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| 2001.1 | How can one not comment... :^) | CSC32::J_OPPELT | I like it this way. | Mon Jul 20 1992 20:31 | 6 |
| > One last thing. I can't believe the derrogatory remarks people are
> making about Ken. I for one think he has lot's to be proud of in his
> accomplishments. And I think he deserves applaudes.
Uh, that's "derogatory" and "applause", I believe...
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| 2001.2 | | FSOA::OGRADY | George, 297-5322, US Retail/Wholesale SW | Mon Jul 20 1992 20:55 | 2 |
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Joe, were you the guy I saw throwing gas on that fire? :-))))))
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| 2001.3 | Ken is a GREAT man | SMAUG::GARROD | Floating on a wooden DECk chair | Mon Jul 20 1992 21:13 | 32 |
| Re .0
For what it's worth Ken Olsen got two standing ovations today at
beginning and end of his talk in Parker Street. I believe he deserved
both of them. I have a huge amount of respect for his achievements.
Sure he's made some mistakes but so have all of us.
Ken gave an extremely frank and informative talk today. I just wish
he'd started doing this a few years ago. Part of his talk concerned the
frustrations he's had trying to get people to change to turn this
company around in the last few years.
The sad part is that I believe strongly that if his ideas had been
implemented this company would have turned round long ago. He was
railing on about the same sort of things that many people have
complained about in this notesfile (stovepiping, functional monopolies,
no clear strategy etc). It appears that he was unable to shift the
senior management. Maybe if he'd have communicated as openly to us
'regular' people before and hence bypassing the ossification he could
have been successful in recovering the company. But I guess that was
not to be.
He made an interesting comment. He said he'd been talking to Bob Palmer
(this moring I think) and said how patient he'd been with people. He
said that Bob said something like (my memory is not quite clear on
this) that Bob had some of the same goals that Ken had but "didn't
intend to be so patient".
He also made a number of other interesting comments... I'll leave
others to enter them.
Dave
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| 2001.4 | don't blame Notes! | ANARKY::BREWER | John Brewer Component Engr. @ABO | Tue Jul 21 1992 00:16 | 11 |
|
I would surmise that a great deal of the sarcasm and caustic
remarks stem from the fact that the policy and decision makers
that led this place down the path to where we are now will not bear the
same consequences as the tens of thousands that will be let go.
A notesfile is a relatively harmless vent for the pain and
frustration we all feel. Morale problems are certainly more influenced
by business conditions than by this file.
/john
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| 2001.5 | in Review | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Rum, Romanism, Rebellion | Tue Jul 21 1992 08:48 | 8 |
| A lot of this "sarcasm" is, to use the DEC jargon, "payback".
The critics of Digital management who are represented here in abundance
were right and Digital management and their defenders here were wrong.
The claim that one could allow the company to lose 85% of market value
and not have made serious mistakes in the last four years seems a bit
arrogant and sarcastic in itself.
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| 2001.6 | Get it off your chest | UNYEM::HALLC | | Tue Jul 21 1992 10:37 | 8 |
| I think that if management would level with us "common" people
regarding what is really going to happen and when, you would see alot
less of the "sarcasm" that is here in the notes file.
Where are we to release if we can't do it here? I know that the people
here in my office write in here when they are really fed up. It
doesn't change anything but it always help to get it off your chest.
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| 2001.7 | On employee-management relations | WHO301::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Tue Jul 21 1992 10:48 | 13 |
| While discussing the DEC management/worker problems with my wife, I realized
something really interesting:
In my seven years with DEC I have never had a personal conversation, lunch,
or a cup of coffee, even, with any of my level 2 managers (I've had 5 of them).
Prior to DEC, I worked at the corporate HQ of a Fortune 500 company. Social
contact with folks 2 steps up the management chain was quite common, even
though the "level 2"s were corporate VPs.
I don't know what lesson to draw from this, except that maybe DEC isn't quite
as democratic as we like to think it is.
