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| 40.1 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Thu Jan 03 1991 15:19 | 4 |
| The Raiders waived Ricky Hunley LB, a former #1 draft pick of the
Bengals, and signed Darin Jordan LB.
Carlos
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| 40.2 | Go Raiders, beat the 49ers !! | ITASCA::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' objective analyst | Thu Jan 03 1991 15:32 | 14 |
| The Raiders have improved during the season perhaps more than
any other squad. Schroeder's progress is the most obvious, but
that OL has become positively scary. Not to mention the defense,
which is hitting like the Raiders' D from the days of yore.
As a_AFC fan I been thinking about who has the best shot against
the 49ers (whom I've grown to loathe) in the Super Bowl and I've
concluded that it's got to be the Raiders.
They have Marcus, Howie, Bo, that scary OL... Gene Upshaw has
done a fine job of handling this team, and they get my vote for the
AFC Title.
MrT
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| 40.3 | What's he done lately | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | The elbow is part of the ball | Thu Jan 03 1991 16:02 | 12 |
| >The Raiders have improved during the season perhaps more than
>any other squad. Schroeder's progress is the most obvious, but
>that OL has become positively scary.
I think Schroeder's regressing actually. He was surprisingly decent,
even {gulp} good going into the middle of the season, but since week 10
or so it's back to the same old bonehead of a QB. He's had a number of
awful games lately.
I think if the AFC has a hope in the Super Bowl, it's in Buffalo.
Dan
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| 40.4 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Thu Jan 03 1991 16:14 | 6 |
| >Gene Upshaw has done a fine job of handling this team,...
Upshaw??? Don't you mean Art Shell?
Homeboy
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| 40.5 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Thu Jan 03 1991 21:43 | 7 |
| Hunley was drafted by Cinci but never signed. Denver picked him up
in some deal which I forget the details. He played well but never became
the big play maker everyone had hoped. During the last strike he
was very active and vocal on the players' issues. Management
basically dumped him to the Cardinals then on to LA.
BoB
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| 40.6 | Progressing Not Regressing!!!!!!!!!!!! | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Fri Jan 04 1991 12:39 | 8 |
| Throughout the month of December, with the exception of the Chargers
game, Schroeder was awesome. He threw for 4 TD's against Minnesota and
I believe it was 10 for the month. Not bad for a team that runs the
ball as much as the Raiders. So I would have to disagree with your
statement that he is regressing since midseason.
Kenn
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| 40.7 | Schroeder's Raiders, tearing it up.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Fri Jan 04 1991 17:54 | 13 |
| Kennnn :-), I'm forced to agree with you, of all the QB's still in the
hunt Schroeder is definitely one of the ones that is playing solidly
right now. Also included in that list (IMHO) would be Cunningham,
Rypien, and Marino. Those that are playing good, but questionable,
from game to game are Young, Montana, DeBerg, and Boomer. Cody Carlson
had a great day for the Oilers last week, but it coulda been a fluke,
jury is still out on him. Hurting at QB, (IMHO) are the Bills, Chicago,
the Saints, and the Giants. The Oilers, Bills, 49'ers, Bears, and
Giants are all playing their second string QB's, and while these
QB's are all very capable of winning big games, they are also all
capable of choking in the big games.
Homeboy
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| 40.8 | Bring on the Bengals | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Mon Jan 07 1991 07:44 | 6 |
| The Raiders get Cinnci again for the 2nd time in a month. I think we'll
see a steady diet of Bo and Marcus all day until Cinnci proves they can
stop the run. I see an outcome just like the first game, especially if
James Brooks is unable to go next week for Cinnci.
Kenn
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| 40.9 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Mon Jan 07 1991 14:39 | 14 |
| Re. -1
Not only was James Brooks injured, but so was Harold Green RB,
and the left side of their offensive line, Anthony Mu�oz and Bruce
Reimers. That can only mean a good day for the Raiders defense.
Cincinnati's defense played good against the clueless Oilers, but
it was not very typical of the way they've been playing all season
long. Look for Schroeder and Co. also to have a good day.
Raiders - 35
Bengals - 14
Carlos
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| 40.10 | The brain is the questionable organ | HOTSHT::SCHNEIDER | The elbow is part of the ball | Mon Jan 07 1991 14:58 | 8 |
| re:.7.
Let's see. Schroeder's playing solid in your ratings, and Montana's
questionable. Very interesting.
Schroeder's a bum. It'll show in these playoffs.
Dan
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| 40.11 | | FSOA::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Mon Jan 07 1991 16:17 | 5 |
| Dan, there is no reasonong with these Raider fans, their players always
are in the best in their eyes. They sure got a lot of tough competition
in the AFC West this year. :):)
John "D Cowboys" R.
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| 40.12 | Raiders vs 49'ers Superbowl XXV | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Air Force, CSU, CU... Denver Bronco's | Mon Jan 07 1991 16:54 | 3 |
| The Raider got real lucky with Miami beating the Kansas City Chiefs. Had the
Chiefs won the Raiders season would end at the AFC championship game.
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| 40.13 | 8^) | ECAMV3::JACOB | Ah Sh!t, Gotta wait til nexted year | Mon Jan 07 1991 17:23 | 14 |
| >><<< Note 40.11 by FSOA::JRODOPOULOS "Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ?" >>>
>>
>> Dan, there is no reasonong with these Raider fans, their players always
>> are in the best in their eyes. They sure got a lot of tough competition
>> in the AFC West this year. :):)
>> John "D Cowboys" R.
Sort of reminds me of a certain Brown(spot)s(tm) fan we had in here
till the 'spots started losing!!!!
JaKe
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| 40.14 | | FSOA::JRODOPOULOS | Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ? | Mon Jan 07 1991 17:27 | 9 |
| re: -1
My note was supposed to be sarcastic, I'm sorry if did not come across
that way, and please don't ever acuse me of being a Cleveland Brown
fan. I have standards........
BTW could you explain your note ?
John " D Cowboys" R.
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| 40.15 | Clarification | ECAMV3::JACOB | Ah Sh!t, Gotta wait til nexted year | Mon Jan 07 1991 17:31 | 10 |
| re-.1
I was speaking of the Raider fans, not you. I wouldnt' accuse anyone
of sound mind of being a 'Spots fan, or for that matter, of an unsound
mind either.
Sorry you misunderstood the note!!!
JaKe
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| 40.16 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Mon Jan 07 1991 18:27 | 36 |
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>><<< Note 40.11 by FSOA::JRODOPOULOS "Hey Mon, How Many Jobs You Got Today ?" >>>
>>
>> Dan, there is no reasonong with these Raider fans, their players always
>> are in the best in their eyes.
It'd kinda dumb if in the Raider fans' eyes, the cowboys had the
best players now wouldn't it?
>> They sure got a lot of tough competition
>> in the AFC West this year. :):)
>> John "D Cowboys" R.
When your on top of your division, like the Raiders or the Giants,
then naturally other teams within your division are gonna look weak
like the Donks or the Cowboys. But if your on the bottom, like the
Donks or the Cowboys, then your teams schedule looks tougher, 'cause
you gotta play teams like the Raiders or the Giants. It just all
depends on your perspective. :-)
> Sort of reminds me of a certain Brown(spot)s(tm) fan we had in here
> till the 'spots started losing!!!!
> JaKe
Hey JaKe, in your intro note it says that you like the Raiders,
so could this mean that you remind yourself of a certain Brown (spot)s
(tm) fan?
As far as Schroeder -vs- Montana goes, there is NO comparison. Montana
is one of the all time greats. It's just that he's playing hurt
right now, and Schroeder isn't. I do, however, think that if both
these teams make it to the big game they will have comparable stats.
Which would be more a reflection on the pass defenses than the QBs.
Carlos
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| 40.17 | I beg to differ, Carlos | ECAMV3::JACOB | Ah Sh!t, Gotta wait til nexted year | Mon Jan 07 1991 22:03 | 29 |
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>> Customer Service Engineer
>> Pittsburgh, Pa.
>> Likes: Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Pitt, Penn State, And Whoever is
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Carlos:
As seen above I definitely don't say I like the Raiders. I also don't
like the Bung(ho)les(tm), so I guess the only thing I can root for in
the game this weekend is for the buttons to snap on one of the
Raiderettes uniforms while on national TV.
I remember the slugfests the Steelers and Raiders had in the '70's all
too well and nothing short of an act of God Himself could sway my
disdain for the Sliver and Blechhhh...
JaKe
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| 40.18 | Bills are tough, Schroeder is average. | KEPNUT::DIGGINS | | Tue Jan 08 1991 08:02 | 7 |
|
Raider fans are making a serious mistake if they are counting out
Buffalo. Oh ya, and I agree with Dan, Shroeder is a stiff.
Steve
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| 40.19 | Raiders Rule! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Tue Jan 08 1991 09:48 | 10 |
| Oooops!, Sorry JaKe, guess I mis-read it.
Steve, the Raiders had Buffalo scared to death last time they played.
It was just one of those fluke victories they lucked out on, where
they was gettin their butts kicked throughout the game, and then
all of a sudden (like two minutes) they luck out and score 21
or so unanswered points. It won't happen again though, besides they'll
be lucky to get by the Dolphins again. :-)
Carlos
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| 40.20 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Wed Jan 09 1991 09:49 | 12 |
| In yesterdays USA Today, they had the results of their best and
worst polls of the year, and the Raiders uniforms were selected
as the best liked, while the Browns had the worst liked uniforms.
Also, Al Davis was among the worst liked owners. Imagine that....
Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys, was selected Coach of the Year by
the The Associated Press. He edged Art Shell of the Raiders by 2.5
votes. ......incredible how a coach with a losing record can be
selected over coaches with winning records.
Carlos
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| 40.21 | | CAM::WAY | Moe knows pies in the face | Wed Jan 09 1991 09:52 | 17 |
| > votes. ......incredible how a coach with a losing record can be
> selected over coaches with winning records.
Not so incredible Carlos.
I mean, I'm no fan of Jimmy Johnson, or the 'boys, but I've got to
hand it to him, in one season he took the 'boys from 1-15 to
7-9, missing the playoffs by a hair's breadth.
Shell is a great coach, but this year, I think the coaching "miracle"
was Johnson.
Similarly, if MacPherson can do the same with the Pats, look for him
to cop the honors next year.....
'Saw
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| 40.22 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Master of the Universe | Wed Jan 09 1991 10:14 | 14 |
| Yeah, but 'saw Johnson was the one who coached them to the 1-15 season.
What if the Broncos went 9-7 next year, should Reeves get coach of the
year?
Another thing, does Texas have some sort of affection for people who
dress 20 years behind the times or something? They had Landry with the
stupid hat, Glanville who wore enough polyester clothes (with a white
belt no less!) that he looks like he belongs out here in Sun City
playing golf with all the dried up Meachamites, and now JJ with a
haircut that would make Rueben Kincaid of the Partridge Family proud.
Is all of Texas really that void of class?
Bruce (who's scheduled to go to Dallas next week and is wondering
whether he should pack a leisure suit or not)
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| 40.23 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus | Wed Jan 09 1991 10:37 | 10 |
| 'Saw, I agree that JJ's doing a great job of turning that team around
and had the 'boys made the playoffs it (CotY) could be justified.
The thing is, that the 'boys still ain't there, and there are other
coaches who have also turned their teams around but are there. I
just don't think we should reward mediocrity.
Bruce, thanks for the laughs on the Texas coaches, especially the
Ruben Kincaid one.....haaaaha... :-)
Carlos
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| 40.24 | Jimmy Johnson == Ruben Kincaid's Love Child? | CAM::WAY | Moe knows pies in the face | Wed Jan 09 1991 10:46 | 19 |
| Bruce --
You'll have a REALLY fun time in Dallas. When I used to work for
American Airlines I had ocassion to go there twice. I forget what
hotel we stayed in but it was supremely elegant (even had phones
in the bathroom). The waitresses in the lounge were extraordinary,
each one looking like she stepped straight out of a centerfold.
At 4am the city was still jumping. I was there for three days one
time and had all of about two hours sleep.
Enjoy dude. Bring your cowboy boots. 8^)
Carlos --
Good point.
'Saw
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| 40.25 | they might have beaten Philly too | CHIEFF::CHILDS | I could use a dramatic sting here | Wed Jan 09 1991 11:16 | 8 |
|
Well Cowboys did have an easier schedule. Had Aikman not been hurt Boys
probably would have made the playoffs. Shell inherited a load of talent.
JJ tore the team apart and rebuilt it. For that I give him the node over
Shell. Just as long as that cheatin good for nothing Wchye doesn't win
it I'm happy...
mike
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| 40.26 | | CHIEFF::MACNEAL | Papa Mac | Wed Jan 09 1991 11:46 | 7 |
| � Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys, was selected Coach of the Year by
� the The Associated Press. He edged Art Shell of the Raiders by 2.5
� votes. ......incredible how a coach with a losing record can be
� selected over coaches with winning records.
Given what Jimmy Johnson has been able to do with a team that had
fallen as far as the Dallas Cowboys, it's not incredible to me.
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| 40.27 | Gud jub Jimmy Ray Bob Bill. | CUBIC7::DIGGINS | | Thu Jan 10 1991 08:07 | 8 |
|
Jimmy Johnson was an excellent choice as COTY. I have to admit I
really don't care for the guy but he has turned around that team.
It helps when your best friends with the owner!
Steve
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| 40.28 | | BOSOX::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Thu Jan 10 1991 09:08 | 3 |
| The Raiders are my favorite team! Go Raiders!
lEe
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| 40.29 | RAIDERS 20 BENGALS 10 | GSMOKE::LSUSTAITA | | Mon Jan 14 1991 08:05 | 1 |
| RAIDERS win on to BUFFALO!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 40.30 | Par Excellence! | RDOVAX::BRAKE | Rich Brake in Virginia | Mon Jan 14 1991 09:37 | 5 |
| You take Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas and Neil Anderson. Give me
Marcus Allen - the guy is simply the best back in football.
Rich
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| 40.32 | Let's get back to reality. | BSS::JCOTANCH | CU: 1990 Big 8 & National Champions | Mon Jan 14 1991 12:17 | 1 |
| The Faiders will not win in Buffalo. The Bills will no be denied.
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| 40.33 | Hoping for a warm weather win for the raiders... | VLNVAX::MBROOKS | | Mon Jan 14 1991 12:43 | 9 |
| This is going to be the best game of the playoffs so far....Buffalo is
a very strong team especially at home, unbeaten there this season and
strong at all aspects of the game.......Hopeing for nice weather next
week I think another snow/ice/freezing rain game would go to buffalo a
warm weather game will keep it even. Both teams have a strong running
game but buffalo will gain the advantage in bad weather...Will be a
close one with bo breaking lose for a big yardage td in the 4rth and
the raiders squeak it out...Im hoping for a LA VS NY Superbowl.....
MAB
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| 40.35 | Should Be Fun | DASXPS::KHARRIS | | Mon Jan 14 1991 13:32 | 11 |
| Jay Schroeder had a solid game at QB yesterday and made two key passes
in guiding the Raiders to a win. Everyone rips the guy when he has a
bad day, however when he has a good day no one gives him credit. Greg
Townesend was awesome. Riki Ellison was burnt repeatedly on the same
running play over and over again. Where is Aarron Wallace???? Willie
Gault was non-existent all day. Snow is not a good sign for the Raiders
next week, however like Schroeder said "we have the talent to play with
anybody". This should be the best game of the year!!!!
Kenn
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| 40.36 | Buffalo by 2 | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Jan 16 1991 14:47 | 9 |
| Yeh Shroeder had a good game, but you better credit the o-line for
that, 'cause everyone knows that Shroeder chokes under pressure.
This should be a good match up, with the edge to the Bills. The last
turnover will decide the game IMO.
Marcus is as good as his line blocking.
T-bone
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| 40.37 | | DECWET::METZGER | Why the rush for war ? | Wed Jan 16 1991 16:17 | 11 |
|
I was just thinking on what HOOT and Monty would be saying right now. :-)
You Donc fans should be happy that they took the buyout. If they hadn't we
would never had heard the end of how the mighty RAIDERS (why are they always
capatalized?) are back.
I miss them......
Metz
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| 40.38 | Bruce Smith to body-slam Schroeder-don't miss it! | BSS::JCOTANCH | CU: 1990 Big 8 & National Champions | Wed Jan 16 1991 17:28 | 7 |
|
> I was just thinking on what HOOT and Monty would be saying right now. :-)
I'd like to see what they'd be saying after the Bills put a good old
fashioned whippin' on the Raiders this Sunday.
Joe
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| 40.39 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Jan 16 1991 19:04 | 4 |
| Hoot and Monty always said the faiders were mighty, even when they
were 5-11 or something like that....
T-bone
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| 40.40 | Hope Bo plays | NEST::PAPIA | | Thu Jan 17 1991 09:44 | 8 |
|
Ellison led the team in tackles against Cincy with
ten so he more than made up for the ones he missed.
The Raiders will activate Greg Bell for the Buffalo
game.
Vinny
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| 40.41 | A NO SHOW FOR THE BO SHOW = Buffalo WIn ??? | VLNVAX::MBROOKS | | Thu Jan 17 1991 09:47 | 8 |
| accourding to todays National BO will not play sunday against the Bills
this is a big break for the Bills and will in no doubt change the out
come of the game....The Raiders still have high hope because they were
also quoted as saying We wish there were 2 weeks before the superbowl
wed like bo to be ready to play then !!!! Still anyones game but the
odds just went in Buffalos favor...I wonder how much this will effect
the Odds in vegas's eyes ...???
MaB
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| 40.42 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Thu Jan 17 1991 12:07 | 12 |
| � RAIDERS (why are they always capitalized?)
It's to help them stand out a little bit, so they don't look
so insignificant.
It's the same reason RAIDERETTES (what raider fans prefer to be called)
like to dress up in large quantities of black and silver. If they don't,
they're constantly being mistaken for those little eggs that panty hose
come packaged in.
phoe shit shlep
Mike JN
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| 40.43 | I Don't Agree | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Fri Jan 18 1991 16:22 | 14 |
| For 2 teams that seem evenly matched, a 7 point line seems pretty
unrealistic at this point I wouldn't think that it would increase.
Schroeder is a stiff and he always chokes?????? Is that why he was
named the AFC's offensive player of the month for December, which are
the most important games of the year when you have a chance to win your
division. The comment made earlier about Marcus Allen is REDICULOUS!!!!
The 3rd down run he had at the end of the game proves that. All backs
do better with a good offensive line. I think it's going to be a great
game, and I'm looking forward to watching it.
Kenn
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| 40.44 | SMOKED!! | DASXPS::KHARRIS | | Mon Jan 21 1991 08:53 | 14 |
| So much for it being a great game, they got SMOKED!!! The defense
played as poorly as the Bills offense played well. Once again the LB's
were nowhere to be found. Lionell Washington got burned all day by
Lofton. Is there ever gonna be a time when the Raiders can stop the run
out of a shotgun formation???????? Schroeder did not play well which
I'm sur I'll catch alot of grief for considering I've backed him all
year. However when the defense knows that you've got to pass your kind
of in a hopeless situation. Terry McDaniel may have been the only
bright spot for the Raiders.
I was highly impressed with Buffalo and feel they will have no
problem with the Giants.
Kenn
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| 40.45 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Mon Jan 21 1991 14:57 | 23 |
| Well, well, well, he said, stroking his jutting jawline.
51-3, hey?
Far be it from me to laugh at any RAIDERETTES (tm), or retaliate for all
the comments made when the Broncos got blown out in the Superbowel.
I should probably mention, though, that on the list of ALL-TIME POST
SEASON PLAYOFF BLOWOUTS, The Faiders (tm) have now moved into 3rd
place.
Washington is 1st... losing by 73 points in 1940
Houston is 2nd...... Losing by 49 points in 1969
Raiders are 3rd..... losing by 48 points in 1991
Broncos are in sixth place.
[ In spite of the razzing, if it had been Raiders and 49'ers in the
Superbowl, I'd have been screaming my guts out for the Raiders and the
AFC West. ]
Tough Luck guys
Mike JN
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| 40.46 | Grab the puffs!!! | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Jan 21 1991 17:21 | 21 |
| Where are all the faider faithfuls today? There has been only 1
faider fan in here. Carlos, are ya on vacation??
I got to watch most of this game, and boy did I enjoy it!!! 41-3 at
halftime.
I thought the Broncos choked in the big one, but the faiders got
smart and choked early.
Alot of people are saying that Bo would have made a difference. Not
this time. Shroeder had a classic game, and the defense didn't know
who to turn around and point to. Maybe Howie won't be soooo cocky next
time, but then again, he is a faider.
I will say that I know how youze faider fans feel getting blown out,
but Kay sir awe sir awe......
Better be ready next year, 'cause the Broncos will be back!!!
T-bone
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| 40.47 | Not quite, Howie | SHALOT::HUNT | Square Dancing :== Country Rap | Mon Jan 21 1991 17:31 | 9 |
| I thought Howie Long had a *great* pre-game quote ...
"We're going to win this thing and then represent the AFC in the Super
Bowl like it should have been these last few years."
Oooo, looks like that'll be taped to the Broncos' locker room walls
next season.
Bob Hunt
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| 40.48 | Bring one home to the AFC for a change... | KIDVAX::MBROOKS | | Tue Jan 22 1991 08:07 | 23 |
| You cant compare the raiders to the donks...Plesae. THe broncos have
lost how many superbowls and if thats not enough they still have the
#1 record for worst, THATS WORST superblow ever. Translation they
were lucky to be there. And if you dont think BO being out made a
difference you blink and proberbly dont understand the Riaders OFFense
at all. Im not a die hard raider black and silver blood running
american but they were the #2 team in the AFC and id put them at about
#5 in the league right now. BO accounted for about 25%-33% of the
plays on a normal day (Not so much as carrying the ball but blocking
and making the defense cover him double, triple whatever) Take that
away from a team and your in troble...Look at it this way if Shroader
had thrown 1/2 the amount of passes then for the sake of argument well
say he would have only thron 2-3 interceptions. With the running game
hurting fron the opening kickoff and then falling behind the game was
over. Bo is a big part of the raiders team and he made a huge
difference, with a helthy bo the Bills may have still one but not by
more than 10.......In comparising to the broncos they lost by 45 points
in a superbowl and I dont remember one of the Best Offensive stars
being out. And please dont insult me bying saying that the broncos
had a lineman with a hangnail and thats why SF scored 55pts. The
raiders are a much better team than anyone gives them credit for and
the broncos are a overhyped team of the past.
GO BIlls (AFC)
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| 40.49 | A half-season of 10 carries a game and then out ain't enough... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 22 1991 08:57 | 16 |
|
I read some reports that more than a few unnamed Raiders and Al Davis
himself aren't too happy with Mr. Jackson right now. They didn't like
the way he lost interest in the Bengal game after he got hurt (instead
staying in the background playing with his kids), and apparently, as
has been the case in his baseball venture, they question his
dedication to the team as opposed to his own career.
I think the complaints are legitimate. If the upshot of this two-sport
experiment is going to be frequent injury and distracted attention
resulting in large chunks of missed playing time in *both* sports, then
Bo becomes a sometimes wonderful, sometimes spectacular curiosity, but
one I'd probably rather see on someone else's team.
glenn
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| 40.50 | | FDCV06::KING | When all else fails,HIT the teddybear | Tue Jan 22 1991 09:43 | 5 |
| You heard it here first.. Print this reply out and post it
in your office... The Raiders will draft the USC QB (forgot his name)
who just got caught with coke....
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| 40.51 | Marinovich busted | SHALOT::MEDVID | the plans for a future war | Tue Jan 22 1991 10:43 | 16 |
| WOA! You mean clean Todd "never eat red meat" Marinovich?
Yes, here it is right in the paper...arrested for investigation of
possession of cocain Sunday...also was carrying grass.
But if he's a coke user, doesn't the NFL have a right to keep him out
of the draft?
Also, his dad must be crushed. Couldn't have happened to a better
father. This kid was fed football from the day he was
born...literally...had a football in the nursery. Todd was deprived of
a normal childhood for the sake of his father's glory. Two years away
from home and look what happens. This is sad, but for some reason I'm
kind of glad it happened. Strange how my mind works sometime.
--dan'l
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| 40.52 | | CAM::WAY | Who more than self, their country loved | Tue Jan 22 1991 10:54 | 7 |
| Nope, from what I've seen of his (looney) Dad, he must be ripshit!
I really feel sorry for that kid. Someone of lesser strength, (or more
depending on how you look at it) probably would have blown his old man
away......
'Saw
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| 40.53 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Bills 51, 'Just Win, Baby' 3 | Tue Jan 22 1991 11:06 | 17 |
| > THe broncos have
> lost how many superbowls and if thats not enough they still have the
> #1 record for worst, THATS WORST superblow ever. Translation they
> were lucky to be there.
So if you think the Broncos were lucky to get that far, you're also
saying the Faiders were lucky to get as far as they did.
> Bo is a big part of the raiders team and he made a huge
> difference, with a helthy bo the Bills may have still one but not by
> more than 10......
HA HA!!! That's a good one!
Joe
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| 40.54 | I Know football and that home run was great... | VLNVAX::MBROOKS | | Tue Jan 22 1991 11:17 | 12 |
| SO I guess thurman thomas is a not needed piece of buffalos picture.
Bo may not have reached 1000yrds like thomas but he also plays less
games and splits the time with another running back, thats marcus
alled seeing that you are obviously not familiar with the raiders
team or there offensive structure. Bo averages 5+yrds per carry,
what does thomas average ??? Im sure bo is a better back than thomas
so if you dont agree that being boless made a difference you must not
feel very highly about thomas, I guess hes a waste of money for the
bills huh.....I can understand raider bashing and even bo bashing but
please show me that you have some understanding of the game in at least
some of your entries.....(last reply to pure bashing factless entries)
MaB
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| 40.55 | Todd | NEMAIL::LEARYM | | Tue Jan 22 1991 11:28 | 10 |
| Sad tale of Todd Marinovich. When I read that story about him and his
Dad, I kinda thought he was a ticking time bomb. I hope the kid gets
some help and straightens out. He's young and can rebound
MikeL
PS: In a sick comment on this story, some wiseguy said the when his
Dad found out he was caught with coke, he exploded " I told him to
drink apple juice." Sorry.
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| 40.56 | 'Bills by 11 over jints | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Jan 22 1991 15:09 | 30 |
| MAb...Are you saying the faiders are nothing without Bo? It seems they
won quite a few games without him. He is a strong Rb, but he ani't
gods gift.
There is also no foundation to your statement that the Bills would
have only won by 10 points if Bo was in the game. He isn't a defensive
player. Nor would he have taken 38 points away from the Bills. Also,
alot of hype last week was around how much Allen would have picked up
the slack for Bo's absense. There was Greg Bell in the game, who just
happened to be a good Rb for the Rams.
Bottom line is that the faider defense could'nt do squat, nor could
Jay!
The faiders had their best year in a longgggg time, so be happy with
that.
As to the donk-faider comparison, that was just to show a point
differential of last years SB against this years AFC championship game.
That was done after all the bashing the Broncos took after their
thrashing by the 9'rs. Fair play ya know??
If you want to talk faider dominance over the Broncos this year, well
sure they beat them both times, but only by a total of 8 points in 2
games. No dominating factor there.
Sooooo 'til next year......
T-bone
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| 40.57 | Long game to watch for a LA fan | NEST::PAPIA | | Wed Jan 23 1991 08:26 | 13 |
|
BO would have made a difference if he was healthy and could
have run against the Bills defense, a teams running game is the
key to open up alot of things like the passing game, it also
would have keep the Bills offense off the field. Too many what
ifs, the Bills won and thats it.
About the Raiders getting killed, they won some big games
and lost some, the bottom line is they look like their on the
upswing.
Vinny
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| 40.58 | . | SALEM::DODA | Schroeder's SCUD's are always intercepted | Wed Jan 23 1991 09:09 | 0 |
| 40.59 | enough said | KIDVAX::MBROOKS | | Wed Jan 23 1991 11:05 | 14 |
| Your right I cant say they would have only won by 10, but common sense
would say if a QB throws less he apt to be intercepted less. They LA
tried to come out and pass, they had to because they couldnt count on
the running game as much as they previously could with bo...........
This is really easy to understand....Its hard to make a good
comparison because Buffalo has a very strong backup QB so there passing
game is always intact but if thomas was injured it would severly hurt
there running game. LA relies more on the run, where buffalo relies
on there pass, BO is a big part of there run game period...Oh well its
quite obvious that you have bad feelings toward the raiders and
proberbly some raider fans that use to be in this note, this is why
your blinding with bashing.....Oh well, buffalo is a great team and
Im pulling for them to win the SB but there not a 48pt favorite over
the raiders, things go your way, things really go your way...
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| 40.60 | | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Air Force, CSU, CU... Denver Bronco's | Wed Jan 23 1991 16:44 | 8 |
| Hoot called me again and said
What really happen was Uncle Al's plan was forced down in Denver and the
Players were asked to get off the plane. Then Pat Blow'in got on board with
his team and all the Donkey's. Pat told them they were going to the SHOW.
Resulting in the 51-3 blowout.
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| 40.61 | Young man who needs peace and patience | DECWIN::SCHNEIDER | I JUST WANT TO SHOUT! | Wed Jan 23 1991 17:56 | 24 |
| No, one running back getting his 10 or so carries would have done
nothing to avert this big time blowout.
Re: Marinovich. Frank mentioned blowing his father away... I think
that's harsh, and certainly a morbid thought, but it made me make a
connection. SI had a piece on Marinovich this year, among other
things, showing that he liked to paint (as in on canvas, not houses).
I'm suddenly reminded of Dead Poet's Society, in which the young man,
driven to be a doctor wants to explore acting. His father squashes the
attempt, humiliating him and the ending is tragic.
Not that I would think for a second that such could happen. I hope
for Marinovich's sake, and USC's that he stays in school. He's
suspended from spring practice this year (nothing to do with the recent
bust, at least not directly). He needs an attitude adjustment, and I'd
guess an overdue period of "finding himself" before he's ready for
football again. If he takes school seriously (something I don't think
he was doing) adjusts and find, he could come back next September and
deserve all the Heisman hype as a junior.
I think applying for the NFL draft now would be the worst move he could
make, both personally and professionally.
Dan
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| 40.62 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Jan 24 1991 08:56 | 7 |
|
I thought Marinovich didn't even register for classes this spring.
If he's not even in school, he's gone. Maybe not to the pros, but at
least to another school (he'd have to sit out a year, right?).
glenn
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| 40.63 | Wait and see | DECWIN::SCHNEIDER | I JUST WANNA SHOUT! | Thu Jan 24 1991 12:45 | 10 |
| >If he's not even in school, he's gone. Maybe not to the pros, but at
>least to another school (he'd have to sit out a year, right?).
Yeah, but he red-shirted his freshman year. I don't think it would
make much sense, in football terms or in personal terms, to sit out
another year, play the '92 season at another school and then enter the
draft, *unless* his relationship with Smith and USC football is really
bad.
Dan
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| 40.64 | Where is Jerry? | LACV01::BRITO | Heaven Bound... | Fri Feb 01 1991 14:40 | 5 |
| Any news on Jerry Abair (sp?). I had heard some rumors that he wanted
to play for the Raiders... has anything come of that? Is Al Davis
interested?... A sound quaterback can make all the difference in a
team, because offence and defence learn to rely and have confidence in
the "leader"; that makes everyone else want to play better.
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| 40.65 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, MRO1, DTN 297-2623 (eff 2/11) | Fri Feb 01 1991 14:52 | 10 |
| Bobby Hebert (pronounced A-bear) is the player to whom you're
referring. Jerry Adair is a late former Red Sox player.
There is no news about Hebert wanting to play for the Raiders at this
time. He is, to the best of my knowledge, a complete free agent.
I don't know how happy the Raiders are with Schroeder nor do I know if
they're planning on keeping Steve Beuerlein.
John
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| 40.66 | | REFINE::ASHE | Whatever happened to Slick Watts? | Sat Feb 02 1991 11:32 | 1 |
| Would the Pats look at him?
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| 40.67 | | NAMBE::CGRIEGO | | Mon Feb 11 1991 14:48 | 21 |
| Have'nt had a chance to get in here since before the Raiders/Bengals
game 'til now. I just recently changed job responsibilities and
inherited a heavy workload, so I proberly won't be gettin in here
as often as I'd like.
Raiders had a great win over Cinci, but really got their butts kicked
in the AFC championship game. Don't think Bo would have made that
much of a difference had he been healthy. The Raiders defense tore
it up all season long and then got torn up in their last game, they
didn't even have a clue. I personally think they screwed up during
Buffalos first drive. Kelly and crew were gaining yardage on every
play, but the Raiders defense was also gettin in there and they
almost got Kelly on a couple of occasions, until the defensive coaches
freaked out, called a time out, and changed their whole game plan.
Oh well, I guess anything at this point is just meaningless
speculation.
Carlos (who hopes the Raiders won't lose to many good players to
plan B, and who also thinks we might be seeing Major Harris
instead of Marinovich, or Hebert in silver and black)
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| 40.68 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Fri Mar 22 1991 10:06 | 6 |
| SportsChannel reported this morning that the Raiders will likely make
a contract offer to 49ers defensive back Ronnie Lott (who was left
unprotected in Plan B).
py
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| 40.69 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Pick up the pace .... | Fri Mar 22 1991 16:23 | 5 |
| Yea, the Raiders are willing to give Lott 2 years guaranteed. The
Niners only want to promise 1991. The Vikes are also in the running for
Lott's services as well.
BBBBIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG mistake by the NIners if they let Lott slip away.
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| 40.70 | Sorry to see him go!!! | BOSOX::KHARRIS | | Sat Mar 23 1991 11:25 | 5 |
| The Raiders lost a good one when the Jets signed Bill Pickel the other
day. I agree that the 49ers are making a big mistake if they let Lott
get away.
Kenn
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| 40.71 | Good pickup for skyward Jets | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | The crux of the biscuit | Mon Mar 25 1991 13:20 | 6 |
| WHat did Raiders fans think of Pickel's play last year? I've heard
it's been downhill since the pro bowl season of 2 or 3 years ago.
Whatever the case, the Jets are desparate for good, experienced DLs,
and it doesn't hurt that Pickel's a Rutgers grad.
Dan
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| 40.72 | Big mistake by SF!! | WMOIS::RIEU_D | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Mon Mar 25 1991 21:35 | 3 |
| Raiders got Lott. $1million per. The 9ers asked him to take $200,000
less. He told 'em: "see ya"!
Denny
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| 40.73 | Seen his best years... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Mar 26 1991 08:54 | 13 |
|
> Raiders got Lott. $1million per. The 9ers asked him to take $200,000
> less. He told 'em: "see ya"!
I dunno. The 49ers seem to have the Branch Rickey knack of moving a
player a year too early rather than a year too late. I suspect
they'll miss Lott's leadership, but injuries were slowing him down
late in the year. The 49ers have the foresight not to let all their
great players age on the field like the Steelers did, and so far it's
worked.
glenn
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| 40.74 | The Buffalo game was a fluke! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Mar 26 1991 09:52 | 14 |
| Ronnie Lott, left unprotected by the 49'ers despite being an All-Pro
last season, has signed a two-year contract wif da Raiders as a
Plan B free agent. He'll move from free safety to strong safety
with the Raiders, imagine that, Anderson and Lott in the same
backfield !! Ouch!
Greg Bell, Napolean McCallum, and Vance Mueller are all up for grabs.
This along with Bo's unknown future, could spell trouble for the
Raiders, especially if Bell signs with another team. Marcus is still
in MHO their best RB, but he's getting a little long in the tooth
and will need Bells help back there, although Steve Smith could
probably get the job done just as well.
Carlos
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| 40.75 | Oh, BTW: Bills 51, Faids 3 (heh, heh) | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Tue Mar 26 1991 10:02 | 2 |
| Just what the Raiders need, another old player on the decline. Is
Alzado gonna try another comeback this season? :^):^)
|
| 40.76 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Mar 26 1991 10:49 | 14 |
| >> -< Oh, BTW: Bills 51, Faids 3 (heh, heh) >-
Joe, if you thought that was funny, you'll love this one:
Donks 5-11, worst team in the AFC West. (hee hee heee....)
There, now that I got that outta my system, does anybody know how
last years first round pick, Anthony Smith, is doing? He looked
pretty good until that first game (?) when he got some kind of leg
injury. Just wondering...
Carlos
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| 40.77 | Read 'em & weep, Faider fans! | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Tue Mar 26 1991 10:55 | 6 |
|
> Donks 5-11, worst team in the AFC West. (hee hee heee....)
Well, don't laugh too long, Carlos, because this only means an easy
schedule for '91.
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| 40.78 | Raiders will be in it again next year...even bo-less | VLNVAX::MBROOKS | | Tue Mar 26 1991 13:22 | 8 |
| Big Deal the Raiders got the buts wipped by buffalo, It did buffalo
alot of good packing on the points and tiring down the team. Great
strategy score 51 pts to get to the superbowl just to come up short
in the big one. Raiders had a great season you cant take that away
and yes the donks will now get a good draft pick and an easy schedule
but the easy schedule still includes 2 games against each division foe
so that could be 8 loses right there :-)
MaB
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| 40.79 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Mar 26 1991 13:28 | 11 |
| >>Well, don't laugh too long, Carlos, because this only means an
>>easy schedule for '91.
Oooo, good point, that is unless the Donks choke against other last
place teams, which in turn would only add to the laughter. All in
all 'though, it should be one heck of a tough division this year,
with the Chargers improving by leaps and bounds, the Chiefs, Raiders,
and Donks making things fun, and the dreaded Seahawks (I ain't falling
for anything, anybody says about this team no more).
Carlos
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| 40.80 | not done | TPWEST::ALVIDREZ | I am no longer irritating | Tue Mar 26 1991 18:27 | 7 |
| Word on the radio is that the Raiders are also going after Roger Craig,
also unprotected, to help shore up the possible loss of Bo. Expect
a deal by the end of the week.
Nice name, "Raiders"
More news when I get it.
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| 40.81 | | NEST::PAPIA | | Wed Mar 27 1991 12:11 | 8 |
|
Art Shell said Anthony Smith could have played at the
end of last year but the rules wouldn't let him, so he's
ok.
Vinny
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| 40.82 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Mar 28 1991 17:12 | 9 |
| Thanks Vinny,
Good news about Anthony Smith, I'm sure he'll help out. In other
Raiders news, Greg Bell was said to be seriously considering an offer
by the Vikings. Imagine that, Walker and Bell in the same backfield!
I hope that the Raiders can sign Craig, just in case Bell does
split. Anybody else know anything about the Viking/Bell deal?
Carlos
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| 40.83 | Keep Bell!!! | NEST::PAPIA | | Fri Mar 29 1991 10:23 | 9 |
|
I can't understand why people keep getting rid of
Greg Bell, the guy is great. I'd keep him before Craig
or Allen, he's a much better running back than either
of them, they might be better receivers out of the back-
field but with LAs receivers who cares?
Vinny
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| 40.84 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Apr 01 1991 17:56 | 4 |
| The Broncos could use Bell. He would be a good back-up for Bobby
Humphrey. Isn't to late now to pick plan B folks?
T-bone
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| 40.85 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Apr 01 1991 18:05 | 9 |
| I was just thinking that its to bad Bo is gone, 'cause I thought the
guy was great.
If the Faiders have a crappy year, will the excuses be because Bo
is gone?
Just startin' early;^^
T-Bone
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| 40.86 | Raiders = 49'ers retirment home???? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Apr 02 1991 11:04 | 26 |
|
>>If the faiders have a crappy year, will the excuses be because
>>Bo is gone?
I doubt it, especially considering that the Raiders just signed
Roger Craig. Lets see, that puts Marcus Allen, Roger Craig, Greg
Bell (if he doesn't sign with somebody else), Steve Smith, Napolean
McCallum (if he doesn't sign either), and Vance Mueller (if he doesn't
sign) all playing for the Raiders. Miss Bo? Maybe, but I don't think
they will be needing him. :-(
>>The Broncos could use Bell.
So could the other 26 teams.
>>He would be a good back-up for Bobby Humphrey.
Or vice versa, I agree 'though, the Donks would have a great running
attack with both of them back there.
>>Isn't it to late now to pick plan B folks?
Don't know when the deadline is, but again, the Raiders just signed
Roger Craig yesterday.
Carlos
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| 40.87 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Apr 03 1991 15:35 | 38 |
| Here's a list of who the Raiders signed and lost through Plan B.
Signed Lost
------------------------------ -------------------------------
Stefon Adams, wr, Dolphins Bill Pickel, dt, to the Jets
O'Brien Alston, lb, Colts Alex Gordon, lb, to the Bengals
Roger Craig, rb, 49'ers Darrin Jordan, lb, to the 49'ers
Vencie Glenn, s, Chargers
Bruce Klostermann, lb, Rams
Ronnie Lott, db, 49'ers
Joel Patten, t, Chargers
This is what Don Heinrich's Pro Preview//90 had to say about some
of these guys.
Bill Pickel is a former Pro Bowl nose tackle, but has chronic back
problems and is starting to show his age (30). He's instinctive,
uses his hands and plays with good technique. He makes more plays
on effort than ability.
Vencie Glenn has become a better than average free safety. He runs
well, gets a nice jump on the ball, takes good angles and covers
a lot of ground. Though he's fearless, Glenn doesn't always wrap
up on tackles. He's also a sucker for play-action and gets caught
shallow.
O'Brien Alston underwent reconstructive knee surgery in '89 and
questions linger about how well he will rebound from his injury.
Joel Patten is smart and quick. He gives good effort, sustains and
makes few mistakes. But his strength doesn't always match his size
(6-7, 307). He's a catcher in run blocking and occasionally gets
knocked back in pass protection by a good bull rush. Otherwise he's
a solid pass protector who's tough to beat because of the real estate
his size allows him to cover.
Carlos
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| 40.88 | Bo Knows Rip Off....Cut down in him prime | VLNVAX::MBROOKS | | Wed Apr 03 1991 16:30 | 5 |
| Anybody out there who doesnt think that the Bo-less Raiders are as
good a team without him then with him DONT KNOW BO. The Raiders are
still going to be a tough team, they assured that by picking up Lott
and Craig but the Bo loss will be a factor...No Doubt.
MaB
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| 40.89 | Craig can't BLAST for TD like Bo;^^ | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Thu Apr 04 1991 17:17 | 15 |
| re.88
I'm glad you said that Bo is a big loss, 'cause last year (if my
sometimes volatile memory serves me right) some faider fans kept
saying how much of a difference Bo would have made in the Bills game,
or also, wait til Bo shows up in week ? after Baseball...You remember
all that type of talk.
Bruce Klosterman might help against the run, but for over the middle
coverage, forget it. He had potential until is knee went, IMO.
This SHOULD be a good "tough" season within the division. Are the
schedules released yet?
T-bone
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| 40.90 | | 7221::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Thu Apr 04 1991 17:18 | 6 |
| NFL schedules should be out within the next couple of weeks. They'll
all be available in the National and USA Today on the day they're
released and I'm sure many of them will be posted in this conference.
Be patient.
John
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| 40.91 | Need LB's | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Fri Apr 05 1991 09:04 | 9 |
| Greg Bell better than Allen???? I don't think so. Craig is aging so he
has an advantage over him. Bell throughout the course of last year,
when he played, repeatedly ran tentatively. I don't like the fact of
losing him to another team for nothing though. The Raiders must go
after LB's and OL in this draft. Buffalo destroyed them last year
because of their lack of coverage from the LB and safety positions.
Lott will sure up the safety position.
Kenn
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| 40.92 | | NEST::PAPIA | | Fri Apr 05 1991 13:30 | 10 |
|
Greg Bell only played a few games last year so he
can't be judged by that, the year before he had around
1400 yds. I've been a big fan of Marcus Allen for his
entire career but he can't run the ball anymore, he's
too slow. 3rd down out of the backfield is the perfect
role for him now.
Vinny
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| 40.93 | Moss a Raider! | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Sat Apr 13 1991 12:00 | 12 |
| You obviously didn't see too much of Marcus last year then. He had an
excellent season. Any back in the league could rush for over 1,000
yards behind the Rams OL. Charles White did, Dickerson did, Bell did,
and if I'm not mistaken, Cleveland Gary did last year.
Getting back to Raider news, the Raiders got LB Winston Moss from Tampa
Bay for future draft picks. Depending on what the draft picks will be,
this looks like a good pick up for the silver and black.
Kenn
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| 40.94 | Excellent???? | NEST::PAPIA | | Thu Apr 18 1991 09:20 | 9 |
|
I did see him quite a alot, he hit the line and fell
down or he would have a big hole closed because of his
lack of speed. Since when is 500 yds and under 4 yds a
carry excellent? He did look better this year than the
last few, he had maybe 3 good games.
Vinny
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| 40.95 | 1991 Schedule | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Sat Apr 20 1991 11:10 | 26 |
| Here's the Raiders schedule for the '91 season:
Sept 1.........at Houston, 2:00 pm (All times Mountain Standard)
Sept 8.............DENVER, 2:00 pm
Sept 15......INDIANAPOLIS, 2:00 pm
Sept 22........at Atlanta, 11:00 am
Sept 29.....SAN FRANCISCO, 2:00 pm
Oct 6...........SAN DIEGO, 2:00 pm
Oct 13.........at Seattle, 7:30 pm
Oct 20..........L.A. RAMS, 2:00 pm
Oct 28.....at Kansas City, MNF 7:00 pm
Nov 3............OPEN DATE........
Nov 10..........at Denver, 2:00 pm
Nov 17............SEATTLE, 2:00 pm
Nov 24......at Cincinnati, 11:00 am
Dec 1........at San Diego, 6:00 pm
Dec 8.............BUFFALO, 2:00 pm
Dec 16.....at New Orleans, MNF 7:00 pm
Dec 22........KANSAS CITY, 2:00 pm
All games capitalized are home games.
Carlos
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| 40.96 | Solid Draft | DASXPS::KHARRIS | | Mon Apr 22 1991 09:22 | 17 |
| In yesterdays draft, here are the Raiders selections;
1-Todd Marinovich QB USC
2-Nick Bell RB Iowa
4-Raghib "The Rocket" Ismail WR Notre Dame
The Raiders didn't have a 3rd round pick, I believe it went to Tampa
in the Winston Moss deal. I really like Marinovich and Bell. Bell is
6-2 and wieghs 252. He runs a 4.45 40 and has good hands. His stock
dropped as the draft got closer however many people feel it was a steal
for the Raiders. They made a trade with Seattle to obtain the pick. I'm
not sure of the details on the trade.
With Ismail the Raiders retain his rights for 4 years, the length of
his Canadien contract, and have the right of first refusal forever.
Kenn
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| 40.97 | Lyle Alzado being treated for a tumor | BASEX::BROWN | | Mon Apr 22 1991 15:01 | 13 |
|
I read in the paper last weekend that Lyle Alzado has a brain
tumor. He will be taking chemotheraphy for the tumor. He
also got into a scuffle with a policewoman at his home. The
policewoman alleges that Alzado pushed her against a balcony
railing. Lyle's doctors told the judge that with the tumor
he would be incapable of doing what the policewoman said.
I guess his speech is slurred and he has trouble walking.
Did anyone else hear about this?
\pjb
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| 40.98 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Apr 22 1991 16:00 | 17 |
| Re .97
Yeah, I read about that too. It's too bad about Alzado, according
to his physicians the tumor is in-operable and the only treatment
they can give him is radiation, chemo-therapy type stuff.
Re .96
I agree, so far the Raiders are doing a solid job in the draft.
Marinovich could turn out to be the Raiders future QB if he can
put the past behind him and clean it up a little. Nick Bell...
another great pick-up by the Raiders, though they weren't really
hurting at this position. Picking Ismail in the 4th might end up
being a wasted pick, but then again he might end up hating Canada
in which case the Raiders will make out like bandits.
Carlos
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| 40.99 | | DASXPS::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Tue Apr 23 1991 08:27 | 6 |
| Alzado has suffered a stroke, due to his brain cancer.
I haven't seen any comment about recovery, either the stroke or the
cancer.
lEe
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| 40.100 | 1991 NFL Draft | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Apr 23 1991 11:13 | 17 |
| Here's a list of players that the Raiders picked up in the draft.
Players are listed by round, overall selection, name, position,
and school.
1 (24) Todd Marinovich, QB, Southern Cal.
2 (43) Nick Bell, RB, Iowa
4 (100) Raghib Ismail, WR, Notre Dame
6 (146) Nolan Harrison, DT, Indiana
8 (213) Brian Jones, LB, Texas
8 (219) Todd Woulard, LB, Alabama A&M
9 (247) Tahaun Lewis, DB, Nebraska
10 (274) Andrews Glover, TE, Grambling
12 (330) Dennis Johnson, WR, Winston-Salem
Carlos
|
| 40.101 | ? | NEST::PAPIA | | Tue Apr 23 1991 16:23 | 7 |
|
Anybody know why Nick Bell lasted so long, we was rated
2nd best player in the draft! some people had him going in
the top 10.
Vinny
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| 40.102 | Looks like LA will lose opener;^ | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Apr 24 1991 19:18 | 6 |
| Moranovich future QB? Didn't faider fans say that about Buerlin and
Shroeder as well?
The good move for la was to take the rights of the Rocket man.
Tim
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| 40.103 | Hope it's not serious | NEST::PAPIA | | Thu Apr 25 1991 13:58 | 6 |
|
USA Today reported that Nick Bell has a knee problem
that might require surgery.
Vinny
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| 40.104 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Thu May 02 1991 19:28 | 5 |
| Read in the paper today that Alzado was being arrained for hitting a
female officer somehere in California....I wonder if it has something
to do with his brain illness or stupidity?
Tj
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| 40.105 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Graphic sexual innuendo | Thu May 09 1991 14:32 | 18 |
|
Something funny is going on here. Alzado's lawyer says he is
practically unable to stand up, and couldn't have done it. Is the cop
an LA cop? I wonder if they are trying to get out from under the
backlash?
BTW- If any of you Raider fans would like a little graphic thingy that
makes your prompt look like a offishul Raiders' helmet, I have somethin
filed away. Before one of you non-technoweenies get horrified at the
thought that I may have lost my Nontechnoweenies Club Memberrship Card
(and therefore the precidency), my customer created this command file,
and he mailed it to me. All of the thousands of Phoenix Cardinal fans
are also in luck, as he made one of those too. I think there is a
dragon and a enterprise thingy (as well as his company's logo). Let me
know if you want me to mail it to you.
Bruce
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| 40.107 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus. | Fri May 10 1991 12:34 | 7 |
| Hi Bruce,
I'll take a copy of that Raider helmet thingy too if you don't mind.
Any news on Raider #2 draft pick Nick Bells injury?
Carlos
|
| 40.108 | A Mess O' Prompts, some of them team logos | SHALOT::MEDVID | could not hear or see for jealousy | Fri May 10 1991 12:50 | 849 |
| After the form feed is a command file that gives you a bunch of prompts
to choose from. You have to be using or emulating a 340 (or above)
terminal for them to work. Extract this command file and run it and
the rest should be self explanatory.
--dan'l
PS: I'm no technoweenie, but I think this is all you need. If there
are problems, let me know.
$ esc[0,7] = 27
$ off :== "''esc'[0m" ! all term. attributes off
$ bold :== "''esc'[1m" ! term. bold
$ if p1 .eq. 1 then goto _4x4
$ if p1 .eq. 2 then goto _arrow
$ if p1 .eq. 3 then goto _face
$ if p1 .eq. 4 then goto _jollyroger
$ if p1 .eq. 5 then goto _fish
$ if p1 .eq. 6 then goto _fishin
$ if p1 .eq. 7 then goto _island
$ if p1 .eq. 8 then goto _horse
$ if p1 .eq. 9 then goto _car
$ if p1 .eq. 10 then goto _America
$ if p1 .eq. 11 then goto _enterprise
$ if p1 .eq. 12 then goto _cow
$ if p1 .eq. 13 then goto _ship
$ if p1 .eq. 14 then goto _batman
$ if p1 .eq. 15 then goto _superman
$ if p1 .eq. 16 then goto _ski
$ if p1 .eq. 17 then goto _Bruins
$ if p1 .eq. 18 then goto _Whalers
$ if p1 .eq. 19 then goto _Patriots
$ if p1 .eq. 20 then goto _Raiders
$ if p1 .eq. 21 then goto _Redskins
$ if p1 .eq. 22 then goto _Saints
$ if p1 .eq. 23 then goto _Steelers
$ if p1 .eq. 24 then goto _Vikings
$ if p1 .eq. 25 then goto _49ers
$ if p1 .eq. 26 then goto _Broncos
$ if p1 .eq. 27 then goto _Cowboys
$ if p1 .eq. 28 then goto _Dolphins
$ if p1 .eq. 29 then goto _Eagles
$ if p1 .eq. 30 then goto _Falcons
$ if p1 .eq. 31 then goto _Giants
$ if p1 .eq. 32 then goto _Jets
$ if p1 .eq. 33 then goto _Chiefs
$ if p1 .eq. 34 then goto _Lions
$ if p1 .eq. 35 then goto _Oilers
$ if p1 .eq. 36 then goto _Packers
$ if p1 .eq. 37 then goto _Phoenix
$ if p1 .eq. 38 then goto _RedSox
$ if p1 .eq. 39 then goto _Sonics
$ if p1 .eq. 40 then goto _76ers
$ if p1 .eq. 41 then goto _Bulls
$ if p1 .eq. 42 then goto _Cavs
$ if p1 .eq. 43 then goto _Celtics
$ if p1 .eq. 44 then goto _Hawks
$ if p1 .eq. 45 then goto _Warriors
$ if p1 .eq. 46 then goto _Lakers
$ if p1 .eq. 47 then goto _BlueJays
$ if p1 .eq. 48 then goto _Sabers
$ if p1 .eq. 49 then goto _Flyers
$ if p1 .eq. 50 then goto _Canadiens
$ if p1 .eq. 51 then goto _NorthStars
$ if p1 .eq. 52 then goto _Rangers
$ if p1 .eq. 53 then goto _Vancouver
$ write sys$output bold,"Prompt Choice:"
$ write sys$output bold,"**************"
$ write sys$output off,"1. 4x4 21. Redskins 41. Bulls
$ write sys$output off,"2. Arrow 22. Saints 42. Cavs
$ write sys$output off,"3. Face 23. Steelers 43. Celtics
$ write sys$output off,"4. JollyRoger 24. Vikings 44. Hawks
$ write sys$output off,"5. Fish 25. 49ers 45. GS Warriors
$ write sys$output off,"6. Gone Fishing 26. Broncos 46. Lakers
$ write sys$output off,"7. Island 27. Cowboys 47. BlueJays
$ write sys$output off,"8. Horse 28. Dolphins 48. Sabers
$ write sys$output off,"9. Car 29. Eagles 49. Flyers
$ write sys$output off,"10. America 30. Falcons 50. Canadiens
$ write sys$output off,"11. Enterprise 31. Giants 51. NorthStars
$ write sys$output off,"12. Cow 32. Jets 52. Rangers
$ write sys$output off,"13. Ship 33. Chiefs 53. Vancouver
$ write sys$output off,"14. Batman 34. Lions
$ write sys$output off,"15. Superman 35. Oilers
$ write sys$output off,"16. Skier 36. Packers
$ write sys$output off,"17. Bruins 37. Cardinals
$ write sys$output off,"18. Whalers 38. RedSox
$ write sys$output off,"19. Patriots 39. Sonics
$ write sys$output off,"20. Raiders 40. 76ers
$ inquire ke_uze "Make your choice..."
