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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1425.0. "Loss of signal?" by VSSCAD::KEPNUT::TIMMONS () Tue May 19 1992 15:31

    This was the second day of flying my Predator, thanks to Dave Walter
    and Kay Fisher. Managed about 5 min stick time on one flight due to
    some lift. 
    	As I am new, I have a question. For the second time in a week, it
    appeared the radio lost the signal for a few seconds until Dave ran
    toward it and managed to recover it. The first time it was the elevator
    which stuck in the full up position. We thought it might have been the
    antenna wire which hangs about a 1.5' out the back of the fuse got
    stuck in the pushrod clevis/fuse area. Today it appeared to be the
    rudder, but we had the antenna doubled back over the fuse.
    	The radio is a new Futaba 4nbf (FM) with a 127D rec'vr, driving 2
    s133 Servos. The channel is 26. Does anyone know of any problems in the
    Acton area on this channel that could cause this problem?
    	Kay suggested I disassemble the receiver and look for bad solder
    connections or anything else obvious. I plan to do that including all
    the wiring and look in the Xmitter itself. Any comments will be
    appreciated.
    
    Earle
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1425.1HANNAH::REITHJim HANNAH:: Reith DSG1/2E6 235-8039Tue May 19 1992 16:178
I've flown a JR Max6 with an FM Rx on ch26 at the field without incident. I DON'T
like the idea of doubling the antenna back. You're effectively cutting the length
off. I'd check for continuity the length of the antenna. You might have "stretched" 
the wire a bit in the past. How's the radio rangecheck with the antenna down?
I'd also check for binding of the linkage at extreme deflections.

If it continues to happen, I'd send the radio in. Should still be under warrenty
(until you open it yourself...)
1425.2Disconcerting problemQUIVER::WALTERTue May 19 1992 17:0511
    I was flying it both times when it appeared to stop responding. In each
    instance, I got full control back within about 2 seconds. We
    immediately ranged checked it with the antenna down and got excellent
    results. What's also weird is that both times the plane was relatively
    close to us, and there had been no problem when it was further away.
    It acts like an intermittant problem, such as a broken antenna wire.
    
    Earle is going to check the antenna tonight.
    
    Dave
    
1425.3Fix or CrashLEDS::WATTTue May 19 1992 17:438
    If you're just getting full elevator travel and not rudder, it could be
    an intermittant servo pot or a broken servo wire.  I would try taping
    on the receiver and servos and see if you can get it to act up on the
    ground.  I have seen a bad servo plug connection do this also.  Do you
    know if the rudder was responding when the elevator was not?
    
    Charlie
    
1425.4Battery connection??RCFLYR::CAVANAGHJim Cavanagh SHR1-3/R20 Dtn:237-2252Wed May 20 1992 10:2216


  What about a bad battery connection?  You could give it up elevator and
then have the power cut from the rcvr...this would lock the elevator in that
position until power comes back (connection improves).  The next time it
could be the rudder. If it happens during level flight or when you not
stirring the sticks you might not notice it.


  Just a thought.......




                    Jim
1425.5Maybe if I ignore it, it'll go away?VSSCAD::WATTS6::TIMMONSWed May 20 1992 12:409
    re .4 and .all  I do plan to check ALL wiring from battery, thru switch
    to rec'vr and out to ant. Set is under warrantee so I don't want to
    tamper so it's obvious. I did check transmitter last night and found
    its' antenna was fairly loose on mount. It appeared to be still
    attached to the stud somewhat that is soldered to the main PC board.
    Don't think RF would be affected much. PC board soldering looked good
    under 3X lupe. (Boy, I hate intermittents. I repair Stereos and VCR's
    but those intermittents only cause loss of sound or picture, not 3
    months of labor!  :^(
1425.6I think paging hitsKAY::FISHERThe higher, the fewerWed May 20 1992 16:0314
My guess is that it is a paging system hit.
I know Jim said he flys on 26 but that is a JR ABC&W
receiver and perhaps they are superior at rejecting adjacent
channel interference.  The biggest reason I'm willing
to think it is a beeper is the duration - seems random
and only lasts a few seconds.

Beep Beep Beep - Doctor Howard to emergency!

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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1425.7Possible - Can You Check?LEDS::WATTThu May 21 1992 13:476
    Pager hits shouldn't affect narrow band receivers unless they are very
    strong and happen to be on the adjacent frequency.  Kay, don't you have
    a scanner for checking such things?
    