\dave
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| 2001.8 | | BLUMON::QUODLING | OLIVER is the Solution! | Tue Jul 21 1992 10:50 | 6 |
| Of course, suppression of "Sarcasm" is the first step towards the loss
of free speech, which is the first step towards the destruction of
creativity in individuals...
q
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| 2001.9 | Sour times | HELIX::KALLIS | Pumpkins ... Nature's greatest gift. | Tue Jul 21 1992 11:05 | 32 |
| Re Ken:
Not enough good can be said about him. He is not the problem.
Re "sarcasm," etc.:
These are rough times, with a Damoclesian Sword hanging over _every_
employee. For some, the thread has broken; for others, it's still
whole, but fraying....
The morale of the rank-and-file employee is at a nadir. We all are
under incredible pressures; for many of us, this includes a whole
secondary set of pressures on the home front, which can be at least as
intense as what we're facing at work.
Every layoff is a personal tragedy, and it's even more so in a company
where there has been a decades-long "no layoff" policy, which
psychologically sets people's expectations that their work isn't a job,
but a profession. This is augmented by a mechanism where such items as
seniority don't count, save "in case of ties."
The upshot is that Digital employees are particularly and especially
unprepared for the dislocation and pain of a layoff. And, humans being
human, the pressure has to "vent." In some cases, it does so via
cynicism and snide remarks (sarcasm and bitterness); in other cases, by
self-destructive things such as markedly increased consumption of
alcohol. In yet others, by picking fights. In any case, when things
get Really Bad, regrettably, negative attitudes surface.
It's an unfortunate consequence of the process.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 2001.10 | Notesfile is a privilege | TRCOA::KOTHARI | | Tue Jul 21 1992 11:27 | 12 |
| The notesfile is a privilege which all Digital employees enjoy. As
such, it should be exercised and nurtured with care, caution and the
respect it deserves.
Let's not get sucked into using it as the vehicle to criticize KO whose
accomplishments are monumental, and whose message we all failed to
grasp.
Anybody out there who can articulate the vision of new DEC in less than
100 words? The notesfile awaits your valued input.
Dhanu
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| 2001.11 | Hemingway | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Tue Jul 21 1992 11:39 | 8 |
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re: venting
"If he wrote it he could get rid of it. He had gotten rid of
many things by writing them."
Ernest Hemingway
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| 2001.12 | | SMAUG::CARROLL | | Tue Jul 21 1992 12:13 | 11 |
|
Re .3
You say K.O. expressed some frustration at not being able to get people
below him to change. I would have to ask, if he is the president and
CEO of this company, it must seem rather impotent for a CEO to not be
able to get his people to work HIS way. I feel his resignation is in
the best interest of the company, as I have said many times in this
notesfile over the past four years.
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| 2001.13 | 2 steps forward, not 2 steps back! | BTOVT::REDDING_DAN | A pocket full of Kryptonite | Tue Jul 21 1992 15:06 | 37 |
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I also believe K.O. overstayed his welcome. His greatness shall
or never will be deminished in my eyes. The man is one in a million
and in the truest of forms, a hero! As I see it, those top level
VP's who disagreeded or inhibited future business decisions / future
plans were shown the door. Right or wrong, his hand and eyes could
only reach so far down into the organization. Similar to loosing
a piece of jewlry in the water, your hand only reaches so far towards
retrieving before you employ more drastic measures. Which brings
me to the topic of Mr. Palmer. I see him taking the bull by the horns
and shaking the ever lov'n (word of choice) out of it. I just hope
Palmer has the insight to "WIPE-OUT" ineffective layers of middle
management throughout the entire company, stop the hemorrhaging
of technical people and talent and institute a maximum of 4 to 5
management layers, top to bottom!
But I ramble...As far as morale and the notes files, attribute the
personal venting to years of pent-up frustration with layer upon
layer of inactive and indecisive middle management. They build
lilly pad empires and protect their own, that is until someone turns
the heat up a tad. Hopefully Bob Palmer will weed the garden instead
of adding more fertilizer...
