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    Hagan had surgery on is kneecap last night, and the outlook is they
    won't know for 4-6 months how well he could recover, if at all. 
    Meanwhile, I heard a report on the radio this morning that Charles
    Johnson is giving up football.  If this is true and Hagan redshirts
    next year or his career is over, Vance Joseph would be the CU
    quarterback for next year.
    
    At Nebraska, I heard that Mickey Joseph may miss spring practice due to
    his injury.
    
    Joe

    
    	It was a ruptured patella tendon, which I would imagine is similiar
    to a ruptured achillies tendon.  Definetely an injury that will take
    considerable rehab time.
    
    						 glen j.
    
    

    Only a few bright spots for Nebraska. They are:
    
    	Haase (Quarterback)
    	Brown (Halfback)
    	Mitchell (Tight End)
    
    If Osborne starts Joseph or Grant (Heaven forbid Grant) over Haase
    next year I'll be upset. Hasse can throw the ball and is a cool head,
    reminds me of Gdowski. Brown is a tremendous freshman talent at
    halfback and Mitchell is already awsome as a freshman. Now if they can
    just build up the offensive line to where it once was. I think they
    should recruite for offensive lineman rather than just rely on home
    grown Nebraska boys that walk on.
    
    The dark spots are:
    
    	Offensive line
    	Defense
    
    Nebraska lost 3 out of it's last 4 games. The closest loss of those 3
    was by 14 to Colorado. They had only 3 difficult opponents all season
    and lost to all 3.
    
    For several years now people have talked about how consistent Nebraska
    has been. How they may not have won a national championship but they
    are consistently competitive and never lacking at least a shot at
    mythical number 1. They've talked about how even the great ones such
    as Oklahoma, Penn State etc have had letdown years, but not Nebraska.
    
    Well, I guess that "letdown" year has come at Nebraska. I dont think
    that is anything to be ashamed of. It had to happen sooner or later.
    Hey, Nebraska is not the only team to get blown out this New Years Day.
    
    I think Nebraska will be back. Osborne will now be under EXTREME
    pressure in the state of Nebraska. I think he will survive this but
    if next year is the same then he could possibly be history. But you
    never know. Things have a way of turning around in the wacky world
    of sports.
    
    As for Colorado? I dont think they should be number 1. And they arent
    in the Coaches poll. I base this on 3 or 4 things:
    
    	Georgia Tech did beat 4 bowl teams, and they beat Nebraska much
    	worse than Colorado did. They were impressive.
    
    	There is no precidence whatsoever for an undefeated team NOT
    	getting number 1 when they are the ONLY undefeated team.
    
    	Colorado had 1 loss, 1 tie, and 1 game handed to them on an
    	officials blunder - the infamous 5th down. A team like CU should
    	have not even been in position to loose a game vs a pud team
    	like Mizzou. I'm sorry CU fans, but the 5th down will keep comming
    	up and keep comming up because the majority outside of the state
    	of Colorado feel that it should have bearing on who's #1.
    
    	Colrado's victory over ND was a great victory, but it was not
    	impressive. In fact, they were saved by the clip from sudden
    	defeate at the hands of Rocket.
    
    For those reasons, I believe GT should be #1. There should be no doubt
    according to past precident. But then again, when has the poll system
    been consistent and logical ?????????????????
    
    I do believe that CU is a better team than they were last year. I still
    feel that they played over their heads a little last year. But this
    year they were for real. If they hadent lost to Illinois, who by the
    way, got blown out Jan 1, then they would have a solid claim to #1.
    
    This was a crazy college football season and I think that this is only
    starting. There is more parity than ever before. The old ratings system
    will not work under these circumstances.
    
    			IT IS TIME FOR A PLAYOFF !!!
    
    Oh well, on to basketball. My Huskers actually look pretty decent this
    year. Not final 4 material but a strong team. I heard Danny Nee (Husker
    hoops coach) say that their goal is to make it to the NCAA.
    
    				GO BIG RED Hoops !!!
    
    Happy New Year to all,
    
    Nebraska Marty

    re: my own .4
    
    I know that you CU fans will disagree. So go ahead and re: .3  ...
    
    
    ...GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY !!!
    
    ;^)
    
    Still loyal Nebraska Marty

    
    Bugeater Marty,
    
    	NU lost by 15 to CU, not 14.  Consider your day made!
    
    Claybroon

    
    >	There is no precidence whatsoever for an undefeated team NOT
    >	getting number 1 when they are the ONLY undefeated team.
    
    I've heard this "precedence" argument a couple of times now and it's
    simply untrue.  In 1975, the voters in both polls recognized 11-1 
    Oklahoma as national champs over an undefeated and untied 12-0 Arizona
    St. team from the WAC, and rightly so.  The Oklahoma teams of 1973-75
    lost just that one game and were one of the greatest collections of
    talent of all time.  In 1982, the voters in both polls recognized 11-1 
    Penn State as champs over 11-0-1 SWC champ SMU, and again rightly so.
    There is most definitely precedence for rewarding the national
    championship to a consensus "best" team, even one without the best
    record in the country.
    
    glenn
      

    
    Marty, We know it's hard to take But............like it or Not 
    CU is NO#1 and cry cry cry over the 5th down which CU had no 
    control over and cry cry cry about CU beating (Can't WIN a Bowl
    game CornHuskers)by 14/15 pts and all 27 points came in the 4th
    Quater. CU Ended The Post Season NO#1 in Both Polls and all They		
    had to do was WIN and Everybody Knew It to be NO#1. But Everybody 
    didn't think they would WIN they thought CU would choke like last
    But can you says Surprise.:-)
    
    YES!!! THE DREAM HAS COME TRUE FOR CU...............
    AND NOTHING BUT A NIGHTMARE FOR NU....McCartney accomplished what
    Osborne didn't BRING HOME NO#1. You'll have to live with that ALL YEAR LONG.
    
    So Go ahead and Cry.........Oh Yes and I do give Credit to GT for great
    Season and if they would have Been rated NO#1 at the end of the 
    Season and beat a ND team(any team) by 1 point I would have gave it to them.
    But they didn't....So! :-)
    
    And you of all people should want to see the BIG 8 WIN IT ALL
    Shame Shame Shame.:-)
    
    One More Thing I Just Like to Dedicate this NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
    TITLE to all the Coaches and Players in The BIG 8 Conference.
    
    " ALL YEAR LONG CU BUFFS NO#1...WE LOVE IT!!! "
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
                                        
     

re: .8
    
    >    Marty, We know it's hard to take But............like it or Not 
>    CU is NO#1 and cry cry cry over the 5th down which CU had no 
>    control over and cry cry cry about CU beating (Can't WIN a Bowl
>    game CornHuskers)by 14/15 pts and all 27 points came in the 4th
>    Quater. CU Ended The Post Season NO#1 in Both Polls and all They		
>    had to do was WIN and Everybody Knew It to be NO#1. But Everybody 
>    didn't think they would WIN they thought CU would choke like last
>    But can you says Surprise.:-)
    
    Gee do ya maybee thunk that if ya slowed down and did yer wright'n
    with yer brain instead of rattl'n off a bunch of slur that just maybee
    us other noters might find yur note maybee just a little more readable?
    
    Correction, Cu is #1 in one of the 2 polls, and the one they are ranked
    2nd in is the coaches poll.
    
    NU does suck in bowls lately. No doubt. I think that most NU fans have
    come to grips by now that this (and last years) Huskers are not what they
    used to be. Us NU fans have nothing to cry about this year. NU is not
    a top-10 quality team. It's just that simple.
    
    >    One More Thing I Just Like to Dedicate this NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
>    TITLE to all the Coaches and Players in The BIG 8 Conference.
    
    I'm in awe of your self granted authority.
    
>    " ALL YEAR LONG CU BUFFS NO#1...WE LOVE IT!!! "
    
    Yes, they are #1 all year long now...
    
    ...both them and Georgia Tech.
    
    It's * EXTREMELY * hard to stay on top. Especially when you share that
    top spot.
        
        re: .7
    
    glenn, you make a very good argument. I stand corrected about the
    precident thing.
    
    * However *
    the coaches in the UPI poll disagree with the logic you present so
    there must be some difference between those years and this year.
    Perhaps that difference is that CU does have a loss * AND * a tie.
    Plus the 5th down thing does hurt CU. Like it or not. Every national
    discussion (ESPN, CBS, etc) that I have seen on TV brings it up as
    soon as CU is mentioned. It's just a fact and it is hurting CU.
    The fact that it's not CU's fault (and it isent) is not the issue.
    The issue is that they most likely would have lost to a vastly
    inferior team if not for the gift. I personally would have a hard
    time voting a team in that position #1 when they have a loss AND
    a tie with it.
      
    re: .6
    
>    Bugeater Marty,
    
    Bugeaters, yes there it is. Please note here that is was * NOT * a
    Nebraska fan that started slinging mud via names. Besides, I think the
    "Bugeaters" thing is funny. It's also aplicable this year.  ;^)
    
    Are you now giving me license to call CU the "5th downers", the
    "Colorado Clippers" the "turf whiners" etc ???
    
>    	NU lost by 15 to CU, not 14.  Consider your day made!
    
    I dont claim to be a math wizzard, but last time I subtracted 13 from
    27 it came out to be 14. Not that it realy makes any big difference.
    
    Yes, you just made my day.
    
    Huskers will be back. Maybee next year, maybee not. But they * WILL *
    be back !!! Remember my words.
    
    Nebraska Marty

    The final score of the CU-NU game was 27-12.
    
    RE: Coaches poll
    This year's AP vote was the fifth closest in history.  The 2nd
    closest vote in history was last year, with Miami edging ND.  However,
    last year's UPI poll also gave Miami the top spot, so this year's
    coaches poll displays another form of inconsistency.  But the biggest
    fallacy of it IMO remains the fact that the coaches gave CU a 38-7
    advantage in first-place votes in the final regular season poll, yet
    swayed considerably after New Year's Day.  AP only swayed slightly.
    
    There is a report that CU and GT may meet in the Kickoff Classic in the
    Meadowlands, but it is very premature.  If it were to come about, I'm
    sure Tech would be the favorite, because it sounds like they have a lot
    of starters returning, while CU will be losing 13 starters, including 3
    All-Americans.
    
    Joe

    
    	I ask your forgiveness Marty.  I didn't realize NU fans
    	were offended by the name "Bugeater".  Wasn't that a 
    	common nickname for NU?  No mudslingin' intended.......
    
    	Call CU whatever you want.........NATIONAL CHAMPS WOULD
    	BE NICE! 
    
    	And, yes, 13 from 27 is 14..................if that were
    	the score ;^)
    
    	Cl;aybroon

  After playing one of the toughest schedules in the country in 1990, CU's 
  schedule for 1991 is much easier. However, they'll need it as they will
  lose all of their star player's to graduation and injuries(Hagan).

  	Sep 7	Wyoming
  	Sep 14	Baylor
  	Sep 21	Minnesota
  	Sep 28	at Standford
  	Oct 12	Missouri
  	Oct 19	at Oklahoma
  	Oct 26  at Kansas State
  	Nov  2  Nebraska
  	Nov  9	at Oklahoma State
  	Nov 16  Kansas
  	Nov 23  at Iowa State

  						Keith


	     Future Nebraska Football Schedules

#3 1991
#4 1991

		Sep. 7	Utah State - HOME
		     14 Colorado State
		     21 Washington - HOME
		     28 Arizona State
		Oct. 12 Oklahoma State
		     19 Kansas State - HOME
		     26 Missouri
		Nov.  2 Colorado
		      9 Kansas - HOME
		     16 Iowa State
		     23 Oklahoma - HOME
		
		
#3 1992
#4 1992
	
		Sep.  5 Utah - HOME
		     12 Temple - HOME
		     19 Washington
		     26 Arizona State - HOME
		Oct. 10 Oklahoma State - HOME
		     17 Kansas State
		     24 Missouri - HOME
		     31 Colorado - HOME
		Nov.  7 Kansas
		     14 Iowa State - HOME
		     21 Oklahoma
		
		
#3 1993
#4 1993
	
		Sep.  4 Wyoming - HOME
		     11 Texas Tech - HOME
		     18 UCLA
		     25 Colorado State - HOME
		Oct.  9 Oklahoma State
		     16 Kansas State - HOME
		     23 Missouri
		     30 Colorado
		Nov.  6 Kansas - HOME
		     13 Iowa State
		     20 Oklahoma - HOME
	

#3 1994
#4 1994
	
		Sep.  3 Wyoming - HOME
		     10 Texas Tech
		     17 UCLA - HOME
		     24 Utah State - HOME
		Oct.  8 Oklahoma State - HOME
		     15 Kansas State
		     22 Missouri - HOME
		     29 Colorado - HOME
		Nov.  5 Kansas
		     12 Iowa State - HOME
		     19 Oklahoma
		
		
#3 1995*
#4 1995*
	
		Sep.  9 Michigan State
		     16 Arizona State - HOME
		     23 Utah State - HOME
		     30 Washington State - HOME
		
		
#3 1996*
#4 1996*

		Sep.  7 Nevasa-Las Vegas - HOME
		     14 Michigan State - HOME
		     21 Arizona State
		     28 Colorado State - HOME

* 1995 and 1996 Big Eight Schedules still to be determined

    Re. -1:
    
    You sure that's not Nebraska's schedule???  ;-)
    
    NAZZ   

    Looks like CU will have to put up with what NU had the last 2 years.
    Criticism about schedule.
    
    
    Nebraska Marty

    re: .14
    
    Ohhhhhhhh, low blow Nazz. Low blow. But that's ok, I know it's in jest.
    
    Go Celtics !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty

    
    " CU BUFFS NO#1 AND 2 TIME BIG 8 CHAMPS "
    
    
          WE LOVE IT !!!!  HEY!
    
    
    " THE DREWSKI "
    
    

    
    Hawk, it doesn't matter NO#1 is NO#1. :-)
    
    
    p.s. I'm just jaw'n/ kid'n, having fun..I'm sure you would too.
    
         
    " THE DREWSKI "
    
    

  	Sep 7	Wyoming                       Geographic incentive for  Cowboys
  	Sep 14	Baylor                        Could be tough -
  	Sep 21	Minnesota                             Ditto
  	Sep 28	at Standford                          Watch for the Upset
  	Oct 12	Missouri                  Tigers make up for '90 Screw
  	Oct 19	at Oklahoma                     Sooners rool in Norman
  	Oct 26  at Kansas State                 Big 8 Pushover
  	Nov  2  Nebraska                         Ditto
  	Nov  9	at Oklahoma State              Ditto
  	Nov 16  Kansas                      Ditto
  	Nov 23  at Iowa State                    Cyclones tough at home
    
    
    If I hear anyone rave about CU's tough schedule next year, I'll puke.
    
    Rich
    

    
    Who gives the right for the Schools to Print out "National champions"
    items ?
    
    Does GT have to have UPI CHAMPS on there's and CU AP CHAMPS? 
    
    I would like to get a matching set.
    
    
    " 	THE DREWSKI "
    
    

    >If I hear anyone rave about CU's tough schedule next year, I'll puke.
    
    Hey they gotta play at K-state.

    
    	I read an article in the paper that said CU's schedule will
    	be *light* next year, but not in the next few years after
    	that.  I can't recall all of the teams mentioned.  I do
    	remember the article said that they'll play Miami and Michigan.
    
    	Claybroon

    I am glad I finally found this conference.  I have had all this pent-up
    joy and excitement over CU's victory over Notre Dame and their National
    Championship!
    
    I went to the pep rally for the team and coach the day after the Orange
    Bowl.  It was wonderful sitting there with 8,000 other loyal Buff fans. 
    We quietly sat there for about an hour and a half, but when the coach
    and the team walked in, you couldn't even hear yourself think with all
    the cheering!
    
    It is unfortunate that there is a controversy over who is Number 1.  As
    far as I am concerned, this is a dream come true.  Back to Back Big 8
    champs, the winningest record over the last two years of any team in
    the country, and National Champs to boot!
    
    I am a bit disappointed in our husker colleagues.  Where, o where is
    their conference loyalty.  I remember the days when Big Red was a
    national contender--Devaney lobbied the Big 8 teams for their votes,
    expounding the virtues of conference loyalty.  But now when the tables
    are turned . . . . . . .
    
    But again, I am thrilled.  I only wish my Dad could be alive to see
    this.
    
    FYI:  there is a ticker tape parade in Boulder on Jan. 19 for the
    Buffs.  Hope to you a lot of you there!
    
    Regards,
    Jan

    .24�    FYI:  there is a ticker tape parade in Boulder on Jan. 19 for the
    .24�    Buffs.  Hope to you a lot of you there!
    
    	Ga.Tech has already had their ticker tape parade! I guess there
    will be two this year...
    
    B.A.

Meanwhile, at the NCAA convention, Bill McCartney walked out as they were
about to honor Bobby Ross for the coach's poll No. 1. McCartney claims he
had to go to the bathroom. To his credit, McCartney said he was
"embarassed" and made it back into the room for the presentation.

TTom

    Since GT had their parade first, it's obvious that they are the true
    National Champs.
    
    Bruce

    
    	No way Brucester, CU was voted #1 first so they are the true
    	nat'l champs.  ;^)
    
    	Claybroon

    2 National champs. Just more evidence of a desperate need for a
    playoff.

    Nebraska Marty

    Well, my Huskers footbal team was a dissapointment. But hey, how bout
    them Husker cagers !!!
    
    Go Big Red
    
    Nebraska Marty

>>But hey, how bout them Husker cagers !
    
    Nebrask got football players doing drugs and beating people up too? 8^)
                                                                       

    Not only is NU hoops a big surprise, but CU is doing well under
    first-year coach Joe Harrington.  The Buffs and Huskers were picked 7th
    and 8th in the conference in a preseason writers' poll.  CU won at Wake
    Forest last night and is now 10-3, 1-0 in the Big-8.  But I would
    expect the Buffs to hit reality when they play Saturday at Oklahoma.
    Vitale was even giving CU and Harrington some good publicity late in
    the GT-Duke game last night.
    
    Joe

    
    Watch for GT coach Bobby Ross to be named head coach of the Cleveland
    Browns this week. Is anybody even asking the CU guy about another
    job?
    

    
    	I admit, ya got me stumped Hawk ;^)  Let's see.  CU's plane
    	arrived home before GT's?  Oh, never mind........
    
    	I haven't heard any rumors about McCartney moving on.  They
    	gave him something like a 15 year contract lasted year.  I
    	kinda doubt he'd make a good pro coach.  He's a real "mom
    	and apple pie" type of guy that I don't think pro athletes
    	care for.
    
    	Claybroon

    
>    	I haven't heard any rumors about McCartney moving on.  They
>    	gave him something like a 15 year contract lasted year.  I
>    	kinda doubt he'd make a good pro coach.  
 
    I would be extremely surprised if McCartney even considered other
    offers at this point, and I agree that he just doesn't seem like he'd
    be a good pro coach.  If he was going anywhere, he'd already be gone. 
    About 3 years ago, he was only a sliver away from taking the SMU job,
    but shocked everyone and stayed here at CU.  The key point in
    McCartney's career was when he was given a contract extension in the
    middle of a 1-10, 1984 season.
    
     When he first came here in 1981, his goal was to compete with OU and
     NU for the conference title, but he said it would take about 7 years 
    to get to that level.  He has reached that goal and doesn't really have
     much more to conquer at CU, but I think he really wants to stay at CU
     and try to keep them among the nation's elite.  Plus he does have the 
    15-year contract as previously mentioned, although that doesn't 
    necessarily mean anything.
    
    I think this has been McCartney's only head-coaching position.  Before
    coming to CU, he was an assistant to Bo at Michigan.
    
    Joe

re: .36
    
>                 ... He has reached that goal and doesn't really have
>     much more to conquer at CU, but I think he really wants to stay at CU
>     and try to keep them among the nation's elite.
    
    Joe, I think that trying to keep it up among the "elite" after losing 13
    starters and BOTH QB's is quite a lot to conquer. He's been "up there"
    for 2 seasons in a row but now that he's loosing some of the athletes
    that got him "up there" he has to keep it "up there" with a new crop of
    kids. That's a challenge.
    
    Huskers hoops ranked 18th (???) with only 2 loss. GO BIG RED !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty

    re: .37
    
    Oops, a typo. That only 1 loss for the Big Red Hoopsters.
    
    Husker Hoops Henderson

    
>    Joe, I think that trying to keep it up among the "elite" after losing 13
>    starters and BOTH QB's is quite a lot to conquer. He's been "up there"
>    for 2 seasons in a row but now that he's loosing some of the athletes
>    that got him "up there" he has to keep it "up there" with a new crop of
>    kids. That's a challenge.
 
    Yes, it's definitely going to be tough, especially this coming season. 
    OU proved they're back this year, and there's no doubt in my mind that
    NU will be back at or near the top of the Big-8 next year.
    
    I don't know much about CU's new starters for next year, but with CU's
    recruiting success in the last 5 or 6 years tells me that there should
    be some good players ready to step in.  But the fact does remain that
    the Buffs are losing some of the nation's best talent.  Neither Hagan
    nor Johnson is definitely out for next season, but even if neither ends
    up playing, I think Vance Joseph has some good potential.  With their
    soft preseason schedule, the new Buff starters will have a chance to
    get some experience and confidence for the conference schedule.
 
    Joe

    Anybody have the early Big-8 Hoops standings?
    
    Husker Hoops Henderson

                  Conf.    Overall
    Nebraska      2-0      16-1
    Oklahoma	  2-0      13-2
    Missouri      2-0      9-4
    Oklahoma St   1-1      11-3
    Colorado      1-1      10-4
    Kansas        0-2      9-4
    Kansas St     0-2      8-5
    Iowa St       0-2      5-12
    
    
    
    

    Danny Nee is for real, Husker fans!  
    
    When does Nebraska play Oklahoma and Missouri?
    
    	--dan'l

    Taken from todays U.S.A. Today without permission:
    
    			Nebraska: Not just football
    
    Call this the obituary of that fond sporting phrase, "Oh that's a
    football school."
    
    Nebraska has a mens basketball team.
    
    The Huskers, tabbed to finish last in the Big Eight, are the seasons
    suprise. They are 16-1 against a non-too-shabby shedule, with a school-
    record 14-game winning streak.
    
    Coach Danny Nee, though, isen't ready to anoint his former sinner,
    saints. "We're not over the hump yet," he says.
    
    Nee is gazing at a 3 game stretch, starting next Tuesday that features
    games at Colorado and Oklahoma and a home test against Missouri."Then,"
    he says "we'll know alot more about ourselves."
    
    The Huskers bring unacustomed weapons to this party: five double-figure
    scored led by 6-8 Carl Hayes at 15.8 points a game and 7-2 Rich King at
    13-8; a defense that limits opponents to 41% field goal shooting; and a
    bench that goes four deep.
    
    But mostly what the Huskers have "is experience and maturiey," Nee
    says. "We took our lumps, and now it is paying off."
    
    Nee was 63-64 coming into the season and says there were times he
    diden't think Nebraska could get it turned around.
    
    "This is fun," he says. "There just isen't any time to enjoy it."
    
    
    Husker Hoops Henderson

    Missouri beat Oklahoma in Columbia last night to take sole possesion of
    first place in the conference.  The big story was Stewart and Tubbs
    exchanging words after the game.  I saw the clips and they were really
    going at it.  Should be interesting when they meet in Norman later in
    the season.
    
    Joe

    Yo HHH,
    	Wasn't Danny Nee an assistant coach under Trigger Smelts (tm) at
    ND in his past life?
    
    
    MikeL
     

    From what I recall, Nee was a prep star and good friend of Lou
    Alcindor.  He went on to be a Digger asst, spent some time coaching at
    a small college in Kentucky I think, and then became head coach at Ohio
    University while I was there.  
    
    He turned the Bobcats around in one year.  They went from a 6-win team
    to conference champs.  Of the four years I was at OU, Nee won the
    MAC twice and took the team to the NCAAs three years straight.
    
    The Bobcats have not recovered since his departure five years ago. 
    During his first year at Nebraska, he took the team he inherited to the
    NIT final...with Dave Hoppen as the star center.
    
    He's been rebuilding ever since and finally things are falling into
    place.  Danny Nee is a real nice fellow with a great sense of humor. 
    He knows the game well and is able to get the most out of his players
    with very little annimation or yelling.
    
    If he would have spent one more year at Ohio U, it's everbody's guess
    that he would have moved on up to Columbus when Ohio State was
    searching for a replacement.  And it was rumored Ohio State wanted him
    badly and was disappointed he went to Nebraska earlier that year even
    before they could talk to him.  But it doesn't look like OSU is
    suffering too much now that they're on track with their second coach
    since then.
    
    	--dan'l

    CU beat 14th-ranked Nebraska in Boulder last night 86-69.  NU led 45-44
    at halftime, and both teams shot under 40% for the game.  CU plays at
    Kansas on Saturday and NU plays at Oklahoma on Saturday.
    
    #13 Oklahoma lost to Southwestern Louisiana 103-101 in Norman last
    night.
    
    Here's the current Big 8 standings:
    
                  Conf.   Overall
    Oklahoma      3-1     14-4
    Missouri      3-1     11-5
    Nebraska      2-1     16-2
    Colorado      2-1     12-4
    Kansas        1-2     11-4
    Oklahoma St   1-2     11-4
    Iowa St       1-2     7-12
    Kansas St     0-3     10-6
    
    Joe
       

    Nebraska took its second loss of the season last night in Boulder,
    86-69...on national TV no less.   But it was good to see Danny Nee in
    the spotlight.
    
    A few points:
    
    	- Never once saw any Nebraska player talk to an official.  The
    	  same was true when Nee coached Ohio U.  The players were
    	  never allowed to say a word to an official or question a
    	  call.  If they did, Nee sat them down.  I assumed, however,
    	  that that was a MAC rule.  Guess it's a Nee rule.
    
    	- Colorado has a player named...correct me if I'm wrong...
    	  House Guest.
    
    	- Nebraska has some big boys.  Might have three NBA
    	  centers/forwards on that team...hope they're better than
    	  Dave Hoppen.
    
    Later.
    
    	--dan'l

    
>    	- Colorado has a player named...correct me if I'm wrong...
>    	  House Guest.
    
    His real name is Rodell Guest.  "House" Guest is his nickname.
    
    Joe

    Nebraska beat Oklahoma Saturday, 111-99.  Danny Nee and the Huskers
    rebound from crushing defeat in Boulder.  Would have loved to have see
    Tubbs squirming on the sideline of this one.  Missouri is next I think.
    
    	--dan'l

    re. -1
    
    The Mizzou at Husker (I think it's at the Devaney Center) game
    Wednesday night is on the cable channel "Prime Sports Network."
    
    The win over the Okie's was AT Oklahoma. Sweet!!! I cant wait to get
    Colorado at the Devaney Center in Lincoln. The Buffalo hoopsters must
    have played a tremendous game the other night vs Nebraska.
    
    I heard the Danny Nee show last night on the radio (KFAB AM 1110 Omaha
    can be picked up at night on the Colorado front range) and he said that
    he was very confident even in the early part of the game about a win
    over Oklahoma. He also said that he KNEW Nebraska had Oklahoma rattled
    early in the second half when Tubbs went to a zone defense. Okie's don't
    do that much.
    
    Nee also said that himself, the team, and the Nebraska media is/was
    treated VERY well by the Oklahoma fans and staff. Absolutely NOTHING
    was said about how they were treated at Colorado. Read between the
    lines if you wish, there may or may not be anything there.
    
    Nebraska, despite the loss at CU moves from #14 to #11.
    
    Go Big Red Husker Hoops,
    
    Husker Hoops Henderson

    I was just ready to call Nebrasaka over-rated, then they go into Norman
    and beat the Sooners convincingly.  I still feel they will lose a few
    when they go on the road in the conference, although they already have
    the W in Norman under their belt.  The Big-8 is very well-balanced this
    year, but I don't see any legitimate top-10 teams in the conference.
    
    NU is obviously the biggest surprise of the season, but CU is doing
    well also.  However, the Buffs' road losing streak in conference games
    is still going and is at something like 54 right now.  And after their
    big win against NU the other night, they proceed to go into Lawrence and
    get blown out by more than 30.  If CU is to have a shot at the big dance, 
    it goes without saying they'll have to win a few conference games on the
    road.  And it could very well come down to how well the Buffs perform
    in the Big 8 tournament.  As for NU, they will be in the tourney barring 
    a total collapse.
    
    Joe

    
>    The Mizzou at Husker (I think it's at the Devaney Center) game
>    Wednesday night is on the cable channel "Prime Sports Network."
   
    Yea, the game is at Nebraska, and it's at 6:30.  I'm glad we finally
    got that PSN here in the Springs.  It'll be nice come football season,
    because they carry Big 8 football games also.  
    
    Oklahoma State plays at Boulder tonight.  The Cowboys have quietly
    played their way to a 13-4 record, so this appears to be a good matchup
    on paper.  No TV though. 

                    Wednesday Jan 30th Big-8 hoops
    
    Huskers over Mizzou
    Iowa State over Oklahoma
    
    Thats all I've heard so far tonight.
    
    I saw Nebraska for the first time this year on Prime Sports Cable
    Network. The Huskers do look like they are for real !!!
    
    The strengths of this team are:
    
    	Depth - They go 9 deep
    	Good athletic ability
    	Good team play on both ends of the court - no 1 player is a superstar
    	  but they have several quality players
    	Good coaching
    	Poise
    	Excellent 3 point team - 5 or 6 guys can hit the 3 consistently
    
    The thing I like about a Danny Nee team is that they never complain
    to the refs (The players that is). It's a Nee policy. I like that,
    it shows good character, is a good example to the kids, and it makes
    the game more pleasent to watch.
    
    Mizzou came out playing a zone. Norm S. dosent do that much. I think
    he thought he was out-manned. Especially with one of his best players
    out.
    
    The zone worked for a while untill the Husker Hoopsters started hitting
    from outside. Huskers lead was comforable most of the game. Nebraska
    also played zone for most of the game, Mizzou is not a real good
    outside shooting team.
    
    The Huskers Beau Reid is a pro prospect. 6-8 forward with good range.
    Nebraska's home-grown 7-2 center form Omaha (cant recall his name right
    now) is what NBA'ers would call "a project." He does have good
    coordination, but not good quickness. He's a "good" college center.
    An OK NBA backup center at best. Maybee he will get better with age.
    
    Nebraska's bench scored something like 35 points. This is a major key
    to this club.
    
    NU fans were really into the game. Many chants of "Sit Down Norm" etc.
    As a native Nebraskan it's great to see good Husker basketball,
    especially then the football team has been taking it's lumps lately.
    ;^)
    
    Go Big Red, Okie State on Saturday !!!
    
    Husker Hoops Henderson

    The Buffs blew a win last night against OSU, losing 76-66.  CU led
    60-51 with 6 minutes left, but OSU went on a 21-0 run at that point.
    Looks like the Buffs are headed for the NIT.
                  
    Joe 

Does anyone have the current Big-8 Hoops standing?

Husker Hoops Henderson

                Conf.  Overall
    Colorado    7-0    11-1-1
    Oklahoma    5-2    8-3
    Nebraska    5-2    9-2
    
    
    Whoops....I lost my train of thought...
    Those are the Big 8 football standings! :^)
    
    Okay, here's the current basketball standings
    
                 Conf.    Overall
    Nebraska     4-1      18-2
    Missouri     4-2      12-6
    Kansas       3-2      14-4
    Oklahoma St  3-2      14-4
    Oklahoma     3-3      14-6
    Colorado     2-3      12-6
    Iowa St      2-3      8-13
    Kansas St    0-5      10-8
    
    Joe
    

Huskers lost at home vs Okie State Saturday. Daggummit !!! Cant be loosing
those home games. Now have 2 conference losses.   ;^(

Husker Hoops Hendersone

    ....and back to BIG-8 Football......
    
    from the Denver Post:
    Oklahoma State received a commitment from that state's top tailback,
    Raphael Denson.  The 5-8, 175-pounder gained more than 2,000 yards.
    One publication compared him to former OU halfback Joe Washington.
    Denson, however, wants to be compared to Oklahoma State's tailback
    dynasty of Thurman Thomas, Barry Sanders and 1990 NCAA rushing champ
    Gerald Hudson.  Denson picked the Cowboys over the Sooners for a
    chance to play immediately.
    
    
    OSU's new bball coach, Eddie Sutton, seems to be doing all the right
    things so far.  Not bad for his first year!
    
    Cowboy
    

    > Denson picked the Cowboys over the Sooners for a
    > chance to play immediately.
      
    I don't know why he thinks this.  The Sooners have been hurting for a 
    great tailback since Marcus Dupree hit the road, while State cleaned 
    up in the 80's.  I didn't see anybody distinguish himself on the
    Sooners last year, either...
    
    glenn
    

    glenn, I took it as saying that Denson has a good shot at stepping
    in as a starter only because Gerald Hudson has left.  I don't
    remember who's still at OU but (IMO) OSU is hard to beat for a
    talented RB to get exposure, with their type of offense and
    RB history.  A RB doesn't have to share the glory as they do
    with the multiple backs at OU.
    
    Cowboy
    

    The Buffs lost in OT last night to Missouri, 75-67.  CU has now lost 4
    in a row with their last win being the win over Nebraska a couple of
    weeks ago.
    
    Also last night:
    
    Kansas beat Nebraska 85-77.
    OSU beat Iowa St. 83-62.
    
    Joe

I heard the last 10 min of the Ne/Kansas game on the radio last night. It
sounded like KU was out-hustling Nebraska on defense a little. It's hard
to judge though without seeing.

Bau Reid was in foul trouble most of the game for Nebraska. This was a factor.
Also the KU crowd was really into the game.

This is gonna be some year for Big-8 conference basketball. There is amazing
balance top to bottom. I guess that the conference champ will have at least
4 conference losses.

Go Big Red !!

Husker Hoops Henderson

> This is gonna be some year for Big-8 conference basketball. There is amazing
> balance top to bottom. I guess that the conference champ will have at least
> 4 conference losses.

    It's definitely an interesting year in the conference.  There's no
    legitimate top-10 teams in the Big 8, but 4 teams are currently ranked.  
    NU, OU, OSU, and KU should make the tourney, and Mizzou would make it
    in also if they weren't on probation.  And as far as the conference
    tournament goes, at this point I wouldn't be surprised to see *any* of
    the 8 teams win it.
    
    Joe

I was listening to the Radio show last night will Bill McCartney gushing 
over his now Letter of intent sighed prospects. They brought up to him that 
is was a close game with Missouri at the half. 

McCartney replied that maybe they should water down the event center floor
and hope that the Tigers didn't bring a different set of shoes...

    Did anyone catch the OSU/Georgia baseball score last weekend. 
    Apparently, the local sports reporters did know that the season
    has already started and I can't find the score.
    
    Cowboy

    
    Cowboy,
    
    	OSU won and I *think* the final was 3-2.  OSU then got pounded
    	in the champeenship(tm) game by LSU.  I turned off the tube
    	before it was over but it was something like 5 or 6 to nothing
    	in favor of the Tigers in about the 7th inning.
    
    Claybroon

    re: p-name
    
    You're right about that, but I've been kinda waiting to see if they
    would three-peat (sorry) in wrestling.  Anyone know about that?
    

    Wrestling tournament isn't until next month.
    
    John

    Big 8 Standings as of 2/12:
    
                    Conf.     All
    Kansas          6-2       17-4
    Nebraska        5-3       19-4
    Oklahoma St.    5-3       16-5
    Missouri        5-3       13-7
    Oklahoma        4-4       15-8
    Iowa St.        3-5       9-15
    Colorado        2-5       12-9
    Kansas St.      2-5       12-9
    
    Kansas and Nebraska will make the tourney, and barring total collapses
    OSU and OU will make it also.  I would say the Buffs still have a
    decent shot of making the NIT.  Mizzou is on probation.
    
    CU plays host to KSU Wednesday night and plays at ISU on Saturday,
    which will be their best remaining hope of breaking their conference
    road-losing streak.
    
    Joe
    

Does anyone have the Big-8 basketball schedule? Or at least the Nebraska 
basketball schedule? It would be nice to have this posted in here.

Nebraska Marty

    Don't have NU's schedule, but I know they play at Iowa State tonight. 
    The Buffs play host to Kansas State tonight. (CU *should* win this one)
    
    Joe

    2/13 - @ Iowa State
    2/16 - OU
    2/18 - N. Illinois
    2/20 - @ Missouri
    2/23 - KSU
    2/27 - @ OSU
    3/3  - Kansas
    

    The Nebraska-Oklahoma game is on PSN this Saturday night at 7pm. (MST)
    
    Last night's scores:
    
    Colorado 85, K-State 71
    OSU 77, Oklahoma 74
    Nebraska 65, ISU 57
    
    Joe

    OSU and Wyoming are fighting over the rights to use the "Pistol Pete"
    logo and name.  According to old records OSU started printing the
    logo on stationery way back in 1930 while UW started using it in 1966.
    UW recently filed claim to it--just a few days before OSU did but OSU
    already got their rights approved.
    
    Hey, Wyoming, get yur own logo
    
    Cowboy

    CU trainer Dave Burton said he is optimistic that Hagan will be ready
    to play this fall.  Hagan will miss spring practice.
    
    RE: logo
    I thought Wyoming's logo is the Cowboy riding the bucking horse, and
    OSU's is the Cowboy just standing there.         
    
    In basketball, the Buffs are on PSN at 7 tonight against 8th-ranked
    Kansas.  
    
    Joe
    

    > RE: logo
    > I thought Wyoming's logo is the Cowboy riding the bucking horse, and
    > OSU's is the Cowboy just standing there.         
    
    That's the ones I've usually seen although one Football mag did have
    them reversed once.  Apparently UW also calls theirs Pistol Pete too.
    
    re: CU/KU
    
    Is the game in Boulder?  I'd love to see CU knock KU outa 1st place
    and give OSU a shot of winning the Big8.  Anything can (and has)
    happen this year in bball.  I can't remember a better year for the
    conference as far as the over-all competition between the B8 teams.
    
    Cowboy
    

    KU-CU game is in Boulder.
    
    I read a small article in The Denver Post this morning about the
    Wyo-OSU mascot debate.  Wyoming's official mascot is the bucking horse,
    but they just use Pistol Pete on the side.  If OSU wins the case,
    Wyoming will either have to stop using Pistol Pete or start paying OSU
    for the rights.
    
    Joe

    Big win for the Buffs last night!  KU came back to tie the game after
    trailing by 14 at halftime, but CU held on for a 79-71 victory.  An
    NCAA berth is suddenly a possibility again.  The Buffs' remaining games
    are at OSU and at Mizzou, and at home against Oklahoma.  I figure if
    they can win 2 of those 3 and win at least 1 game in the conference
    tourney, they Buffs have a good shot at making the big dance.  Winning
    2 of those 3 certainly won't be easy, though.  Even if they do what I
    just said, it's still iffy.  It may take 2 wins in the confernce tourney, 
    or maybe even winning their remaining 3 regular season games.  And if
    CU doesn't make the NCAA's, an NIT bid is almost in the bag.  (Big
    deal, though)
    
    In other Big 8 games last night, Oklahoma lost their 5th straight game,
    falling to ISU 97-88, and Mizzou whipped Nebraska 91-71.
    
    Conference standings:
    
                    Conf.    All
    Kansas          8-3      19-5  
    OSU             8-3      19-5
    Nebraska        7-4      22-5
    Missouri        6-5      14-9
    Colorado        5-6      15-9
    Oklahoma        4-7      15-11
    ISU             4-7      10-17
    KSU             2-9      12-12
    
    
    Joe 

    CU lost an important game to OSU yesterday 79-67.  The Buffs trailed by
    13 at halftime, but later closed to within 2 before OSU pulled away for
    good.  Shaun Vandiver got his 3rd foul with about 8 minutes left in the
    1st half.  Forward Byron Houston sure looked good for OSU.
    
    OSU is now tied for the conference lead with Kansas, 1 game ahead of
    Nebraska.  As for CU, they are now 15-10 on the season.  If they split
    their last 2 games (which is the most likely scenario), the Buffs would
    need at least 1 win in the conference tourney IMO to have a decent shot
    at an NCAA bid.  If they could win their last 2 *and* win 1 game in the
    conf. tourney, then CU would make it IMO.  If the NCAA takes 4 Big 8
    teams, CU would probably go before OU because the Sooners are on a
    serious tailspin at this point.
    
    CU's remaining games are against OU in Boulder on Wednesday and at
    Mizzou on Saturday afternoon.
    
    Joe
       

Huskers loose AT Okie State. The final score was not typical of the game. CU
blew a big lead over Oklahoma at CU to loose.

Looks like Nebraska will probably settle for 3rd in the Big-8, BUT it still
looks like they are a shoe-in for the "Big Dance" in March.

    As Marty mentioned, CU blew a big lead (18 points at one time) at home
    and lost to OU, 69-68.  CU is 15-11 overall, but only 5-8 in the
    conference.  Their only regular season game left is at Missouri on
    Saturday.  In all likelihood, the only way CU will make the NCAA's is
    to win the Big 8 tourney.
    
    Joe                                                               

    I was able to listen to the Nebraska/Okla.St game on the radio and
    it definitely was a real fight the whole game.  Wasn't it a Cornhusker
    that got his nose broken in the first half?  After getting it set
    during halftime he came back and scored several more points.  OSU's
    Byron Houston fouled out with about 5 minutes to go and when Nebraska
    was getting it close.  That's when it got tense because Houston's
    good at the line.  OSU was forced to play their 7 footer, Pittman,
    who was something like 1 for 8 at the line.  As long as Nebraska
    couldn't foul him it would be ok but it started to look like UN might
    slip ahead.
    
    Eddie Sutton is due some recognition for his first season.  He will
    be the 1st coach to take 4 different teams to the NCAA tourney; its
    been years since OSU has won 20 games; this is the 1st year since
    1965 that OSU has been 14-0 at home; and (if OSU wins at Iowa St
    Saturday) they will win the Big8.  (An outright win if Nebraska beats
    Kansas Saturday).
    
    Cowboy
    

    Friday's first-round games:
    
    11:10 am, Missouri (4) 16-10, 8-6, vs. Iowa State (5) 12-18, 6,8
    
    1:20 pm, Oklahoma St. (1) 21-6, 10-4, vs. Kansas St. (8) 13-14, 3-11
    
    5:10 pm, Kansas (2) 21-6, 10-4, vs. Colorado (7) 15-12, 5-9
    
    7:20 pm, Nebraska (3) 24-6, 9-5, vs. Oklahoma (6) 16-13, 5-9
    
    
    The tournament is at Kemper Arena, all times are mountain.
    
    Joe
       

  1st round winners * SHOULD * be Missouri, Oklahoma State, Kansas,
  and Nebraska. However, this is the game of basketball (best of all sports
  in my opinion) and this is the Big-8, therefore chances of an upset or 2
  run high.

  Husker Hoops Henderson

    As expected going into the weekend, the Big 8 only got 3 teams into the
    tourney, but all 3 ended up with #3 seeds.  Kansas should be able to
    make it to the Sweet 16.  OSU's first 2 games should be fairly tough,
    New Mexico only because they have Longley to counter with Houston, and
    then OSU could be playing NC State in the 2nd round.  As for Nebraska,
    I think they'll get knocked out in the 2nd round by LSU or UConn, that
    is if they get by Xavier, who suprised some people last year.
    
    Missouri beat Nebraska in the Big 8 title game yesterday, but the
    Tigers are on probation.  But as of next year, the Big 8 has a new rule
    that no team on probation can play in the Big 8 tournament.
    
    Colorado and Oklahoma got into the NIT.  Michigan plays at Colorado
    Wednesday night, and Tulsa plays at Oklahoma on Thursday night.
    
    Joe
    

                          
    What happened to Oklahoma?  I was following the game score for a while,
    and it looked like they had an insurmountable lead late in the game
    Friday night against Nebraska.  Then I find out they lost in overtime.
    
    Oklahoma seems to be in need of a character check, starting with Billy
    Tubbs.  Granted, they lost all their starters from last year, but this
    year's team seemed to pretty decent early, just the opposite of what
    you'd expect.  Then they just flat-out collapsed.  It didn't matter
    what the competition was, they'd find a way to lose.  Good thing they
    didn't have any late-season games against Oklahoma City Community
    College or anyone like that.  This is the same team that at least gave 
    Arkansas and Duke a little bit of a fight early in the season, too.
    
    As much as people couldn't stand Barry Switzer, this is one Oklahoma
    fan who considers Tubbs to be much the worse.  Tubbs has maintained 
    all of Barry's bad qualities, but possesses none of the good ones, 
    like the ability to coach his way to a victory in a big game (like last
    year when even 'Snuf gave him a clinic in the NCAAs).  Combined with
    his outspoken opposition to NCAA reform, I think he's doing the
    university a major disservice.  Maybe it'd be worth a probation to get
    rid of him.  Considering that the NCAA has come down all around him in
    the Big 8, he must be staying clean, though, I guess...
    
    glenn
    

    >                       <<< Note 18.87 by NAC::G_WAUGAMAN >>>
                       -< What the hell happened to OU? >-

                          
    What happened to Oklahoma?  I was following the game score for a while,
    and it looked like they had an insurmountable lead late in the game
    Friday night against Nebraska.  Then I find out they lost in overtime.
    
    
    glenn, OU is probably still suffering from injuries.  I think that
    they had several after the season began which must have really knocked
    them outa their game plan.
    
    Cowboy
    

What happened to Oklahoma?

Nebraska put on a furious rally in the last 1.5 min of regulation. I thought 
Nebraska was beat and was mentally preparing myself for a fairly low seed
in the "big dance." The Okie's had succesfully stopped Nebraska's 3 point
game most of the game by denying attempts. I dont know if Oklahoma fell
asleep thinking the win was is the bag or what but suddenly NU started canning
3 pointers including one at the buzzer to send it into overtime.

Because Nebraska had beaten sure death, the momentum was all theirs in the OT.

What a great game. Between this game and the Celts/Blazers game last night
I think I need to have my blood pressure checked.   ;^)

Husker Hoops Henderson

Okie State and Kansas win at the "Big Dance" in the first round. Nebraska
lost by 6 (I think) to Xavier of Ohio. I saw most of the game and the Huskers
looked really tight. I think they were the more talented team but just got
beat by a good them that has been to the NCAA's many times.

Huskers have nothing to be ashamed of though. Great season.
Takes some of the football hurt away.

Husker Hoops Marty

    The Cowboys' 2nd game, against NC State, was a great one to watch--
    especially after the shakey one against New Mexico.  OSU kept NCSt
    30 points under their scoring average with their tough defense and
    rebounding.  Cowboys' shots from the line were WAY above their average
    too.  At the beginning of the tourney I felt that they had a decent
    chance of making it to the Final-4 and now I can still see it as long
    as their shooting stays hot and they get some breaks in the next
    couple of games.  The East has looked like the easiest of the four
    although no team can expect to coast through a tournament like this.
    (Except possibly UNLV).
    
    Hope that both OSU and KU keep winning but I'm NOT happy about the
    fact that they would have to face each other.
    
    Cowboy
    

    Does anyone have the team scoring for the NCAA Wrestling Tournament?
    All I can find is indivual scores.
    
    The OSU Women bball team is keeping up with the Men's team so far.
    The Midwest 5th seeded Women are ALSO in the Sweet-16.  They
    opened by beating (12)DePaul 81-80, and then beat (4)Michigan St
    96-94 in TRIPLE OT!  Next up is (1)Virginia Thursday.
    
    Cowboy

    Help..last one...:*)
    
    	How many points did Mayberry have in the second game?
    
    Thx..
    
    B.A.

    Yo, B.A., grab a sports page or two, dude.
    
    Bob Hunt

    C'mon Bob...
    
    	You know that unless Clemson gets into the dance, the papers down
    here don't cover B-ball! :*) Only Racin'! :*)
    
    B.A.

    Yeah, but they'd cover that Arkansas is in the SWC...

    re .93
    
    
    Mayberry had 14 yesterday vs. ASU
    

    re-97.
    
    	Thank you!
    
    re-96.
    
    	They are now in the SEC...offically! :*)
    
    B.A.

    I don't know the team scores but I read in yesterday's National that
    Iowa won the Wrestling National Championship.
    
    John

    Re: -1  Thanks for the bad news.  Iowa seemed to be favored going in
    and was hyped some by the AP stories.  It did seem strange that the
    papers never really mentioned OKlahoma State going after their 3rd
    championship in a row especially since OSU had 9 wrestlers that
    qualified (Iowa had 10).  I may have to break down and subscribe to
    an Oklahoma newspaper one of these days to get the facts.
    
    Now its up to the basketball team to bring home a championship.
    UNLV who?
    
    Cowboy
    

    Colorado beat Wyoming last night in the 2nd round of the NIT, and the
    Buffs will host Arkansas State on Thursday.  The winner of that game
    goes to the NIT final four in New York.
    
    Joe

    OU is still winning too.  It sounded like Wyoming was still mad
    that they weren't invited to go to the NCAA and weren't up for
    the NIT.
    
    How does Temple matchup with OSU's defense?  Doesn't Temple shoot
    well from the outside?
    
    Cowboy
     

 Temple has two legit outside bombers in Macon and Vic Carstopvanitch (spelling
 moidered). Vic has pro range so does Macon. Best defense for Macon is to just
 let him shoot. If you put a hand in his face he'll bury you, leave him wide 
 open and CLANG!...

 Two very good defensive clubs.

 mike

    Ah, another good, physical, low-scoring struggle with the last coupla
    minutes of tackle-the-man-with-the-ball.  I cain't wait!  8*)
    
    Cowboy

    As Childs mentioned, Temple is a very good defensive team.  They have
    good size in their front line, but are still outrebounded for the
    year.
    
    RE-Wyoming
    Yea, they were less than thrilled about being in the NIT after being in
    the NCAA's in '87 and '88.  Meanwhile, CU is pumped up about being in
    any kind of postseason play, since this is their first postseason
    appearance in 22 years.  Wyoming only drew about 5000 fans for their
    opener against Butler.
    
    Joe

    Temple is one, tough physical team.  They are a more talented, physical
    version of Princeton - at least in their approach to the game.
    
    Both teams will run if the opportunity is there, otherwise, they'll
    hold the ball until they get a good shot.  Temple does not run a
    motion offense like Princeton does.
    
    Temple is far more physical and intimidating on defense than Princeton
    is.  Temple defenders get chest-to-chest with the man they're guarding
    and give them literally no time to shoot.
    
    Vic Carstarphen is the guy you're thinking of, Mike.  In the game where
    I saw Temple live, he really picked up the slack for the missing Mark
    Macon.  Temple played pretty darn well without Macon in that game.
    
    Anyone who plays Temple, when Temple is playing well, has their hands
    full.  
    
    John 

    BIG-8 teams are still looking good.  Kansas surprised Indiana last
    night when they built a 20-point lead just 7.5 minutes into the
    game.  It was a case of the ball bouncing KU's way and KU doing
    no wrong.  On the other hand Indiana didn't look emotionally ready
    to play and whatever Bobby Knight tried to get his team moving
    didn't work.  The only times it looked like Indiana would catch up
    was when KU's outside shots cooled off.  But then, KU would then
    turn on the heat.  After KU built their 20 point lead the rest of
    the game was mainly an exercise by KU to merely stay hot enough
    to stay 15-20 ahead until the end--which they did very well.  
    Indiana never seemed to panic or get frustrated.  But they never
    could get in command of the game either.  Personally, I expected
    more outa a Knight team.  It looked like KU was prepared in all
    phases and Indiana was not. 
    
    In the NIT, Colorado didn't have much trouble with a good Arkansas
    State team.  CU had good leads throughout the game with ASt coming
    back and making it close.  CU has come a long way when you consider
    their 12-18 season last year (and all the pitiful records before
    then).  With a 18-13 record so far CU goes to the Garden for semi-
    finals.  Oklahoma is still alive, too, but the matchups haven't been
    anounced.
    
    Oklahoma State goes against Temple tonight for the chance to play
    the NoCar/EMich winner for the East title/Final4 spot.  This is
    really more than I had expected especially after the opener against
    New Mexico.  Hopefully, OSU will stay hot to make it to the Final4.
    They SHOULD handle Temple and then SHOULD be fired up for NC.  I
    feel OSU can beat them if they can shoot hot and don't turn over
    the ball as much as they have.  The team has been rebounding well
    and will definitely have to be able to complete with NC there too.
    
    Cowboy
    

    It doesn't matter who wins the Colorado - Oklahoma game, because UMass
    will beat either one of them.
    
    Of course, I'm not saying whether it will be in the title game or the
    consolation game ....
    
    John (who's enjoying the chance to gloat about his basketball team for
    the first time in year)

    You're probably right.  I thing CU won 1 road game against a BIG-8
    team this year (and breaking a 50+ loosing streak) and will surely
    choke away from home.  And I hope I have to eat crow.
    
    As to OU, they may be getting health by now and could be tougher
    than they were the last half of the season--but I haven't heard
    anything.
    

    CU only did win 1 conference road game, at Iowa State.  However, they did
    win at Wake Forest early in the year, and it was by something like 17
    points.  The NIT semis have been set: UMASS will play Stanford in the
    early game, and CU will play OU in the 2nd game.  These are Monday
    night.
    
    It's good to see the Big 8 doing well in postseason this year after
    nobody even made the Sweet 16 last year.  Granted, OU and CU are only
    in the NIT, but it's great exposure for CU and the conference.  I
    imagine it's less than thrilling for OU after all their recent NCAA
    appearances.  This could be a good springboard for the Buffs, although
    I'm pretty sure they're losing most of their starters.
    
    I expect OSU to win tonight, but they should have their hands full with
    UNC.  
    
    Joe

    It was "happy trails" to the Cowgirls who bit the dust last night 
    when Virginia rode them to a 76-61 win.  Atleast these fillies
    shouldn't head home with their tails between their legs.  They
    started the tourney ranked #25.
    
    Cowboy
    

    Hey Bobby Knight ...
    
    
    
    Pantheon THIS !!!!!!!!
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Doc,  
    
    Who's your favorite coach or team?  Lemme guess...uh, UNLV - yeah
    right, that's the ticket.
    
    I'm not a hoosier fan, nor a  Bobby Knight fan, but he's got 3 titles,
    and he's a better coach then Smith, Tark, K, Lute, etc.
    
    You goint to wait til after the Final Four to decide who you're team is
    this year.
    
    JD

    JD, will you PLEASE stop you whining ? You're sounding like Bobby
    Hurley a little more every day.
    
    And please come up with a more original line sometime before the end of
    the decade, OK ?
    
    Zzzzzz .....

    Doc,
    
    I'm not whining.  Just waiting for the day that *in advance* you claim
    allegiance to a team, and stick with *that* team for a whole season.
    
    So Doc, who is it, KU, UNLV, UNC or Duke that's your favorite *NOW*
    
    I thought you were a HOuston Cougar fan?  They haven't played in weeks.
    
    JD

    Actaully, I've been cheering Arkansas and UNLV. I've also hoped that
    Macon and Temple could do some deep damage.
    
    JD, your selective memory will let you believe what you want to ...
    I've seen that during football season ....

    Seen what during football sason Doc?  I've rooted for the Giants since
    pre-school days.  So youse barking up the wrong true there, kid.  Or,
    are you still mad about my calling hte Oilers a wimp team for playing a
    stat-inflating offense?  
    
    Anyway, this is the Big8 note, so enough of that.
    
    JD
    
    PS:  Kansas sure surprised a lot of folks on Saturday.  I still think
    that foul-shooting will come back to haunt them.

    WHo's the favorite in tonight's Oklahoma-Colorado matchup in the NIT?
    
    NAZZ

    WHo cares?  Minutemen will kick butt on either one.
    
    John

    Oklahoma is favored by 4.5 over CU
    Stanford is favored by 3.5 over UMass
    
    

    
    Damned Tubbs won again.
    
    Anyone know how old that huy named "House" is who plays for CU? Looks
    about 30.
    
    Rich
    

    
    Colorado was ahead 49-36 at half time...what the hell happened
    heard the final was 88-78 Oklahoma!!!!
    
    kevin

    The Temple/OSU game had to be one of the most exhausting and
    frustrating games I've seen.  If OSU 3-point shooting hadn't
    been so unusually hot it could have turned into a real blowout
    early on but instead the game was a nail biter until the end
    of OT.  I know it's sour grapes but the fact that Temple sent
    the wrong player to the line for a couple of free-throws--and
    made them both--still has me a bit hot.  The kid that was supposed
    to take the shots had something like a 45% average and the one
    that actually took the shoot was shooting around 75%.  Using
    simple mathematics I came up with the conclusion that if the
    correct player had taken the shots the odds were that he wouldn't
    have made more than 1 of the 2 shots.  Then, at the end of the
    game, when OSU had made the beautiful almost-3-pointer, OSU 
    would have won the game.  No Over-Time would be needed.  Then
    again, if the refs would have given OSU a small break they
    could have called this last shot a 3-pointer--but I wouldn't
    feel good about a tainted win. (A tainted loss aint much
    better tho').
    
    Anyway, OSU missed the chance, by a hair, to play N Carolina.
    And from the score (I missed the game) may very well have matched
    up better with NC than with Temple and their defense (that OSU
    had never seen before).  The Cowboys were very close to the 
    Final4 this year and should feel good about this year.  Not bad
    for Sutton's first year as head coach.
    
    Kansas is playing well and hopefully will make it to the big
    game against UNLV.  Who knows, KU may catch the cheaters when
    they're asleep and beat 'em.  Hope they get the chance.
    
    Cowboy
      

    
    > Then, at the end of the
    > game, when OSU had made the beautiful almost-3-pointer, OSU 
    > would have won the game.  No Over-Time would be needed.  Then
    > again, if the refs would have given OSU a small break they
    > could have called this last shot a 3-pointer--but I wouldn't
    > feel good about a tainted win. (A tainted loss aint much
    > better tho').                          
    
    I don't know.  In spite of the claims of the announcers, I couldn't
    tell whether or not the guy's foot was on the line.  If it had gone the
    other way, I don't think there would have been much of a complaint.
    
    glenn
    

    I have no idea either if it was a 3-pointer since the TV
    reception was so poor.  I just thought that the refs might
    call it 3 because of their earlier screw up with the free
    throw shooters.
    
    

    CU lost to OU last night 88-78.  Make that, CU choked against OU last
    night.  I was only able to catch bits and pieces of the game because my
    wife was watching that stupid awards thing.  But I didn't need to see
    much to realize this 2nd-half collapse was typical of the Buffs'
    season.  CU had a 10-point lead just before intermission, and then 
    Vandiver hit a long 3-pointer to put them up by 13 at the half.  They
    led by 14 with about 13 minutes left.  Then Tubbs installed a trap that
    CU had trouble with, plus they went stone cold from the field as OU won
    going away.  CU play UMass Wednesday evening in a consolation game
    (big deal).
    
    RE: OSU 3-pointer at end of Temple game
    It looked like his foot was on the line to me.  Too bad for OSU, I was
    pulling for 'em.
    
    Joe                                         

            ??  HOUSTON+SUTTON='92NCAACHAMPS  ??
    
    I'm with you.  But, Eddie's got to Dicipline/Control Houston a 
    little bit more.  His weak off balance last second shot in 
    the Temple game says it all.
    
    Reminds me a little of a young Manning when he was trying to do 
    it all for Kansas.  Good Luck...but dont forget Roy and the boys!
                     
    Kansas Comet
    

 >                     <<< Note 18.127 by STA201::MCNIEL >>>
 >                  -< Mark Randall cover of S.I. this week! >-
 >
 >           ??  HOUSTON+SUTTON='92NCAACHAMPS  ??
 >   
 >   I'm with you.  But, Eddie's got to Dicipline/Control Houston a 
 >   little bit more.  His weak off balance last second shot in 
 >   the Temple game says it all.
    
    
    Big Ed HAS had some effect on the team.  I read awhile back that
    both Houston and Pittman are members of the "5 and 5 Club".  The
    "club members" are players that Sutton drove out to the edge of
    town to where the "Welcome to Stillwater" sign is.  This is FIVE
    miles from campus and at FIVE o'clock in the AM.  The club member
    has to walk back to school.  Both Houston and Pittman supposedly
    have more respect for Sutton now and in Houston's case it definitely
    has helped him control his fighting during games.  He used to be
    quick to retaliate during games but now has shown to hold up.
    
    Congrats to CU for their win.  OU lost
    
    Cowboy

    Cowboy,
    
    Any predictions on next years Big 8 (B-ball) finish?
    
    Mine would read like this:
    
    1. Oklahoma St. (who's coming back?)
    2. Kansas (No Seniors...excellent recruiting crop - #2 in U.S.)
    3. Colorado (who's coming back?)
    4. Oklahoma (Tubb's...any relation to Tark the Shark)
    5. Missouri (Lose scorers - Peeler & Smith) 
    6. Nebraska (lose everybody...love the Coach and his gangster suits)
    7. Iowa St. (I think they lose Victor "the school bus" this year)
    8. K-State (low on talent...needs Hartman back)
    
    On paper...The Big 8 may be lucky to field 2-3 teams in the Tourney
    next year.  Any thoughts?                          
    
    Comet
    

>    3. Colorado (who's coming back?)
   
    Well I don't know the exact numbers of who is coming back, I do know
    that 3 of CU's premier players will be gone.  They Shaun Vandiver, who
    has been all Big-8 the last 2 years, Stevie Wise, and Rodell "House"
    Guest.  Note: Guest's basketball eligibility has been used up, but he
    will be trying out for a linebacker position on the football team this
    fall, because he has another year of school.  Harrington definitely has
    the program moving in the right direction, but I would be pessimistic
    about expecting this team to take the next step forward next season,
    which would be making the NCAA field.
    
    Right now I would say next year's team will be respectable, but won't
    do quite as well as this year's team did. 
    
    Meanwhile, it's almost time for spring football!
    
    Joe   

    Joe,
    
    1. Any chance Colorado is going to open up there Offense and Defense
       to reflect a more PRO-style?  
    
    I've been wrestling with this for years.  You know, the Big 3's 
    predictable attack offensively as well as there inability to Defense
    the pass (ala Miami, ND, etc...).  Hopefully your not a "bone/option"
    biggot. I just feel the Big 3 needs to open it up a little.  
    
    2. CU's schedule next year? Is it as tough as last years?
    
    3. Do you think CU could get a pre-season ranking of #1 for '92?
    
    Kansas Comet
            

    
>    1. Any chance Colorado is going to open up there Offense and Defense
>       to reflect a more PRO-style?  
   
    Not in the next couple of years.  Although we don't now who the
    starting QB will be next fall, it will be a predominantly option guy. 
    The 3 possibilities are Hagan (recovering from OB knee injury), Johnson
    (still contemplating whether to give up football to concentrate on
    school), and Vance Joseph (he will be the starter if Hagan or Johnson
    aren't the starter.  In '89 they were predominantly ran much more than
    passed, although Hagan did pass and run for 1000 yards that season. 
    Last year Hagan increased his passing yardage significantly, although
    his efficiency went down.  I expect CU to pass at least as much as last
    year if not more no matter who the QB is, but as far as going to a more
    pro style, no, they just haven't recruited that kind of QB.
     
>    2. CU's schedule next year? Is it as tough as last years?
    
    Not even close.  Their 4 non-conference games are Wyoming, Baylor, and
    Minnesota all at home, and at Stanford.  Not *real* bad, but a far cry
    from one of the nation's toughest schedules.
    
>    3. Do you think CU could get a pre-season ranking of #1 for '92?
    
    I assume you mean this year ('91, not '92)
    No.  They'll probably be ranked in the top 10 due to last year's
    championship, but I think they belong in the 2nd 10 going into '91.         
    I liken this team somewhat to Notre Dame for the upcoming season.  Both
    are losing a lot of great talent, but on the other hand they have the
    talent sitting there waiting, just needs to develop and get experience
    (although ND undoubtedly has much more talent, but you see what I
    mean).  With the fairly easy non-con schedule, I see no reason this
    team can't go undefeated until they meet OU or NU, and by then they
    may have jelled into one of the nation's top teams.  I don't expect 
    anything like the last 2 seasons, but 9 or 10 wins certainly isn't out
    of the question.  As a matter of fact, if they win less than 9 in the
    regular season, I will be somewhat disappointed.
    