    Charlie
    
1425.8Like to look at the spectrumKAY::FISHERThe higher, the fewerFri May 22 1992 13:0332
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>    Pager hits shouldn't affect narrow band receivers unless they are very
>    strong and happen to be on the adjacent frequency.  Kay, don't you have
>    a scanner for checking such things?
>    
>    Charlie

I know - but there is an antenna farm just across the street from Acton - North Side of Route 2 
slightly West.

I used to but I traded it a few months ago for a large console size SWL rig that doesn't
pick up frequencies above 30 Mhz.

I think Earl is going to take the radio back to the local hobby shop he got it from
and have them replace it with an entire new rig on a new frequency.  That should
eliminate the problem whatever it was.

But I wouldn't mind spending a few afternoons at Acton watching a scanner.  
My preference would be one of the new portable LCD spectrum analyzers like
Ken Baker had at the Down East Soaring Club glider contests.  Maybe it is
time to call our district representative.

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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1425.9Calling Dr. Howard,Dr. Fine,Dr. HowardVSSCAD::WATTS6::TIMMONSMon Jun 01 1992 11:4718
    Last Friday, the following Pagers were observed at the Acton field
    during a noontime flying session by Bob Wolf, a long time
    Deccie/ham/videophile/audiophile/Cherokee owner/pilot (the full
    sizecarries4realpeople kind/former rc w/rubber escapement pilot and
    best damn power supply engineer.
    	Thanks to Bob for bringing along his scanner.
    
    Freq.	Channel
    72.34mhz	27.5
    72.66mhz	43.5
    72.68mhz	44.5
    72.72mhz	46.5
    72.84mhz	52.5
    72.92mhz	56.5
    72.06mhz	13.5
    72.56mhz	38.5
    
    No relative field strength was measured.
1425.10Maybe this explain why I keep getting glitches at the Acton fieldOLCROW::PHILLIPSDECtp Engineering TAY1-2 DTN 227-4314Thu Oct 08 1992 13:3429
re .9
>>    	Thanks to Bob for bringing along his scanner.
>>    
>>    Freq.	Channel
>>    72.34mhz	27.5
>>    72.66mhz	43.5
>>    72.68mhz	44.5
>>    72.72mhz	46.5
>>    72.84mhz	52.5
>>    72.92mhz	56.5
>>    72.06mhz	13.5
>>    72.56mhz	38.5
>>    
>>    No relative field strength was measured.

The past few times I've flown my Spirit at the Acton field, I've experienced
"hits" on my RCD RX(ch 27.) Most of them have been very minor(lasting less than 
a second), but still concern me. Several times yesterday as I flew the plane by
me, I could see it sort of porposing up and down. As the plane went by, I could
see the flaps droping about 1/4 down and then going back up(I wasn't touching 
the flap stick!!!) Other times I'd be making a nice flat turn, and all of a 
sudden she'd drop a wing tip and head straight down(it wasn't a tip stall.)

I never had this problem with the RX last year or earlier in the spring. I also
didn't have a problem with the RX this past Sunday at Al Ryder's contest. Could
it be that the pager on 72.34(ch 27.5) is using a tad more power than it should?
Can the AMA or FCC do anything about this if it is true?

-Lamar
1425.11HANNAH::REITHJim HANNAH:: Reith DSG1/2E6 235-8039Thu Oct 08 1992 13:392
My understanding is that we're the secondary band users. I hope the FCC 
doesn't discover that you were muddying up the pager signal 8^)
1425.12RCFLYR::CAVANAGHJim Cavanagh SHR1-3/R20 237-2252Thu Oct 08 1992 14:4910
  Lamar,

  It sounds like your rcvr is not rejecting the adjacent signals.  
Send it in for a check up.




                   Jim
1425.13But I didn't have a problem at the contest....OLCROW::PHILLIPSDECtp Engineering TAY1-2 DTN 227-4314Thu Oct 08 1992 15:2710
   Jim,

   I never had a problem(no glitches at all) at the contest on Sunday. There
   were as many as 8 planes in the air at one time. I know I flew one flight at
   the same time with guys on ch 26 and 29. No problems at all. I've only had 
   problems with this receiver at Acton. I'll try another RCD RX and my JR RX
   (both on 27) and see what happens. Thanks for the tip anyway!

   -Lamar