If you take each insult, slur, joke, whatever to a personal level,
it's perhaps a sign of stress, you take yourself to seriously, or
least favorable closing in on the self destruct mode. Remember,
each and everyone of us has a viewpoint or opinion or flavor
towards a discussion/topic. And you and I won't always totally
understand what is going on in an individuals head at the time
of said statement. If necessary, ask for clairification. Don't
take it so personal...We have the right to express ourselves in
the notesfiles, in a professional manner. Now let's move forward
or you will for ever be caught up in the past and present.
just my $ .02 worth....djr
P.S. Thanks Joe!
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| 2001.14 | When is criticism to much | CANYON::NEVEU | WCAG Sales Support Consulant | Tue Jul 21 1992 16:09 | 63 |
| The request that criticism be tempered and channeled
is often met with flames from the critics. They claim
they are being silenced and their creativity reigned in.
but are they justified in their claims?
When someone ask for a breather, for an uplifting rather
than continuing spiral downwards in the converation are
they truly reigning in creativity or is the mob trying
to silence its critics!
Digital needs to pull together, not pull apart. What
purpose does it accomplish to pull down someone who is
leaving, what better purpose would it serve to aid his
replacement to see what must be done to move forward.
Offer suggestions for how we grow business and how we
improve the processes which constrain our ability to
satisfy customer requirements. Don't tell me why you
can't do something! Tell me what you need in order to
get your job done. Don't blame your inaction on some-
one above you, tell us what decisions need to be made
and why your option is the best approach.
If you haven't had a social encounter with a manager
2 levels above you, it may not be that managers fault.
If you think having these types of encounters would get
more business done, then why aren't you trying to make
it happen. I am not a mind reader and neither are the
people we are faulting for the mess we are in. It has
become to easy to blame our problems on the process and
the people who create the process.
Althought it is easy to assume that Ken could have been
more forceful and fired the people who would not do it
his way. Would you really want to work for that kind
of company!!!! Is this the message we want to send to
Bob Palmer (fire anyone who won't do it your way)! I
hope we value ourselves and our contributions more than
that.
Tell me what Digital needs done (not how to do it)!
Listen to my concerns and the value my experience in
getting things done. Measure me on results and help
me change the processes which add no value but sap my
energy and productivity!
Work with me. I can only be accountable to plans that
I make and agree with. Giving me unreasonable dead-
lines and impossible workloads will not lead me to
work better or more productively. They will lead me to
rebel and resent the process for setting metrics. I
am willing to be measured on my efforts and for the
things that I control. I am not willing to be mea-
sured using arbitary ideas about what I can or should
accomplish.
I think Ken understood this and possibly was too close
to some of the people to make them accountable. I hope
that we do not lose some of the compassion and under-
standing that Ken showed us over the years, even as we
get more clearly focused on what need to be done.
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| 2001.15 | | SHIPS::WYNN_R | | Wed Jul 22 1992 09:11 | 21 |
| Re -1 and Base note
Congratualtions.
At last someone is trying to create a notes topic free
of one line sarcasm and "Oh woe is the company."
Will others now follow this start and make this conference useful
again ?
When I first started reading Notes conferences, it was to find out
useful information that wasn't available easily through the normal
channels. At first it wasn't too much of a bore reading others'
bikkering eogs, but when you spend your lunch hour going through a
conference reading petty arguments over spelling and punctuation, you
just give up and leave the conference.
As my lunch time is finishing, I'm going to set this conference to SET
SEEN and forget the remaining hundreds of entries.
I hope tomorrow's reading is more interesting.
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| 2001.16 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed Jul 22 1992 10:41 | 3 |
| re .15:
A bikkering eog? I must have missed that episode of "Star Trek."
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| 2001.17 | More lunchtime wasted ? | CHEFS::HEELAN | Arbol�, arbol�... seco y verde | Wed Jul 22 1992 11:08 | 9 |
|
Could somebody please explain to me the informational value reply .15
added to the sum of knowledge of this conference ?
Perhaps we should discipline ourselves _not_ to comment positively
or negatively without adding fresh information of some kind.
