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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
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1385.0. "Sport Flyers Association (SFA)" by POBOX::KAPLOW (Free the DCU 88,000 11/12/91!) Wed Nov 20 1991 13:23

        At the RCTHA show, they stuck our rocket club booth right next to
        a new organization, the Sport Flyers Association. It is my
        understanding that they are an insurance company, run by RC
        modellers. They approached AMA about underwriting their insurance,
        at a lower cost, and helping the AMA get out of the insurance
        business. The AMA bureaucracy turned a deaf ear. After a second
        rebuff a year later, they decided to offer their "product" direct
        to modellers. 
        
        This should be a more economical alternative to something like 97%
        of the current AMA membership, who do not fly in contests. Many of
        us (myself included) are members only for the insurance coverage.
        Now there is an alternate source for this coverage.
        
        SFA is working with several orginizations, including the National
        Association of Rocketry of which I am a long-time member, to offer
        most of the modelling community good coverage at lower rates. The
        only exception at present is the control line fliers, who
        statistically have a very poor safety record.
        
        As a disclaimer, let me say that I have absolutely no connection
        with this company. I am an old friend of Doug Pratt, who recently
        quit the AMA in disgust with their internal politics, and now
        works for SFA. He is also the sysop for modelnet on CompuServe, as
        well as a noted author of many modelling books.
        
        The first reply to this note is the material Doug posted to
        CompuServe a couple weeks ago.
        
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1385.1Info about the SFAPOBOX::KAPLOWFree the DCU 88,000 11/12/91!Wed Nov 20 1991 13:25208
October 30, 1991

Sport Flyers Association
General Information

This file contains the partial text of an ad that will be in the January issues 
of RC Modeler and Model Airplane News Magazines.


Your Models Should Be Sky High, Not Your Insurance.

Join the Sport Flyers Association. Get complete coverage for $25.00 a year, and 
a lot more.

The Sport Flyers Association was created by modelers for modelers to provide 
the best insurance coverage for model flying at the lowest possible cost. No 
politics, elections or hassles. Our goal is to save our members money, build 
and support flying clubs, and make model flying fun again!

     *$1,000,000 Liability Coverage
     *Member to Member
     *Over $70 Million in, liquid assets plus an "A" rating from the A.M. Best
      Co. backs our insurance coverage
     *Just $25.00 per year for full Adult Membership
     *Just $15 per year for Non-Powered Free Flight and Youth Membership


Everyone benefits from safe model flying, and we believe in rewarding our 
members for flying safely. Members earn points for safe flying, continued 
membership, and completing an annual safety check. Additional points can be 
earned for recruiting new members to SFA and the Zero Claims safety program.

All SFA members can use their Zero Claims points for:
     *cash rebates
     *Product purchase discounts
     *Travel awards

The top 5% of Sport Flyers members with the best safety and recruiting records 
can earn free hobby and RC products, travel awards, air show trips, and much 
more.


Clubs:

Our goal is to build your flying site, not ours. The Sport Flyers Flying Club 
Program is designed to generate money and members for your club. We've created 
a Flying Site Development Fund to build your flying sites, and sponsor events 
to build your club treasury.

Being a member of the Sport Flyers Association allows you to maintain 
affiliation with any other association or modeling organization. Now you can 
provide the best available coverage at the lowest price to your members, and 
still participate in your traditional club events. Being a member club of the 
Sport Flyers Association means you'll receive more-not less, including:
     *Flying clubs and site owners insured FREE for the first year
     *Daily membership passes
     *National advertising to publicise your club events
     *Club money making programs
     *Certified Flight Instructor program



Other benefits:

Become a member of the Sport Flyers Association and save up to 70% on your full 
scale flying as well. Use our members-only 800 number for reservations and 
greater discounts on air show and hobby event travel.

Save enough on your first trip to pay for your SFA membership for the next five 
years! Even better, each time you fly we make a contribution to the Flying Site 
Development Fund.

For more information, contact:

Sport Flyers Association
4145 Travis Suite 202
Dallas, Texas 75204
214/522-3301





Sport Flyers Association
Questions and Answers

October 30, 1991

Question: Who's behind this new organization?

Answer: A group of insurance industry professionals who are also model fliers. 
They are using their years of experience in the insurance industry and model 
flying to offer an insurance product that meets the needs of model fliers at a 
reasonable cost. Participants also include a number of business leaders who 
believe model flying, educational hobbies, and flying sites like your own are 
essential to the future of the communities we live in.