$ if ke_uze .eq. 1 then goto _4x4
$ if ke_uze .eq. 2 then goto _Arrow
$ if ke_uze .eq. 3 then goto _Face
$ if ke_uze .eq. 4 then goto _JollyRoger
$ if ke_uze .eq. 5 then goto _Fish
$ if ke_uze .eq. 6 then goto _Fishin
$ if ke_uze .eq. 7 then goto _Island
$ if ke_uze .eq. 8 then goto _Horse
$ if ke_uze .eq. 9 then goto _Car
$ if ke_uze .eq. 10 then goto _America
$ if ke_uze .eq. 11 then goto _Enterprise
$ if ke_uze .eq. 12 then goto _Cow
$ if ke_uze .eq. 13 then goto _Ship
$ if ke_uze .eq. 14 then goto _Batman
$ if ke_uze .eq. 15 then goto _Superman
$ if ke_uze .eq. 16 then goto _Ski
$ if ke_uze .eq. 17 then goto _Bruins
$ if ke_uze .eq. 18 then goto _Whalers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 19 then goto _Patriots
$ if ke_uze .eq. 20 then goto _Raiders
$ if ke_uze .eq. 21 then goto _Redskins
$ if ke_uze .eq. 22 then goto _Saints
$ if ke_uze .eq. 23 then goto _Steelers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 24 then goto _Vikings
$ if ke_uze .eq. 25 then goto _49ers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 26 then goto _Broncos
$ if ke_uze .eq. 27 then goto _Cowboys
$ if ke_uze .eq. 28 then goto _Dolphins
$ if ke_uze .eq. 29 then goto _Eagles
$ if ke_uze .eq. 30 then goto _Falcons
$ if ke_uze .eq. 31 then goto _Giants
$ if ke_uze .eq. 32 then goto _Jets
$ if ke_uze .eq. 33 then goto _Chiefs
$ if ke_uze .eq. 34 then goto _Lions
$ if ke_uze .eq. 35 then goto _Oilers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 36 then goto _Packers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 37 then goto _Phoenix
$ if ke_uze .eq. 38 then goto _RedSox
$ if ke_uze .eq. 39 then goto _Sonics
$ if ke_uze .eq. 40 then goto _76ers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 41 then goto _Bulls
$ if ke_uze .eq. 42 then goto _Cavs
$ if ke_uze .eq. 43 then goto _Celtics
$ if ke_uze .eq. 44 then goto _Hawks
$ if ke_uze .eq. 45 then goto _Warriors
$ if ke_uze .eq. 46 then goto _Lakers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 47 then goto _BlueJays
$ if ke_uze .eq. 48 then goto _Sabers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 49 then goto _Flyers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 50 then goto _Canadiens
$ if ke_uze .eq. 51 then goto _NorthStars
$ if ke_uze .eq. 52 then goto _Rangers
$ if ke_uze .eq. 53 then goto _Vancouver
$ _4x4:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?{CcSKkkkk/?FDsy|}}}}/???BBBBB?A�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????MQy~Fo/kkkKKSfF{F/}}}|ysFCFC/?BBBBB????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GGwWWWOOo?/GGFCCCCCFc/CCCCs{}~~}/????BBBBB?�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??____????/eDCCCFCw??/}~~}{{sF??/A?BBBBB???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???FN^~~}}/oowwww{{}~/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}~~^NF????/}{www{{}~}/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????FN^~~}/{{o_ow{{{}/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}~~^NF???/~}{woo_?_o/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/ow{}~}{www/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/wwww{}~}{w/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/o?????????/@?????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*+,-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Arrow:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOOOOOOOOO/^^^^^^^^^^/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOOOOOOOOO/^^^^^^^^^^/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOOOOOOOOO/^^^^^^^^^^/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOOOOOOO^@/^^^^^^^^^^/@@@@@@@@^O/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1qcGO_?????/~~^McPIC??/HCA@??????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&')1[0m"
$ goto exit
$ _Face:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???_w{o_FN/[}~~~nFB??/BBBBBB@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1__oww{{{{{/^NNFFBB@@@/??A@LLL@a_/??????AB@?�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{{wwo__?/@BBBFN^^^^/Q@LDL@A??D/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/}}{wo__???/\\~v~~~f??/?@BBBBBBB?�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?X~~~XwO??/??????@BM[/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???CMNNGGG/obBFECEECE/?@BEMKGWOO/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????o/ECEFBBo{MB/OWGKMFB???/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wG\|~~^Z??/@?????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _JollyRoger:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~NFCAaaqII/~???BCCCCA/~?????????/B?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1IIqCCCGGGO/CHqQKGccCC/?FGGobFFB_/?AA@??BAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOOOOOOGGG/CCCCccCKIp/owobFFboGG/AAAAAB??@A�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1SkKKIqaa}?/XGCACCCC~?/F???????~?/A???????B?�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~?[QqQACAA/~ooOGHHHHH/~~~???????/BBB???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1xGCAA?FHPP/HGGGOOO___/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1PPPPHF?AAC/_????????_/?@@@@@@@@?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1gX?AAQqQ~?/_`PPPHGGN?/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@@???????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*
+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Fish:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/?????O???E/?????A????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???__ooWww/FF~~^n~y~F/??B@B?@BB?�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????_oOG/k{}Yttvvvt/z\un~XMf|~/BB@BABBBB@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1G{{O?@`wo?/vvz~|~~F@?/]^FFBBR???/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/O?????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????@????/??????????/??????????/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??F^~wn~~_/OO???@BE^^/AIA?CC?OOg/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^|ze~vzNN[/^]\~~~~[wo/g__??@@BBB/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1WO????????/ooooow{i??/FNJ]^~~i??/@@?????@??�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/HG__??????/??????????/@@@@??????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Fishin:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?wggw_____/?Lnjrbbbrz/????????@B�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_________o/Zzrbbbrjfb/BB@???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????w/ow???????~/`______oo~/?????????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CCCCCcccaa/?????NIIII/__OGCA@`px/@@@@@@@@@B�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1aaaaaaA@@@/NIIIIN?}Ay/XXxp`@@@@@/BBB@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@@\TTT\TT/IyIIIIIIIQ/?BBB@@@@@@/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1]AcW??????/a@????????/`pxXXxp`@~/@@BBBB@@@?�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()*
+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Island:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???????_WK/????_OGGcQ/???A@?A@??�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????AAaaAE/EEBbbRrrZ^/IDDA@@?___/?AAAAA@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1E{{w?????_/NM^~mNNNLL/_??@F?_oww/?@???BBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1___???????/\Xx`??????/wwo`A?????/BBBBB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_[B?{b____/^OOO^_????/??????@AAC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1b_____`___/??????????/CGGGG?OOOO/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_____`bfnn/?K[]MNNFFF/OO________/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1nnfb`_____/BB????????/__________/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1________??/??????????/_________?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Horse:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???_oww[}E/w}~~~PFH?F/BBBBBBBAA?�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?__oGCC]}^/jNP@????@C/GOo_??????/????@@B@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wwwcA}]F??/RWZOB@AC{?/????????@A/@@A???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/CGOO_?????/AA???B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1BBBFN^|LL?/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??wCA@????/??@AC?????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???@ACHIKH/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1JJGCCB????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Car:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????_OGGKK/[QPPOOw{mm/???????@BB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1IIE@@DJRRR/{wOOOOOOOO/@?????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1RRRUWOOO__/OOOOOOOOw{/?????????@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1___???????/mm{xPVSW??/BB@???????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _America:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??{w}{{{ww/?~~~~~~~~~/?@~~~~~~~~/??@BBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wwoooooooo/~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oo________/~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1__OWGcccaa/~}}~~@@s}}/~~~~pw{~~~/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1aAAccgO???/~px{wxxTQG/~~~~~~}}}~/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????___oow/Ccexw{~~~^/~~~~~NBL??/BBBB??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1ww}~^NG???/F@BAAB????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???@F^~~~~/????????@@/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/@BBFFBN~~~/????????@?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~/BFN^^~~~`@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/^NFFFNBBFB/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/BBFFFFFNNN/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;15;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~@??????/^~w_??????/??BN[o????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()
*+,-./)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Enterprise:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oowwwwwwww/??@@BBBBBB/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wwww{}}}||/BBBBBEENNN/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1|}}}{wwwww/NNEEBBFFLN/????????OO/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wwwwwwwwoo/^\~~|~~|wo/w{mA~~}~~}/?@BABBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???CMZP^^~/_????????~/~~~}}}}}}~/BBBBBBBBB@�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~^^^^^^^^/~~????????/~~}]]]MMMC/@?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^^^^^^^^^^/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^^^NFFBB@?/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()*
+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Cow:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??_owwwwWW/?}B~~^^N??/{B?~_ow{{{/B???BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GGGOOGGww{/???????@BB/www{wo_???/BBBBBBBBBA�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{{{{{{[G/~~~~~~~???/BFNNFF@??_/AAABBAAAAB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GGGGwGGGG{/?????@@A{@/owww{{_^__/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{{[GGGw?/B~B@{A@@??/mnm__^????/B?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1FE??x~~~^~/????~~F@?~/????~^w???/????@@@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/~~@@@?????/F~^w??????/?@@@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/??@@@@@???/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~^/B~~~o@~~~?/?~^~??~^_?/?@@@??@@@?�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1B?????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Ship:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/?????????_/???????A??�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?????_?G?A/?G?A_ow{}n/??ABBBBBAB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?_OG}}c?G?/_OGC~~__@?/rwC@~~^nnv/B@??BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1O?_???????/A?C?hWICCq/{}~~}{o???/BBBBBBBB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/Eo????????/??A???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??_G?A_OGK/AFcgYOg_A@/???????@BB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1m~~~^^f{~~/@BBFFFNVfH/EEM]{{{{{|/??????@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~???~~k~~~/OO_?~~DDFF/}}}}~~}}}}/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~w/FDFFFDdfff/}}}}~~~~~^/@@@@@@@@??�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??@K_?????/cccctMC???/^NFB??????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Batman:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????__/??ow[MMFB@/?M~p_?????/??@BBA????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oooWWGKk{{/@?????ENN^/???__?????/?BBBBBBA??�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{}}}}}}BF^/^^^NNF????/???__?????/?BBBBBA???�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~^FA}}}}/???????FNN/????????__/??????ABBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}{{{{kKGWW/^^^^NNE???/????????__/BBA???ABBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1ooo__?????/??@@BFMM[w/?????????p/BB?????ABB�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/o?????????/~M????????/@?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????@BBEKG/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1WPV~~~~~~}/??????@@@@/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~}{w/@BBBBBBFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_?_w{}~~~~/FEFFFFBBBB/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~{~~~~~/BB@@@@@???/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;15;1;10;1;2;20;0{1VPWGKEBB@?/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()
*+,-./)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Superman:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/???_OGcqx{/KQ`CM^^~~~/???@A????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OGcqx|||||/}~~~~~~~zp/~~~~~~~~~~/@@BBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1|\\|||}{wo/o__?@FFFFB/~~~~~}}{{w/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_?????????/@@ACGO_???/wwooo??`QK/BBBBBB@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????@ACGO/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1owwwwop```/?@BFHP`BFF/???????@AC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@BBBFFFN~~/N^~}]MEB@?/CA@???????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^NFB@?????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Ski:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?GO_??????/????@ACKWo/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???DACIO_?/_??????OkD/@BEKWwgGHI/??????@BA?�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/ECCCCCGGOP/IKkGG?ACGo/??@B@@@AA@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oo__??????/`NR`CG?O_?/WHxF``AK~?/@A?@A?@@@?�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????@B/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EKYr_?????/????@BEKWo/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?ADCCDA???/_?????????/@ACGGGG???/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Bruins:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/?????o{]FB/???w~F@???/???BBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1ooWWKMEEFB/FN~~BBBbbb/??~~???~~p/BBBB??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1B~~~BBFEEM/bbbbbbbBFM/pppppp~^??/????????AB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1KWWoo_????/[w{NFBF]{o/_p~?????@F/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/~w????????/BB????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???N~p@@@@/????@F^{o_/????????@B/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@~~???}}E/_o~~___bbb/FFLLXxppp`/????????@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EEEEEE}{?@/bbbbbbb`ow/`~~~``pppw/@@@@@@@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1BF~@@@@@@p/[N^wo_o{^F/WKKEFB@???/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~N????????/@?????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Whalers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????}}w_??/????FN^~~~/????{wo_@@/????BBBBBA�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/~}}}}}{{{{/BBBFFF^~~~/????????BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/wo??ow{{{{/~~~~~~~~~^/BBBBBBBB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????_w/}}}}}~~~~^/FFFBBB@@_o/??????ABBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}????????/NF????????/w{????????/BB????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????~~~~~~/????~~~~~~/????BN^^^~/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}????????F/~????????}/~{{{{{{{[^/?@@BB@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1FFFFFFF???/}}}}}}}???/^NBBN^^[{{/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????}~~~~/?????~~~~~/{{{{{~~^^^/@BB@@?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~????????/~~????????/NB????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Patriots:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/?????????[/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????GGWW{{/???__oOWwf/}~~~~~N}{x/@BBBBBB?BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{]^Z^Z^]{{/W_@PSP@_Wf/rudm]}lar|/@@@AAA@@BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{WWGG?????/wGGwwwwo__/{}~^~~~~~r/BBB?BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/B?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????_OG/?????w}~{w/????GKNNNL/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CA@F~~~~Ym/wKKA?@~nff/???????FGW/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}Z^CNZ^y}M/f~k??ADIGD/}}}~{w????/??@@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1Inn}[LDNNR/B??@EKWwww/???????@@B/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_?????????/w~s_??????/JNNNKGG???/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Raiders:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?{GOO___??/?B{?????@@/???No?????/?????B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????___O/`PPpdD?AA?/@AAA@FMKoK/???????B?A�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OGGE@EGGOO/?A?A@AA?AA/EB@~~~@BEK/A@@@B@@@AA�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1___???????/C?CD`tPP`@/oKMF@AAA@?/?B????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?___OOG{??/@?????{B??/????oN????/???B??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????@EWo_/?????????@/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????No~/EKO_?OWKKB/????BACKWO/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AEMm`_AA?~/KWaaaaaWKB/ObAACAaROO/??@BB@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oN???????_/?EEKG_OKE@/GKCAB?????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oWE@??????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Redskins:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/????????_O/????_WEB_W/????B???BA�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????_oww/GGcSqNN~~~/EoN@_C}~~~/?@???BBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{}}}~~^^/~~~~~~z???/~~~~~~????/BBBBB@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNEEEKOo/??????_oOW/????_o???o/??ABB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/^W_???????/_??@Ew????/?@B@@?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??WKFBz|eo/?????K~~~F/?????AB@??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1og[]~~~~^^/A@@@~FD[Ox/?OWVoo____/????????@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^~FNZ____?/l[~~}w_@BB/@BBEE^v~]{/@@BAAAABBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/FN~NFBB@@@/w{F???????/BBA???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AMr???????/@@????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Saints:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/????????__/?????w]NFB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/ooooo__???/@@@@BBFN]{/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??w~w?????/_~~~~~_???/~~~~~~~{]N/@BBBBB@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/__ooooo__?/FBB@@@@BFN/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/]w????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????[}/??F][www[[/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}~~~~~}]K?/}~~~~~}[[w/?F^~^F????/???@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/ww[]F?????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Steelers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/????_WKE@?/??oN@__?__/??B??BA?A@�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oWGCCAAAA@/????????GG/_?_?_?__?_/A@A?@AA@A@�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@@`x`@AAA/[[}~~~}[[G/?__BNB????/?BA?????AA�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1ACCGWo_???/G??????@EK/??_w}w_???/BBBBBBBBBA�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/W_????????/?@No??????/A??B??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??No?AB?B?/???BEWo_??/???????@AC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1A@A?BA?B?B/????????GG/KWO__?????/?????@@@@A�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?AB_w_????/[[}~~~}[[G/???BNB????/AAAAAAA@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@BF^FB@@?/G???????_o/?__OWKCA@?/@?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??oN??????/WEB???????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Vikings:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CWo__?????/??@BFN]]}}/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???oKA@@@`/}}~~~~~~~~/?~__ooowxY/BBBBB@@AAB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1PPQQcCGOO_/~~~]_~_oww/]^mmvzMQQY/BBBBBB????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/\MK{??????/YU^sJW_???/?A?@???@A?�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/????_OGCA@/?ABBAAAAAA/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OKB@EN^~~~/????????\~/ACw?????M~/??@??????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~^F@???_/nvz[?_{}~^/vz|M@~~N@@/@@@?@@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1row}|{{{{B/NFB@???BC{/@@@@@@@@@?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*
+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _49ers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????_o/??_w{MFB@@/{~F@??????/BB????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oWWKKKEEEe/????????^~/????????__/????????BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1frrrrrrrrr/~xxoo_____/_@@XZZzzzZ/BBBAAAAAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1rrrbbrrFEE/_?@@BBB???/ZVFN}}{?WW/AABBBB@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EEKKKWWoo_/????????@@/www???????/?@@???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/BFM{w_????/????@F~{??/??????BB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1F^{o_?????/???BFM[Woo/?????????@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????@@/_?????????/@BBEEEKKKK/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??@@@@|||x/???___~~~~/[WWXXXXXXX/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1XXXXW}}???/___??@@???/XXXWWW[KKK/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???????_oo/KEEEBB@@??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???_o{^F??/W[MFB?????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Broncos:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?}}}}}}}}}/?@@@@@@~~~/???????~~~/???????BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}}}]]M/~^^NHf_OSI/~~~~PKARGE/B@@??A????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1M]]]]}}]MM/A?????WOEH/?????oGGGG/??????@A??�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}{{{ww/Xp``BBBF^~/GO[cLPXMoL/???????B??�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oo_???????/~~~~{o????/BBf~~~????/BA?@@B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????~~~/???????~~~/?}}}}}}~~~/?@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~}{nhIcO?_/~~~~??Fw??/~~~~}}}~}}/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_???O_?@EG/?@ACC@????/}}}}}}}}}}/@@@@@@@@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OO_???__@~/oYbIHxK?`R/~qqxxsqpW[/@@@@@?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~{wo`AAC/NF~~~N?@AC/MNFB??????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1G?????????/G?????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Cowboys:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???????___/????????@A/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/__________/ECGYQeM]}}/??????@A?@�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???_WEpEW_/_WEp{~~~{p/}}~~~~~~~~/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/EW________/~}}}}]MeQY/BBB@?A@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/______????/GCEA@?????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????_WEp{/??_WEp[Nnf/??BCCAA@??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}~~~~^N^~~/RJHCAA@AAC/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~}{pEW_??/HJRfnN[pEW/?????@AACC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_?????????/B?????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Dolphins:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????__?@/?????__wF@/???????B??�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????cgOOGG/yCAHHKK]]]/????_w{}~~/???ABBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GKFCCCCCFC/}}}{{}}~~~/~^Nfvzz||}/BABB@@BBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?wCqQaQqCK/~^{XwWw|{}/}~~N~~~~NF/B@?ABB@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wO_???????/~yz}{w__??/FKLjJNNFN]/???B@@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/[G????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????CCNo?/??????AA@A/?????????o/?????????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??}~~~~NFB/?N~~~B????/{}^NFBBFEE/@?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@??CEBB@@/??????????/Mg?OOoOOOW/@????@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??AB@@????/????????_O/ggGCCIQ@??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??oNGG????/kE@AAC????/?@????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Eagles:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??AMsCGOOO/?????@ACGO/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1O___??????/OPaedLHQEW/????Wdia`P/?????B@B??�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_____?__OG/__?CCB`_??/??@@@B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????__OOO/gcSQLaQpLI/WGCKIQp???/???????@BA�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OOGS{S????/GCBD??????/??????????/AA????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????oowsw/??????@@BB/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1ssqiIDA@@@/BB@???????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAEGGOOsg/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1IXTEA?????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Falcons:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????_OWCEA/??EFCAAA@@/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AaaaAAAAAA/@??^caW?_?/????FXoM@{/??????@A?B�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAAAA}aaa/?????~GGGH/A?o??~????/??B??B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1aaaaaesSSS/ZQacScgo??/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1SWO???????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????@EN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o_~??~????/?@BCKH^???/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Giants:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}~~FBFNMK?/~~~??[{{{[/FN^[W[^^N?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?~~~~??{~~/[~~~~?}~~\/?^^^^^^^@?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1BN~~{o??~~/[[^~~~o?~~/???@^^^^^^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~{_??~~~~/~~N^~}~~~~/^^???F^^^^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1FF~~~~FF~~/??~~~~??BF/??^^^^??N^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~nFFN^][?/FNN^}}{{w?/^][[]^^NF?/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNNNN?/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Jets:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/????????_~/????????BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/__________/~~~~^??_{{/BBBB???BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????A/__________/{{{[[[[[[[/BBB???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1K{wo_?????/__bn~~~}}}/???[[[[{{{/???????BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/{{{{{wwwww/{{{[[[[???/BBB???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/wooooooo__/w{{{{[[[[[/BBBBBBA???�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/__????????/[?????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????}~~/FFFFFFFFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~B??w~~~/FFB???FFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~FFFFFF??/FFFFFFFFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????_}~~~/?????FFFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~^@???????/F????FFFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;15;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@BFN^~~~}{/FFFFFFFFFF/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()
*+,-./)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Chiefs:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_______~~~/~~~~~~~ww?/~~~~~~~~~?/BBBBBBBBB?�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~}}}}}/???w~~~^GG/???B`_oGO_/???BBB????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}{{{{wwwwo/???_oWWW^~/ADHOowwwww/B????@BBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oo__??????/~~~^^^}{{w/oo@???~~~~/BBB???BBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/oo_???????/~~~~}{wo_?/BBBBBBBBB@�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~www/~~~~~~~~~~/???????^^^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wwwww~_?NH/~~~~~~~}{w/^^^^^NNNNN/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1HWwwwwww~~/woo``bbbbb/NFFFFBBBB@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~^NFFN~~~/`pow[]NNFB/@@????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~^NFB@??/@@????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Lions:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/owWwo?????/@??@BBA???�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????g/??????_y~~/???_ow}~~~/?ABBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o{{}}}}{{w/~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~/BBBBBB@@@?�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wooo__????/~zy{XW[[ME/||{[[WWWWW/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1__????????/FBBEA?????/WW[[K?????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????BFFMM/???????[}~/????????@B/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~^^/FB@?BFFFFF/FMKK??????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NB`_??????/BBB@??????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Oilers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/????????BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?oooo}}qqq/??o~NWo_?_/??~~WKEB@B/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}oooo????/oWN~o?????/EKW~~?????/BBBBBBBBB?�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/?????????}/?????????B�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?~~EKWo_?_/}~@_oWKFBF/~FB@??????/B?????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oWKE~~????/KWo_@~}???/???@BF~w??/??????BB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%
&'(
))1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Packers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????????_o/??_w{}~NFF/{~~~F@????/BBBB??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oww{{{}]]]/BB@@????__/????o{}~~~/????BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^NNNNNNNNN/ooowwwwwww/~~~~~^^^^^/BBBBB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNN^]]/wwwwwooo__/^^^^^^^^^^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1]}{{{wwoo_/????@@BBFN/^]]]]]]]]]/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/~~}{w_????/]^^^~~~{??/????BBBB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1F^~~{o_???/???BFN^^}{/?????????@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????@FN^~~/{wwoo___??/@BBFFFNNNN/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~{{{{{/@@@BBBBBBB/^^]]]]]]]]/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{{{{{{{[/BBBB@@@???/]]]]]]^NNN/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1[K????????/___ooww{{}/NFFFBB@@??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?_o{~~^F??/^^NFB?????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Phoenix:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1K[Wwwwwooo/???AEV~~~~/????????@F/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oooo______/~~~~~~~~~~/N~~~~~~~~~/??@@BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1__ooww{{{}/~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~|||wwo/BBBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}{{{wwo/^^^NNNNNNN/_????@BB@G/BBA???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/NKo???????/Sa@@@HHHii/??@B@@@@??�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/i[G???????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????@@BN^/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~~~/@BN~~~~^^^/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~}}~}{wOG/^^~~~^F@??/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CA@???????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _RedSox:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????_oOG/?_oKA@????/{B??_??O__/B?AAA@@@?A�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GCCCEAAAAA/??ow{{}xxq/?{~~~~~~Nr/BBBBBB@ABB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AaIa]CSCGG/]rm?@?????/{~~F??_?O_/BB??A?A@@A�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1Oo_???????/???@A[__??/gOOSgGGB{?/?@??????B?�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1Fw???@WcBF/??FKO_??@@/??????@AAC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1n~~~~pqbbV/BBBfFnN^^~/CGIG^OQOOO/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^~}{}|{XGG/fEEEhRBBAA/OPPPWGGGCC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1OO_????wF?/@@?_OKF???/AA@???????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Sonics:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/???????oWK/????oMB???/????B?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??_oOGGCCC/EHGOo?????/?????BCYaE/????????B?�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAA@@@@@~/??_w_????~/FN^~^NFEA~/???B?????B�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@@@@AAAAC/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CCGGOo_???/????oOGHEK/_WEB?_____/B????BBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/Wo????????/__BMo?????/BB??B?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????~AAAAA/????F{{{{{/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAaaaaa~_/{__~~~~~~~/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_??~??ooo~/~ww~ww~~~~/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o~~~~~~~??/~~~~~~~~}~/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~AAAA~~~~~/~~~~o~~~~~/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~AA~?????/~~}}F?????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _76ers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????_WKE/????oN@?o{/????B???@B�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?_owGCCAAA/@?O?HBQCGO/wpc_g_sp?_/BBBBBBB?BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1A@@@@@@~@@/_?????wF??/oRsgCB???_/??@@????A@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAACCGwo_/????_[E@??/oWKB@?????/???????AAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/@EKW_?????/????@No???/AAAAAAB???�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????Np@@??/?????BEWo_/?????????@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??_w{MB?~~/?ffVVOG?@B/BCKWO__???/???????@@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EK{w?oxhw?/FEB`WBFCC?/??{B??????/@ABAAAAAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GwQIX@xgG?/CFC?W_CDF?/????_`UWKC/@@@@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????oN???/?_oWEB????/A@????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Bulls:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???_WCC]b?/???BKWo_?@/???????_PP/????????@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/@@@@pHF@@@/QIIMFoW[{w/AAAAA?@A?A�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/HhhhhHxHhh/oaAAct~tcA/BBBBBB?BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/hhH@@@FHp@/Aaow{[WoFM/BBBA?A@?AA�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????b]CCW_/@@@@?_oWKB/IIQPP_????/AAA@@?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????NsTTJ/??????@BkU/???????Np?/?????????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{??`@???@`/POWHIIIIIH/?brPUOOOUP/AAAAAAAAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??{JTTsN??/WOPUkB@???/rb??pN????/AAA@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+
,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Cavs:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?oww{}]]]]/~~~~b?????/@BBBBA???A�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/}{}}???_ow/?`px{}~~~z/BBBB@?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/{}}}}M}}}{/x~~~~??BN~/?BBBB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?w{{}}}}}}/oFn^^~~~~^/~~{xCiPiCx/BBBBB???BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{w????????/~Fo{}}}}}}/{~~~NB?BN^/BBB????BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/}}}]]]}{}}/^][[[{{|xp/A???AABBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?@BFFNNNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNN??NN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNN???/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?BNNNNKNNN/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NB?????NNB/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNNNFFB@/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Celtics:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?{aaTXN`PJ/?@EIYPXSUx/????????Ol/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1Ew??????_{/lB???WXPPF/y`]o__???o/?@AAA?@B@@�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}~^^^]{sCC/XS`dgORlb_/wepwmi~~_?/BB?BBAABB@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_?????????/_@@A[_????/?@AA??B???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????\vV||/??????bcw_/??N~^zaaAA/??@BBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1Vx}^]JJME~/_ec[C??oN?/^ac|CCCB??/BBBB??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???JsS^S_?/????BK~cB?/??????wF??/?????@????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&
'()*
+)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Hawks:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????_oow/??_w}~~nfb/??BBBBBBBB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1w{{[]]]NNN/`_________/BBBBRrrrrr/???????@??�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1NNNNN]]][{/_?????????/RBFNM]wwoo/?????????@�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{wwoo_????/?@@BFN~}{w/o__????BN~/BBBB?????B�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_?????????/~~o???????/BBB???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?????____o/????@FFN^^/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/oowwwW[[KK/|wwwoooo__/??@@@BBBBB�"
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$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~^???????/NF????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Warriors:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/?_oOOOW[UP/?@}???????/???B?A????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_oWGCCAAAA/R[o_??????/??~?@ACCGG/??@A??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@@@@~@@@@A/????~?????/Oo__~__oOG/????B?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAACCGWo_?/?????_oKB@/GCCA@?????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/EKW_??????/???@No????/?????B????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1GWWw}~}wWW/?CFB@CXrfS/????????@A/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1G???@ACKSc/__????????/CKXQecCGGO/??????@@@@�"
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$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Lakers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????OOOo/??????_w}~/?????ABBBB�"
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$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/Wo????????/Cd{w??w{kC/B@@????@BB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/CCWC??????/BA????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??_w}~~^FD/AABBBBBAAA/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CE`oCFFCFF/ABB\O_????/??????@AAC/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1C?pFECEFDC/??@Mo?????/CGGGH]OOOO/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1FB__oW????/BB@@??????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-.)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _BlueJays:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/????????oG/????__mb__/ABBBBBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1????__OOOW/CA@DICsww{/___omFN^^N/BBBBAAAAAA�"
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$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}^F@?????/p_CL]}~{{w/^^~}o_hjnN/AAAAAAAA??�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1O__o__O???/w~~~~~ww{{/NNN~NNNNJH/??A@??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/~]MDC?????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1DDLLL\\\\\/???????BAC/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1\\\Td`@???/GO_?OgPpMw/???@@AACCC/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~^NfbPGSGg/^NEa_PGCA@/AA@@??????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1oM@???????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()
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$ goto exit
$ _Sabers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/????????}~/?????CGGOP/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1____ow{}}}/~|[pr~~~~~/`bEFNFV^NB/??@@AA????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}{{{ww/~~~~~~~~~~/pznfF~~fp@/?@@??@@???�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o___??????/~~~~~~uAIM/BFNNZRRFKG/????????AA�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/IG????????/C?__OOGGC?/@@????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/???????CCM/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????@@AA/???__wOowG/MZXPWWGKFB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1CCGGOO__OO/CCAA@@??@@/??????????/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/_?????????/PXZMMCC???/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Flyers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??AM]]}}}}/??Oooooopp/???@BBFFNN/??AAAAAAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}}}}}}/prrrrrrrrr/N^^^^^^^^^/AAAAAAAAAA�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}}}}}}/rrrrrrrrrz/^^^^^^~~~~/AAAAABBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}}}}}}/~~~~~^NFBB/~~^F@?????/B@???ABA??�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}}}}{{{ww/B@```@BBBF/M^^~~~^K??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1wo__??????/F^~~}{w_??/???~~~~~??/?ABBBBBB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???BFFNN^^/??C[{{{{{{/??????@@BB/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^~~~~~~~~~/{{{{{{{{{{/BFFFFFFFFF/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~~~~~~^F/{}~~~^F@??/FFFF@?????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1@??GM^^^~~/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~}}{{{{}}~/?@@@@@@@@?/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;15;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~^^NNFB???/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'()
*+,-./)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Canadiens:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????????_/???ow[MEB`/o}NB?_w}~~/BB???BBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_ooWWWKKKC/poww{{}}]]/^FB`pwWKKE/???BB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EEEEbbbbbb/^^NNNNNNNN/E}}BBB~bbb/?BB???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1bbbFEEECCF/NNNNNN^^]]/b~BBB}}EEM/?????BB???�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1FBbaEEKKWw/{}~~~~}}{w/K[WppbfNFb/?????@@BBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o_????????/_@BM[o_???/pw[MFB@???/BBA???????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1F~w_?BN~~~/??@FM[wo`b/????????@B/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{o_BFM[Wwo/FFNN^]}}{{/BFEMKK[WWW/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o~~___}aaa/{{wxxxxxxx/pppppppppp/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1a}___~~oow/xxxxxw{{{{/pppppppXWW/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1W[KEEbrpxw/}}]^NNFFbb/[KKMEEBB@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;14;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{xzrEKKWoo/pxW[KEBB@?/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;15;1;10;1;2;20;0{1_?????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'(
)*+,-./)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _NorthStars:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??O[^^^^^^/??????????/?????????o/?????????B�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1^^~~~~~~~{/?{~~~~~~~~/~~~~~N?BN~/BBBBB?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1o?????????/~~{o??????/~~~~~{o???/BBBBBBBB??�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??OoOOOWCB/????@yC??_/???wVGcqx{/????ABBBBB�"
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$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1???????o~~/??????{~~~/????o~~~~~/????BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~~~N??????/~~B???????/N?????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?BN~~~~~~{/????BN~~~~/???????BN~/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1~N????????/B?????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Rangers:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AEMYqaAAAA/?????~??^A/?????~?@@@/?????B@A??�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1EKGOGKEAAA/C^?^TP?NOK/@`PXdhPFDh/@??B??A@@A�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAAAAAAAA/ON??@A[A@M/hPP``@@@@@/A@?A?@@AA?�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAEKGOGKE/PPM?^DLQ?^/@@@@@@@@@@/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1AAAAaqYMEA/CIP?~?????/@@@?~?????/????B?????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1?????~?~~~/?????^_N~~/??????@ACD/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}|{yxosah/~~~~~~~~~~/HJJJJJJJJR/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1HaQScGgOO_/`qGCaZCDYS/RJJJIIHIIH/??????????�"
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$write sys$output "�1;13;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,
-)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ _Vancouver:
$write sys$output "�1;3;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????????/??????????/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;4;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??????_oww/??o{}~~~~~/o~~~~~~^^Z/@@@@@@BBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;5;1;10;1;2;20;0{1{{{}}}}}}}/~~~~~~~^^^/ZZZZZZZZZz/BBA@BBBBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;6;1;10;1;2;20;0{1}}{{[WWO?_/^^ZZZZZZZY/zZZZZZZZZZ/BBBBA@BBBB�"
$write sys$output "�1;7;1;10;1;2;20;0{1__????????/YScc_?????/ZZYScc_???/BBBB??????�"
$write sys$output "�1;8;1;10;1;2;20;0{1??K]~vbBBB/?????@BFMK/??????????/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;9;1;10;1;2;20;0{1BZzZjg^~~L/Woovotovvo/?????????A/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;10;1;10;1;2;20;0{1\|L{|L||L|/vuovvsrrsv/EEMMM]]]]]/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;11;1;10;1;2;20;0{1|\ll|{L|\l/vsrrvvoutr/]]MMMEEA??/??????????�"
$write sys$output "�1;12;1;10;1;2;20;0{1||LlQAAA??/vvqtvoooo?/??????????/??????????�"
$set prompt = "[1m)1#$%&'
()*+,)1[0m "
$ goto exit
$ exit:
$ exit
|
| 40.109 | Pre-Season Schedule '91 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus. | Fri May 10 1991 13:26 | 9 |
| Here's the Raider's pre-season schedule, all times MST:
San Francisco at Raiders Sat. July 27th, 2pm
Raiders -vs- Miami Sat. Aug. 3rd, 8pm, American Bowl '91 at Tokyo
Raiders at Dallas Mon. Aug. 12th, 6pm
Chicago at Raiders Sat. Aug. 17th, 2pm
Raiders at San Diego Fri. Aug. 23, 8pm
Carlos
|
| 40.110 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri May 10 1991 16:29 | 1 |
| Raiders vs San diego for last pre-season? Thats a strange...
|
| 40.111 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Fri May 10 1991 16:38 | 6 |
| > Raiders vs San diego for last pre-season? Thats a strange...
I don't know if it's a annual preseason thing between these teams,
but they did play each other in the preseason last year also.
Joe
|
| 40.112 | Hmmm? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus. | Sat May 11 1991 11:50 | 10 |
| >>I don't know if it's a annual preseason thing between these teams,
>>but they did play each other in the preseason last year also.
Hi Joe, it's gotta be an annual thing, because they also played
San Fran., Dallas, and Chicago last year too. The only difference
is last year they played the Saints at Wembley, and this year they're
playing the Dolphins in Tokyo.
Carlos (also-too huh? oh well!)
|
| 40.113 | the ones with the wandering eyes well.... | AGNT99::CHILDS | Wilt's heart was 2 sizes 2 small | Mon May 13 1991 09:10 | 8 |
|
No, it's a good ole boys thing. We schedule the teams that are close together
geographically so that we can cut down on traveling expenses and increase our
own booty. The coaches like it cause they get to work out at their own
facilities. The players cause it keeps them closer to their familes. Atleast
some players...;^)
mike
|
| 40.114 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Trust Jesus. | Tue May 14 1991 19:18 | 9 |
| >We schedule the teams that are close together geographically so
>that we can cut down on traveling expenses and increase our own
>booty.
As thin as Uncle-Al is, he could stand to have his booty increased,
coach Shell on the other hand would probably be better off with
some lippo-suction! :-)
Carlos
|
| 40.115 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu May 30 1991 13:05 | 24 |
| > -< Looks like LA will lose opener;^ >-
Tim, do you mean the pre-season opener against San Fran, the regular
season opener against Houston, or there first home game opener against
the Donks??
> Moranovich future QB? Didn't faider fans say that about Buerlin
> and Shroeder as well?
Marinovich definetly has the potential to be the Raiders future
QB, but I doubt it will be the immediate future. Keep in mind that
the Raiders also have the Canadian bench warmer Major Harris on
hold, though he may never amount to much ??? Steve Beurlein is an
excellent back-up, and I'd be interested to see how Mr. Ed's stats
compared to Schroeder's last year. Speaking of Mr. Ed, I don't think
he'll be around much longer, who do the donk's have waiting to take
the reins after Elway ???? Kubiak ??? HaaHa! That's a laugher....
> The good move for LA was to take the rights of the Rocket man.
Agreed, having the rocket in the pocket can't hurt. You gotta also
love the Nick Bell steal in the second round.
Carlos
|
| 40.116 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Thu May 30 1991 13:31 | 8 |
| > ...Steve Beurlein is an
> excellent back-up,
Moderator, this comment needs to be moved to the Sports.Joke topic.
Thanks. :^) :^)
Joe
|
| 40.117 | Your just now replying? | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Thu May 30 1991 15:55 | 12 |
| re-1
Rollin' on that Joe!!
Re-2 I don't love anything the faiders do...except lose of course.
Also Kubiak is a good backup. He would be better if he had more
playing time, which of course won't happen if Elway stays healthy.
Kubiak could be a starter on many teams that are in need of a QB,
someone like maybe the Faiders, colts, pats, bears, and Chargers.
Tim
|
| 40.118 | You're reachin' there Tim | GENRAL::WADE | IBeenDrivinAllNight...MyHandsWetOnTheWheel | Thu May 30 1991 16:40 | 8 |
|
T-bone
There's no way Kubiak would start for anybody else in the
league. His passes look like the ducks LuFay shoots at....
wounded and wobbly. :*)
Claybone
|
| 40.119 | faiders in 1991 = 8-8 season if their lcuky | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Thu May 30 1991 17:20 | 10 |
| Claybone, Thats why I stated Kubiak would be better if he played
more. Bench warming for 7 years doesn't bring the best out of a
person.
Gary has his days and then he gives the other team their day.
It don't matter since the faiders still need a QB!!!
Tim
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| 40.120 | Much to Simms' chagrin | SHALOT::HUNT | Bill, those are historical babes ... | Thu May 30 1991 17:33 | 5 |
| � Bench warming for 7 years doesn't bring the best out of a person.
It did wonders for Jeff Hostetler.
Bob Hunt
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| 40.121 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu May 30 1991 19:19 | 27 |
| > You're just now replying?
So call me slow.....it's just that I like to take my time and think
things through....:-)
Re. to Kubiak being a starter:
I'm gonna have to agree with Claybone, Tim, ....you're reaching,
Although you could probably make a good case for Kubiak starting
for the pats.
> The faiders still need a QB?
And they're working on it, but the Donks are also gonna need a QB
(especially after Mr. Ed turns in another sour year) but they don't
have anyone in particular in mind. Or do they ???
> faiders in 1991 = 8-8 season if they're lucky
First you're reaching then you're dreaming....you probably fantasize
that two of these losses are to the powerful Donks too huh?? :-)
Seriously tho, it could happen. I think that all of the AFC West teams
will be tough to beat this year.
Carlos
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| 40.122 | Bad wheel | HPSRAD::SANTOS | Hey Tracy, together or solo? | Fri May 31 1991 10:25 | 8 |
| >> Agreed, having the rocket in the pocket can't hurt. You gotta also
>> love the Nick Bell steal in the second round.
Nick Bell slipped to the 2nd round because he has a bad knee. I think
I remember reading he had surgery on his knee a few days after the
draft. I maybe wrong, but I pretty sure.
Chuck
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| 40.123 | | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | ULTRIX NETWORKS, CSC/CS | Fri May 31 1991 15:10 | 12 |
| Well I think the Raiders did alot to improve themselves. Marinovich is
a reach, but the Raiders seem to do well with reaches, so maybe this
one will pan out for them too. Bell? I dunno. It's odd to see him
rated sooo high and drop so far. Somethin' was up, maybe bad knees.
Chargers really strengthened the D up the middle. Broncos are pinning
alot on Croel, not sure he's up to the task. Seahawks I didn't follow.
And Chiefs I don't remember, but you get the feeling that the Raiders,
Chargers and Chiefs are on the way up, while the Broncos and Seahawks
are either holding steady or dropping.
Live from Charger Central.......Glenn
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| 40.124 | Thurman Thomas | DUCK::SERVICEDESK | | Tue Jun 11 1991 10:03 | 6 |
|
A certain Buffalo running back also dropped to the second round due to
supposedly bad knees. Have not had many complaints the last three years
though.
Nick R
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| 40.125 | SOS! | BOSOX::KHARRIS | | Fri Jun 14 1991 17:25 | 15 |
| Everything that I've read questioned Bells toughness as a runner. He
does have a knee problem but nothing that serious. I like the pick
because the raiders are getting old at running back.
Once again we will hear how Schroeder is a stiff and he doesn't belong
in the league. Once again the Raiders will win the division and
everyone will still be calling him a stiff. They could win the Super
Bowl and everyone would find a reason to call him a stiff. All year
people said the defense was carrying the offense, well I didn't see
Jay out there playing "D" when the Bills lit them up for 51 points.
I know he threw 5 ints., but when everyone in the world knows your
gonna pass what can you do. He's no super star, but neither is
Hostetler and the Giants won the Bowl with him.
Kenn
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| 40.126 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Jun 19 1991 12:50 | 1 |
| Winning the division? We will see, but don't bet your house on it!
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| 40.127 | Marinovich=Montana of the 90's | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Jun 27 1991 16:56 | 4 |
| One month from now the Raiders will play the gay-bay 9'ers in their
first pre-season game......football season's almost here :-)
Carlos
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| 40.128 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Want a Japanese stockbroker | Thu Jun 27 1991 18:51 | 7 |
| ================================================================================
Note 40.127 The Raiders-'90 AFC West Champs 127 of 127
ELMAGO::CGRIEGO 4 lines 27-JUN-1991 15:56
-< Marinovich=Montana of the 90's >-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What's that mean, both out of football by 1993?
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| 40.129 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 09 1991 17:09 | 6 |
| The Raiders began their training camp on Sunday the 7th. You can
bet they'll be practicing on ways to stop the no huddle type of
offense that the Bills killed'em with in the AFC Championship game
(more like blow-out).
Carlos
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| 40.130 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 09 1991 17:51 | 5 |
| Also forgot to mention that second string QB Steve Beuerlein signed
a two year contract, and rookie RB Nick Bell also signed.
Carlos
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| 40.131 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | With a knickknack paddywhack | Wed Jul 10 1991 11:40 | 2 |
| Carlos, how the hail are the ChaRaiders(tm) gonna use the no-huddle
when Schroeder can barely remember the plays after a regular huddle?
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| 40.132 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Jul 10 1991 11:51 | 7 |
| Junior (?), re-read it bro-ski, I didn't say that the Raiders are
gonna practice the no-huddle offense, but, that they're gonna practice
ways to stop it (defense). You can bet that after the way the Bills
whacked the Raiders using the no-huddle, that other teams might
try using it against the Raiders too. Que no ?
Carlos
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| 40.133 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | With a knickknack paddywhack | Wed Jul 10 1991 12:18 | 4 |
| AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I saw no huddle, I saw a raving Carlos, I saw Raiders getting thrashed.
I guess I shoulda read on.
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| 40.134 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Jul 11 1991 17:29 | 6 |
| Raiders first round draft pick, QB Todd Marinovich has missed three
days of practice, and there are still several veterans that remain
unsigned.......not to good. Coach Shell says that coaching is his
business and not contracts.
Carlos
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| 40.135 | RAIDERS #1 IN 91 | WMOIS::E_FASSETT | | Mon Jul 15 1991 09:05 | 6 |
| The paper this morning has Marcus Allen, Jeff Gossett, and Jeff Jaeger,
all agreeing to terms. the Raiders also cut Ron Burton(lb), Brian Sap
and Sean Moore(rb), Sean Smith (wr), and Rob Flory(ot). Also it says
that tight end Mike Dyal was put on the
physically-unable-to-perorm-list. Can anyone give us more information
on this.
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| 40.136 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Party on Garth! Party on Wayne! | Mon Jul 15 1991 10:03 | 4 |
| Marinovich signed over the weekend, don't know the contract terms.
py
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| 40.137 | Baby snake ??? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Jul 15 1991 18:15 | 14 |
|
>Marinovich signed over the weekend, don't know the contract terms.
The financial terms were not disclosed, but it is a three year deal.
Marinovich was the 24th player selected in the draft, and was the
7th first-rounder to sign a contract. He was on the field for
a walk-through with the teams veterans Sunday morning, then
participated in the afternoon practice. He ran the offense for a
limited number of plays as the 4th string QB. No report on how well
he did.
Carlos
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| 40.138 | I miss the old RON...funny guy | AGNT99::CHILDS | sign said, Stay Away Fool.. | Mon Jul 15 1991 20:33 | 17 |
| > Marinovich was the 24th player selected in the draft, and was the
> 7th first-rounder to sign a contract. He was on the field for
> a walk-through with the teams veterans Sunday morning, then
> participated in the afternoon practice. He ran the offense for a
> limited number of plays as the 4th string QB. No report on how well
> he did.
He's better than anyone else they have at that posistioN. If he gets his head
on straight he'll be a star. Too bad he's on the wrong team. Too bad he has to
throw to Gault....
sidebar question: Did my good buddy Mr. X aka Stevie_boy make it through the
recent cutbacks?
mike
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| 40.139 | | BOSOX::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Tue Jul 16 1991 07:54 | 7 |
| I heard that Marinovich has a part of his salary held back by the
Raiders, to be paid after 3 (?) years if he "behaves", whatever that
means.
Any details?
lEe
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| 40.141 | Steven is still here and receiving treatment for OURGNG::Withdrawl... | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Jeff Riggen Remote Selling Services | Tue Jul 16 1991 12:52 | 0 |
| 40.142 | | MAXWEL::CHILDS | sign said, Stay Away Fool.. | Tue Jul 16 1991 13:03 | 2 |
|
thanks Jeff give him our best Elway is Gay cheer...
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| 40.143 | Baby Snake | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 16 1991 15:33 | 39 |
| I've been meaning to enter some brief profiles about some of the
players that the Raiders drafted this spring, and now that I've
finally remembered to bring in the May issue of Raider News I'll
try to enter them in whenever possible. Since we've been discussing
Marinovich, and since he was the Raiders first round pick, I'll
start with him:
Round 1, (24th player taken)
Todd Marinovich, QB, 6'4", 220lbs, USC
Possesses all the tools you look for in a top-level blue chip prospect;
size, arm strength, maturity, field vision, and intelligence ...
Left handed passer very calm under pressure with a smooth, quick
release ... Father, Marv, was a three year letterman at USC and
both played for and coached with the Raiders ... Entered draft
following sophomore year ... Started 11 games last season, completing
60% of passes (196 of 322) for 2,423 yds and 13 touchdowns ... Added
a touchdown on a nine yard scoring reception ... Was named PAC 10
Player of the Week following a 338 yrd performance ... In 1989 he
became the first freshman to earn all-Pac-10 honors after ranking
3rd in conference, and 19th nationally with a 133.2 passing efficiency
rating ... Redshirted as a freshmen ... Has the third best season
in Trojan history ... Was drafted by the Calif. Angels in 1988 as a
pitcher, despite never having played baseball in high school ...
Then of course, there's the thing he is probably most recognized for,
the drug controversy. :-( The magazine goes on to show all of Todd's
high school accomplishments (which are also pretty impressive) but
I think you guys get the picture, if not I'll sum it up to say the
guy's a winner on the football field.
Carlos
P.S.
If anybody's interested in getting a subscription to the 'Raider
News' magazine, which comes out monthly during the off season
and bi-monthly during the season, let me know.
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| 40.144 | Good luck Todd | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Tue Jul 16 1991 16:35 | 7 |
| As I've said before, I wish Marinovich the best. He seems to have decent skills,
but I fear that being with the raiders, he will be too influenced by his father,
who, in my opinion ruined the kid's life. The pressure his dad put on him (as
portrayed by a couple of SI articles over the past few years) is what I suspect
led him to his drug 'problem'.
=Bob=
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| 40.145 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 16 1991 18:36 | 15 |
| Hi Bob, I've read other replies similar to yours about how Marinovich's
father has really been a negative influence in his life (or something
to that effect) . I haven't read any of the SI articles though,
and was wondering in what ways has his father ruined his life?
In a (sort of) related interview with coach Shell, the coach was asked
if he had any problems with Marinovich's character, and his off
field problems. He replied, "Players draw alot of publicity. As
always we research the background of every player we select in the
draft and we feel pretty good about Todd Marinovich. We know everything
there is to be known about him. We've researched it and talked about
it. We feel his future is ahead of him, we don't foresee any problems
at all."
Carlos
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| 40.146 | | BOSOX::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Wed Jul 17 1991 07:51 | 8 |
| Carlos, I read the articles but can't remember the details. I do
recall that his father put a tremendous amount of pressure on him to
succeed in football. Seems that no matter what he did, his Dad would
point out a weakness or failure in his performance.
Bob, you probably have more info. Please detail some of it for us.
lEe
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| 40.147 | Good luck Todd | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Wed Jul 17 1991 10:34 | 32 |
| It's been a while since I read this stuff, so bear with me if there are any
inaccuracies:
From what I remember about the articles, Todd was basically bred to be a
QUARTERBACK. Not a football player, but a quarterback. His dad decided
before he was born that he wanted his son to be a football star, and specifically
a QB. He focused him at an early age, and controlled every athetic breath the
kid took. Perhaps the most publicized thing was that Todd has (had?) NEVER
eaten at McDonalds, because Marv (dad) wouldn't have his son eat junk food.
Todd was perhaps the greatest high school QB ever, the comparisons were made
with Joe Namath (could never spell his name). Through all this, dad was always
Todd's worst critic. He would make the kid watch hours of films, etc., and
always offer his criticism. Somewhere in the mix, his parents got divorced, and
Todd got closer to his mother, whe nurtured his interest in art (his college
major), and seems to want Todd to be happy, no matter what he does.
I don't recall how he ended up at USC, but I know that dad kept tabs on him
while there. The first article in SI was written before he started there, and
the second was after last season.
Basically my point of view is that the kid has been dominated, and had enormous
pressure put on him. At 22 (or however old he is), it got to him, and he
couldn't get along with his teammates and coaches, and got involved in drugs
as the ultimate rebellion. I remeber reading that when he got arrested, his
mother bailed him out, and he was crying, saying that he had just blown his
entire future.
As I said before, I wish him the best, and hope he can be a happy and effective
football player.
=Bob=
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| 40.148 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Wed Jul 17 1991 10:55 | 5 |
| Marv Marinovich is the ultimate pushy parent. I wish Todd had been
drafted by someone other than a local team. Marv is very close with Al
Davis, however, and this could turn into a difficult situation.
John
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| 40.149 | | OZARDZ::WASKOM | | Wed Jul 17 1991 13:45 | 8 |
| I've always wondered, with such intense focus on a single goal, what
will happen when Todd reaches the inevitable end of his football
career. For Todd's sake, I hope it doesn't end by injury, 'cause I
have a feeling that Dad would be a royal pain in the rear if that's the
case. Like John, I wish the guy good luck -- I have a feeling he's
going to need it.
A&W
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| 40.152 | Predict more trouble for Marinovich | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Isthmus be my lucky day. | Wed Jul 17 1991 14:59 | 17 |
| >Is it
>wrong to get them to reach their potential, instead of letting them
>flounder and get lazy (which is what they do)?
In the case of Marv Marinovich, who pushed son Todd to the extreme, it
appears the answer is yes. Instead of guiding, he forced. He
attempted to control every single aspect of Todd's life, and, in
effect, chose Todd's career while he was still in the womb. The
general sense I got is that he robbed him of his childhood to further
his own dreams of siring a QB. Is that right?
What you get in this day and age is rebellion. Todd regressed in his
time at USC and became a devisive factor on the team. He made poor
choices which he may have overcome. He's 21 or 22 years old, and
somehow, I doubt that his days of rebellion against authority are over.
Dan
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| 40.153 | Hope Todd does well | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Wed Jul 17 1991 15:25 | 17 |
| Basically, my recallection of the articles I read pretty much follow
what Dan said.
It is one thing to push kids in the way of guidance (I'm certain that
is what you do Hawk ;^)) and what Todd's dad did.
As best I recall, the first article I read was not judgemental towards
Marv, and focused on Todd's future, and what he could become. I just
think that everyone who read it came to a similar conclusion, and it
became a fact.
I agree that nobody forced Todd to get into drugs, I just don't think
it was the "big bucks, arrogant athlete" getting into it for fun, or
whatever. Once again, I wish Todd luck (that was me A&W), and hope
that LA is not the wrong place for him.
=Bob=
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| 40.154 | His dad sounds like a drip. | CRBOSS::DERRY | NKOTB Rool! | Wed Jul 17 1991 15:36 | 5 |
| Isn't Todd the one who never had McDonald's food or a coke (cola)?
I remember reading something like that, in SI, a long while back...
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| 40.155 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Wed Jul 17 1991 15:37 | 8 |
| Yup, he's the one. Programmed from birth to be a QB, never had junk
food, mom was on a very special diet all through pregnancy, dad spared
no effort or expense to make him great.
I agree that some degree of parental push is important but I think dad
took it a bit too far.
John
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| 40.157 | | CAM::WAY | High Toned Son of a Bitch | Wed Jul 17 1991 17:02 | 1 |
| Can you say "Daddy Dearest"?
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| 40.158 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Wed Jul 17 1991 17:24 | 18 |
| Hawk
In your case, it was probably BECAUSE of McD's that she hit those dingers... ;^)
Many people can probably relate to Marv's actions, and there may have been cases
in the past when parents' influence has pushed an athlete to stardom. Somebody
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mickey Mantle's dad have similar tendancies?
Also, there is a big difference between pushing and making sacrifices for kids
who are talented. A friend of mine was a great bicycle racer when he was a kid,
and had his sites set on the Olympics (this was pre Greg Lamond, so cycling
wasn't that big a sport). Anyway, he had a crash on a training ride one day.
His bike was banged up, his riding clothes and shoes were ripped, but he wasn't
badly hurt. He got up the next morning, and found his clothes and shoes sewn,
and his bike repaired. His dad had stayed up all night working on it. To me
that is sacrifice.
=Bob=
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| 40.159 | You can see the strictness in his paly | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | Isthmus be my lucky day. | Wed Jul 17 1991 17:33 | 26 |
| >but didn't Mickey Mantle's dad have similar tendancies?
From what I've read of Mutt Mantle's relationship with his son, no, he
wasn't similar. And recall that Mickey grew up in Oklahoma in the '30s
and '40s which is a world of difference to kids growing up in the '70s
and '80s. Mutt Mantle (as described by Mickey) certainly "guided" his
son, and certainly helped develop him as a player (switch hitter, moral
lesson about quitting) and certainly sacrificed for his son (a miner
who died of black lung disease). But I've never heard a source claim
anything negative about what he did.
Marinovich is not the natural physical speciman that Mickey Mantle was
to baseball. He is/was referred to as RoboQB because so much of what
he did was so perfectly textbook. He probably owes his football career
to his father, because if he hadn't have developed him physically and
taught him and drilled him on the game, there's probably a lot better
"born quarterbacks".
Personally, I was pretty disappointed in Todd's development last year
and I thought it was a reflection on his abilities having finally found
their level. Perhaps it was more emotional immaturity that help him
back, and he will go on to have a good career. It will go a long way
to finding out if you can make an athlete or not, which I don't know if
it's necessarily a good thing.
Dan
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| 40.160 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Jul 17 1991 19:57 | 1 |
| It don't matter, the faiders still need a QB
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| 40.161 | | MAXWEL::CHILDS | sign said, Stay Away Fool.. | Wed Jul 17 1991 20:26 | 12 |
|
The biggest thing I remember about the Mick was that when his father pitched
to him he batted right handed and when his grandfather pitched to him he bat-
ted left handed or vice versa...
Dan, you're disappointment in Todd's development is natural after all he
set some pretty high standards for himself with his freshman year performance.
I tend to think his lack of development last year had more to do with his
off field activites. I think the Raiders made a steal. Heck the kid hasn't
even played a game yet and he's already the best QB in the paltry AFC West...
mike
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| 40.162 | Paltry !!! | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Jeff Riggen Remote Selling Services | Thu Jul 18 1991 11:08 | 15 |
| Dan, you're disappointment in Todd's development is natural after all he
set some pretty high standards for himself with his freshman year performance.
I tend to think his lack of development last year had more to do with his
off field activites. I think the Raiders made a steal. Heck the kid hasn't
even played a game yet and he's already the best QB in the paltry AFC West...
mike
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm dissapointed with you Mike. Seattle has a QB that consistently is rated at
the top of the heap very similar to a NY GIANTS QB that basically sucks wind
but can lead the league with QB ratings.
Jeff
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| 40.163 | thanks Jeff, you've probably cost me another night's sleep ;^) | MAXWEL::CHILDS | sign said, Stay Away Fool.. | Thu Jul 18 1991 14:36 | 0 |
| 40.164 | Will Todd's success breed other PUSHY fathers? | VIRTUE::ANDERSON | rookie at large | Thu Jul 18 1991 18:25 | 10 |
| Todd must have been brain washed enough to start to think and believe
that HE did indeed WANT to be a pro quarterback.
I am reminded of the young actor in Dead Poets Society, whose dad insisted
he would be a doctor, over the young man's constant resistance.....that
kid rebelled, as many teenagers have! (I will not spoil it for any who
have not seen this very good movie by telling you how).
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| 40.165 | | 26340::ROBICHAUD | TheGreatHilltopCowheadCaper | Fri Jul 19 1991 13:18 | 4 |
| My father never pushed me. He preferred straight rights to
the chin.
/Don
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| 40.166 | | 17135::CGRIEGO | | Mon Jul 22 1991 12:25 | 17 |
| Haven't had a chance to get in here 'til now, that's some pretty
good stuff about Todd's relationship to his father. I'm curious
to know if Todd ever had anything either bad or good to say about
his pop in these articles, cause I guess anybody can say anything
about somebody else's parents but only the child really knows if
their parents are good or bad.
Re. .165
Don, Don't know if you were joking or if you were serious but your
reply brings out a very good point with regards to all of this. There
are a lot worse kinds of parents out there than Todd's. If Marv's
biggest sins as a parent were that he didn't let his son eat junk food,
and he pushed him to success, well then he's better than lots of
others out there.
Carlos
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| 40.167 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Jul 22 1991 17:05 | 22 |
| Here's a brief profile on the Raiders #2 pick.
Round 2, (43rd player taken)
Nick Bell, RB, 6'2", 250lbs, Iowa
Bruising inside runner with tremendous quickness for a player his
size ... Possesses massive thighs and powerful legs and is known
to drive through his would-be tacklers ... Accelerates well through
the holes ... Displays flashy cutback back ability and is an effective
receiver coming out of the backfield ... Versatile athlete who can
play both halfback, and fullback ... Performed on schools track
team as a sprinter ... Named to numerous All-American teams and
earned All-Big Ten honors following senior season in which he led
team in rushing with 945 yards and 10 touchdowns on 155 carries
(6.1 yard average) ... Also caught 18 passes for 223 yards and a
pair of scores ... Averaged 106.2 all-purpose yards per game as
a senior ... Named Offensive Most Valuable Player as a junior ...
And like #1 Marinovich, Bell also has an impressive high school
list of accomplishments. He sounds kind of like a Bo Jackson that
can catch.
Carlos
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| 40.168 | Isn't Todd #3? | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Tue Jul 23 1991 15:48 | 15 |
| RE .166
Carlos
I don't recall many quotes directly from Todd about his father in either article.
Once again, it has been a while, so maybe I'm wrong. While I'm sure there are
worse parents out there, to me the two most damaging things a parent can do is
either to totally dominate their kid (like Slasher's dad 8^), and Marv), or not
care and ignore their kids. Either one of these things usually lead to problems
in the long run.
=Bob=
BTW - Where is Todd on the depth chart? Isn't he #3 right now? I didn't expect
him to play much this year.
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| 40.169 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 23 1991 17:08 | 27 |
| =Bob=, I think you're right about him being #3, I don't see Vince
Evans name on this years roster. He might even make it to #2 or
even #1 by the end of pre-season ('specially if his old man gets
on his case ........ uhemmm ... sorry couldn't resist :-).
Next in line on the Raider draftee profiles is Raghib Ismail who
was selected in the fourth round. But, I think that because he probably
won't be playing in the NFL for some time (if ever), plus the fact
that everybody already knows everything about him, I'll just skip him,
and move on to the Raiders sixth round pick:
Round 6 (146th player taken)
Nolan Harrison, DT, 6-5, 290 Indiana
Possesses all the physical tools, with fine size, speed, strength and
long arms ... Very athletic and has shown ability to neutralize
blocker at point of attack and utilize the power rush ... Sat out
senior season for disciplinary reasons ... Starter at defensive
tackle in 1989, earning All-Big Ten Honorable Mention honors ...
Recorded numerous tackles, sacks, and blocked passes during his
college career ... Redshirted as a freshman ... Was a high school
letterman in football, track, and wrestling.
Carlos
(By the way, who's slasher?)
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| 40.170 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Jul 24 1991 13:59 | 7 |
| OT, Bruce Wilkerson agreed to terms today leaving the Raiders with
only three unsigned veterans left: Pro-Bowl C, Don Mosebar, and
defensive linemen Scott Davis, and Bob Golic. They really need to
get these knuckle-heads signed, especially Mosebar, and Davis.
Carlos
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| 40.171 | Are you ready for some football.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Jul 24 1991 15:01 | 25 |
| Next in draftee profiles......
Round 8 (213th player taken)
Brian Jones LB, 6-1, 240 Texas
Great run defender who gets into the backfield in a flash to make
the big play ... Has great upper body strength with tremendous agility
for a player his size, using foot speed to slide away from blocks
... Joined Longhorns prior to his junior year after transferring
from UCLA ... All Southwest Conference selection while starting
all year at middle linebacker as senior and leading team in tackles
with 116 hits along with 3 sacks and 5 stops for losses ... Credited
with 8 QB pressures and a pair of pass deflections while causing
5 fumbles and recovering another one ... Also led team in tackles
as a junior with 108 ... Redshirted as a freshman at UCLA, and missed
his sophomore year due to a back injury ... Lettered in football,
track, baseball, and basketball in high school
Also forgot to mention that the Raiders traded future draft picks to
Tampa Bay for LB, Winston Moss. Don't know too much about him though.
Carlos
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| 40.172 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Jul 24 1991 16:23 | 1 |
| Still need a q?
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| 40.173 | Moss & Lott solid additions!!! | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:03 | 11 |
| Winston Moss is the man responsible for keeping such high draftees as
Keith McCants and Broderick Thomas on the bench their rookie season!
He will replace Jerry Robinson as the cover man on passing situations.
He should be a fulltime player.
The raiders really need to get moesbar and Golic into camp. I'm a big
Scott Davis fan, but the Raiders still have last years #1 pick, anthony
Smith, waiting in the wings. Davis finally came into his own last year
and he really needs this year to develope into a premiere DL.
Kenn
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| 40.174 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Jul 24 1991 17:14 | 4 |
| > Still need a q?
Tim, not as bad as you guys need a 'd' ! :-)
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| 40.175 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Increase The Peace ! | Thu Jul 25 1991 12:52 | 9 |
| I saw Lyle Alzado on CNN two nights ago. Geez....he looks like hell.
What was really striking is that CNN in my town is Channel 63. On 62 is
a comedy channel. Guess who was a guest host ?
Yep - Alzado. This must have been taped a year ago when he was trying
to make the Raiders. I flipped back and forth .... real sad to see.
Doc
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| 40.176 | | CAM::WAY | High Toned Son of a Bitch | Thu Jul 25 1991 13:28 | 7 |
| Yeah,
He and his wife were on Larry King Live. Tough to see him so fragile
looking...
'Saw
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| 40.177 | Real Wierd...Did the same clicking | MRVAX::MBROOKS | | Thu Jul 25 1991 14:40 | 5 |
| Wierd...I saw alzado with the bandana on his head all skinny and sikly
and decided to switch to the comedians at 11:00 on cha 3 and there he
was hosting the show...I took a double take....Now a triple take.
Still feel for the guy....(Great comedians that night).
M_Air_B
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| 40.178 | :-( | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Jul 26 1991 11:56 | 12 |
| Re -1
Read in yesterdays paper that the multiple tumors in Alzado's brain
have shrunk considerably after his second chemo treatment, but the
doctor warned that the success rate for treating this type of cancer
was very low. It's hard to see such a powerful man being eaten up
by an enemy he can't even see or fight back (physically) against,
I just hope that the Lord would comfort him and his family and friends
throughout this whole trajic ordeal.
Carlos
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| 40.179 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Jul 26 1991 17:41 | 19 |
| Next on the draftee profiles is the Raiders eighth round pick...
(219th player taken)
Todd Woulard, LB, 6-1 230 Alabama A&M
Agile and active linebacker who knows how to utilize quickness and
strength to get to ball carrier ... Has shown brilliance as pass
rusher ... Very athletic with excellent speed and lateral movement
... Earned Little All-American honors as senior after recording
team-high 23 1/2 sacks ... Also recorded 59 total tackles and recovered
one fumble in 1990 to earn Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Defensive Player of the Year honors ... As a junior had a hand in
62 stops to place third on team and registered team-high 10 1/2
sacks, which placed him second in SIAC ... Also lettered in track
and field as a javelin thrower ... Also lettered in basketball,
baseball, and football in high school .
Carlos
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| 40.180 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Jul 29 1991 13:01 | 4 |
| Is Marinovich hurt or just not ready to play yet? I didn't see any of
his stats in the box.
Joe
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| 40.181 | Did Montana even play? | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Jul 29 1991 14:04 | 2 |
| So did the ex-49'rs "tear" up there old team? Maybe Lott putting the
hurt on Rice? Just curious.......
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| 40.182 | from USA TOday.. | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Pee Wee's wee-wee adventure | Mon Jul 29 1991 15:05 | 4 |
| Lott made one jarring tackle. Craig rushed for 34 yards on 6 carries -
but he also coughed the ball up once, leading to a Raiders' score.
JD
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| 40.183 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Jul 29 1991 16:04 | 19 |
| >Craig rushed for 34 yards on 6 carries - but he also coughed the
>ball up once, leading to a Raiders' score.
^
|
|
Should read ----------------Niners' score. The final outcome was
24-17 49'ers. I believe that Craig's 34 yards was the game high
in rushing yardage for either team. Rookie Nick Bell rushed for
14 yards on 4 carries (no biggie) and also, rookie TE Andrew Glover
caught one pass for 8 yards. I haven't put Glover's profile in here
yet, but I think that this guy's gonna turn out to be a starter
within the next couple of years. The overall stats were pretty even
except for the Raiders QB's got sacked ~5 times.....gotta sign
Mosebar...and speaking of signing, Bob Golic signed this weekend
just leaving Mosebar, and Scott Davis (I think?).
Carlos P.S. Funny personal_name JD. I guess with a name like
Pee-Wee it's kinda hard to get a date.
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| 40.184 | Not bad for a stiff... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Jul 29 1991 16:58 | 8 |
| Oh yeah, forgot to mention, for all you Schroeder bashers out there
that I was reading through one of the pre-season football annual
type magazines (can't remember which one?) and it said that Schroeder
was second only to Montana in most games won to lost ratio-when
starting amongst all presently active QB's. Can't remember the exact
stats either though.....