    BTW, my nephew goes to KU, and he tells me they're gonna have a good
    team this fall.  He didn't mean top 10 or anything that great, but it
    sounds like 6 or 7 wins isn't out of the question.  Their schedule has
    to be easier than last year's, and I heard they dropped their game with
    Miami in Lawrence.
    
    Joe
              

    
    The way they finished up last year, and coming off probation, I
    *expect*, and not hope, that Oklahoma will win the Big 8 title next 
    year and be returning to the Orange Bowl.  I think they have the 
    personnel to do it, and with Colorado and Nebraska graduating a lot of
    their talent, they may even be the pre-season favorite.
    
    glenn
     

    Joe,
    
    I can't field any KU football futures.  You see, I'm still  
    mourning KU's overtime loss to Penn St in the Orange Bowl ('68).
    We lost because we had 12 men on the field.  
    
    I have heard positive rumblings from Lawerence though.  In fact I 
    predict a #4 finish this year (Big 8).  The talk is KU can hang with 
    anybody in the Big 8 for the first 2 to 3 quarters. The problem with 
    the Hawks is depth.  We can field 22 and thats it!!  Injuries and 
    the game lasting 4 quarters kills us.  Predominately this is a 
    recruiting problem that stems from the bulk of our talent leaving the 
    state to go E, W, N, or S ...but not to Lawrence.    
    
    Seriously, as an alumn of '81...we've obviously been more proud
    of our round ball ('86, '88, & '91 FINAL 4 appearances).  However,
    it would be pretty slick to slip in the Top 3 sometime....maybe in
    my lifetime.
    
    Go Hawks - Hammer the Heels!!
    
    Comet  

    Comet, I really like your bball predictions for next year and can't
    argue with it.  (Especially with OSU at the top of the list)  Wasn't
    KU picked to end up around the middle of the BIG-8 for this year?
    Anyway, they certainly are ending their season hot.  
    
    Recapping the BIG-8 bball year:
    
    Kansas	co-BIG-8 champs, Final 4(or better) in NCAA tourney
    Okla St	co-BIG-8 champs, Sweet 16 in NCAA tourney
    Nebraska	made NCAA tourney play
    Missouri	BIG-8 tourney winner (ineligible for NCAA tourney)
    Oklahoma	2nd place in NIT tourney
    Colorado	3rd place in NIT tourney
    
    Kansas State and Iowa State--probably would have been respectable 
    in either NCAA or NIT tourneys if they had been invited
    
    Overall, a real competitive conference this year.
    
    Cowboy
    

    Richard Scott?  ....a freshman?
    
    I cant believe my eyes!  He played possesed!!  
    
    I've followed the team all year...and he just hasn't seen much playing
    time.  But, did you see him in the first half?  
    
    Unbelieveable...
    
    Anybody got anything on this guy?
    
    
    Comet
    

    re: Scott
    
    I don't know anything about him and I wish I didn't miss the game.
    KU was 10-1 odds at winning the NCAA before the Final4 started.
    Anyone know the line or odds now?  They should have a good shot
    at it especially after Duke's fantastic upset.  That was a GREAT
    game.  Anytime UNLV looses is great.  The paper today talks about
    the parties and parades all being cancelled in Vegas.  I can't
    feel sorry for them.
    
    GO 'hawks
    
    Cowboy
    

    Well, it's opening day...
    
    
    
    ...for spring football at Colorado!!!!
    
    The Buffs are losing 7 starters on offense and 5 on defense.  Their
    biggest concern will be rebuilding the offensive line, where they lose
    3 starters.  House Guest will be trying to earn a spot at OLB, where
    Kanavis McGhee and Alfred Williams have left big holes.  Hagan's rehab
    is going as scheduled and he will start running this month.  He is
    expected to play next season, but to what extent is unknown at this
    time.
    
    Joe

    Oklahoma State beat OU for the BIG-8 Tourney Championship this last
    weekend.  That's the one and only BIG-8 game the Colorado papers gave
    a score on.
    
    Cowboy
    

    McCartney suspended starting right guard Bryan Campbell for the 1991
    season.  All Mac would say is he broke team rules.
    
    At Nebraska, Mike Grant said he will redshirt this year if he doesn't
    win the starting QB job.  Joseph is projected as their starter, but is
    expected to get a good challenge from Grant and Tom Haas(sp).  Haas is
    a good passer and played well in relief of Grant in the Citrus Bowl.
    
    Joe

  COLORADO                 IOWA STATE                 KANSAS
----------------        -----------------         -----------------
S7  WYOMING             S7  E. ILLINOIS           S7  @ Toledo
S14 BAYLOR              S14 IOWA                  S14 TULSA
S21 MINNESOTA           S21 @ Wisconsin           S21 NEW MEXICO ST.
S28 @ Stanford          S28 @ Rice                O5  @ Virginia
O12 MISSOURI            O5  OKLAHOMA              O12 @ Kansas St.
O19 @ Oklahoma          O19 @ Kansas              O19 IOWA ST.
O26 @ Kansas St.        O26 OKLAHOMA ST.          O26 @ Oklahoma
N2  NEBRASKA            N2  @ Missouri            N2  @ Oklahoma St.
N9  @ Oklahoma St.      N9  KANSAS ST.            N9  NEBRASKA
N16 KANSAS              N16 @ Nebraska            N16 @ Colorado
N23 @ Iowa St.          N23 COLORADO              N23 MISSOURI



  KANSAS ST.               MISSOURI                  NEBRASKA
----------------        -----------------         ----------------
S7  INDIANA ST.         S14 ILLINOIS              S7  UTAH ST.
S14 IDAHO ST.           S21 @ Baylor              S14 COLORADO ST.
S21 N. ILLINOIS         S28 INDIANA               S21 WASHINGTON
S28 @ Washington        O5  MEMPHIS ST.           S28 @ Arizona St.
O12 KANSAS              O12 @ Colorado            O12 @ Oklahoma St.
O19 @ Nebraska          O19 OKLAHOMA ST.          O19 KANSAS ST.
O26 COLORADO            O26 @ Nebraska            O26 MISSOURI
N2  @ Oklahoma          N2  IOWA ST.              N2  @ Colorado
N9  @ Iowa St.          N9  OKLAHOMA              N9  @ Kansas
N16 MISSOURI            N16 @ Kansas St.          N16 IOWA ST.
N23 @ Oklahoma St.      N23 @ Kansas              N29 OKLAHOMA



  OKLAHOMA                OKLAHOMA ST.
------------------      -----------------
S14 NORTH TEXAS         S7  @ Tulsa
S21 UTAH ST.            S14 ARIZONA ST.
S28 VIRGINIA TECH       S21 TCU
O5  @ Iowa St.          O5  @ Miami(Fla.)
O12 Texas (at Dallas)   O12 NEBRASKA
O19 COLORADO            O19 @ Missouri
O26 KANSAS              O26 @ Iowa St.
N2  KANSAS ST.          N2  KANSAS
N9  @ Missouri          N9  COLORADO
N16 OKLAHOMA ST.        N16 @ Oklahoma
N29 @ Nebraska          N23 KANSAS ST.

    >  OKLAHOMA                OKLAHOMA ST.
    > ------------------      -----------------
    > S14 NORTH TEXAS         S7  @ Tulsa
    > S21 UTAH ST.            S14 ARIZONA ST.
    > S28 VIRGINIA TECH       S21 TCU
    > O5  @ Iowa St.          O5  @ Miami(Fla.)
    > O12 Texas (at Dallas)   O12 NEBRASKA
    
    OU's soft pre-season should help them start off on the right foot. 
    On the other hand, this year's OSU team will be lucky to win 1-2
    of their 1st 5 games.  My poor team is supposed to take the cellar
    this year anyway but I still hate to see them blown away too many
    times this year!
    
    Hope OSU can surprise some teams this year.
    
    Cowboy
    

	>>season.  All Mac would say is he broke team rules.
    
    
    Whaddhe do? refuse to assult someone?
    

>    Oklahoma State beat OU for the BIG-8 Tourney Championship this last
>    weekend.  That's the one and only BIG-8 game the Colorado papers gave
>    a score on.
    
>    Cowboy

This is the norm for Colorado sport press, unfortunately. When I lived in 
Omaha, if there was anything going on in the Big-8 it was reported. I get
much more info from this note about the Big-8 than I could ever get from
the Colorado press.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, here is a little news I got from
the boys in Omaha Field Svc...

See if you can figure out what * MIGHT * happen next year at Nebraska from
this recent small chain of events:

	Bob Devany anounces that he will retire as Nebraska Athletic Director
	after this year.

	A long time Nebraska assistant coach (the name is on the tip of my
	tongue but I just can't recall it right now) is promoted to the title
	of "Head Assistant Football Coach."

	Osborne under intense pressure from fans and media after 2 poor seasons.

	Osborne announces he is going to "open the offense up" this year.

The way I read this is that * POTENIALLY * next year - Osborne steps down as
head football coach and accepts position as Nebraska Athletic Director. The
"Head Assistant Football Coach" is promoted to Head Football Coach.

Could it be that BIG changes are on the horizon for Nebraska Football? I hope
so !!! It's time for some changes. A lot of things are pointing toward the
modernization of the Husker offense. Hey, if Oklahoma can dump the wishbone
then NU can change and pass the fricking ball !!!

I-back Flowers has resigned from the NU program. No reasons given in the press. 
Sophmore Brown is much better than him anyway.

Osborne announced that Mickey Joseph is the starting QB going into summer camp.
Haase is not far behind and if Haase takes the starting role then the Huskers
could throw the ball 25-30 times per game. 

If they can make that effective, just think how effetive it could be MIXED
with Nebraska's running game.

Well, that's about all I have for now.

Just some personal thoughts about the upcomeing season:

	Oklahoma has to be the pre-season favorite to win the Big-8.

	The long-term strength of Colorado's program will be severely tested
	this year as they lost the bulk of their talent and offensive line.
	Nebraska and Oklahoma have "reloaded" year after year. This year will
	tell if Colorado can start a "reload" trend of their own.

	Nebraska is once again a question mark. They have excellent skill
	position talent but it is young. What about the defense? They lost
	some talent high in the NFL draft, but we all know that they dident
	have much more talent than what was drafted. Can they beef up their
	interior defensive line? This was their defensive weakness last year.

	Colorado will be virtually untested in pre-Big-8 play, just as
	Nebraska was last year.

	Nebraska has a tougher pre-Big-8 schedule this year than the last
	few years. Colorado has the equiv. of the Huskers schedule from the
	last 2 years and Oklahoma has a mild pre-season schedule also. Nebr.
	plays at Colorado, Oklahoma plays at Nebraska, and Colorado plays
	at Oklahoma.

It's way to early for any predictions,

Husker Henderson

> This is the norm for Colorado sport press, unfortunately. When I lived in 
> Omaha, if there was anything going on in the Big-8 it was reported. I get
> much more info from this note about the Big-8 than I could ever get from
> the Colorado press.

    Marty, have you tried The Denver Post?  It probably doesn't stack up to
    what you're used to in Omaha, but it sure beats the local paper, the
    Calhan Gazette(tm).  Hell, all that paper's good for is reading about
    figure skating or the Sky Jokes(tm).
    
>	Oklahoma has to be the pre-season favorite to win the Big-8.
    
    They are.
    
>	The long-term strength of Colorado's program will be severely tested
>	this year as they lost the bulk of their talent and offensive line.
>	Nebraska and Oklahoma have "reloaded" year after year. This year will
>	tell if Colorado can start a "reload" trend of their own.

    This is a good point, that CU doesn't end up being a short stint like
    West Virginia of 1988, for example.  While they are expected to drop
    off this year, I think anything less than 8-3 would be a big
    disappointment.
     
>	Colorado will be virtually untested in pre-Big-8 play, just as
>	Nebraska was last year.

    Wrong.  Do you realize that Baylor is ranked in most preseason top
    20's and Inside Sports has Baylor ranked ahead of the Buffs?  And the
    game at Stanford is not going to be any cakewalk.  A loss in the
    preseason is certainly not out of the question.  
    
    
    Joe

> Title:  Holy Cow...Marty's alive!!!

Yea I'm alive, but I barely made it through last season alive.  ;^)
No, make that the last 2 seasons. Remember - I'm an avid Husker fan living
in Colorado !!!


Joe, it remains to be seen if Baylor is really any good. I remember last
year us Husker fans trying to eek out anything positive possible from the
Huskers embaressing schedule. Well I just don't see any difference between
the Huskers last year and Colorado this year. The Buffs schedule is just
as weak as Nebraska's last year. Why don't you just accept it and admit 
that it's a bad schedule like I did last year? Remember, this schedule was
made way before Colorado was even a good team so it's not a case of McArtney
manipulating anything in his favor.

I'm glad Nebraska has at least a respectable schedule this year. Now * IF *
the Huskers can go unbeaten in the 4 pre-conference games they can potentialy
gain some real respect again.

Geez I hope Osborne starts Haase and gets "a passing life!!!!"

Nebraska Marty  aka  Husker Henderson, Big Red Bad Boy, Bugeater Bob...

		     

    The difference in CU's schedule of this year and NU's of last year is
    CU doesn't have a Northern Illinois on their schedule.  CU has 2
    losable games on their preseason schedule, whereas NU only had 1 last
    year.  I will certainly admit CU's non-con schedule is weak, but IMO
    it's not quite as weak as NU's of the last couple of years.
    
    NU fans should be very happy if the Huskers finish the preseason
    unbeaten.  Washington is considered to be a legitimate top 5 team.
    But you're right, we need to wait and see if certain teams are as good
    as they're cracked up to be.  I remember seeing Pitt ranked in some top
    10's last year, and they only won 3 games.  On the other hand, some 
    didn't even have Georgia Tech ranked before the season started.
    
    Oklahoma could end up having the easiest non-con schedule when it's all
    over if Texas ends up being a disappointment.  Their other 3 games are
    sure wins.  I wouldn't be surprised to OU run the table this year.
    
    
    Joe

College pre-season ratings are worthless.

    > College pre-season ratings are worthless.
    
    I hope you're right Marty, Oklahoma State is favored to take the cellar
    this year.  But then, this is the first year they haven't had an
    experienced RB.  In fact, none of their RBs have ever carried the
    ball in a college game!!  It looks to be a loooong year.
    
    Cowboy

Taken from The Denver Post, August 11th, written by John Henderson


               CU Question Marks/Good news, bad news for 1991

An early look at each position:

OFFENSIVE LINE
The Good News: Jay Leeuwenburg is ranked the best center in the country, 
and of the newcomers, three were prep All-Americans.

The Bad News: Besides Leeuwenburg, the other 15 on the depth chart have
appeared in 17 total games on the offensive line.

Watch This Guy: Redshirt Derek West from Pomona High School (in Denver) has 
put on 50 pounds since his senior year and should be the first freshman to
start on the offensive line since Joe Garten in 1987.


QUARTERBACK
The Good News: Two-time all-Big Eight QB Darian Hagan, coming off serious
knee surgery, is proclaiming, "I can do everything."

The Bad News: The rare injury to Hagan's patellar tendon wasn't caused by 
contact.  Meaning, what happens when he first tests it on a full-tilt cut
upfield?

Watch This Guy: Sophomore Vance Joseph may be better than his brother 
Mickey at Nebraska.


RUNNING BACK
The Good News: Sophomore James Hill, a prep All-American from Colorado
Springs, is set at fullback and averaged more than 6 yards a carry in 
mop-up duty last year.

The Bad News: Sophomore Chuck Snowden, probably CU's most promising runner, 
is still hampered by an Achilles problem that may last all year.

Watch This Guy: Redshirt freshman Erik Mitchell runs a 4.3 40.


RECEIVERS
The Good News: Rico Smith didn't start, but he played in all 12 games and
led Colorado with 29 yards per catch.

The Bad News: Who will ever see the ball if Hagan isn't protected?

Watch This Guy: Mark Henry, a walk-on from Fleming (CO) and eight-man
football, should start at wingback.


DEFENSIVE LINE
The Good News: The Sporting News picked senior nose tackle Joel Steed as
preseason Big Eight defensive player of the year.

The Bad News: With the loss of sack artists Alfred Williams and Kanavis
McGhee at linebacker and Garry Howe at tackle, this talented line will have
to become sack happy in a hurry.

Watch This Guy: On a team featuring the Butkus Award winner and the Outland
Trophy runnerup last year, sophomore nose tackle Jeff Brunner was Colorado's
strongest player.


LINEBACKER
The Good News: Colorado's top tacklers - Greg Biekert and Chad Brown - 
return on the inside.  Biekert even led the league.

The Bad News: On the outside are a converted quarterback, a converted
basketball player and a converted Oregon State Beaver.

Watch This Guy: Junior-college transfer Sam Rogers - if he's eligible -
had 21 sacks at West Los Angeles J.C. last year and 33 in two years.


SECONDARY
The Good News: The deepest area on the team and maybe the best in coach
Bill McCartney's 10 years.

The Bad News: Opponents hit 54 percent last year - even with 41 sacks -
so there was a leak somewhere.

Watch This Guy: Junior Ronnie bradford blocked an extra point in the 
Orange Bowl and about a half-dozen kicks in the spring.  He'll finally
get to show his speed at cornerback.


SPECIAL TEAMS
The Good News: Place-kicker Jim Harper is back after making 14 of 22 
field-goal attempts.

The Bad News: Will fighting Pat Blottiaux for the job shake Harper's 
confidence?

Watch This Guy: CU's staff may meet Canadian Mitch Berger at the customs
window to make sure he gets through and saves a scary punting situation.


One note: McCartney announced yesterday that Chad Brown has been moved to
outside linbacker.


Joe

    McCartney announced yesterday that Hagan (Yes, Darian Hagan) will 
    return punts this season if he can beat out the competition at that 
    position.
    

    re:-1
    Did McCartney mention how good the backup QB is?  That's got to be
    the most stupid thing he's done.  I think CU would be better off
    with marginal punt returns.  The paper said that Hagan's injury
    could suddenly reoccur--even without contact.  (It was originally
    caused without contact)  Why take unnecessary chances with the
    starting QB?
    
    Cowboy
    

    
    	Mac is doing it so that DH can show his wares to the 
    	pro scouts (read "he won't make it as an nfl qb").  He
    	feels he owes it to him.  I don't think it'll happen.
    	They have some real burners that return punts and I
    	doubt DH will beat them out.  In that same article, it
    	was reported that a couple of baseball organizations are
    	very high on him (Toronto and Seattle) as a shortstop.  If
    	I were him, I'd quit football and have a go at baseball.
    	He'll enjoy a much longer career (if he's as good those
    	two teams think).
    
    	Of course there is always the Canadien Football League....
    	Don't they have some rule up there about no qb can be
    	taller than Doug Flutie?  :^)
    
    	Claybone

    Yeah, there's not much need for option QBs in the pros.  That's
    too bad (too bad for their future) that so many potentially good
    RBs have taken the QB jobs at schools like OU and now CU.
    Really, I'm surprised that many of them haven't found a spot
    as a pro RB.  Maybe, since they've usually been kinda small has
    something to do with it.
    
    I'm ready for some good BIG-8 games.
    
    Cowboy  

I agree with Cowboy on this one. Why risk Hagen? He is a proven QB who has
experience, field generalship, and good enough thowing ability for a withbone
type of team. He is extremely valuable to the team and, IMHO, they need his
leadership to have a chance in the Big-8.

I also agree that if he has a decent shot at baseball (Been Bely Bely gud to me)
he should give up football ideas for pro ball and try baseball.

Canadian footall is an alternative. Turner Gill (Husker QB '81, '82, '83 - 
Huskers of '83, the best that will ever be) did very well in that league untill
he suffered several concussions (spelling?) and the doctors told him to quit.
But he was an option QB who happened to be a very good passer. Nebraska/Osborne
dident use him to his full extent. If they had I maintain that NU would have
been back to back Natl Champs in '82 and '83. Oh, but I'm rambling now.

Anyway, Hagen's leg could go again any time and he should not be returning
punts. CU shold have enough talent so he dosent have to do it.

I've been trying to get ahold of the guys in Omaha Field Service for Husker
camp news but those guys are always out try'in to fix those vax's, and they
almost never read their mail. Of course the Colorado media gives no news but
CU and Donko's. When I get some news I'll let ya know.

Bugeater Marty

    The Big Eight Skywriters Tour began yesterday in Columbia.  I'll put in
    the writeup of each team over the next week or so.  There's a quick
    summary of each team followed by an article on that team.  This is all
    being taken from The Denver Post.  Enjoy.
    
    
MISSOURI/At a Glance
                          
Last Year: 4-7, 2-5 (tie sixth)

Lettermen, starters back: 47, 5 offense, 7 defense.

Strength: Offensive line.  Four starters return after giving up only 20 sacks
in 424 pass plays.  And they're huge, averaging 294 pounds.

Weakness: Linebackers.  They were so bad, coach Bob Stull switched from a
3-4 to 4-3 then fired defensive coordinator at season's end.  They're so 
slow, Stull moved in a strong safety.

Key date: Oct. 12 at Colorado.  Fifth-down loss last year sent Missouri in 
the tank.  Emotional rematch will test Tigers' alleged new speed against
option.

Program needs: Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf.  Maybe he could instill discipline
and improve image of a program going nowhere fast.

Quotable quote: Stull - "We have some talented guys in the secondary, but
you just don't know.  It's like your daughter coming home at 4 o'clock in
the morning carrying a Gideon Bible.  You just don't know."



'Stull grabs Missouri's off-field woes by the tail', by John Henderson

Columbia, MO - Gen. George Patton.  Joe Montana.  Even God.  Their actions
have all been used by college-football coaches to teach their charges.  At
Missouri this year, coach Bob Stull used someone else.  Pee Wee Herman.
   The sympathy Missouri reaped from its fifth-down loss to Colorado was 
replaced by embarrassment from an offseason police blotter as thick as the
Mizzou playbook.
   Missouri players were arrested nine times in six separate incidents,
ranging from drunk driving to date rape.  Stull, in his third year, had a 
unique speech planned when his players arrived for fall camp.
   "Whether you're a politician or Pee Wee Herman, it don't make a 
difference," Stull told his team.  "When Pee Wee Herman was arrested (for 
indecent exposure in an adult movie theater), they made a plea bargain to do
community service.  He could've raised a million dollars for the city.  But
to them that wasn't a plea at all.
   "You must realize, if you get in trouble, you'll get the max.  Not the 
minimum.  The max."
   The courts aren't through sentencing, but Stull is.  Gone are starters in
defensive end Curtis Roberts (shoplifting) and tight end David Frisch 
(burglary) plus reserves in tailback Mark Jackson (assault and burglary),
linebacker Louis Thomas (rape), linebacker Tony Cooper (assault) and 
linebacker Lance Noel (drunk driving).
   Two others, fullback Michael Washington (burglary) and running back Tony 
Van Zant (assault), were allowed back on the team after pleading guilty to
lesser charges.
   Oh, yes, prep All-America recruit Reagan Allen was arrested for drunk
driving Aug. 9 before he ever set foot on campus.
   "There are two things we can't do for players," Stull said.  "We can't 
study for them, and we can't execute proper behavior.  If they don't study or
behave in a proper manner, they'll pay the consequences."
   So is Stull.  The only arrested players he recruited were Jackson and
Washington.  The others arrived under previous coach Woody Widenhofer.
   But Stull is taking the heat in a sports-crazed town that's up to its
mortat boards in basketball probation and football scandal.
   Stull, with one hand, points his finger elsewhere.  Yesterday, he pointed 
it at the media, which arrived here for the first stop on the Big Eight 
Skywriters' Tour.
   "I was at the CFA meeting, and I was talking to a lot of coaches and not
one didn't go through this at one time or another," he said.  "Nebraska had
its time; Oklahoma had its time, and Colorado had its time.  You can go right
down the line here and won't find one of you guys who hasn't written a 
similar story."
   But with the other hand, he pointed the finger at himself and took action.
During this season, bars are banned.
   That's apparently a good place to start.
   "Guys were so disgusted with the off-season," he said, "they accepted it."
   Stull isn't stopping there.  In the past, he has encouraged recruiters to
discuss recruits with counselors and principals.  Now, he's requiring it.
   "From now on," Stull said, "we're making sure we see everyone and see a 
different perspective than the coach."
   So far, that perspective in Missouri is pretty ugly. 

    Stull's done a good job and may have the worst ahead of him.
    But, then again, he may find it easier to recruit good players
    that want to play football.
    
    Joe, where'd you find the Missouri info?  The Post?  I haven't
    seen much BIG-8 in the GT. (Not surprising)
    
    Cowboy

KANSAS/At a glance

Last year; 3-7-1, 2-4-1 (tie fourth).

Lettermen, starters back: 49, 10 offense, 8 defense.

Strength: Offensive line.  Kansas was 30th in nation in rushing despite 
injuries in its backfield.

Weakness: Secondary.  Opponents threw for 2,361 yards and 14 touchdowns
last year.  And heads up.  All four starters return.

Key date: Sept. 7 at Toledo.  Win in opener could mean a 5-1 start, best
since 1968.

Program needs: A star.  Tailback Tony Sands wears a tuxedo, but when your
best player is a kicker from Berlin, you'd better get into a bowl game.  
It's the only way you'll get on TV.

Quotable quote: Coach Glen Mason on his 1-10 first season in 1988 - "It's 
kind of like going in for an operation and the doctor says dying on the 
operating table isn't the worst thing that can happen to you.  You could
survive and go on."



'Jayhawks aiming for a bowl ring', by John Henderson

   Lawrence, Kan. - With apologies to Nike, Bo Jackson and anyone equating
Kansas football with vaudeville, here's the Jayhawks' motto on their T-shirts
this fall: "It's a Ring Thing."
   OK, it's a cheap rip-off of Jackson's Nike ad.  And knowing the Jayhawks'
history, it should stand for the ringing they've heard when they had their
helmets bashed in every week for 10 years.
   But brace yourself.  Kansas, without a bowl bid since 1981, with one
winning record in 15 years and employer of more field bosses than the New 
York Yankees, is talking bowl rings.
   "We heard the same jokes Colorado heard seven years ago," quarterback Chip
Hilleary said.  "To be honest, I haven't heard a joke in over a year."
   Hilleary isn't quite sure when the laughter stopped.  Maybe last year when
Kansas outgained Oklahoma 223-43 in the second half.  Or when Kansas beat 
Oklahoma State for the first time since 1972.  Or when Kansas gained 410
yards against Nebraska.
   Whatever, no one's laughing now.  In the preseason media poll, Kansas was
picked fourth.
   "I feel we're there," said tailback Tony Sands, one of 10 starters back on 
offense.  "The offensive line, the defensive line, the defensive backs, the
running backs, we feel in our heart we can go to a bowl game.  We can play
versus the big boys."
   They could play in a bowl game because they won't play many big boys.  
Kansas dropped Miami(FL), and added Toledo as the opener.
   Then comes Tulsa, New Mexico State, Virginia and Kansas State.  
Realistically, Kansas could be 4-1 heading into its homecoming game against
Iowa State.
   Do you believe?  Folks here do.  Kansas has sold 17,500 season tickets and
could reach the 20,000 mark for only the second time since 1978.
   "Let's face it, Kansas football was a joke," said fourth-year coach Glen 
Mason, hired as Kansas' fifth coach in 10 years.  "Everybody thought it was
a laughing matter but me.  Picked fourth is an indication that the perception
has a chance to change.  Whether it does is up to us."
   Besides a handpicked schedule, Kansas finally has talent.  "We should
do well," Mason told the Skywriters yesterday.  "If we don't, you'll be on
my tail, and you should be."
   Sands is 728 yards from Laverne Smith's school rushing mark of 3,074 and
Hilleary was third in the Big Eight with 1,730 passing yards.
   Four offensive linemen return, and defensive lineman Gilbert Brown may be
the most agile 300-pounder in the league.  The defense, however, could
still be a disaster.
   "Our players are bigger, faster and stronger," Mason said, "and there are
more of them."
   No longer can Kansas bus to practice in a VW van.  Mason's near sweep of
in-state prospects has helped boost scholarship palyers from 51 two years
ago to 91.
   He said after his first team meeting in '89, "I thought I was being
boycotted," but now it's standing room only.
   "I feel like a football coach again," he said.  "I don't feel like in
previous seasons wondering if we can survive an 11-game season."
   And the players feel like players again.  Putting Sands, at 5-foot-6 and
175 pounds, behind some fo Kansas' former lines was like putting a cat on
I-70.
   "Before, I'd kind of open one eye and try to find the hole," Sands said.
"Now, I open them big so I make sure I make the right cut."
   Everyone else in Kansas has their eyes wide open, too.

KANSAS STATE/At a glance

Last year: 5-6, 2-5 (tie sixth)

Lettermen, starters back: 50, 9 offense, 10 defense.

Strength: Wide receivers.  Seniors Michael Smith and Frank Hernandez 
became first two junior teammates in Big Eight history to have 1,000 
career receiving yards.

Weakness: Running back.  Of the first three, Kitt Rawlings has 77 career
yards, Vili Sanft has played 20 football games in his life and Eric
gallon hasn't played running back since 1985.

Key game: Oct. 12 vs. Kansas.  If enough Wildcats are healthy after
Washington game two weeks prior, they can match progress reports against
in-state rival.

Program needs: An ad campaign.  Despite second-best record in 21 years,
Kansas State's turnstile count last season only averaged about 15,000
a game.

Quotable quote: Coach Bill Snyder on being picked last again by the media - 
"People are a creature of habit.  In 120 years have we ever not been picked
last?  When they hand out those ballots, we're probably already typed in."



'Wildcats happy with any victory', by John Henderson

   MANHATTAN, Kan. - College football schedules, theoretically, are set
in concrete.  At Kansas State, they're set in hot-air balloons.
   Let go of Florida.  Put in Western Illinois.  Let go of Wyoming.  Put
in New Mexico State.
   Kansas State's 5-6 record last year represented more wins than its 
last five years combined (4-50-1).  That's because of a good coach, a good
passing attack and a great invention called "scheduling gymnastics."
   The Wildcats beat Division I-AA Western Illinois plus New Mexico State
and New Mexico last year.  This season, Kansas State plays I-AA schools
in Indiana State and Idaho State, then Northern Illinois.
   At Kansas State, however, you won't find anyone blushing.  "When it's
all over," coach bill Snyder said, "no one remembers who you beat."
   The Wildcats, at least, are honest.  This is a school with one winning
season the last 20 years, one bowl game in its 95-year history and a 
30-game winless streak that ended just two years ago.
   What to do?  Easy.  If you can't beat 'em, drop 'em.
   In the last year, Kansas State has dropped Florida, Ohio State, 
Wisconsin and Wyoming and replaced them with, respectively, Western
Illinois, Indiana State, Idaho State and New Mexico State.
  "We're everybody's homecoming team," said Jim Epps, Kansas State's senior
associate athletic director who did the scheduling as interim athletic
director.
   Epps trashed the schedules arranged by former athletic director Larry
Travis, who tried to erase the department's growing debt with what's known
as "body-bag" games.  Every discarded school paid a guarantee of up to
$350,000.  A home game with, say, Idaho State earns about $130,000.
   "We took the approach that, 'God, we need the money but more important,
we need the potential for a win,'" Epps said.  "When you're down so long,
the importance of a win to fans far exceeds the check in the bank account.
"We will not be sacrificial lambs for a paycheck.
   The marshmallows will keep coming, too.  Future schedules include 
Indiana State, Boston University, Rice, Ohio University, Cincinnati and
New Mexico State twice.
   Of course, these were teams that toasted Kansas State in the past.  So 
as the Wildcats improve, their schedules won't.  Synder was all in favor
of replacing Washington.
   "I tried as humanly possible," Snyder said.  "I told (Washington coach)
Don James we wouldn't show up.  He needed to outfit two teams in separate-
colored jerseys and play each other so fans could see a game."
   The juggling doesn't stop at non-conference.  Without the big paydays,
Kansas State has a $5 million debt.  To help reduce that, the Wildcats
will play at Oklahoma this year for the fourth straight season.  The 
difference in playing at Norman or in Manhattan, Epps said, is about
$100,000.  Kansas State may try approaching Nebraska with a similar offer.
   "I'd rather earn money by taking a ballgame to Lincoln or Norman than
schedule another one fo those type teams on the road (in nonleague),"
Snyder said.  However, the athletic department never consulted the players
on this one.
   "I'm tired of playing Oklahoma at Oklahoma," senior wide receiver 
Michael Smith said.  "It's time we play Oklahoma here."

    Thanks for -1!  I'd almost forgotten how bad KSU is.

    
    	You gotta be kidding!  Idaho St.?  Friggin' Mesa St. (a
    	perrenial NAIA Div. 1 power) plays them this year.  That's
    	right, NAIA!  Sheesh.
    
    	Claybone

OKLAHOMA STATE/At a glance

Last year: 4-7, 2-5 (tie sixth)

Lettermen, starters returning: 30, 8 offense, 9 defense.

Strength: Offensive line.  Four starters return, and The Sporting News
ranked it 10th best in nation.

Weakness: Kickers.  On two-deep, three of the four are freshmen and 
senior punter Barry Vincent's a walk-on.

Key date: Oct. 5 at Miami (FL).  Losing 15 scholarships over three years
left Cowboys thin in places.  They can't afford leaving body parts on the
Orange Bowl turf.  The next week - Nebraska.

Program needs: Clean bill of health.  Three years of sanctions end this 
year.  Maybe then, Pat Jones can work his coaching magic again.

Quotable quote: Jones comparing Oklahoma State's patient fans with 
Oklahoma's impatient ones - "(OU fans) saw Bud (Wilkinson) win 47 in a row.
They saw (Barry) Switzer win so many.  I don't mean to say this
egotistically, but these people here saw my teams win 10.  No one else has 
done that here.  When Bud won 47 in a row, Oklahoma State wasn't even in
the league."



'Cowboys still loaded at tailback', by John Henderson

   STILLWATER, Okla. - At Oklahoma State, probabation may come and go and
losing records may come and go, but all-world tailbacks just keep coming
and coming.
   Here at ol' Tailback U., the Big Eight Skywriters yesterday were introduced
to the latest model on the Cowboys' conveyer belt.  
   Rafael Denson hasn't played a down for Oklahoma State.  In fact, he's 
listed third on the depth chart - even behind another freshman.
   But in only three days of contact drills, Denson has made Cowboys coach
Pat Jones break the coaches' code on freshman hype.
   "He's a take-your-breath-away guy," Jones said.  "Every day I saw (Barry)
Sanders and (Thurman) Thomas do that stuff.  This is the first time I've
seen it with this guy."
   Getting Jones to gasp over a tailback is like Michelangelo gasping over
a statue.  Jones coached NCAA rushing champs in Barry Sanders (1988) and
Gerald Hudson (1990), a Heisman Trophy winner in Sanders ('88) and
another All-America tailback in Thomas (1985, '87).
   Last year, Oklahoma State became the first school to have players lead
the NCAA (Hudson), AFC (Thomas) and NFC (Sanders) in rushing in the same
season.
   When Jones talks about tailbacks, people take notes, especially when
he compares Denson with those three.  "I'll leave Hudson out," Jones said.
"He probably compares to the other two."
   Signing Denson was the first step back for a school that's finishing
three years of NCAA sanctions.  OSU's coming off two 4-7 years and can't
play in a bowl game this season.  But next year, it starts over and 
Oklahoma State has the star to do it.
   Denson, 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds, rushed for 2,116 yards and 37
touchdowns in leading Ardmore High to the Oklahoma state 4A title.  He was
an All-America and state player of the year.
   He's a three-time state 100-meter champ with a state-record 10.3.  He
has clocked 4.26 in the 40.  "No one's as fast as Denson," Jones said.  
"No one."
   That's nothing.  Jones should have seen Denson as a real rookie.  In
sixth grade, he gained 4,000 yards and scored 60 touchdowns.
   However, he hasn't grown much since then.  That's why Oklahoma and
Texas wanted him at wide receiver.  That made his decision easier.
   "At first I didn't want to come here because of the probation," Denson
said.  "But I came here and talked to the coaches and players.  OSU is the 
best place to go for tailbacks."  
   He doesn't look strong, but his speed means he doesn't have to be real
durable.  "I've never been hurt before," Denson said.  "I haven't been hit
real hard since I've been here - that is until (defensive players) read
that."
   All this ink, however, may end up lining Denson's bird cage.  He may
not even start.  He's listed behind junior Kelly tancy and redshirt freshman 
Russell Berrien.  Two highly touted freshmen from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., 
L.G. Thompson and Mark Williams, are right on Denson's tail.
   But not one Cowboys tailback has gained a college yard.  And Denson is 
so good, Jones may move Yancy to fullback and use him with Denson.  "It they
stay healthy," Jones said, "we'll have some options."
    

    re: -1
    
    You made my day Joe!  Finally, something positive has been
    written about OSU's team.  They've been picked to take the
    cellar by several mags but atleast they should be starting
    their rebuilding process this year.
    
    I didn't realize the Cowboys were that deep at RB--if you
    can call inexperience 'depth'.  Denson has more real speed
    than I thought too.  With their good line this year OSU
    may be able to control the ball some--if these RBs can
    pan out.  I don't know who is QBing this year.  (No one 
    knew who was QBing last year either.)  Maybe they can
    have some kid just stand there and hand the ball off and
    march down field.
    
    Heeyyy, I caint wait til Sept 7
    
    Cowboy

    Cowboy, glad you're enjoyin' the reports.  BTW, they're coming from The
    Denver Post.  They've had 1 team per day, starting this past Tuesday. 
    The Big Eight title race this year should be real interesting, and the
    champ may end up with 1 conference loss.  OU is the favorite, but I
    wouldn't be at all surprised if CU or NU won it.  CU has alot of talent
    ready to step in, they're just inexperienced.  And I think NU is picked
    2nd or 3rd by most just because of how they finished last season, but
    they have plenty of talent.  If they knock off highly-touted
    Washington early in the season they will suddenly become the conference
    favorite.
    
    Even though the Big Eight race will come down to the big 3, it's 
    definitely a conference where the bottom teams are getting better.
    
    Colorado's opener against Wyoming will be on ESPN at 5:30 pm MDT.
    
    
    Joe
    

                                            
    > And I think NU is picked
    > 2nd or 3rd by most just because of how they finished last season, but
    > they have plenty of talent.  If they knock off highly-touted
    > Washington early in the season they will suddenly become the conference
    > favorite.                                      
      
    I'd say the chances of this occurring increased markedly when WU's
    stud QB Brunelle got nailed in practice and will reportedly be out
    the first half of the season.  Before that I didn't hold out much
    hope for the Huskers...
    
    I hope something similar does not befall Cale Gundy again this
    season.  The Sooners have high expectations riding heavily on his
    shoulders this season.
    
    glenn
    

    re: Raphael Denson
    
    The article, back a couple, was comparing OSU's latest/greatest RB
    to Sanders and Thomas and reminded me of another comparison.  Coaches
    at OU and Texas didn't want to use Denson as a RB but as a WR instead.
    Hopefully, he will fare as well as Sanders and Thomas did at OSU.
    When Sanders was shopping football colleges there were few that were
    even interested in him and the ones that were (KU, OU, 1 or 2 others)
    none would use him as a RB--he was too small for big-time college ball.
    OU wanted him to play DB, for example.  It seems that Thomas had the
    same problem 2 years before.  Denson sounds like he has the speed
    that Thomas didn't ever have but Sanders did.  Hopefully, he will
    have the running intelligence and eyes of Thomas.  If he doesn't
    then he won't ever need the quickness/strength of Sanders.  If he
    happens to have the sum of both Thomas and Sanders then Denson will
    be incredible to watch run.
    
    Cowboy

    > I hope something similar does not befall Cale Gundy again this
    > season.  The Sooners have high expectations riding heavily on his
    > shoulders this season.
    
    > glenn
    
    
    Perhaps the only thing that will save the rest of the BIG-8 from
    OU this year is that a healthy Cale Gundy (dirty rotten trader)
    won't ever have the QB instincts that his little brother had (but
    Cale has the athletic abilities).  If OU stays healthy they
    ought to be strong.
    
    

OKLAHOMA/At a glance

Last year: 8-3, 5-2 (tie second)

Lettermen: Starters back: 44, 6 offense, 8 defense.

Strength: Quarterback.  Sophomore Cale Gundy is Big Eight's next star
passer.

Weakness: Defensive line.  It's a little thin, but nose guard Corey Mayfield
had seven sacks, so it can't be too bad.

Key date: Oct. 12 vs. Texas in Dallas.  Oklahoma should win Big Eight title, 
but win over Texas could put it in national-title picture.

Program needs: A demolition ball to Wilkinson Complex.  OU's athletic dorm,
the scene of past football crimes, now has a security guard from midnight to
5 a.m. and visitors must sign in, leave ID and exit by a certain time.  Yeah,
these athletes are blending into the rest of campus.

Quotable quote: Gundy on the Texas rivalry - "People don't understand how
big that game is until they've been in it.  After the game, you get beat
and one of the worst things about it is your car's parked so far away and
you have to walk all the way through the (state) fair and carrying an
Oklahoma bag.  And everybody's going 'Longhorns! Longhorns!'"



'OU eyes fruits of victory: Orange', by John Henderson

   NORMAN, Okla. - It finally happened.  No one thought it possible, but it
finally happened.  On Aug. 23, 1991, at 12:21 p.m. (CDT), in the Big Red
room of Owen Field, Oklahoma coach Gary Lynn Gibbs told a joke.
   The quiet, homogenized - well, why beat around the bush - boring coach
hired in 1989 to cleanse OU's image actually laughed.
   Addressing the Big Eight Skywriters' Tour, Gibbs held up two oranges he
found next to his podium and asked, "Is this a prop?"
   OK, so he's not ready for the Carson show.  It still indicated things
are lightening up around Norman these days, and for good reason.
   Two years of NCAA sanctions are behind the Sooners, and the Orange Bowl
(get it?) is in front of them.
   "The whole talk is the Orange Bowl," sophomore quarterback Cale Gundy
said.  "It's amazing.  After practice we have a break and we go, 'One. Two.
Three.  Orange Bowl!'  We're looking at every game as if it's for the 
national championship."
   They'll hear that in Boulder.  If Colorado is to win its third straight
Big Eight title, this is the preseason favorite it must beat.  It won't be
easy.
   The Sooners, frankly, are loaded.  To wit:
   - Gundy threw for 904 yards last year and didn't start until his seventh
game.
   - The top four tailbacks return, plus Mike Gaddis, who was second in the 
nation in rushing with 829 yards before blowing out his knee in the sixth game
of 1989.  He was a clean bill of health and scored twice in the spring game.
   - The team's top two tacklers, Chris Wilson and Darnell Walker, return at
linebacker.
   - A secondary that had 20 interceptions and was 17th nationally against
the pass returns intact.
   "No bowl, no TV, the incidents in Wilkinson (athletic) dorm, I think all
that's off our shoulders," Gaddis said.  "Now, we can focus on football."
   The steam behind the Sooner bandwagon started blowing at the end of last
season.  Oklahoma stopped folding, spindling and mutilating and pounded
Missouri 35-10, Kansas State 34-7 and Nebraska 45-10.
   The voting media, at least, thinks OU will pick up where it left off.  
"Good, I hope you're right," gibbs said.  "You say you're awfully smart.  I'd
rather be the consensus preseason pick than be picked third, fourth, or fifth."
   "I think a lot of people are writing Colorado off.  They'll be better than
people think."
   Oklahoma's a lot better than people thought.  Ususally, programs emerge
from probation looking like a shipwreck.  Oklahoma looks like a brand new
yacht.
   What did it do?  First, Gibbs had young teams his last two years.  Second,
limited to only 18 scholarships lst year, Gibbs has signed nine prep All-
Americans the last two signing periods.
   "The key to this football team is 23 seniors," he said.  "The last couple
of years, we've had 11, 12, 13 seniors and within that group we didn't have
11, 12, 13 starters."
   The player to watch is Gundy.  He popped off about a game plan that iced
his arm in a 14-13 loss to Texas.  He has learned, but so has Gibbs.  "We're
hoping he'll throw 20 to 25 times a game," Gibbs said.  "I hope he throws for
2,000 yards.  It sounds good to me."
   Sounds good to Gundy, too.  "My goal is to have 2,000 to 2,500 yards,"
he said.  "But if we rush for 400-500 yards a game, why pass the ball?"

COLORADO/At a glance

Last year: 11-1-1, 7-0 (first)

Lettermen, starters back: 26, 3 offense, 6 defense.

Strength: Secondary.  Added speed in safety Eric Hamilton and cornerback
Ronnie Bradford makes this the best secondary in coach Bill McCartney's
10 years.

Weakness: Offensive line.  Three sophomores or a freshman could start.

Key date: Oct. 19 at Oklahoma.  Big Eight title may be decided in second
week of league play.

Program needs: More money.  Cutting $200,000 from the budget after winning
a national title may show CU has football in perspective, but angering the
coach who won the title is no way to say thank you.

Quotable quote: McCartney, asked if he follows the wire-service polls - 
"No.  I used to follow the coaches' poll."



'CU tries to defend crown; McCartney hopes for lasting success', by John
                                                                 Henderson

   BOULDER - When Bill McCartney was an assistant at Michigan, Wolverines
coach Bo Schembechler had a poster from the Cadillac manufacturers on a wall.
It read, "When you're on top, everybody wants a piece of you."
   It was dated 1915.  However, it could have been dated 1990 with McCartney's
name next to it.  He muttered those words every time his Colorado Buffaloes 
took the field to defend its Big Eight Conference title.
   In 1991, McCartney won't have to say a thing.  This year, those words are
as huge as the ones on the banner that reads, "Colorado - National Champions."
   Defending a Big Eight title is one thing.  Defending a national title is 
another.  Colorado will defend its crown with only nine returning starters
and a rap in some circles as the luckiest team in the country.
   Opponents always are hungrier against a national champion, but in
Colorado's case, foes already have their tables set.  "I've learned,"
McCartney said, "that it's harder to defend a title than win it the first
time."
   The Buffaloes learned a lot in defending their 1989 Big Eight title that 
they can apply to this year.  Some say Colorado will fall off its throne
like a load of bricks.  McCartney swears that won't happen.
   "I don't want to be a team making temporary appearances," he said.  "We
want to be a team that establishes itself in the '90's as a legitimate,
good football program."
   "A year ago is history.  All the things that happened, all the breaks we 
got, all the good fortune, I don't deny any of it.  I feel very fortunate
to have it end up the way it did.
   "But we're going to use it as a springboard to the future.  It's not
something to relax on."
   McCartney talked all year about how the word "Colorado" was circled on 11
opponents' calendars.  The reasoning was obvious, but you wonder if the
Buffaloes listened.
   Despite goint 11-1-1, Colorado trailed in 10 games.  Two games were won
on the final play.
   "The big thing they can learn is to respect teams in the lower division,"
offensive coordinator Gary Barnett said.  "Teams in the lower division made
you play your butt off.  that's what I hope will rub off on the younger
players."
   It definitely rubbed off on the older ones.
   "We were picked so high in preseason," senior center Jay Leeuwenburg
said.  "We had unbelievable talent.  We had 10 guys (actually nine) go in
the draft.  That's insane.  We had a real difficult schedule., and we knew
that going into the year.  Yet in 10 games, we were behind.  For those
returning, I think that will really help us."
   Said quarterback Darian Hagan, "Basically, we developed a will to win.  
We were behind in 10 games, but we won them all (actually eight).  That was
the reason we won the national title."
   They'd better be ready, because their opponents are.  Their incentives
are huge.  Stanford, CU's first road opponent, lost on the final play of the
game last year and is inviting all its former greats to the Sept. 28 home
game.
   Missouri, Colorado's first league opponent, wants to show the nation it
was cheated in last year's fifth-down fiasco.  Oklahoma, the league favorite, 
sees a victory over CU as its biggest step to the national title and Nebraska
has lost two straight to CU for the first time in 29 years.
   "I thought Illinois, Texas and Washington played us much tougher (last
year) than the year before," McCartney said.  "Yet we were probably a 
stronger team."
   Colorado is also slowly climbing from the wanna-be stage to the consistency
of football factories that hold court for decades.
   Can a team basking in its most success in history stay hungry after its 
first national title?
   "This is a new bunch," McCartney said.  "These guys have got to establish 
themselves.  I don't sense any apathy or indifference.  I sense hunger and
thirst."

    Joe,
    I hope CU maintains its excellence for the 90's and beyond. No offense
    to other Big 8 schools, but I would not like to see the conference
    revert back to the " Big Two"
    
    Hmm,I wonder is Bo is seething because one of his asst. did something
    he could never do.  Win the national championship. Well, he could be
    doubly seething if Moeller does it this year. The Wolverines gotta
    be considered the first or second choice for the mythical. Cain't
    you tell that I really like Bo!!
    
    MikeL
    
    FWIW, I went to the Orange Bowl game last year, CU-ND, and I endorsed
    the Buffs' claim to #1. Sure Ga. Tech had a great year but their case
    was weakened because they never were rated #1 during the year. CU was
    rated #1 for at least 4-5 weeks and to quote Bo "when you're on top
    everyone wants a piece of you" CU sure felt that "on-top" pressure.
    
     

NEBRASKA/At a glance

Last year: 9-3, 5-2 (tie second).

Lettermen, starters returning: 55, 8 offense, 5 defense.

Strength: Running back.  Nebraska finished second in nation in rushing
(340.0 yards per game) and returns everyone but leading rusher Leodis
Flowers, who was dropped from the team.  Junior Scott Baldwin and 
sophomore Derek Brown will quickly make Flowers a memory.

Weakness: Quarterback.  No. 1 Mickey Joseph can't throw past 30 yards, No.
2 Tom Haase is a walk-on and No. 3 Keithen McCant has thrown three varsity
passes.

Key date: Sept. 21 vs. Washington.  Fourth-ranked Huskies could be No. 1
by then, a good chance to show spoiled Huskers fans that Nebraska isn't
slipping.

Program needs: Emotion.  Its town is boring.  Its coach is boring.  Its
offense is boring.  Some excitement may keep these guys from falling asleep
Jan. 1 every year.

Quotable quote: Quarterback Mickey Joseph on younger brother Vance, Colorado's
backup quarterback - "I'll never touch his arm.  He has the special arm in
our family - so far.  We have a little one (Samuel) who has a better arm
than both of us.  He's 8."



'Footballs, grousing in the air', by John Henderson

   LINCOLN, Neb. - The plaques of Nebraska's 68 All Americans hang in
Memorial Coliseum like ghosts of the monster coach Tom Osborne created.
   These days, what could cover more wall space are the weekly letters to the
editor, half of which want Osborne hanging alongside the plaques.  But with
a rope, not a nail.
   That, of course, doesn't include the mass of letters his secretary tosses
because they're too crude to start the day.  Or the unsold tickets for
students who bought their lowest total in 10 years.
   "(Iowa State coach) Jim Walden says...that when people get a national
championship mentality," Osborne said, "you've got problems."
   Nebraska, folks, has problems.
   The football factory is no longer meeting quota.  Forget a record 22
straight bowl games, 22 straight seasons of nine wins or more, Osborne's
177-41-2 record, five league titles and six national rushing crowns.
   This is what the Nebraska fan remembers:
   - Three straight losses in bowl games by a combined score of 109-41.
   - A 4-8 record in the last 12 games against ranked teams, including
five straight losses.
   - Beating Oklahoma and winning a bowl game in the same season once
in 18 years.
   - Finishing out of the top 20 (24th) last year for the first time in
21 years.
   - The lowest preseason ranking (15th) since 1977.
   Osborne, 54, is entering his 19th season.  Some say after his 20th 
season, he would look just dandy in the athletic director's chair when 
Bob Devaney retires in January 1993.
   Osborne isn't moving.  Behind his American Gothic face and soft voice
are some tough words.
   "We have lost four straight bowl games, but we haven't played Humpty 
Dumpty, either," he said.  "We played Miami in the Orange Bowl.  Everybody
should try that once in a lifetime.  We played Florida State a couple of
times.  I don't think Georgia Tech is an overwhelming football team, but
I'd like our odds if we were playing for a national championship."
   Nebraska's problem has been an innate ability to get shot down once, then
play dead the rest of the year.  After Colorado scored 27 points in the 
fourth quarter to win 27-12 last year, Nebraska lost its last two games to
Oklahoma 45-10 and Georgia Tech 45-21.
   "Going up to the Colorado game, there was a lot of sentiment of, 'You
look OK, but you haven't done anything yet,'" Osborne said. "We simply
lost our focus."
   To combat this, Nebraska has made more changes than any team in the
Big Eight.  It has formed a Unity Council in which players meet weekly 
with an Omaha psychologist and various coaches to help prevent the bickering
from last year.
   It also has stepped up its weight program.  Osborne wanted leaner linemen
to catch up with Miami and Florida State.  However, it backfired.  His
offensive line averaged a milquetoast 280 pounds on the bench press and it
showed.
   The linemen's average has improved 50 pounds on the bench press and 20
pounds on the scales.
   But the biggest change is the offense.  Osborne said Mickey Joseph, who
leads a tight quarterback race, will throw about 20 times a game after 
throwing only 96 times in 26 previous games.  Maybe that will offset a 
defense that lost seven starters, six to the NFL.
   Nebraska hasn't thrown 20 times a game since 1976.  Joseph, a 43-percent
passer who admits he has a weak arm, can't wait.  "Maybe," he said, "it'll
get people off our backs."

                           

> Weakness: Quarterback.  No. 1 Mickey Joseph can't throw past 30 yards, No.
> 2 Tom Haase is a walk-on and No. 3 Keithen McCant has thrown three varsity
> passes.
    
> Quotable quote: Quarterback Mickey Joseph on younger brother Vance, Colorado's
> backup quarterback - "I'll never touch his arm.  He has the special arm in
> our family - so far.  We have a little one (Samuel) who has a better arm
> than both of us.  He's 8."
    
>    Nebraska hasn't thrown 20 times a game since 1976.  Joseph, a 43-percent
> passer who admits he has a weak arm, can't wait.  "Maybe," he said, "it'll
> get people off our backs."
    
    
    Is it me or does anyone else think that NU is only "dreamin" about
    being a passing team this year?
    
    
>    Osborne isn't moving.  Behind his American Gothic face and soft voice
> are some tough words.
>    "We have lost four straight bowl games, but we haven't played Humpty 
> Dumpty, either," he said.
    
    That kinda rough shower-room talk has GOTTA fire up those Bugeaters!!
    
    
    Cowboy
    

    
    

re: few back

>   It also has stepped up its weight program.  Osborne wanted leaner linemen
>to catch up with Miami and Florida State.  However, it backfired.  His
>offensive line averaged a milquetoast 280 pounds on the bench press and it
>showed.
>   The linemen's average has improved 50 pounds on the bench press and 20
>pounds on the scales.

This is very important. I think that Nebraska has not dropped off the last
few years because of the talent at the skill positions. It's the lines on
both sides of the ball.

Looks like them Huskers linemen have been eating lots of good corn fed
Nebraska beef - yesss, none better !! Just go to a steak house in Omaha
and you'll find out.

>   But the biggest change is the offense.  Osborne said Mickey Joseph, who
>leads a tight quarterback race, will throw about 20 times a game after 
>throwing only 96 times in 26 previous games.  Maybe that will offset a 
>defense that lost seven starters, six to the NFL.

Hmmmm, I recently read that Haase won the starting position ??? From what
I saw in the bowl last year, Hasse looked pretty good. Much better than
Joseph. Geez, if Joseph starts then all the D has to do is zone for 30 yards.

I still havent gotten any news out of Omaha yet, but I will say, watch
Nebraska's I-back Brown. This kid is really good. The tight end is also
gonna be great. Mark my words, he'll be a 1st rounder in the NFL.

I'll post more news when I can get the Omaha field svc guys to respond.

Bugeater Marty

re: .170

Quote of McArtney

>   "A year ago is history.  All the things that happened, all the breaks we 
>got, all the good fortune, I don't deny any of it.  I feel very fortunate
>to have it end up the way it did.

CU fans should be so realistic.

Oh, oh, here I go opening up a rats nest again.  Oh well, why should the
Sports notesfile change now?

Husker Henderson

    Hey Marty, do you think the Huskers will be able to handle mighty Utah
    State this week? :^)  CU should have it easy too, taking on Wyoming. 
    The Pokes couldn't even beat Hawaii at home, and Hawaii is usually
    terrible when they play on the mainland.  WYO should be up for this
    one, though.
    
    NU's game against CSU on the 14th will be picked up by Channel 9 in 
    Denver.
    
    
    Joe

re: .176

Yea I think Utah will give Nebraska a tough game, something like 45 - 10.  ;^)

We are in the boring portion of the college football season. This part of
the season could be compared to the NFL pre-season games. Tune up time except
for a few early season matchups.

Glad to hear the Husker/CSU game is on TV. Denver 9 huh? I'm not sure my
cable company gets Denver 9. I live in Woodland Park and I KNOW I can't
get it over the air up there in the moutains (8500 feet). What are the
call letters for that station? Is it a pbs station or a network station?

Thanks for the info Joe,

Nebraska Marty

IOWA STATE/At a glance

Last year: 4-6-1, 2-4-1 (tie fourth)

Lettermen, starters returning: 38, 5 offense, 10 defense.

Strength: Quarterback.  Forget last year.  With an option offense and three
300-pound linemen, Chris Pedersen will be even better this season.

Weakness: Inexperience.  Coach Jim Walden can't whine about lack of numbers
anymore.  But of his 84 scholarship players, 67 are underclassmen.

Key date: Oct. 5 vs. Oklahoma.  Cyclones beat Sooners last year for first 
time since 1961.  Now they get the preseason favorites at home.

Program needs: A winning record.  Walden's not really on the hot seat, but
a bad year could warm it up.  He has three losing seasons the last four
years and, with new depth, no more excuses.

Quotable quote: Walden on fans predicting his team's record - "In the bar,
it looks good.  You can win a lot of games after three beers.  The schedule
gets weaker and weaker as you get drunker and drunker.  You can win all 
your games if you stay in the bar long enough."


'Coach says Cyclones QB ranks No. 1 in Big Eight', by John Henderson

   AMES, Iowa - Nebraska coach Tom Osborne says of his Iowa State counterpart,
Jim Walden, "I don't pay a lot of attention to what Jim says.  There's so
much of it."
   Osborne isn't the first coach to say Walden is full of something.  And,
after the Big Eight Skywriters' stop here yesterday (Aug. 27), Osborne won't
be the last.
   Folks in Norman and Boulder may find one Walden comment they can't throw
out with last night's fish.  "I've got," Walden said, "the best quarterback 
in the Big Eight Conference."
   Good morning, Darian Hagan, Colorado's two-time all-Big Eight quarterback.
And hello, Cale Gundy, the man expected to lead Oklahoma from probation to
coronation.
   But Walden is adamant about this.  He says senior Chris Pedersen led the
league and finished 11th nationally in total offense (242.22 yards per game).
   Walden brings up Iowa State's 33-31 upset at Oklahoma, where Pedersen
rushed for 148 yards and the winning touchdown with 35 seconds left.
   Then Walden gives a speech on respect that would embarrass Rodney
Dangerfield.
   "Big Eight prognosticators are a strange group," Walden said.  "Maybe it's
just because you're not from Oklahoma or Nebraska, but I do get irritated
sometimes when I have a quarterback who led the league in total offense in
only nine games and for that he can't even get predicted all-Big Eight
quarterback.  For that he gets put second team behind a sophomore from
Oklahoma.  Things are a little out of kilter."
   Walden was just warming up.  Now he takes off the gloves.
   "(Pedersen) is the best pro prospect," Walden said.  "The guy at 
Colorado's going to catch punts so he can make it (in the NFL)".
   Walden is full of a lot of things, but one of them is quarterback 
knowledge.  He coached three future NFL starters at Washington State in
Jack Thompson, Mark Rypien and Timm Rosenbach.
   "In some ways, (Pedersen) might be the best quarterback we've ever 
coached," Walden said.  "He's bigger and faster than Rosenbach and throws 
the ball as well.  He's faster than Rypien but not quite as big.  He doesn't
have the strong arm of Jack Thompson, but (Thompson) ran about a 5.3 (40)."
   With a 4.81, Pedersen may be the fastest 6-foot-3, 222-pound quarterback
in the country.  That's one reason why Walden is replacing last year's one-
back attack with a two-back option offense.  
   Pedersen threw for 1,601 yards and rushed for 570 more, making Walden's 
goal of 3,000 yards realistic.
   "I could," Pedersen said.  "The new offense really puts the offense at
the advantage."
   Pedersen always has been overlooked.  As a senior at Ankeny (Iowa) High
School, he didn't even make all-Central Iowa Conference.  He severely 
sprained his ankle his senior year, and Walden was the only coach to offer
a full ride.
   "He was out there hobbling," Walden said, "but the thing I liked about it
was he was always out there hobbling."
   Walden scouted him in a basketball game, saw his mobility and signed him.
He thought he might have a future tight end.  Instead, Walden has someone
to brag about - 'really' brag about.
   "He's a hulluva quarterback," Walden said.  "He throws the ball strong
and runs as fast as some running backs in this league.
   "Maybe he'll even get lucky enough to make second-team all-Big Eight."

    I didn't know Woodland Park had cable.  Did you guys just get it or
    something?  Channel 9 is Denver's ABC affiliate, but I can't remember
    the call-letters.  If you get Denver channel 4 (NBC) and Denver channel
    7 (CBS), you probably get 9.
    
    Joe

    > I didn't know Woodland Park had cable.
    
    Even Cripple Creek and Victor have cable, Joe.  You'd think
    we lived in the sticks... ;^)
    
    > the call-letters.  If you get Denver channel 4 (NBC) and Denver channel
    > 7 (CBS), you probably get 9.
    
    Won't Colorado Springs 13 also carry it?  (channel 39 in Teller County)
    
    Cowboy
    

     Buffs open against WYO tomorrow.  Darian Hagan's knee is at %100, and
    he *will* return punts.
    
    Will be real interesting to see how the BUffs look with all the new
    faces.  This is a good opener, because even if they play bad they
    should still win.  They might have their hands full with Baylor and
    Stanford in the early going, but I definitely think this team can win 9
    or 10 games.
    
    5:30 tomorrow night, ESPN....Be there!
    
    Joe

  At the end of last year, the CU quarterback position looked real 
  shakey for the 91 season with Hagan's knee injury and Charles Johnson
  quiting the team. However....

  I saw an interesting article in the CS Gazette Telegraph 2 or 3 days ago.
  Coach McCartney claims that he has a new freshman quarterback who is much
  more talented than they though when they recruited him. He claims he's
  the most talented freshman quaterback he's ever coached including Hagan.
  The guy is 6'3", over 200 pounds and has a very accurate rocket for an arm.
  But, I can't remember his name.

  Evidently, McCartney won't hesitate to play this freshman if Hagan gets
  hurt or doesn't play up to expectations. In fact he is thinking of
  using Hagan as a running back with the new freshman at QB.

  Does anybody else have any info on this guy ?

  Where does this leave Vance Joseph who is also a talented QB ?

					Keith

    The Buffs only led 16-13 into the 4th quarter but a couple late TD's
    made it look good.  Biggest weakness: no doubt the offensive line. 
    These guys will need to improve as a unit before 23rd ranked Baylor
    comes in next week.  Kahl was less than impressive at tailback.
    
    On the positive side, Hagan is definitely back and the defense looked
    great and had 9 sacks.  Should be a defensive battle with Baylor next
    week.  
    
    His stats were poor, but I was impressed with WYO QB Corontzos.  Should
    be a good game when they come down here to play Air Force next month.
    
    
    Nebraska rolled over Utah State after leading only 24-14 at halftime. 
    Joseph left the game early, but I don't think it was due to injury.  I
    was surprised to see that Haas didn't play at QB.  Is he hurt?  The
    Huskers set an NCAA record with 44 first downs.
    