Question: Is SFA insurance as good as what we're getting through our membership 
in other organizations?

Answer: SFA's liability insurance is equal or better. The SFA has greater 
financial resources backing the insurance coverage it provides to flying clubs, 
site owners, and its members. SFA's insurance coverage is underwritten by an 
insurance company (not self-insured), and coverage is backed by over $70 
million in liquid assets--not real estate or letters of credit.

Question: Who provides SFA's insurance coverage?

Answer: The SFA policy is underwritten by Gainsco Inc., an American Stock 
Exchange listed insurance company which carries an "A/Excellent" rating from 
the A.M.Best Company, the industry's leading rating agency. Gainsco has 
maintained one of the highest profitability and growwth ratios in the insurance 
industry during the last five years. Gainsco also knows what modelers want. In 
fact, Gainsco's Chairman, Joe Macchia, has been an RC modeler for years and is 
a member of SFA.

Question: Does the SFA provide member-to-member coverage?

Answer: Yes. Instead of trying to wiggle out of member-to-member coverage using 
waivers and disclaimers, we set terms that everyone can live with. The SFA 
liability coverage applies to member-to-member claims for injuries incurred to 
members that either are not directly involved in the operation of the offending 
aircraft, or when members are injured as spectators.

Question: Why is membership in the SFA only $25?

Answer: The SFA doesn't waste money on politics, elections, bureaucracy, or 
other things most modelers and clubs don't benefit from. Instead, our primary 
goal is providing the best insurance coverage for model flying at the lowest 
possible cost. We keep our operating costs low to keep our membership fees the 
same way. Our Club Earnings Programs, The SFA Travel Program, the Zero Claim 
Awards program and other such programs are all self-sustaining entities that 
either generate money for your club's treasury, grow your membership, or help 
control insurance costs for the SFA. None of these programs create additional 
expense for the members of our insurance program. By doing this, the SFA is 
helping the hobby grow, protecting flying sites and clubs, and making it easier 
for more people to get involved in model flying.

Question: Is the idea behind this to "bury" groups that already exist?

Answer: Not at all. There is room in any industry for competition. Competitive 
pressure benefits the consumer by making businesses offer the best product 
possible. SFA's organizers felt a need was not being met, and designed a 
competitive product.

Question: What about sanctioned contests? Will we have to stop holding them if 
our club charters with SFA?

Answer: Certainly not. SFA doesn't write contest rules, but it does sanction 
events. Getting an SFA sanction for your event means it will be publicised in 
SFA ads in several magazines, placed on the SFA Calendar of Events, and can be 
insured by special insurance packages prepared especially for major events. For 
fun fly events, fly-ins, and conventions, SFA sanctioning is the way to go.

Question: Will I have to give up membership in other organizations to join 
SFA?

Answer: No. Since SFA doesn't hold competitions or publish contest rules, clubs 
that hold competitions may want to maintain membership in other sanctioning 
bodies as well as SFA. But if your Club only holds events with rules that you 
write, or events that aren't sanctioned with another national body, why pay 
more by having additional memberships?

Question: If our club charters with the SFA, does that mean that only SFA 
members can fly at our field?

Answer: Of course not! Your club can decide to accept membership in other 
organizations as adequate coverage to use your field--it's completely up to 
you. SFA insurance will still cover the club and the flying site owner (but not 
the non-member). We do expect that SFA clubs will require SOME proof of 
insurance for each person they permit to use the flying field--permitting 
uninsured fliers could jeopardise club coverage. SFA has a daily membership 
program for qualifying clubs which allows newcomers and non-members to join for 
the day...and the club gets a share of the fee!

Question: Why is non-powered Free Flight and Rocketry coverage only $15?

Answer: Those types of models have shown to produce fewer insurance claims. SFA 
coverage is linked to the level of risk and number of claims for same.

Question: Why isn't Control Line flying covered?

Answer: Control Line flying has a history of generating more claims. To hold 
down costs for everyone else, it was necessary to exclude Control Line. In the 
future, CL coverage may be offered for an additional fee, commensurate with the 
proven risk.

Question: What exactly is the SFA coverage?

