HTH
    
    MikeL
    

    Look, the Jets spent the season on getting some of the young talent
    (e.g. Nagle, Mitchell, etc...) ready for prime time. Next year, they'll 
    be ready. As I said earlier, the Bills are in decline, the fish are
    always tough, but not tough enough...the colts are up and coming but
    I'd put them about where the Jets were three years ago, and the Pats
    just plain stink.
    
    The Jets are much better than their record indicates. Don't be fooled
    by a bad record...the Jets coulda,shoulda, woulda won 4 of the games
    they lost this year if they didn't crack under the 4th quarter
    pressure.
    
    Next year, they'll be mature and ready to win the AFC.
    
    JOj_the_optimist

    	Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda should be the J-E-S-T-S permanent slogan...
    
    				/Don

      No /'r,  its coulda, shoulda, woulda, DIDN'T!!!!
    
    	Tim

    Ouch...  Kinda sounds like the Donks and Superbowls...  :^(
    
     At any rate...  I'll give ya 5 to 1 JoJ_Not...
    
    BG

    HaH!...5-1...nahhh, I'm already soaking /Don for a 12 pack on an annual
    basis.
    
    JoJ_not

    Pretty sorry taking advantage od a Patsie, so to speak.
    
    BG

    Joj_nmot...
    
    Tell your hubbie we shipped him a printer yesterday...

    	Hey Waddle_NOT let me refresh your memory.  Last year I went
    down to the Swamplands with a case of Molson to pay off you and
    SnideAir.  I left the Swamplands with the case intact and thouroughly
    enjoyed it throughout the holidays.  After Sunday the bet will be
    a push again this year.
    
    				/Don

    re: Walter Ashe
    
    The printer arrived on-site today...JoJ_the_original told me so.
    
    re: /Don_ut
    
    Fed Ex will be fine for that frosty cold shipment of Sammy's.
    
    JoJ_NOT

       Anyone know how the Jest did yesterday?!
                                 Denny

    	No 12Pak of anything, and barring a miracle no purchase of a
    large green ribbon either.  PATRIOTS totally dominated the j-e-s-t-s
    as predicted.
    
    				Nostra/DONus

    
    Ain't it wunnerful that the Patsies can depend on the Jest for at least
    one win a year?
    
    Dick
    

    Hsa Freeman McNeil ever finished a game he started against the Pats?

    re: .376
    
    Yeah; certainly in 1986 he did.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

       I don't think McNeil or Wesley Walker ever played a complete season
    without an injury!
                                    Denny 

    Called to check on a field test at Merck.  Mr. Wardle was not at his
    phone...
    

    What's the great Toon Tragedy the announcers were talking about?  Did
    Buggs Bunny get killed off with Superman or something?

    They think his career might be over.  5 concussions over his career,
    plus heart troubles...
    

>    They think his career might be over.  5 concussions over his career,
>    plus heart troubles...

The concussions could be minimized with a Gonzo helmet like the dude from
Buffalo wears, but I don't know about the heart problems.... scary stuff.


'Saw
    

    Ahem...well, I guess it's gonna be a dry xmas. You're off the hook this
    year, /Nostra_have_another_DONus.
    
    On the bright side, the Yuppies lead the WAFFLE's Namath Division by 2
    games.
    
    How about my Niners!!!!
    
    JoJ_VANE

    That's Kazoo, not Gonzo...
    

    
     Let see,  
    
    Thats JoJ_Jesters_Niners_Dallas_Whos_Next
    
    BG

>
>    That's Kazoo, not Gonzo...
>    

Well, at least I had the two "o"s in there....

I knew he had some kind of added protection on his helment.


The thing that amazes me about concussed players is that they let them
play again so soon.  I suppose that's the big business aspect of pro
football.

In rugby, there's a law in the law book that a concussed player cannot
come back to play for two weeks.  (I'm hazy on the time period, but
I think that's what it is).


'Saw

    
    A concussion is a lot like Rugby!
    
    I remain,
    Kev_for_Hawk!
    

      it should read JoJ_Wagon_jumper

�In rugby, there's a law in the law book that a concussed player cannot
�come back to play for two weeks.  (I'm hazy on the time period, but
�I think that's what it is).
    
    It's not in the law book (I checked last year's edition), but I believe
    it is a USARFU Policy.

    MAC... A true Rugby Maniac...
    
     Kev,  I agree,  Rugby is a lot like a concussion.
    
    BG

>    It's not in the law book (I checked last year's edition), but I believe
>    it is a USARFU Policy.


Oh, okay.  It was listed in one of the older lawbooks I have (the red
one, whatever year that was), but they also had the policies in there,
so you, sir, are correct.


If you wanna hear someone really whine, tell a rugger he has to sit
a week cause he was concussed the week before....