John
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| 2001.18 | Reality | SAURUS::AICHER | | Wed Jul 22 1992 12:06 | 25 |
| re .0
Sarcasm? Indeed. Well, I was laid off yesterday.
I hope you are feeling quite safe in your position.
However, if you are wondering what criteria might save your job,
I have been rated a "1" performer for two years now.
Didn't help me a bit.
As for skills, I was contacted not long ago by a technical
service firm to go to a place that needs *5* people with
my skills. Where you might ask? Digital Equipment.
Of course I cannot come back, even on contract for six
months anyway, even though I wouldn't be employed by DEC.
Yes. Enough is Enough. I would love to sit here and worry
about my job for another six months or so, but two years
of this has been quite enough.
I'll just sell it to somebody else.
Like IBM....Starting Aug 10th.
Mark
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| 2001.20 | re .18 | PATS::DWESSELS | | Wed Jul 22 1992 15:49 | 16 |
| Mark,
I'm sorry to see you go. Your situation epitomizes what's
wrong with the process we've been going through for 2+ years now.
DEC is losing a valuable, *needed* contributor due to an inability
to manage its own workforce.
SERP-ers are back as consultants, why should TFSO-ers be barred from
contributing their expertise as consultants if they're so inclined?
Why is a 1 performer not assisted in locating the other 5 areas of the
company in which his skills are needed? I'm sure you've asked these
and many other questions...
I wish you the best,
Diane
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| 2001.21 | | VANGA::KERRELL | Dave Kerrell @REO 830-2279 | Thu Jul 23 1992 05:12 | 11 |
| re.15:
Robert, there are a lot of people out there very upset by what's happening in
this company, because they *care*. I still read this conference because there
is still good information to be found and a lot of positive contributions, they
are just take a little longer to find nowadays.
Tell us what kind of information you seek and maybe we can point you to a
conference where the pain is but a faint and distant groan.
/Dave.
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| 2001.22 | Customer impact | SWAM1::TRENT_JO | | Thu Jul 23 1992 13:51 | 7 |
| A point missed in all of this is the fact that those of us who work in
the "field" with our customers carry our morale problems with us. We
are just human. The customers pick up on this and start to question
their continued dependence on a company in such disarray. The
customers allso read the trade and financial papers. If you think all
of this effects just dec employees, think again. The longer the
turmoil continues the fewer customers to sell to. Think about it!!
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| 2001.23 | | TENAYA::RAH | no hang time | Sat Jul 25 1992 02:18 | 11 |
|
Remember that the articles are just opinions, or worse,
deliberately calculated to undermine customer confidence.
We must not allow private fears to create this negative
impression on vendors, however many trade rags they say
they've read.
I look forward to making them eat their words in the next
couple of years.
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| 2001.24 | F.E.A.R. is real | CTOAVX::HEALTHCARE | You are what you culture! | Wed Jul 29 1992 19:24 | 16 |
| F E A R
a v p e
l i p a
s d e l
e e e
n a
c r
e i
n
g
Where will DECs business come from? Who will buy our services and
products?
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| 2001.25 | NO MORE WHINING! | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | Bowhunters never hold back! | Tue Aug 04 1992 18:55 | 34 |
| I haven't been in this file for a few days, and since it is
after hours, I thought I would catch up on what's going on.
Well, after reading about 50 replies in different notes, I just
got sick to my stomach. What the hell is wrong with everyone!
Nothing but whining, complaining, finger pointing, bitching etc.
People need to realize a few things. DEC is kind enough to give
a check with the TFSO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO! People should quit
complaining about their problems and FIX them! Wow, what a concept.
Just think if everyone was doing their job this company would not
be where it is.
I feel very positive about DEC. I am not a "DEChead". I work here.
I get paid here. I earn my pay. If DEC chooses to TFSO me, so be
it. If they don't, so be it. This company is what the employees
make it to be.
So if you don't like the way things are, either get off your butt
and fix them, or get out!
Now, isn't it a beautiful day? I think so. How about some positive
uplifting news?