    Joe

    
    Joe,
    
    	It sure looked like CU thought Wyoming was gonna lay down
    	for them.  
    
    	I was impressed with Hagan.  He looks even quicker!  He
    	still needs to rent an arm though (or about 5 inches of
    	height so he can see over the line).
    
    	I was also impressed with CU's DBs.  They laid some crunches
    	on Wyoming.  
    
    	Although Chad Brown played well at outside LB, I wish they
    	would let him get back in the middle where he belongs.  He
    	and Bieckert are tough.
    
    	CU's O-line is inexperienced and it showed.  The entire offense
    	had better get it together before Baylor comes to town.  The 
    	defense may not be able to hold Baylor down (like they did Wyoming) 
    	while the offense decides if they want to play or not.
    
    	Claybone

    
    Cowboy,
    
    	What happened to your 'pokes?
    
    Claybone

    > Cowboy,
    
    > 	What happened to your 'pokes?
    
    > Claybone
    
     
    I wasn't really expecting a win in Tulsa...and didn't get one either.
    OSU's offense didn't come alive until the 4th Q when they punched it
    in the end zone with 2 minutes left.  They may be a decent team if
    the key offensive players can be productive.  The 13 points they
    gave up against Tulsa was much better than in the years of Thomas
    Sanders so maybe defense will keep them in some games until the
    offense improves.
    
    The Cowboys play Arizona State in Stillwater this weekend and its
    supposed to be broadcast in Arizona.  I'll post the satellite/tr
    if anyones enterested.
    
    Go Tailback U!!!
    Cowboy

    Marty,
    Since you're always starvin' for news on the Huskers, you'll be happy
    to know that PSN carries the Tom Osborne show on Friday nights.  Don't
    know if it's always at the same time - it's at 9 this Friday.
    
    Joe

    Yeah, and Prime Network carries a weekly BIG-8 football program
    that shows at 11pm Friday.  That time may or may not be the same
    every week.
    
    Cowboy
    

>    Marty,
>    Since you're always starvin' for news on the Huskers, you'll be happy
>    to know that PSN carries the Tom Osborne show on Friday nights.  Don't
>    know if it's always at the same time - it's at 9 this Friday.
    
>    Joe

Alright !!!  Thanks for that info Joe. Now I can get Husker news and be totally
bored at the same time listening to Coach Osborne saying things like:

	Oklahoma's gonna be a pretty tough opponent next week

	Brown is playing pretty good (After a replay of a dazzling 80 yard run)

	etc...

OK, about the Huskers this year. I've listened to both games on the Nebraska
Football Network this year. You can pick it up on KLNG AM 1060 broadcasting
from Longmont, CO. sponsered by the "Coloradan's for Nebraska"

Anyway, this is a different Husker team this year. The starting offensive line
AVERAGES 294 lbs. Geez!! They have beefed up big time from last year and, here
is the key, HAVE NOT LOST ANY SPEED FROM LAST YEARS TEAM !!! Whoa

The offensive line coaches went to Kansas City and got some ideas on different
blocking schemes from the Chief staff.

The defensive line has also beefed up but I have no figures.

Keithen McCant has moved to the top QB spot and has been impressive. His
passing has been very good. He's bigger than Joseph and has a much better
arm. He is a good leader also.

Even Osborne said that this is a very good offense. The ? is the defense.

After the CSU game durring the Nebraska Football Network "Coaches Comment"
Assistant Coach Charlie McBride said the he still has "no idea if the defense
is any good"  CSU's 14 points came againse the Huskers subs. We will get a
very good idea of how good the Nebraska D is this Saturday when 4th ranked
Washington comes to Lincoln in a televised game. I think the Husker's and
the fans will be ready. Washington is the favored team but I believe this
will be a VERY good game. We will find out a lot about NU this Saturday.

The loudest roar from the 76000 at Memorial stadium in the second half was 
when the CU/Baylor final was announced.

A little note about that game. I think it was best said by a Denver Post
columnist in the Sunday Paper. His column was titled "Lady Luck Turns Her
Back On CU."  He went on to say that CU had AT LEAST it's share of luck the
last 2 years and it's run out not. Another factor is that CU is not good enough
this year to MAKE their own breaks in high numbers as they were last year.

I DID NOT SAY IT, THIS IS THE DENVER POST. However, I agree with it.

Nebraska Marty

> Anyway, this is a different Husker team this year. The starting offensive line
> AVERAGES 294 lbs. Geez!! They have beefed up big time from last year and, here
> is the key, HAVE NOT LOST ANY SPEED FROM LAST YEARS TEAM !!! Whoa
    
    Down, Marty, down boy!  Every year we hear this kind of stuff as
    Nebraska comes out like a house of fire in routing the Utah and
    Colorado States.  Then, by the end of the season, they're flatter 
    than a pancake.  This year, I expect to see it happen a little 
    earlier, like next week, against Washington...
    
    glenn
    

    I tell ya one thing - I"ll be rooting for Nebraska to beat Washington
    this weekend, if only to shut the damn Huskey fans up out here.  These
    folks are unreal - heck, some of 'em still whine about 84, and some
    claim the Dawgs shoulda been #1 last year ('cept the big bad
    Eastern/Midwest biased media ripped 'em off..)
    
    ANyway, I root for whomever Washington plays!
    
    Go Huskers!
    
    JD

Are the Okie State Cowboys really as bad as they're looking? So far,
they've lost to Tulsa on the road and got blown out at home by Arizona
State. This week, they're favored to lose at home to *TEXAS CHRISTIAN*.

TTom

    
> Are the Okie State Cowboys really as bad as they're looking? So far,
> they've lost to Tulsa on the road and got blown out at home by Arizona
> State. This week, they're favored to lose at home to *TEXAS CHRISTIAN*.
    
    This is what happens when a middle-of-the-pack team gets busted for a
    big-time NCAA probation.  An Oklahoma can recover from a cheat binge,
    an Oklahoma State has a much tougher time.  That's unfair, but it's a
    reality, I'm afraid...
    
    glenn
    

    >     The Cowboys play Arizona State in Stillwater this weekend and its
    > supposed to be broadcast in Arizona.  I'll post the satellite/tr
    > if anyones enterested.
    
    To the hundreds of OSU fans that sent me mail wanting to watch the
    game on satellite, I'm deeply sorry but after calling both OSU and ASU
    athletic departments and being told that it wouldn't be broadcast,
    I found it 30 minutes before kickoff.  It was to be a delayed feed
    to Arizona.  What do they know anyways?
    
    The score was 30-3 ASU.  This was ASU's first game and OSU's 2nd.
    Obviously, the Pokes need some work still but, in the first half,
    it really looked like the would win the game.  OSU started true-
    freshman QB Brent Scott for his first ever college game.  It showed
    at time too!  His RBs were also true-freshmen, and it also showed.
    But, the offense did look very promising too.  They moved up the
    field well and controlled the ball.  They just couldn't go all the
    way without making mistakes.  One mistake was a reception that was
    returned for a TD.  ASU had trouble getting 1st downs most of the
    game.  ASU's 2nd TD came off a questionable call on a 'fumble'.
    ASU pulled a quick kick which OSU caught and started to return.
    The ball carrier jammed his knee and fell down it pain.  It looked
    like he was down BEFORE he let go of the ball but the refs called
    it a fumble.  The next play was a pass for a TD.  Oh well.
    
    OSU needs some time to get these young offensive players some
    experience.  The O line and, really, the whole D looked good.
    The O line is experienced but not very big.  Hopefully, by the
    time the BIG-8 schedule starts the offense will be cookin'.
    
    By the way, this young QB is 6-4 and 208--not bad size.  He's
    a dropback passer that looks to have a strong, accurate arm.
    
    Denson, the latest/greatest OSU RB didn't get any long gains
    but then again, its only his second college game.  His 4.2
    speed will help if he can get open.  His small size (5-8, 165)
    may not be enough to make too many openings for himself, tho.
    
    Next up is TCU at Stillwater.  Hope its on the satellite. After
    that is AT MIAMI.  This one seriously worries me.  OSU's offensive
    line is good but small.  We all know about Miami's.  With the
    'Pokes' young RBs and QBs it could get real painful to watch.
    
    Cowboy
    

    > This is what happens when a middle-of-the-pack team gets busted for a
    > big-time NCAA probation.  An Oklahoma can recover from a cheat binge,
    > an Oklahoma State has a much tougher time.  That's unfair, but it's a
    > reality, I'm afraid...
    
    > glenn
    
    Thanks glenn.  You coulda said they sukt (which I couldn't have
    argued much).
    
    Coach Pat Jones has had to look to Jr. College players, that have
    experience, to get players to 'step in' and help out.  Also, some
    key O players (QB and RB) are very promising Freshmen.
    
    hth, Cowboy
    
    

> The loudest roar from the 76000 at Memorial stadium in the second half was 
> when the CU/Baylor final was announced.

    And the loudest cheer at the Minnesota-CU game this Saturday will be
    when they announce that Washington has beaten NU.  :^)   But seriously,
    I'm anxious to see how Nebraska does against what appears to a
    legitimate top-5 team.  Washington was very impressive against Stanford
    last week.  Should be a good one.  Isn't this game Saturday night?
    
> A little note about that game. I think it was best said by a Denver Post
> columnist in the Sunday Paper. His column was titled "Lady Luck Turns Her
> Back On CU."  He went on to say that CU had AT LEAST it's share of luck the
> last 2 years and it's run out not. Another factor is that CU is not good enough
> this year to MAKE their own breaks in high numbers as they were last year.

    There's no doubt that CU had their share of luck last year, but
    virtually anyone who has won a national title has had their share of
    luck either in the form of winning games or teams ranked ahead of them
    losing.  
    
    As for CU's loss to Baylor, I only caught some of the 1st half, but it
    seemed to be a combination of the O-line not up to speed yet and the
    defense not quite living up to their billing.  But I don't want to take
    anything away from Baylor because they're a good football team.  CU
    again had trouble with a field goal being blocked, and this time it was
    the big play of the game.  CU was lining up for a FG leading 14-13 and
    about 3 minutes left, but Baylor blocked it and it bounced way into CU
    territory and Baylor returned it to about the CU 30.  Baylor kicked the
    game-winner with about a minute left and after CU drove to the BU 45
    Hagan threw an interception with about 10 seconds left.
    
    Getting back to NU, CSU isn't the cupcake Utah State is, but they
    certainly aren't on Nebraska's level.  CSU was never in the game and
    trailed 43-0 at the half.  Nebraska has yet to punt this year.
    
    All Big-8 teams were at home this past weekend, the first time that has
    happened in something like 5 years.
    
    Joe

    
    	I can't believe how Coach Mac has let the special teams slide
    	so far this year.  If anybody knows the importance of special
    	teams play it's him (just ask Nebraska).  They displayed a
    	glaring weakness in field goal blocking against Wyoming.  It
    	was not corrected and Baylor took advantage.  There was a 
    	quote in the local paper by a true freshman lineman who was
    	in on that play, "I blocked the wrong guy...."
    
    	Claybroon

>> Anyway, this is a different Husker team this year. The starting offensive line
>> AVERAGES 294 lbs. Geez!! They have beefed up big time from last year and, here
>> is the key, HAVE NOT LOST ANY SPEED FROM LAST YEARS TEAM !!! Whoa
    
>    Down, Marty, down boy!  Every year we hear this kind of stuff as
>    Nebraska comes out like a house of fire in routing the Utah and
>    Colorado States.  Then, by the end of the season, they're flatter 
>    than a pancake.  This year, I expect to see it happen a little 
>    earlier, like next week, against Washington...
    
>    glenn

Glenn, there is some fact in your statement and some things that are not that
true.

Most years the Huskers have had 1 or 2 tough opponents in the 4 pre-conference
games. In the 80's I can recall UCLA, Penn State, Florida State, Auburn,
and there are others. It's only been the past 2 seasons that they have
had 4 patsie's. This year things are back to the norm for the Husker schedule.
Anyway, many of these years Nebraska has beaten these good teams early and
earned a deserving high ranking only to fold vs Oklahoma or the bowl. I believe
this is the pattern you are refering to.

This pattern is disturbing. All I am trying to convey are the reports that I'm 
hearing about the team. I'm not saying that NU will win the National
championship or even the Big-8. I'm just trying to convey that they are improved
on offense at least. We don't know about the D yet.

Osborne knows his job is on the line. The Nebraska fans are really PISSED OFF
big time and Osborne knows it. I believe this has placed an extra level of
motivation on Dr. Tom and he is pushing it down to the other coaches and thus
the players.

The Huskers have thrown the ball aprox 23 times per game so far this year, but
remember, these were big blowouts and Osborne stops calling passes for the most
part when the game is out of hand. In a close game such as may be this week he
might throw it 30 times. This is very different for Osborne and I think it 
shows that he knows things must change.

One more thing that Asst. Coach Charlie McBride said on the "Coaches Corner"
is that they have simplified the Definsive schemes this year. They are going
with less sets. He stated that the best Defense NU ever had was in '84 and 
they only had a fraction of the sets that year as compared to last years
defense. Plus he stated that he dosent believe Nebraska's defense will be
controlled in the interior as they were last year. Also, the offense has
added some new sets.

Last year was different for the Huskers. They lost mental focus big=time after
the CU loss. McBride stated that NU was "as good or nearly as good" as Oklahoma
last year but got creamed by 40+ points because of mental letdown and the 7
turnovers associated with it.

I say a TV show on one of the C. Springs stations going over every Big-8 team
this year in what is called the Big-8 "Skywriters report."  Almost every
Husker play mentioned the mental letdown after the CU game and the fact that
they have beefed up the interior this year without loss of speed.

I'm only trying to report what I have been seeing in the press. This may be
a repeat of years past with Nebraska. However, some things are changing in
Big Red land.

We Shall See !!!

Bugeater Marty

    CU's offense seemed really flat to me.  There was talk of switching
    Hagan to RB and it sounds like a good idea to me, but probably too
    late to try now.  Don't they have a young QB that is more of a passer?
    Seems like a Freshman?  It may have been better to try more passing
    then have the option of either handing or passing the ball to Hagan
    in the open.
    
    Cowboy

Big game this weekend: Washington at Nebraska. The polls say the Huskies.
The line says it's a pick.

I predict the Huskers.

TTOm

    Nebraska at home is worth atleast a TD, but since they haven't
    been tested yet UN may fall on their faces. Is the UN QB really
    a passer or is he like Hagan?  The pre-season talk was that
    UN didn't have anyone that could throw the ball but Dr. Tom
    mumbled something about passing the ball alot this year, anyhow.
    
    I think Nebraska is still dreaming about being a passing team
    (like CU).
    
    Cowboy
    

re: -1

Thru 2 weeks of play Nebraska is the leading Big-8 passing school. It is also
the leading rushing school.

McCant has surfaced as the top QB. This guy can zip the ball. He's 6'0" about
180 or 190. So he is fairly big. has a good arm and good field general skills.
He came from a high school that was passing oriented.

As I said earlier, Huskers have attempted 23 passes per game in blowouts.
The pass attempts tail off in the second half when your ahead by 1/2 a
million points. Osborne is sensitive about pissing off the opposing coach.

You may think this is just Husker fan hype but I don't believe anyone is
going to shut down the NU offense this year. The NU defense is still a
question mark.

I just spoke with someone in Omaha over the phone who is fairly close to
the Husker program. There have been lots of internal changes in the Husker
program and they are VERY focused.

Nebraska has run only 2 triple options so far this year. The triple option
has been one of NU's main plays for decades. They have instituded new offensive
sets and new blocking schemes including what is refered to as the "zone"
blocking scheme. Some of this came from the coaches vistits to the K.C. Chiefs.

Most people in Nebraska, and I can say also from Colorado Springs, expected CSU
to give NU at least a fairly good game. NO ONE expected 71-14 and all 14 points
coming vs the subs. 

Just an interesting note: The Sunday Denver Post buried the writeup for this 
game on page 9 of the sports section. A major college school (WAC conference)
game of local interest was buried on page 9. You can run but you can't hide.

We will see Saturday night but it appears that NU * MIGHT * have to print a
version of Colorado's T-shirt: "Things Have Changed"

Husker Hype or reality? Decide for yourself, but time will tell.

Nebraska Marty

    Anyone know how the Cowboys did?

    re:-1
    
    For $19.95 I'll send you a copy of the game along with the blowout
    against Texas A&M a few years ago.  Priceless!   8^)
    
    Cowboy

> Title:  Atleast the 'pokes don't run up the score.

Is this a poke at Nebraska?

Why arent opposing coaches bitching about Nebraska running it up? Because the
opposing coaches know that when you play 100+ people and start the second team
defense the second half you are not attempting to run it up.

If I'm a second/third/fourth team player at Nebraska I'm gonna bust my butt
when I get playing time because I wanna start or at least start next year.

Nebraska DID play 100+ people and START the 2nd team defense the second half
against CSU.

In 1983 (When NU had Roger Craig, Mike Rozier, Irving Fryar) NU was beating
Minnesota so bad with the 3rd string that Osborne put a guy in at center that
had never snapped a ball in his life. This was an attempt to slow his own team
down.

Osborne has a sterling reputation amoung other college coaches which he 
wouldent have if he TRIED to run the score up. Is he supposed to tell his
backup players to go out and give 50% ???  No way, that would not be fair
to those guys.

Nebraska Marty

>  > Title:  Atleast the 'pokes don't run up the score.

> Is this a poke at Nebraska?
    
    No, Infact when I heard the Nebraska score I didn't think "running
    up the score".  When 2 unevenly matched teams play there's no
    way around it.  Why try to "not score"?  The schools are there
    to play the game and get experience and practice for tougher
    opponents so should do what they need to do to win all their
    games.  (Within good sportsmanship, of course)
    
    Hey, Neb Marty, what's your prediction of the Washington game?
    I think it'll be tight but with Nebraska at home they should pull
    it out by a TD or less.
    
    While I'm at it I'll prediction on the OSU/TCU game.  A low scoring
    defensive game with OSU's offense learning how to score, finally.
    OSU by 3 or less.
    
    Since I'll be history after this week here's the OSU/Miami prediction:
    This will be both an offensive and defensive battle.  (OSU's offense
    will be battling to get ANY score at all while OSU's defense will be
    battling fatigue from excessive playing time)
    Miami 66-3.  Damn that hurts!
    
    If there's anything left the 'Pokes it'll be time start the BIG-8
    season after that.
    
    Cowboy

    
    	What little I saw of the CU game Saturday, there was a spot
    	during the game where JJ Flannigan was shown.  What's he
    	doing hanging out in Boulder?  I thought for sure he'd be
    	on some pro roster.  He had Rocket's speed but was bigger.
    	Didn't San Diego draft him?
    
    	Claybone

    
>    Hey, Neb Marty, what's your prediction of the Washington game?
>    I think it'll be tight but with Nebraska at home they should pull
>    it out by a TD or less.
 
Geesh, I don't know. I'm don't know enough about the Washington "Pups" (Just
a little joke) to really give a prediction based on anything other than my
loyalties.

From what little I do know about the Huskies, they have good speed on both
sides of the ball. I suppose they are big too. Don't they throw pretty well?

I don't think anyone can STOP Nebraska's offense this year. Huskers will
score some points on Washinton. The big test will be when the Pups have the
ball. Nebraska's D is "supposed" to be improved. Saturday will tell a lot.

I expect the huskERS to score in the 30's and the HuskIES to be within 6
points either way of Nebraska. This should be a really good game. I understand
it's an ABC regional telecast? If they don't show this one in Colorado I will
be, uhum, rather upset !!!

I do know one thing, the Memorial stadium crowd will be into it. So will the
team because for the first time in a long time the fans and the team feel they
have something to prove. This emotional edge could be a needed boost to put
the good guys in the white hats with red N on it over the top.

I'm not gonna predict a winner. Too close and I don't know enough detail about
Washington. All I know is that I'm sending my wife shopping Saturday night
and watching the game in reletive peace and serenity with no inturruptions. ;^)

Bugeater/Husker Marty/Henderson

    
    Washington's starting QB was lost for the season (don't know when,
    probably in spring ball) and they are inexperienced at running back. 
    Their defense is supposed to be one of the best in the nation.
    
> I understand
> it's an ABC regional telecast? If they don't show this one in Colorado I will
> be, uhum, rather upset !!!

    ABC is showing 3 regional games at 6pm Saturday, Georgia-Alabama,
    BYU-Penn State and Washington-NU.  I would imagine (and hope) they give
    us the Nebraska game.
    
    Joe

    Joe -
    
    Actually, there's talk that Brtunnel - the Huskies hurt QB, may be back
    as early as mid-October.
    
    JD

    I'll predict a Husker win 24-21.  I'll also predict I won't be
    able to watch it in Mass. I wish ESPN had the game 8*(
    
    Jimbo

    
    Oh NO!!!! JIMBO you cursed th Huskers.....
    
    Washington WINS *21-17* the last TD was called back for HOLDING!!!!
    
    Tom wins!!!!   

    McCartney has made a couple changes along the offensive line, including
    tight end Sean Brown, who will be replaced by sophomore Sean Embree. 
    Brown must be being replaced because of his blocking, becasue he is
    CU's leading receiver with 8 catches.  Clint Moore, who missed his man
    on the blocked field goal, will remain in the starting lineup.
    
    Kansas and Kansas State are both 2-0 for the first time since
    1923.  Wow!!...it's hard to believe it's been that long.
    
    RE: Washington at Nebraska
    This should be a good game.  Washington may have a little more
    experience, at least on defense, but there really isn't much of a
    difference in talent level when you're talking about 2 top 10 teams.
    I think the big differences will be that NU has a lot to prove after
    last year's poor finish and how low they were ranked coming into
    this season.  Plus they are playing at home.  I like the Huskers in
    this one.
    
    
    Joe
                                                         

    no jinks here Kevin, Huskers roll to a big win in front of
    the home crowd.  This isn't the golf tourney, skill will win
    not luck 8*)
    
    Jimbo

    Huskies stomp huskers 37-6.

>    Huskies stomp huskers 37-6.


Hey Jessie, you wanna come over to my cube and put some money behing your
totally illogical prediction?     ;^)

Nebraska Marty

    
    	Somebody else, besides Bill McCartney, has complained 
    	about Mizzou's field.  John Mackovick(sp?) blasted 
    	Mizzou for the poor field conditions.  He coaches
    	Illinois btw.  The Mizzou coach replied that if everybody
    	keeps complaining about the field, there's no way in hell
    	he's going to change it.  Whatta guy!
    
    	Claybone

Washington 36    Nebraska 21

The HuskERS are an improved team but the HuskIES are better than Nebraska.

Washington has a complete package. Run, pass, defense, special teams, and
coaching. I think they will cruise thru the Pac-10 and eat the Big-10 up
in the Rose Bowl. They are legit and they are a better team than they were
last year.

As far as Nebraska goes, well I think NU is a good team this year. They
are better than last year, especially in the offensive line.

You see, my attitude is changing. I think the Voice of the Huskers Kent
Pavelka said it best after this game was over. I paraphrase as closely
as I can remember it:

	Nebraska fans are just gonna have to realize that this Nebraska
	team is a very good team, maybe ONE of the better teams in the
	country, but not THE best team in the country, AND THAT'S OK.

I, and most other Husker fans, have been guilty of the arrogant attitude thru
the years that if the Huskers are not THE best team then the season is a wash.
This is a bad attitude. I'm starting to realize that it is OK to not be THE
best every year. Nebraska puts a very good product on the field year in and
year out despite huge recruiting disadvantages. #1 is not everything. Pride,
    character, and doing your best are at least as important. Even though I
    criticize coach Osborne about things, he does have things in
    perspective.

Go Big Red !!! Keep playing your hardest and doing your best as you always
do. NEVER QUIT!!! I'm proud of you.

Ok, about this game. The Nebraska offense was doing very well until 2 things
stared to happen:

	1. Washington started establishing ball control. They kept the Husker
	   defense on the field and the Husker offense off the field.

	2. In the 3rd quarter, after the Huskers took a 12 point lead, coach
	   Osborne stared playing not to loose and got conservative on offense.

I stated before this ball game that NU would have to score in the 30's to
win. They were on track for that until points 1 and 2 took root. Nebraska
has a very good offense this year. Much improved over last year. The offense
line is huge and quick. They will be very stiff competition for Oklahoma and
Colorado this year.

Nebraska's defense has to improve greatly. How can so many receivers be so
wide open all night? The ABC people kept emphasizing how quick and fast the
Wash. receivers were. I'm a believer.

I think the NU defense did a pretty good job in the first half. But they got
worn down in the second half. 622 total yards for Wash. GEESH!! Sometimes
the best defense is a good offense. Keep'em off the field and they can't
score. Washington did hurt themselves with holding penalties in the first
half, however, than MAY have been because they probably haven't faced lineman
of the quality, and size of Nebraska yet. They got their act together in the
second half though.

You could feel the game slipping away as the 3rd quarter passed. By the 4th
quarter the defense got worn down. The 80 yard run to clinch the game would
not have happened earlier in the game.

I'd like to see the stats for time of possession. Washington had to have had
a huge advantage there. I think that was a key. The best way to Keep Nebraska
from scoring is to keep them off the field.

I was impressed by the Nebraska crowd. They responded to Osborne's plea's via
the press for a fired up and noisy crowd. Coach Tom must have known that
the Huskers were up against it. He dosent say thing like that via the press
much.

The Huskers can't do what they did last year after the Colorado game. They died
after that. The NU coaches say that the players had no life/ spirit after that
CU game. They died mentally and considered the season a waste. Coach Charlie
McBride said that the players began believing "all the garbage in the press."
They can't do that again. They can still win the Big-8 and get beat in the
Orange Bowl by Miami.  ;^)

This is an early season loss and the NU players must show character and NOT
QUIT. They can still accomplish a lot this season. Colorado from last year
    is a good example.

Nebraska has improved miles over where they were last year in my opinion,
but they still have a long way to go. They have loads of potential.

Huskers not the best team in the country? Yup, but that's OK.

Go Big Red !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    		Nebraska Marty
    
           !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, it looks like I'm history.  Goodbye all sport noters.
    In a coupla minutes I turn in my badge then later this
    morning go to sign papers for my 'package'.  This is a
    strange feeling after 3 years.
    
    Good luck to all!  Watch out for plant closings at your
    locations--I'm sure there's more to come.
    
    Cowboy
    

    Marty, you're coming dangerously close to falling to that plague that
    has enveloped the state of North Carolina with respect to their beloved
    basketball team and similarly-bewitched coach.  Snap out of it, man! ;-)
    
    Friday's paper contained an almost unbelievable piece of information
    stating that Nebraska has not beaten a team ranked higher than itself
    since *1978* (or maybe 1977; I forget).  Is this correct?  It may be 
    more of a refection on the pollsters than Nebraska, but that's amazing
    nonetheless.   I know they didn't have many chances to upset teams in 
    the early 80s when they were on top so frequently, but even in the 
    other years I'd figured there were at least a couple big wins thrown in...
    
    glenn
      

Best of luck to you Cowboy!

Happy Trails......

Good luck Cowboy. Best of luck to you.

re: .220

Hmmm, I have not heard that one. It may or may not be true. I do know for a
fact that NU has not beaten a ranked team since 1988!!! Also, a trend has
started to show itself. Nebraska plays a good 2 1/2 to 3 quarters and then
folds. Midway thru the 3rd quarter vs Washington NU was ahead by 12 and
lost by 15. We all remember that the same thing happened vs Colorado last
year.

The "not beaten a ranked team" thing is something the NU team and fans wanted
very badly to get off their back Saturday. Washington was just too good though.
Guess we'll just have to wait till Nov. 2 to get the monkey off.  ;^)

No doubt NU has slipped over the last few years. But I also feel that they
are an improved team this year. If they can just get that defense playing
better they will be ok.

NU has a tough game again this week at Arizona State. Anyone know anything
about Arizona State? Are they ranked? Do they pass well? Defense?

Mark my words - Nebraska will benefit from the Washington game.

Nebraska Marty

    Good Luck Cowboy!!  You'll be missed in here - I hate seeing a good
    college football fan like you leave.
    
    Marty, UW led in possession time 35:38 to 24:22.  UW rushed 47 times
    for 335 yards, NU 36 for 135 yards, and UW outgained NU in total
    yardage 618 to 308.
    
    I agree NU is still a very good team, but by that I mean a top 20 or 25
    team.  It's apparent they can't play with the nation's elite this year.
    This NU team sure must be shaking their heads.  They totally collapsed
    in the 4th quarter, giving up 20 points, at home.  And in their last 4
    games against ranked teams they've been beaten soundly.  And that
    graphic ABC displayed was kind of amazing: NU hasn't beaten a ranked
    team since 1988.  Osborne needs to install some confidence and fire
    into his team now, or they'll get beat again next week at ASU.
    
    In CU's pasting of Minnesota, VAnce Joseph came into the game in the
    2nd quarter with CU leading 24-0.  Hagan had a great day passing,
    completing 7 of 8 for 162 yards.  True freshman QB Kordell Stewart also
    played quite a bit and was impressive.  Another true freshman, running
    back Lamont Warren played very well and we may see quite a bit of him
    before this season's over.
    
    CU's game at Stanford next week is a regional one on ABC.
    
    
    Joe

    I haven't seen ASU yet this year (they're 2-0), but they're obviously
    improved over last year.  Beating USC in the LA Coliseum is no easy
    task and that's what they did on Saturday (was the ABC regional game,
    but I was out).  They rushed for over 300 yards against USC, beating
    them 33-25.  Their other win was a 30-3 crushing of Oklahoma St.
    
    ASU has the home field and the revenge factor with them too (Huskers
    beat them the last 2 years).  I'd be surprised if the Huskers win.
    
    Mike

I agree. Nebraska is a top 20 to 25 team right now. I think they can improve
to top 10 to 15 or possibly a little better by season end. They cant play
with the top 5 at least.

Mike, can ASU pass well? I'm more worried about that than the run. Even though
Washington got plenty of yards rushing vs NU much of that came late with a
very tired and mentally beaten Husker D on the field. Washington had problems
rushing vs NU in the 1st half. Nebraska always has been and IS vulnerable to
the pass, just like the other Big-8 powers. This is why the Big-8 has fallen
off nationaly lately over all.

I remember a few years ago when Nebraska beat ASU at ASU. ASU as really
pumped and thought they could beat the Huskers. It was a good game and I'm 
sure that ASU is going to be up for this one also.

Don't count Nebraska out of this one. If ASU is ranked 24th (?) and the
Huskers at their current fallen-off level then this may be a very good
matchup.

Nebraska still feels as though they have something to prove and they won't
give the season up.

Is anyone picking this up on TV? ESPN, ABC, PRIME ????? It should be a good
game. Is it a night or day game. Night I hope out there in the desert heat.

Husker Henderson_wishing_for_the_old_days_when_my_boys_were_the_elite

  The most impressive thing about the CU/Minn game was the play of 
  CU's freshman. They definately had a good year for recruiting. Lamont
  Warren looked very good running the ball( 2 TD's) but he was also excellent 
  catching passes out of the backfield. With his 4.3 speed I wouldn't be 
  surprised to see him moved to wide receiver and used much like Mike 
  Pritchard was last year.

  CU is loaded at QB. I couldn't see anything that 2nd string Vance Joseph 
  did wrong when he played. However, freshman Kordell Stewart appears to 
  have too much talent not to start next year. His running looked great (good 
  moves, speed and more power than Hagan or Joseph) but the coaches say he's 
  best at passing. He only threw once for a completion. However, you can tell 
  that he still needs some work since he fumbled a couple of snaps and it 
  looked like he should have pitched the ball a couple of times on the option 
  but instead held the ball and ran. If this guy stays healthy, I wouldn't be
  surprised to see him become one of the better college QB's and break
  most of Hagan's records.

				Keith

    Re: ASU
    
    As I said before, I haven't seen them yet.  I do know that their QB is
    vastly improved (only a sophmore) over last year (started as a frosh).
    ASU usually has at least 1 good WR every year.  Some really great
    receivers have come to the NFL from ASU.
    
    This game is also ASU's home opener (first 2 wins were on the road). 
    Everyone should be plenty psyched, especially after whuppin the
    University of Spoiled Children.
    
    Mike

Mike, sounds like this one has all the makings of a really good game. This
is Nebraska's first road game. A lot is going to depend on the mental
attitude of the Huskers.

And don't anybody start talking about Nebraska's "weak schedule" anymore.
And if you CU fans think CU has a tough pre-conference schedule then think
again. Baylor is no Washington, not by a long shot. The other 3 CU opponents
are worthless. CU fans had no right to bitch about NU's schedule last year in
the face of CU's equally whimpy schedule thhis year. If you don't like that
statement then just look at the schedules and shut up.

Huskers non-conference this year has 2 ranked teams out of 4 opponents plus
1 WAC-10 team which almost beat an undefeated Air Force. Air Farce is now
ranked also. If Nebraska can come out of Saturday with a win then I think
they will have done very well so far.

I heard the most bogus krap last night on KOA (Denver) radio station sports
call in show.

	Caller: I thought the Nebraska game was interesting. They run the score
		up on OUR Colorado State then get it handed to them by a good
		Washington team. They intentionally run the score up on so many
		people it was great to see a good team destry them.

	KOA:    Yea Nebraska runs it up on lesser teams and then when they
		meet a halfway decent team they fold.

	Caller: Yea I was supprised to see Nebraska up 21-9 in the 3rd. Then
		they folded. They did the same thing last year vs Colorado.

	KOA:    A lot of people saw what happened in the Washington game
		comming. I think you'll see Colorado beat Nebraska again
		this year without much problem and CU might beat Oklahoma.

$ SET FLAME/ON=FULL

This is pure Dog S&%T. Excuse my language. If I hadent of been in the car
I would have called in. There are NO facts here. And this kind of crap want
on for the whole show. This is only one example.

First: They are hypocrits (SP?). They say this after CU beats Minnesota (A real
powerhouse) 58 - zip. Now was CU intentionaly running it UP??? How can they
talk about Nebraska??? Of course CU was not INTENTIONALLY running it up. The
caller or KOA did not bother to research the FACT that Nebraska played over
100 people in that CSU game. They STARTED the second string D the 3rd quarter.
(This is the ONLY reason CSU even scored. So much for any thought about the
WAC being any good). I'm sure CU did pretty much the same VS powerhouse 
Minnesota.

Second: The 2 games they mentioned, the CU and WASH. games, Nebraska was facing
	a better team than themselves. With that in mind I don't call it a fold.
	I call it comendable that NU worked their butts off to have a lead after
	3 quarters vs a BETTER TEAM THAN THEMSELVES !!! When you extend yourself
	so far like that it's tough to keep it up against a better team. I
	think NU deserves credit for the effort vs, once again, a better team.

Third:	CU fans - DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT CU IS GOING TO BEAT NEBRASKA THIS
	YEAR!!! NU has a lot of time to improve before Nov. 2. NU has more
	talent than they did last year. They are a better team. Plus all 
	indications are that CU is NOT AS GOOD AS LAST YEAR. Face it, they
	are a good team but they do not have the talent they did last year.
	Baylor is a good team but they are not top 10 quality.

I hope the CU fans do take the attitude of KOA and the caller because there
is a VERY good chance that they will loose to both OU and NU just like almost
every year up untill the last 2. They then will come crashing back down to
reality just like us Huskers fans have had to and quit being go f'ing arrogant.
Time will tell.

$ SET FLAME/OFF

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

Nebraska Marty !!!!!!!!

    
    Marty, don't get all worked up just because one jerk said some stupid
    things.  There's alot of CU fans who are jerks, just as there are alot
    of Nebraska fans who are jerks and fans of any team who are jerks.
    
> Huskers non-conference this year has 2 ranked teams out of 4 opponents plus
> 1 WAC-10 team which almost beat an undefeated Air Force. Air Farce is now
> ranked also. If Nebraska can come out of Saturday with a win then I think
> they will have done very well so far.
    
    Air Force is *not* ranked right now, (at least not by AP) and doesn't
    deserve to be IMO.  I'm thrilled they're 4-0 but they play in a lesser
    conference and they are only a breath away from being 1-3 or 1-2-1 or
    1-1-2.  

    
    Joe
    

    

    Marty, I went and borrowed a relative's Sunday's sports section just
    for you ;-)
    
    ASU QB Bret Powers passing line against USC was 7-14-0 - 149. Not very 
    impressive until you put it in perspective:
    
    1.  He was 5-9-0 - 125 as ASU raced to a 25-10 halftime lead.
    2.  ASU rushed for 307 yards (on 53 carries) as a team.  Why pass when
        USC couldn't stop them on the ground?
    3.  Receivers' stats:  Guliford  4-104, Snyder 2-29, Moss 1-16.  That's
        a 21.3 yards per reception average!  Obviously they have a passing
        game!
    
    ASU led 32-10 after 3 quarters.  Now for the the defensive side of the
    game:
    
    USC rushed for 214 yards on 48 carries.  Their passing line was 13-29-3
    - 136.  They averaged 10.5 per reception.
    
    Mike

    re-1
    
    
      Marty
    
      Don't you ever get tired of gripping about this schedule non-sense.
    Nu and every other school in the country make these schedules up
    three to fives years in advance. They all have to find somebody to
    play. I know you don't like hearing about NU's weak schedule but
    why add fuel to the fire by complaining about everybody else's. What
    you see if what you get. Lets keep the discussion to games that
    have real value CU/NU, NU/oU etc. 
    
    Cadzilla 
    

    Joe,
    
    	You are indeed correct on there being alot of NU fans
    	that are jerks...........
    
    	Air Force has also played mighty Weber St., that buzzsaw
    	of a team CSU, the juggernaut from Utah U., and the very
    	scary San Diego St. Aztecs on their way to that 4-0 record.
    
    Marty,
    
    	I seem to recall you calling me down on the carpet for 
    	referring to you as Bugeater.  Yet, you sign yourself
    	off with it sometimes this year.  What gives?  Should
    	I withdraw my apology (which apparently wasn't needed)?
    
    Claybroon

    Marty -
    
    FWIW - the Seattle Times had an article on Sunday that said that Husky
    fans that attended the game in Lincoln considered Husker fans to be the 
    nicest fans they ever met.  Numerous stories of Husker fans inviting
    Husky fans to tail gate with them, and in a couple of instances, Husker
    fans *helped* Husky fans decorate their campers, etc., with Husky
    colors.
    
    JD

re: -1

I agree Joe. It's just that there were several "jerks" calling in with the same
brainless attitude. Look, even I, a vaunted CU Buff hater, give CU credit where
credit is due. And you would expect the KOA sportscasters to have a much more
accurate outlook. KOA is a major radio station.

I remember now where I got the Air Force thing. I heard a report saying that
Air Farce (Sorry, can't help it) was only a few votes away from being ranked.
Got it a bit mixed up.

Bugeater Marty   ;^)

Well, there's more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. I made a contact
with someone in Lincoln via the USENET. He has put me on a mailing list for
weekly Husker news from Lincoln!!! Yes !!!

Here is the first posting from that distribution. I have only 1 comment to
make. Dr. Tom is a PHD and it took him this long to figure out about finding
out about your weeknesses early? Geesh, I just have a little certificate from
an electronics tech school and I knew this long ago...

Husker Notes, Sep 25, 1991

The Nebraska Women's Volleyball team, which had its first three-match
losing streak sinc 1982 (!) has dropped to ninth in the latest ratings.
This Saturday, they host the FirsTier Invitational, which will feature
a sister-versus-sister battle.  Janet Kruse, the senior All-American,
has a sister, Jodi, who plays for Georgia.  The other participants in
this weekend's Invitational are Colorado and Maryland.  Janet injured
her ankle in the season opener against Wisconsin and didn't return until
last weekend in NU's loss to New Mexico at the BUY/Mizuno Invitational
in Provo, Utah.

Copyright restrictions prevent me from reproducing all of Ken Hambleton's essay
in the Tuesday Lincoln Journal on ways to interpret the Husker's loss to
Washington last Saturday, but this entry stood out:

Critical: Washington has a better future in speech communication and
classics, too.  [Background:  NU has proposed eliminating these two
departments as part of a major budget reduction.]

Hambo also pointed out that Nebraska allowed only one pass completion for
more than 22 yards.  (Gee, thanks!)

  [This next statement is what I'm talking about]

Osborne quotes of the day: "I think the other thing that's positive about
[Saturday's loss to Washington] is you probably see some of the things that 
we need to improve and you see it early in the year.  So many times around
here it may be a late-season game before we're really exposed."

After being told that NU's appearance in the AP poll for 159 straight weeks 
is one short of the record set by Michigan from 1968-1980: "That's good.  I 
haven't had any good news nationally for a long time."

On tight end Johnny Mitchell, who had two TD receptions in the first
two games, but didn't have a reception against Washington: "The problem is
you don't throw to the guy who's covered.  I remember one time a guy said,
'Tom, I never played football but I used to play on a fraternity team and
had this uncanny knack of just getting open.  Why don't you just tell
(former NU receiver) Guy Ingles to get open.'  I said, 'Well, it doesn't
work that way. We don't just have a get-open pass.'"

Linebacker Trev Alberts didn't practice on Tuesday due to a sprained ankle.
He is questionable for the Arizona State game.  Center Bill Ziegelbein 
bruised an elbow and left practice early.  QB Mickey Joseph, kicked in the
leg on Monday, returned to practice on Tuesday.
---
Michael Nolan
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Husker Notes, Sep 24, 1991

In preparation for this Saturday's game first road game, against Arizona 
State, Tom Osborne says the team might resort to the same preparation tactics 
that they used in for the 1987 Arizona State game--heating the Schulte Field 
House to 95 degrees to help condition the players to the temperatures expected 
in Tempe.  Since the long-range forecast for Lincoln this week has highs in 
the 60's, Osborne may have the team practice out of doors, then go into the 
heat for 15 minutes of wind sprints.

In 1987, the Huskers received a one-game waiver from the Big Eight 60 player 
travel roster limit, so that they could take 70 players to Tempe.  They have
received permission to do this again in 1991.

The game will be televised by the Nebraska Educational Television Network,
but contractual restrictions will permit the game to be live only in the
Lincoln and Omaha areas, with the rest of the state seeing the game on a
one hour tape delayed basis.  Kickoff is at 7:07 pm MST (9:07 CDT).

Arizona State is averaging 424.5 yards per game, 246.5 rushing, 178 passing,
while giving up 291.5 yards per game.  They also are plus six in turnovers
through their first two games.  Arizona State is 2-0, beating Oklahoma State
30-3 and Southern Cal 32-25, both games on the road. 

With Soto's broken leg keeping him out until at least bowl time, Osborne may
drop plans to redshirt sophomore Cory Schlesinger, but doesn't plan to move
Scott Baldwin from I-back to fullback, at least not for the moment.  Baldwin
practiced at fullback last spring, and would be the logical choice if there
is another injury at that position.  Baldwin is not expected to play against
Arizona State.  Tight end William Washington, who missed the Washington game
with a strained hamstring, returned to practice Monday.  

The depth chart this week has a few changes--Bill Ziegelbein has moved
back to starting center, wingback Abdul Muhammad, who had a couple of good
plays in the Washington game, has moved up to the number 2 position and will
alternate with starter Nate Turner this Saturday.

The NU depth chart for this week reads as follows.  A dash indicates players
are sharing that spot in the list.  

Split End: John Bostick, Tyrone Hughes, Dan Pleasant-Corey Dixon
Left Tackle: Erik Weigert, Lance Lundberg, Rob Zatechka
Left Guard: Dave Jensen, Chris Zyzda, Ken Mehlin
Center: Bill Ziegelbein, Jim Scott, Terris Chorney
Right Guard: Will Shields, T.J. Slansky, Brenden Stal
Right Tackle: Brian Boerboom, Zach Weigert, Ray Reifenrath
Tight End: William Washington, Johnny Mitchell, Daryl Liese-Chris Garrett 
QB:  Keithen McCant, Mickey Joseph, Tom Haase
FB: Lance Lewis, Tim Johnk, Robert Glanz, Andre McDuffy  
IB: Derek Brown, Calvin Jones, George Achola, McDuffy  Injured--Scott Baldwin
WB: Nate Turner, Abdul Muhammad, Vincent Hawkins, Mark Dowse
Punter: Mike Stigge, Byron Bennett
K: Bennett, Tom Seiler
Deep Snapper: Ziegelbein, Jason Baker
Holder: Mike Stigge, Tom Haase
Punt Returns: Corey Dixon, Tyrone Hughes, Vernon Powell, Nate Turner
Kickoff Returns: Turner, Hughes, Dixon, Brown

Left Outside LB: Travis Hill, David Leader, Lance Gray
Left Tackle: Kevin Ramaekers, Jamie Liewer, Matt Hillman, Terry Connealy
Middle Guard: Pat Engelbert, David Noonan, Jerry Irons
Right Tackle: John Parella, Brian Brown, Bruce Moore
Right Outide LB: David White, Trev Alberts, Donta Jones
Strongside LB: Mike Petko, Darren Williams, Troy Branch, Shane Geiken
Weakside LB: Mike Anderson, Ed Stewart, Paul Wightman, Doug Colman
Left CB: Curtis Cotton, Kenney Wilhite, Sedric Collins
Right CB: Tyrone Legette, Mike Heins, Vernon Powell
Strong Saftey: Steve Carmer, Troy Dumas, Ernie Beier
Free Saftey: Tyrone Byrd, Lorenzo Brinkley-John Reece


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    A Quick look at this weekend's games:
    
    CU at Stanford: Stanford doesn't appear to have that good of a team,
    getting destroyed by Washington and losing to Arizona.  CU center Jay
    Leeuwenburg has a broken hand but will play.  The Buffs came together
    last week - let's see if they can keep it going this week in their last
    non-conference and first road game.  Stanford gets ND next week.
    
    NU at Arizona State: I can't see the Huskers losing 2 in a row.  If
    they do, there will be *major* rumblings in Lincoln.  ASU has a chance 
    to show they're for real - last week's win over Jekyll & Hyde USC could
    be deceiving.
    
    Indiana at Missouri: Should be a good game.  Missouri beat a good
    Illinois team but got whipped at Baylor.  
    
    Iowa State at Rice:  ISU embarrassed the conference by losing to
    Wisconsin last week.  They will probably lose again against an
    improving Rice team and finish the non-conference slate at 1-3.  ISU
    coach has benched starting QB Chris Pedersen.
    
    Kansas State at Washington: No more I-AA cupcakes for KSU here as they
    hit reality in a big way.  Blowout city.
    
    Virginia Tech at OU: Another blowout.  OU's last easy game before they
    play Texas and the rest of the Big 8.  However, the way things are
    going, the Texas game looks like it'll be an easy one also.  Homecoming
    for OU. 
    
    Kansas (3-0) and Oklahoma State (0-3) are idle.
    
    
    Joe

    Joe,
    
    	However bad Texas may appear, it wonn't be an easy game for
    	OU.  This is a big time rivalry we're talking about.
    
    	How can OU have a homecoming gthat's played in Dallas? :^)
    
    Claybone

    
    	Please excuse the garbled note.   I'm going throug a modem
    	to GEENRAL and we're experiencing technical difffiulties.
    
    	Claybone

    OU can have its Homecoming in Dallas because all their best players
    come from Texas.
    
    John

    > OU can have its Homecoming in Dallas because all their best players
    > come from Texas.
    
    *Usually* OU's best players are from Texas.  This year's pre-season
    pick for Big 8 Player of the Year, Cale Gundy, is Sooner born-and-bred,
    however (even though our departed friend Cowboy would call him 'Poke
    born-and-bred, and therefore a traitor...)
    
    Is OU's homecoming really the Texas game?  I didn't think they did
    that...
    
    glenn
    

    Didn't mean to cause all this confusion.  OU's game against Virginia
    Tech was their homecoming.  I'm surprised they struggled against the
    Hokies.  
    
    No, I'm not ignoring the CU loss.  They were very flat and unemotional
    and deserved to lose.  More later.  Let's hope Stanford can pull
    another upset next week!
    
    Joe

    I didn't see the Nebraska-ASU contest (except for some highlights). 
    From what I've heard ASU gave them a game that they should've won.
    Final was 18-9.  Nebraska's kicker was blocked 4 or 5 times.  ASU
    committed 7 turnovers, 3 inside of their own 20 and the defense snuffed
    the Huskers each time.
    
    Bret Powers (ASU QB) had to leave the game in the 4th with what they
    thought was a separated shoulder.  Turns out it was a severe sprain and
    he's week to week.
    
    Mike

Mike, from what I heard, and I did not see the game, NU intercepted about
3 times and sacked the ASU QB about 5 or 6 times. My understanding is that
NU tried to give this game away.  Hmm, funny how people can see the same game
and yet see 2 different games.

Any non-partisan fans have the real scoop? I havent even seen any stats as
the Colorado papers seem to try to ignore all other Big-8 opponents untill
they play them.

Huskers back on track.

Nebraska Marty

    As I said, CU was was flat and played without emotion.  Offense was
    very stagnant, but the defense wasn't exactly stellar, giving up 485
    yards of total offense.  Even though Stanford drove for an early TD I
    wasn't concerned because the Buffs usually start slow.  They got going
    in the 2nd quarter after an interception return for a TD and Hagan
    threw a TD pass.  It looked like CU was on track later in the quarter
    when they were driving again and leading 14-7, but stalled and Harper
    missed a field goal.  The key point was probably early in the 3rd
    quarter when Stanford converted a 4th and about 7 and went in for the
    tying TD.  After falling behind 21-7, Joseph came in when Hagan was
    hurt and brought the Buffs to within 21-14 with about 3 and a half
    minutes left.  But CU gave up 3 first downs to Stanford and they ran
    out the clock - game over. 
    
    Hagan strained a tendon in his knee, but it wasn't related to his
    Orange Bowl injury and he should be ready for the Missouri game on Oct.
    12th.  CU is off this week.  Much to my surprise, the Buffs are still
    ranked at #25.
    
    RE: Nebraska
    They were trailing in the 3rd quarter 9-8.
    
    Missouri tied Indiana 28-28, but IU got ripped.  Missouri tied on a
    2-point conversion, but I saw the play and MU quarterback Phil Johnson
    did not get into the end zone.  Definitely a bad call.
    
    
    Joe
    

    Correction on the CU summary.  They fell behind 28-14 and pulled to
    within 28-21 with about 3:30 left.
    
    Marty, I have box for the NU game - let me know what stats you're
    interested in.
    
    Joe

  Has anyone heard anything about Hagan's injury ? If I were Hagan, I'd
  seriously consider the professional baseball offers he's received and
  think about retiring from football while he can still walk.

  The youth and inexperience of the CU offense really showed when they've
  come up against the better teams in their schedule. I though the offense
  was way too conservative and should have opened the game with more passing.
  The freshman dominated offensive line just isn't opening the holes for the
  running backs. Lamont Warren made a critical fumble which resulted in the 
  most important Stanford score but he still looks like an excellent talent
  who should star for CU in the future.

  I was impressed with both of the Stanford running backs. They are both 
  expected to be high draft picks for the NFL.

					Keith

    I did a little research and found a disturbing statistic.  While Big 8
    teams are 16-10-1 overall this year in nonconference games (with 4
    games to go), they aren't doing too well against the major conferences.
    
    Here's the Big 8 records against other conferences for 1991:
    
    vs. Big 10     2-2-1
    vs. Pac-10     1-4
    vs. SWC        1-3 (1 game left, OU vs. Texas)
    vs. ACC        0-0 (1 game left, KU vs. Virginia)
    vs. Big East   1-0 (1 game left, OSU vs. Miami)
    
    There are no games between Big 8 teams and SEC teams (thankfully!) this
    season.  I guess the worst part is how poorly the conference is doing
    against the Pac-10 and SWC, 2 conferences that are considered to be
    fairly weak.
    
    
    Joe

    
    Of course, it's mostly the Big-8 patsies playing those tough
    non-conference games, right Joe?  Oklahoma's taking the year off in that
    regard (excepting the traditional game against a mediocre Texas), so
    whatever level they're at they've decided not to test it this year.
    
    For what it's worth, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Colorado haven't impressed
    this season from what I've seen.  But someone's got to go to the Orange
    Bowl...
    
    glenn
    

Thanks Joe. 

I would like to see total yards, yards rushing, yards passing and time of
possesion on that NU/ASU game.

Bugeater Marty

    Marty, all I saw of the game were the highlights on the coach's weekly 
    show.  ASU led 9-8 late in the 3rd and still gave the game away.  The
    defense for ASU was awesome!  Especially when the offense fumbled 3
    times inside their own 20.  The defense stopped them all 3 times,
    blocked 1 of the FG attempts (the Husker kicker muffed the other 2,
    hitting the right upright, then the left).  ASU had 7 turnovers total
    and still were in the game well into the 4th quarter.  
    
    Nebraska should've scored something out of those opportunities and came
    away with nothing.  They should also look for a kicker that can kick. 
    In addition to the above, ASU blocked another FG attempt and an extra
    point attempt.  Part of his problem is that he kicks line drives.
    Nebraska lucked out on the blocked extra point attempt.  The ball
    bounced right back to a Husker near the goal line and he just stepped
    across for the 2 point conversion.
    
    ASU's coach played too conservatively on the passing game.  They
    could've thrown on Nebraska, but never attempted anything over 30
    yards.
    
    Mike

Glenn, here is the breakdown of teams vs. major conferences:

CU: 1-0 vs. Big 10, 0-1 vs. Pac-10, 0-1 vs. SWC
KU: Plays UVA this week
KSU: 0-1 vs. Pac-10
ISU: 0-2 vs. big 10, 1-0 vs. SWC
MU: 1-0-1 vs. Big 10, 0-1 vs. SWC
NU: 1-1 vs. Pac-10
OU: 1-0 vs. BE, plays UT still
OSU: 0-1 vs. Pac-10, 0-1 vs. SWC, plays Miami this week


NU-ASU Stats:
                   NU       ASU
First downs        19       14
Rushes-yards     61-253    32-63
Passing            63       197
Passes           7-15-1    15-22-2
Fumbles-lost       0-0      7-5
Penalties-yds.    6-55      5-35
Time of poss.    34:43     25:17

NU passing: McCant, 5-12-1, 37 yards,  Joseph 2-3-0-26
NU rushing: Brown 25-135, McCant 13-61, C. Jones 3-29, Lewis 6-20, Joseph 3-5
Johnk 1-3


Joe

Husker News 1-Oct-1991

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Nebraska 18, Arizona State 9

The fans knew it was going to be an off day when the Nebraska coaching staff put
on their new red shirts and discovered they were a shade or two darker than
their previous ones, more like the 'Oklahoma' red than the 'Nebraska' red.

The kick specialists sure had an off day: one blocked extra point, two 
blocked field goals.  (The blocked extra point was recovered behind the
line of scrimmage by TE William Washington, who ran it into the end zone
for a two-point conversion.)  

The offense had an off day, getting only two touchdowns despite excellent
field position throughout the game.  Several drives stalled out in the 
'red zone', within the Arizona State 20 yard line. 

Even the vaunted Nebraska rushing game had an off day, with just 253 yards,
dropping Nebraska to 2nd place in the NCAA rushing category, behind Army.  
(Hmmm, maybe General Schwartzkoff has been moonlighting on the Hudson?)
Nebraska remain on top of the punting statistics, with a 43.5 yard net punting 
average.

The defense stole the show, literally: 2 interceptions, recovering 5 of 7 ASU 
fumbles.  They held ASU to 'only' 197 passing yards and just 63 on the ground.
They also sacked the ASU quarterback 4 times.

Sophomore I-back Derek Brown didn't have an off day, although he wasn't
aware of it at the time.  He had 135 yards rushing, to become the first
Husker to rush for 100+ yards in the first four games of the season since
Jarvis Redwine in 1980.  He was also named Big Eight offensive player of the 
week.  In a locker room interview, Brown was amazed to find out he had rushed
for more than 100 yards.

Tom Osborne said of the performance, "It wasn't pretty, but it was a good
win, and it was an important time for us to win."

Osborne also remarked, "You watch.  There will be a lot of people disappointed
that we didn't score more points.  But that's OK.  I've kind of gotten used
to that.  We won the game."  What Dr. Tom didn't mention was that Nebraska
did cover the 6 1/2 point spread, which may still the voice of the malcontents.

Nebraska now has another off week, but this one by design.  They begin the
Big Eight conference season in two weeks at Oklahoma State.

Scoring and stats:

Nebraska       8   0   3   7 -  18
Arizona State  0   3   6   0 -   9

NU - McCant, 1 yard run (Washington run)
ASU- Ritchey, 37 yard field goal
ASU- Montgomery, 1 yard run (run failed)
NU - Bennett, 28 yard field goal
NU - Bostick, 9 yard pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
Attendance:  72,812, the 2nd largest crowd for a regular season game in
Tempe.  An estimated 10,000 Nebraska fans were there, mostly from the
Southwest.
                           NU          ASU
First downs                19           14
Rushes-yards           61-253        32-63
Passing yards              64          197
Total yards               317          260
Return yards                8            8
Passing                7-15-1      15-22-2
Punts                  4-46.0       2-33.0
Fumbles-lost              0-0          7-5
Penalties-yards          6-55         5-35
Time of possession      34:43        25:17

Individual Stats:

Rushing:  D. Brown 25-135, McCant 18-61, Jones 8-29, Lewis 6-20, Joseph 3-5,
   Johnk 1-3
Passing:  McCant 5-12-1-37, Joseph 2-3-0-26
Receiving:  Hawkins 1-22, Muhammad 1-10, Mitchell 2-9, Bostick 1-9,
   Brown 1-9, Jones 1-4
Punting:  Stigge 4-184 (46.0 yards average)
Kickoff returns:  Dixon 1-27, Hughes 1-19, Turner 1-12
Interception returns:  Carmer 1-5, Liewer 1-3

Partly personal:  This should be the last post to you all from this account.  
Future posts will be from the new huskers mailing list.  

Although the system that the mailing list is on is not quite as well-connected 
as this one, it will be easier for me to manage the list, thus improving it.  

Thanks to the initial bunch of subscribers for encouraging me to keep at it and
for helping me debug the mailing list setup.  If, by chance, you don't get 
anything for a couple of days, e-mail me just in case I have a latent bug.

To subscribe and other administrivia, send e-mail to [email protected]
To post to the list, send e-mail to [email protected]

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    Marty,
    Have you seen any Nebraska schedules post-1995? I read somewhere in
    a ND publication that Notre Dame and Nebraska have scheduled a match
    for the late 1990's. Ring a bell?
    
    MikeL
    

    The Buffs (2-2), Huskers (3-1), and KSU (3-1) are idle this week.
    
    OU (3-0) is playing at Iowa State (2-2) in the first conference game of 
    the season.  The Sooners always play a conference game earlier than 
    everyone else because they play the Longhorns during the Texas State Fair, 
    which is usually around the middle of October (OU-Texas is on Oct. 12th 
    this year).
    
    Oklahoma State (0-3) is going to Miami (3-0, ranked 2nd) to get killed.
    
    KU (3-0) is playing at Virginia (2-2), an interesting matchup that has been 
    talked about a bit over in the ACC football note.  UVA certainly isn't the
    team they were last year, but this should still be a good measuring
    stick for Kansas.
    
    Memphis State (2-2) plays at Missouri (1-1-1)
    
    
    Joe

re: Huskers vs Fighting Irish

My understanding is that this is not official yet. NU & ND are trying to
negotiate a deal.

Hope it comes about,

Nebraska Marty

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  6-OCT-1991 10:32:02.82
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Husker Notes, Oct 6th

Interesting that both of the following involve Seattle....

Rich King, the former NU center and the 14th pick in last year's NBA draft,
has signed a four-year contract with the Seattle Supersonics worth $2.8
million.  The contract was signed just two hours before the 'Sonics opened
their fall training camp.  King suggests that since virtually NOTHING happened
for two or three months after being drafted on June 26th that the NBA
consider moving the draft day to just before training camp opens.  "That
way there won't be all this waiting and confusion."

Former Husker defensive lineman Jim Skow, who has played for the Bengals
and played last year with Tampa Bay but was released by them this summer, has 
signed a contract with the Seattle Seahawks.

The Nebraska women's and men's cross country teams finished third and 13th
at the Minnesota Invitational on Saturday.  Fran ten Bensel finished first
in a field of 140 runners to win the women's individual title, the best
the men could do was 19th place, by David Iteffa.

NU Defensive Coordinator Charlie McBride, while likening the current rules
situation in college football to 'playing pro football on grass', feels
that the Nebraska defense has learned a lot from the Washington and ASU
games.  "We're still trying to get everybody in the right position and
alignment in the first place.  You can't do anything without knowing the
basics.  But we're gaining in confidence.  The offense can still limit
how many things the defense can do, but we're getting better.  I think this
can be a good defense."

The Washington and ASU games have made at least one convert to the NU cause.  
Lincoln Journal-Star sportswriter Mike Babcock, who had picked Nebraska to 
finish 3rd in the Big Eight (Colorado 1st, Oklahoma 2nd), now thinks the final 
order will be Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado.  "Some people only saw the 
inability of Nebraska's offense to capitalize on opportunities provided by
the defense.  I saw a team experiencing growing pains.  The Cornhuskers went
through some tough times the last two weeks.  But they survived in Tempe
by coming away with a victory, whcih means they also survivied the Washington
loss.  They should be better for it."
---
Michael Nolan, [email protected]              "Software means never having
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Husker Notes, Oct 7th.

According to the TV, I-back Scott Baldwin worked out today for the first
time since his ankle injury during the opening game of the season.  He
went the entire 2 1/2 hours, and is reported to be feeling OK, but not
100%.  Derek Brown will likely start at I-back against Oklahoma State,
and may have the starting job until somebody like Baldwin *takes* it away
from him.  (See below.)

Also, tight end William Washington made it through the full practice today,
which means his hamstring must be getting better.

The NU Women's Volleyball team crushed Illinois Sunday, 15-7, 15-7, 15-1,
before 4,052 spectators at the Bob Devaney Sports Center.  This was another
battle of sisters, as Eileen Shannon's sister, Kathleen, plays for
Illinois.  Eileen responded with her best match of the season.

Taking a week off didn't hurt NU's position in the NCAA statistics, they
regained first place in rushing offense.  They are still 2nd in net punting,
3rd in total offense and turnover margin, 5th in scoring offense, and
7th in punt returns.  Derek Brown is 9th in individual rushing, averaging 
132.7 yards/game.  Steve Carmer and Kenny Wilhite are tied with for 8th place 
in interceptions with 3 each.
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  8-OCT-1991 23:45:39.24
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Husker Notes, Oct 8th

A lot of people have claimed Tom Osborne is in the dark, but a water line
break in South Stadium that required workers to cut power to the football
offices is responsible, THIS TIME.  :-)  The coaching staff moved over
to the Nebraska Center to study films and work on the game plan for this
Saturday's Big Eight Conference opener at Oklahoma State.

OSU is 0-4, and coach Pat Jones is probably wondering when he's going
to stop getting soaked, too.  That Oklahoma State hasn't beaten Nebraska
since 1961 is only part of his problems.  His Cowboy's are last in the
conference in offense, and seventh in defense, aided in part by the
fact that 12 out of the 33 players who played against Miami last week
weren't even on the OSU roster last year, and two starters are out with
knee injuries.  It should be noted, however, that OSU's four opponents
so far (Tulsa, Texas Christian, Arizona State, and Miami) are 14-4 this
season.

Jones said, "The thing is, we're not done.  The morale is actually pretty
good.  Emotionally we should be up because its a Big Eight opener and
Nebraska is one of those teams we've often played very tough."

The only Husker to miss practice on Monday was cornerback Tyrone Legette,
who had a cyst removed from his hip.  Erik Wiegert has apparently been
permanently moved from tackle to guard.