Carlos
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| 40.185 | Did Evans retire yet? | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Jul 29 1991 19:23 | 14 |
| re-1
That could be true, but remember that the faider defense won them
alot of those games. The QB win/loss stats can be deceptive. I know
you don't like Elway, but look at how many games he and the offense
scores 20+ points, and lose. In other words, Denvers "D" was lackin',
when the offense was scoring. Of course it goes both ways.
Still bottom line, is most people feel that LA needs a "potent" QB.
I know that if they did, they would be more consistent in the W
column. Beleive me, I don't mind the inconsistency ;^^^
Tim
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| 40.186 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Jul 30 1991 15:59 | 21 |
| > -< Did Evans retire yet? >-
No why? Is Denver looking for a more youthful QB? :-) Seriously
though, he isn't listed on the rosters that I've got but he played
last weekend. He's a good athelete and exciting to watch but he's
not that good of a QB (IMHO), plus he's getting older. I don't think
that, should the need arise, he could lead the team to the big dance
and win it. I think perhaps 2nd string QB, Beuerlein, could do this,
and I also think that Schroeder will do this. (hopefully this year)
As for rookie Marinovich, I'll go along with what somebody else
said about him, 'He can be as good as he wants, or he can throw
it all away.' . As for what you said about 'if L.A. had a more potent
QB they would win more games' (very loose paraphrase by me) , I
think that this could just as truthfully be said about Montana or
any other QB in the league. While I agree that a better QB would
mean more 'consitent' wins, I 'll say that Schroeder did alot to
improve last year and (again MHO) can no longer be labeled
inconsistent. Besides, since when is 12-4 inconsistent? I'll agree
too though that the defense had alot to do with 12-4.
Carlos
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| 40.187 | | DECXPS::KHARRIS | | Tue Jul 30 1991 17:23 | 9 |
| An article in the USA Today last week listed Marinovich as fourth
string behind: Schroeder, Buerlien, and Evans. Unless they trade
Buerlien, Ican't see Evans making the team. I agree with Carlos that is
is just not that good of a QB. I would really like to see Moesbar sign
before the next game.
Lets hope that this year everyone doesn't get all worked up over the
preseason like they did last year. It seemed like all the discussions
in the notes file were about the importance of preseason games.
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| 40.188 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | ROCKY DOESN'T GET IT!!! | Thu Aug 01 1991 11:58 | 1 |
| Carlos, Schroeder got most of them wins as a 'skin
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| 40.189 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Aug 01 1991 13:34 | 23 |
| Re. -1 I'd be interested to know how his stats compare between
starting for the 'Skins and starting for the Raiders.
Maybe John Hendry or somebody else can help out? I'd bet
that the majority of his starts for the Raiders have been
wins.
Here's a brief profile on the Raiders 9th round draft pick:
(247th player taken)
Tahaun Lewis, CB, 5-10, 175, Nebraska
Exceptionally quick pass defender with fine leaping ability ...
Has a decisive burst of speed in the open and displays sure hands
for the interception ... Effective bump-and-run artist who rarely
gives a receiver a big cushion ... Started nine games at right CB,
recording 24 tackles with two interceptions, a pair of passes defensed,
a fumble recovery for the Cornhuskers in 1990 ... All-Big Ten Honarable
Mention as a junior after becoming starter at right CB ... Tied
team record with eight passes deflected ... As a sophomore served
as a nickel back in ten games ... lettered in track as a sprinter
... Also lettered in football, baseball, and track in high school.
Carlos
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| 40.190 | NU's not in the Big 10 yet (Hopefully never will be) | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Aug 01 1991 15:43 | 5 |
| > Tahaun Lewis, CB, 5-10, 175, Nebraska
> ... All-Big Ten Honarable
> Mention
I think you meant All-Big 8, Carlos.
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| 40.191 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Aug 01 1991 17:53 | 28 |
| Re -1 Oooops sorry, I guess you can tell that I'm not to much for
college ball. I copied the article from a Raider News magazine
and they had it as -Big 10. Oh well, here's another profile
from a guy that I think is gonna turn out to be a star, he
played last weekend against S.F. and made one reception, hoping
to see him play against the Dolphins this weekend....
Round 10
(274th player chosen)
Andrew Glover, TE, 6-6, 225, Grambling
Tall, rangy target with soft hands, excellent jumping ability and
speed for his size ... Versatile athlete who excelled in three sports
at Grambling ... Not only played football but was a three-year starter
at center in basketball and Southwestern Athletic Conference triple
jump champion in track in both 1989 and 1990 ... Played in ten games
as a senior, catching 10 passes for 246 yards and five touchdowns
while splitting time between wide receiver and tight end ... Began
to draw major attention in football as junior when, in NCAA playoff
game against Stephen F. Austin, caught six passes for 211 yards
and three touchdowns ... Averaged 22.2 yards per catch as junior
on 17 receptions for 378 yards and eight touchdowns with career
long of 73 yards ... Also lettered in football as sophomore, seeing
action as reserve WR, and TE ... Earned all SWC in basketball as
senior ... Also lettered in football, basketball, and track in high
school.
Carlos
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| 40.192 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Aug 02 1991 15:54 | 8 |
| i thought you already mentioned a previous draft pick TE that would
be a starter/star. Of course you will let me know if I'm wrong.
What about Mike Dial? I thought you "praised" him last year. He
seemed to have good hands and was a "crowd" favorite.
Just thought I would ask....
Tim
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| 40.193 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Aug 02 1991 17:12 | 15 |
| >What about Mike Dial?
Mike Dyal was in the process of becoming one of the Leagues premier
tight-ends (just ask any of the many FFL'ers who picked him), unfortunately
he got injured and has not been much of a factor lately. I was
expecting to see him challenge Horton for his starting job back
again, but the Raiders recently put him on the physically unable
to perform list (I think???) so it'll be a while if ever before
we see him back again. In the mean time the Raiders got a good pickup
(IMHO) in the 10th round in Glover. I'm looking forward to seeing
him, Nick Bell, and maybe even Marinovich play this weekend in Tokyo.
Wonder how Howie would do against some of them Sumo (?) wrestlers?
Or even better, how some of them Sumo's would do on the line?
Carlos
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| 40.194 | Miami 19 Raiders 17 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Aug 05 1991 11:32 | 8 |
| Still no Marinovich ?? Wonder why..... Andrew Glover caught three
passes for 10 yds and one TD, Nick Bell caught a dump off screen
and turned it into 20 yds, he also rushed twice for 7 yds. Lott
is definitely gonna make an impact this year, he was in on just
about every defensive play that I saw (only watched the first half
tho...).
Carlos
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| 40.195 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Aug 05 1991 15:33 | 12 |
| Can't believe there was that much scoring late in the game. I change
over to SNL in the 3rd quarter with LA leading 7-6, then I turn back
later just to catch the Faiders miss that long field goal at the end
with the score 19-17.
I was impressed with old man Evans. They should make him the starter
:^). I'll admit, Schroeder looked pretty good when he had the protection.
Sure seems odd that Todd "Coke" Marinovich hasn't seen any action.
Joe
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| 40.196 | Still pre-season bore.... | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Aug 05 1991 16:44 | 12 |
| Evans did look suprisingly good. Buerlin was usually acurate.
This had to have been the slopiest game I have seen in years. What
was the total penalties for both teams, and also by team? I would
guess around 40 total flags thrown. Maybe not all were counted after
refusal, but the game did seem to go on and on and on........
The person that showed good potential was #58. A linebacker. He
seemed to be all over the field and was pressuring the QB. Whats this
guys name Carlos?
Tim
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| 40.197 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Aug 05 1991 16:47 | 8 |
| Speaking of Schroeder, he came in third behind Marino, and DeBerg
(I think??), this weekend in the NFL QB Challenge in Hawaii.
Also forgot to mention that in last weekends Fastest Man Competition,
Ron Brown came in second in a photo finish to Daryl Green. Another
Raider, Sam Graddy WR, was also a semi-finalist in this competition.
Carlos
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| 40.198 | ? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Aug 05 1991 17:59 | 9 |
| >#58.....What's this guys name Carlos?
Good question.....I didn't get to see most of the game so I really
don't know who you're talking about. If he's a new guy tho' he's
prabably gonna be Winston Moss, Todd Woulard, or Brian Jones. Do
any of these guys ring a bell, if not I'll try to find out fer sure
by tomorrow.
Carlos
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| 40.199 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Aug 06 1991 11:30 | 8 |
| >The person that showed good potential was #58. A linebacker. He
>seemed to be all over the field and was pressuring the QB. What's
>this guys name?
#58 is A.J. Jimmerson. He was the Raiders eigth round draft choice
last year. Glad to hear he's doing so well.
Carlos
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| 40.200 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Aug 06 1991 14:19 | 6 |
| #58 just seemed real aggressive. Kinda like a Thomas or Taylor type.
Of course its pre-season. I have noticed that some players for all teams
will be this way just to make the team, but then when its time to
perform during the season, they just seem to fade away...
Tim
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| 40.201 | ?? | NEST::PAPIA | | Tue Aug 06 1991 16:55 | 9 |
|
Anybody know what kind of injury Nick Bell got? they
carried him off but I didn't hear anything about if it's
serious or what.
The Raiders look real deep at all positions.
Vinny
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| 40.202 | | CELTIK::JACOB | Beer,The Airplane Drink,Drink 1,P-38 | Tue Aug 06 1991 16:59 | 8 |
|
>> The Raiders look real deep at all positions.
Is this in reference to football or "Kama Sutra"????? (8^0* (8^)*
JaKe
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| 40.203 | Answer | NEST::PAPIA | | Wed Aug 07 1991 10:36 | 6 |
|
USA Today reports that Nick Bell has a badly pulled
hamstring, out for probably a month.
Vinny
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| 40.204 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Wed Aug 07 1991 11:18 | 10 |
| Ahhhh! that sucks...I was looking forward to him running over some
people and now I gotta wait about a month. :-( Oh well, we still
got Allen, Craig, G.Bell, Bo (?), Nappy, Smith, and Mueller. :-)
The Raiders play the new and improved Cowgirls this coming Monday.
I know it's only pre-season, but it still should be a good game
to watch, especially after not seeing any football for the last
few months.
Carlos
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| 40.205 | It won't matter.. | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Aug 07 1991 18:10 | 9 |
| I was suprised at how big N. Bell is. 255lbs and stands tall to.
But he didn't seem to have speed, at least on the few plays that i saw
him carry.
Carlos, not all those rbs will make the team. Mueller and Mccallum
are probably gone. Greg Bell might be gone to. He just hasn't looked
like the Greg bell of Rams days.
Tj
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| 40.206 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Aug 08 1991 12:25 | 23 |
| >Mueller and McCallum are probably gone.
It would probably be better for them if they were gone anyhow, because
they're good athletes, but with guys like Allen, Craig, Bo, and
the old and new Bells, I don't think they'd ever get a chance to
play except maybe on special teams and stuff like that.
OK, last but not least on the Raider draft profiles is:
Round 12
(330th player taken)
Dennis Johnson, WR/CB, 6-1 200lbs., Winston-Salem
Big, strong athlete with excellent speed, quickness and ability
to go to the ball, whether it's on offense or defense ... Versatile
athlete who played WR, RB, CB, and free and strong safety at
Winston-Salem while earning three letters ... Had a hand in 18 tackles
and recorded 3 passes defensed as a senior ... Also had one tackle
behind the line of scrimmage ... Lettered in track at Winston-Salem,
competing in 100 and 200-meters and a member of 400-meter relay
team ... Lettered in football and basketball in high school.
Carlos
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| 40.207 | Talk about rose colored glasses | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is a toddler now! | Thu Aug 08 1991 15:20 | 8 |
| I love those profiles. According them every draft pick is a great athlete,
great ability, etc. Just once I'd like to read one that says "...No shot at
making the team, chosen only to fill out draft round..." 8^)
Nothing personal Carlos,or the Raiders, all the profiles for all the teams are
the same.
=Bob=
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| 40.208 | | CAM::WAY | Call her up on the spank line | Thu Aug 08 1991 15:38 | 11 |
| >I love those profiles. According them every draft pick is a great athlete,
Hell, my profile said that I've got 4.9 speed, I can pass block like a maniac,
and I can run block like theres no tomorrow....
In reality, Rich Gedman would give me some stiff competition in a foot race,
and I can't block to save my life...
8^)
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| 40.210 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Aug 08 1991 16:27 | 8 |
| =Bob=, pretty funny huh? I noticed that too, they all sound like
they're ready for the Pro-Bowl.
In yesterdays paper there was a picture of Bo, and it said that
he's been practicing with real pitchers and stuff, good news, hopefully
we'll see Bo back by next season, maybe even this one????
Carlos
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| 40.211 | | CAM::WAY | Call her up on the spank line | Thu Aug 08 1991 16:36 | 11 |
| > In yesterdays paper there was a picture of Bo, and it said that
> he's been practicing with real pitchers and stuff, good news, hopefully
I practice with real pitchers all the time.
No good using those virtual pitchers cause the beer keeps falling out.....
hth,
'saw
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| 40.212 | | DECWET::METZGER | Pennant race in Seattle ? | Thu Aug 08 1991 21:27 | 11 |
|
I wonder if Bo is dumb enough to ever go back to playing football? He's a great
athlete and I'm glad to see him back on the road to recovery but he's got to
realize now that he's got a higher chance of getting a double career ending
injury playing football.
Personally I think his football career is through....
Metz
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| 40.213 | Will Cowgirls beat the FAiders tonight? | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Aug 12 1991 16:21 | 6 |
| I agree with Metz. Why jeapordize both careers and possibly your
health, or hip in this case? He could end up with permanant damage.
He is rich, so money shouldn't be an issue. Don't let your "big ego"
get in the way Bo.
Tim
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| 40.214 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Aug 13 1991 12:14 | 14 |
| > -< Will Cowgirls beat the Faiders tonight? >-
Nope! The Raiders win their first pre-season game over the
Cowboys, 17-12. The Cowboys are looking pretty good, 'specially
that Emmitt guy. The Raiders looked like they did last year, except
a little rustier. Schroeder did pretty good, I think he's gonna
have another good year. Marinovich scored his first NFL touchdown,
and did a whole lot of handing off. The defense just needs a little
bit of fine tuning, and it wouldn't hurt any if Davis got his butt
back into camp. They've got two more pre-season games to get the
bugs out, but I think they'll be ready in time for Houston.
Carlos
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| 40.215 | Ellison S@#KS!!! | CSLALL::KHARRIS | | Tue Aug 13 1991 13:54 | 14 |
| Schroeder played well when given the time to throw the ball. The
offensive line did not look good. Rory Graves, after making so much
progress last year, played like sh@t! As a team, their run blocking was
terrible! Come on Al lets sign Moesbar!!!! Anthony Smith, last years #1
played well. Aarron Wallace was invisable. Nolan Harrison played well
in limited action. Why is Ricky Ellison still allowed to guard
somebody. Winston Moss or Ronnie Lott should have been assigned to
Novacek and maybe he wouldn't have caught so many passes!
Dallas looke real good on the defensive line. I've read so much about
Alexander Wright running a 4.1 40 but they didn't attempt to get him
the ball. Jack Del Rio played like a man possed at middle LB. Send him
to the Raiders so we can stop watching Riki Ellison have runners cut
back on him all game.
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| 40.216 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Aug 13 1991 13:59 | 10 |
| We will see how good the man-man coverage is for the Faiders.
Houston uses that run n shoot, which means 4 wide outs. If the man to
man fails, then moon & co will eat the defenses lunch. I'm not sure
of the soilers defense. I remember them being inconsistant last year,
so who knows how they will handle schreoder & co.
I missed last nights game, so I can back up/dispute what Carlos
said. To bad.....
Tim
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| 40.217 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Aug 13 1991 14:18 | 28 |
| >The offensive line did not look good.....Come on Al lets sign
>Mosebar!!!
I agree Kenn, the biggest problem for the Raiders so far is the
offensive line, but like you mentioned Mosebar wasn't there, and
neither was Wisnieski (sp?), these guys were pro-bowlers last year
and they're gonna have to start playing if the Raiders are gonna
improve the situation on the o-line.
>Aaron Wallace was invisible.
I noticed that too, was he playing????
Ronnie Lott is an excellent addition to the Raiders, he's already
putting on the hits and it's only pre-season.
>Nolan Harrison played well in limited action.
I seen him smother E. Smith close to the line of scrimmage after
Emmitt tryed to cut and slipped a little. Nolan should get better
with more experience.
> -< Ellison S@#KS!!! >-
In pass coverage anyhow, but he's good against the run. IMHO
Carlos
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| 40.218 | Mosebar Signs!!!!!! | CSLALL::KHARRIS | | Wed Aug 14 1991 08:13 | 6 |
| The Raiders finally signed Mosebar yesterday, which should solidify
their OL situation. The Raiders also traded Vencie Glenn (signed during
the plan B period) to Phoenix for a player to be named later.
Kenn
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| 40.219 | Who's running with the Raiders? | ROULET::LAFOUNTAINE | | Wed Aug 14 1991 08:40 | 3 |
| Has anyone heard whether the Raiders are going to go with Marcus
or one of the other backs this Year?
Kevin
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| 40.220 | O L will be OK! | NEST::PAPIA | | Wed Aug 14 1991 10:55 | 8 |
|
OT Bruce Wilkerson was playing with the second team because
he just signed, that means 3 of the Raiders best linemen did
not start (2 were not even there). They still didn't look that
bad against a very good defense line.
Vinny
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| 40.221 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Wed Aug 14 1991 11:44 | 15 |
| > -< Who's running with the Raiders? >-
Kevin, Marcus Allen will probably be considered the #1 guy but I'm
sure that he will be sharing alot of the running duties with Craig.
The Raiders 2nd round draft pick, Nick Bell, was looking real good
too, until he pulled a ham string but I think that once he recovers
we'll be seeing him get the ball quite a bit, along with possibly
Greg Bell. So in answer to your question, there really isn't one
go-to guy, but I think the majority of it will be done by both Allen
and Craig. HoH.
Carlos
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| 40.222 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his Lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Aug 16 1991 13:21 | 13 |
| From todays Glob:
A bank robber in Sacramento, Ca., who netted about $25,000 during a
10-week spree, said he pulled the 2 dozen heists in part to finance
trips to Los Angeles Raiders football games.
"The only time I could relax and enjoy myself was when I went to the
games," Claude Jones, 32, wrote in a letter to Judge David F. Levi
prior to sentencing. "The Raiders were winning, and I began to believe
that I was helping them by attending the games. I believed that if I
didn't go, they would lose."
Jones was sentenced to nearly 10 years in federal prison and fined
$5,593.
Denny
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| 40.223 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Aug 16 1991 16:52 | 6 |
| Re. -1 Talk about fan-atics, sheesh!
The Raiders play the Bears tommorrow. Wonder if it'll be televised?
Carlos
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| 40.224 | Raiders Cuts | CSLALL::KHARRIS | | Wed Aug 21 1991 07:42 | 12 |
| The Raiders trimmed down to 60 players yesterday by cutting the
following players: DB Marcus Wilson, DE Emanuel King, DE Malcom
Showell, DT Tim Rother, LB Bruce Klostermann, LB Tim Cofield, OG
Jeff Grimes, RB Charles Young, RB Doug Lloyd, WR Darrel Hopper, WR
Keith Wright, and WR Stefon Adams.Placed RB Greg Bell OL Todd Peat on
thewaivered-injured list. DT Mike Wise was placed on the reserve-left
camp list. They traded TE Bob Tyler to the Colts for an undisclosed
draft pick. With Wise leaving and Davis out of camp, it looks like
Nolan Harrison has a good chance of making the team.
Kenn
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| 40.225 | Davis Signs! | CSLALL::KHARRIS | | Thu Aug 22 1991 08:30 | 4 |
| The Raiders signed DE Scott Davis Yesterday. There is a good article on
Tim Browns return from knee surgery in the USA Today.
Kenn
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| 40.226 | Just Win Baby, Just Win | ROYALT::FORGET | LA Raiders #1 | Mon Aug 26 1991 10:06 | 6 |
|
Raiders beat the Bears on Friday and i heard last Night that the
Raiders trade QB Steve Buerlin (sp) to the Cowboys.
Mike
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| 40.227 | Hope they got a #1 pick for Beuerlein. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Aug 26 1991 12:16 | 9 |
| The Raiders did indeed beat the Bears two Fridays ago, and they
won the Chargers this Saturday 17-7. They traded Beuerlein to the
Cowboys for an undisclosed draft pick in 1992, and they also traded
Newt Harrell, guard, to the Browns for another undisclosed draft
choice. Beuerlein should replace Stoudt as the 'boys #2 QB, they're
doing a heck of a rebuilding job down in Dallas and the 'boys are
gonna be tough to beat pretty soon...
Carlos
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| 40.228 | Raider Cuts | CSLALL::KHARRIS | | Tue Aug 27 1991 11:48 | 10 |
| To trim thier roster to 47 , the Raiders cut the following players:
QB Vince Evans, LB's Jerry Robinson & Brian Jones, KR Ron Brown,
DB's Dennis Johnson & Derrick Cudrup, DL Mike Charles, OL's Josh
Taotoai & Rich Stephens, TE Greg Harrell, and WR Mike Alexander.
I'm sure Evans will be picked up as soon as they put someone on IR.
Kenn
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| 40.229 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Wed Aug 28 1991 12:52 | 10 |
| >I'm sure Evans will be picked up as soon as they put someone on
>IR.
The Raiders placed RB's Vance Mueller and Nick Bell, and DL Roy
Hart on IR and picked up Evans, Robinson, and Cudrup.
The Raiders start the season off this weekend against Houston's
high powered run-and-shoot offense.
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| 40.230 | Carlos must be out sick today :^) | BSS::JCOTANCH | Houston 47, Faiders 17! | Tue Sep 03 1991 12:51 | 1 |
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| 40.231 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Sep 03 1991 18:55 | 8 |
| re-1
It is quite today;^ Will the faiders be flat again on sunday? I
hhope so, but I'm sure Uncle al and Artie have told them a thing or 2
by now, and since it is a rival team they are playing, well it should
be interesting.
Tim
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| 40.232 | Uncle Al; He's reall Not A Nice Guy ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bronco's #1 in Boomer's Book | Wed Sep 04 1991 16:11 | 8 |
|
I think there just getting ready for the big GAG come next Sunday !
The Donks are gonna show those happless faiders what footballs all
about. It sure was nice to see the real Jay Schrader (SP?) back.
I can't beleive that guy's still starting.
Big Game
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| 40.233 | Let's see how many Donk fans show up in here Monday! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Sep 06 1991 12:26 | 12 |
| Re to the last couple, c'mon you guys, you're acting like the Donks
have never been blown away. As far as the Oilers game goes.....
...sheesh....two blowouts in a row, I don't know if my heart can
handle much more of this stuff. Marcus is out for about six weeks
and Craig will be filling in for him this weekend against the Donks.
Marcus blames his knee injury on the Astro-turf, and I agree with
him, that junk should be made illegal! I'm looking forward to Sundays
game and I don't think (???) it'll be another repeat performance.
If the real Schroeder and the real Elway show up, it should be the
Raiders game easily :-)
Carlos
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| 40.234 | Welcome Cacti and Carlos..it was getting to quite | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Sep 06 1991 17:26 | 17 |
| How come it took you soooooo long to say anything about LAST weeks
game Carlos?
I will be here Monday regarless of the outcome. It won't take me 5
days to say something.
I think it will be the typical donk faider game.
Weakness'
Faiders = QB & LB's
Broncos = Left side OL and Wymon Henderson and maybe
Treadwell. He slumped last year, last week wasn't
immpressive.
Tim
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| 40.235 | .500 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Sep 09 1991 12:31 | 9 |
| >I think it will be the typical donk faider game.
It was. As per usual, a field goal was the difference although I
think the game was not as close as the score indicates. The Raiders
offense didn't show up in the first half, good thing the defense
did, they held the Donks to 6 points. The second half was all Raiders,
just like old times huh Tim.
Carlos
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| 40.236 | Classic!!! | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Sep 09 1991 14:59 | 5 |
| Yes Carlos, and as I said in the donk file, nov.10th won't be any
different....I like these kind of games, with the exception of who won
this one.....
Tj
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| 40.237 | The QB is a weak link | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Riggamotis RULEZ | Tue Sep 10 1991 13:49 | 10 |
| The Raiders are not supporting Jay Schroeder at all. Art Shell is playing
protective father and praying that he doesn't blow it. The team is full of guys
that can run fly patterns. They need Mike Dial back, it was very evident that
the Raiders do not have a receiver willing to catch a Schroeder thrown football
over the middle.
It's much too early to start screaming for Marinovich he hasn't taken the
pacifier out of his mouth yet.
Jeff
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| 40.238 | Uncle Al's a Mobster..... I saw him with Gambino! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bronco's #1 in Boomer's Book | Wed Sep 11 1991 10:34 | 4 |
| The Faids got luckey and beat Donks by 3 $%^%^&^&*) points.
I got $$$$ that say the donks finish with a better overall
record than the happless Faiders unless the bench wrong way
Jay. Good game Faids see ya in Nov.
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| 40.239 | Raiders = 2-1 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Sep 13 1991 17:44 | 15 |
| The Raiders face the AFC's #1 defense (so far) this weekend when
they play the Colts. The Colts offense hasn't been doing too much
yet, but with a QB like George and an RB like Dickerson they can't
be taken to litely. I expect another close one this weekend with
the Raiders winning by a TD or so.
Bo Jackson said that if his doctors clear him to play football,
he'll be getting his guts knocked out or knocking somebody else's
guts out after baseball season. After seeing him run 'though, I
don't think it's a good idea just yet, I think he should wait until
next season at least....
Carlos
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| 40.240 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Sep 20 1991 12:21 | 11 |
| The Raiders play the Atlanta (wanna-be-raider) Falcons this weekend,
should be interesting to see what kind of tricks old Glanville (sp?)
has up his sleeve. The Donks are keeping pace with the Raiders so
far, but I think the Chargers will win there first game in an upset
in Denver (probably more wishfull thinking than anything, but it
could happen). Looks like the Raiders are returning to last years
form, especially on defense, now if we could just get a few more
TD's from Schroeder and co.
Carlos
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| 40.241 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Sep 20 1991 13:14 | 9 |
| Atlanta has a fairly good defense. I watched them play KC in game 1,
and they were pressuring the QB every play. Atlanta seems to be close
in every game, no matter who they are playing. I don't think this will
be any different.
Who ever wins the war in the trenches will win this game.
Unfortunately I think the faids will win, but you never know......
Tim
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| 40.242 | Jay.... You Shoulda Stuck to Baseaball | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football, Feel The Thunder | Mon Sep 23 1991 16:43 | 9 |
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HA !!! I love it.... The "Wanna-Be-Raiders" looked more like the
Raiders than the Raiders Did..... I'm telling you, and you can quote
me on this.... The Raiders will go no where until they dump Wrong Way
Jay and get themselves a REAL QB...... I think I saw an article in
S.I. that said Plunket want's to come out of retirement and Play for
the Raiders.... If I were Uncle Al Davis I'd seriously consider giving
him a try out, He's got to be better the Wrong Way Jay. Hell, I'm
better than Wrong Way Jay, Ain't that right COMET::JACKSONTA
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| 40.243 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Sep 23 1991 19:31 | 7 |
| Better than Jay, Jack? I don't know, you can throw thee short ones,
but he can throw the long ones.
From what I heard, Jay threw an int at the end of the game on
Atlanta's 20. Any conformation?
Tim
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| 40.244 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Sep 24 1991 12:09 | 3 |
| Where is Carlos? Every time the Faids lose, he disappers, kinda
like Hal;^
Tim
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| 40.245 | Get it right will ya? | GENRAL::WADE | | Tue Sep 24 1991 13:27 | 9 |
|
Tim,
I've noticed a trend in your notes that is probably of concern
to all ::SPORTS noters........... you haven't mastered the
smiley face thang! You either tack on two noses or leave the
mouth totally off. Cut down on the SportsShrooms(tm) OK?
Claybroon 8*)
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| 40.246 | c=vacation Good-Bye for the WAD!!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football, Feel The Thunder | Wed Sep 25 1991 18:17 | 5 |
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Clay Wad..... You're a Bone Haid....
Big Game
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| 40.247 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Wed Sep 25 1991 19:04 | 7 |
| The Raiders got smoked by the wanna-be's, ....but their still only
a game behind the Donks. They play the Montana-less 49'ers this
weekend, should be a good game to watch. I think the Raiders will
take it (no bias here), they always seem to play tough against the
good teams and choke against the one's the should smoke.
Carlos
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| 40.248 | | PEACHS::MITCHAM | Andy in Atlanta | Wed Sep 25 1991 21:25 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 40.247 by ELMAGO::CGRIEGO "Even so, come, Lord Jesus." >>>
>
> I think the Raiders will
> take it (no bias here), they always seem to play tough against the
> good teams and choke against the one's the should smoke.
The 49ers and Falcons are currently tied. So who's the good team and
who's the one they should smoke?
-Andy
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| 40.249 | Sorry Raiders....49ers < .500 wont happen again | MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Thu Sep 26 1991 09:27 | 7 |
| This Game will come down to Luck, the team that makes (recovers) the
turnover early in the 4rth qtr will score and hold and win the game.
Hope its the Raiders but the 49ers wont slip back under .500
49ers 24 Raiders 16
Mike
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| 40.250 | Faids lose again? | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Sep 27 1991 19:02 | 4 |
| Gee thanks Clay......8********** I never knew what these stupid
signs meant, so I kinda wanged it;^?
T
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| 40.251 | Donks slurp.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Oct 01 1991 18:58 | 10 |
| Raiders beat the 49'ers this weekend 12-6, it was kind of a boring
game to watch tho' with a grand total of six field goals accounting
for all the scoring. The Raiders 'D' is playing good, but the offense
still ain't got much of a clue. One of the bright spots on offense
was Nick Bell returning from a knee injury, he can run and catch
very well and he's only gonna get better as the season goes on.
Now if they could only get their rookie QB going.....
Carlos
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| 40.252 | Thanks for choking Schroeder & co. | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Oct 07 1991 14:15 | 1 |
| Sure is quiet in here anymore.
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| 40.253 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Oct 08 1991 15:25 | 16 |
| > -< Thanks for choking Schroeder & co. >-
I think you should omit Schroeder from this statement, the S.D.
loss was not Schroeder's fault. He actually looked pretty sharp
this weekend (although I only saw the last half of the game).
I think Roger (cough it up) Craig, and Willy (all thumbs) Gault
are more to Blam (tm) than anybody. Schroeder hasn't been playing
up to last years par though,........but there's still alot more
games coming up for him (and the rest of the team) to get it together.
They could sure use a wake up call right about now, especially with
Seattle coming up......the only way they'll win the division again
is by beating other division rivals and right now they are 1-1 in
that department. Oh well, at least they'll win one more with their
annual sweep of the donks.....:-)
Carlos
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| 40.254 | A week off means Carreker comes back | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Tue Oct 08 1991 19:44 | 11 |
| I didn't see much of that game either, but I remember watching a
highlite on ESPN? and they showed Fernandez? wide open for the bomb,
and Jay overthrew him by 5+ yards. Normally the QB gets most of the
blame when "not enough" points are scored. Didn't Jay have 1-2 int's?
WE will see about the sweep buzzzzz. Barring injuries, I think the
Broncos will have a good season with winning all the home games;^^
Tim
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| 40.255 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Wed Oct 09 1991 18:42 | 1 |
| Mike Wise DL was dumped by Faiders yesterday.
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| 40.256 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Seachickens & Blue Jays are Chokers! | Mon Oct 14 1991 11:09 | 23 |
| Well, Seattle should no longer be the Seachickens - they should be
the SeaChokes! Here's a team with quite possibly the best home-field
advantage in the NFL and they not only make a close game out of a 17-0
lead but lose the game! Damm idiots!! No wonder I hate 'em.
It would've been much worse at halftime but I see now how terrible of a
QB Kemp is. He makes Pat Ryan look like Joe Montana. His int. right
before half really hurt Seattle. This was a big win for the Faids
though like they said after the game. And when the f%#&ing hell are
teams gonna learn to just blitz the hell out of Schroeder?!? Put alot
of heat on him, make him hurry his throws, hit him a few times and get
him rattled! At least Roger "I fumble" Craig is in midseason form.
What's the deal with the people of Seattle? I thought this was Seahawk
country all the way, some of the best fans in the NFL, and every time
they scan the crowd I see a bunch of "I (think) I'm cool because I wear
black" Faider fans. Come on Seattle, show some pride for your beloved
team and not the damm enemy!!!!! And keep those Faider fans out of your
Kingdome!
Joe
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| 40.257 | | CAM::WAY | Party on, Garth | Mon Oct 14 1991 11:18 | 14 |
| Joe,
When I saw Kemp drop back on that last pass in OT, I picked up the
phone and made airline reservations. If I on the East Coast knew who
he was throwing too, I'm sure every DB anywhere west of the Mississippi
did too. If he'd have taken just a little longer to release the ball,
I might have made the inty and not Lott 8^)
(If he'd have waited to release a second more, Lott might have scored a TD...)
Boy, does he suck as a QB.
'Saw
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| 40.258 | AFC West is starting to look interesting | ANGLIN::KIRKMAN | What a WONDERFUL honeymoon | Mon Oct 14 1991 11:29 | 9 |
| I don't get a chance to watch many Seahawks games, but what I have
seen, they are everything I dislike about conservative coaching.
Everytime the Seahawks get a lead, the coaching staff sits on the ball.
Get real, this is the NFL where the offenses can score points. Throw
the ball (at least occationally, when the running game isn't working),
or you deserve to lose. The offensive play calling lost this game.
Commander Scott
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| 40.259 | Kemp kills Hawks..same old, same old... | DECWET::METZGER | Good pitching beats good hitting | Mon Oct 14 1991 16:01 | 28 |
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I was at the game last night and it was typical chuck knox and Jeff Kemp. He is
one bad QB...Even roborookie McGwire would be better than Kemp. Every time he
went back to pass in a critical situation you knew he was gong to throw an Int.
The game was bad for a few reasons. First the Chicken Hawks lost, second, there
was a ton of obnoxious Raider fans at the game (It seemed like every two bit
punk looking kid there was a raider fan), and lastly I didn't have any binoculars
to watch the SeaGals with (but I managed to borrow a pair for their end zone
dance :-)
Massively conservative play calling killed the Hawks. On the defensive side the
lack of any sort of a pass rush killed them. The 'hawks need to spend their first
round choice this year on a speed pas rusher.
17-0 (it should have been 24-0) at the half and 0 offense in the 2nd half. They
had one offensive play in the 2nd half that got them a field goal but that was
it.
I've never seena game with more replay reviews either....it really stretches
that game out with TV timeouts and replays and more timeouts and ugh....
Activate Krieg or play Roborookie....
Metz
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| 40.260 | Faids get lucky | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Oct 14 1991 16:38 | 13 |
| I saw this game, and the reason Knox is conservative is because his
QB stinks! Its hard to want to pass if you know that out of every 10
pass att that at least 1 of those will be picked.
Give the game ball to Lott. He made a critical 3rd down stop on
Williams in the 4th? and then the int in OT.
This was one of the sloppiest games every. Faids = 5 turnovers in
1st half, and 'chickens choke in second.
How many flags were thrown? 30+ is my guess.
Tim
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| 40.261 | | CAM::WAY | Party on, Garth | Mon Oct 14 1991 17:06 | 15 |
| So Metz....
By my calculations, you guys are done with football for the day at around
8pm. Last nights game ended at 11pm my time.
What's up after that? A late dinner in some of the fine eateries near
the kingdome? Not much area for tailgating there, so I figure you have
to eat out.
Or just heading home....
What does a typical Seattle fan do?
'Saw
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| 40.262 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Hi-OO Silver, Awaaayyyy | Mon Oct 14 1991 17:13 | 8 |
| Saw -
A typical Seattle fan climbs into the Winnebago and drives back to
wherever they came from, saying "Awww shucks, and stuff..."
Other typical Seattle fans go out binging, eh.
JD
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| 40.263 | The typical Seattle Sunday... | DECWET::METZGER | Good pitching beats good hitting | Mon Oct 14 1991 17:27 | 22 |
|
Not being typical in any way,shape or form and having most excellent weather (43
consecutive days without precipitation) this "Hawks fan got up early and did a
benefit walk around Green Lake, went out to brunch, hung out around green lake
and read the paper and watched the badaciousness skate,walk,ride by and then
went to the game which started at 4:30 PST.
Watched the game and then headed home because of the long day. Because the
Kingdome parking situation is absolutely outta control the Mrs. and I didn't
get home 'till 10:00. A quick screening of the previous nights Almost Live
and a part of Saturday Night Live and it's off to bed to rest up for the
long work week....
Had it been an early game tailgating or dinner out would have been in the
works....
Quite the large contingent of winnebago people that must drive from all over
the state to see the ChickenHawks.....not quite the same crowd as M's games.
I predict Kemp goes on the waiver wire this week after Krieg gets activated.
Metz
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| 40.264 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Mon Oct 14 1991 19:02 | 11 |
| Another great come from behind victory for the Raiders.
I don't think I've ever seen so many flags thrown in one game, it
seems like they threw a flag after every single play. The officiating
for this game really sucked, for example the 'too many men on the
field' ruling after the Seahawk kickoff that 'Toast' returned for
a TD after it went into the endzone without a Seahawk player touching
it or a Raider player signaling for a fair catch. What a rip, or
how about the Howie fumble recovery.
Carlos
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| 40.265 | | DECWET::METZGER | Good pitching beats good hitting | Mon Oct 14 1991 20:31 | 13 |
|
You knew that the refs weren't going to allow a td on that play. Even if it
was a vlid one. They were caught with egg on face syndrome. The local paper
here even aid that the Raider player warned the officials before the game
that he would try this if the 'Hawks were napping on a punt or kickoff....
Metz
PS - the raider player should have let his teammates know he was going to try
this then they would have stayed off the field. As it was it sort of was the
correct call because both teams had people on the field that weren't part of
the original play.....
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| 40.266 | Why are Bronco fans so concerned about the Raiders? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Doin' the Tomahawk Chop | Tue Oct 15 1991 12:18 | 1 |
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| 40.267 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Tue Oct 15 1991 12:58 | 9 |
| > -< Why are Bronco fans so concerned about the Raiders? >-
Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry......Seriously tho' If you'd be beat
up by the same big'ol bully year after year, you'd be concerned
about his well being too! Ain't that right Tim? Besides the Donks
know that if they're gonna have any chance of winning the division
they're gonna need some outside help wif da Raiders. :-)
Carlitos
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| 40.268 | | CELTIK::JACOB | Loaded for Bear-sort of | Tue Oct 15 1991 13:00 | 7 |
| Da Raiders are toast. Whoever wins this week betwixt the Chiefs and
the Donkeys will win the division. Raiders will only be able to hope
for a wild-card, at best.
JaKe
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| 40.269 | I Love The Donks But I Like My Money More !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football, Feel The Thunder | Tue Oct 15 1991 16:58 | 14 |
| The Faiders have a lot of talent and have had for a few years now.
They have one glaring problem that will keep them from winning like
they did in the days of old, WRONG WAY JAY !!! Until they give the
bum his walking papers they won't worry the Semi-Happless Donks or
anyother team in the league. Theres a saying about old JAY arong the
Rockies and is goes like this "As long as Jay's around He'll keep the
Faiders down". I gotta say that the trade with the Skins were the gave
up Lachey (SP?) for Wrong Way Jay was the biggest mistake I've ever
seen Uncle Al Davis make! I gotta agree with JaKe..... Who ever
wins the game this Sunday wins the division
Big Game
P.S. I'm Picking The Cheifs !!
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| 40.270 | | DECWET::METZGER | Good pitching beats good hitting | Tue Oct 15 1991 18:32 | 17 |
|
ESPN reported rumors that the Raiders were thinking about benching Jay after his
dismal 1st half. Lucky for him he pulled off the comeback and bought himself a
little more time before Marinovich becomes the QB.
Nick bell loooked good this week. He doesn't look especially fast, no punishing
but he reads his blocks well and finds the hole. He runs pretty straight up
for a big guy.
Roger Craig is through. He might still step high but he's very slow in getting
to the hole and extremely easy to knock down. he'll be gone after this year....
When's Marcus coming back ?
Metz
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| 40.271 | | 17135::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Wed Oct 16 1991 11:21 | 17 |
| > When's Marcus coming back?
I think Marcus Allen will be seeing some action this weekend against
the Rams. Just in time too, the Raiders sure miss him, Nick Bell
is getting better each week but he can't do it by himself. Wonder
where Greg Bell's at? Roger Craig isn't all washed up yet just ask
the Donks, Craig had a good day against them and he's been pretty
good in other games too except he has a very bad habit of coughing
the ball up at the worst possible moments and it's been hurting
the team, he needs to work on hanging on to the ball. The Raiders
need to start utilizing Craig's receiving skills too, he's one of
the most dangerous running back receivers coming out of the backfield.
I expect the Raiders to have a good day against the Rams this weekend.
Raiders by 10 or more!
Carlitos
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| 40.272 | Probably no Baby Snake action this year? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Oct 17 1991 11:20 | 14 |
| In answer to my own question: "Wonder where Greg Bell's at?", I
did a search on his name and Kenn entered a reply a few weeks ago
saying that he had been placed on the waived-due to injury list.
I was reading my latest copy of Raider News yesterday and I noticed
that Marinovich cannot play for the Raiders unless Schroeder, and
Evans both go down (with injuries), and if this does happen and
Baby Snake (tm) stinks up the place neither Schroeder or Evans can
come back into the game. It has something to do with him being the
46th player on the roster. So I guess this means we probably won't
be seeing him in action this year, but you can bet he'll be challenging
the others for the #1 position next year. Go Schroeder!
Carlitos
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| 40.273 | Is he injured? | GEMVAX::HILL | | Thu Oct 17 1991 12:22 | 15 |
| Not that I'm really up on this sort of thing, so please excuse my
ignorance if it's obvious, but... Wasn't Marinovich a first or early
round pick? He's been hyped quite a bit, going back to his pushy
overbearing dad trying to "make" him into the "perfect QB".
Anyway, the idear that he may not see any action this year seems kind
of strange, unless he's injured. I usually thought that a 1st round
pick is a guy who can come in and make an immediate impact. The other
early round picks are guys who can contribute in their first year, but
may nor start. I realize that they may be bringing him along slowly,
like Testaverde was, but it seems like he should be getting some time
in there. Also, didn't they pay him a ton of money? Might as well play
the guy...
Tom
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| 40.274 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | and the home of the Braves | Thu Oct 17 1991 12:42 | 8 |
| re .273:
> Wasn't Marinovich a first or early round pick?
Marinovich was the Raiders first round pick, 24th overall in the draft.
py
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| 40.275 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Go Air Force - Stun the Irish! | Thu Oct 17 1991 13:11 | 9 |
|
> I usually thought that a 1st round
> pick is a guy who can come in and make an immediate impact.
Usually not the case with QB's.
Joe
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| 40.276 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Doin' the Tomahawk Chop | Thu Oct 17 1991 13:13 | 1 |
| ...and certainly not the case with this year's crop.
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| 40.277 | | CHIEFF::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Oct 17 1991 13:31 | 1 |
| I didn't know redshirting existed in the NFL.
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| 40.278 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Oct 17 1991 15:19 | 18 |
| >>Re. .273 -< Is he injured? >-
Hey Tom,
It's not that he's physically unable to perform, it's just another
of those beautiful new rules/regulations things the NFL dreams up
when they get bored. I'm not to sure exactly how it works other
than what I said in .272, but it has something to do with him being
the 46th player on the roster or something like that. I guess last
year and before that you could only have 45 players (is this right????)
and this year teams are allowed 46, with conditions for that player.
Maybe somebody whose up on the rules could shed some light?
Carlitos
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| 40.279 | Bench The Bum | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football,Feel The Thunder | Thu Oct 17 1991 16:24 | 7 |
|
I'm not up on the rules to that depth but I beleive you're right.
I can only say that the should have Jay hit the pine and play the
second stringer instead.... Any things got to be better for the
faiders than wrong way Jay !!
Big Game
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| 40.280 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Oct 17 1991 17:07 | 9 |
| A few times I can remember thinking the same things about Schroeder
(e.g. Bench the Bum! and stuff) but he's really not that bad, the
Raiders have won a lot more than they've lost with Jay at the wheel.
It might be because of the rest of the team, but many of them were
around when Marc Wilson was the QB and the Raiders were batting
.500 or less, Jay's 100% better than Wilson and I'd rather have
him in there and the Raiders winning (no matter how ugly it looks)
than take a chance ending up with another Wilson clone.
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| 40.281 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Thu Oct 17 1991 17:16 | 11 |
| Jack, I can't beleive you would want the faiders to bench Schreoder.
The division will be locked up by Denver or KC with Jay playing, I mean
losing games for LA.
I wouldn't exactly say Jay made a second half come back for LA. Its
more like the seachickens couldn't find they're offense if it was in
front of they're face. Now that Kemps gone, the seagulls will
probably be more competative.
Tim
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| 40.282 | | DECWET::METZGER | Good pitching beats good hitting | Thu Oct 17 1991 17:22 | 8 |
|
Jay-bone is only as good as his offensive line. If you give him time to throw
he does a pretty reasonable job at finding the open receiver.
Under pressure (any sort) is a completely different story
Metz
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| 40.283 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | My Golf Handicap?? Showing up!!!! | Thu Oct 17 1991 17:37 | 11 |
|
>>(any-QB) is only as good as his offensive line. If you give him time to throw
>>he does a pretty reasonable job at finding the open receiver.
>>Under pressure (any sort) is a completely different story
Metz,
these statements can be said about almost any QB, including Brister!!!
JaKe
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| 40.284 | Hey Big Game The Donks S__K!!!!!! | CNTROL::CHILDS | Say GoodBye to Freedom 1984 is here!!! | Thu Oct 17 1991 18:19 | 7 |
|
I believe the rule states that you can carry 46 players only if the
46 th player is your 3rd string QB and he can only be used in the game
if you first 2 Qb's get injuried...
mike
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| 40.285 | Only if he is your third string QB, and the others get hurt, and it is a Thursday night game and... | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Dr. Seuss - RIP | Thu Oct 17 1991 20:29 | 12 |
| re: .1
Now there's another brilliant NFL rule for you!
re: Marinovitch
The other thing to remember about the guy is that he left school early. This
season is really the equivilant of his senior (?) year of college. While I'd
love to see him play and succeed for the reasons we discussed in August, I can
understand him spending this year on the bench.
=Bob=
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| 40.286 | Better than wrong way Jay and the Faids any day | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football,Feel The Thunder | Fri Oct 18 1991 10:58 | 6 |
| Hey Mikey !!!! The Donks don't S__K near as bad as the Faiders !!
I'm gonna take $20.00 from HOOT this year on a bet the the Donks
finish ahead of the Faiders in the AFC West...... Care to lose some
of you hard earned money as well???
Big Game
|
| 40.287 | TGIF | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Oct 18 1991 12:14 | 5 |
| Mikey shouldn't talk since his squeelers are sipping badly! Notice
both the squeelers and faiders are looking for a good QB? The
squeelers are actually in worse shape than LA.
Tim
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| 40.288 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Go Air Force - Stun the Irish! | Fri Oct 18 1991 13:46 | 12 |
|
> Jay-bone is only as good as his offensive line. If you give him time to throw
> he does a pretty reasonable job at finding the open receiver.
> Under pressure (any sort) is a completely different story
You hit the nail right on the head, Metz.
Joe
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| 40.289 | Filet Jay | QUASER::HUNTER | Air Force Football,Feel The Thunder | Fri Oct 18 1991 16:23 | 4 |
| Yea Tim, But not much worse off...... Wrong Way Jay is right up
there with the worst of `em....... Boy he really SIPS.....
Big Game
|
| 40.290 | How's it feel, Faids? :^) | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Oct 29 1991 09:56 | 29 |
| What a beautiful backbreaking loss by the Faiders last night, losing
one they probably should've won. :^) :^) I couldn't believe KC came out
looking so awful, but gotta give the Faids credit for holding off a couple
KC comeback attempts until Wrong Way Jay's disastrous interception early
in the 4th with LA about to put the game away. Even if the Faids settle
for a FG there they probably win because KC wasn't doing much offensively.
That long int return was just the boost the Chiefs needed. KC
converted 2 4th downs, one on each TD drive to complete the comeback.
A few plays before the winning TD the Chiefs were called for offensive
interference on an absolutely horrendous call, but at least it didn't
end up affecting the outcome of the game.
What in the hell is the Faiders' f&*%ing problem?!? Do the
a$#holes think they have to start a damm fight every time poor little
Wrong Way Jay gets sacked? Just play football and quit acting like
f#%$ing street-fighting idiots.
The Faider d-line is definitely the strength of their team. They
didn't give KC much running room and were constantly in DeJerk's face.
LA also had some good, unexpected calls, which certainly isn't
uncharacteristic of them. The TD pass on 3rd and 1 in the 2nd quarter
was a gem - the receiver was *wide* open. And the fake punt took what
wind was left out of KC's sails but Wrong Way managed to choke. (Heh
Heh). I just hope Denver's ready for these type of calls a week from
Sunday.
Joe
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| 40.291 | THANK THE EQUALIZER!!!!!! | WLDWST::VALENZUELA | | Tue Oct 29 1991 10:07 | 6 |
| Good job Jay Schroeder!!!!!
The Equalizer comes through again!!! K.C should thank the EQ.
(Jay) for giving them an early turkey dinner! The Equalizer
will keep every team in the game,with a chance to win.
I hope Raiders do something about getting rid of Schroeder!
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| 40.292 | Wrong Way Jay <> To Lachey | QUASER::HUNTER | The Donks Know Okoye | Tue Oct 29 1991 11:29 | 21 |
| HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!
You gotta love it.... The Faids choke, K.C. has 5 road games and
the Donks hold 1st place by a Knats A**..... HAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!
Wrong way proves once again that Uncle Al Davis made the worst mistake
of his life trading Lachey to the Foreskins for some clown that should
have stayed in Baseball. Jay is a bum and I know that Art ain't gonna
put up with this kinda crap from him much longer.
I couldn't beleive that call of offensive pass int. on the K.C.
receiver..... That is until I saw Uncle Al handing the Zebra a
C-Note ($100.00) on the side line.... He's finally learning from
Revees and Bowlen... ;^)
Big Game
P.s. Donks To Pound Both K.C. And Faiders At Home to Clinch AFC WEST
And Hoot Owes Me $10.00 HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
|
| 40.293 | Donks Sip! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Thu Oct 31 1991 12:21 | 15 |
| Tough loss for the Raiders on MNF, they kicked KC's butt all night
but ended up walking away the losers. Schroeder's getting most of
the blame as usual, but there were two passes to Raider receivers
in the endzone that should of been caught but were dropped. Schroeder
can't get the blame for that, he also wasn't on the defense when KC
did come back and score 2 TD's. He did give them the ball that lead to
their first TD, and he also gave them the ball when they had a chance
to tie it up with a field goal. I don't know what all these Donk
fans are snivelling about, the Donks are lucky to have come away
with a W to last years worst team, and they should have lost it.
Not to worry though, we'll see how many show up in here after the
Raiders put the hurt on the Donks AGAIN! :-)
Carlos
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| 40.294 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Thu Oct 31 1991 18:16 | 5 |
| HAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!! I got ticket to the game against the Faids...
I haven't been to a Donks game yet where they've lost......
The Big Game KOD is on the Faids !!!
|
| 40.295 | DOWN WITH THE E.Q. | WLDWST::VALENZUELA | | Fri Nov 01 1991 11:57 | 21 |
| Schroeder the Equalizer must go!!!!!!!
Sorry, guys but the E.Q. sucks! I understand there were some drop
passes,but that is common in all games. Every time the EQ gets
pressure,he always seems to find the oppossing team's hands!!!
He makes quite a few bad passes,descions and keeps every team
in the game. I've yet to see the Raiders put away a team, all
the teams that have losing records still have a chance to
upset the Raiders! The EQ said on ESPN that he shouldn't have
thrown those passes,but should have made better descions or
even kick some field goals! Toooooo late now!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know about you guys, but haven't you guys suffered
enough with the Marc Wilson era??? Maybe they have to also
change up their offensive scheme! Commentators are saying
that the Raiders are asking to much of Schroeder,well maybe
they should draw plays were Jay drops back less yards and
get rid of the ball much quicker or dump off passes to the
backs!!! (ex. like the 49ers). I think then they will see
that the EQ has no touch ! so then what next?? The Raiders
have had a pretty good team over the past years, but no QB
to lead them since Plunkett left!
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| 40.296 | Al is still one of the better owners | ANGLIN::KIRKMAN | Moving is HELL | Fri Nov 01 1991 12:37 | 11 |
| To some extent, the QB problems may be a result of the Raiders'
insistance on the "vertical passing game" i.e. Al Davis.
Consistently depending on the long pass requires a great QB, speed WR
(got them), and a very good O-line. A mearly good QB would look a lot
worse than he than in some other scheme.
Don't get me wrong, other passing scheme require skilled QB, but it
would be difficult to excell in the Raiders' scheme.
Commander Scott
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| 40.297 | Faids might get to playoffs! | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Nov 01 1991 13:24 | 18 |
| re-Carlos, Put another hurt on the donks? The Faids didn't put a
hurt on them the 1st game. yes they won, but a 3-4 point win (can't
remember the score) doesn't imply a hurt. Now a 40-6 score would is
different, and we know that won't happen between these 2 teams no
matter where they play.
Lets not talk to much luck for Denver until you look at how the Faids
got their last 2 wins, ie seattle and rams.....
IMO, If the uncle wouldn't of picked up Lott, who was the guy who
basically won those 2 games, then the faids would be 3-6 instead of
5-4.
I believe the series will split this year. Both Denvers and LAs
offenses are lackin right now (not alot of points). The second game
advantage belongs to Denver 'cause of homefield and better QB.
Tim
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| 40.298 | Art is a Real Raider !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Fri Nov 01 1991 16:47 | 8 |
| Tim, I think your analysis is pretty much right on. You know,
The one thing I can't beleive is that Uncle Al has put up with
Wrong Way Jay this long... Al is one of the better owners ans usually
dosen't keep poor performers around very long (ie: Sammy Seal) I'll
bet Jay is riding the pine nexted(tm) year if the Unk has anything
to say about it !!! BTW Schell is a good coach !
Big Game
|
| 40.299 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Even so, come, Lord Jesus. | Fri Nov 08 1991 08:15 | 8 |
| >The second game advantage belongs to Denver 'cause of home field
>advantage and a better QB.
Yeah but you forget that Art Shell owns your QB, and your team,
homefield or no homefield Shell is 5-0 against the Donks! Besides
Marcus is back in Town. Raiders by 7.
Carlos
|
| 40.300 | Looking forward to the "clash" | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Nov 08 1991 11:12 | 11 |
| faids by 7, Carlos, even you know that theese games are usually
decided by 1-4 points.
A snow storm is coming sunday (supposedly) so I wonder how good the
faids will play in that. Denver rarely looses in snow games.
I'm wondering how much playing time Marcus will get? I would think
Shell would "slowly" ween him back into the game, so maybe 10 carries
max.....
Tim
|
| 40.301 | Start sweating Donks! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Nov 18 1991 12:39 | 19 |
| Hey Tim, I know it's late but you were right about Shell weening
Marcus back in, he did'nt do too much against the Donks rushing wise,
although he did manage to throw a beautiful TD pass. Against the
Seahawks this weekend he only rushed for 54 yds, but that was more
yardage than any of the other Raider backs. Schroeder tore it up
yesterday, didn't get to see the game but I saw some highlights and I
wished I coulda seen the game. With this season's sweep of the Seahawks
the Raiders tied up the series between them at 14-14, it seems that as
long as I've followed the Raiders they've always had a tough time with
the Seahawks so I'm glad to see things turning around. The Donks are in
sole possession of first now, after sweeping the Chiefs (Reeves owns
Shotenheimer (sp?) the way Shell owns Reeves), and they've got the
easiest schedule of the three (Raiders, Donks, Chiefs), but I think the
Donks gottza be a little nervous about the Raiders, especially after
the way they played against the Seahawks yesterday plus the fact that
the Seahawks are gonna blow the Donks away this weekend! :-)
Carlos
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| 40.302 | Jay will knock the faids off for the Donks | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Mon Nov 18 1991 15:15 | 9 |
|
Faiders are looking like they might make a race out of it !! The
Donks will be hurting if they let them tie it up and are in a must win
position... On the other hand... The Faids have a pretty tough road
to hoe till the end of December
My moneys on the Donks,
Big Game
|
| 40.303 | Over-Raters to lose at least 2 more | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Nov 18 1991 15:46 | 18 |
| > I think the
> Donks gottza be a little nervous about the Raiders,
I'm sure Denver's real nervous.....
.......NOT!!!!!!!
I would bet right now that the Faids will lose at least 2 more, and I
don't think Denver will lose more than 2 the rest of the way.
Therefore ---------> Divison title to Denver.
Thank you and good night.
Joe
|
| 40.304 | Its tight!!! | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Mon Nov 18 1991 15:48 | 11 |
| Yeh, I saw Jays stats, and (I'm forcing this out) was impressed
with it. Mind you that Seattle doesn't have a great defense, but only
missing completions and no Int's is great, for Jay anyway. I'm not
worried, 'cause like BG said, the faids have a tougher schedule, so
chances are they will be more likely to lose.
Should be good, and I would love to see another donk/faid game come
playoffs. Denver has been a kick away from winning, and they are do
for a W against Shell.
Tim
|
| 40.305 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Nov 18 1991 16:17 | 14 |
| God! I hate that "Not!!" stuff, oh it was cute the first couple of
times I heard it, but now that everybody (even Joe) is saying it, it
kinda grates on my nerves.
I agree that the Donks have an easier road ahead, (it's bad enough that
they got the refs paid off, but now they've got the schedule makers on
the payroll too?) but that's ok, cause the Raiders have been firing on
all eight cylinders since the Monday night Chiefs game that they let
slip away. And they're only gonna get better. They'll have some tough
tests though, against the Saints, the Bills, and the Chiefs. Another
rematch in Denver is a very likely possibility, but better there than
KC.
Carlos
|
| 40.306 | gotta like the Donks chances | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Mon Nov 18 1991 19:17 | 17 |
|
Correct, The Faids have been playing well since the debachle in KC.
I think it's really anyones title at this time (K.C., L.A., Donks)
With one more win in the Division for the Donks (This Sunday) it will
be all but through though. LA has some real tough road games and
still has to count on Wrong Way to keep them and not the other team in
it. Jay had a good game but we all know he's due to blow-up soon.
as the presure mounts look for good 'ole Jay to fold. The faids
are sure to pull out a WC which could lend it self to a rematch in the
`offs of these two teams (Donks/Faiders). It surely will be a great
one if it happens and it will be in Denver you can bet on that.
Big Game
P.s. The Faids are my second most loved team...... NOT!!!!!!
;^)
|
| 40.307 | (Seahawks/Jets) vs. Broncos currently | ANGLIN::KIRKMAN | Moving is HELL | Tue Nov 19 1991 10:31 | 14 |
| Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't unlikely that the Raiders and
Broncos will meet in the playoffs?
Given that KC is unlikely to win the division and neither LA or Denver
will fall to the #3 wildcard spot - won't the two teams be in seperate
*wildcard* games? I thought that the #3 division winner plays the #3
wildcard or the non-division wildcard. (Or something like that)
The odds on the Raiders and Bronos both winning their wildcard AND
beating Buffalo/Houston to meet in the AFC championship game are a bit
long.
Scott
|
| 40.308 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Tue Nov 19 1991 10:59 | 6 |
|
You know, I was thinking the same thing after my note. I beleive
you're correct, it is a long shot but a possibility.... Whats the
scoop Ninj??
Big Game
|
| 40.309 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Nov 19 1991 11:11 | 18 |
| For Denver and the Faids could meet in the playoffs under 2 scenarios:
1. Denver or LA wins the division and the other ends up with the 3rd
wild-card slot.
2. KC wins the division and Denver and LA get the 1st and 2nd wil-card
slots. This one's pretty unlikely considering KC's a game out now and
they play 4 of their last 5 on the road.
I've always disliked Luckalo, but I'm *really* starting to hate them
now. I don't know what the hell Thurman Thomas was trying to prove by
winging the ball at the wall after he scored a TD late in the 2nd half.
I might even pull for the Faiders against Luckalo when they play in a
few weeks.
Joe
|
| 40.310 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Tue Nov 19 1991 11:23 | 9 |
| Joe is right about the playoff scenarios. After all, Washington and
Philadelphia did both make the playoffs as wild-cards last year and
played each other. Patriots and Jets did so in 1985, too.
Maybe I'm missing something (and probably am) but where does all this
contradicting one's statement with NOT come from? It's annoying to say
the least.
John
|
| 40.311 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Nov 19 1991 11:35 | 12 |
| John, I'm pretty sure the "not" thing was started in Wayne's World on
SNL. It has caught on with alot of people and Bud is even using it on
one of their commercials. It will probably wear itself out shortly,
but in the meantime I kind of like it....
HA! Bet you guys thought I was gonna throw a NOT in here. :^)
Joe
|
| 40.312 | Teachers Pet ? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Nov 19 1991 13:19 | 10 |
| >> I don't know what Thurman Thomas was trying to prove by winging
>> the ball at the wall after he scored....
I know what you mean Joe, that was without class. Of course if it
woulda been a Raider that did that, there would've been a million
yellow flags flying. I think Thomas should've gotten a flag for
unsportsman like conduct, or taunting, or something.....oh well!