'Saw

    Hmmm, sure sounds to me like Wardle_Not is an exact copy of our old
    WardleVane!!!111 (<For Dinz lovers)  :*)
    
    lEE

    Well, LeE, you know that JoJ always like the Niners...since the days
    of the old NFL. 
    
    JoJ_NOT

    
    It seem the only replies to this note are the weeks the the Jet lose.
    Where are all the real NY Jets fans. 
    
    GERRY
    
    spured from a read only
    

>    Where are all the real NY Jets fans. 
    
I think they last spotted him standing on a subway platform in Times Square.


8^)


'Saw    

      finding a new wagon to jump

    
    For a while the Broncos were winning ugly. The last few weeks the
    Steelers had been winning ugly. But no team has won ugly games like the
    Colts have the last 2 weeks. The NFL should have all tapes of these
    games burned.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Ouch. Last nights loss hurt. Sure the Jets aren't going anywhere, but 
beating Miami and hurting the Dolphins playoff chances and knocking them
out of the race for the division would have been a bright spot in an
otherwise dismal season.

The Crazy Met

    GO CHARGERS!!! THEY ROOL!!!
    
    Walt_for JOJ_VANE...

	I'll leave it to your immagination as to who composed this "gem".

				/Don

A Christmas poem for all you Jets fans
______________________________________

Twas the night before Christmas
and somewhere down south
Bobby Hebert was drinking
he was nearly soused

His teammates were shaking
under their beds
while visions of the Meadowlands
danced in their heads

The home field advantage 
was outta their reach
and the cold of New Jersey
could just make them screech

When outside the hotel 
there arose such a clatter
Hilliard jumped up 
to see what was the matter

He raced to the window 
and what should appear
but the leg of a chair 
and he's out for the year

The rest of the players 
rushed out to see
the NY Jets defense 
lead by James Hasty

They all rubbed their eyes
as they could not believe
such a frightening sight
could appear Christmas Eve

Oh the fear in their eyes
this image did bring
as they thought of McMillan
and his terrible sting

For they all new the truth
regarding this team
and they thanked their stars
this was only a dream

But as they turned 
to go on to bed
a new apparition 
appeared in their heads

They knew that the defense 
was one to be feared
but the vision of Nagle 
seemed even more real

He spoke to the Saints
and he gave them advice
"Stay home for the holidays
don't even think twice"

"For my offense is ready
and primed for the game
we will put it together
we will not come up lame"

With that he turned
and called to his men
"Lets go out on a high note
and beat them by ten"

As he called to his team
the Saints just did frown
"go Baxter"
"go Mitchel"
"go A.B. Brown"

"With Burkett and Moore
we'll run up the score
so go back to bed 
and try not to snore"

MERRY XMAS YOU DIE-HARD JETS FANS!

Thank you for those kind thoughts. And a happy holiday to you Pats fans
as well.

The Crazy Met

    It wasn't worth sitting in the 9 degree weather to watch the
    Jets/Saints game. New Orleans is really a boring team to watch.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    JoJ,
    
    Who is the only team that hasn't won a division title since the NFL and
    AFL merged?
    
    
    Spud

Spud, when did the merger take place, before the 1971 or 1972 season?
If 1972 then it is KC and Jets.

The Crazy Met

When did TB win the division?Iknow they were in the playoffs - even got
to the NFC chamiponship game (I think), but a division title??

The Crazy Met

    I believe the merger was after the '69 season.  I saw the trivia on
    George Michael's show lasted Sunday night.  
    
    Tampa Bay did in fact win the NFC Central (early 80's?)
    
    The Jests be the only team that hasn't.
    
    
    Spud

    Thats right Spud (you should know since you asked the Q) and it's
    gonna be a lot longer before Jimbo get to see those good for nothin
    bums win one too.  The Jests are done, kaput..   washed up, finished.
    JoJ_Not/Vane will find a *REAL* team soon...
    
    BG

One of the Jets' players has accused an NFL official of making a
racial slur in Saturday's game with the Saints.  Any more news
on this?

Jerry

Just that the ref denied it and the NFLwill investigate it.

The Crazy Met

Merger took place for the 1970 season, when the familiar
Eastern-Central-Western divisions became the norm.


Tampa Bay entered the NFC in 1976, in the AFC West, going
0-14, then switched to the NFC Central in 1977, losing 12 more
before winning two.