Digital stock is a good buy right now
We have a new captain at the helm
We still have customers
We still have jobs
We have our health
There is alot of hope for the future, and I truly believe DEC will be
there.
Have a wonderful life!
Bob
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| 2001.26 | We need Bumper Stickers | COMET::BARRIANO | choke me in the shallow water... | Tue Aug 04 1992 19:21 | 18 |
| RE <<< Note 2036.0 by ODIXIE::RHARRIS "Bowhunters never hold back!" >>>
-< NO MORE WHINING! >-
> Nothing but whining, complaining, finger pointing, bitching etc.
Of course there's always the occasional, self serving note, whining,complaining
finger pointing, bitching etc. about notes that point out real problem's, in an
attempt fix them.
Maybe we could have some bumper stickers made:
Digital Love it or Leave it
if you don't have one on your car, than you obviously aren't the kind of
person we want here.
Regards
Barry
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| 2001.27 | | RUSURE::MELVIN | Ten Zero, Eleven Zero Zero by Zero 2 | Tue Aug 04 1992 19:56 | 31 |
| re: .0
> a check with the TFSO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO! People should quit
> complaining about their problems and FIX them!
So, how does one go about 'fixing' the problem of getting layed off? Sure,
find another job... Easier said than done, wouldn't you agree?
> Just think if everyone was doing their job this company would not
> be where it is.
What makes you think they are not? People who HAVE been doing there jobs
(and well) have been TFSOed.
> it. If they don't, so be it. This company is what the employees
> make it to be.
In so far as management are employees, yes. Otherwise, not as easy as you make
it sound.
> Digital stock is a good buy right now
Of course, if you are trying to SELL the stock to get money to make it through
tough times, then it is not such good news... Wouldn't you agree?
> We have our health
Yes, well with all the stress getting dumped on people recently, I would not
make this particular claim. Perhaps you do not find it stressful to have
friends/coworkers let go, but some people find it so. Perhaps you like having
the Sword Of Damacles hanging over you head in terms of getting layed off.
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| 2001.28 | As Orwell would say... | FORTSC::CHABAN | Pray for Peter Pumpkinhead! | Tue Aug 04 1992 20:02 | 9 |
|
Re: .0
I hear choco rations will be doubled! doubleplusgood eh?
-Winston Smith
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| 2001.29 | whose life is it anyway? | GUIDUK::ELLENBECKER | ...a world so hard and dirty | Tue Aug 04 1992 20:52 | 4 |
| A Gary Larson cartoon just came to mind. There's a lone sheep standing
in a large flock milling about, shouting "We don't have to be just sheep!"
Have you received your self-determination booster shot lately?
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| 2001.30 | No more whining about whining | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Will I make it to my 18th Anniversary? | Tue Aug 04 1992 21:23 | 24 |
| re: .0
Obviously you didn't do enough reading because if you read 2001.*
"Enough is enough" you would have read your sentiments expressed there.
But if our moderators can tolerate 20 layoff notes, then we can
tolerate 2 "whining about whining" notes or is that "Enough is enough"?
The critics here were right. The defenders of Digital's plans and
processes were wrong and it's time to acknowledge that and get back on
the track to profitability.
Sentimentalism in the form of "Ken Olsen was criticized before and was
ultimately proved right" is now a moot point. Palmer must succeed
where Olsen failed.
The criticism continues because while Ken Olsen has gotten the message,
the entrenched management layers still have not.
The idea that "if I just do my job the best I can, then things will be
fine" is one that I believe is often just stated without explanation.
Digital's current costs and competitiveness are not compatible with
long-term survival. That's not a "whine", that's a fact.
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| 2001.31 | Make the best happen | VISE::LEVESQUE | Never ever enough | Tue Aug 04 1992 21:36 | 7 |
|
A couple of days ago there was an article in the paper about
a former DEC employee. I think his name was Jim Hayes. He has
MS (Mutiple Sclerosis). He's in real rough shape. Makes alot
of these notes seem mute.