Answer: Insurance coverage provided through the SFA is backed by $70 million in 
liquid assets and an "A/Excellent" rated underwriter (not self-insurance). SFA 
and Site Owner coverage is up to $1,000,000 per occurrence. Member coverage is 
$500,000 for each occurrence involving bodily injury and/or property damage. 
There is $100,000 coverage for each occurrence involving all model activity 
other than that of RC or Free Flight aircraft and Rocketry. The overall limit 
of the policy is $1,000,000 for all claims occurring during the period of the 
membership which applies individually and collectively to all insureds and is 
provided only for accidents arising from the operation of models in accordance 
with the 1992 SFA Safety Code, your flying site safety rules, and the National 
Association of Rocketry Safety Codes. Coverage does not pay for the first $250 
of property damage claims or the first $1000 of member-to-member claims. 
Coverage does not apply to Control Line model aircraft. Where other insurance 
is applicable, coverage applies in excess of any other coverage on a claims 
made basis. Coverage pays for legal defense costs. Special event coverage must 
be obtained for events with 5,000 or more in attendance.


1385.2SFA membership formPOBOX::KAPLOWFree the DCU 88,000 11/12/91!Wed Nov 20 1991 13:26105
Online Membership Application
SPORT FLYERS ASSOCIATION
4145 Travis Suite 202
Dallas, TX 75204
214/522-0515
800/745-3597

INSTRUCTIONS: Print this file on an 80-column printer. Fill out the first page 
and mail it to the above address or FAX it to 214/522-0868. If you want 
confirmation by return FAX, please check the appropriate line below. For more 
information call the SFA office at either of the numbers above.


_____ Enclosed is $25.00 for one year Adult Membership in the SFA and the SFA 
Travel Club.
_____ Enclosed is $15.00 for one year Non-Powered Free Flight or Youth 
Membership (under 16) in the SFA and the SFA Travel Club. Date of birth for 
Youth Member: ____________

MEMBERSHIP AND INSURANCE EFFECTIVE UPON RECEIPT OF COMPLETED APPLICATION AND 
DUES BY SFA. ALL 1992 MEMBERSHIPS EXPIRE DECEMBER 31, 1992.

Name:________________________________________________________________________

Address: ____________________________________________________________________

City, State, Zip: ___________________________________________________________

Phone: _______________________________________

Check enclosed $_____________

Charge: VISA_________  Mastercard______________

Card number __ __ __ __ - __ __ __ __ - __ __ __ __ - __ __ __ __

Expiration date: ___/___

Do you want confirmation by return FAX ($1) ____  Fax number ________________


SAFETY CODE COMPLIANCE AND WAIVER STATEMENT: MUST BE SIGNED FOR ACCEPTANCE

I will comply with the 1992 SFA Safety Code and my Flying Site Safety Code for 
all model aircraft operations, and the NAR Safety Code(s) for all sport rocket 
operations including any changes or additions which may occur during my 
membership period. I understand that my failure to comply with the Codes will 
result in loss of liability coverage for any damages or claim. I understand 
that written notice must be provided immediately upon the occurrence of any 
incident of bodily injury and/or property damage. I also understand that no 
claim will be accepted sixty (60) days after the expiration of my membership. I 
indemnify the Sport Flyers Association, Incorporated trade membership 
organization for any personal injury, property damage or wrongful death which 
may occur.


_____________________________________________________________________________
Signature of Applicant or Parent or Guardian of Applicant under 16 years of age.


1992 SPORT FLYERS ASSOCIATION SAFETY CODE

1. I will not fly my model aircraft over spectators.
2. I will not fly my models in the presence of spectators until I have learned 
to fly safely.
3. I will not use metal propellers.
4. I will not buzz, tail or harass any aircraft, car, animal, or any object in 
the air or on the ground.
5. I wil test fly any new or repaired aircraft before flying in the presence of 
others.
6. I will abide by all safety rules established at any field where I fly and any

state or local regulations governing model flying. I will always obtain prior 
permission from property owners before flying. I will not fly my models in a 
careless, reckless or dangerous manner.
7. I will not use hazardous fuels nor fuels containing tetranitromethane or 
hydrazine.
8. I will not use any explosives in conjunction with model flying whether on the