Carlos
|
| 40.313 | #2 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Thu Nov 21 1991 11:34 | 14 |
| Looking through yesterdays USA Today I seen that the Raiders have
been slowly moving up in the rankings on defense, they are presently
the #2 defensive team in the AFC, offense is another story though,
they're only three or four away from dead last in the AFC, the lack of
a running attack is a major contributor to this 'though. Another
interesting thing I noted in Gordon Forbes' commentary about the Bills
was that he was forcasting what he termed "a very likely AFC
Championship game" between either the Bills/Oilers or the
Bills/Raiders. Of course it's way to early to tell, but I hope he's
right about another Bills/Raiders match up in the post season
championship.
Carlos
|
| 40.314 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Thu Nov 21 1991 12:31 | 5 |
| Why ??? So the Faids can get slapped again.... Luckaolo will
kill them.
Big Game
|
| 40.315 | Bo's announcement makes it official | GENRAL::WADE | the buck of the Irish | Thu Nov 21 1991 16:01 | 5 |
|
Bo is now a 1 sport (baseball) athlete on the advice of
his doctors.
Claybone
|
| 40.316 | Forbes smorbes | COMET::JACKSONTA | You forgot the Violin again!! | Fri Nov 22 1991 09:51 | 5 |
| I think he made the right decision. Though he was a faider, I would
have hated to see him get hurt again, and end up paying the "penalty" for
risking his bod.
Tim
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| 40.317 | Karnac of Spouts | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Free Ivan the terrible | Fri Nov 22 1991 16:52 | 10 |
| The Raiders will be lucky to win 2 more games this season.
@Cincinnatti W
@San Diego W
Buffalo L
@New Orleans L
Kansas City L
Just lucky they don't play the Bronco's...
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| 40.318 | Geez, who woke Riggen up? | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Fri Nov 22 1991 17:19 | 3 |
|
|
| 40.319 | 10-6, no problema! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Nov 22 1991 17:20 | 10 |
|
>> Just lucky they don't play the Broncos!
Hey Mods, shouldn't this be moved to the jokes topic?
As far as them being lucky to win two more, don't bet on it, I think
they'll lose two more, to , to the Chargers (Maybe???) and to the
Chiefs. They've got revenge on their minds for Buffalo, Cinci is weak,
and the Saints game is on Monday night and everybody knows that the
Raiders are just about an automatic win in that category.
|
| 40.320 | How'd the Faids do in KC? | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Fri Nov 22 1991 17:25 | 9 |
| > and the Saints game is on Monday night and everybody knows that the
> Raiders are just about an automatic win in that category.
The Faiders' Monday night record is an overused and overrated stat!
Besides, the game is in New Orleans and those fans will be rockin' and
rollin'.
Joe
|
| 40.321 | How'd the Faids do in Denver? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Nov 22 1991 17:53 | 4 |
| >The Faiders' Monday night record is an overused and overrated stat!
Sure....if the Donks owned it, we'd never hear the end!
|
| 40.322 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Fri Nov 22 1991 23:01 | 4 |
| The last time I saw the Raiders on monday night they lost.
It was wonderfull.
BoB
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| 40.323 | I love it when a plan just falls together. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Nov 25 1991 10:36 | 4 |
| Speaking of wonderful, the Raiders are right back on top, where they
belong, isn't that just wunderful? :-)
Carlos
|
| 40.324 | Oops | COMET::JACKSONTA | Why ask why? Because thats why! | Mon Nov 25 1991 11:23 | 4 |
| I don't know about wonderful, but it wasn't totally unexpected
considering who they played, the worst team in the NFL.
Tj
|
| 40.325 | #1 in the West | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Nov 25 1991 12:11 | 8 |
| Well when you consider that the Raiders only had 19 yards passing, then
you know what I mean when I say wonderful. It was a wonder that they
even won much less blowing them out. Incidentally, the Bengals
shouldn't have even had 14 pts., one of the Denver refs gave the
Bengals a mercy TD at the end of the first half. Speaking of Denver,
how about them Seahawks Tim. :-)
Carlos
|
| 40.326 | Big Win For the Faider Faithful | QUASER::HUNTER | Clean Environment Means Better Beer | Mon Nov 25 1991 12:28 | 10 |
|
Well,
Looks like this season is shaping up to be another battle for the
title in the West. Denver just couldn't get it going in Seattle
yesterday. If they don't turn it around the Faiders will be Champs
this year. Jackson shoulda cought the pas for the winning score...
Not like him to drop one like that. Oh well, the Donks play well
ubder pressure.... Congrats to the Faids for hanging in.
Big Game
|
| 40.327 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | Why ask why? Because thats why! | Mon Nov 25 1991 13:48 | 6 |
| what about the seagulls? Both teams looked like #$%&!! Denver
went in dazed and left dazed. Watch Seattle crawl back into the
playoff hunt. If KC isnt careful, they could choke right out of the
playoffs....
Tj
|
| 40.328 | Raiders 9 Chargers 7 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 02 1991 10:05 | 8 |
| Yesterdays win over the Chargers wasn't a pretty one, but it sure did
mean alot. The Raiders are still on top in the west, plus it's another
win within the division which could end up being the deciding factor
especially if it comes down to the Raiders and Chiefs. The Donks and
Chiefs both kept pace yesterday, and you know it's gonna go down to the
wire, any one of these three could end up the division champs.
Carlos
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| 40.329 | Shoulda lost this game ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 02 1991 11:35 | 12 |
|
What a Joke.... The Faiders will be thrashed by the Bills nexted(tm)
week. Jay and the rest of the Faider offense showed their true colors
yesterday. What a sorry excuess for a footbal team. Look for the
Donks to go 3-0 and the Faiders to go 1-3 to close the season. The
donks all but have this years AFC west Title wrapped up. After the
Soilers have their clocks cleaned by the Eagles tonight the Donks will
also be on their way to a possible homefield advantage in Mile High.
You Gotta love it !! Faider fans... Enjoy being on top while you
can cause you're not gonna be ther come the end of the season.
Big Game
|
| 40.330 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 02 1991 12:21 | 12 |
| >>What a sorry excuess for a football team.
Yeah...but...this sorry excuse of a football team has swept your
awesome Donks the last 2 years, and have won the last 5 times they've
played, and they lead the series something like 46-19. Not to mention
being the AFC West defending Champs (while the Donks were dead last).
Of course I could probably go on to say that they are the winningest
team in all sports, and that they have won the third most SuperBowls
ever, and, and....well it just goes on and on! Not too bad for a sorry
excuse, of course they're no Broncos, but they'll do.
Carlos
|
| 40.331 | Just Win Baby, Just Win | ROYALT::FORGET | LA Raiders #1 | Mon Dec 02 1991 12:58 | 15 |
|
The Raiders defense is all cranked up. I was hoping for
a shut out. Wrong Way Jay had a tough 1st half. Scott Davis
came threw again this season with another blocked Field goal.
Ronnie Lott picked off the hail Mary pass at the end.
Buffalo
at New Orleans
Kansas City
those are the teams left. 9-4 are the Raiders
Mike
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| 40.332 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Dec 02 1991 13:07 | 10 |
| > Of course I could probably go on to say that they are the winningest
> team in all sports, and that they have won the third most SuperBowls
> ever, and, and....well it just goes on and on!
Carlos, you should quit living in the past and worry about this season
and the upcoming game against the Bills. You're starting to sound like
a Notre Dame fan.
Joe
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| 40.333 | Just win (enough to make the playoffs), baby | TALLIS::SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Where is Fee Waybill Now??? | Mon Dec 02 1991 13:36 | 4 |
|
Raiders to finish 9-7, take it to the bank..
/Jeff
|
| 40.334 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Stardate 12.06.91 - BE THERE ! | Mon Dec 02 1991 13:43 | 1 |
| Silver and Black Roooullle !!!!!!!
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| 40.335 | | CTHQ2::LEARY | Better than LDS | Mon Dec 02 1991 15:03 | 7 |
| Someday Joe C., dat comment will come back ta haunt ya.
Premature burial is what yer givin us.
Go Raiders
MikeL
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| 40.336 | Donks = AFC West Champions !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 02 1991 15:28 | 21 |
| re: 332
More like Hoot...
Carlos,
10-6 will be the Faiders ending record... While the Donks finish
12-4. The past is the past and know one can change it. You Faider
fans are all the same. You live there... In the days when you had
a real team and a real QB and a real city to play in. Bellie up to
the bar and get ready for another season finished as second flute to
the awsome Donks.
Big Game
P.s. The Sweep won't mean a thing when the Donks take the title !!
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| 40.337 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Dec 02 1991 15:33 | 6 |
| I wouldn't mind if Denver finished 1st .... as long as they don't
finish second. The second place team hosts the Patriots in 1992 (since
it's highly unlikely the Colts can catch us, we'll almost certainly
finish 4th) and I'll be happy to see us go anywhere - except Denver.
John
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| 40.338 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 02 1991 15:48 | 6 |
|
I don't know what it is but the Pats seem to have a very tough time
of it at Mile High. The Clowns are close behind and surely surpass
the Pats in the magnatude of games lost in Mile High.
Big Game
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| 40.339 | | CSOA1::BACH | THE Chicago Bear Fan | Mon Dec 02 1991 15:49 | 4 |
| I, for one, hope the Donks get to the Super Bowl. You see, I'm a Bears
Fan...
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.340 | Da Bears, not this year | CTHQ2::LEARY | Better than LDS | Mon Dec 02 1991 16:10 | 5 |
| Chip,
Does that mean yer goin to root fer the Skins?
MikeL
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| 40.341 | | CSOA1::BACH | THE Chicago Bear Fan | Mon Dec 02 1991 17:46 | 8 |
| Da_Bearz
Actually, if my Bears ain't there, and the Pat ain't there, and the
Browns ain't there, I'm a Buffalo fan.
I was pulling for the saints but their offesive mind set makes me sick.
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.342 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 02 1991 17:48 | 5 |
|
What !! A Bears fan talking about the lack of another teams
offense ??? Will wonders never stop....
Big Game
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| 40.343 | | CSOA1::BACH | THE Chicago Bear Fan | Tue Dec 03 1991 10:12 | 3 |
| Lack of ability and lack of cajones are two different thing Big_Dame...
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.344 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 03 1991 11:21 | 5 |
| The bears have lost 2 straight... Sound like a lack of both to me !!
;^)
Big Game
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| 40.345 | uncle al had lots of $$$ for refs ;^) | COMET::JACKSONTA | Why ask why? Because thats why! | Tue Dec 03 1991 13:37 | 15 |
| Wow, this is the most action that this note has seen since
pre-season. The faids did get lucky against SD, and Jay was trying
to give the game away. SD would have won if it weren't for that VERY
weak holding call on the TD pass in the 4th.
If Jay choked like this against SD, imagine what he will do with
d bills. The bills have Bruce Smith back, which means better pass
rush.
I don't know if the bills will stomp the faids, but they should win
as long as Kelly doesn't throw 4 ints again.
Tim
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| 40.346 | | CSOA1::BACH | THE Chicago Bear Fan | Tue Dec 03 1991 14:26 | 14 |
| Easy there, Big_Dame. The Bears have lost the last two of the total
4 loses this season. But I caint claim they've played without cajones
this year, I Cain say that about da_Aints. dumb_a losses to be sure,
but I didn't see 'em Ban_Rollon_over.
Mora played for OT against the FalseCrums when he could have tried an
inch of *real* offense. What did Morona do? Dived in the middle
three time and Punted. Lost the toss for OT and lost the game.
Reminded me of some-thing Raymond Berry/Barry would have done.
Morona is scareded shiftless with the loss of Q.B. Heb_Serbert.
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.347 | Maybe when they score more that 13 pts | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 03 1991 15:24 | 4 |
| Agreed on the `Aints thing..... Da Bears have played tough but
still don't strike me as a powerhouse offense !!
Big Game
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| 40.348 | | CSOA1::BACH | THE Chicago Bear Fan | Tue Dec 03 1991 15:37 | 12 |
| Big_G,
I think we're in violent agreement. Da_Bearz haven't shown much
Potential on the score board lately.
Need Muster, Anderson, Bortz, and Thorton healthy before it happens...
Now back to the Faiders, which is another tale of woeful offense...
;-)
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.349 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Wed Dec 04 1991 10:50 | 9 |
|
Agreed... Speaking of the Faiders... I bet Uncle Al, Uncle Hootsie
and the Parrot all shudder every time the see Beruline (sp?) backing-
up Troy at Dallas..... He's twice the QB Jay could ever dream of
being. What happened there anyhow... Carlos, You know why the Faids
traded such a talent when they had to know they had a no-talent in
Wrong Way Jay?
Big Game
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| 40.350 | Confused | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Wed Dec 04 1991 10:54 | 4 |
| Cain someone 'splain to me why EL-Lay is favored over the Bills this
week? Am I missing something here? Did Thomas and Kelly git in a car
wreck? Did the Buff. Defense join the French Foreign Legion?
Denny
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| 40.351 | Bills should be +7 pts Seriously !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Wed Dec 04 1991 11:10 | 6 |
|
You've got to be kidding.... The Faiders are favored of the Luckaolo?
It's time to take out a secong mortage and bet it all on the Bills...
The Faids don't stand a chance in this game. I Hope ;^)
Big Game
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| 40.352 | Bruce who? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Wed Dec 04 1991 17:14 | 26 |
| You guys crack me up, you don't really expect a repeat of last
years championship blow out do you? That was a fluke, the Raiders just
had a terrible day, and Buffalo did everything right. A better
indicator of how close this game will be is the first game that they
played last year at Buffalo, where the Bills won it 38-24. Although the
Bills won this one, they were dominated throughout most of the game by
the Raiders, until early in the 4th quarter when the Bills exploded
with 21 (?) unanswered points in a span of about 2 minutes (I think).
Don't expect this to happen in L.A., especially after the blowout.
You can bet the Raiders will be psyhced, and ready to play! (Even
Schroeder).
About Beuerlein, the reason the Raiders got rid of him is none
other than Uncle Al. He held out last year for more money, and this
didn't sit to well with Mr. Davis, so he traded him to Dallas for a 4th
round pick next year. I think they coulda done better than a 4th, but I
don't think he was by any stretch, a major loss. He always put up good
stats for himself, except one, the W's and L's stat. This plus the fact
that they've got the rookie Robo-QB on the bench made him expendable.
Bottom line, the Raiders win with Schroeder, even if it doesn't always
look so pretty, so the loss of Beuerlein is no biggy!
Raiders over Bills by +7 in the Revenge Bowl!
Carlos
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| 40.353 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Wed Dec 04 1991 19:20 | 9 |
| No Way the Faids even cover the spread in this one. The bills are
on a role and will do all they can to stop the Faids from having their
revenge.
I really think the the trade to dallas was a mistake. The faids could
use the young talent at QB...
Big Game
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| 40.354 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Thu Dec 05 1991 08:11 | 3 |
| I agree Carlos, the game might be a lot closer. But to make the
Raiders favorites just doesn't make ANY sense to me.
Denny
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| 40.355 | Not a gambler, but play one on TV | WONDER::REILLY | So I rewired it | Thu Dec 05 1991 08:33 | 12 |
|
� I agree Carlos, the game might be a lot closer. But to make the
� Raiders favorites just doesn't make ANY sense to me.
I thought the spreads didn't have as much to do with who the
odds-makers thought was going to win as they do with getting half the
people to bet on one team and half on the other (house doesn't lose).
Maybe Buffalo fans don't bet much and they need an extra boost to
plunk some money down.
- Sean
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| 40.356 | Taking nothing away from Al | ANGLIN::KIRKMAN | Back to shoveling snow again (Uugh) | Thu Dec 05 1991 10:59 | 6 |
| re: Beuerlein
In a way it's amusing. Al Davis cultivates a rebel image for the team,
but gets annoyed when one of his players gets rebelious.
Scott
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| 40.357 | Uncle Al is a Mobster !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Thu Dec 05 1991 11:23 | 10 |
|
Theres nothing left to take away from Al. He's a has been !!
:^)
I too was surprised when Al let Beuerlein go.... He seemed to
fit all the Faider cut outs... Interesting, I think maybe it
goes alittle deeper than the $$$. Maybe he and Art didn't click ?
Big Game
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| 40.358 | | CSOA1::BACH | The actor/singer is DEAD!!! | Fri Dec 06 1991 12:25 | 1 |
| Al needs to cut some EGO, his Beuerloins move was the worsted.
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| 40.359 | HA!! | COMET::JACKSONTA | Why ask why? Because thats why! | Mon Dec 09 1991 08:28 | 23 |
| Can you say choke? There, I thought you could!
As usual in faider losses, Jay throws the game. Heck, if it
weren't for the choke kicker of luckalo, this game would not have gone
into OT.
Boy did Shell pull a Reeves or what? Only 4 passes in the 2nd half.
It seemed to work for the 3rd QTR, but with the bills, you just can't
sit on a lead. Yeh the faids have a good defense, but obviously Kelly
and co can score so fast.
The Bill tight end across the middle was never stopped, and I think
that hurt the faids. It was only 5-8 yards a pop, but it worked!!
Thanks for the lead in the AFC west Jay!!
Tim
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| 40.360 | Jay, Jay, Jay... Thanks a Ton... You're the Greatest !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 09 1991 11:33 | 19 |
|
HHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!! I love it !! Jay proves his worth to all of
Donk Land once again. This guy is a Bum and I can't beleive Uncle
Al is still putting up with it. Look for the Coke Head Todd
Marinovich (SP?) to be running this team Nexted(tm) year. The
Faiders defense totaly dominated the Bills (The Faids Will be
tough in the playoffs if Jay can keep it together) until the
4th quarter when they were on the field all the time because the
offense went into a coma. There is no question that the Faiders
should have won this game... Jay gave it away just like I knew he
would. The Bill's aren't that good. Kelly has the winning edge
just like Elway. If it wasn't for him the game would have never went
as far as it did. The guy can have a horrible day and then come back
in the final moments to pull it out. Elway, Marino and Kelly are the
best in the business today and the sad thing is no one is coming out
that looks even close to their talent !! The donks own 1st place
now, don't expect them to let it go !!!
Big Game
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| 40.361 | Thank You Luckalo!!!! | BSS::JCOTANCH | Scott Norwood Fan Club | Mon Dec 09 1991 11:52 | 16 |
| I'm certainly no advocate of Schroeder, but those 2 interceptions
really weren't bad passes by WWJ. On the one at the end of
regulation, he was hit as he threw the ball, and on the one in OT he
just overthrew on a bomb and Kelso made a great diving catch.
I was hoping the Luckalo DB would return that int. for a TD at the end
of regulation so Norwood wouldn't have to kick. I think that 5 yard
procedure penalty made the difference on the kick missing to the right.
If the Faiders don't win the division, their last game against KC will
probably be for the first wild-card spot and who gets to play at home
the first weekend. The Faids might not even get a home game in the
playoffs!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Joe
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| 40.362 | C'mon Baby-Snake! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 09 1991 17:17 | 12 |
| This game was almost like the Monday night game against the Chiefs.
It was all Raiders until the end. For the first time I am starting to
agree with you Shroeder haters, although the offensive game plan for
the second half was also very much to blame, I don't know what Robiskie
was thinking, you can't take the pressure off the Bills and hope to
skate the second half to victory. Marcus got hurt, that really sucks!
I think (and hope) you're right about Marinovich next year Big Game.
Schroeder's gotta go! Also I gotta disagree about that Elway, Marino,
and Kelly parallel, two out of three ain't bad though. Replace Elway
with Montana and your back in bidniz.
Carlos
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| 40.363 | Can the 'aints win next week? | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 09 1991 17:39 | 18 |
| Montana would never last with the questionable pass blocking line
that Denver has. Actually that line is what makes 1/2 of Elways
mistakes, IMO.
Carlos, even if Todd plays next year, it will take him 1-3 years
just to get a winning hand, IMO.
Marcus gets hurt on a kick return...What was Shell doing when he let
him go in. Marcus has proven time & time again that he is the faids
best back. Why risk his health? Nick Bell is starting to show. Good
power back replacement for Bo.
Speaking of Bo, there was this sign on Monarch pass (here in
Colorado) for the ski area that said "Bo don't know snow". I chuckled
on that one!
Tim
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| 40.364 | Faiders 10 Saints 21 | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 09 1991 18:33 | 23 |
|
Carlos,
The Faiders would love to have Elway on their team. With their "o"
line and the flock of receivers they have he would be un-stoppable in
LA. Seriously, If you look at Johns winning percentage you'ld have
to boot Marino or Kelly first. Elway is becomming better and better,
he is one of the best and everyone but you and the Clown's fans will
admit it.
I really beleive that Todd will be the Faiders QB nexted(tm) year.
Tim's point is valid... It will take him time to become an experienced
QB and a consistent winner but anything is better than Jay. I really
wish the Faids would hold on to him forever... With Jay at the Helm
the need not fear the Faids.
Tim, Look for the Saints to Slam Dunk the Faiders nexted(tm) week.
The have lost 4 in a row and are in danger of missing the playoffs.
if they beat the Faiders like I predict the Faids will be out of the
race for the AFC west and very possiblely out of the playoffs all
together.
Big Game
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| 40.365 | Raiders are Superbowl Bound | ROYALT::FORGET | LA Raiders #1 | Tue Dec 10 1991 08:49 | 11 |
|
Go with the Raiders Monday Night. The Real Man in Black will show
up. Raiders have already clinched a play off spot already. I was
disappointed Sunday, just like the K.C. game. The Raiders had the
lead, but couldn't hold on. Howie will be back in a few more weeks
also.
Mike
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| 40.366 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Tue Dec 10 1991 09:30 | 11 |
| Raiders clinch a playoff spot already? Only if they win at least 1
and the jets, chiefs or fins choke big time. It could be different if
LA loses their last 2 and the others do better. I'm not sure of tie
breakers yet.
'Aints might just win this weekend. They have good pass rushing LBs,
and we all know that means Jay will throw INTs!! Plus N'orleans is due
a win. The only thing the faids have going into this game is its a
Monday nighter.
Tim
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| 40.367 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Scott Norwood Fan Club | Tue Dec 10 1991 09:51 | 4 |
| Faids, KC and Denver all have clinched playoff berths.
Joe
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| 40.368 | Not what I heard ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 10 1991 10:52 | 6 |
|
Alright, I'm confused... Watching football Sunday I was under the
understanding that the Raiders had yet to clinch even a Wild Card.
Whats the scoop, Ninj...?
Big Game (Who would love to see the Faiders out on their ears)
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| 40.369 | | JARETH::YANKOWSKAS | Please note new node name | Tue Dec 10 1991 11:00 | 9 |
| re Big Game:
I heard the same thing as Joe in .367 (Denver, Raiders, and KC have all
qualified for the playoffs). During last night's Dolphins-Bengals
game, the announcers kept saying that "Miami is in the running for the
only remaining AFC wild card spot".
py
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| 40.370 | Who knows when Al,Dan and Frank are talking, The all full of it ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 10 1991 11:04 | 7 |
| I know... I heard the same. Thats why I'm confused. Hopefully
the Ninj can clear this up with one of his well informed and factual
notes. The guy has won several bets for me this year by providing
stats. I should have profit sharing I guess !! ;^)
Big Game
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| 40.371 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Tue Dec 10 1991 11:11 | 38 |
| Yup. A Miami win coupled with a Jets loss puts them in. If they win
at San Diego on Sunday and if we can beat the Jets, Miami gets the last
slot. If both teams win on Sunday, then the winner of the Jets at
Miami game the last week of the season will get the playoff slot (ditto
for both teams losing and ditto for a Miami loss and a Jets win this
weekend).
The only other real battle is sorting out who finishes where in the AFC
West and who will get home field advantage between Buffalo and Houston.
Team Overall Div Conf Remaining
Buffalo 12-2 6-1 9-2 at Indy, Detroit
Houston 10-4 4-1 9-2 at Cleveland, at Giants
Denver 10-4 4-3 9-4 Phoenix, at San Diego
Raiders 9-5 5-2 7-4 at New Orleans, Kansas City
Kansas City 9-5 5-2 7-4 at San Francisco, Raiders
Miami 8-6 4-3 5-5 at San Diego, Jets
Jets 7-7 3-3 5-5 New England, at Miami
In the NFC, more teams are still alive and it's a bit too hard to sort
out until after the weekend. The Redskins have not only clinched the
division but have clinched home field throughout the playoffs.
Washington 13-1 5-1 9-1 Giants, at Philadelphia
Chicago 10-4 6-1 8-2 Tampa Bay, at San Francisco
Detroit 10-4 5-2 7-4 at Green Bay, at Buffalo
Atlanta 9-5 5-1 7-4 Seattle, at Dallas
New Orleans 9-5 4-2 7-4 Raiders, at Phoenix
Dallas 9-5 4-3 6-4 at Philadelphia, Atlanta
Philadelphia 9-5 4-2 5-5 Dallas, Washington
San Fran 8-6 3-3 6-5 Kansas City, Chicago
Chicago has the tie-break edge over Detroit, they split head to head.
Ditto for Atlanta over New Orleans. The winner of this weekend's
Dallas at Philly game is in good shape.
John
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| 40.372 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Scott Norwood Fan Club | Tue Dec 10 1991 11:11 | 7 |
| Hey Big Game, don't ya believe me?!?! :^)
Just pick up a sports page and it will indicate that those 3 teams have
all clinched a playoff spot.
Joe
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| 40.373 | Ralph Is A Real Bozo ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 10 1991 13:27 | 13 |
| Another good Note from the Ninj... Thanks Buddy, I may let you
in on profit sharing afterall.
Joe, It's not that I didn't beleive you... I just have gotten som
many stories on the situation that I weant to ask the expert. The
Ninj always seem to have the right answer. Sorry if I offended ya !
Besides, I never beleive anything printed in the local rag. Hey !
did anyone see Ralf Rottens article in Mondays paper. What a crock
of $%^&. He makes the win over the `Spots sound like the second
comming of Christ for Gawds sake...
Big Game
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| 40.374 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Tue Dec 10 1991 13:54 | 7 |
| Jack, I don't pretend to be an expert. It was in the local paper today
and I just paraphrased it.
The secret isn't knowing a lot, the secret is knowing where to look to
find the answer.
Ninj
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| 40.375 | I think you're an expert... | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 10 1991 15:12 | 8 |
|
What ever... Nice of you to take time out of your busy day to
enlighten the Junk Noters of the file (Noteably Me...)
Thanks
Big Game
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| 40.376 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Dec 10 1991 18:45 | 12 |
| I believe it's kind of an understood not in writing type of thing.
If your going to be the head coach of the Raiders you have to do
as Al says. Therin lies what was one of Shanahan's biggest problems
and what he was subsequently fired over. Shanahan insisted that
Burlein was his starter. The brilliant Al wanted Jay to start.
Shanahan and Burlein both go and Jay gets the start. Sometimes
you get exactly what is deserved.
Since LA lost to KC once already, this means that the Raiders appear
to be tied for 2nd but are in fact 3rd in the AFC West.
BoB
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| 40.377 | Spoken like a true Bronco fan !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 10 1991 19:11 | 11 |
| True BoB.... And only an elightened Bronco fan such as yourself
would be able to see through the smoke to the heart of the matter.
Uncle Al got what he asked for... I sincerely hope that he is
enjoying it thourghly.
Sure is great to watch one man drag an entire team from first to
third in one toss of the ball... Unfortunatly, Jay will ride
pine nexted(tm) year. I for one would love to see Al keep him as
starter for 5 or 6 more years !!
Big Game
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| 40.378 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Tue Dec 17 1991 09:54 | 13 |
| Well....that was a dreadful sight, the Raiders offense struggled
miserably (if it was a horse I'd of shot it and put it out of it's
misery) and the defense didn't do much better. What a time to peak :-)
Bobby Hebert looked pretty good last night, kinda like a timex, he took
a lickin and kept on tickin. Congrats to the Donks they clinched the
division last night. Other than not having a chance to win the
division, the loss last night was of no terrible consequences to the
Raiders, they'll still be playing in the first round, and it's up to
next weeks game to decide if they play at home or away. Schroeder
looked terrible, Evans looked worse (passing wise), I was hoping to see
Marinovich get some playing time but it never happened.
Carlos
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| 40.379 | | JARETH::YANKOWSKAS | But I HATE figgy pudding! | Tue Dec 17 1991 10:16 | 6 |
| How old is Vince Evans?
Seems like he's been around forever...
py
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| 40.380 | | CAMONE::WAY | I believe I'll dust my broom | Tue Dec 17 1991 10:20 | 9 |
| > How old is Vince Evans?
>
> Seems like he's been around forever...
He's third from the left in DaVinci's "The Last Supper"
hth,
'Saw
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| 40.381 | | CSOA1::BACH | The actor/singer is DEAD!!! | Tue Dec 17 1991 10:44 | 4 |
| Vince was the last Bears QB to start an entire season. And that was
a loooong time ago (between Anvil-eni and Jimmy_Mac).
Chip_GSH_Bach
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| 40.382 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Tue Dec 17 1991 11:33 | 4 |
| He's like 36 or 37. He can still book though, now only if he could pass
half way decent.....:-(
|
| 40.383 | Faiders pulling the patented Redsox late season CHOKE | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Tue Dec 17 1991 12:33 | 13 |
| I think, Given the practice time, that Vince could be just what the
doctor ordered for the Faiders. Jay certinly can't take them anywhere
but down the toilet. He really looked bad. And, when given the gift
of the Hebert fumble on the N.O. side of the grid he pulls his patented
choke and give the balkl directly back to N.O.. Look for K.C. to put
it to the Faiders two weeks in a row. With a Houston loss and a Donk
win nexted(tm) week the donks stand a good shot at another Superbowl.
Sure would like to see a Washington/Denver rematch. The Donks will
win this time if they make it there. Remember my prediction....
Denver and Dallas in the Superbowl !!!
BG
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| 40.384 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Wed Dec 18 1991 13:36 | 10 |
| Hey Jack, I don't know about the skins' losing to donks....
I know of a guy that will take at least a $100 (unofficial) wager
that says the Broncs and cowgirls don't get to the SB together this
year. I was next to the core 8 break room yesterday and said it will
be denver & dallas in the bowl, and this guy stands up and says I bet
$500 that they both don't go, and of course I just laughed and said I
was joking 'cause I don't think either will go......
Tj
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| 40.385 | A New ERA...... | ROYALT::FORGET | LA Raiders #1 | Thu Dec 19 1991 12:28 | 7 |
|
Last Night on ESPN they said Wrong Way Jay has two sprained
ankles. That our man of the Future Todd M. was gonna start. HE
was excited. Raiders all the way.
Mike
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| 40.386 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:02 | 8 |
|
New era... HAAAAAAAAAAA !!!
Todd M. Is a proven drug user... Do you really think that
he'll be any kind of leader. Can't wait to see K.C. wipe
the field with the Faiders and their coke head QB...
Big Game
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| 40.387 | | USCTR2::NAHEARN | | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:15 | 12 |
| That Marinovich was a drug user has been proven....but to suggest that
that makes him incapable of being a quality QB and/or leader is way off
base (IMO)!! Possibly the only difference between him and any other
quality QB is that we KNOW he did drugs. Other successful players were
fortunate to not get caught at their vices. Also, IMHO, suggesting
that anyone is forever dogsh*t due to prior indiscretions in their
lives demonstrates major league ignorance!!!
HTH,
Nelly
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| 40.388 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his Lips...Know new taxes | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:20 | 2 |
| Besides, Todd's dad wouldn't let him eat Twinkies! How cain he miss?
Denny
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| 40.389 | let he who is w/o sin, cast the first... | CTHQ3::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:22 | 10 |
| Well,
Two QB's come to mind who had the rep(Ah repeat rep) of alcohol/drug
use and did ok, namely Stabler and Namath.
As far as Marinovich, he was brought up with the strictest of health
diets; i.e., I'd be more afraid of he going into a junk food frenzy,
steenkin' up the joint, and claimin' a pseudo-Twinkie defense. 8^)
MikeL
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| 40.390 | great minds think alike, eh Denny? collision | CTHQ3::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:26 | 1 |
|
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| 40.391 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his Lips...Know new taxes | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:27 | 1 |
| Musta been the T-bird!
|
| 40.392 | Only half kidding !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Thu Dec 19 1991 13:43 | 11 |
|
I was Half Joking when I said that Todd would never be a leader
because of his past drug use, But only half. It's proven that
Cocaine in one of the most addictive drugs around. It is also a
fact that better than 60% of drug users and Alcoholics begin using
the stuff again in a very short time after "Cure". If Todd. can keep
his nose clean, especially now that he's got big $$ in his pocket
than more power to him. Also, think how much better Kenny and Joe
might have been had they been clean.
BG
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| 40.393 | Go Baby Snake! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Thu Dec 19 1991 14:33 | 20 |
| It's about time they give the kid a chance, he couldn't do much worse
than Schroeder and Evans did last week. He played in one pre-season
game this year against the Cowpokes and did pretty good, he came into
the game in the second half and scored at least one TD, I know it was
only pre-season but still, he led the Raiders to victory. He looked
very precise in that game, he didn't allow room for mistakes, I figure
he'll be doing more handing-off than anything this weekend, but if need
be the kid can throw. Also, the Raiders have eight players who were
selected to the Pro_bowl :
Ethan Horton, TE
Steve Wisniewski, Gd
Don Mosebar, C
Greg Townsend, DE
Ronnie Lott, S
Jeff Gossett, P
Jeff Jaeger, K
Tim Brown, Return Spec.
Carlos
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| 40.394 | | CNTROL::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Dec 19 1991 15:01 | 3 |
| I was surprised to see that the New England Patriots are ranked higher
offensively in the AFC than the Raiders. The Pats offense has
generated more yards than Schroeder and Co.
|
| 40.395 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Plato,Voltaire,Smith,Thompson | Thu Dec 19 1991 16:30 | 23 |
| re .394
Not too suprising. The Raider's ground game has fallen off a cliff this
year without Bo Jackson. Allen is still a good back, but not a
300-carry a season back. Roger Craig is through, and Smith is a good
complement, not a feature guy. On the passing side, Millen has 2 or 3
300 yard games, and a few others where he's been over 250. Can't say
the same for Schroeder.
The difference is that Schroeder can generate big plays and points. The
Pats are still learning.
re Lott
Score a BIG one for Al Davis. And you better believe that the Niners'
braintrust is kicking themselves of this one. The Niners wanted to
offer Lott a one year deal with an option, the Raiders were glad to get
him with a two year deal. Great move. The Niners missed Lott's
leadership in a huge way.
I've no doubt his loss probably cost the Niners a playoff berth.
Doc
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| 40.396 | Enquiring Minds Want To Know | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Thu Dec 19 1991 17:04 | 13 |
|
Congrats to the Raiders for the 8 Pro Bowl picks... As a
defense, they played great baal in all but a few games this year.
As an offense however, they were offensive. I still can't
understand why Uncle Al let Wrong Way Jay hang on so long. It
became painfully obvious to me and 90% of this file that Jay
was a loser early in 1990. Somehow, he managed to hang on with
the usually ruthless Al Davis for another season. Anyone know
what the scoop is here. Could it be that Al just couldn't admit
that he made a mistake when he traded for Wrong Way Jay.
Big Game
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| 40.397 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Thu Dec 19 1991 17:22 | 7 |
| The faids got 2 offensive lineman in the PB, but why? There line
was lackluster and didn't produce much in the way of a running attack.
Lott has to be in the top running for defensive MVP, and Townsend
deserved the selection as well.
Tim
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| 40.398 | I asked BG he said cost Al big $$$$$$$ ;^) | CNTROL::CHILDS | Merry Christmas Everyone | Fri Dec 20 1991 07:33 | 6 |
|
how often did Wrong Way get sacked?
might be the answer might not..
mike
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| 40.399 | Ethan Horton? | CSC32::J_HENSON | I'll 2nd that amendment! | Fri Dec 20 1991 12:04 | 10 |
| I was surprised to see Ethan Horton make the Pro-Bowl. But, before
anyone gets on my case, I'll admit that I only watched LA play two or
three times this year. But, I never did see Horton have a particularly
good game, either. I did seem him drop quite a few catchable balls,
though.
Anyone want to show me where I'm wrong? I mostly am just wondering
if he really had a Pro-Bowl year.
Jerry
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| 40.400 | | DECWET::METZGER | Promise me you won't rewire anything. | Fri Dec 20 1991 14:41 | 14 |
|
He ate the seachickesn alive both times they played the raiders. I'm pretty
sure he couldda made the pro-bowl based on what he did against us alone...
However as his owner in FFL_B I have to say that he did have an excellent
year and seems to have made a great transition from running back to TE.
He'll only improve....
Considering the extrame lack of pass catching talent at TE in the NFL I say he
deserves the nod. There are a lot of great blocking TE's but not too many
catching ones. The usuals (holman,kay,Miami, green -pitts,Mckellar) didn;t
really have great years...
Metz
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| 40.401 | Barbara Streisand, eat your heart out! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Dec 20 1991 14:51 | 10 |
| Watch for a star to be born this weekend! If he chokes it won't mean
much cause it's expected from rookie QB's (?) but if he tears it up,
the rest of the AFC West could kiss any hopes for the future goodbye.
By the way, how did such superstars like Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana,
Marino, Fouts, Moon, Stabler, etc...etc.. do in their first couple of
NFL games? Did any of them cause an immediate impact, or is that
unheard of for QB's?
Carlos
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| 40.402 | Marino from the very beginning | SHALOT::HUNT | Fluffy Bunny Feet | Fri Dec 20 1991 14:56 | 10 |
| � By the way, how did such superstars like Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana,
� Marino, Fouts, Moon, Stabler, etc...etc.. do in their first couple of
� NFL games? Did any of them cause an immediate impact, or is that
� unheard of for QB's?
None of the above except for Marino. He made an immediate impact the
minute Shula put him in midway through the 1983 season. In 1984, he
threw for a record 48 TD's and he hasn't looked back since.
Bob Hunt
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| 40.403 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Dec 20 1991 15:04 | 3 |
| How about any others (ever) that were not mentioned?
|
| 40.404 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Fri Dec 20 1991 15:17 | 4 |
| surely wasn't Wrong Way Jay, or Stabler, or Plunkett...
And we all know it wasn't Elway... He stunk it up for a few years !
BG
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| 40.405 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Dec 20 1991 15:21 | 3 |
| A few years.....a few years...?....He's still stinking it up Big_Shame!
|
| 40.406 | Elway #1 | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Fri Dec 20 1991 15:24 | 8 |
| I should have known better than to put that in here with
slimey raiders fans on the loose... Al I can say Carlos
is he's put another AFC west championship under his cap.
Thats a hell of a sight more than Wrong Way can say this
year. When the Faiders have a QB to speak of, come see me
and we'll compare Elway to him... until then TTTHHHHHHPPPPTTTTTT!!!!!!
BG ;^)
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| 40.407 | Walsh makes me puke.. | CUBIC7::DIGGINS | Thirst N'Howl Roolz! | Mon Dec 23 1991 08:09 | 9 |
|
The kid play's in 1 game and all ready he's the second coming
of Stabler. Give me a break. Enberg and Walsh were making me
sick talking about Marinovich. Let's see what the kid does over the
course of a FULL season. Then I'll be raving with the best of them.
Steve
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| 40.408 | | WONDER::REILLY | So I rewired it | Mon Dec 23 1991 08:14 | 2 |
|
But do you think they showed his parents on tv enough?
|
| 40.409 | | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is almost two!!! | Mon Dec 23 1991 09:31 | 4 |
| >But do you think they showed his parents on tv enough?
Especially his dick haid father. It's too bad teh guy continues to have any
influence on the kid's life. [No, I don't meant to open that rat hole again.]
|
| 40.410 | QB for sale, cheap! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 23 1991 10:02 | 15 |
| How about all those shots of Schroeder updating his resum�! :-)
I don't know...but the kid looked better than alot of ten year veterans
out there. I was very impressed, looks like the Raiders are finally
gonna have a QB again. I think the receivers were a little freaked out
getting hit on the #'s .....
DeBerg had an excellent day too, don't expect that again next week!
What really lost it for the Raiders yesterday was their in-ability to
stop the run, the Chiefs had over 200 yds and could run at will just
about. If the Raiders can stop the run next week, they should be able
to pull it off. Look for Baby-Snake to play again, if the Raiders have
any hopes of winning the Superbowl it'll be with the rookie!
Carlos
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| 40.411 | Broncos Rule !!! The win the old fashion way, they Earn It ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 23 1991 11:53 | 15 |
| Hey Carlos... I'm guessing by your P_Name that you watched
In Living Color last night. Wasn't Homey just great as Santa
or I mean Homey Clause...
From what I saw of Todd, he looks like he could be a good QB
for the Faikers. I don't think he'll do anything for them this
late in the year though. I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose
hi first to starts but people shouldn't take that as a sign of things
to come. Todd looks like he may have the talent and poise to become
the Faikers QB of the future, true... But the second comming of the
Snake he is not, at least not yet !!
BG
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| 40.412 | the "Coral Snake" !! ? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 23 1991 12:41 | 17 |
| I think you're right about Marinovich not being the second coming of
"the Snake". Although he is a lefty, wears #12, and if he coulda got
the ball one more time I think he coulda pulled a last second victory
yesterday, ala Ken Stabler. I do think though, that I was right on the
money when I said last week that a star would be born. I also think
that this kid could be even better than the "Snake", ahh!...I know..I
know...blasphemy! ...but still....Maybe we should nickname name him the
"Coral Snake", I think coral snakes are highly venomous, and bright
red! Yes that sounds good, I think he just went from Baby-Snake to
Coral-Snake. Al Davis did it again, everybody thought that signing
Marinovich in the first round was utterly foolish, but i think uncle Al
in all his football genious is probably smilin from ear to ear right
now! Even if the Raiders don't do much in the playoffs this year, their
future looks very bright, imagine Todd launching it to the Rocket,
scary huh?
Carlos
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| 40.413 | Sounds like your ready to compare him to Montana | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 23 1991 12:56 | 11 |
| I saw some highlites, and don't get to excited, even though you faider
fans need/have a reason to be excited at the QB position. Will you rant
and rave after the chiefs sack todd 5-6 times next week?
He threw what 3 tds, and thats good, but 1 game doesn't make him
into an instant star. Besides he didn't win...
Please play Jay, that would be a sure loss for faids.
Tim
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| 40.414 | Merry Christmas Raider fans! | WLDWST::RCARRUTHERS | Night Flier: ~~v~~ | Mon Dec 23 1991 13:08 | 34 |
|
This was in todays Mercury News reprinted without permission.
Happy Holidays! Night Flier ~~v~~
SCHROEDER THE RAIDER QUARTERBACK
(Sung to the tune of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer)
Schroeder the Raider Quarterback,
had a very shaky arm.
And when he missed his targets,
Davis cursed with much alarm.
All of the Raider fan clubs
Used to call him dirty names.
They never gave poor Schroeder
Any chance to share the blame.
Then one Sunday in LA,
Shell stepped up and said,
"Jay it's time for me to see
Marinovich instead."
Then the Raider fans were clapping
Till they learned it's all not Jay.
Even with Todd at Quarterback,
Their team can lose anyway.
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| 40.415 | Raiders-Chiefs open ot up next weekend | CSCOAC::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Dec 23 1991 15:09 | 9 |
| Saturday's early game:
L.A.Raiders 9-7-0 at Kansas City 10-6-0
Saturday's late game:
Atlanta 10-6-0 at New Orleans 11-5-0
Sunday's early game:
Dallas 11-5-0 at Detroit 12-4-0 or Chicago 11-5-0
Sunday's late game:
N.Y.Jets 8-8-0 at Houston 11-5-0
|
| 40.416 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 23 1991 15:50 | 20 |
| >> Will you rant and rave after the Chiefs sack todd 5-6 times next
>> week?
They didn't sack him once yesterday, what makes you think they'll do it
Saturday?
>> Sounds like you're ready to compare him to Montana
He's better than Montana...(:-) )...it took Montana a couple of seasons
to make an impact. Besides like you said Tim, we Raiders fans finally
have something to be exicited about at QB, don't burst my bubble yet!
At least wait until the kid chokes. By the way, I'm not the only one
who has praise for Todd, so does Shottenheimer, Cherry, Shell, T.
Brown, Tom Weir, Walsh..etc..etc...the rookie's made a great first
impression. Also, by comparison to Mr. Ed, a seasoned veteran playing
against the worst team in the division, Marinovich, who played against
the second best team in the division, does look like a star.
Carlos
|
| 40.417 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 23 1991 15:56 | 5 |
| Well it will be tough not to burst your bubble, but since its X-mas
time, then I guess I can wait til the 26th.
Have a good one!
Tim
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| 40.418 | Faiders could be 0-16 and you'd still be raving | BSS::JCOTANCH | How are the Faiders doing? | Mon Dec 23 1991 16:04 | 9 |
| > Also, by comparison to Mr. Ed, a seasoned veteran playing
> against the worst team in the division, Marinovich, who played against
> the second best team in the division, does look like a star.
And Elway's team posted the W while Todd and the "Commitment to
Excellence" boys posted their THIRD STRAIGHT loss.
Joe
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| 40.419 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 23 1991 17:02 | 14 |
| >> When the Faiders have a QB to speak of, come see me and we'll
>> compare Elway to him... until then TTTHHHHHHPPPPTTTTTT!!!!!!
Hey Big Game, is this a little earlier then you expected!
Marinovich 3 TD's, 0 sacks, 243 yds, 0 int against the 2nd best in
the division.
Elway 0 TD's, 6 sacks, 196 yds, 1 int against the worst team in
the division.
Who's the veteran, and who's the rookie? HaaaHa..Heee...!
Carlitos
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| 40.420 | Donks and Cowboys in the SB... Count on it !!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 23 1991 17:16 | 42 |
|
Boy... You people just can't seem to get it through you thick
haids, can you. Elway WINS, Period... He is the winningest
active QB in the NFL since 1984... Thats what, 7 years running.
Think about it !! Who gives a sh*t about the QB Stats and ratings
and all that other BS. What is the Bottom Line. In case you don't
know I'll tell ya !! It's wins baby. Wins, Wins, Wins thats all
that matters. That coupled with the fact the Elway is the toughest
QB in the league (Kelly's Right up there too) and rarely misses a
start and you have a consistent winner. I get really sick of the
Elway bashing that goes on in here. The guy is one of, if not the
most feared QB by defenses around the league. Put Elway on a team
like the 49ers of old, the 85 Bears, the Fish of the early `70s
and he's as good as anyone that played on those teams. Put him
on the Championship Steelers team and they go undefeated. Calling
Elway a loser, or a choke, or just an average QB is a joke. The
Man is the Proto type QB of the future. 90% of the teams in the NFL
would kill to have the guy on their team.
Todd Marinovich will be good. You can see that he has the Talent
and poise to become a starter for the Faiders, there is no question
about that. But, to compare him to the Snake, Stalbach(sp?) or
Montana is pure BS. the guy has started on game, count it one.
Yes, he looked good and threw for three TD's but he lost the game.
The fact of the matter is, the score make it look like the game was
much closer than it really was. Todd can thank the Faider defense
for even being in a position to make it close. The Chiefs should have
won the game by 10-17 pts. but missed some opportunities that they
had to score more. The bottom line is that Marinovich has the talent
to be a winner, he has yet to prove he is one however.
The Faiders will lose to K.C. this weekend. Not because Todd or Jay
but because K.C. is the better team. The Faiders have pulled their
patented end of season slide into mediocrity and will be home for new
years. I personally would like to see Todd work out for the Faiders.
having 3 great teams in the AFC West (Denver, K.C., and the Faiders)
can't help but make them all better and in turn help the entire AFC
to reach the calibar of play in the NFC today. The NFC (as much as I
hate to say it) is and has been playing better football that the AFC
for years.
Big Game
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| 40.421 | Yeh, most of what he said | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 23 1991 17:58 | 1 |
| Its a good thing your in a good mood Jack;^)
|
| 40.422 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Bad_Boy of ::SPORTS | Mon Dec 23 1991 18:43 | 4 |
| Well, I gotta get all my shots in today... I'm outa here till
the 6th of Jan.. See ya all and have a great holiday season
BG
|
| 40.423 | What's bright red and extremely venomous? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Dec 27 1991 10:07 | 14 |
| Well, tommorrow's the big game and it looks like the rookie will be
getting the start again. The Raiders are 40:1 odds against winning the
superbowl. Defense has been the Raiders bread and butter all year long,
but in the last three games (all losses) they have played poorly, if
they can snap out of it and get back to form I think the rookie could
lead the team on offense to make the big plays. Look for a lot of quick
short passes to both Allen and Craig. Also watch for Tim Brown, and the
other receivers and tight-ends to be a factor now that they have a
decent QB. Hopefully Howie, and Golic will have recovered enough to
help stop the run and put some pressure on grampa DeBerg.
Raiders by 7 or more!
Carlos
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| 40.424 | Its not just the smog | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Fri Dec 27 1991 11:40 | 13 |
| By 7 or more? Maybe if they play like they did in the Monday
nighter against the Chiefs a couple of months ago, but this time they
have to stop choking.
The boy at QB is good for faids (maybe), but don't be suprised to
see him benched if the pressures and chokes come into play. Of course
if Jay is playing, then go bowling, 'cause there is no reason to watch
your team choke.
Wait a minute. I said choke alot in this reply. Maybe a new name
for this team is in order;^) Any takers?
Tim
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| 40.425 | Blowout city, Baaabbby!! Get a TO, Art!! | BSS::JCOTANCH | How are the Faiders doing? | Fri Dec 27 1991 11:41 | 7 |
| I can't believe the Chiefs are only favored by 4 points - they should
be favored by 4 touchdowns.
I'll be shocked if the Faids are in it after halftime.
Joe
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| 40.426 | Donks=Worst 12-4 team in the league! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Fri Dec 27 1991 11:47 | 6 |
| >> Any takers?
Hey Tim, the donks already have dubbs on that one, after their three
chokes in the big game, although the vikes might flip you for it.
Carlos
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| 40.427 | I'm talking this year | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Fri Dec 27 1991 11:50 | 1 |
|
|
| 40.428 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | RudolphTheRedKnowsRain,Dear | Fri Dec 27 1991 12:07 | 1 |
| Carlos, the Donks never choked, they flat got their @$$#$ kicked.
|
| 40.429 | Ok, Now my bubble's bursted! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Mon Dec 30 1991 09:48 | 11 |
| Marinovich, well he played like a uh....a rookie. The Chiefs were
expecting him and they threw him into confusion with different looks.
It was a good game though (matter of fact all of 'em were this
weekend), and I really thought they were going to pull it off in the
4th qtr....until they self destructed with all them penalties (wonder
how much the refs charged Shottenheimer :-) Nick Bell was having a
field day out there. Oh well, I guess this wraps up another good season
for the Raiders and we'll just have to wait till nexted year as the
saying goes.
Carlos
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| 40.430 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | See ya in August, Faiders | Mon Dec 30 1991 10:07 | 16 |
| > It was a good game though
Are you maybe talking about the Atlanta-NO game, Carlos??? I admit I
didn't sit down and watch this and only caught bits and pieces of it,
but everytime I glanced at the TV one team was either stumbling on
offense, turning the ball over, or being penalized.
Well, Marinovich proved he can be the successor to Schroeder. Four
interceptions - Schroeder would be proud of that one. Plus he fumbled
one away too. Not too bad.
Now it's time to pull for those Faider-killin' Chiefs to go into
Luckalo and whip that cocky-assed Thurman Thomas and his Bills.
Joe
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| 40.431 | My tidbits | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 30 1991 11:46 | 22 |
| I say the same Joe. It was a sloppy game, with 4 defensive starters
on Chiefs being out. The Chiefs didn't take advantage of the rookies
mistakes. This score was much closer than it should have been. Heck,
mr reliable Lowery didn't have that great of a day.
I told you guys not to get to excited about Todd. He came out and
thru-up all over himself. He was lucky that Thomas went out with the
accelerated heart beat. He may be good one day, but pleeaassee wait
until he proves himself.
Jay will be riding the pine next year, or maybe traded.
Chiefs beat faiders 3x this year, and the faids go out on a 4 game
skid!!!!
I don't think the faids had a good year. Yeh they beat the Broncos
2x, but the only other winning team they beat was the 49'rs, and I
think the 9'rs had a loosing record at the time they played.
Next year Carlos......
Tim
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| 40.432 | No way KC cain beat Buffalo | TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is almost two!!! | Mon Dec 30 1991 16:25 | 11 |
| A sloppy game for sure.
Don't know what got into Marinovitch - he telegraphed his passes all afternoon.
Every time he dropped back, however, I thought I was looking at Kenny Stabler
making a comeback.
The obvious statement here is - don't judge Marinovitch by the KC game. He is
21 (22?) years old, and starting his second NFL game ever. It was a lot to ask
of him, and hopefully his future is still bright.
=Bob=
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| 40.433 | Jay was healthy enough to play, wasn't he? | TALLIS::SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Where is Fee Waybill Now??? | Mon Dec 30 1991 17:06 | 8 |
|
I don't care how lousy Schroeder was down the stretch, there was no way
Marinovitch should have got the start.. seeing as little offense was
required to win the game I think Jay would have won it for the Raiders.
Oh, well.. who am I to second guess Art Shell?
/Jeff
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| 40.434 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Mon Dec 30 1991 17:49 | 6 |
| I'm not sure if I was judging the boy, I just basically showed that
after his 1st game 2 weeks ago, and alot of people made him out to
be the next Stabler or Montana, that he isn't. He needs to prove
himself before he is the faiders savior.
Tim
|
| 40.435 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mamma, turn your lamp down low | Tue Dec 31 1991 07:24 | 3 |
| Marinovich couldn't carry the Snake's jock. He is SO overrated....
'Saw
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| 40.436 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Dec 31 1991 15:06 | 9 |
| The Raiders are probably at as low a point now as I've ever seen them.
QB controversy still. Bo gone. Allen, as much as I even hate to say it,
for all practical purposes is through. Howie couldn't finish.
They ended on a 4 game loosing streak including 2 at home. Defeated
twice on monday night games. Next year they get a playoff team's
schedule again. It wasn't smart to expect snake II to pull their
butts out of a jam. Al would be wise to dummy up.
BoB
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| 40.437 | Induct Big Al in the H.O.F. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Homey don't play dat! | Thu Jan 02 1992 15:13 | 16 |
| I think Shell (Davis?) did the right thing putting Marinovich in there.
They had nothing to lose, Schroeder was choking miserably, at worst
they lose in the playoffs (like Schroeder woulda probably done too) and
the kid gets a little taste of the NFL since he will more than likely
be replacing Jay as the starter next year, and at best he gets the
offense going and they have a chance at winning it all. Just ask any of
the donk fans and they'll tell you that there was no way Jay coulda
took 'em to the big dance. :-) As far as Allen being through, the
experts have been saying that for the last five years, except they
forgot to tell Marcus. Besides, Nick Bell is the Raiders future @ RB,
and he'll do just fine. I think you might be right about Howie being
questionable though, sad to say. As far as Al dummying up, well, he's
the football genius and we're just DEC employees. How are we gonna
advise him, or how would it be if he came and advised you on your job?
Carlos
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| 40.438 | good move Al | FRETZ::HEISER | the tone that goes CRUNCH! | Tue Jan 14 1992 13:36 | 1 |
| Todd Marinovich will be the next Kenny "The Snake" Stabler!
|
| 40.439 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Steelers To The Super Bowl In `93 | Tue Jan 14 1992 15:02 | 7 |
| Right... And Al Davis isn't connected to the MOB either...
Not !!
Big Game Junta !
|
| 40.440 | Al Davis in the HoF! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jan 14 1992 15:44 | 8 |
| >>QUASER::HUNTER "Steelers To The Super Bowl In `93"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Geeez Big-Shame, I know the doinks are an embarrasment and all, but if
you was gonna change loyalties you coulda at least picked a real team
like da Raiders.....:-)
Carlitos
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| 40.441 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Tue Jan 14 1992 17:34 | 2 |
| A real team like the raiders? Thanks for the joke of the day
Carlos!
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| 40.442 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Steelers To The Super Bowl In `93 | Tue Jan 14 1992 17:39 | 8 |
| Great come back Tim...
Carlos, I'm a man of my word. I lost a little wager to FaKe
and the P-Name is the outcome. I wish others (MorT for example)
would live up to their word as well. Where are ya, T... Didn't
think you'ld be one to slack on a bet big guy...
Big Game Junta
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| 40.443 | | GENRAL::WADE | Whose idea was it to hang these ferns? | Tue Jan 14 1992 18:30 | 5 |
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I'm pretty sure MrT WON his bet. The donks covered. If'n
you don't believe me, check out Slashah's p-name.
Claybroon
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| 40.444 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Steelers To The Super Bowl In `93 | Tue Jan 14 1992 19:08 | 5 |
| Oh Yea... You're right, Clay... I forgot the had an unmanly bet
with a spread and all. Sorry MorT...
Big Game (With foot in mouth, as usual)
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| 40.445 | Just Keep on Winning Baby! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Gilligan,Gomer,Jethro,Elway | Wed Jan 15 1992 11:03 | 20 |
| Hey Tim and BG, will see how well the Doinks fare nexted year with a
real schedule....look for a repeat of the '90 season. Big Ba(l)d John
is ready for the pasture, he's getting injured more often (or so he
says :-) and he's taking longer to heal, he's also lost a couple of
steps in his dance (scrambling) routine, and his gun ain't what it used
to be. I firmly believe that this season was likely his lasted chance
at getting a ring....and of course he (and the rest of the team) choked.
Like I said before, next years schedule will not be kind to the Donks,
and two years from now Elway will fer sure have seen better days.
Meanwhile the pride-and-poise boys will be tearing it up as usual (or
should I say better than the usual of the lasted few years, but equal
to the usual of the franchise's history). They've got a good blend of
veterans (Howie,Marcus,Golic,Townsend,Lott,etc..) and up and coming
youth (Marinovich,N.Bell,S.Davis,A.Smith,Wiesnewski,Glover,N.Harrison)
which give them a solid nucleus. They've also got the 'Rocket' waiting
in the wings (which may or may not happen). The point is that the
Raiders future is looking real sweet while the Donks, with the decline
of Elway, have nothing to look forward to except memories...HtH...:-)
Carlos
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| 40.446 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Steelers To The Super Bowl In `93 | Wed Jan 15 1992 11:35 | 8 |
|
Boy, You sure have talked youself into beleiving that one haven't
you, Carlos. Can't wait for the Broncos to slam dance on the happless
faiders next year. Bet that'l wake you up a bit !!
;^)
Big Game
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| 40.447 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Gilligan,Gomer,Jethro,Elway | Wed Jan 15 1992 12:04 | 2 |
| Kinda like they've slam danced on them the last 2.5 years BG......
...HaaaHaaa! Keep dreaming....
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| 40.448 | says you | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Wed Jan 15 1992 12:56 | 16 |
| The boys of pride and poise? Are you talking about 49'rs or skins?
And this history stuff I have been hearing for 6 years, but nothing
has resembled that except last year.
Yes the Broncos will have a tough schedule, something the faids
haven't seen in some time. This year was the worst they had, and they
only beat 1 winning team this year. They beat the 49'rs when they were
at or under .500!
What does the faids schedule look like next year? Do they play indy,
tampa, green bay, vikes, and rams? That should be cake!
Have a nice day,
Tim
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| 40.449 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jan 15 1992 13:24 | 11 |
|
Actually, I like Elway's chances in the 1990s if and when he slows down
a bit and has to use his head and arm to get the job done, not his legs.
I honestly believe that in Elway's case the mobility and superior
athletic ability has been a double-edged sword, helping the Broncos in
the overall picture but hurting them against the cream of the crop
defenses. In NFL history, many QBs have really bloomed after the age
of 30...
glenn
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| 40.450 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Jan 15 1992 13:51 | 20 |
|
> Actually, I like Elway's chances in the 1990s if and when he slows down
> a bit and has to use his head and arm to get the job done, not his legs.
> I honestly believe that in Elway's case the mobility and superior
> athletic ability has been a double-edged sword, helping the Broncos in
> the overall picture but hurting them against the cream of the crop
> defenses.
I feel one of John's major weaknesses is that he flushes out of the
pocket too soon. And when he's trying to avoid would-be tacklers that
takes away from his ability to spot the open receiver. But whether
that will make him a better passer is a doubt in my mind. I don't
think he would be a great pocket passer - a good portion of his big
plays come when he runs or improvises after he eludes the rush.
Joe
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| 40.451 | '90 repeat for the Donks | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Gilligan,Gomer,Jethro,Elway | Wed Jan 15 1992 17:00 | 18 |
| >What does the faids schedule look like next year? Do they play Indy,
>Tampa, Green Bay, Vikes, Rams?
I wish....I think they play Washington, Dallas, Philly, and either the
Giants or Cards, plus from the AFC they play Houston, Miami, Cincy, and
Cleaveland......I think....? Plus their divisional rivals...including
the doinks...now that's cake :-)
By the way, when both of our teams schedules for last year were made
two years ago, the Raiders had one of the tougher schedules (based on
their opponents records from the '90 season) and the Donks were given a
schedule that was more at their level....lasted place! Next years
schedule is based upon this years performance, so both the faids and
the doinks will be playing against playoff caliber teams (I think), the
Raiders are used to it and should do well, the doinks, well they'll
try.....
Carlos
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| 40.453 | Na | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Wed Jan 15 1992 18:46 | 11 |
| I think this is our way of doing that Hawk. You would be suprised at
how many faider fans I get along with & party with ,etc...
We usually harass each other about the teams and end up coming back
to reality, unlike in this electronic bar at times.
I also think that these are the last "stabs" at each others teams
before next season. It will be quite in here compared to the last 4
months.
Tim
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| 40.454 | So there ! | LUNER::BROOKS | Free MrT ! | Thu Jan 16 1992 09:35 | 1 |
| Besides, Elway still caint hold Randall's jock !
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| 40.455 | Is he staging another "misunderstanding"? | CTHQ2::LEARY | Look what they've done to my song,Maw | Thu Jan 16 1992 09:45 | 5 |
| Doc,
Give us the low-down on this "Free T" business ( maybe in da junk note)
MikeL
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| 40.456 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Gilligan,Gomer,Jethro,Elway | Thu Jan 16 1992 09:48 | 11 |
| I think Tim's right, we's just taking one last chance at the cheap
shots before nexted season, it's all in good fun...