Campus notes:  As previously reported, budget cuts may cause the demise
of the classics and speech communications departments.  (The latter
held a silent protest.)  The Philosophy and Art History departments have
eliminated phones in professor's offices as cost-cutting measures, although 
some faculty members have elected to pay the cost themselves.  The first of 
13 hearings by the University Academic Planning Committee on the proposed 
budget cuts mandated by the Legislature was today.  New UNL Chancellor
Graham Spangler, who assumes office on November 1st, has stated that he
doesn't feel eliminating the classics or speech communications departments
will 'cripple the University'.  The UNL chapter of AAUP has raised $4000
so far to fight the cuts.  Retired UNL horticulturist Harvey O. Werner,
sometimes called 'the father of the Nebraska potato industry', died Monday
at 97.  He taught at UNL from 1918 until 1962, remaining active in research
afterwards.
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  9-OCT-1991 18:46:55.87
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Didn't have energy enough to type the depth chart yesterday.  (The
Twins-Blue Jays game was so exciting I fell asleep just as Toronto was
coming close to tying the score.)

A lot of changes from the last one, mostly 2nd and 3rd string offense.
The NU depth chart for this week reads as follows.  A dash indicates players
are sharing that spot in the list.  

Split End: John Bostick, Tyrone Hughes, Dan Pleasant-Corey Dixon
Left Tackle: Lance Lundberg, Rob Zatechka
Left Guard: Erik Weigert, Chris Zyzda, Dave Jensen
Center: Bill Ziegelbein, Jim Scott, Jason Baker   
Right Guard: Will Shields, T.J. Slansky, Ken Mehlin   
Right Tackle: Brian Boerboom, Zach Weigert, Ray Reifenrath
Tight End: William Washington, Daryl Liese-Johnny Mitchell, Chris Garrett 
QB:  Keithen McCant, Mickey Joseph, Tom Haase
FB: Lance Lewis, Tim Johnk, Andre McDuffy, Robert Glantz  (Soto-injured)
IB: Derek Brown, Calvin Jones, George Achola, Scott Baldwin
WB: Nate Turner, Abdul Muhammad, Vincent Hawkins, Mark Dowse
Punter: Mike Stigge, Byron Bennett

Left Outside LB: Travis Hill, David Leader, Lance Gray
Left Tackle: Kevin Ramaekers, Jamie Liewer, Matt Hillman, Terry Connealy
Middle Guard: Pat Engelbert, David Noonan, Jerry Irons
Right Tackle: John Parella, Brian Brown, Bruce Moore
Right Outide LB: David White, Trev Alberts, Donta Jones
Strongside LB: Mike Petko, Darren Williams, Troy Branch, Shane Geiken
Weakside LB: Mike Anderson, Ed Stewart-Paul Wightman, Doug Colman
Left CB: Curtis Cotton, Kenney Wilhite, Sedric Collins
Right CB: Tyrone Legette, Mike Heins, Vernon Powell
Strong Saftey: Steve Carmer, Troy Dumas, Ernie Beier
Free Saftey: Tyrone Byrd, John Reese, Lorenzo Brinkley

The Lincoln paper doesn't list these, which I had earlier gotten from the
Omaha World-Herald, so I don't know if there have been any changes:
K: Bennett, Tom Seiler
Deep Snapper: Ziegelbein, Jason Baker
Holder: Mike Stigge, Tom Haase
Punt Returns: Corey Dixon, Tyrone Hughes, Vernon Powell, Nate Turner
Kickoff Returns: Turner, Hughes, Dixon, Brown

Tom Osborne said he was somewhat disappointed with Monday's practice, the
players weren't as sharp--possibly because of the off week.  Tuesday's
practice was better, Osborne said.  Although Scott Baldwin's ankle injury
is healed enough to permit him to practice, he will probably not be on
the travelling squad to Oklahoma State this weekend.

And now the latest episode of "All My Ex-players":  [Organ music, rising]
Former NU player Jeff Mills, now with the Denver Broncos, was arrested in 
Denver early Wednesday morning.  Stopped because his car did not have two 
license plates and had illegally tinted windows, Mills did not have a drivers 
license on him and refused to put his fingerprint on the ticket as a form of 
identification.

When Mills refused to get out of his car, two Denver patrolmen forcibly removed
him.  (Must have been interesting, Jeff is about 240 as I recall.)
He was charged with driving on a suspended license, among other things,
and posted a $1000 bond.  [Organ music comes to a chord, fades out]
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    	N.D. vs. "Huskers".  I think it's a typo.  What with the NBC
    connection I believe it's really the "Huckstables" vs. N.D. in a five
    man flag football match or it's the "Hulkster" vs. N.D. in a special
    Saturday Night Main Event.  HTH.
    
    				/Don

re: Husker Updates

I'm on a distribution list for these updates. This list comes from a non-DEC
source in Lincoln Ne. I stumbled onto this via the USENET.

If you want to get onto this list you can send mail to the FROM: field
in the Husker Update notes and request to be placed on the list.

Husker Henderson

    Tomorrow it's Mizzou at CU in a rematch of last year's 'fifth-down
    game'.  I'll tell you one thing, the Tiggers better strap 'em up and
    come to Boulder ready to play.  After listening to the fifth-down story
    countless times over the past year the Buffs will be ready to take it
    out on Mizzou.  Plus McCartney's been working his team hard the past 2
    weeks after the poor showing at Stanford.  But you gotta believe
    that Missouri will also come in steaming because they feel they
    beat the Buffs last year.  Certainly no love loss in this one, even
    though Missouri is McCartney's alma mater.
    
    In the OU-Texas game, OU tailback Mike Gaddis will be starting after
    missing the past 2 seasons.  Last week Gaddis had over 100 yards
    against Iowa State.  OU is favored by 6, which I feel is way too low.  
    
    Nebraska plays Oklahoma State, and Osborne has never lost to OSU.
    
    
    Joe

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 14-OCT-1991 10:17:06.44
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"As I said before the season began," Tom Osborne said, "our goal is to try
to call at least 25 passes a game and get the ball in the air somewhere between
20 and 25 times.  That would be up about 15 times a game from previous years."

By that standard, Keithen McCant's 19 pass attempts, added to two each by
Mickey Joseph and Tom Haase, means that Osborne was successful in achieving
his goal in the Oklahoma State game.  By *anybody's* standards, Keithen's 17 
completions was a success.  In fact, The 89.5 percent completion rate ranks
as the third-best ever by a Husker QB.  

Also continuing his string of successes was I-back Derek Brown, who ran for 
143 yards in 18 carries, giving him five straight 100 yard games this season.  
(The Husker record is 11 straight 100-yard games, by Mike Rozier.) In fact, 
two of Brown's carries gave him a 100 yard day all by themselves, runs of 61 
and 40 yards.  Brown's 134.8 yard per-game average ranks 7th in the nation.

Scoring and Stats:

Nebraska         14   7   7  21 -- 49
Oklahoma State    0   3   5   7 -- 15

NU - Hughes 34 yard pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
NU - Brown 61 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU - Brown 1 yard run (Bennet kick)
OSU- Myers 33 yard field goal
NU - Mitchell 8 yard pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
OSU- Saftey, McCant tackled in end zone
OSU- Myers 37 yard field goal
NU - Brown 40 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU - Muhammad 31 yard pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
NU - Joseph 11 yard run (Bennett kick)
OSU- Denson 14 yard run (Myers kick)
Attendance 30,150
                            NU         OSU
First downs                 21          20
Rushes-yards            40-273      37-100
Passing yards              231         254
Total yards                504         354
Return yards                46          25
Passing                17-23-1     18-44-3
Punts                   4-47.3      7-34.4
Fumbles-lost               1-1         2-1
Penalties-yards           4-48        8-63
Time of possession       25:10       34:50
Third-down conversions    5-10        4-16
Fourth-down conversions    0-1         1-2

Individual stats:
Rushing:  D. Brown 18-143, McCant 10-48, Jones 5-45, Lewis 2-15, Joseph 2-13,
          Turner 1-6, Achola 1-6, Hawins 1- -3.
Passing:  McCant 17-19-1-231, Joseph 0-2-0-0, Haase 0-2-0-0.
Receiving: Mughes 5-77, Mitchell 4-47, Bostick 2-39, Muhammad 2-38, Turner 4-30.
Punting:  Stiggee 4-180
Punt returns: Turner 1-4, Hughes 1-6.
Kickoff returns: Hughes 3-52, Turner 1-36.
Interception returns:  Beler 1-22, Byrd 1-14, Powell 1-0.

Early injury reports:  Reserve outside LB David Leader suffered a broken hand,
I-back Derek Brown had a slight charley horse.
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    The 'good, enthusiastic' Buffs decided to show up Saturday and the
    result was a 55-7 whipping of Mizzou.  Total domination by CU with 656
    yards of total offense and 37 first downs - and reserves were in before
    halftime.  If CU plays this well they will definitely have a chance of
    winning next week in Norman.  But if they play like the team that showed 
    up at Stanford forget it.
    
    Oklahoma somehow managed to lose to Texas for the third straight year
    and all but ruin their chance at a national title.  I admit I was
    actually pulling for the Sooners to run the table for the regular
    season and play the undefeated winner of the Miami-FSU game for all the
    marbles.  But noooo, go ahead and choke OU and invite ND right back
    into the national title picture.  
    
    The Sooners were trying to become a good passing team this year but only 
    managed 69 yards through the air Saturday. 
    
    
    Big Eight standings:
    
                       Conf.    All
    Kansas State        1-0     4-1
    Nebraska            1-0     4-1
    Oklahoma            1-0     4-1
    Colorado            1-0     3-2
    Kansas              0-1     3-2
    Missouri            0-1     2-2-1
    Iowa State          0-1     2-3
    Oklahoma State      0-1     0-5
    
    
    Joe

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Husker Notes, Oct 14th

Former Husker Steve Taylor completed 18 of 25 passes for 356 yards and 3 TD's
as the Calgary Stampeders defeated the Ottowa Rough Righders 44-24 in the CFL.

Rich King, former NU Center and first-round draft choice of the Seattle Kings,
scored four points in his NBA debut during an 87-84 exhibition game win over
Miami.  King is expected to back up former Creighton center Benoit Benjamin
this season.

Broderick Thomas, Mike Croel, Travis Hill,... Ryan Terwilliger??  The Grant
football player hopes to be the next great outside linebacker at NU.  The
6-5, 210 lb senior gave a verbal committment to Nebraska last week.  A
versatile athlete, Ryan averaged 13 points a game last year in basketball
and qualified for both the long jump and the triple jump at the state track
meet.  He says he plans to concentrate on just football at NU.

Verbal committments have also been received from T.J Scribner of Omaha
Brownell-Talbot and Eric Stokes of Lincoln East.  

Not NU, but interesting:  Humboldt's Teri James scored the first points by
a girl in a Nebraska high school football game Friday night as the Cardinals
defeated Pawnee City 48-0.  The 5-4, 125 lb junior scored the final touchdown
on a 5-yard pass with 1:37 left in the class D-1 eight-man game, which then 
ended because of the 45 point rule. 

The Huskers continue to lead the nation in rushing, with a 361.4 yard average.
They are also 2nd in net punting (42.9 yards/kick), tied for 2nd in turnover
margin (plus 2.6 per game), third in total offense (522.2 yards/game), and
fifth in scoring offense (43.6 points/game).  Kenny Wilhite is tied for
eighth in interceptions (0.75/game).  

Wilhite is considered probable for the Kansas State game, after sitting out
the OSU game with an ankle injury.  OLB David Leader will try to play with
his broken hand in a cast.  I-back Scott Baldwin will probably see limited
action in the KSU game.

The Nebraska Women's golf team shot a 332 Sunday at Iowa City for a three-round
total of 975 and a third place finish in the Hawkeye Invitational.

The NU Men's basketball team opens practice on Tuesday.  Newcomers will have
to play a big role this year, because the majority of last year's team is
gone.  Jamar Johnson, a Prop 48 sophomore, is now academically eligible and
eager to get back to basketball.  (He couldn't even practice last season.)
Juco transfer Derrick Chandler, a 6-10 center, is ready to test out his
shoulder, which was operated on in mid-September. 
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 15-OCT-1991 10:17:57.18
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Husker Notes, Oct 15th--Basketball Edition

At 8:30 am on Monday, Oct. 14th, 150 floor-level season tickets to the 
University of Nebraska-Lincoln men's basketball games went on sale.  They were 
gone by 8:40.  Enthusiasm remaining from last year's 26-8 season (the most
wins ever by NU) and their short-lived 2nd appearance in the NCAA tournament 
has boosted season ticket sales to 10,050, up 12.9 % from 1990-91.  At this
point, the only remaining season tickets are for the upper level seats at
the Bob Devaney Sports Complex arena.

Last year's team set a new attendance record of 13,307 per game.  This year's 
team seems destined to break the record.

According to coach Danny Nee, "The goal now for Nebraska basketball is to try
to win a Big Eight championship."  The Huskers' last outright championship
was in 1916, the last time the claimed a share of it was in 1950.  The
Huskers fell one game short last year.

Nee has a lot of rebuilding to do to replace Rich King, NU's first-ever
1st round NBA draft choice, along with Clifford Scales and Tony Farmer, both
of whom signed free-agent NBA contracts, and Beau Reid.  Returning players
likely to have major roles include Carl Hayes, who started 28 games last
year and averaged 13.5 points and 5.3 rebounds per game, and Eric Piatkowski,
who averaged 10.9 points and 3.7 rebounds last season and starred on the
gold medal North team at the U. S. Olympic Festival this summer.

Newcomers include Derrick Chandler and Michael Hughes.

Whatever happens, it's likely to be a lot more public this year, because
the Huskers are scheduled to be on TV 15 times this season, three times on ESPN,
five on Prime Sports, and seven on the Big Eight Conference's Raycom package.

University of Nebraska-Lincoln Men's Basketball Roster

Player                  Pos   Ht   Yr  Home town
Dapries Owens            F   6-8   Sr  Mansfield, Ohio
Jamar Johnson            G  5-11   So  Elkhart, Ind.  (Prop 48 last season)
J.F. Holman              G   6-1   Jr  Holbrook, Neb. (Originally a walk-on)
Carl Hayes               F   6-8   Sr  Chicago, Ill.
Michael Hughes         G-F   6-7   Jr  Peoria, Ill.  
Chris Cresswell          G   6-4   Sr  Merced, Cal.
Jason Glock              G   6-4   Fr  Wahoo, Neb.
Derrick Chandler         C   6-9   Jr  Mitchelville, Md.
Terrance Badgett         F   6-6   Fr  Omaha, Neb.
Eric Piatkowski          F   6-6   So  Rapid City, SD
Bruce Chubick            F   6-7   So  Atkinson, Neb.

Head Coach:  Danny Nee (6th year 87-72)
Assistants:  Gary Bargen, Lynn Mitchem, Jeff Smith.
Grad. Assistant:  David Lutz

Walk-ons who will be practicing with the team include 5-10 freshman Matt Mar,
from Lincoln Northeast, and 6-4 sophomore Jason Peterson, from Oakland-Craig,
who is also on the NU golf team.
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BIG EIGHT STATS
 
Individual Statistics
 
RUSHING
Player		Car	yds	avg	yds/g
Brown,NU	102	674	6.6	134.8
Sands,KU	105	589	5.6	117.8
Gallon,KSU	90	440	4.9	88.0
Gaddis,OU	73	358	4.9	71.6
Williams,OU	36	217	6.0	54.2
Jones,NU	39	270	6.9	54.0
McCant,NU	57	270	4.7	54.0
Warren,CU	35	266	7.6	53.2
Robben,KU	70	248	3.5	49.6
Brewer,OU	40	245	6.1	49.0
Kahl,CU		54	239	4.4	47.8
Patterson,ISU	41	210	5.1	42.0
Hagan,CU	52	204	3.9	40.8
 
PASSING EFFICIENCY
Player		att	comp	yds	td	rat pts
Hagan,CU	79	45	673	7	152.7
McCant,NU	82	48	641	7	137.7
Gundy,OU	95	51	734	6	131.0
Watson,KSU	116	73	971	2	130.3
Johnson,MU	158	89	1043	7	117.5
Pederson,ISU	87	46	598	2	111.3
Hilleary,KU	106	54	645	3	107.6
 
TOTAL OFFENSE
Player		yds	ave	yds/g
Johnson,MU	1087	5.6	217.4
Watson,KSU	963	6.4	192.6
McCant,NU	911	6.5	182.2
Hagan,CU	877	6.6	175.4
Hilleary,KU	814	5.4	162.8
Pederson,ISU	790	5.2	158.0
Gundy,OU	705	5.5	141.0
Brown,NU	674	6.6	134.8
Ford,OSU	615	4.9	123.0
Sands,KU	589	5.6	117.8
Gallon,KSU	440	4.8	88.0
 
RECEIVING
Player		gam	ct	yds	ct/g
Chamberlain,MU  4	25	314	6.2
Smith,KSU	5	28	415	5.6
Kayhill,MU	5	26	236	5.2
Milliner,OSU	5	23	303	4.6
Kirksey,OSU	5	16	235	3.2
Warren,OU	5	15	231	3.0
Drayton,KU	5	15	219	3.0
Leach,MU	5	15	126	3.0
 
Team Statistics
 
RUSHING OFFENSE
team	car	yds	yds/g
NU	269	1807	361.4
CU	264	1355	271.0
KU	292	1289	257.8
OU	277	1205	241.0
KSU	207	787	157.4
ISU	210	785	157.0
OSU	187	494	98.8
MU	174	462	92.4
 
PASSING OFFENSE
team	att	comp	yds	yds/g
MU	177	100	1163	232.6
KSU	145	84	1105	221.0
CU	100	56	823	164.6
NU	109	59	804	160.8
OSU	139	64	802	160.4
ISU	117	62	784	156.8
KU	121	62	769	153.8
OU	100	52	742	148.4
 
TOTAL OFFENSE
team	plays	yds	yds/g
NU	378	2611	522.2
CU	364	2178	435.6
KU	413	2058	411.6
OU	377	1947	389.4
KSU	352	1892	378.4
MU	351	1625	325.0
ISU	327	1569	313.8
OSU	326	1296	259.2
 
RUSHING DEFENSE
team	car	yds	yds/g
OU	148	306	61.2
KU	172	543	108.6
NU	191	701	140.2
CU	202	736	147.2
KSU	209	802	160.4
ISU	232	923	184.6
OSU	201	943	188.6
MU	247	1491	298.2
 
PASSING DEFENSE
team	att	comp	yds	td	pts
OU	192	93	1063	4	85.15
KU	165	89	881	4	100.73
CU	155	79	1039	2	105.08
MU	166	78	1145	5	107.64
NU	167	89	1249	6	113.60
KSU	123	64	944	7	122.27
ISU	109	59	796	7	125.66
OSU	157	105	1219	7	135.35
 
TOTAL DEFENSE
team	plays	yds	yds/g
OU	340	1369	273.8
KU	337	1424	284.8
ISU	341	1719	343.8
KSU	332	1746	349.2
CU	357	1775	355.0
NU	358	1950	390.0
OSU	358	2162	432.4
MU	413	2636	527.2
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OK, I'm gonna do it. I'll be the first to stick my neck out. The CU fans
seem to be very carefull about saying much about This Saturdays game. I
can understand why.

I pick Oklahoma by more than 7 and less than 14.

YOU heard it here FIRST !!!


Nebraska Marty

  OK, Marty, here's how a CU fan see's the game in Norman.

  I read in the paper today that OU has had the easiest schedule of any
  Big 8 team. Even with the cupcake schedule, their wins haven't been that
  impressive. And they lost to an average Texas team.

  CU's freshman and sophmore dominated team has loads of talent but their
  inexperience has shown in their tough games. McCartney claims the offensive
  line is playing much better than early in the season. They will certainly
  be tested against a statistically good OU defense. Hagan has been passing the
  ball better than he ever has before. True freshman, Lamont Warren, is a real
  running threat and CU has many speedy but inexperienced receivers. The CU 
  defense is tough against the pass but was pushed around by the Standford 
  running game. 

  The key for CU will be to contain the OU running game and to play with 
  confidence on offense. I don't think OU is as good as everybody thinks they 
  are but it's still very tough to win in Norman. I'll go out on a limb,
  be optimistic and pick CU to win by 10 with either Hagan or Chris Hudson 
  returning a punt for a TD. I'll guess a final score of 24-14.

  As far as the Big 8 in general goes, I think Nebraska is the team to beat.
  This year's tougher schedule is helping them to identify team weaknesses and
  make the improvements before the big CU and OU games. Next year, CU should be
  the team to beat since they are loaded with young talent.

  We'll see on Saturday, how bad I blew it with my CU-OU prediction.

				Keith

re: -1

Keith, I'll agree about CU being a young team and the fact that they should
be better next year. I want to add 1 thing to what you are saying. Most
people either don't realize or have forgotten that this years NU sqaud is
also a "young" team. Generally not as young possibly as CU but "young"
for a Nebraska squad. NU should be better next year also.

I agree about OU. As Nebraska last year they are kind of an unknown entity
thus far this year. The thing that you have to remember about the OU/Texas
game is that sometimes actual talent and team records becomes null in a game
between 2 rivals which practically hate each other. The OU/Texas rivalry is a
bitter one. So because of this I'm not really sure we have seen the real OU
yet this year, whatever level that is.

Be it known that my kiss of death prediction a few notes back was based on
these weak points:

	1. Game at Norman

	2. Mental edge to OU for 2 reasons:

		Coming of tough and possibly undeserved (In OU's own
		perception) loss last week to a hated rival. In short,
		OU may feel they have something to prove.

	3. As a Husker fan I'd rather loose to OU than CU.   ;^)

I realize that is very shaky ground for a prediction. Thay's why I said
I am "sticking my neck out."

One note about CU and the blaming of youth on their problems thus far in '91.
Yes, the youth thing has hurt them, but if CU is going to be a powerhouse
year in and year out such as the OU's and NU's of the world, then this sort
of thing has to be overcome. They must come to the point where they are
"reloading" rather than "rebuilding." I thing CU is in a rebuilding mode
currently.

One reason I think this: Some quotes from the CU defensive players
after the Stanford game. "In the second half we knew exactly what they
were gonna do, but we couldent stop them. They basicly only ran 2 plays
the whole half and we knew it was coming but couldent do anything about
it."

This is in reference to Stanfords pounding the ball at CU up the middle.
Now, yes, Stanford has the largest O-line in football (yes, pro's also)
and I'm sure this had an effect. But Stanford has far from the BEST O-line
in college football and they were able to have their way with CU's D in
the second half. I think this indicates a drop off in talent. This years
Stanford line would NOT have been able to do that vs LAST years CU D. No
matter how young and inexperienced you are, if you KNOW what's coming then
your inexperience is null and void.

I just don't think CU has anywhere near the talent they had last year. That
dosent mean they can't win Saturday or against Nebraska. One thing is for
sure, CU will be a better team by the time they do play the Huskers. The
comforting factor for me is that the Huskers are getting better also. Even
though NU is vulnerable to the pass, I firmly believe that a late season
game with Washington would be a better contest than we saw a few weeks back.

Well, I'm rambling now. The '91 Big-8 war begins with a battle this Saturday.
Time will tell,

Bugeater Marty    ;^)

  Marty, The way I see it, there were 3 reason's why CU couldn't stop the
  run against Stanford:
	1. The Offense played poorly. Because they went 3 downs and out
	   too many times, the defense was on the way field way too much. They
	   actually stopped the run fairly well for the 1st 3 quarters. After a 
	   while, those 300+ pound linemen, wore down the CU defense. For the
	   most part, the defense is experienced, it's the offense that has
	   most of the freshman and sophmores.
	2. One of CU's starting inside linebackers (I belive his last name
	   is Fischer)trashed his knee in the 1st game of the year and he's
	   out for the year if not forever. His replacement also experienced 
	   a serious injury and won't play again this year. Thus, CU has to 
	   start a 3rd string true freshman, John Knutson, at inside linebacker. 
	   His play has been less than spectacular. So, injuries have 
	   definately hurt the run defense.
	3. Ya got to give some credit to the Stanford team. The announcer
	   said that both of Stanford's running backs may go in the first
	   round of the NFL draft and one of them is a Heisman candidate.

  Ugg, now I'm a little less optimistic about CU's chances this week because
  OU put's a lot of emphasis on running a big Fullback right up the middle.

  Thus, CU must mount some long drives on offense to keep the OU offense
  off the field and keep CU's defense fresh. I think the offense has made
  a lot of progress lately but they haven't played good against a quality team 
  yet. I hope they let Hagan pass right from the start since he's been very
  accurate lately. And it would certainly help if they got some big plays
  from special teams. I'll stick with my optimistic 10 point CU prediction 
  but I admit it looks shakey.

				Keith

> I'm not really sure we have seen the real OU
> yet this year, whatever level that is.

    Yea, but I'm not sure we're gonna see the real OU this year.  I
    expected OU to be much better than they've shown thus far.

>	1. Game at Norman
    
    Definitely a huge factor.

>	2. Mental edge to OU for 2 reasons:
>
>		Coming of tough and possibly undeserved (In OU's own
>		perception) loss last week to a hated rival. In short,
>		OU may feel they have something to prove.

    Good point.  Not only does OU have more seasoned talent then CU at this
    point, but the Sooners should be fired up.  Plus, they realize they can
    still win the Big 8 outright, go 10-1 and finish top 5 with an OB win.
    
>	3. As a Husker fan I'd rather loose to OU than CU.   ;^)

    Verrrrry interesting.  Here we have an OU-NU hatred that ranks right up
    there with Auburn-Bama, USC-UCLA, Clemson-South Carolina, Michigan-Ohio
    State, etc. But an upstart team that didn't reach national
    prominence until 2 years ago and was a perrenial league doormat
    throughout the early 80's suddenly is an NU fan's most hated rival. 
    Just what McCartney envisioned when he took over the CU program in
    1981.  
    
> I just don't think CU has anywhere near the talent they had last year. 

    There's no doubt about this one.  We're talking about a team that had 9
    or 10 guys drafted last April, 4 of which were in the first 2 rounds. 
    That's a lot of talent.
    
    Now for this week's game.  Before the season or up until last weekend I
    was going with OU.  OU wasn't that impressive early on but I thought
    they would come around.  However, the loss to Texas proved to me that
    OU really must not be that great.  Anyway, I'm going with the Buffs in
    a real close one - I'll say by a TD or less.  One's thing for sure: the
    CU team that showed up at Stanford better not be anywhere near Norman
    tomorrow, but in a big game like this Mac will have 'em ready.  
    
    
    Joe

Hmmm, this stuff is familiar. Crow pie, Crow stew, Crow vegitable cassarole,
Crow juice.

CU played a good game and desrved to win. This is setting up another classic
in 2 weeks.

OU just dosent look anything like everyone thought they would. Unless OU
improves they are gonna take 3rd in the Big-8.

OK, I'm saying it NOW. I absalutely, positively, WILL NOT MAKE ANY HUSKER/CU
PREDICTIONS. NO WAY. I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE GAME BEFOREHAND - PERIOD !!!
I will only post the Husker updates that I recieve in the mail. You all know
where I stand anyway. I'm just not gonna talk. You heard it here FIRST !!!
I'll only say that it could be a great game.

Now, Huskers vs KSU. I heard the 4th quarter score with NU down 7 and I
couldent hardly believe it. Soooooo, I quickly turned on the radio to the
Nebraska Football Network (Thank you Coloradans for Nebraska and AM 1060
out of Longmont, CO). Yes it was true, 7 min to go and KSU up 7 and attempting
a 32 yard field goal. I barely missed. Yesssssss !!! From this point on it
was the Huskers FINALLY showing some character. 2 long drives (65 yard'ish)
for TD's moving it both in the air and on the ground. Winning TK scored with
about 2:47 left. KSU moves the ball in the air to the NU 7. They can't get it
in. 3 incompletes in a row. Game over, Huskers avert the upset of the century.

Actually it wouldent have been the upset of the century. KSU is greatly 
improved and they executed their game plan:

	Exploit NU's weakness - pass like crazy with no interceptions
	
	Keep NU's offense off the field. Time of possesion very lopsided
	in favor of KSU.

It almost worked. Give KSU credit. I do however think that this game helped
Nebraska. It showed them that they CAN come back. They can win when the chips
are down. They can come thru in the clutch. I'm also sure that the Huskers
will continue to work on the secondary. They have to get better. Maybee it's
defensive coordinator Charlie McBride that should be run out of town and
tar's & feathered, and not Osborne?

Anyway, I'm just glad the good guys in the white hats won.

Nebraska (whoa boy) Marty

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Husker Notes, Oct 21st

Lingering controversy from the NU-K State game:
Tom Osborne said on his Sunday night TV show that he thought the play where
FB Lance Lewis was stripped of the ball by C. J. Masters, who then romped
40 yards for a go-ahead touchdown in the 3rd quarter Saturday, was 'too close
to call' on the film.  At the time it happened, Osborne ran 10 yards onto
the field to 'consult' with the officials.  The radio announcers speculated
that the Huskers may have thought the play had been blown dead.

Also, Kansas State's 32 yard 4th quarter field goal attempt (which would have 
given them a 10 point lead) was pretty close.  Several K. State players 
contended it was good, but the referee disagreed.

ESPN will carry the Nebraska-Colorado game on Nov 2nd.  The kickoff time has
been changed to 6:30 pm CST.  The Nov 29th Oklahoma-NU game is being televised
by ABC.

Despite a hard-fought game, there were apparently no serious injuries in the
K State game.  2nd string right defensive tackle Brian Brown and reserve
center Terris Chorney both have had knee problems since last spring and had
arthroscopic knee surgery on Saturday.  Brown will be out until at least the
Oklahoma game, Chorney is done for the year, said trainer George Sullivan.

Kenny Wilhite saw more action than originally planned on Saturday, even though
his shoulder is still bothering him.  He was instrumental in breaking up a
pass into the end zone on Kansas State's final drive in the game.

Osborne had been avoiding calling the triple option play with Keithen McCant,
since it requires the quarterback to make two reads instead of just one.
Instead, a 'double option' with a predetermined fake to the fullback has
been used.  Saturday, though, a triple option with FB Lance Lewis getting
the ball resulted in an important 25 yard gain to the K State 1 on the
Husker's final scoring drive.  Keithen also scored a first-quarter TD on an
option play.

Fran ten Bensel's 2nd place finish helped the Nebraska women to a 4th place
fininsh in the Mini National Cross Country Meet on Saturday in State College,
PA.  Nebraska is currently ranked 21st.
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  Huge win for the Buffaloes at Norman(34-17). The highlights were 2 99 yard TD
  drives. The first came just after the Sooner's scored the first TD and
  were threatening to blow the game open. The second came in the 3rd quarter
  when OU was trying to come back from a 10 point deficit. Before this game,
  Oklahoma had the nation's 2nd and the Big 8's 1st rated defense. Hagan had 
  a terrific day passing and running. All talk of Cale Gundy being the best 
  QB in the Big 8 was put to rest. 

  I don't think Gibbs will be the OU coach next year. There's a lot of pressure
  to get a new coach in Norman. However, I don't think it will matter much
  who they get for a coach. This year's team is senior dominated. The talent
  for the sophmore and junior player's were hurt badly by probation. It's
  going to be tough for OU to become a national power again.

  Marty, what happened in Lincoln ? Kansas State almost beat the Husker's
  in Lincoln on Homecoming weekend. Is Kansas State really that good ?
  You have to give a lot of credit to Kansas State for turning around the
  worst football team in the Big 8 into a legitimate threat. CU has to play
  them at Kanasa State next weekend. They'll probably be fired up after
  their near win at Lincoln. I hope CU doesn't take them too lightly.

  Kansas has also been a big surprise this year. They clobbered Okla State
  by 41-0.

  In 2 weeks, the Husker's will visit Folsom prison and tangle with the Buffs.

					Keith

re: -1  Marty, what happened in Lincoln?

Keith, see note 18.277.

Nebraska Marty 

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Nebraska 38, Kansas State 31

Journal-Star columnist Mike Babcock referred to it as 'the largest crowd
ever to watch the end of a Nebraska-Kansas State football game'.  This
may well have been true, because the last time Kansas State won at Nebraska
in 1968 (which was also Homecoming), Memorial Stadium seated fewer people
because the pressbox had not yet been built.  The last time Kansas State
came within 10 points of Nebraska was in 1979.  The odds-makers didn't take
K State's 4-1 record seriously either, installing them as 30+ point underdogs.

Kansas State's 31 points was their best-ever against Nebraska, but after
Kansas State's kicker missed a 32 yare field goal attempt which would have
given them a 10 point lead, the relieved Husker fans got to see Nebraska score 
twice in the last seven minutes in a come-from-behind win, the likes of which 
have been few and far between for the Huskers lately.  

The go-ahead score came with just 2:47 left in the game, at which point the 
Blackshirt defense had to hold on to the finish, something they had been 
notably unsuccessful at doing all day long, especially on third down 
conversions.

With less than a minute to play, Kansas State had driven to the Nebraska 7
and had second down and six yards to go.  Three passes fell incomplete to 
finish the game.

Derek Brown, who reinjured a thigh injury, sat out a large portion of the
game, but returned for the final two drives, rushing for 145 yards and three
touchdowns overall.  Keithen McCant also had 100 yards rushing.

Scoring and statistics:

Kansas State        7  10  14   0  -  31
Nebraska           14   3   7  14  -  38

KSU - M. Smith 7 yd pass from Watson (Wright kick)
NU  - D. Brown 1 yd run (Bennett kick)
NU  - McCant 32 yd run (Bennett kick)
KSU - Wright 26 yd FG
KSU - Smith 11 yd pass from Watson (Wright kick)
NU  - Bennett 33 yd FG
KSU - Masters 40 yd fumble return (Wright kick)
NU  - Mitchell 4 yd pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
KSU - Watson 3 yd run (Wright kick)
NU  - D. Brown 3 yd run (Bennett kick)
NU  - D. Brown 1 yd run (Bennett kick)

                        KSU              NU
First downs              26              22
Rushes-yards         34-112          55-363
Passing yards           340             107
Total yards             452             470
Return yards             91              21
Passing             26-46-0          8-13-1
Punts                6-42.1          5-39.4
Fumbles-lost            1-0             1-1
Penalties-yards        6-45            6-52
Time of possession    33:33           26:27
3rd-down conversions   8-17             2-9
4th-down conversions    0-1             1-1
(Attendance figure not given)

Individual stats:

Rushing
NU - D. Brown 28-145, McCant 13-100, Lewis 6-79, C. Jones 6-46, Turner 2- -7
KS - Gallon 13-47, Coleman 1-23, Watson 16-19, Madden 3-12, Smith 1-11

Passing, NU--McCant 8-13-1, 107 yards
         KS--Watson 26-46-0, 340 yards

Receiving
NU - Bostick 3-46, Mitchell 2-45, Hughes 1-9, D. Brown 2-7
KS - Smith 10-172, Gallon 6-82, Campbell 3-34, Hernandez 4-30, Benton 2-13,
     Coleman 1-9

Punting, NU--Stigge 5-179 (39.4 average)  
         KS--Snyder 6-253 (42.1 average)

Punt returns
NU - Hughes 1-18, Dixon 1-3
KS - Smith 4-49

Kickoff returns
NU - Hughes 3-79, Turner 1-14, Mitchell 1-6
KS - Coleman 3-35, Madded 1- -1, Benton 1-20

Fumble returns, KS - Masters 1-40
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  > I don't think Gibbs will be the OU coach next year. There's a lot of pressure
  > to get a new coach in Norman. However, I don't think it will matter much
  > who they get for a coach. This year's team is senior dominated. The talent
  > for the sophmore and junior player's were hurt badly by probation. It's
  > going to be tough for OU to become a national power again.
    
    From everything I've read this year and what I saw personally last year, 
    Gibbs' game coaching abilities are absolutely atrocious.  OU hasn't
    been televised up here in the Northeast yet (CBS losing football and 
    ABC's regional telecast format really stinks), but it sounded like the
    Texas game was lost in large part because Gibbs chose to sit on the
    ball with a slim lead when it became clear the Longhorns were unable 
    to do anything on offense.  Say what you will about our dear departed 
    friend Barry Switzer, but he was *not* conservative.  He'd have that 
    ball flying around in the backfield for anyone to take it, but at least 
    he'd usually properly utilize OU's talents and strengths.
    
    Right now, until further notice or Gibbs' dismissal, I have zero 
    confidence in the Sooners in any kind of a big game.  A win versus 
    Nebraska would partially salvage the season (though it probably 
    wouldn't win the Big Eight as it would depend on a Colorado loss to 
    the Huskers and no other upsets the rest of the way), but I don't 
    see that happening.  This program is down mentally, way down, under 
    Gibbs.
    
    As for becoming a national power again, unless the university decides
    that they want to de-emphasize athletics (ha!), I think the Sooners 
    will be back, although it might take awhile.  They've still got many 
    of their contacts in place in Texas, and the competition from the 
    Texas college football programs right now is also at its nadir.  
    You've got to understand that unlike Colorado, and much like Nebraska, 
    Oklahoma football is much of the lives of the state's residents.  It
    grew out of their desire to remove the stigma of the state's Dust Bowl 
    years, and it's ingrained at this point.  This kind of thing has 
    happened in OU's past and it'll probably happen again.  The team of the 
    50s disappeared and hit rock bottom in the 60s (after something like 
    three separate probations), but they were back again strong as the 
    team of the 70s.  As much as I'd like to say it isn't so, you've still 
    got these fat-cat oil-rich Okie alums running around with nothing 
    better to do than mess around in the lives of some kids.  The program's 
    still packing the fans in and has the money and the backers to run a 
    top-flight operation, and as much as the NCAA may have made efforts to 
    change things and balance out the competition, those aspects are still 
    very much a reality in major-college athletics.
    
    glenn
    

  What happens if Nebraska beats CU, OU beats Nebraska and all three win
  the rest of their Big 8 games. Each would have a Big 8 record of 6-1-0.

  In the above case, who goes to the Orange bowl and what is the determining 
  factor ?

				Keith

    
>  What happens if Nebraska beats CU, OU beats Nebraska and all three win
>  the rest of their Big 8 games. Each would have a Big 8 record of 6-1-0.
   
    This is the (unlikely) scenario I was referring to and I assumed
    that OU would be the team to go based on either or both of two 
    reasons: 1) with only two losses and the win in hand over Nebraska
    they'd probably be the highest ranked of the three teams, thanks to 
    a creampuff schedule, and 2) they're the team that's been away
    from the Orange the longest.
    
    glenn
    

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Husker Notes, Oct 22nd

Although local reaction to the closeness of the Nebraska-Kansas State game
seems pretty subdued, national audiences heard disparaging comments from
analyst Beano Cook, who said that the 31 points K-State scored represents
'the start of the downfall' of Nebraska's season.  Sports Illustrated has
also called the NU Sports Information Office, apparently in regards to a 
story on how underdog Kansas State could play Nebraska so close.
(At least Osborne's job seems secure.  A reporter asked Oklahoma AD
Donnie Duncan if it is time to issue a 'vote of confidence' in Sooner
coach Gary Gibbs, following OU's loss to Colorado.)

Two starters missed practice Monday, LG Erik Weigert has a jammed neck, LG
Pat Engelbert has a sore ankle.  TE William Washington's hamstring is still
slowing him, but he did practice, as did I-back Derek Brown (bruised thigh),
SS Steve Carmer (jammed finger) and QB Mickey Joseph (knee).

K-State saftey C. J. Masters, who stripped NU FB Lance Lewis of the ball
and ran 40 yards for a TD Saturday, was named Big Eight Defensive Player
of the Week.  He also intercepted a pass, setting up another TD.

The Freedom Bowl was interested in Kansas prior to their upset loss to K-State.
Kansas is leading the conference in total defense and 6th nationally, but
may need a win against Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Colorado to lock up a bowl bid.

NU is 14th in the New York Times Computer Ratings this week.  Washington
remains #1, Colorado is 11th, Kansas State 25th.

Missouri showed a no-huddle offense against Oklahoma State for the first
time this season, which will keep the lights burning late in the NU
coaching offices this week.

The NU depth chart for this week reads as follows.  A dash indicates players
are sharing that spot in the list.  (From the World-Herald this week, so it
updates the specialists list.)

Split End: John Bostick, Tyrone Hughes, Dan Pleasant-Corey Dixon
Left Tackle: Lance Lundberg, Rob Zatechka
Left Guard: Erik Weigert, Chris Zyzda, Dave Jensen
Center: Bill Ziegelbein, Jim Scott
Right Guard: Will Shields, T.J. Slansky, Ken Mehlin  
Right Tackle: Brian Boerboom, Zach Weigert, Ray Reifenrath
Tight End: William Washington, Daryl Liese-Johnny Mitchell, Chris Garrett 
QB:  Keithen McCant, Mickey Joseph, Tom Haase
FB: Lance Lewis, Tim Johnk, Robert Glanz, Andre McDuffy  
IB: Derek Brown, Calvin Jones, George Achola, Scott Baldwin
WB: Nate Turner, Abdul Muhammad, Vincent Hawkins, Mark Dowse
Punter: Mike Stigge, Byron Bennett
Field Goals, extra points:  Byron Bennett, Tom Sieler
Kickoffs: Bennett, Seiler
Deep Snapper: Jason Baker, Bill Ziegelbein
Holder: Mike Stigge, Tom Haase
Punt Returns: Corey Dixon, Tyrone Hughes, Vernon Powell, Steve Carmer 
Kickoff Returns: Turner, Hughes, Dixon, Brown
Left Outside LB: Travis Hill, David Leader, Lance Gray
Left Tackle: Jamie Liewer, Kevin Ramaekers, Matt Hillman, Terry Connealy
Middle Guard: Pat Engelbert, David Noonan, Jerry Irons
Right Tackle: John Parella, Bruce Moore
Right Outide LB: David White, Trev Alberts, Donta Jones
Strongside LB: Mike Petko, Darren Williams, Troy Branch, Shane Geiken
Weakside LB: Mike Anderson, Ed Stewart, Paul Wightman, Doug Colman
Left CB: Curtis Cotton, Kenney Wilhite, Sedric Collins
Right CB: Tyrone Legette, Vernon Powell, Mike Heins
Strong Saftey: Steve Carmer, Ernie Beier, Troy Dumas
Free Saftey: Tyrone Byrd, John Reese, Lorenzo Brinkley

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    I was pleasantly surprised, not that CU won, but how convincingly they
    were able to do it in Norman.  CU has now won their last 3 road games
    against OU or NU by 17, 15, and 17 points.
    
>  The highlights were 2 99 yard TD
>  drives. The first came just after the Sooner's scored the first TD and
>  were threatening to blow the game open. The second came in the 3rd quarter
>  when OU was trying to come back from a 10 point deficit. 
 
    These were both keys, probably the first one moreso because it really
    quieted the crowd.  A couple other key factors were this: OU turned the
    ball over in their own territory twice and CU converted those TO's into
    14 points.  CU turned the ball over in their own territory twice but OU
    only turned those TO's into 3 points.  The were talking over in the Big
    10 file about the bad officiating in the IU-Michigan game, but the
    officiating in this game couldn't have been much better.  Maybe not
    alot of bad calls but the officials were always huddling and slowing
    the game down.  
    
> I don't think Gibbs will be the OU coach next year. 
 
    Agreed.  Even if he manages to still win 8 or 9 games, they have to see
    a trend here.
 
    Glenn W., I agree that ABC's regional telecasts are poor.  One of the
    biggest problems is they are trying to cover too many games and are
    spreading themselves too thin.  And if someone back East wants to see a
    Big 8 or PAC-10 game, or vice-versa, they're pretty much out of luck. 
    ESPN rarely has afternoon games anymore and NBC's coverage is
    practically negligible with only 6 games the whole year.  
    
    
    Joe

>   They were talking over in the Big 10 file about the bad officiating 
>   in the IU-Michigan game, but the officiating in this game couldn't have 
>   been much better.  

    They did miss two important calls. On the first TD drive by OU, you could 
    clearly see the ball pop out of the hands of an OU running back as he was
    being tackled. CU recovered in the pile up. The refs said that no fumble 
    occurred. But in all fairness, it looked like the refs view of the fumble 
    was blocked by some of the CU players running to make the tackle. An
    instant replay may have reversed the call but pleeez, we don't need
    instant replay in college football.

    The other blown call was on the double pass, Hagan to Westbrook to Hagan.
    There were offensive lineman illegally downfield. On the coach McCartney
    show, Mac even said the Buffs were lucky on that play. But all in all,
    the refs were always in control, the 2 calls evened out and for the most 
    part, it was a very well officiated game.

>    Glenn W., I agree that ABC's regional telecasts are poor.  One of the
>    biggest problems is they are trying to cover too many games and are
>    spreading themselves too thin.  

    Truer words were never spoken. I'll take a Denver channel 4 broadcast
    with Les Shapiro and Dave Logan any day over the horrible coverage by
    ABC.

				Keith

>    They did miss two important calls. On the first TD drive by OU, you could 
>    clearly see the ball pop out of the hands of an OU running back as he was
>    being tackled. CU recovered in the pile up. The refs said that no fumble 
>    occurred. But in all fairness, it looked like the refs view of the fumble 
>    was blocked by some of the CU players running to make the tackle. 
  
    Keith, I do remember a fumble by OU on that drive but it was recovered
    by OU.  The OU player fumbled and a CU guy fell on it, but he never got
    posession and bounced off the CU player's chest right back into the
    hands of the OU guy laying on the ground.  It was a weird play and did
    at first appear to be recovered by CU but was recovered by the Sooners.
    
    RE: KSU-NU
    As I kept hearing updates of the KSU-NU score throughout the afternoon
    I was salivating at the prospect of reading Marty's notes Monday
    morning after KSU had upset NU, in Lincoln no less.  But I'm actually
    glad that NU pulled it out so we will have a battle of the only
    undefeated teams in the conference in 2 weeks, assuming both avoid the
    upset this week of course.
    
    
    Joe

                     Conf.      All
    Nebraska          2-0       5-1
    Colorado          2-0       4-2
    Kansas            1-1       4-2
    Kansas St.        1-1       4-2
    Oklahoma          1-1       4-2
    Missouri          1-1       3-2-1
    Iowa St.          0-2       2-4
    Oklahoma St.      0-2       0-6
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Colorado (-18) at Kansas State
    Kansas (+15) at Oklahoma
    Missouri (-21.5) at Nebraska
    Oklahoma State (-7) at Iowa State 
    
    
    Joe

re: -1

I think Mizzou -21 to Nebraska is a very bad bet. Mizzou has decent passing
ability and we all know about the Huskers secondary.

Plus the fact that MU has traditionally given the Big Red of the North tuff
games most years. It's sort of a rivalry.

I look for this one to be close going into the 4th.

Nebraska Marty

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Husker Notes, Oct. 24th

Tom Osborne says it unusual to be six games into the season and not really 
sure how good his team is.  "Part of the problem is how you hit someone
on a given day.  Washington had two weeks to get ready for us and it showed.
Colorado had two weeks to get ready for Missouri and they ran a complete
option package at them and won easily.  We guessed that Oklahoma State
would blitz us and we guessed right."

Osborne added that he is pleased with the confidence and character of his
'91 squad.  And after a close game with Kansas State, Osborne says his
players have learned to avoid taking any opponent lightly.

Tight End William Washington is still being bothered by a hamstring injury,
and will probably miss the Missouri game.  Linebacker Matt Hillman has
a jammed neck.  FB Lance Lewis and I-back Derek Brown both missed practice
Tuesday and Wednesday with the flu.  FB Omar Soto, who broke a leg in the
3rd game of the season, is jogging and may return by the Iowa State game
on Nov 16th.  

The Huskers are 1st in rushing offense, 3rd in total offense, 4th in scoring
offense, but 34th in rushing defense, 55th in pass efficiency defense, and
57th in scoring defense.  Four of Nebraska's six opponents so far have had
their best game of the season against the Huskers, but two of the opposing
quarterbacks (CSU's Verdugo and ASU's Powers) had their worst games of
the season against Nebraska.

Negotiations with Wyoming and Weber State to fill the open date in the 1992
schedule have fallen through, leaving only an offer from Southwest
Louisiana to host the Huskers.  

The pre-season coaches poll has tabbed Kansas to win the Big Eight Women's
Basketball crown, followed by Colorado, Oklahoma State, and then Nebraska.
Karen Jennings, a junior forward for the Huskers, was named preseason
player-of-the-year.

The 1991 Big Eight conference Volleyball tournament will be in Omaha on
Nov 29-30th.  The Huskers took 1 hour 13 minutes on Tuesday to beat Kansas
State 15-3, 15-9, 15-7 before 2177 spectators.  This Saturday's match
against Colorado in Boulder will play a major role in determining the
conference title.  The Buffs are 6-1, the Huskers 7-0 in conference matches.

The Nebraska School Activities Association is considering sanctioning 
girls fast pitch softball as a high school sport.
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    Here's my predictions for this week:
	Colorado (-18) at Kansas State - K State is primarily a passing team.
	CU has done a good job of defensing the pass all year. K State
	has, at best, an average defense, while CU's balanced offense has 
	improved dramatically in the last few weeks. K State may be pumped up
	after their near win in Lincoln. With their improvement of the last
	2 years, they have much to be proud about. However, even with the home
	field advantage, K State will lose to CU 45-14. 

	Kansas (+15) at Oklahoma - Gibbs must win this one big to even have 
	a remote chance of keeping his job next year. He's got the home
	field advantage which should help but the morale on his team must
	be at an all time low after losing 2 in a row to teams they were
	favored to beat. The Sooners win but don't beat the point spread.
	Final score - 28-14

	Missouri (-21.5) at Nebraska - With K State passing for over 300 yards
	against Nebraska last week, everyone knows that Nebraska has a 
	weakness in it's secondary. Missouri is a good passing team but 
	just like K State it won't be able to stop the Husker's offense. 
	The Tiger's will score more points than most people expect but still 
	come up way short. Final score Huskers 42, Tigers 20.

	Oklahoma State (-7) at Iowa State - Will anybody show up for this 
	game ? What happened to these 2 teams this year. Iowa State had a 
	pretty good team last year when they beat Oklahoma and played CU 
	tough for 3 quarters. The Cowboys have always been known for their 
	great running backs and their upset capability. But this year, both 
	teams have reached new lows. Iowa State 24, Oklahoma State 7.

					Keith	

>	Kansas (+15) at Oklahoma - Gibbs must win this one big to even have 
>	a remote chance of keeping his job next year. 

    This is a game that Kansas needs to win if they want to live up to
    their preseason expectations of going to a bowl.  If KU can win this
    game and lose to only CU and NU they will go 7-4 with a win over the
    Sooners and probably end up in a minor bowl.  What it comes down to is
    KU needs to beat one of the 'big 3' in order to win 7 games and this
    may be their best chance to do so.
    
    As for Gibbs, he probably needs to beat OU or at least win his bowl
    games to have a good chance to stick.  But a loss to the Jayhawks could
    seal his fate.
    
>	Oklahoma State (-7) at Iowa State - Will anybody show up for this 
>	game ? What happened to these 2 teams this year. 

    ISU has had injury problems at quarterback.  If ISU doesn't win some
    games the rest of this season Walden may be gone.  OSU was supposed to be
    bad, but I thought they'd be doing a little better than they are right
    now.
    
    RE: CU at KSU
    I just don't think CU will have much trouble here, mainly for 3
    reasons:  CU's loss to Stanford woke 'em up; now that CU has beaten OU
    they know they have the inside track to the Orange Bowl and are
    focused; KSU will suffer a letdown after the near-miss at NU.
    
    
    Joe
    

    Preseason Big 8 basketball media poll:
    
    1. Oklahoma State
    2. Kansas
    3. Oklahoma
    4. Missouri
    5. Kansas State
    6. Nebraska
    7. Iowa State
    8. Colorado
    
    
    Joe

re: .   RE: CU at KSU

>    I just don't think CU will have much trouble here, mainly for 3
>    reasons:  CU's loss to Stanford woke 'em up; now that CU has beaten OU
>    they know they have the inside track to the Orange Bowl and are
>    focused; KSU will suffer a letdown after the near-miss at NU.
    
>    Joe
 
Excuse me Joe, but how can you say CU has the 

		"inside track to the Orange Bowl"

????????????????????????????

Is this your CU/NU prediction? Or are you saying that CU now has the edge
because they have already played OU and NU still has to play both OU and CU?

In both this notesfile and in the USENET I'm getting the impresion from many
CU fans that they feel their team has "arrived" now. This based on a blowout
of Mizzou, a strong win over Oklahoma, and the Husker/KSU game.

At this point in the season all I can say is:

			   * * C A R E F U L L * *

It's too early for that. Consider these factors:

	OU is unproven. They lost to a very average Texas team, then were
	overpowered by a CU team which STILL HASENT BEATEN ANYONE OF MERRIT
	YET.

	CU fans are saying that CU now gas a great passing game based on
	the OU game. Well I tell ya, OU is not a good defense against the
	pass. They never have been and still arent. You can't gauge your
	own passing game on results vs OU in the air.

	CU is still young. They havent shown any come from behind ability
	as last years vetern squad did. What if Nebraska has them down
	12 in the 4th quarter? Would this young team have the ability of
	last years team to come back? The Baylor and Stanford games say no.
	And remember 1 important factor about the Okie's game:

		OU is not a comeback team due to a bad passing game. In the
		1st quarter of the OU/CU game OU was inept. Fumbled punt,
		a very poorly thrown interception (and the play before that
		was thrown right into a CU mans hands and dropped) and CU
		is up quickly on a team which does not have good comeback
		ability. Stop and think for a moment if OU had not self-
		destructed in that 1st quarter? It would have been a totally
		different game.

	Mizzou. Remember that CU had at least as much mental motivation from
	the 5th down game as did Mizzou. That game dogged CU team last year
	as many accross the nation (no, not just in Nebraska) have stated
	that a team which needed a 5th down to bean MU should not be natl.
	champs. And, yes, it was not CU's fault it happend (although McArtney's
	arrogant, stubborn attitude did not help CU's cause one bit) so CU
	felt jepordized also. So given that MU did not have any mental edge
	over CU, I'd say that this was just a case of a better team beating
	a much worse team. Can't gauge anything by this game. Look at last
	year. CU eeks out a disputed win over MU. Nebraska totally buried MU
	BY something like 50 - 7 or so? Then CU beats NU in the Sea of Red.
	This brings us to the NU/KSU game...

	Don't gauge anything by this EXCEPT that Nebraska's secondary must
	get better and KSU is improved. This brings us back to last year again.
	The CU fans in here preached at me before the NU/CU game that NU was
	unproved. That NU's weaknesses had not been yet exposed because they
	haddent played anyone. It turned out to be true. This year it is not
	true for Nebraska. They have played a team that many feel is the best
	and everyone feels is one of the 3 best. This exposed NU's problems.
	Some of those problems came out against a pretty good ASU team and
	a decent KSU team. They managed to win 2 of those 3 AND find out what
	they need to work on also. Since it is generally conceded that NU 
	has improved itself this year over last year AND has played a decent
	schedule, AND has actually had a character building come from behind
	4th quarter win - I'D SAY THAT PROCLAIMING CU AS THE "INSIDE TRACK"
	TO THE ORANGE BOWL AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON IS PREMATURE AND
	POSSIBLE JUST PLAIN INACCURATE.

Time may change that statement. I don't know. As I said, I'm not making any
predictions, my point is that to assume CU has an edge over Nebraska at this
point is popycock. Many of the CU fans need to listen to what they told ME
last year.

Actually I hope that CU pounds KSU without mercy and Mizzou gives NU a close
(but not down to the wire) game Saturday. Build up the ego's and overconfidence
of the CU folks to high levels and set'em up for a potential big fall.

GO BIG RED !!!

Bugeater Marty

 
> Excuse me Joe, but how can you say CU has the 
>
>		"inside track to the Orange Bowl"
>
> ????????????????????????????
>Is this your CU/NU prediction? Or are you saying that CU now has the edge
> because they have already played OU and NU still has to play both OU and CU?

    No, it's not my NU-CU prediction, but I'll give it to you anyway - CU
    will beat Nebraska!  While we're at it, I think CU will win by at least
    10.  There, you've got.  
    
    Now of course CU has the inside track because they've already beaten OU
    and NU hasn't.  You even figured it out yourself.  OU may be down but
    they're still one of the top 3 teams in the conference.
    
>	OU is unproven. 

    As they were last year.  And the NU-OU result was.......?
    
>	CU team which STILL HASENT BEATEN ANYONE OF MERRIT
>	YET.

    As hasn't Nebraska.
    
>		OU is not a comeback team due to a bad passing game. In the
>		1st quarter of the OU/CU game OU was inept. Fumbled punt,
>		a very poorly thrown interception (and the play before that
>		was thrown right into a CU mans hands and dropped) and CU
>		is up quickly on a team which does not have good comeback
>		ability. Stop and think for a moment if OU had not self-
>		destructed in that 1st quarter? It would have been a totally
>		different game.

    FYI CU drove the ball 99 yards down OU's throat trailing 7-0 at a point
    when the crowd was still very much a part of the game.  This may have
    very well been the turning point of the game.  And as was mentioned in
    one of my previous notes, OU turned the ball over in their own
    territory twice and CU cme away with 14 points.  CU turned the ball
    over twice in their own territory and OU came away with 3 points.  CU
    took advantage of opportunities whereas OU didn't.  That's how you win
    games.
     
>	Mizzou. Remember that CU had at least as much mental motivation from
>	the 5th down game as did Mizzou. That game dogged CU team last year
>	as many accross the nation (no, not just in Nebraska) have stated
>	that a team which needed a 5th down to bean MU should not be natl.
>	champs. 

    Ah yes, of course we remember the 5th down against Missouri.  How can
    we forget?  But we also remember that it didn't take CU 5 downs to beat
    Nebraska.
    
>        AND has actually had a character building come from behind
>	4th quarter win - 

    Yea, against a much improved but still nowhere near top-20-level KSU
    team - at home.  Boy, that sure must've built their confidence.
    

    Joe
         

ALRIGHT !!! Things are starting to heat up for the NU/CU game.

As usual Joe, you and I are diametricaly opposed as regards NU/CU. This will
not change. You see it as you see it and I see it as I see it.

We may possibly both be missing the forest for the tree's. Time will tell.

IMHO you made some good points in your note but nothing to convice that
CU has the "inside track." I will admit that CU is improving as the weeks
go by. That does not supprise me.

As I stated in a previous note. I will not predict this one. NU's D will have
to rise to the occasion is about the only direct statement I'll make.

I'm in a class all next week so you won't be hearing much from me. I'll
probably still post the "Husker Updates" I get via mail from Lincoln.

GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED, GO BIG RED...

Nebraska Marty

  It sure wasn't pretty, but at least it was a win. In the first half, 
  K State was able to move the ball well until they got around the CU 20
  yard line. Then, the CU defense shut the door. CU scored a TD in the 1st
  half shortly after a botched K State snap deep in their territory. That was
  about the only offense CU showed in the first half although redshirt
  freshman, Michael Westbrook and freshman Lamont Warren showed signs of
  future stardom. Warren gained around 120 yards and had one terrific TD
  run called back on a holding penalty. I think Westbrook caught 9 passes and
  it looks like he's becoming Hagan's favorite receiver. Once he catches the
  ball, he's very tough to bring down, so he was used a lot in 3rd down
  situations. It didn't look like CU's offensive line did a good job. There
  never was a whole lot of running room and Hagan had a number of passes
  batted down. Early in the game, Hagan threw a perfect bomb to Charles
  Johnson but he dropped the pass.

  The 2nd half was just as boring as the 1st half. However, this time,
  CU shut down the K State offense completely. Leonard Renfro had 3 sacks
  which doubled his carrer total. CU was able to move the ball a little 
  better but never was able to dominate K State. K State has definately
  moved up from the worst team in the Big 8 to the 4th best team. They
  even have an outside shot of getting a bowl bid. Their coaching staff
  has done a terrific job.

  I think think CU will play with some more intensity this week against
  the Huskers.

  Did anybody else notice that Denver's channel 4 moved the CU game to
  UHF channel 20 (very poor reception for me) in order to play the 
  Notre Dame/USC game on Channel 4. This really pissed me off, that CU got
  pre-empted by Notre Dame. I wonder if this was a Channel 4 decision or
  if it was something shoved down their throat by NBC. I mean, this is
  Buffalo country, isn't it. I think I'll write them a letter. 

					Keith				 

  Marty, I'll admit that you're right about one thing. Things are starting to 
  heat up for the Buffalo-Husker war in Folsom prison. Joe made some good 
  points in his last reply but there are a few things I can't let go.

>	CU fans are saying that CU now gas a great passing game based on
>	the OU game. Well I tell ya, OU is not a good defense against the
>	pass. They never have been and still arent. You can't gauge your
>	own passing game on results vs OU in the air.

  Going into the CU game, statistically, I believe OU was rated #2 in the
  country and #1 in the Big 8 against the pass. Granted, they hadn't played
  anybody as good as CU but still had some great success against the pass
  including Texas. Also, the OU secondary is very experienced. Most of the 
  secondary started last year and most are seniors. I've got a tape of the 
  CU-OU game and I can gaurantee you that on all 3 Hagan TD passes, the 
  coverage was very tight. Hagan just threw a perfect pass each time. He also
  hit alternate receivers on many of his passes. Hagan is a money QB who 
  plays great in the big games. And now he has three quality receivers with
  Mark Henry, Michael Westbrook and Sean Brown. 

>	CU is still young. They havent shown any come from behind ability
>	as last years vetern squad did. What if Nebraska has them down
>	12 in the 4th quarter? Would this young team have the ability of
>	last years team to come back? 

  As Joe already pointed out, CU drove that ball 99 yards, not once, but 
  twice. Both drives came at critical times in a very hostile environment.
  If that isn't playing well under pressure, I don't know what is. I can't
  think of any other game that I've watched where a team had 2 99 yard
  drives in one game against a quality opponent.

  I'm not ready to give my detailed prediction for the CU-NU game yet other 
  than to say I think it will be a great game, maybe even better than the game
  2 years ago. 

					Keith

>  Michael Westbrook and freshman Lamont Warren showed signs of
>  future stardom. Warren gained around 120 yards and had one terrific TD
>  run called back on a holding penalty. I think Westbrook caught 9 passes and
>  it looks like he's becoming Hagan's favorite receiver. 

    I've also noticed Westbrook has been looking, and there's no doubt that
    Warren will be the starting tailback for CU for the next 3 years.  Did
    you notice that Kahl didn't play at all against KSU?  BTW, Westbrook
    has 7 catches for 91 yards.
    
>  It didn't look like CU's offensive line did a good job. 

    I caught some of the post-game on the radio and they were saying the
    same thing.
    
>  I think think CU will play with some more intensity this week against
>  the Huskers.

    Understatement of the year, Keith.
    
>  Did anybody else notice that Denver's channel 4 moved the CU game to
>  UHF channel 20 (very poor reception for me) in order to play the 
>  Notre Dame/USC game on Channel 4. This really pissed me off, that CU got
>  pre-empted by Notre Dame. I wonder if this was a Channel 4 decision or
>  if it was something shoved down their throat by NBC. 

    I think you're right, it had something to do with NBC forcing them to
    do so.  During the week the Channel 4 sports announcers were saying the
    game would be on 20 and not 4, but they had kind of a smirk on their
    face when they said that so I kind of figured it wasn't their choice.
    
    I'm kind of surprised that ABC didn't want the Nebraska-CU game.  Their
    premier game this week is Florida at Auburn and the other choices
    aren't that great.  We'll probably get stuck with some Pac-10 game. :^(
    I'd rather see Florida-Auburn.  Anyway, I'm glad ESPN has it because I
    prefer a night game and ESPN does a great job on their Saturday night 
    telecasts.
    
    
    Joe

                     Conf.      All
    Nebraska          3-0       6-1
    Colorado          3-0       5-2
    Oklahoma          2-1       5-2
    Kansas            1-2       4-3
    Kansas St.        1-2       4-3
    Missouri          1-2       3-3-1
    Iowa St.          0-2-1     2-4-1
    Oklahoma St.      0-2-1     0-6-1
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Nebraska (+4) at Colorado
    Iowa State (+13) at Missouri
    Kansas (-6.5) at Oklahoma State
    Kansas State (+22) at Oklahoma


    Joe

>    Did you notice that Kahl didn't play at all against KSU?  
    