model, in the air or on the ground. Rockets will be flown in accordance with 
the Safety Code(s) of the National Association of Rocketry. A fire extinguisher 
must be present when using pyrotechnic smoke candles. Authorization may be 
secured from the SFA for special events.
9. I will not power my models with turbojet engines.
10. I will not fly my model higher than 400 feet unless it is flown in 
uncontrolled airspace, or unless it is a sport rocket flown in accordance with 
the Safety Code(s) of the National Association of Rocketry.
11. I will not fly my model aircraft within three miles of any airport unless I 
have received permission from the FAA or I am flying at an authorized radio 
control flight field.
12. I will always perform a ground check of my model before flight.
13. The maximum permissible takeoff weight of models is 55 pounds.
14. I will use only those radio control frequencies currently allowed by the 
Federal Communications Commission.
15. I will extinguish any fuses on my Free Flight model upon completion of 
function.
16. I will only launch Free Flight models at least 100 feet downwind of 
spectators, cars, or anyone not directly involved in model flight.
17. I understand that SFA insurance does not cover activities relating to the 
flying of Control Line models.
18. I will retrieve any lost model with great caution considering all 
circumstances thoroughly before proceeding, and will never attempt to recover a 
model from a power line.

1385.3My club wasn't interested in jumping off the AMA ship yet...ZENDIA::REITHJim Reith DTN 226-6102 - LTN2-1/F02Wed Nov 20 1991 13:537
    Our treasurer made a pitch for these guys at last sunday night's
    meeting. The general concern was what it did to club sanctioning via
    the AMA if the club allowed it's members to choose one or the other.
    You need AMA to compete in AMA events so I wasn't interested in "both"
    
    They are offering a free year of club coverage once you get 4-5 members
    insured through them.
1385.4My .02 cents on the AMAUSRCV1::BLUMJThu Nov 21 1991 11:4316
    I must admit that the intent of AMA practices is often obscure.  For
    instance I really fail to see how the AMA's purchase of the two houses
    and land in Indiana benefits most of us.  It does strike me as a rather
    bureaucratic organization.  I think insurance coverage at the lowest
    cost should be a priority, rather than museums, land purchases, etc.
    I think a person should be allowed to fly in any sanctioned event
    provided they are covered by acceptable insurance and meet the other
    requirements(nboise limits, bandwidth requirements, etc).  Who actually
    writes the insurance should not matter.  Of course the AMA will put
    up barriers to any other organizations seeking to write insurance,
    because the bulk of their revenue is derived from flyers needing
    insurance coverage.  
    
                                                  Regards,
    
                                                  Jim
1385.5They aren't that bad!MR4DEC::ANKERAnker Berg-SonneThu Nov 21 1991 13:0410
        Re:                      <<< Note 1385.4 by USRCV1::BLUMJ >>>

        Jim,
        
                I'm one of the first people to engage in AMA bashing, but
        they do a  great  job on the insurance.  For the kind of coverage
        we are getting we are being given an incredible deal.  Noone else
        could give us anything that compares.
        
        Anker
1385.6Watching with interest.ELMAGO::TTOMBAUGHJanine T., come fly with me!Thu Nov 21 1991 13:0934
    It will be interesting to see how the SFA concept works out.
    Historically, amature sport/hobby sanctioning bodies have been
    notorious for wallowing in bureaucracy and alienating enough
    of their members or potential members, that they go off and
    form new organizations.
    
    Having been associated with various sport/hobby bodies over the years,
    (motorcycle, auto, bicycle, skiing, etc.), I can assure you that
    the AMA ranks rather far down the list when it comes to sheer
    bureaucratic bungling, incredible as that may seem, but they are as
    jealous as any when it comes to protecting their perceived turf.
    
    If the SFA can survive solely on the basis of an insurance
    administration function for its members it will be unique in the
    amature sport/hobby field. Without the focus of competition sanctioning
    there may be a tendency toward a high membership turnover.
    
    Of course the AMA sees this too, but most long time AMA members are
    or have been competition oriented.
    
    I agree that ideally SFA members should be able to enter AMA
    sanctioned contests.
    Based on past examples, this is likely to happen about the same time
    that the Earth spirals into the Sun.
    
    Whether or not the AMA should be buying land, building museums, etc.
    is a separate issue, but again, this sort of thing is common
    in amature sport/hobby organizations, even those whos yearly
    incomes are a fraction of the AMA, and I for one feel that model
    aviation deserves and is certainly worthy of historical preservation
    and a public display of "who we are and what we do".
    
    Terry
    
1385.7Safety CodesKAY::FISHERIf better is possible, good is not enough.Fri Nov 22 1991 10:10216
I have a problem with their safety code - I also have a problem
with the AMA's safety code - but for what it's worth here goes...