As for the Raiders schedule next year, this is REALLY the way it is.
They'll be at home against the Browns, Bills, Cowboys, and Giants and
they'll be on the road against the Redskins, Dolphins, Eagles, and
Bengals.....plus their regular home and away games against
interdivisional rivals....not hardly cake by any stretch. How does the
Donks schedule look???
Carlos
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| 40.457 | Obvious, LAR has easier schedule | REDRCK::AGUE | Jim Ague | Thu Jan 16 1992 10:01 | 10 |
| Carlos,
My guess is that Denver will be playing the same teams you listed that
the Raiders are playing, except Denver will be playing against the
Almighty Great Raiders, whereas the Raider team will get to play two
games against the lower than whale dung in the ocean Denver Broncos.
So by your standards, Raiders have an easier schedule!?
-- Jim
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| 40.458 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Jan 16 1992 10:55 | 10 |
| Denver's schedule for next year is nearly the same as the Faids'.
Home games: NY Giants, NY Jets, Houston, Dallas, AFC West
Away games: Philadelphia, Washington, Luckalo, Clevescum, AFC West
Luckalo hasn't played in Denver since the '77 season.
Joe
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| 40.459 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | This note sure gone crazy | Thu Jan 16 1992 15:06 | 7 |
|
Glen, I think you're assuming that John posses more mental capability. He
doesn't. The nineties won't be any better...
sad but true...
mike
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| 40.460 | | VLAB::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Jan 24 1992 08:27 | 7 |
| Anyone see the Simpsons lasted night? Lisa was picking winners for
Homer. I was on the floor after this one. The first 2 lines may not be
exact, but the last one is.
"I like the Dolphins, because they're pure of heart"...
"I like the Seahawks because they strive for success"...
"I like the Raiders because they cheat"!!
Denny
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| 40.461 | "Dad, I promise ya I'll never get tired of this" | CNTROL::CHILDS | that Sir, is a_inebriate fabrication | Fri Jan 24 1992 08:49 | 5 |
|
It was the 49ers who were pure of heart...yeah great episode. I was rolling
my wife Bitching cause of Bart's cool present...
mike
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| 40.462 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Jan 24 1992 09:28 | 16 |
|
> Anyone see the Simpsons lasted night? Lisa was picking winners for
> Homer. I was on the floor after this one. The first 2 lines may not be
> exact, but the last one is.
I read in SI last night that there'll be in an episode in February
where Homer plays on an all-Star team with a collection of MLB stars
(who do their own voices): Roger, Wade, Straw, Jose, Mattingly,
Ozzie Smith, Steve Sax, Mike Scioscia, and Ken Griffey Jr. They said
something about how the players assume alternate personalities such
that Darryl becomes a selfless, hustling team player and the like.
Sounds like a can't-miss...
glenn
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| 40.463 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Gilligan,Gomer,Jethro,Elway | Mon Jan 27 1992 09:29 | 1 |
| Uncle Al, enshrined in the Hall of Fame!! News at 11:00....
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| 40.464 | | QUASER::HUNTER | JaKe... The Best GD Noter Ever !! | Mon Jan 27 1992 12:47 | 6 |
| Most undeserving Appointment tot he HOF, EVER !!!
Uncle Al's a Bum...
;^)
BG
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| 40.465 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Mon Jan 27 1992 13:00 | 10 |
| Ahh contraire mon fraire! Uncle Al shoulda been inducted his first year
of eligibility. If it tweren't for Al baby, there probably wouldn't be
an NFL (AFC & NFC) as we know it today, nor a Superbowl (although the
Bills and the Doinks probably wouldn't mind that). Or the NFL's first
black head coach .....etc ...etc.
The only reason he wasn't already inducted is not because of his
contributions to the sport, but because he's also a shrewd businessman.
Carlos
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| 40.466 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Jan 27 1992 13:06 | 3 |
| Al's deserving but he's still an asshole.
Joe
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| 40.467 | | QUASER::HUNTER | JaKe... The Best GD Noter Ever !! | Mon Jan 27 1992 13:29 | 3 |
| Well said, Joe... !!
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| 40.468 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Mon Feb 03 1992 09:57 | 4 |
| Corner back, Garry Lewis was traded to the Cowboys for an undisclosed
draft pick.
Carlos
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| 40.469 | Seriously !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Two JaKes... Your Worst Nightmare | Mon Feb 03 1992 17:37 | 7 |
| Carlos... Thats a pretty heavy P-name you got there... I think it
could be considered a Political statement... Mods, What do you
think??????
JMHO,
BG
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| 40.470 | BIG AL IN THE HOF AT LAST | WMOIS::FASSETT_E | | Mon Feb 03 1992 18:07 | 1 |
| Does anyone have a list of who the Raiders made available for plan B.
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| 40.471 | I don't care who you vote for! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Tue Feb 04 1992 11:14 | 11 |
| Hey Big-Game, I'm not much of a politician nor is my P-name politically
motivated, it's just my own personal opinion of how warped our
societies morals have become. My P-name is perhaps a little graphic and
disturbing, but then again so is the actual act of taking an innocent
life. If the mods feel that it's inappropriate for this conference I'll
change it.......maybe even back to "Gomer,Gilligan,Jethro,Elway"....
of course that might be considered libelous (sp?) though....hmmm?
Can't win, can I.
Carlos
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| 40.472 | Plan B unprotected | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Tue Feb 04 1992 11:23 | 9 |
| The Raiders left the following 15 players unprotected:
Tom Benson lb, Roger Craig rb, Derrick Crudup s, Mike Dyal te,
Vince Evans qb, James FitzPatrick g, Rory Graves t, Roy Hart dt,
Jaimie Holland wr, Tahaun Lewis cb, Napolean McCallum rb,
Reggie McElroy t, Vance Mueller rb, Joel Patten t, and
Jerry Robinson lb.
Carlos
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| 40.473 | | CSC32::P_PAPACEK | | Tue Feb 04 1992 12:25 | 16 |
|
Hey Carlos, I agree with you. If we start regulating p-names its time
to close up shop. If I looked long enough I could probably find
something offensive about many p-names. Unless they contain
expletives or personal attacks most are ok and show some individuality.
As for Big Game, well what would the animal rights groups think about
hunting.
Lets not censor to the point of being ridiculous, or we'll all be
nothing but proper names and node addresses.
JMHO,
Pat
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| 40.474 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cuimhnich, 13 February 1692 | Tue Feb 04 1992 12:33 | 15 |
| I can't speak for the other moderators, but I personally have no problem
with p-names. If anything, they are probably the highest form of
personal expression in notes.
As long as a p-name doesn't cast aspersions on a person or group,
as long as it is not blatantly filthy in terms of language, it's okay.
And besides, I will remind everyone once again that we ARE all adults,
capable of knowing what is "rignt and wrong", and of knowing how
not to offend others.
JMHO,
'Saw
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| 40.475 | | FRETZ::HEISER | hope set high | Tue Feb 04 1992 12:37 | 5 |
| >And besides, I will remind everyone once again that we ARE all adults,
>capable of knowing what is "rignt and wrong", and of knowing how
>not to offend others.
JD will just start a pro-choice p_n when he sees it.
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| 40.476 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Tue Feb 04 1992 13:09 | 3 |
| Thanks Pat and Frank.
Carlos
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| 40.477 | | CSOA1::BACH | He's Ghust <Sic> | Tue Feb 04 1992 13:24 | 1 |
| thump thump thump
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| 40.478 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Rugby and C.Applegate r 4 nerds! | Tue Feb 04 1992 13:33 | 1 |
| This one is for you Saw ! :-)
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| 40.479 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cuimhnich, 13 February 1692 | Tue Feb 04 1992 14:22 | 7 |
| > This one is for you Saw ! :-)
Do me one about Meg Ryan and then *I'LL* smile ;^)
'Saw
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| 40.480 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Two JaKes... Your Worst Nightmare | Tue Feb 04 1992 17:48 | 5 |
|
Wow !! Didn't mean to stir the pot that deeply... Maybe I'll start
a pro choice p-Name...
BG
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| 40.481 | Raiders are becoming a 49'er retirement home ? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Tue Feb 11 1992 15:43 | 20 |
| Last week sometime there was this little article in the local
Albuquerque rag about Uncle Al and company going after Steve Young,
has anybody else heard anything (or anything more) about this.
Young would be a good addition to the Raiders (he wouldn't be my first
choice, but...), he couldn't do much worse than Schredder did last year
huh? And I don't think Marinovich is quite ready *yet*. I do however
believe that if he (T.M.)were to get the call he could carry the team but
there would no doubt be many beginner mistakes as witnessed in the
playoff game against K.C.. The acquisition of Young would give the
Raiders a solid QB, allow the Raiders to trade Schredder while it's
still possible for them to get something for him (haa!), and allow
Marinovich a little bit more time to develop. Then again, I kinda think
that if Marinovich just gets thrown right into the middle of things he
will develop even faster, he'll have no choice (the old sink or swim
theory). In which case the Raids could spend their money on some OL's
or Dl's instead of Young, and keep Schredder as the backup, which is
right up his alley......
Carlos
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| 40.482 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | The 9 hitter | Tue Feb 11 1992 17:51 | 4 |
| Uncle Al must like the lefties.... Young would make the faids big
contenders IMO ;-(
Tim
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| 40.483 | Poor match - try KC ... | LUNER::BROOKS | You down wit MSG ? | Wed Feb 12 1992 01:11 | 6 |
| Foget it Carlos, the Niners are looking for a RB, preferably a big
power back.
What will LA do, trade Craig back to the Niners ? :-)
Doc
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| 40.484 | Young to the Raiders or KC are both possible. | WLDWST::RCARRUTHERS | Night Flier: ~~v~~ | Wed Feb 12 1992 03:06 | 15 |
| RE -1:
Actually they are more interested in the DB position. They are also
looking for more draft choices in the earlier rounds this year so a
Steve Young trade for a couple of top Raider picks may not be out of
the question. With those draft picks they would look to acquire talented
DB's and talented running back in this years draft.
As for Craig (I saw the smiley face).....He could be back with the
49ers in a couple of years. But only as a coach. As far as using him as
a running back if it was me I wouldn't do it. He just hasn't got that
move or burst anymore like he used to (also seems to have picked up
fumble_itis). :^)
Night Flier ~~v~~
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| 40.485 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Wed Feb 12 1992 11:30 | 25 |
| > Foget it Carlos, the Niners are looking for a RB, preferably a big
> power back.
>
> What will LA do, trade Craig back to the Niners ? :-)
Well Doc, the Raiders do have Nick Bell, and they don't come any
bigger or more powerful than him, but I hardly think that Uncle
Al would even entertain the thought of trading him away....
...even for big Joe. This guy is the Raiders future as far as the
running game goes, he's like 6'2", 254lbs, can run the 40 in 4.45,
and to top it off he can catch. I'd like to see the Raiders get
another RB that's smaller and can fly around the outside as well as
cut and weave, just to compliment Bell ala Okoye and Williams. But
again, don't count on the Raiders trading this kid away. They also
have Napolean McCallum, who's a pretty big, power back, and this is
alot more feasable, although I don't know if the 49'ers would think
so. As far as Craig goes, well he did lead the Raiders last year in
rushing yardage, but only because of injuries to Allen and Bell. And
although Roger is only a shadow of his former self, he still can be
very effective if he isn't used as the workhorse. If the Raiders can
keep Steve Smith, Nick Bell, Marcus Allen, and Roger Craig healthy
next year, other teams (IMHO) will have a difficult time stopping the
run.
Carlos
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| 40.486 | Reborn As A Raider??? | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Tue Feb 18 1992 13:05 | 8 |
| The Raiders have reached agreement with Aundrey Bruce, the former #1
overall pick in '88?, on a one year contract. Every year they go after
LB's in plan B realing their need for them, however they never seem to
draft them. Aarron Wallace being the exception. I would love to see
them draft Eric Anderson from Michigan, he reminds me of Chris
Spielman.
Kenn
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| 40.487 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | WeSaveBabySealsButKillBabyHumans! | Wed Feb 19 1992 13:10 | 11 |
| Hey Kennn, who did Aundrey Bruce play for before???
I agree with you, about the Raiders needing to go after a couple
of solid 'young' LB's in the draft, although last year they did pick
up a solid linebacker in Winston Moss, on a trade with Tampa Bay.
They could also use a little more youth in the DL. Golic and Long
are some of the best in the business, but they're startng to feel
the effects of age, especially towards the end of the season.
Carlos
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| 40.488 | Played for the Falcons | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Thu Feb 20 1992 08:34 | 18 |
| Carlos,
Bruce played for Auburn in College and was drafted #1 overall
by the Falcons. He never really panned out for the Falcons for whatever
reason at LB so they moved him to TE. Needless to say the Red Gun
offense does not use a TE so they put him on plan B. There was talk in
the b papers yesterday that the Raiders were interested in Carl Zander
from the bengals and EJ Junior from the Dolphins. Neither of them does
much for me.
I agree with thefact that they need some youth on the line
however I feel they can address this next year. They have enough depth
to last them for at least another year.
I don't understand their decision of trading Gary Lewis. He
was a solid nickle back. Are we going to have to Torn Dorn get burnt
all year again??????
Kenn
BTW- I loved the trade for Winston Moss last year!
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| 40.489 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Mar 17 1992 10:24 | 11 |
| Roger Craig signed with the Vikings either yesterday or today.
While he wasn't outstanding during his brief career with the Raiders,
he did lead them in rushing yards last year, and did pretty good
considering the way he was thrown in after Marcus Allen, and Nick Bell
were injured. He pretty much was the Raiders rushing attack, despite
his unfamiliarity with the Raiders' offensive scheme, for the beginning
of the season. I think he'll do well in Minnesota.
Carlos
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| 40.490 | Plan B | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Apr 07 1992 11:13 | 25 |
| Other Plan B deals that are Raider related:
Mike Dyal, TE, signed with KC. You might recall Dyal was beginning to
show signs of being a most excellent tight end before he was injured a
couple of years back. If he recovers fully, he'll be a good pickup for
the chiefs.
Tahaun Lewis, CB, also signed with the chiefs.
Roy Hart, DT, was a WLAF pickup of the Raiders last year. He spent most
of the year on IR, and played sparingly in the last game or two. He
signed with the Jets.
On the other hand, these are Raider Plan B signings:
Aundray Bruce, LB (of course)
Anthony Bell, LB, former #1 draft pick of the Cardinals, and played
with the Lions last year.
(Anthony??) Dilwig, QB, another former #1 pick who played lasted year
with the Packers.
That's all I can remember right off the top, nobody really spectacular,
like in previous years, but maybe some of these guys will be able to
come in and contribute ala Winston Moss or something?
Carlos
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| 40.491 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Apr 15 1992 12:02 | 2 |
| It has been reported that Todd Marinovich tested positive for drug use
following the Raiders' last playoff game.
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| 40.492 | since he denied it, it must be true? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Apr 15 1992 13:20 | 6 |
| Marinovich, through his agent, has denied the report.
This is one of those cases wherein the media, in this case ESPN, cited
"unnamed league sources".
TTom
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| 40.493 | Frosty the snowman, had a very red nose... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Apr 15 1992 15:36 | 9 |
| A spokeswoman for the Raiders said that those who might comment were
either out of town or unavailable. What I'm wondering is, if it's true
why has it taken this long for anything to be said about it? It wasn't
reported what drug was being abused either, but everybody knows about
Marinovich's past abuse of coke and marijuana. Also, you'd think that
if the kid was all coked up the Raiders would've killed the Chiefs....
...or maybe that's just a myth.
Carlos
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| 40.494 | last game | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Apr 15 1992 15:44 | 10 |
| Supposedly it was after the last game that he tested positive.
The news story said that he had an incentive clause - bonus, if you will
- if'n he stayed cleaned. Also, he's open for testing almost daily by
terms of his contract.
Meanwhile, the Raiders have Anthony Dilweg in camp and are actively
searching for more QBs.
TTom
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| 40.495 | Incentive clause!...Unreal! | SCHOOL::RIEU | Support DCU Petition Candidates | Wed Apr 15 1992 16:18 | 2 |
| "we'll give you more dough if you don't do drugs!"
Denny
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| 40.496 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Apr 15 1992 16:55 | 5 |
| > What I'm wondering is, if it's true
> why has it taken this long for anything to be said about it?
I was wondering the same thing.
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| 40.497 | Why so long? | SCHOOL::RIEU | Support DCU Petition Candidates | Wed Apr 15 1992 16:59 | 2 |
| The leagues 'drug policy' is supposed to be confidentail.
Denny
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| 40.498 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Wed Apr 15 1992 18:59 | 1 |
| re-1 Only for Joe Montana;^
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| 40.499 | Not a #1 | SALEM::DODA | On the jelly donut and Pez Diet | Mon Apr 20 1992 15:32 | 3 |
| Dilweg was GB #2 pick, 3 years ago.
daryll
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| 40.500 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Apr 20 1992 17:24 | 6 |
| Re: Dilweg
I thought I seen him playing yesterday for the Montreal WLAF team?
If it was him, he wasn't very impressive...
Carlos
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| 40.501 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Tue Apr 21 1992 12:01 | 3 |
| re- 1 Then Dilweg will fit right in with the faiders;^)))
Tim
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| 40.502 | Alcohol Related????? | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Wed Apr 22 1992 07:53 | 12 |
| Delwig is playing for Montreal. Will McDonough reported in the Boston
Globe that Marinovich is rumored to be suffering from an alcohol
related problem. Which under league rules is handled the same as a
"drug problem", to my knowledge. Supposedly he spent 4 weeks in a rehab
center and is going to serve another 2 weeks in AA classes.
ESPN's, Mel Kiper reported that the Raiders are interested in taking
Carl Pickens, WR Tenn., in the first round of the draft. I like
Pickens, however I feel that the Raiders need help at LB, DB and OL.
Any other rumors????
Kenn
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| 40.503 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Wed Apr 22 1992 08:48 | 4 |
| ESPN or somebody also had a report over the weekend that the Raiders
were interested in Klingler too. Marinovich may be a bust. Caint do
them any good if he keeps getting suspended.
Denny
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| 40.504 | Draft | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Fri Apr 24 1992 11:47 | 6 |
| The USA today had 2 mock drafts in it: Mel Kiper has the Raiders taking
Carl Pickens WR Tenn. and Gordon Forbes has them taking DAle Carter DB
Tenn. The Carter pick would seem to make more sense than Pickens, due
to Ronnie Lotts age.
Kenn
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| 40.505 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Apr 24 1992 18:06 | 6 |
| Well, my most recent edition of Raider news also had a mock draft,
and they figure the Raiders will try to get some OL help. They've got
the Raiders picking 6'6" 300lbs. OT, Ray Roberts....if he's still
available.
Carlos
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| 40.506 | Who Knows? | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Sat Apr 25 1992 09:56 | 6 |
| Most of the draft notes I've been reading have stated that Roberts is
either going to be a star or a bust. They say he looks like a stiff in
one game film and a star in another. One thing about the Raiders, they
keep us guessing before the draft.
Kenn
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| 40.507 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Sat Apr 25 1992 10:55 | 4 |
| The number one rule of the Draft is never tell anyone what you're
really thinking. It's a great big poker game.
John
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| 40.508 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Sat Apr 25 1992 11:16 | 6 |
| Another thing about the Raiders and the draft...they usually try to get
the best player available instead of trying to fill their needs.
Carlos (who'd kinda like to see the Raiders take a chance on Detmer)
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| 40.509 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Apr 27 1992 11:30 | 15 |
| The Raiders picked Chester McGlockton, DL, Clemson, 6-4, 337lbs. with
their first round choice. They also traded their 4th & 8th round picks
to the Colts for Dickerson. Last year McGlockton had 7 sacks, and led
the team with 17 QB pressures. I think this selection was a good one
for the Raiders, especially since they play four games a year against
two teams that have huge running backs that like to run right over the
middle, (Chiefs & Chargers) also I'm kinda looking forward to watching
this guy bounce on top of Mr. Ed a few times. :-) I also like the
Dickerson trade, Eric's been saving himself for something....hopefully
this is it. Anybody know who else the Raiders picked up from the second
round on?
Carlos
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| 40.510 | Draft Notes | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Mon Apr 27 1992 11:35 | 21 |
| The Raiders obtained Eric Dickerson from Indy. for a 4th and a 8th
round pick. I'm not a big Dickerson fan, however I think it was a good
move for the price they had to pay. They drafted three players in the
first five rounds:
1st rnd. (16th pick)- Chester Mcglockton DT Clemson. 6-3 7/8 337lbs.
This kid is a monster! He was rated very high on most charts.
2nd rnd. (32nd pick aquired in a trade with TB for their 2nd,3rd and
7th round picks)- GReg Skrepenak OT Michigan. 6-6 1/4 317lbs. stock
dropped drastically before the draft because of poor workouts. Worth a
gamble I think. They need OL.
5th rnd. (128 pick)- Derrick Hoskins DB S. Miss. 6-3 1/4 201lbs. Good
on speacial teams. Has good speed. ( so the paper says!)
ESPN was reporting that the 49ers were offering Steve young to the
Raiders for their 1st & 2nd round picks along with Tim Brown. NOT!
I would have liked to see them get Young but I don't want to see them
get rid of Brown.
Kenn
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| 40.511 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Prince > Madonna | Mon Apr 27 1992 12:03 | 8 |
| Woah ! The Raiders got Dickerson for only a 4th and 8th rounder ? No
conditional picks ?
What a steal ....
As for Young, he's good, but a #1, #2, and Brown ?
Be for real ...
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| 40.512 | Raiders in the AFC, Dallas in the NFC :-) | POPE::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Mon Apr 27 1992 12:06 | 14 |
| Dickerson has always got a bad rap (rep) everywhere he was. Maybe
he deserved it but in this latest move he gave up about 50% or his
income. So the one thing people can no longer lable him with is
being greedy. Before the last 2 or 3 seasons he was average I
believe around 1400yrds/per/season (I think it was this high but Im
not positive). The last 3 saesons have not been very productive but
he did run behind the worst OL in football. The Raiders might be what
dickerson has been looking for and hopefully viceversa as well. Being
a Dickerson Fan (Almost gave up on him but Ill give him one more year)
Im looking forward to being a raider fan this year.....
Of course they still have a QB problem it appears.... :-(
GO RAIDERS
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| 40.513 | | DECWET::METZGER | We'll always have Paris. | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:19 | 9 |
|
Why trade for dickerson when you've got a young stud like Nick Bell ready to
lead the league in rushing next year? The Raiders will cut Allen or use him
sparingly next year to punish him for his contract holdouts. DIckerson and
Allen will both be backing up Bell by the 2nd week of the season.
Granted they got him for cheap but why?
Metz
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| 40.514 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:28 | 9 |
|
> Why trade for dickerson when you've got a young stud like Nick Bell ready to
> lead the league in rushing next year?
Because the Raiders like to collect old, washed-up players who used to
be stars.
:^)
Joe
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| 40.515 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Prince > Madonna | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:28 | 3 |
| Bell will be a Pro Bowler, but he doesn't have any real speed to the
outside, IMO. I can't see Bell being a breakaway threat - not in the
Dickerson class.
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| 40.516 | | DECWET::METZGER | We'll always have Paris. | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:43 | 8 |
|
He may not have Dickerson's speed but he's definately got enough speed to
turn the corner. The big question is why trade for Dickerson at all?
Is eric the great going to be happy playing 2nd string and carrying 10 times
a game and watching Bell carry 25 times a game (which he should be )
Metz
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| 40.517 | $ .02 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Apr 27 1992 18:52 | 14 |
| >>Because the Raiders like to collect old, washed-up players who
>>used to be stars.
Yeah, like Ronnie Lott, Max Montoya, Bob Golic....just to name a few,
these guy's are all washed up huh Joe?
And to answer the 'why Dickerson at all' question. Lasted year, the way
the Raiders liked to use Bell was during the second half after Roger
Craig, Steve Smith and Co. tired the opposing teams defense, then
they'd send in the heavy artillery which was pretty effective. At least
when Bell was healthy.
Carlos
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| 40.518 | injuries, suspensions | CNTROL::CHILDS | Anybody but the Lakers | Tue Apr 28 1992 10:48 | 9 |
|
It may have only been a 4th and 8th but they also got to pay Eric 1.5 mill
so he didn't come that cheap. If Eric gets motivate and plays again it's
a good move. Bell's an FB so they should complement one another well. Marcus
deserves more respect but unfortunately this is a business and he isn't getting
any younger.
Dickerson should be able to play for quite a few more years seeing ow he hasn't
played the last two...;^)
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| 40.519 | I know allen is older buy how much ? | POPE::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Tue Apr 28 1992 11:13 | 3 |
| How much older is marcus allen compared to Dickerson ????
MaB
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| 40.520 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Tue Apr 28 1992 12:22 | 12 |
| Dickerson was probably brought in 'cause Marcus plays (doesn't play)
hurt every year. Didn't he sit out about 1/2 the season last year?
Dickerson might help them, but then again, his attitude will
probably get in the way, and thats if he shows up for camp;^
Gee, to bad Craig didn't stick around, that would have been uncle
AL's dream backfield, a few years ago anyway!
All this won't matter unless one of the QB's step up their play.
Tim
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| 40.521 | Can't complain | CTHQ2::CURRIE | Russ Currie (227-3909) | Tue Apr 28 1992 12:53 | 8 |
| I was going to jump on the "bash Eric" bandwagon, but I think that
this might end up being a real good move for the Raiders. In Indy, Eric
was always criticized for not playing the way the coaches wanted to see
him used (over the middle passes, etc...). I think that Shell's
IN-YOUR-FACE style of football will allow Eric to be used the way that
he likes to play the game. Meaning, give him the ball and let him run.
Condo
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| 40.522 | Dickerson and Draft Info. | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Tue Apr 28 1992 13:16 | 19 |
| Carlos hit it right on the nose. Bell comes in in the second half after
teams are worn down. I would rather see Bell play the whole game, but
that is not the way the Raiders use there backs. I think it was a good
move, because last year, Marcus and Bell were both injured and the
Raiders had to rely upon Craig. If this kid Skrepenak steps up and
plays a decent left tackle, their line will be pretty solid. I think
Marinovich will do just fine (if he doesn't keep screwing up with the
DRUGS).
Other Raider draft picks were:
6th round 156th pick- Tony Rowell C Florida
7th round 185th pick- Kevin Smith RB UCLA
10th round 268th pick- Alberto White LB Texas So.
12th round 324th pick- Tom Roth G Georgia So.
Why Draft Kevin Smith (RB) over Eric Anderson LB from Michigan??? Every
time I've seen Anderson play he looked great. He reminds me of the kid
Spielman from Detroit.
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| 40.523 | Mark my words! | SHALOT::MEDVID | Who's got segmented eyes? | Tue Apr 28 1992 13:21 | 6 |
| Dickerson, who took a cut in pay to play for the Raiders, will turn in
an excellent and productive year...perhaps one close to his Rams
days...and hold out next year because he'll want to be paid his
"worth."
--dan'l
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| 40.524 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | Prince > Madonna | Tue Apr 28 1992 14:34 | 24 |
| re .523
Hmmm ... that's a thought.
IMO,
This is a good move for the Raiders because :
1) Dickerson will be ready to play because he wants to get into a Super
Bowl **badly**, and on a contending team like LA, he'll toe the line.
2) Art Shell (unlike Meyer) will not tolerate any crap from Eric, and
neither will the vets.
3) He's healthy, has not taken many knocks over the last two years, and
no matter what you say about him - he always comes to camp in shape.
I feel bad for Marcus Allen, one of the most complete backs this game
has ever seen. I think he'll probably come off the bench as a 3rd down
back, play some FB, and spell Dickerson. But he is 35, and has taken a
lot of hits. Less is more in the case of Allen. Bell's PT will also depend
on his willingness/ability to block.
Doc
his blocking. He and Dickersop
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| 40.525 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Tue Apr 28 1992 17:39 | 5 |
| Dickerson has had hamstring problems. When he stayed out of camp a
couple of years ago, he pulled a hamstring and then never really
recovered from it, IMMSMR.
Tim
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| 40.526 | They will have an awsome running attack, now how about air | POPE::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Wed Apr 29 1992 09:10 | 10 |
| Yes but how much was due to the Hamstring and how much was due to
the team he was on. Here's a top notch running back, traded to a
1/2 way decent team that does nothing but go down hill. They have
no Offensive line and they want him to run 30+ times a game for what
2yrds a whack if hes lucky. The O-line was collapsed before he got
the ball...... Id get a little frustrated and sit down an extra long
time with each injury under those circumstances. We will have to
wait and see... But if the Raiders QB's work out they will at least
win there division....
MAB
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| 40.527 | | RUGBY1::way | At 6', 245, from Parts Unknown | Wed Apr 29 1992 09:37 | 18 |
| Ah, remember the good old days, when athletes were payed peanuts,
and played with heinous injuries because they loved the game....
I remember Bart Starr playing one time with torn abdominal muscles.
He couldn't straighten all the way up to throw, but went out, sucked it
up and got it done. AFter the game, Lombardi wanted to know why he
couldn't straighten up, and Starr finally told him....
Today's stars are prima donnas. Lots of running backs have had sieve-like
lines in front of them. Some have toiled their entire careers behind
such travesties.
Dickerson is a big baby.....
'Saw
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| 40.528 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Wed Apr 29 1992 09:39 | 4 |
| I have no respect for guys like Dickerson. The guy refused to play,
yet still expected to be paid. I'm not saying he wasn't good, but his
'goodness' is totally past tense.
Denny
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| 40.529 | | MONGUS::BRYDIE | That's when I reach for my revolver | Wed Apr 29 1992 10:41 | 17 |
|
>> Ah, remember the good old days, when athletes were payed peanuts,
>> and played with heinous injuries because they loved the game....
That's why guys like Jim Otto wake up in pain every morning of their
lives. And they didn't just play wih injuries because they loved the
game they also did it because it was expected and players still play hurt
today. I have no problem with someone not playing due to an injury esp-
ecially nowadays with the money that they make. The problem I have with
Dickerson is that he faked his injuries because he didn't want to play
behind an inferior o-line. Eric could have gone down as the best ever
instead he'll always be remembered as a head case and a primi dona. But
the Raiders have a tradition of turning other teams' problem players
into their stars so he may do well in LA.
_Tommy
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| 40.530 | What can you do, kick him when hes down... | RUNAWY::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Wed Apr 29 1992 10:56 | 14 |
| Oh and no one in here as ever called in sick becasue they didnt
feel like working that day... PPPPPAAAAA LLLLELEEEAAAASSSSEEE.
You dont know what was going on with the coaching staff, the other
players, the front office, his agent, his family, his financial
endeavors. People are so quick to jump on people when there down.
Yes hes overpaid but they all are from the lowly specials teams to
the Star QB none of them are worth what there paid. And again how
can you say anything about money when we was willing to take a 50%
pay cut to get out of indy and play for a decent team ??? This is
a job to him remember. It takes guts to take a 50% cut in pay to
work for someone/someplace where youll be happier, could you do it.
M.Air.Brooks
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| 40.531 | | MONGUS::BRYDIE | That's when I reach for my revolver | Wed Apr 29 1992 11:37 | 29 |
|
>> Oh and no one in here as ever called in sick becasue they didnt
>> feel like working that day... PPPPPAAAAA LLLLELEEEAAAASSSSEEE.
So basically Brooksie, you're equating some guy who makes over a
million dollars a year to play a game and has six months of the year
off and then fakes an injury because he's not happy with some schmo who
works at DEC and wants to go fishing instead of work but doesn''t have
any vacation time left. PPPPPAAAAA LLLLELEEEAAAASSSSEEE.
>> You dont know what was going on with the coaching staff, the other
>> players, the front office, his agent, his family, his financial
>> endeavors. People are so quick to jump on people when there down.
>> Yes hes overpaid but they all are from the lowly specials teams to
>> the Star QB none of them are worth what there paid. And again how
>> can you say anything about money when we was willing to take a 50%
>> pay cut to get out of indy and play for a decent team ??? This is
>> a job to him remember. It takes guts to take a 50% cut in pay to
>> work for someone/someplace where youll be happier, could you do it.
Eric has worn out his welcome everywhere he's gone and how do you
figure he's down ? He's brought all of this on himself. He signs
contracts and then doesn't want to hold up his end. He demands trades
and then becomes a problem for the team he's traded to. He doesn't like
his offensive line so he fakes an injury. He had no choice but to take a
pay cut. He lives in LA he wanted to play there but LA wasn't going to
pay him what Indy did and nobody else wanted a head case on their
team.
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| 40.532 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Wed Apr 29 1992 11:46 | 6 |
| ...what Tommy said! Eric flat out didn't wanna play. It's fine and
dandy to take a pay cut from Uncle Al. But I'll wait and see what
happens in LA. I've got no use for guys like Dickerson. Comparing it to
calling in sick at DEC is a BIG reach!
Denny
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| 40.533 | I always take legitimate sick days | CNTROL::CHILDS | will forgive us now, for wasting the dawn | Wed Apr 29 1992 12:57 | 7 |
|
let see Eric fakes injury doesn't play. Joe Shmoo DEC superTechnowennie
calls in sick and goes golfing.....
sounds the same to me Denny?????
;^) many hhaaa
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| 40.534 | Last chance | MCIS2::CLAYBROOK | | Wed Apr 29 1992 13:07 | 7 |
| I think Eric's attitude will change quickly when he gets to L.A. or
he'll get his butt kicked. Howie Long, Ronnie Lott, Bob Golic, just
to name a few. If he still developes an attitude then his playing
days are done. I think this is his last chance.
Dan
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| 40.535 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Wed Apr 29 1992 13:13 | 5 |
| Lets see, Eric 'works' 6 months a year, 1 game per week and 3-4 days
of practice (when he shows up). I'll have to axe my boss if I cain
change my schedule. This 220+ day work year (plus MANY Saturdays) makes
me feel like I'm not getting as good a deal as ol' Eric!
Denny
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| 40.536 | | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Wed Apr 29 1992 13:26 | 11 |
| Dickerson is the first part of his last name. Things may work out,
but probably not if he rides the pine more than Allen & Bell.
Uncle Al put himself in the position that if Eric doesn't work out,
he will most likely have to waive him, because who in there right mind
would want to trade for him?
This is Bickerson's last year, if he lasts that long. Of course this
is JMO.
Tim
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| 40.537 | | CAMONE::WAY | At 6', 245, from Parts Unknown | Wed Apr 29 1992 14:04 | 12 |
| Dickerson is, plain and simple, a prima donna.
I'll give Tommy the guys like Otto, but I also have no use for someone
who makes that kind of money and is a baby becuause his offensive line
couldn't move my dead grandmother out of the way.
Calling in sick at DEC when you aren't and faking an injury when you're
a pro ball player are two completely different things.....
'Saw
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| 40.538 | Look a Little Farther | DCOPST::POOLQ::BRAKE | | Wed Apr 29 1992 14:09 | 15 |
| I don't know.....did Dickerson really whine that much when he was with
the Rams?
Knowing the talent he had, it must have eaten him up to play for such a
bad football team as the Colts. The bad trades, bad drafts, Ron
Meyer... so he decided to speak up. It sounds awful coming from a guy
who makes so much but maybe there was a grain of truth in what he was
trying to say.
Admittedly, Dickerson lacks the class of an OJ Simpson who labored for
years on a mostly cruddy football team while being quiet, but I think
there is more to Dickerson than meets the eye.
Rich
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| 40.539 | Indeed | SHALOT::HUNT | Happy Happy, Joy Joy | Wed Apr 29 1992 14:24 | 11 |
| � I don't know.....did Dickerson really whine that much when he was with
� the Rams?
Yes. I saw the Rams play the Iggles in Week 3 at The Vet in 1986 and
Dickerson was on the sidelines attired in a natty red turtleneck sweater
with black leather pants and spit-shiny Italian penny loafers.
He had been a tad upset with his contract and wanted it renegotiated so he
had already sat out the first two games plus the Iggles game.
Bob Hunt
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| 40.540 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Wed Apr 29 1992 14:47 | 3 |
| Ron Meyer was Eric the Dead's college coach. They liked each
other...until Meyer got tired of his act.
Denny
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| 40.541 | The Ice Bowl was only fun if you watched it on TV | LUNER::BROOKS | Twentyfive or 6 to 4 ... | Wed Apr 29 1992 15:01 | 7 |
| re .527
Saw, your romantic view of the game is touching, but dated. It's no
wonder that studies show that the lifespan of an NFL player maybe at
least 5 years below the norm ...
Doc
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| 40.542 | | LUNER::BROOKS | Twentyfive or 6 to 4 ... | Wed Apr 29 1992 15:06 | 10 |
| re .538
Well put. The Juice had class, and played in exactly ONE playoff game.
One gets the feeling, he trade some of it for a chance to run on a
consistent contender. Dickerson is no saint, but 1) you have to give
him points for honesty - when the Colts traded Hinton and Rison for
George, the Colts were assured of being a medicore team for at least 5
more years, and 2) I can also understand wanting to win one before he
has to hang 'em up.
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| 40.543 | | RUGBY1::way | At 6', 245, from Parts Unknown | Wed Apr 29 1992 15:08 | 8 |
| Doc, you have a point, I won't deny that. In the meantime however,
medicine and medical techniques have improved a lot more too.
I just don't like Dickerson's attitude.....
'Saw
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| 40.544 | Broncs will rule AFC West in 1992 | QUASER::HUNTER | Two JaKes... Your Worst Nightmare | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:17 | 6 |
| Well, Going to the L.A. faiders ain't gonna get Dickerson the win
He's looking for. This is a has been team (The Raiders) and it's
gonna take time to build them back into a winner... Dickerson doesn't
have that kinda time !!
Big Game
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| 40.545 | ONe Job Id love tohave | FNATCL::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:22 | 24 |
| None of them play hurt anymore, unless they have gurenteed contracts.
And Dickerson is one of 100% of the NFL Cry Babies that want gurenteed
money and contracts and playing time, etc, etc, etc. No big surprise
here. And if any of you out there really think that the NFL is a part
time job your sadly mistaken. The competition gets greater and greater
every year and more talant is produced each year. If you dont spend
time in the gym and train year round you'll be out of a job. Some
people are lucky enough to have a metabolism that they can eat and do
what ever they want and stay in shape but somehting tells me that to
be a top notch Running Back in the NFL you have to do a little extra.
You try running the 40 in 4.## seconds, Most people in this notes file
would more then likely have to jump off a 40 yrd cliff in order to
cover that much distance in 4.## seconds :-)
Does if have an Attitude problem, of course. Do any of the big name
players not... NOT. Some of them just let there agents do all there
dirty work (talk). Nice guys finish last. And its all in prespective
These guys do make too much money but remember they have a gift, and
there using it. As far as im concearned there's alot of people in dec
that make more money then there worth, but Id take it if I could get it
so OH WELL. And you cant think of it as a game, its a business and a
job........
MaB
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| 40.546 | Can you say 9-7 ? | LUNER::BROOKS | Twentyfive or 6 to 4 ... | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:29 | 9 |
| re .544
Little Lame, the DOnks play a first place scheudle this year.
They are toast.
Hunter Tried Hard,
Doc
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| 40.547 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Two JaKes... Your Worst Nightmare | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:42 | 7 |
| yea doc... I can say 9-7... That should be about where the Faiders
end up. The Donks on the other hand should do well and will make the
`offs with a first round bye...
Donks and Dallas in the SB
Big Game
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| 40.548 | I love it | COMET::JACKSONTA | HangMan | Wed Apr 29 1992 19:07 | 1 |
|
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| 40.549 | Denver= 3rd place! | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Thu Apr 30 1992 08:19 | 8 |
| This team of has beens seemed to fare pretty well against your Bronc's
last year. The Raiders have added some solid young talent to an aging
team. Anthony Smith and Nolan Harrison look to be good young players.
Aarron Wallace will be given a chance to strut his stuff this year.
I look forward all off-season to the Raider-Bronco match ups. I see KC
andthe Raiders finishing ahead of Denver.
Kenn
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| 40.550 | 1992 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu May 21 1992 15:41 | 41 |
| Here's a look at the Raiders schedule for the year, as well as my
opinion on how they'll do:
TEAM: Los Angeles Raiders
Date/Time PST/PDT TV Opponent Location
--------- ------- -- -------- --------
Sun 6 Sep 92 17:00 TNT Denver Broncos Denver, CO
Sun 13 Sep 92 10:00 NBC Cincinnati Bengals Cincinnati, OH
Sun 20 Sep 92 13:00 NBC Cleveland Browns Los Angeles, CA
Mon 28 Sep 92 18:00 ABC Kansas City Chiefs Kansas City, MO
Sun 4 Oct 92 13:00 CBS New York Giants Los Angeles, CA
Sun 11 Oct 92 13:00 NBC Buffalo Bills Los Angeles, CA
Sun 18 Oct 92 13:00 NBC Seattle Seahawks Seattle, WA
Sun 25 Oct 92 13:00 CBS Dallas Cowboys Los Angeles, CA
Sun 1 Nov 92 BYE
Sun 8 Nov 92 10:00 NBC Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia, PA
Sun 15 Nov 92 13:00 NBC Seattle Seahawks Los Angeles, CA
Sun 22 Nov 92 13:00 NBC Denver Broncos Los Angeles, CA
Sun 29 Nov 92 17:00 ESPN San Diego Chargers San Diego, CA
Sun 6 Dec 92 13:00 NBC Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles, CA
Mon 14 Dec 92 18:00 ABC Miami Dolphins Miami, FL
Sun 20 Dec 92 13:00 NBC San Diego Chargers Los Angeles, CA
Sat 26 Dec 92 13:00 NBC Washington Redskins Washington, DC
Looks like a pretty tough schedule, this plus the fact that they'll
probably be starting Marinovich equals a 9-7 or 8-8 season, to me. I
expect Marinovich will have some days where he looks like a rookie, and
others where he'll be impressive. The running game should be in good to
great condition with the addition of Dickerson. The defense will also
be good to great, with just the right balance of vets (Howie, Golic,
Townsend etc..) and youth (Davis, Smith, Harrison, and now McGlockton).
The secondary is in great shape, and the LB's may get some needed help
with the additions of Aundray Bruce, and Anthony Bell. (?) I'm looking
forward to seeing Okoye meet his match when he runs into McGlockton.
Carlos
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| 40.551 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Two JaKes... Your Worst Nightmare | Thu May 21 1992 16:07 | 3 |
| Cake Schedule... Except for the Donks that is. ~/~
BG
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| 40.552 | :^) | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu May 21 1992 17:38 | 3 |
| Geez, Carlos, I was expectin' your prediction to be 16-0.
Joe
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| 40.553 | It can happen! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu May 21 1992 18:43 | 6 |
| Well they could go 16-0....Joe (hey that rhymes), I was talkin worst
case in my previous scenario. Wait 'til I put in the best case, that
oughtta make you guy's sik !
Carlos
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| 40.554 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Playoff bound | Fri May 22 1992 03:14 | 9 |
| Carlos talks a good game, but he's not a certain Browns fan :-)
The AFC west may end up more "equal" this year when it comes to
W/L records. The Chargers are on the verge. Look for Seattle to be in
the Cellar, while the donks, chiefs and faids lead the pack with SD
hangin' tough. Of course this is based on talent, coaching and
schedule!
Tj
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| 40.555 | | EARRTH::BROOKS | I am the margin of error. | Fri May 22 1992 12:34 | 1 |
| How many assisstant coaches does Denver have ?
|
| 40.556 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Fri May 22 1992 12:37 | 1 |
| Not as many as Cleveland.
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| 40.557 | M&M | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Sat May 30 1992 10:51 | 12 |
| Earlier this week, former Raider great LB Matt Millen announced his
retirement from the Redskins. Millen spent most of his career with the
silver and black, plus a year or two (?) with the niners, and then he
finished off his career with the defending superbowl champs. Wherever
he played, success followed him, and I'm sure he'll be in the HoF
someday. I think Millen has two superbowl rings from his days with the
Raiders, one with the Redskins, and I think maybe one with the Niners
(?)....not too many can say that.
Carlos
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| 40.558 | Millen= good career but HoF?? | CTHQ2::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Mon Jun 01 1992 10:52 | 9 |
| Carlos,
What criteria are you using to believe that Millen should be in the
HoF? He was over the hill basically with the Niners and Redskins,
and was utilized in specialty situations. He had some good years with
the Raiders, maybe two great ones, but I don't consider him "great" or
HoF material. He was good and productive, yes, but HoF? Not in my mind.
MikeL
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| 40.559 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Advanced past 1st round of 'offs! | Mon Jun 01 1992 10:53 | 4 |
| Millen was one of those raiders you just love to hate (figuratively
(sp?) speaking).
Tim
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| 40.560 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Jun 01 1992 11:01 | 8 |
| Mike,
I could just as easily ask what criteria your using to exclude Millen
from the HoF, but basically it's just our own humble opinions. You
believe he's not HoF material, I believe he is.
Carlos
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| 40.561 | Ooooookay, fine! 8^) | CTHQ2::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Mon Jun 01 1992 11:10 | 1 |
|
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| 40.562 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Advanced past 1st round of 'offs! | Mon Jun 01 1992 11:30 | 1 |
| He's HoF if Uncle Al says so.
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| 40.563 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | "I'll get briefed up on that" hahahaaa | Mon Jun 01 1992 11:58 | 8 |
|
I think the fact that Millen was able to make Joe Paterno pick up his whole
team and move them to another field because Matt refused his order to get off
the one they were playing on at the time, would qualify him as HOf material...
;^)
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| 40.564 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Jul 13 1992 12:55 | 5 |
|
The Raiders began training camp yesterday....it's almost football
season again! :-)
Carlos
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| 40.565 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Jul 21 1992 17:53 | 11 |
| The Raiders signed Terence Flagler RB, and cut Michael Attardi K, last
Friday(?). Seems to me I've heard of Flagler before, didn't he play for
the 49'ers, and wasn't he half way decent for them??? Irregardless, I'm
still wondering why they'd be interested in adding yet another running
back. Isn't Marcus, Dickerson, Bell, Smith, McCallum, Mueller, etc...
enough? I think they'd be better off going after some more LB's or
OL's.
Carlos
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| 40.566 | | USCTR1::NAHEARN | | Wed Jul 22 1992 11:04 | 6 |
| Maybe Al figures to turn him into a TE???
HTH,
Nelly
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| 40.567 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel | Wed Jul 22 1992 13:23 | 6 |
|
Flagler was last with the Cards, and didn't get much action here, the
last two years. Can't figure why the Raiders would want him, unless
they really like 49er reject rb's.
Brews
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| 40.568 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Jul 22 1992 16:50 | 25 |
| Nelly,
I don't really think they'll be trying to make a TE out of him, cause
they've already got two high quality TE's in Ethan Horton, and Andrew
Glover. Horton of course, made the Pro-Bowl last year, and Glover, in
his rookie season, showed a lot of promise should Horton go down.
You're probably right though, in that they'll most likely be converting
him to another position...maybe special teams I'm thinking.
Speaking of special teams, lasted year the faids had one of the best if
not THE best special teams unit in the league. Three of the Raiders
eight pro-bowlers (T.Brown,J.Gossett, and J.Jaeger) made the trip to
Hawaii, and another, (Elvis "Toast-no-mo" Patterson) should also have
went. This unit should be even better this year, with the re-additions
of R.Brown and S.Adams, two former Raiders that excelled in ST's.
Also, caught a glimpse of the Raiders beating up on the 'pokes down in
Tejas, this morning on ESPN's Sports Center. Steve Wisniewski was
giving Russell Maryland some pointers on proper football etiquette, and
Russ didn't take to kindly to it so the Wiz had to slap him around
a little bit. You could also see Eric D. taking a snap in the short
clip they showed, looks like he still has a good little burst in those
engines, and he threw in a nice little cut move just for kicks.
Carlos
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| 40.569 | Signings??? | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Wed Jul 29 1992 06:28 | 4 |
| Is there any news on Terry McDaniel or Lionel Washington Signing?
HOw about Marcus Allen??
Kenn
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| 40.570 | 'bout time... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Jul 31 1992 17:21 | 4 |
| Tommorrow, during the Jets -vs- Eagles game, in Canton Ohio, Uncle Al
will be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.
Carlos
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| 40.571 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Fri Jul 31 1992 19:00 | 1 |
| I hope he doesn't break down and cry!
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| 40.572 | punches were flying | DESERT::HEISER | Nephilim hunter | Fri Jul 31 1992 20:39 | 3 |
| Only 12 fights between the Raiders and Cards in Flagstaff yesterday.
Mike
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| 40.573 | who got the best of it? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 03 1992 12:24 | 6 |
| Re. -1 Ahhh, that's the kind of Raider reports I like to hear.
Any reports on how McGlockton or Skrepenak are doing so far??
Carlos
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| 40.574 | They even start fights with themselves | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Aug 03 1992 12:51 | 5 |
| Heard where Elvis Patterson and assistant coach Jack Stanton got into a
real skirmish on Friday. It started with a shouting match and ended
with Patterson wrestling Stanton to the ground.
Joe
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| 40.575 | Marinovich and Schroeder Hug...... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | DONBO,DANBO,AND ROBERTBO... | Tue Aug 04 1992 07:26 | 7 |
|
Yes!!!! Raider Ball at it's finest. All I want for
Christmas is Simms or Young....
Chappy.
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| 40.576 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Tue Aug 04 1992 13:02 | 6 |
| > Yes!!!! Raider Ball at it's finest. All I want for
> Christmas is Simms or Young....
According to today's Glob, the raidahs are so thrilled with Patterson
thet they've suspended him and are tring to trade him.
Denny
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| 40.577 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Aug 04 1992 13:46 | 8 |
| All he did was try to beat up on a coach, sheesh, that's no reason to
get rid of the guy. Seriously though, trading him is not the answer,
unless they feel that he's developed some kind of bad attitude or
something, that might spread. 'Toast' had an all-pro year last year
even if he wasn't selected to the Pro-bowl, and IMHO, they oughta try
and work this out wif him.
Carlos
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| 40.578 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Aug 04 1992 17:26 | 19 |
|
Have
the
Raiders
ever
won
an
NFL
championship?
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| 40.579 | de ja vou... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Aug 04 1992 17:46 | 9 |
|
Why yes! How considerate of you to ask. As a MoF, in the last 11 years
a grand total of 4 NFL teams have claimed the Lombardi, of which the
Raiders claimed two, and were also the only AFC team to do so in that
span.
HtH...Carlos
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| 40.580 | RAIDER_FANS::ND_FANS::LIVING_IN_PAST | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Aug 04 1992 18:27 | 1 |
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| 40.581 | Ya just turned me into a Raider fan for the year | CTHQ2::LEARY | Chainsaw: Possible ND convert? | Wed Aug 05 1992 09:34 | 9 |
| Keep me outta this Cotanch!! 8^),
As far as living in the past, wait till this year.
And living in the past is what Maize and Blue followers do best.
I do like Tim Brown tho.
8^),
MikeL
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| 40.582 | Raider's greatness is in the future... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 05 1992 14:12 | 8 |
| >> -< RAIDER_FANS::ND_FANS::LIVING_IN_PAST >-
Hey Joe, at least Raiders fans can live in the past...while on the
other hand, doink fans ain't got much of a past, or future, to live in.
Besides, haven't you heard that history always repeats itself....
Carlos
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| 40.583 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Wed Aug 05 1992 18:31 | 4 |
| re- history repeating,
You mean Unckle Al is moving the team again?
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| 40.584 | It's in Pasadena this year, isn't it? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 05 1992 18:50 | 5 |
| >> You mean Unckle Al is moving the team again?
What..? ...and blow home field advantage for the Super Bowl...no way!
Carloski
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| 40.585 | | CELTIK::JACOB | Sun-ripened for Mildness! | Wed Aug 05 1992 22:40 | 10 |
|
>>What..? ...and blow home field advantage for the Super Bowl...no way!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn't know the Super Bowl was in Pile It High Stadium this year!
(8^)*
JaKe
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| 40.586 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Aug 06 1992 10:44 | 22 |
| >> -< Signings??? >-
>> Is there any news on Terry McDaniel or Lionel Washington Signing?
>> HOw about Marcus Allen??
>> Kenn
I know it's been awhile, but I just found out yesterday. The Raiders
have seven unsigned vets including: Marcus Allen, Terry McDaniel,
and Lionel Washington. The other four are: Scott Davis, Greg Townsend,
Tim Brown, and Winston Moss.
In other Raider news, DE rookie Chester McGlokton impressed the coaches
during a recent scrimmage. He was in against several veteran OL on the
Raiders second string team, and was getting to the QB on almost every
down. In case you need a yard stick: Raiders 2nd string = Donks 1st
string....:-) Also, it seems like Chester brought his big (older
anyhow, he's only 6' 210lbs compared to 6'4" 325lbs) brother, Leon,
along to try and get a spot on the roster as a safety.
Carlos
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| 40.587 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Aug 07 1992 10:34 | 7 |
| >> Is there any news on Terry McDaniel or Lionel Washington Signing?
Well, scratch Washington off the list, he just signed a three year
contract....now to get the other six into camp...
Carloski
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| 40.588 | 0-1 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 10 1992 12:59 | 27 |
| Well, the Raiders lost their first pre-season game to the 49'ers. The
final score was 24-10. The 49'ers were without Montana (who I think is
history) and Young. 4th string QB, B. Musgrave came in and scored two
4th quarter td's to put the game away for the 9'ers. The Raiders out
gained the 49'ers through the air, 252yds, to 232yds, but were not as
good on the ground....only 43 yds, in 16 attempts. Schroeder was
4-9-1-76 (1 td), and Marinovich was 16-28-0-181. On the ground,
Dickerson led the team with 6 carries for 22 yards, followed by Flagler
who was 5-18. The #1 QB spot seems to be Schroeder's, but Marinovich
will be given every opportunity to take it away. I think that by the
time we get to the first game of the regular season, (against the
doinks) it'll be Marinovich who will be in control. Although, if
Schroeder manage to keep the job, I think he is more than capable. He
had a good season in '90, but had a terrible one last year in large
part because of a lack of a running game. With Bo gone, and Marcus
Allen injured, the running game pretty much suffered, and so did the
passing game. This year things should be a little different. Allen is
healthy (tho he's not signed), Nick Bell is healthy plus he's getting
the benefit of another training camp to help cement in the system, and
of course the addition of Dickerson, all these factors should help the
Raiders have one of the best backfields in the NFL, and in turn help
the passing game regain form.
Next up, the Rams....
Carloski
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| 40.589 | Jmo................. | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | RAIDERS just beat people up!!!!!! | Mon Aug 10 1992 14:04 | 6 |
|
Sorry Carlos but our boys aint goin nowhere with
Schroeder as the QB. And I wasn't too impressed with Marinovich last
year either.
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| 40.590 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Mon Aug 10 1992 14:20 | 8 |
| Only gained 49 yards, but you say one of the better backfields in
the NFL. Kind of a contradication there Carlos.8^)
3 weeks and counting....
0-1 will be the faids record after week 1!!
Tim
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| 40.591 | No contradictions here, just the facks! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 10 1992 15:51 | 28 |
| >> Al Bundies feet=Ford Con.
Tim, what the heck? ...I don't get it.
>> Only gained 49 yards, but you say one of the better backfields in
>> the NFL. Kind of a contradication there Carlos.8^)
C'mon man....it's the first game of pre-season. Besides, if your
interested in evaluating your teams passing game...then you pass it
alot. Likewise, if your interested in evaluating your teams running
game...then you run it alot. Dickerson only got the ball six times,
while Nick Bell got it even less (3 times), and Marcus didn't even
play. So it seems like they were just giving the boys a work out, and
not really putting 'em to the test. I think the Raiders are certainly
in the top ten backfields. Others I might include are: Chiefs,
Chargers, Giants, Browns, Cowboys, Bills, Lions, Bears, Dolphins.
The thing about the Raiders, Browns, Chiefs, Chargers, and Giants is
that they have depth too. While teams like Detroit, Bills, Cowboys and
such have an ace RB, but if he should go down there's no one to take up
the slack. Then on the other hand, there's teams like the donks who
burn their ace (Humphrey), and draw a deuce (Smith)...:-)
Raiders = S.B. Champs
Donks = ....oh well, at least they'll have an easy schedule in '93.
Carloski
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| 40.592 | Can the Raiders ??? | CSC32::LATOUR | DO WHAT YOU SAY | Mon Aug 10 1992 16:19 | 6 |
|
Carolski, do you really believe "scared" Jay can take the Raiders,
to the Big One and Win??? If so explain.
Drewski
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| 40.593 | Give Marrinovich time + Betty Ford clinic | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Mon Aug 10 1992 16:57 | 14 |
| My P_name is what I think of Ford Consumer, they stink! At least
according to Peg, Al's feet smell.
I agree that the faids SHOULD have one of the best backfields, but
need to prove it. 49 yrds is squat.
Your right about the Humphrey deal-( The Broncos need to find a
running game again. What is Raymond Berry drawing up, or is he?
And yes it is only the 1st pre-game, but it won't stop me from
having fun^)
Tim
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| 40.594 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel | Mon Aug 10 1992 17:09 | 2 |
|
What is the Ford Consumer??
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| 40.595 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Mon Aug 10 1992 17:16 | 8 |
| Mortgage is the one I'm talking about.
The other type of Frod Consumer might be that transformer thats
munches cars at the monster truck events....
HTH,
Tim
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| 40.596 | That's a definite maybe! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 10 1992 17:36 | 23 |
|
>> Carolski, do you really believe "scared" Jay can take the Raiders,
>> to the Big One and Win??? If so explain.
Welp Drewp, it's like this see. Two years ago wrong way Jay took the
Raiders to within one game of the Super Bowl, and even though they got
embarrassed by Buffalo, it wasn't all 'scared Jay's' fault. The defense
didn't have a clue, Bo was injured the game before against the Bengals,
and 'scared Jay' and co. also had a bad day. So, to answer your
questions, yes I think he can get them there, and yes, if the rest of
the team (running game, receivers, defense, special teams etc...)
do there part, I believe Jay can do his part to win it. The problem
with Schroeder (as you mentioned : 'scared Jay') is that when the
pressure is on (like, for instance, lack of running game which tells
the other team that you basically have to pass) Jay chokes, or gets
'scared'. But, when you have the balance between the running and
passing game, Schroeder is very effective....witness his '90 season,
and his years with Washington.
Carloski
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| 40.597 | AFC WEST TEAMS NEED MORE " O " | CSC32::LATOUR | DO WHAT YOU SAY | Mon Aug 10 1992 18:19 | 11 |
| I have to give to it you carloski, you seem to be a realist about your
QB situation, But I still Think when comes to winning the big one the
QB will be the focus and regardless of how good or bad the team is
playing he's the one player that can cause total defeat of the team.
This should be the year of parity in the AFC West. A lot of changes at
QB and the suprise team might be KC if Offense Shows up. That seems to
be a common Problem with all The AFC West Team.
(ps. Sorry for miss printing your Name Carloski).
Drewski
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| 40.598 | Re. Schroeder & the bowl | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 10 1992 18:48 | 5 |
| Drewski, it's all irrelevent anyhow, seeing as how Marinovich will be
the one getting 'em to the bowl. :*}
Carlos
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| 40.599 | CAN YOU SAY TOUCHDOWN! | CSC32::LATOUR | DO WHAT YOU SAY | Mon Aug 10 1992 19:01 | 6 |
|
Can anyone address the Problem(s) with the AFC West Teams that seem
to be unable to produce points like say the 9'ers, skins,bills, oilers
when there on target.
Drewski
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| 40.600 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Aug 10 1992 19:05 | 1 |
| Drewski returns from over a year of RONing...film at 10.
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| 40.601 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Aug 13 1992 11:46 | 8 |
| Marcus Allen, and Terry McDaniel, have both signed new contracts
leaving four unsigned vets. Also, Elvis Patterson has been re-instated
after body slamming a coach that gave him a direct order which refused
to do. Where do they get this sort of rebelious attitude from
anyhow....?
car-low-s
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| 40.602 | ex | QUASER::HUNTER | A Horse Is A Horse Of Course Of Course | Thu Aug 13 1992 15:13 | 7 |
|
Good, I mean about Patterson... I makes me feel good to have the
him on the Faiders team. Always a garranteed toast with Elvis out
there.
BG
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| 40.603 | Raiders undefeated after week #1 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Aug 13 1992 16:35 | 11 |
| Big-Shame.....is that you....I didn't think you'd show this year seeing
as how the donks have the cellar on reserves....Oh well, at least I
won't have to listen to your ramblings much longer, I figure this topic
oughtta be alot quieter after the Raiders shame the donks in week #1.
About Elvis, he ain't 'toast' no more, now he goes by 'The King'(of
special teams, that is).
Carlitos
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| 40.604 | Tim Brown signs | TIGEMS::MCNEIL | | Fri Aug 14 1992 10:14 | 6 |
| I heard that Tim Brown signed and is in Camp today.
Dave
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| 40.605 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Aug 14 1992 10:47 | 6 |
| You beat me to it Dave, yup T Brown signed and the offense is complete,
now they're just missing three key defensive players: G Townsend,
S Davis, and W Moss.
Carlitos
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| 40.606 | Donks still = 0-1 after week #1 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 17 1992 15:46 | 33 |
| 1) The Raiders are now 0-2.
2) The Raiders will be winning to the big game, much to everybodies
surprise, but my own! :-)
3) If your a Raider fan, expect a different look from them on offense,
than what you've seen the last couple of years. As can be seen by
what they've been doing so far in pre-season, they will be airing
the ball out much more this year.
4) The defense has yet to impress, although they are missing some very
key performers.
5) Dickerson has also yet to impress. He carried the ball five times
this weekend (against his former, former team) for a grand total
of one yard, that averages to about 2.5" per carry, I should also
mention that Eric was able to double his yardage on one reception.
6) The emphasis definitely seems to be on the aerial assault though,
as I mentioned before. They gained 299 yards, completing 23-47-1
by air, compared to 12 yards in 14 trys on the ground.
7) The final score against the Rams resulted in a 19-16 O.T. loss for
the Raiders. The Rams averaged about 4.7 yards per rush against the
Raiders, and gained 170 yards on the ground, and 240 by air.