    Yep, I did notice that. Kent Kahl is a very good running back but I just
    don't think he has the talent that Lamont Warren has and Mac has seen
    the light. One other thing I really like about Warren is that, unlike 
    Bieniemy, he is not fumble prone. He has a total of 1 fumble for the 
    season. When you look at him, he looks like a tall skinny kid. He's only 
    195 lbs which isn't all that big. But he obviously has lot's of power 
    which was shown on his TD run that was called back. He literally carried 
    3 defenders on his back for the last 8 or 9 yards to the end zone. He 
    almost looked like Earl Cambell on that play. If he stays healthy and 
    doesn't jump to the pro's, I think he'll be the most productive runner 
    CU has ever had, including Bieniemy.

    Another position with some interesting team competition is at fullback.
    James Hill had a concusion before the Oklahoma game so Scott Phillips 
    took his place and had a great game. It going to be hard not to give
    Phillips more playing time. Hill appears to have excellent power and 
    blocks very well. Phillips appears to be an excellent receiver.
    Then there is freshman and high school All American, Kendall Bussey.
    He hasn't shown me anything yet but he obviously has talent to be so
    highly recruited. Phillips is from Monument while Hill is from Widefield.
    It's nice to see a couple of local guys playing well for CU.

>>  It didn't look like CU's offensive line did a good job. 

>    I caught some of the post-game on the radio and they were saying the
>    same thing.
    
    One of their starting offensive linemen(can't remember his name) was
    left back in Boulder since he was having some academic problems. Hopefully,
    he'll make some prgress in his classes and be ready for the big showdown
    on Saturday. They obviously didn't play with the intensity of the week 
    before. The offensive line is my biggest concern going into the Husker 
    game.
  
    One of the Denver paper's had an article on Michael Westbrook. They said 
    that last year he worked out with the CU basketball team and this year,
    he may try out for the team. Evidently, he broke 3 backboards while doing
    slam dunks. 

					Keith

    I'm in school all week so I'm not going to have time for anything more
    than generic postings such as this.
    
    GO BIG RED !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty
    
    
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Colorado 10	Kansas State 0
 
Well, K-State blew another chance at a win.  KSU's defense played 
extremely well.  The only TD scored was a 13yd drive by the Buffalos 
setup when Watson fumbled a snap.  The Wildcats had driven inside 
CU's 25 five times:two missed FGs, two interceptions and one fumble.  
Much to CU's credit, they only allowed the Wildcats on their side 
of the field once in the second half.  Colorado dominated the second 
half with good defensive pressure on KSU's quarterbacks.  CU used 
mainly a 4-man rush that blew right by KSU's off.line.  This gave the
Buffs 8(?) sacks on the day.   But K-State did do the job defensively 
themselves.  They controlled Hagan for much of the day, although Warren
was running for 118yds.  Snyder said this was the best defensive effort
he has seen since he came to KSU. Colorado players left impressed with 
KansasSt but said they(KSU) were a few good players from being a good 
team.
 
CU	0	7	3	0	-10
KSU	0	0	0	0	-0
 
CU Warren 7run(Harper kick)
CU 29FG Harper
 
		CU	KSU
First downs     20	18
Rushes-yards    52-207	40-118
Passing yards   132	165
Return		67	22
Passing         13-26-0	13-27-2
Punts           7-40	6-41
Fumbles-lost    1-1	2-2
Penalties       11-83	7-52
Time of poss    31:53	28:07
Attendance 31,987
 
Individual stats:
Rushing: CU-Warren 26-118, Hagan 15-46, Hill 9-38
	 KSU-Gallon 15-70, Madden 5-49, Sanft 2-12
Passing: CU-Hagan 12-25-0-122, Joseph 1-1-0-10
         KSU-Watson 13-26-2-165, Smargiasso 0-1-0-0
Receiving: CU-Westbrook 7-91, Johnson 2-19, Brown 2-12
	   KSU-Smith 4-31, Gallon 2-33, Madden 2-32
 
-------------------------------------------
Missouri 3, Nebraska 63
 
What does beating Missouri by a wide margin and dominating the statistics
tell Nebraska coach Tom Osborne about his 1991 team?  "It tells us we're
better than Missouri."
 
In a game where two Huskers had 100 yard days, McCant his 2nd straignt and 
Brown his 7th, and 109 Huskers saw some action, Nebraska had one of its best 
offensive performances of the season, and tied for its best defensive 
performance.  (The other 261 yard total was against Arizona State.)
 
Eight Husker players, including 4 I-backs, scored touchdowns.  Nebraska also 
had its first turnover-free game of the season, which pleased Osborne.  "To 
score eight times in a row -- those things happen.  The big factor was no 
turnovers and not very many penalties.  If you do that, you're going to move 
the ball on people."
 
Nebraska also had a lot of success on third-down (10-15) and fourth-down (2-2)
plays, while Missouri was 0-11 on third down conversions.
 
QB Keithen McCant said the Huskers weren't 'peeking' ahead to next week's
Colorado game.  "Colorado wasn't on our mind today.  It is now."
 
Missouri coach Bob Stull said, "They took control.  I don't think it got out
of control."
 
Injuries on both sides:  Missouri tailback Ronnell Kayhill, their second-leading
rusher, tore the medial collateral ligament in his right knee on the Tiger's
2nd offensive series and will undergo surgery on Monday.  DE Stacy Elliott left
the game with a knee injury but it wasn't thought to be serious.  
 
Nebraska held out TE William Washington, who has been nursing a hamstring
problem.  I-back Scott Baldwin saw his first action since early in the season
opener, and possibly his last as well.  Baldwin had 5 rushes for 28 yards and
a TD, but dislocated his shoulder scoring and will be out at least three weeks.
 
Scoring and statistics:
 
Missouri    3   3   0   0 --  6
Nebraska   21  21  14   7 -- 63
 
MU - Jacke 42 yd FG
NU - Bostick 27 yd pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
NU - McCant 36 yd run (Bennett kick)
NU - D. Brown 5 yard run (Bennett kick)
MU - Jacke 47 yd FG
NU - Mitchell 7 yd pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
NU - C. Jones 5 yd run (Bennett kick)
NU - Hughes 21 yd pass from McCant (Bennett kick)
NU - D. Brown 5 yd run (Bennett kick)
NU - Baldwin 1 yd run (Sieler kick)
NU - Achola 7 yd run (Sieler kick)
 
                          MU           NU
First downs               16           32
Rushes-yards           32-77       68-511
Passing yards            184          170
Total yards              261          681
Return yards              11           35
Passing              17-35-2      13-19-0
Punts                 7-39.2       4-45.2
Fumbles-lost             3-1          1-0
Penalties-yards         4-32         4-36
Time of possession     25:02        34:58
Attendance: 76,244
 
Individual statistics:
Rushing
   MU: M. Washington 11-48, Madison 7-23, Freeman 2-17, Tate 1-6
   NU: McCant 9-124, D. Brown 18-118, Achola 7-58, C. Jones 10-51
Passing
   MU: P. Johnson 15-29-1-169, Handy 2-6-1-15
   NU: McCant 9-13-0-144, Joseph 3-5-0-19, Haase 1-1-0-7
Receiving
   MU: Dunn 4-69, Madison 3-30, Leach 2-29, Holly 2-19, Hall 2-14
   NU: Mitchell 3-36, Hughes 2-56, Bostick 2-34, Hawkins 1-11
 
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Oklahoma State 6	Iowa State 6
 
Sad Homecoming for Cyclone fans.  This tie doesn't do any good for 
either team.  OSU's kicker,Myers, missed a 52yder with 1:16 left
that could've broken the tie, but was just short.  This is ISU's
4th time in 5 games they couldn't reach the endzone and were TD-
less for the month of Oct.  Both of ISU's top QBs are lost for the
season with shoulder injuries.  OSU had a season high 356 in off.
yards but were charged with 7 penalties, 4 of them holding and one
was an intentional grounding that put the last FG attempt for Myers
just out of reach.  Myers missed a 44-yder in the 1st half and had
another one blocked.  ISU couldn't get a 1st down in the 3rdQ, put
together a drive from their own 20 to OSU's 17 when Caldwell, ISU's
3rd QB, had to leave the game after a hit.  Stewart, ISU's kicker,
hit a 42-yder with 25 seconds left in the first half.  Then OSU
marched 61yds in 24 seconds for Myers' 32yder.  ISU did fumble
on a 3rd-n-goal from OSU's 1, which was the closest either team
came to scoring a TD.
 
OSU	0	3	3	0	-6
ISU	0	3	0	3	-6
 
ISU 42FG Stewart
OSU 32FG Myers
OSU 39FG Myers
ISU 31FG Stewart
 
		OSU	ISU
First downs	20	10
Rushes		46-158	42-108
passing		198	80
Returns		21	24
Passes		16-28-1	6-12-0
Punts		5-37	6-40
Fumbles		2-1	1-1
Penalties	7-55	7-55
Time of poss	34:04	25:56
Attendance 41,528
 
Rushing OSU-Berrien 23-72, Denson 14-52, Franks 5-46
	ISU-Patterson 13-82, Caldwell 23-24
Passing OSU-Ford 16-28-1-198
	ISU-Caldwell 6-12-0-80
Receiving OSU-Milliner 9-134, Kirksey 6-56
	  ISU Spencer 3-50
	  
-------------------------------------------
 
Kansas 3	Oklahoma 41
 
OU jumped out quickly with a long punt return and a long reverse, both
which went for TDs in the 1st Q.  To make matters worse, OU's receiver
Hall was left uncovered for his 68yd TD pass.  Gaddis and Hilleary
went to the benches in the 3rdQ...Gaddis after a hit and Hilleary with
a migrane headache.  Sands became KU's all-time rushing leader.  Even
Dan Eichloff had an off day with punts of 12 and 18(although the 18yder
was partially blocked).
 
KU	0	3	0	0	-3
OU	14	20	0	7	-41
 
OU Taylor 58 punt return(Blanton kick)
OU Long 56run(Blanton kick)
OU Gaddis 4run(Blanton kick)
OU Gaddis 34run(Blanton kick)
OU Hall 68pass from Gundy(Blanton kick)
KU 43FG Eichloff
OU McDade 1run(Blanton kick)
 
                KU	OU
First Downs:    10	21
Rushes-yards    43-121	54-249
Passing yards   45	190
Return		30	65
Passing         6-16-0	10-15-0
Punts           11-36	5-44
Fumbles-lost    0-0	5-0
Penalties	6-48	4-35
Time of poss.	28:37	31:23
Attendance:  68,128
 
Rushing: KU-Sands 21-89, White 5-38, Robben 3-5
	 OU-Gaddis 14-88, McDade 17-72, Long 1-56
Passing: KU-Hilleary 5-10-0-39, Florell 1-6-0-6
	 OU-Gundy 8-12-0-175, S.Collins 2-3-0-15
Receiving: KU-Gay 2-16, Chandler 2-16, New 1-7
	   OU-Warren 5-82, Hall 3-99, Long 1-4
 
-------------------------------------------
 
 
Records
Team	conf	overall
NU	3-0-0	6-1-0
CU	3-0-0	5-2-0
OU	2-1-0	5-2-0
KU	1-2-0	4-3-0
KSU	1-2-0	4-3-0
MU	1-2-0	3-3-1
ISU	0-2-1	2-4-1
OSU	0-2-1	0-6-1
 
Games next week(11-2,times are CST)
NU  @ CU(ESPN, 7:30???)
ISU @ MU(PrimeSport tape-delayed game)
KU  @ OSU
KSU @ OU(1:00pm)
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    A couple of interesting tidbits regarding TV coverage:
    
    ESPN will be carrying 3 football games from Colorado in a 4-day span
    starting Thursday.  Thursday night they have BYU at Colorado State,
    Saturday night it's Nebraska at Colorado, and Sunday night it's
    Pittsburgh at the Broncos.
    
    The Big 8 will be a part of ESPN's Big Monday this year, replacing the
    Big Ten as their 2nd game on Monday nights.
    
    
    Joe
       

    Last night on KOA Sportstalk call-in show, the announcer (I think the
    voice of the Donco's) said that CU would win because:
    
    	CU's Defense is as good as last years Defense
    	CU's Offense is BETTER than last years
    
    The Nebraska fan he was speaking to at the time about died laughing.
    
    No predictions from this Husker fan. My prediction record is too lousy.
    PLUS, I'm tired of eating CROW. I've had about every Crow dish that the
    imagination can dream up.   ;^)
    
    Gonna get a pizza, send the wife shopping and watch this game with
    intensity.
    
    GO BIG RED !!!
    
    Husker Henderson

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 29-OCT-1991 22:24:54.56
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Husker Notes, Oct 29th

The NU depth chart for this week reads as follows.  A dash indicates players
are sharing that spot in the list.  

Split End: John Bostick, Tyrone Hughes, Dan Pleasant-Corey Dixon
Left Tackle: Lance Lundberg, Rob Zatechka
Left Guard: Erik Weigert, Chris Zyzda, Dave Jensen
Center: Bill Ziegelbein, Jim Scott
Right Guard: Will Shields, T.J. Slansky, Ken Mehlin  
Right Tackle: Brian Boerboom, Zach Weigert, Ray Reifenrath
Tight End: William Washington, Daryl Liese-Johnny Mitchell, Chris Garrett 
QB:  Keithen McCant, Mickey Joseph, Tom Haase
FB: Lance Lewis, Tim Johnk, Robert Glanz, Andre McDuffy  Injured--Omar Soto
IB: Derek Brown, Calvin Jones, George Achola  Injured--Scott Baldwin
WB: Nate Turner, Abdul Muhammad, Vincent Hawkins, Mark Dowse
Punter: Mike Stigge, Byron Bennett
K: Bennett, Tom Seiler

Left Outside LB: Travis Hill, David Leader, Lance Gray
Left Tackle: Jamie Liewer, Kevin Ramaekers, Terry Connealy
Middle Guard: Pat Engelbert, David Noonan, Jerry Irons
Right Tackle: John Parella, Bruce Moore, Matt Hillman  Injured-Brian Brown
Right Outide LB: David White, Trev Alberts, Donta Jones
Strongside LB: Mike Petko, Darren Williams, Troy Branch, Shane Geiken
Weakside LB: Mike Anderson, Ed Stewart, Paul Wightman, Doug Colman
Left CB: Curtis Cotton, Kenney Wilhite, Sedric Collins
Right CB: Tyrone Legette, Mike Heins
Strong Saftey: Steve Carmer, Ernie Beier, Troy Dumas 
Free Saftey: Tyrone Byrd, John Reese, Lorenzo Brinkley

NU QB Keithen McCant was named the Big Eight Offensive Player of the Week
for his performance against Missouri.  NU outside hitter Janet Kruse was
named the Big Eight Conference volleyball player of the week, the third
Husker to win the honor twice this season.

Former NU basketball player Clifford Scales, cut by the NBA Golden State
Warriers last week, has signed to play with Sioux Falls of the Continental
Basketball Association.

The NCAA has announced it is placing some proposals to change the enforcement
process on the agenda of the January NCAA convention.  Lincoln Journal
sportswriter Ken Hambleton credits Nebraska State Senator Ernie Chambers 
as having brought the issue into the public eye, as Nebraska and then 11 other
states have passed laws requiring the NCAA to use due process in dealing
with schools under investigation.  The often controversion Omaha Senator was 
also the first legislator in the country to seek better rules for scholarship 
athletes after an injury.  
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    One factor in the NU/CU game is going to be the Nebraska Offensive
    line.
    
    They are ALMOST as big as the Stanford line and they are certainly
    as strong (In the weighroom) as the Stanford boys. This is a switch
    from last year when CU could litterly push the Huskers around because
    the weight diff was about 30-40 lps per man on the line. This goes for
    both sides of the ball.
    
    Can Nebraska stop or slow down Hagens passing?
    Can CU stop or slow down Nebraska's more balanced attack?
    
    I think we are looking at a more even matchup this year than last.
    
    One last factor...
    
    
    
    			I am almost always wrong !!    ;^)
    
   	 Nebraska Marty

The only major factor will be the SNOW and COLD. 

  It looks like a new factor(weather) will enter the game. All of the 
  forecasts that I've seen predict more snow and cold weather. Since it 
  is a night game, the weather should be even colder than the players are 
  used to. Normally, bad weather will favor the team with the best lines and
  running games. Here's the way I see the position to position comparisons:

	Offensive line: NU leads the nation in rushing. Their offensive line
			is a big reason for this. NU clearly comes out on 
			top in what may be the most important comparison 
			with the cold/snowy weather forecast. 

	Defensive line: CU is slightly better. 

	Running backs:	Real close. However, NU has some more experience,
			emphasizes the running game and leads the nation 
			in rushing. I give a very slight edge to NU.

	QB:		McCant and Hagan are both excellent QB's but Hagan 
			does everything a little better plus he's a proven 
			money player in the big games. Hagan is one of the 
			best if the not the best QB in college football.
			Moderate edge to CU.

	Receivers:	Sure handed Mark Henry has recovered from his knee
			injury and will be ready to play. Michael Westbrook
			is maturing into one of the better receiver's in the 
			Big 8. Lamont Warren and Scott Phillips are also
			excellent receiver's out of the backfield. Significant
			edge to CU.
  
	Tight Ends:	NU's Mitchell is the best tight end in the Big 8.
			CU's Sean Brown is experienced and has made numerous 
			clutch catches but isn't the greatest blocker. Edge
			to NU.

	Linebackers:	Both teams were hit by graduation and the NFL draft.
			CU linebackers are better against the pass but NU
			linebackers play the run better. I'll call this one 
			a draw.

	Secondary:	Cris Hudson, Deion Figures, Eric Hamilton and company
			have intimidated their opponents and made big plays
			all year. CU has one of the better secondaries in
			college football. Big edge to CU.

	Special teams:	Berger puts the ball in the endzone almost everytime
			he kicks off. Hudson and Hagan are real threats to
			run back a punt all the way. However, NU has been 
			returning punts very well lately. Slight edge to CU.

  For CU to win, they must be able to move the ball through the air. They have
  all the weapons to do this but the cold weather could hurt their passing
  attack. If they can establish a passing game early, they can turn Lamont 
  Warren lose. If they start going 3 downs and out like they did against
  Stanford, the NU 300 lb lineman will wear down the CU defense and it could be
  a long night.

  NU must play ball control football. If they can establish a good running
  game, their passing attack will open up later in the game.

  Final prediction: If the weather improves, CU wins by 10. If the weather
  turns out to be cold and snowy as predicted, I see this game as even.
  However, CU has the home field advantage. CU by 1.

			Keith

>    Last night on KOA Sportstalk call-in show, the announcer (I think the
>    voice of the Donco's) 

    The host of Sportstalk last night was Dave Logan, who does color for
    the Bronco games.  Larry Zimmer does play-by-play for both CU and the
    Broncos.
    
    RE: Weather
    This will be a classic game played in the cold, at night, outdoors. 
    No half-full LA Coliseum with shirtless, lackluster fans lounging
    around, none within 30 yards of the playing field.  Nope, Folsom Field
    will be packed solid with both CU and NU fans bundled up, many of them
    only a few yard from the field, cheering loudly throughout the game.  
    National TV, night game, seeing the players' breath, and snow piled up on 
    the sidelines.  With the exception of real grass, this will be real 
    football at its best.  Enjoy.  I know I will.
    
    An important factor in the game will be how well NU keeps their
    intensity up and not letting themselves get down if they get behind,
    especially late in the game.  That was a big factor in last year's game 
    - how NU lost so much steam after CU started coming back.  It was kind of 
    like they expected to win easily after having the 12-0 lead.
    
    The latest rumor going around regarding CU's opponent in the Orange
    Bowl is that it will be the Miami-FSU loser.  The OB reportedly has 6 
    teams on its wanted list: Miami, FSU, Florida, Notre Dame, Penn State, 
    and Alabama.
    
 
    Joe
                       

    
    	Yeah right Marty, you eat crow like my kid eats his vegetables.....
    
    
    	Claybroon

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 31-OCT-1991 01:29:05.82
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The weather for the Colorado game is predicted to be awful, in case any of
you haven't looked outside or at a weather report lately.  Boulder apparently
already has several inches of snow, with more forecast between now and
Saturday, and with cold and possibly snowy playing conditions it could make
the game interesting, to say the least.  

The UNL Sports Information office has warned NU fans travelling to Boulder to
be wary of purchasing student tickets, because they might wind up sitting
in a hostile student section.  (CU students got separate tickets for each
game for the first time this year.)

Reserve cornerback Vernon Powell is not going to Boulder becase of a groin
injury.  FB Omar Soto and I-back Scott Baldwin may be able to play in two
weeks.  

TE Chris Garrett is questionable for Saturday, as are TE's Darryl Leise and
Mike Vedral (who broke a collarbone Tuesday.)  I-back Calvin Jones, who
got in a lot of playing time against Missouri, has a turf toe injury and
is only seeing limited practicing.  
---
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    Hey Marty,
    Why the warning to NU fans to be wary of purchasing CU student tix?
    They'll have loads of fun in hostile student territory. Dat's
    experiencin college foosball at its fever pitchin' best.
    Whence I was a student at ND during the Bronze Age,once in a great
    while some "Enemies" would sit among us. Sure there was razzing back
    and forth but it was good fun. Don't remember seein any hooliganism.
    Of course, we were in Nirvana wif our hootch-filled mini-wineskins.
    I'd say if you can get tickets in the student section,Go For It!
    They'll have a blast.  BTW, any of you guys fortunate enough to
    have tickets to this match? Trade ya my ND-Navy tix. 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

>    Why the warning to NU fans to be wary of purchasing CU student tix?
    
    They were talking about this on the radio last night.  Since the
    students can get additional tickets this year there is a good chance
    they will be trying to sell them.  The warning is so NU fans are aware
    that if they buy a ticket outside the stadium there's a good chance it
    will be in the student section, and student sections are are much more
    rowdier/vocal/obnoxious than the other sections.  MikeL, I agree it
    should be good fun (I sure had fun with those ND fans at the academy,
    although they were getting a little PO'ed) but some people can take it
    too far and unfortunately ruin things for both sides and give a team's
    fans a bad rap.  I caught some of Mac's weekly radio show as I was
    driving home last night and he asked that all CU fans treat the
    Nebraska people well, that they keep it in good fun, and show them that
    Colorado has classy fans.  He wants to beat Nebraska *on* the field. 
    But, unfortunately, there will be some jerks who will still cause
    trouble and give many NU fans a bad opinion of CU fans in general.
    
>    BTW, any of you guys fortunate enough to
>    have tickets to this match? Trade ya my ND-Navy tix. 8^)
    
    No, I don't, and I assume Marty or anybody else doesn't either or else
    they'd have been talking about it all week.  Besides Mike, you'd have
    to do much, much better than ND-Navy.  
    
    RE: Weather
    The latest forecast has it being in the teens or 20's during the game
    with a slight chance of snow.
    
    BTW, I hope all youse guys back east can see some of the BYU-CSU game
    tonight (in addition to NU-CU on Saturday of course) and get a
    much-maligned opinion that Colorado always gets snowstorms in October. 
    This is an aberration from the normal weather this time of year.  Snow
    really isn't that unusual for October, but this much of it combined
    with it being so cold for so many days in a row is the unusual part.
    If these games were a week or 2 ago fans would be at the games in
    t-shirts or light coats....Just ask Jake!  (Not that anybody cared
    about any of this but I just felt like mentioning it. :^))
    
    
    Joe 

    re: .313
    
    MikeL, I only forward the "Husker Updates," I don't write them.
    
    The only think I can think of that could be a problem is this:
    
    	Cold night. Students smuggle alcohal in, get drunk, get 
    	overly obnoxious, piss off Red clad faithfull.
    
    	.or.
    
    	Students overly obnoxious, NU fan overly defensive, conflict
    	arises.
    
    I would not want, personally, to be a Husker fan in the CU student
    section, and I would not want to be a Golden Buffhole fan in the NU
    student section. (Hey, you guys callem "Cornholers" - eye for eye) ;^)
    
    Bugeater Marty

   A KSU fan from Mannhatten speaks out...
    
    
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Nebraska Marty) writes:
>>Why do you feel this way? A blowout over Mizzou? A lackluster win over
>>KSU? I agree that CU has improved since Baylor and Stanford, but I don't
>>believe they are as good as last year.
>
>I think you're right, that the optimism of Colorado fans is due to the
>improvement they've made.  After the Baylor and Stanford games, most of
>us were saying "They're young; next year is their year."  But over the
>last 3 weeks, they've finally started playing together, like a team
>(even in the lackluster win over KSU).
>
What is this bait("lackluster win over KSU")?  Well, I'm biting.
Same old story...not that KSU played good, but [opponent] played
poorly.  I, for one, am actually believing that KSU can and does
play football.  Both Neb and Colo did beat KSU.  But Neb was 7yds
away from being possibly upset and KSU wasn't too far away from 
up-ending the Buffs.  CU and NU won, but not by lackluster play.
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    Marty,
    I know you forwarded that info,was just askin' yo' opinion.
    Sure there could be potential problems, but what the hail, let them
    live. One thing for sure, they'll neverferget it.
    Last year I was lucky enough to go to the Orange Bowl and my seats
    were at the end of a row right opposite the CU student's section.
    We had a blast with the back and forth banter. I must admit I got a
    wee bit carried away at the end when they called back the Ismail
    TD. As the furor died down, and the CU fans were starting to come out
    of shock, I yelled over to the group I had been bantering with and
    said " Now I know how Missouri felt!" I was met with cold stares.
    Guess I hit a raw nerve. 8^)
    
    MikeL
    
    

My dad's got some tickets to the game but since he works for a "wimpy" company
"HP" he probably won't go to the game and ask me if I'd like to go...

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 31-OCT-1991 19:15:28.96
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The temperature in Lincoln today is around 20 degrees, with sleet all night
that turned to snow around noon Thursday.  I hear that the Big Storm missed
Boulder, but that things there are still cold.  The 'Buffs apparently had
to wait until they cleared the snow off the field to practice, though.

In case the traffic in rec.sport.football.college has escaped your attention,
the NU-CU game appears to be the most exciting contest this week.  (Sorry 
about that Ohio State....)  The papers have been full of coverage as well.  

The Colorado team has copies of NU tight end Johnny Mitchell's comments
about the game plastered up all over their dressing room:  "Colorado is just
like Kansas State and Kansas to me.  I don't think they can compete on our
level for a long time.  We gave them life the last couple of years.  But I
don't think we should have given them that much respect.  They have a
great team, but I think they got some great breaks."
                                                            
Nebraska's return game has been missing-in-action this season, and the Huskers
have shuffled blockers in an attempt to change that.  NU ranks 33rd nationally
in punt returns and 44th in kickoff returns.  Their 9.6 yard punt return
average is their lowest since 1985, and their 20.6 yard kickoff average is
7 yards less than 1990, when the Husker led the nation.
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> The Colorado team has copies of NU tight end Johnny Mitchell's comments
> about the game plastered up all over their dressing room:  "Colorado is just
> like Kansas State and Kansas to me.  I don't think they can compete on our
> level for a long time.  We gave them life the last couple of years.  But I
> don't think we should have given them that much respect.  They have a
> great team, but I think they got some great breaks."
    
    McCartney has pretty much blown off Mitchell's words, saying he's a
    young kid shooting off his mouth and his opinion doesn't reflect how
    the majority of the NU players feel.  But you can be guaranteed, it
    just gives the CU players that much more intensity.
    
    The Nebraska defense has given up some hefty yardage this year and you
    can be sure the Buffs are aware of that.  If the CU O-line has a very
    good game the Buffs will dominate the game.  CU certainly won't put the
    burden on Hagan to do it all, so expect Warren to see the ball plenty. 
    I also CU will have a trick play or 2 in their playbook tomorrow night. 
    I stand by my earlier prediction of CU by 10+.
    
    C'mon Marty, everyone in notes knows who you're picking, why don't you
    just come out and say it???  :^) :^)
    
    Buffs Rool the Big Eight!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Joe                                                        

  Oh no!! The game is on ESPN and we don't have cable in our area.

  Is there someone in the C Spgs area that could tape the game for me ?
  I have a tape at work which I can deliver.

				Keith  

    Joe, you are so damm sure of yourself arent you. Well you better just
    be right because you have set yourself up for a blasting BIG TIME !!!
    And if NU wins it will come at you like a Tomahawk missle.
    
    You are ignoring some major factors about the Huskers in this game.
    I will not elaborate. I'm in a VMS class at CXN and don't have time.
    
    And on your point about McArtney playing down the comments. That is
    pure BS. McArtney may SAY that to the press, but his history is to
    use anything that may come up, manipulate it and blow it up to his
    players for his advantage. He does it in a slimy way and presents
    himself as a pure/sinless coach of a perfect program.
    
    Yea, he will use those comments to his fullest, blow it out of
    proportion, or at least he will let it continue amoung the players.
    You won't see him taking the comments down off the wall. NO way.
    
    There, you got some garbage out of me but NO PREDICTION.
    
    Nebraska Marty

    re: -1 (My own) and Joe's trying to pry my rediction...
    
    I'll comment directly to Joe's comment about "everybody knows..."
    
    Yes, everybody knows who I'm rooting for. Bur nobody knows who I
    think will win because even I don't know who to predict.
    
    How can you predict it? consider this:
    
    	CU hasent played squat. (OU hasent shown anyone anything this year)
    	  Baylor and Stanford have shown to be mediocre and CU has improved
    	  supposidly, but what does that mean? We still don't know how good
    	  or bad they are. Just like NU last year.
    	NU has improved and has played a decent schedule, came from behind
    	  and supposidly has built some character and has improved, but
    	  STILL hasent beaten a top-10 team. Neither has CU (Sorry, OU is
    	  NOT a top-10 team, NO WAY !!!)
        NU offense is balenced and potent. CU D supposed to be very good.
    	CU is young and never been in a game like this. NU is semi-young
    	  for them. (Yes, they will be better next year too.)
    	Who knows how the weather will affect this whole thing.
        NU's O-line is almost as big as Stanfords and certainly can
    	  at-least match them in the strength catagory.
    	Other factors in favor of either team. I'm out of time.
    
    In short, there are so many unkown factors that a prediction can be
    based on little but loyalties and emotion. That was my mistake last
    year. I won't make it again THIS year !!!
    
    Again Joe, you better hope your right. That's for Dang sure !!! Becuase
    It'll make things doubly fun if you are wrong after your documented
    comments.
    
    Husker Henderson

    I'm outta here. No further comments before the game.
    
    I wish for a good, clean game with no controversy. I hope there are
    no bad calls which have bearing on the game so neither side can squak
    and whine.
    
    And Finally, lets just hope that the good guys from the North with
    the white hats pull out a win.
    
    GO BIG RED !!! I Love Ya !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty

    
    	NEBRASKA has the "inside track" on the Orange Bowl !!!
    
    Huskers were the stronger team in the 4th quarter. No doubt.
    Nebraska should have won the game. 2, COUNT'em - TTTTWWWWOOOOOOO
    blocked kicks. And one on an extra point. There is no excuse for it.
    Congrats to CU special teams. Those mistakes cost Nebraska the game
    and a very outside chance at the National Championship.
    
    Well, a tie is better than a loss any day, but not by much.
    
    Considering the following facts:
    
    	1. Huskers 1st possesion TD called back.
    	2. 2 stupid plays by special teams giving up a total of 6 pts.
    	   (turnaround of 3 on the blocked extra point/safety - loss of
    	    3 potential points on the last play of the game. By the way
    	    the clip/clips on the safety play WERE NOT CALLED !!!)
	3. Huskers offense SUCKed in the 1st half. McCant couldent his his
    	   OPEN recievers. CU played well buy Huskers SUCKED in the 1st
    	   half.
    	4. Nebraska was the stronger team in the 4th quarter.
      	5. Game AT Boulder.
    
    Based on these things I say NU "SHOULD" have won. Plain and simple.
    Huskers did show character again as in the KSU game. Come from behind
    and almost overcame their own blockes.
    
    McCant showed that he is a good QB in the second half.
    
    Nebraska IS THE BETTER TEAM THIS YEAR but could only get a tie.
    CU was the better team LAST year.
    You will NEVER convice me that CU was better 2 years ago. NEVER !!!
    
    Nebraska now has the inside track on the Orange Bowl. All we have to
    do is take care of buiseness over 2 big-8 average teams and beat OU
    at Nebraska. If this happens we are in Miami !!! A win tonight would
    have enabled a loss to Oklahoma. Now we have to win. I think we can.
    
    Great game. Nu should have won. CU will be better next year...
    
    
    			BUT SO WILL NEBRASKA !!!
    
    Go Big RED !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty

    How about those wonderfull CU Buff fans huh???
    
    Snowballs all over the place hitting the NU players AND the REFS !!!
    
    Oranges and snowballs hitting the field before and durring the final
    field goal.
    
    Before the second half started - Nebraska warming up on the south end
    of the field. Oh yesssss, here comes Ralphie escored by 6 ASSholed
    directly thru the area that NU is warming up at.
    
    	BUSH LEAGUE my friends ---- B U S H   L E A G U E  !!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Don't give my any BS about how great the CU fans and their ASShold
    program is!!! There is no excuse for this SH#T !!!
    
    Last year in Lincoln - EVEN when NU took a 13 point lead THERE WERE
    NO ORANGES THROWN OUT ON THE FIELD !!! McArtney said "The Nebraska
    Crowd Was GREAT." That is a direct and accurate quote folks.
    
    Well, Osborne can't say the same thing about the CU Golden Butthole
    crowd. No way.
    
    This is fact folks. Pure FACT.
    
    CU FANS EAT "you know what"
    
    Husker Henderson

re 18.320
    
    Bold Joe writes:
    
>       -< Maybe 3 straight losses to CU will give him respect >-
    
    RESPECT for your DAMM program?? NO WAY. See -1
    
    3 strait losses? HA, NO way. CU was lucky to get out with a tie.
        
>    The Nebraska defense has given up some hefty yardage this year and you
>    can be sure the Buffs are aware of that.  If the CU O-line has a very
>    good game the Buffs will dominate the game.  CU certainly won't put the
>    burden on Hagan to do it all, so expect Warren to see the ball plenty. 
>    I also CU will have a trick play or 2 in their playbook tomorrow night. 
>    I stand by my earlier prediction of CU by 10+.
    
    If Nebraska's Defense sucks so bad than CU's offense sucks worse. Other
    teams could get 300+ yards in the air. CU couldent. CU couldent run the
    ball when it counted. Their offense sucked if NU is so bad.
    
    CU by 10 huh. IN YOUR FACE !!! It could have easily been NU by 7. I
    arive at the by adding four points taken away by penelty and the net
    -3 on the fiasco blocked PAT.
    
    Joe, NU is the better team this year. You conldent see the forest for
    the tree's. Emotions caused you to make a rediculous CU +10 prediction.
    
>    Buffs Rool the Big Eight!!!!!!!!
    
     Like Hell they do !!!
    
    Ummm, Ummm Good, Ummm Ummm good That what Forida sun is Umm Ummm good.
    I shouldent talk so fast. We still have to beat the Okie's. Don't choke
    like you did tonight Nebraska !!!
    
    
    I must say now that the dust has settled. CU deserves credit. I'm
    convinced that NU is the better team this year and CU still comes away
    with a tie. Hats off to them. Their Folsom Field crowd sucks. Their
    fans are lousy winners, but McArtney is a heck of a coach and CU played
    a great game.
    
    Well, even if NU makes the Orange bowl (and SOMETHING could still
    happen to prevent that) it's gonna be tuff. We may go down there and
    get beat. This tie may have guarantee'd a lesser opponent in Miami
    because now the Orange bowl will have no say in the mythical national
    champoinship. That is unless some wierd things happen. A non-top 5
    opponent may be a good boost to the Husker program. It may be what they
    need now. Well, we gotta take care of business first to get there. BUT
    NU IS IN THE DRIVERS SEAT !!!
    
    CU could still get a new years bowl possibly. Who knows. 2 losses and
    a tie - hmmm with the right breaks it's still possible. If NU chokes
    vs the Okie's then you go couresy of luck and Oklahoma.
    
    Later,
    
    Nebraska Marty

    re: last 3
    
    Please excuse the multiple typo's in the last 3 notes. I wrote these
    very fast. At home trying to get on and get off the system. I have
    better things to do than this all night.

    
    Aw, Marty, quit your crying about the Buffs' fans (why did I know
    we'd be hearing about the snowballs and oranges, which would be
    considered "overzealous enthusiasm" in Lincoln).  While Colorado 
    may just love playing in Lincoln, I've heard similar sentiments from 
    Oklahoma fans who've traveled there too-- as long as Nebraska wins,
    that is.  After Oklahoma wins in Lincoln, I've heard some pretty good 
    horror stories (but then again, that's still a much bigger rivalry).
                               
    Believe it or not, I was very quietly rooting for the Huskers because 
    a Colorado win (or tie) would effectively eliminate Oklahoma from the 
    Orange Bowl picture.  However, I thought the ESPN announcers blew the 
    call on that runback of the blocked conversion attempt.  Neither one 
    of those supposed clips looked like it to me.  With the first one, 
    the Husker tackler had already stumbled and had no chance at the 
    ballcarrier when the oncoming Colorado blocker's momentum carried
    himself onto the player.  Definitely not a clip.  The second block
    was more marginal.  It looked to me as if the Husker defender was hit 
    in the side after overrunning and turning his back to the play after
    yet another nice cutback by the runner had faked him out.  It was a 
    great piece of running for a defensive special-teams player, and there 
    really should be no complaining about the officiating on the play. 
                   
    Marty, you should direct your energies once again at "Coach" Tom
    Osborne in this one, not at trying to prove that Nebraska is the
    better team after yet another big "non-win" or at taunting Colorado
    fans (who came away with exactly the same sister-kissing result
    you did).  Osborne's strategy at the end of the game was ridiculous, 
    once again in classic Osborne style playing not to win and ensuring
    that the prophesy comes true.  Running the ball straight up the middle 
    with a timeout left to set up a fairly long field goal (41 yards) in 
    that kind of weather, after what had already happened to his kicking 
    game earlier?  I really think Osborne was playing this one to get
    out with the tie at worst, because it wouldn't affect his Orange
    Bowl chances...
    
    glenn
     

The first thing I want to say about the game is that I thought it was a
great game and both teams played very well.  As disappointed as I am in the
tie, the result may be fitting in a game that had plenty of intensity, drama,
big plays, excitement, and, surprisingly, no turnovers.  

What a disappointment.  It's hard to even describe how a tie in a big game 
like this feels.  As much of a disappointment it is, it sure as hell beats a
loss.  Of course, being a CU fan, I feel like CU should've won.  They had 
a couple of opportunities in the first half to open up the game, and they
also had the ball with a 7-point lead in the 4th quarter.  On the other hand, 
NU fans must feel like they should've won because they not only had the last-
second field goal try but also had the momentum the last 6 minutes or so.  It
depends on what perspective you look at it from, but both teams should be
content yet disappointed with the tie.

After NU's first drive of the game, CU controlled most of the first but only
led 10-3 late in the 2nd quarter.  The biggest fault came when they had NU 
pinned deep and Hagan returned a punt to the 20, but CU had to settle for a 
FG.  I just feel that if CU could've gotten up by more than one score it 
would've put that much more pressure and made it that much more tougher for 
NU to come back.  I have to give credit to Nebraska for playing tough defense 
and coming back late in the game in a hostile environment.  The most 
successful thing NU did on defense was constantly pressure Hagan.  I thought 
CU should've gone to the fullback a little more when NU wasn't giving Hagan 
any time to throw and was shutting down CU's option on the perimeter.

Nebraska started to run the ball much better in the 2nd half after averaging
less than a yard per carry in the first half.  CU responded when they had to,
driving for TD's when they were down 3-0 and after NU tied it at 12, yet 
couldn't put the Huskers away.  And when it comes down to the end, CU needs
a blocked FG to salvage a tie.  

There were numerous big plays, the biggest of which was CU blocking the extra
point attempt and returning it for a 2-pointer right before the half, which
helped CU retain momentum somewhat going into the locker room.  Nebraska had
a TD called back on their first drive, but then CU had a roughing the QB to
keep that drive alive.  NU got a FG on that drive.  Another big play was when
NU had a 3rd and 12 in the 4th quarter and was still trailing by a TD.  
McCant completed a pass to Mitchell (I believe) and he ended up gaining about
30 yards.  

I'm sure the controversies will come up, especially about a possible clip or 
2 on the 2-point play by CU.  Yes, I agree that there could've been a clip on
the return, but the call could've gone either way.  CU had a pass to James Hill
(the play he was hurt on) where he was pushed out of bounds in mid-air after 
catching the ball that was ruled an incompletion.  There was another pass to 
Rico Smith in the 3rd quarter that I sware he caught but they never showed a 
replay.  It was very unfortunate for CU that their 3 starters in the offensive
backfield were out of the game at some point in the 2nd half.  The loss of
Hagan was very costly on that one drive where Vance Joseph and missed a wide
open receiver and 3rd down. 

Does anyone know why NU kicked off from the 50 after CU blocked the extra 
point and ran it back for 2 points?  Is that the rule for the 2-pointer or
was CU penalized for some sort of celebration?  I never heard an explanation.

The ramifications of this tie are pretty simple.  If NU wins the rest of their
games they would finished tied with CU (assuming CU wins the rest of their
games) for the Big 8 title but the Orange Bowl would take Nebraska because
they will be the higher ranked team.  So Nebraska is now in control of their
destiny for New Year's day.  For CU fans on Nov. 29th, it's Go Sooners!!!! 

The Fiesta said they are interested in the Big 8 runner-up if they don't end
up with a FSU/Miami-ND matchup.


Joe

re: -1

Joe, NU kicked from the 50 after the safety because there was indeed a flag
thrown on that runback of the blocked PAT.

All of us NU fans, including the NU radio broadcast thought they would call the
clip when we saw the flag. It was not to be. After the ref's huddled they came
up with an unsportsmanlike conduct call based on CU's celebration in the end-
zone.

Shakey at best.

Great game. Joe, I only jumped on you because you did the same thing I did
last year - got a little mouthy BEFORE the game. NO hard feelings on my part.
The crow tastes bad I know.

I still have a chance to eat crow on the OU game.

Marty

    
    Marty, you amaze me.  Here both teams end up with the dreaded tie and
    you're acting like NU won.  First you were satisfied with a 15-point
    home loss to Washington and now you're happy with a tie against CU.  I
    guess NU's inability to beat highly-ranked teams over the years has
    lowered your expectations severely.  
    
    Oh, and a couple of realistic reminders:  Even if NU goes to the Orange
    Bowl remember they're still not Big 8 Champions - they'll just share
    the title with CU.  And NU still hasn't beaten CU the past 3 seasons,
    despite what you want to believe in your Big Red fantasyland.
    
>    RESPECT for your DAMM program?? NO WAY. See -1
 
    You try to call the CU fans disrespectful yet you come out with a
    remark like this.  You're blowing the snowball incidents way out of
    proportion.  They were coming from the student section and like
    Waugaman said it sure would be different if it happened in Lincoln. 
    These type of incidents are very typical of college crowds around the
    country.
    
>    If Nebraska's Defense sucks so bad than CU's offense sucks worse. Other
>    teams could get 300+ yards in the air. CU couldent. CU couldent run the
>    ball when it counted. Their offense sucked if NU is so bad.
    
    I never said NU's defense sucked so don't try putting words in my
    mouth.  
    
 >    Joe, NU is the better team this year. 
    
    Once again, in your mind.  Sure, NU outplayed CU in the 4th quarter,
    but they had to do so to salvage a TIE.  That's right, a TIE.  The game
    was a TIE Marty.  And you're saying CU was lucky to tie.  That was a
    good defensive play on the blocked FG, not a lucky break. 
     
>>    Buffs Rool the Big Eight!!!!!!!!
>     Like Hell they do !!!
   
    FYI, CU still hasn't lost a conference game in 3 seasons.  How many
    teams around the country can say that? 
    
    >    If NU chokes
    >    vs the Okie's then you go couresy of luck and Oklahoma.
    
    This is funny.  No, make that hilarious.  If OU beats NU, CU does go
    courtesy of OU but not of luck.  You see, the Big Eight champ is
    determined by who has a better record in the conference.  If NU loses
    to OU then CU ends up with a better record and therefore played better
    ball throughout the conference schedule and therefore deserves the
    outright Big Eight title.
    
    
    Joe

   
  >  Aw, Marty, quit your crying about the Buffs' fans (why did I know
  >  we'd be hearing about the snowballs and oranges, which would be
  >  considered "overzealous enthusiasm" in Lincoln).  While Colorado 
  >  may just love playing in Lincoln, I've heard similar sentiments from 
  >  Oklahoma fans who've traveled there too-- as long as Nebraska wins,
  >  that is.  After Oklahoma wins in Lincoln, I've heard some pretty good 
  >  horror stories (but then again, that's still a much bigger rivalry).

Glenn, your rationalizing based on alleged behavior of others. 2 wrongs 
do not make it ok.

 >  Marty, you should direct your energies once again at "Coach" Tom
 >   Osborne in this one, not at trying to prove that Nebraska is the
 >   better team after yet another big "non-win" or at taunting Colorado
 >   fans (who came away with exactly the same sister-kissing result
 >   you did).

Not exactly true. In this case their sister is uglier than ours.  ;^)
IF we beat your team then WE STILL go to the Orange bowl based on the fact
that NU's record is better this year. So the Huskers get the last laugh.
Hell, we dident expect a chance at the mythical national championship anyway.

 >   Osborne's strategy at the end of the game was ridiculous, 
 >   once again in classic Osborne style playing not to win and ensuring
 >   that the prophesy comes true.  Running the ball straight up the middle 
 >   with a timeout left to set up a fairly long field goal (41 yards) in 
 >   that kind of weather, after what had already happened to his kicking 
 >   game earlier?  I really think Osborne was playing this one to get
 >   out with the tie at worst, because it wouldn't affect his Orange
 >   Bowl chances...

I agree that Osborne should not have just ran the ball before the kick. His
passing game was going well. McCant loosened up and started to click. I don't
agree that he was actually playing to tie. I think that's bunk. Look at his
history also. I think he really liked his chances with the field goal. His
kicker is pretty good actually. But I will concede he got to conservative.

Now Huskers, DO IT, beat our highly respected rival and send our little-
respected rival to the TOILET BOWL !!!

Nebraska Marty

    
    	No hard feelings on your part Marty?  That's mighty big of
    	you considering you told ALL CU fans to eat "you know what"
    	(I'm assuming you mean $hit).  
    
    	Perch and twirl dude..........
    
    	And, when you're done with that, get a life.
    
    	Claybroon

  Here's the team statistics for the CU/NU game. It's about as close
  as you can get. I'll have more on comments on the game later.

				Keith

			Neb		CU
  First downs		15		19
    Rush		6		11
    Pass		8		7
    Penalty		1		1
  3rd down eff		5-15		7-17
  4th down eff		0-0		0-0
  Total net yards	293		300
    total plays		60		74
    avg gain		4.9		4.1
  Net yards rushing	112		160		
    rushes		40		51
    avg. per rush	2.8		3.1
  Net yards passing	181		140
    Completed-att.	8-20		10-23
    Sacked-yds lost	2-16		2-13
    had intercepted	0		0
  Punts-avg.		7-44		7-34
  Return yardage	20		56
    Punt ret.		2-20		3-56
    Kickoff ret.	3-84		4-80
    Interception ret	0-0		0-0
  Penalties-yds.	4-26		5-44
  Fumbles-lost		3-0		3-0
  Time of possession	27:59		32:01

    To give credit where it's due, Holy Cross hasn't lost a conference game
    since the middle of the 1988 season.  They only do play 5 conference
    games every year but there's at least one other team that can make that
    claim.
    
    Holy Cross, since that loss, is 35-0-1 in their Division 1-AA games and
    since the University of Massachusetts tied them in the 1990 opener,
    they've won 18 in a row for the longest winning streak in the country,
    after Williams had its winning streak snapped by Trinity earlier this
    year.
    
    While I'm not much of a Holy Cross fan, it's a great achievement and
    it's nice to see New England schools rack up such big winning streaks.
    
    John 

 >   Marty, you amaze me.  Here both teams end up with the dreaded tie and
 >   you're acting like NU won.  First you were satisfied with a 15-point
 >   home loss to Washington and now you're happy with a tie against CU.  I
 >   guess NU's inability to beat highly-ranked teams over the years has
 >   lowered your expectations severely.

Yes it has. My Husker expectations, and that of most Husker fans, were out
of proportion. I have admitted that previously.

 >   Oh, and a couple of realistic reminders:  Even if NU goes to the Orange
 >   Bowl remember they're still not Big 8 Champions - they'll just share
 >   the title with CU.  And NU still hasn't beaten CU the past 3 seasons,
 >   despite what you want to believe in your Big Red fantasyland.

Who in "Big Red Fantasyland" has said that NU beat CU in the last 3 years?
NO ONE HAS. You are the one on the defensive here.

 
  >  You try to call the CU fans disrespectful yet you come out with a
  >  remark like this.  You're blowing the snowball incidents way out of
  >  proportion.  They were coming from the student section and like
  >  Waugaman said it sure would be different if it happened in Lincoln. 
  >  These type of incidents are very typical of college crowds around the
  >  country.

DEAD WRONG !!!  IF, IF, IF it happened in Lincoln I would be the FIRST to
condem it. However the point is it dosent happen in Lincoln. Now I'm sure 
there are some you know what holes in Lincoln that pull stunts. But nothing
like what I saw Saturday night. And no, it's not typical of what happens
all around the country. THat's bull.

  >  Once again, in your mind.  Sure, NU outplayed CU in the 4th quarter,
  >  but they had to do so to salvage a TIE.  That's right, a TIE.  The game
  >  was a TIE Marty.  And you're saying CU was lucky to tie.  That was a
  >  good defensive play on the blocked FG, not a lucky break.

I'm not saying CU was fortunate to tie based on that one play. Add that together
with a TD called back and the 3 point turnaround on the PAT. How often does a
play like that happen? This may be the first time ever, and that is what gave
CU it's tie. Without that play NU wins outright. Yes, CU was VERT fortunate.    This is funny.  No, make that hilarious.  If OU beats NU, CU does go
Even without the clip controversy thrown in Cu was very, very fortunate.
Hell, if the shoe was on the other foot you would be squacking just like me
about a clip. What if they dident call the clip on Rockets return last year?
Whoa boy, you guys would have been in an uproar. This is no different but I
have not made a huge deal over it. Geesh, even Glenn brought it up.

  >  courtesy of OU but not of luck.  You see, the Big Eight champ is
  >  determined by who has a better record in the conference.  If NU loses
  >  to OU then CU ends up with a better record and therefore played better
  >  ball throughout the conference schedule and therefore deserves the
  >  outright Big Eight title.

You state the OBVIOUIS. Remember, NU and it's fans have been involved in this
game for much longer than CU. We know this stuff and your statements here are
true. But the point is that CU is relegated to a big * IF *. They do not have
control of their destiny and that is why NU has the edge out of the tie. Yes,
it is a slim edge but it is an edge.

I know how hard it is for you CU folks to have to pull for OU. I've been in 
that position many times. It's a sour taste.

I'm tellin ya, I really don't think OU is going to beat NU. There are specific
reasons for this that will be discussed as the '91 shootout approaches.

Things are semi-back to the old way again in the big-8. The Orange bowl once
again boils down to NU vs OU. Only the difference is who goes if NU looses.

    Marty, as far as going to the Orange Bowl, don't count your chickens
    before they hatch.  Kind of like those NU players who were whooping it
    up on bench before the last-second FG attempt.  And even if NU goes to
    the Orange, they still only share the Big Eight title with CU.
    
    
    Joe

    
    	As far as the game goes, I felt the two biggest factos resulting
    	in CU not winning  were:
    
    	1)  CU's punter sniffed big time.  It seemed like Nebraska started
    	    near midfield every possession in the 2cd half.  CU's punter
    	    shanked about 3 punts to give them great field position.
    
    	2)  Renfro (left DT) getting hurt.  Nebraska wasn't running the
    	    ball worth a damn until he went out.  The kid is a stud and
    	    he's only a sophomore!
    
    	Claybroon

    While Marty may be mouthing off and indeed may need to get a life, I
    thought also that the Colorado fans at the game had little to no class. 
    The ESPN announcers pointed out that no oranges were thrown on the
    field at Lincoln last year, even though Colorado won.  There's a
    certain humility that is around teams and fans who have been winners
    for a long time and I believe Nebraska has that while Colorado doesn't
    seem to.  I think that's what ticks the Nebraskans off the most about
    Colorado.  I also think that to a Nebraskan, Oklahoma is the big rival,
    not Colorado.
    
    On the field?  I believe both teams conducted themselves with a lot of
    class.  I believe the game was well-played and very even and the breaks
    tended to even out.  If these teams played 3 times, I imagine there
    wouldn't be more that a TD difference either way.  Neither team should
    be complaining and I don't think anyone has the right to say "even
    though we tied, we really won the game."  Bah, humbug.  I have no
    complaints about either team and the only thing I never really liked
    about Colorado was its questionable use of the death of Sal Aunese.
    
    Nebraska could have gotten a big monkey off its back if they'd won in
    Boulder.  They didn't.  Now they have to face the same questioning and
    doubt when Oklahoma comes to Lincoln.
    
    The bottom line is - no matter who goes to the Orange Bowl, neither
    team can claim supremacy over the other this year.
    
    John

re: .335

Does anyone have seperate 1st and 2nd half stats?

    
    	Sal again eh?  Anybody in here that knew Sal?  I didn't think
    	so.  Who has the right to tell a close-knit football team how
    	to handle the death of a team member?  What if said member
    	chose to inspire his mates with words to the effect of "Go, win
    	the big 8, and bring home the Orange Bowl"?  Is this bad?  Is
    	this just shallow, unjustified use of a person's death?  
    
    	I remember the Buffs trying to keep it private.  The media chose
    	to glorify the whole situation.  Makes for good print you know.
    
    	BTW, anybody see the shameless display by Iowa this weekend?
    	Can you believe the way they would use the deaths of some of
    	their fellow students to help them win a football game?
    
    	Claybroon

re: Claybroon

I have a life, a very good one, thank you.

You CU fan's are JUST as predictable in your reactions as I. You are at least
as parisan as I. In fact, you guys (in general) are guilty of over-enthusiasm
this year blocking your view of reality. Every CU fan I knew said EMPHATICALLY
that CU would win this year and they based it on play vs basically weak Big-8
teams and solid EMOTION.

Maybee when you've been around the Big-8 title hunt as long as us NU fans have
been and will be, you will have a more accurate perspective of things before
the big game.

I've learned my lesson and you guys helped me learn it. Now learn it yourselves.

Nebraska Marty 

    
    	You seem to forget who you're talking (writing) to.  I didn't
    	throw any snowballs or oranges.  Yet, you lump all CU fans 
    	together and tell 'em to all go "EAT you know what".  I didn't
    	appreciate it at all.
    
    	The only thing you're guilty of is lumping us (CU fans) all 
    	together.  There's no blockage of reality here and there's
    	no way I'm as partisan as you.  After all, you yourself said
    	NU football is a way of life for Nebraska fans (hence my
    	comments).  I don't live and die for CU football.  I enjoy
    	watching them play and will defend them from time to time
    	if I feel they need defending.
    
    	You make it sound as if there is a qualification process,
    	based on your team's success in the past, to make predictions/
    	analysis on games.  It is to laugh.  Just cuz your team has
    	had great success and mine only recently does not disqualify
    	me.  Sounds like a bit of Big Red snobbery.
    
    	Claybroon

> Who in "Big Red Fantasyland" has said that NU beat CU in the last 3 years?
> NO ONE HAS. You are the one on the defensive here.

    But it's the 2nd time in 3 years you claim NU is the better team
    despite not winning the game.  Marty, I remember you saying after CU's
    '89 11-1 season how tough it is to stay on top and CU probably couldn't
    do that.  Well, look where we are 2 years later.  CU swept OU and NU
    last year and went 1-0-1 against them this in what was supposed to be a
    rebuilding year.  And in the next couple of years CU will continue to
    be at or near the top of the conference.  CU has legitimately arrived.
 
> However the point is it dosent happen in Lincoln. 
    
    What about during a basketball game in Lincoln the season right after
    Sal died? ('89-'90 basketball season)  CU was playing at Lincoln and
    some fans held up a banner saying "Where's Sal Now?"  
    
    Now are all NU fans that classless?  No.  And all those snowballs were
    coming from the student section and is not an indication of how CU fans
    act in general.  
    
    
    Joe

Al right, here it is.

I am on line right now:

	Nebraska will beat Oklahoma by more than 9. Save this reply for future
	reference. I know you will and you know who you are !!!    ;^)

This is a completely different matchup than the CU/NU situation. If you will
recall my earlier note to Joe as to why I would not predict the NU/CU clash
I stated that I would not predict because the matchup was too close and there
were too many unknown factors about these teams. I was correct for once.

I feel much more safe about the NU/OU matchup this year. I feel OU has dropped
a notch or 2 from last year and NU has picked it up a few notches (Last years
NU team was just not that good IMHO).

Factors:

	NU has shown character this year. Ability to come from behaind and
	they have shown good focus. Now with their goal in sight I feel that
	the focus will become even stronger.

	NU's offense is well balanced. This was demonstrated in the CU game
	after McCant settled down (He publicly stated to the press that he
	was "nervous" n the 1st half of the CU game - I think the bomb to
	Bostick at the end of the half helped him a lot). He is a good passer
	and with Bostick and Mitchell he has good recievers. I need not say anything about the Husker ground game.

	The NU defense getting better.

	OU just isent the same this year. I know they have the potential to
	beat Nebraska but I just can't see it this year.

	Nebraska wants that Orange Bowl badly. The NU players firmly believe
	to a man that they are the best team the Big-8 has to send and they
	want to prove it.

Well there I go with the KOD. 

Nebraska Marty

    
    Speaking as a fan whose team "deserves" respect for being in the
    Big-8 hunt nearly every year, can a certain someone tell me what 
    Tom Osborne's record is in games he's needed to win against Oklahoma 
    in order to go to the Orange Bowl?  By my count, it's 2-11, but a 
    couple of those games in the 1970s may not have been for the Orange 
    Bowl; I'm not sure.  In any case, Osborne has only won twice under 
    such circumstances, in 1978-- perhaps Nebraska's last upset of *any* 
    team and a game that only earned them a revenge defeat at the hands
    of those same Sooners, and in 1988, when they sloshed out a 7-3 win 
    in the rain against Barry Switzer's final, mediocre Sooner team.  Not 
    too impressive, folks, and hardly confidence-building...
    
    Still, it'd be nice if Colorado would lend some incentive to the
    Sooners by dumping the Kansas game in two weeks.  If Oklahoma's
    not playing for the Orange and Nebraska is, I don't feel excessively
    confident about the Sooners' resolve either, especially under Gary 
    Gibbs.
    
    What's the big deal about throwing oranges on the field?  Used to
    be a Big-8 tradition and a source of pride, not of scorn.  I didn't
    notice at what points in the game the Colorado fans were doing it, 
    but the Oklahoma fans definitely used to after touchdowns in the big 
    Nebraska games, and no one thought anything of it.  Snowballs are
    another matter entirely, of course, but it's not to often there's
    snow on the ground in November in Norman.  ;-)
    
    glenn
     

  No matter what anybody said, this was definately the biggest game of the
  year for both CU and NU. After the game, Johnny Mitchell and some of the
  NU fans were talking like they won the game even though it was a tie.
  Whether they realize it or not, such enthusiasm over a tie shows respect 
  for the other team. I'll speak for myself and say that I have a lot of 
  respect for the Nebraska Cornhuskers, their coaches and fans. I hope they 
  will admit the same. Rivalries in any sport are good. Animosity is not.

  The most amazing fact of the game was that there was no turnovers by either 
  side. I'll give a lot of credit to both teams and their coaching staffs for
  a job well done. This game was college football at it's best. Hard hits,
  great plays, come from behind scores, marching bands, cheer leaders, crazy
  fans, defenses that would bend but not break, incredibly cold weather and not 
  an empty seat in the stadium on the last play.  

  I was disappointed that CU didn't win the game. They had their chances to
  break it open. At least on the last play of the game, they were the ones who
  made the best effort. With the injuries to Hagan, Warren, Hill, Henry and 
  Renfro I can't help but think that they may have won if they were healthy
  for the whole game. But then again, nobody really knows what would have
  happened if they were all healthy for the whole game.

  The rest of CU's schedule includes Okla. St., Kansas and Iowa State. Kansas
  could give CU a tough time but I expect a win each game. All in all, I've
  been happy with the Buffs this year. Everybody expected them to finish 3rd
  in the Big 8. Now, it looks like they'll either be co-champs or win it 
  outright. With their freshman and sophmore talent, they will surely be a 
  major power in the coming years and no longer the doormat of the Big 8.   

  Go Sooners!!! Beat the Huskers!! (I never thought anybody would ever hear
  me say that)

					Keith
					

Hey guys, relax. I just send CU to the Orange Bowl by predicting an NU win
over those Okie's.     ;^)

By the way, in the USENET (a nationwide network) folks are all over the Buff
fans for their behavior on national TV Saturday night. You see, it's not just
me or NU fans. You CU folks are shelted here in this state. You don't get the
nationwide perspective.

Husker Henderson

Do you think there is any chance of the Orange Bowl pulling a '78 and inviting
CU as NU's opponent in Miami on Jan. 1?

For those of you who are unaware of what I'm refering to, in 1978 Nebraska
upset #1 Oklahoma then lost to Mizzou. This set up a tie for the big-8 with
NU and OU both 6-1. Since NU beat OU the Huskers got the automatic bowl bid.
The Orange Bowl shocked everyone by giving the other bid to Oklahoma. OU, being
the better team that year beat NU by 7 in the Orange bowl.

I personally don't think it'll happen but I'd like to see it. Then it could
be settled once for all (This year, and for the rematch I would flat out
predice a Husker victory).

Would you guys/gals like to see this happen? Do you think it will/could?

Nebraska Marty

    I would like to see it.  If they end up tied for the title after tying
    each other, it would be a fair way to settle it and I think it would be
    the most attractive matchup the Orange Bowl could make.  Major
    independents such as Miami, Florida State and Notre Dame are likely to
    head for greener pastures,  Washington is most likely to go to the Rose
    Bowl.  Both teams bring a lot of fans with them, so it's attractive
    from that viewpoint.
    
    I think it's the best matchup the Orange Bowl could make.  I say they
    should do it.
    
    John

    
> I personally don't think it'll happen but I'd like to see it. Then it could
> be settled once for all (This year, and for the rematch I would flat out
> predice a Husker victory).

> Would you guys/gals like to see this happen? Do you think it will/could?
  
    Speaking as a fan of college football and of the Big-8 (but not of 
    either team), a rematch wouldn't hold a lot of appeal for me.  I'd 
    rather see both teams go out into the world, so to speak, and find 
    out how the Big-8 stacks up in matchups against other conferences.  
    That's a big part of the attraction of the bowl season.
    
    It really isn't the same situation as 1978 (and even then Nebraska
    wasn't happy about it, and I can't say as I blame them).  Neither
    of the two teams this year can hold a candle to 1978 OU or NU, in 
    my opinion.  There's really not a whole lot riding on proof of who's
    really the best this year.  In 1978, Oklahoma had only the one loss,
    which they were able to avenge, and had a marginal claim on the
    national championship with Alabama and USC (damn you Huskers!  The
    Billy Sims fumble inside the five after a great run was the most 
    frustrating moment *ever* for me as a Sooner fan!).  Settle the NU-CU 
    standoff next year.  It's worth waiting for...
    
    glenn
    

                     Conf.      All
    Nebraska          3-0-1     6-1-1
    Colorado          3-0-1     5-2-1
    Oklahoma          3-1       6-2
    Kansas            2-2       5-3
    Iowa St.          1-2-1     3-4-1
    Kansas St.        1-3       4-4
    Missouri          1-3       3-4-1
    Oklahoma St.      0-3-1     0-7-1
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Colorado (-28) at Oklahoma State
    Nebraska (-14.5) at Kansas
    Oklahoma (-18) at Missouri
    Kansas State (-4) at Iowa State    

    Joe

    I would like to see the rematch, but as I mentioned in another note
    I don't think the Orange Bowl would want any part of it.  Do you think
    the rest of the country would be care about it as much as they did
    about the first game?  The opponent for the Big 8 in the Orange will
    probably be Miami, FSU, or Notre Dame.
    