BAL happy to be anywhere
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| 2001.32 | :-) | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Wed Aug 05 1992 09:17 | 4 |
| About the only thing I'm whining about is too many notes in this
conference that discuss the same subjects over and over again.
John
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| 2001.33 | | SQM::MACDONALD | | Wed Aug 05 1992 10:13 | 7 |
|
This conference is starting to resemble SOAPBOX.
fwiw,
Steve
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| 2001.34 | different strokes, and all that rot ... | CUPTAY::BAILEY | Season of the Winch | Wed Aug 05 1992 10:42 | 41 |
| RE .25
Actually, this Notes conference is a good case study of the way
different humans react to stressful situations ... in this case,
watching their jobs go away and their benefits decrease while at the
same time having to cope with higher and higher cost of living.
Most folks react with anger and frustration ... blaming the "powers
that be" for a bad situation they feel they have no control over.
Others, such as yourself, choose to take the optimistic approach. And
that's good, because we need that optimism to maintain a sense of
balance in our perspective of things. Still others, such as myself,
choose to use humor ... if you can't fight it and you can't fix it,
laugh at it.
This is all very good, IMO. We all need an outlet to express our
concern and frustration, to voice our fear or anger, or to reassure
each other. No one is hurt by the "whining", and no matter how you
look at it, you're better off by being able to put a voice to your
feelings than you'd be if you kept it all bottled up inside.
>> This company is what the employees
>> make it to be.
>> So if you don't like the way things are, either get off your butt
>> and fix them, or get out!
You're right, of course. We've always had the power to fix what's
wrong with this company ... we just have to believe that we do.
Now everyone close your eyes, tap your shoes together three times, and
repeat after me ...
There's no place like DEC
There's no place like DEC
There's no place like DEC
^!^
`-'
... Bob
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| 2001.35 | it wooorks !!! | STAR::ABBASI | i^(-i) = SQRT(exp(PI)) | Wed Aug 05 1992 11:50 | 13 |
| > Now everyone close your eyes, tap your shoes together three times, and
> repeat after me ...
> There's no place like DEC
> There's no place like DEC
> There's no place like DEC
you'r right !
I just did exactly that, and feel so much better afterwards.
thanks! I needed that.
/nasser
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| 2001.36 | Plonk alert! | OAXCEL::DOYLE | It's a long distance to Camino Real | Wed Aug 05 1992 12:18 | 8 |
| RE: .35
Nasser,
Are you plonking again?
Popeye (of the Plonker Police)
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| 2001.37 | my glass is completely full | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | Bowhunters never hold back! | Wed Aug 05 1992 13:27 | 48 |
| RE.27
So how does one fix the problem of getting laid off?
answer: maybe not be so picky on getting another job. If the company
has to lay off, that is what they should do. If someone is doing an
excellent job at what they do, and that job is no longer needed, I am
sorry, but that job should go away. If you can find something internal
thats great, if you can't, best of luck outside the company.
in reference to everyone doing their job; I am not saying that EVERYONE
is not doing their job, I am saying that the company is not performing
the way it should. That includes ALL divisions of the company. You
know it, I know it. There are individuals who exceed job expectations,
yet the company is not performing to its fullest.
In reference to the employees make the company, a statement was given
if you are management yes, and employee not so easy. I am not a
manager, and I take that as manager bashing. If you have a problem
with a manager, escalate until you get results. I don't blame
management for the state of the company. It is a company problem, and
you and I and everyone else is part of the company.
Digital stock being a good buy; not if you are trying to sell is the
comment. Ever heard of buy low and sell high?
In reference to the "Sword of Damacles hanging over your head", why
worry about being laid off? You can't do anything about it anyway.
Just line up your ducks in a row, be prepared, and do your job. If it
hits us, it hits us. If it doesn't, thats great.
In summary, sure, easier said than done. I would rather look to the
sky and be positive, than look down a drain and be pessimistic. Of
course being realistic, but is the glass half empty, or half full.
Now back to the scheduled program.