Once Greg Townsend, Scott Davis, and Winston Moss sign though, we
should see a significant improvement on defense.
8) Did I already mention that the Raiders were going to be this years
SuperBowl Champs...?
Carlos
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| 40.607 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Mon Aug 17 1992 16:21 | 7 |
| 14 runs for 12 yards! I thought the faids were going to be great at
running the ball? Granted 14 tries isn't alot, but 12 yards? Thats
simply outstanding!;^)
SB champs?
Tim
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| 40.608 | nuthin to worry about yet!! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 17 1992 18:33 | 23 |
| >> 14 runs for 12 yards! I thought the faids were going to be great at
>> running the ball? Granted 14 tries isn't alot, but 12 yards?
I know what'cha mean Tim, that's not the kind of yardage I'd expect to
see even if they only did try it 14 times. Either the Rams run defense
is great or the Raiders running game needs help...and it's probably the
latter. Although, Marcus Allen still hasn't played one down. I don't
know what Nick Bell, or Eric Dickerson's problems are? Like I said
before Dickerson averaged a very, very weak two and a half inches per
carry, and Nick Bell was averaging less than two yards per carry. I
think it's still to early to push the panick button though, seeing as
how it's only the second game of pre-season, and they haven't really
even tried to establish a running attack in either game. I think these
next two pre-season games will be a much better indicator of how the
team (and all the other teams for that matter) is/are going to do. The
first couple of weeks are spent on evaluating new talent, and maybe
trying out some new things, but the last two (especially the last one)
the coaches have a little better idea of who they'll be keeping and
stuff like that. I think this week sometime all teams have to cut their
rosters down to 60, and then again next week down to the final cut
(I think 44) ? Does this sound right to anybody else?
Carloski
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| 40.609 | | TORREY::MAY_BR | Inside Intel | Mon Aug 17 1992 18:38 | 5 |
|
Bad news for ya....last year, the Rams run D was pathetic.
Brews
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| 40.610 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 19 1992 12:33 | 13 |
| Hmmm....In an article in yesterday's USA Today, Gordon Forbes
interviewed 'HoF Al' on the topic of E. Dickerson and his production
thus far. Ain't that a coincidence? Do you think Forbes might have
access to DEC Notesfiles....? Nahhhhh........
Anyhow, Uncle Al says that he's not at all worried about Dickerson,
and that he's sure he'll do excellent for the Raiders. Furthermore
he says that they'll get everything they want from him. Howie Long also
threw in his 2�, adding that Eric still has alot left, and that just
having Dickerson in the backfield adds another thing to worry about for
opposing teams.
Carlos
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| 40.611 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Aug 19 1992 12:40 | 4 |
| � having Dickerson in the backfield adds another thing to worry about for
� opposing teams.
Yeah, like who's going to get creditted with the fumble recovery. ;^}
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| 40.612 | Good one, Mac | SHALOT::HUNT | Sing Do Wah Diddy | Wed Aug 19 1992 13:00 | 5 |
| � Yeah, like who's going to get creditted with the fumble recovery. ;^}
Rollward.
Bob Hunt
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| 40.613 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 19 1992 14:23 | 9 |
| >> Yeah, like who's going to get creditted with the fumble recovery.
>> -< Good one, Mac >-
Yeah, that was a pretty good one, although I don't think Uncle Al would
appreciate it. :-)
Curly Toes
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| 40.614 | TS if he appreciates it or not, it was hilarious | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Aug 19 1992 15:36 | 4 |
| > although I don't think Uncle Al would
> appreciate it. :-)
And who really cares what Uncle Al thinks.
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| 40.615 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 19 1992 16:12 | 11 |
| >> And who really cares what Uncle Al thinks.
Ok now, Joe, this is starting to get outta line. You can talk about my
wife and kids, but once you start bad mouthing 'HoF Al', I'm afraid
that's where I'm going to have to draw the line! Now I don't really
want to have to do it, but one more outburst like this and I'm gonna
have to turn you in to the moderators, got it!
Curly Toes
P.S. Many :-)
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| 40.616 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Aug 21 1992 12:38 | 12 |
| Seems like future SuperBowl champion, Todd Marinovich, missed a couple
of practice's earlier this week due to soreness in his shoulder, but he
should be ok by now, and he also should see some playing time tommorrow
against the 'Skins. Wonder if it will be telervized nationally?
Also, still no good news about the three unsigned defensive vets, which
means they'll probably be able to maintain their perfect record........
...0-3....:-)
Carlos
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| 40.617 | Lookin good! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 24 1992 11:20 | 18 |
| �Also, still no good news about the three unsigned defensive vets,
�which means they'll probably be able to maintain their perfect record
�......0-3....:-)
Well, they were able to keep there perfect record going, but it wasn't
because of missing (and needed) defensive players like I thought it
would be. Instead, it was 'cause of wrong way Jay giving up two inty's
for TD's at the end of the first quarter, on consecutive plays, to the
same guy (Mayhew). The only difference was the side of the field. If
not for this, the Raiders would have easily defeated the 'Skins. The
Raiders had close to 140 yds. rushing, and 240 yds. passing compared to
the 'Skins who had about 60 yds rushing and 70 yds. passing. Dickerson
is for real! He got the ball 20 times for 93 yds. That's almost 5 yds
per carry. Nick Bell also did well, as did Marinovich. If I'm Shell, I
give the #1 spot to T.M.. One more week of pre-season, and then it's
for keeps.
Carlos
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| 40.618 | Waived.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Aug 25 1992 11:13 | 7 |
| So far, the Raiders have waived: Terrance Flagler, & Vance Mueller
RB's, Niko Noga, & Matt Gee LB's, Tom Roth OL, John Diggs & Leon
McGlokton (Chesters bro) DB's, and Scott Woods QB. The only one that
really surprises me is Niko Noga, somehow I figured that he'd make the
team....
Carlos
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| 40.619 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Aug 26 1992 12:52 | 35 |
| Others waived:
Alberto White, LB
Mike Alexander & Stacey Simmons, WR's
Malcolm Showell, DL
Placed on the reserve-did not report list:
Greg Townsend & Scott Davis, DL Ouch! Does this mean that they
won't be able to play for a certain
amount of time even if they do
reach an agreement????
Placed on IR:
James Fitzpatrick & Tony Rowell, OL
Brent Fullwood, RB
Walter Watts, DL
Placed on reserve-non-football injury list:
Dennis Johnson, DB
Also, former Raider DL, Mike Wise, committed suicide last week. Wise
left the Raiders last year and went to the Browns (not sure if it was
through Plan 'B' or a trade?) where he was cut. :-(
11 year vet Howie Long has nothing but praise for first round draft
pick Chester McGlokton. "This guy is gonna be a stud" Howie says, and
the last person Howie said would be a stud was Bo Jackson, so I guess
he wonk's what he's talking about.
Carlitos G. Griegowitz III
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| 40.620 | This year belongs to the Raiders! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Aug 27 1992 11:46 | 8 |
| Winston Moss signed a contract......so we're just down to two, Scott
Davis, and Greg Townsend. If they don't sign, I'd expect Anthony Smith
to move into one of their position's, and possibly Nolan Harrison, or
Chester McGlokton in at the other position. We won't lose a step with
Anthony Smith in there, but I'm not too sure about the other two guys.
Carlos
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| 40.621 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Aug 28 1992 12:21 | 11 |
| The Raiders signed WR, Stacey Simmons, after waiving him earlier this
week...?
Also, during the last couple of years the Raiders have had a difficult
time containing Houston's run-and-shoot, and it'll probably continue
this weekend, so the Raiders will probably lose their last pre-season
game and be 0-4.......I wonder if they've ever gone without a win in
the pre-season????
Carlos
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| 40.622 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Fri Aug 28 1992 15:55 | 6 |
| Don't quote me on this Carlos, but I think the last time
they went winless in pre-season they won the bowl against the
Skins. 1981 or 82? John H would know that. Where's he been
anyway?
BoB
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| 40.623 | | FSHQA2::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Fri Aug 28 1992 16:27 | 7 |
| I've been around. I don't have preseason records handy for each team
so I won't be able to help. Sorry.
The Raiders won the 1984 Super Bowl against the Skins so they'd have
had to have gone winless in the 1983 preseason.
John
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| 40.624 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Aug 28 1992 17:46 | 6 |
| There you have it! According to BoB, the Raiders are going all the way
this year.....:-) ....if they lose tommorrow that is. Still time for
JoJ to jump on the bandwagon. (is he still around, it's hard to keep
track nowadays?)
Carlos
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| 40.625 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Aug 31 1992 16:13 | 7 |
| Well I didn't really think the Raiders were gonna beat the Oilers this
weekend, but they did. No biggy though, being pre-season and all.
Still Marinovich played well, as did Schroeder who will more than
likely remain the #1 QB. Nick Bell also played very good. Next week
it's for real, and the Raiders are gonna bust some bronc's.
Carlitos
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| 40.626 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Mon Aug 31 1992 18:50 | 8 |
| Jay is the starter according to Shell.
With Jay in and Atwater out, that is 1-2 less int's that Jay would
have thrown!
It looks like the faids found a running game the last 2 weeks FWIW
Tim
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| 40.627 | Raiders over donks by +10 | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Sep 01 1992 10:50 | 20 |
| The Raiders waived:
Vince Evans & Anthony Dilweg, QB's (guess they're only gonna go with
two QB's....?)
Tom Benson, LB (expect Aaron Wallace to replace him)
Ron Brown, Daryl Hobbs, & Tyrone Montgomery, WR's
Napoleon McCallum & Kevin Smith, FB's
Rory Graves, Joel Patten, Josh Taotoai, & Rich Stephens, OL
Doug Reed, Ferric Collons, & A.J. Jimmerson, DL
Curtis Cotton & Robert McWright, DB's
Carlos
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| 40.628 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Sep 02 1992 12:22 | 20 |
| Well, Sunday's the big day. The Raiders open up their season with two
road games, (against the beloved donks, and then against the bengals)
before going home to face the browns. If pre-season is any indicator,
then their offense is doing pretty good, the passing game has been
averaging about 250 yards/game, and the running game really took off
for the lasted two pre-season games. They gained more than 130 yards in
each of the last two games. I expect they'll do well against the doinks
on offense if shredder can keep the inty's down; the absence of Atwater
should make things nicer for the Raiders both on passing and receiving.
On defense however, the absence's of Greg Townsend and Scott Davis
should at least return the favor for Bucky and the donks. Again, if
pre-season is any indicator, than the donks are in trouble. Neither the
passing or running has been very impressive, and the injuries are
starting to add up. The outlook for this game has yet another 'W' for
the Raiders written all over it, although I'm sure the doinks will
make it interesting. Should be one of the better games this weekend.
Expect Eric Dickerson & Nick Bell to steal the show.
Carlitowitz
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| 40.629 | BLITZ Jay please ? | OURGNG::RIGGEN | T Maddox, J Namath, J Elway... | Wed Sep 02 1992 14:33 | 10 |
| The hope and dreams of a Donk season are this Sunday night.
Seems that this team is still in Berlin looking for Karl Mecklenburg's
relatives.
Without Scott Davis and Greg Townsend Denver stands a chance if they run the
ball up the gut all day long and don't even think of a John Elway pass play.
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| 40.630 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Sep 02 1992 17:45 | 16 |
| >> "T Maddox, J Namath, J Elway..."
Don't tell me they got the kid wearing pantyhose already!
>> Without Scott Davis and Greg Townsend Denver stands a chance
>> if they run the ball ........
I wouldn't be to sure about that, Anthony Smith will probably be
filling in for either Davis or Townsend, and I expect Nolan Harrison
will probably share some time with McGlokton at the other spot. Smith
was a #1 draft pick two years ago, but spent his first year on IR, so
lasted year was pretty much his rookie season and he came in only
behind Townsend in the sacks department with 10.5 and he wasn't even a
starter. Scott Davis' long arms will be missed though.
Carlos
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| 40.631 | Not Worth a title | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Sep 02 1992 18:19 | 15 |
| got tickets to the game... Look for me on TV... I'll be the one
Totally Blasted on Coors because;
a) The Donks are kicking the ^%&&^* out of the faiders
or...
b) The Donks are getting the ^&*%^& kicked out of them by the Faiders
Either way i'll be havin a great time.. I have low expectations
for the Donks this year... Dan Reeves is a worthless Tom landry
look-a-like bozo.
BG
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| 40.632 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Bald Head=Solar Panel 4 a Sex Machine | Wed Sep 02 1992 18:22 | 11 |
|
>>Totally Blasted on Coors because;
You drinking that over-rated Rocky Mountain Moose pi$$, eh????
Why not switch to some REAL beer??
Inquiring minds and all that
JaKe
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| 40.633 | and its RMTPW! | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Wed Sep 02 1992 19:13 | 8 |
| RE-real beer...
You mean imported beer?
UYIM!
Tim
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| 40.634 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Bald Head=Solar Panel 4 a Sex Machine | Wed Sep 02 1992 20:05 | 19 |
|
>> RE-real beer...
>> You mean imported beer?
Nah, not imported, just get some Penn Pilsner, brewed here in
Pittsburgh at a micro-brewery, and sit back and enjoy. One of the best
beers around, IMHO.
>> -< and its RMTPW! >-
>> UYIM!
OK, what do these stand for?????
JaKe
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| 40.635 | Micro-brews red beers are good IMO | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Thu Sep 03 1992 14:11 | 10 |
| UYIM = Better not say this one in this "public" forum.
RMTPW = Rocky Mtn pi$$ water = Coors, which I normally don't drink
unless its free. Coors winterfest beer is good, but @$6.25 a 6pack, I
don't drink it to often. For those prices, I will drink Hieneken
(sp?)...
HTH
Tim
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| 40.636 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 03 1992 18:00 | 9 |
| ........meanwhile back at the ranch, looks like McGlokton is gonna miss
the first game because of a foot injury. And with Townsend and Davis
still unsigned, the only guy left is Nolan Harrison. If any of the
defensive linemen get hurt the faids are in trouble. The improvements
at linebacker should help this situation out.
Raiders by +10
Carlos
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| 40.637 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Thu Sep 03 1992 18:01 | 1 |
| by 10? You know these games are usually decided by <7 points....
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| 40.638 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Sep 03 1992 19:19 | 4 |
| Tim, you should know better than to try and reason with Carlos.
:^)
Joe
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| 40.639 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Fri Sep 04 1992 08:50 | 3 |
| Whatever happened to the Townsend to Houston for Sean Jones rumor?
Nothing I take it?
Denny
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| 40.640 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Sep 04 1992 10:16 | 27 |
| >> Whatever happened to the Townsend to Houston for Sean Jones rumor?
I remember hearing that on ESPN a couple of nights ago, but I think
last night ESPN reported that Jones had been traded to somebody else ?
Here's an interesting little article that's reprinted W/O permission:
Finally Al Davis is in the HoF and former top draft pick Aundray Bruce
is where he wants to be. "Just having an opportunity to play on a team
that is traditionally excellent. Going to the Falcons was not the best place
that I could have gone. I am just happy that I've got the opportunity
to play for who I wanted to play for when I came out of college. It's
like a dream come true, because when I was at Atlanta things were down,
I didn't perform and I didn't want to be there, and now that the tables
have turned, I feel like a new person," said Bruce. Bruce has been
everything the Raiders expected and more. He is a tremendous pass
rusher and also has the speed to be a demon on special teams as well.
Against the Redskins, Bruce saved a touchdown by tackling the Redskins
kick-off returner from behind. Says Bruce, "I can't wait for our
opener. Denver is in a lot of trouble."
I love that last line.
Carlos
P.S. For the sake of not being unreasonable, Raiders by +9.5
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| 40.641 | Did I say +9.5? Make it +9.75... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Sep 04 1992 10:36 | 19 |
| Here's the way I believe the Raiders will line up against the donks:
Donk Offense Raider Defense
_____________________________________________________________________
|
Derek Russell WR | RCB Lionel Washington
Jeff Davidson LT | RLB Anthony Bell
G.Green RB Sean Farrell LG | RE Aundray Bruce
Bucky QB Keith Kartz C | RT Anthony Smith FS E. Anderson
Perryman RB Doug Widell RG | MLB Riki Ellison
Ken Lanier RT | LT Bob Golic SS R. Lott
Clarence Kay TE | LE Howie Long
| LLB Aaron Wallace
Mark Jackson WR | LCB Terry McDaniel
HtH, Carlos (if I get a chance later, I'll put in the Raider 'O', &
donk 'D'.)
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| 40.642 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Fri Sep 04 1992 11:28 | 5 |
| Sean Farrell is out, Davidson is at LG and Freeman at LT. I'm not
sure if Kartz is back yet? If so, maybe the other Widell will start
at LG instead of Davidson.
Tim
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| 40.643 | | GENRAL::WADE | Wisdom Toofless! | Fri Sep 04 1992 15:14 | 4 |
|
Nope. One of the Widell brothers will start for Kartz.
Claybone
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| 40.644 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Sep 04 1992 15:54 | 23 |
| Re -1, proberly Dave. Here's the other side of the lineup, and it might
be a little off too.:
Raider Offense Donkey Defense
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
Willie Gault WR | RCB Wymon Henderson
|
Bruce Wilkerson LT | ROLB Simon Fletcher
S. Smith FB Steve Wisniewski LG | RE Kenny Walker SS Dennis Smith
Shredder QB Don Mosebar C | RILB Karl Mecklenburg
Eric D. RB Max Montoya RG | NT Greg Kragen
Steve Wright RT | LILB Michael Brooks
Ethan Horton TE | LE Brian Sochia FS A. Montgomery
| LOLB Mike Croel
Mervyn Fernandez WR | LCB Tyrone Braxton
I'm not to sure, but I think Kragen might be out, and I don't know
who'd replace him if he is.
Carlos
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| 40.645 | Put Marinovich in! | TIGEMS::MCNEIL | | Tue Sep 08 1992 10:07 | 15 |
|
Great game on Sunday night...Donks win 17-13. I couldn't believe
that the Raiders D couldn't hold them on that final drive, and
then Schroeder fumbles as the silver and black tries to
come back...
I think Marinovich will be starting this weekend. I also think
that the Raiders need to get Tim Brown the ball more. Gault
is always double teamed and Schroeder still tries to throw it
too him, while Brown has man coverage and it open quite often.
I think Dickerson will be a big asset for the Raiders this year!
Dave
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| 40.646 | | GENRAL::WADE | Wisdom Toofless! | Tue Sep 08 1992 10:32 | 7 |
|
I think they oughta cut Eric loose. Maybe it's just me but
it seems like he fumbles at least once per game. The Raiders
would be better off going with Nick Bell IMHO.
Claybone
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| 40.647 | One mini-platter of crow please. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Sep 08 1992 12:01 | 20 |
| Well, here it is the first workday after the season opener and I'm
already munching down on black-bird pie! I agree with .645, it's time
for Marinovich. I think the last comment by one of the TNT commentators
hit the nail on the head, it went something like "The difference
between these two teams is that one of them has a QB that can come from
behind when the pressure is on." . I guess that basically, I'm finally
convinced about what you guys have been trying to tell me all along-
Shredder sips! The offensive co-ordinator (Terry Robiskie) needs to go
too. Give me a break, I mean, even the donks with their limited mental
capacities, are gonna eventually figure out (with Robiskie's game plan)
that if the faids are in the I formation, that they're gonna give it to
Dickerson 9 times outta ten. How about a little play-action in there to
keep them guessing? Even still, the good news is that the running game
looks solid, as does the defense which played without three of there
leading defensive linemen (by the way, Townsend signed and should be
playing hopefully next weekend against the bengals). The Donks looked
weak (especially in the 1st half) excepting those last few minutes,
when it counted. Congrats!
Crowlos
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| 40.648 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Mon Sep 14 1992 19:56 | 1 |
| Is it vacation time for Carlos?
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| 40.649 | | CAMONE::WAY | Feed My Frankenstein | Tue Sep 15 1992 09:46 | 7 |
| As some of my English friends would say (regarding the Raiders defeat)
Un-LUCK-y....
'Saw
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| 40.650 | THERE FAIDING AWAY | AYOV14::ATHOMSON | | Tue Sep 15 1992 10:43 | 4 |
| No wrong as Scotlands number 1 MIGHTY BENGALS fan would say tough S--T
TIGERS TAME THE FAIDERS
HA HA HA
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| 40.651 | CarlosWatch, Day 2... | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-2! | Tue Sep 15 1992 16:15 | 1 |
|
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| 40.652 | If only it wasn't for the final score we'd be 2-0! | TULA::CGRIEGO | | Tue Sep 15 1992 17:55 | 30 |
| >> TIGERS TAME THE FAIDERS
Right....What do you Scotish guys know 'bout football anyhow? :-)
(By the way, do you know Donald Johnstone, or Derrick something or
other, if so tell them Carlos says 'ello')
0-2! 0-2! Why, the faids haven't been 0-2 since before I was born.
(well...right around that time anyhow, it's been 28 years since
they started out at 0-2) The worst part about the Bengal loss is that
it wasn't even Shredders fault this time. He actually had a good day,
passing for almost 400 yards, 2tds, and only 1 inty. The running game
did alright, they averaged ~4.5 yards/carry, even though they didn't use
it as much as they should have. Looks like the defense had a rough time
stopping the rush though? I understand that the faids had the momentum,
they came back and tied it up at 21 forcing the game into overtime,
then they won the toss, only to have the kick returner, Dan Land, cough
it up in Bengal field goal range, and basically give the game away.
Another tough heart breaking loss, if they keep this up they'll be the
best bunch of losers out there. Still, there's lots of hope left.
There's still 14 games left, and they could have very very easily have
been 2-0 right now....
Hopefully they'll be able to get by Cleaveland and boost their morale a
little, 'cause after that, they've got three tough games coming up. One
against the Chiefs in KC on Monday night, and then two at home against
the Giants and Bills.
Carlos
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| 40.653 | | GENRAL::WADE | Wisdom Toofless! | Tue Sep 15 1992 18:27 | 4 |
|
The Raiders..........the best 0-2 team in da league! :*)
Claybone
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| 40.654 | Baby Snake | ROYALT::FORGET | LA Raiders #1 | Wed Sep 16 1992 08:26 | 7 |
|
Well Listen up Raider's Fans. Young Todd will start against the
Browns. I for one is very happy.
Mike
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| 40.655 | Come on Al, give him a few more chances... | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-2! | Wed Sep 16 1992 12:00 | 4 |
| Damm! I was hoping the Faiders wouldn't wake up and smell the coffee
and keep playing Schroeder awhile longer.
Joe
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| 40.656 | Browns will be charmed by the Snake_not! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Sep 16 1992 12:43 | 21 |
| Hey Mike, that's great news, I think it shoulda happened half way
thru the donk game though, but better late than never. Expect mistakes
from him as he'll be getting some valuable OJT, but don't expect his
mistakes to be ala-Shredder (the worst possible mistakes at the worst
possible time). Shredder changed his number from #13 to #10, but he's
still unlucky. ESPN reperted that the Raiders (Uncle Al) are stepping
up their efforts to trade Marcus Allen, after Allen confronted Davis
after the donk game and said something to the effect of he's not gonna
put his career on the line if Davis insists on keeping Shredder in
there, and that Davis' Committment to Excellence is meaningless while
Jay's in there. (very loose and probably not that accurate para-phrase
by yours truly) Of course, these words struck right to the heart of Al
Davis' very being, but now that I hear Marinovich is starting, I wonder
if some of what Allen told Davis actually sunk in? In any case, I think
the Raiders would be foolish to trade Allen, going down the stretch he
could be their ace in the hole. Dickerson is 31 or 32 years old and not
getting any younger, and Nick Bell spent half of last season injured. I
say keep Allen and trade Shredder.
Carlos
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| 40.657 | HELP!!!!!!! | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Wed Sep 16 1992 13:46 | 9 |
| Schroeder can't be blamed for the Bengals game. Like the end of last
year, the D can't stop the run!!!! ,Chester, we need you!!!!! Howie
just can't seem to make the plays. Ellison S@#KS!! Now that I've got
that off my chest, I'm glad to see Marinovich get a chance. I would
also like to see Anthony Smith start in Howies spot. Anthony Bell
looked pretty good at LB also. They must start Tim Brown and get
Fernandez out of there. This loss was a KILLER!!!
Kenn
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| 40.658 | Brown will start | TIGEMS::MCNEIL | | Thu Sep 17 1992 10:13 | 8 |
|
re: -.1
I saw on ESPN this morning that they will start Tim Brown
over Fernandez this weekend. I'm glad to see Tim finally
playing like I always knew he could.
Dave
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| 40.659 | Dickerson | ROULET::WHITEHAIR | | Thu Sep 17 1992 11:12 | 4 |
|
How about some stats on Dickerson this year... Has he been playing
much this year? Why hasn't he gotten any TD's yet? Who is the Raiders
goto man in the Red zone?
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| 40.660 | Jay's outta there | BSS::NEUZIL | Just call me Fred | Thu Sep 17 1992 11:33 | 7 |
|
Heard on the radio this morning that Jay is being benched and will
be replaced by Todd for this week's game against ???
Kevin
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| 40.661 | | JARETH::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Thu Sep 17 1992 11:35 | 4 |
| >this week's game against ???
Cleveland
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| 40.662 | In the commitment to winning I'd send Allen packing first... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Sep 17 1992 11:47 | 8 |
|
What was this business about Marcus Allen claiming that Al Davis is no
longer committed to winning because he continued to start Jay
Schroeder? Talk about sticking a knife into a teammate's back. I
thought Allen had more class than that...
glenn
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| 40.663 | You coulda heard it here first | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Sep 17 1992 11:58 | 4 |
| � Heard on the radio this morning that Jay is being benched and will
� be replaced by Todd for this week's game against ???
SPORTS scoops the local news!!!
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| 40.664 | | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Thu Sep 17 1992 12:08 | 12 |
| The Raiders don't seem to have a go to guy in the red zone. They go
with whoever is hot. They have 2 rushing TD's this year, 1 by Nick Bell
and the other by Marcus Allen. Dickerson carried the ball (I believe)
22 times for 58 yds. against Denver and 6 for 10 yds. against Cinci..
He had 1 fumble against Denver.
I don't think that it is a coincidence that Tim Brown is starting the
same week they insert Marinovich into the lineup!! I like both moves
except for the fact that they are 2 weeks late!! Now I would like to
see them give Nick Bell the ball more often.
Kenn
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| 40.665 | Bench da Bum! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 17 1992 16:22 | 19 |
| >> -< In the commitment to winning I'd send Allen packing first... >-
No way! Whenever they've been in a bind and have called upon Allen,
he's always come up big, but just the opposite is true of Shredder,
matter o fack, probably every time they're in a bind it's because of
Shredder. I'd guess that Allen's comments were made out of shear
frustration, I mean, how many times can they (the Raiders) handle going
out and totally dominating opposing teams (ala Denver), only to have
their QB give it away? In the donk game the Raiders had about three or
so drives where they were just marching down the field with almost no
resistance, the only problem being that every time they'd get within
striking distance of a TD, old Shredder would give the donks a present.
The donks had ~19 yards of total offense in the first, compared to the
Raiders who had something like 200 - 250 yards, but yet they only
walked in to the lockers with a 3 point lead. And the worst part about
it, is that we've seen this exact scenario over and over.
Carlos
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| 40.666 | Art Shell is playing a very foolish game | OURGNG::RIGGEN | T Maddox, J Namath, J Elway... | Thu Sep 17 1992 18:07 | 7 |
| This week against Cleveland is a win for the Faids. With Jay or with Todd.
There is no way that the Brown spots can stop the raider running game. I expect
Dickerson, and Bell to have 100 yrd games. This is going to get the Faider fans
in a serious state of pompitude about Todd the Great.
Then in just a few weeks they will play Kansas City and Derrick Thomas will pull
a repeat performance on Todd aka wild card game last year.
Then the Faider fans will be begging free agency to pick up a real man for QB.
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| 40.667 | | DECWET::METZGER | Whhhat eeze it, maan? | Thu Sep 17 1992 18:12 | 10 |
|
The Raiders should dump dickerson and retain Bell as their #1 back. I can't
believe he only got 2 carries last game. Dickerson can get your 3-4 yards a
carry but I could get that much with the line push he was getting..Bell
would consistantly outgain Dickerson if Shell would just give him the ball
more often...
Plus he fumbles less...
Metz
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| 40.668 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | W I N D - It Blows | Fri Sep 18 1992 08:37 | 1 |
| What's the matter Metz, got Bell in a fantasy league? 8^)
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| 40.669 | Todd's got a lot to learn yet... | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey AND Melanie's dad | Fri Sep 18 1992 10:43 | 1 |
| 'member, this is really Todd's rookie season.
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| 40.670 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Sep 18 1992 11:36 | 21 |
| Bob, I agree, Todd does have lots to learn and both he and the Raiders
coaching staff are well aware of this. In the press conference earlier
this week, Shell and Marinovich both acknowledged that there would be
mistakes made by Todd, but Shell told TM that he felt that TM would be
making more positive things happen than negative ones. I think he'll do
better against the Chiefs this time around. In his first game against
the Chiefs lasted year, TM had a great day but unfortunately this was
also around the time that the Raider 'D' was falling apart, and they
couldn't stop the Chiefs. The second game (playoffs) TM didn't do as
well, but I think because he has these two high pressure games under
his belt, plus the benefit of another full training camp and extensive
pre-season play, that he will be better equipped to lead this team.
Sure he's going to make mistakes, probably even cost a few games, but
he'll also be making some great plays and winning even more.
Carlos
PS I also agree about giving Bell the ball more, I like the Dickerson
trade, but so far he hasn't really produced, I think Marcus and Bell
would be the best combo back there right now.
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| 40.671 | | ROYALT::ASHE | I think ya hear me knockin' | Fri Sep 18 1992 14:26 | 1 |
| This is his 2nd year, I thought...
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| 40.672 | | DECWET::METZGER | Whhhat eeze it, maan? | Fri Sep 18 1992 14:44 | 14 |
|
awww shuddup slasher...
Bell is the best back on the raiders but uncle Al is too worried about his
image as the reclaimer of oter people mistakes to realize that so he is
making Shell give dickerson the ball instead....
Oh Yeah...and Bo Jackson got death threats during that playoff game :-)
Think the raiders might pick up Keith Millard who was just axed by the chicken
hawks after giving up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him? (Seahawks are idiots)
Metz
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| 40.673 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey AND Melanie's dad | Fri Sep 18 1992 14:54 | 7 |
| re .651 (Walt)
It is Todd's second yera in the league, but he skipped his (important) senior
year in college. My point was that Raiders fans should have realistic
expectations, and that he should be expected to make rookie mistakes.
=Bob=
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| 40.674 | Every team has a bright prospect and a bright future... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 18 1992 15:04 | 12 |
|
Let's just tell it like it is: this is the NFL. Being the NFL and not
college, there's an 80% chance that Todd Marinovich is going to stink,
not this year but every year. This is not a can't-miss, highly touted
guy. For all we know Todd's "sometimes all I want is everyone to leave
me alone so I can paint" statement still stands. In other words, if
you have the chance to bet the house on the Raiders going to the Super
Bowl in the next five years, you might want to pass.
HTH,
glenn
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| 40.675 | I thought he went pro after his 2nd year at USC | JARETH::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Fri Sep 18 1992 15:11 | 6 |
| re .673:
Didn't Marinovich skip both his junior and senior years?
py
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| 40.676 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Fri Sep 18 1992 15:42 | 5 |
| Marinovich did turn pro after his 2nd year in college.
I think he's only 21 years old right now.
Carlos
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| 40.677 |
| GRANPA::DFAUST | With every wish,there comes a curse | Fri Sep 18 1992 18:53 | 12 |
| I caught some of a Raiders exhibition game on my dish, with Al
(somebody) a VP for the Raiders doing the color commentary. The play by
play guy, during a commercial break, was going over what they would
talk about when Marinovich went into the game. The Play by Play guy
wanted to talk about how mature Marinovich is, even though he left
school 2 yrs early. The Raider VP told him *directly* that under no
circimstances would they mention anything about Marinovich leaving
school early. They didn't, either. The key was how "mature" he was for
his age.
Dennis Faust
|
| 40.678 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Sat Sep 19 1992 11:33 | 5 |
| �I think he's only 21 years old right now.
Just to correct mineself, TM's 23.
Carlos
|
| 40.679 | | FSBIC::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Sep 21 1992 09:16 | 5 |
| re: .677
Al LoCasale
John
|
| 40.680 | 0-3 | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Sep 22 1992 15:33 | 5 |
| They loose the home opener. Schroeder did not start.
I didn't see or hear anything on this one. What happened?
That's probably what the Raiders are asking too.
BoB
|
| 40.681 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Sep 22 1992 15:39 | 11 |
|
> They loose the home opener. Schroeder did not start.
> I didn't see or hear anything on this one. What happened?
> That's probably what the Raiders are asking too.
From the looks of it Todd did a pretty good Schroeder imitation with
almost 400 yards passing in ~60 attempts but with 3 INTs and a couple
of fumbles...
glenn
|
| 40.682 | | MCIS2::DHAMEL | Flower child gone to seed | Tue Sep 22 1992 15:57 | 6 |
|
WARNING! WARNING! LOOSE/LOSE ALERT! VOCABULARY POLICE ARE TRACING
YOUR NOTE AT THIS VERY MOMENT!
Dickstah, the LOOSE/LOSE control officer
|
| 40.683 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Sep 22 1992 16:07 | 35 |
|
> They loose the home opener. Schroeder did not start.
> I didn't see or hear anything on this one. What happened?
> That's probably what the Raiders are asking too.
>> From the looks of it Todd did a pretty good Schroeder
>> imitation with almost 400 yards passing in ~60 attempts
>> but with 3 INTs and a couple of fumbles...
Well, yup, that kind of sums it up. The thing that killed the Raiders
this week is the same thing that's killed'em in the first two games,
turnovers. The Raiders have got to be the worst team in the league
right now as far as turnovers are concerned. They had 5 against the
donks, 4 last week (?), and 6 this week. If the Raiders can get this
under control they'll be tough to beat, but right now they're beating
themselves. I mean, it's not like they can only come up with ~80 yards
or so of total offense, unlike some other teams in the division :-),
So far I think in each of their games they've dominated the teams
they've played in most statistics except the W/L one and the turnover
one. They've outgained the opponents offenses by about 100 + yards per
game, led in time of possesion by about 10 minutes, and on and on....
but they're still coming away with a loss because of the turnovers.
Marinovich looked fairly good, but my biggest gripe is that he never
seemed to look for any of his other receivers, except the guy he was
throwing it to, all in all he performed pretty good though. I think he
had the best day of all the QB's this weekend, 395 yards. The defense
looked pretty good excepting those two break aways by Metcalf. Tim
Brown and Sam Graddy looked good, amazing what a half way decent QB can
do for receivers. If (and that's a big one) the faids can keep their
turnovers down to two or less, I predict they'll get their first win
against the Chiefs. Expect McGlokton to clog up the middle, causing a
brick wall effect for the 'Nightmare'.
Carlos
|
| 40.684 | Gee Dickstah, looks like all heck is gonna break lose! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | W I N D - It Blows | Tue Sep 22 1992 16:42 | 1 |
|
|
| 40.685 | | MCIS2::DHAMEL | Flower child gone to seed | Tue Sep 22 1992 17:14 | 22 |
|
Scotty: "But Captain, she's breakin' up! Our LOOSE/LOSE controller
canna du n'more! She's overloadin' now!"
Kirk: "What's the matter with these people? Surely there are Raiders
fans, or Browns fans, or even Bruins fans who know the
difference between Loose and Lose!"
Spock: "Highly unlikely, Captain."
Kirk: "Bones, what's happened to our chief LOOSE/LOSE officer?"
Bones: "He's dead, Jim."
Kirk: "Take over, then...that's an order!"
Bones: "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an English Teacher...."
Dickstah
|
| 40.686 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Tue Sep 22 1992 17:20 | 2 |
| Lou's?? Doesn't this belong in the ND note? Or Red Sox?
Denny
|
| 40.687 | Soon to be 0-4... | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-3! | Wed Sep 23 1992 10:39 | 13 |
| > I mean, it's not like they can only come up with ~80 yards
> or so of total offense, unlike some other teams in the division :-),
I hear what you're sayin', but it's not like Denver is can't come up with any
wins, unlike some other teams in the division.
> I think he
> had the best day of all the QB's this weekend, 395 yards.
Yea, but he threw 59 passes fer cryin' out loud!
Joe
|
| 40.688 | meaningless blather...... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Sep 23 1992 15:39 | 16 |
| Like I said in an earlier reply, if they can just get a handle on the
turnovers they'll be good to go. According to todays AFC stats in the
USA Today, the Raiders are dead last in the give/take, they've gotten 3
turnovers but have given away 13. However, they also happen to be tied
with Buffalo for the best offense in the AFC, and are ranked 4th on
defense. They go against the Chiefs (on MNF) who are tied with San
Diego for the #1 defense, on offense K.C. is ranked 8th, K.C. is also
the best in the AFC in the give/take department. One more thing about
todays stats, I just thought I'd mention that the donks have the worst
offense in the AFC (and probably the league) and the second to last
rated defense....thus far. Now whether all these stats mean anything or
not....who knows? But if they do, I guess you donkey fans better get
all your gloating in now, 'cause it ain't gonna lasted. :-)
Carlos
|
| 40.689 | YA FER GOTTED SOMEFIN
| CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | SoLetItBeWritten,SoLetItBeDone | Wed Sep 23 1992 17:21 | 6 |
| Yo Carlos another stat the Faids ain't keep losing is da final score.
HTH
The Rams might inhale, but at least they didn't lose to da Donks and da Stains.
|
| 40.690 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Sep 23 1992 18:16 | 15 |
| >>The Rams might inhale, but at least they didn't lose to da
>>Donks and da Stains.
Well gee, Einstein, maybe that's cuz they haven't played the donks or
stains.
>>Yo Carlos another stat the Faids ain't keep losing is da final score.
Yes....well, one more time, IF they can control their turnovers they
will win these games that they're pretty much giving away. The reason
that they are so terrible in the Wins/Losses stat, is because they are
so terrible in the turnovers stat.
Carlostein
|
| 40.691 | IF.... | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-3! | Wed Sep 23 1992 18:40 | 1 |
|
|
| 40.692 | long season | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Thu Sep 24 1992 10:04 | 1 |
| Put a "what" in front of that if and HP might hire you:^)
|
| 40.693 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 11:56 | 17 |
| � -< long season >-
Tim, is that meant for the doinks or the faids?
Here's an interesting article:
Donks orally inhale!
Oh well....at least when I first read it I thought it was interesting.
Now onto some real Raider news, DL holdout Greg Townsend was fined
$175,000 donuts for his holdout that ended two weeks ago, and the other
DL who is still holding out, Scott Davis, is presently contemplating
retirement. This would be a major bummer, as he is/was one of the up
and coming pro-bowl caliber players on this team.
Carloski
|
| 40.694 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Martina's half the man Jimmy C. is | Thu Sep 24 1992 13:13 | 10 |
|
>> Donks orally inhale!
And this from a guy whose team ain't won a game yet, about a team
that's 2-1. Granted, it's a weak 2-1, but 2-1 nevertheless.
(8^)*
JaKe
|
| 40.695 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 13:50 | 3 |
| What..?....Jake, you didn't find the article interesting, or what?
Carlos
|
| 40.696 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | SoLetItBeWritten,SoLetItBeDone | Thu Sep 24 1992 15:02 | 1 |
| If ther Rams had the Faids' schedule they'd be 2-1.
|
| 40.697 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 15:28 | 11 |
| Yeah...and if the faids were like da Rams their 0-3 would be
justified. C'mon Jesse, everybody knows there's only one real NFL team
in L.A., how long has it been since the Rams played in a post season
game, anyhow?
Carlos
By the way, is all this faider bashing due to some repressed feelings
of anguish caused by Dickerson being in L.A. again, but this time wif a
real team? :-)
|
| 40.698 | (8^)* | PFSVAX::JACOB | Not tonite, I've got a thumb-ache | Thu Sep 24 1992 15:38 | 11 |
| >>By the way, is all this faider bashing due to some repressed feelings
>>of anguish caused by Dickerson being in L.A. again, but this time wif a
>>real team? :-)
Dickerson is back with the Rams????
I thought he was with the Faiders now!!
JaKe
|
| 40.699 | Or does it hurt from suckling it? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 16:26 | 6 |
| � "Not tonite, I've got a thumb-ache"
You an the ol lady go hitch-hiking on hot friday nites jAkE?
I guess getting old isn't much to look forward to. :-)
Carlitos
|
| 40.700 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Not tonite, I've got a thumb-ache | Thu Sep 24 1992 16:44 | 11 |
| Carlos,
I been up here in school in Massachussetts for teh lasted 2 weeks.
Get the big picture????
Many (8^)*'s
JaKe
|
| 40.701 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 17:28 | 12 |
| Rollward Jakey, I can definitely relate, I was up there myself this
time lasted year.....and I never pitched so many tents in all my life
if'n you know what I mean. It got so bad that during the lasted couple
of weeks we were up there that, me, and the other tech that was with me
training on flamingoid were starting to give the techs and engineers a
hard time about it, telling 'em stuff like "Gee I wonder what you'd
look like in a leather mini-skirt?" and stuff. One of the engineers,
Leon Hesch, about peed his pants when my buddy told him he was starting
to look cute. Oh well, take lots of cold showers and stay away from
that pay-per-view. :-)
Carlosowitz
|
| 40.702 | For a good time call ...-.... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | And I'm bringing Bo and his big bad hip with me | Thu Sep 24 1992 17:31 | 6 |
|
Jake may I suggest Piedmont street in Worcester?????
Chap(PY)
|
| 40.703 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | George Bush, mental wimp | Thu Sep 24 1992 17:35 | 2 |
|
naw they closed Piedmont down....
|
| 40.704 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | SoLetItBeWritten,SoLetItBeDone | Thu Sep 24 1992 17:35 | 35 |
| >>Yeah...and if the faids were like da Rams their 0-3 would be
>>justified.
It is justified. Clearly Denver, Cincinnati, and Cleveland are much
better squads then the Faids. Unterwise they wouldna lost.
>>C'mon Jesse, everybody knows there's only one real NFL team
>>in L.A.,
Yup, good call on that one Carlos, the Rams are in Anaheim.
>>how long has it been since the Rams played in a post season
>>game, anyhow?
They were in the 1989 NFC Championchip Game. Got thrashed by 'Frisco.
>>By the way, is all this faider bashing due to some repressed feelings
>>of anguish caused by Dickerson being in L.A. again,
Way to go carnac! I''m real jealous about a has-been who'se really
ripping through defenses this year for an 0-3 team. Faids cain have
him.
>>but this time wif a real team? :-)
That smiley shows that you are kidding, I'd kid too if my favorite
team got beat by Cleveland and Denver, not to mention Cincinnati. Hows
that feel?
Jesse
|
| 40.705 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Sep 24 1992 18:10 | 7 |
| Well, Jesse, it's still way early in the season, and your awesome Rams
are one whole and complete game ahead of the faids, so I guess I just
gotta sit back and listen to you yap it up. But rest assured, when the
1992 season's all been said and done, the faids will have proven
themselves a better team than the Rams. HtH
Carlos
|
| 40.706 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Thu Sep 24 1992 18:55 | 7 |
| Bash the faids, not the Donks! I hope you still don't wear that
Rams jersey Jesse....
The long season will be for both teams Carlos, at least it will if
the pace stays the same.
Tim
|
| 40.707 | 0-2, 0-3, 0-4 oh my | CSC32::SALZER | | Fri Sep 25 1992 20:52 | 8 |
| Hey Carlos,
I wouldn't be flaunting the recent Raider playoff record
in front of the Ram faithfull either. Under their current
head coach they're 0-2 in playoff games. They were both
a couple of yawners too.
BoB
|
| 40.708 | Here comes the cavalry Carlos..... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | And I'm bringing Bo and his big bad hip with me | Sat Sep 26 1992 15:27 | 13 |
|
Hey Bob,
I believe they are 1-2 under there current coach in playoff
games
20-10 over Cincy 1990
Just making sure you got your facts straight.....
Chap(PY)
|
| 40.709 | Can't win when you give the other team the ball | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Sep 28 1992 11:03 | 3 |
| FWIW, before yesterday's games, the Raiders had as much offense as
Buffalo (as measured in yards). The take away/give away differential
is 14, however.
|
| 40.710 | Need more games to see how good their offense really is... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Sep 28 1992 11:11 | 14 |
|
> FWIW, before yesterday's games, the Raiders had as much offense as
> Buffalo (as measured in yards). The take away/give away differential
> is 14, however.
Interesting but deceiving stat. I'll bet Buffalo's efficiency is far
better. When you turn the ball over a lot, you shorten the field for
the other team, shortening their possessions and lengthening yours,
allowing you to run many more plays. Plus you fall behind and are
playing against soft defenses. That's how Todd Marinovich was able to
pass for an impressive 395 yards at a weak ~6.5 yards/attempt.
glenn
|
| 40.711 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | SoLetItBeWritten,SoLetItBeDone | Mon Sep 28 1992 13:47 | 1 |
| Yo Tim, I'm wearing the Ram Jersey today.
|
| 40.712 | Jets are a push over? | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Mon Sep 28 1992 16:12 | 3 |
| Has anyone spilled anything on it yet? ;^)
I heard they beat the AFC team of 1992.....
|
| 40.713 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Sep 29 1992 12:02 | 14 |
| Is it to early to start the "wait 'til nexted year" campaign?
I don't even think HALogic could've helped 'em win lasted nites game.
They did alright in the first half, but they really got their butts
handed to them in the second. The offense did about as well as you
could expect, with Marinovich starting only his 4th game in the NFL
(his 3rd, and 3rd loss, against the Chiefs). The defense fell apart in
the second half. The Chiefs just ran right over them. So much for
McGlokton clogging up the middle. He wasn't even a factor, matter o
fack I didn't see him in the game 'til about the last 5 minutes or so.
Oh well, maybe they'll be able to beat the Chargers???
Carlos
|
| 40.714 | | CAMONE::WAY | And monkies might fly outta my butt | Tue Sep 29 1992 12:49 | 16 |
| Saw some great footage/interviews with Ben Davidson last night
on one of those shows before MNF on ESPN.
Davidson was a monster when he played, and I guess Len Dawson interviewed
him. It was great.
My favorite part was Ahmad Rashaad telling how they were playing the
Raiders and they got off the bus in their shirts and ties and looked
overa the Raiders getting off theirs. Ahmad said that the Raiders looked
like a bunch of inmates from the Rahway State Prison!
I was rollward....
'SAw
|
| 40.715 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | NewEnglandPatriots-ItsGonnaTakeAlot | Tue Sep 29 1992 13:29 | 4 |
| Hey 'Saw did they show the game (1970?) when Davidson started
a fight that led the Raiders to win the game?
/Don
|
| 40.716 | | CAMONE::WAY | And monkies might fly outta my butt | Tue Sep 29 1992 13:49 | 7 |
| I don't know. I only had one eye on the TV, the other was on the newspaper.
I do remember them talking about Davidson giving Lenny Dawson an extra
little "stick". Could that be it?
'Saw
|
| 40.717 | real loser | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Tue Sep 29 1992 14:04 | 10 |
| Stat o' the night, courtesy ABC:
Eric Dickerson has loast 15 straight games, dating back to his "glory"
days at Indianapolis.
The Raiders outta do what the Colts did and suspend him and let him go
home. Lasted year, didn't the Colts win their only game - at the Jets? -
with Eric back home?
TTom
|
| 40.718 | | CUPMK::DEVLIN | Je voudrais boire quelque chose. | Tue Sep 29 1992 14:49 | 5 |
| Saw -
Did they show the clip of Davidson kicking Johnny Unitas in da tes-ti-cles?
JD
|
| 40.719 | Marinobitch sips...... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | And I'm bringing Bo and his big bad hip with me | Tue Sep 29 1992 15:06 | 5 |
|
Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason in Silver and Black...
Chap(PY)
|
| 40.720 | Snake my eye! | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Sep 29 1992 15:17 | 12 |
| Unbelievable. For the 1st time in probably the better part of 2 decades
I was pulling for the Raiders to win one. It felt really strange.
At the 1/2 I was yelling "PULL WHATSHISNAME. WE WANT JAY."
Al didn't listen. So what is it now? Dickerson maybe? No.
Can't buy that. His burst for 6 was the only real high light
of the game for them. This has the makings of a miserable year.
This team needs to start back at square 0ne and quit looking
around pointing fingers. It's time for the BS to take a hike.
BoB
(Who's always liked a couple Raiders but not many.)
|
| 40.721 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | NewEnglandPatriots-ItsGonnaTakeAlot | Tue Sep 29 1992 15:24 | 6 |
| The Raiders have never been the same since they left Oakland.
The days of Davidson, Wells, Stabler, etc are gone forever. The
NFL is to concerned with image to let a team like that exist ever
again. The Raiders are living off their past manly image.
/Don
|
| 40.722 | BTW, Raiders are 0-4... | BSS::JCOTANCH | Just Lose, Baby | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:12 | 13 |
| I can't believe what I heard Deirdorf (sp?) say last night. He was
talking about the Raiders being 0-3 and how miserable it is to be
playing on a winless team and how he was once on a team that started
out 0-8. He goes "Being on a football team that's 0-8 is like being a
baseball team that's winless at the All-Star break." You've gotta be
kidding, Dan! That is one of the absolute worst comparisons I have ever
heard. It's probably safe to say that it's *impossible* for a Major
League baseball team to be winless after some 80 games, but it seems
like you see an NFL team start out 0-8 every few years or so. I still
can't believe he said that.
Joe
|
| 40.723 | SLIMFAST side effects for Dan... | AKOCOA::PETERSON | Pearl Jam, Toe Jam...same thing | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:14 | 5 |
|
...Don't worry Joe,.....him saying that can be attributed to too much
SLIMFAST...
...Mel
|
| 40.724 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:15 | 3 |
| All Star break = � way through baseball season
8 games = � way through football season
|
| 40.725 | | SCHOOL::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:26 | 2 |
| I think that's understood Mac, but it's still a silly comparison.
Denny
|
| 40.726 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Jackie Sherrill won't STEER ya wrong. | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:28 | 7 |
| Yabbut Mac,
Dasticstickally you're correct.
Dierdorf could have used a better comparison, comparing 0-8 to
being officially eliminated by the All Star break. Same wavelength
MikeL
|
| 40.727 | It's a long shot, but it could happen | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:30 | 2 |
| Yabbut going 0-8 doesn't officially eliminate you from the NFL
playoffs. Look at last year's Jets who ended up at 8-8.
|
| 40.728 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Just Lose, Baby | Tue Sep 29 1992 17:44 | 3 |
| What Denny said.
Joe
|
| 40.729 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Sep 29 1992 19:43 | 5 |
| And where did these guys get the term 'smallish'?
So and so has smallish line backers. So and so is a smallish
qb.
BoB
|
| 40.730 | | WONDER::REILLY | Sean Reilly DTN 293-5983 | Tue Sep 29 1992 23:40 | 5 |
|
I can't believe any body still leaves the sound on for MNF. :^)
Seriously, those clowns make me miss Cosell.
|
| 40.731 | new label=straw grasping | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Tue Sep 29 1992 23:43 | 11 |
| Bob,
re: "where did these guys get the term 'smallish'"
Obviously from MikeL!
many -> ;^)
I remain,
vertically challenged but *NOT* smallish!
Kev
|
| 40.732 | | CAMONE::WAY | G�tterd�mmerung | Wed Sep 30 1992 10:28 | 1 |
| So what IS the worst record for a baseball team at the All-STar Break?
|
| 40.733 | Finished up at 54-107, bad almost beyond comprehension... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 30 1992 10:36 | 12 |
|
> So what IS the worst record for a baseball team at the All-STar Break?
The 1988 Baltimore Orioles were the worst All-Star break team in recent
memory, and probably the worst since early this century. They started
at 0-21, and had only won something like 20-25 games at the break.
That is much, much worse than going 0-8 in the NFL. But while I didn't
hear his comment, I suspect that Dierdork was only engaging in
hyperbole. Or was he really serious?
glenn
|
| 40.734 | | CAMONE::WAY | G�tterd�mmerung | Wed Sep 30 1992 10:38 | 13 |
| Thanks Glenn.
Dierdork and hyperbole.... Well, the man is no rocket scientist.
If this was IBM and I had to make the call, I'd signal:
Unintentional Hyperbole!
'Saw
|
| 40.735 | | AXIS::CHAPPEL | Calling Dr.Howard,Dr.Fine,Dr.Howard | Wed Sep 30 1992 11:14 | 8 |
| I saw a clip of ex-Patriot/current Raider Bob Golic on SportsCenter lasted
night. He was talking about the Raiders current run of bad fortune. But
what really struck me, was the way he talking, he sounded really &*#@'d up.
Like he was in a daze or something. I guess playing linebacker for the Pats
and linemen for the Raiders will do that to a guy. (And a few too many
whacks upside da haid too).
Chap
|
| 40.736 | 0-4= I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up!! | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Thu Oct 01 1992 06:35 | 14 |
| Terry Roebiski (sp?) was FINALLY replaced as offensive coordinator for
the Raiders last night, replaced by, I believe, Tom Walsh. With the
team being 0-4, They should throw in some young players to the lineup.
McGlocklen, Skrepnek, Nick Bell, and try Anthony Bell at MLB. Riki
Ellison doesn't cut it. How many times can you over pursue a running
play up the middle? Ellison did it all night. He followed Kreig after
the handoff on every play, except of course when Kreig kept the ball,
then he hit Word.
Aundrey Bruce should not be starting at DE, he should come in on 3rd
downs in passing situations as a rushing OLB. After a great week
against Denver, Anthony Smith has not seen much action, why???
Kenn
|
| 40.737 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Thu Oct 01 1992 12:00 | 21 |
| Great news Kenn, about Robiskie I mean. It is about time, matter o fack
it's way past time. Who's this Tom Walsh guy, any relation to Bill?
Robiskie's game plans were highly predictable, dull, and not very
effective. It was like: 1st down give it to Eric, 2nd down give it to
Eric, 3rd & usually +5 try to pass. I thought Mike White would have
been a good choice to replace Robiskie, but at this point even that
sixty year old water boy that's been with the faids forever could
probably do better. 0-6 is a very strong possibility, and I agree with
you that they should get the youngsters in there to get some valuable
experience, seeing as this years all but shot. Especially Marinovich,
he's screwing up, but he's also learning from those mistakes; take the
Monday nite game, he was getting pressure from all around and he tried
to make something out of nothing and threw the ball and hit a defender
right on the numbers.....a royal screw up.....but he learned, after
that he tucked the ball away and took the sack two or three different
times. Yup!, the faids are pulling a trick right out of the donks magic
hat, they'll have a high draft choice (if there is a draft), they'll
have a light schedule, and hopefully TM will have gained some valuable
experience....faids to the bowl in '93.
Carlos
|
| 40.738 | 0-8?????? | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Fri Oct 02 1992 06:28 | 12 |
| Carlos,
Walsh was an offensive assistant along with Robiskie. Thats
all I know about him. I agree that Marinovich will learn alot from
playing this year. However, I also fell as if they have as good of
chance to go 0-8 as 0-6. They have the Giants, Bills, Cowboys and the
Eagles in their next 4 games, OUCH! After watching 3 games this year,
we didn't get to see the Cleveland game, I can't believe they let KC
sign Joe Phillips NG form SD. Every team has been busting the ball
right up the gut on them, but they don't feel as if they need DL
help??? It's gonna be a long year, but what are you gonna do??
Kenn
|
| 40.739 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | SLAP> Wait, oh how sweet! | Fri Oct 02 1992 15:10 | 1 |
| Does anyone have the linescore for the Faids/Chiefs game?
|
| 40.740 | maybe | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Fri Oct 02 1992 15:18 | 14 |
| LA Raiders 0 7 0 0 - 7
Kansas City 0 10 0 17 - 27
Raiders' Score:
Dickerson, 40 run
Chiefs' Scores:
Krieg, 3 run (2nd)
Lowery, 22 FG (2nd)
Krieg, 7 run (4th)
Lowery, 41 FG (4th)
Mincy, 25 interception (4th)
TTom
|
| 40.741 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Oct 05 1992 12:40 | 32 |
| Well, well, well.........
My, my, my...............
Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.........
NFC East=0, Faids=1; The faids finally win one! And against a tough
Giants team. Simms is one of the best....tough as nails he is, Anthony
Smith gave Phil a nice little welcome to the coliseum when he came
rushing up behind Simms just as Simms was about to throw the ball,
needless to say he was a little shaken up, but kept on playing....
then a few plays later he got bent over backwards, I thought he was
gonna break in two, but still, he kept on going....he's as bad as that
energizer bunny. Hopefully, this win will help Marinovich and the rest
of the team get their confidence back. The new offensive co-ordinator,
Tom Walsh, did a good job of implementing plays that are better suited
for Marinovich's talents. They only threw two or three passes beyond
twenty yards. Marinovich was 14-23 for 216 yards and most importantly
ZERO interceptions. Jeff Jaeger, who represented the Raiders lasted
year in the pro-bowl and was almost automatic lasted year, has already
missed 8 field goals including two yesterday (45 yds & 38 yds), before
coming in, in the 4th quarter to kick a 54 yarder that put the game
away for the Raiders. This, IMHO, was a very gutsy call by Shell, but
it also was the right call as hopefully Jaeger's confidence will also
be boosted because of it. Some of those eight missed field goals
could've been the difference in wins/losses for the faids, since all
their losses except the KC game were very close ones, and even in the
KC game a missed field goal is what seemed to shift the momentum, the
faids could've gone on top 10-0, but instead ended up giving KC
excellent field position as well as getting the KC fans riled up.
Up next, da Bills.
Carlos
|
| 40.742 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Will Ross, throw George a life-jacket? | Mon Oct 05 1992 12:45 | 3 |
|
not to burst your bubble or anything Carlos but the Giants suck. 1-3 with the
worst coach in the league is hardly a great or even good team....
|
| 40.743 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Mon Oct 05 1992 12:54 | 9 |
| > not to burst your bubble or anything Carlos but the Giants suck. 1-3 with the
> worst coach in the league is hardly a great or even good team....
Yeah, ditto.
I couldn't have said it any better.....
'Saw
|
| 40.744 | To me, it was like winning the superbowl! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Oct 05 1992 12:58 | 5 |
| Gee Mike, thanks for not bursting my bubble like that......
with friends like you, who needs enemas...(sp?)
Carlos
|
| 40.745 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Will Ross, throw George a life-jacket? | Mon Oct 05 1992 13:19 | 6 |
|
> Gee Mike, thanks for not bursting my bubble like that......
> with friends like you, who needs enemas...(sp?)
the Giants coaching staff could use a few brain enemas.......
|
| 40.746 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Mon Oct 05 1992 13:28 | 12 |
| > the Giants coaching staff could use a few brains enemas.......
Slight correction Mike:
the Giants coaching staff could use a few brains
Ray Must Go!
'Saw
|
| 40.747 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Oct 05 1992 13:40 | 10 |
| Looked like they had a helluva crowd out there at the Coliseum. Anyone
get shot during the game?
Well, I have to say...
Go Raiders!! Beat the over-rated Bills! (I'm not joking, either!)
Joe
|
| 40.748 | 1-4 and moving up... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Cowboys sip...... | Mon Oct 05 1992 15:14 | 17 |
|
YES!!!!
The Raider D played real well yesterday, Marinovich still SUC#s I was
praying his hand was broken when he hit that Raider linemans helmet.
Jay wasn't no great QB but he's better than that mutton head Todd.
Browns TD could have been a TD int return the other way. What gets me
was that willie Gault was wide open in the replay of that play. That
would have been a much safer pass.
I love the Raiders but yesterdays game was just a Bandaid
to cover up the bleeding. Marinovich is not the answer Jay isn't either
but at least he knows the questions.
Chap(PY)
|
| 40.749 | To soon to tell.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Oct 06 1992 12:22 | 16 |
| �Marinovich still SUC#s
Sorry there Chap, but I think it's still way to early in his career to
start this junk, I mean, the kid's only played in 5 pro games for
Christ's sakes. Didn't Montana, Bradshaw, Staubach...etc..etc...
have less than stellar first and even second and third years upon
coming into the league? I think Marino is one of the very few that's
come in and had an immediate impact. Also remember, Marinovich because
of his own choosing, did not benefit from four years of college play.
I'd expect that if he remains as the starter throughout this year, and
if he stays away from the drugs, nexted year around this time we'll see
Todd taking it to opposing teams in grand style. He's gonna be a great
leader, but he needs time to develope. For the rest of this year, I
expect him to make some great plays, as well as some bonehaided ones.
Carlos
|
| 40.750 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Oct 06 1992 13:22 | 4 |
| Last week on MNF they said Marinovich has only started something like
15 games since high school.
Joe
|
| 40.751 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Tue Oct 06 1992 13:43 | 16 |
| No wonder he has that "I don't have a clue" look in his eyes.
And only someone with that little experience could call a timeout
between two plays where you just fall to one knee.
The Raiders got a gift on Sunday, from a team that should be 3-1, not
1-3, but who have the handicap of the worst coach in their history....
Had to love Howie Long's comment though -- after Pepper Johnson said
"we got beat by a bunch of ducks", Howie said "If we're ducks, what
are they? Sparrows?"
'Saw
|
| 40.752 | Playoffs are still a very slim possibility! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Tue Oct 06 1992 17:50 | 21 |
| >>The Raiders got a gift on Sunday, from a team that should be 3-1,
>>not 1-3,
Tweren't no gift thar 'Saw, there was no free giveaways that decided
the outcome of this one. Basically, it was all Giants in the first
half, and all Raiders in the second. The Raiders too, are a team that
should be 4-1 and not 1-4, in all the previous games excepting the MNF
game against the Chiefs, the faids have dominated there opponents
in all categories excepting turnovers, and as a result, final scores,
and W/L's. Which was the key to victory over the Giants, they only had
one turnover. The defense pretty much shutdown the Giants in the second
half. I think in the 1st half the Giants had approx. 240 total yards,
but in the second half they only had ~35 total yards. (this might be
wrong cause I'm going from memory). The offense also rose to the
occassion, and were able to put 13 unanswered points on the board,
without turning the ball over as they've grown accustomed to doing.