    I remember the '78 rematch pretty well and Glenn's right that NU
    wasn't happy about it and rightfully so.  They had already had their
    annual grudge match with OU and come out on top.  But this year a
    rematch would make sense with the tie.
    
    
    Joe
    

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan"  5-NOV-1991 12:52:06.32
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Subj:	NU 19, Colorado 19

(Sorry about the delay, but I had a 9AM flight on Sunday to Pittsburgh, where
my son was checking out Carnegie Mellon.)

Nebraska came within an elbow of beating Colorado, as CU's Greg Thomas blocked
a 41 yard field goal attempt on the last play of the game which would have
won the game.  Instead, the game wound up a 19-19 tie, leaving the Big Eight
conference title unresolved until Nebraska plays Oklahoma the day after
Thanksgiving, and the Orange Bowl in a bind, because bowl bids will be locked 
up well before then.

In a game in which both teams played well at times and poorly at other times,
the dominating force may well have been the zero degree temperature.  Kicking
games played a major role:  Nebraska had the winning field goal blocked, and
a blocked extra point at the end of the first half was returned 85 yards
for a two-point Colorado score, in effect a three-point swing.  Instead of
a 10-10 halftime score, Colorado went in to their (warm) dressing room with
a 12-9 lead.  Nebraska's punt game was 10 yards better than Colorado's, on
average, as the CU punter shanked a couple of them.  

CU nose tackle Jeff Brunner said, "Maybe a game like this should end up a
tie."  NU kicker Byron Bennett would like a rematch, as would many other NU
players, although the Orange Bowl is unlikely to oblige, even though they did 
rematch NU and OU in 1979.  (At the time, a VERY unpopular move in Lincoln.)

NU I-back Derek Brown, held to 96 yards for his first sub-100 yard game this
season, had most of NU's 112 rushing yards, and would have had 100 had he
not been stopped for negative yards several times early in the game; 
NU was in negative rushing yards for much of the first half.

Scoring and Stats:

Nebraska       3  6  3  7  -  19
Colorado       7  5  7  0  -  19

NU - Bennett 27 yd FG
CU - Hagan 11 yd run (Harper kick)
CU - Harper 27 yd FG
NU - Bostick 49 yd pass from McCant (kick blocked)
CU - Biekert 85 yard blocked PAT return
NU - Bennett 35 yard FG
CU - Hagan 4 yard run (Harper kick)
NU - D. Brown 7 yard run (Bennett kick)
Attendance:  52,319
                            NU          CU
First downs                 15          19
Rushes-yards            40-112      51-160
Passing yards              181         140
Total yards                293         300
Return yards                20          56
Passing                 8-20-0     10-23-0
Punts                   7-43.6      7-33.6
Fumbles-lost               3-0         3-0
Penalties-yards           4-26        5-44
Time of possession       27:59       32:01
Third-down conversions    5-15        7-15

Individual stats:

Rushing
   CU:  Warren 17-55, Hagan 19-40, Hill 8-40, Kahl 3-12, Bussey 1-7, 
        V. Joseph 1-4, Phillips 1-1, Westbrook 1-1
   NU:  D. Brown 30-96, McCant 8-11, Lewis 1-6, Hughes 1- -1
Passing
   CU:  Hagan 10-22-0-140, V. Joseph 0-1-0-0
   NU:  McCant 8-20-0-181
Receiving:
   CU:  S. Brown 4-60, Warren 2-35, Westbrook 2-17, R. Smith 1-17, 
        C. Johnson 1-11
   NU:  Mitchell 2-70, Bostick 2-59, Turner 2-32, Garrett 1-12, D. Brown 1-8
Punting:
   CU:  Berger 7-235 (33.6)
   NU:  Stigge 7-305 (43.6)
Punt returns:
   CU:  Hagan 3-56
   NU:  Turner 1-11, Hughes 1-9
Kickoff returns:
   CU:  Hueson 2-38, C. Johnson 1-28, Mitchell 1-14
   NU:  Highes 2-62, D. Brown 1-22

Note--If CU and NU end up with identical conference records, the Orange Bowl
selects the Big Eight representative, probably based on overall record or 
position in the polls.  
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan"  7-NOV-1991 15:11:49.81
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Subj:	Husker Notes, Nov 7th

Administrivia--the list is about to go international!  We've received a
request from a Creighton alum (but NU fan) in Israel.

I either lost or misplaced the paper with the depth chart info on it,
so you might not get that information this week.  Sorry.

The NU-CU game controversy hasn't stopped yet.  TE Johnny Mitchell, whose
remarks were widely distributed in Boulder last week, is still talking
and the newspapers are still printing it.  Ah, well.

Today's World-Herald is full of letters complaining about the Colorado
fans.  As I said on USENET, it wasn't all that long ago that oranges on the
turf were common at NU games.  (In fact, they used to have them at the
student cafeterias on campus on game days--dumb idea!)  It took one striking
an NU security officer (and nearly crippling him) to get the practice
quelled at NU, I only hope Coloradans wise up faster than that.  A snowball 
thrown from 30 or 40 rows up could almost be classified as a deadly weapon.

There was an all-Nebraska trade in the Continental Basketball Association
yesterday.  The Tri-City (Wash) Chinook traded forward Tony Farmer to 
Sioux Falls for guard Clifford Scales.

They ought to recruit Glen Mason for the Huskers Booster Club, except that
his employer, the University of Kansas, might object.  Mason, the KU football
coach, has great respect for Tom Osborne's record at Nebraska.  "To win the
way he has for the number of years he's been at Nebraska--or anyplace-- is
unbelievable.... If it sounds as if I'm jealous, I am.  And so are a lot
of other people."

You might think that with NU playing in Lawrence KS this week that Memorial
Stadium in Lincoln would be empty, but it won't be.  The bad weather has
caused several Omaha-area high school playoff games to be moved to Lincoln.

Oklahoma doesn't have the monopoly on sexual harassment charges in the Big
Eight anymore.  As many as seven members of the UNL Women's swimming team
have claimed that coach Ray Huppert was hugging them or patting them after 
they did something well.  NU Athletic Director Bob Devaney says 'He was a 
little more friendly than he should be', but that the issue has been dealt 
with at the university level and is now a closed matter.  Huppert's attorney 
is upset that the matter was made public, and says "any allegations of 
touching in inappropriate places is patently false".  Although it has been 
announced that any member of the team may leave without jeopardizing her 
scholarship, so far there have been no changes.  (BTW, OU apparently edited a 
two-second clip of Anita Hill out of the promo that they run during televised 
football games.)
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 10-NOV-1991 13:14:15.64
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Subj:	Kansas 23, Nebraska 59

Kansas 23, Nebraska 59

It's hard to decide who was more amazed, sports fans around the country
when they heard the first quarter score:  Kansas 17--Nebraska 0, or NU
redshirt freshman Calvin Jones when he read this morning's paper and saw 
that he really DID have 294 yards and 6 TD's against Kansas yesterday.
(Both were Nebraska records, 6 TD's is also a Big Eight record.)  Calvin,
NU's 3rd string I-back at the start of the season, came into the game when
Derek Brown removed himself because he had blurry vision after being poked
in the eye.  Brown had 75 yards on 13 carries before coming out.

NU Coach Tom Osborne, not known to have much interest in records, told
Calvin that he was only a yard or so away from the record, "so when you 
go in there, you get it."  Calvin responded with a six yard burst up the
middle.

The game started off poorly for NU, with a blocked punt giving Kansas the ball 
on the Nebraska 14 yard line.  An early goal line stand by the Blackshirts
held, and Kansas settled for a 19 yard Eichloff field goal.  The Huskers
next two possessions were non-productive, and Kansas took advantage of good
field position by going 71 yards in 3 plays, and then 57 yards in 4 plays
to go up 17-0.

In the second quarter, NU got the wind at its back, and got the offense in
gear, with an 80 yard 15 play drive for their first score, a 47 yard Bennett
field goal following an interception, and NU tied the game at 17-17 on Calvin
Jone's 47 yard run, up to that point his longest run from scrimmage in a
Nebraska uniform.  KU wasn't ready for halftime yet, and regained the lead
with a 21 yard field goal capping off a 76 yard 14 play drive, the first
points scored in the game against the wind, with just 23 seconds left in the 
half.  On the ensuing short kickoff, Hawkins nearly broke free, but the half
ended with a missed field goal attempt by Bennett.

Whatever Charlie McBride told his defensive troops at halftime must have 
worked, because they gave up only 102 yards to Kansas in the second half,
only 26 yards in the 4th quarter, and just three points.  Meanwhile,
NU scored on all six of its possessions in the second half, four of them
by the Calvin Jones Express, with TD runs of 9, 1, 68, and 12 yards.  Jones's
294 yards surpassed Mike Rozier's 285 yard performance against Kansas in 1983.
Kansas fans must have been experiencing deja vu, perhaps remembering NU reserve 
running back Craig Johnson, who gained most of his NU yards against Kansas, and
still holds the NU single-game average yardage record for his 1978 performance
of 192 yards in 10 attempts.

NU assistant head coach Frank Solich, who works with running backs, said that
despite Jones's record, he might not make first string if Derek Brown is
healthy.  "I don't want people to forget what Derek has done, week after week,
in tough situations, for entire games.  We'll work the playing time problem
out as we go along."

Scoring and statistics:

Nebraska       0  17  14  28  - 59
Kansas        17   3   3   0  - 23

KU: Eichloff 19 yard FG
KU: Changler 50 yard pass from Hilleary (Eichloff kick)
KU: Hilleary 34 yard run (Eichloff kick)
NU: Jones 3 yard run (Eichloff kick)
NU: Bennett 47 yard FG
NU: Jones 47 yard run (Bennett kick)
KU: Eichloff 21 yard FG
NU: Jones 9 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Jones 1 yard run (Bennett kick)
KU: Eichloff 52 yard FG
NU: Jones 68 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Jones 12 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Achola 31 yard run (Sieler kick)
NU: Achola 15 yard run (Sieler kick)
Attendance estimate: 40,000

                             NU          KU
First downs                  32          15
Rushes-yards             60-490      35-145
Passing yards               103         210
Total yards                 593         255
Return yards                 16          32
Passing                 12-20-0     11-26-2
Punts                      3-26        5-38
Fumbles-lost                1-0         0-0
Penalties-yards             1-5        4-35
Time of possession        33:47       26:13
Third-down conversions     9-12        3-13
Fourth-down conversions     0-0         1-1

Individual stats:

Rushing:
  NU:  C. Jones 27-294, D. Brown 13-75, Achola 6-61, McCant 8-43, Lewis 3-4,
       Johnk 1-9, Joseph 1-4, Glantz 1-0
  KU:  Sands 11-56, Cozzens 10-49, Hilleary, 7-24, Robben 2-7, White 4-2,
       Thomas 1-2
Passing:
  NU:  McCant 9-17-0, 71 yards, Joseph 3-3-0, 32 yards
  KU:  Hilleary 11-25-1, 210 yards, Thomas 0-1-0, 0 yards

Receiving:
  NU:  Turner 4-35, Bostick 2-18, Mitchell 2-12, Leise 1-016, D. Brown 1-9,
       Dixon 1-9, C. Jones 1-4
  KU:  Drayton 6-86, New 2-41, Chandler 1-50, White 1-23, Gay 1-10

Punting:
  NU:  Stigge 2-53 (26.5 ave, 1 blocked), KU:  Eichloff 5-190 (38 ave)

Kickoff returns:
  NU:  Hawkins 2-38
  KU:  Bowen 3-67, White 3-24

Interception returns:
  NU:  Wilhite 2-16

NU Injury reports:  Derek Brown may have a bruised cornea, Kenny Wilhite may
   have a torn ligament in his knee.
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  CU beats OSU, 16-12, with a very exciting last minute in the game and
  a fake field goal which nobody, including the CU fans, expected.

  Obviously, CU came out flat after all the injuries and their sister 
  kissing game with Nebraska. I think Hagan had the worst day of his 
  career at CU. He threw 3 first half interceptions which equaled
  his season total up to the OSU game. But in all fairness, OSU was putting
  a lot of pressure on him each time he went back to pass. There was one
  OSU lineman(can't remember his name) who repeatedly beat the CU blocker and
  was chasing Hagan all day. CU's offensive line is still the team's biggest
  weakness by far. In the 1st half, CU had a total of 5 turnovers but the
  defense played good and limited OSU to 3 points.

  In the 2nd half, OSU never could move the ball well against CU but they did
  block a punt and score a short TD soon after. Ted johson intercepted an
  OSU pass in the 3rd quarter but fumbled it back to OSU on the run back.
  If he had held onto the ball, I'm sure CU would have put the game away at
  that time. CU's offense never did get on track but there were 2 incredible 
  QB scrambles(the 1st by Hagan, the 2nd by Vance Joseph when Hagan got 
  injured) which kept them alive. With 14 seconds left and no CU timeouts 
  left, CU lined up for a 37 yard field goal attempt. OSU called a timeout 
  to ice the kicker. During the timeout, Coach Mac decided to try a fake 
  filed gaol and go for a TD. OSU called a 2nd timeout. They finally lined 
  up and snapped the ball. On TV, it looked like OSU got good penetration and 
  blocked the kick but the holder, Robby James, picked up the ball just 
  before the kicker's leg came through. He ran to the right and then passed 
  to a wide open Christian Furia who ran for 20 yards and the game winning 
  TD. I don't think anybody in the stadium or anybody who watched on TV 
  expected a fake kick. It was one of Mac's greatest calls.
  
  Lamont Warren injured his shoulder again. The last I heard, he will miss
  the rest of the season but should be ready for a bowl game. In the off 
  season, he'll have surgery. Chad Brown came out of the game twice because 
  of injuries but was able to finish the game. Has anybody heard any more news 
  about CU's injuries ? What about Hagan ? Will he be able to play next
  week ?

					Keith

    I never thought CU could lose to OSU even with a flat performance, but
    when it came down to the end CU was only a missed FG/fake away from a
    huge upset.  You can blame the 6 turnovers by CU, but OSU had 4
    themselves.  The Buffs dropped 2 spots in the polls, and deservedly so.
    
    I was having some work done on my car and was listening to the radio as
    my wife was driving me there to pick it up.  There was only a few
    minutes left and CU was trailing 12-10.  (I wasn't really listening too
    close 'cuz I was still beaming from Tennessee's big comeback).  Anyway,
    I came out of the shop and got in may car only to hear the announcer
    saying 'They're probably already celebrating in Lincoln'.  I said s#!t,
    they're actually going to lose to OSU.  Well, it was still CU's ball
    but 4th and 14 and to top it off Joseph was in at QB.  CU managed to
    convert this one, but I didn't fully appreciate that 4th and 14 play
    until I saw the replay that night.  What an incredible scramble by
    Joseph.  The fake was a good call if you consider CU's kicking history
    this season.  Before the kick I didn't think he would make it. 
    Interesting thing you mentioned about the timeouts before the fake,
    Keith.  CU didn't plan on faking before the timeouts, but Mac and a
    graduate assistant got talking about it during the first timeout.  It
    was only 3rd down, so the grad asst. said to McCartney at least it's
    3rd down so if it's a bad snap, we'll have another shot.  Mac said that
    wouldn't be the case because they were out of timeouts and the clock
    would run out.  But it got him to thinking about a fake where an
    incomplete pass would stop the clock and they could still try the FG on
    4th down.  Maybe after hearing that one teams will think twice about
    calling timeouts to freeze a kicker before he tries a last-second kick!
    
    NU fans, this was actually better for you guys anyway.  You see, if CU
    had lost, that would've brought OU back into contention for the league
    title and the Sooners could've won it outright by beating the Huskers
    on the day after Thanksgiving.  Therefore, OU would've been coming to
    Lincoln with much more incentive.  But nevertheless, OU will still be
    ready play against NU.
    
    RE: Hagan's injury
    I haven't heard anything since yesterday, but the ankle was said to be
    sore after the game so I would guess it's minor and he'll be back this
    week against the Jayhawks.
    
    Speaking of KU, they got me a bit excited there with that 17-0 lead in
    the 1st quarter but it sure didn't last.  KU led 20-17 at halftime but
    it must've been all NU in the 2nd half.  Kansas, how in the hell do you
    blow a 17-point lead at home????  Well, I don't know, but....
    
    
    
     I guess you could ask Notre Dame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
     :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
    
     
    Absolutely could not resist that one!
    
    
    
    Joe
       

    
    You got that right, Joe!  Husker fans, if anything, should have been
    rooting *for* Colorado, to make their team look all the better.  But 
    we Sooner fans were pretty damn torn up about it when we saw that 
    fake field goal replay (ESPN was monitoring the game live, as it 
    happened, during their halftime show).
        
    Still, would it be asking too much of Kansas to take Colorado to
    the wire just one more time?  Kansas is vastly superior to Oklahoma 
    State...
    
    glenn
    

    Chairman of the Fiesta committee Don Meyers said his bowl is trying to
    arrange a deal with the Big 8 where OU or CU will end up in Tempe on
    New Year's day.  Bowls can't deal with individual schools before Sunday
    but can deal through conference offices.  The arrangement may be
    completed tomorrow Wednesday and would work like this:  If NU goes to
    the Orange CU would go to the Fiesta and OU to the Aloha.  If CU goes
    to the Orange NU would go to the Gator and OU to the Fiesta.
    
    RE: KU-CU
    I think CU will come out on fire and win easily after the poor showing
    against OSU.  After the terrible game against Stanford the Buffs came
    back strong the next 2 weeks.
    
    If there's one thing that bothers me about this CU team it's their
    ability to play down to teams like Stanford and OSU, although Stanford
    is turning into a likely bowl team.  I hope it's just due to their
    youth and they get it out of their system before next season.  
    
    
    Joe

    Lamont Warren will need surgery for his dislocated shoulder after the
    season but will probably play against Kansas on Saturday.  He will play
    with a special harness.
    
    Hagan is probable for Saturday.
    
    Mark Henry is about 80 percent.
    
    
    Joe

                     Conf.      All
    Nebraska          4-0-1     7-1-1
    Colorado          4-0-1     6-2-1
    Oklahoma          4-1       7-2
    Kansas St.        2-3       5-4
    Kansas            2-3       5-4
    Iowa St.          1-3-1     3-5-1
    Missouri          1-4       3-5-1
    Oklahoma St.      0-4-1     0-8-1
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Kansas (+19.5) at Colorado
    Missouri (+9) at Kansas State
    Iowa State (+38) at Nebraska
    Oklahoma State (+30) at Oklahoma

    Joe

    CU's nonleague schedules for the next 4 years:
    
    1992
    COLORADO STATE
    at Baylor
    at Minnesota
    IOWA
    
    1993
    TEXAS
    BAYLOR
    at Stanford
    MIAMI (FL)
    
    1994
    Colorado State (site TBA)
    at Texas
    WISCONSIN
    at Michigan
    
    1995
    COLORADO STATE
    at Wisconsin
    SAN JOSE STATE
    TEXAS A&M
    
    

       It will be nice to see CU play teams like Miami, Michigan and Iowa.
    
    	Tim

  Yes, I agree, it will be nice to see CU play some of the traditional
  powers. 1993 will be especially tough with Texas, Baylor, Standford and
  Miami. By that time, Warren, Westbrook, Hudson and Stewart will be Juniors 
  and Renfro, Hill and Joseph will be seniors. The team should be peaking 
  around that time. They'll need to be experienced and peaking since the 
  pre-season schedule doesn't have any easy teams.

		Keith

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Subject: Big Eight Review (Nov 9)
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Scott is in the Big Apple this week, so I'm pinch-hitting.  (Yeah, I know, 
that's the wrong analogy for a football newsgroup.)
 
Results:
 
Nebraska 59, Kansas 23
Colorado 16, Oklahoma State 12
Kansas State 37, Iowa State 7
Oklahoma 56, Missouri 16
 
 
Kansas 23, Nebraska 59
 
It's hard to decide who was more amazed, sports fans around the country
when they heard the first quarter score:  Kansas 17--Nebraska 0, or NU
redshirt freshman Calvin Jones when he read this morning's paper and saw 
that he really DID have 294 yards and 6 TD's against Kansas yesterday.
(Both were Nebraska records, 6 TD's is also a Big Eight record.)  Calvin,
NU's 3rd string I-back at the start of the season, came into the game when
Derek Brown removed himself because he had blurry vision after being poked
in the eye.  Brown had 75 yards on 13 carries before coming out.
 
NU Coach Tom Osborne, not known to have much interest in records, told
Calvin that he was only a yard or so away from the record, "so when you 
go in there, you get it."  Calvin responded with a six yard burst up the
middle.
 
The game started off poorly for NU, with a blocked punt giving Kansas the ball 
on the Nebraska 14 yard line.  An early goal line stand by the Blackshirts
held, and Kansas settled for a 19 yard Eichloff field goal.  The Huskers
next two possessions were non-productive, and Kansas took advantage of good
field position by going 71 yards in 3 plays, and then 57 yards in 4 plays
to go up 17-0.
 
In the second quarter, NU got the wind at its back, and got the offense in
gear, with an 80 yard 15 play drive for their first score, a 47 yard Bennett
field goal following an interception, and NU tied the game at 17-17 on Calvin
Jone's 47 yard run, up to that point his longest run from scrimmage in a
Nebraska uniform.  KU wasn't ready for halftime yet, and regained the lead
with a 21 yard field goal capping off a 76 yard 14 play drive, the first
points scored in the game against the wind, with just 23 seconds left in the 
half.  On the ensuing short kickoff, Hawkins nearly broke free, but the half
ended with a missed field goal attempt by Bennett.
 
Whatever Charlie McBride told his defensive troops at halftime must have 
worked, because they gave up only 102 yards to Kansas in the second half,
only 26 yards in the 4th quarter, and just three points.  Meanwhile,
NU scored on all six of its possessions in the second half, four of them
by the Calvin Jones Express, with TD runs of 9, 1, 68, and 12 yards.  Jones's
294 yards surpassed Mike Rozier's 285 yard performance against Kansas in 1983.
Kansas fans must have been experiencing deja vu, perhaps remembering NU reserve 
running back Craig Johnson, who gained most of his NU yards against Kansas, and
still holds the NU single-game average yardage record for his 1978 performance
of 192 yards in 10 attempts.
 
NU assistant head coach Frank Solich, who works with running backs, said that
despite Jones's record, he might not make first string if Derek Brown is
healthy.  "I don't want people to forget what Derek has done, week after week,
in tough situations, for entire games.  We'll work the playing time problem
out as we go along."
 
Scoring and statistics:
 
Nebraska       0  17  14  28  - 59
Kansas        17   3   3   0  - 23
 
KU: Eichloff 19 yard FG
KU: Changler 50 yard pass from Hilleary (Eichloff kick)
KU: Hilleary 34 yard run (Eichloff kick)
NU: Jones 3 yard run (Eichloff kick)
NU: Bennett 47 yard FG
NU: Jones 47 yard run (Bennett kick)
KU: Eichloff 21 yard FG
NU: Jones 9 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Jones 1 yard run (Bennett kick)
KU: Eichloff 52 yard FG
NU: Jones 68 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Jones 12 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU: Achola 31 yard run (Sieler kick)
NU: Achola 15 yard run (Sieler kick)
Attendance estimate: 40,000
 
                             NU          KU
First downs                  32          15
Rushes-yards             60-490      35-145
Passing yards               103         210
Total yards                 593         255
Return yards                 16          32
Passing                 12-20-0     11-26-2
Punts                      3-26        5-38
Fumbles-lost                1-0         0-0
Penalties-yards             1-5        4-35
Time of possession        33:47       26:13
Third-down conversions     9-12        3-13
Fourth-down conversions     0-0         1-1
 
Individual stats:
 
Rushing:
  NU:  C. Jones 27-294, D. Brown 13-75, Achola 6-61, McCant 8-43, Lewis 3-4,
       Johnk 1-9, Joseph 1-4, Glantz 1-0
  KU:  Sands 11-56, Cozzens 10-49, Hilleary, 7-24, Robben 2-7, White 4-2,
       Thomas 1-2
Passing:
  NU:  McCant 9-17-0, 71 yards, Joseph 3-3-0, 32 yards
  KU:  Hilleary 11-25-1, 210 yards, Thomas 0-1-0, 0 yards
 
Receiving:
  NU:  Turner 4-35, Bostick 2-18, Mitchell 2-12, Leise 1-016, D. Brown 1-9,
       Dixon 1-9, C. Jones 1-4
  KU:  Drayton 6-86, New 2-41, Chandler 1-50, White 1-23, Gay 1-10
 
Punting:
  NU:  Stigge 2-53 (26.5 ave, 1 blocked), KU:  Eichloff 5-190 (38 ave)
 
Kickoff returns:
  NU:  Hawkins 2-38
  KU:  Bowen 3-67, White 3-24
 
Interception returns:
  NU:  Wilhite 2-16
 
Colorado vs. Oklahoma State
        Saturday Nov.9 1991 Lewis Field  Stillwater Oklahoma
 
Colorado        0       3       7       6       16
Oklahoma State  0       3       0       9       12
 
OSU -- Myers 28yd FG
CU  -- Harper 24yd FG
CU  -- Smith 10yd pass from Hagan (Harper kick)
OSU -- Kirksey 7yd pass from Ford (Myers kick)
OSU -- Safety (blocked put out of end zone)
CU  -- Fauria 20yd pass from James (kick failed)
 
Attendance -- 25,000
 
                                CU          OSU
First Downs                     20           13
Rushes - yds                52-189       44-114
Passing yds                    156          118
Return yds                      63           14
Passes                     11-25-3      11-24-3
Punts                         7-31         9-41
Fumbles - lost                 5-3          1-1
Penalties - yds               5-46         2-21
Time of Possession           31:58        28:02
 
Individual Statistics
 
Rushing:    CU   Hill 10-57  Warren 13-48  Kahl 10-46
                 Phillips 2-15  Hagan 15-15  Joseph 1-10
                 Westbrook 1-(-2)
            OSU  Denson 18-41  Berrien  9-30  Ford 11-25
                 Franks 6-18
 
Passing:    CU   Hagan 9-19-3-119  Joseph 1-5-0-17
                 James 1-1-0-20
            OSU  Ford 11-24-3-118
 
Receiving:  CU   Brown 2-31  Westbrook 2-29  Warren 2-24
                 Fauria 1-20  Johnson 1-19  Hill 1-17
                 Smith 1-10  Embree 1-6
            OSU  Kirksey 3-42  Cheatwood 3-40  Milliner 2-19
                 Thompson 2-13  Markham 1-4
 
A turnover-filled game at Stillwater saw CU keep their Big 8 title
and Orange Bowl hopes alive with a sloppy -- and fortunate -- win
over the Oklahoma State Cowboys.
 
The Buffs came into the game against the winless Cowboys a little
banged up after last week's game against Nebraska, as DT Leonard
Renfro didn't make the trip, TB Lamont Warren still had a dislocated
shoulder, and other players with various minor injuries.  By the end
of the game Warren had left, injuring his shoulder again, and Hagan
had a minor ankle injury.
 
CU was very flat and emotionless, and plagued by turnovers throughout
the first half.  While the Buffs defense was tough as usual, stopping
OSU at every turn, CU's offense was handing the ball back with a fumble
and three interceptions, one of which led to OSU's three first-half
points.  CU managed to tie the game before halftime, and were fortunate
to be tied, the way they were playing.
 
The Buffs didn't look much better in the second half, but did manage to
get on the scoreboard with a Hagan TD pass to Rico Smith on a nice
catch, after their best drive of the afternoon.  But OSU came right back
to tie the game, then stopped CU deep in their territory, and blocked
the ensuing punt for a safety.
 
With very little time left in the game (about 2 minutes), CU began to
drive for the winning score from midfield after an OSU punt.  On 2nd
down Hagan injured his ankle, and sophmore QB Vance Joseph came into
the game cold to save the Buffs.  On 4th down and 14yds, Joseph made
an incredible scramble, evading three OSU tacklers behind the line of
scrimmage, and then, scrambling to his left, he threw off his wrong
foot to FB James Hill for 17yds and a first down.  The Buffs got the
ball down to the OSU 20yd line (or so), there were 14 seconds left.
After OSU called timeouts to ice Jim Harper, CU's placekicker, the Buffs
ran a fake FG, with holder Robbie James rolling away from the OSU rush
and passing to a wide open Christian Fauria (a very wobbly pass, but it
got there) for a TD to win the game.  Afterword CU coach Bill McCartney
said the plan was to ground the ball if the play didn't develop, and
then go again on 4th down.  An unbelievable way to win the game.
 
Oklahoma 56, Missouri 16
 
Mike Gaddis, coming back from major knee surgey, rushed for 217 yards and
4 TD's, including a 56 yard romp in the 2nd quarter.  
 
 
Oklahoma         7 27 14  7 - 56
Missouri         0  9  0  7 - 16
                       OU            MU
First downs            30            17
Rushes-yards       66-428        20-100
Passing yards         102           239
Return yards           78            11
Passing           11-15-1       18-37-4
Punting             3-120         4-169
Fumbles-lost          0-0           1-0
Penalties            9-72          5-49
Time of poss.       36:32         23:28
Attendance, 30,193
 
 
Kansas State 37, Iowa State 7
 
Paul Watson threw 3 TD's to Michael Smith and ran for another as Kansas State
won it's first road victory in six years.  Iowa State QB Kevin Caldwell had
50 yards rushing and a 41 yard TD to Lamont Hill in the first quarter, but only
gained 19 yard in 13 carries for the remainder of the game.
 
Kansas State       7 14  7  9 - 37
Iowa State         7  0  0  0 -  7
                     KS             ISU
First downs          23              12
Rushes-yards     44-231          47-124
Passing yards       209             152
Return yard          41              58
Passing         20-27-0          8-14-1
Punts              8-70            4-38
Fumbles-lost        1-1             1-1
Penalties          8-70            4-38
Time of poss.     32:43           27:17
Attendance 37,052
 
Next week (Nov 16th):
 
Iowa State at Nebraska
Kansas at Colorado
Oklahoma State at Oklahoma
Missouri at Kansas State
 
Conference Standings:
                               Conference         Overall
                                W  L  T           W  L  T
Nebraska                        4  0  1           7  1  1
Colorado                        4  0  1           6  2  1
Oklahoma                        4  1  0           7  2  0
Kansas State                    2  3  0           5  4  0
Kansas                          2  3  0           5  4  0
Iowa State                      1  3  1           3  5  1
Missouri                        1  4  0           3  5  1
Oklahoma State                  0  4  1           0  8  1
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Subject: Big Eight Preview (Nov 16th)
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Still substituting for Scott.  Now I realize how much work he puts into
this thing week after week.  I had to promise him I wouldn't show him up
on the accuracy of predictions.  :-)
 
Nebraska I-back Calvin Jones was Big Eight Offensive Player of the Week, also 
Sporting News Player of the Week.  Oklahoma State defensive end Jason Gildon 
was the Big Eight Defensive Player of the Week.
 
Sagarin's power ratings:
rank              rating     record     schedule strength
6  Nebraska        91.82      7-1-1         74.93  #11 in AP poll      
11 Colorado        87.48      6-2-1         75.69  #16 in AP poll
14 Oklahoma        86.03      7-2-0         70.43  #18 in AP poll
41 Kansas          75.41      5-4-0         73.39
49 Kansas State    73.75      5-4-0         73.25
69 Missouri        68.69      3-5-1         77.75
88 Oklahoma St.    64.69      0-8-1         78.44
89 Iowa State      64.65      3-5-1         71.09
 
Iowa State at Nebraska  (Nebraska by 37)
 
The final warmup before The Game, despite what Colorado fans think.  NU got
embarassed in the first quarter against Kansas, but Iowa State isn't Kansas.
Look for a shutout by the first string NU defense, possibly by the 2nd string
as well.  Iowa coach Jim Walden may not have been kidding when he said that
he thought his team should be allowed to play the Nebraska freshman team.  The
big suspense for NU may be which I-back they use:  Derek Brown or Calvin Jones.
Won't matter much either way for the Cyclones, though.  Nebraska should be
able to score at will.  NU's consecutive home sellout streak is also on the 
line, as Iowa State returned over a thousand tickets this week.
Nebraska 63, Iowa State 10.
 
Kansas at Colorado  (Colorado by 18)
 
So which versions of the Colorado and Kansas teams are going to show up?  
Who knows!  Kansas showed Nebraska it can score, Colorado seems to have
lost its focus, struggling past winless Oklahoma State.  Bowl reps are
going to be looking at both teams, so both teams should be paying attention.
Colorado isn't as good as last year, but they'll have enough to take
Kansas down a notch in the 'buffs final home game of '91 .  
Colorado 39, Kansas 21
 
Oklahoma State at Oklahoma  (Oklahoma by 31)
 
The battle for state bragging rights, we know who wins this one!
Was Oklahoma State lucky against Colorado?  Maybe, maybe not, but this game
is in Norman, and the OU seniors are playing their final home game.
Oklahoma 73, Oklahoma State 10
 
Missouri at Kansas State  (Kansas State by 9)
 
A Kansas State win would probably lock up a bowl bid.  Missouri should
play better than they did against Oklahoma, but home field advantage is
to Kansas State, and its the final home game.  
Kansas State 24, Missouri 18
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OK, I'll be the first to start this one up. Oklahoma at Nebraska. I know
I'm a little early but you KNOW both teams will win Saturday.
 
Since this is OU and not CU, maybee we can have some intellegent 
conversation about this one.   ;^)
 
I will predict Nebraska by more than 9. Bold I know but I feel that NU is
the better team and we have a lot to play for. I think the Memorial Stadium
crowd will be out for blood also. Last years uncharacteristic blow-out AND
the chance to send CU to the Toilet Bowl should help motivation from both
the crowd and the team. Believe me, that's on NU fans minds. I also base that
prediction on the fact that NU finally has a QB who has a little poise when
the Huskers are down and can throw the ball pretty well. Plus, I say that
OU still can't pass worth squat and EVERYONE knows what Nebraska's problem
is on D.
 
You know, it just dosent seem the same to me as when Switzer was coach. Not
that I am a big Switzer fan but he was one heck of a coach, that's for sure.
Even Switzer admits that the OU/NU series has been a great one and that NU
has provided great competition thru the years. Switzer just had this way
about him that could psych you out and I'm sure that was at least patially
responible for some of those last minute OU wins over NU, and there were
lots of last minute 3 point wins.
 
Last night playing basketball someone said that Gundy is out? Is this true?
 
Go Big Red of the North !!!  Win so we can get creamed by FSU  ;^)
 
Nebraska Marty
 
       ______________________________________________________________

	Those who are addicted to Summer's folly are never quite at
	peace with themselves as those who can appreciate the beauty
	of each passing season.
       ______________________________________________________________

  Marty,

	I believe Gundy had an emergency hernia operation last weekend. I 
  heard that thay still hope to have him ready for the Husker game. However,
  it's hard for me to believe that a guy can recover from a hernia operation
  in 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe there's more to it than what I read in the paper.

	With or without Gundy(who I think is overrated), I see the game
  this way: The Sooners have a much better defense. The Huskers have a 
  much better offense. However, the margin between the 2 offenses is bigger 
  than between the 2 defenses. Also, the Sooners must be effective passing 
  to fully exploit the Husker defense. So far they haven't impressed anyone 
  with their passing attack and Gundy may not play. I think the Huskers are
  a better team by 2 points. I'll give the Husker's another 2 points for
  home field advantage so I pick NU by 4.

	You can bet both teams will be sky high for this game so anything
  can happen. I'm sure we'll all enjoy watching another good college game.

	Oh Marty, by the way, what kind of corn are the Huskers feeding their
  running backs. They must have a secret formula. I mean, after all, they 
  put a 3rd string back in a close game and all he does is run for 294 yards.
  That's impressive.

	Go Sooner's, stomp the Husker's. CU at the beach, 3 years in a row.

					Keith

    
    If Gundy is healthy and plays, the Sooners will win.  Not because
    I think he's the savior, but because he's enough to get them over
    the top.  The offense is peaking late in the season with the
    re-emergence of Mike Gaddis.  I don't know what happened, but as
    soon as I wrote the Sooners off after the first half of this year
    as completely second-rate, they woke up and started scoring a few 
    points while the defense tightened up.  Maybe it's just been the 
    competition, admittedly weak (although Kansas and Kansas State gave
    OU less trouble than they did CU and NU); I don't know.
                
    What's the deal with Colorado?  The way they're finishing this season
    up they're lucky to be going anywhere.  I'm sitting in Beaver Stadium
    with Mike Leary (more on this later) when I hear that they've missed
    a two-point conversion late in the fourth period.  Great, I'm thinking
    to myself, they've finally gone and blown one of these nail-biters.
    Then later the news that they've pulled it out of the coals yet
    again!  I guess a brawl for it all in Lincoln just isn't in the making.
    Or can CU flirt with disaster just one more time next week at Iowa
    State?                                                                
    
    Actually, with a win over Nebraska a trip to the Blockbuster against
    Alabama (great traditions there!) might be preferable to an Orange
    Bowl berth.  Whoever ends up there is just gonna be fodder for that
    Miami machine on their home field again...
    
    glenn
    

    
    	You ain't kidding Glen.  I listened to the CU-OSU game and
    	watched the 2cd half of the CU-KU game.  I wrote them off
    	in both games only to have them pull it out.
    
    	CU was down 1 with a little more than 3 minutes left.  They
    	had the ball and it was 4th and 10 (or a little more).  They
    	had faked a field goal late in the game against OSU the
    	week before.  Everybody in the stadium thought the same thing
    	I did....Mac is gonna fake this.  KU didn't even put a man
    	back fer Chrissakes!  He still faked it.  KU ate it up.  The
    	D held and they called timeout after each play.  The KU kicker
    	kicked it into the endzone for a touchback.  There's slightly
    	over two minutes left, CU has no timeouts, and the field is
    	slicker'n owl $hit.  CU proceeds to drive right down the field
    	behind the passing of their 2cd string QB (Vance Joseph) and the
    	running of Lamont Warren (a true freshman).  The TD was scored
    	by their fullback Hill on a dive play.  I couldn't believe it
    
    	You should have seen how they got down by 2 TDs!  Three straight
    	fumbles on succesive plays that KU converted into 2 TDs.  I
    	was stunned.
    
    	Claybone

    Caught the 2nd half of KU-CU after the Miami-FSU game.  When KU was up
    24-10 and had the ball in CU territory I thought it was over.  But then
    CU held them and started to get some of those turnovers back.  I was
    surprised Mac went for 2 after the TD that made it 24-23, but he said a
    tie was as bad as a loss and I agree with that.  CU was down by 1 with
    about 2 minutes left and drove 80 yards with no timeouts.  Vance made
    another incredible play this week with a long run on 3rd and 27.  The
    Buffs continue to have problems with teams blitzing and stacking the
    line of scrimmage.  And if they go to the Orange Bowl against Miami's
    defense?  Well, let's just say it won't be pretty for CU.
    
    You're right Claybone, you could see that fake punt coming a mile away. 
    If KU could've gotten one more first down it probably would've been
    over.
    
    Anybody see that TD catch by the KU receiver when he was falling on his
    back?  Great catch.  Plus he was interferred with and I don't think it
    was called.
    
    
    Joe

  One thing is for sure, CU always plays entertaining football. In this case,
  they played down to their competition. After those 3 fumbles in a row by 
  CU, I though there was no way they could come back and win. They were also 
  completely outplayed in the first half but managed to be tied at 10 all 
  because of a 50 yard, in the air, pass by tailback Lamont Warren to Charles 
  Johnson. This game reminded me a lot of last years game with Nebraska.
  In that game, Eric Bieniemy fumbled 4 or 5 times but came back and scored
  4 TDs in the 4th period. There was a number of times KU could have put the
  game away. At the end of the 1st half, they had the ball on the CU 1 yard 
  line but couldn't score. Late in the 4th quarter, they pushed CU back to
  the 3 yard line. CU had 3rd and 27 to go for a first down when Vance Joseph
  ran the option, kept the ball and ran 32 yards for a 1st down.

  If CU keeps playing like this, I'm going to have all white hair by the end
  of the season.

  Hey, Joe, you were at the game weren't you ? What was it like watching this 
  game from the stands ? 

  There was an article in the Sunday Rocky Mtn News that said CU may be better
  off going to the Blockbuster Bowl and playing Alabama. I think they can beat
  Alabama but a win over Miami would take a near miracle with Miami's home
  field advantage. But if Miami goes into the game expecting a national champion
  coronation and over look the competition, who knows what might happen.


					Keith

    
    Joe,
    
    	Vance's run was great but it wasn't on the game winning
    	drive.  He did it on the drive where they had to punt, uhm,
    	I mean fake the punt.  It did get them out of a big hole
    	though.
    
    Claybone

>  Late in the 4th quarter, they pushed CU back to
>  the 3 yard line. CU had 3rd and 27 to go for a first down when Vance Joseph
>  ran the option, kept the ball and ran 32 yards for a 1st down.

    This is the one I was talking about, Claybone.  I thought it was on
    their game-winning drive.
    
>  Hey, Joe, you were at the game weren't you ? What was it like watching this 
>  game from the stands ? 

    No.  As I mentioned in another note, I wimped out and decided to stay
    home.  Miami-FSU game being on (I still say it should've been a night
    game) combined with the bad weather combined with the fact that my wife
    wanted me to stay home, well, I decided to stay home.  Plus the CU game
    was on TV.
    
    This was the best football weekend for me in a looooong time.  About
    the only bad thing I can find about this weekend was that the Faiders
    won.
    
    
    Joe

                     Conf.      All
    Nebraska          5-0-1     8-1-1
    Colorado          5-0-1     7-2-1
    Oklahoma          5-1       8-2
    Kansas St.        3-3       6-4
    Kansas            2-4       5-5
    Iowa St.          1-4-1     3-6-1
    Missouri          1-5       3-6-1
    Oklahoma St.      0-5-1     0-9-1
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Colorado (-22) at Iowa State
    Kansas State (-9.5) at Oklahoma State
    Missouri (+15) at Kansas
    
    The only other game remaining after this weekend is Oklahoma at Nebraska
    on November 29th (the Friday after Thanksgiving).


    Joe

    The Buffs closed out the regular season with their 3rd straight
    unimpressive victory over a weak opponent as they beat Iowa State 17-14.  
    And for the 3rd time in their past 4 games the weather was very bad. 
    The field looked like a frozen tundra and the wind-chill factor was
    18-below.  There were only an estimated 1500 fans at the game.  
    
    Here's the Big 8 standings with only Friday's OU-NU game remaining.  If
    NU wins the Huskers go to the Orange and CU goes to the Blockbuster
    against Alabama as co-Big 8 champs.  If OU wins then CU goes to the
    Orange as outright Big 8 champs against the Canes.  
    
                      Conf.      All
    Colorado          6-0-1     8-2-1
    Nebraska          5-0-1     8-1-1
    Oklahoma          5-1       8-2
    Kansas St.        4-3       7-4
    Kansas            3-4       6-5
    Iowa St.          1-5-1     3-7-1
    Missouri          1-6       3-7-1
    Oklahoma St.      0-6-1     0-10-1
    
    
    This week's games & spreads:
    
    Oklahoma (+6.5) at Nebraska, Friday

    
    Joe

Article 648 of clari.news.sports.college:
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.yuppies,clari.news.sports
Subject: University of Colorado to change nicknames, logos, and mascots
Date: 25 Nov 91 10:57:38 GMT
Priority: regular

	DENVER, Colo. (UPI) -- A University of Colorado spokesperson
    announced today that the school will be changing its name to pledge
    full support of the ''Yuppie'' movement.  Effective immediately, they
    will no longer be known as the Buffs.  The new name is ''Biffs'', and
    the logo and mascot will also change.  The logo is now the infamous
    Levi's Docker logo, velour shorts are optional.  In exchange for the
    publicity, Levi Strauss has agreed to supply the mascot's wardrobe.
    Steve, aka Marcie's husband on FOX's ''Married With Children'', has
    resurfaced as the Biffs new mascot.  Unconfirmed reports have the
    cheerleading squads renaming themselves to the ''Muffys''.
          The NCAA office is reported to be perplexed about the decision. 
    An NCAA spokesperson said, ''...they seem to be seeking recognition
    through bizarre behavior.''

     Hey Mike...  What is it with you and Childs ?  You guys hate
    Colorado or what !!   ;^)
    
    Big Game

What's the story on TV for THE game? I heard it was on ABC? Anyone know what
network for sure and what gametime is?

Nebraska Marty

    Game's on ABC.  Not sure about the time, I think it's 11:30.
    
    
    Joe

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Subject: Big Eight Review(11-25-91)
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Results
CU  17	ISU  14
KU  53	MU 29
KSU 36	OSU 26
 
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Missouri 29	Kansas  53
 
Well, for those who haven't heard....  Tony Sands set an
NCAA record for most rushes and rushing yards Saturday.
He had 58 carries for 396 yards.  Kent Kitzmann(Minn)
had 57 carries in 1977, while San DiegoSt's Marshall
Faulk had 386 set earlier this year.  It capped KU's
first winning season since 1981.  The 53pts were the
most scored against the Tigers.  But MU was only trailing
10-0 after teh first quarter, despite losing Phil Johnson
to a seperated shoulder during the second play of the game.
MU used a ton of trick plays including fake FGs and WR to
WR passes.  And it was only 25-22 KU at the half.  But KU
ate up 513yds on the ground and 43:00 of the clock to control
the game.  Mizzou had fumbled two kickoffs which went for
scores, while KU was giveaway free.
 
MU	0	22	7	0	-29
KU	10	15	14	14	-53
 
KU 26FG Eichloff
KU Sands 6run(Eichloff kick)
MU Handy 8run(Jacke kick)
KU Sands 8run(Hilleary pass to Vang after fumbled snap)
MU Bailey 39pass from Leach(Washington run)
KU Hilleary 4run(Eichloff kick)
MU Bailey 12pass from Handy(Jacke kick)
KU Hilleary 4run(Eichloff kick)
MU Bailey 5pass from Handy(Jacke kick)
KU Sands 9run(Eichloff kick)
KU Sands 7run(Eichloff kick)
KU Hilleary 2run(Eichloff kick)
 
		MU	KU
First Downs:    16	32
Rushes-yards    17-67	82-513
Passing yards   304	135
Return		6	0
Passing         19-30-0	9-14-0
Punts           6-30	2-36
Fumbles-lost    3-3	0-0
Penalties	7-62	8-71
Time of poss.	17:00	43:00
Attendance:  28,000(esitmated)
 
Rushing: MU-Freeman 9-27, Johnson 1-11, Washington 6-11
	 KU-Sands 58-396,Hilleary 13-80, Gay 1-16
Passing: MU-Handy 17-28-0-245,Leach 1-1-0-39,Sallee 1-1-0-20
	 KU-Hilleary 8-12-0-107,Thomas 1-2-0-28
Receiving: MU-Bailey 7-124, Sallee 4-83, Freeman 3-27
	   KU-Willeford 2-45,Drayton 2-14, Vang 1-36
 
 
-----------------------------------
Kansas State 36		Oklahoma State 26
 
KSU ran out to a 19-0 lead when OSU threw a hail-mary at
the end of the 1st half that was caught by Kirksey.  KSU's
defense seemed to have the answers with two fumble recoveries,
two interceptions, one blocked punt and one incomplete pass
on a punt(by a bad snap).
KSU is now 7-4, most wins since 1954 and best Big8 record
4-3 since 1970 and closed the season with 3 straight wins
since 1934.  Eric Gallon finished with 1,102 yds for the
season(3rd 'Cat to ever do that) and second behind Isaac
Jackson(1,137yds in 1973).  TE Russ Campbell had 8 catches
for 169yds and only 2 other Cats had more recieving yds.
Paul Watson,QB, ended up with 2,311 air-yds second only
to Lynn Dickey with 2,476 in 1969.  Only Micheal Smith
didn't get his 29yds he needed to move into second place
on the Big8's all-time recieving list.  OSU ended the
season 0-10-1, worst since 1920.  One good outlook is
that they only lost 11SRs and most of the starters were
Fr and Sophs.
 
KSU	10	9	3	14	-36
OSU	0	6	6	14	-26
 
KSU Coleman 14pass from Watson(Wright kick)
KSU 34FG Wright
KSU 30FG Wright
KSU Gallon 30run(pass failed)
OSU Kirksey 35pass from Ford(kick failed)
KSU 33FG Wright
OSU Milliner 27pass from Ford(pass failed)
KSU Madden 1run(Wright kick)
OSU Kirksey 10pass from Scott(Myers kick)
KSU Campbell 27pass from Watson(Wright kick)
OSU Milliner 4pass from Scott(Myers kick)
 
		KSU	OSU
First downs     24	18
Rushes-yards    57-195	28-113
Passing yards   227	276
Return		38	14
Passing         14-32-2	17-42-2
Punts           3-40	5-26
Fumbles-lost    2-1	4-2
Penalties       6-54	7-44
Time of poss    38:45	21:15
Attendance 17,800
 
Individual stats:
Rushing: KSU-Gallon 33-176, JJSmith 6-26, Madden 4-2
	 OSU-Denson 15-102, Franks 5-13, Milliner 1-4
Passing: KSU-Watson 14-32-2-227
	 OSU-Ford 11-29-2-216, Scott 6-12-0-60,Vincent 0-1-0-0
Receiving: KSU-Campbell 8-169, Hernandez 2-20, Garner 2-18
	   OSU-Kirksey 8-130, Milliner 3-83, Cheatwood 3-39	   
 
-------------------------------------------
 
Colorado 17	Iowa State 14
 
CU escaped one more time.  In near blizzard conditions, blowing
snow, 20mph winds, windchill of 15below, 3rd back week out of
the last four games.  ISU lead 14-10 at the half.  CU clinched 
at least a tie for the B8 title, their 3rd in a row, which only 
NU and OU have done.  If OU beats NU, then CU goes to the Orange, 
otherwise they'll go to the Blockbuster bowl.  Lamont Warren, 
CU's Fr RB, ran for 168yds, season high.  Hagan tied Steve Vogel's 
school record of 27TD passes.  Only 2,500 showed up for the game
despite selling 36,256 tickets.
 
CU	3	7	7	0	-17
ISU	7	7	0	0	-14
 
ISU Knott 12run(Stewart kick)
CU 22FG Blottiaux
CU Warren 74run(Blottiaux kick)
ISU Knott 17run(Stewart kick)
CU Brown 8pass from Hagan(Blottiaux kick)
 
		CU	ISU
First downs	9	18
Rushes		42-220	59-176
Passing		23	95
Returns		6	0
Passes		2-8-1	9-15-0
Punts		4-46	7-39
Fumbles		1-1	2-1
Penalties	5-25	5-26
Time of poss	22.:26	37:34
Attendance 36,256
 
Rushing CU-Warren 21-168, Hill 7-26, Hagan 14-26
	ISU-Knott 15-103,Williams 5-38, Patterson 9-33
Passing CU-Hagan 2-8-1-23
	ISU-Caldwell 9-15-0-95
Receiving CU-Johnson 1-15, Brown 1-8
	  ISU-Hill 3-43, Knott 3-10, Spencer 2-33
		
-------------------------------------------
 
 
Records
Team	conf	overall
CU	6-0-1	8-2-1
NU	5-0-1	8-1-1
OU	5-1-0	8-2-0
KSU	4-3-0	7-4-0
KU	3-4-0	6-5-0
ISU	1-5-1	3-7-1
MU	1-6-0	3-7-1
OSU	0-6-1	0-10-1
 
Next Game 11-29
OU  @ NU
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>     Hey Mike...  What is it with you and Childs ?  You guys hate
>    Colorado or what !!   ;^)
    
    I have no fan interest, good or bad, towards the Biffs.  I just post
    newsworthy articles as I get them off of Usenet.
    
    Mike

    Ha  !!!  I see..... An instigator....  I know you type !!
    
    ;^)
    
    Big Game

      I hope the Buffs don't go to the Orane bowl.  Miami will put a major
    hurt on Hagan & co..   'Bama would be more of CU's pace.
    
    	Tim

    
    	That depends Tim.  If they don't turn the ball over, they
    	are a damn good team.
    
    	Claybone

       Claybroon,  CU has had a heck of a time scoring points (who does
    that remind you of?).  I don't think CU can stop Miami's offense.  I
    would say the score would be  MU  35  CU  20.
    
      To me thats a spanking....
    
    	Tim

    Miami really has a hard time putting up a lot of points against 
    a tough D. With the loss of McGuire, their offense will be hurt
    even more. Their monster d usually gets them by. IMO
    
    MikeL
    

    
    Well, party hearty tonight, Marty!  Your 'Huskers played a heck
    of a game in another exciting, smash-mouth entry to this always-
    tight series.  This time, it was your guys who won out in the comeback
    effort.  In spite of the score, Nebraska really dominated the game, 
    but I still thought the Sooners might be able to hold on (what a
    goalline stand at the end of the third period!).  It was not to be,
    though, as I do believe this Husker squad demonstrated the most 
    character of any I've seen in this rivalry since the 1978 team that 
    upended what I then and still now believe to have been the best-in-
    the-nation Sooners team that year.  Result, 1991: Nebraska 19, 
    Oklahoma 14.
                       
    I don't like the prospects of facing that Calvin Jones kid for the
    next three years.  The kid's a stud.  Derek Brown is dangerous,
    but Jones gives you the feeling that he's going to pick up the 
    yardage no matter what.  That kind of power and speed is a deadly
    combination for the opposing defense.
    
    On the OU side, I'll repeat again, Coach Gary Gibbs has really got 
    some personal developing to do.  With the 14-3 halftime lead, one
    more score (even a field goal) probably would have been enough to
    put the Huskers away mentally.  Considering the weather, I liked
    the generally conservative game plan, but a team that runs inside
    the tackles 19 out of 20 times is not going to win many football
    games.  The dropback passing game (supposedly one of Gundy's
    strengths) as a change-of-pace in such weather on artificial turf 
    is really not that dangerous either, as Keithen McCant (great game!) 
    proved.  The option is much more risky.  If Gibbs refuses to show 
    any confidence in Gundy to run a diverse game plan, the kid's 
    potential will be unnecessarily wasted at Oklahoma.  Hell, if you're
    going to play the game that way, Coach Gibbs, get an option QB back
    in there, and we'll go back to holding track meets, the old-fashioned 
    Oklahoma way.
    
    And oh yeah, Marty, I thought you 'Huskers were supposed to be classier
    than Buffs' fans to be throwing oranges at opposing players!  ;-)
    (Just teasing; if I were a 19-year-old college kid in such an
    environment I'd probably be loosening the old arm up for the Orange
    Bowl, too...)
    
    Finally, I guess it should be noted that this year's game also
    commemorated the 20th anniversary of the famous "Greatest Game Ever 
    Played" in Norman in 1971, won by Nebraska 35-31 for the national
    championship (since that game, OU has taken some partial but still
    not entirely satisfying revenge with a 14-7 series lead).  Did you 
    catch the tape of the Johnny Rodgers' punt runback again, Marty?  
    Did you see the tackle of punter/halfback Joe Wylie who was standing
    right in Rodgers' path at the 50-yard-line?  I don't ever want to
    hear you complaining about non-clipping calls again, pal!  ;-)
    (That game will be played over and over again, off the field,
    forever, I suppose...)
         
    Congrats again and good luck in the Orange Bowl, dude...
    
    glenn
    
                      

    Thanks for nothing, Chokelahoma.  Now you get to go play an
    Almost Close team, but still won't be able to save your coach's job.
    And after OU's poor 2nd-half effort they have the nerve to say they're
    one of the 2 best teams in the conference.  Yeah, right.  That's why OU
    has 2 conference losses while CU and NU didn't lose a game in the
    conference.
    
    A few of the NU players showed their lack of class after the game by
    making some derogatory comments toward CU, especially Mitchell.  I
    can't wait to hear his comments after Miami kicks their ass up and down
    the Orange Bowl field.
    
    What the hell was Gibbs doing by deciding to kick off in the 2nd
    half?!?  So they got the wind in the 3rd quarter, NU got it in the 4th.
    And what did NU do with the 2nd half kickoff?  They promptly marched 70
    yards for a TD to close the margin to 14-10.  I missed the latter part
    of the 2nd quarter and all of the 2nd half except NU's first TD drive,
    but OU's offense must've taken the early train back to Norman. 
    Actually, it never really showed up because their 2 TD drives started in 
    NU territory.
    
    I watched most of the Auburn-Bama game Saturday.  Bama's defense looks
    pretty good and their offense seems to get the job done when they need
    to.  The line I saw has CU favored by 1 which is a big surprise to me. 
    I expected Bama to be favored by about 3-6 points.  
    
    
    Joe

re: -2

Good reply Glen. Thanks.

re: -1

Hmmm, kind of sounds like "SOUR GRAPES" to me!!!

This game could have, and should have been worse than the 5.

Nebraska Marty

    
    	What's that Martin?  No berating of NU fans for throwing
    	oranges?  My, my.  You told all CU fans to eat "you know
    	what" and to be better sports.  Now I guess you can realize
    	that just because a few *idiots* throw stuff doesn't mean
    	the whole group are jerks.
    
    	The NU players were woofing at CU eh?  No big deal.  Makes
    	for a good rivalry.  
    
    	I'll be rooting for NU to upset Miami.  Everybody is mailing
    	it in for Miami already and I just love to see the underdog
    	pull the upset.
    
    	Claybone

re: -1

Clay, I think the orange thing was bad and I'm glad Osborne got on the pa and
told them to stop. One Orange actually hit the QB as he was standing over 
center. It's one thing to throw the Orange into the end-zone - 20 yards away
from anyone, but it's another to throw right at the team at as they are about
to run a play (same goes for snowballs). I don't support either and it's bad
news.   :^(

This one was sweet. A chance to beat an arch rival AND put that other pesky
team in it's place at the same time.   ;^)

I do think it can be a good game in the Orange Bowl. Miami is the odds-on
favorite but the Huskers have improved a lot since Washington. If the NU
coaches can put together a great defensive game-plan AND if the Husker 
offense can play turnover-free ball, then Nebraska has a chance. But these are
BIG if's.

CU better get their act together. Bama is no pushover. The way CU has played
the last 3 games makes you wonder just how good (or bad) they are. CU needs
a win in this game.

Who's OU playing in the Gator? I forget.

GO BIG RED !!! YESSSSSSSSS !!!

Nebraska Marty

- Who's OU playing in the Gator? I forget.

My beloved Virginia Cavaliers.   8-2-1 and unbeaten in their final 8 
games.  ACC POY Matt Blundin at quarterback and ACC COY George Welsh on the 
sidelines.   No. 3 in the nation in scoring defense and ranked No. 20 
right behind Oklahoma in the latest AP poll.

Should be a great game.   The Hoos have been stomping on people the last 
month or so.

Bob Hunt 

                 
>    A few of the NU players showed their lack of class after the game by
>    making some derogatory comments toward CU, especially Mitchell.  I
>    can't wait to hear his comments after Miami kicks their ass up and down
>    the Orange Bowl field.
     
    I read an AP article on Saturday that said before the game Darian
    Hagan had told Johnny Mitchell to "shut up" (I guess Mitchell's been
    talking a lot since the CU game), so in response, after the game,
    Mitchell returned the favor and additionally called Colorado "the
    luckiest team in America" (not a classy thing to say, but based
    on this season's play probably true; Colorado has been very fortunate
    in most of their Big 8 games).
                 
    > What the hell was Gibbs doing by deciding to kick off in the 2nd
    > half?!?  So they got the wind in the 3rd quarter, NU got it in the 4th.
      
    Based on what happened in the first half both with the decision to
    defer (result: turnover and TD) and with the OU offense sputtering, 
    this was the one call Gibbs made that I liked.  OU was trying to play 
    a field position game, and kicking off rather than receiving and 
    going three downs and out (like they eventually did when they finally
    got the ball) met that objective.  Nebraska did march the field, but 
    that made little difference.  The key to the second half was that NU 
    spent most of it in OU territory, which is what I'm sure Gibbs feared 
    would happen when he got the ball and couldn't move it.  Still doesn't
    excuse Gibbs' ultra, ultra conservative play-calling, of course.
                                                            
    Bob, I think Virginia is at #19 to Oklahoma's #20 in both polls.
    Deserve to be, too, as once again OU has beaten no one of any merit
    and has lost to all three of the marginally good opponents they've
    faced.
    
    glenn
    

  I'm finally back from vacation so I can comment on the last few games
  and reply to some of the entries.

  Yep, the CU win over ISU wasn't impressive but what the score doesn't show
  is that the CU defense completely shut down ISU in the 2nd half. Leonard
  Renfro played like a young Mean Joe Green. It looks like he'll be an All-
  American defensive tackle and a possible high NFL draft pick before his
  CU career is over. The weather in that game was as bad as it gets. They
  almost postponed the game.

  Count me as another one who hopes he doesn't hear Marty complaining about
  oranges, snowballs and CU fans. I've never seen as many oranges thrown as
  in the NU-OU game. No matter what game you watch, there will always be
  be some jerks who make everybody else look bad.

  Nebraska played an excellent game against OU. This team definately has
  more character than the NU teams of the last 2 years. Even though everytime
  Johnny Mitchell opens his mouth, a lot of smoke comes out, I'll give
  him credit for being one of the best college tight ends I've ever seen.
  And that puts him in the company of guys like Mike Ditka and Keith Jackson.
  With Mitchell, Derek Brown and Calvin Jones, NU will be very tough to
  beat in the coming years unless those players enter the NFL draft early.
  The big question for NU next year will be who plays QB. Senior, Keithen
  McCant is the best NU QB I've seen in a long time. As Darian Hagan said,
  I don't see why they didn't play him for the last few years. He'll be hard 
  to replace. Everybody expects NU to get blown away in the Orange Bowl but 
  I wouldn't be surprised to see NU pull an upset. Like I said, this team 
  has more character that the Osborn teams of the last few years. If they 
  can establish a running game, McCant will be able to hit Mitchell
  and Bostick for some big gains. The big question is, can the NU defense
  stop the Miami passing attack ? Probably not.
  
>This one was sweet. A chance to beat an arch rival AND put that other pesky
>team in it's place at the same time.   ;^)                                 

  Yep, they sure put that pesky team in their place by getting a tie. Like 
  I said about 20 replys earlier, NU now considers a tie with CU to be a 
  victory. 

  I'm surprised nobody picked up the latest news on the Buffs. First, McCartney
  suspended 3 players for one year. Mac wouldn't disclose the reason why they
  were suspended but the Rocky Mtn News said that they may have used a fellow
  teammates credit card to purchase some sporting goods without permission
  from the credit card owner. Two of the players are walkons and are
  far down on the depth chart. However, the other one is a guy named
  Kontroy Barber who was the nations most highly recruited fullback last
  year. He was redshirted this year. CU had big plans for this guy but it 
  looks like it will be 1993 before he plays. The second big piece of news
  is that Kent Kahl is going to transfer to another school. He was unhappy
  about losing his starting job to Lamont Warren and will not play in the
  Blockbuster Bowl. They didn't say what school he is transfering to but
  it will not be another Big 8 team or Colorado State Univ. I'm sorry to
  see him go as he's an excellent backup tailback but Mac can't keep a talented
  player like Warren off the field.

					Keith

>  They didn't say what school he is transfering to but
>  it will not be another Big 8 team or Colorado State Univ. 
 
    One rumor I read said that he's interested in the University
    of Iowa.  Although he didn't admit, it just sounds like he's somewhat
    sore about his lack of playing time and losing his starting position.
    
    More on OU-NU:
    I missed most of the 2nd half, but I understand Dr. Tom took a couple
    of 4th down gambles.  First they had a 4th and goal but didn't make it. 
    But the big one came late in the game with OU leading by 1 and NU was
    at the OU 19-yard line and had 4th and 2.  NU went for it, made it, and
    eventually scored the winning TD.
    
