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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1475.0. " tail Declage?" by RANGER::PITONIAK () Tue Dec 01 1992 08:17

    Greetings,
    
     I am considering designing a hand launch glider fuselage that 
    incorporates a V tail, and was wondering if there is the 
    equivelent of declage that a conventional tail would have,
    or if the V tail is just in line with the fuselage.
    
     If there is no declage, what provides the negative angle of
    attack to offset the wings lift? Do the control surfaces of the
    V tail provide that negative lift?
    
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    mike
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1475.1UNYEM::BLUMJWed Dec 02 1992 13:598
    The instructions that came with my Waco 550 V-tail from Weston
    Aerodesign simply state- "Rake the tail about 5-10 degrees".
    It certainly did not sound like it was critical.
    
    
                                                        Regards,
    
                                                        Jim 
1475.2It is critical, Frank isn'tMR4DEC::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneWed Dec 02 1992 22:078
        Re:                       <<< Note 1475.1 by UNYEM::BLUMJ >>>

                That's Frank Weston!  If you have seen how poorly some of
        his leading edges  look  you  know what I'm talking about.  Frank
        has a really relaxed  attitude  about a lot of things (other than
        customers!).
        
        Anker
1475.3Rake??RANGER::PITONIAKThu Dec 03 1992 07:259
    Thanks for the response,
    
     Could you define rake? I am assuming it means taking the centerline of
    the tail out of alighnment with the fuselage, is this true.
    (That would be a negatine amgle of attack; correct?)
    
    thanks,
    
    mike
1475.4Rake 'Reik' - noun, angle ...MR4DEC::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneThu Dec 03 1992 08:546
        Re:                     <<< Note 1475.3 by RANGER::PITONIAK >>>

                Rake is  the angle from the vertical of the fin (how much
        it leans backwards).
        
        Anker
1475.5UNYEM::BLUMJThu Dec 03 1992 13:356
    I believe the V-tail plane should be at 90 degrees to the fuselage
    (0 degrees incidence).
    
                                                    Regards,
    
                                                    Jim 
1475.6thansRANGER::PITONIAKFri Dec 04 1992 08:013
    Thanks,
    
    mike
1475.7Setting V-tail incidence?UNYEM::BLUMJMon Jan 31 1994 10:0919
    In a recent article British F3B flyer Nic Wright expounds on the
    merits of the V-tail specifically relating to his EV-1 design.
    Whether this is just a fad that has been reignited by the success
    of the Kowalski Bros.(German) Spark design, or "the new wave" of
    performance gliders remains to be seen.
    
    Computer radios have simplified the mechanics of V-tail mixing, however
    I have questions about mounting the tail in relation to the wing.
    In the past I have used a Robart incidence meter to set my T-tails.
    This is relatively simple, with wing seating tape acting to shim the
    stab into the proper position.
    
    Can the incidence meter be used to set a V-tail?  If not does anyone
    have any suggestions on setting the incidence between wing and V-tail?
    
    
                                                               Thanks,
    
                                                               Jim
1475.8 Vee Tails..SHIPS::HORNBY_TSoarers are rarely SilentTue Feb 01 1994 08:2917
    Jim,
    	Dave Woods and Greg Lewis who developed the Parabola and have done
    very well in the F3F league here in the UK, have been experimenting
    with 'V' tail configurations in the 60" pylon class. They use the
    moulded wing tip sections only and join them together for this smaller
    version. The V tail is fixed type (not all moving) which I believe is 
    Assembled and lined up in two stages. The first connects the two pieces
    of the fixed vee together and then these, as an assembly (already
    aligned) are offered onto the moulded fuselage. 

    I'm note sure of the detail but will check with my friend who has
    assembled 2 prototypes for Greg. However I believe the trick is in the
    two stages, I think he has a long, firm piece of piano wire which sits
    in the bottom of the Vee to aline both direction and incidence when
    assemling the 2nd stage.  
    
    Trev
1475.9V-tail painsUNYEM::BLUMJTue Feb 01 1994 09:0913
    re: -1
    
    Thanks Trevor, any information on this is appreciated.  That is the
    nicest thing about the full flying stab, it is so easy to set the
    correct incidence.
    
    I am mostly interested in the V-tail because they are much less
    subject to damage on those less than perfect, fast landings.
    
    
                                                 Regards,
    
                                                 Jim
1475.10GAUSS::REITHJim 3D::Reith MLO1-2/c37 223-2021Tue Feb 01 1994 09:132
One of the V-tails I have is a full flying type. It has a small 
horizontal centersection that encloses the pivot.