My point being that, they weren't given nothing, they went out and
earned everything they got Sunday.
Carlos
|
| 40.753 | | ROULET::WHITEHAIR | | Wed Oct 07 1992 09:42 | 8 |
|
should be....should be....should be......should be.....should be...
Yea, the Browns should be 3-1 instead of 1-3 too.
WOOF!
|
| 40.754 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Wed Oct 07 1992 10:48 | 23 |
| Don't have to have giveaways for a game to be a gift.
There's no reason at all for the Giants not to have had 14 points on the
board at the end of the first half. Well, there is a reason -- shoddy
play, and mental unawareness.
In the second half, the Giants defense must've gone to Disneyworld and
let some tutu-wearing ballet company take over. Oh, that WAS the
Giants defense.....8^)
FWIW, there are some serious problems in the Giants camp right now.
If LT, admittedly old, but still a team leader, had any faith in the
management's ability to deal with this crisis, then he would not have
gone to play golf and blown off a meeting.
The Giants gave that game away, with poor play, poor coaching,
complacency, and mental errors.
That's what I meant....
'Saw
|
| 40.755 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Oct 07 1992 11:20 | 13 |
| �The Giants gave that game away, with poor play, poor coaching,
�complacency, and mental errors.
�
�That's what I meant....
Yeah 'Saw, either they gave it away, or....
The faids took the game away, with good play, (semi-)good coaching,
enthusiasm (sp?), and (limited) mental errors.....
.......nahh! On second thought, your proberly rite.
Carloski
|
| 40.756 | | AXIS::CHAPPEL | Calling Dr.Howard,Dr.Fine,Dr.Howard | Wed Oct 07 1992 12:00 | 20 |
| �< Note 40.753 by ROULET::WHITEHAIR >
� should be....should be....should be......should be.....should be...
� Yea, the Browns should be 3-1 instead of 1-3 too.
� WOOF!
Ya, and if the Patriots were half the team most fans thought they would be
this year, they'd be 3-1 too.
Not_A_Happy_Season_Ticket_Holder
Chap
|
| 40.757 | | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Wed Oct 07 1992 12:11 | 2 |
| The problem with the Patriots is that they ARE half the team people
thought they would be 8^)
|
| 40.758 | | AXIS::CHAPPEL | Calling Dr.Howard,Dr.Fine,Dr.Howard | Wed Oct 07 1992 12:29 | 11 |
| �< Note 40.757 by CSC32::M_MACGREGOR >
� The problem with the Patriots is that they ARE half the team people
� thought they would be 8^)
True, sad, but true.
Chap
|
| 40.759 | Is Don leading me astray? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Will Ross, throw George a life-jacket? | Wed Oct 07 1992 13:30 | 5 |
|
But Chap, Don told me that you bought the season tickets like him, for the
sole purpose of watching the Cheerleaders...what gives???
;^)
|
| 40.760 | | AXIS::CHAPPEL | Calling Dr.Howard,Dr.Fine,Dr.Howard | Wed Oct 07 1992 13:35 | 5 |
| Believe me Mike, the cheerleaders are the ONLY reason I haven't already
given up my tickets. :-)
Chap
|
| 40.761 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Wed Oct 07 1992 16:47 | 21 |
|
Meanwhile back at the faider ranch..........
The Raiders 3rd ranked defense (AFC) is preparing to meet the Bills'
number one ranked offense. The Raiders have the best defense against
the pass in the AFC, but will be given a tough test against the
Bills....maybe?....maybe not though, because Kelly ruptured a bursa-sac
in his throwing elbow. On the other side of the ball, hopefully the new
and improved shorter set, that new offensive co-ordinator Tom Walsh
implemented last week will reap further dividends against a somewhat
suspect Buffalo secondary. The keys for the faids:
*shut down Thermal.
*limit the turnovers & mental errors that've haunted them all season.
*And last, but most importantly, they need excellent special teams
play, both on coverage and returns. I think this game will be decided
by the special teams units on both teams.
Carloski
|
| 40.762 | They ain't dead yet! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | | Mon Oct 12 1992 11:23 | 24 |
| Too bad the Raiders can't play against New Yohk teams every week, last
week it was the Giants, this week da Bills. The faids were 0-4 in Sept.
but so far they are 2-0 in Oct., and with yesterdays win and tonights
blow-out of the Doinks, the faids will only be two games down from both
the Chiefs and Doinks with a very good possibility of pulling within
one game after nexted week. Now for a little game review:
The Raider defense played a most excellent game, limiting the #1
offense in the NFL to a mere 3 points. Thermal shoulda stayed in
Buffalo, it was the second week in a row that he's been totally
shutdown. Kelly was feeling pressure throughout the game, although he
did manage to pass for just over 300 yards. The Raiders on offense
played a very good first half, with young Marinovich throwing for two
TD's, one of which was a rare Eric Dickerson reception. The Raiders had
two other scoring opportunities in the first half as well, but couldn't
execute. IMHO, Ronnie Lott is on course for another Pro-bowl season,
the 49'ers blew it when they let him get away. In the second half, the
Raider offense sputtered, and they gave da Bills way to many chances to
get back in it, fortunately the defense held their ground. Up next, the
Seahawks at the Kingdome.........
Carloski
|
| 40.763 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | JackieMo-That'sAllYaGottaKnow | Mon Oct 12 1992 11:49 | 1 |
| The Bills haven't been the same since playing the Patriots.
|
| 40.764 | Raiders Trade For Alexander Wright | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Tue Oct 13 1992 17:54 | 16 |
| I was very impressed with the play of Aarron Wallace and Anthony Bell
Sunday. They did a great job slowing down the slant patterns over the
middle, which the Bills have killed them with over the years. Anthony
Smith was very impressive rushing Kelly, and what more can be said
about the game Howie played! I've blasted him all year and he comes
through with a game like this.
With the exception of the early Int., Marinovich played well. The
running game could use a jump start, but you can't have everything.
The Raiders traded a conditional draft pick to Dallas for WR Alexander
Wright. There are alot of rumors that the Silver and Black have put
Greg Townsend on the Block. I do not like the idea of trading him.
Kenn
|
| 40.765 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Crocostimpy, Quest que c'est? | Tue Oct 13 1992 18:32 | 2 |
| Rumor was Townsend for Toon. They got their WR. Sounds like Townsend
stays put.
|
| 40.766 | from the internet...... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 14 1992 12:51 | 70 |
| LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- In the space of two weeks, the Los Angeles
Raiders have begun to climb out of a hole. The Buffalo Bills,
meanwhile,
have started to dig themselves one.
The Raiders closed down Buffalo's high-powered attack Sunday,
registering a 20-3 upset victory highlighted by two touchown throws
from Todd Marinovich.
Bills quarterback Jim Kelly completed 26 passes for 302 yards
on 45
attempts. But he was sacked five times for 49 yards in losses and over
the last two games -- both losses -- Buffalo has totaled a lone
touchdown.
``I wish I knew the answer to why we are playing the way we
are,''
said Kelly. ``We can move the football, but we just can't get it into
the endzone ltely.''
Buffalo fell to 4-2, two games behind the AFC leading Miami
Dolphins,
while the Raiders climbed to 2-4 and enjoy renewed hope they can be a
factor in the AFC West race.
The Raiders opened the scoring on a 2-yard touchdown reception
by
Eric Dickerson from Marinovich 9:59 into the game.
Marinovich's second touchdown pass -- a 52-yard strike to Tim
Brown
with 10:25 left in the second qarter -- gave Los Angeles a 14-3 lead.
Jeff Jaeger kicked a 45-yard field goal later in the second quarter
as the Raiders took a 17-3 lead into halftime. Jaeger added a 36-yard
field goal in the third.
Marinovich completed 11 of 21 passes for 188 yards and two
touchdowns
with one interception. Dickerson led the Raiders with 52 yards on 16
carries.
Buffalo's Thurman Thomas ran for 52 yards on 16 carries, but
was
plagued by a neck injury. Club officials said after the game Kelly also
had aggravated an elbow injury.
``To beat a team as good as the Bills will help us the rest
of the
year,'' said Marinovich. ``It waas reaas realy fun watching our defense play
so well today.''
Bufalo's only points came on a 25-yard field goal by Steve
Christie
and that kick came about only because Blls punter Chris Mohr was forced
to scramble for a first down when the Raiders rush headed by Elvis
Pattrson prevented him from getting off a punt.
``I felt Patterson had a great jump on the snap,'' sid Mohr.
``He
would have definitly blocked the punt if I had not let him fly by.''
The touchdown throw from Marinovidh to Brown ended an 80-yard
scoring
drive.
``It is really fun when you have a guy like Tim (Brown) to throw
to,''
said Marinovich. ``Even with our shakey start, I knew we could dominate
some teams like we did today.''
``It's a great victory for this organization,'' said Raiders Coach
Art Shell. ``I'm so proud of these guys. If we keep playing like this
we
will be tough to deal with.''
Buffalo Coach Marv Levy chose to credit the Raiders rather than
worry
about his team's two-game losing streak.
``Te Raiders have played a little better lately than people
think,''
Levy said. ``We dug a hole and we needd to get out of it so we had to
throw the ball. We were straining to get into the endzone and we didn't
make it.''
Carlos
|
| 40.767 | AFC QB Rankings... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 14 1992 13:46 | 37 |
| Passing att cmp pct yds td int
Kelly, Buf 192 118 61.5 1636 11 7
Moon, Hou 172 115 66.9 1361 12 9
Krieg, KC 149 88 59.1 1215 6 3
Marino, Mia 184 110 59.8 1331 7 5
O'Donnell, Pit 142 83 58.5 1088 4 3
Marinovich, LA 129 70 54.3 960 4 6
Millen, NE 159 102 64.2 972 6 10
Nagle, NY 154 75 48.7 980 4 4
Elway, Den 153 80 52.3 1012 4 6
Stouffer, Sea 127 61 48.0 591 2 3
Humphries, SD 150 80 53.3 863 3 8
George, Ind 72 34 47.2 428 2 4
Esiason, Cin 125 68 54.4 645 4 9
Looks like Marinovich is starting to move up a little in the rankings.
His totals ain't bad either considering he missed the firsted two
games. His TD/Int ratio isn't very good, but it's to be expected from a
greenhorn. Here's something you doink fans might enjoy, a comparison of
a greenhorn to a seasoned vet, BBJ:
Passing att cmp pct yds td int
Marinovich, LA 129 70 54.3 960 4 6
Elway, Den 153 80 52.3 1012 4 6
They're pretty close, Marinovich has a little bit better completion
percentage, BBJ has a little bit more yards (and two extra games), and
they have the exact same TD/Int ratio. In fairness to BBJ though, the
faids have a better line, better backs, and debatably, better
receivers.
HtH
Carloski
|
| 40.768 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 14 1992 14:04 | 10 |
| Hey Kenn, I like the Alexander Wright trade, also heard on ESPN this
morning that the Argonauts (?), don't want Rocket around no more...
Can you imagine Timmy Brown, A. Wright, and the Rocket going down field
at the same time....whoa mama!
Also, I think I remember hearing during the Raider/Buffalo game, that
somebody axed uncle Al if the trade rumors about Townsend were true,
and he said not only "no" but, "no &#*%ing way".
Carlos
|
| 40.769 | | CTHQ1::LEARY | Jackie Sherrill won't STEER ya wrong. | Wed Oct 14 1992 14:28 | 5 |
| Yo Carloski,
Has Tim Brown overcome his fumbleitis??
MikeL
|
| 40.770 | Re T.Brown | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 14 1992 15:19 | 6 |
| Welp, he's got two so far.....
but, he's also got three TD's so far too, I'll take those odds anyday.
Carlopski
|
| 40.771 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | GEORGE GET A U HAUL | Wed Oct 14 1992 15:19 | 3 |
|
Yes! But Alexander Wright can't catch.
|
| 40.772 | | DECWET::METZGER | �(���)� Hi, I'm Ross Perot... | Wed Oct 14 1992 15:22 | 11 |
|
And the Rocket can't get open. Watching some of the CFL games he clearly
hasn't progressed past the college level. He still doesn't know how to
run a pass route or how to drive a defender off or how to fake the
post and go to the corner...
Tommy did you read the SI on Mandarich a few weeks ago?
Metz
|
| 40.773 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 14 1992 15:55 | 7 |
| �Tommy did you read the SI on Mandarich a few weeks ago?
I ain't Tommy, but I think I read it. Are you talking about them saying
what a bust Mandarich turned out to be? Here's a guy that has "Al Davis
rebuilding project" written all over. That, and a bunch of tatoos.
Carlos
|
| 40.774 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Oct 15 1992 17:09 | 19 |
| Ok, how 'bout some good 'ol faider trivia.
The faids only have two QB's on the active roster, if'n they both go
down guess who'd be there emergency QB? -------> Marcus Allen.
Who is the only offensive rookie on the active roster?
-----> Greg Skrepenak.
What faider WR has gold and silver Olympic medals?
-----> Sam Graddy. (he also set the world record for the 60 yard dash)
At the start of this season, Greg Townsend was second in career sacks
among all active NFL players. How many did he have? ----> 95.
Which Pro baseball team drafted Todd Marinovich?---> Calif. Angels
Carloski
|
| 40.775 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Oct 15 1992 17:17 | 3 |
| Carlitos... You're supposed to hold the answers for a bit...
BG
|
| 40.776 | ~/~ | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | Pipsqueak Aryan Cabbagehead | Thu Oct 15 1992 17:19 | 8 |
| More trivia:
Who cares?
Mark.
|
| 40.777 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Oct 15 1992 17:44 | 9 |
| �Carlitos... You're supposed to hold the answers for a bit...
Ahhh well, I'm not that good at Jeopardy either....
By the way, what the heck are you doing in here anyhow BG? After the
way the doinks got blasted I didn't expect you'd be around for another
month or two. :-)
Carlomeister
|
| 40.778 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Oct 15 1992 17:54 | 9 |
| �Who cares?
yeah i guess you're right Mark, it is pretty meaningless stuf. i'm
taking off tommorrow for a elk hunting trip, and i guess it's feeling
kinda like friday, which is usually the day that meaningless stuf
should be put in here, not at all meaning that during the rest of the
week meaningful stuf is put in here...
Carlorama
|
| 40.779 | at best, raiders finish 8-8 | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Oct 15 1992 18:57 | 9 |
| Hey, Carlitos...
You know better than that, buddy... I always take my lumps when the
mighty donks roll over and play dead. I beleive I predicted at the
begining of this year that the donks would stink it up. But....
I bet I still win my bet with Uncle Hootsie. (bet was donks finish
with better record that faiders)
BG
|
| 40.780 | Can the Raiders Come back... | RUNAWY::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Fri Oct 16 1992 14:27 | 6 |
| Im glad the Raiders won last week, but I almost cried on that 1st
interception. A Very good, Timed pass to Ethan Horton in the corner
and the Damm Defense reads it perfect and gets there BARELY on time
to snatch it out of his hands for the interception :-( ...
Ethan Horton is my Starting TE in the FFL... He hasnt done squat yet
|
| 40.781 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | JackieMo-That'sAllYaGottaKnow | Fri Oct 16 1992 19:36 | 3 |
| How come the Raiders don't play Nick Bell more?
/Don(for Metz)
|
| 40.782 | The Div. the worst in some time !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Oct 19 1992 13:35 | 5 |
| How come the faiders play in the NFL... They should be playing
in the now gone WLAF... along with the rst of the AFC West !!
BG
|
| 40.783 | elkless, but had a great time | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 21 1992 12:58 | 30 |
| This is a little late, because I was off elk hunting (without any
luck), but the faids shutout the seahawks 19-0. I expected the faids to
win this one, but I thought the seahawks might have been a little less
cooperative. The Raiders usually have a hard time of it up in Seattle.
Marinovich sprained a knee and is questionable for this weekends
matchup against the 'pokes, this is a bummer because I think with TM in
there the faids might've done a number on the 'pokes, but if Shredder
gets the start.....who knows what'll happen, but it'll proberly be
another vintage Shredder choke. Nick Bell played against the Seahawks,
and had a great day. He had somthing like 10 carries for close to 100
yards, and the faids had a total of 176 rushing yards. The faider
defense is playing up to par, since the second half of the Giants game
the faids have allowed a grand total of 3 points to be scored against
them. They'll have their work cut out for them this weekend stopping
Emmitt, and Irvin, which by the way I believe is the key for the faids.
This plus it would be nice if Marinovich were in there to pick apart
Dallas' somewhat suspect secondary, which is their weak point. These
two teams went at it during a pre-season scrimmage, and they had a
couple of friendly little brawls which should bring back pleasant
memories for this weekends matchup. I believe Russell Maryland and
Steve Wiesniewski in particular might have a little bit of unfinished
business. Should be a good game.
Predictions:
If Marinovich plays ..... Raiders by +7
If Shredder plays ....... ? (proberly won't be such a good game)
Carlitos
|
| 40.784 | You're such a character !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Oct 21 1992 15:46 | 8 |
|
Not a bad analysis Carlitos... Uncharacteristically based on reality,
which is certinly uncharacteristic of a Faider fan !! ;^)
Big Game Hunter
|
| 40.785 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Wed Oct 21 1992 15:50 | 13 |
| > Not a bad analysis Carlitos... Uncharacteristically based on reality,
> which is certinly uncharacteristic of a Faider fan !! ;^)
>
> Big Game Hunter
Do you guys know each other?
Just curious....
|
| 40.786 | Just an Uncle Hootsie By Anyother Name !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Oct 21 1992 15:53 | 3 |
| Never met Da Bum... At least not that I know of !!!
BG
|
| 40.787 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 21 1992 17:12 | 16 |
| Speaking of uncharacteristic, you've been awful friendly lately there
BG. Even when I give you my best doses of BG and Doink bashing you
still remain relatively pleasant....and to tell the troof, it's got me
a wee bit scaird. Could it be that you are presently contemplating a
switch to a real team, and are therefore trying to jump on the
bandwagon under good terms.....?
�Do you guys know each other?
Nope Frank. What BG said (never met da bum). At least not in person.
Although you do kinda get to know what people are like by the junk they
write in here. I think it'd be interesting to see what alot of the
people in here look like and compare 'em to the way you think they
might look.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.788 | | CTHQ1::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey AND Melanie's dad | Wed Oct 21 1992 17:18 | 10 |
| � write in here. I think it'd be interesting to see what alot of the
� people in here look like and compare 'em to the way you think they
� might look.
Well, in case you're wondering, I look like a mainlier version of Mel Gibson.
8^)
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| 40.789 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Oct 21 1992 17:29 | 12 |
| Carloskiwitz...
I would never in a million years come over to the Silver and Black.
This is a team without a sense of right or wrong, without morals,
without QB. Uncle Al Davis is surely a member of organized crime,
the shades he wears prove it!
Silver and Black, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!
I think I'm Gonna Hurl.......
BG
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| 40.790 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 21 1992 18:00 | 8 |
| �Well, in case you're wondering, I look like a mainlier version
�of Mel Gibson.
See what I mean, that's pretty interesting and I was kinda close,
excepting I had you pegged as more of a mainlier version of uncle
Charlie from My Three Sons. many ....:-)
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.791 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Thu Oct 22 1992 09:38 | 14 |
| Well, Carlos, you're almost correct.
Bob has a Mel Gibson body wif a Uncle Charlie head.
Me? I'm built like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I'm as handsome as
Mel Gibson, with a sense of humor like Robin Williams.....
hth,
'Saw
8^)
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| 40.792 | | GENRAL::WADE | | Thu Oct 22 1992 10:24 | 4 |
|
BG looks and acts like Pee Wee Herman! :^)
Claybroon
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| 40.793 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Oct 22 1992 10:55 | 5 |
| �Me? I'm built like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I'm as handsome as
�Mel Gibson, with a sense of humor like Robin Williams.....
After reading that, all I can sayis that Robin's sense of humor isn't
as warped as yours...
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| 40.794 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Thu Oct 22 1992 10:59 | 8 |
| > After reading that, all I can sayis that Robin's sense of humor isn't
> as warped as yours...
8^)
A little humor from the Dark Side....
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| 40.795 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Oct 22 1992 12:24 | 13 |
| Back to the faids....ESPN reported yesterday that Marinovich will be
playing.....but ya gotta wonder how effective he'll be, especially
after seeing the way Cortez Kennedy (+300lbs) landed on him. Still
though, I'd rather have a young, hurt, inexperienced Marinovich in
there than a healthy Shredder. In fairness to Jay, he has won some big
games for the faids and it's possible that he could come in and have a
great game, but I still feel better with TM in there.
Also, I wonder if Alexander Wright will see any playing time against
his former teammates, often times it seems like players that get traded
away have something to prove against their former teams.
Carlos
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| 40.796 | Butt Head !!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Oct 22 1992 13:37 | 8 |
|
Thats pretty cold Clabroon... Especially from a guy who ain't
even manly enough to bring home any "Big Game" from the hunt...
BG
P.s. Claybroon looks like Ross Perot with bigger ears
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| 40.797 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Oct 22 1992 13:40 | 3 |
| Don't matter... Faids lose by 10 this week !!
BG
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| 40.798 | Unless ma Niners git going late | CTHQ1::LEARY | Jackie Sherrill won't STEER ya wrong. | Thu Oct 22 1992 13:46 | 8 |
| Why don't youse AFC Westerners face da music.
Y'all gonna git kilt by whoever comes outta the AFC East
(Miami/Buffalo) who i turn are gonna get kilt by whoever comes ouuta
the NFC East ( Washington/Dallas, sorry Iggles).
JMHO
MikeL
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| 40.799 | Raiders 24 Cowadholescents 10...... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Sunday doomsday for Troysie in LA | Thu Oct 22 1992 17:51 | 12 |
|
I don't think so MikeL. If the Raiders get out of the AFC Best
they will kick Buffalo's butt again than lose to Houston Cause we don't
have a QB. See Todd sips and See Jay sips. I just haven't figured out
who sips more.
Than Philly will take Houston apart. And we'll have to go through
another year of NFC dominance talk in the media.
Chap(PY)
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| 40.800 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Oct 22 1992 17:53 | 6 |
| � I don't think so MikeL. If the Raiders get out of the AFC Best
� they will kick Buffalo's butt again
I may be wrong here, but after losing to the Raiders in the regular
season, didn't Buffalo win a playoff game in LA, beating the Raiders by
a record margin in the process?
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| 40.801 | | GENRAL::WADE | | Thu Oct 22 1992 18:28 | 6 |
|
Yup, you're wrong. They moidered the Raiders in Buffalo. :*)
It was something like 51-3.
Claybroon
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| 40.802 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Oct 22 1992 18:45 | 3 |
| Raiders ain't gonna get past Denver !!!
BG
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| 40.803 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Oct 22 1992 19:36 | 9 |
|
> I may be wrong here, but after losing to the Raiders in the regular
> season, didn't Buffalo win a playoff game in LA, beating the Raiders by
> a record margin in the process?
Buffalo beat them in the regular season also (we're talking about '90 I
assume). And Wade's right, Buffalo beat the Faids 51-3 in Buffalo.
Joe
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| 40.804 | | CTHQ1::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie's formula - $70/case | Fri Oct 23 1992 09:42 | 2 |
| The latest I've heard is that Marinovitch will play Sunday. Think it was
on ESPN.
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| 40.805 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Fri Oct 23 1992 16:27 | 11 |
| Should be interesting to see how well Terry McDaniel does against
Michael Irvin. I think the Cowboys are gonna be in for a shock. Other
key matchups will be (IMHO): Russell Maryland vs Steve Wisniewski,
Charles Haley vs Bruce Wilkerson, Larry Brown vs Willie Gault, Issiac
Holt vs Tim Brown. Also expect Tolbert and Casillas to have good days
against McElroy and Peat on the right side. I think as a result of
McDaniel shutting down Irvin's production, that Novacek is gonna see
alot of action.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.806 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Is Ross Perot the Deliverance Dude?? | Fri Oct 23 1992 16:39 | 10 |
|
>>Michael Irvin. I think the Cowboys are gonna be in for a shock. Other
Ya, they'll be shocked. The Cowboys will be shocked by the ease at
which they'll rack up points against the weak Faider team.
(8^)*
JaKe
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| 40.807 | Somebody give JaKe a cup of coffee.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Fri Oct 23 1992 17:27 | 13 |
| �Ya, they'll be shocked. The Cowboys will be shocked by the ease at
�which they'll rack up points against the weak Faider team.
C'mon JaKe, I'd think you'd have enuf to worry about with an even weaker
Steeler team going up against what IMHO is the class of the AFC (right
now anyhow), the Chiefs, without you having to come in here and spew
all this trash. And besides, if allowing a mere 3 points in the last 10
quarters is considered a weak Faider team, I can hardly wait 'til they
get better. :-)
Carlitos
(Curly Toes)
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| 40.808 | Confirmed? | CTHQ1::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie's formula - $70/case | Fri Oct 23 1992 17:27 | 1 |
| So is Marinovitch in?
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| 40.809 | (8^)* | PFSVAX::JACOB | Is Ross Perot the Deliverance Dude?? | Fri Oct 23 1992 17:38 | 26 |
|
>> C'mon JaKe, I'd think you'd have enuf to worry about with an even weaker
>> Steeler team going up against what IMHO is the class of the AFC (right
>> now anyhow), the Chiefs, without you having to come in here and spew
Re the Steelers, Hey, they're expected to lose this one, so if they do,
no biggy, and if they should pull out a win, it's gravy time. I'll be
drinking some good beer, eating munchies and I'll be rooting fer the
Steelers, but I really don't expect fer them to beat the Chiefs.
>>all this trash. And besides, if allowing a mere 3 points in the last 10
>>quarters is considered a weak Faider team, I can hardly wait 'til they
>>get better. :-)
Even a blind pig finds an ear of corn once in it's lifetime!! Who were
the faiders opponents, the Wilmington school for Wayward Neo-Nazi
Skinhaid Differently-Abled Height Disadvantaged Girls?????? and the
Wizohinken Boys Club????
JaKe
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| 40.810 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Fri Oct 23 1992 17:51 | 4 |
| Today's USA Today has Marinovich listed as probable. I think he'll be
starting, but I don't know if he'll be finishing.
Carlos
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| 40.811 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Fri Oct 23 1992 18:22 | 32 |
| �Who were the faiders opponents, the Wilmington school for Wayward
�Neo-Nazi Skinhaid Differently-Abled Height Disadvantaged Girls???
�and the Wizohinken Boys Club????
2 quarters = Giants
4 quarters = Bills (#1 offense in the league at the time)
4 quarters = Seachicks
I'm not sure which one of your colorful names to assign to which
team, but they seemed to have turned things around in the second half
of the Giants game and it's lasted 'til the present time. And like the
Steelers, the faids are expected to lose too, so if'n they do....it's
expected, and if'n they don't I cain say "Told ya so". The biggest
reason the faids are winning now and weren't in the first four games is
like I said a few times before...turnovers. In the first 4 games they
had 7 fumbles and 7 intys, worst in the league. In the last 3 games
they've lost 1 fumble and 1 inty.
�Even a blind pig finds an ear of corn once in it's lifetime!
Don't drag your girlfriends into this now, JaKe....talking football is
one thang...but this is entirely different...:-)
Seriously though, it's not like the faids just all of a sudden got
lucky (unlike a certain orange and blue team), other than the turnovers
they've been playing good ball. The only game the faids have gotten
beat in is the Monday nighter against the Chiefs, the other three games
they clearly outplayed their opponents excepting for turnovers which
became the deciding factor in each game.
Curly T.
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| 40.812 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Is Ross Perot the Deliverance Dude?? | Fri Oct 23 1992 22:34 | 17 |
|
>>Don't drag your girlfriends into this now, JaKe....talking football is
>>one thang...but this is entirely different...:-)
How do you know, you seeing her now, eh??? (8^)*
Lessee, 6 of those 10 quarters were against the league's most potent
offenses, huh??? I'm talking the seachickens and the Gnats.
As fer Buffalo, I remember when the Steelers were beating the crap out
of everybody(I have a good memory), and they went into San Diego
favored by a million, (or more), and got blown out something like 47-0.
Everybody has an off day, and that was the Bills' bad day.
JaKe
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| 40.813 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Sat Oct 24 1992 01:07 | 5 |
| AHHhhh... It's enough to warm the heart of any NFL fan.
I think we are witnessing a flareup in the old Raider
Steelers grudge.
BoB
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| 40.814 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Mon Oct 26 1992 09:02 | 8 |
| Boy, reading back a few notes, it sure is funny.
Raiders got kicked bad by the Cowboys, and when I went to bed last night
the Steeler had a, ahem, COMMANDING lead on the Chiefs....
'Saw
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| 40.815 | At least the doinks and Chiefs lost too. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Oct 26 1992 11:24 | 11 |
| Faids lose 28-13, ... no excuses, the better team won. Emmitt's a stud,
I said lasted week that if the faids could stop Emmitt and Irvin they'd
win....well they stopped Irvin, but couldn't handle Emmitt. The faids
are now 1-1 vs NFC East, and they get a week off before facing the
Eagles at the Vet. 'Saw says the faids 'got kicked bad', but IMHO it
wasn't that bad. It was a good game, and even up into the third quarter
it could have went either way. Still, hats off to the Cowboys, and
while I'm at it, also to the Steelers and JaKe.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.816 | | CAMONE::WAY | We're the dance band on the Titanic | Mon Oct 26 1992 11:25 | 11 |
| > Eagles at the Vet. 'Saw says the faids 'got kicked bad', but IMHO it
> wasn't that bad. It was a good game, and even up into the third quarter
I didn't see hardly any of the game -- just saw Todd get sacked and
Smith run untouched into the end zone.
I was watching the Pats game -- which was pretty exciting actually.....
'Saw
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| 40.817 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Sunday doomsday for Troysie in LA | Mon Oct 26 1992 11:46 | 9 |
|
Marinovich SIPPPPPPPPPPPP's
God I hate that guy. He is not a QB he reminds me of a cross between
Tony Eason and Mark Wilson. He's the sole reason the Raiders lost so
bad he missed open recievers all day and fumbled twice losing one of
them.
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| 40.818 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Oct 26 1992 12:55 | 30 |
| Hey Chappy, what do you expect, he's still way green. He's got a total
of 7 NFL games worth of experience to draw from, and the mistakes he's
making are to be expected. You can't expect the kid to come in and play
like Montana or Marino...etc..etc... at least not yet anyhow! The
veteran players like Marcus, Dickerson, Gault etc...have to step in now
and make some plays to get the pressure off of Marinovich. Aikman's
been wif da 'boys for ~5 years now, and he's just recently started to
come into his own. And if you go back and look at the careers of most
of all the great QB's you might find that their first couple of years
in the league they sucked. IMHO, Marinovich did a good job (at least as
good as everybody else on the team) yesterday, especially considering
that they played one of the top teams in the NFL. Question is, 'is he
getting any better, does he learn from his mistakes, or does he keep
making the same bonehaided blunders week after week?'. Answer: (again
IMHO) Yes, he is getting better and he does seem to be learning from
his mistakes. Why yesterday I noticed that TM walked up to the line,
checked everything out and seen that there was a mis-match between
Gault and the Dallas defender, so he calls an audible changing the
original play and launched a bomb to a wide open Willie Gault.
Unfortunately the ball was just a foot or two ahead of Gaults reach or
else it's 6 points on the board. The point is he's growing, little by
little, he's growing. Next time (hopefully) he'll not only read the
defense, but deliver the ball accurately, and he goes from bum to hero.
Right now because of his greenness, TM's more of a liability for the
faids than an asset, but I think that nexted year around this time TM
will start to be a major factor against opposing teams. For the rest of
this year expect moments of brilliance mixed with moments of ugliness.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.819 | IMNSHO | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Mon Oct 26 1992 14:13 | 16 |
|
Carlos when the rest of the team is playing great Football
ie. Howie, Ronnie, Dickerson, A. Smith, you need a QB that will at
least keep you in a game. He is not improving! Go back and watch the
Highlights... Anytime he gets even a modest rush he gets happy feet
and throws the ball away or into a dangerous situation. Gault had his
man beat all day and TODDIE couldn't get the ball to him. We could have
scored TD for TD with that team. Schroeder is a bonehead but at least
he keeps you somewhat in the game. Neither guy is the answer.
He doesn't compare to Stabler's early career or any other
moderately good QB. If you like the Raiders as much as I do you'll come
to see this in time.
HE"S A FU%&**G BUM..........
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| 40.820 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Oct 26 1992 16:04 | 20 |
| �Carlos when the rest of the team is playing great Football ie. Howie,
�Ronnie, Dickerson, A. Smith, you need a QB that will at least keep
�you in a game.
Dickerson rushed for a grand total of 42 yards, while Emmitt ran right
past Howie, Ronnie, and A. Smith for 152 yards.....hardly what I'd
consider to be great games. In the first half the Raiders (all of them)
played some good football, in the second half however, the RB's were
shut down, the OL was a joke, Marinovich (predictably) struggled, and
the defense also was outplayed. If you gotta point fingers, point em at
the Cowboys because they're the ones that came and outplayed the
Raiders...all of them, not just Marinovich. I'll say this too,
Marinovich for only having played in 7 games as a pro, played at least
as good against the Cowboys as Superbowl MVP Mark Rypien, and also Phil
Simms, Dave Krieg, and Chris Miller. They (the Cowboys) have a funny
way of making QB's look bad. :-) HtH
Carloskiwitz
|
| 40.821 | | CSOA1::JACOB | Mets in '93 | Mon Oct 26 1992 16:35 | 24 |
| >>it could have went either way. Still, hats off to the Cowboys, and
>>while I'm at it, also to the Steelers and JaKe.
Thanks Carlo(insert whatever here)s
Actually, lasted night, I sat down with a case of Penn Pilsner, a GREAT
locally brewed beer, on ice, and tons of munchies. We had some friend
over for dinner and the game. The night started out horrible as the
roast beef turned out WELL done(shoulda been medium), the gravy burnt,
one of my kids dumped his plate of food all over the floor, and so on
and so forth. I figgered by game time that everything else had gone
down the crapper, so I might as well sit down, start downing brewskis,
and munching cause this game, the Chiefs would probably bring the 4-2
Steelers back sown to earth. Well, many many beers later, when the
game ended, I ended the night feeling as though SOMETHING went right.
I dunno whether they cain play at that level nexted week, given the
tendency to let down after beating a good team like that, but IF, and
that's a big IF they can, the Oilscum will be toast.
Twas a decent evening after all fer me.
JaKe
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| 40.822 | Love to see the Faiders get their Butts kicked | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Oct 26 1992 16:41 | 9 |
| I love it !!! another brilliant move by Al "The Mobster" Davis.
TM is a Bum... He'll be another Tony Eason or Marc Wilson...
Mark My words... BTW Look for Al Baby to start to put the heat on Art
Schell... One more season like this one and you can stick a fork in
Art, cause he's all done.
BG
|
| 40.823 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Oct 26 1992 16:53 | 17 |
|
I wouldn't be so much concerned by Todd Marinovich's lack of
experience and uninspired play to date as much as the fact that the kid
is a gamble, a longshot. When he came out of college he was not
tremendously regarded, like an Aikman or a Jeff George. I think the
only reason he's more well known to the average fan than other young,
developing QBs and backup QBs all over the league is the Robo-QB thing,
and the ridiculous notion that he is somehow better off because he fits
the Raiders' rebel/reclamation project image. The fact is that he
doesn't have a tremendously strong arm and even at USC he wasn't known
for playing smart...
I think if the Raiders have a chance to draft a talented QB in the near
future they won't think twice on Todd's account.
glenn
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| 40.824 | Give him Time! | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Mon Oct 26 1992 18:26 | 16 |
| I agree with Carlos, back off Marinovich. He is gonna make bad plays!
I still feel that thier play calling is suspect at best, run, run
pass!! It seems that every game the running game dies in the second
half. Marinovich is then forced to pass and teams are just teeing off
on him. Remember, Wright, Montoya, Wisnewski, and Mosebar have been
banged up all year. Marinovich will get better. I don't see Nagel or
Farve lighting up the score board for thier respective teams!
Schroeder has proven that he is to inconsistent to be the starter so
what have you got to lose by starting Marinovich?? The QB is always the
guy to take the blame.
On the positive side, Aarron Wallace and Anthony Smith are looking
pretty solid. Anthony Bell is making progress. Where is McGlockton???
Kenn
|
| 40.825 | | DECWET::METZGER | �(���)� Hi, I'm Ross Perot... | Mon Oct 26 1992 18:32 | 9 |
|
Dump dickerson..play Nick Bell...The guy tops 100 yards against the
chickenhawks and then gets 2 carries the next week...Hello..McShell..
hello..hello...
What a goof...
Metz
|
| 40.826 | Play Vince Evans..............NOT!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Tue Oct 27 1992 10:37 | 8 |
|
I hope your right Glen. Cuz this guy is not the answer. the only
problem I see is there aren't too many promising NFL type QB's coming
out this year.
Chappy
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| 40.827 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Oct 27 1992 11:14 | 5 |
|
Play St. Marys girls team... the faiders should be able to pull
that one out even with TM at the helm !! ;^)
BG
|
| 40.828 | Jury's still out for another year or two on TM! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Tue Oct 27 1992 12:55 | 14 |
| �Dump dickerson..play Nick Bell...
Couldn't agree more, Metz. I think they ought to be playing Bell as the
primary back, and Marcus and Dickerson should have lesser roles. As far
as Marinovich is concerned, maybe he will turn out to be a bust, and
then again maybe he'll turn out to be a stud. BUT, for now, it's still
way to early to tell. And also, like Kenn said, comparing Marinovich to
Favre, and Nagle, he's doing at least as good if not better, matter o
fack, he not only compares well against these rookies he's also doing
pretty good in the NFL QB ratings against seasoned veterans like
Boomer, Elway, and Millen just to name a few.
Carlos
|
| 40.829 | The scenario opens with FREE AGENCY | OURGNG::RIGGEN | DENVER JECKYL AND HYDES | Tue Oct 27 1992 13:27 | 10 |
| Uncle Al takes a short flight up towards the bay area. He is planning
a power lunch with the city of Oakland to build a new contract to move the
silver & black back into the town. Things are going well the officials have well
greased pockets.
Suddenly in swaggers a man recognized by everyone JOE MONTANA, Uncle Al
splains that he has signed Joe as a free agent Joe is ready to play 2 years
and bring the silver and black into the Superbowl and teach young TOAD the
skills needed.
Jeff
|
| 40.830 | big helping? | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Tue Oct 27 1992 13:32 | 12 |
|
Jeff,
Been dippin into the 'sawmain's schrooms again?
;^)
I remain,
available without a prescription
Kev
|
| 40.831 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Oct 27 1992 14:31 | 4 |
| Really not to far fetched... Especially the part about Uncle Al
greasing every palm in town to get what he wants.
BG
|
| 40.832 | | USCTR1::NAHEARN | | Tue Oct 27 1992 15:00 | 10 |
| I think that Brett Favre is outplaying Marijuanavich by a W I D E
margin!!! There's really no comparison.......Favre was rated at 92.5
going into last weekend and Marijuanavich was at 67.7!!
I know that these QB ratings aren't an exact science, but 67.7 SUCKS!!!
HTH,
Nelly
|
| 40.833 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Oct 28 1992 12:24 | 20 |
| Nelly's right, Favre is playing better than TM right now. Here's how TM
measures up with some of the other QB's mentioned. This is current, but
only includes stats and not QB ratings:
Passing att cmp pct yds td int
Favre, GB 185 117 63.2 1285 6 3
Marinovich, LA 155 78 50.3 1077 5 6
Nagle, NY 186 94 50.5 1147 4 6
George, Ind 144 79 54.9 925 4 7
Esiason, Cin 166 92 55.4 870 5 10
So, while TM isn't exactly re-writing the record books he is holding
his own. And he's doing it with an ailing offensive line (as Kenn
pointed out), and two less years of college experience. HtH
Carloski
|
| 40.834 | Hope he goes off the wagon.... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Wed Oct 28 1992 13:29 | 5 |
|
He still Sips.....
|
| 40.835 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Wed Oct 28 1992 21:55 | 5 |
| Of course he sips but what else can they do right now?
Their stuck. I hope Al continues to stick by his guns and
keep Tod in there for at least another 5 years.
BoB
|
| 40.836 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 04 1992 10:45 | 15 |
| The faids go up against the Randall-less eagles in Philly. Max Montoya
will be back in the lineup for the faids which should be a help.
Another thing that might help is if the faids take a page out of lasted
weeks cowboy/eagle game. The cowboys were lining up FB Darrell Johnston
alongside of Erik Williams, double teaming Clyde Simmons, and on the
other side it was TE Novacek alongside Tuinei (sp?) double teaming
Reggie White. It worked pretty effectively, Aikman was hardly pressured
or sacked. The faider defense really needs to concentrate on stuffing
Herschel, and getting to Jimmy Mac. One last thing, please get Nick
Bell more involved.
Faids pull an upset - by 7.
Carloski
|
| 40.837 | | SALEM::HARRIS_K | | Wed Nov 04 1992 12:39 | 7 |
| Carlos,
I can't agree more about getting Nick Bell the ball!!!!
If the Raiders fall behind early, Philly will unleash their pass rush
and it's gonna be a LONG day for TM. Hopefully Philly will keep Randall
on the Bench all day!!!
Kenn
|
| 40.838 | And I suppose Northwestern is gonna beat Michigan too... | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Nov 04 1992 16:08 | 7 |
|
> Faids pull an upset - by 7.
Just when I thought you were starting to get a little objective, Carlos...
Joe
|
| 40.839 | Faiders lose by twice the spread | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 04 1992 17:18 | 3 |
| Yea, And Monkeys Might Fly Out Of My Butt, Too...
BG
|
| 40.840 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 04 1992 18:00 | 22 |
| Yeah well, I know they'll do a heck of a lot better than the doinks did
up in philly.....what? didn't the doinks have a very impressive 3
points...to phillys 30 (?)....hee heee...Besides, the birds are in
major dis-array, ESPN reported that many eagles players are unhappy
with management....benching Cunningham....a slumping offense....a week
off for the faids....the return of Montoya to the line...all these
things = eagles ripe for an upset!
And since I'm making predictions....I'll go out a little further on the
limb and say that the chargers are gonna win the chiefs, and the jets
are gonna terrorize Bucky and the boys (by the way, did anybody else
see the article in the USA Today about Bucky....made me wanna throw
chunks)....:-)
Also, not to kick a dead horse or anything (after lasted weeks
discussions on TM and QB ratings) but, I notice in todays USA Today that
Marinovich has a QB rating of 67.6, and is just under Bucky, and rated
higher than Nagle, Esiason, George, and Stouffer (who went out on IR).
Carlos
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| 40.841 | Faiders will faid | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 04 1992 18:37 | 6 |
| Somebody slap Carlitos... He's losing it in a big way !!
;^)
BG
|
| 40.842 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Thu Nov 05 1992 10:16 | 3 |
|
Marinovich Sips.....
|
| 40.843 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Thu Nov 05 1992 16:31 | 3 |
| Just another Ankle-Bitting patsie
BG
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| 40.844 | | ELMAGO::BENBACA | New Mexico *IS* Part of the U.S.! | Thu Nov 05 1992 19:21 | 6 |
| You all have to forgive Carlitos...you see he sits pretty close to a
die hard Cowboys fan who took a lot of grief the last few years because
of the Cowboys dismal record. However, they are doing rather well now
and Mr Carlitos is now receiving lots of grief from this Cowboy fan
that sits next to him. If you want I could ask her to kindly slap
Carlitos for you guys. Might bring him to his senses :^))
|
| 40.845 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Fri Nov 06 1992 09:23 | 4 |
|
Sounds good... Make sure he knows it's from me !!
BG
|
| 40.846 | So does Schroeder....... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Mon Nov 09 1992 09:53 | 5 |
|
BTW
Marinovich Sips...
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| 40.847 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Nov 09 1992 11:12 | 7 |
|
HA !!! And old Carlitos was predicting a possible Faiders win...
Kinda looked like the Donks playing against the Beagles yesterday.
the AFC don't stand a chance in the SB this year... Hope Denver
decides to stay home !!
BG
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| 40.848 | 3-6, but about to make a serious turn around.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Nov 09 1992 12:13 | 18 |
| � HA !!! And old Carlitos was predicting a possible Faiders win...
^^^
^^^
Old? Ollddd? Why I'm proberly young enough to be your son...(little
game???....yechhhhh....now there's a revolting thought...:-))
Far as the faids go, they did do a pretty good doink imatation
yesterday...Marinovich really stunk it up...Schredder didn't do too
much better....Oh well, time to regroup and get ready for the nexted
four games against each of the other teams in the AFC Wested.
Playoff hopes are looking pretty dim right now, but 9-7 might just be
good enough to get in. Of course that means they can only lose once
more, but like Judy Tununu (sp?) would say, 'It could happen'.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.849 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Nov 09 1992 14:47 | 5 |
| Never Happen Carlitos...
Hey... I'm only 29 you dog !!
BG
|
| 40.850 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Nov 10 1992 14:09 | 3 |
| Dickerson sips....
BoB
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| 40.851 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Nov 10 1992 17:16 | 14 |
|
Todd Sips
Uncle Al Sips
Art Sips
Howie Sips
Etc.....
The Faiders Sip in general !!!
HTH
BG
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| 40.852 | | GENRAL::WADE | His hair was perfect... | Tue Nov 10 1992 17:43 | 4 |
|
Aw come on BG, Howie don't sip.
Claybroon
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| 40.853 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Nov 10 1992 18:30 | 9 |
| Art doesn't sip but Al does. It's too bad that if they
don't turn around Art will be out by the end of next year.
The Raider org needs to finally wake up. They need to
reorganize and get Al's hands off the day to day management
and give the coach a free reign. What use to work in
the past does not work in today's environment. We at
DEC know that as well as anyone.
BoB
|
| 40.854 | You heard it here first... | DECWET::METZGER | Hail to Bill and tCm | Tue Nov 10 1992 19:52 | 14 |
|
My guess is that the raiders will end up signing Joe Montana for next year...
why?
The niners are doing to well with Young and have an adequate backup in Bono.
The Raiders know that Shredder isn't the answer and Moronovich is too green
to be any help right now if he'll ever be, Joe wants to stay on the left
coast too...
And the Raiders will have some extra cash after they dump Dickerson the bum
after this season...
Metz
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| 40.855 | Montana could be another Plunkett for the Raiders | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 11 1992 11:12 | 15 |
|
Metz,
I was thinking the same thing on Monday night when they interviewed
Joe at half time. I would be a great move for him... Same area of
the country, don't have to uproot and move for half the year, etc...
Montana would be a great 2-3 year QB while providing training to a
young QB of the future. I don't know that TM is that young QB though.
The Raiders game would have to change to utilize Joe's skill set as
well.
BG
Ps. I was mearly ~/~ with my lasted comments... Howie would be
welcome in Denver anytime if it were up to me !
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| 40.856 | Surf's gonna be up in a year or two dudes... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 11 1992 11:24 | 21 |
| �Dickerson sips
�Todd sips
�Uncle Al sips
�Art sips
�Howie sips
Funny how you crazy knuckle-heads consider the dental wonder to be
close to football deity and yet you slander, real, genuine, authentic
HoF type football personalities. Uncle Al & Art of course are already
there, Eric & Howie are more than likely headed that way....and Todd,
now there's a real QB....oh sure maybe he's got a little bit too much
sand between his ears from all them surfing wipeouts...but in another
year or two he'll be hangin ten with the best of 'em. :-)
By the way, even though Dickerson is better than anything the doinks
got right now, I kinda agree that he's seen better days, and I wish the
faids would start Nick Bell with Marcus as the backup. Also, I think
Howie's better than the doinks best DL....HtH
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.857 | Vince put your helmet on.... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Wed Nov 11 1992 11:54 | 16 |
|
Marinovich Sips.
Todd was reported saying yesterday that he was benched in
favor of Jay for next weeks game(Hallelula sp.) cuz Marinovich Sips.
Dickerson too should be benched cuz he sips most o the time in
favor of Marcus with Bell as his backup.
BG you can't be serious about Art, Al and Howie. Al Davis is
one of the best owners/Pres. in Pro Sports. Art Shell is a good coach
and ask any QB in the league about Howie.
But BTW
Marinovich Sips....
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| 40.858 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 11 1992 13:04 | 6 |
| Chap... You got something against TM??? ;^)
I am serious about Uncle Al... He needs to let the coach run the
team.
BG
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| 40.859 | Marinovich Sips........ | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Wed Nov 11 1992 14:25 | 9 |
|
BG I do believe he does meddle a little too much but he has had
great success the last 20 yrs with all his moves.. ie Plunkett, Marcus
Allen as the 13th pick in the draft, Ronnie Lott, Howie from Villanova
, Taking the Rocket in the late rds last year too might pan out for
the Silver and Black. The Guy is a football genius.
TM Who me??? :-)
|
| 40.860 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Wed Nov 11 1992 14:36 | 12 |
| If you have been around as long as Al your bound to
make some good moves. Every team has players accumulated
that are tremendous deals and steals. Don't forget the bad
moves either. He's in the HoF for past accomplishments.
He has done little in recent years.
TM sips
Jay sips
Al sips
Marcus doesn't sip
BoB
|
| 40.861 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Nov 11 1992 14:48 | 7 |
| RE: Chap
They said the same thing on Sportscenter, that the Raiders got the
rights to Rocket with a low-round pick. I thought they took him in the
4th round.
Joe
|
| 40.862 | Theres always a 1st time... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Wed Nov 11 1992 14:56 | 8 |
|
I thought it was an 8th rd pick, but I may be wrong.
Marinovich Sips.
Chappy
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| 40.863 | H T H !!!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 11 1992 15:13 | 15 |
| I believe it was the 8th...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Uncle Al didn't do some good
things for the Raiders, He did (most of the sh*t A$$ed luck but thats
besides the point. Thats past history. Uncle Al has done very little
of late to inprove the Raiders the way he had in the past. In FACK(tm),
he done more to hurt in recent years. The move to LA, The Hiring and
Firing of Mike Shanahan, The benching of Marcus, The trade of Lachey
for Shredder, the Drafting of TM, and the inability to get his friggen
hands out of the day to day operations and let Art (or whom ever) run
the team like they were hired to do. I'd be really pissed if my boss
told me that I was accountable for a project and then insisted on
getting in my way every time I mad a decision.
BG
|
| 40.864 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Nov 11 1992 15:17 | 2 |
| Yeah, the Rocket is racking up those punt returns and receiving yards
for the Silver and Black these days isn't he.
|
| 40.865 | Tim Brown = Freeman Mcneil | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 11 1992 15:28 | 6 |
| I know we've been down this road a million times but... The rocket
will see about as much action in the NFL as Tim Brown has since he's
been in there. Always Hurt... Can't stand up to the punishment, a
girly mon..
BG
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| 40.866 | ............. Sips (tm) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Wed Nov 11 1992 16:02 | 16 |
|
BG BG BG BG BG BG BG BG BG BG BG
Geez.
Tim Brown
20 catches team leader Not too bad especially
401 yds team leader with a chump like (Marinovich Sips)
4 td's team leader throwing to him. :-)
10.4 yds per Punt return ( 4th in the AFC)
This guy isn't no slouch or no Al Toon for that matter.
Chappy...
|
| 40.867 | same fate awaits the rocket... probably worse !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 11 1992 17:19 | 3 |
| And he was hurt all lasted(tm) year !!
|
| 40.868 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Wed Nov 11 1992 18:32 | 4 |
| I heard the rocket is doing to well in the CFL. Is this true? If
so, then this most likely means he would do less in the NFL.
Tim
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| 40.869 | Why else would the Argo's want to dump him? | DECWET::METZGER | Hail to Bill and tCm | Wed Nov 11 1992 18:53 | 11 |
|
The rocket is a glorified kick returner in the CFL. Great speed but still hasn't
learned how to break off a route or fake anybody into thinking that he isn't
doing anything but going long...
He runs a reverse or two a game but that's about it....Tim Brown has it all
over this guy (and that isn't saying a whole heck of a lot).
His brother will be twice the player he is...
Metz
|
| 40.870 | NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Todd Marinovich = Tony Eason..... | Mon Nov 16 1992 10:20 | 4 |
|
Now thats more like it Todd. Best game I ever seen you play.
You are the man. After that you belong in the Pro Bowl.
|
| 40.871 | TM Sucks !!!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Nov 17 1992 12:42 | 9 |
|
Can't wait for the Donks to kick the crap out of the Faiders.
Shouldn't be tough... After all, they are a sunset team much
like the Midgets of NJ. Look for another impressive Denver
victory against the Faiders... this will all but seal the Faids
fate for the season... Cellar bound !!
BG GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BBBBBRRRRROOONNNNCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
|
| 40.872 | Doesn't BBJ have such a friendly smile? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Tue Nov 17 1992 13:21 | 19 |
| � -< TM Sucks !!!! >-
C'mon Big Shame, Tommy Maddox didn't do that bad for his first time
out, cut the kid some slack....:-)
John Elway is a great QB and the raiders will certainly have their work
cut out for them.....so what if his shoulder's a little delicate, the
guy's just awesome and I really feel sorry for the faids. Reeves is a
great coach and the whole Bronco's organization is definitely on it's
way up. Here's hoping that they make it to the SuperBowl, they deserve
it.
Like BG said..."GOOOOOOOOO BBBBBRRRROOOONNNNCCCCOOOOSSSS!!!!!!"
HtH
Carloski
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| 40.873 | KOD against KOD !!! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Nov 17 1992 14:50 | 24 |
|
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Mods... Stop Carlitoski... He's putting the KOD on the Mighty
Broncos. No fair... Foul... Cheep-shot !!! This is something
right outa my nightmares.
KOD Back At Ya:
Carlitos, You are wrong. There is know way the the Broncos could
compete with such a manly team as the Raiders. Their coach is the
best in the league and Uncle Al Davis is soley responsible for football
being what it is today. Todd M. is going to be a HOF'er. Howie Long
and Tim Brown are gods. Shredder is best back up QB to ever play the
game. The Rocket is better than he would be just because the Raiders
own his rights in the NFL. No, this Raider football team is the
greatest bunch of guys to ever be assembeled into a team. They are
truely art in motion on the playing field. They deserver to go to the
superbowl and will undoubtedly avenge their earlier loss to Denver
this comming week. The Raiders are the best and... (here it comes, the
KOD) can't possible lose to the Broncos at Home !!! ;^)
BG
|
| 40.874 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Tue Nov 17 1992 16:22 | 22 |
|
Oh yeah....let's see....John Elway's teef are like the finest pearls
(only bigger), and his wife (Margaret?), now there's a real Babe-raham
Lincoln! The doinks offensive line has really looked impressive lately
and they should have no problema running right over those senior
citizens that the faids call a defensive line. And should BBJ not be
able to play, I know that the other TM, (you know the good QB) should
be able to come in and have a stellar performance against a weak faider
secondary. Also, we can expect both Gaston Greene and Sammy Smith to
have record breaking field days. Todd Marinovich or Shredder (whichever
of the faids two helpless QB's) and the rest of the faider offense will
struggle miserably against the mighty Orange Crush defense of the
Broncos. Croel, Meck, Brooks and Fletcher will be terrors, and the
faids will remain without a clue. And should any of these defenders
falter, the executer himself, Steve Atwater will surely crush the
faiders all alone if need be.....Dan Reeves is by far the best
offensive play caller ever, and his schemes are pure brilliance. I
doubt that a hundred of DEC's new Alpha architecture machines could be
of any help in deciphering such complex game plans as Dan's. :-)
Carloski
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| 40.875 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Tue Nov 17 1992 17:57 | 11 |
|
Oh Carlitos, you couldn't be more wrong. Denver doesn't stand a
chance against the much more talented and wiser Raiders. This team
is legendary and will surely go down in history as one of the greatest
ever assembled. Elway on his best day will not be able to overcome
the awsome defense of the Raiders. Art Shell is 100 times the coach
that Danny Reeves will ever be. No, the Raiders can't possibly lose
this game at home to the Broncos. It's just not in the cards. If
I were you carlitos, I'd bet the farm !!
|
| 40.876 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Nov 17 1992 19:13 | 12 |
| Hey Carlos,
WAKE UP! oh clueless one! :*). Jay can't carry Maddox's
jock strap. Todd would try but doesn't know what one
looks like. Denver could put their 3rd string qb in and
still have a big edge there. Remember these teams never
split. It's always sweep sweep sweep and then it will be
weep weep weep down in Raiderland. The Broncos will have
them crying in their bordeaux. Is it true that standard
Raider tailgate fare is quiche?
BoB
|
| 40.877 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Nov 17 1992 19:14 | 1 |
| By the way Carlos, didja' get that elk this year?
|
| 40.878 | | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | Earn More Sessions By Sleaving | Tue Nov 17 1992 22:02 | 9 |
|
I believe that in a traditional rivalry as this is, very little
matters. It usually is close and anything can happen.
Speaking as a Charger fan..................go Raiders.
Speaking as the father of a Bronco fan.....go Broncos. (for my boy)
Live from Charger Central.......Glenn
|
| 40.879 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:21 | 10 |
|
Marinovich sips
Denver Sips
elway picks his teeth with a stick
Raiders win by 10
Chappy.
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| 40.880 | Take It To The Bank... Arts a Loser and Al is a Crook !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:28 | 6 |
| Chappy...
It ain't nioce to talk about GAWD that way. Elway Rools !!!
Faiders lose by 17...
BG
|
| 40.881 | BBJ & Maddox both HoF bound..... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:34 | 24 |
| Hey Carlos,
WAKE UP! oh clueless one! :*). Jay can't carry Maddox's
jock strap. Todd would try but doesn't know what one
looks like. Denver could put their 3rd string qb in and
still have a big edge there. Remember these teams never
split. It's always sweep sweep sweep and then it will be
weep weep weep down in Raiderland. The Broncos will have
them crying in their bordeaux. Is it true that standard
Raider tailgate fare is quiche?
BoB
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BoB, I couldn't agree more, the faids will be weeping after getting
sweeped by the awesome Broncos (what a team), I also agree that Denvers
3rd string QB (and entire 3rd string squad for that matter) are way too
much for the hapless faids.
HtH :-)
Carlitos
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| 40.882 | Maybe nexted year.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:38 | 8 |
| �By the way Carlos, didja' get that elk this year?
Nope! I didn't even see one. Saw plenty of deer, and lots of fresh elk
tracks........but it's beyond me how such a big animal can be so
sneaky?
Carloskiwitz
|
| 40.883 | KOD!!! it's dirty job but.... | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:43 | 11 |
| Agreed about the Elk.... I didn't even see one. A little bit of
sign but thats it.
Carloskiwitz, No way Elway or Maddox are HOF'ers... They'll have
to beat out Shredder and Todd to get there and we know that will
never happen. The Raiders practice squad could beat the lowly
Donkeys. No, this one is over, it's a mail for the Raiders.
the absolutly no way they can lose this game to the Broncos at home,
just can't happen.
BG ;^)
|
| 40.884 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 18 1992 09:46 | 10 |
| �Speaking as the father of a Bronco fan.....go Broncos. (for my boy)
Glenn, Glenn, Glenn.......I'm dis-appointed! How could any self
respecting, caring, loving father allow his son to go off the deep end
like that. May I suggest counseling, maybe it's not to late and the boy
can be helped. Even shock treatments might be better than allowing your
son to grow up to be like BoB and Tim, or even worse...BG. :-)
Carlitowitz
|
| 40.885 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Wed Nov 18 1992 10:38 | 4 |
|
Alright BG and Carlos. Reexchange your passwords and get out of
each others accounts.
|
| 40.886 | | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | Earn More Sessions By Sleaving | Wed Nov 18 1992 15:42 | 10 |
|
Carlos, it wasn't my fault. The media here in the Springs brain-washed
him. I attempted to show him the virtues of the mighty SuperChargers,
but he flipped me off. Oh me.....
I must be doing something wrong, because my other son is a Dolphin fan.
;-)
Glenn
|
| 40.887 | Donk fan since '74 | QUASER::JACKSONTA | As the stomach churnes | Thu Nov 19 1992 10:40 | 3 |
| I think I'm going to be sick!
Tim
|
| 40.888 | Elway, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Namath, Staubach, Bradshw, Stabler...... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Nov 19 1992 12:41 | 21 |
| It's really very unfortunate that one of the greatest (if not thee
greatest) QB's ever, might not play this weekend against the lowly
Raiders. But fortunately for the awesome Bronco team, they have a very
competent, and confident young QB in Tommy Maddox. And although he
might share the same initials as the faiders young QB (TM) that is
about as far as the comparisons go, Marinovich is way out-classed by
Maddox, and they don't even belong in the same league, much less the
same division. Many speculated that Marinovich was made from the same
mold as Stabler, but I think it's more like the same mold as Marc
Wilson......
Dan Reeves again showed why he is a true football genious when he
selected Maddox this year with a first round pick.....unlike that poor
selection the faids wasted a #1 pick on lasted year. Yup! This weekend
the wheat will be seperated from the chaff, and it will be the faids
that are left blowing in the wind. Broncos win in a total blowout 54-3!
HtH
Carlitoswitz
|
| 40.889 | (8^)* | PFSVAX::JACOB | WIll Hillary run the White House?? | Thu Nov 19 1992 12:59 | 12 |
|
>>It's really very unfortunate that one of the greatest (if not thee
>>greatest) QB's ever, might not play this weekend against the lowly
It's official, he's NOT playing against the Raiders
Terry Bradshaw is staying in the CBS booth fer the weekend.
JaKe
|
| 40.890 | And it sure the Hell wasn't me!!!!!!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Thu Nov 19 1992 14:01 | 8 |
|
Carlos you also said in your little tribute ( -2 ) that many
have compared Our TM to Stabler. I seem to recall that only one guy in
here made that comparison. :-)
Chappy
|
| 40.891 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Thu Nov 19 1992 14:09 | 8 |
| I don't expect a blowout but Broncos as underdogs should
cover and should win. Most of the seats will be empty.