>SAFETY CODE COMPLIANCE AND WAIVER STATEMENT: MUST BE SIGNED FOR ACCEPTANCE
>
>I will comply with the 1992 SFA Safety Code and my Flying Site Safety Code for 

Probably should say I will not knowingly violate any safety codes.
For instance several of the safety code items are violated accidentally
all the time - that's what accidents are.  For instance "I will not fly over
spectators".  Well if you have to comply with that safety code item then
the insurance should be really cheap because obviously they don't cover
any spectators.  If you hit one you obviously violated the code so you
are not covered.  

>all model aircraft operations, and the NAR Safety Code(s) for all sport rocket 
>operations including any changes or additions which may occur during my 
>membership period. I understand that my failure to comply with the Codes will 

Come on - changes or additions should require another signature.
Would you want a mortgage at 6% fixed except it can be changed at will?

>result in loss of liability coverage for any damages or claim. I understand 
>that written notice must be provided immediately upon the occurrence of any 
>incident of bodily injury and/or property damage. I also understand that no 

Immediately indeed.  I guess a cellular phone is part of your membership fee.

>claim will be accepted sixty (60) days after the expiration of my membership. I 
>indemnify the Sport Flyers Association, Incorporated trade membership 
>organization for any personal injury, property damage or wrongful death which 
>may occur.

I have no idea what the last line means.

>1992 SPORT FLYERS ASSOCIATION SAFETY CODE
>
>1. I will not fly my model aircraft over spectators.

Not even a glider in a thermal - give me a break!

>2. I will not fly my models in the presence of spectators until I have learned 
>to fly safely.

Flying alone is not safe and your not a safe flyer yet and if you get a 
qualified instructor and some one shows up at the field your suppose to 
ask them to leave because your not fully trained.  This is not reality.

>3. I will not use metal propellers.

How come - because the new carbon impregnated glass ones are stronger?
This is an old rule that probably is not applicable any more.

>4. I will not buzz, tail or harass any aircraft, car, animal, or any object in 
>the air or on the ground.

Wait a minute here - does aircraft include model aircraft?  If so does that
mean the Gremlin flyers can't buzz, tail and harass each other?
What about circling with a hawk?  Isn't that tailing an animal?
What about this "any object" crap - this means it is against the rules
to chase balloons and combat streamers and bubbles and ...
What about this "on the ground" crap - this means it is against the rules
to attempt to hit the spot landing targets!

>5. I wil test fly any new or repaired aircraft before flying in the presence of 
>others.

Again - flying alone is itself a safety hazard.  Never fly alone - who will
take you and your finger to the hospital?

>6. I will abide by all safety rules established at any field where I fly and any
>state or local regulations governing model flying. I will always obtain prior 
>permission from property owners before flying. I will not fly my models in a 
>careless, reckless or dangerous manner.

Now if we let them weasel out of payment if they can find ANY state law that
you have violated (such as making noise between 9:00 and 12:00 on Sundays)
we are allowing them to remove coverage anytime they don't want to pay.
If "careless, reckless and dangerous" are applied not to human life but rather
to the life of the plane then I submit that it is our right to do so.  For
instance one could say that limbo contests are "careless, reckless and 
dangerous" to models.  

>7. I will not use hazardous fuels nor fuels containing tetranitromethane or 
>hydrazine.

There is some assumption here that we all know what tetranitromethane and
hydrazine are.  I certainly don't and if Red Max puts some in their fuel
I will use it - however unknowingly.

>8. I will not use any explosives in conjunction with model flying whether on the
>model, in the air or on the ground. ...

Well - OK - as long as you don't consider combustion a controlled explosion.

>9. I will not power my models with turbojet engines.

Only because I can't afford it and the technology has not advanced to the
state yet where it is affordable and safe.  But if you exclude the technology
how and when will it ever advance to that state.  It would be better here
if they were to say "without explicit permission".

>10. I will not fly my model higher than 400 feet unless it is flown in 
>uncontrolled airspace, or unless it is a sport rocket flown in accordance with 
>the Safety Code(s) of the National Association of Rocketry.

I guess they will also furnish free section maps and training with your 
membership along with that cellular phone.  I have no idea if I am in controlled
airspace during our lunch time flying an Acton?  Also I have no intention
of not following thermals above 400 feet.