In 1979, Tampa Bay went 10-6 to win the NFC Central division.
They beat Philly 24-17 to advance to the NFC Championship Game
where LA beat them 9-0,,,,,


The Jets have not won a division since prior to the 1970
season.  Since 1970:

	1970	4-10   	3rd
	1971	6-8	4th
	1972	7-7     2nd
	1973	4-10	4th
	1974	7-7	4th
	1975	3-11	5th
	1976	3-11	4th
	1977	3-11	5th
	1978	8-8	3rd
	1979	8-8	3rd
	1980	4-12	5th
	1981	10-5-1	2nd
	1982	6-3	2nd	(strike season)
	1983	7-9	5th
	1984	7-9	3rd
	1985	11-5	2nd
	1986	10-6	2nd
	1987	6-9	5th	(strike season)
	1988	8-7-1	4th
	1989	4-12	5th
	1990	6-10	4th
	1991	8-8	2nd


hth,'Saw

Article: 5793
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football
Subject: Referee denies making racial slur
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 19:24:20 PST
 
	HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (UPI) -- An NFL official Sunday said referee Larry
Nemmers denied using a racial epithet in reference to New York safety
Erik McMillan Saturday during a game against New Orleans but the league
will investigate the incident.
	Joe Browne, the NFL vice president of communications and development,
said he spoke to Jets General Manager Dick Steinberg Sunday after
McMillan made the allegation to Steinberg and team president Steve
Gutman.
	Steinberg said he would let the NFL investigate the incident.
	``I told him (Steinberg) that Nemmers denies using any racial epithet
against McMillan and any other player but that our office would plan to
speak with Erik and whatever Jets may have heard it as soon as possible
to get his side of the story,'' Browne said.
	McMillan spiked the ball at Nemmers in the fourth quarter of the
Jets' 20-0 season-ending loss to the Saints Saturday, drawing an
unsportsmanlike conduct penalty with 2 1-2 minutes left.
	With two minutes left in the game, Jets Coach Bruce Coslet asked
inactive quarterback Ken O'Brien to take McMillan off the field into the
locker room.
	``He lost his poise on the field,'' Coslet said. ``I had three or
four players come up to me and say 'You'd better do something about
Erik, because he may lose it.' That's when I asked Kenny if he wouldn't
mind taking him to the locker room.''
	Coslet said he didn't know when the incident occurred but he thought
it might have been during a brief skirmish between Jets defensive tackle
Mario Johnson and Saints tackle Richard Cooper a few plays before
McMillan spiked the ball.
	McMillan's locker was cleared out Sunday morning when the dressing
room was opened to reporters. A former Pro Bowl safety who spent the
past two years as a backup, McMillan is expected to leave the club in
the offseason when he becomes a free agent.
	Nemmers, a high school pricipal, is in his eight year as an NFL
official.

Article: 5817
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.local.louisiana,clari.local.new_jersey
Subject: Jet confirms slur by ref
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 9:39:21 PST
 
	NEW YORK (UPI) -- Mario Johnson of the New York Jets gave the NFL a
written statement Monday corroborating a charge that a referee made a
racial slur at teammate Erik McMillan.
	McMillan had claimed claim that referee Larry Nemmers made the remark
to him during a 20-0 loss to the New Orleans Saints Saturday.
	McMillan informed Jets Coach Bruce Coslet, team president Steve
Gutman and several teammates, but no other player confirmed the incident
until Johnson, a defensive tackle, came forward.
	A league spokesman said the NFL received Johnson's statement and
would review videotapes of the game. The league also received a written
report from Nemmers.
	The incident allegedly took place late in the fourth quarter after
McMillan, a defensive back, received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty
for angrily spiking the ball near Nemmers. McMillan was pulled from the
game after the play.
	Nemmers, an NFL official for eight seasons, is a high school
principal from Joliet, Ill.

    Yo 'Saw,
    
    Happy holidays, me main! Howsa vaca?
    
    Twas shoppin' with da wife B4 Xmas and we was looking for Old English
    cheese. Store was out so's the wife reached for the Cheez-Whiz. 
    I couldn't stop laughin' and steel haven't been able to explain to
    da wife the reason for ma continued laughter. You is one tawisted
    dude, me friend!
    
    Latah,
    MikeL
    

    JoJ had the privilege of meeting up with the one and only Dan "Mr.
    Objective" Schneider at Saturday's Jets game.
    
    You guys would be proud of Dan...he had on some trendy clothes and
    drove to the game in a Volvo (his mom's). 
    
    I guess Columbia is changing Dan into the Yuppie we always knew he was.
    Why, I'll bet he even votes republican next election.
    
    Dan says "hi" to all of those who miss him in the Sports
    note...especially his buddies ACC_confessed and Jack "Jets fan" Hunter.
    
    JoJ_NOT

    Ah, now there's a main I miss.  Dan.  The man set the standard for
    Sports Objectivity.  What a mind.  What a man.  What a great Dean
    Disciple. 
    
    Sniff, sniff.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    I'm amazed that there have been no comments on Mark Gastineau's recent
    exploits.  I heard he was busted for possesion of illegal substances.

  
    >> I'm amazed that there have been no comments on Mark Gastineau's 
    >> recent exploits.  I heard he was busted for possesion of illegal 
    >> substances.
    
       I saw him box recently. Judging from that, it's surprising he can
       even afford drugs.

    I don't know, he's not a Jet anymore, he's not with Brigitte, let him
    do what he wants...