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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

840.0. "Sig Kougar building hints" by TARKIN::HARTWELL (Dave Hartwell) Mon Jan 16 1989 16:57

    We have seen a note dedicated to Super Sporters, how about one on
    the Sig Kougar. I'm currently building one and would definitly like
    some do's, dont's, misc advice ect. I'm powering the plane with
    an OS SF .46 which at full throttle should make it move. 
    
    Anyone got any hints on what to use on the plastic turtle deck.
    I tried to cover it with monocote, but it bubbled easily. Paints
    the way to go I guess.
    
    Also any hints on attaching and blending in the back of the turtle
    deck to the verticle stab?
    
    Lastly on CG balancing, I had the engine in it yesterday and thought
    that I would check out the CG for the heck of it. They recomend
    that you balance it from the leading edge of the wingtips. What
    I noticed (using my fingers) is that depending how you picked up
    the plane, or whether you tipped the plane either slightly forward
    or rearward, it allways seemed heavy in that direction. This leaves
    me confused on proper balancing. Any hints here?
    
    
    						Dave
    
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840.1"WELL"TARKIN::HARTWELLDave HartwellWed Jan 18 1989 09:346
    This is a hot session!!!, Ok guys, next time I'll build a super
    sportster!
    
    
    					Dave
    
840.2I like Kougars...TONTO::SCHRADERBuddy can you Paradigm?Wed Jan 18 1989 10:0028
< RE: Note 840.0 by TARKIN::HARTWELL "Dave Hartwell" >

    I've built two Kougars so I guess i'm qualified to answer this
    (I got a third one this christmas, still in the box).

    Paint is DEFINITELY the way to go. I monocoated my first one but you're
    right, the turtle deck is a real pain. The only thing that you can do
    if you're going that route is to pop the bubbles with a straight pin
    as they occur and iron them down. I did fiberglass & paint on my last
    one and it came out VERY nice.

    About the only thing that you can do about the turtle deck & vertical
    stab is to keep filling and sanding til it looks right, I don't have
    an easy out there.

    It sounds like your balance problem isn't really a problem. Since the
    Kougar is low wing and doesn't have a bunch of dihedral, the CG is
    ABOVE the wing. When you tip it forward the CG rotates to the front and
    when you tip it backward the CG rotates to the rear, causing the "wierd
    balance problem" that you're seeing. The way around this is to balance
    it with the plane inverted (wheels up). I used a FOX .45 for power and
    wound up adding two or three ounces of lead to the tail. Since the FOX
    is rather heavy, your OS might come out just about right. 

                     !
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840.3SPMFG1::TENEROWICZTWed Jan 18 1989 10:1042
    Dave,  I've built two Kougars in my modeling career. 
    
    A couple of suggestions.
    
    
    1) Balance the plane for CG at the leading edge of the wing tip.
    Don't go by the plans.
    
    2) Change the rudder position. Move it back and make a new rudder
    that extends all the way down to the bottom of the fuse. 
    
    3) Item #2 will require that you go with a split elevator.
    
    4) Use a "Y" pushrod for the elevator.
    
    5) When you join the wing set it up so that the top of the wing
    is flat. you will be reducing the dihedral but what called for
    isn't necessary.
    
    6) Mount the engine upright or side mounted. the 45 degree
    mounting usually pushed the oil right onto the wing.
    
    7) Run a Rossi 40-45,Pico 45,Supertiger 45 ABC,
    	In other words cram the most HP you can into the ship.
    
    8) Use Epoxy to glue the wing skins to the foam.
    
    9) Build it STRAIGHT.
    
    10)Use a different mount that what is supplied in the kit.
    
    
    That's enough for now.
    
    
    Tom
    
    P.S. I think SS planes are over priced. A Balsa USA Smoothie flies
    as well but for 1/2 the cost.
    
    
    
840.4Balancing TipLEDS::WATTThu Jan 19 1989 08:0811
    I balance all of my low wing planes inverted to get the cg below
    the support point.  I put a small level on top (a little plastic
    one) right near the correct cg and adjust until the fuse is level.
    I made a little balancer that has 1/4 inch dowels with v shaped
    pencil erasers on the top sticking out of a board.  I set the plane
    on this upside down to balance.  This is more accurate than using
    your fingers.  It's also easier if you don't have help.  I try to
    do this before determining the location of servos, battery, receiver.
    
    Charlie