>11. I will not fly my model aircraft within three miles of any airport unless I 
>have received permission from the FAA or I am flying at an authorized radio 
>control flight field.

Kinda harsh on the fellow who lives within 3 mines of an airport and
wants to fly his helo in his back yard.  Hey buddy - no test hand launches
allowed!

>12. I will always perform a ground check of my model before flight.

Kinda vague - we don't know what they mean by "ground check" ?  (yup - there
is ground here) and we don't know if they mean before EVERY flight?
This is an example of a rule that can certainly be accidentally violated.
Even if you know what they mean - there certainly is going to be
a number of times that you forget and accidentally fly - NON-INSURED!

>13. The maximum permissible takeoff weight of models is 55 pounds.

Now here is an example of a rule that one can both understand and control
and won't accidentally forget.  Only problem I have with this rule is I would
like to know what evidence they have that 56 pound models are more unsafe?

>14. I will use only those radio control frequencies currently allowed by the 
>Federal Communications Commission.

By itself this rule is OK - but you gotta admit in this day and age with
beepers between our channels this rule is kinda lame.  This still allows
one to use single conversion 455 KHz IF receivers and get shot down
by 22.5 channel mixing and random beepers.  It is the difference between
safe and legal.

>15. I will extinguish any fuses on my Free Flight model upon completion of 
>function.

Course if the function is "burn the fuse to the end" then this rule is easy.

>16. I will only launch Free Flight models at least 100 feet downwind of 
>spectators, cars, or anyone not directly involved in model flight.

A good idea that I don't believe is actually practiced or practical.  I have
only attended one free flight contest.  The wind was changing directions
constantly and you had a field that was not infinitely large.  So cars were
parked on one end.  To comply with this rule the cars would all have to
move every time the wind switched.  Here is a question though.  If you
plane hits a spectator on the head - isn't that spectator now DIRECTLY
involved in model flight?

>17. I understand that SFA insurance does not cover activities relating to the 
>flying of Control Line models.

OK, I understand that Dan Quail is the VP also.  So what.

>18. I will retrieve any lost model with great caution considering all 
>circumstances thoroughly before proceeding, and will never attempt to recover a 
>model from a power line.

R U serious.  "will never attempt to recover a model from a power line".
Never?  Attempt?  Can't even call the power company or the fire department.
Well perhaps you will never attempt to recover yours but I certainly will.
I have know idea how and I hope I have the presence of mind to take great
caution and consider all circumstances thoroughly before proceeding but
you can be darn sure I will recover my model.

================================================================================

Now don't get me wrong - I have similar problems with the AMA's safety rules
and last year I didn't sign my application so they rejected it until I
finally signed.  I think there could be a safety code that we could sign
something to the effect that we have read and understood the document
and will not knowingly violate any safety rules.  But it is pure hog wash
to say that if you violate any of these rules you are not insured.  That
is just a way of saying - thank you for your money - if you have an accident
I'm sure we can prove that you must have violated a safety rule and your
on your own.

================================================================================

Imagine if they had a similar set of rules for insurance for driving a car.

1.  I will never follow so close that I can not safely bring my car to a full
    and complete stop no mater what may happen to the car in front of me.

2.  I will never turn left or right unless there is absolutely no possibility
    that any other motor vehicle or bicycle or pedestrian or any living
    person or animal could possibly be harmed or frightened or disturbed
    by my actions.  

3.  I will never cross the center lane without first checking...

4.  I will never enter traffic without...

If I don't follow any of the above auto safety rules (even new ones since
the date I sign this) I will not be insured.

Pretty dumb huh!
================================================================================

Well that's my 2 cents worth.  I don't have access to the model net that
this came from but if anybody else does - please post my reply so Doug Platt
can see it.  

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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1385.8Spare Me.RUNWAY::MORINFri Nov 22 1991 17:0513
    I have been flying R.C since 1976 and i have yet to see AMA pay
    anyone i know a penny.As we just read in 1385.7 You can make anyone,s
    charter in valid.I have payed my dues all those years and seen many
    accidents.For the sport flyer AMA is a rip off.Its just a click
    for the big boys with the big bucks.Buying that land in the midwest
    turns my stomach.I met the district one president,that made me want
    to give up the hobby all together.But like every year ill send them
    a check . But i hope this year they understand there are alot of
    sport flyers that are getting sick of paying the freight.
    
    
    Paul