Surfs up. Who wants to watch a bunch of overgrown children
beat each other up? If they could only direct their energies
to more productive and fullfilling endeavors.
Howie sips.
BoB
|
| 40.892 | Are there any faiders that you do like, Chappy? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Thu Nov 19 1992 15:30 | 17 |
| �Carlos you also said in your little tribute ( -2 ) that many
�have compared Our TM to Stabler. I seem to recall that only one guy in
�here made that comparison. :-)
Mark, you're right, I did say that many have compared TM to Stabler,
and you're also right that I'm probably the only one in here that's
made that comparison.....that's only probably because there are only
about two or three of us Raider fans in here....and we all know how you
feel about TM so I doubt that you'd ever say anything good about the
guy....but then again you proberly hated Stabler too in which case a
similar comparison would also work. :-)
Anyhow.....compared to Maddox, he ain't nuthin! :-) <- KoD with a
smile
Carloski
|
| 40.893 | I think NOT.......:-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:17 | 4 |
|
Hated Stabler!!!!!!!!!! Why you little (*&^%^%%
|
| 40.894 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Newcastle Brown 'll sure smack ya down | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:18 | 5 |
| As a Steeler fan, I also hated Stabler, cause he was part of the
*&(^ing Raiders, who all of us Steeler fans HATED immensely.
JaKe
|
| 40.895 | Just Wondering | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:28 | 9 |
|
So Jake you probably thought the immaculate reception was legal
too. :-)
Chappy
|
| 40.896 | | MKFSA::LONG | like 2 sparrows in a hurricane... | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:33 | 7 |
| I don't know about JaKe, but it sure looked legal to me.
Certainly more legal than the Raider "roll the ball into the
end zone" trick.
Bill
|
| 40.897 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Newcastle Brown 'll sure smack ya down | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:36 | 19 |
|
>> So Jake you probably thought the immaculate reception was legal
>>too. :-)
I think it was legal, Fuqua was running away from the ball, and the
defender, cain't remember who, was flying towards the ball. Had it hit
fuqua, it would have fallen pretty quick to the ground, but colliding
with the defender, it went zinging BACKWARDS thru the air, til ol
Franco happened to be in the right place at the right time,(Hey Ma,
looky what I found) and tiptoed into the end zone.
BTW, If I EVER see the tape of that again, I'm goin TO PUKE!!!!!!
If I seen in once, I seen it a billion times, and I'm sick of it, just
sick of it.
JaKe
|
| 40.898 | BTW ah loved the 70's Stillers | CTHQ1::LEARY | Why George why? Because it's there! | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:43 | 5 |
| YOU'RE sick of it?
Imagine if'n you was a Dolphin fan??
MikeL
|
| 40.899 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:49 | 12 |
|
With the defender hitting Fuqua at the exact same time the ball got
there :-) The ballnaturally flew back towards Harris. And we all know
there was a rule at the time about the ball couldn't touch two
offensive players in succession or it was to be ruled incomplete.
Hate to be rehashing things from 14 yrs ago but......:-)
Chappy
|
| 40.900 | Time flies, eh?? | CTHQ1::LEARY | Why George why? Because it's there! | Thu Nov 19 1992 16:53 | 8 |
| -1,
14 years Chappy??
Must be the memory cells gonzoed by Bud.
Try close to *20* years ago.
MikeL
|
| 40.901 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Thu Nov 19 1992 17:14 | 4 |
| Replay of the reception couldn't conclusively prove
anything. The play stands. TD! Raiders GO HOME!
BoB
|
| 40.902 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Fri Nov 20 1992 08:59 | 8 |
| But I'm sure you guys have heard the NFL Films interviews.
One of the interviews (with Madden???) talks about the ref running to the
phone, asking the cops how many police they'll have to escort them out,
and when they find out not many, the ref runs back on the field
and signals TD. 8^)
'Saw
|
| 40.903 | Zebras really did give it to them | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Fri Nov 20 1992 10:21 | 3 |
| True Story... !!! The one time anything has gone against the
Raiders. BTW the "Reception" was illiggle !!! Raider should
have won the game.
|
| 40.904 | I hate when that happens...... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Fri Nov 20 1992 11:53 | 8 |
|
Yeah Saw I saw that NFL Films Clip and it made me more irate
than ever. Was 1t 20 yrs ago? Wow those Navy years are still a daze I
guess I missed 5 yrs.:-)
Chappy
|
| 40.905 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Se�orita I'm in trouble again... | Fri Nov 20 1992 13:17 | 2 |
| The Raiders were happy as hell to lose that game, that way they didn't
have to face the fish.
|
| 40.906 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Fri Nov 20 1992 13:25 | 3 |
| The raiders woulda ended the streak... Unlike the sorry Squeelers
BG
|
| 40.907 | Just A Little Confused | RUNAWY::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Fri Nov 20 1992 14:42 | 6 |
| Im confused, does the reply CLEARLY SHOW WITHOUT A DOUBT that the
defensive player did not touch the ball. Ive seen the reply but
Ive never slowed it down and went frame to frame with the old VCR
button to see who touched it and everything. Thanks in advance.
MaB
|
| 40.908 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Fri Nov 20 1992 16:23 | 6 |
| I've seen it several hundered times (ok, maybe 20 or 30) and
it looks to me that he never did. I would be interesting to
run that tape by the IR guys of today and see if they would have
over turned (I know the rule is changed)
BG
|
| 40.909 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Sat Nov 21 1992 18:07 | 5 |
| IR probably woul have upheld the call since they would not have clear
evidence to overrule.
The Crazy Met
|
| 40.910 | Howie Rules......... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Mon Nov 23 1992 09:08 | 19 |
|
Just a few thoughts from yesterdays game.........
Marinovich played another great game thats 2 in a row :^)
All TM's Sip.
Donks Sip.
Marcus Allen is God..........Even Though Uncle Al doesn;'t
know it.
Marcus Allen Best 3rd string Back in football??????
Denver worst 7-4 team in Football....
Chappy
|
| 40.911 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Nov 23 1992 12:01 | 23 |
| Raiders defense comes up big again! Terry McDaniel had a great game,
picking off TM-jr. twice, and on both of the returns he only had Maddox
to beat to get into the endzone but was unable to come up with a score
on either return. Also, as Chappy said, Howie tore it up.....
and Chester McGlokton, the faids #1 draft pick finally got his first
NFL sack, hopefully he'll become like a wolf that's gotten it's first
taste of blood. On offense, Shredder didn't pull his patented choke
routine. Dickerson had his first 100+ game for the faids....most of it
in the firsted half, and Marcus unbelieveably, was allowed to play and
got an easy TD when the doinks blitzed and left Allen all alone in the
right side of the secondary. (IMHO) Marcus needs to get the ball way
more often! Marinovich hung ten on the bench for the second week in a
row...which might be good for him. The Raiders still have a slim chance
of making it to the playoffs, and they might even be able to sneak away
with the Division title, although I highly doubt they'll be able to do
the latter. The way I see things shaping up now, the Division belongs
to the Chiefs, with the doinks, chargers, and faids going after two of
the three wildcard spots (Miami will have one...and now that Moon's out,
I don't see anybody in the Central getting a wildcard spot). So, 9-7
just might be good enuf for the faids to be in the running.
Carloski
|
| 40.912 | Getting down to the Nitty Gritty (Sea was eliminated) | RUNAWY::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Mon Nov 23 1992 13:08 | 11 |
| They can(will) hold the last Playoff spot with a win this week, of
course they need Detroit to wake up and beat Houston. IF they beat
SD they are both at .500 but LA gets the Tie break with SD so if
Houston loses to Det and goes to .500 (I believe) LA has the tie over
houston as well, of couse Cleveland could get to .500 as well but again
it looks like LA has the tie over them. Have the Raiders lost to
either Houston or Cleveland this year ????? I dont think Houston is
going anywhere this year and wouldnt mind seeing The Raiders in there
instead of the Oilers.
MaB
|
| 40.913 | Go Raiders -TM cuz he sips....... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Mon Nov 23 1992 14:01 | 17 |
|
Raiders lost to the browns(whatta lame team to lose to.)
The Raiders have.
@SD, KC, @MIA, SD and @Was.....
The only game they can afford to lose is Was. If they beat SD
twice and beat Mia. That would go along way to help eliminate some of
the enemy...:-).
I see them beating Miami (We always beat Miami on Monday
Night). Plus SD at least once, but that KC game is the make or Break
game.
Chappy
|
| 40.914 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Nov 23 1992 14:19 | 4 |
| Where is my bird... burnt please... Just like the donks !
BG
|
| 40.915 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | BG + Carlos=KOD nausea | Mon Nov 23 1992 16:26 | 2 |
| The faids win a game and now your talking playoffs? Please wait
another 2-3 weeks....
|
| 40.916 | not enough balls | CSC32::J_HENSON | Faster than a speeding ticket | Mon Nov 23 1992 16:48 | 14 |
| The best part of yesterday's game came before the kickoff. NBC was
interviewing several of the Raiders, mostly about the poor showing
that had made so far. Tim Brown had a really super quote. It was
something like this.
"I think that we're a team with too many players and not enough
balls."
He was talking about all the running backs on the team and not having
a set starter. And I'm pretty sure that he meant [foot]balls. Regardless,
it was truly a quote worth remembering.
Jerry
|
| 40.917 | ex | QUASER::HUNTER | Denvers Line, Maddox, Dan Reeves | Mon Nov 23 1992 18:10 | 4 |
|
I'd bet that it's more like Balls knowing Brown
BG
|
| 40.918 | It's not nice to mess with Uncle Al! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Tue Nov 24 1992 10:37 | 8 |
| Here's some good news for old Chappy, the faids demoted Marinovich to
the practice squad and made Vince Evans the #2 guy behind Shredder.
You think maybe Marinovich voiced his dis-satisfaction to Uncle Al,
about not being the starter...maybe...? This might turn into another
Beuerlein -vs- Davis = Beuerlein gone! type of thing.
Carloski
|
| 40.919 | | QUASER::HUNTER | The Often Quoted Big Game Hunter | Tue Nov 24 1992 12:19 | 5 |
|
Another exibition of Uncle Al getting his fingers in where they
don't belong.
BG
|
| 40.920 | | CSC32::SALZER | | Tue Nov 24 1992 22:55 | 7 |
| Don't get excited Raider fans. You all know as well as anywone
that Dever has an uncanny ability to make mediocre teams look
like gang busters on any given occasion. Also, it should be
noted that both Schroeder and Dickerson seem to have career days
against the Broncos. You can look it up.
BoB
|
| 40.921 | Home for the holidays | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Nov 25 1992 10:08 | 6 |
| I'll be very surprised if LA can make the playoffs. Their games left
are San Diego twice, KC, at Washington and at Miami. At best I think
they'll finish 8-8, but even 9-7 probably wouldn't get them in.
Joe
|
| 40.922 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 25 1992 10:33 | 16 |
| Re. last two...While it might be true that the faids hopes of reaching
the playoffs is a long shot, it's also true that the huge victory over
the doinks this lasted weekend helped their chances immensely. If the
doinks could've won, they'd be four games up on the faids, two on the
chargers, and one on the chiefs, but as it stands they are only two up
on the faids, one on the chargers, and tied wif da chiefs. Not to
mention that the doinks still have to play Dallas, Buffalo, and K.C.,
plus two games against the struggling Seahawks. So, while the faids
might be home for the holidays, I think they that because of lasted
weekends mauling, they've pretty much insured that their buddies (the
doinks) will be joining them. HtH :-)
Carloski
PS Look for the Seahawks to get their second win of the season on
MNF!
|
| 40.923 | Marinovich Sips..... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Please George don't sign Boggs | Wed Nov 25 1992 13:38 | 6 |
|
Yes TM third stringer......HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...
Chappy...
|
| 40.924 | One step forward, two steps back! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Wed Nov 25 1992 16:01 | 13 |
| �Yes TM third stringer......HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...
I don't know what you're so danged thrilled about, there, Chappy.
I mean it's not like they just took a major step forward by putting
Shredder in there, or having Grampa Evans backing him up. Shredder
might get another couple of wins, and he might even look halfway decent
getting them, but rest assured Shredder will only get the faids close
enough for you to be salivating all over yourself before he pulls his
patented Shredder choke routine....you know, where he makes the
stupidest possible mistakes at the very worst time. HtH
Carloski
|
| 40.925 | Wait 'til nexted Year.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | BeholdTheLambOfGodThatTakesAwaySin | Mon Nov 30 1992 10:33 | 16 |
| I don't care what Chappy thinks.....SHREDDER SIPS !, way more than TM.
Shredder has like eight or so more years of NFL experience, and
Marinovich still looks better out there than Shred-head. Grampa Evans
wasn't overly impressive either, and that, against a Charger team that
was already in cruise control cause they had the game won easily.
For all intents and purposes, this season is over with. So I say put TM
back in and let him get some more OJT. That goes for Nick Bell,
Skrepenak, and McGlokton as well. By the way, the faids do have a very,
very small chance of getting in now, but they'd have to win the rest of
their games (not an easy task) and then hope for a lot of help from
some of the other teams.....
Carloski
|
| 40.926 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Nov 30 1992 10:45 | 8 |
| ND won't win the national title and the Raiders will miss the playoffs.
What more could one ask for?
Joe
PS - Since we feel so bad for the Raiders, all us Bronco fans will pull
for them this week. Go Raiders!
|
| 40.927 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | O'DowncastSoul,PutYourHopeInGod! | Tue Dec 01 1992 13:18 | 29 |
| �ND won't win the national title and the Raiders will miss the
�playoffs.
Hmmmm....I know this is more of a pipe-dream than anything else but,
in light of the fack that the doinks sip (plus they lost last night),
the faids now have a very possible chance of still squeeking in to the
playoffs. 'How' you ask? ...(and that's a very good question by the
way)...it's simple really....I was sitting here talking to my self
(it's the only way I can have an intelligent conversation), and I asked
myself the following questions:
* Can the faids beat K.C. at home this weekend? Hmmm?
* Can the faids beat Miami on MNF in two weeks? Hmmm?
* Can the faids beat San Diego at home in three weeks? Hmmm?
You'll be happy to know that the answer I received was resounding 'yes'
to all of these questions. It just depends on which faids show up, the
ones that smoked the doinks two weeks ago, or the ones that got smoked
lasted weekend. The fourth game against the 'Skins is the toughy...but
the faids might be able to luck out and pull an upset which would leave
tham at 9-7. And the way I figure it, the Dolphins and Chargers will
get two of the wild-card spots, the doinks are out-they'll be lucky to
end at 8-8, which leaves the Browns, the faids (assuming they get to
9-7), and the Oilers. Like I said before, it's proberly more of a
pipe-dream than anything...but who knows...
Carloski
|
| 40.928 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Dec 01 1992 15:22 | 18 |
|
> * Can the faids beat K.C. at home this weekend? Hmmm?
> * Can the faids beat Miami on MNF in two weeks? Hmmm?
> * Can the faids beat San Diego at home in three weeks? Hmmm?
I'll agree. My answer to each of these questions would also be yes - but asked
on an individual basis. Now if you asked me if the Faids will win their next 3
games, I would say no. I'd count the game at RFK as a loss, so I don't think
they'll go any better than 8-8.
As for Denver, after last night's loss I think they'll finish 9-7. Now whether
or not that'll get them in the playoffs depends on what the other contenders do
the rest of the way, but right now I would say 9-7 won't get them in the
playoffs.
Joe
|
| 40.929 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Reeves and play calling don't mix | Tue Dec 01 1992 17:06 | 4 |
| The Cheifs and bolts are the only teams from the AFc west that
deserve playoff spots.
Tim
|
| 40.930 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Dec 07 1992 10:48 | 15 |
| Right On! The Ray-dahs come up with a huge victory, and keep their
slim shot playoff hopes alive. The Raider defense held the powerful
running game of the Chiefs to 17 yards. Shredder had 3 td's, 2 inty's,
and a grand total of 93 yards (he still sips). The Raiders also rushed
for over 150 yards against the chiefs with Dickerson leading the way
with 77 yds, Allen 37 yds, Shredder 21 yds, and Bell with 19 yds. Also,
Art Shell got his first win against the Chiefs. Previous to this game
the chiefs had beaten the faids 6 times in a row, so it's been a long
time in coming but it tastes sweet now.
Next up, Are you ready for some football....A Monday night party....
it's the Ray-dahs against the fish nexted week on MNF.
Carloski
|
| 40.931 | Maybe theyll finally trade Marcus so he can play | RUNAWY::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Mon Dec 07 1992 16:31 | 7 |
| Raiders can actually stay in the Hunt if the Beat Miami this coming
weekend. I think even Cleveland fans will be rooting for the Raiders
they can help out some other teams by beating Miami this week. Will
be a very intresting weekend.
MaB
I still like watching Dickerson run
|
| 40.932 | Kings of MNF | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Thu Dec 10 1992 12:12 | 14 |
| �I think even Cleveland fans will be rooting for the Raiders they can
�help out some other teams by beating Miami this week.
Should be one of the better Monday nighters of the year, the faids have
had the Dolphins number for a while now, but you gotta know that sooner
or later Marino is gonna come thru.....(I hope I didn't just give the
faids the KoD).....
Then again, the way the faids have been playing lately (either getting
blown out, or blowing out the other team) this might just be like all
the rest of the Monday-nighters so far......one sided.
Carlos
|
| 40.933 | time released capsule | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Fri Dec 11 1992 09:09 | 55 |
| Here's a capsule of the coming up faids/fish game that I took off the
internet:
Monday, Dec. 14
LA Raiders (6-7) at Miami (8-5)
Favorite -- Miami by 6.
Turf -- Natural.
Rankings -- 18th on offense, 9th rushing, 23rd passing. 8th on
defense, 12th rushing, 6th passing. Miami: 4th on offense, 24th
rushing,
1st passing. 14th on defense, 6th rushing, 21st passing.
Raiders -- Los Angeles has probably made its move too late, but
the
Raiders have won three of their last four and Jay Schroeder is coming
off his third three-touchdown game of the season. RB Eric Dickerson has
begun to contribute more and in five of their last eight games, the
Raiders have allowed less than 10 points. Now Los Angeles has to figure
out how to get off to a better start. Two brutal losses to start the
season against Denver and Cincinnati will likely com back to haunt the
Raiders.
Dolphins -- Miami has dropped five of its last seven after a
6-0 start
and the playoffs are no longer a certainty. The Dolphins have scored
only two offensive touchdowns in their last 14 quarters and managed
just
40 rushing yards against San Francisco last week. Miami has the kind of
schedule a team would want down the stretch (the Raiders, Jets and
Patriots). But the Dolphins still have to win. QB Dan Marino leads the
NFL with 22 TD passes. K Pete Stoyanovich leads the NFL with 99 points.
He is seeking his third straight 100-point season.
Keys to the Game -- Miami is under pressure and despite having
Dan
Marino's arm, the Dolphins must put together some sort of running
attack
against the Raiders. Los Angeles allowed 17 rushing yards against
Kansas
City a week ago. Without a balanced attack, the Dolphins' once secure
playoff spot could crumble away.
Head-to-head -- Raiders lead 16-4-1. They won two years ago in
Miami,
13-10.
Streaks -- Los Angeles has won seven of its last eight meetings
with
Miami. The Raiders have won only one road game this season.
Sorry about the cut & paste job....
Carloski
|
| 40.934 | Hoot..... | QUASER::HUNTER | The Often Quoted Big Game Hunter | Fri Dec 11 1992 17:46 | 39 |
| Hot off the persses For Sunday's Games !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BG
Associated Press Mon 15-DEC-1986 13:58 FBC--Raider firings
URGENT -- updates moving for PMs. Art Schell fired;
virtual unknown takes over
LOS ANGELES (AP) - In a move that may go down as unparalled in
professionl football management, Al Davis announced today that Art Schell
has been fired as head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders, and has been
replaced by a virtual unknown to finish the season.
Davis, managing general partner, announced at an impromptu new
conference this morning, that Schell, 53, was out immediately and
being replaced by Dave "Hoot" Gibson, 31, of Colorado Springs.
Schell had been the Raider coach for the past 3 seasons and
had compiled a less than spectacular record in the span.
A quick check by AP Sports could not uncover any professional
experience compiled by Mr. Gibson or his new assistant coach, Thomas
"Parott" Montgomery, 29, also of Colorado Springs.
In making the announcement, Davis said Schell had "just not made
the correct decisions" and was at odds with Raider upper management on the
Quarter Back situation. Schell could not be reached for comment.
Gibson, after being introduced, made a brief statement to the
press stating the Raiders' goals for the remainder of the season.
"While we all thank Art Schell for his outstanding contribution
to the Raider's success," said Gibson, "...no more Zebras are going to
screw us out of victories."
Gibson cited six of the Raiders' losses this year as being
blown by officials. He also cited Todd Marinovich, the much maligned backup
quarterback of the Raiders, as being instrumental in the present situation
of the Raiders being nearly eliminated from post-season play.
The Raiders Play the Miami Dolphins this weekend in what could be
a season ending game.
|
| 40.935 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Fri Dec 11 1992 17:47 | 1 |
| The fish will find a way to choke
|
| 40.936 | Hoot would make a great puppet...er I mean coach! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Sat Dec 12 1992 09:26 | 10 |
| Re .934
Haaa haa! Good one BG, I think old Hooter & the Parrott woulda loved
it, although the part about the faids getting burned by the zebras on
more than one occassion this year was more troof than exageration.
(sp?)
CG
|
| 40.937 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Mon Dec 14 1992 09:27 | 1 |
| RE-1 Zebras, And so has all the other teams
|
| 40.938 | Blowout in Miami.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Dec 14 1992 13:26 | 9 |
| In view of the Oilers, donks, browns all losing this weekend, I predict
a huge victory for the faids tonite over the dolphins. Howie will be
smiling like an alley cat devouring rotting fish from a trashcan.
Faids 34
fish 10
Carloskiwitz
|
| 40.939 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Mon Dec 14 1992 13:38 | 10 |
|
Yes Raiders win and will be 1 game back of both Hou and Miami.
We gotta finish ahead of Clev though because they beat us Head to head.
SD at home next week will be tough. Than into RFK. Hopefully
they'll be clinched by then so they'll coast.
Chappy.
|
| 40.940 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Mon Dec 14 1992 17:31 | 5 |
| Graspin there aren't ya Carlos?
Better check to see which note # the crow cafe is in.....
Tim
|
| 40.941 | Wait 'til nexted year.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Tue Dec 15 1992 08:23 | 17 |
| Well....I guess it was a wee bit of a grasp....the faids lose a close
one in Miami...:-)
Hey Chappy....SHREDDER SUCKS!
I shoulda known better than to get my hopes up, just like I shoulda
known Shredder would wait 'til he was on prime-time national
telly-vision to pull his patented Shredder choke hold on Miami.
The best thing I can say is that at least when TM chokes it's cause
he's still green.....I hope uncle Art wakes up and puts TM back in now
that Shredder's officially ended the season for the faids.
Tim...which way'd you say that there crow cafe note is at?
Carloski
|
| 40.942 | Hexed you own team.... | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Tue Dec 15 1992 09:54 | 4 |
| You need directions to the cafe? Can't you smell that bird just a
cookin'????
Tim
|
| 40.943 | Marcus Allen's Comments? | CSC32::J_HENSON | Faster than a speeding ticket | Tue Dec 15 1992 11:20 | 6 |
| Gee, I figured that someone would have something to say about Marcus
Allen's comments. He really slammed Al Davis, and accused him of
preventing him from making a living (loosely paraphrased), or something
similar. Are the L.A. papers picking up on this?
Jerry
|
| 40.944 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Tue Dec 15 1992 12:03 | 6 |
| I saw that clip on him last night, and I can't say I'm suprised.
Alot of team would like Marcus on their team. He just might get his
wish before next season, if he doesn't call it quits.
Tim
|
| 40.945 | Al's Been Jerkin' Marcus Around for Years | PISMO::PUGH | | Tue Dec 15 1992 14:04 | 13 |
| Yes, the LA Papers are all over this story this morning (headlines as big as
the game story), but to those who know Marcus, this is no surprise. The only
surprise is why it took him so long to officially go public.
Marcus Allen was the best high school football player I ever saw. And he
ain't been too bad in college (read Heismann) or the pros either. Uncle Al
is crazy for not using him. But then, being a Charger fan I'm glad he isn't
cuz otherwise the faiders would be playoff bound.
You Raider fans ought to start a discussion of whether Al has lost his so
called magic touch.
Doug
|
| 40.946 | #1 Raider in my Book........ | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Tue Dec 15 1992 14:55 | 12 |
|
I am a big fan of Marcus Allen and I too believe he is getting
the shaft from AL. But it is real hard saying anything to hard about
Uncle AL cuz he is the Architect of the greatest Sports franchise in
history, but in this case I believe he is dead wrong.
I wish Marcus luck. He would be a great acquisition to any team
he goes too next year.
Chappy
|
| 40.947 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:00 | 6 |
| re: .946
Amazing a Yankee fan with some objectivity :-)
The Crazy Met
|
| 40.948 | | MKFSA::LONG | | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:02 | 8 |
|
>> But it is real hard saying anything to hard about
>> Uncle AL cuz he is the Architect of the greatest Sports franchise in
>> history,
Easy does it, Chappy. You're beginning to sound like Hal!
Bill
|
| 40.949 | DOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOp | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:24 | 6 |
|
Re Bill UGHHHHHHH thems are fighting words..:-)
Re TCM Ah go by Tanana's 93 Baseball card...:-0
Chappy
|
| 40.950 | | FDCV07::KING | Be nice, I'm a Pheresis donor........... | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:28 | 7 |
|
Hmm.. Has any one EVER seen Chappy and Hal in the same room?????
REK
Me thinks the Celts would BURY the faiders as far as the dynasty
goes...
|
| 40.951 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:33 | 4 |
| I may be wrong but I think both REK and Hal were at the get together at OPP
when Hawk, Doc, Dinz were leaving.
The Crazy Met
|
| 40.952 | PY | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:40 | 6 |
|
REK, check out the Winning Pct's. Raiders Still lead overall. And
numbers don't lie. :-)
Chap
|
| 40.953 | Get a clue chappy! | FDCV07::KING | Be nice, I'm a Pheresis donor........... | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:47 | 7 |
| Hey Chappy, check out the championship record betweed the teo clubs..
Celts have won 35% of NBA, what have the Faiders done?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
REK
|
| 40.954 | Clueless **&&^&%^$%$# :-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Tue Dec 15 1992 15:59 | 12 |
|
Even Though I am a Celtic fan I'll prove i can pis$ as far as you.
How many Championships for the Celts??? 16
Yankees 22 So REK does this mean YOU think the Yankees
are the best Franchise of all time????
A Red Sox fan talking about clues. Huh. Get a 74 year clue
pick another team!!!!!
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| 40.955 | | FDCV07::KING | Be nice, I'm a Pheresis donor........... | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:02 | 6 |
| Chappy, 22 in what 90 years??? And NOBODY worth anything wants to play
in NY now.. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
REK
PS CHappy, I thought we were talking about the FAIDERS!!!!!!
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| 40.956 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:07 | 4 |
| REK amend .955 to play for the Yankees and we may be in agreement ...
oh no not that :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 40.957 | Uncle Al > LOU Gorman | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:29 | 14 |
|
It's been said earlier By me. But yup the Sox and Mets
really got lines of Free agents just waiting to sign Huh.
Unless your over 35 of Course.
Back to the Raiders. They have won 3 out of 4 SB's they
have been in and there overall Winning Percentage is # 1 in Pro Sports.
I am not saying dynasty just stating the facts Mams.
Chappy....
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| 40.958 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:33 | 14 |
| Guess some folks don't deal with facts and reality. Mets dod not pursue
free agents this year. In years where they have done so they got who
they wanted (ie Coleman, Bonilla, Murray). Some were good signing, some
were not, but the Mets did not need to offer a heap more money than
the other teams. The Yankees did pursue free agents this year. They paid
more for Key than they might have had to if they were not the Yankees,
offered more to Maddux than the Braves, and had an offer to Bonds that was
comparable to what he got from SF. They are the only team that seems to worry
that agents are using them as a bargaining chip; a real indication that they
themselves believe that they are at a disadvantage.
Not sure what the Yankees have to do in the Raiders note :-)
The Crazy Met
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| 40.959 | Great or very good != Dynasty | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:37 | 7 |
| Raiders have been very good for many years, but hardly qualify as
a dynasty. True dynasties in footbal would be the Packers in the mid 1960's,
the Steelers in the mid-late 1970's and the 49ers in the 1980's.
Teams that might be considered great but not quite dynasties would be the
Raiders in the early 1980's, Miami's 3 straight SB appearances.
The Crazy Met
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| 40.960 | Most successful ever???? | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie ate baby food!!! | Tue Dec 15 1992 16:41 | 12 |
|
� Back to the Raiders. They have won 3 out of 4 SB's they
� have been in and there overall Winning Percentage is # 1 in Pro Sports.
Isn't that like saying Dean Smif has the highest winning percentage of
any NCAA coach? How many champeenships?
I like the Raiders, but hell, even without the stats in front of me, I'd say
they're not even the most successful NFL franchise, leave along #1 in pro
sports. The best NFL franchise is probably either the Packers or the Bears.
=Bob=
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| 40.961 | but it DID take 4 | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Tue Dec 15 1992 20:32 | 18 |
|
A ways back, some rude comment was uttered about "Shredder Stinks"
and I feel I must make a comment!
Of course he does, Da ninja turtles and da rat tossed him into a
garbage truck! Doncha remember???????
IMO, anybody who gets tossed (can I say that here?) into a garbage
truck HAS GOT to stink - and bigtime too!
I remain,
Kev_for_Emily Latella!
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| 40.962 | Even after this mediocre season, they're still the winningest. | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Wed Dec 16 1992 08:23 | 18 |
| �I like the Raiders, but hell, even without the stats in front of me,
�I'd say they're not even the most successful NFL franchise, leave
�along #1 in pro sports. The best NFL franchise is probably either the
�Packers or the Bears.
�
�=Bob=
The Packers, and the Bears both have remarkable histories, but, since
the Raiders began (approx. 1960), neither the Bears, nor the Pack, NOR
any other sports franchise have enjoyed the same winning percentage as
the Raiders.....period.
Now if your talking ancient history (1940's, 1950's etc...etc..) then
yes, the Bears and the Pack were certainly among the best, but then
again...maybe it's only cause the Raiders weren't around yet. :-)
Carloski
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| 40.963 | Ninj, where are ya? | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie ate baby food!!! | Wed Dec 16 1992 09:08 | 8 |
| Once again, not having the statistics available, I hardly think that three
champeenships in thirty years matches the records of the Bears or Packers.
Hell the Packers have won five (I think) champeenships in those same years!
(I think the Pack won in 1961, 1962, 1966, and 1967.)
Once again, I like the Raiders, but the greatest franchise ever? Hardly.
=Bob=
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| 40.964 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Wed Dec 16 1992 09:30 | 7 |
|
Bob, The numbers don't lie. The Raiders Winning Pct. was at
57% the last time I saw it. NO OTHER team had a better winning PCT.
I believe the Celts were second.
Chap
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| 40.965 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie ate baby food!!! | Wed Dec 16 1992 09:37 | 14 |
| What we have here is a falture to communicate.
The prevailing sentiment in this file is that success is measured not by GAMES
won, but by CHAMPEENSHIPS won. That is why the consensus is that the
"legendary" Dean Smif is not the greatest coach ever, but a choke artist.
Following that logic, the Raiders are a good team, since in 30 years, they have
won three times as many chapmeenships as Dean. They are not, however, the most
successful team, even in football, even in the thirty years of their existance.
I'll say it again. The Raiders are a great team/franchise, but the greatest
ever, hardly.
=Bob=
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| 40.966 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Wed Dec 16 1992 09:58 | 26 |
| Once again, not having the statistics available, I hardly think that
three
champeenships in thirty years matches the records of the Bears or
Packers.
Hell the Packers have won five (I think) champeenships in those same
years!
(I think the Pack won in 1961, 1962, 1966, and 1967.)
=Bob=
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bob, there's something wrong with this logic. The Raiders won there
three championships in a span of about eight years...yet you say three
championships in thirty years, the amount of time since the Raiders
began. So then using your logic with the Pack, they've won five in
what...a hundred years? I'm no brain surgeon, but three in thirty
sounds alot better than five in one hundred.
�Once again, I like the Raiders, but the greatest franchise ever?
I don't know that anybodies said this, but I do know that what I said
earlier still stands --> Since the Raiders began, no other sports
franchise can match their winning percentage....period.
Carloskiwitz
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| 40.967 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie ate baby food!!! | Wed Dec 16 1992 10:26 | 39 |
|
� �Once again, I like the Raiders, but the greatest franchise ever?
� I don't know that anybodies said this, but I do know that what I said
� earlier still stands --> Since the Raiders began, no other sports
� franchise can match their winning percentage....period.
Somebody said it Carlos (see below). I don't question the Raider's greatness.
There were even times that they won with inferior talent (for one thing, I
think Kenny Stabler was overrated), because of their unyielding commitment to
winning.
My point was that in the SAME thirty years as the Raiders have been around, the
Pack won four (I think) champeenships. (If anyone has/knows this information,
please post it.) Over their history, the Packers have won many more than three
champeenships.
=Bob=
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I am a big fan of Marcus Allen and I too believe he is getting
the shaft from AL. But it is real hard saying anything to hard about
Uncle AL cuz he is the Architect of the greatest Sports franchise in
history, but in this case I believe he is dead wrong.
I wish Marcus luck. He would be a great acquisition to any team
he goes too next year.
Chappy
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| 40.968 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Wed Dec 16 1992 10:31 | 14 |
| Packers won 2 Super Bowls -- 1967, 1968
Packers won 8 NFL Championships -- 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966,
1967
Packers played in 10 NFL Championship Games, losing in 1938, 1960
hth,
'Saw
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| 40.969 | Kenny Stabler overated?? (&*&*^%&^$%$%%^$$% | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Wed Dec 16 1992 10:40 | 8 |
|
3 out of 30 10%
8 out of 100 Umm uh um um 8%
Wheres your logic Bob?
Chappy
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| 40.970 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Wed Dec 16 1992 10:52 | 15 |
| Oakland Raiders played in 3 AFL Championships -- 1967, 1968, 1969.
Oakland Raiders won 1 AFL Championship -- 1967
Oakland Raiders played in 4 Super Bowls -- 1968, 1977, 1981, 1984
Oakland Raiders won 3 Super Bowls -- 1977, 1981, 1984
(Oakland also counts LA Raiders too)
'Saw
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| 40.971 | Lotsa 8^) here... | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Melanie ate baby food!!! | Wed Dec 16 1992 11:03 | 32 |
| OK, I'm used to repeating myself - I have a three year old! 8^)
The Raiders started in 1961, right?
According to the information found by Mr. Way (thanks Saw):
�Packers won 2 Super Bowls -- 1967, 1968
�Packers won 8 NFL Championships -- 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966,
1967
Still with me?
Since 1961, the Packers have won champeenships these years: 1961, 1962, 1965,
1966, 1967 and 1968.
Still got it? Now count the years cited above. I've got six, what did you get?
Now unless I'm mistaken, six is larger than three, right?
Therefore, based on the logic that champeenships is the measure of success, the
Packers have been a more successful franchise over the past 30 years than the
Raiders.
Any questions?
=Bob=
PS - as I stated, the fact that I feel Kenny Stabler was overrated, and that
the Raiders still won with him is a tribute to their coaching and their
commitment to winning, so please don't take it the wrong way...
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| 40.972 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Wed Dec 16 1992 12:20 | 9 |
| I think in terms of overall winning pct, the Raiders are the most
successful team in the last 30 years.
Which almost turns this into an ACC type debate, where you're stacking
winning pct on one side, versus Championship on the other....
Interesting.....
'Saw
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| 40.973 | Raiders still better, IMHO! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Wed Dec 16 1992 12:22 | 23 |
| Ok...another way of looking at it:
I'm not sure how long the Pack has been around, but assuming they've
been around 70 years, and the faids have been around 30 years, then:
*the pack has played in 11 championship games in 70 years, so then,
out of 70 possible chapionship games the Pack has played in ~15%,
and they've won 9 championships out of a possible 70, giving them
~12%.
*the faids have played in 7 championship games in 30 years, so then,
out of a possible 30 championship games they've played in ~23%,
and they've won 4 championships out of 30 giving them ~13%.
It should also be mentioned that before the merger of the AFL & NFL,
there were fewer teams in each league to compete against, thus making
it easier for teams to win championships. And with this in mind, the
Pack was in the old NFL for at least 40 years, while the faids were in
the AFL for ~8 years before the merger, so all things considered the
Pack should have even more championships then they do. HtH
Carloski
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| 40.974 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Wed Dec 16 1992 12:58 | 1 |
| Please apply for yur marriage license down the hal ^))))))
|
| 40.975 | | CAMONE::WAY | Cheez-Whiz, Choice of Champions | Wed Dec 16 1992 13:06 | 34 |
| > *the pack has played in 11 championship games in 70 years, so then,
> out of 70 possible chapionship games the Pack has played in ~15%,
> and they've won 9 championships out of a possible 70, giving them
> ~12%.
Actually, after the merger of the two leagues, there is some interpretation
involved in determining the "championship". Today, the NFC and AFC
championship games "equate" to the old NFL and AFL championships.
> It should also be mentioned that before the merger of the AFL & NFL,
> there were fewer teams in each league to compete against, thus making
> it easier for teams to win championships. And with this in mind, the
> Pack was in the old NFL for at least 40 years, while the faids were in
> the AFL for ~8 years before the merger, so all things considered the
> Pack should have even more championships then they do. HtH
Here are the figures from 1933 through 1969
Chicago 9 played, 6 won
Detroit 5 played, 4 won
Green Bay 10 played, 8 won
Cleveland/LA 5 played, 2 won
NY Giants 14 played, 3 won
Washington 5 played, 2 won
Philly 4 played, 3 won
Clevland Browns 9 played, 4 won
That's a pretty fair representation......
'Saw
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| 40.976 | The Pack Is Back !!! The Raiders are finished ! | QUASER::HUNTER | The Often Quoted Big Game Hunter | Wed Dec 16 1992 18:32 | 10 |
| Well,
If that thats the case then the Broncos have won 4 `ships... ;^)
Seriously, you can not equate the great Packers to the upstart
Faiders. The Packers are by far the greatest football franchise
ever with the Bear right behid them. Take the Stats and push `em.
Tradition is what counts !!
BG
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| 40.977 | ImO | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Thu Dec 17 1992 08:52 | 12 |
|
You also can't equate any Pro teams success to a College teams
Success. Snuffy plays 40% of his games each year to inferior
talent...ie. Georgia Southern, Fla A&M.....etc. While Pro teams play
pro teams week after week.
Bottom line is no the Raiders have not won the most
Championships. But they do have the highest Winning Pct's in Pro
Sports.
Chappy
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| 40.978 | See, the donks have something to be proud of too! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Thu Dec 17 1992 11:17 | 13 |
| � Bottom line is no the Raiders have not won the most
�Championships. But they do have the highest Winning Pct's in Pro
�Sports. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gee, I guess I never noticed it before, but the doinks and faids have
alot more in common than I thought. The faids have the highest winning
percentage, while the doinks have the highest whining percentage in all
of Pro sports.....:-)
C. Griegowitz
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| 40.979 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | The QB shuffle stinks | Thu Dec 17 1992 12:51 | 2 |
| Thats funny, I didn't know Marcus Allen, Eric Bickerson, Jay Shrader
and Toad Maranovich played for the broncos.....
|
| 40.980 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Dec 28 1992 12:55 | 18 |
| The faids ended their season, on a very positive note on Saturday, with
an outstanding last second come from behind victory over the Redskins
in D.C.. Shredder's still sipping (Chappy...) as usual, which is why he
was pulled in the second quarter, in favor of grampa Evans, who came
out and did a terrific job for the faids. Nick Bell also had a great
day at starting RB. They shoulda been using both these guys all season.
The Redskins needed a win to secure a playoff spot, but as it turned
out they're in anyhow cause the Pack lost to the Vikings. The Raider
defense played brilliantly too.
In other faider news, there's speculation that Art Shell might be
unemployed pretty soon....and might possibly be replaced by the faiders
QB coach Mike White. I personally don't think it'll happen, but then
again it might be a welcome change.....Shell is to passive on the side
lines, they need somebody more like Madden used to be.
Carloski
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| 40.981 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Dec 29 1992 10:21 | 5 |
| I think it would be a huge mistake for the Faids to get rid of Shell.
He's the perfect coach for the Raiders IMO.
Joe
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| 40.982 | faiders stink and HOOTSIE owes me $20.00 | QUASER::HUNTER | The Often Quoted Big Game Hunter | Tue Dec 29 1992 14:40 | 19 |
| Uncle Al might as well fire Art and walk the side lines himself
with his stupid sunglasses and his mafia hair style. I mean what
the hecks the difference any HOOT... He's running the whole $%^&*^$%
show anyway (and right into the dirt I might add). At any rate,
I've once again won my standing bet with Uncle Hootsie that the
Donks finish higher in the standings than the Faiders so I'm a
happy camper. Carloskiwitz, Pray that Art stays and that he grows
some eggs and stands up to Uncle Al the mobster and runs the team
the way it should be. If he doesn't, the Faiders will take the spot
of SD at the bottom of the AFC west for some time to come.
BG
P.S. I shutter to think that Pat Bowlen might be becoming another
Uncle Al. I mean... He fires a winning coach (.500 + over all
and .700 + at home) over a control issue. I my self would
have fired Dan for his total lack of creativity and talent
picking. Bowlen wears the right clothes to become the next
Uncle.
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| 40.983 | Raiders should fire Art | ROCK::MURPHY | John Elway - Girly Mon Supreme! | Tue Dec 29 1992 16:46 | 5 |
| And hire Ditka...
You heard it here first...
Murph
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| 40.984 | another first! :-) | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Dec 29 1992 16:52 | 5 |
| We've had so many "heard it hear first today" that someone will be able
to make a case for being the one to predict just about anything that
happens in sports for the next year!
The Crazy Met
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| 40.985 | My vote....if'n Shell gets replaced! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Tue Dec 29 1992 17:18 | 11 |
| I'd rather have Buddy Ryan than Ditka, or anybody else. He'd bring back
the toughness, and dirty player image the faids have had in the past.
Although I personally don't think that any of the faids have ever been
dirty players......just meaner than rattlesnakes.
Carloski
P.S. Uncle Al is Pat Bowlen's hero, and Pat hopes to someday become
as great an owner and football wizard as Uncle Al. HtH :-)
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| 40.986 | | QUASER::HUNTER | The Often Quoted Big Game Hunter | Tue Dec 29 1992 17:34 | 6 |
|
Ryan or Ditka would never be hired by Uncle Al... They have the balls
to stand up to him. Al's a Bum and I hope Bowlen gets over this
fetish. i'm outta here for the week... Have fun girls !!
BG
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| 40.987 | Ditka's Balls | ROCK::MURPHY | John Elway - Girly Mon Supreme! | Wed Dec 30 1992 09:57 | 12 |
|
Ryan or Ditka would never be hired by Uncle Al... They have the balls
to stand up to him.
Actually, Ditka has had little control of off the field operations such
as player slection and signing holdouts. McCaskey controls the show. But
Ditka knew that before he went in... the Halas family has been notoriously
cheap and controls their team to that end. But hey, that's the family
business, e.g. they are not Eddie Debartalo
Murph
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| 40.988 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Wed Dec 30 1992 15:03 | 22 |
|
My New Years gift list for the Raiders.. (please AL read this and
act on it)..
1 Cut Scroeder
2 Cut Dickerson
3 Keep Marcus ( I know this won't happen)
4 Go get a couple of LB's either with the 12th pick or free agency.
5 Get out of the Coliseum (no fan noise no 12th man)
6 Sign or trade for either (Montana, Esiason, Carlson, or Testaverde)
7 If Marinovich don't like it Cut that druggie too!!!!!
8 Leave the Defensive line alone (strongest part of the team)
9 Gotta get T.Brown more involved with the offense(Marinovich and
Schroeder can't get him the ball (see #6) find someone who can.
10 Give Ronnie Lott (best safety in football a new 3 yr contract)
Do this uncle Al and we're back on the way to contention.....
Chappy
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| 40.989 | Heh Heh,,,,, | SALEM::KUPTON | Red Sox - More My Age | Wed Dec 30 1992 15:14 | 2 |
| The Pat's will just give them Jeff Carlson...you don't have to
wish................8^)
|
| 40.990 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Wed Dec 30 1992 15:22 | 10 |
|
Cody not Jeff....:-)
Just think I was thinking about giving you Sarunas too Ken...
Tsk tsk tsk..
Chappy
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| 40.991 | Just wait til nexted year! | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Thu Dec 31 1992 11:55 | 23 |
| �1 Cut Scroeder
Cut Schroeder!!! Gee Chappy, I thought Shredder was your hero, now yu
wanna cut him?
�2 Cut Dickerson
I disagree. He ain't the same old Dickerson, but he still is alot
better RB than alot of teams got right now, and he really started
coming on strong at the end of the season. I would, however, like for
Eric to be moved to the #2 RB behind Nick Bell, or even #3 behind
Marcus and Bell....but like you said, the faids keeping Marcus proberly
ain't gonna happen.
Lasted night on ESPN it was reported that Uncle Al says that he's not
gonna fire Shell, and that if this free agency thing goes through, that
he's gonna go out and get everybody they need. You know that's true
too, especially considering how well the faids have done in the plan
'b' market. With free agency the Raiders will be one of the more
aggressive teams, and will likely be one of the biggest benefiters.
Carloski
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| 40.992 | TM SIPS......... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Thu Dec 31 1992 12:17 | 5 |
|
BTW Carlos Schroeder is or never was my hero I just think he's
better than That no armed, dancing footed, Coke sniffing, QB choice of
yours. :-)
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| 40.993 | :-) | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Thu Dec 31 1992 13:05 | 9 |
| Oh yeah...well, while that no armed, dancing footed, Coke sniffing, QB
choice of mine was putting up numbers averaging about 230 yards/game
(even went as high as 395 yards once) old Shredder was putting up
numbers closer to ~90 yards/game. The only other difference between
these two QB's is that TM is young and inexperienced....Shredder isn't.
Carlos
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| 40.994 | Committment to Freebasing?????????? | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Thu Dec 31 1992 13:22 | 7 |
|
Carlos how many games did we win with Todd as the Starter? 2
Schroeder started in the 5 wins.
Just win Baby
Chappy....
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| 40.995 | OK, one more time...... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu Dec 31 1992 13:44 | 10 |
|
Yabbut youze guys always forget that Shredder got stuffed into a
garbage truck and squished!
Doncha 'memeber?
I remain,
'membering
Kev
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| 40.996 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | A2 brings out the hypocrites | Sat Jan 02 1993 13:21 | 6 |
| I love it, faider fans debating whose their better/WORSE QB!!
I wouldn't give shreader the win in washington since it was old man
evans that won that game for them, even though shred did start.
Tim
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| 40.997 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Jan 04 1993 10:02 | 1 |
| Has Marinovich failed a drug test recently or something?
|
| 40.998 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Jan 04 1993 11:36 | 17 |
| �Has Marinovich failed a drug test recently or something?
I haven't heard of TM failing any drug test's recently.
I guess some people think that other people who screw up and make
mistakes can never change ??? I'm not saying that TM's a new person,
cause I don't know him....but, like I said, I haven't heard of him
failing any test's recently. Since we're on the subject, I'd be willing
to bet that if you were to eliminate all the players in the NFL that
have ever done an illegal drug, that there wouldn't be much of a league
left. I also think that this pretty much goes for this SPORTS notes
conference, and even worse, a very large portion of our nation. So, how
some people can single out one person (TM) and blast them eternally
even though they've demonstrated that they are clean now...is beyond
me.
Carlos
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| 40.999 | This is how ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Mon Jan 04 1993 11:58 | 11 |
| Carlos,
It's all "da schroom effect", attributable to dInZ putting halugenic
stuff in Chainsaw's gahden!
good stuff too!
I remain,
'splaining it all for I know!
Kev
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| 40.1000 | got it! | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Mon Jan 04 1993 11:58 | 1 |
|
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| 40.1001 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:17 | 11 |
| Hi Kev...
�Got it!
hmmmm....lessee, because dInZ planted shrooms in 'Saw's gahden, now
Chappy (and others) can forever blast Marinovich for having used
illegal drugs in his past....nope, I guess I don't get it. Splain-it to
me...
Carloski
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| 40.1002 | da "flashback" effect does it to them. hth ;^) | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:19 | 1 |
|
|
| 40.1003 | sorta like catnip, doncha know.... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:20 | 1 |
|
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| 40.1004 | Shroomnip ??? | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:38 | 2 |
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| 40.1005 | Kev never exhaled! 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Why George why? Because it's there! | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:45 | 1 |
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| 40.1006 | Sorry,no more drug references .... | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | No. 3 Looms over FENWAY | Mon Jan 04 1993 12:55 | 10 |
|
I'm not blasting TM for taking illegal drugs in the past. I'm
blasting him cuz he Suc$s and he hasn't got a Pro QB arm or the
instincts or anything else that a good young QB should have. I being a
fan who is use to having his team win, Does not want to experiment in 3
or 4 years of mediocrity while they experiment with this jughead.
(ie....Mark Wilson...)
Chappy
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| 40.1007 | Give him a little more time.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Mon Jan 04 1993 14:27 | 17 |
| � -< Sorry,no more drug references .... >-
Ok, man, it's cool......
BTW, I too am a faider fan that's used to his team winning, and I don't
want another Marc Wilson back their either (I'd take Shredder any day
over Wilson), but I just think that your jumping the gun on TM.
I don't really know what you consider to be a Pro QB arm either, but
but if you mean having a 50mm canon like Shredder & Bucky then no he
ain't got that, but neither does Montana and he's done just fine in the
NFL. TM's arm, and style of throwing is very similar to Montana's, he's
got a touch on his passes but he can also throw bullets and bombs if
needed. JMHO
Carloski
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| 40.1008 | 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Why George why? Because it's there! | Mon Jan 04 1993 15:06 | 6 |
| Hey!
I know Joe Montana, and believe me, TM is no Joe Montana!
HTH,
MikeL
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| 40.1009 | Uncle Al's plan | FRETZ::HEISER | arms raised in a V | Mon Jan 04 1993 18:32 | 2 |
| Boomer will be the next QB for the Raiders (a desparately needed one
too!). He'll be great for the silver & black.
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| 40.1010 | Go with Joe | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Mon Jan 04 1993 18:40 | 6 |
| Forget Boomer.
Bring in Joe Montana. He's rumored to be leaving SF at the end of the
season and the Raiders would be a natural.
TTom
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| 40.1011 | stick a fork in Joe, he's too old | FRETZ::HEISER | arms raised in a V | Mon Jan 04 1993 20:00 | 1 |
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| 40.1012 | No comparison.... | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Tue Jan 05 1993 14:26 | 18 |
| �Hey! I know Joe Montana, and believe me, TM is no Joe Montana!
Agreed Mike, TM is nowhere near the QB Joe is, but when Joe started out
he also was nowhere near the QB he is now. Any Montana fans out there
remember what his first two or three years in the league were like?
None of this matters anyhow cause I wasn't trying to compare TM to JM,
(it would be kinda hard since JM's career is just about over and TM's
is just starting....heck who knows, by the time TM's done he might far
outdo Montana...then again he could also turn out to be a big-time
bust...who knows?)
Alls I was saying was that they have similar styles of throwing the ball,
which are different from Elway's or Shredder's 90mph fast balls. I was
assuming that this is what Chappy considered to be Pro QB arms...?
Carloskiwitz :-)
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| 40.1013 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | the dream is always the same... | Tue Jan 05 1993 14:59 | 3 |
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Joe will be in Minnesota next year... bank on it.
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| 40.1014 | He's still a mafioso bum !! | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 15:33 | 7 |
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Joe will go to the Raiders... Ifn he don't Boomer would be a good
second choice for Uncle Al.
I know that I'm usually very hard on Uncle Al but I have to hand it
to him on his stand against the proposed agreement with the players.
Free agency will ruin the NFL. Stand Tall, Al...
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| 40.1015 | Just one more reason to dislike Al Davis... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 05 1993 15:44 | 15 |
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> I know that I'm usually very hard on Uncle Al but I have to hand it
> to him on his stand against the proposed agreement with the players.
> Free agency will ruin the NFL. Stand Tall, Al...
Baloney. Uncle Al just sabotaged the owners' last good faith efforts
to make peace with the players after five years of animosity and chaos.
Let's face it, when it comes to money, good ol' Hall of Fame Al
would ditch the Raider family and mystique and all that crap and sell
out his own mother if he had to. We saw that all too well with the
abandonment of Oakland, the lawsuits against the NFL, the con jobs with
Irwindale and Oakland again, etc., etc.
glenn
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| 40.1016 | The situation would be right for him here | ANGLIN::WIERSBECK | Remember Twins/Braves in '91? | Tue Jan 05 1993 15:56 | 9 |
| I would not be surprised at all to see Montana here in Minnesota next
year. With Green coaching and Craig here the SF influence may help.
I know Montana's going to want to be protected and the Vikes have a
pretty good offensive line. The one major area they need improvement
is at QB. I honestly believe that with Montana they have a very good
shot at winning it all next year.
Spud
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| 40.1017 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 16:23 | 10 |
|
Glenn,
the owners were about to sell the farm. The players version of free
agency would ruin the nfl. Football is a very team oriented sport.
you need consistency especially on the o-line. With free agency the
good team would be those with the bucks. that sucks !! Thank again AL
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BG
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| 40.1018 | Regardless, the league needs a settlement, desperately | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 05 1993 16:38 | 23 |
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> the owners were about to sell the farm. The players version of free
> agency would ruin the nfl. Football is a very team oriented sport.
> you need consistency especially on the o-line. With free agency the
> good team would be those with the bucks. that sucks !! Thank again AL
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The owners were offering free agency after five years with the right to
retain at least one (and possibly more) "franchise player". The average
NFL career is over in less than five years. Somehow, some way, the sport
manages to overcome that kind of massive injury-induced personnel
turnover. Hell, Al Davis should know more than anybody that even a team
comprised of cast-offs from other organizations can be put together and
made a winner. Davis made a living doing so, back when being a Raider
meant something!
Besides, none of this will mean a damn thing after da judge decides to
hold the NFL to the laws of the land and releases every player not under
contract to free agency anyway. Now *that* will be chaos. Thanks
Uncle Al!!!!!!
glenn
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| 40.1019 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Jan 05 1993 16:40 | 5 |
| �With free agency the
� good team would be those with the bucks.
They said that about baseball 20 someodd years ago. It wasn't true
then, it isn't true now, and it won't be true with football.
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| 40.1020 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 17:07 | 20 |
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Yea... And tickets alread top $35.00. With the $$$$ slinging that is
sure to follow free agency an average guy like me won't be able to
afford to go to a game. I'm on the list for season tickets for the
Broncos and hope to get the nod in the next few years. with free
agency I won't be able to afford them when the time comes.
HTH
BG
P.s. I believe that free agency in some form is good... But not in the
form that it was almost agreed upon. That 5 years stat is
greatly skewed by loser bums that are drafted and never take the
field... the players that are gonna get the bucks and are the
ones whos careers last 10-15 years. These are the same players
that will drasticly effect the teams they leave/go to. There
needs to be some control and protection for the teams.
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| 40.1021 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Jan 05 1993 17:10 | 5 |
| � Yea... And tickets alread top $35.00. With the $$$$ slinging that is
� sure to follow free agency an average guy like me won't be able to
� afford to go to a game.
Most of the money comes from TV, not from the gate.
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| 40.1022 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 17:41 | 7 |
|
You really think that ticket prices won't sky rocket... Wake up.
And as far as TV goes, you'll be paying to watch football on cable
or worse yet pay per view... Yea, free agency will be great for the
players but the fans will pay the price
BG
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| 40.1023 | You mean NFL owners have been giving us a break? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 05 1993 18:02 | 18 |
|
> You really think that ticket prices won't sky rocket... Wake up.
> And as far as TV goes, you'll be paying to watch football on cable
> or worse yet pay per view... Yea, free agency will be great for the
> players but the fans will pay the price
You'll pay whether there's free agency or not. How can you use an
argument that the ticket prices are too high already under the current
system to defend that system? Let's face it, NFL owners will charge
what they think they can get. I stopped going to Foxborough four years
ago primarily for that very reason...
Baseball, with the most liberal of all free agent systems, is still the
best ticket bargain in sports. Hockey and football are probably the
worst, with the most limitations on free agency.
glenn
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| 40.1024 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 18:11 | 16 |
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I never said that current prices were to high. And, with 160+ games
per team, per year baseball tickets should be cheap. I don't have the
stats but I'd be willing to bet that relatively successful baseball
teams surpasses the attendance of a relatively successful football team
within the first half of the baseball season. One more fact... over
1/3 of baseball teams a money losers... I wonder why, could it be the
absolutely outragous money being paid to players... Nah... That
couldn't have anything to do with it.
I can't believe you can defend the money made in baseball and want to
see the samething in football... Big Al did us a favor... Thank him !
BG
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| 40.1025 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | A2 brings out the hypocrites | Tue Jan 05 1993 18:24 | 2 |
| Where did you get this fact of 1/3 of baseballs teams are losing $$
BG?
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| 40.1026 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Tue Jan 05 1993 18:32 | 7 |
| Just heard it on one of those year in review shows a few days back.
they were talking about how major league salaries skyrocketed this
year and the firing of Fey and the financial status fo the league.
they really said some percentasge but it was close to 1/3 if I remember
correctly.
BG
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| 40.1027 | Owners weren't "giving" anything away... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jan 06 1993 09:28 | 17 |
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> I can't believe you can defend the money made in baseball and want to
> see the samething in football... Big Al did us a favor... Thank him !
You're missing the point, BG. The football deal included a percentage
revenue cut for the players, an individual team salary cap with no
strict minimum, and salary restrictions for draftees (NFL pay for
unproven rookies is the one area that's really gotten out of hand).
This was negotiated between the owners and players after many years of
bickering and represented a *compromise*, a compromise much less
appealing to the players than baseball's system. Al Davis is a control
freak who doesn't want to give up anything, and nuked the compromise.
Now Judge Doty may impose just about anything, up to and including
total free agency and the abolition of the draft. Face it, Uncle Al is
a bum!
glenn
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| 40.1028 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Jan 06 1993 10:43 | 7 |
| � Baseball, with the most liberal of all free agent systems, is still the
� best ticket bargain in sports. Hockey and football are probably the
� worst, with the most limitations on free agency.
I think part of that is attributable to the longer baseball season
(more games), and the lack of a big TV contract (in the case of
hockey).
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| 40.1029 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Jan 06 1993 10:45 | 6 |
| �One more fact... over
� 1/3 of baseball teams a money losers... I wonder why, could it be the
� absolutely outragous money being paid to players...
I question the fact above. It is a fact that about 50% of MLB's
revenues went to player salaries last year.
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| 40.1030 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Wed Jan 06 1993 11:31 | 10 |
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Well, Maybe fact is a bit of a strong word... I heard it on one of
those year in review programs on TV... At any rate, I do agree with
many aspects of the near aggrement. I like the Cap, I like the Rookie
pay limits but this "Compromise" was not the best thing for FB.
Granted, what is imposed by the courts may not be either. 99% of the
time I would agree with you about Uncle Al... In fact I'm usually the
first to slam him. This time I think he did us (the fan) a favor.
BG
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| 40.1031 | | ELMAGO::CGRIEGO | Put your hope in God! | Wed Jan 06 1993 12:22 | 21 |
| In all these notes I haven't seen one mention of the other NFL owner
who was also involved in this conflict of interests, or what Uncle Al
is arguing about. IMHO the president of the Rams orginization has done
more to stall the agreements than AD. Alls Uncle Al wants is a little
more control (6 month deadline for free agents to sign) for all the
owners, so's that their teams will be able to keep somewhat of a
nucleus to work around. The Rams' president started going back and
complaining about everything else that they've already reached
agreement on....
Uncle Al's induction into the HoF was no fluke, and he got there
because of his football smarts (both the business, and game aspects of
the sport), and for this reason Al Davis is always gonna be one of the
most outspoken of owners around......he knows what's going on, and if
anybody has really gone into great detail about how all this
free-agency stuff is gonna affect the game of football (NFL) as we know
it today and hopefully tommorrow....you can bet it's good old Uncle Al.
Keep up the good work AD.
Carloski
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| 40.1032 | | QUASER::HUNTER | Big Game... On The BOLTS Bandwagon | Wed Jan 06 1993 16:16 | 4 |
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Hey... Wheres my thank you for sticking up for Uncle Al.
BG
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| 40.1033 | NOT!!!!!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | I want 9999 | Wed Jan 06 1993 16:17 | 6 |
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Thanks BG....... It really meant alot I know it warmed my heart as it
must have warmed Carlos'''''s
Chappy
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| 40.1034 | Whatever Al says or does must be right, because he's Al... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jan 06 1993 16:39 | 19 |
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> ...he knows what's going on, and if
> anybody has really gone into great detail about how all this
> free-agency stuff is gonna affect the game of football (NFL) as we know
> it today and hopefully tommorrow....you can bet it's good old Uncle Al.
Geez... obviously to some Uncle Al can absolutely do no wrong, and
walks on water while avoiding it. I suppose that when Uncle Al
made the decision to sell out the people of Oakland that he also
examined how it would "affect the game of football (NFL) as we know it".
And the same when he filed suit against the NFL and testified against
the NFL in the USFL lawsuit. All good things for the game of football
and the NFL, no doubt.
Let's be serious. Al Davis' track record is as plain as day: Al Davis
does what's good for Al Davis, period.
glenn
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| 40.1035 | ;-) | FRETZ::HEISER | arms raised in a V | Wed Jan 06 1993 17:36 | 2 |
| Wouldn't Uncle Al and Ditka be perfect for each other and the Silver &
Black image?
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