    
    Joe
    

             
    > Everybody expects NU to get blown away in the Orange Bowl but 
    > I wouldn't be surprised to see NU pull an upset. Like I said, this team 
    > has more character that the Osborn teams of the last few years. If they 
    > can establish a running game, McCant will be able to hit Mitchell
    > and Bostick for some big gains.
    
    I agree with this, and it may not even have all that much to do
    with character (although this team seems to have a lot more of that,
    too).  If Nebraska can get that big Earl Campbell-like (note I only
    said "like") Calvin Jones rolling and chew some clock, they might 
    indeed catch Miami by surprise.  I wouldn't have said that before the 
    OU game, and I'm only saying it now because OU had the dominant rushing
    defense in the Big 8 this season yet was just thoroughly outplayed at 
    the line of scrimmage by Nebraska.
    
    The most impressive thing about this year's Miami team has been
    their ability to win (FSU and Penn State), not to win impressively.
    Nebraska's secondary might be toast material, but Gino Toretta is
    the Miami QB least equipped to take advantage of that weakness since 
    pre-Jim Kelly.  Yet another reason why this game could at the very 
    least be interesting well into the second half...
                
    glenn
    

    
>    I missed most of the 2nd half, but I understand Dr. Tom took a couple
>    of 4th down gambles.  First they had a 4th and goal but didn't make it. 
>    But the big one came late in the game with OU leading by 1 and NU was
>    at the OU 19-yard line and had 4th and 2.  NU went for it, made it, and
>    eventually scored the winning TD.
     
    Yep.  It wasn't really that big of a risk considering the weather
    and the way Nebraska's offense had been rolling on the ground, though.
    I for one was hoping that Osborne would take the cowardly way out
    and send the field goal kicker in, because from OU's perspective
    I'd gladly have taken my chances on one play, the field goal for
    the game, win or lose.  But Osborne was smarter than that.
    
    There was another, subtler play that made the difference for OU,
    though.  Before Nebraska's last drive, OU's punter hit a beautiful
    pooch kick inside the five.  The ball was rolling pretty slowly, and
    might not have even made the end zone, but in any case the OU coverage
    men had plenty of time to get down, settled and cover it as close
    to the goal line as they wanted.  But no (!), these bonehaids come
    flying in, banging into each other and slide the full five yards
    into the end zone with the ball.  Next play, reverse Nebraska, big
    gain.  Heads-up punt coverage would have required Nebraska to go
    99 yards, and to be conservative and go up the middle on first down
    from inside the one.  That was a huge play...
    
    glenn
    

>    Before Nebraska's last drive, OU's punter hit a beautiful
>    pooch kick inside the five. 

  Yea, I remember that kick. At first it looked like the OU player made a 
  great play and controlled the ball. But the replay clearly showed the ball
  rolling around as he slid into the end zone. It's too bad because the ball 
  might have stopped before the goal without anyone touching it. I think the 
  OU defense would have been fired up and stopped NU. Then, they would have 
  been punting from their endzone and OU would have gotten their best field 
  position of the 2nd half. That punt may have won the game for OU if it
  was successfully downed at the 1.

  It's obvious that Gundy didn't have a good game but I think a lot of the 
  blame can be spread around. The receivers didn't get open that often and
  when they did, they didn't make the tough catches whereas NU did. OU
  really needs to work on their passing attack.

					Keith  

    
>  It's obvious that Gundy didn't have a good game but I think a lot of the 
>  blame can be spread around. The receivers didn't get open that often and
>  when they did, they didn't make the tough catches whereas NU did. OU
>  really needs to work on their passing attack.
   
    I can't come to that conclusion or any of the others that have been
    drawn about Gundy this season, Keith, not with the conservatism
    of the offense.  Gundy threw the ball *three* times (completing
    one) before Nebraska took the lead with a couple minutes to go.  OU 
    doesn't run the option anymore, Gundy didn't fumble away any snaps 
    or make any bad pitches, therefore I can only conclude that he did
    what was asked of him in this limited role.  And in fact, that's
    the way it's been all year, as Gundy has completed well over 50%
    of his passes over the number of times he's been allowed to throw.
    I frankly don't understand what the coaching staff is thinking about.
    
    Oklahoma does need to get some decent receivers, though.  That was
    probably their weakest position this year.
    
    glenn
    
    

    Glenn,

	Paul Brown used to say, "If you have a big gun, shot it". Gundy
    is supposed to be a big gun but so far he's been under utilized. 
    His receivers are not that great but I'm also beginning to wonder 
    if Gibb's and company know how to develope and coach a passing attack.

					Keith    

	Why the complaining about fans throwing oranges? What with oranges 
being a very good source of vitamin C and this being the cold and flu 
season, and the raw rainy conditions on the field, the Nebraska faithful 
were just trying to protect these young lads from bacteria and germs.  Very 
classy move if you ask me.

				/Don

AP All-Big Eight Team

Offense:

QB - Keithen McCant, Nebraska, Senior
RB - Derek Brown, Nebraska, Sophomore
RB - Tony Sands, Kansas, Senior
RB - Mike Gaddis, Oklahoma, Senior
TE - Johnny Mitchell, Nebraska, Sohpomore
WR - Michael Smith, Kansas State, Senior
C - Jay Leeuwenburg, Colorado, Senior
OL - Will Shields, Nebraska, Junior
OL - Chris Perez, Kansas, Senior
OL - Brian Boerboom, Nebraska, Senior
OL - Brian Brauninger, Oklahoma, Senior
PK - Dan Eichloff, Kansas, Sophomore

Defense:

DL - Joel Steed, Colorado, Senior
DL - Dana Stubblefield, Kansas, Senior
DL - Stacey Satterwhite, Oklahoma State, Senior
DE - Reggie Barnes, Oklahoma, Junior
DE - Jason Gildon, Oklahoma State, Sophomore
LB - Joe Bowden, Oklahoma, Senior
LB - Greg Biekert, Colorado, Junior
LB - Brooks Barta, Kansas State, Junior
DB - Jason Belser, Oklahoma, Senior
DB - Eric Hamilton, Colorado, Junior
DB - Tyrone Legette, Nebraska, Senior
P - Dan Eichloff, Kansas, Sophomore


Buffs on AP All-Big Eight 2nd team:

QB - Darian Hagan, Senior
RB - Lamont Warren, Colorado, Freshman
DL - Leonard Renfro, Sophomore
LB - Chad Brown, Junior


Buffs receiving honorable mention:

Jim Hansen, OL
Ron Woolfork, DE
Mitch Berger, P
Deon Figures, DB
    

There has already been some discussion about the Miami/Nebraska OB matchup.
Here's my $.02 worth:

	General factors - NU can't stop Miami passing game for the whole game.

                          Game played on Miami's home field.

                          Miami has better athletes overall, and more team
                           speed.

                          Nebraska is a more poised and confident team than
                           they have been in years.

                          Nebraska has varied their offensive attack this year,
                            Miami won't be able to sit and wait for the next
                            play with 90% probability their guess was right.
                            (This happened in the '88 OB)

	Specific factors - NU * MUST * have ball control. The Huskers must
                            keep the Canes offense off the field. If they 
                            don't then we will see a scenario similar to the
                            Husker/Huskies game where the NU D is worn down
	 		    and cut like a knife with the passing game. One
			    of the most important stats for NU will be the
			    time of possesion stat.

			    Nebraska must gamble more than normal on defense.
			    They have to do something out of the ordinary on
			    D to keep Miami honest. Otherwise Miami will pick
			    them apart with the passing game. This game is as
			    much a responsibility of the coaching staff of NU
			    as it is the players. The NU coaching staff needs to
			    eat, sleep, and drink... Miami film. They have to
			    come up with the game-plan of their lives.

			    Huskers must play error free. Little or no turnovers
                            and hold those penalties down.

			    NU must have balence of run and pass. Keep Miami
			    guessing. Use Bostik, Mitchell, McCant, Jones,
			    and Brown. All of them frequently.

			    McCant must keep his head early. In the CU game
			     Keithen admitted that he was nervous in the 1st
			     half. He played like he was nervious in the 1st
			     quarter of the OU game. In BOTH games he played
			     very well after he settled down. Nebraska can't
			     afford to fall behind in this one early.

			    A new Osborne "...ski" play. This could be fun.
			     Osborne is the inventor of the "fumbarooski" and
			     a few other plays. A new "...ski" may be in order
			     for this one.

			    Natural turf. I don't think NU has played on it
			     even once this year. Factor in favor of Miami.

My personal thoughts:

	Huskers are better off going into this one than they were in '88.
	Miami seems to be less of a powerhouse and a little more vulnerable.
        Their passing game is very good but not a good as when they had
	Testeverdi (sp?) and the present Browns QB (Just can't think of it now).
	Huskers seem to have confidence and poise. Osborne said that this team
	has come closer to being as good as they can be than ANY of his
	previous squads. That says something about this teams mental outlook.
	Translation - this is not Osborne's most talented team overall, but
	they may be his hardest working ever. They are motivated.

	But Miami still has the better athletes overall and more team speed,
	not to mention the home field.

	I say Miami will win but I don't think it will be a blowout. If NU
	plays a near perfect game with some nice new twists on D, then NU
	has the potential to win and it could be very close. If NU makes
	stupid mistakes and turnovers, then you can mail in the stats, it's a
	blowout.

	I say Miami by 14 or less but Huskers to make it a game.   :^(

	Interesting how in the past NU has been the team people wanted to
	see get beat. Now that NU has been down (At least by NU standards
	and national expectations) and they are playing the bid bad powerhouse
	team, folks seem to be pulling for the Huskers more. I guess it's true,
	people like an underdog.

GO BIG RED !!! Pull out the UPSET !!!  BEAT THE BAD GUYS, BEAT MIAMI !!!!!

		Nebraska Marty

    Nebraska played on grass at ASU.
    
    I think how much Miami wins by, if they do win, will be dictated more
    by the Canes.  If they don't hurt themselves by penalties and turnovers
    Miami will win pretty easy.  If you look at the few games Miami has
    lost over the past 5 years or so, they usually lost the game because of
    turnovers.  They've overcome the penalties easily before (last year's
    Cotton Bowl), but in a close game against a quality opponent it could
    end up costing them.  I just feel if Miami's gonna lose, they'll need
    to give the Huskers some help.  You can bet the NU coaches are watching
    the BC-Miami film over and over again.
    
    We'll see a different Miami team on New Year's night than we've seen on
    ESPN the past 2 weeks.  They were obviously flat against BC, and
    weren't overly impressive against SDSU.   The Canes will be pumped up
    and the crowd will be *very* loud.  It seemed like the Miami crowd was
    half-asleep in the SDSU game.
    
    
    Joe

re: .405 All Big-8

Notice more balance than previous years. It used to be Ohlahoma with 9 or 10,
Nebraska with 6 or 7, a few other teams with 1 or 2 and some with none.

Now it's Nebraska 6 (With 3 returning)
         Kansas   5 (2 returning)
	 Oklahoma 5 (1 returning)
         Colorado 4 (2 returning)
	 K. State 2 (1 returning)
	 Ok State 2 (1 returning)

Pretty fair balance.

>re: .405 All Big-8

  I'm surprised that CU Buff Greg Thomas didn't make the list.

  I quess his 7 career blocked kicks don't count for a defensive backfield
  player. Some of those blocked kicks made the difference between a win and
  a lose for CU.

				Keith

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  5-DEC-1991 02:21:42.51
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Administrative note--I'm attempting to make a change in my mailer, but
having less than 100% success.  Hopefully this will not interfere with
the list.  (Actually, it's *supposed* to improve delivery, but we'll see....)

Well, they announced the AP All-Big-Eight team, and NU's Keithen McCant beat
out CU's Darian Hagan for the 1st team QB slot.  (But then, Hagan didn't really
have all that great a season THIS year.)  If the Heisman voters were as fair-
minded as the AP conference team voters (apparently) were, the Heisman results
for the past 25 years would have been a LOT different.

The All Big Eight Team is as follows:
(I'm merging two separate lists to produce 1st team and 2nd team side-by-side,
hopefully without introducing any errors in positions like OL and DL, which 
is how they were given in the paper.)

          1st team                        2nd team
OFFENSE
   WR     Michael Smith, K-St             John Bostick, NU
   TE     Johnny Mitchell, NU             Russ Campbell, K-St
   OL     Jay Leeuwenberg, CU             Quentin Neujahr, K-St
   OL     Will Shields, NU                Keith Loneker, Kansas
   OL     Chris Perez, Kansas             Erik Weigert, NU
   OL     Brian Boerboom, NU              Brandon Houston, OU
   OL     Brian Brauninger, OU            Mike Bedosky, MU
   QB     Keithen McCant, NU              Darian Hagan, CU
   RB     Derek Brown, NU                 Calvin Jones, NU
   RB     Tony Sands, Kansas              Lamont Warren, CU
   RB     Mike Gaddis, OU                 Eric Gallon, K-St
   PK     Dan Eichloff, Kansas            Jeff Jacke, MU

DEFENSE
   DL     Joel Steed, CU                  Stacey Dillard, OU
   DL     Dana Stubblefield, Kansas       Leonard Renfro, CU
   DL     Stacey Satterwhite, Ok-St       Pat Engelbert, NU
   DE     Reggie Barnes, OU               Travis Hill, NU
   DE     Jason GIldon, Ok-St             Trey Tippens, OU
   LB     Joe Bowden, OU                  Chris Wilson, OU
   LB     Greg Biekert, CU                Chad Brown, CU
   LB     Brooks Barta, K-St              Mike Petko, NU
   DB     Jason Belser, OU                Curtis Cotton, NU
   DB     Eric Hamilton, CU               Mark Dou-Brava, Ia-St
   DB     Tyrone Leggette, NU             Sharron Washington, MU
   P      Dan Eichloff, Kansas            Mike Stigge, NU
---
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[email protected], [email protected]

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In article <kjnckhINN8q9@cronkite>, [email protected] (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
>At the start of the season,  I guessed that Cale Gundy would make All Big-8
>at QB.  Looking at his season,  I doubt it.  Could someone (Scott) post the
>passing & rushing numbers for the Big-8 QBs ? My guess is that McCant (Neb) 
>has the better numbers,  but Hagan will probably get it.
>
Funny you should ask.  I just got done compiling the Big8 stats from
the paper.  I had to edit in the NU and OU stats since the local 
paper isn't too bright in waiting till after that game to do it.
I don't have the QB rate pts for McCants or Gundy since I didn't
know how they were figured.

BIG EIGHT STATS(gotten out of Thurs 11-28's paper, so OU and NU
	stats were figured in by the game report)

Individual Statistics

RUSHING
Player		Car	yds	avg	yds/g
Sands,KU	273	1442	5.3	131.0
Brown,NU	230	1313	5.7	119.4
Gaddis,OU	221	1240	5.6	112.7
Gallon,KSU	224	1102	4.9	100.1
Warren,CU	157	830	5.3	92.2
Jones,NU	108	900	8.3	81.8
McCant,NU	117	654	5.6	59.5
Denson,OSU	150	569	3.8	51.7
Caldwell,ISU	156	428	2.7	42.8
Patterson,ISU	100	467	4.7	42.4
M.Washington,MU 101	420	4.2	38.1
Hilleary,KU	93	400	4.3	36.3
Hill,CU		81	362	4.5	36.2
Hagan,CU	133	386	2.9	35.0
Berrien,OSU	113	349	3.1	34.9
Brewer,OU	43	263	6.1	32.8
Rasheed,OU	77	355	4.6	32.3
JJSmith,KSU	18	157	8.7	31.6
McKinley	88	346	3.9	31.5
Robben,KU	91	316	3.5	28.7
Kahl,CU		70	301	4.3	27.3
Freeman,MU	54	267	4.9	24.2
Achola,NU	26	240	9.2	24.0
Williams,ISU	52	206	4.0	22.8
Rawlings,KSU	41	172	4.2	21.5
Lewis,NU	23	192	8.3	21.3
White,KU	54	228	4.2	20.7

PASSING EFFICIENCY(don't have rating pts for OU or NU)
Player		att	comp	yds	td	rat pts
McCant,NU	168	97	1454	13	
Hagan,CU	170	88	1228	12	128.7
Gundy,OU	172	91	1228	8	
Watson,KSU	304	172	2312	10	124.7
Johnson,MU	311	167	2029	14	115.0
Hilleary,KU	188	98	1267	6	114.0
Handy,MU	89	48	565	3	113.9
Caldwell,ISU	57	32	416	1	112.7
Ford,OSU	239	112	1387	7	90.2
Scott,OSU	78	33	411	2	82.2

TOTAL OFFENSE
Player		yds	ave	yds/g
Watson,KSU	2354	5.6	214.0
Johnson,MU	2187	5.7	198.8
McCant,NU	2108	7.4	191.6
Hilleary,KU	1667	5.9	151.5
Hagan,CU	1614	5.3	146.7
Ford,OSU	1534	4.7	139.4
Sands,KU	1442	5.2	131.0
Brown,NU	1313	5.7	119.4
Gaddis,OU	1240	5.6	112.7
Gundy,OU	1207	5.2	109.7
Gallon,KSU	1102	4.9	100.1
Warren,CU	878	5.5	97.5
Jones,NU	900	8.3	81.8
Caldwell,ISU	844	3.9	84.4
Handy,MU	564	5.9	62.6
Denson,OSU	569	3.7	51.7
Patterson,ISU	467	4.7	42.4
Joseph,NU	312	5.5	39.0
Scott,OSU	386	4.5	38.6
M.Washington,MU	420	4.2	38.1
Hill,CU		362	4.4	36.2
Berrien,OSU	349	3.0	34.9
Brewer,OU	263	6.1	32.8
Rasheed,OU	355	4.6	32.3
JJSmith,KSU	157	8.7	31.6
McKinley,OU	346	3.9	31.5

RECEIVING
Player		gam	ct	yds	ct/g
Smith,KSU	11	55	768	5.0
Milliner,OSU	11	47	631	4.2
Kirksey,OSU	11	43	614	3.9
Drayton,KU	11	34	439	3.0
Campbell,KSU	11	32	595	2.9
Mitchell,NU	11	31	533	2.8
Holly,MU	11	31	399	2.8
Leach,MU	10	27	316	2.7
Hernandez,KSU	9	23	231	2.5
Warren,OU	11	26	365	2.4
Spencer,ISU	11	25	356	2.2
Bostick,NU	11	24	419	2.2
Long,OU		11	24	302	2.2
S.Brown,CU	11	24	300	2.2
Hill,ISU	11	22	316	2.0
Westbrook,CU	11	22	309	2.0
Gallon,KSU	11	21	247	1.9
Cheatwood,OSU	10	18	230	1.8
Chandler,KU	11	18	345	1.6
Coleman,KSU	11	18	279	1.6
Dunn,MU		9	14	219	1.5
Gay,KU		11	17	232	1.5
Thompson,OSU	10	15	113	1.5
Hughes,NU	8	12	208	1.5

Team Statistics

RUSHING OFFENSE
team	car	yds	yds/g
NU	595	3885	353.2
OU	606	2752	250.2
KU	614	2698	245.3
CU	554	2499	227.2
KSU	469	1756	159.6
ISU	516	1739	158.1
OSU	433	1245	113.2
MU	360	1180	107.3

PASSING OFFENSE
team	att	comp	yds	yds/g
MU	406	218	2661	241,9
KSU	338	184	2475	225.0
OSU	318	145	1798	163.5
NU	205	116	1686	153.3
CU	214	112	1589	144.5
KU	231	114	1530	139.1
OU	192	97	1295	117.7
ISU	197	103	1291	117.4

TOTAL OFFENSE
team	plays	yds	yds/g
NU	800	5571	506.5
KSU	807	4231	384.6
KU	845	4228	384.3
CU	768	4088	371.6
OU	798	4047	367.9
MU	766	3841	349.1
OSU	751	3043	276.6
ISU	713	3030	275.4

RUSHING DEFENSE
team	car	yds	yds/g
OU	403	1140	103.6
NU	440	1516	137.8
CU	487	1649	149.9
KU	426	1660	150.9
KSU	486	2001	181.9
OSU	499	2106	191.5
ISU	500	2266	206.0
MU	628	3677	334.3

PASSING DEFENSE(paper didn't include this)
team	att	comp	yds	td	pts
ISU	250		1824
KSU	272		1864
MU	283		1878
KU	297		1879
CU	286		1886
OU	328		2004
OSU	289		2078
NU	322		2256

TOTAL DEFENSE
team	plays	yds	yds/g
OU	731	3144	285.8
CU	773	3535	321.4
KU	723	3539	321.7
NU	762	3772	342.9
KSU	758	3865	351.4
ISU	750	4090	371.8
OSU	788	4184	380.4
MU	911	5555	505.0

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    Great game OU vs. UN last week.  Why wasn't I surprised when they
    put up that eye-popping stat showing that a high percentage of the
    games in this rivalry ended up come-from-behind victories?  Early
    on it looked like a Tom Osborne nightmare.  I credit him for changing
    to the north-south game plan, and his QB and that receiver for some
    big plays.  Never saw so many critical big plays made on 3rd and longs
    and 4th downs.  That one play where the UN QB dropped the ball, lurched
    to grab it, turned, set, read the secondary, tossed a needle-threader
    job intentionally high to that receiver who was being sandwiched by
    two OU secondary players, made a grab that woulda been most excellent
    in the dry but was impossible in the driving rain, and then dropped
    five feet to the concrete and *still* held on to it for a giant first
    down... college grid at its best.
    
    MrT 

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 11-DEC-1991 09:22:30.12
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There has apparently been enough speculation about sophomore TE Johnny Mitchell
turning pro early that he has been pestered by agents and others, so much so 
that he held a press conference Tuesday to announce he will stay at Nebraska 
for the 1992 season, then turn pro.

When asked if he would definitely leave after his junior year, Mitchell said,
"You can only get so (much) better at this level.  If the Lord's willing and
I'm still healthy, yes."

Mitchell is also interested in getting disability insurance to protect himself 
in case he is injured next season.  (The NCAA offers top college prospects as 
much as $1.8 million in protection coverage, the cost of which is to be repaid 
after the player turns pro.)

Cornhusker fans with a healthy wallet but no season ticket at Memorial Stadium
might consider going to next year's Nebraska-Kansas State game in Tokyo,
where the base ticket price will be $75.  (And don't even ask what a hot dog
will cost!)

Danny Nee is promising fans that NU will shoot better than 50% from the free
throw line against Wisconsin tonight.  The Huskers are 50% from the field
this season, 45.1% from three-point range, and only 57.5% from the line.
After going 3-1 during a four game in eight days stretch, three of them on the 
road, NU now has four straight home games, and no road games for three weeks.

The 7th ranked Huskers are favored to win the NCAA Mideast Regional Volleyball 
tournament this weekend, in Lincoln.  #12 Ohio State plays #16 Penn State, and 
the Huskers face unranked Wisconsin in round 1 on Friday.  The winners play on 
Saturday for an invitation to the Final Four at UCLA's Pauley Pavilion.
---
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 12-DEC-1991 12:19:11.96
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Subj:	Husker Notes, Dec 12th

Wisconsin had whittled a 13 point deficit down to  6 points with 11:46 to play 
when NU Coach Danny Nee called his players together and bawled them out.
It took a minute, during which the Badgers closed the gap to two points,
but then the Huskers scored 22 of the next 28, securing their sixth win of
the young season, against one loss.  Final score, Nebraska 86, Wisconsin 67.
Danny Nee won his 200th game as a college coach in the process.

NU had 22 turnovers to Wisconsin's 13, but led in blocked shots 7-1, and had
six steals compared to Wisconsin's seven.  The Huskers shot 70.8% from the
free throw line (Nee had offered to 'bet the fans a million dollars' that
they would shoot better than 50%) versus Wisconsin's 66.7%.  The Huskers shot
55.2% from the field, Wisconsin only 32.1%.  

Point guard Jamar Johnson led NU with 20 points, center Derrick Chandler had 17,
and Dapries Owens had 14.  Webster (22) and McGee (16) were the only Badgers
in double figures.

In the first half of the double-header, the fifth-ranked Iowa Hawkeyes defeated
the Nebraska women's team 64-59, rallying from six points down in the last 5:22.
The NU women are now 4-2.  Only 627 spectators were on hand for this game,
but 11,510 showed up for the men's game. 
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  I saw in today's paper that CU's offensive coordinator, Gary Barnett, is
  the prime candidate for the head coaching job at Northwestern. He will
  probably accept it, if offered. 

  If he comes to terms with Northwestern, this will be the 2nd year in a row
  that CU has lost their offensive coordinator.

					Keith

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 16-DEC-1991 10:16:18.49
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Administrative Note-- The postings to the huskers mailing list are now
being posted on the unl.sports newsgroup on campus.  Our thanks to Nancy
Khawand at CRC for setting up the newsgroup and permitting the link.  This is 
currently a one-directional link, messages sent to the list will be posted to 
unl.sports, but postings directly to unl.sports will not be sent automatically 
to the list.  I may set up a relay mechanism to send those postings to the 
subscribers of the list at a future time.  For interested readers at unl,
there are currently around 30 subscribers to the huskers mailing list,
distributed rather widely around the USA and extending all the way to Israel.
Most are former UNL students or Nebraskans who get sporadic (at best) coverage
of Nebraska sports in their 'new' homes. 

Now that the California Raisin Bowl is over, Nebraska has the dubious 
distinction of being the biggest underdog in the 17 remaining bowl games,
at 10 1/2 points.  Tom Osborne says he doesn't care whether the Huskers are
underdogs or favorites, the important thing is for the team to play its best.
The team is taking the week off for finals, and then will travel to Florida 
where they will resume practice for the Orange Bowl.

The Nebraska Women's Volleyball team was defeated in the finals of the
Midwest Regional Championship on Saturday.  (Details forthcoming.)

As might be expected, Nebraska's 1992 scheduling of Middle Tennessee State, a
good Division 1-AA team, is drawing criticism.  Omaha World-Herald sportswriter
Tom Shatel writes about Nebraska's 'bully' image, and feels that NU should 
cancel out of the contract and seek out one of Long Beach State's abandoned
opponents which would cost the Huskers $100,000 as a cancellation penalty.  He 
(jokingly?) suggests that the spring game could be postponed until Sep. 12th.  
Tom Osborne's position is that a contract is a contract.

Kim Berke, a senior All-American on the UNL bowling team, averaged 247 for
the final four games to win the women's Nebraska Bowling Proprietors
Association U.S. Open qualifying tournament. The U. S. Open will be in
Fountain Valley, CA, in March.

A little sympathy for UN-Kearney, please!  Their basketball team shot 59% and 
had their third-highest point total ever, but still lost 140-128 to Central 
Oklahoma.  The 140 points represents the most points ever given up by the team.
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 17-DEC-1991 21:54:57.43
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Scott Saltsman, a 6-2, 255 lb middle guard from Wichita Falls, TX, has
given a non-binding oral commitment to come to Nebraska.

Nebraska center Karen Jennings was named the Big Eight women's basketball
player of the week.  The 6-2 junior scored 81 points in 3 games, as the
Huskers won the Illini Invitational in Champaign, IL.

The University of Arizona has asked for permission to talk to UNL Coach
Terry Pettit about their volleball coaching position.  Pettit says he has
been contacted before about such openings, and "I'm happy here at Nebraska."
As mentioned earlier, the Huskers were defeated in the finals of the MidEast
Regional NCAA Tournament Saturday by Ohio State, 9-15, 15-9, 17-16, 15-7.
The Huskers finished the season at 27-5.  

Nebraska scored four points to break a 9-9 tie in the first game, and
held a 9-5 lead in the 2nd game, but Ohio State scored the final 10 points to 
tie the match.  Ohio State had a 14-6 point lead in the crucial 3rd game 
but the Huskers fought back to take the lead at 15-14.  Ohio State then had
back-to-back kills to take a 16-15 lead, but Nebraska had two kills to
retie the score.  Ohio State won the tiebreaker after a Nebraska hitting
error.  The fourth game was won fairly easily by Ohio State.  The
attendance was 3,585.

NU has lost Patrick Hawthorne, a 6-7 forward junior college player who helped
lead Mississippi Gulf Coast JC to a 4th place finish at the National Junior
College tournament last season.  Hawthorne had been working on a class at 
Southeast Community College in Beatrice, NE, to complete his associates degree,
but has apparently run into difficulties and has left school.
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    So what'd you guys think?  Is Cale Gundy still overrated?  The Sooners
    (shock of shocks!) put on one of the most dominant passing displays
    I've seen in some time and certainly the most dominant in Oklahoma
    history (well, yeah, big deal, I know) in last night's Gator Bowl,
    a 48-14 win over slightly favored Virginia.  I told you guys that 
    Gundy just needed to be given the keys to the offense and allowed a 
    chance to run it...
    
    Better than Gundy was the offensive game plan, though.  Gary Gibbs
    and, perhaps more pertinently, his offensive coordinator have 
    definitely saved their jobs for another year.  Admittedly, most of 
    Gundy's work was on short, high-percentage stuff, but when he had to he
    did thread a few needles along the way (particularly to the freshman
    Albert Hall inside of triple zone coverage on that big gainer in the 
    second quarter).  OU's receivers also showed surprisingly good hands 
    for being so little used during the season, particularly the tight 
    ends (Brady and the other guy, the big man) who made some tough
    catches.  I think Oklahoma's offense just might be okay next year.  
    Unfortunately, there's always a down side.  The heart of the Sooners' 
    strength this season, their defense (LBs Bowden, Wilson, S Belser) is 
    moving on.  None of these guys will realize much of the credit they 
    deserve for keeping the program at at least a respectable level
    coming out of Barry Switzer's parting gift of a two-year probation.  
                                          
    Colorado looked pretty ragged on offense in a hard-hitting Blockbuster 
    Bowl game against Alabama.  I think their good fortune finally deserted
    them, but not before Darien Hagan put one last improbable scare
    into the opposition.  For a second there, I thought he was going
    to pull another one out in his final college game.  Gotta tip my cap to
    Hagan for a sparkling career at the helm of Colorado's resurgence.
    
    How 'bout that David Palmer kid for 'Bama, though?  Punt return
    for TD, great outstretched catch for TD, and he takes snaps as an
    option QB from time to time too?  Wow!  When's the last time you
    saw that?  From the single wing/option offenses of the 1950s?
    
    glenn
    

Sorry for the delay folks - I was on vacation all last week...

From:	DECPA::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 23-DEC-1991 11:46:14.97
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The Huskers left for Miami this morning (Monday) and plan to hold a practice
this afternoon and a full scrimmage on Christmas.  

Nebraska has received verbal committments from 7 Nebraska students, 6 out-of-
state students, and one junior college player:

RB - Damon Benning, 5-10, 175, Omaha Northwest
OL - Chris Dishman, 6-4, 273, Cozad
LB - Jon Hesse, 6-4, 205, Lincoln Southeast
OL - Jeff Ogard, 6-6, 275, St. Paul
E-LB - T. J. Scribner, 6-3, 220, Omaha Brownell-Talbot
CB - Eric Stokes, 5-10, 175, Lincoln East
LB - Ryan Terwilliger, 6-5, 205, Grant

OLB - Larry Arnold, 6-5, 210, Copley, Ohio
DT - Daryl Gardner, 6-9, 245, Lawton, Oklahoma
DB - Mike Minter, 5-10, 175, Lawton, Oklahoma
QB - Ben Rutz, 6-0, 180, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
MG - Scott Saltsman, 6-2, 255, Wichita Falls, Texas
RB - Marvin Sims, 5-9, 185, Apple Valley, Minnesota

DB - Toby Wright, 6-2, 205, Phoenix College

Because of a little-known conference rule, the Big Eight will buy a share of
Oklahoma's ticket allotment in the Gator Bowl this year.  Oklahoma is 
responsible for the purchase of 13,000 tickets.  But the Big Eight has a rule
that it can buy up to a fourth of a team's allotment to help out financially.
So the Big Eight is buying 3,300 Gator Bowl tickets at $30 each to fill out
Oklahoma's allotment.  The $99,000 purchasing price will be split among the
conference schools, meaning each school's bowl take will be $12,375 smaller.

OThe Nebraska men's basketball team won their 4th straight Ameritas Classic 
Championship in Lincoln last weekend, defeating Texas A & M on Friday and 
Eastern Washington on Saturday.  (Details hopefully to follow.)
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From:	DECPA::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 24-DEC-1991 13:38:02.02
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The Huskers preparation for the Miami passing attack was delayed as Nebraska
first had to overcome the Continental forklift attack yesterday.  

The plane which Nebraska had chartered from Continental Airlines to take the 
team to Florida was sitting at a gate in the Denver airport when a forklift 
ran into it and poked a hole in its side.  This caused a six-hour delay while 
a subtitute plane was routed to Lincoln.

The Huskers held their Monday workout in Lincoln rather than in Miami,
and by the time they got to Miami it was too late to do anything but
get something to eat and wait for their luggage.

The delay means that the $30,000 it costs per day to have the team on
the road was effectively wasted.  "Really, you wasted a whole day," Tom
Osborne said from Miami Monday night.  "We could have basically practiced
in Lincoln, done everything we did today, and come down in the morning."
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>    Colorado looked pretty ragged on offense in a hard-hitting Blockbuster 
>    Bowl game against Alabama.  
     
    McCartney is installing a new offense for next year, and decided to
    start with this game.  That offense is predominantly a passing attack,
    whick Mac feels is necessary to compete with the nation's best teams in
    the 90's.  This means that Kordell Stewart will undoubtedly be the
    starting QB next season because he is bigger than Vance Joseph and is
    a better passer.  At first I didn't like the decision - why not
    wait until spring ball.  But now it kind of makes sense to me.  If you
    wait until spring ball and pick it up again in August practice, you
    still won't get the benefit of a game to experiment with the offense
    in a game situation before the season.  Granted, Hagan won't be running
    the offense next year, but most of the offensive personnel will be
    back.
    
    McCartney (although he'd probably never admit it) may have essentially
    forfeited the Blockbuster Bowl to try a new offense on only 2 weeks
    practice.  I'm not saying CU wasn't playing to win, but Mac realized
    the risk of installing a new offense on short notice and was willing to
    take that risk.  Let's also give some credit to the Bama defense, one
    of the nation's best.
    
    Defensively, CU should be outstanding next year.  The Buffs will only
    be losing 2 starters on defense to graduation.
    
    This game was one of the strangest games I can recall watching.  Both
    teams didn't even combine for 100 yards at halftime, yet the score was
    12-10, due to special teams and defensive play.  Bama returned a punt
    for a TD.  They also had an interception return to the CU 1-yard line
    where the Tide ended up settling for a field goal.  The Buffs blocked a
    punt and took over at the Bama 4 and proceeded to take it in for a TD a
    couple plays later, and the CU defense also recorded a safety.  The
    only sustained offensive drive in the 1st half that resulted in points
    was right before the half when CU drove into field goal range and
    converted.  
    
    The 2nd half looked like a different game as Alabama scored 3 TD's and
    the Buffs scored 2.  I'm pretty satisfied with the result, considering
    that CU installed a new offense and still had a chance to win with
    about a minute left in the game.  But I'm *very* excited about next
    year.  The offensive line will again be the biggest question mark going
    into the season, along with how the new offense will progress.
    
>    How 'bout that David Palmer kid for 'Bama, though?  Punt return
>    for TD, great outstretched catch for TD, and he takes snaps as an
>    option QB from time to time too?  Wow!  When's the last time you
>    saw that?  From the single wing/option offenses of the 1950s?
    
    I didn't know about him until a few days before the game.  He made a
    couple of great moves early on in that punt return, and then had
    nothing but green grass and blockers in front of him.  If he's
    showcased enough next year, he could be a Heisman candidate.  He's only
    a freshman, right?
    
    
    Joe 

  Joe did a good job of summing up the CU-Bama game. I also think that Mac
  knew the risk of installing a new offense but needed to get a head start on 
  next year's game plan. In fact, I don't remember CU running one option play
  all night. I believe Hagan threw 40 times while he averaged 10-15 passes
  most of his career. Mac evidently believes the Buffs have the talent at 
  the skill positions to convert to a passing team. He's very high on freshman
  Kordell Stewart at QB even though Vance Joseph has played well when called 
  upon in pressure situations. QB may be CU's strongest position next year.
  Redshirt freshman Westbrook looks like a future NFL receiver. He's got size, 
  great hands, is rugged and hard to bring down. He also showed more speed 
  than I though he had when he ran away from the Bama defenders on his 65 
  yard pass reception. Charles Johnson has shown flashes of brilliance but 
  has chocked big time on a couple of long passes perfectly thrown by Hagan
  this year. Freshman Erik Mitchell who is the fastest CU player with something
  like a 4.26 forty will surely see more playing time next year. Most people
  think of Lamont Warren as a runner but he's also an excellent receiver out of
  the backfield. I like the way Mac adjusts his offense for the talent he has
  instead of trying to force the players into an offense they may not be 
  best suited for. 

  The offensive line should be better next year but still remains a big 
  question mark. Another thing I'm worried about is, can Mac and his coaching 
  staff successfully coach a passing team after running a ground attack offense 
  for the past 8-10 years ? I'm still optimistic for next year.

  It's good to see the Sooner's play well against Virginia. I think it shows
  that the Big 8 is a better conference than most people give it credit for
  when the 3rd place team completely dominated the Gator bowl. Gundy will
  be much more dangerous next year after such a good performance. Gibbs
  may not have compiled the record expected by the Sooner fans but he has
  brought respectibility to a scandal ridden program. I hope he does well in
  the future and wins all of his games next year except for the CU game.

  Next stop will be NU-Miami. I don't think Miami is as good as everybody
  thinks they are and I think NU is better than most people give them credit
  for. I think the game will be much closer than expected but Miami will 
  probably still win.

					Keith

    
    I understand Mac's reasoning to start with the new offense in the Bowl. 
    However I don't agree with it, and it didn't do much for CU as far as
    "showcasing" the school.   Furthermore, if I were a Senior I wouldn't 
    really appreciate the coach experimenting with my last game and a chance 
    to go out a winner.   Why not play only Juniors if he wants to practice 
    for next year?   A lot of Seniors worked hard to get to a bowl game  -
    would he have experimented if a number 1 ranking was on the line? 
    
    Bad timing in my opinion.
    
    Pat                                 
    

>  I believe Hagan threw 40 times while he averaged 10-15 passes
 
    Keith, Hagan threw 30 times the other night.  The Buffs also had 30
    runs.  To put the new offense in perspective, consider this: the
    closest CU came to a 50-50 ratio this year was 44 rushes and 24 passes
    in the opener against Wyoming.
    
>  The offensive line should be better next year but still remains a big 
>  question mark. Another thing I'm worried about is, can Mac and his coaching 
>  staff successfully coach a passing team after running a ground attack offense 
>  for the past 8-10 years ? I'm still optimistic for next year.

    Hope you're right about the offensive line.  CU started using the
    wishbone/option in '85 and had good success with it from the start, but a 
    passing attack is much tougher to convert to. 
    
    I was also glad OU won, especially it was the conference's last chance
    for a bowl win after the CU loss.  Plus, it sure would've been an
    embarrassment to the Big 8 if one of their teams would've lost to an
    Almost Close team.  :^)
    
    
    Joe 

    
    I agree that there was probably some thought towards next year with
    McCartney installing the new offense, but I disagree that the decision
    was in any way a virtual forfeit.  That just doesn't make sense.
    In spite of Colorado's recent Big 8 title success, in most years for
    most programs a Blockbuster berth is the result of a pretty successful
    season, and reason enough to play to win as a final result and not a 
    stepping stone.  Alabama's defense is a very tough one.  I think 
    McCartney realized he'd have to have a more balanced offense to beat
    that defense.  It may have been a wrong decision, but I think it
    was one that the Buffs made in a sincere attempt to win the game.
    
    Oklahoma essentially did the same thing in their game last night.
    They ran a number of well-designed passing and downfield blocking 
    schemes that they hadn't used before, and it certainly wasn't out
    of sacrifice for next season...
    
    glenn
    
     

      An OU QB throwing for 300+ yards.  I have never seen that!  Maybe OU
    is going to be changing their scheme?
    
    	Tj

Final OP Football Poll:
	
	NU  15
	OU  16
	CU  20

Looks like all 3 programs have a long way to go. This Big-8 is not a powerfull
football conference any more.

Nebraska Marty

> Looks like all 3 programs have a long way to go. This Big-8 is not a powerfull
> football conference any more.
    
    Let's not get panicky, though.  Colorado did finish #1 last year and
    came close in 1989, and Oklahoma has also won a national title as late 
    as 1985 and finished the regular season at #1 as late as 1987.  
    Contrast that with the Big Ten, which hasn't been there since 1968.
    
    Considering that Colorado is now for real and will be for years to
    come, and that Kansas and Kansas State have made some strides, I don't
    think the Big Eight has much to be ashamed of compared to the days of
    the Big Two.  Nebraska and Oklahoma can use some work, but in
    Oklahoma's case the probation made that very predictable...
    
    If Nebraska would get off their butts on bowl day occasionally (doesn't
    mean they actually even have to win, but at least show up), the
    conference would be quite respectable.
    
    glenn
    

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 12-JAN-1992 10:04:46.09
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"It was a total team effort", proclaimed Danny Nee, after Nebraska came back
in the 2nd half after trailing by as much as nine in the first half to beat
Colorado 84-74 in the Husker's Big Eight Conference opening game.  Soph.
Eric Piatkowski scored 20 points and five Huskers had double figures 
(Chandler-11, Hughes-10, Hayes-15, Chubick-10).  Nebraska shot 48.4% from
the field, Colorado 43.3%.  Nebraska was 16-21 in free throws, Colorado 10-14.

The Huskers also benefit from 8 out of 15 shots from long range, and their
zone defense held Colorado to just 13 points in the final ten minutes.

Nebraska becomes the first Big Eight team to win on the road, as Iowa State
defeated Oklahoma 73-71 in Ames, and Oklahoma State had previously defeated
Kansas State in Stillwater.

Danny Nee has started the NCAA countdown, he figures that Nebraska only needs
six more wins to earn an invitation.  A road win is a big help.  Nebraska is
now 13-9 in the Coors Events Center in Boulder.  Attendance was 6,706.
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From:	DECPA::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 23-JAN-1992 08:17:38.59
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Nebraska tight end Johnny Mitchell will forgoe his final two years of
eligibility and declare himself eligible for the NFL draft this spring.
This reverses Mitchell's earlier announcement back in December.  Since
he was not expected to be available, the NFL scouts have not seriously
evaluated him, but speculation is that he could be a late first round
or early second round draft choice.  

Racial tension on campus has increased since Scott Baldwin's alleged assault
of a 23 year old white woman on Saturday.  Supporters of both individuals held
separate rallies on campus yesterday.  Baldwin is still undergoing evaluation
at the Nebraska Regional Center to determine his competency for trial.  The
woman is still hospitalized with a skull fracture and possible brain damage.

Schedule note:  The Nebraska-Oklahoma men's basketball game will be on
ESPN next Monday, tipoff at 8:30 central time.
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    The Buffs have gotten a verbal commitment from Koy Detmer, Ty's younger
    brother.  He threw for 8221 yards on 65-percent passing during his
    high school career - both are Texas state records.  He threw for 2943
    yards and 36 TD's this year on a state-record 69-percent completion
    percentage.
    
    
    Joe

  I've got mixed feelings about Mitchell going to the NFL. On the one hand,
  it will hurt NU and increase the odds of CU defeating them next year. On
  the other hand, I think Mitchell was the best tight end in college football
  and probably the best player in the Big 8. I'll miss watching his superb 
  play. He's the first guy that I can remember going to the NFL as a sophmore.
  I predict he'll be a big success in the NFL and I think he should be a
  #1 pick.

  Koy Detmer's High School stats are very impressive. I just hope CU can
  attract some more quality receivers and offensive lineman to make him
  more effective. Does anybody know big Koy Detmer is ? The only bad rap
  about his brother is that he's too small to play in the NFL. With Vance 
  Joseph and Kordell Stewart ready to tale over for Hagan, I wonder if he'll 
  be redshirted next year. CU is loaded with quality QB's.

	Keith

>  I've got mixed feelings about Mitchell going to the NFL. On the one hand,
>  it will hurt NU and increase the odds of CU defeating them next year. On
>  the other hand, I think Mitchell was the best tight end in college football
>  and probably the best player in the Big 8. I'll miss watching his superb 
>  play. He's the first guy that I can remember going to the NFL as a sophmore.

    With Mitchell leaving it will certainly take away from the pre-game
    trash talk the week before the CU-NU game.  I read he's the first
    underclassman to leave Nebraska for the NFL draft.
    
>  With Vance 
>  Joseph and Kordell Stewart ready to tale over for Hagan, I wonder if he'll 
>  be redshirted next year. CU is loaded with quality QB's.

    That's a good point about him being redshirted.  I doubt he could come
    step in and play much next fall without the benefit of spring ball.
    
    RE: his size
    When he first became interested in CU a couple of weeks ago I recall
    reading that he is bigger than Ty, but I don't recall his exact size.
    
    
    Joe

  Today's Rocky Mtn News reported that a highly recruited running back from
  San Diego, Rashaan Salaam, has agreed to attend CU. The CU recruiter's were 
  reported to be euphoric. It also reported that Chuck Snowden, who was an 
  excellent backup to Bieniemy but missed last year because of injuries, will 
  attempt to make a comeback. Ever though Lamont Warren is an excellent 
  running back, this is great news because there wasn't much talent behind 
  Warren. If Salaam or suspended Kontroy Barber turn out to be as good as 
  expected, I wouldn't be surprised to see Warren shifted at least part time 
  to wide receiver(ala Mike Pritcard) in the coming years. I believe his
  chances of becoming a pro may be better at wide receiver.

  Now I just wish the newspapers would report that some highly recruited
  monster offensive linemen have agreed to attend CU. This is where they
  still need the most help.

  Also, the CU running back coach complained of chest pains while recruiting
  in California. He was rushed back to Denver where he received quaddruple
  by-pass heart surgery. He is listed in serious but stable condition. 

				Keith

>                               -< Koy is 6-1, 160 >-

  Yep, if Koy Detmer is only 160 lbs, I expect the coaches to feed him
  a lot of donuts and redshirt him for a year before they put him in a 
  position where a couple of 300 lb linemen could end his career real fast.
  
  BTW, the first pre-season poll I've heard of has the Buffs listed as #5.
  I believe Miami was listed #1 with Washington #2 and Florida #3.

  Is it too early to make some preseason predictions ?

			Keith

>  Now I just wish the newspapers would report that some highly recruited
>  monster offensive linemen have agreed to attend CU. This is where they
>  still need the most help.

    I think we're only hearing about the 'big-name' signees at glamour
    positions.  Don't forget, all these commitments we're hearing about are
    only verbal commitments - nobody has given their John Hancock yet.
    We'll know the full story on letter-of-intent day, which should only be 
    about a week or 2 away.
    
    After seeing Koy's size, I agree that just increases the possibility
    they'll redshirt him to give him time to put some weight on.
    
    Keith, whose poll was that and where did you find it?  I was surprised
    to see Washington at #2 because I thought they were losing quite a few
    people - Mario Bailey and Emtman (sp?) in particular.
    
    
    Joe

>    Keith, whose poll was that and where did you find it?  

   I can't remember. It was briefly mentioned on one of the Denver news 
   broadcasts, either ch 2 or ch 4. 

>   We'll know the full story on letter-of-intent day, which should only be 
>   about a week or 2 away.

   All of this verbal-commitment, letter-of-intent stuff is new to me. It's
   a lot easier to get information about players in the NFL draft publications.
   If you find out any more information about who's going to wear the Black
   and Gold, post it here. I'd be interested.

   After the Blockbuster Bowl fiasco and all the offensive coaching changes, 
   I'm actually surprised that CU has gotten a commitment from Detmer and 
   a couple of other high profile players.

   BTW do you know who to contact to order tickets for some of next year's
   games. The Oklahoma game could be a great one with the new passing
   attacks of both teams.

					Keith

    Keith,
    Players can decide to go to a school whenever they want, it just
    doesn't become official until they sign a letter of intent, and that
    can't be done until letter-of-intent day, which should be coming up
    soon.  Anyway, the day after letter-of-intent day the local papers will
    have plenty of info on all the Buffs' recruits.
    
    
    Joe

    
    Does anyone have the final score from last nites Okie-Nebraska game and
    who won. Thanks in advance
    
    
    Tom

    Oklahoma 79 Nebraska 76
    
    JD

Big comeback by the Saooners.

They were down 7 with a minute and a half to go. Got the ball down 76-74
with 30 seconds or so. Brent Price hit a three to go up 77-76. Nebraska
missed a 3 point attempt with about 8 seconds to go. Oklahoma got the
rebound and dunked it for the final score 79-76.

TTom

    Hey Keith, you wanted to hear about some big offensive linemen
    committing to CU, well here's one for you: Matt Jones, a 6-7 320-pound
    tackle committed to CU yesterday.  And his high school coach says he's
    still growing!  He's a 2-time all-state player from Bucyrus (Ohio) HS
    and picked CU over Indiana.  The Buffs plan to redshirt him and reduce
    his weight to about 300 pounds.  He is considered to be a project.
    
    Jones is the fifth offensive lineman to commit to CU, joining Chris
    Naole (6-4, 290) of Kahuku, Hawaii; Pat Corcoran (6-4, 277 of Bay City
    Michigan; Heath Irwin (6-5, 250) of Boulder; and Gerald Ancor (6-3,
    260) of Marrero, Louisiana.
    
    BTW, the signing date is Feb. 5th.
    
    
    Joe                                                            

>    Hey Keith, you wanted to hear about some big offensive linemen
>    committing to CU, well here's one for you: Matt Jones, a 6-7 320-pound
>    tackle committed to CU yesterday.  And his high school coach says he's
>    still growing!  He's a 2-time all-state player from Bucyrus (Ohio) HS
>    and picked CU over Indiana.  The Buffs plan to redshirt him and reduce
>    his weight to about 300 pounds.  He is considered to be a project.
    
  From what you said, it sounds like they got a completely new offensive
  line when they signed this one guy. If Matt Jones is 320 lbs and still 
  growing, he'll probably be slow but it will take the defenders about 
  15 minutes to run around him. So he's still growing and they want to
  redshirt him for a year to get him down to 300. Saying that Jones is a 
  "project", has to be the understatement of the week.  

>  Gerald Ancor (6-3, 260) of Marrero, Louisiana.

  The CU recruiter's must be well known in Marrero, Louisiana. They've
  already got QB's Vance Joseph and Kordell Stewart and FB Kendall Bussey
  from Marrero, Louisiana. They are all excellent player's. 
 
  Where did you come up with all of this info on the new offensive linemen ?
  Thanks for the posting it.

				Keith

>  If Matt Jones is 320 lbs and still 
>  growing, he'll probably be slow but 

    He only runs a 5.5 40, but his first 10 yards are surprisingly quick.

>  The CU recruiter's must be well known in Marrero, Louisiana. They've
>  already got QB's Vance Joseph and Kordell Stewart and FB Kendall Bussey
>  from Marrero, Louisiana. They are all excellent player's. 
    
    Do you know what happened to Bussey - did he get redshirted?  Also,
    have you heard anything about that fullback they recruited from the Miami
    area last year? (Can't recall his name right now.)
    
  
>  Where did you come up with all of this info on the new offensive linemen ?
 
    The Denver Post.                                  
    
    
    Joe

>    He only runs a 5.5 40, but his first 10 yards are surprisingly quick.

	That actually sounds pretty fast considering the guy almost weighs
	as much as my ex boss.

>    Do you know what happened to Bussey - did he get redshirted?  

	Bussey played a little last year. He even had one or two carries in the
	Blockbuster bowl. He probably didn't carry the ball more that 5 or 6
	times all year but it probably still counts as a year of eligibility.

>   Also, have you heard anything about that fullback they recruited from 
>   the Miami area last year? (Can't recall his name right now.)
    
	Yes, Kontroy Barber was kicked off the team for a year. He and a couple 
	of other players used another player's credit card without permission
	to buy some sporting goods. I don't think any criminal charges were
	made. Mac found out and suspensioned all three. He'll miss spring 
	practice and all of next year. He was the prize recruit last year and 
	was redshirted. So, after his suspension, he'll still have 2 years of
	eligibility.

		Keith

    Keith -
    
    I don't have any idea who your ex boss is,, but I was absolutely
    rolling when I read that line!
    
    JD

>	made. Mac found out and suspensioned all three. He'll miss spring 
>	practice and all of next year. He was the prize recruit last year and 
>	was redshirted. So, after his suspension, he'll still have 2 years of
>	eligibility.

    I thought I had heard something about him getting in trouble, but
    wasn't quite sure.  After his suspension, shouldn't he still have 3
    years left?  (1 redshirt, 1 suspended, 3 more eligible)
    
    
    Joe

  You're right Joe, he should have 3 more years to contribute to the team.

  So when does spring practice start ?

	Keith

>  So when does spring practice start ?

    First or second week in April, can't remember which.
    
    
    Joe

    
     Ol' Uncle Hootsie will be happy to here about the kid from Bucyrus.
    Thats his home town and he hates the Buff's...  I think I'll call
    him and rub his nose in it a bit !!
    
    BG

  The Buffs have gotten verbal commitments from the 2 most highly rated
  high school linebackers in Colorado. Greg Jones(Kennedy High) is rated 
  as the top outside linebacker in the nation. He verbally commited in mid
  December. Thadus Swazer(Montebello High) is rated as the 19th best outside 
  linebacker in the nation. He verbally committed yesterday. Both of these
  guys were being actively recruited by Nebraska and Miami.

  They only have one more slot to fill to complete the 25 scholarship's
  allowed this year. 

  Channel 4 news said that this year may be the best recruiting class that
  CU has ever had.

			Keith

    With Colorado beating the awful Billy Tubbs and the Cornhuskers 
    mainhandling the Cowboys the Big8 has served notice that being
    regarded this year's best conference is deserved.
    
    However, the wonderful thing about college hoops is that they'll
    get a chance to prove exactly that when March Madness rolls around.
    
    Every team (with the sole exception of the University of North 
    Carolina Star Heels) will put it all on the line as a conference and
    as individual teams to prove themselves by achieving the best possible
    meaningless end-of-season peak.
    
    Big10 Tom

  Re -1.

  You made some good points. ESPN showed an interesting stat a few days
  ago. They showed that every team in the Big 8, from first to last, has
  a winning record. Now that they are in the middle of the interconference
  schedule and bumping each other off, it shows that every team did very
  well against non conference teams.

  The Cowboys and the Jayhawks meet this weekend. Each team has one loss.
  It should be a great game. I think Duke is the best team in the nation
  but even though the Cowboys lost, I think they are the 2nd best.
  Byron Huston is a stud.

		Keith

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan"  5-FEB-1992 22:47:28.47
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Subj:	Husker Notes, Feb 5th

National Letter of Intent Signing Day is usually big news in Lincoln, but
Danny Nee upstaged Osborne by pulling off Nebraska's biggest basketball win 
in 10 years, defeating #2 ranked Oklahoma State 85-69.  Jamar Johnson had 25 
points, a career high, three other Huskers (Hayes-15, Chandler-14, 
Piatkowski-10) were in double figures.  The turnover prone Huskers committed 
only 15 turnovers, well below their season average.  Nebraska also had 8 
blocked shots to OSU's 3.

Nebraska shot 52%, only the 2nd team to shoot above 50% against the fierce
Oklahoma State defense.  (Marquette was the other.)  The Cowboys shot 
only 38%.  Nebraska was also the first team to lead Oklahoma State at
halftime.  The Huskers are now 15-4 for the season, 3-3 in the conference,
while Oklahoma State drops to 20-1, 4-1 in the conference.  The Cowboys have
to play conference leader Kansas on Saturday.

The sellout crowd (14000+) at the Bob Devaney Sports Center in Lincoln
made so much noise it was difficult to hear the game over the radio, and
poured onto the floor at the end of the game.

The win came on the evening of the 10th anniversary of the biggest win in
Nebraska basketball history, when they defeated #1 Missouri.

Upstated by the basketball team was the football team signings.  Tommy Frazier,
considered by many the top option quarterback prospect in the nation, was
expected to sign his national letter of intent to come to Nebraska.  The
Huskers also signed another All-American QB, Ben Rutz from Oklahoma.

Frazier, from Bradenton, Florida, had been considering Notre Dame and Clemson,
and almost didn't bother with a recruiting visit to Lincoln, waiting until
the last weekend.  Maybe he was influenced by the 65 degree weather, although
the assistant coaches kept coming by saying, "Man!  It's cold today!".

Frazier gave as his primary reason for deciding on Nebraska the fact that he
would get to work closely with Tom Osborne, who works with QB's.  Since the
Huskers have only one returning QB with experience, 5th year senior Mike Grant,
Osborne gave Frazier his word that he would give him a chance to play.

Frazier has 4.5 speed, and in his final two seasons ran for 1600 yards and
33 touchdowns, while passing for 2600 yards and 30 touchdowns.  He
hasn't decided whether he will try to play his freshman year, or red-shirt.

The Nebraska Board of Regents has reaffirmed their decision last summer not
to extend the contract of NU Athletic Director Bob Devaney past January of 
1993.  The 75 year old former head coach had made a personal request for
a reconsideration of the decision, but has accepted an offer to work with
the university in a fund-raising capacity after his retirement.

Five former Huskers were selected in the WLAF draft in the first 14 rounds:
DL Le Andre Anderson by Birmingham, LB Pat Tyrance by Sacramento, DT Kent
Wells by Ohio, WR Richard Bell by Barcelona, and TE Keith Neubert by Montreal.
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>    With Colorado beating the awful Billy Tubbs and the Cornhuskers 
>    mainhandling the Cowboys the Big8 has served notice that being
>    regarded this year's best conference is deserved.
  
    Good to see the conference getting the recognition - Vitale also called
    it the best conference last night.  Colorado also took KU into OT a
    couple weeks ago.
      
>    However, the wonderful thing about college hoops is that they'll
>    get a chance to prove exactly that when March Madness rolls around.
    
    I think it was 2 seasons ago when the Big 8 had 3 teams ranked in the
    top 5 for much of the season and was also being called the best that
    season, only to end up with *ZERO* teams in the Sweet 16.
    
    RE: KU-OSU
    If the Jayhawks can beat OSU, they could move into the #1 spot in the
    country.  However, I believe this game is in Stillwater.  If OSU wins,
    I would expect Duke to stay #1 in a fairly close vote.
    
    RE: football recruiting
    CU's class should be a top-10 one and possible even a top-5 in the
    nation.  They're saving 1 scholarship WR Mercury Hayes of Houston - he
    said he will decide in the next few days between CU, Florida State, and
    Michigan.  The papers will have plenty of info in the next day or two.
    
    
    Joe

    	The Sporting News a few weeks back said that taking the Monday
    night late game on ESPN that the Big 10 abandoned was one of the
    best things to happen to the Big 8.
    
    				/Don

    USA Today ranked the top 5 teams:
    5: Florida
    4: Florida St. 
    3: Colorado
    2: Miami
    1: Notre "$E#$#%" Dame

    jealousy will get you nowhere Jeff.
    remember, CU sips (and Af too) 8^)
    
    MikeL
    Stay away from the GB this PM
    
 

    The amazing thing about the 3 FLorida teams in the top 5 is that most
    of their recruits are native Floridians.
    
    Miami recruited a defensive lineman that Erickson saw cuz he played
    against Erickson's son in H.S. and kilt him!
    
    JD
    
    PS:  The Washington Huskies chickened out of a proposed meeting with
    Miami in the Meadowlands clash. The players voted no - used academics
    as a reason - given that UW has the lowest grad rate for footballers in
    the PAC-10, and given other whiney, flimsy excuses, it is painfully
    obvious the only reason is cuz they know they'd get their butts
    whipped, and expose to the voters the sham they perpetuated on the
    legions lasted year...

      Re-1   Wash Vs Miami,
    
      I don't see how that game would have any relevance on this past years
    teams and rankings.  Alot of the starters are gone,  so both teams
    aren't the same as this past year.
    
      Even if they did play, and lets say Wash did win, they would not have
    a right IMO to state they should have been Natl chumps in 91!
    
    Tim

    
    	I believe that was your basic *major league chain yank* there
    	Timothy........
    
    	Claybroon

I think the Huskies wimped out of this one as well. They won't have any right
to whine should the same scenario hold place this year as last year.

Of course Miami had no reason to whine this year because they wimped out of
playing anybody decent for their bowl game :-)

Right JD?

Metz

    Rigth Metz -
    
    Of course, UW wimped out of playing anyone of consequence all year -
    right Metz ;-)
    
    JD

Yup. That Michigan sure was a poor team. #4 in the country when they played in
the Rose Bowl. Heisman tropy winner. New aerial offense. 

Cal and Stanford were some pretty piss poor teams this year also...


I still wish they had the guts to play Miami in the season opener though....


Metz

    Hey Metz -
    
    This shouldn't be in the Big 8 note.  Lets move it to the Pathetic 10
    note!  ;_)
    
    JD

    CU lost a recruiting battle to mighty Michigan for wide receiver
    Mercury Hayes of Houston.  The Buffs still have a scholarship left to
    use.
    
    ESPN's Thursday night schedule this fall will include Big 8 teams three
    times: 
           Sept. 3rd, Oklahoma-Texas Tech
           Sept. 24th, California-Kansas
           Oct. 8th, Colorado at Missouri
           
    
    The Buffs finally got a national TV game last night against Iowa State
    only to have it pre-empted by the Tyson verdict on ESPN.  The Buffs
    came back nicely to tie the game at 77 and send it into OT but got
    blown away in the OT: final, 96-82.
    
    Big 8 standings thru last night:
    
                      Conf.     All
    Oklahoma State    5-1       21-1
    Kansas            5-1       17-2
    Missouri          4-2       16-3
    Nebraska          3-4       15-5
    Iowa State        3-3       17-5
    Kansas State      2-4       12-7
    Oklahoma          2-5       14-6
    Colorado          1-5       10-9
    
    In the latest AP top 25, Oklahoma State is ranked 2nd, Kansas is tied
    for 4th, and Missouri is ranked 9th.
    
    
    Joe

    My, isn't it nice to see the awful Billy Tubbs languishing near the
    bottom of the conference standings.  I'm hoping somebody will run
    the score up against them before the year is out.
    
    MrT

    Every time I see Tubbs, I'm reminded of Jack Nicholson in "The Shining"
    Truly gruesome
    

    UMass over Oklahoma by a bundle in early January must have been very
    nice for all you Tubbs-haters.  Heck, I enjoyed the hell out of it and
    I don't even dislike the guy.  I'm sort of neutral towards him.
    
    Ninj

    The Buffs stunned Oklahoma State last night, 57-53.  That leaves KU a
    game ahead of OSU and the Cowboys still have to play at Lawrence in a 
    couple weeks.  
    
    As mentioned on ESPN last night, there's a decent chance that *all* 8
    teams from the Big 8 will end up in postseason play - I bet that's
    never happened.
    
    And yes, CU's home floor is ugly.
    
    McCartney has suspended safety Eric Hamilton for his final year of
    eligibility because of a DUI last Friday.  CU will now only return 8
    starters on defense next year.
    
    
    Joe

    re: .471
    
    8 of 9 Big East teams have appeared in postseason, probalby 8 from the
    ACC or Big Ten have done that at some point or another.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Just to give him a pat on the back.
    
    		Tom Garry correctly predicted that Colorado would
    		beat Oklahoma State.
    
    Jimbo
    
    

    Somebody better tale the Buffalos they're not that good or there's
    gonna be trouble in Big8 land.
    
    MrT

 >Just to give him a pat on the back.
    