IT IS A WONDERFUL DAY AT DIGITAL EQUIPMENT. I am glad to be alive and
be working today.
btw, this is not a "self serving note". Look at the company any way
you want to. Just don't bring other people down with negativity. It
is easier to breed negativity than be positive. Why not try being
optimistic for a change. Who knows, it might even feel good.
signing off the soapbox, and getting back to work.
bob
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| 2001.38 | | RUSURE::MELVIN | Ten Zero, Eleven Zero Zero by Zero 2 | Wed Aug 05 1992 14:55 | 56 |
|
> In reference to the employees make the company, a statement was given
> if you are management yes, and employee not so easy. I am not a
> manager, and I take that as manager bashing.
Take it as you will. Management has the authority to do things; they also have
the responsibility that goes with it. Non management employees can do some
things, but there are just somethings (important) that requires management.
Try signing a lucrative contract for Digital sometime if you think you can.
>If you have a problem
> with a manager, escalate until you get results.
Actually, I do not have problems. However, read through the conference and see
people who have escalated things through the ODP. See how they fared with
that.
> Digital stock being a good buy; not if you are trying to sell is the
> comment. Ever heard of buy low and sell high?
Yes. Ever hear of HAVING to seel to make ends meet?
> In reference to the "Sword of Damacles hanging over your head", why
> worry about being laid off?
Why worry about anything, then?
> In summary, sure, easier said than done. I would rather look to the
> sky and be positive, than look down a drain and be pessimistic. Of
> course being realistic, but is the glass half empty, or half full.
Except that attitude of 'gee, nothing is wrong if we keep a positive attitude'
has helped to create the situtation. I agree PESSIMISM does not help; however,
REALISM does. And all you optimism will not get quality products out the
door.
> IT IS A WONDERFUL DAY AT DIGITAL EQUIPMENT. I am glad to be alive and
> be working today.
Good for you, Mr Rogers :-)
> you want to. Just don't bring other people down with negativity. It
> is easier to breed negativity than be positive.
It is much easier to hide you head in the sand that face a charging rhino :-).
>Why not try being
> optimistic for a change. Who knows, it might even feel good.
Why not try being more realistic for a change? You might find problems can be
solved and even avoided with a realistic view of what is going on. I have
generally found at Digital that people with over optimism can (and do) create
problems that other people have to fix. I am not saying you are the one, BTW.
It is very easy to optimistic if someone gets to clean up the mess made.
Yes, back to work... One of things we agree on :-).
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| 2001.39 | | OXNARD::KOLLING | Karen/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca. | Wed Aug 05 1992 15:18 | 9 |
| Re: .31 A couple of days ago there was an article in the paper about
a former DEC employee. I think his name was Jim Hayes. He has
MS (Mutiple Sclerosis). He's in real rough shape. Makes alot
of these notes seem mute.
Does he have problems that are fixable, like trouble with insurance or
money? There is a national MS society that helps out that someone
might point him at.
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| 2001.40 | He has good friends | VISE::LEVESQUE | Never ever enough | Wed Aug 05 1992 21:27 | 10 |
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I read the article again today before sending the paper to
one of Jims former co-workers that read my note. Jim is writing
a book and the article was promoting the book. The book of course
is about his struggle with MS.
The article is in the Monday August 3, 1992 T&G.
BAL
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| 2001.41 | He's been on tv as well | MUDHWK::LAWLER | Employee says 15000 analysts must go! | Thu Aug 06 1992 08:03 | 8 |
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He was also on TV a few months ago in some program on
health-care costs.
-al
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| 2001.42 | The man on tv was ... | MCIS5::KAMPF | Don't think we're in Kansas any more | Fri Aug 07 1992 00:30 | 14 |
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Re: Note 2001.41
> He was also on TV a few months ago in some program on
> health-care costs.
That was Mike Kaiser on the t.v. news segment about health care costs. He
has MS as well, but he still sits next to me at work in UPO, and is not yet
writing a book, although I am sure that he could. He and his wife together
couldwrite volumes!
- Diane
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