  >  		Tom Garry correctly predicted that Colorado would
  >    		beat Oklahoma State.
    
    
 probably predicted it and then bet OSU anyways  ;^)
    

  Here's a list of the CU recruits who have signed their LOI:

	Koy Detmer		QB	6-1	160	Mission, Texas
	Nathan Campbell		RB	5-10	185	Alief, Texas
	Rashaan Salaam		RB	6-2	205	San Diego, Ca.
	Rae Carruth		WR	6-1	191	Sacremento, Ca.
	Shay Davis		WR	6-1	170	Green Mtn
	James Kidd		WR	5-8	160	Sacremento, Ca.
	Keenan Gardner		TE	6-4	215	Barstow, Ca.
	Steve Rosga		S-WR	6-2	185	St Paul, Minn
	Thadus Swazer		LB	6-5	220	Montbello
	Gerald Ancar		OG	6-4	257	Marerro, La.
	Pat Corcoran		OG	6-4	277	Bay City, Mich
	Heath Irwin		OG	6-5	250	Boulder
	Matt Jones		OT	6-7	320	Bucyrus, Ohio
	Matt Lepsis		OT	6-4	250	Frisco, Texas
	Chris Naeole		OT	6-5	295	Kahuka, Hawaii
	Shannon Clavelle	DT	6-4	268	New Orleans
	Maurice Henriques	CB	6-1	188	Alief, Texas
	Greg Jones		OLB	6-5	210	Denver
	Jeff Nabholz		ILB	6-3	215	St Louis
	Matt Russell		ILB	6-2	236	Belleville, Ill.
	Dalton Simmons		DB	6-1	175	Marrero, La.
	Kyle Smith		DT	6-5	255	Torrington, Wyo.
	Deren Tadlock		CB	6-1	180	Boulder
		
	Rashaan Salaam went to a $7000/yr private high school where they
	played an 8 man/80 yard field. Even with the 80 yard field, his
	statistics are staggering. As a junior, he rushed for 2,064 yards
	on 118 carries (a 17.5 yard average) and scored 51 TDs. In 25 HS games,
	he rushed for 5,050 yards and scored 105 TDs. The word is, that if
	he played on a 100 yard field, he would have gained another 1000 yards.
	He's been described by the rating services as a tremendous talent.
	If he turns out to be as good as his press clippings, I expect to
	see Lamont Warren(who holds the CU freshman rushing records) to be
	moved to wide receiver.

				Keith	

    What, no mention of the *unbelievable* results of last nights hoops
    action?!  As I recall, four (4) Big 8 games took place last night, each
    of which resulted in a ranked team getting beaten!
    
    Watch out for these teams come tourney time - they've certainly been
    battle-tested.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

                   -< Top Conference in America?  Possibly. >-
    
    No, definitely the best conference in America.  :^)
    
    Last night in the Big 8 was a microcosm of what has been happening in 
    college basketball this season: When a ranked team goes on the road in 
    the conference, anything can happen.
    
    For the third straight Wednesday, CU upset a ranked opponent at home,
    beating Missouri 77-60.  If CU only would've knocked off KU at home a
    few weeks ago they'd have a good shot at the Big Dance.  As it stands
    now, they remain a longshot but will probably get into the NIT.  Pretty
    good for a rebuilding year.
    
    Nebraska beat KU in OT, 81-79.  I switched over to this one just as it
    went into OT, but then my wife came back in the room and she made me
    turn back to the stupid figure skating. :^(  KU's Adonis (sp) Jordan
    had a layup attempt blocked as time ran out in regulation. 
    
    Oklahoma beat Oklahoma State at Stillwater to end OSU's 28-game home
    winning streak.  OSU has now lost 3 in a row and 4 of their last 5.
    
    K-State beat Iowa State, 64-55.  I just noticed that ISU is ranked
    23rd, so ACC Chris is right, the 4 ranked teams in the conference lost.
                 
    
    Standings
    
                   Conf.  All
    Kansas         7-2    19-3
    Missouri       6-3    18-4
    Oklahoma St.   5-4    21-4
    Iowa State     4-5    18-7
    Nebraska       4-5    16-6
    Oklahoma       4-5    16-6
    Kansas St.     3-6    13-9
    Colorado       3-6    12-10 
        
    
    Joe
    

    Joe,
    
    Your note strongly looks like a deja-vu of the Big East!
    
    
    
    	COPYCAT!!!!!!!!
    
    ;^)
    
    Kev
    

 Actually Joe, it was Alonzo Jamieson who had his shot blocked at the end of
 regulation. Why he was jamming the dam thing I'll never know. By going for the
 layup he allowed the Nebraska player to get back into the play as he was ahead
 of the field. Of course being a NUKEWIDEBODYSTUD(TM) his dribbling wasn't the
 greatest which also allowed the NU player to get back into the play.

 Horrible game at the foul line for both teams. If they think they're going
 far in the tourney, they won't if they shoot like that.

 mike

    Oklahoma State continued their dive by losing to Missouri yesterday -
    the Cowboys' 4th straight loss and 5th in their last 6 games.  Byron
    Houston didn't play for OSU, but neither did Anthony Peeler of
    Missouri.
    
    Saturday:
    Colorado lost at Oklahoma as expected, 99-83.  
    
    Kansas needed a last-second shot to beat K-State, 54-52.
    
    Nebraska, in somewhat of a surprise, won at Iowa State 80-70.  It was
    ISU's first home loss this season and Nebraska's 2nd-straight win over
    a ranked team.
    
    I think Nebraska and Oklahoma have just about sealed up tournament
    bids.  Oklahoma could all but wrap up a bid by winning at Kansas
    tonight, but that's a tough task.  Iowa State may be back on the
    bubble, but if they can knock off Missouri tomorrow night, the Cyclones
    should be in.
    
    Kansas State and CU are the only teams in the conference with little
    chance of making the tournament, but both teams will probably make the
    NIT.  These teams need to get a hot streak going or win the Big 8
    tournament 
    
    If Kansas doens't falter too much the rest of the way they should get
    a #1 seed in one of the regions.
    
    
    Joe
                     

      Didn't OSUs slide start with a loss to colorado?

>      Didn't OSUs slide start with a loss to colorado?
    
    No, CU was their 2nd loss.  Their first loss was to Nebraska.
    
    Joe

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 26-FEB-1992 10:52:31.47
To:	[email protected]
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Subj:	Husker Notes, Feb 26th

First the good news:  The Huskers are ranked 25th in the AP College Basketball
poll this week.  Danny Nee had said back in early January that he didn't want
to be rated before Feb 15th but did want to be rated by the end of Feb., 
because THAT'S when it matters.  (It will affect seeding into the NCAA 
tournament.)

The Big Eight Conference is the only one in the nation with EVERY team having
a record above .500, leading to speculation in the press that the Big Eight
could indeed place six teams in the NCAA tournament.  The Omaha World-Herald
suggests that Nebraska might be placed in the Southeast Regional field.

Now the bad news:  The Huskers have to travel to Stillwater to play Oklahoma
State tonight.  Aside from the fact that road games are tougher than home
games, OSU's home court is very friendly to them, and they are probably hot
for revenge for two weeks ago's first loss of the season at the hands of
the Huskers (which started a 1-5 skid for OSU), Nee has suspended Carl Hayes 
for one game because of a minor disciplinary infraction.  And All-American 
forward Byron Houston's ankle injury, which kept him out of the Missouri game, 
is healing and he is listed as 'probable'.  (At least the game isn't on ESPN!)

Tom Osborne has permanently suspended two players and placed several others on
indefinite suspension due to a brawl with members of the NU baseball team 
during a house party on Saturday.  Although Osborne didn't release the
names, the Lincoln Star says that WR Jeffrey Hughes and LB Brian Havens
are the ones permanently suspended.  Others also ticketed by the police on
suspicion of misdemeanor offenses were DT Terry Connealy, QB Todd
Gragano, OL Zach Wieert, and LB Lance Gray.  Also ticketed was former NU OL
Raymone Reifenrath.  They are scheduled to appear in Lancaster County
Court around March 11th.  None of the members of the baseball team, which
reports say may have started the fight, have been disciplined yet, and
apparently none were ticketed by the police.  The dispute may have started
when several of the baseball players tried to get two football players to
leave because they wouldn't pay a cover charge for beer at the party.
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  I saw in yesterday's Rocky Mtn News that Buffalo Defensive Back Deon Figures
  was arrested for DUI. There's been no word yet on what deciplinary actions
  will be taken by Mac but it will probably be a one year suspension or he'll
  be kicked off the team permanently. Many people felt that Figures would
  be one of the premier defensive backs in the nation for the upcoming
  season. This is the 2nd time this month that a CU defensive back has been 
  arrested for DUI.

			Keith  

    Mac hasn't said anything about Figures yet because he's out of town.  I
    don't see any reason to believe that Figures won't be kicked off the
    team.  He was also suspended for the '89 season for disciplinary
    reasons.
    
    Joe

    Colorado's chances of making the NCAA tournament went out the window
    with a 74-66 home loss to Kanasas State.  CU is now 12-12 overall and
    needs to finish at .500 or better to meet NIT qualifications.  Chances
    are they'll finish below .500 because 2 or their last 3 are on the
    road.
    
    Joe

                     Conf.  All
    Kansas           10-2   22-3
    Missouri         8-4    20-5
    Oklahoma St.     6-6    22-6
    Nebraska         6-6    18-7
    Oklahoma         6-6    18-7
    Kansas St.       5-7    15-10
    Iowa St.         4-8    18-10
    Colorado         3-9    12-13
    
    Tonight:
    Colorado at OSU
    Kansas at Iowa St.
    Kansas St. at Nebraska
    Oklahoma at Missouri
    
    NCAA Tourney:
    Oklahoma St., Kansas, and Missouri will get in.  Nebraska and Oklahoma
    are all but in.  If they take a 6th team from the Big 8, it will
    probably be Iowa State, but Kansas State has been hot lately.  If ISU
    knocks off KU tonight, it'll be hard to leave them out.
    
    
    Joe
    
    

    Deon Figures will be suspended for the opener against CSU due to his
    recent drunk driving arrest.
    
    
    Read where Nebraska home football tickets will rise from $18.50 to $20
    this fall, except for the CU game which will be $28.  
    
    Still not a rivalry though.
    
    
    Joe

>    Deon Figures will be suspended for the opener against CSU due to his
>    recent drunk driving arrest.
    
    I'm surprised Figures wasn't kicked off the team. He was arrested
    for DUI and not DWI. There is a difference. Do you have any more
    information on why he was only suspended for one game  while
    Eric Hamilton who was also arrested for either DWI or DUI was suspended
    for one year ?

		Keith
    
>    Read where Nebraska home football tickets will rise from $18.50 to $20
>    this fall, except for the CU game which will be $28.  

    Yep, to the Husker's, it's just like playing Kansas State or Iowa State.
    Just another game.	

    (which they haven't won in over three years)

    
		Keith

    
>    I'm surprised Figures wasn't kicked off the team. He was arrested
>    for DUI and not DWI. There is a difference. Do you have any more
>    information on why he was only suspended for one game  while
>    Eric Hamilton who was also arrested for either DWI or DUI was suspended
>    for one year ?

    Hamilton's DUI was his 2nd.

>    Yep, to the Husker's, it's just like playing Kansas State or Iowa State.
>    Just another game.	
>
>    (which they haven't won in over three years)

    I thought Nebraska won last year?  :^) 
    
    
    Joe
    

      Joe,  I think 'Braska and CU tied.   Isn't that why they tied for the
    Big 8?   Or was it CU lost to Neb. and Neb lost to OU?
    
      Volatle memory I guess.....
    
    	Tim

  Yea, but a tie with CU is a moral victory for the Husker's so I quess
  Joe was right a few replays back.

		Keith

CU AND OU are $28.00 at Nebraska when they are a home game. Hey, this is
America - make a buck when you can you know.

What the admin charges for tickets in no way reflects how the team looks at
the game. I bet OU and CU charge more for NU tickets as well.

Just because Johny Mitchell makes a statement (and he IS the one who said it)
you CU folks (I wanted to insert a different word there) think it gives you
license to talk sh$t about the whole NU team and program. Give it a rest.

Marty Moose

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 10-MAR-1992 22:19:36.79
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I got the following story from the radio, I hope I didn't mess up any details:

Oklahoma lodged a protest with the Big Eight over their fourth place seed in
the Big Eight Basketball tournament this weekend.  (Which matched them up
against Nebraska in round 1.)  It seems that there was a procedural error
in the calculation of the tie-breaks and that Oklahoma and Missouri were
actually tied for 3rd place.

So, during a conference call of the athletic directors of the Big Eight,
it was decided to hold a random drawing to see who got the 3rd place seed,
and who got the 4th place.  (3rd place plays Iowa State in round 1.)

In what can only be described as poetic justice, Missouri 'won' the drawing
and retains the 3rd place seed.  So, OU-NU-III is on for Friday at about noon.
The local sentiment in Lincoln is that this could well backfire against the
Sooners.  

Iowa State coach Johnny Orr and Oklahoma coach Billy Tubs feel that the
Big Eight postseason tournament has outlived its purpose, which was to
increase the number of Big Eight teams that get into the NCAA tournament.
The Cyclones, who have a 19-11 record but were only 5-9 in the conference,
feel that a loss in the first round (against Missouri, see above) may well
eliminate them from consideration by the NCAA.  (There have been some reports
that the NCAA Selection Committee might frown on taking teams with a less than
.500 record in their conference.)  Danny Nee likes the tournament, for the
exposure it gives the conference, the experience in tournament conditions
it gives the players, and the money it brings in.

NU has finally finished their investigation of the Omar Soto eligibility
situation.  (Soto appeared in a scrimmage or two at a California JC before
enrolling in another JC and thus used up a year of eligibility under NCAA
guidelines, but not under Junior College guidelines.)  NU will probably ask
the Big Eight to waive the automatic forfeiture of two conference games in
which Soto appeared, and will offer to reduce the number of scholarships
by one next season.  Based on previous similar cases, the Big Eight will
probably go along with NU's requests.  
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> I bet OU and CU charge more for NU tickets as well.

    I'm sure they do, too.  Because that's their biggest home game of the
    season (if they happen to be playing NU at home that particular year).
    
> Just because Johny Mitchell makes a statement (and he IS the one who said it)
> you CU folks (I wanted to insert a different word there) think it gives you
> license to talk sh$t about the whole NU team and program. Give it a rest.

    Mitchell isn't the only who said it - Osborne said it and still says
    it.  I don't see where pointing out that NU is charging more for
    tickets is talking shit about the whole NU team and program.  I was
    pointing out that by charging more for the CU game that NU is saying
    it's now without a doubt their biggest home game whether Osborne or
    Mitchell or anyone else wants to admit it.  
    
    
    Joe

                    Conf.   All
    Kansas          11-3   23-4
    Oklahoma St.    8-6    24-6
    Missouri        8-6    20-7
    Oklahoma        8-6    20-7
    Nebraska        7-7    19-8
    Iowa St.        5-9    19-11
    Kansas St.      5-9    15-12
    Colorado        4-10   13-14
    
    
    AP All-Big Eight Team:
    
    Anthony Peeler, Missouri, Senior
    Byron Houston, Oklahoma State, Senior
    Rex Walters, Kansas, Junior
    Brent Price, Oklahoma, Senior
    Adonis Jordan, Kansas, Junior
    
    
    Joe

�    Kansas          11-3   23-4
�    Oklahoma St.    8-6    24-6
�    Missouri        8-6    20-7
�    Oklahoma        8-6    20-7
�    Nebraska        7-7    19-8

These guys will make serious noise in the NCAA Tournament.  Roy Williams is 
downright scary as a coach.  All the best of Dean Smith's system plus the 
willingness and intelligence to adapt it on-the-fly to playing conditions.  
Shudder ...

Bob Hunt

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Scott Davis" 11-MAR-1992 14:06:55.76
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	conf	overall	
KU	11-3	23-4
OSU	8-6	24-6
MU	8-6	20-7
OU	8-6	20-7
NU	7-7	19-8
ISU	5-9	19-11
KSU	5-9	15-12
CU	4-10	13-14

Times/dates are subject to change without my approval.

Mar13	Big Eight Tournament(rayc)
	12:10 OU-NU, 2:20 KU-CU, 6:10 OSU-KSU, 8:20 MU-ISU
Mar14	Big Eight Tournament(rayc)
	1:10(winners of 1st 2 games) & 3:20(winners of last 2 games)
Mar15	Big Eight Championship(rayc)
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Joe, anyting that Osborne says is so stinking conservative that I don't even
listen to it. I think he said that so his players would not get too high or
psyched out over a big game. I think he has a degree in human psychology.

Any you won't have to worry about Mitchell and his mouth (or his NFL quality
talent) anymore - He's placed himself NFL draft eligable and will not be
wearing Husker Red next year.

Marty Moose

Oh, forgot - word from Huskerland is that Osborne is pretty content with things
as they are in terms of the style of ball NU plays. That dosent mean he's
happy with getting creamed by Miami in the Orange Bowl. What he said was that
he thinks the NU program will be ok as it is - they just need to work harder.

             NOT !!!  IMHO

With CU and OU seeing the light and initiating the passing game - I think
that it won't matter how much talent NU has - they can't beat good passing
teams with the present NU system - PERIOD! And they won't be able to recurit
the super athlets untill they change their ways from boreing to passing.

I look for OU and CU to beat them if Osborne does not wake up. The only hope
for us NU Husker faithfull is that Devaney is going to retire as NU AD after
the '92 season. PLEASE Dr. Tom - take the AD job and hire a young, flexible
pass minded coach and bring the Huskers back to where they belong again-

  ON TOP !!!!

Nebraska Marty Moose

    With the Big 8 tournament starting this morning, the Jayhawks could be
    starting a string that would see them play 5 of their next 7 games at
    Kemper Arena in KC.  KU (if they reach the Big 8 title game) will play
    their next 3 games at Kemper, site of the Big 8 tourney.  And if they
    win the Big 8 tourney, KU would probably the the #1 seed in the
    Midwest, where they could be playing 2 regional games in Kemper if they
    survive the first 2 rounds of the NCAA's.
    
    Guess I'll give a fearless Big 8 tournament prediction:
    
    Today:
    KU over CU
    OU over NU
    OSU over KSU
    Mizzou over ISU
    
    Semi's:
    OU over KU
    OSU over Mizzou
    
    Final:
    OSU over OU
    
    
    Joe
       

    The Big Eight got their 6 teams in the tourney, with Iowa State
    securing that 6 bid with their opening-round upset of Missouri in the
    Big 8 tourney.  Not only did the Big 8 send more teams than any other
    conference, they're the smallest of the major conferences with only 8
    members.  
    
    Kansas State is in the NIT.
    
    ISU coach Johnny Orr sure is a character.  He had me rollin' on ESPN's
    selection show yesterday.
    
    
    Joe

    Big 8 ters,
    
    Been a while since I've noted.  (I remember slammin' ACC Chris in '90)
    
    Final 4 predictions:
    
    Kansas
    Oklahoma St.
    Mass U.
    Louisville
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Kansas Comet
    
    
    

    Well, it's almost like two years ago for the Big 8 teams in the NCAA
    tournament.  
    
    1990: - 3 teams ranked in top 5 for much of regular season
          - 4 or 5 teams go dancing
          - ZERO made the Sweet 16 (OU was a #1 seed, KU was a 2 or 3 seed)
    
    1992: - 3 teams ranked in top 10 for much of season and as many as 5
          ranked at one time.
          - 6 teams go dancing.
          - Only 1 team makes the Sweet 16 
    
    The only team that has acquitted itself nicely is Iowa State, with the
    jury still out on Oklahoma State.  Nebraska and Missouri only slightly
    underachieved, not necessarily because they lost (they both lost in
    games that were considered fairly even according to seedings) but how
    bad they lost.  Kansas and OU underachieved big-time.  Anything less
    than the Final 4 would've been a disappointment for KU, considering
    they were in the weak Midwest and would've played at Kemper in the
    Regionals.
    
    Kansas State won their first NIT game and plays at Notre Dame in the 2nd
    round tonight.
    
    
    Joe

    
    This year's performance in the NCAAs once again reinforced why I can't 
    get into Oklahoma basketball while Billy Tubbs is still around.  The 
    1988 Finals took the wind out of my sails and it hasn't (and won't) 
    return.  Oklahoma just plays dumb, like their coach...
    
    glenn
    

    Billy Tubbs is negotiating today with a unnamed NBA team.
    
    Steve Fisher of Michigan has unequivocally stated that if the
    Sooners job opens up he'll take it.
    
    MrT

              
    > Billy Tubbs is negotiating today with a unnamed NBA team.
    
    Is this a joke?  I can see why the team might want to remain unnamed
    (then again, someone hired Paul Westhead, didn't they?).
    
    > Steve Fisher of Michigan has unequivocally stated that if the
    > Sooners job opens up he'll take it.
    
    Fisher may not be able to coach, but at least he's not a horse's butt
    to boot like Tubbs.  A definite improvement, as far as I'm concerned.  
    Why would he want to leave Michigan for Oklahoma, though?  Job security?
    
    glenn
    

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Nolan" 30-MAR-1992 12:18:36.26
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Spring practice begins today for Tom Osborne's football squad.  Paramount is
the question 'Who will replace Keithen McCant at quarterback?'  Osborne has
also stated he intends to have a 'dominant defense' in 1992.

Five All-Big Eight offensive players from the '91 squad are gone:  McCant,
sophomore tight end Johnny Mitchell, who turned pro and is awaiting the NFL
draft, split end Jon Bostick, guard Erik Wiegert, and tackle Brian Boerboom.

Coincidentally, the process to replace Bob Devaney as Athletic Director
also begins today.  A nationwide search is to be launched, according to
UNL Chancellor Graham Spanier.  Inside candidates have not been ruled out
either.  Devaney retires on January 1, 1993, his replacement may not be
named for at least four months.
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re: -1

As you noters know - I'm a born and never say die Husker fan - but I have
this to say about .-1:

HOGWASH - NU will not have a "dominating" defense untill they recruit DB's
of a high caliber AND "get a passing life" of their own so those DB's can
practice againse a competent passing game day in and day out.

Osborne will start some Sot who can run the option game but is a medium
quality passer/field general - thus the Huskers will stay at their level
of mediocrity.

OU and CU are converting to the passing game. All I have to say is watch
out Huskers.

Nebraska Marty

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UNL Chancellor Graham Spanier made it clear on Monday that Tom Osborne
will not be able to serve as head football coach and athletic director,
although Osborne continues to deny he is interested in becoming AD.

Citing the over $30 million budget of the NU Athletic Department, Spanier
says NU needs a full-time AD, not a part-time AD, part-time coach.

But, Omaha World-Herald columnist Tom Shatel continues to push Osborne
for the job, although he admits Tom would have to do a better job of delegating
responsibility than he has done as football coach.

A 10-person search committee has been named to search for a replacement for
Bob Devaney.  Osborne isn't on the search committee, either.
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CU had their first scrimmage of spring ball on Saturday and the new passing
offense got off to a slow start.  Vance Joseph grabbed the early lead on the 
race for the starting QB position completing 6 of 16 for 152 yards and 2 TD's.
Kordell Stewart completed 5 of 10 for 50 yards and Duke Tobin completed
2 of 5 for 48 yards.  On the receiving end, Michael Westbrook caught an 
11-yard TD pass and Erik Mitchell had one of 80 yards.

The running game only managed 111 yards on 39 carries and the QB's were
running for their lives much of the afternoon, so the line continues
to be the big weak link on offense.


Joe

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Notes from Spring Practice:

The annual Red-White Spring game will be free this year, with contributions
requested to help Gina Simanek, the Lincoln artist who was beaten last
January, allegedly by NU I-back Scott Baldwin.  $15,000 is expected to
be raised as a result.  Baldwin is scheduled to stand trial in June on two
felony assault charges.  He has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity
to both charges.

Freshman Tony Veland is giving senior Mike Grant a run for the # 1 
quarterback slot.  Grant was held out of practice on Tuesday because of
an injury, as were DT Terry Connealy and MG David Noonan.  CB Kenny Wilhite
and WB Jamie Weyers, both recovering from knee surgery last fall, are
taking part in some contact drills.  IBs Derek Brown and Calvin Jones
and WB Abdul Muhammad were held out of practice this week for academic
reasons.

Depth Chart:

Split End:  Tyrone Hughes, Corey Dixon, Duane Wiles, Truman Bell, 
   Darin Duin, Merritt Nelson

Left Tackle:  Lance Lundberg, Dave Jensen, Joel Gesky, Doug Woddell,
   Silas Cleveland, Mark Brown

Left Guard:  Ken Mehlin, Chris Zyzda, Brenden Stai, Wayne Meylan,
   Bryan Pruitt

Center:  Jim Scott, Terris Chorney, Brad Mundt, Aaron Graham, Jon Pedersen

Right Guard:  Will Shields, Joel Wilks, Steve Ott, Jason Licht, Steve Volin

Right Tackle:  Rob Zatechka-Zach Wiegert, Brad Casky, Shyuan Jasper,
   Robert Smith

Tight End:  William Washington, Mike Vedral-Gerald Armstrong, Matt Show,
   Mark Gilman, Erich Hohl, Jacques Allen

Quarterback:  Tony Veland, Matt Jones, Brook Berringer, Todd Gragano,
   Joel Cornwell, John McMillen

Fullback:  Lance Lewis, Andre McDuffy, Cory Schlesinger, David Fiala,
   Rod Haarberg, Rick Blatny, Chris Norris, Chad Stanley

I-Back:  Derek Brown, Calvin Jones, Damon Schmadeke, Jeff Makovicka,
   Allen Pommier, Jason Fisher

Wingback:  Vincent Hawking, Abdul Muhammad, Tom Werner, Brett Poppelweil,
   David Seizys, Eric Scheppers, Darren Schmadeke

Kicker:  Byron Bennett, Tom Sieler, Kevin McMindes, Jeff Lang, Jeremy Jensen

Left Outside LB:  Travis Hill, Davie Leader, Greg Fletcher, Todd Heyne, 
   Clint Brown, Dean Schneider

Left Tackle:  John Parreila, Matt Hillman, Terry Connealy, Jason Pesterfield

Middle Guard:  David Noonan, Bill Humphrey, Bart Furrown, Jerry Irons,
   Ryan Barry

Right Tackle:  Jamie Liewer, Bruce Moore, Billy Wade, Luther Hardin

Right Outside LB:  David White-Trev Alberts, Danta Jones, Jerad Higman,
   Torry Garland, Ken Bello, Mike Dickmeyer

Strongside LB:  Mike Anderson, Daren Williams, Troy Branch, Phil Ellis,
   Jim Prevette, John Martin, Ryan Murtaugh

Weakside LB:  Ed Stewart, Doug Colman, Matt Penland, Leroi Jones,
   Adam Schultze, Aaron Penland

Left Cornerback:  Kenny Wilhite, John Reece, Brady Mercer, Anthony Cole,
   Ralph Lott

Right Cornerback:  Lorenzo Brinkley, Mike Heins, Marcus Anderson,
   Saluhu Issaka, Clester Johnson

Monsterback:  Steve Carmer, Austin Wertz, Zeke Cisco, John Simdorn,
   Travis Giesbrecht

Free Safety:  Tyrone Byrd, Troy Dumas, Charles Green, Sedric Collins,
   Jay Herman, Chad Young

Punter:  Mike Stigge, Byron Bennett, Jeff Lang, Chris Borland

Injured:  Darius Williams, Kevin Raemakers, T. J. Slansky, Robert Hughes,
   Lance Gray, Jeff Solich, Tom Steer, Mike Grant, Don O'Neill,
   Ernie Beler, Dennis Martin, Curt Brengelman, Chris Grass, Kyle Emsick,
   Matt Orduna
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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Andy Knipp Metro SE" 17-APR-1992 20:03:09.26
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Here is a shorted version of the Huskers Illustrated article
on the recruits signed by Nebraska.  But first, I will give the 
article on Tony Vreland,  possible startin QB, as a red-shirt
freshman:

Tony Vreland: 6-2, 185, QB, Omaha 

Vreland has 4.55 speed,  a 275 lb bench press, and a 26 on the
ACT.  He was considered the 20th best prospect (of all positions)
in the Midwest last year.  No passing/rushing totals were given
however,  Vreland was 2nd team All state at QB,  he also was the 
bestt DB & punter on the team.

This year Neb.  listed 26 players as scholarship recruits,  
since they are only allowed to have 25,  I assume that, since
some are on the bubble SAT-wise,  Coach Osborne was hedging his
bets.

FIrst there are 4 players who did not make the ACT/SAT last year 
and were Prop 42 victims.  If they make the grades this year, 
they will have 4 years to complete 3 years of eligability.  THey
are:

Christan Peter,  6'2", 312lb, DL,  4.8 forty, 450 lb bench from
Middleton NJ.  Peter signed last year,  made the SAT,  however,
due to a transfer in HS,  his core requirements didn't make it.  

Dwayne Harrism 6'3", 240lb, OLB frin Bessemer Alabama.  Harris
was a USA Today HS All American last year.  

Barron Miles, 5-10, 170,  Athelete (QB, WB, SE, CB), from Roselle NJ.

Charles Randolf,  6'2", 268, TE from New Orleans.  Signed with 
Florida State,  didn't make it.  His chances of making the ACT/SAT
are not good.  

The 1992 recruits are:

Larry Arnold,  6'4", 215, LB, 4.6 (forty), 310 (lb bench), from
Copley OH.  Arnold runs a 11 sec 100 meter,  also state qualifier
in swimming.  Very highly recruited LB.

Damon Benning,  5'11", 187, RB/WB, 4.5, 255, from Omaha.  Benning led 
Neb in rushing,  with 1548 yards.  Rated as one of the top WB 
recruits in the country.

Willis Brown, 5'9", 165, WB/CB/RB, 4.4, 280, from Edmond OK.  Brown
was not highly recruited,  however,  he has a 10.5 100 meter dash &
could grow into an excellent CB or WB.

Clinton Childs, 6'0", 195, RB, 4.5 300, from Omaha.  Childs was a top 20
RB in the country.  Finished #2 in the state with 1495 yards rushing.  Blue
Chip All American.

Chris Dishman, 6'4", 273, OL, 5.1, 345, from Cozad Neb.  2 time All
State,  Blue Chip All American.  

Tommie Frazier,  6'0", 195, QB, 4.5, 275, from Manatee FL.  USA Today
first team All American QB.  Top recruit for the Cornhuskers.  In 2
years starting,  he threw for 2600 yards, 30 TDs, and rushed for 1600
yards & 33 TDs.  

Jon Hesse, 6'4", 205, LB, 4.7, 265, from Lincoln.  Academic All State (2
times) and All State (1).  Could play a lot of positions,  after he
puts some weight on.

Mike Minter,  5'10", 175, RB/DB, 4.5, 260, from Lawton OK.  Tough hitter
that averaged 8.5 yards/carry as a RB.  WIll probably play FS, considered
the hardest hitter in the state at DB.

Ed Morrow,  6'4", 225, ILB, 4.65, 260, Florisant MO.  Morrow was a 
highly recruited player with 60 tackles despite having orthoscopic
knee surgery done mid-season.  

Kareem Moss, 6-5, 200, CB, 4.5, 315, Garden City CC, KS.  Moss was a
Junior College All Am,  great speed & 3 years eligible.  Runs a 10.5
100 meter dash.  

Jeff Ogard, 6'6", 275, OT, 5.0, 340 from St Paul Neb.  Very highly
recruited player, HS ran 70% of the offense his way.  

Ben Rutz,  6'0", 185, QB, 4.7, 255, Oklahoma City.  Top 20 rated 
QB,  threw for 4400 yards in 3 years starting.  Completed 54% 
of his passes in HS.  

Scott Saltsman, 6'2", 260, NG, 4.9, 355, Wichita Falls TX.  Top 5 rated
NG in the country.  Had 85 tackles, 11 sacks, caused 6 fumbles.  

TJ Scribner, 6-3, 215, LB, 4.7, 310, from Omaha.  Could also play
TE/FB, played 8 man football,  not highly recruited. 

Marvin Sims,  5"8, 185, RB, 4.5, 315 from Apple Vally, MN.  Parade
All American,  top 2 RB,  #2 in the state 100 meter dash (10.8), twice
All State.  

Jim Stiebel, 6'4", 240, OG, 4.8, 320 from Belleville IL.  USA Today
2nd team.  BLue CHip/Super Prep All AM.  HS,  Althoff Catholic,  
one of the top FB programs in IL.  

Eric Stokes, 5'10", 177, CB, 4.5, 300, from Lincoln.  Super Prep 
All American CB,  rushed for 1200 yards as a sr.  Top 5 recruit at
CB, in the country.

Ryan Terwilliger, 6'5", 215, LB/TE, 4.6, 270, from Grant Neb. National
Honor Society,  1st team All State, Def. Captain.  Could play either
postition well.  

Larry Townsend,  6'5", 270, DT, 4.8, 415, from San Jose.  Super 
Prep Far West Def. Player of the Year.  #1 DT rated by Emfinger.  
Twice All State in CA.  65 tackles,  11 sacks,  also has a 29 inch
vertical leap.  

Leonard Washington, 6'3", 270, DT, 4.9, 335, from Omaha.  Grades
are questionable,  Nebraska Player of the Year.  DL of the year 
twice.  Not highly recruited due to grades & 2 successful knee
surgeries.  

Riley Washington,  5-10, 160, WB/SE/CB, 4.4, 255, San Diego CA.
Has a 10.4 100 meter,  rated one of the top WB recruits.  Rushed
for 2300 yards in 2 years.  

Toby Wright,  6'0", 180, S, 4.5, 280, Phoenix JC.  All American JC,
graduated & is enrolled & playing in spring practice.  Has 3 years 
to play 2.  



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  The Buffs had another spring practice scrimmage on Sat. Even though they
  have converted to a 1 running back offense, they ran out of running backs.
  Lamont Warren has been held out of all contact drills because of off season 
  surgery. Scott Phillips went down with an injured knee and Kendal Bussey 
  went down with a shoulder injury. Bussey will need surgery and will miss 
  all of the 92 season. Converted cornerback, Derek Agnew, played running 
  back but he also went down with a fractured collarbone. That left James 
  Hill as the only healthy running back. He played on both the 1st string 
  offense and 3rd string offense.   
  
  Vance Joseph and Kordell Stewart alternately directed the 1st string offense.
  They accounted for 2 TD's and a field goal. Joseph(7 of 16 for 75 yds) ran 
  16 yards for 1 TD and Stewart(3 of 4 for 23) threw 16 yards to Christian 
  Fauria for the other TD. But the offense only had 1 1st down in their 
  initial 14 play series.

  On defense, Leonard Renfro and Ronnie Woolfork both excelled.

  CU graduate, Rico Smith, impressed many NFL scouts at a recent scouting
  combine by turning in the fastest 40 yard dash(4.31) of all wide receiver 
  prospects. Some of the draft analysts said that he was way under utilized 
  at CU and may end up being drafted in one of the early rounds.

		Keith  

  Buffs who got drafted include:
	Joel Steed, 3rd round - Pittsburgh
	Rico Smith, 7th round - Cleveland
	Jay Leuwenburg, 9th round, Green Bay ??
	Darian Hagan, 9th round, San Francisco
  I haven't heard of DB Greg Thomas getting drafted which is a surprise to me.

  In the Buffs last spring scrimage, Vance Joseph sprained his ankle after only
  throwing 2 or 3 passes. Kordell Stewart then showed why the coaches are so
  high on him. He was 13 for 19 for something like 230+ yards. Denver's
  Channel 2 news showed a couple of his long passes that connected. They were 
  real pretty. It looked like he used little effort in throwing the ball
  60+ yards and putting it right on the money. Stewart will start next year
  and break all of Hagan's single season passing records. You heard it here 
  first.

		Keith 

    
    Keith,
    
    	Jay Lowenbrau (tm) went to Nawlins.
    
    Claybone

       Lowenbrau!? That used to be good beer until they started making it
    in Joisey. (I cain make fun a Jersey now, Wardle and Schneid are gone.)
                                     Denny

    
    Keith,
    
    	I'm not sure now where Lowenbrau(tm) went.  Page 1 of the local
    	rag says he went to New Orleans.  Page 5 says he went to Kansas
    	City.  Great paper eh?
    
    Claybone

      He went to KC

       Glob says KC

This is a bit late, but hey, better late than never.  

Wrapup of CU spring ball:

The Buffs finished up spring ball without their #1 (for now) quarterback 
(Vance Joseph), and their #1 (Lamont Warren), #3 (Kendall Bussey), and #4
(Scott Phillips) tailbacks due to injuries.  The spring opened with only
4 wide receivers on scholarship, but help is on the way in the fall from
incoming freshmen.  Defensive will be definitely be the strenth of this team,
and it's a good thing because they may need to carry the burden while the new
offense is expected to struggle early on.

OFFENSIVE LINE: Still a year away, but stable.  Last season, 2 starters didn't
even play in the previous spring.  Many reps have improved pass protection.  
Center Bryan Stoltenberg is the line's next star.  OL is thin, so look for
incoming freshmen to contribute early.


QUARTERBACKS: 
Vance Joseph: Best at play-action passes and staying in the pocket.  He's also
the only proven performer, but his drop-back isn't very fast.

Kordell Stewart: A recket arm, but he strays from the pocket too much.  He also
runs the option very well, but that won't matter much now.

Duke Tobin: Coaches like how he finds weaknesses in coverage, but his 5 picks
in spring intrasquad game didn't show it.

Coaches say they'll give Joseph, who missed the last week of spring ball with
a sprained ankle, every chance to keep the job.  Will be a great race for the
starting position...to be continued in August.


TAILBACKS: One-back offense was literally that at the end of spring practice,
with James Hill being only one to avoid injury.  Warren could've played, but
no need to risk it.  Coaches are thrilled with how the new offense stretches
defenses, and isolating a healthy Warren on a linebacker may become CU's
biggest weapon.  Also, Chuck Snowden has just announced that he will return
to the team after suffering an Achilles injury last August.

RECEIVERS: Solid and very thin.  Michael Westbrook has most responsibility and
his blocking is improving.  Charles Johnson is superb at split end, and Erik
Mitchell and T.J. Cunningham are neck-and-neck at flanker.  Look for freshmen
Rae Carruth, Shay Davis or Steve Rosga to contribute early.  TE Christian
Fauria was named the top sophomore-to-be of the spring.

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN: Very underrated.  McCartney says Leonard Renfro "will be
one of the top defensive tackles in the country."  NG Jeff Brunner practically
shared the job last year with Joel Steed.  Marcellous Elder looks out of shpae
but isn't playing like it.

LINEBACKERS: The Sporting News has ranked this unit the tops in the nation.  
OLB's Chad Brown and Ron Woolfork could be the best outside tandem in the 
business.  Greg Biekert is All-Big 8 on the inside.  At the other spot, 
incumbent Ted Johnson leads 4 other strong candidates.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Ronnie Bradford and Deon Figures have become superb cover men
and free safety Dwayne Davis may be CU's best hitter.  However, they'd better
not get hurt.

KICKERS: Punter Mitch Berger is trying to supplant Pat Blottiaux as place-
kicker, but Blottiaux was hitting them in scrimmages, in not in drills.  In
the intrasquad and alumni games, Berger's punts have averaged 54.4 and 46.3
yards.


Joe

  Well, I guess it's not too early to talk about the upcoming season.

  I think Coach Mac changed the offense not only because of the success other 
  teams(Washington) have had with it but because he has the talent that fits 
  well into this type of offense. By talent, I mean Kordell Stewart(big,
  strong arm), Lamont Warren (great runner, but is also an excellent receiver
  with good hands and very fast 4.3 speed), Michael Westbrook (another 
  Mike Pritchard but only a sophmore), Christian Furia(an excellent receiver
  tight end but not a knock-em over blocker). I agree that isolating Warren 
  on a linebacker will be downright scarey for other teams to defense. I've
  said it before, don't be surprised to see Warren used more as a receiver 
  than a running back this year.

  The offensive line should be better (but not great) this year and they 
  have some excellent freshman prospects. On the defensive line, Jeff Brunner
  turned out to be a big surprise filling in for injured all big 8 NT Joel 
  Steed(3rd round NFL draft pick). In fact, I didn't think they lost anything 
  at all when Brunner filled in for Steed. Leonard Renfro is a stud. If he 
  stays healthy, I expect him to jump ship and be a top NFL draft pick at 
  the end of his junior year. In fact, I think he's the best lineman CU has
  ever had.
   
  Last year, the big defensive surprise came at linebacker. Ronnie Woolfork,
  who is a converted QB, is extremely quick at getting to the QB. Ted Johnson 
  did an excellent job for a true freshman. Greg Biekert, who lead the team
  in tackles the last two years, doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
  Also, they got two of the most highly rated high school linebackers joining
  the team this summer. There's no doubt, this is the strongest part of the 
  team.

  Now, the bad news. It's true they are a little thin at wide receiver but
  I'm most concerned with the defensive backfield. If anybody goes down with
  an injury, especially Deon Figures, they're in deep trouble. Also, the 
  offensive line still has to prove itself. I'm also worried about the 
  kicking game, both punting and field goals. Too many games are decided by
  those positions and Berger and Blottiaux haven't done much to gain my 
  confidence. 
   
  Hey Marty, are you out there ? What's going on in Husker country ?  

	Keith

From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "George Rapp" 31-MAY-1992 15:34:23.66
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Greeting, fellow Husker fanatics.

What follows is an article by Ivan Maisel that appeared in today's (31
May 1992) _Dallas Morning News_.  It concerns former Husker QB Turner
Gill and his aspirations to be a major-college head football coach.  It
was included in a set of articles that noted the lack of blacks as
Division I head football coaches (there are none currently).

---
Ex-Nebraska star hopes to move up in coaching ranks

SMU's Gill says someone must lead the way, and it may be him

By Ivan Maisel - Staff Writer of The Dallas Morning News

Turner Gill has heard these voices before.  He heard them when he left
Fort Worth's Arlington Heights High School in 1980 to play quarterback
for the University of Nebraska.

"Nebraska had never really had a black quarterback," Mr. Gill said.
"People said: 'You're not going to be able to play quarterback.
They're going to move you.'  I really figures one day they will have a
black quarterback there; why not me?"

After a career during which he led the Cornhuskers on a 22-game winning
streak, threw for 34 touchdowns and rushed for 18 more, why not Mr.
Gill, indeed?  He finished a failed two-point conversion away from
winning college football's national championship for the 1983 season.
He threw the pass that was batted away by Kenny Calhoun of the
University of Miami to preserve a 31-30 victory in the 1984 Orange Bowl
Classic. [[  8^(  -gwr ]]

Mr. Gill, 29, hears the voices again.  There are no black head coaches
in NCAA Division I-A.  He is a first-year assistant coaching receivers
at Southern Methodist University with dreams of moving up.

"Like Martin Luther King in civil rights," Mr. Gill said, "someone in
coaching is going to have to have a big, big influence in the
profession.  The worst thing about it is, he's going to have to win."

It is the sort of job John Thompson has performed at Georgetown
University.  Mr. Thompson became the first black college basketball
head coach to have an impact on the game.  Now even the University of
Mississippi has a black basketball coach.

"It will work when we get the attention of the public, and it believes
in him," Mr. Gill said.  "It may be some other guy.  It may be me.  Who
knows? ... It would be great if it's me.  I have my goals.  I've had
the opportunity to see a lot in life."

Long road to Dallas

Mr. Gill played two years for the Montreal Concorde of the Canadian
Football League.  He played shortstop for three seasons in the Cleveland
Indians' farm system.  His baseball career stopped in 1988 at Class
AA.  Football beckoned again.

Mr. Gill spent the past three seasons on three campuses.  He served as
a volunteer coach at the University of North Texas.  [[ FYI: UNT is in
Denton, about 1 - 1 1/2 hours northwest of Dallas.  -gwr ]] He has been
a graduate assistant at Nebraska and at SMU.

"That's three years I didn't make any money," Mr. Gill said, "and I've
got a wife (Gayle) and daughter (Jordan).  I was in a position to make
sacrifices.  I had made some money (playing pro football)."

The resume sparkles, but it's the reason Mr. Gill in no way resembles
the young black coach struggling to succeed.  With no guarantees on the
other end, it's difficult to stop making money for two years.

Slim chances

"You talk to black coaches," Mr. Gill said, "and they say the chances
are good to be a GA (graduate assistant), but it's really, really tough
to get in there as a full-time assistant.  If you get that, the chances
are really slim of getting a head-coaching job or a coordinator."

The odds didn't faze Mr. Gill.  They may have fazed others.

Willie Fuller, 26, spent the 1989 season as a graduate assistant at the
University of Missouri before he accepted a job with a financial
company in Portland, Ore.

"There is such a need for young black coaches in Division I-A," said
Mr. Fuller, who is married and a father of two.  "The tough thing is
getting people to start.  If you have a family, it's tough to start."

Nebraska receivers coach Ron Brown had the opportunity to become the
first black coach in the Ivy League at Brown University, his alma
mater, in 1989.  Before he turned down the job, Mr. Brown contacted Mr.
Fuller about coming with him.

Mr. Gill is the exception, Mr. Brown said.  Mr. Fuller is the rule.  It
doesn't bode well for the future of black coaches.

"Most people aren't as good as Turner Gill," Mr. Brown said.  "The
average player who's black has a much tougher row to hoe."
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You asked for it - here are my pre-season thoughts in a nutshell.

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--
I know it's early yet but I see things stacking up in the Big-8 in this
light:

	Coach McCartney is working hard on developing the passing game. I
	 don't just mean more passing - I mean THE PASSING GAME - a complete
	 offensive rework.

	Ditto for Coach "Whats his name" at Oklahoma.

	Coach Osborne at Nebraska was quoted as saying "...we will be ok, we
	 just need to work harder" in response to questions regarding conversion
	 to the passing game. Dr. Tom is STILL stuck in the '70's.

IF OU and CU can convert to the passing game with a good degree of success
then GOODBY HUSKERS in the Big-8 - we are talking 3rd place folks.

In the 70's and early 80's Nebraska did it with supperior athletes and 
smashmouth football - NU still has supperior athletes ...NOT !!!!!!!!!

Get a clue Coach Tom. I love ya as a good leader of your players and your good
ethics etc - but EVERYONE in the good old U.S of A knows that your schemes
CAN'T beat the good passing schools and NU can't defend the pass!!!

You people in this newsgroup know me as "Nebraska Marty" and I am a die hard
Husker. (Native of Omaha now living in Colorado) I'm tellin ya - mark my
words - if OU and CU do indeed convert to "the passing game" then it's all
over for Nebraska - figure a loss at Washington, a loss at OU and a loss
at NU vs CU. Who knows what the Kansas teams have in store also.

Nebraska Marty (Or is it Husker Henderson this year?)

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    The Nebraska-Washington game on Sept. 19th will be televised by ESPN as
    the 3rd game of their tripleheader that day.
    
    Joe

  A few weeks ago, I was watching a WLAF game. The team which was losing
  was backed up close to their goal line and had to punt. They sent in their 
  kicker, Tom Rouen(ex-Buff). He went on to blast(and I mean blast) an
  80-85 yard punt. The other team soon turned over the ball and Rouen's 
  team made a score and won the game. In 1989, Rouen was an All American kicker.
  In fact, I think his kicks may have been the winning difference in the much
  talked about CU-Nebraska game in 1989. In 1990 he was expected to be an NFL
  draft choice but he was very inconsistent and made some terrible punts in 
  critical games. It's good to see him return to his previous form. The LA
  Rams must have been impressed, they just signed him.

  I was in Boulder last week and picked up a copy of their local rag. One
  of their sports columnists said that Mel Kiper's 1992 Draft Digest also
  has a draft preview for 1993 and 1994. According to Kiper, Chad Brown
  is the 1993 2nd best NFL prospect for outside linebacker. He described him
  as being very similar to Alonzo Spellman and a player who rarely makes
  a mistake. He also has Michael Westbrook projected as the 34th overall
  draft pick in 1994 which would mean he'd have to skip his senior year at CU.
  Well, these multiple year draft previews are probably just a lot of smoke.
  I just hope it's not a kiss of death.

  I'm ready for college football. Bring on the marching bands, cheerleaders,
  crazy college students and no instant replay. Does anybody know when the 
  players report back to campus to start practicing for the upcoming season ?
    
	Keith

>  I'm ready for college football. Bring on the marching bands, cheerleaders,
>  crazy college students and no instant replay. Does anybody know when the 
>  players report back to campus to start practicing for the upcoming season ?
    
    I *hate* this time of year.  Another month or so and it won't be so
    bad: NFL training camps will be starting up and you'll be able to see
    the light at the end of the tunnel.  At least after this summer we'll
    have the Rockies.  Doesn't even come close to the intensity of college
    football, but at least it's something.
    
    College teams usually start practicing about early to mid-August.
    
    
    Joe

    I love this time of year. Hockey - gone, basketball - sayanora,
    football - even training camp is just a glint in some crazy fanatics
    eyes. All there is is baseball, and none of that aluminum bat fake kind
    they play in college.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Wait a sec Joe,
    Ain't no leaf-turning in Colorado. All firs and pines no?? 8^)
    
    And when're gittin' yo' butt out to South Bend to watch a real
    college extravaganza?
    
    MikeL
    

>    Wait a sec Joe,
>    Ain't no leaf-turning in Colorado. All firs and pines no?? 8^)
    
    Yea, and we still ride our horses to work out here in the Old West. :^)
    
>    And when're gittin' yo' butt out to South Bend to watch a real
>    college extravaganza?
    
    As soon as you offer to buy my plane ticket back there. :^)  It's gotta
    be a quality opponent though - no Navies or Northwesterns.  Another
    thing: I'd have to sit in the visiting fans' section, cuz I'd probably
    get killed by some lifelong ND fan making all my anti-ND comments.
    
    Joe
     

>>    Yea, and we still ride our horses to work out here in the Old West. :^)

	THAT would be cool.........

Claybone

      Whats in South Bend thats worth watching or talking about?  Is the
    bend going north now?
    
    	Tim

    -1,
    Ah the soon to be College Football Hall of Fame??
    
    MikeL
    

    Alright Joe,
    Get yo' ace ready for the '94 Michigan-ND game. I'll have Tim Brown
    deliver you tickets. This will be the last game for a coupla years
    when the Irish clobber Ohio St in their stead. Now I'll show
    you the campus, the buildup, etc. etc. One of your tickets will be
    in the Nichigan section, the other in the ND section. First half
    you get to sit in the Wolverine section. You'll feel all a ga-ga
    listenin' to them whine and cry about the score ( goin' against
    them natcherly) as they gain impressive but useless yardage.
    Now second half you can sit in the Irish alumni section, even
    bedecked in Maize and Blue. You'll hear nothing but praise for
    the Wolverines and the inevitable consolation from the victorious
    and classy Irish fans as Michigan deflates jest like a beachball
    in the hands of the Ninj at Fenway.  
    You'll have fun, trust me.
    
    
    8^),
    MikeL
    
    

    Gotta admit MikeL, that was pretty good.
    
    Joe

       COLORADO
       --------
Sept  5  COLORADO STATE
Sept 12  at Baylor
Sept 19  at Minnesota
Sept 26  IOWA
Oct 8    at Missouri (Thursday night)
Oct 17   OKLAHOMA
Oct 24   KANSAS STATE
Oct 31   at Nebraska
Nov 7    OKLAHOMA STATE
Nov 14   at Kansas
Nov 21   IOWA STATE


       IOWA STATE
       ----------
Sept  5  OHIO
Sept 12  at Iowa
Sept 19  TULANE
Sept 26  NORTHERN IOWA
Oct 3    at Oklahoma
Oct 17   KANSAS
Oct 24   at Oklahoma State
Oct 31   MISSOURI
Nov 7    at Kansas State
Nov 14   NEBRASKA
Nov 21   at Colorado


       KANSAS
       ------
Sept  5  at Oregon State
Sept 12  BALL STATE
Sept 19  at Tulsa
Sept 24  CALIFORNIA (Thursday night)
Oct 10   KANSAS STATE
Oct 17   at Iowa State
Oct 24   OKLAHOMA
Oct 31   OKLAHOMA STATE
Nov 7    at Nebraska
Nov 14   COLORADO
Nov 21   at Missouri


       KANSAS STATE
       ------------
Sept 19  MONTANA
Sept 26  TEMPLE
Oct 3    NEW MEXICO STATE
Oct 10   at Kansas
Oct 17   at Utah State
Oct 24   at Colorado
Oct 31   at Oklahoma
Nov 7    IOWA STATE
Nov 14   at Missouri
Nov 21   OKLAHOMA STATE
Dec 6    Nebraska (at Tokyo)


       MISSOURI
       --------
Sept 12  at Illinois
Sept 19  TEXAS A&M
Sept 26  at Indiana
Oct 3    MARSHALL
Oct 8    COLORADO (Thursday night)
Oct 17   at Oklahoma State
Oct 24   NEBRASKA
Oct 31   at Iowa State
Nov 7    at Oklahoma
Nov 14   KANSAS STATE
Nov 21   KANSAS


       NEBRASKA
       --------
Sept  5  UTAH
Sept 12  MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE
Sept 19  at Washington
Sept 26  ARIZONA STATE
Oct 10   OKLAHOMA STATE
Oct 24   at Missouri
Oct 31   COLORADO
Nov 7    KANSAS
Nov 14   at Iowa State
Nov 27   at Oklahoma (Friday after Thanksgiving)
Dec 6    Kansas State (at Tokyo)



       OKLAHOMA
       --------
Sept 3   at Texas Tech (Thursday night)
Sept 12  ARKANSAS STATE
Sept 19  USC
Oct 3    IOWA STATE
Oct 10   Texas (at Dallas)
Oct 17   at Colorado
Oct 24   at Kansas
Oct 31   KANSAS STATE
Nov 7    MISSOURI
Nov 14   at Oklahoma State
Nov 27   NEBRASKA (Friday after Thanksgiving)


       OKLAHOMA STATE
       --------------
Sept  5  INDIANA STATE
Sept 19  at Michigan
Sept 26  TULSA
Oct 3    at TCU
Oct 10   at Nebraska
Oct 17   MISSOURI
Oct 24   IOWA STATE
Oct 31   at Kansas
Nov 7    at Colorado
Nov 14   OKLAHOMA
Nov 21   at Kansas State

The views in this note are not necessarily my own - Marty Henderson


From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 16-JUL-1992 12:29:13.14
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	Husker News, Notes, etc.

Well, it's almost time to get geared up for The Season here in Nebraska.

I'm going to be out of town for two weeks in August, and will probably miss
some of the beginning-of-practice hype (awww, darn!), but thought I'd let
you know I'm still around.

Two QB's are transferring from NU, but neither was expected to contend for
starting QB this year.  Nebraska had something like 10 QB's for Spring 
practice, plus one of the top HS QB prospects, Tommy(?) Frazier from Florida.

Some of the football magazines are picking Nebraska as high as #6, based
on the strength of our running game, I guess.

I-back Scott Baldwin will not be competing this fall, following his being
found 'guilty by reason of temporary insanity' for attacking a Lincoln woman 
last January.  He continues therapy and at last report was living with Husker 
Assistant Head Coach Frank Solich.  (The court required him to either live 
with one of the coaches or with his pastor.)

This will be Bob Devaney's last season as AD, of course, but for the moment
the rumors of any impending retirement plans for Tom Osborne are dormant.
I think most people here have assumed Frank Solich was heir-apparent as
Head FB coach, but with a new AD from outside (Oregon), that may not be
such a sure thing anymore.

The following article from rec.sport.football.college might get you riled up,
but it is probably a reasonable pre-season prediction.  BTW, no HOME team
is indicated in the K-State vs NU game, 'cause it is in Tokyo on Dec 6th.
(K State will probably wear 'home' uniforms, because the game would have
otherwise been in Manhattan.)

Mike Nolan
[email protected]

>Here is my computer's prediction for the Big 8 Confernece (happy Scott? :-)
>Again, home team in CAPS:
>
>1. Oklahoma (11-0,7-0):
>
>oklahoma       over TEXAS TECH     by   3                   
>OKLAHOMA       over arkansas state by  25                   
>OKLAHOMA       over southern cal   by  10                   
>OKLAHOMA       over iowa state     by  16                   
>oklahoma       over texas          by   7                   
>oklahoma       over COLORADO       by   2                   
>oklahoma       over KANSAS         by   4                   
>OKLAHOMA       over kansas state   by   9                   
>OKLAHOMA       over missouri       by  19                   
>oklahoma       over OKLAHOMA STATE by  10                   
>OKLAHOMA       over nebraska       by   4                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>2. Nebraska (9-2,6-1):
>
>NEBRASKA       over utah           by  15                   
>NEBRASKA       over m tennessee st
>WASHINGTON     over nebraska       by  10                   
>NEBRASKA       over arizona state  by   9                   
>NEBRASKA       over oklahoma state by  15                   
>nebraska       over MISSOURI       by  12                   
>NEBRASKA       over colorado       by   8                   
>NEBRASKA       over kansas         by   9                   
>nebraska       over IOWA STATE     by   9                   
>OKLAHOMA       over nebraska       by   4                   
>nebraska       over kansas state   by   4                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>3. Kansas (7-4,5-2):
>
>kansas         over OREGON STATE   by   6                   
>KANSAS         over ball state     by  11                   
>TULSA          over kansas         by   1                   
>california     over KANSAS         by   3                   
>KANSAS         over kansas state   by   2                   
>kansas         over IOWA STATE     by   3                   
>oklahoma       over KANSAS         by   4                   
>KANSAS         over oklahoma state by   9                   
>NEBRASKA       over kansas         by   9                   
>KANSAS         over colorado       by   2                   
>kansas         over MISSOURI       by   7                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>4. Colorado (8-3,4-3):
>
>COLORADO       over colorado state by  14                   
>colorado       over BAYLOR         by   1                   
>colorado       over MINNESOTA      by   8                   
>COLORADO       over iowa           by   4                   
>colorado       over MISSOURI       by   8                   
>oklahoma       over COLORADO       by   2                   
>COLORADO       over kansas state   by   3                   
>NEBRASKA       over colorado       by   8                   
>COLORADO       over oklahoma state by  10                   
>KANSAS         over colorado       by   2                   
>COLORADO       over iowa state     by  11                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>5. Kansas State (7-4,3-4):
>
>KANSAS STATE   over montana
>KANSAS STATE   over temple         by  15                   
>KANSAS STATE   over new mexico st  by  18                   
>KANSAS         over kansas state   by   2                   
>kansas state   over UTAH STATE     by   4                   
>COLORADO       over kansas state   by   3                   
>OKLAHOMA       over kansas state   by   9                   
>KANSAS STATE   over iowa state     by  10                   
>kansas state   over MISSOURI       by   8                   
>KANSAS STATE   over oklahoma state by  10                   
>nebraska       over kansas state   by   4                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>6. Oklahoma State (3-8,2-5):
>
>OKLAHOMA STATE over indiana state
>MICHIGAN       over oklahoma state by  17                   
>tulsa          over OKLAHOMA STATE by   1                   
>TX CHRISTIAN   over oklahoma state by   3                   
>NEBRASKA       over oklahoma state by  15                   
>OKLAHOMA STATE over missouri       by   6                   
>OKLAHOMA STATE over iowa state     by   3                   
>KANSAS         over oklahoma state by   9                   
>COLORADO       over oklahoma state by  10                   
>oklahoma       over OKLAHOMA STATE by  10                   
>KANSAS STATE   over oklahoma state by  10                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>7. Iowa State (4-7,1-6):
>
>IOWA STATE     over ohio           by   9                   
>IOWA           over iowa state     by   9                   
>IOWA STATE     over tulane         by   8                   
>IOWA STATE     over no illinois    by  10                   
>OKLAHOMA       over iowa state     by  16                   
>kansas         over IOWA STATE     by   3                   
>OKLAHOMA STATE over iowa state     by   3                   
>IOWA STATE     over missouri       by   6                   
>KANSAS STATE   over iowa state     by  10                   
>nebraska       over IOWA STATE     by   9                   
>COLORADO       over iowa state     by  11                   
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>
>8. Missouri (1-10,0-7):
>
>ILLINOIS       over missouri       by  11                   
>texas a&m      over MISSOURI       by  12                   
>INDIANA        over missouri       by  12                   
>MISSOURI       over marshall
>colorado       over MISSOURI       by   8                   
>OKLAHOMA STATE over missouri       by   6                   
>nebraska       over MISSOURI       by  12                   
>IOWA STATE     over missouri       by   6                   
>OKLAHOMA       over missouri       by  19                   
>kansas state   over MISSOURI       by   8                   
>kansas         over MISSOURI       by   7                   
>
>Respectfully Submitted,
>                       ____                  
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For the first time in 20 years, the University of Nebraska will sell pairs
of renewable season football tickets.  About 2,000 tickets in the upper rows
of the South Stadium will be available as a result of the decreased interest
in student tickets.  

In 1982, about 17,000 student tickets were sold.  Last year, around 8,000
student tickets were sold.  So far this year only 3.500 student tickets have
been sold.  Although additional tickets will be sold at the beginning of
the semester, a UNL representative said that they will be happy if they
reach the 8,000 mark this year.

The decline in student sales is not just a Nebraska phenomenon.  Oklahoma
student sales are also half of what they used to be, and at the University
of Iowa sales had declined from 13,000 to 5,500 before rebounding to 8,500
last year after Iowa's appearance in the 1991 Rose Bowl.

The Nebraska tickets are $128 apiece or $256 for a pair, plus a $3 handling
charge.  If the University receives requests for more than 2000 tickets,
priority will be given to members of booster clubs.  For more information,
call the UNL ticket office at 402-423-3111.
---
Turner Gill will return to Nebraska as a full-time assistant coach.
The former NU quarterback had been a graduate assistant at Nebraska
before he was hired by SMU.

Gill replaces assistant coach Jack Pierce, who has served as Nebraska's
head road recruiter since 1985.  Restrictions by the NCAA on the amount
of time coaches can spend on the road have led to Pierce's transfer to
the athletic development office, where he will serve as a fund raiser.
---
Mike Nolan

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    Here's the results of the Big 8 preseason media poll (first-place votes
    in parenthesis and total points):
     
    1. Colorado (34)     639
    2. Nebraska (31)     638
    3. Oklahoma (26)     619
    4. Kansas            443
    5. Kansas State      338
    6. Missouri          242
    7. Iowa State        214
    8. Oklahoma State    147
    
    This vote is so close I don't think it's fair/right to say flat-out
    that CU's the favorite.  I've seen 2 preseason mags, and one of the
    picked the finish to be NU, CU, OU, in that order, and the other picked
    OU, CU, NU, in that order, so it would make most sense to say that the
    3 teams are very close and ony one of them could win the conference.  I
    think another thing all these close and disagreeing polls indicate is alot
    of confusion and questions about how good each of the 3 are and what to 
    expect out of them.  The Buffs have alot of talent but it is young and
    they are switching to a new offense that could suffer some growing
    pains.  Nebraska lost alot of people, but with the depth they always
    seem to produce and the way they groom their players into starting
    roles it usually is just a case of them reloading, not rebuilding. 
    And OU, well they're supposed to be going all-out with that passing
    game this year and if the Gator Bowl is any indication, it will be
    potent.  But they're 1-8 under Gibbs against their 3 big rivals and the
    defense isn't returning many starters from last year's tough unit.
    
    Should be interesting, to say the least.
    
    
    Joe 
    

Turner Gill is now Nebraska's full-time Quarterbacks coach. Oh thank you God.
Pleeeaaaase let the spirit of Turner descend upon the current Husker QB's.  ;^)

Going into camp this year - Coach Stuck in the 70's has announced that Grant
is the leading QB and will have to be beat out of the position. Gag, hack,
cough, barf....   

Grant stinks. He couldent even beat out Micky Joseph who sucked eggs himself.
I'm told by the boys back in Omaha, NE field svc (the ones that are left) that
NU has some really HOT Frosh QB's. We are talkin very good drop-back QB
prospects.

Will Osbonre use one of these young QB's?   Only after Grant screws up so bad
that Coach Stuck in the 70's hand will be forced. Lets hope this happens
BEFORE the game AT Washington.

Go HUSKERS - Kick some Big-8 Butts this year !!! (God knows we can't beat a
                                                      REAL top-20 team)   ;^)